Speaker 1: On.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the CEO pre show for episode four eighty nine.
Speaker 2: For eighty nine Holy Shit, brought to you by the
Speaker 2: wonderful patrons at Patreon dot com slash CEO podcast, whether
Speaker 2: they like it or not, Yes, very much so. And
Speaker 2: every time we do a new a new week of CEO,
Speaker 2: I think, man, we're getting close to five hundred, and
Speaker 2: then I think of Las Vegas, and then I think
Speaker 2: all the freakin' awesome stuff.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the pre show. See you next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just kidding. No, I'm excited to get to Vegas.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat tacos and I'm gonna go somewhere where
Speaker 1: I can get a pizza that you have to fold
Speaker 1: in half and then eat it like it's a like
Speaker 1: a like a taco.
Speaker 2: Like a New York style pizza. But you're in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I'm excited to do both of those things.
Speaker 1: I have you and some of the other house members
Speaker 1: have tickets to the after party. I did not acquire
Speaker 1: some due to constraints that I have, but so you know,
Speaker 1: there'll be a contingent that goes to the after party,
Speaker 1: and the contingent goes to the after party. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what, last time, we we've done
Speaker 2: stuff like that before where we split up, and I
Speaker 2: think first pre show lesson, before we get to the
Speaker 2: booster pack game, before we get to planning for tomorrow's show.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, first pre show lesson. When you go on
Speaker 2: a holiday, a trip, a vacation with a group, or
Speaker 2: even your family, not everybody needs to do the same
Speaker 2: all stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean and Ryan rarely do the same stuff.
Speaker 1: We don't see each other for pretty much the entire day.
Speaker 2: Wait. Yeah, we leave it like nine in the morning
Speaker 2: to go to the thing, and we get back and
Speaker 2: it's like ten pm. It's like, hey, how you doing.
Speaker 1: You're here too, I didn't know it. You're still kicking
Speaker 1: I sure am oh bit for you a man, Let's
Speaker 1: see if we can do better tomorrow. It's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like every time we were just talking about our
Speaker 2: family vacation that we just took with with Rebecca's family,
Speaker 2: It's like we didn't have to do the same stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just go and have fun. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: point of being on vacation. That's why you do it.
Speaker 1: I think I've only ever done that one. And I
Speaker 1: just did my own thing and you did your own thing,
Speaker 1: and we congealed in the middle like gelatine and it
Speaker 1: was fun.
Speaker 2: Like a green blob?
Speaker 1: Yes, or what color was the blob in the blob?
Speaker 2: Also green?
Speaker 1: It was a black and white movie, so I guess
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's up to interpretation. I always pictured
Speaker 1: it being green.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, however, though you could picture kind of light pink.
Speaker 1: Uh. That's just because of Ghostbusters, I suppose because their
Speaker 1: extoplasm was was that pink color? I think that you
Speaker 1: had a speak to me dirty Yeah, big pink blobs
Speaker 1: sliming around. I don't know, man, there's something big pink blob.
Speaker 2: That's my wife called me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't google that probably Hey, it's yeah, the big
Speaker 1: pink bikes.
Speaker 2: Speaking of big bond blobs, big pink blobs, Yeah, we
Speaker 2: have last week's booster pack game winner.
Speaker 1: Big pink blob.
Speaker 2: Yes, well close, actually, oh shit. They commented on last
Speaker 2: week's show that they were excited or hoping hopeful for
Speaker 2: Coalition victory to be unbanned in Commander Oh man. They
Speaker 2: were right, yes, good for them, freaking I good for them,
Speaker 2: and you are so happy I found one of those
Speaker 2: fuckers in my bulk box, and.
Speaker 1: More for them than for you, because they are going
Speaker 1: to be on the receiving end of a CCEO sticker pack,
Speaker 1: a CECO token pack, or some lame ass pack of
Speaker 1: regular old magic to gather cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm down for whatever. But two of the
Speaker 2: last three booster pack taker winner takers of booster packs
Speaker 2: of magic cards said, actually, just donate it to the
Speaker 2: CCO experience, which is pretty fricking cool.
Speaker 1: That is pretty dope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have to dig through Uncle Brendo's sock
Speaker 2: or to find packs for everybody.
Speaker 1: Now, that's pretty nice. Yeah, it's sweaty in there.
Speaker 2: I hate doing it.
Speaker 1: I find that if I wash my socks too often
Speaker 1: they get holes in them. So I just like wear
Speaker 1: them and then I put them back into a little
Speaker 1: ball and put them back in the drawer shot and
Speaker 1: that way, when I pull them out again, people will
Speaker 1: think that they have been washed because it's been a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks since you've seen me in them.
Speaker 2: Ah, but bacteria can grow in them. What if you
Speaker 2: get like a toenail.
Speaker 1: Fungus, Well, it'll be covered by a delightful sock from
Speaker 1: Sock Rocket out of Edmonton, Calgary, and nobody's gonna notice.
Speaker 1: Ah and since my socks are in my shoes all
Speaker 1: the time, it's the worst that could happen. Really, it's
Speaker 1: like the wet.
Speaker 2: CROs the winner. Oh yeah, of last week's booster backing
Speaker 2: Brian Mogues.
Speaker 1: That sounds like an actual name almost for the part.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Brian, Yeah, like that's definitely a name.
Speaker 2: Two nine four six kind of sounds dirty to.
Speaker 1: Nine four six, Yes, because he has twenty nine foreskins.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: There, we did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so get after commander Cook at gmail dot com,
Speaker 2: tell us that you want, tell us your address or
Speaker 2: if you'd like to donate to the CCO experience.
Speaker 1: Very good, Yes, Now, how do they win this week?
Speaker 1: Do you think we didn't? Really?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, what.
Speaker 2: Do you want? It's kind of the same as last week,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, what didn't get unbanned that you wish did?
Speaker 2: Or what game changer got added to the list that
Speaker 2: you don't think.
Speaker 1: Should have Mishra's factory or workshop or whichever workshops workshop.
Speaker 2: Yeah I read that and I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 2: that card's not even oh yeah, it's it's the expensive
Speaker 2: one for antiquity.
Speaker 1: We're going to have the same conversation on the show.
Speaker 1: But I had this conversation with the dude bros at
Speaker 1: EDH and M last night, which I have a quick
Speaker 1: story about that as well, real fast Mishra's Workshop being
Speaker 1: on the game changer list. Be honest with me, when
Speaker 1: was the last time you even thought about that card
Speaker 1: even in your mind? Like, when was the last time
Speaker 1: its existence dawned upon you?
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, the existence dawning upon me has happened enough
Speaker 2: times that I don't remember this time from that time.
Speaker 2: But the one and only time I saw it in
Speaker 2: a game, I did lose that game. It was and
Speaker 2: I've told the story on the show. It's the story
Speaker 2: where the guy went Coslic turn one, Coslic turn one
Speaker 2: with the lightning greeves on it. Yet and it was.
Speaker 2: I want to say that it was either an ancient
Speaker 2: tomb or a Mishra's workshop into a metal worker with
Speaker 2: other artifact Mana and.
Speaker 1: For Grieves for tap for Manas.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was the it was metal worker that he
Speaker 2: got and gave it. Hayes then got the coslic. So
Speaker 2: whether it was ancient Tomb or Mishra's Workshop, both of
Speaker 2: those are game changers and either would have gotten the
Speaker 2: job done. And by the end of his Turn one
Speaker 2: there was a hasty ten power coslic with Annihilator four.
Speaker 2: So like math checks out in that limited example.
Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's move on to the second question, refining
Speaker 1: questions to ask you what it was that the only
Speaker 1: time you've ever seen that card in a sleeve in
Speaker 1: play in real life.
Speaker 2: In Commander in Commander, Yes, yes, because I have played
Speaker 2: cubes that it's been in and my very first experience
Speaker 2: with our buddy Mitch that that played Power and he
Speaker 2: is my gifts on given story for tomorrow did have
Speaker 2: a Mischer's Workshop in the deck that he gifts on
Speaker 2: given to me friend Ryan.
Speaker 1: That's the truth. So the point is that's a strange inclusion.
Speaker 1: I think I think it was just on there for
Speaker 1: budgetary purposes because I feel like the the cost of
Speaker 1: the card probably like negates it from most there was
Speaker 1: a human people that want to buy one.
Speaker 2: There was a really good quote in Gavin's article about
Speaker 2: Workshop and if I find it, I find it. If
Speaker 2: I don't, oh here though not highly played due to
Speaker 2: its difficulty to acquire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. That means it costs a lot
Speaker 1: of money, and there's not very many of them out there,
Speaker 1: and let's be honest, Rudy probably owns most of them,
Speaker 1: just like Bizarre Bagdad.
Speaker 2: Also, yes, yeah, the thing about Workshop and its inclusion
Speaker 2: like Tabernacle at pedro Vail is it's multiple thousands of
Speaker 2: dollars to own a piece of cardboard because it was
Speaker 2: printed in nineteen ninety three and because that, and also
Speaker 2: it happens to be among the I don't know, top
Speaker 2: thirty most powerful cards in the game. Let's just pretend sure, sure,
Speaker 2: if you lose to it, you'd say, oh, that's why
Speaker 2: it's pay to play, and you're like, fuck, you can't
Speaker 2: argue with that. You can't argue with that. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Like every even though it's wrong, everything is correct there
Speaker 2: when you the moment you lose to a Workshop or
Speaker 2: a Tabernacle or Gaya's Cradle, like it's just fuck, that's it.
Speaker 2: And especially if you're a lesser experienced player, where you
Speaker 2: know that all you need to do is pack like
Speaker 2: a one dollar fricking destroyed target non basic land card
Speaker 2: in your deck and they have to search for a basic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't know if that card exists, like not enough.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that last night too. It's a
Speaker 1: sorcery read one kill a non basic land, they find
Speaker 1: a basic to draw card.
Speaker 2: What's the what's the lands that do that? Not Strip
Speaker 2: Mine and Wasteland, but the other ones that let people
Speaker 2: search for basics.
Speaker 1: Tech Edge, ghost Quarter. Yeah, there's four or five of them,
Speaker 1: lots of them.
Speaker 2: Tech Edge and ghost Quarter weren't even the two I
Speaker 2: was thinking of, but those do it. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember when tech Edge came out. It's in the worldwek
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Right, it was played and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good card.
Speaker 1: It was a very good card. So let me tell
Speaker 1: you some Mediah and m stories before we blow our
Speaker 1: whole load on the show tomorrow today. So we did
Speaker 1: the Mad Deck. The Tmat deck.
Speaker 2: Oh I heard, I heard has been in a total
Speaker 2: of three games. Okay.
Speaker 1: It has Draftco Genesis all three games, okay, And it
Speaker 1: has been I played Draco Genesis. I win unless you
Speaker 1: stop me from doing it. One time they asked me
Speaker 1: how yes, the other two times is like oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and they just picked the.
Speaker 2: Cards up you are a piece of track.
Speaker 1: So just like I said, I brought it out to
Speaker 1: EH and M last last night. Yea, as we are recording,
Speaker 1: just to kind of give it a last hurrad to
Speaker 1: see if it is what I think it is. And
Speaker 1: it is, so she's coming apart.
Speaker 2: He's the guy like TM at Draco Genesis. He's that guy.
Speaker 2: He's like the number one draft pick that four years
Speaker 2: from now actually wins you to super Bowl. He's that guy.
Speaker 1: So I did it, and now we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: dismantle that deck. It was fun to play. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: very strong, but all three games are the same. One
Speaker 1: time I even won through my Draco Genesis getting Chaos swarped.
Speaker 2: Well that's good.
Speaker 1: I put a Scourge of Vacus to kill my academy
Speaker 1: Rector to go back into my library to get the
Speaker 1: Draco Genesis back. You should have seen a look on
Speaker 1: everybody's face, so like, yeah, we got him, and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'll just do this so good. I
Speaker 1: even used the land I got off of the Chaos
Speaker 1: warp to play the Scourge of Balcaz And you know what,
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 2: That's like he's that guy, like number one draft pick
Speaker 2: that wins you the Super Bowl, or like the hype
Speaker 2: is real panoptic mirror. Panoptic mirror in my Marvel Deep
Speaker 2: operative deck, I'm already playing ten extra turn spells. You
Speaker 2: love that deck.
Speaker 1: I hate that deck.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put panoptic mirror there because fuck it,
Speaker 2: I'm already doing it. Like I'm already that guy. I
Speaker 2: might as well be the bat. I'm already the rat,
Speaker 2: already the guy. If you know I'm playing extra turns,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna pile on.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that tomorrow because somebody at the
Speaker 1: bar last night actually brought up a really interesting point
Speaker 1: with with panoptic mirror, and it gives.
Speaker 2: Me a farewell.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a very very very corner case situation.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen very often forever. Oh it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen good, and it's gonna just be demoralizing.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that tomorrow when we talk about
Speaker 1: the panoptic mirror.
Speaker 2: I got I got one more thing to say. This
Speaker 2: is a cool pre show thing. Okay, So I'm pulling
Speaker 2: up the article from Gavin from last week or whenever
Speaker 2: it came out to see the updates to the brackets
Speaker 2: and the game changers in the band list and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. And I saw Panoptic Mirrors unbanned, and I went,
Speaker 2: what what I just said this, Carl'll never get unbanned.
Speaker 2: I'm freaking yeah, oh my God. Immediately go into my
Speaker 2: ball box. I'm flipping through the artifacts because I know
Speaker 2: there's a Panoptic mirror way at the back of the
Speaker 2: freaking bulk section, like the second last card. I'm flipping
Speaker 2: through fucking memory Jar found one, and I'm like, wow, man, Memory,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna trade this in. It's gonna be like a
Speaker 2: fifty dollars bill.
Speaker 1: You know what I did when I went to look
Speaker 1: for my Panoptic minor, I cried because I traded them
Speaker 1: in like three weeks ago at the local game stores
Speaker 1: that I could make money for final fantasy cards.
Speaker 2: That is your final fantasy because now you've run out
Speaker 2: of money. That's mirror.
Speaker 1: That's the truth. I wasn't gonna play it anyway. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to see. If I had one, I probably
Speaker 1: would have traded them in any way. Yeah, you know what,
Speaker 1: because I know other people are gonna want them significantly
Speaker 1: more than I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, way more excited than you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm actually gonna play it him a
Speaker 2: Marvel deck. I'll eat my hat. But Smitty wanted to
Speaker 2: borrow my Panoptic Mirror because we don't play with proxies.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I want to put it in my
Speaker 2: calend deck because I cast from exile and Panoptic mirror.
Speaker 2: Let's let's you cast. So it's like he was totally
Speaker 2: using it fair just to play like all card draw
Speaker 2: spells that have fortel, but I can do it every
Speaker 2: turn or this is my suspend deck. It casts from exile, right,
Speaker 2: So it's like, sure, sure, if that's how I run
Speaker 2: into Panoptic Mirror in bracket three and maybe four, yep. Sure,
Speaker 2: it's just like more expensive freaking isochronceptor.
Speaker 1: They can get better stuff. But we'll get into that.
Speaker 2: Podt tomorrow as well tomorrow for eighty nine band restricted
Speaker 2: no not restricted band game changers and.
Speaker 1: Once they are kicked off the list, kicked off the list?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how would you feel if you're a game changer
Speaker 2: kicked off the list?
Speaker 1: I initially read the MTG Goldfish article that came out
Speaker 1: like right after the announcement was made, and it had
Speaker 1: a mistake on it. Did you see that one? No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Trouble in Pairs that was taken off the
Speaker 1: game changer list. It was smothering tithe Oh no.
Speaker 2: And I was like, uh, what are they thinking?
Speaker 1: What the what the fuck world are we living in?
Speaker 1: And there we are so good. So I went like
Speaker 1: half a day thinking, man, these guys are idiots. We
Speaker 1: should be on the panel because we're not idiots, and
Speaker 1: we just unbanned mostly well.
Speaker 2: Actually we oh well we would do.
Speaker 1: That, yes, because we're idiots.
Speaker 2: That's a oops, okay for eighty nine hit our theme
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