Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willisher, host,
Speaker 1: excited to have Darcy Weir on once again. He's got
Speaker 1: a new doctor series out Pascagoula, and I watched the
Speaker 1: first episode of that. I loved it, and so I'll
Speaker 1: be talking to him in just a few minutes. I
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Speaker 1: shows just as if they were alive. I don't edit them.
Speaker 1: I just do them and put them up, and that's
Speaker 1: what we're going to do tonight. Before I get going
Speaker 1: with Darcy. I just want to play the trailer and
Speaker 1: this is for the upcoming available. It's available now. The
Speaker 1: Pascagoula Show, the docu series Part one is here's the
Speaker 1: trailer for that whole series right here. Normal here something
Speaker 1: a huge banks You own a sure, but think for
Speaker 1: something that for the supposed to evel E says.
Speaker 2: Singoula seventy three, is is the case we should be
Speaker 2: concentrating on. It's almost perfect. Two witnesses interviewers at the
Speaker 2: sheriff interviews at the air Force base.
Speaker 3: But it appeared to me there was about thirty or
Speaker 3: forty football and maybe of eight or ten foot high.
Speaker 2: Lots of other sightings, things seen in the river. All
Speaker 2: the witnesses who good on the opposite side of the
Speaker 2: river that.
Speaker 4: Night even asked that in him the forty nine, I
Speaker 4: would be saying there's somebody out there on the field.
Speaker 1: And he said, yes, I do, and he said a
Speaker 1: lot about that.
Speaker 4: I did see what they said that you've seen, but
Speaker 4: I didn't know people to think that was crazy.
Speaker 2: And all and on we go. He even made its
Speaker 2: way into popular culture. Even water kronkiit covered.
Speaker 3: The story each now they're one reports of the UFO
Speaker 3: sightings in many parts of the country, but especially in
Speaker 3: the Golf Coast.
Speaker 5: One newspaper put a sketch of a supposed extra terrestrial
Speaker 5: visitor on the front page.
Speaker 2: His abduction and other people as well coming forward, saying,
Speaker 2: I saw this down there.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: I know it wasn't a plane or a helicopter.
Speaker 4: So I opened the.
Speaker 7: Door after a few seconds to step out to see
Speaker 7: if I could.
Speaker 4: Really tell what it was.
Speaker 1: Just took out on the case, just.
Speaker 2: Took off from that.
Speaker 3: Calvin park I was questioned with him, and at one
Speaker 3: time he wanted to climb the wall. How nervous I
Speaker 3: shook up he was, And then the examiner he began
Speaker 3: to wander himself. So he ran the third test, and
Speaker 3: he believed just what Missus Pickton had told him, because
Speaker 3: you would believe them.
Speaker 1: Then, Oh, yes, there's no doubt what soever that they
Speaker 1: were telling the truth.
Speaker 2: The sheriff who was involved for Sherry Preck Diamonds two
Speaker 2: nights later you have these only.
Speaker 3: With first these things weren't being They wouldn't row bow back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I believe the bens that that has contacted me
Speaker 3: since then was the bens that were controlling these rule bots.
Speaker 7: His fantasies are fight It is the greatest threat to
Speaker 7: the well being of the people.
Speaker 1: Let's make sure.
Speaker 4: I think they had had a drink.
Speaker 1: That's just what I think about. Well, they didn't have
Speaker 1: a drink, but anyway, welcome to the show, Darcy.
Speaker 4: Hey, good to see you. Thanks for having me on again. Dan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I got to tell you that that was great.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed, you know, part one, because well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll get into that more, but you know, Charles Hixson
Speaker 1: to to hear his side of it, that was the
Speaker 1: part I was lacking, and so that was really great,
Speaker 1: great animations. You did a really good job. But let's
Speaker 1: for the person and I always have to look at
Speaker 1: it this way and hopefully you'll agree with me. But
Speaker 1: there's new people paying attention to this topic all the time,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people don't know about the past
Speaker 1: cool incident which happened, I believe October eleventh, nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 1: Is that is that correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's just do a.
Speaker 1: Nuts out about the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Nutchell, State of Mississippi. It's nighttime, October eleventh, nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 4: You know, we're in the seventies, the groovy what do
Speaker 4: you call it? Just post hivy era. And Calvin Parker,
Speaker 4: who's nineteen years old, was working with a friend at
Speaker 4: a shipyard on the Pascagoula River in Mississippi. His friend,
Speaker 4: Charlie Hickson, is forty two years old. They decided after
Speaker 4: work to go fishing on the river. And Calvin just
Speaker 4: bought a brand new car. I believe it was a Rambler,
Speaker 4: a nice sporty car. He was looking forward to driving
Speaker 4: out and going for this little fishing expedition with his
Speaker 4: older friendn't have just gotten this job actually at the
Speaker 4: shipyard because of Charlie Hickson. Charlie is friends with Calvin's dad.
Speaker 4: They're of the same age, and that's how they know
Speaker 4: each other. And so they're fishing that night and having
Speaker 4: a chat, and all of a sudden, they see this
Speaker 4: blue light sort of emanating from behind them. They I
Speaker 4: think they see something at a distance at first, and
Speaker 4: then it's right up on them. And when they turn around,
Speaker 4: there's three beings that appear to be hovering or floating
Speaker 4: down to them from the craft. They can't see that
Speaker 4: well because it's so bright, and they're picked up by
Speaker 4: these beings, taken aboard this craft and they're abducted, and
Speaker 4: they both have their own sort of story regard darding
Speaker 4: this abduction, their own experiences, and we did this series.
Speaker 4: Pasca Gula is seventy three in a four part treatment.
Speaker 4: So the first episode is Charlie Hickson's experience, the second
Speaker 4: episode is Calvin Parker's, the third is Maria and Jerry Blair,
Speaker 4: which are these other witnesses that say they were abducted
Speaker 4: across the same river that night. And the fourth episode
Speaker 4: is kind of a bit of a biography on Philip Mantle,
Speaker 4: the narrator of the whole story, and how this British
Speaker 4: lad got involved with a Mississippi abduction case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I gotta tell you I actually have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a part in this. And not that
Speaker 1: they need to brag or any here or pat myself
Speaker 1: in the back, but I connected Calvin with Philip. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you mention that, you know what happened
Speaker 1: was this is really I think it's a fun story.
Speaker 1: I had this show since twenty eleven, I think was
Speaker 1: twenty twelve or thirteen. I had right away I had
Speaker 1: a listener that a very smart guy named Michael Louk,
Speaker 1: and he said he wanted to write some blogs for me,
Speaker 1: and he was also he would be like doing UFO news.
Speaker 1: And he was a great guy, really sharp. We had
Speaker 1: a really good rapport. So anyway, he writes this blog
Speaker 1: about the Pasca Gula incident. Now, Calvin Parker was nowhere
Speaker 1: to be seen for about twenty five to thirty years
Speaker 1: something like that, not doing any interviews or anything. So
Speaker 1: one day I get this, I get this email from
Speaker 1: the I look at the email and it's gone fishing
Speaker 1: something at AOL, you know. And so I get this
Speaker 1: email and it says he says, I really liked your
Speaker 1: story on the pasta Goola. It's very very well done,
Speaker 1: very accurate. And then he signs a Calvin Parker. I said,
Speaker 1: right back, I said, this isn't the Calvin Parker. Isn't
Speaker 1: a Rice Back? Yes, I said, I have your number.
Speaker 1: Can we talk? So I talked to him and a
Speaker 1: great guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I said, hey, would you be a post actually,
Speaker 1: do let me interview you. I know you haven't done
Speaker 1: one for years and years, And he said sure. So
Speaker 1: he came on the show and I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you a really nice little tidbit. I've told this on
Speaker 1: this story before, but he was on my show and
Speaker 1: really and enjoyed.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I'll get to the Philip Mantle thing, but just
Speaker 1: a second. One of the great things of me doing
Speaker 1: this show was what happened next, and that's what I
Speaker 1: did the show with him again. He was out of
Speaker 1: you know, out of the public eye for a long time.
Speaker 1: So I get the cemil and someone saying, Hi, there,
Speaker 1: I've been looking for Calvin for a long time. I
Speaker 1: wondered if you wouldn't mind, you know, forwarding the connection.
Speaker 1: So I said sure, So I afford the connection to Calvin.
Speaker 1: I said, this is someone you know, they wanted me
Speaker 1: to afford this email to you. And so he calls
Speaker 1: me up and goes, that's my estrange daughter. He said,
Speaker 1: this is the most wonderful thing. He says, We're talking
Speaker 1: every day, They're saying we love each other, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was like such a such a wonderful thing that
Speaker 1: they got connected. So I thought that was a really
Speaker 1: great thing of me doing this. That was one of
Speaker 1: the pleasures of doing the show that I can look
Speaker 1: back at and say it's amazing it happened. So I
Speaker 1: could speak up and hang with him and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so Calvin very he says, I've been kind
Speaker 1: of working on this book about this thing you have,
Speaker 1: really and so then one day I'm on Facebook and
Speaker 1: I see Philip Mantle and he says, does anyone know
Speaker 1: how to get a hold of Calvin Parker. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about a book with Calvin Parker. So I said, hey, Philip, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how to get a hold of him. And
Speaker 1: so I connected the two together and the rest is
Speaker 1: history with Philip. And every time I have Philip on
Speaker 1: he thanks me for that connection and done a lot
Speaker 1: with it. So we should say to the listener and
Speaker 1: the people watching, you have some construction noise going on.
Speaker 1: You can't help it. You're doing You have some carpenters,
Speaker 1: they are doing some work. So yeah, when you hear
Speaker 1: strange noises, it's not aliens.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, sorry, I'm living in some dust right now.
Speaker 4: But that's really interesting. And so we all have you
Speaker 4: to think for this docu series then, because.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, he probably would have come out. He
Speaker 1: probably would have you know, he was ready to talk
Speaker 1: about it, So I know yeah, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the connection with Philip, Yeah, the whole thing. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad it worked out like it did.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So Philip's written I think like three books on
Speaker 4: this case now, Yeah, and he's very well versed, knows
Speaker 4: all these different witnesses that have come forward since, and
Speaker 4: some of them he had to track down, you know
Speaker 4: that they didn't even willingly want to come forward, so
Speaker 4: that brings a bit more credibility to them. But the
Speaker 4: way I got involved with this film was because Philip
Speaker 4: reached out to me, you know, so he just kind
Speaker 4: of put together the pieces that oh, you know, this
Speaker 4: guy seems to be able to make documentaries, and he
Speaker 4: emailed me and said, hey, like we should talk sometime.
Speaker 4: I think he could do a really cool documentary on
Speaker 4: the Pasca Gooula incident. And at first it was supposed
Speaker 4: to be just like one feature length doc, but once
Speaker 4: he shared with me all of this stuff, like he
Speaker 4: got these hypnosis sessions done of Calvin Parker and Maria
Speaker 4: Blair and he was like, I want those to be
Speaker 4: just like the whole hypnosis session. So I was like,
Speaker 4: I can't really just make a documentary just watching somebody
Speaker 4: lying down talking but then I realized, oh, you know what,
Speaker 4: I should do it like this. The first episode will
Speaker 4: be all Charlie Hickson's story. The second one will be
Speaker 4: Calvin Parker lying down talking because it says hip knows
Speaker 4: this session and his perspective and will background on how
Speaker 4: he was over the decades. The third will be allowing
Speaker 4: lying down of Maria Blair, and then the fourth will
Speaker 4: be just like, who's this guy? Yeah? You know Philip Mantle,
Speaker 4: which a lot of people know who he is, yea,
Speaker 4: but I make my documentaries for everybody, so it's kind
Speaker 4: of like if you don't know who he is, this
Speaker 4: is who he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I had Philip scheduled for the show,
Speaker 1: and you know he had that health health issues. He
Speaker 1: seems to be doing better right now. Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a pretty big star on.
Speaker 4: You should have him on. I know that he's starting
Speaker 4: to open up to like thirty minute interviews now, so
Speaker 4: maybe he can get that up to an hour when
Speaker 4: his health improves a bit better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am quite booked up, but I will
Speaker 1: try to fit him in at some point. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about episode one because I
Speaker 1: had heard that Charlie was very active out there and
Speaker 1: talking about this, and Calvin was reserved basically, you know,
Speaker 1: in the beginning. But I had no idea he was
Speaker 1: talking as much as he did that you portrayed in
Speaker 1: this in this film. And I love, by the way,
Speaker 1: I love the vintage little TV, vintage thing. That was brilliant.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's very very fun to watch, and really,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I was watching with my producer
Speaker 1: Slash the better part. Donna and I were sitting there
Speaker 1: watching and were saying, how can you not believe this guy?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just so you know, it's he's such
Speaker 1: a credible person. You can't see any you know, red
Speaker 1: flags at all when he's talking about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is bizarre. It's a bizarre case, you know. And
Speaker 1: I know, I know you did mention that. You know,
Speaker 1: they both seem to have different kind of experiences on board,
Speaker 1: and one of them, I know that, you know, Calvin
Speaker 1: talked about like a female type figure. And Calvin did
Speaker 1: not see the carrot like protruding. He doesn't remember the
Speaker 1: carrot like protruding from what maybe the robot type things
Speaker 1: that came and got them. Charlie remembers them. But when
Speaker 1: I spoke to Calvin. He said he didn't really remember
Speaker 1: those features.
Speaker 4: He didn't remember spikes coming out of their heads.
Speaker 1: That's what Calvin told me, unless he told you something else.
Speaker 1: But when I interviewed as you just didn't remember that part.
Speaker 4: He remembered that they had that like gray wrinkly skin
Speaker 4: and that they were robotic in nature and they were hovering.
Speaker 4: They had like those kind of like pincer type hands, right,
Speaker 4: So I think it was like, you know, seventy five
Speaker 4: percent and of the same sort of type that Charlie
Speaker 4: would have remembered. But Charlie, yeah, he was the one
Speaker 4: that said spikes for sure.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think the best part of this
Speaker 1: case is the part where they snuck the tape recorder
Speaker 1: in the drawer of the desk and we're taping them
Speaker 1: when they were left alone. Yeah, if you have any
Speaker 1: doubts about this case, and then you listen to that,
Speaker 1: and it's a terrible recording. I've tried to listen to
Speaker 1: it over the years, and I don't know if it
Speaker 1: could ever be cleaned up, but.
Speaker 4: I end it though, Yeah, it sounded.
Speaker 1: Better in your film.
Speaker 4: I guess it definitely in my opinion, like I ran
Speaker 4: it through a pretty good process to bring it up
Speaker 4: and then be titled the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So, but I mean they talk about like it really happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they were putting on a hoax this,
Speaker 1: you know, why would they do that when they're alone,
Speaker 1: sitting there alone. It just it gives one hundred percent
Speaker 1: credibility in my opinion, to this particular case, which is fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's a fantastic case. But I got to tell you, Blair,
Speaker 1: Maria Blair, is that her name?
Speaker 4: Is that what you said?
Speaker 1: I had no idea that she actually. I knew that
Speaker 1: there was a witness, and I don't know if I
Speaker 1: heard her name, but I had no idea that she
Speaker 1: was actually claims that she was abducted to mm hm.
Speaker 4: So that third episode is all dedicated to her story. Apparently,
Speaker 4: her and her husband Jerry, the same night, October eleventh,
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy three, they were on a pier just opposed
Speaker 4: to Calvin and Charlie across the river, and she was
Speaker 4: supposed to be going with him to say goodbye to him.
Speaker 4: They were newly weds and they were supposed to say bye,
Speaker 4: and he was going to jump on a fishing trawler
Speaker 4: with a captain and go away for a few days
Speaker 4: of work and they got abducted or she got abducted,
Speaker 4: for sure. She says that in her sort of telling
Speaker 4: of this whole story, she thinks that he was being
Speaker 4: abducted for a while and she was abducted too, And
Speaker 4: it's pretty pretty wild, pretty incredible. Her daughter reached out
Speaker 4: to me after the documentary came out, and she's out
Speaker 4: of me too Facebook as a friend, and we've you know,
Speaker 4: I've said thank you for your story, and you know,
Speaker 4: Philip shared all this stuff with me. I hope you
Speaker 4: guys enjoyed the film series, so you know, it's it's
Speaker 4: pretty wild. Abductions seem to be a thing, you know,
Speaker 4: And I believe that this case is real. I believe
Speaker 4: that something happened that night that all these there's just
Speaker 4: so many witnesses that we can point to at least
Speaker 4: definitely UFO activity in the sky right right, just Calvin
Speaker 4: Parker and Charlie Hickson's story. But then that's like, well,
Speaker 4: that's like the big abduction story that people should hear
Speaker 4: more about. So that's what I think we accomplished here
Speaker 4: by providing all this testimony and bringing up the documents
Speaker 4: and showing all the you know, coverage of it. J
Speaker 4: Allen Heinek came forward.
Speaker 1: And he thought that was a pretty solid case.
Speaker 4: He did, he did, he proclaimed that, you know, and
Speaker 4: this is post project new book where he was saying
Speaker 4: everything is prosaic, right, And then you got James Harder
Speaker 4: who came forward. And now there's a lot of really
Speaker 4: interesting people linked to this case. So I think we
Speaker 4: did a pretty good representation.
Speaker 1: I do so far.
Speaker 4: Thank you episode one.
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, here's the thing that
Speaker 1: I was I could see while watching your film that
Speaker 1: I didn't really know the full story, and that is
Speaker 1: that the people involved were taking it seriously. There was
Speaker 1: no it didn't seem like a lot of ridicule or
Speaker 1: anything like that, besides the two cleaning ladies that were
Speaker 1: in the newspaper. But everyone else seemed to, you know,
Speaker 1: like the military, everyone was taking this thing really seriously.
Speaker 1: As far as you know, the testing.
Speaker 4: People class, Philip J. Class, he took his usual stance.
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, yeah, that's to be expected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's other skeptics and debunkers.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 4: There were people that wrote about I can't remember their names.
Speaker 4: It's in the documentary, but there's one guy that said
Speaker 4: that there were they actually were kidnapped by Russians that
Speaker 4: came out of a sub.
Speaker 1: On the river, which is so ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Uh, And another one said that they were both suffering
Speaker 4: from two separate mental conditions, like conditions to account for
Speaker 4: their story.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean, I unders the end
Speaker 1: being skeptical, but when you're trying to debunk and use
Speaker 1: crazy things, that's those are all things that are have
Speaker 1: to be based on some type of fear element, like
Speaker 1: this can't be true, so we just have to make
Speaker 1: this fit somehow, and you know, uh, you know that's
Speaker 1: it's pure debunkery that you know, it's silly, you know,
Speaker 1: like that was the the planet Venus, you know, or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, I mean sometimes it is
Speaker 1: a planet Venus, but in this particular case, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just the blue light. And I remember him saying
Speaker 1: like it was a welders arc. It was so bright,
Speaker 1: you know, coming out of them when the door opened,
Speaker 1: that type of thing. Yeah, and they you know, they
Speaker 1: you know when you again when you listen to that recording,
Speaker 1: they were scared. Calvin was really scared. You know, through
Speaker 1: this whole thing and and you know, I mean really
Speaker 1: impacted their life and you know, and a lot of things,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear I heard people say things like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Calvin's a simple man and all that. He
Speaker 1: wasn't a simple man. I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but he he had a major construction company with lots
Speaker 1: of people working for him. He did airport infrastructure all
Speaker 1: over the country, and you know, did very well. He
Speaker 1: was a smart man, a smart businessman too, and a
Speaker 1: great time. I had a lovely time with him and
Speaker 1: Waynette in Arizona. We spent a lot of time together,
Speaker 1: and you know, great, great gentleman, really nice guy and
Speaker 1: not a simple man like people try to portray him
Speaker 1: as he was. And he was funny as hell. He
Speaker 1: could be so funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bill imparted some of that you know, humor to me.
Speaker 4: He said, it was the damnedest thing. I was hired, fired,
Speaker 4: and abducted in the same day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be something he'd say, yeah, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's quite a case. And you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you think of, you know, how here these people are
Speaker 1: living their lives. Maybe it is kind of a simple life.
Speaker 1: Going fishing. And boy did calvinover like to fish. Right
Speaker 1: up until the end. He was love fishing. But you know,
Speaker 1: someone's life can just change instantly. We all have these
Speaker 1: situations where our life takes a path and something you know,
Speaker 1: falls in our lap type of thing. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean just think of how much that changed their lives.
Speaker 1: You know, people try to get on with their lives
Speaker 1: and do other things like Calvin I mentioned, but eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to talk about it, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad he did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too. Yeah, otherwise this talking series would.
Speaker 1: Be made for one for one thing. So yeah, and
Speaker 1: I was really glad to see Philip Bennett. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he is very He's really into it and well versed.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that you have in this
Speaker 1: series episode one is when they found all those documents,
Speaker 1: Charlie's documents, which is really amazing. You know, think about
Speaker 1: that alone. Someone buys a house that used to belong
Speaker 1: to him, there's boxes of letters. They don't throw it away.
Speaker 1: That's like ninety nine percent of the people that would
Speaker 1: buy a house with you know, boxes of paper and letters.
Speaker 1: You know, destroy them, throw them away, get them out
Speaker 1: of there, you know, go to the dump with them,
Speaker 1: and they had all these great documents, which is really
Speaker 1: quite awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was all recovered I think by Chelsea
Speaker 4: Norton Prince, who I actually connected with when the film
Speaker 4: got released. She helped the Mississippi Times, like a local
Speaker 4: newspaper in Pascagoula, run the story, worry about the film
Speaker 4: being out and such. She's a really cool person and
Speaker 4: you know, connected to this story. So she was poring
Speaker 4: over that those letters and stuff with with Charlie's son.
Speaker 4: Now I'm overby man, right right?
Speaker 1: And he was over, wasn't he? He learned overseas he
Speaker 1: was in the military. He learned. He learned not from
Speaker 1: his father what happy he learned.
Speaker 4: He learned in a magazine that I think was called
Speaker 4: like Stars and Stripes or something like some kind of
Speaker 4: military magazine that his father was abducted because he was
Speaker 4: in service. So that's quite the way to.
Speaker 1: Learn, right, Yeah. I wonder what he thought it first.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, probably what a lot of people thought, right, No.
Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, I mean it is it's a fantastic story
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, But you know, it's
Speaker 1: just one of is that even as fantastic as it is.
Speaker 1: It's very credible story, you know. I mean it's one
Speaker 1: of you know, it's on the chart of one of
Speaker 1: the top stories. And you know, with all these other
Speaker 1: people coming forward about it too, which always happens. You know,
Speaker 1: you talk about your series being out and when the
Speaker 1: book came out and stuff like that, then you know
Speaker 1: it gets you know, he had that plaque made in
Speaker 1: Pascalcula that they put up and you know in the
Speaker 1: park there form I remember when that that was done.
Speaker 1: And but these things when they get out there, then
Speaker 1: more and more people Well I didn't really want to
Speaker 1: talk about it, but maybe I will.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's what seems to happen in these cases, which
Speaker 1: is great, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what is some of what are the some of
Speaker 1: the more amazing things that you learned while you were
Speaker 1: doing this series that you didn't have any idea about.
Speaker 1: I mean, here the aliens again.
Speaker 4: They're trying to get through the root. I think the
Speaker 4: the fact that there was just all these witnesses that
Speaker 4: had seen the objects, either nights before, nights after, months after,
Speaker 4: Like there was even a USO encounter between the Coast
Speaker 4: Guard and one of these blue objects in the river.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, the.
Speaker 4: Navy got involved with this phenomenon happening. So I think
Speaker 4: there was a UFO flap going on in the Mississippi
Speaker 4: area at the time, and all of this was kind
Speaker 4: of like culminating with the abduction story. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that was I had no idea that the story
Speaker 4: went that deep. And I'll say that I've been like
Speaker 4: interested in the whole UFO phenomenon for at least twenty
Speaker 4: years now, right, longer than that. What probably was a
Speaker 4: teenager when I started opening my mind up to this stuff,
Speaker 4: being like, oh, this is cool thought, maybe even science
Speaker 4: fiction at first, but in the university realized oh wow,
Speaker 4: there's actually layers of truth to this, like are we
Speaker 4: not alone? And the Pastor Gula case was one that
Speaker 4: I had heard about early on. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: these two guys from Mississippi just having, you know, fishing
Speaker 4: at night got abducted, and it was just such a
Speaker 4: pleasure to have that story eventually become part of my
Speaker 4: filmmaking career. Learned so much more, learned so many details
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: So what is the type of travel that you did
Speaker 1: for this? You obviously went to see Phil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I went out to the UK in November
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three and spent a week there shooting,
Speaker 4: and then I came back and a lot of the
Speaker 4: footage that he supplied me was footage that he had
Speaker 4: gotten recorded remotely. And it's just been over a year
Speaker 4: of editing, you know, and music and animation and all
Speaker 4: the stuff that goes into making these feature length films
Speaker 4: that I do.
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you your artists through the
Speaker 1: animation very talented, very nice. I like the sort of
Speaker 1: vintagy look to it. The whole thing works really well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every episode has a little bit something different, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of like evolves with the with the characters that
Speaker 4: tell the story and the decade that it's being told in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, M and what year did Charlie pass? Do
Speaker 1: you have any idea approximately.
Speaker 4: That's I want to say, two or four years ago,
Speaker 4: Like movie was twenty twenty or twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, I'm not talking about Calvin. I'm talking about Charlie.
Speaker 4: Oh you're talking about Charlie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Calvin was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of years ago for Calvin, I'm not
Speaker 4: quite sure.
Speaker 1: For Charlie, Charlie was it was quite a few years ago.
Speaker 4: It was probably like early two thousands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But well, what I'm getting at is, I
Speaker 1: don't know how long there was an interview a clip
Speaker 1: that you had where he was fairly elderly at the time,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so he had talked about it. I would
Speaker 1: say probably close to the end where he was still
Speaker 1: out there talking about it. So one of the things
Speaker 1: you can't really understand because you can't ask when these
Speaker 1: people are gone. But you know, I'd like to hear
Speaker 1: what type of you know, ridicule, if any, did he
Speaker 1: suffer from a lot of ridicule, because that's such a
Speaker 1: crazy sounding story. It didn't seem if it's so, it
Speaker 1: didn't seem to bother him because he just kept on
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree. I think he was just like
Speaker 4: a rock, you just let everything roll off of it
Speaker 4: of him, you know. Yeah, he wasn't very affected by it.
Speaker 4: I think Calvin was more of the emotional person about
Speaker 4: the story, right, absolutely want to be very tied to
Speaker 4: it till he was much older, Like you said, then
Speaker 4: he was ready to come forward and he.
Speaker 1: Was he was at peace with it, right, you know,
Speaker 1: going off on a little bit of a I don't
Speaker 1: know sideline here, but it makes you wonder if these
Speaker 1: type of things have been happening for centuries possibly. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have no way of knowing. There's no real accounts
Speaker 1: of them going back. But I know there is an
Speaker 1: abduction account in the nineteen twenties. There's something that was
Speaker 1: very you know, similar, but how far back? But I
Speaker 1: mean you could imagine that people wouldn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it, you know, like if it did happen, you know, yeah, there's.
Speaker 4: A neighbor stigma, right, huge stigma regarding this phenomenon.
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't even know what it would be, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like one hundred years ago or
Speaker 1: two hundred years ago, whatever. I don't think come to
Speaker 1: their mind that it was people from another place. I mean,
Speaker 1: you hear of these things of you know, leprechauns and
Speaker 1: you know, gules and things like that. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's all connected, you know, connected somehow.
Speaker 4: Maybe I know that there's thousands, if not millions of
Speaker 4: people that have possibly been subjected to the abduction phenomenon.
Speaker 4: So there's two things you I think David Jacobs and
Speaker 4: Bud Hopkins, they did a rover pole and they surmised
Speaker 4: through that study that just in the United States, probably
Speaker 4: about two million people have experienced something like an abduction phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Because some of that can be, of course explained in
Speaker 1: other ways. Of course, there's a percentage of it that
Speaker 1: you know, that has to have some credibility to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what if you know a percentage of that is real?
Speaker 4: And then the other thing Edgar doctor Edgar Mitchell, former
Speaker 4: Paulo astronaut, fourteen astronaut, and he was also, you know,
Speaker 4: integral to many of the earlier and later missions at CAPCOM.
Speaker 4: He did. He set up the Edgar Mitchell Research Foundation
Speaker 4: and in twenty twenty two they published an art published
Speaker 4: a paper called the Free Study Foundational for Research of
Speaker 4: extra Extraordinary or Extraterrestrial extra Extraordinary Claims or something like that,
Speaker 4: and that had over three thousand individuals who said that
Speaker 4: they had some kind of contact type experiences with a
Speaker 4: non human intelligence. So it's definitely not just Calvin and
Speaker 4: and Charlie Hickson, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: So I want to move on to something called Dark Alliance,
Speaker 1: but before we do that, I just want to talk
Speaker 1: about one thing really quickly because I never heard of this.
Speaker 1: But Charlie Hickson says he had communication with some beings
Speaker 1: and he had that little rock in his I thought
Speaker 1: that was pretty He talked about this little rock that
Speaker 1: would heat up and he knew that you know, something
Speaker 1: was coming when the rock would heat up. And someone said, well,
Speaker 1: what type of rocket is? And he reached right in
Speaker 1: his pocket. He said, I always have it with me,
Speaker 1: and here it is. And I'm just wondering if anyone
Speaker 1: ever did anything with that rock.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, that was crazy something. You know.
Speaker 4: When I was digging through the archival of all the
Speaker 4: things he was saying and you know, giving testimony to
Speaker 4: regarding this anomalist phenomenon, I found that pretty interesting and
Speaker 4: I didn't want to like get at it. Yeah, somebody does.
Speaker 4: Great if that rock's kicking around, you know, somebody tossing
Speaker 4: my way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So I'm going to play the trailer
Speaker 1: for this next film. We're gonna be talking about Dark Alliance,
Speaker 1: and you know, we have about twenty minutes left, so
Speaker 1: I know we can get into it pretty well in
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. And here we go. Here's the trailer. Gaya
Speaker 1: and the cybersuckers are the dark forces. So my clients
Speaker 1: are not the dark forces.
Speaker 5: No, but I would say to those of you that
Speaker 5: are supporting him and helping him to defend himself, what's
Speaker 5: he defending himself from?
Speaker 4: Who is the dark side?
Speaker 5: Because see, if you really look at it and dissect it,
Speaker 5: no one is suing Corey. He's the one suing everybody.
Speaker 5: Nobody's suing him. Who is the dark force? Who is
Speaker 5: the cabal?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the couple.
Speaker 7: You know you said things like I couldn't believe. To
Speaker 7: be honest, he told me he was talking about twenty
Speaker 7: and back and basis on Mars and the moon and
Speaker 7: all this, although none of that was in his book.
Speaker 7: I do believe that there was a information contamination.
Speaker 6: I was contacted by Roger ramsoor Roger Richards, who at
Speaker 6: the time was Corey Goods business partner manager, something to
Speaker 6: that effect. I believe he contacted me in about March
Speaker 6: twenty seventeen. I think if you look up sensational in
Speaker 6: the dictionary, you'll probably find David Willcock's face in there, like,
Speaker 6: because it is kind of like a cult, cult tactics,
Speaker 6: cult like behaviors that are going on around that group.
Speaker 5: So I called Corey and I said, Corey, I'm calling
Speaker 5: him on behalf of David. How much of a percentage
Speaker 5: is is David going to get? Corey said to me,
Speaker 5: I'm not giving David a percentage.
Speaker 6: Corey literally called himself the Enoch of our modern times,
Speaker 6: and David claims to have all these insiders, and they
Speaker 6: propped themselves up to be these larger than life personalities.
Speaker 5: Hundreds of people have been on Guya having different TV
Speaker 5: shows and different personalities. Have any of them turned around
Speaker 5: and sued Gaya, Nobody but Corey good.
Speaker 4: David is going to lead a con conversation to raise
Speaker 4: our classes. To Bill william Popular.
Speaker 8: I forget the name of the company that created the
Speaker 8: sky Net the Terminator films. He said he started cyberdying
Speaker 8: years before the Terminator film came out.
Speaker 6: Let's go back to the beginning. I first met Corey
Speaker 6: and David. Well, let me back up a little bit
Speaker 6: from there.
Speaker 1: So, well, there you go. So I've said many times,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many really amazing things that have
Speaker 1: happened and are happening that there's no need to you know,
Speaker 1: make things up, so to speak, or make it more
Speaker 1: dramatic than it really is. And it's kind of the
Speaker 1: case with these people. And I heard someone say like
Speaker 1: a cult following, and that's that's what I you know,
Speaker 1: I remember when the whole lawsuit thing happened and all that,
Speaker 1: and getting contacted from someone and them saying, are you
Speaker 1: watching what's going on? He said, no, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't follow those people in particular. But he said, do
Speaker 1: you have any idea how crazy how those people are
Speaker 1: and their claims and everything. I said, no, I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't follow it. It was Dave Alman.
Speaker 4: He reached out to me too after he saw the
Speaker 4: doc and was like, oh, I don't know you did this.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that he was following that story too.
Speaker 4: Sometimes great minds think alike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's how did you And I guess what
Speaker 1: made you decide to tackle this the whole situation.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's an interesting story, for sure. I
Speaker 4: think it's important that people in the UFO community understand
Speaker 4: that not everything out there that's said is true, and
Speaker 4: we have to kind of like protect our minds from
Speaker 4: these viruses that could spread and become more prevalent than
Speaker 4: the greater truth that we're all trying to get to
Speaker 4: the bottom of. And you know, this story is surrounded
Speaker 4: by harassment and false claims and all that stuff still happens.
Speaker 4: So what more timely a story than this as a
Speaker 4: cautionary tale for the future of the present that we're
Speaker 4: currently living. There's so much there's so many more important
Speaker 4: stories that should have been covered during that time, and
Speaker 4: this really it took over. It was like the big
Speaker 4: headline show at Contact in the Desert, which I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure I'm not invited back. I don't know about you,
Speaker 4: but after this series has come out, things have gotten
Speaker 4: pretty quiet over there. But yeah, that's just the way
Speaker 4: it goes. People become really really popular, really quickly when
Speaker 4: they say super sensational stuff with literally no facts to
Speaker 4: back them, And I think that's very troublesome, especially when
Speaker 4: you know we've come far. I'd say we have come
Speaker 4: pretty far in terms of this subject's credibility in the stream.
Speaker 4: I'm there's there's still a lot to uncover to really
Speaker 4: get down to the bottom of the truth. But you know,
Speaker 4: when when this type of stuff keeps popping up in
Speaker 4: the community, it's not taking us further. I think it's
Speaker 4: just setting us back and will allow this thing to
Speaker 4: be a ridiculed subject going forward. You know, we really
Speaker 4: want to keep it scientific, factual, you know, court of
Speaker 4: law type stuff. Let's let's really prove this to the world.
Speaker 4: That's right, I'm focused on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like that. So I just have to
Speaker 1: tell you one thing, and I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: into details, but I'll just tell you. I was at
Speaker 1: a conference and it was a very well attended conference,
Speaker 1: and there was a speaker and some people that got
Speaker 1: up and spoke. The story was so wacko and out there.
Speaker 1: That's all I can tell. That's all I'm going to
Speaker 1: get into it because I don't want to name any
Speaker 1: names or anything like that. But it was completely completely wacky,
Speaker 1: and I made myself sit there all the way through
Speaker 1: it because I just wanted to see what makes these
Speaker 1: people tick and and what else were they fantastical? Were
Speaker 1: they going to say they got a standing ovation? At
Speaker 1: the end, it was about as far out as you
Speaker 1: could possibly go, and they got a standing ovation. And
Speaker 1: at that conference there's some really good speakers about some
Speaker 1: really good UFO encounters and things like that. No one
Speaker 1: else got a standing ovation. But so it just it
Speaker 1: kind of people. I think it has to do possibly
Speaker 1: with you know, people want to maybe escape reality a
Speaker 1: little bit, and I get that. I understand it. We've
Speaker 1: got a harsh world here and it's hard to face
Speaker 1: things every day, and maybe that's part of it. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all kinds of reasons people get attracted more
Speaker 4: so to the wacky wu rather than the you know,
Speaker 4: more boring factual stories that are coming out of this
Speaker 4: phenomenon and the community. Some of them are just people
Speaker 4: like to be entertained. They want to escape from the
Speaker 4: reality that we're living. You know. Other things are that
Speaker 4: they might have been affected by something similar, like maybe
Speaker 4: they had an experience very similar, And that's where folks
Speaker 4: like this kind of dominate. They know that there's certain
Speaker 4: stories that are popular in the community. They know that
Speaker 4: there's a following of this type of thing, so they
Speaker 4: create their whole story around those things that are hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it, and then when they.
Speaker 4: Present it, it takes off because people are like, wow,
Speaker 4: like that's actually what I kind of went through, right,
Speaker 4: So there's always like almost a kernel truth, yeah, that
Speaker 4: these lies can be based off of, and that's why
Speaker 4: they go so far?
Speaker 1: Now, as far as Wilcock and Corey Good, where are
Speaker 1: they now?
Speaker 4: Bulcock has the show he does every Sunday and it's huge.
Speaker 1: I'm glad.
Speaker 4: I don't know that He's got like five hundred thousand
Speaker 4: ish subscribers and wow makes like thousands and super chats
Speaker 4: every Sunday. And he's recently released a book claiming that
Speaker 4: he channels archangel Michael. Yeah, and Corey is currently embroiled
Speaker 4: in he set up all these lawsuits against people that
Speaker 4: worked with him at one point, and the final lawsuit
Speaker 4: is this April scheduled in Colorado between him and Gaya
Speaker 4: Entertainment because he claims that all of the stuff he
Speaker 4: presented on at Guya is his intellectual property, which.
Speaker 1: Is, oh, that's what the suit is about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he says the word people, the secret space stuff
Speaker 4: he's talking about, and you know, the Sphear Coalition, you know,
Speaker 4: all these sort of names are in that lawsuit document.
Speaker 4: You can look it up. And he's saying like, you know,
Speaker 4: Guya made all this money off of that, and they're
Speaker 4: still doing series talking with new people that are saying
Speaker 4: that they experienced the same thing. You know, twenty years
Speaker 4: in the future and then their bodies being Benjamin buttoned
Speaker 4: back to an earlier version or something, and he lives
Speaker 4: out his life here in that body, but he remembers
Speaker 4: the space, battles with aliens and all this stuff. That
Speaker 4: is his intellectual property. And if guy had made all
Speaker 4: this money money off of it, he should be given
Speaker 4: his fair share. What is Gaya Guya Entertainment is a
Speaker 4: guy a TV is a entertainment entertainment streaming network that
Speaker 4: focuses on very new age spiritual slash UFO, conspiracy and
Speaker 4: esoteric metaphysical content. And you know, they started Jay Widner,
Speaker 4: we interviewed for this series. He was the former head
Speaker 4: of production there. He took them from being this like
Speaker 4: entertainment startup to you know, millions of subscribers per year,
Speaker 4: kind of like a miniature Netflix for that type of content.
Speaker 4: And so that's how these guys got so big so quick,
Speaker 4: because they had all these they had A Guy has
Speaker 4: a huge following not only on their paid for streaming service,
Speaker 4: but on like YouTube and you know all these other
Speaker 4: streaming that were streaming platforms that they can put out
Speaker 4: their content. So these guys got a huge step up
Speaker 4: right away and then they were doing conferences that also,
Speaker 4: you know, blew them up. So that's why that story
Speaker 4: became so prevalent in the UFO community. And there were
Speaker 4: people that I think, you haven't seen the second episode.
Speaker 2: Yet, have you?
Speaker 4: No, So Richard Dolans in that one. It's an archival
Speaker 4: clip that I licensed from mouf on from Ron James.
Speaker 4: Ron had put together a conference in twenty seventeen to
Speaker 4: have a panel of all these basically GUYA secret space
Speaker 4: programmed people, and Corey was up there, Andrew Bassiago, Michael
Speaker 4: Sala and one of these insiders that was used quite
Speaker 4: heavily by Corey Good, David Wilcock and GUYA at the
Speaker 4: time William Tompkins. He was like ninety plus years old
Speaker 4: at the time, and he was saying that we had
Speaker 4: a Reptilian space program where they gave the reptilians, gave
Speaker 4: us craft and YadA, YadA, YadA, you know, interesting tales,
Speaker 4: but no proof, right, and rich he checked them at
Speaker 4: this conference and basically said, you know, I don't believe
Speaker 4: any of it. And I thought this was a real
Speaker 4: UFO investigation group. Move on. I thought it was a
Speaker 4: serious group. And I don't know why we're hosting something
Speaker 4: with these people was pretty interesting in terms of the
Speaker 4: history of other prominent researchers in the UFO community that
Speaker 4: we're pushing back against this growing wave of disinformation and,
Speaker 4: for lack of a better explanation, entertainment, you know, because
Speaker 4: a lot of this is ufotainment, right, People like you said,
Speaker 4: people go to conferences and they get these standing ovations
Speaker 4: because it's entertaining more than anything. But people kind of
Speaker 4: lose that logic and deductive reasoning when they're sitting in
Speaker 4: an audience and they're connected to something similar to that story.
Speaker 1: They just go wow, you know, and it's like a
Speaker 1: collective situation too. People in the group, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you knowp Op two. Oh, I'm getting excited too.
Speaker 4: You know, it's all part of that group psychology.
Speaker 1: But now, has Gaya put out anything that's really solid
Speaker 1: that we know about? I mean, I always think of
Speaker 1: people that are first getting into this and you know,
Speaker 1: try to steer them, you know, in the right direction.
Speaker 1: I mean, are there things that are really solid or
Speaker 1: is it just entertainment?
Speaker 4: I do not subscribe. I know that they've had whole
Speaker 4: shows based around Rick Dodie, doctor Stephen Greer. They've had
Speaker 4: whole shows around. You know, back in the day, Richard
Speaker 4: Dolan did stuff for them. They don't have him back anymore.
Speaker 4: But you know, that's also something Jay talks about in
Speaker 4: the series that he started off with people like Rupert Sheldrake,
Speaker 4: you know, trying to think of the prominent sociologist. His
Speaker 4: name will come to me, but like, you know, just
Speaker 4: very credible, well studied people. And then it started going
Speaker 4: into the Corey Good sort of you know, check your
Speaker 4: facts at the door type productions, and Jay didn't like that.
Speaker 4: He wanted to get it back on track towards other
Speaker 4: more ardible stuff, and it just kind of went off
Speaker 4: the rails. And I don't know where they're at now,
Speaker 4: But I don't know. They probably don't like that I
Speaker 4: made this documentary. I don't know how they feel about it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure they wouldn't be too happy about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, I mean, it's it's good
Speaker 1: to I think, you know, some people may disagree with me,
Speaker 1: but I think it's good to call people out because
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people contact me actually looking
Speaker 1: for guidance, like you know, hey, you know, should I
Speaker 1: look on YouTube for I'm interested in this topic, where
Speaker 1: should I go, you know that that type of thing,
Speaker 1: and so that wouldn't be a place that I normally
Speaker 1: would tell them to look, you know, third phase of
Speaker 1: the Moon. I wouldn't tell them to look there. There's
Speaker 1: a few other places like that that I would say.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a good idea to look at these,
Speaker 1: you know, and think that what we're seeing is real.
Speaker 1: Especial actually now with the CGI and so many different
Speaker 1: ways AI and ways to make images and videos so
Speaker 1: easily right now, it's you know, most people figure they
Speaker 1: have a kind of a signature to them, and they
Speaker 1: can figure out that they're fake. But you know, people
Speaker 1: believe a lot of stuff of what they see and
Speaker 1: read out there. So it's a it's really it's it's
Speaker 1: a difficult place to be if you're really looking for
Speaker 1: information totally. Yea, yeah, I don't think it's going to
Speaker 1: get a lot easier. But we're toward the end of
Speaker 1: the show. So where can someone find you and all
Speaker 1: your things you have? You're out there?
Speaker 4: The Yeah, films are on Amazon Prime to be TV Roku.
Speaker 4: These two docu series, I'd believe her on Roku, some
Speaker 4: of them are on YouTube Movies, which is like a
Speaker 4: free with ads platform now that've got like one hundred
Speaker 4: and eighty two millions subscribers, and you know, I'm up
Speaker 4: there with a bunch of other films. You can search
Speaker 4: my name Darcy Weir on some of these platforms and
Speaker 4: you'll see my catalog, or you can go to my
Speaker 4: website here, Oh, Cold Journeys. Check out some of my
Speaker 4: trailers and films there. I have a show weekly on
Speaker 4: kg R. A been on there, yeah, yeah, ad o
Speaker 4: Cold Journeys. You can find me on Twitter and add
Speaker 4: me there and the show that we do, we bring
Speaker 4: on different guests every week you've been on, definitely come
Speaker 4: back and we talk about current events, current news regarding UFOs.
Speaker 4: There seems to be something new every single week, you know,
Speaker 4: the year now.
Speaker 1: So we're totally out of time. I'm sorry to cut
Speaker 1: it short, but we are out of time, and we'll
Speaker 1: be back next week with a marine Bill Carter, William Carter.
Speaker 1: Quite a story. I'm really looking forward to that. Thank
Speaker 1: you everyone, See you next week, and remember to keep
Speaker 1: your eyes to the sky.