Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to spin back out the Moscow
Speaker 1: for some more conversation about Howard Bloom's new book, When
Speaker 1: the Night Comes Calling. And in this book he talks
Speaker 1: about who the target allegedly was of these murders, and
Speaker 1: it's the same exact person that we've been talking about
Speaker 1: since basically the beginning, and that person is Madison Mogan
Speaker 1: And it all just makes sense, right considering that's the
Speaker 1: first room that Coburger went into, Considering what we heard
Speaker 1: about Kaylee's body and the brutality that we saw there
Speaker 1: led me to believe that that was a rage kill.
Speaker 1: And the reason it was a rage kill was because
Speaker 1: he wasn't expecting Kaylee to be in that bedroom. Remember,
Speaker 1: Kaylee had moved out, so he was expecting Madison Mogan
Speaker 1: to be alone in that bedroom and he was expecting
Speaker 1: to have time alone with Madison. And when his plans
Speaker 1: were interrupted and when things went awry, that's when Brian
Speaker 1: Colberger snapped allegedly, and when he realized that he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to have the time that he wanted with Madison,
Speaker 1: that's when the rage began and we see the killing
Speaker 1: spree kickoff. But this is something that we've talked about
Speaker 1: here on the podcast pretty much since the very beginning. Now,
Speaker 1: when the murders first happened, I thought that Kaylee was
Speaker 1: the target, but as we got more information, and the
Speaker 1: thing that was really the censure for me was when
Speaker 1: we found out that Madison Mogan worked at the Mad Greek.
Speaker 1: There is no doubt in my mind, zero doubt in
Speaker 1: my mind that Brian Kohberger saw her at the Mad
Speaker 1: Greek and that's when his fascination started. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: have anything to show you as far as proof of that,
Speaker 1: but when you follow along with the story as we
Speaker 1: have been, I think it's pretty obvious that that's what
Speaker 1: went down, or at least the most likely scenario. And
Speaker 1: then from there he started stalking her and you know,
Speaker 1: becoming all sorts of fascinated with her and obsessed. And
Speaker 1: as far as Ethan and Zana go, I don't think
Speaker 1: they were even on the radar. Right, bro came stumbling
Speaker 1: out of the room. He was already in his rage
Speaker 1: lust and he ran into Xanna in the hallway and
Speaker 1: figured he had to finish the job. And by the
Speaker 1: time he got to the other roommates. You know Bethany Funk, Well,
Speaker 1: he was already beat. You know, this guy isn't a superhuman,
Speaker 1: right you murder a bunch of people with a knife,
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of energy. So he was probably gassed.
Speaker 1: He was probably coming down from his lust, and that's
Speaker 1: why you didn't see the other roommates get slaughtered. But
Speaker 1: as far as the target goes, there's no doubt in
Speaker 1: my mind that it was Madison Mogan. And today we
Speaker 1: have an article from The Independent talking about that very thing,
Speaker 1: So let's dive in. Like I said, this article was
Speaker 1: published by The Independent and the headline Idaho murder suspect
Speaker 1: Brian Koberger targeted one of his victims explosive new theory claims.
Speaker 1: This article was authored by Mike Bettigan. I wouldn't exactly
Speaker 1: call this a new theory, considering we've been talking about it,
Speaker 1: and not just us, obviously other people too, because it's
Speaker 1: the most logical explanation, right, It's the most logical scenario,
Speaker 1: and when you look at the brutality that was displayed
Speaker 1: in that bedroom, it's really telling. Brian Coberger had identified
Speaker 1: a single target on the night he allegedly murdered for
Speaker 1: college students in Idaho. A new book is claimed murder
Speaker 1: suspect Brian Colberger was fixated on Madison Mogan when he
Speaker 1: entered the off campus house in Moscow on November thirteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, according to journalist Howard Bloom, And that
Speaker 1: sounds about right. So, like I've said from the beginning,
Speaker 1: he goes into that room, he's expecting Madison to be
Speaker 1: there alone. He's expecting to, you know, do whatever it
Speaker 1: is this sick fuck was expecting to do. And unfortunately
Speaker 1: for him, Kaylee was there, and that just really set
Speaker 1: everything into motion. And I think that as this all
Speaker 1: plays out and we get more information, we get to
Speaker 1: the trial portion and all of that, we're going to
Speaker 1: see this all INHD and obviously the prosecution is going
Speaker 1: to lay out the foundation of their case once we
Speaker 1: get to the trial. And my guess is it's gonna
Speaker 1: have to do with him being fixated, like mister Bloom
Speaker 1: says here, on Madison Mogan. And while there are certain
Speaker 1: things that I kind of take with a grain of
Speaker 1: salt when we're talking about Howard Bloom's book, I think
Speaker 1: that this is definitely bang on. The twenty nine year
Speaker 1: old criminology PhD student is currently awaiting trial for the
Speaker 1: murders of Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalvez, Zana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin,
Speaker 1: who were all found stabbed to death. Officials believe Coberger
Speaker 1: was after Mogan because he passed the rooms of two
Speaker 1: surviving roommates before starting the killing spree. Bloom told ABC News, yes,
Speaker 1: it was targeted. If it was just wanton destruction, right,
Speaker 1: just going in there to murder people, he would have
Speaker 1: started with the first people he ran into. But that's
Speaker 1: not what went down. He made a b line for
Speaker 1: Madison Mogan's room, and I think it's crucial to remember
Speaker 1: that even though k he used to live there, she
Speaker 1: wasn't living there at the time. And if Brian Colberger
Speaker 1: was doing his due diligence and you know, stalking the
Speaker 1: house looking at what's going on, observing what's going on,
Speaker 1: surveiling what's going on, then he would know that and
Speaker 1: he would think that this is the perfect time to strike.
Speaker 1: If he was just on a killing spree, it would
Speaker 1: have been natural instinctive to go to one of those doors,
Speaker 1: he said. Instead, he goes up this narrow staircase, and
Speaker 1: he turns directly into Maddie's room, And I think Mattie
Speaker 1: was his target. And again I think so too. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt at this point that Madison's
Speaker 1: the target, unless, of course, we get an official source
Speaker 1: telling us differently. Police linked Coburger to the murders that
Speaker 1: rock the college town through his DNA found on a
Speaker 1: knife sheath, cell phone data, an eyewitness account, and his
Speaker 1: white Hondai A Lantra. Bloom's book also claims that Coberger's
Speaker 1: family had concerns about his behavior leading up to his
Speaker 1: arrest six weeks after the murder. His father said that
Speaker 1: he had been on edge when he picked him up
Speaker 1: from school after the killings. Now imagine feeling like that
Speaker 1: about your kid, even thinking that your a child is
Speaker 1: capable of something like that. What does that say about
Speaker 1: Brian Cohberger. Coburger's father has been reading the headlines. He
Speaker 1: knows that four students were killed twelve miles from his
Speaker 1: son's house. He knows what a troubled son he has,
Speaker 1: Bloom told ABC one of Coberger's two sisters had also
Speaker 1: approached their father to voice suspicions about him, but he
Speaker 1: had brushed off their concerns, unwilling to confront the possibility.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about this previously too. There were reports
Speaker 1: that Brian Colberger's sister thought that he was guilty. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of reports that his family thought that
Speaker 1: he definitely was the guy. And when your own family
Speaker 1: is thinking that, when your own loved ones people are
Speaker 1: around you, they know you the best, they think that
Speaker 1: you could be the murderer, my friend, you have been
Speaker 1: living your life the wrong way because if anybody showed
Speaker 1: up and started talking about, oh, Bobby murdered four people,
Speaker 1: it would be laughable at best, because, hey, anybody who
Speaker 1: knows me, knows my isn't going to jail and b
Speaker 1: that's just ridiculous. It's completely out of character, right, not
Speaker 1: something that I would do. Whereas with Brian Coolberger, obviously
Speaker 1: his family, his friends, well they don't find it too
Speaker 1: out of character. So that tells me a lot about
Speaker 1: this dude. Honestly, does that make him a murderer? No,
Speaker 1: it does not, but certainly it really advances the narrative
Speaker 1: that the prosecution is pitching Bloom's book. When the night
Speaker 1: comes calling a requiem for the Idaho student murders is
Speaker 1: set to be released on June twenty fifth. It comes
Speaker 1: after hearing in the case was set for June twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: where attorneys are expected to discuss dates for the trial
Speaker 1: and the sentencing. They will also discuss whether the trial
Speaker 1: should be moved outside the county to his seat and
Speaker 1: impartial jury. The state has been opposed to the move,
Speaker 1: while the defense is in favor of it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just move it to a different county, because you know,
Speaker 1: Idaho is so big, and the other county that you
Speaker 1: move it to, they're not going to have social media,
Speaker 1: they don't have the news there, So yeah, let's do this.
Speaker 1: What kind of dumb nonsense is that, here's an idea,
Speaker 1: you commit the crime in Laytak County, or allegedly commit
Speaker 1: the the crime in Layta County. I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear shit about oh I want to go to a
Speaker 1: different venue. Well, if you wanted to go to a
Speaker 1: different venue, commit the crime there is stupid. Now, reap
Speaker 1: what you sow. And I hope that judge Judge does
Speaker 1: not acquiesce to these requests, and I hope that this
Speaker 1: trial does stay in Laytak County. Now, with that said,
Speaker 1: if they want to bring a jury from outside the
Speaker 1: county in, that's cool. But the people of Moscow, they
Speaker 1: deserve to have this hearing, this trial right there, smack
Speaker 1: dab in the middle of their city. Colberger previously declined
Speaker 1: to enter a plea, prompting Judge John Judge to enter
Speaker 1: his plea is not guilty on his behalf. In May
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, Leayta County prosecutors say they intend
Speaker 1: to seek the death penalty if Coburger is convicted. Last month,
Speaker 1: the defense argued that prosecutors had not handed all the
Speaker 1: evidence over for them to review, and have file multiple
Speaker 1: motions to compel the state to do so. Well, if
Speaker 1: they don't have it, they don't have it. And if
Speaker 1: they're wedding on the FBI, they're wedding on the FBI.
Speaker 1: And anyone who follows these trials understands that both sides
Speaker 1: they're trying to slow walk all of this evidence, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times the judge has to step in
Speaker 1: and tell them, look, here's the deal. Prosecutors insisted they're
Speaker 1: doing all they can to share evidence, but have been
Speaker 1: partly delayed by federal rules due to the FBI's involvement
Speaker 1: in the investigation. Earlier this year, Coberger's attorneys also filed
Speaker 1: a motion to dismiss the murder charges against them, citing
Speaker 1: a bias grand jury, in admissible evidence, and prosecutorial misconduct.
Speaker 1: Judge John Judge denied the motion. And there's no way
Speaker 1: that Coburger is getting off of this without going to trial.
Speaker 1: Right the judge isn't suspending this. Judge judgesn't throwing this out.
Speaker 1: There's way too much evidence. We're talking about DNA evidence
Speaker 1: that traces directly to Brian Colberger, that was found directly
Speaker 1: on that knife sheet. So well, I don't know how
Speaker 1: anyone thinks that they're going to be able to just
Speaker 1: get this dismissed or thrown out. This is going before
Speaker 1: a jury and the only question at this point is
Speaker 1: when's that going to occur? All right, folks, that's going
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