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<v Speaker 1>On.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the CEO pre show for episode four eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>For eighty nine Holy Shit, brought to you by the

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful patrons at Patreon dot com slash CEO podcast, whether

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<v Speaker 2>they like it or not, Yes, very much so. And

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<v Speaker 2>every time we do a new a new week of CEO,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, man, we're getting close to five hundred, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I think of Las Vegas, and then I think

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<v Speaker 2>all the freakin' awesome stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's the pre show. See you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just kidding. No, I'm excited to get to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna eat tacos and I'm gonna go somewhere where

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<v Speaker 1>I can get a pizza that you have to fold

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<v Speaker 1>in half and then eat it like it's a like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a taco.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a New York style pizza. But you're in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. I'm excited to do both of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>I have you and some of the other house members

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<v Speaker 1>have tickets to the after party. I did not acquire

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<v Speaker 1>some due to constraints that I have, but so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be a contingent that goes to the after party,

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<v Speaker 1>and the contingent goes to the after party. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know what, last time, we we've done

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that before where we split up, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think first pre show lesson, before we get to the

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<v Speaker 2>booster pack game, before we get to planning for tomorrow's show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, first pre show lesson. When you go on

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<v Speaker 2>a holiday, a trip, a vacation with a group, or

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<v Speaker 2>even your family, not everybody needs to do the same

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<v Speaker 2>all stuff all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean and Ryan rarely do the same stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't see each other for pretty much the entire day.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait. Yeah, we leave it like nine in the morning

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the thing, and we get back and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like ten pm. It's like, hey, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You're here too, I didn't know it. You're still kicking

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<v Speaker 1>I sure am oh bit for you a man, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see if we can do better tomorrow. It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like every time we were just talking about our

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<v Speaker 2>family vacation that we just took with with Rebecca's family,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like we didn't have to do the same stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just go and have fun. Yeah, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>point of being on vacation. That's why you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've only ever done that one. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just did my own thing and you did your own thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we congealed in the middle like gelatine and it

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<v Speaker 1>was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a green blob?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, or what color was the blob in the blob?

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<v Speaker 2>Also green?

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<v Speaker 1>It was a black and white movie, so I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of it's up to interpretation. I always pictured

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<v Speaker 1>it being green.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, however, though you could picture kind of light pink.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. That's just because of Ghostbusters, I suppose because their

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<v Speaker 1>extoplasm was was that pink color? I think that you

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<v Speaker 1>had a speak to me dirty Yeah, big pink blobs

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<v Speaker 1>sliming around. I don't know, man, there's something big pink blob.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my wife called me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't google that probably Hey, it's yeah, the big

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<v Speaker 1>pink bikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of big bond blobs, big pink blobs, Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>have last week's booster pack game winner.

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<v Speaker 1>Big pink blob.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well close, actually, oh shit. They commented on last

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<v Speaker 2>week's show that they were excited or hoping hopeful for

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition victory to be unbanned in Commander Oh man. They

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<v Speaker 2>were right, yes, good for them, freaking I good for them,

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<v Speaker 2>and you are so happy I found one of those

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<v Speaker 2>fuckers in my bulk box, and.

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<v Speaker 1>More for them than for you, because they are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the receiving end of a CCEO sticker pack,

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<v Speaker 1>a CECO token pack, or some lame ass pack of

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<v Speaker 1>regular old magic to gather cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm down for whatever. But two of the

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<v Speaker 2>last three booster pack taker winner takers of booster packs

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<v Speaker 2>of magic cards said, actually, just donate it to the

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<v Speaker 2>CCO experience, which is pretty fricking cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That is pretty dope.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't have to dig through Uncle Brendo's sock

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<v Speaker 2>or to find packs for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that's pretty nice. Yeah, it's sweaty in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I find that if I wash my socks too often

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<v Speaker 1>they get holes in them. So I just like wear

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<v Speaker 1>them and then I put them back into a little

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<v Speaker 1>ball and put them back in the drawer shot and

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<v Speaker 1>that way, when I pull them out again, people will

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<v Speaker 1>think that they have been washed because it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks since you've seen me in them.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, but bacteria can grow in them. What if you

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<v Speaker 2>get like a toenail.

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<v Speaker 1>Fungus, Well, it'll be covered by a delightful sock from

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<v Speaker 1>Sock Rocket out of Edmonton, Calgary, and nobody's gonna notice.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah and since my socks are in my shoes all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, it's the worst that could happen. Really, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the wet.

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<v Speaker 2>CROs the winner. Oh yeah, of last week's booster backing

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Mogues.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like an actual name almost for the part.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Brian, Yeah, like that's definitely a name.

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<v Speaker 2>Two nine four six kind of sounds dirty to.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine four six, Yes, because he has twenty nine foreskins.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>There, we did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so get after commander Cook at gmail dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>tell us that you want, tell us your address or

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd like to donate to the CCO experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good, Yes, Now, how do they win this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we didn't? Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, okay, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want? It's kind of the same as last week,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, yeah, what didn't get unbanned that you wish did?

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<v Speaker 2>Or what game changer got added to the list that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>Should have Mishra's factory or workshop or whichever workshops workshop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I read that and I was like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 2>that card's not even oh yeah, it's it's the expensive

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<v Speaker 2>one for antiquity.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to have the same conversation on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had this conversation with the dude bros at

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<v Speaker 1>EDH and M last night, which I have a quick

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<v Speaker 1>story about that as well, real fast Mishra's Workshop being

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<v Speaker 1>on the game changer list. Be honest with me, when

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<v Speaker 1>was the last time you even thought about that card

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<v Speaker 1>even in your mind? Like, when was the last time

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<v Speaker 1>its existence dawned upon you?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Well, the existence dawning upon me has happened enough

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<v Speaker 2>times that I don't remember this time from that time.

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<v Speaker 2>But the one and only time I saw it in

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<v Speaker 2>a game, I did lose that game. It was and

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<v Speaker 2>I've told the story on the show. It's the story

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<v Speaker 2>where the guy went Coslic turn one, Coslic turn one

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<v Speaker 2>with the lightning greeves on it. Yet and it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say that it was either an ancient

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<v Speaker 2>tomb or a Mishra's workshop into a metal worker with

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<v Speaker 2>other artifact Mana and.

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<v Speaker 1>For Grieves for tap for Manas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was the it was metal worker that he

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<v Speaker 2>got and gave it. Hayes then got the coslic. So

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was ancient Tomb or Mishra's Workshop, both of

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<v Speaker 2>those are game changers and either would have gotten the

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<v Speaker 2>job done. And by the end of his Turn one

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<v Speaker 2>there was a hasty ten power coslic with Annihilator four.

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<v Speaker 2>So like math checks out in that limited example.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's uh, let's move on to the second question, refining

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<v Speaker 1>questions to ask you what it was that the only

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<v Speaker 1>time you've ever seen that card in a sleeve in

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<v Speaker 1>play in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>In Commander in Commander, Yes, yes, because I have played

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<v Speaker 2>cubes that it's been in and my very first experience

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<v Speaker 2>with our buddy Mitch that that played Power and he

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<v Speaker 2>is my gifts on given story for tomorrow did have

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<v Speaker 2>a Mischer's Workshop in the deck that he gifts on

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<v Speaker 2>given to me friend Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the truth. So the point is that's a strange inclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it was just on there for

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<v Speaker 1>budgetary purposes because I feel like the the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>the card probably like negates it from most there was

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<v Speaker 1>a human people that want to buy one.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a really good quote in Gavin's article about

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<v Speaker 2>Workshop and if I find it, I find it. If

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, oh here though not highly played due to

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<v Speaker 2>its difficulty to acquire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go. That means it costs a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money, and there's not very many of them out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's be honest, Rudy probably owns most of them,

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<v Speaker 1>just like Bizarre Bagdad.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, yes, yeah, the thing about Workshop and its inclusion

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<v Speaker 2>like Tabernacle at pedro Vail is it's multiple thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to own a piece of cardboard because it was

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<v Speaker 2>printed in nineteen ninety three and because that, and also

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<v Speaker 2>it happens to be among the I don't know, top

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<v Speaker 2>thirty most powerful cards in the game. Let's just pretend sure, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>if you lose to it, you'd say, oh, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>it's pay to play, and you're like, fuck, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>argue with that. You can't argue with that. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Like every even though it's wrong, everything is correct there

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<v Speaker 2>when you the moment you lose to a Workshop or

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<v Speaker 2>a Tabernacle or Gaya's Cradle, like it's just fuck, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>And especially if you're a lesser experienced player, where you

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<v Speaker 2>know that all you need to do is pack like

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<v Speaker 2>a one dollar fricking destroyed target non basic land card

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<v Speaker 2>in your deck and they have to search for a basic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know if that card exists, like not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about that last night too. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>sorcery read one kill a non basic land, they find

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<v Speaker 1>a basic to draw card.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the lands that do that? Not Strip

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<v Speaker 2>Mine and Wasteland, but the other ones that let people

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<v Speaker 2>search for basics.

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<v Speaker 1>Tech Edge, ghost Quarter. Yeah, there's four or five of them,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Tech Edge and ghost Quarter weren't even the two I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking of, but those do it. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember when tech Edge came out. It's in the worldwek

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it was played and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a good card.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a very good card. So let me tell

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<v Speaker 1>you some Mediah and m stories before we blow our

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<v Speaker 1>whole load on the show tomorrow today. So we did

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<v Speaker 1>the Mad Deck. The Tmat deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I heard, I heard has been in a total

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<v Speaker 2>of three games. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It has Draftco Genesis all three games, okay, And it

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<v Speaker 1>has been I played Draco Genesis. I win unless you

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<v Speaker 1>stop me from doing it. One time they asked me

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<v Speaker 1>how yes, the other two times is like oh yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just picked the.

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<v Speaker 2>Cards up you are a piece of track.

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<v Speaker 1>So just like I said, I brought it out to

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<v Speaker 1>just to kind of give it a last hurrad to

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<v Speaker 1>it is, so she's coming apart.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the guy like TM at Draco Genesis. He's that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like the number one draft pick that four years

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<v Speaker 2>from now actually wins you to super Bowl. He's that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did it, and now we're gonna we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>dismantle that deck. It was fun to play. Oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very strong, but all three games are the same. One

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<v Speaker 1>time I even won through my Draco Genesis getting Chaos swarped.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I put a Scourge of Vacus to kill my academy

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's face, so like, yeah, we got him, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, I'll just do this so good. I

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<v Speaker 1>even used the land I got off of the Chaos

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<v Speaker 1>warp to play the Scourge of Balcaz And you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like he's that guy, like number one draft pick

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<v Speaker 2>that wins you the Super Bowl, or like the hype

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<v Speaker 2>is real panoptic mirror. Panoptic mirror in my Marvel Deep

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<v Speaker 2>operative deck, I'm already playing ten extra turn spells. You

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<v Speaker 2>love that deck.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate that deck.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna put panoptic mirror there because fuck it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm already doing it. Like I'm already that guy. I

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<v Speaker 2>might as well be the bat. I'm already the rat,

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<v Speaker 2>already the guy. If you know I'm playing extra turns,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just gonna pile on.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about that tomorrow because somebody at the

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<v Speaker 1>bar last night actually brought up a really interesting point

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<v Speaker 1>with with panoptic mirror, and it gives.

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<v Speaker 2>Me a farewell.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a very very very corner case situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna happen very often forever. Oh it's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna happen good, and it's gonna just be demoralizing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll talk about that tomorrow when we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the panoptic mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>I got I got one more thing to say. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a cool pre show thing. Okay, So I'm pulling

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<v Speaker 2>up the article from Gavin from last week or whenever

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<v Speaker 2>it came out to see the updates to the brackets

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<v Speaker 2>and the game changers in the band list and all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff. And I saw Panoptic Mirrors unbanned, and I went,

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<v Speaker 2>what what I just said this, Carl'll never get unbanned.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm freaking yeah, oh my God. Immediately go into my

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<v Speaker 2>ball box. I'm flipping through the artifacts because I know

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<v Speaker 2>there's a Panoptic mirror way at the back of the

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<v Speaker 2>freaking bulk section, like the second last card. I'm flipping

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<v Speaker 2>through fucking memory Jar found one, and I'm like, wow, man, Memory,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna trade this in. It's gonna be like a

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I did when I went to look

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<v Speaker 1>for my Panoptic minor, I cried because I traded them

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<v Speaker 1>in like three weeks ago at the local game stores

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<v Speaker 1>that I could make money for final fantasy cards.

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<v Speaker 2>That is your final fantasy because now you've run out

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<v Speaker 2>of money. That's mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the truth. I wasn't gonna play it anyway. I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to see. If I had one, I probably

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<v Speaker 1>would have traded them in any way. Yeah, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know other people are gonna want them significantly

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<v Speaker 1>more than I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, way more excited than you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm actually gonna play it him a

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel deck. I'll eat my hat. But Smitty wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>borrow my Panoptic Mirror because we don't play with proxies.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, I want to put it in my

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<v Speaker 2>calend deck because I cast from exile and Panoptic mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's you cast. So it's like he was totally

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<v Speaker 2>using it fair just to play like all card draw

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<v Speaker 2>spells that have fortel, but I can do it every

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<v Speaker 2>turn or this is my suspend deck. It casts from exile, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, sure, sure, if that's how I run

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<v Speaker 2>into Panoptic Mirror in bracket three and maybe four, yep. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like more expensive freaking isochronceptor.

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<v Speaker 1>They can get better stuff. But we'll get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>Podt tomorrow as well tomorrow for eighty nine band restricted

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<v Speaker 2>no not restricted band game changers and.

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<v Speaker 1>Once they are kicked off the list, kicked off the list?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how would you feel if you're a game changer

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<v Speaker 2>kicked off the list?

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<v Speaker 1>I initially read the MTG Goldfish article that came out

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<v Speaker 1>like right after the announcement was made, and it had

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake on it. Did you see that one? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't Trouble in Pairs that was taken off the

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<v Speaker 1>game changer list. It was smothering tithe Oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, uh, what are they thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>What the what the fuck world are we living in?

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<v Speaker 1>And there we are so good. So I went like

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<v Speaker 1>half a day thinking, man, these guys are idiots. We

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<v Speaker 1>should be on the panel because we're not idiots, and

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<v Speaker 1>we just unbanned mostly well.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually we oh well we would do.

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<v Speaker 1>That, yes, because we're idiots.

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