WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:30.920 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willisher, host, 2 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:34.840 excited to have Darcy Weir on once again. He's got 3 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:39.560 a new doctor series out Pascagoula, and I watched the 4 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:42.359 first episode of that. I loved it, and so I'll 5 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:43.880 be talking to him in just a few minutes. I 6 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:47.439 want to thank everyone that supports the show, and if 7 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:49.840 you would like to listen to the audio commercial free. 8 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:52.920 You can always support the show for a three dollars 9 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.560 or more a month over at Patreon, and that links 10 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.039 right on our website podcastufo dot com. You can always 11 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:03.479 watch it live Tuesday nights on Facebook, YouTube and other 12 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:07.719 platforms right here at seven o'clock every Tuesday night, my 13 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.760 commercial free of course, and you can also participate in 14 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:13.439 the chat room like so many people do. Speaking of that, 15 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:17.120 this is a pre recorded show. I generally am live, 16 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.560 but I'm going to be away from phone and internet 17 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:22.439 while this is aired, so unfortunately I won't be able 18 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.079 to check in. But I do all my pre recorded 19 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:28.680 shows just as if they were alive. I don't edit them. 20 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:31.959 I just do them and put them up, and that's 21 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:35.120 what we're going to do tonight. Before I get going 22 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:38.040 with Darcy. I just want to play the trailer and 23 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:44.200 this is for the upcoming available. It's available now. The 24 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:49.760 Pascagoula Show, the docu series Part one is here's the 25 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.239 trailer for that whole series right here. Normal here something 26 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.200 a huge banks You own a sure, but think for 27 00:01:56.319 --> 00:01:59.480 something that for the supposed to evel E says. 28 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.840 Singoula seventy three, is is the case we should be 29 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:08.120 concentrating on. It's almost perfect. Two witnesses interviewers at the 30 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:10.520 sheriff interviews at the air Force base. 31 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:12.639 But it appeared to me there was about thirty or 32 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:17.680 forty football and maybe of eight or ten foot high. 33 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.479 Lots of other sightings, things seen in the river. All 34 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:23.599 the witnesses who good on the opposite side of the 35 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:24.080 river that. 36 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.759 Night even asked that in him the forty nine, I 37 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.240 would be saying there's somebody out there on the field. 38 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:33.319 And he said, yes, I do, and he said a 39 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:34.199 lot about that. 40 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:37.120 I did see what they said that you've seen, but 41 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.759 I didn't know people to think that was crazy. 42 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.439 And all and on we go. He even made its 43 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:45.240 way into popular culture. Even water kronkiit covered. 44 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:47.479 The story each now they're one reports of the UFO 45 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:49.719 sightings in many parts of the country, but especially in 46 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:50.520 the Golf Coast. 47 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.479 One newspaper put a sketch of a supposed extra terrestrial 48 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:54.840 visitor on the front page. 49 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.879 His abduction and other people as well coming forward, saying, 50 00:02:58.879 --> 00:02:59.960 I saw this down there. 51 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:01.240 I don't know what it was. 52 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:03.560 I know it wasn't a plane or a helicopter. 53 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:04.639 So I opened the. 54 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.360 Door after a few seconds to step out to see 55 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:08.080 if I could. 56 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:09.080 Really tell what it was. 57 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.439 Just took out on the case, just. 58 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:12.960 Took off from that. 59 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.800 Calvin park I was questioned with him, and at one 60 00:03:17.840 --> 00:03:21.919 time he wanted to climb the wall. How nervous I 61 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.680 shook up he was, And then the examiner he began 62 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.680 to wander himself. So he ran the third test, and 63 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.120 he believed just what Missus Pickton had told him, because 64 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:33.120 you would believe them. 65 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.199 Then, Oh, yes, there's no doubt what soever that they 66 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:36.039 were telling the truth. 67 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.639 The sheriff who was involved for Sherry Preck Diamonds two 68 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:41.159 nights later you have these only. 69 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:44.800 With first these things weren't being They wouldn't row bow back. Yeah, 70 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.960 but I believe the bens that that has contacted me 71 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:53.080 since then was the bens that were controlling these rule bots. 72 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:58.560 His fantasies are fight It is the greatest threat to 73 00:03:58.639 --> 00:03:59.840 the well being of the people. 74 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:00.840 Let's make sure. 75 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:04.240 I think they had had a drink. 76 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:12.400 That's just what I think about. Well, they didn't have 77 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.599 a drink, but anyway, welcome to the show, Darcy. 78 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.959 Hey, good to see you. Thanks for having me on again. Dan. 79 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:22.360 Yeah, now, I got to tell you that that was great. 80 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:27.680 I really enjoyed, you know, part one, because well, you know, 81 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.680 I'll get into that more, but you know, Charles Hixson 82 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.279 to to hear his side of it, that was the 83 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:35.560 part I was lacking, and so that was really great, 84 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:40.480 great animations. You did a really good job. But let's 85 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.399 for the person and I always have to look at 86 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.879 it this way and hopefully you'll agree with me. But 87 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.079 there's new people paying attention to this topic all the time, 88 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:52.000 so a lot of people don't know about the past 89 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.879 cool incident which happened, I believe October eleventh, nineteen seventy three. 90 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:57.560 Is that is that correct? 91 00:04:58.040 --> 00:04:58.279 Yeah? 92 00:04:58.399 --> 00:04:59.720 Yeah, So let's just do a. 93 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:01.120 Nuts out about the whole thing. 94 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:07.600 Nutchell, State of Mississippi. It's nighttime, October eleventh, nineteen seventy three. 95 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:13.680 You know, we're in the seventies, the groovy what do 96 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:18.720 you call it? Just post hivy era. And Calvin Parker, 97 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:23.319 who's nineteen years old, was working with a friend at 98 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:31.199 a shipyard on the Pascagoula River in Mississippi. His friend, 99 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:37.000 Charlie Hickson, is forty two years old. They decided after 100 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:42.120 work to go fishing on the river. And Calvin just 101 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.319 bought a brand new car. I believe it was a Rambler, 102 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:51.639 a nice sporty car. He was looking forward to driving 103 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:55.759 out and going for this little fishing expedition with his 104 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:02.399 older friendn't have just gotten this job actually at the 105 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:08.360 shipyard because of Charlie Hickson. Charlie is friends with Calvin's dad. 106 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:14.839 They're of the same age, and that's how they know 107 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:20.040 each other. And so they're fishing that night and having 108 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.639 a chat, and all of a sudden, they see this 109 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:27.360 blue light sort of emanating from behind them. They I 110 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.160 think they see something at a distance at first, and 111 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.120 then it's right up on them. And when they turn around, 112 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:41.240 there's three beings that appear to be hovering or floating 113 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:45.360 down to them from the craft. They can't see that 114 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:49.879 well because it's so bright, and they're picked up by 115 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:55.040 these beings, taken aboard this craft and they're abducted, and 116 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.240 they both have their own sort of story regard darding 117 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:06.319 this abduction, their own experiences, and we did this series. 118 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:10.680 Pasca Gula is seventy three in a four part treatment. 119 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:16.199 So the first episode is Charlie Hickson's experience, the second 120 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:23.000 episode is Calvin Parker's, the third is Maria and Jerry Blair, 121 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.519 which are these other witnesses that say they were abducted 122 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:32.199 across the same river that night. And the fourth episode 123 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.560 is kind of a bit of a biography on Philip Mantle, 124 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.720 the narrator of the whole story, and how this British 125 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.279 lad got involved with a Mississippi abduction case. 126 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.959 Yeah, so I gotta tell you I actually have a 127 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:51.480 little bit of a part in this. And not that 128 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:53.279 they need to brag or any here or pat myself 129 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:57.800 in the back, but I connected Calvin with Philip. I 130 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.160 don't know if you mention that, you know what happened 131 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:04.600 was this is really I think it's a fun story. 132 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.920 I had this show since twenty eleven, I think was 133 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.199 twenty twelve or thirteen. I had right away I had 134 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:14.560 a listener that a very smart guy named Michael Louk, 135 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.000 and he said he wanted to write some blogs for me, 136 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:21.120 and he was also he would be like doing UFO news. 137 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:23.120 And he was a great guy, really sharp. We had 138 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:27.639 a really good rapport. So anyway, he writes this blog 139 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:32.240 about the Pasca Gula incident. Now, Calvin Parker was nowhere 140 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:34.360 to be seen for about twenty five to thirty years 141 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:37.799 something like that, not doing any interviews or anything. So 142 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.279 one day I get this, I get this email from 143 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.559 the I look at the email and it's gone fishing 144 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.720 something at AOL, you know. And so I get this 145 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:52.840 email and it says he says, I really liked your 146 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.600 story on the pasta Goola. It's very very well done, 147 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.679 very accurate. And then he signs a Calvin Parker. I said, 148 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:04.559 right back, I said, this isn't the Calvin Parker. Isn't 149 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.039 a Rice Back? Yes, I said, I have your number. 150 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.159 Can we talk? So I talked to him and a 151 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:11.320 great guy. 152 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:12.879 Yeah. 153 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.600 Yeah. So I said, hey, would you be a post actually, 154 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.480 do let me interview you. I know you haven't done 155 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.399 one for years and years, And he said sure. So 156 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.840 he came on the show and I'm going to tell 157 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.919 you a really nice little tidbit. I've told this on 158 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.600 this story before, but he was on my show and 159 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:34.919 really and enjoyed. 160 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:35.759 Uh. 161 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:38.080 And I'll get to the Philip Mantle thing, but just 162 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:40.240 a second. One of the great things of me doing 163 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.399 this show was what happened next, and that's what I 164 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.000 did the show with him again. He was out of 165 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.480 you know, out of the public eye for a long time. 166 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.399 So I get the cemil and someone saying, Hi, there, 167 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:55.039 I've been looking for Calvin for a long time. I 168 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:59.600 wondered if you wouldn't mind, you know, forwarding the connection. 169 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.519 So I said sure, So I afford the connection to Calvin. 170 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:06.559 I said, this is someone you know, they wanted me 171 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.200 to afford this email to you. And so he calls 172 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:14.919 me up and goes, that's my estrange daughter. He said, 173 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.840 this is the most wonderful thing. He says, We're talking 174 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.080 every day, They're saying we love each other, and you know, 175 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:24.120 it was like such a such a wonderful thing that 176 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:27.200 they got connected. So I thought that was a really 177 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:29.919 great thing of me doing this. That was one of 178 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.080 the pleasures of doing the show that I can look 179 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.000 back at and say it's amazing it happened. So I 180 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.519 could speak up and hang with him and stuff like that. 181 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.840 But anyway, so Calvin very he says, I've been kind 182 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:42.759 of working on this book about this thing you have, 183 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:46.600 really and so then one day I'm on Facebook and 184 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.279 I see Philip Mantle and he says, does anyone know 185 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.080 how to get a hold of Calvin Parker. I'm thinking 186 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.279 about a book with Calvin Parker. So I said, hey, Philip, yeah, 187 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:57.879 I know how to get a hold of him. And 188 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.600 so I connected the two together and the rest is 189 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.759 history with Philip. And every time I have Philip on 190 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.919 he thanks me for that connection and done a lot 191 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.240 with it. So we should say to the listener and 192 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:14.159 the people watching, you have some construction noise going on. 193 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.799 You can't help it. You're doing You have some carpenters, 194 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:20.679 they are doing some work. So yeah, when you hear 195 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.600 strange noises, it's not aliens. 196 00:11:23.080 --> 00:11:27.679 Yeah yeah, sorry, I'm living in some dust right now. 197 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.799 But that's really interesting. And so we all have you 198 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.879 to think for this docu series then, because. 199 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.240 Well, you know, he probably would have come out. He 200 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.639 probably would have you know, he was ready to talk 201 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.320 about it, So I know yeah, but yeah, I mean 202 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.679 the connection with Philip, Yeah, the whole thing. I'm so 203 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:47.000 glad it worked out like it did. 204 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:50.360 Yeah. So Philip's written I think like three books on 205 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:57.519 this case now, Yeah, and he's very well versed, knows 206 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:02.720 all these different witnesses that have come forward since, and 207 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:05.320 some of them he had to track down, you know 208 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.399 that they didn't even willingly want to come forward, so 209 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:14.320 that brings a bit more credibility to them. But the 210 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:19.240 way I got involved with this film was because Philip 211 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:22.399 reached out to me, you know, so he just kind 212 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.759 of put together the pieces that oh, you know, this 213 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:29.039 guy seems to be able to make documentaries, and he 214 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:33.399 emailed me and said, hey, like we should talk sometime. 215 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.960 I think he could do a really cool documentary on 216 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.840 the Pasca Gooula incident. And at first it was supposed 217 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.240 to be just like one feature length doc, but once 218 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:48.200 he shared with me all of this stuff, like he 219 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:53.679 got these hypnosis sessions done of Calvin Parker and Maria 220 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:57.759 Blair and he was like, I want those to be 221 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.159 just like the whole hypnosis session. So I was like, 222 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:06.720 I can't really just make a documentary just watching somebody 223 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:12.200 lying down talking but then I realized, oh, you know what, 224 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.799 I should do it like this. The first episode will 225 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:19.759 be all Charlie Hickson's story. The second one will be 226 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:23.600 Calvin Parker lying down talking because it says hip knows 227 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:29.720 this session and his perspective and will background on how 228 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:33.440 he was over the decades. The third will be allowing 229 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.759 lying down of Maria Blair, and then the fourth will 230 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.759 be just like, who's this guy? Yeah? You know Philip Mantle, 231 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:45.600 which a lot of people know who he is, yea, 232 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:51.360 but I make my documentaries for everybody, so it's kind 233 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:53.960 of like if you don't know who he is, this 234 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:54.559 is who he is. 235 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.679 Yeah, you know, I had Philip scheduled for the show, 236 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.879 and you know he had that health health issues. He 237 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:04.120 seems to be doing better right now. Yeah, there was 238 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:05.360 a pretty big star on. 239 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.519 You should have him on. I know that he's starting 240 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.360 to open up to like thirty minute interviews now, so 241 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.200 maybe he can get that up to an hour when 242 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:17.200 his health improves a bit better. 243 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:20.080 Yeah, yeah, I am quite booked up, but I will 244 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.000 try to fit him in at some point. But anyway, 245 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:29.039 I just want to talk about episode one because I 246 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:33.879 had heard that Charlie was very active out there and 247 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:38.600 talking about this, and Calvin was reserved basically, you know, 248 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:41.200 in the beginning. But I had no idea he was 249 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.240 talking as much as he did that you portrayed in 250 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:47.240 this in this film. And I love, by the way, 251 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:51.600 I love the vintage little TV, vintage thing. That was brilliant. 252 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:57.879 But yeah, it's very very fun to watch, and really, 253 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.399 you know, I mean I was watching with my producer 254 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:05.840 Slash the better part. Donna and I were sitting there 255 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:08.919 watching and were saying, how can you not believe this guy? 256 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.759 I mean, he's just so you know, it's he's such 257 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:17.240 a credible person. You can't see any you know, red 258 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.360 flags at all when he's talking about it. I mean, 259 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.919 it is bizarre. It's a bizarre case, you know. And 260 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.440 I know, I know you did mention that. You know, 261 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.080 they both seem to have different kind of experiences on board, 262 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:34.080 and one of them, I know that, you know, Calvin 263 00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:38.080 talked about like a female type figure. And Calvin did 264 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:42.159 not see the carrot like protruding. He doesn't remember the 265 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:46.200 carrot like protruding from what maybe the robot type things 266 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:51.000 that came and got them. Charlie remembers them. But when 267 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:54.279 I spoke to Calvin. He said he didn't really remember 268 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:55.720 those features. 269 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.240 He didn't remember spikes coming out of their heads. 270 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.080 That's what Calvin told me, unless he told you something else. 271 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:05.960 But when I interviewed as you just didn't remember that part. 272 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:09.639 He remembered that they had that like gray wrinkly skin 273 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.200 and that they were robotic in nature and they were hovering. 274 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:21.240 They had like those kind of like pincer type hands, right, 275 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:26.679 So I think it was like, you know, seventy five 276 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:32.399 percent and of the same sort of type that Charlie 277 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.600 would have remembered. But Charlie, yeah, he was the one 278 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:38.559 that said spikes for sure. 279 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.440 And you know, I think the best part of this 280 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:46.399 case is the part where they snuck the tape recorder 281 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.559 in the drawer of the desk and we're taping them 282 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:54.080 when they were left alone. Yeah, if you have any 283 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.879 doubts about this case, and then you listen to that, 284 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:58.960 and it's a terrible recording. I've tried to listen to 285 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.120 it over the years, and I don't know if it 286 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:02.519 could ever be cleaned up, but. 287 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.240 I end it though, Yeah, it sounded. 288 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:05.839 Better in your film. 289 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:10.119 I guess it definitely in my opinion, like I ran 290 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.599 it through a pretty good process to bring it up 291 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:15.839 and then be titled the whole thing. 292 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:20.119 So, but I mean they talk about like it really happening. 293 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.079 I mean, if they were putting on a hoax this, 294 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.480 you know, why would they do that when they're alone, 295 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:27.240 sitting there alone. It just it gives one hundred percent 296 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:32.279 credibility in my opinion, to this particular case, which is fantastic. 297 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.119 It's a fantastic case. But I got to tell you, Blair, 298 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:36.640 Maria Blair, is that her name? 299 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:37.440 Is that what you said? 300 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:40.480 I had no idea that she actually. I knew that 301 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.960 there was a witness, and I don't know if I 302 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:45.039 heard her name, but I had no idea that she 303 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.160 was actually claims that she was abducted to mm hm. 304 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:55.839 So that third episode is all dedicated to her story. Apparently, 305 00:17:56.039 --> 00:18:01.640 her and her husband Jerry, the same night, October eleventh, 306 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:07.039 nineteen seventy three, they were on a pier just opposed 307 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:13.480 to Calvin and Charlie across the river, and she was 308 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:16.400 supposed to be going with him to say goodbye to him. 309 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:20.839 They were newly weds and they were supposed to say bye, 310 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.039 and he was going to jump on a fishing trawler 311 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:26.880 with a captain and go away for a few days 312 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:33.559 of work and they got abducted or she got abducted, 313 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:37.200 for sure. She says that in her sort of telling 314 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:40.440 of this whole story, she thinks that he was being 315 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.440 abducted for a while and she was abducted too, And 316 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.759 it's pretty pretty wild, pretty incredible. Her daughter reached out 317 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:57.039 to me after the documentary came out, and she's out 318 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.880 of me too Facebook as a friend, and we've you know, 319 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.880 I've said thank you for your story, and you know, 320 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.000 Philip shared all this stuff with me. I hope you 321 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:12.559 guys enjoyed the film series, so you know, it's it's 322 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:15.839 pretty wild. Abductions seem to be a thing, you know, 323 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:20.440 And I believe that this case is real. I believe 324 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:25.279 that something happened that night that all these there's just 325 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:33.160 so many witnesses that we can point to at least 326 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:38.400 definitely UFO activity in the sky right right, just Calvin 327 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:44.599 Parker and Charlie Hickson's story. But then that's like, well, 328 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:49.319 that's like the big abduction story that people should hear 329 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:55.200 more about. So that's what I think we accomplished here 330 00:19:55.319 --> 00:20:01.279 by providing all this testimony and bringing up the documents 331 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:04.559 and showing all the you know, coverage of it. J 332 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:08.440 Allen Heinek came forward. 333 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.000 And he thought that was a pretty solid case. 334 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:14.359 He did, he did, he proclaimed that, you know, and 335 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.599 this is post project new book where he was saying 336 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:23.240 everything is prosaic, right, And then you got James Harder 337 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:27.160 who came forward. And now there's a lot of really 338 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:31.079 interesting people linked to this case. So I think we 339 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:32.720 did a pretty good representation. 340 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:34.880 I do so far. 341 00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:36.599 Thank you episode one. 342 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.839 And you know what I mean, here's the thing that 343 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:44.599 I was I could see while watching your film that 344 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:47.319 I didn't really know the full story, and that is 345 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:52.079 that the people involved were taking it seriously. There was 346 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.359 no it didn't seem like a lot of ridicule or 347 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.839 anything like that, besides the two cleaning ladies that were 348 00:20:58.279 --> 00:21:01.200 in the newspaper. But everyone else seemed to, you know, 349 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:04.400 like the military, everyone was taking this thing really seriously. 350 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:07.759 As far as you know, the testing. 351 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:13.799 People class, Philip J. Class, he took his usual stance. 352 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:15.640 And oh yeah, yeah, that's to be expected. 353 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:20.599 Yeah, there's other skeptics and debunkers. 354 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:20.839 There. 355 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:27.640 There were people that wrote about I can't remember their names. 356 00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:31.720 It's in the documentary, but there's one guy that said 357 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:38.759 that there were they actually were kidnapped by Russians that 358 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:40.079 came out of a sub. 359 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.279 On the river, which is so ridiculous. 360 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:48.000 Uh, And another one said that they were both suffering 361 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:55.680 from two separate mental conditions, like conditions to account for 362 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:56.680 their story. 363 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:00.359 I mean, you know, I mean, I unders the end 364 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:05.279 being skeptical, but when you're trying to debunk and use 365 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:09.519 crazy things, that's those are all things that are have 366 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.400 to be based on some type of fear element, like 367 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:14.680 this can't be true, so we just have to make 368 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:20.799 this fit somehow, and you know, uh, you know that's 369 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:26.279 it's pure debunkery that you know, it's silly, you know, 370 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.880 like that was the the planet Venus, you know, or 371 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.960 something like that. You know, I mean sometimes it is 372 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.359 a planet Venus, but in this particular case, you know, 373 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.119 it's just the blue light. And I remember him saying 374 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:41.160 like it was a welders arc. It was so bright, 375 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:43.559 you know, coming out of them when the door opened, 376 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.759 that type of thing. Yeah, and they you know, they 377 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.920 you know when you again when you listen to that recording, 378 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:54.200 they were scared. Calvin was really scared. You know, through 379 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.079 this whole thing and and you know, I mean really 380 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:00.799 impacted their life and you know, and a lot of things, 381 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:05.039 you know, you hear I heard people say things like, well, 382 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.480 you know, Calvin's a simple man and all that. He 383 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:09.680 wasn't a simple man. I don't know if you know this, 384 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:13.640 but he he had a major construction company with lots 385 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.839 of people working for him. He did airport infrastructure all 386 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:19.640 over the country, and you know, did very well. He 387 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:24.559 was a smart man, a smart businessman too, and a 388 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.839 great time. I had a lovely time with him and 389 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.599 Waynette in Arizona. We spent a lot of time together, 390 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:34.680 and you know, great, great gentleman, really nice guy and 391 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.640 not a simple man like people try to portray him 392 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:40.920 as he was. And he was funny as hell. He 393 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:41.960 could be so funny. 394 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:49.160 Yeah, Bill imparted some of that you know, humor to me. 395 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:56.160 He said, it was the damnedest thing. I was hired, fired, 396 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.279 and abducted in the same day. 397 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:05.759 Yeah, that would be something he'd say, yeah, yeah, but yeah, 398 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:07.640 so that's quite a case. And you know, I mean, 399 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:13.440 you think of, you know, how here these people are 400 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:17.400 living their lives. Maybe it is kind of a simple life. 401 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:21.119