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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, we're going to spin back out the Moscow

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<v Speaker 1>for some more conversation about Howard Bloom's new book, When

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<v Speaker 1>the Night Comes Calling. And in this book he talks

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<v Speaker 1>about who the target allegedly was of these murders, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same exact person that we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>since basically the beginning, and that person is Madison Mogan

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<v Speaker 1>And it all just makes sense, right considering that's the

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<v Speaker 1>first room that Coburger went into, Considering what we heard

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<v Speaker 1>about Kaylee's body and the brutality that we saw there

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<v Speaker 1>led me to believe that that was a rage kill.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason it was a rage kill was because

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't expecting Kaylee to be in that bedroom. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylee had moved out, so he was expecting Madison Mogan

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<v Speaker 1>to be alone in that bedroom and he was expecting

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<v Speaker 1>to have time alone with Madison. And when his plans

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<v Speaker 1>were interrupted and when things went awry, that's when Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Colberger snapped allegedly, and when he realized that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to have the time that he wanted with Madison,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when the rage began and we see the killing

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<v Speaker 1>spree kickoff. But this is something that we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>here on the podcast pretty much since the very beginning. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when the murders first happened, I thought that Kaylee was

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<v Speaker 1>the target, but as we got more information, and the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that was really the censure for me was when

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<v Speaker 1>we found out that Madison Mogan worked at the Mad Greek.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no doubt in my mind, zero doubt in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind that Brian Kohberger saw her at the Mad

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<v Speaker 1>Greek and that's when his fascination started. Now, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have anything to show you as far as proof of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you follow along with the story as we

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<v Speaker 1>have been, I think it's pretty obvious that that's what

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<v Speaker 1>went down, or at least the most likely scenario. And

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<v Speaker 1>then from there he started stalking her and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>becoming all sorts of fascinated with her and obsessed. And

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<v Speaker 1>as far as Ethan and Zana go, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they were even on the radar. Right, bro came stumbling

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<v Speaker 1>out of the room. He was already in his rage

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<v Speaker 1>lust and he ran into Xanna in the hallway and

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<v Speaker 1>figured he had to finish the job. And by the

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<v Speaker 1>time he got to the other roommates. You know Bethany Funk, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he was already beat. You know, this guy isn't a superhuman,

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<v Speaker 1>right you murder a bunch of people with a knife,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a lot of energy. So he was probably gassed.

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<v Speaker 1>He was probably coming down from his lust, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why you didn't see the other roommates get slaughtered. But

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the target goes, there's no doubt in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind that it was Madison Mogan. And today we

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<v Speaker 1>have an article from The Independent talking about that very thing,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's dive in. Like I said, this article was

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<v Speaker 1>published by The Independent and the headline Idaho murder suspect

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Koberger targeted one of his victims explosive new theory claims.

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<v Speaker 1>This article was authored by Mike Bettigan. I wouldn't exactly

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<v Speaker 1>call this a new theory, considering we've been talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just us, obviously other people too, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the most logical explanation, right, It's the most logical scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you look at the brutality that was displayed

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<v Speaker 1>in that bedroom, it's really telling. Brian Coberger had identified

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<v Speaker 1>a single target on the night he allegedly murdered for

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<v Speaker 1>college students in Idaho. A new book is claimed murder

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<v Speaker 1>suspect Brian Colberger was fixated on Madison Mogan when he

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<v Speaker 1>entered the off campus house in Moscow on November thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two, according to journalist Howard Bloom, And that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds about right. So, like I've said from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes into that room, he's expecting Madison to be

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<v Speaker 1>there alone. He's expecting to, you know, do whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is this sick fuck was expecting to do. And unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>for him, Kaylee was there, and that just really set

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<v Speaker 1>everything into motion. And I think that as this all

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<v Speaker 1>plays out and we get more information, we get to

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<v Speaker 1>the trial portion and all of that, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see this all INHD and obviously the prosecution is going

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<v Speaker 1>to lay out the foundation of their case once we

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<v Speaker 1>get to the trial. And my guess is it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to do with him being fixated, like mister Bloom

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<v Speaker 1>says here, on Madison Mogan. And while there are certain

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<v Speaker 1>things that I kind of take with a grain of

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<v Speaker 1>salt when we're talking about Howard Bloom's book, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that this is definitely bang on. The twenty nine year

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<v Speaker 1>old criminology PhD student is currently awaiting trial for the

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<v Speaker 1>murders of Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalvez, Zana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin,

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<v Speaker 1>who were all found stabbed to death. Officials believe Coberger

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<v Speaker 1>was after Mogan because he passed the rooms of two

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<v Speaker 1>surviving roommates before starting the killing spree. Bloom told ABC News, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was targeted. If it was just wanton destruction, right,

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<v Speaker 1>just going in there to murder people, he would have

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<v Speaker 1>started with the first people he ran into. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>not what went down. He made a b line for

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<v Speaker 1>Madison Mogan's room, and I think it's crucial to remember

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<v Speaker 1>that even though k he used to live there, she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't living there at the time. And if Brian Colberger

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<v Speaker 1>was doing his due diligence and you know, stalking the

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<v Speaker 1>house looking at what's going on, observing what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>surveiling what's going on, then he would know that and

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<v Speaker 1>he would think that this is the perfect time to strike.

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<v Speaker 1>If he was just on a killing spree, it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been natural instinctive to go to one of those doors,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. Instead, he goes up this narrow staircase, and

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<v Speaker 1>he turns directly into Maddie's room, And I think Mattie

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<v Speaker 1>was his target. And again I think so too. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there's any doubt at this point that Madison's

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<v Speaker 1>the target, unless, of course, we get an official source

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<v Speaker 1>telling us differently. Police linked Coburger to the murders that

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<v Speaker 1>rock the college town through his DNA found on a

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<v Speaker 1>knife sheath, cell phone data, an eyewitness account, and his

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<v Speaker 1>white Hondai A Lantra. Bloom's book also claims that Coberger's

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<v Speaker 1>family had concerns about his behavior leading up to his

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<v Speaker 1>arrest six weeks after the murder. His father said that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been on edge when he picked him up

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<v Speaker 1>from school after the killings. Now imagine feeling like that

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<v Speaker 1>about your kid, even thinking that your a child is

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<v Speaker 1>capable of something like that. What does that say about

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Cohberger. Coburger's father has been reading the headlines. He

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<v Speaker 1>knows that four students were killed twelve miles from his

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<v Speaker 1>son's house. He knows what a troubled son he has,

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<v Speaker 1>Bloom told ABC one of Coberger's two sisters had also

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<v Speaker 1>approached their father to voice suspicions about him, but he

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<v Speaker 1>had brushed off their concerns, unwilling to confront the possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've talked about this previously too. There were reports

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<v Speaker 1>that Brian Colberger's sister thought that he was guilty. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of reports that his family thought that

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<v Speaker 1>he definitely was the guy. And when your own family

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<v Speaker 1>is thinking that, when your own loved ones people are

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<v Speaker 1>around you, they know you the best, they think that

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<v Speaker 1>you could be the murderer, my friend, you have been

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<v Speaker 1>living your life the wrong way because if anybody showed

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<v Speaker 1>up and started talking about, oh, Bobby murdered four people,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be laughable at best, because, hey, anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>knows me, knows my isn't going to jail and b

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<v Speaker 1>that's just ridiculous. It's completely out of character, right, not

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<v Speaker 1>something that I would do. Whereas with Brian Coolberger, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>his family, his friends, well they don't find it too

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<v Speaker 1>out of character. So that tells me a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>this dude. Honestly, does that make him a murderer? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it does not, but certainly it really advances the narrative

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<v Speaker 1>that the prosecution is pitching Bloom's book. When the night

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<v Speaker 1>comes calling a requiem for the Idaho student murders is

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<v Speaker 1>set to be released on June twenty fifth. It comes

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<v Speaker 1>after hearing in the case was set for June twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>where attorneys are expected to discuss dates for the trial

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<v Speaker 1>and the sentencing. They will also discuss whether the trial

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<v Speaker 1>should be moved outside the county to his seat and

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<v Speaker 1>impartial jury. The state has been opposed to the move,

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<v Speaker 1>while the defense is in favor of it. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just move it to a different county, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Idaho is so big, and the other county that you

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<v Speaker 1>move it to, they're not going to have social media,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have the news there, So yeah, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of dumb nonsense is that, here's an idea,

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<v Speaker 1>you commit the crime in Laytak County, or allegedly commit

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<v Speaker 1>the the crime in Layta County. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>hear shit about oh I want to go to a

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<v Speaker 1>different venue. Well, if you wanted to go to a

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<v Speaker 1>different venue, commit the crime there is stupid. Now, reap

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<v Speaker 1>what you sow. And I hope that judge Judge does

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<v Speaker 1>not acquiesce to these requests, and I hope that this

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<v Speaker 1>trial does stay in Laytak County. Now, with that said,

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to bring a jury from outside the

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<v Speaker 1>county in, that's cool. But the people of Moscow, they

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to have this hearing, this trial right there, smack

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<v Speaker 1>dab in the middle of their city. Colberger previously declined

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<v Speaker 1>to enter a plea, prompting Judge John Judge to enter

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<v Speaker 1>his plea is not guilty on his behalf. In May

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty three, Leayta County prosecutors say they intend

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<v Speaker 1>to seek the death penalty if Coburger is convicted. Last month,

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<v Speaker 1>the defense argued that prosecutors had not handed all the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence over for them to review, and have file multiple

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<v Speaker 1>motions to compel the state to do so. Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have it, they don't have it. And if

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<v Speaker 1>they're wedding on the FBI, they're wedding on the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>And anyone who follows these trials understands that both sides

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to slow walk all of this evidence, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times the judge has to step in

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<v Speaker 1>and tell them, look, here's the deal. Prosecutors insisted they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing all they can to share evidence, but have been

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<v Speaker 1>partly delayed by federal rules due to the FBI's involvement

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<v Speaker 1>in the investigation. Earlier this year, Coberger's attorneys also filed

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<v Speaker 1>a motion to dismiss the murder charges against them, citing

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<v Speaker 1>a bias grand jury, in admissible evidence, and prosecutorial misconduct.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge John Judge denied the motion. And there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>that Coburger is getting off of this without going to trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Right the judge isn't suspending this. Judge judgesn't throwing this out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's way too much evidence. We're talking about DNA evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that traces directly to Brian Colberger, that was found directly

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<v Speaker 1>on that knife sheet. So well, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>anyone thinks that they're going to be able to just

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<v Speaker 1>get this dismissed or thrown out. This is going before

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<v Speaker 1>a jury and the only question at this point is

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<v Speaker 1>when's that going to occur? All right, folks, that's going

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