1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: Baby, you were listening to Petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,399 Speaker 2: And welcome, welcome, welcome to this glorious Sunday morning, at 3 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,239 least glorious here in Los Angeles, California. And I don't 4 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,479 know what it's like for the rest of the East, 5 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,759 but I heard the weather might beginning a little bit better. 6 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:38,039 And I am your host here on pet Life Radio's 7 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:39,920 Ask the Bets with Doctor Jeff and I am doctor 8 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,359 Jeff Warber here for the next thirty minutes just to 9 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:44,880 talk about pets, to have a good time, give you 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,119 lots of information, free information, and not only free information, 11 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:51,200 but for anyone who sends me an email, I'm gonna 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,920 go through a couple of I've gotten this week, or 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,840 calls in live eight seven seven three eight five eight 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,159 eight eight two, or joined in on the conversation here 15 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:02,880 at lifradio dot com, or sends me a quick email 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,599 to Drjeff at petlifradio dot com. 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So 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,480 last week, well, we answered an email from JB and 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:43,120 his question was the issues introducing a new puppy into 29 00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:45,840 a house with a resident dog. And I was about 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,519 to answer the question, and I left everybody with the 31 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,200 opportunity to kind of get a hold of me, send 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,400 me a text, and to find out to answer see 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,719 if what they think. 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,879 Speaker 3: Is the right approach is going to work. 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: And interestingly, the more and more pet parents I talk 36 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:05,040 to when I mean not only parents of pets, but 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,199 I mean parents as well going through the same thought 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,560 process when they're going to introduce a new baby into 39 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,479 the household with a resident pet, especially when it comes 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,919 to a resident dog. And the question is how do 41 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,599 we do it? And my premise is just based on experience, 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,599 that most of you are going to do it wrong. 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,479 And I was hoping hoping that someone would say, no, 44 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:28,719 this is the way you're supposed to do it. And 45 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,240 I got a couple of responses and they were all wrong. 46 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,719 So here's what typically is going to happen when we 47 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,080 have this introduction. We know we're interested in getting a 48 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:42,439 puppy or a new baby's coming home. It's rarely a surprise, right, 49 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:46,639 and we know there's a resident dog. How do we 50 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,919 make it happen smoothly? So here's what typically happens. Of course, 51 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:55,000 the new baby, the new puppy is so exciting and 52 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:57,680 when it comes over, when it comes home for the 53 00:02:57,719 --> 00:02:59,879 first time, we want to shower it with a ten 54 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:04,120 shower this puppy, shower this baby with affection and much 55 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:06,800 to the dismay, of course of the resident dog. It's like, hey, 56 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,599 what happened to me one of my top liver here? 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,199 And so what do we do? Typically what we do 58 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:14,960 is when the puppy is asleep, and certainly, as we know, 59 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,719 puppies are going to sleep, god up to twelve to 60 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:20,599 eighteen hours a day, new baby goes down for their 61 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:21,759 nap and then goes to sleep. 62 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,719 Speaker 3: So what do we do, Well, here's what we do. 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,319 Speaker 2: We feel so guilty about our resident dog that when 64 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,039 our puppies asleep, when the baby's asleep, when the new 65 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:34,800 boyfriend or girlfriend is not there, and what do we do. 66 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:39,520 We just pour on the affection to our resident dog. Okay, buddy, 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,840 we still love you. You'll always be our number one. 68 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:44,599 But meanwhile, think about it for a second. What have 69 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:48,439 you just taught your resident dog. You just taught your 70 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:53,280 resident dog that life is better without this new puppy, 71 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,439 without the new baby, without the new boyfriend or girlfriend. 72 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:59,919 So what are you, in essence doing. You are reinforcing 73 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,240 that life is better when this new entity is not there, 74 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:10,520 and this builds up resentment when this new entity is there. 75 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:13,199 And when it comes to a boyfriend girlfriend, well you 76 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:14,919 can maybe have some more options, but when it comes 77 00:04:14,919 --> 00:04:17,639 to a new puppy or a new baby, you can't 78 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,120 have that. So well most of us naturally instinctively want 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,800 to do. Is not going to work. So here's what 80 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:28,519 we need to do. As I said, it's rarely a 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,480 surprise when I read these stories. You hear these stories 82 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:34,199 you read the throwaway magazines about someone didn't know they 83 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,079 were pregnant and all of a sudden, right the baby 84 00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:39,920 pops out. That's not the way it works in ninety 85 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:42,319 nine point nine percent of the cases, unless this person 86 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:46,000 is extremely obese and not taking attention to most of 87 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,920 their lives. So most women carrying children are well aware 88 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,160 that they are and there's a due date, and there's 89 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:59,800 preparations and we know it. Okay, likewise, usually I usually 90 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,040 for again, someone coming over to your house one day 91 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,720 knocking on the door and say, okay, here's your new puppy. 92 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:06,439 Speaker 3: What new puppy? What what do you mean? 93 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: So we know that it needs to be something that 94 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:12,079 is thought out, something that is well planned, and there's 95 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,519 going to be a date, a pickup date, and you 96 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,120 know it's going to be coming. You know, the day 97 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,399 you've decided yes you're going to go to that shelter. 98 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,439 You know when you're gonna call that rescue group. So 99 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,800 these are all knowns, so it's rarely a surprise. 100 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,199 Speaker 3: So what we want to do is the following. 101 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: It is all part of the preparation and here's how 102 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,160 it goes very easy. So and this is you know, 103 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:36,279 I hope JB you're paying attention. This is how it 104 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,120 works that before the new entity comes, whether it's the baby, 105 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,160 whether it's a new puppy, whatever the case may be, 106 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,560 your chances are going to have purchased something that is 107 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,800 going to be associated with this, with this new baby 108 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:51,439 or the puppy, whether it's going to be pajamas or 109 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:53,680 a blanket that you're gonna the baby's gonna be wrapped 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,879 in when she comes here, she comes home from the hospital, 111 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,199 whether it's going to be a leash or a collar 112 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:00,759 or a toy that's going to go to the new puppy. 113 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,519 So what you want to do, since you are prepared, 114 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:08,120 you're very responsible pet parents, very responsible kid parents. So 115 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,920 you're gonna have something in advance. And the key is 116 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:14,759 this about a week or so before the arrival. As 117 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:16,399 I said, be it a child, be it a baby, 118 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:18,160 I mean, be it a puppy or a kitten. 119 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,079 Speaker 3: You are going to start. 120 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:24,079 Speaker 2: With drawing, with holding some of your attention to your 121 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,439 resident dog. And part of that withdrawal is going to 122 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,399 be not giving him or her her favorite treat. I'm 123 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:35,360 not saying be mean, I'm not saying to ignore. I'm 124 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:38,000 just saying hold back a little bit, and hold back 125 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,319 especially their favorite treat. They could still get some other 126 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,720 other treats, but not their favorite. And what you do 127 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:46,800 is you bring over to the puppy that collar, of 128 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,920 that leash, that true toy, whatever was going to be 129 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:53,040 given for the new puppy. You let the if it's obviously, 130 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:54,759 if it's a baby, it's gonna be the pajamas. It's 131 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:57,759 going to be a blanket, right, and you're gonna bring 132 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,560 it over to the resident dog, let them sniff, which 133 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:05,319 naturally they will, and just go bonkers with affection. Oh 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,120 my god, you're such a good boy. You're such a 135 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,199 good girl, and give that favorite treat. And you're going 136 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:13,199 to do this a few times a day for that 137 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,920 last week before the arrival. So basically, now what's going 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,040 to happen is your rook is going to associate that 139 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,399 smell whatever it is, with the treat, and they're going 140 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:25,199 to get this affection. They're going to get this attention, 141 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,319 and they're going to get their favorite treat and they're 142 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,920 going to start to like it. Then fast forward the day, 143 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,279 the evening whatever, the puppy comes home, the new baby 144 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:36,160 comes home, and you're carrying that new baby, and immediately 145 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,600 you're not going to show. 146 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:38,959 Speaker 3: The resident dog away. 147 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,439 Speaker 2: You're going to ask the resident dog to come over 148 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:43,720 and take a sniff. Of course, the baby is on 149 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,000 your arms, the puppies and your arms well protected, and 150 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,639 you're going to shower your resident dog with affection, give 151 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,439 that favorite treat again, and basically for the next several days, 152 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,720 several weeks, when the baby is out and around, when 153 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:59,800 the puppy is out and about, that's when you pay 154 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:04,120 a lot of attention to the resident dog. And here's 155 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,040 the clincher. When the baby is taking its nap or asleep, 156 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,120 when the puppy is in its crate or confined to 157 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,800 its pen taking its nap, you are going to go 158 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:19,240 back to that kind of ignoring the resident dog. You 159 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:22,680 are not going to make life better for them. In 160 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:26,040 the absence of that baby or that puppy or that 161 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:28,720 new kitten, you are going to kind of ignore them again. 162 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,680 And when are they going to get their major attention. 163 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,120 When are they going to get that fantastic their favorite 164 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:39,879 treat only in the presence of the new puppy, only 165 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,360 in the presence of that new baby, in the presence 166 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:44,440 of that new kitten. So what's going to happen is 167 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:47,960 they are going to start looking forward to having the 168 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,720 baby around. They are going to look forward to that 169 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,440 puppy or kitten because they know that their affection is 170 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,519 going to come when the puppy or the baby around. 171 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,720 And the truth matter is, guys, don't kid yourself. This baby, 172 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:02,559 this new puppy is not gonna remember any of this, 173 00:09:02,879 --> 00:09:07,559 but the resident dog absolutely will. So it's okay to, 174 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,240 you know, have one of you, if it's a couple, 175 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:12,320 hold the baby while the other one is a showering 176 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:15,399 affection to the resident dog or the new puppy, whatever 177 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,919 the case may be. Is you are going to have 178 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,159 one parent working with the puppy or the baby or 179 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,399 the kitten or whatever it is, and the other one 180 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,919 working with the resident dog. 181 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:26,759 Speaker 3: Now here's another thing. 182 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: If the new entity is in fact a person like 183 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:34,159 a new spouse, a new boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, and again 184 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,080 there potentially could be this feeling of being displaced. So 185 00:09:38,159 --> 00:09:40,720 what you want to do there is likewise, what you 186 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,720 want to do there is have the new person be 187 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:45,919 the one to give the hugs and kisses and to 188 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,440 deliver that treat. 189 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 3: So now the association will be God. 190 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: I like that new person around because I have not 191 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:55,799 gotten my hot dog or my favorite treat in three weeks, 192 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:57,360 and all of a sudden, this new person comes in 193 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:00,279 the house and I'm just getting all my hot dogs. Well, 194 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,519 you have to think outside the box, think of not 195 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:06,320 what you think will be better for the resident dog, 196 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,039 meaning now that the house is quiet, now everybody's asleep. 197 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,320 Right now I get to play with my resident dog. 198 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:12,279 Speaker 3: No no, no, no no. 199 00:10:12,279 --> 00:10:15,919 Speaker 2: Now you start kind of ignoring the resident dog as well, 200 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,039 and wait till the new entity, whether it's a puppy, 201 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,320 a kitten, the dog, a new person, is there. 202 00:10:21,639 --> 00:10:23,519 Speaker 3: So JB. I hope that answers your question. 203 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,399 Speaker 2: I hope you understand the logic behind this, because it's 204 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:32,039 sort of anti intuitive. It's counterintuitive to think that you 205 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:34,960 really want to pay more attention when this new person 206 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,759 or a new baby or a new puppy you're kittting around. 207 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,440 But that's the way it needs to be. That's how 208 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,120 you're going to minimize the resentment. That's how you're going 209 00:10:42,159 --> 00:10:46,200 to build the environment where, if anything, that resident dog 210 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,399 is going to be overly protective with the new puppy, 211 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,559 overly protective of the new baby. And I have that 212 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:54,799 in my household because I have a granddaughter who comes 213 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,679 over and boy, one of my friendies, he is so 214 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,399 protective over this kid it's unbelieve And when even when 215 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,759 one of the some of the other dogs somewhere out 216 00:11:02,799 --> 00:11:05,080 to play, he gets in the way and starts snarling 217 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,399 at them. 218 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: It's like, ah, she's mine, she's my baby, and that's 219 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:09,440 what you want. 220 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: You want to have this environment where they'd become very, 221 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,919 very protective. So anyway, that was easy for JP, right, 222 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,039 you know JP did. JP sent me an email to 223 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:20,919 Dr Jeff, Doctor Jeff at Petlife radio dot com. 224 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:21,799 Speaker 3: And here we do. 225 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,879 Speaker 2: We get an answer, and we're gonna send JP out 226 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:25,360 a pro sense product and. 227 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 3: A really cool Kong toy. 228 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: Now we first of all, before we go to the 229 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,039 other email from I think it's Devanni or Devaney. 230 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:33,039 Speaker 3: A couple of weeks. 231 00:11:32,879 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: Ago we were talking about we were finishing up the 232 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,279 eyes and one of the last stupists we talked about 233 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:40,679 was a cherry I and how disappointed and upset I 234 00:11:40,919 --> 00:11:45,320 was in many veterinarians that to this day are still 235 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:49,000 performing the wrong operation on the cherry I. Now, once again, 236 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,759 for those of you that weren't paying attention, or those 237 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,919 that were asleep, or those of you that just weren't 238 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,080 online with us, Cherry I is it's a late term 239 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,159 for a prolapsed gland of the third eyeland. Anatomically, dogs 240 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,200 cats too, but this is more of a dog problem 241 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,159 has a third eelid. It's a little flap that starts 242 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:09,759 on the inside corner and when they blink, it actually 243 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:12,799 comes across the eye from the inside to the outside. 244 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,399 And it's actually sort of an extra protective mechanism from 245 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:18,840 things getting caught in eyes, which is very important because 246 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,720 dogs that are typically working dogs or hunters will often 247 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:24,639 go through brush and they would need some extra protection 248 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,679 because just blinking in of itself may not protect the 249 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:30,879 cornea well enough. Well anyway, on the inside of this 250 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,159 third eyelid, there is a membrane and there's a gland 251 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,720 called the gland of the third eyelid, appropriately named, and 252 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,000 it is a very lymphoid type of tissue and it 253 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,120 will actually sort of on occasion, and it typically happens 254 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:48,759 in more likely than not in the cocker spaniel, the 255 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:51,919 English bulldog, the loss ops or the sheetsu that it 256 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,759 gets so large it actually prolapses, It everts, and you 257 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,720 see this bright red thing right on the inside corner 258 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:04,360 the eye. Thus the name cherrye and old fashioned back. 259 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:07,039 Even when I graduated Veterinari school, the treatment of choice 260 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,639 was to simply remove the gland, and that was very 261 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:10,360 simple surgery. 262 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 3: And these dogs did very well. 263 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: However, what we've learned over the years that many years later, 264 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:19,720 it could be six, seven, eight, nine, ten, twelve years later, 265 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,799 these dogs will present was something called KCS karado conjunctivitis sicca, 266 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,240 and the late term for that is dry eye. And 267 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:30,799 we're I wonder why these dogs getting dry eye? And 268 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,840 we realized that that third eyelid, the gland of the 269 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:39,080 third eyelid, had another function, a function that wasn't necessary 270 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:43,480 as a younger dog, but becomes essential later on in life, 271 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,480 and that is accessory tear production. So what happened is 272 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,080 if you took that gland out when they were a 273 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,159 puppy and then they need the accessory tears produced by that. 274 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:56,039 Speaker 3: Gland, guess what, there are none. 275 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,879 Speaker 2: And that's how these dogs get KCS karato conjunctividis cicca. 276 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,679 So the new techniques also, once you do them enough, 277 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:06,600 they're relatively simple. It's certainly more complicated just lopping off 278 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,600 that land, but certainly can be done, and most general 279 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,360 practicians can do it. If you're nervous anxious about it, 280 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,919 you can send a case to a board certified venerari aphthalmologist. 281 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:17,360 But something that becomes for those of us to do 282 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:19,840 it or see a lot of puppies fairly routine. And 283 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,039 I had heard stories that there are some. Yeah, once 284 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:26,240 it happened on an emergency facility where a dog came 285 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,840 in on an emergency. By the way, folks, this is 286 00:14:27,879 --> 00:14:31,399 not an emergency. If it happens, don't panic call your vet. 287 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,360 If they're closed, just wait till morning. No need to 288 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,320 run to an emergency center. It is not an emergency surgery. 289 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:39,879 There are dogs that can live like this with a 290 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:42,519 cherry eye for the rest of their lives. It looks 291 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:46,559 unsightly and there's some tricks needed to learn about keeping it. 292 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,840 But I knew a guy that he came in with 293 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:50,720 a dog was like nine years old. This said, I'm like, god, 294 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,440 it's so rare to see this as nine year old dog. 295 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,679 When did it happen? He goes, oh, about nine years ago. 296 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:58,120 I said, nine years ago. And you never fixed it? 297 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,960 He goes, well, I asked my doc. My doc said 298 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,480 it was no needs to fix. It was just aesthetic. 299 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:03,240 It didn't bother me. It didn't seem like it bothered 300 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,679 the dog. So there you go. You don't have to 301 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:07,720 fix them as long as they can keep it moist 302 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:09,840 so it doesn't dry out. Depending on the size and 303 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:12,440 how good the regular tears are, oftentimes you don't need 304 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,600 to do anything other than you live with it. But 305 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,480 this emergency center not only did surgery, but the doctor 306 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:21,519 who turned out to be a foreign graduate removed the gland. 307 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: Clearly, I was very upset. 308 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,799 Speaker 2: Not only did they do the surgery, which it was 309 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,279 not the type of surgery to be doing on an 310 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,480 emergency at an emergency clinic. 311 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:31,679 Speaker 3: But they did the wrong surgery. So I put it 312 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,240 out there and I wanted to know if anybody has 313 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:35,200 had this experience. 314 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:38,039 Speaker 2: And I got an email back from Julie from Rochester, 315 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,360 New York, who states, sadly English bulldog and it was a 316 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:44,000 puppy who was six seven months old, had cherry eye, 317 00:15:44,159 --> 00:15:48,080 not uncommon for English bulldogs, and the doctor removed the gland. 318 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:51,159 So Julie, I am, well, first of all, I'll still 319 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:53,360 a little bit shocked. Whatever I hear stories like this, 320 00:15:53,399 --> 00:15:55,000 I always like to know how old is this doc, 321 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,120 where did this dock graduate from? Because it is something 322 00:15:58,159 --> 00:16:01,799 that is so well known at this time that we 323 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,440 no longer do that. Anyway, if you're listening and you 324 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,879 want to get me the information just out of curiosity, 325 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:08,480 I'd like to know. 326 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not certainly. 327 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: I'm the kind of guy i'd call that doctor and say, hey, 328 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,799 what are you doing. We don't do that anymore, So 329 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:17,240 don't worry. Your bull dogs had to be fine for 330 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:20,799 a long time, maybe even forever, but just know that 331 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,159 possibly as he ages, he might start getting some dry Anyway, 332 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,679 we got to take our break here. It's that part 333 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,440 of the show, so don't go away. We'll be back 334 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,399 into a few minutes. 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But it's either 414 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:08,680 Davany or Devanni. And she writes that she has two 415 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,079 Boston Terrier pug puppies and they have I'm going to 416 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,519 read it out loud. It says we can't get our 417 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:18,799 Boston Terrier pug mixes to have hard stool. The one 418 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:20,960 dog is worse than the other. The stomach seems to 419 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,559 be always bothering him. I don't want to pay my 420 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,200 vet for expensive testing. 421 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: Help. 422 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,599 Speaker 2: We have pumpkin rice, yogurt, change their food, and she 423 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,119 even writes wean them off of the old stuff and 424 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,480 onto the new, and yet they're still having problems. So 425 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,240 interesting LYE Dvany, I'll stick with Devany until I know better. 426 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,160 First Off, from the diet perspective, it sounds like you're 427 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,480 doing things right. So a couple of things that I 428 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:47,839 would like to add to this, and that is, when 429 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,000 we have a chronic problem like this, and especially with siblings, 430 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,720 there are a couple of parasites that need to be 431 00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:57,400 ruled in, ruled out. And in your note nothing was 432 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,880 mentioned about thorough fecal testing specifically looking for some of 433 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,680 the flagelets like giardia, and you also there's a test 434 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,079 that I'd recommend. I don't necessarily recommend it on our 435 00:22:08,079 --> 00:22:10,680 first time fecal exam, but since this has been going 436 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,720 a chronic problem and you've done many things right, I 437 00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:17,079 would want to do a analyza test looking for the 438 00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:21,480 antigen itself for the giardia. We need to come up 439 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,599 with a diagnosis. Why because the diet, all the things 440 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,160 you're doing are perfect. But if we have behind all 441 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,200 of this a parasite that needs to be addressed, we're 442 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:31,920 not going to get. 443 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 3: Better without treating the parasite. 444 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:37,559 Speaker 2: And in many parts of the country, giardia has almost 445 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,480 become an endemic problem. It's everywhere and it's very hard 446 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,359 to find. We look for GRD. 447 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,759 Speaker 3: Assists in the stool and sometimes. 448 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:49,279 Speaker 2: So difficult to find that. Though for basic fecal analyses 449 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:51,720 we do them in house, when it comes to a 450 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,559 chronic problem, one that seems not to be responding, I 451 00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:57,440 like to send it off to the lab, have the 452 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,799 clinical pathologists look at the smears themselves, and also do 453 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,319 the GRIDA testing, which I think is an antigen testing, 454 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,359 which will give us more information. And if that's the problem, well, 455 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,240 by all means we need to treat that problem now 456 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:13,480 as far as diet and things like that. I mean, 457 00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:17,799 if we think that the stool is softish, just to 458 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:20,160 give you a visual, and it might grow some of 459 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,559 you out. But you know what, when we're doing veteran medicines, 460 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:25,240 we kind of have to gross ourselves out sometimes. Kind 461 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,640 of that soft serve consistency. We call it a cow patty, 462 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,480 like where it's got a mush. 463 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: It holds its shape. Not pretty, but it's more like 464 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,240 a PLoP. 465 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: And if we have that, I usually am thinking, oh, 466 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,519 in addition to that, having a dog that is happy, 467 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,279 a dog that is eating, a dog that is still playful. 468 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,720 With all those criteria met, most likely we're dealing with 469 00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:56,440 a large bowel inflammation. And as such, as such, we 470 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,599 don't like to use rice. Maybe you can use long 471 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:04,960 grain brown rice, but certainly not white rice. White rice 472 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,680 is too binding. And when we try to bind like that, 473 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,640 we might be irritating the colon. And clearly the colon's 474 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,519 not ready to be working properly, because if it were, 475 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,440 we wouldn't be having this tool of his consistency you 476 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,640 wouldn't be seeing any mucus. It would be holding its 477 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,599 form better. It would be better shake. So I love 478 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,759 the pumpkin idea, I love the yams, cooked oatmeal. You 479 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,319 can do something. These are all we call soluble fibers. 480 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:32,839 We also want to possibly some insoluble fibers. These are 481 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,000 the fibers that aren't digestible, things like cilium and the 482 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:39,839 active ingredient for example, of correctol or fibril or metamusil. 483 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:43,599 So sometimes we actually need to do both, and if 484 00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:48,039 that still doesn't work, the next step is to actually 485 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,000 have a biopsy done, kind of like a colonoscopy. Either 486 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,200 your general practitioner if they are so inclined, otherwise it'll 487 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,880 be sent to an internal medicine specialist. They will go 488 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,720 up the colon with the skin hope actually look look 489 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:05,319 at the folds, look at the lining, inspect the colon, 490 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,039 and then take some samples and have the samples evaluated. 491 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,680 This could be some sort of an infiltrative disease, something 492 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:18,680 called oh. It could be a colitis, a lymphocytic plasmacidic enteritis. 493 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:24,519 It could be an eosinophilic enteritis or colitis, and these 494 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:28,759 often need special treatments or special even more specialized diets 495 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:32,599 to treat, sometimes even corticosteroids, and sometimes in addition to 496 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,359 metronitasol as an anticholon medication, we might put them on 497 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,799 a sulfur drug called selfhazalazine or a zulphidine. 498 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: So there are other. 499 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: Potential treatments that need to be employed. From what you've 500 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,720 done already, the diet, the fiber, that's fantastic, but what 501 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:53,160 concerns me is the fact that it hasn't worked as 502 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,359 well as we would like. So therefore we need to 503 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,799 take it to the next level. And that next level, 504 00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:01,599 as I mentioned, is going to be medication, a very 505 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,160 detailed fecal exam, including a giord a test, an anigen test, 506 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,200 and possibly after that, if that still doesn't pan out, 507 00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,960 then we're looking at biopsy and treating accordingly with whatever 508 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:16,319 specialized medication we can. So we'd love to hear back 509 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,759 from you. Let me know if you've tried these things already. 510 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,119 If you have, let us know, we'll talk some more 511 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,039 about it. And if you haven't, talk to your veterinarian. 512 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,240 These are some of the natural things that should be 513 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,400 next on your list of things to try. And then 514 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,400 try them and of course get back towards let us 515 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,960 know what has worked and what hasn't worked. So I 516 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,240 want to once again to thank JB for asking us 517 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,359 about how to introduce his new puppy into a household 518 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,480 with resident dog, Devaney for talking about her pug Boston 519 00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:47,039 Terrier crosses, and we wish you luck handling that. Please 520 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,599 stay in touch with let's let us know. And finally, Julie, 521 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,039 so sorry about the cherry. I just crossing our fingers 522 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,920 for you with you that it doesn't become a problem 523 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,440 later on. But just know, even if it's a problem, 524 00:26:58,599 --> 00:26:59,000 it's not. 525 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:00,319 Speaker 3: A terrible problem. 526 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:04,039 Speaker 2: There are some easy solutions, some eye drops, something to 527 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,400 increase the tear production of the remaining glands that might 528 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,680 get tired out, and just smartificial tears. It's not that 529 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,480 big a deal. But in the future, for everybody out there, 530 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,000 do not let a veterinarian take out the gland of 531 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,759 the third eyelid unless it's a last resort, and only 532 00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:25,359 after you've visited with a board sort of fight veterani 533 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,799 aphthalmologist to give the green light if it really is 534 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,359 necessary to do that. So one of the things I 535 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,920 want to do, and I always have a backup in 536 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720 case we don't get any phone calls, which today we didn't, 537 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,200 and I've already answered the emails, and I like to 538 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,400 go through organ systems. We've started, oh with the limping dog. 539 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,680 We've gone through the ear problems. You've gone through eye problems, 540 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,279 and what I want to do now, oh, the vomiting dog. 541 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,759 Speaker 3: Intestinal issues. 542 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: So now you know I do see a lot of 543 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,519 rescue dogs because we do a lot of rescue work 544 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,279 out of my hospital. And another disease complex that is very, 545 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:05,640 very especially in puppies and kittens, especially in rescue animals. 546 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,920 And these are animals that have been living in rescue 547 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,759 groups or living in shelters or in foster homes where 548 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:17,799 the fosters, understandably so are fostering more than just one dog. 549 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,000 And most likely many of these dogs have been in 550 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,880 and come from a shelter. So, if you haven't guessed yet, 551 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,880 we are talking about respiratory disease complexes. And what is 552 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,599 so important about discussing this as a disease complex is 553 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,960 that the range can be anywhere from a mild infectious 554 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,640 tracheo bronchitis also known as kennel cough, which, by the way, 555 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,279 and I think I mentioned this before, I don't love 556 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,079 the term kennel cough, and I'll explain why, and we 557 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,200 get to it all the way to a mild pneumonia's 558 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,000 which can be lowbar pneumonias, could be interstitial pnemonions, could 559 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,000 be bronchiolarnemas pneumonia's depending on where the disease is taking place. 560 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,880 Two are a full blown pneumonia, which could include aspiration 561 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:08,279 pneumonia and how to tell an aspiration ammonia from an 562 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,559 infectious pneumonia. And then finally to some of the diseases 563 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,119 that can cause severe respiratory infections, notably canine distemper virus 564 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,759 and distemper virus is an epitheliotropic virus, which means that 565 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,640 it likes to attack epithelial surfaces, and one of the 566 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,759 first epithelial surfaces it likes is the surface lining the 567 00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:35,759 respiratory tract. It also likes to attack the surface surface 568 00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:40,039 lining the gastrointestinal tract also, so we see these animals 569 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:44,039 that have snotty nose, severe size of respiray disease. They 570 00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:47,640 can have vomiting and diarrhea. It also likes the skin, 571 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:50,480 so we see these crusty noses and these that's why 572 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,640 it gotten many times if you talked to an older practitioner, 573 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,960 they call distemper hard pad disease because the pads of 574 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,079 these puppies that are stricken with distemper get very hard 575 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,599 because of the epitheliotropic properties of the disease. And lastly, 576 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,200 and the one that is the worst to have, the 577 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,960 one that really provides us gives us the worst prognosis 578 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,279 when we have to prognosticate, and that is when it 579 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:22,000 hits the lining of the neurologic system, and then we 580 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:26,079 have neurologic disease, and that is where we have the 581 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,759 poorest prognosis. Most often, we can maybe treat them and 582 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,319 possibly get them through the respiratory phase. We might be 583 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:36,880 able to get them through the GI phase. But man, 584 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,960 once it hits the central nervous system, that's a tough 585 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,519 one to be And if I have these puppies that 586 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,279 start exhibiting signs of neurologic disease, my tent, my take 587 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,720 is that maybe it's time to stop trying, because these 588 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:56,160 poor puppies are going to suffer. And even its interesting 589 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,440 talking about the neurologic symptoms of canine dis temper virus 590 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,240 is there are dogs that can present with just the 591 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,160 GI problems, just the respiratorying problems, or both, and we 592 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,960 get them better and they do great, and then later 593 00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:13,400 on down the road, they could start exhibiting certain signs 594 00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:17,480 of a neurologic deficit or neurologic deficits, and we refer 595 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:23,200 to that as O D old dog encephalitis. Not necessarily 596 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,160 that they're old, but they're older and they have no 597 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,920 other signs of distemper. So this was lying dormant in 598 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,039 the neurology tract. And so we have neurologic disease in 599 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,599 the neurosystem and that can cause a problem later on. 600 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 3: Nothing that can't be treated. We work with them. 601 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,599 Speaker 2: It's not as severe as when it happens to them 602 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,079 in the active phase as a puppy, but it can happen. 603 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,480 And it's also, by the way, don't kid yourself, it's 604 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,519 not only a puppy disease. So when it comes to vaccinations, 605 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,880 I am all for vaccines. I am not for over vaccinating. 606 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,599 We've talked about this a lot, so I'm a big 607 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:03,079 fan of doing a tighter test and if the tighters 608 00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:08,079 are accurate, are protective, no need to vaccinate. But if 609 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,400 those tiders are low, you need to get yourself to 610 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,160 a veterinarian and you need to take care of the 611 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,759 vaccines anyway. On the respiratory tree, so let's talk about 612 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:22,200 the simple viruses, and that is the puppy viruses. Number 613 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,240 one is going to be the upper resptoid disease complex 614 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:28,440 and that is probably one of the more common things 615 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,519 we're going to see as a puppy. And interestingly, kittens, 616 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,440 they seem to have more disease than just the restoroid 617 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,119 disease complex. They have their own, but a lot of 618 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,079 the kitten diseases have a phase that goes to the 619 00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:45,079 restory tree, from chlamydia we call numiniitis, to the rhino 620 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,960 and Calesi viruses rhino tracheitis. So these are all kitten 621 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,359 viruses except for the Chlamythia chmmittee is actually a bacterium 622 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:57,440 that cause respiratory disease complex and the cats and clearly 623 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:01,480 the bacterial portion the chlamydia are news can be treated 624 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,200 with antibotics. There's not a lot we can do with 625 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:09,519 the virals. For example, the rohnod tracheitis. So our goal 626 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:11,920 of treatment is we can do There are some anti 627 00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:15,759 viral medications that can be used. There are also some 628 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:19,960 ophthalmic ointments because part of this complex affects the eyes 629 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,599 as well, and so there are some things that we 630 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,279 could use, but oftentimes we're stuck with supporting these animals, 631 00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:33,160 with using antibotics to could treat the secondary infection and 632 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,400 then we go ahead and hopefully itself. With dogs, however, 633 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,759 very common to see these dogs. And as I said, 634 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,960 I don't like using the term kettle cough anymore. Why 635 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,559 because it's no longer coming just from a kettle. 636 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:47,279 Speaker 3: I call it. 637 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,119 Speaker 2: Especially in Los Angeles, where we get to enjoy such 638 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,720 an outdoor, active lifestyle, we have take your dog to 639 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,680 Melrose cough, go to the dog park cough, Go to 640 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,960 the groomer cough, go to the vet, cough. 641 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:01,599 Speaker 3: Go to you know, take your dog out of the 642 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,319 neighborhood cough. I mean it is literally. 643 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,519 Speaker 2: Everywhere, so people, you know. And the reason I really 644 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:09,960 want to make the distinction is when that client walks 645 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,639 in the door and says, yeah, but I don't kendle 646 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,119 my dog. They never get boreded, so I don't need 647 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:18,400 the kettle cough vaccine. Not so if you go out 648 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,679 and about, if you are passing dogs on your walks, 649 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,840 it's respiratory. 650 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 3: It's in the air. 651 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,119 Speaker 2: So chances are your dog may not be the source, 652 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,719 but one of those other dogs may be and they, 653 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,599 you know, pass each other, they sniff, you go to 654 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:32,559 the dog park, you. 655 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 3: Go to the groomer. 656 00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:37,079 Speaker 2: There are so many ways that these dogs can pick 657 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:40,639 up the respiraort disease complex. So I am quite the 658 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,199 fan of vaccine as a matter of fact. A matter 659 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,000 of fact, of all the vaccines, probably the border Tellerpronxosceptica 660 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,400 vaccine is our weakest of all. I don't tighter for 661 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,559 that because I find that it's not going to be 662 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,519 there's no way to tighter for it anyway. But the 663 00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:58,519 truth matter is it is the weakest of the vaccines 664 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,840 that most of facilities that do do this boarding and 665 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,880 the grooming, the doggy daycare, the training facilities, you name it, 666 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,480 they're going to recommend bordetella every six months, and rightly so, 667 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,599 it should be done every six months. And for typical 668 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:19,320 dogs that are just backyard dogs just going to walk 669 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,880 in the neighborhood once a year, is probably fine. But 670 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,199 remember it's everywhere and you can't blame Sometimes you've had 671 00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:27,679 dogs out to the vent or go to the groomer 672 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,840 and they're blaming the groomer. No, no, no, it's everywhere. It's 673 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,559 just like blaming the school, the kindergarten when your kid 674 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:36,880 comes home with a cold. All right, it's very hard 675 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,239 to stop. It's just it is what it is. And 676 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,119 a lot of times, like with human restroid diseases, kids 677 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,039 can go to school already harboring it but hasn't shown 678 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,440 symptoms yet because he's in that three to five day 679 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,280 incubation period, so no one knows the kid has it 680 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,280 and then passes it on. 681 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 3: So just kind of keep those things in mind. 682 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,679 Speaker 2: Anyway, we are out of time. I want to once 683 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,840 again thank you for joining us. We'll be here next week. 684 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,639 We're going to pick up on some of the more 685 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,760 serious respiratory diseases that we see, some of the causes, 686 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,199 some of the treatments. If you have any questions and 687 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,320 you want to just get nerve, go ahead and send 688 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,840 them to Dr Jeff at Petlife Radio dot com. Otherwise, 689 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:14,960 you can join in the conversation next week or call 690 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,119 it to at eight seven seven three eight five eight 691 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,679 eight eight two. Thanks again to Colm, Thanks again to Prosents, 692 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,119 and we will see you here at pet Life Radios. 693 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,199 Speaker 3: Ask the pets, but doctor Jeff next week. 694 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,599 Speaker 1: Let's talk pets every week on demand only on petlife 695 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:56,280 radio dot com