WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I bet it's a tune that is enjoyed by my

2
00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:07.440
<v Speaker 1>final guests today, Last but not least, my good friend

3
00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:13.480
<v Speaker 1>from a Havas Tarah congregation in Stoughton, Massachusetts, Rabbi Jonathan

4
00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.679
<v Speaker 1>house Me Houseman joins me this afternoon.

5
00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to kay sir.

6
00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. You're becoming a real pro at the sitting

7
00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:22.519
<v Speaker 3>guy's name.

8
00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you, thank you after years of interview

9
00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:26.320
<v Speaker 2>with you.

10
00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:31.399
<v Speaker 1>And is that kind of yeah? I have to draw

11
00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:33.560
<v Speaker 1>it in or at least that's how I view it.

12
00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:36.159
<v Speaker 2>How about BB King, Oh.

13
00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:40.200
<v Speaker 3>God, I'll tell you know, love him all right, listen.

14
00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.079
<v Speaker 3>I like the three Kings of the Blues, BB, Freddie

15
00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.560
<v Speaker 3>and Albert. Yeah, but I gotta tell you I got

16
00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.159
<v Speaker 3>a special place in my heart for Albert Collins. And

17
00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:53.359
<v Speaker 3>nobody played guitar like that. He played guitar like the

18
00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:58.159
<v Speaker 3>guitar was either a trumpet or a piano. Just absolute magnificent.

19
00:00:58.240 --> 00:00:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Master of the telecaster.

20
00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I have to tell tell you, yeah that I almost

21
00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:05.439
<v Speaker 1>plugged in an Albert Collins song, but I decided this

22
00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:07.079
<v Speaker 1>one because I was enjoying it.

23
00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, well, well good enough, I will tell you that

24
00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.120
<v Speaker 3>there you can find it on YouTube. That's a I

25
00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:20.400
<v Speaker 3>think it's from Greeley, Colorado. A great, great show by

26
00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.680
<v Speaker 3>the magnificent Ronnie Baker Brooks, whom I saw, Yeahlee back

27
00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:24.599
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of May.

28
00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Is this the one this week? Was he there this

29
00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.799
<v Speaker 1>weekend at the Greeley Blues Jam?

30
00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:32.359
<v Speaker 3>He might have been, but you can find this one.

31
00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:35.159
<v Speaker 3>I think it was twenty nineteen. And I following Ronnie

32
00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Baker Brooks for a long time in another great great guitarist,

33
00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:41.200
<v Speaker 3>great blues guitars.

34
00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:44.439
<v Speaker 1>He has a new album out and on that album

35
00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:48.599
<v Speaker 1>is a great song Robbing Peter, Robbing from Peter to

36
00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:49.519
<v Speaker 1>pay Paul.

37
00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.760
<v Speaker 2>And I played that last week as a bumper filling in.

38
00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:55.439
<v Speaker 2>It's awesome, It's fantastic he played.

39
00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:57.680
<v Speaker 3>He played it at death as as a matter of fact.

40
00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.000
<v Speaker 3>And the great thing is, you're gonna die when I

41
00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:03.719
<v Speaker 3>tell you who followed him, Kenny Wayne Shepherd being.

42
00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:05.319
<v Speaker 2>There you go, there you go.

43
00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.719
<v Speaker 1>And we talked about that one because I saw them

44
00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:11.719
<v Speaker 1>last month when they were here through Denver Paramount.

45
00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:15.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, great, so great act, great shows. See of course,

46
00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.800
<v Speaker 3>Well let's face it. I mean the world is a flame,

47
00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.800
<v Speaker 3>and yes, you know you talk about the situation of

48
00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Jews Blues. I've said this on the show previously, previously

49
00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:30.439
<v Speaker 3>over the years with you. You know, if you talk

50
00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.199
<v Speaker 3>about the quintessent the Jewish musical art form, of the

51
00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:37.080
<v Speaker 3>quintessential musical art form form that should speak to the

52
00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Jews and the Jewish condition and whatnot, it has to

53
00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.560
<v Speaker 3>be the blues. Just has to be the blues. And

54
00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's nice that if you're Jewish, if you're Jewish,

55
00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:49.360
<v Speaker 3>it's nice to have friends out there like Gabe Evans.

56
00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:50.879
<v Speaker 3>You've got a good congressman there.

57
00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.360
<v Speaker 1>There you go, and we'll get to Gabe at a moment.

58
00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I do want you to explain that, I mean maybe

59
00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:59.879
<v Speaker 1>intuitive for folks, but explain why is blues the music

60
00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the Jews?

61
00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:08.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, well, look what if what what does the blues do?

62
00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:12.560
<v Speaker 3>It takes your life's situation, explains it in music and

63
00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.039
<v Speaker 3>tries to lighten your lighten your load, and lighten your mood.

64
00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:18.680
<v Speaker 3>And you know, there is light at the end of

65
00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:22.280
<v Speaker 3>the tunnel, whether you're talking about uh, love that has

66
00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:26.080
<v Speaker 3>been das something that's unrequited, whatever the situation is. And

67
00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.879
<v Speaker 3>you know, it speaks to people who were on the

68
00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:32.159
<v Speaker 3>move and see, you know this has been the quintessential

69
00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:37.759
<v Speaker 3>Jewish experience over the past at least twenty three hundred years.

70
00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:39.719
<v Speaker 3>And I'll be honest with yeah, I probably can argue

71
00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:45.120
<v Speaker 3>four thousand years, so you know, and not without not

72
00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.000
<v Speaker 3>without fault. It should be mentioned that you know, a

73
00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.680
<v Speaker 3>lot of these blues artists and it was called race

74
00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:56.840
<v Speaker 3>music back then. You know, you know, it was Jews

75
00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:59.080
<v Speaker 3>who helped to record and promote a lot of these

76
00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.759
<v Speaker 3>absolutely magnificent artists. And it's we're not just talking about

77
00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:08.599
<v Speaker 3>people like the King quote, Boys of the Close quote,

78
00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:12.240
<v Speaker 3>or or Albert Collins or any of these other people.

79
00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.800
<v Speaker 3>But you know, you're talking about go back to to uh,

80
00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, Chess Records, and he was who he was

81
00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.800
<v Speaker 3>recording with Muddy Waters and and and.

82
00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the list goes on Wolf, that's right.

83
00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.360
<v Speaker 3>And he's the one who you know, Leonard Chess with

84
00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:32.959
<v Speaker 3>with Chuck Berry and whatnot. You want to go back

85
00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.360
<v Speaker 3>even further, talk about Jimmy Reid and who recorded Jimmy

86
00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:38.120
<v Speaker 3>Reid and things of that sort. So this is what

87
00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:39.000
<v Speaker 3>you end up finding.

88
00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:40.120
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

89
00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.519
<v Speaker 1>Rabbi Jonathan Houseman our guest, the man who has hosted

90
00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:50.040
<v Speaker 1>blues festivals at his Synagogue in Stoughton, Massachusetts. I want

91
00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to jump into a couple of things with you this afternoon, Rabbi.

92
00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.879
<v Speaker 1>One of them you mentioned, Congressman Gabe Evans, and he

93
00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:02.120
<v Speaker 1>joined by the four other Republican congressmen and women. The

94
00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:07.199
<v Speaker 1>three others from Colorado, Jeff Crank, Lauren Bobert, and Jeff Hurd,

95
00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:12.160
<v Speaker 1>all put forward a resolution that had such resounding support

96
00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:13.480
<v Speaker 1>overall from.

97
00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.319
<v Speaker 2>Enough of a majority to get it passed.

98
00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.959
<v Speaker 1>They were able to go through suspension of the rules

99
00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:22.879
<v Speaker 1>to fast track this resolution condemning anti Semitism in particularly

100
00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:27.639
<v Speaker 1>the terrible tragic attack two Sundays ago June first, a

101
00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:33.120
<v Speaker 1>terrorist attack by Mohammed Sabri Solomon, an Egyptian national here

102
00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:37.439
<v Speaker 1>illegally in the United States, where he burned Jews in

103
00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:44.079
<v Speaker 1>public on Pearl Street Mall. Absolutely horrifying. And yet despite

104
00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:49.839
<v Speaker 1>this powerful resolution, one hundred and thirteen Democrats voted against it,

105
00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:55.519
<v Speaker 1>whereas zero Republicans voted against it. Your twofold reactions, Rabbi,

106
00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:58.480
<v Speaker 1>to both the attack in Boulder and sort of what

107
00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:02.160
<v Speaker 1>message that sends or what that teaches us about what's

108
00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.600
<v Speaker 1>happening in this moment, and also this resolution put forward

109
00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:07.839
<v Speaker 1>by Congressman Evans had passed by the House.

110
00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, look, I have to be honest with you. I

111
00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.720
<v Speaker 3>think really for me taking a look at this, you know,

112
00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.639
<v Speaker 3>I can't separate the two. They are conflated. And I

113
00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.879
<v Speaker 3>really and I listen. Kudos again, kudos to Gabe Evans

114
00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:26.279
<v Speaker 3>was a sponsor this. How he got seventy five Democrats

115
00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.879
<v Speaker 3>to vote on that bill, I think is nothing sort

116
00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.560
<v Speaker 3>of remarkable, But I think what it really speaks to

117
00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:35.680
<v Speaker 3>us if anybody has any lingering DOWNCID vote whether jew

118
00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.519
<v Speaker 3>hatred and I preferred that term rather than anti semitism,

119
00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:44.920
<v Speaker 3>the jew hatred in America has exploded. I mean, take

120
00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.120
<v Speaker 3>a look at that vote. Take a look at that vote.

121
00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:51.720
<v Speaker 3>It's the pure numbers of the vote. Twenty five twenty

122
00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:55.240
<v Speaker 3>six percent, roughly a quarter of the House of Representatives

123
00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Monday night voted against condemning anti Semitic terrorism. Think about that.

124
00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:05.439
<v Speaker 3>Think about that. You know, when the House took its

125
00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:07.639
<v Speaker 3>role call vote and I was watching this, you know,

126
00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:13.800
<v Speaker 3>resolution for eighty something or other, you know, you know,

127
00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:20.000
<v Speaker 3>it's a resolution denouncing this particular antisemit anti Semitic therist

128
00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.720
<v Speaker 3>attack in Boulder. Yeah, had one hundred and thirteen Democrats

129
00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.800
<v Speaker 3>were refused. Members of the House of Representment refused to

130
00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:34.839
<v Speaker 3>condemn the violence. It's just an absolutely disturbing development. And

131
00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:40.199
<v Speaker 3>I really think underneath it all, it's something that Melanie

132
00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.399
<v Speaker 3>Phillips has written and spoken about over the past couple

133
00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.079
<v Speaker 3>of months since The Relationships, her latest book. You know,

134
00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:54.680
<v Speaker 3>it really demonstrates how completely progressive ideology has warped morality

135
00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:58.839
<v Speaker 3>and ethical views and a moral worldview, you know. And

136
00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.240
<v Speaker 3>it's and it and the Halls of Congress now it's

137
00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:05.560
<v Speaker 3>not enough. And she wrote listen and Melody Phillips writes

138
00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.079
<v Speaker 3>about it from the point of view was being a

139
00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:11.839
<v Speaker 3>British citizen. I mean, she's Jewish, but a British citizen,

140
00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:15.519
<v Speaker 3>and what it's done to the House of Commons and

141
00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:20.160
<v Speaker 3>the Labor Party over in Britain. And unfortunately, it's not

142
00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:25.759
<v Speaker 3>just it's not just consigned to the Labor Party, you know,

143
00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.040
<v Speaker 3>it is really infiltrated to a lot of members in

144
00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:32.639
<v Speaker 3>the Conservative Party, the Tory Party over there. So this

145
00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:39.519
<v Speaker 3>warping of morality is such that you can't condemn violent,

146
00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:45.559
<v Speaker 3>racialized attacks against some segment of the population. And it's

147
00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.720
<v Speaker 3>not just Boulder, it's the kids who were those two

148
00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:53.840
<v Speaker 3>kids who were hunted down in Washington, DC and had

149
00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:58.600
<v Speaker 3>twenty one bullets pumped into their bodies? Okay, or the

150
00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:03.480
<v Speaker 3>rabbi was attacked in Brooklyn. I mean, this is this

151
00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:08.240
<v Speaker 3>is just yeah, at an unbelievable moment where we're living,

152
00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:12.960
<v Speaker 3>and I just want to just said one thing. The

153
00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:17.120
<v Speaker 3>absolute violence that you see today is not something that

154
00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:20.200
<v Speaker 3>I grew up with. But I grew up with a

155
00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.759
<v Speaker 3>lot of this anti Jewish family and anti Jewish sentiment.

156
00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.879
<v Speaker 3>I mean I remember as a kid where I grew

157
00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:33.080
<v Speaker 3>up clubs with signs that said no Jews allowed. This

158
00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.360
<v Speaker 3>is my lifetime, my life. Now.

159
00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:42.559
<v Speaker 1>There was another resolution, also passed unanimously by the House

160
00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:47.360
<v Speaker 1>with Democrats on board, that also had done a condemnation

161
00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:51.759
<v Speaker 1>of anti Semitism, but it seemed both to be much

162
00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:55.919
<v Speaker 1>less powerful and impactful. But also the Democrats would claim

163
00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.000
<v Speaker 1>that they voted and I think all Colorado Democrats voted

164
00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.000
<v Speaker 1>against the resolution, and we've been talking about four eighty five,

165
00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.279
<v Speaker 1>and they would say, oh, well, there was a there

166
00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:07.960
<v Speaker 1>was a gratitude express to Ice, and we can't express

167
00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.679
<v Speaker 1>gratitude to Ice, And at least that was their excuse

168
00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:14.320
<v Speaker 1>for not supporting this resolution from gave Evans.

169
00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:19.679
<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable, just unbelievable, this nexus at which we find ourselves.

170
00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:23.480
<v Speaker 3>And by the way, when you talk about ICE, you're

171
00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:29.440
<v Speaker 3>talking about law enforcement agents of the federal government who

172
00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.120
<v Speaker 3>were doing their jobs.

173
00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm being told that Joan de Goose actually

174
00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:39.120
<v Speaker 1>did vote for the Evans resolution, but I'm I think so,

175
00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:40.960
<v Speaker 1>But the other Democrats have believed didn't.

176
00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:44.559
<v Speaker 3>Right, And it's and listen with regard to Ice and

177
00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:48.080
<v Speaker 3>what's happening in their and their excuses and everything that

178
00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:56.639
<v Speaker 3>those kinds of statements and behaviors ends up giving fuel

179
00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.320
<v Speaker 3>to the fire for what we see now in Los

180
00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Angeles and in Chicago, New York. Just I mean, just

181
00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:11.200
<v Speaker 3>today it was announced that the governor, I think it

182
00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.320
<v Speaker 3>was the governor of Texas, maybe it was the Attorney General,

183
00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Ken Paxton of Texas already preventatively, I've called up units

184
00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:25.559
<v Speaker 3>of the National Guards to cities like San Antonio. It's planning.

185
00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's this big plan for massive rallies this

186
00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.840
<v Speaker 3>coming weekend. And you know, they want to make sure

187
00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:35.320
<v Speaker 3>that everybody understands. You want to you want to express yourself,

188
00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:41.519
<v Speaker 3>you express yourself. Yeah, you know, in a civilized manner.

189
00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.799
<v Speaker 3>You don't go hunting for the other side to harm me.

190
00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.840
<v Speaker 2>That should be just not any questions. There are no

191
00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:53.080
<v Speaker 2>question whatsoever. And yet we have excuse making here.

192
00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:57.039
<v Speaker 1>In Colorado Rabbi Jonathan Houseman from people saying, oh, this

193
00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.639
<v Speaker 1>is Zionism, and so that was really what this is about,

194
00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:04.399
<v Speaker 1>is this guy was anti Zionism. But quite frankly, Zionism

195
00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:07.759
<v Speaker 1>is code for juke. That's what it is, plain and simple,

196
00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:11.919
<v Speaker 1>and just a political cover for them to provide that

197
00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:16.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of justification for violence, right.

198
00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:21.000
<v Speaker 3>And not just the code for justification for violence. But

199
00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:25.000
<v Speaker 3>you take it a step further ward. Israel has become

200
00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:28.440
<v Speaker 3>the Jew of the world, as it were. So all

201
00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.120
<v Speaker 3>of this is all, all of this is all in

202
00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:36.600
<v Speaker 3>this crock pot, you know. And if you read Dave

203
00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.279
<v Speaker 3>Evans's resolution, and by the way, I sent them a

204
00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.279
<v Speaker 3>note of thanks to be to be honest with you,

205
00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.519
<v Speaker 3>you know what did he do? You know, his resolution,

206
00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:52.399
<v Speaker 3>if I recall correctly affirm that free and open communication

207
00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:57.720
<v Speaker 3>is a bedrock of our society. But it's also a

208
00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:03.360
<v Speaker 3>bedrock of public safety. And you know, it's it's one

209
00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:08.519
<v Speaker 3>thing to express yourself, it's another thing when you talk

210
00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:15.480
<v Speaker 3>about potential terrorist attacks, and yeah, yeah, listen with regard

211
00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:17.440
<v Speaker 3>to Boulder was a terrorist attack.

212
00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:19.879
<v Speaker 1>It was without question, which is why I was glad

213
00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:23.279
<v Speaker 1>to see the FBI not a dance around the issue.

214
00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:27.320
<v Speaker 1>But immediately Bongino in particular put out a statement saying,

215
00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:30.159
<v Speaker 1>we're investigating this as an active terror and we have

216
00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.559
<v Speaker 1>our agents on the ground already looking into it.

217
00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I want to shift gears.

218
00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:36.559
<v Speaker 1>We just got a couple more minutes with you, Rabbi

219
00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:40.919
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Houseman, our guests from Stowton, Massachusetts. There is a

220
00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:45.440
<v Speaker 1>piece in the New York Times yesterday by columnist Thomas Friedman.

221
00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:50.039
<v Speaker 1>This Israeli government is a danger to Jews everywhere, And

222
00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.559
<v Speaker 1>of course he condemns the attack. He says, you know

223
00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:57.879
<v Speaker 1>all all those things, but he says that if Israel

224
00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.159
<v Speaker 1>goes ahead with net and Yahoo's value to perpetuate this

225
00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:05.559
<v Speaker 1>war indefinitely, to try to achieve total victory over every

226
00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:10.200
<v Speaker 1>last Hamasnik, along with the far rights fantasy of ridding

227
00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Gaza of Palestinians and resettling it with Israelis, Jews worldwide

228
00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.519
<v Speaker 1>better prepare themselves, their children, and their grandchildren for a

229
00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:25.240
<v Speaker 1>reality they've never known. To be Jewish in a world

230
00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:29.879
<v Speaker 1>where the Jewish state is a pariah state, a source

231
00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of shame, not of pride.

232
00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:33.279
<v Speaker 2>And then he goes on.

233
00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:38.080
<v Speaker 1>To site letters from former Israeli military leaders that are saying.

234
00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:42.200
<v Speaker 2>We condemn Hamas and what happened. The war was fully.

235
00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:44.919
<v Speaker 1>Justified, but this is a moment of recording it's not

236
00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.200
<v Speaker 1>too late, and saying it became clear that this was

237
00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:53.399
<v Speaker 1>that this was losing its strategic and security purposes and

238
00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:58.639
<v Speaker 1>instead served primarily the political and personal interests of the government.

239
00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:02.399
<v Speaker 1>That from a couple of military leaders. Friedman quotes, what

240
00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:04.960
<v Speaker 1>is your reaction to all I just threw at your rabbi?

241
00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.799
<v Speaker 3>I discount Thomas Friedman almost one hundred percent. To be

242
00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.120
<v Speaker 3>honest with you, this is a guy who believes that

243
00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:18.000
<v Speaker 3>individual countries and individual people must sacrifice some degree of

244
00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:21.679
<v Speaker 3>if you're talking about countries, economic sovereignty and things of

245
00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:26.080
<v Speaker 3>that sort to global institutions, and if you're an individual,

246
00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:29.720
<v Speaker 3>you have to sacrifice some of your individuality and personal

247
00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:34.240
<v Speaker 3>freedoms for the greater goods. This is what this guy promotes.

248
00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:39.679
<v Speaker 3>He is He is a classic leftist who has always

249
00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.840
<v Speaker 3>since his first book, from Beirut to Jerusalem in nineteen

250
00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:49.200
<v Speaker 3>eighty two. All right, has just been an absolute critic

251
00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:54.480
<v Speaker 3>of Israel, unless you're talking about the very leftist people

252
00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:59.000
<v Speaker 3>you can find running the government itself. This is just

253
00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:05.240
<v Speaker 3>classical Freeman, you know. And it's interesting his position because

254
00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:09.919
<v Speaker 3>probably the prime organization today in Israel that deals with

255
00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Israel's national security issues and policy development as an organization

256
00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.840
<v Speaker 3>in the Hebrews called how b horn Eastim, which means

257
00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.120
<v Speaker 3>the Security Experts and English, it's the Israel Defense and

258
00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.559
<v Speaker 3>Security Form. And you know, maybe Jimmy, we should talk

259
00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:26.960
<v Speaker 3>offline because I know a number of the people from

260
00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:29.399
<v Speaker 3>the IDSF. See if I can get one of them

261
00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.679
<v Speaker 3>next time you're on the air. Okay, A lot of

262
00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:42.080
<v Speaker 3>this organization outweighs former military people out of the IVF

263
00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.879
<v Speaker 3>regarding support for the prosecution of the sword by approximately

264
00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:51.679
<v Speaker 3>twenty three to one. Look, I mean, you can find

265
00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.919
<v Speaker 3>people here in the United States that support just about

266
00:16:53.919 --> 00:17:00.399
<v Speaker 3>any position you want as well. Of course, overwhelmingly Arry

267
00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.759
<v Speaker 3>veterans are supportive of the government and what the government

268
00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:07.480
<v Speaker 3>sees as what needs to be done in terms of

269
00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:12.359
<v Speaker 3>prosecuting the war that was forced on Israel. All Right,

270
00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:16.680
<v Speaker 3>on October seventh, twenty twenty three, which mister, honestly, I

271
00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:19.440
<v Speaker 3>will tell you what I said to my congregation the

272
00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:23.839
<v Speaker 3>following week, which was, if you never had grandparents who

273
00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:27.359
<v Speaker 3>experienced the pagrum in Europe, now you're seeing what a

274
00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.400
<v Speaker 3>pagrum looks like, because that's what that was. Wow.

275
00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.160
<v Speaker 1>And on that powerful note, we need to leave it there,

276
00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:40.359
<v Speaker 1>my friend, Rabbi Jonathan Hausman, Havath Torah Congregation in Stoton, Massachusetts.

277
00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Always good to talk with you, even in these most

278
00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:48.400
<v Speaker 1>distressing times. And you know we are all here very

279
00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.559
<v Speaker 1>supportive of the Jewish people of the State of Israel

280
00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.279
<v Speaker 1>and can't be more important at this time.

281
00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.559
<v Speaker 3>Jimmy, you've been true glue and are there any for you?

282
00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:05.480
<v Speaker 3>But I will have one request next time we're on Cleverdones.

283
00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:09.720
<v Speaker 3>No King Christ Christ, kingfish Ingram.

284
00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay, he is coming to the Blues from the Top

285
00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:13.680
<v Speaker 1>festival last weekend of the month.

286
00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:15.200
<v Speaker 2>So I've seen him live.

287
00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.440
<v Speaker 3>I've seen it. I've seen him. You gotta go see him.

288
00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, he is phenomenal. Rabbi Jonathan Houseman, once again,

289
00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:22.400
<v Speaker 1>thank you, my friend.

290
00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:25.000
<v Speaker 3>And God bless you too. Should be fine.

291
00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:26.240
<v Speaker 2>That is it for me today.

292
00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:29.799
<v Speaker 1>But from Friday through Wednesday, I will be back in

293
00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:36.640
<v Speaker 1>the saddle for the traveling Mandy Connell calavanting around the world.

294
00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:38.319
<v Speaker 2>It is so good to be with you today.

295
00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.319
<v Speaker 1>Be sure to check out my website Jimmy Sangenburger dot com,

296
00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.640
<v Speaker 1>from my latest columns to podcasts and more. All ease,

297
00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.000
<v Speaker 1>all the time, and singing burger. Once you know that.

298
00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Sang and Burger is easy, have a great day.

299
00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:58.480
<v Speaker 1>See you on Friday, And as I always say, may

300
00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:02.119
<v Speaker 1>God bless the United States of America.