WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.639 Is physical goal, physical property, physical treasure, land. Right, those 2 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:09.240 things are much easily had in warfare than something that 3 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:13.119 I can memorize a seed phrase and boops, I forgot 4 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:17.559 it right, So you know the voting accident example, if 5 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:19.800 you're familiar with that. Where can I sign up to 6 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:23.239 be Orthodox? Go to your local Orthodox church to become Orthodox? 7 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:27.000 It's not an online thing. Where can Let's see, he 8 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:31.160 says first seven Canadian? Can I play on my church? 9 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:33.200 Can I play on my phone in church? 10 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:34.000 No? 11 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:35.840 It would probably be better for you to go to 12 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.200 a Lutheran church if that's what you're suggesting, rather than 13 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:43.520 an Orthodox church playing on your phone. What's up, Warren? 14 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:44.759 You're raising in your hand and go ahead. 15 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:49.560 I'm mute, Okay, So I just want to ask a question. 16 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:53.079 So you're going to also debate libertarians. 17 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:55.000 Right, yeah, sure, that's on the list. 18 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:57.119 So I just want to ask you. 19 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:02.079 So you're in the infu Wars and why someone like 20 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:06.040 Alex Jones opposing Israel. So that's the only family returning 21 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:09.359 perspective that they were saying, Oh, funding for this is 22 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:10.439 against like. 23 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:13.480 Alex Jones and info Wars has nothing to do with 24 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:15.959 the topics. I don't know what you're talking about. Joel Davis. 25 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:26.079 What's up? Sharif ten dollars Canadian, Thank you so much, 26 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:32.920 sharef Cody s five dollars. Jay. Would you say that 27 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:38.760 Pentecostalism is just modern Montanism? Yes, sir Vane five dollars. 28 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:40.879 Do you believe in the miracle will Holy fire at 29 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:42.840 the suppulcher? I don't have any position on it. I 30 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.159 don't know. I've never been there, I haven't seen it, 31 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.480 so I just don't know. Tonio one one six, No, 32 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:53.640 he already read that. Excuse me. JD became a member 33 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.480 get Ganazia ten dollars. Will you speak to Joe Will's 34 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:04.319 theory on Caesar's Messiah. We already hit a debate with 35 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:08.759 this person on this this goofy topic, like eight ten 36 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.360 years ago. Let me I'll pull you up the debate 37 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.080 that I had with one of the proponents of this. 38 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:35.360 It's what is that guy's name, Alex Siicaris. So if 39 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.719 you go here, this guy argues, this guy argues the 40 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:43.039 Joe Atwill thing from it's actually eight years ago technically, 41 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.520 So there's my thoughts on that. You could also watch 42 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:53.879 my podcast that I did on the Beast and preterism. 43 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:54.879 Go ahead, what's up, Joe? 44 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:00.000 Hey? Can you hear me? Hey? 45 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:03.319 So, I'm a Protestant looking into Orthodoxy right now, and 46 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:06.599 my question is how is how do the ecumenical councils 47 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.159 not count as divine revelation. I've heard a lot of 48 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.599 Protestant rebukes of how they are divine revelation in the 49 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:16.120 sense that there's new information being conveyed that's binding to 50 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:18.479 the church, and I just wanted to know what your response. 51 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:18.520 Was to that. 52 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.680 Well, they're not revelation in the sense that, as Jude says, 53 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.280 the faith was once for all delivered to the Saints. 54 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:28.560 So there's a finality to what we call the Apostolic deposit, 55 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.000 which is everything written and oral from the Apostles. That 56 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.400 deposit does not have new information added to it. It 57 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:38.919 doesn't evolve, it doesn't change, doesn't develop like Roman Catholics think. 58 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.719 It's a single, unified body of teachings expressed in things 59 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:46.439 like the Niceno Constabaladan Creed, for example. So when we 60 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.800 come to acumenical councils, Athanasia says that the voice of 61 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.840 the Holy Spirit spoke through the Council of Nicea, So 62 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:57.199 you can have a sense in which it's a restatement 63 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.840 of but there's no new revelations. So and ICEA is 64 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:06.199 not a new revelation. It's a precise explication of what 65 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.960 came before. That is the apostolic deposit. Thus it is 66 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:11.560 in no sense a new revelation. 67 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:17.439 Okay, something Yeah, I was just talking with my professor 68 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:18.079 about that. 69 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:21.720 That's I didn't think of it that way. Another question 70 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:28.399 that I have is in regards to you know, how 71 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.319 can we know how can we know what. 72 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:32.600 Is true tradition versus what is false tradition? 73 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.000 If a lot of these things like, for example, the 74 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.399 the Council of Icia, the Second Council of Icia, where 75 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:44.800 there's like iconography is discussed, and there's not a ton 76 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.560 of information regarding iconography in the first three centuries, So 77 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:48.759 how can we know that that's not. 78 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:51.519 Like an agression? Okay, but that's also an argument from silence, 79 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:53.839 and there is some information about iconography in the first 80 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:56.199 three centuries. So the idea that there's not any I'm 81 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.720 not saying that you said that, but a lot of process. 82 00:04:57.800 --> 00:04:59.800 So there's no proof of that. There's not a lot 83 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:01.879 of proof for the Protestant Canada Scripture in the first 84 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:03.959 three centuries either. So there's a lot of things that 85 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:07.480 even Protestants believe that there's scent evidence for in the 86 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:11.199 first second third century. So the again that kind of 87 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:13.680 ends up being arguments from silence. Keep in mind, this 88 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:15.519 is the period when the church is persecuted, so the 89 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.240 church is underground, so they may not be as ostentatious 90 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:22.879 in terms of the you know, luxuriousness of the ornate 91 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:26.000 basilica when they're having to meet and do their services 92 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:28.000 in the catacombs. But I've been to the catacombs, and 93 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:29.720 when you go to the catacombs, guess what they have 94 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:33.639 in there. They have images and they have altars. That's 95 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:36.199 not Protestant. So the catacomb Church the first second third 96 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.279 century is not Protestant. Go to Rome and go look 97 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:43.279 at the imagery that's drawn on the walls and where 98 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.079 the altars are in the catacombs. 99 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:48.160 Awesome, Thank you so much, Shao. 100 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:50.759 And those are great questions. And also I think Michael 101 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:55.839 Garton has a new book out on imagery and icons 102 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:57.879 in the first three centuries. I do not have the 103 00:05:57.879 --> 00:05:59.480 book yet, so I can't speak to it, but I've 104 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.319 seen a lot of Orthodox people are talking about it. 105 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.040 So that probably also addresses it. Also, I did a 106 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.759 video in response to Gavin Ortlund a while back. It 107 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.360 was a brief twenty minute video where I address from 108 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:17.680 the Protestant liturgy scholar Hugh Weybrew in his book Byzantine Liturgy. 109 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.720 In the first few chapters he actually addresses and robuts 110 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.800 most of Ortland's claims. So I'll let me pull that 111 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.920 up first. Here is the bt Sism and the System 112 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:30.480 and Resurrection podcast I did five years ago. This one 113 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.199 addresses a lot of those kind of early questions that 114 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.959 we had about Joe's witnesses. Do you need something it's 115 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.360 going to help you? Okay? And then could you make 116 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:39.079 me one more of these? 117 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:39.480 Thank you? 118 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:49.600 And on my clips channel is this twenty minute summation 119 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.439 of what's in the Hugh Weybrew book. So now I 120 00:06:53.439 --> 00:07:00.120 have longer podcasts discussing icons. But this right here is 121 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:07.600 a brief response to Gavin Ortland, and it's citing the 122 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:11.800 Hugh Weybrew book. Christian Jade I refutes Protestant Gavin Oreland. 123 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:13.319 By the way, this might be the guy who has 124 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:17.519 the baptism video. Maybe not. He doesn't have many videos. 125 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:19.360 That's not him. But anyway, this this is a good 126 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:22.759 video right here or theyer and you'll notice right there, 127 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:27.079 like you have the dro Europos churches and synagogues how 128 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:27.959 they were structured. 129 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:28.360 You have. 130 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:32.720 What basically amounts to an altar rail in the west 131 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.759 or a what becomes iconostasis in the east. You have 132 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.279 an altar which is blocked off by the communion rail 133 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:41.360 or the iconostasis. 134 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:41.839 You have. 135 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:47.519 Baptismal fonts in the basilicas that are converted into churches. 136 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:52.959 So here's a easy twenty minute response to a lot 137 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.079 of the Gavin Ortland types of claims. And this is 138 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:57.360 from a Protestant scholar. That's why I always point out 139 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:59.759 Hugh Weybrew Book is not written by an Orthodox person. 140 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:19.639 It's written by a Protestant liturgical scholar. Fury, what's up, dude, Fury? 141 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:27.680 Are you there? Fury? You want to unmute? All right? 142 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:33.120 He dropped off. If you disagree, you go to the 143 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.639 head of line. So remember we're not really doing FAQ 144 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.320 catechumen question day. That's for you to be catechized by 145 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.960 your priest. I'm looking for Protestants, Catholics, Atheist Muslims, Mormons, Libertarians, 146 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:48.519 Marxist feminists who disagree Hebrew roots Arians, you go to 147 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.879 the head of line manny money like run Lula, run 148 00:08:52.919 --> 00:09:05.639 over here with Manny so mkgs for six ninety nine. 149 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.440 If the forerunner is the last of the prophets bringing 150 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.000 divine revelation, no, no, last of the prophets in the sense 151 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:14.159 of an Old Testament prophet. The role of a prophet 152 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:19.120 like Isaiah or or Moses or you know, Hoseiah. Jesus 153 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.720 says in Luke sixteen the law and the prophets were 154 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.919 until John. Since that time the Kingdom has preached. Kingdom 155 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.399 has preached, which is the summation of all those things. 156 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.039 So in a sense, yes, Agabus in the Book of 157 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.720 access still a prophet, Paul is a prophet. Paul talks 158 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.120 about the gift of prophecy, right, and I'm not saying 159 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:42.279 that those aren't gifts. Those are gifts unique to particularly 160 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:47.759 the Intertestamental period to establish the church, but they're not 161 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:51.200 profits in the way that there's an office of the 162 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.000 prophet of the Old Testament. Pentecostals believe that they are 163 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.799 the office of prophets like Hoseiah or Isaiah. Okay, they 164 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:01.639 literally believe that to them do and they don't really 165 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.440 see any difference or any discontinuity between them and the 166 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:09.320 Old Testament prophets. I'm pointing out that Luke sixteen refutes Mormons, 167 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.120 it refutes Muslims and all these groups that believe in new, 168 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:20.840 ongoing public divine revelation. You see. So the Apostles message 169 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:24.240 is the finality of what all those profits of the 170 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:27.159 Old Testament were. They're all predicting this kingdom that's coming, 171 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.440 this era and this time of the Messiah. When the 172 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.240 Messiah comes, he says, Jesus says in Luke sixteen. Since 173 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.440 then the Kingdom is preached, meaning now that I'm here, 174 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.639 I'm the Kingdom, I'm the king My church is the Kingdom. 175 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.440 That's what's preached. Now, that's the finality. That's the Apostolic deposit. 176 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:48.399 It includes these Old Testament revelations because that's all presaging 177 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:53.720 and predicting the coming of this period. Rachel Wilson gives 178 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:59.360 five memberships. Thank you, Rachel, appreciate that ups this since 179 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:03.600 a couple more more podcasts, thank you so much. Excuse me, 180 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:05.679 excuse me, sends a couple more super chats for six 181 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.720 ninety nine. Do have to be rebaptized. I was baptized 182 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:12.840 by nutcase Pentecostals. A lot of times the Orthodox will 183 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:16.919 probably not rebaptize you, but baptize you because they don't 184 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:22.039 recognize anti Trinitarian baptisms, and a lot of Pentecostals are 185 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.679 anti Trinitarian their oneness. So if I don't attend church 186 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:27.320 every Sunday, do I go to Hell? I mean, these 187 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.080 are kinds of questions that you're you're gonna ask somebody 188 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.639 in your catechumen class. Peace out, Jay, maybe I won't 189 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.240 be saved. Have more money. I'm a slow boy. Don't 190 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.320 be mad. I'm a rich Christian or a rich Heretic. 191 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:44.639 Just go to the church and check it out at 192 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:48.039 a local level. Dog Ryan Tarross five dollars? What brand 193 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:48.879 of the Ginger Choose. 194 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:49.840 I don't know. 195 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:53.600 The one that every Whole Foods and Sprouts has, I 196 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:57.360 don't know. I can't remember the name of the brand. 197 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.679 I don't have a sponsorship from Ginger Choose, so I'm 198 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:04.200 not gonna. I'm gonna promote them. But I only eat 199 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:05.960 the gender too. If I haven't had any, like if 200 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.000 my blood sugar is low and I'm getting angry at 201 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.159 people or something, so I feel fine today. I don't. 202 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:16.639 I don't need a gender to what's up? Money? Money? 203 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:18.320 Hi you? 204 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.080 Yeah? 205 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:26.039 So I'm a Protestant and I have a question. Uh so, 206 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:30.480 when a non Orthodox person praise for Christ, are they 207 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.240 praying to the same Christ. I'm author Orthodox person is 208 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.679 praying to you? Or is it someone different? 209 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:39.840 Say that again? 210 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:43.399 So when a on when. 211 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:48.919 An Orthodox person praise for Christ. 212 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:52.320 Like from it, you're cutting out man. 213 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:56.080 Person. 214 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.919 When a non Orthodox person praise to Christ, I think, 215 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:01.799 pray in the same Christ and all Us and it's 216 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:02.320 praise too. 217 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:06.360 Well, they might intend the same reference, but that doesn't 218 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.159 mean that it's that it's hitting upon the same reference. 219 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.039 And so is that prayer legitsmate? 220 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.080 Well, God can hear people's prayers. That's up to God. 221 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.519 But it doesn't follow from that that. I mean, a Muslim, dude, 222 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.879 what are you doing in the background, man, dude, it's loud. 223 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.240 It doesn't follow from that that it's hitting upon the 224 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:34.919 same reference just because they intend it. And it's just 225 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.600 like a Mormon may mean the right Jesus, but the 226 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:41.559 Mormon Jesus is not the right Jesus. So but God 227 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:43.720 can hear and knows everyone's prayers and he knows their 228 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:48.840 heart whether they're sincere or not. War thunders ten dollars. 229 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:50.480 I'm not going to read that super chat, but I 230 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:55.639 thank you for the the support there. I'm just going 231 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.840 to say that I mean accusing me of teaching authority 232 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:03.320 worth it because I teach that the Theophanes are real. 233 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:06.360 When somebody who claimed to be this person claims that 234 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.519 they're a translator of Orthodox texts, they don't have any 235 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:12.360 degree in translation. They just joined the church, like not 236 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:15.120 even two years ago. So if they want to go 237 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:27.200 that route, that's they can do that. Christians for Trump, Hello, m. 238 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.320 Yeah, So what do you have are you like against libertarians? 239 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:32.679 Is that? 240 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:34.639 What do you call libertarians to debate? 241 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.840 I'm against a lot of the ideas of libertarianism. You 242 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.480 are you. 243 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.320 Like, by libertarian do you mean like anarchists or do 244 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:44.159 you mean more. 245 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.679 Like any of those any of those positions? 246 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:48.960 Okay? 247 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:56.519 So, so like if if I'm a libertarian, for example, 248 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:00.960 and I believe that government should be limited to boundaries 249 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.399 within just the constitution, like what's wrong with that? 250 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:07.840 If? 251 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:07.960 What? 252 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:08.279 Now? 253 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.240 So if if I'm a libertarian, I believe that we 254 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:19.480 have a government that is stepping over and traveling on 255 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:21.840 the boundaries that the Constitution said on it. 256 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:28.799 What's wrong with that? Well, that's not what libertary. What 257 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:32.879 I disagree with libertarianism about. I disagree with the Enlightenment 258 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:38.919 ethos of libertarianism. 259 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:42.720 Can you clarify it? With the Enlightenment ethos means, I. 260 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:45.799 Mean the Enlightenment like libertarianism comes out of that whole 261 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.559 ethos of rights are natural, grounded in natural law. They 262 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:55.200 come from the bottom up. There's no divine authority, negative liberty. 263 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:57.399 I mean, I see all these is a problem. The 264 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:03.360 state only exists to promote pleasure utilitarianism, I mean, all 265 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:04.399 these things are a problem. 266 00:16:05.799 --> 00:16:08.559 Okay, I would agree with you on that. I believe 267 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.519 that rights come from God, so I would agree with 268 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:16.840 you on that. So I'm currently an RCIA to become 269 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:22.360 a Catholic. And one of the things that drew me 270 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:30.679 to Catholicism versus Orthodoxy was that the Bible says that 271 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:35.679 God would not allow the gates of Hell to basically 272 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:36.639 overcome the Church. 273 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:38.600 Yeah, well, how do you know that's the Roman Catholic 274 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:39.840 Church and not the Orthodox Church. 275 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.759 Well, because they were one church before the skidom. 276 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:48.960 Okay, so how does that but how does that not 277 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:51.559 Maybe it's still the Orthodox Church, So how's I say 278 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:52.440 it's the Roman Church? 279 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:58.799 Well, so the Roman Catholic position is still. 280 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:01.559 That the Orthodox Church as a valid priesthood in valid 281 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:02.240 Holy orders. 282 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:04.319 But what does that have to do with it? Yeah, 283 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:07.359 but it's it's in schism according to traditional Calolque teaching, 284 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:08.759 So what does that have to do It's not the 285 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.000 true Church anymore. If it's not in union with the 286 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.319 Holy See, it's not the true Church. So how does 287 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.079 that tell you that it's the Roman Catholic Church that 288 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.039 is a fulfillment of Matthew sixteen's promise. 289 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.880 Because even though that it's not in communion with the 290 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.720 with the Pope, it still has valid Holy orders in 291 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:30.680 a valid priesthood. 292 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.480 It's not are you going to answer the question or 293 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:34.559 you don't understand the question. 294 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:36.680 I don't understand the question. 295 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.079 How does that tell you it's the true Church when 296 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:42.079 it's in schism, it's not in communion with the Roman Church. 297 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.799 So how do you know that Matthew sixteen is still 298 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:47.599 it's fulfilled in the Roman Church and not the Orthodox Church? 299 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.200 And just saying that, Well, the Roman Catholics believe that 300 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.359 Orthodox have absolute succession doesn't answer. Isn't an answer to 301 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:53.839 that question? 302 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:58.519 Okay, so yeah, that's what I was going to say, 303 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:00.000 because they have apostholic succession. 304 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:03.799 All right, well, I thank you for the question, but 305 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.519 you're not You're not getting it, So moving on business 306 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:08.519 orthodox category. 307 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:15.480 Cool, yep. 308 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:18.839 I just wanted to ask you real quick. 309 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.519 I've heard Catholics making these statements. 310 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.960 That the essence energy distinction is only conceptual and the 311 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.400 polem Moss disciple taught that. 312 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:31.039 What would you say to that. 313 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.079 I mean, there's a whole article written by a UNI 314 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:38.319 eight scholar, Christian Copas. If you're talking about Scolarios, and 315 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:40.240 the whole point is that you can't say that it's 316 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:43.880 purely conceptual. It's prior to conception. Is the terminology that 317 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:48.200 they use, and the Polemite synods define them as distinct realities. 318 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:51.480 Gotcha appreciate that. 319 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:59.799 It's uh, the article is on the energies and I'm 320 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:09.279 not recommending this weirdo's website, but it's let me find it. 321 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:14.720 Hold on. You just read the Essence Inergy Distinction of 322 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:18.920 the Theology of Saint Canadius Scolarios by Father Christian Kapas, 323 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.640 who's one of the most famous Uni eight scholars, and 324 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.960 he admits that obviously these are they're not. It's the 325 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:31.000 essence intytinction is not concept purely conceptual. It's not the 326 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:36.319 tonistic position. And the Fourth Palamite Synod condemns the idea 327 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:41.000 that it's only conceptual. So if you have the Orange, 328 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:49.400 if you have the Orange book right here by Palomas 329 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:54.880 has a Cows controversy. The Fourth Palamite Synod is concerned 330 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:59.920 with that very position that it's purely conceptual, and it's 331 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.319 rejected in the Tomos of thirteen sixty eight. I wrote 332 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:05.960 a whole article on my substack on it. The toe 333 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:09.680 mistic view is explicitly rejected. So it's utterly idiotic to 334 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.920 think that you can combine these two positions, because. 335 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:14.799 You know, I think they try to quote mine of 336 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:16.119 Palomas disciple. 337 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:18.640 It seems like it does. 338 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.200 What they do You mean Scolarios, Well, we have a 339 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:24.920 bunch of people in my discord who are translators, not 340 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.079 fake translators who claim that they are when they don't 341 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.279 have any degrees in anything, and they have actually translated 342 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:33.240 various texts from Scolarios. And now he does not teach 343 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.319 anything close to the tonistic position, so Copies is correct. 344 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:41.359 Scolarios explicitly says that Aquinas is completely wrong on the 345 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.359 Essen center distinction. Thomas denies it. Thomas thinks that the 346 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:53.240 attributes are only distinguished in the mind. Yeah, there you go. 347 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.680 I mean it's kind of a silly position, really. I mean, 348 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:58.400 if you just get into the literature, you don't have 349 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:00.920 to go very far before you find out. Oh that's 350 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:37.359 the case. Baki baki? Are you going on? Mute backy 351 00:21:37.480 --> 00:22:27.079 b a k. I try again? Parabolic h h. I 352 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:32.200 don't know what's going on. People having a hard time. Sheriff, sheriff, Oh, 353 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:33.039 marsha reef. 354 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:37.119 A j how are you? 355 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:37.599 What's up? 356 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:46.200 Question for you? Is human nature simple or composite? 357 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:52.680 In your opinion, it's clearly composite. Multiple church fathers say 358 00:22:52.680 --> 00:23:00.480 it's composite body and soul, and anything created is also composite. 359 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:03.720 Right understood? Understood? 360 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.880 Would it be correct to say that a human being 361 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.759 is consubstantial with the substance of the flesh and also 362 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:14.039 consubstantial with the substance of the soul. 363 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.319 I mean, the word human being usually refers to a 364 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.880 whole human being, body and soul, So I don't know 365 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:21.319 what you mean? 366 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:24.519 No, I understand. 367 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:26.519 As in, for example, if we were to think of 368 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:29.960 them as two sets, right, the set of all you know, 369 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:34.279 human souls and the set of all human flesh, would 370 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:35.119 a single. 371 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.079 Body be a member of both sets? Like? Would that 372 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.799 be okay to say consubstantial. 373 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.720 With the substance of the soul and consubstantial with the 374 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:44.240 substance of the body. 375 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.240 I don't. I don't understand what the point of that is. 376 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:48.640 Why would you want to say that? 377 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:54.440 Well, so, the only reason why I'm asking is again 378 00:23:54.680 --> 00:24:00.519 with the you know, hypostatic union, the the act of 379 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:02.079 composition I guess of Christ? 380 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.880 Like, is there a reason why. 381 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:09.000 The Calcedonian position Isn't that Christ has three natures? Actually, 382 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.279 because there's the substance of the logos and the substance 383 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.160 of the flesh and the substance of the human soul. 384 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:19.319 It's just distinguishing two different types of things. It doesn't 385 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.680 mean that it's a different, wholly different nature. Because the 386 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:26.680 body is solid and in space and time and has 387 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:30.079 spatial location. It doesn't mean that the soul is therefore 388 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:34.079 a totally different substance or nature. Because the term human 389 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.440 nature is supposed to encompass the two together. So no, 390 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.359 it's not three different natures. Just because the term nature 391 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:42.960 or the term substance is used in a different way. 392 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:48.200 Substance in the modern word, can you mute when you're 393 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.599 not talking, there's like a loud static. Oh sorry, So 394 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:58.680 after Descartes, substance takes on a different meaning. In Western philosophy, 395 00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:02.720 substance typically means some kind of substrate or some kind 396 00:25:02.759 --> 00:25:07.920 of physical collection of corpuscles or molecules or atoms. In 397 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.960 the ancient world, when that terminology is used, or in 398 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.160 the Middle Ages or whatever, they're just talking about a 399 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.680 term that encapsulates one type of thing or one kind 400 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:22.160 of thing. So angels and souls are non physical types 401 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.119