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things are much easily had in warfare than something that

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it right, So you know the voting accident example, if

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you're familiar with that. Where can I sign up to

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It's not an online thing. Where can Let's see, he

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says first seven Canadian? Can I play on my church?

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Can I play on my phone in church?

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Speaker 1: It would probably be better for you to go to

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a Lutheran church if that's what you're suggesting, rather than

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an Orthodox church playing on your phone. What's up, Warren?

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Speaker 3: I'm mute, Okay, So I just want to ask a question.

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So you're going to also debate libertarians.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to ask you.

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Speaker 4: So you're in the infu Wars and why someone like

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Alex Jones opposing Israel. So that's the only family returning

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perspective that they were saying, Oh, funding for this is

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Speaker 1: Alex Jones and info Wars has nothing to do with

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the topics. I don't know what you're talking about. Joel Davis.

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sharef Cody s five dollars. Jay. Would you say that

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Pentecostalism is just modern Montanism? Yes, sir Vane five dollars.

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the suppulcher? I don't have any position on it. I

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get Ganazia ten dollars. Will you speak to Joe Will's

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theory on Caesar's Messiah. We already hit a debate with

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years ago. Let me I'll pull you up the debate

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that I had with one of the proponents of this.

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sense that there's new information being conveyed that's binding to

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the church, and I just wanted to know what your response.

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Are you there? Fury? You want to unmute? All right?

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He dropped off. If you disagree, you go to the

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head of line. So remember we're not really doing FAQ

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catechumen question day. That's for you to be catechized by

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your priest. I'm looking for Protestants, Catholics, Atheist Muslims, Mormons, Libertarians,

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Marxist feminists who disagree Hebrew roots Arians, you go to

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the head of line manny money like run Lula, run

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of an Old Testament prophet. The role of a prophet

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like Isaiah or or Moses or you know, Hoseiah. Jesus

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until John. Since that time the Kingdom has preached. Kingdom

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access still a prophet, Paul is a prophet. Paul talks

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that those aren't gifts. Those are gifts unique to particularly

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profits in the way that there's an office of the

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prophet of the Old Testament. Pentecostals believe that they are

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the office of prophets like Hoseiah or Isaiah. Okay, they

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literally believe that to them do and they don't really

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every Sunday, do I go to Hell? I mean, these

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in your catechumen class. Peace out, Jay, maybe I won't

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be saved. Have more money. I'm a slow boy. Don't

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be mad. I'm a rich Christian or a rich Heretic.

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Just go to the church and check it out at

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a local level. Dog Ryan Tarross five dollars? What brand

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of the Ginger Choose.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The one that every Whole Foods and Sprouts has, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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when a non Orthodox person praise for Christ, are they

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praying to the same Christ. I'm author Orthodox person is

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praying to you? Or is it someone different?

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Speaker 1: Say that again?

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what are you doing in the background, man, dude, it's loud.

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same reference just because they intend it. And it's just

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like a Mormon may mean the right Jesus, but the

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Mormon Jesus is not the right Jesus. So but God

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can hear and knows everyone's prayers and he knows their

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thank you for the the support there. I'm just going

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to say that I mean accusing me of teaching authority

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worth it because I teach that the Theophanes are real.

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they're a translator of Orthodox texts, they don't have any

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degree in translation. They just joined the church, like not

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even two years ago. So if they want to go

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that route, that's they can do that. Christians for Trump, Hello, m.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So what do you have are you like against libertarians?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 8: What do you call libertarians to debate?

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Speaker 1: I'm against a lot of the ideas of libertarianism. You

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are you.

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Speaker 8: Like, by libertarian do you mean like anarchists or do

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you mean more.

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Speaker 1: Like any of those any of those positions?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 9: So, so like if if I'm a libertarian, for example,

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and I believe that government should be limited to boundaries

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within just the constitution, like what's wrong with that?

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Speaker 1: If?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 9: So if if I'm a libertarian, I believe that we

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have a government that is stepping over and traveling on

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the boundaries that the Constitution said on it.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? Well, that's not what libertary. What

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I disagree with libertarianism about. I disagree with the Enlightenment

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ethos of libertarianism.

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Speaker 8: Can you clarify it? With the Enlightenment ethos means, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean the Enlightenment like libertarianism comes out of that whole

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ethos of rights are natural, grounded in natural law. They

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come from the bottom up. There's no divine authority, negative liberty.

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I mean, I see all these is a problem. The

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state only exists to promote pleasure utilitarianism, I mean, all

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these things are a problem.

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Speaker 9: Okay, I would agree with you on that. I believe

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that rights come from God, so I would agree with

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you on that. So I'm currently an RCIA to become

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a Catholic. And one of the things that drew me

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to Catholicism versus Orthodoxy was that the Bible says that

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God would not allow the gates of Hell to basically

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overcome the Church.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how do you know that's the Roman Catholic

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Church and not the Orthodox Church.

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Speaker 8: Well, because they were one church before the skidom.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so how does that but how does that not

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it's the Roman Church?

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Speaker 8: Well, so the Roman Catholic position is still.

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Speaker 9: That the Orthodox Church as a valid priesthood in valid

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Speaker 1: But what does that have to do with it? Yeah,

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but it's it's in schism according to traditional Calolque teaching,

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true Church anymore. If it's not in union with the

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Holy See, it's not the true Church. So how does

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that tell you that it's the Roman Catholic Church that

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is a fulfillment of Matthew sixteen's promise.

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Speaker 9: Because even though that it's not in communion with the

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with the Pope, it still has valid Holy orders in

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a valid priesthood.

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Speaker 1: It's not are you going to answer the question or

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you don't understand the question.

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Speaker 8: I don't understand the question.

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Speaker 1: How does that tell you it's the true Church when

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it's in schism, it's not in communion with the Roman Church.

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So how do you know that Matthew sixteen is still

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it's fulfilled in the Roman Church and not the Orthodox Church?

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Orthodox have absolute succession doesn't answer. Isn't an answer to

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that question?

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Speaker 9: Okay, so yeah, that's what I was going to say,

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because they have apostholic succession.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I thank you for the question, but

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you're not You're not getting it, So moving on business

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orthodox category.

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Speaker 3: Cool, yep.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you real quick.

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Speaker 3: I've heard Catholics making these statements.

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Speaker 9: That the essence energy distinction is only conceptual and the

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polem Moss disciple taught that.

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Speaker 3: What would you say to that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a whole article written by a UNI

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eight scholar, Christian Copas. If you're talking about Scolarios, and

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the whole point is that you can't say that it's

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purely conceptual. It's prior to conception. Is the terminology that

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they use, and the Polemite synods define them as distinct realities.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, the article is on the energies and I'm

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not recommending this weirdo's website, but it's let me find it.

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Hold on. You just read the Essence Inergy Distinction of

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the Theology of Saint Canadius Scolarios by Father Christian Kapas,

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who's one of the most famous Uni eight scholars, and

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he admits that obviously these are they're not. It's the

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essence intytinction is not concept purely conceptual. It's not the

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tonistic position. And the Fourth Palamite Synod condemns the idea

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that it's only conceptual. So if you have the Orange,

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if you have the Orange book right here by Palomas

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has a Cows controversy. The Fourth Palamite Synod is concerned

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with that very position that it's purely conceptual, and it's

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rejected in the Tomos of thirteen sixty eight. I wrote

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a whole article on my substack on it. The toe

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mistic view is explicitly rejected. So it's utterly idiotic to

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think that you can combine these two positions, because.

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Speaker 9: You know, I think they try to quote mine of

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Palomas disciple.

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Speaker 3: It seems like it does.

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Speaker 1: What they do You mean Scolarios, Well, we have a

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bunch of people in my discord who are translators, not

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fake translators who claim that they are when they don't

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have any degrees in anything, and they have actually translated

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various texts from Scolarios. And now he does not teach

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anything close to the tonistic position, so Copies is correct.

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Scolarios explicitly says that Aquinas is completely wrong on the

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Essen center distinction. Thomas denies it. Thomas thinks that the

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attributes are only distinguished in the mind. Yeah, there you go.

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I mean it's kind of a silly position, really. I mean,

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if you just get into the literature, you don't have

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to go very far before you find out. Oh that's

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the case. Baki baki? Are you going on? Mute backy

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b a k. I try again? Parabolic h h. I

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don't know what's going on. People having a hard time. Sheriff, sheriff, Oh,

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marsha reef.

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Speaker 2: A j how are you?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Question for you? Is human nature simple or composite?

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, it's clearly composite. Multiple church fathers say

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it's composite body and soul, and anything created is also composite.

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Speaker 2: Right understood? Understood?

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Speaker 10: Would it be correct to say that a human being

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is consubstantial with the substance of the flesh and also

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consubstantial with the substance of the soul.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the word human being usually refers to a

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whole human being, body and soul, So I don't know

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what you mean?

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Speaker 11: No, I understand.

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Speaker 10: As in, for example, if we were to think of

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them as two sets, right, the set of all you know,

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human souls and the set of all human flesh, would

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a single.

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Speaker 2: Body be a member of both sets? Like? Would that

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be okay to say consubstantial.

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Speaker 10: With the substance of the soul and consubstantial with the

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substance of the body.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't understand what the point of that is.

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Why would you want to say that?

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Speaker 10: Well, so, the only reason why I'm asking is again

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with the you know, hypostatic union, the the act of

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composition I guess of Christ?

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Speaker 2: Like, is there a reason why.

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Speaker 10: The Calcedonian position Isn't that Christ has three natures? Actually,

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because there's the substance of the logos and the substance

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of the flesh and the substance of the human soul.

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Speaker 1: It's just distinguishing two different types of things. It doesn't

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mean that it's a different, wholly different nature. Because the

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body is solid and in space and time and has

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spatial location. It doesn't mean that the soul is therefore

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a totally different substance or nature. Because the term human

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nature is supposed to encompass the two together. So no,

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it's not three different natures. Just because the term nature

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or the term substance is used in a different way.

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Substance in the modern word, can you mute when you're

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not talking, there's like a loud static. Oh sorry, So

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after Descartes, substance takes on a different meaning. In Western philosophy,

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substance typically means some kind of substrate or some kind

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of physical collection of corpuscles or molecules or atoms. In

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the ancient world, when that terminology is used, or in

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the Middle Ages or whatever, they're just talking about a

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term that encapsulates one type of thing or one kind

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of thing. So angels and souls are non physical types

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of things, and so they might be called, you know,

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aerial substances, or the soul is a type of substance.

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nature in the strict definition the way that it's used

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in the terminology of the councils. So no, even though

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body and soul are two different types of things, they're

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not intended to be strictly speaking, different natures in the

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same sense as divine nature and human nature. Nature just

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encompasses the two together in that context.

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Speaker 10: I guess I'm wondering, then, what to make of sin

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Cyril's you know, pointing to the composition of body and

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soul as.

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Speaker 1: A model for It's an analogy. It's an analogy for

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the two natures coming together in Christ. It doesn't mean

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that there's three natures in Christ. It's just an analogy.

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It's called the henautic union.

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Speaker 3: No, I understand.

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Speaker 10: I guess I'm wondering then, if saying that that single

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nature that since Cyril talks about is actually just the

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composite then of all three effectively, right, it's a composite

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of the human and the divine, and the human itself

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is a composite of soul and body, but used to

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end up with one singular composition at the top level.

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Speaker 1: Well, but even he says in the two letters Sysic census,

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that is not a tertion quid. So it's it still

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retains the properties of being created and being uncreated, which

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means that there's two natures. So no, it's not a

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triplicity that's blended into a tertion quid.

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Speaker 10: I guess that tertia quid would be if any of

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the constituent ingredients change their properties somehow, but the composition

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does not necessarily require the change of properties.

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Speaker 1: Right, Tersion quid means that it's a third new thing. Right,

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So if it's a third new thing, then we don't

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have any connection to it anymore in orders God. So

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it doesn't bridge the gap between God and Man. That's

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what urson quid is a reference to. So it can't

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be a new nature. That's some whole. That's all the

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three triplicity natures are blended into. That's what That's all

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I'm trying to say. And the two letters to extens

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to say that it continues to keep its properties proper

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to those natures. So it never ceases to be created,

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it never ceases to be uncreated, because it's a hypostatic

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union for all eternity.

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Speaker 2: Got it.

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Speaker 10: So so let me ask you a question of kind

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of like the Calcedonian, you know, teaching on the hypostatic union.

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the logos exist in the mode of humanity, is that

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is that the phrasing.

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Speaker 1: That use yeah, in hymbostatize, right.

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Speaker 10: Okay, So my question to you is, because you know

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the incarnation can be measured in a moment in time, right,

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twenty five years ago or whatnot where the incarnation takes place.

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divinity prior to some point, but then exists in another

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mode or in hypocifizes something new starting in a moment

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in time, doesn't that necessarily require a change in the

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divine hypothesis.

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Speaker 1: It's not a substantial change. It's a change in the

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sense of adding something new, Like I put on a

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coat and so I have something new on me. But

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my substance does not change. My being does not change

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in itself. That's why we sing in the liturgy. He

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underwent no change.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And I was just trying to reconcile the two, right,

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like how.

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Speaker 1: The divinity is impossible. Divinity is impossible. He can't change, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no, I agree, I agree hundred percent. I know

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that that's like a bedrock, you know, foundation for everything.

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00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: So what's meant by what's meant by the incarnation is

472
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,960
that he assumed a new nature, not that he underwent

473
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:23,319
substantial change. In that assumption, he's still the same divine person.

474
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,759
He's still the same divine person, that the same divine agent,

475
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,200
that the same divine subject, and now that he's added

476
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,400
a new nature, human nature to the previous divine nature

477
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,119
that he possesses.

478
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: No, I totally understand that. I totally get it.

479
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,359
Speaker 10: I guess it's that that that that notion of and

480
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:43,720
hypostheesization that I'm asking about, right, because that is you

481
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:45,240
are giving existence to.

482
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: Something new in the hypothesis of the locals.

483
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,039
Speaker 1: Again, so you guys misunderstand what that term means, right,

484
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,720
So they got that the Oriental dude that tried to

485
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,119
call into debate, when the all it means is that

486
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:00,720
he assumed a new a new thing, and the new

487
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,960
thing that he assumed exists in the mode of the

488
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,480
person that has it now. It doesn't mean that it

489
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,880
changed into something different. I don't know why or where you.

490
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,519
I'm not trying to be mean to you or him,

491
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,279
but I had no idea where you would get the

492
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:16,359
idea that the word in hypostatized means that it undergoes

493
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,880
some substantial change. If it changed its substance, it's no

494
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,039
longer the same substance. Ergo, it's no longer human nature.

495
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,319
All that changed. In that sense, maybe you're referring to

496
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:30,400
the idea of deification. So the uncreated energies do deify

497
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,559
the humanity that he assumed. That's the teaching of the

498
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,160
sixth Council. But it's still the human it's still a

499
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,119
human nature. It's not a human subject. It's a human

500
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,480
nature that has for its subject the divine person who

501
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,720
assumed it. So that's all in hypostatized means. It means

502
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,279
it refers to the mode, the mode of the nature

503
00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:49,720
that he assumed, the human nature of Christ. The mode

504
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,279
of its existence is in is in the existence of

505
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,200
the divine person of the word. It's his. Now just

506
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,839
think again, Athanacious all the way up until Maximus uses

507
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,000
the analogy of a code. Okay, it's analogy. So I'm

508
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,880
a person, Jay, I have human nature. I put on

509
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,640
a coat. I've added something to what I have. That

510
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,240
coat now exists in the mode of Jay Dyer, who

511
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,160
possesses it and has it as his own. That's an

512
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,079
analogy that the church fathers use consistently for the human nature.

513
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:22,519
The coat is not a person. It becomes part of

514
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,960
my person, you could say, because it's now personalized. It's

515
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,480
Jay's coat. So the human nature that he assumed becomes

516
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:30,799
the human nature of the divine person of the word

517
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,559
who assumed it. It's not a subject. Does it undergo

518
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,599
a change, not substantially, but it's deified.

519
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: No, I totally, I totally understand.

520
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,319
Speaker 10: I guess with the coat analogy, which which I like,

521
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,319
by the way, that's.

522
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,079
Speaker 1: That's used by Maximus and as nations.

523
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's great. I think.

524
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,319
Speaker 10: The question then becomes like the the that's a hyposthesis

525
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,720
of a coat that exists in reality.

526
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: It's not a hypostasis. It's not a hypostasis. That's the

527
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:01,599
confusion that you guys. It's a nature, not a hypostasis.

528
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:08,200
So after the Cappadocians, after the Cappadocians, hypostasis is specified

529
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,119
to refer to the subject or our agent that has

530
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,559
the nature. It is not just a nature. That's the

531
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:19,079
confusion here. So Orientals think. Orientals think that hypostasis refers

532
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,720
to just a concrete nature or an individuated nature, and

533
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,119
we do not believe that anymore. That's the source of

534
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,720
the confusion. Do you understand why or not?

535
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: So well?

536
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,759
Speaker 10: That helped me understand, right, So in terms of it

537
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,839
being a particular instantiation of a lusia, right, So like

538
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,039
a code analogy, it is a particular instantiation of that particularka.

539
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,279
Speaker 1: That's the older definition that's used at Nicea. That's no

540
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:51,079
longer used after Nicia and the Cappadocians, it's no longer

541
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,079
used that way. So no, it's not that, and that's

542
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:58,119
why we make the distinction between That's why we make

543
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,440
the distinction. But no, Cyril himself even makes this distinction

544
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200
between nature and person. So no, a hypostasis is not

545
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,400
just an instantiated nature. And I mean I can prove

546
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,880
this to you very easily. How many hypostaces are there

547
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,519
in the Trinity?

548
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,279
Speaker 2: There are three hypostaces?

549
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:20,599
Speaker 1: Okay, So are there three instantiated natures in the trinity?

550
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,559
Well there are three answers, No, No, there's not. That's

551
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:28,759
the error of John Philipponis. There's not three natures in

552
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:32,079
the trinity. There's three hypostaces with one nature. That's why

553
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:34,160
you have to distinguish nature in person, because it reflects

554
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:34,960
back on the trinity.

555
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: You see.

556
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,279
Speaker 11: No, no, I understand me.

557
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: I did not mean to say that there's three different natures.

558
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: Of course, not Okay, then you can't say that the

559
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,799
hypostatius is just an instantiated nature, because there's that would

560
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,480
be three natures, three gods in the trinity.

561
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,279
Speaker 2: No, sorry to use that.

562
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 10: To use analogies again, right, if there is, I'm sorry.

563
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,440
I obviously divine mystery should not be compared to to

564
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:57,920
human things.

565
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: But just for the sake of or for this.

566
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: Is why the human nature cannot be called a hypostasis.

567
00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:08,360
It's not because for us that means a subject or

568
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,159
an agent. That would be an historian. Okay, it's a

569
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,840
human nature, not a human person or subject or agent.

570
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: No, no, I I totally understand that.

571
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,039
Speaker 10: Of course, I'm not accusing you of saying a second hypostasis.

572
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,480
That's not my point, right I am no.

573
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: No, I know that you. I know that you weren't

574
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,599
saying that my position is a historian. But I'm saying

575
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,079
that there's a reason why we do not call what

576
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:34,599
he assumed a human hypostasis. It's not. It's explicitly rejected.

577
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:38,679
The human nature exists in the mode of the hypostasis

578
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,199
of the sun. The only hypostasis. The only person or

579
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,679
agent there is the Sun. There's no human hypostasis at all.

580
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,679
Period that's rejected of the six Council.

581
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 10: But why does the third anathema says an athema to

582
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,199
those who did lie that two hypostaces after.

583
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,519
Speaker 1: The union you talk about ephesis or you you're talk

584
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:04,239
about emphasis or calcila apaths emphasis. Yeah, because at that

585
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,320
point that's using the word hypostasis in the older definition,

586
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,280
which I'm telling you that eventually, after the Cappadocians, eventually

587
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,760
this becomes specified to be agent and not nature. This

588
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,400
is why if you look at Nicea right, it talks

589
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:25,159
about God being what having one hypostasis. God is not

590
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,679
one hypostasis, but it means nature there.

591
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of the original Niceeing Creed, I've

592
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,400
seen that. Yeah before.

593
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: That's because at that time it meant nature, and the

594
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,320
example that you're using, it's referring to nature. It's not

595
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,800
talking about the agent or the subject that has the nature.

596
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,480
This has developed after this time, specifically at the Fifth Council.

597
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,760
The Fifth Council said this is why n hypostatize comes

598
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,360
into play, because that's intended to signify the mode of

599
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,880
the nature, which is in the subject of the person

600
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,920
that has it.

601
00:35:57,679 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 10: Okay, I'm still trying to get a handle on the

602
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,679
on the mode, which is fine, it's no problem.

603
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: I do have another question for you, which is related.

604
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:06,079
Speaker 1: Let me let me help you out. Let me help

605
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:10,480
you out. So sure nature for us, as this theology

606
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,400
gets specified after chlsenon into the fifth and sixth Council,

607
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:20,039
nature refers to what a thing is, okay. Person refers

608
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,960
to the who, the operator, the agent, the subject, the

609
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,719
who okay, and that for us is what hypostasis ultimately

610
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,559
comes to mean. We do not anymore use that older

611
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,840
definition that was used at Nicea and the example that

612
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,920
you're talking about with ephesis and sometimes Cyril uses that

613
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,719
older definition, which is part of the there's reason why

614
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,119
there's confusion between these to end orientals right to orthodox orientals.

615
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:50,039
Eventually it means subject or it means subject or agent,

616
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,480
and so the confusion results from people going back to

617
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:56,599
the older definition of hypostasis as a nature and that's

618
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,559
not how it's being used anymore. That's why Epistle letter

619
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:03,280
thirty eight of Basil says on the distinction between nature

620
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,800
and person. And again, the reason I went to the

621
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,960
trinity is that that's the easiest way to show you

622
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,519
that you can't use that older definition of hypostasis anymore

623
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,320
because when you when you refer back to the trinity,

624
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,239
it doesn't work. You can't say that there's three natures

625
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,920
in the Godhead. So how hypostasis can no longer mean

626
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:25,960
or refer to in the councils and in this theology

627
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,159
just an instantiated nature. It has to be more precise

628
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,280
to be the agent or the subject that has the nature,

629
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,039
hence the nature person distinction.

630
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: Okay, that's thank you for that, Jay. I do have

631
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,880
a related question on that. So you know, the saying

632
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,119
goes from the fathers that.

633
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 10: That is what is not assumed is not saved, which

634
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,760
of course makes sense. So we know that in the incarnation,

635
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,239
the only prosopa and the only divine side and the

636
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,320
only subject is the divine person of the logos. No

637
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,079
disagreement there, I guess, is God saving human flesh and

638
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,039
human souls or is he saving human persons? Because then

639
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,280
there's kind of like a dilemma, I think, And by

640
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,400
the way, this is a genuine question. I'm trying to

641
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,079
figure out how to square this because that which is

642
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,960
not assumed does not saved, and we know that he

643
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,199
did not assume a human person that's historianism.

644
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: So then all he assumes is human flesh and even soul.

645
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,679
Speaker 10: Is God just saving souls and flesh or is he

646
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,519
saving persons?

647
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,639
Speaker 1: No, that's the person is the unique mode of the

648
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:30,440
individual's existence. So this is why you're not understanding differences

649
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,920
between the things and themselves and the mode of the thing.

650
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,920
So mode refers to how a thing exists or the

651
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,320
way that a thing exists. And this is important in

652
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,280
theology because, for example, when we distinguish in the trinity,

653
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,559
let's say nature in person, right, and we say that

654
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,679
there's three persons and there's one common nature in the trinity.

655
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,760
Mode helps us to explain how that nature exists in

656
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,079
what way, And it's not abstracted. You don't you don't

657
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:58,800
have this like universal nature that three hypostaces participate in,

658
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,199
and that would be platonic. The way that the divine

659
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,960
nature exists is in the mode of the persons that

660
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:09,119
have the nature, and so eventually unhyposthetized is also stated

661
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,239
of the divine nature. It exists in the mode of

662
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,639
the three hypostaces that possess it. Likewise, human nature exists

663
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,199
in the mode of the specific individual persons that possess it.

664
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,639
I'm the person Jay, You're the person Bob. We have

665
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,800
a common nature between us, but that nature exists in

666
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,199
the unique mode of a hypostasis Jay that possesses that nature.

667
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,480
It exists in the unique mode of the person Bob

668
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:34,199
that possesses that same nature. And so we're not clones

669
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,679
of atom because we have a unique hypostasis or hypostetic

670
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,679
mode of existence that instantiates human nature in a unique

671
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:44,480
way for each person. So that's the distinction between nature

672
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,519
and persons. So Christ assumes in the incarnation all human

673
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,800
nature from all eternity, all of it. And that's why

674
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,840
all the humans are resurrected, you see. But the role

675
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,920
of person here for individual person. That's how we accrue

676
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,280
individual responsibility for virtue or for vice. So even though

677
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,599
we're all going to be resurrected, if I don't recapitulate

678
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:13,519
the virtues and participate in Christ, that resurrection will be

679
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,920
an ever ill being for me, as Maximus says, versus

680
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,599
ever well being. So this is why mode is very important,

681
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:22,719
not just in Godhead or in Christology, but also in

682
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,400
anthropology to distinguish individual persons. So Christ assumed universal human nature,

683
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:32,840
but it's up to every individual person to willingly participate

684
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:37,199
in that in order to receive theosis, because everybody's going

685
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,480
to be resurrected in terms of recapitulation. Not everybody's going

686
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:44,320
to participate in theosis. That's why it requires your own

687
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,639
mode of willing, which is in hypostatic personal.

688
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: It's okay.

689
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 10: So you're saying that the teaching casider teaching is that

690
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,639
he assumed all human nature universal.

691
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:03,079
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, that's why all people are erected. It's called recapitulation.

692
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,400
So go you read Saint Arnaeus and he says Christ

693
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,559
recapitulates everything that Adam lost. The totality of all human

694
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,480
nature is lost in Adam. And one grinty is fifteen,

695
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,840
which is what Urinas is citing. There is the recapitulation

696
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,679
of all the human nature that Adam destroyed all his descendants.

697
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,840
This is why the wicked are resurrected. It's called recapitulation.

698
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,880
It's not taught by Rome's not taught by Protestants. It's

699
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,079
taught by the Orthodox. And Saint Cyril teaches recapitulation, by

700
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:28,440
the way.

701
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 10: So let me ask you, because I always thought that

702
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,679
there was a connection between the necessity of the eucharists

703
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,760
and the resurrection right the promise in John six that

704
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he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood, you know,

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will live forever and I will raise him on the

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last day. I thought that that's how the resurrection, at

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least for the righteousness, everybody's resurrected.

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Speaker 1: That the scope is just as universal in fet grint

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Is fifteen for everyone, as as it was universal that

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what Adam lost. So everybody who fell in Adam will

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be raised in Christ. But that doesn't mean everybody participates

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in thiosis. You see. That's only for those who by

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their own will and decision join the church and live

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the life of the virtues, to participate in the uncredited

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energies to be deified. You see. That's why Maximus says

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we're all going to the same escaton. So Christ in

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the death arone, resurrection and ascension purchased ever being an

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immortality for all human beings, all of our natures are resurrected.

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There's no other basis to be resurrected than Christ's work.

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And this is why it sounds odd. I'm not calling

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you out personally, but it sounds odd to people who've

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grown up.

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Speaker 2: Not you.

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Speaker 1: But like in Western theology, when they hear that Christ

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assume universal human nature, that's why all people are resurrected. What, well,

726
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there's no other basis to be resurrected. God's not just

727
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willing the wicked to have hell bodies, like Augustine says.

728
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This is a thing that Augustine got wrong. He doesn't

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teach recapitulation, even though all the Eastern fathers and the

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people before him taught recapitulation.

731
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Speaker 2: So what role does the Eucharist play then?

732
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Speaker 10: Because I thought that teaching of the fathers is that,

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you know, the tree of life in Genesis is the Eucharist.

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Speaker 1: Then you're you're not understanding just because you're resurrect it

735
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doesn't mean that you're having a good experience. So, as

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Maximus says, in the recapitulation and the restoration, if you

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are wicked, your body will be unable to endure the

738
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divine energies in presence of God, and so it becomes

739
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ever ill being for you. So the resurrection becomes a

740
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bad thing for you. You see, So you're that's what

741
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the damned are. They're in that that state of being.

742
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm willing to know.

743
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Speaker 10: That's fine, I'm willing to grant it that that's not Actually,

744
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that's not what I'm questioning.

745
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Speaker 12: I'm questioning.

746
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Speaker 10: So given that, what role does the Eucharist then play

747
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as the tree of life and the whole k story

748
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of self?

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Speaker 1: Again, what I just said that you don't participate in

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theosis deification without participating in the life of the Church.

751
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So the wicked are resurrected, but they're resurrected to the

752
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resurrection of the unrighteous wickedness. It's on the basis of Christ, though,

753
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but they didn't actualize the potentiality that they had to

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become members of the church, and so their experience is

755
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ever ill being. And those who participate in Theosis, in

756
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the life of the Church and eating of His flesh

757
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and blood participate in ever well being. That's theosis. So

758
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the rey could are resurrected because they don't have theosis.

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Speaker 2: Got it? Okay, very clear, Thank you so much for.

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Speaker 1: The discussion, and this will Yeah, absolutely no, they're great questions.

761
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And if in this alone, By the way, the point

762
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about recapitulation is something that nobody in the West teaches anymore.

763
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I think this if you really understand this. Let's see

764
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if we can find Iaronaeus's comment on it. I don't

765
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know who this is or what this website is.

766
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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 1: This is this is the quote here. It's against heresies

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five twenty one point one. He therefore, in his work Recapitulation,

769
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summed up all things, both waging war against our enemy

770
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and crushing him who had at the beginning led us

771
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away as captives in Adam and trampled upon his head.

772
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As you can perceive in Genesis that God said to

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the serpent, out the imity between you and the woman,

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and between your seed and her seed. And so he

775
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goes on to say that the son of Man then

776
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vanquishes death in our nature through his resurrection, which affects

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the entire nature. You see, So adam sins and everything

778
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that comes out of his progeny is subject to death, decay, immortality,

779
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and the loss of thiosis. In Christ, the nature is

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restored to be immortal. That's why it's resurrected. There's no

781
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other basis for resurrection than Christ. God doesn't just like

782
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arbitrarily will that all the wicked be resurrected, and they

783
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have no connection to Christ. First Critan is fifteen is

784
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teaching recapitulation, and it's comparing the scope to Christ. And

785
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this is really hard for Protestants and Roman Calloics to understand.

786
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So that's why we come over here. And Christ has

787
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risen from the dead, has become the first fruits of

788
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those who fallen asleep. For by man came death. So

789
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also by man comes resurrection of the dead. For an

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atom all die, So in Christ all will be made alive,

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each one in his own order. Christ is the first

792
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fruits and afterwards of those who come after him. At

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his coming, then is the end when he delivers the

794
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kingdom up to God right. So he must reign until

795
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he has put all enemies under his feet. The last

796
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time me to be destroy his death, and then he

797
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will be all and end all. So you'll notice the

798
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scope of what Atom brought right is to all human beings. Likewise,

799
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all people are resurrected in the general resurrection only on

800
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the basis of Christ. There's no other basis for resurrection.

801
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And this is called recapitulation, which is taught by the

802
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Eastern fathers, taught in Western Latin theology, and it's main

803
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it's taught by Cyril. I don't so Let mean you

804
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get I'm not dissing that previous guy, but we've got

805
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like orientals coming in here trying to quote Cyril teaches recapitulation.

806
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So it's like, do you not read you guys, don't

807
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read your own dudes? Uh, I mean Cyril explicitly says,

808
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Jesus assumes universal human nature. How else are all humans resurrected?

809
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There's no other basis for it.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's a great article, by the way, by orthodox professor

812
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that touches on this Jesus Christ the universal person. And

813
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this is an article written by Uh, I'm trying to

814
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remember this professor's name, Manzerites. He's the guy that wrote

815
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the Palamas book, Georgios manser Rites And by the way,

816
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his Palomas book says that that that the Theophanies are

817
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actually seen by the visible eye as well. So this

818
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is something that refutes the people who constantly try to

819
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argue with me, people who are just sending in the

820
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super chats who claim to be translators, who don't have

821
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any degree in anything, even though manser Riti says that

822
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they saw the Theophanies with their physical, physical eyes. RC.

823
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I don't know this guy.

824
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Speaker 3: Hello, yep, Hey, it's working today, thankfully.

825
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Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

826
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Speaker 3: So a clarifying question before I get to my actual question.

827
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Speaker 13: Do you believe that Mary is the mother of God

828
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in heaven?

829
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Speaker 1: Yes, she never lost that status because it is always

830
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the case that the person that came forth from her

831
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is God.

832
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Speaker 2: Got it.

833
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Speaker 13: So, then, who was the mother of Jesus Before he

834
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was on earth?

835
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Speaker 1: He did not have a mother because he was not

836
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yet born as a man.

837
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Speaker 3: So why would that change in the heavenly rome.

838
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Speaker 1: Because he stepped into time and space and took on

839
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human nature and a human mother.

840
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Speaker 3: Yeah, human mother.

841
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Speaker 13: Well, he was human, but in his divine form in

842
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:22,960
heaven he's not.

843
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Speaker 3: He doesn't have a mother.

844
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Speaker 1: He's still in his human nature. He ascended in the

845
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human nature that he assumed on earth, so he's still

846
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a man.

847
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Speaker 3: So Jesus' nature changed before he was on earth.

848
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Speaker 1: To after didn't change. Is the same human nature that

849
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,159
we have, except that nature is deified. That's why they

850
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,679
touch him after the resurrection and he eats fish with

851
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,320
them to signify that he still has a human nature.

852
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,920
Didn't go away. We're not gnostics. He has the same nature,

853
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,920
it's just deified.

854
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: He was always deified.

855
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Speaker 1: The human nature was not always deified.

856
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Speaker 13: But we believe he came down in human form even

857
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before Mary conceived him.

858
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Speaker 1: No, he did not have a human form before the incarnation.

859
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Speaker 13: So then in the Old Testament, I think.

860
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Speaker 3: It was was a David. Who is David wrestling with?

861
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Speaker 1: No, it's not David, it's Jacob. So you're not even familiar.

862
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You're not even familiar with the Old Testament.

863
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Speaker 3: So I got I got one name wrong.

864
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Speaker 1: No, you're completely mixed up, like two very different people.

865
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So you're talking about a genesie.

866
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Speaker 2: Lord because I got a name wrong.

867
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Speaker 3: So I know nothing about the Old Testament.

868
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Speaker 1: We're done. You're not familiar with basic theology at all,

869
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so I don't know. We're trying to debate it. That

870
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,800
was the RC guy that wastes everyone's time. Terry, what's up.

871
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,639
I've already lectured on the Theophanes countless times. I'm not

872
00:50:50,719 --> 00:51:02,840
going to go through all this all again. Go ahead, just.

873
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Speaker 11: Have a quick question about what you have been saying

874
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,400
recently on many shows about how you are in support

875
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:16,840
of the Microsoft influence since certain somewhat what circumstances such

876
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,199
as your family members, We're Pudkinson's novel.

877
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a guy at our church that has

878
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,679
the same thing. So what does I mean I'm a

879
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,880
support of micro chips?

880
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 11: Well, my question is, since the Orthodox Church has historically

881
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,880
been opposed to that, how would you.

882
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,519
Speaker 1: Think then you can expose me as a supporter of Antichrist?

883
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,199
So go have fun with that. I'm on, what's up?

884
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 14: Hey, j Thanks for having the impatience to deal with

885
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,079
these idiots. But quick question, can you hear me?

886
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:53,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

887
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Speaker 14: Okay, I just got the Peter Scheff thirty volume church Father,

888
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,079
said Andy Rick, mendations.

889
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Speaker 1: Because Philip chefs.

890
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Phi Chef, That's.

891
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Speaker 11: What I mean.

892
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Speaker 1: Any recommendation.

893
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Speaker 14: Now I can go about reading it because I thought

894
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maybe you would have some recommendations because you've done it before.

895
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Speaker 1: I mean I read every all thirty eight volumes. I

896
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read a lot of it. I mean I would start

897
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with uh Afthenacious on the Incarnation. I would read Gregory

898
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Nazianzus's theological orations. I would read Basils on the Holy Spirit.

899
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Then I would say maybe something like Jerome against Telvidius,

900
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Jerome against Vigilantius. That's how I would go about it.

901
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And then I would then I would start reading like

902
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maybe the Acumenical Councils and the basic Documents in the

903
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because one of the volumes is the Seven Ecmenical Cultures.

904
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Speaker 14: That's what I'm happy I'd call it too, because I

905
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already started reading that and I was like.

906
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Speaker 3: Just confused, So I'll start the other way around.

907
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Speaker 1: You might also, uh, if you don't want to start

908
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,239
with that, because those are pretty heavy theology works. If

909
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,760
you want to start a little bit easier, you could

910
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start with the post Apostolic Fathers and read like the

911
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Letters of Clement, the Letters of Ignacious. That might be

912
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,079
an easier starting point than just starting with Athenacious, but

913
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that's where I would recommend starting. Let's see, I thought

914
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,880
somebody who was a messaging me and not wanting to

915
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:35,760
come to debate. I don't know who this person is,

916
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,519
so I think I have a podcast up to go

917
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,280
do here in a little bit subs account.

918
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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, Hi, I'm.

919
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Speaker 15: Currently looking into orthodoxy. I've been passively observing different conversations

920
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,519
with Bates for about a year and a half now,

921
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and I'm at the point where I'd like to convert.

922
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But my issue right now is my husband. He's not

923
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,800
fully on board part of him is convinced that it's

924
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,519
kind of culty because he grew up Protestant and he's

925
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,280
in a or. Growing up, he was part of a

926
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church where his mom has been able to get ordained

927
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,880
and everything. And though his faith isn't that strong right now,

928
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,840
he's been churched enough to be very wary of the

929
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,159
different things positive by the Orthodox faith.

930
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Speaker 2: And his strongest thing that's.

931
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Speaker 15: Creeping him out is dealing with relics, and I have

932
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,199
a hard time finding information about that. Do you have

933
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,719
any recommendations that would help broach the subject because we

934
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:39,519
have four children?

935
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean read Jerome's essay on relics. It's a classic.

936
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:58,199
I always get against Vigilanteus and against Helvidius mixed up.

937
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:07,360
The one on relics is against Vigilantius, and Jerome will

938
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,039
go through a lot of proof texts and just show

939
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:12,480
kind of the tradition of the church from the earliest days.

940
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:21,760
Against Helvidius is about propetuonal virginity. But yeah, against Vigilantius,

941
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,559
we got some super jets MKG seven ninety nine. Do

942
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:31,800
you think Muslims would try to use that to say

943
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,079
that Mohammad is a correction of the true teaching of

944
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,159
the Kingdom, or they would go with something like what

945
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,000
Daniel said, that Mohammad is the new Moses continue in

946
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,679
the old office. Well, I mean, we've actually brought up

947
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,679
this point about the finality of divine revelation many times

948
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,719
to Muslims and what do you can you guess what

949
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,639
they say? Oh, it's all corrupted, right, that's that's usually

950
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,920
what they go to. Few became a member. What's up?

951
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,239
Few shout out to him. I think you just have

952
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,360
to point out, as I've done many times in many

953
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,360
live streams. I think we've even clipped it, like there's

954
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:10,199
no new revelations. Zachariah was at thirteen eight thirteen predicts

955
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:13,800
that in the Messianic era there's no more prophets. Luke sixteen,

956
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,840
sixteen sixteen is very clear that Jesus is explaining that

957
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,840
John is the last the Old Testament lineage of prophets.

958
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,079
That's why Joseph Smith changed that verse. Right. We've argued

959
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,239
this with countless Mormons. If you look at Luke sixteen

960
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,920
sixteen and the Joseph Smith translation, he changed it because

961
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,360
it's clearly says that there's no more Old Testament prophets.

962
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:40,480
And if that's the case, then out goes Muhammad, outgoes

963
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:42,639
Joseph Smith. You see, so he had to change it.

964
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,280
But also, you know, Jude says in Jude three, is

965
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,880
the faith ones we're all delivered to the saints. You

966
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:56,199
get in Tessalonians, or assume me in Galatians one. Paul

967
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,079
says that it's you know, his his teaching is the

968
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:04,039
judge of anything else that comes. And then providentially, you

969
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,800
could argue that in Revelation twenty two it talks about

970
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,000
not adding to or taken away because there's I think

971
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,400
an assumption of finality to the revelation the book of

972
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,159
the Apocalypse. Now, there could have been you know, in

973
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:20,000
John's day, when he was alive, he could still preach

974
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,199
the oral word of God, and it was the word

975
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,880
of God, and the apostles identified their oral preaching as

976
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,079
the word of God. But when the alas Apostle dies John,

977
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:34,480
there's no more divine revelations. There's no more public divine revelation.

978
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,199
Hence it's the faith once for all, delivered to the saints.

979
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,039
Now there can be miracles and there can be clairvoyance,

980
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:44,199
but that is not divine revelation. It's not the same

981
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:51,000
thing as what is the apostolic deposit And another way

982
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,440
we know this is that the Montanists are condemned for

983
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:58,320
this position, for saying that there's ongoing divine revelation, and

984
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,960
then there's ecstatic British utterance. And it should be obvious

985
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:06,800
why we want this to be the case is that

986
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,639
it cuts off all these all this nonsense. We're not

987
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:15,000
gonna fall prey to all the cults and the Muslims

988
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,639
and the Mormons, because there's a finality to this. So

989
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,159
I just don't I don't get where and why anybody

990
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:26,119
would even want this living water five dollars. Glad to

991
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:27,639
see you still doing your thing. I hope there's more

992
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:31,079
collabse with Sam Hid to come. I mean, I'm officially

993
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:33,119
a writer on the Sam Hid Show, so I don't.

994
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:37,320
I mean, I could theoretically not be asked to continue

995
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,559
to write, but as far as I know, I mean,

996
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,559
they're they're touring and doing stand up right now, but

997
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,960
I assume I'll be writing on episode three, So I

998
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,239
mean he Sam seemed to like and use a lot

999
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:53,559
of what I'd put into the first two episodes, so

1000
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,280
I would guess I'm still I mean, I think there's

1001
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,920
still gonna be collabs anonymous ten dollars. Calvinists often say

1002
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,679
that God does things arbitraary. It's called theological voluntarism. Quote

1003
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,320
according to his will is orthodoxical. We said that arbitrary

1004
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,320
in us is something that only fallen creatures have a

1005
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,440
is anomic will? Well don't. It's just really an idea

1006
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:18,480
that they collapse God's will into his nature, into his essence,

1007
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,559
and they kind of make these things the same because

1008
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:25,199
they have a divine absolutely doing simplicity position. So I

1009
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,599
condom Matt two dollars. How many natures does yacub have? Infinite? E?

1010
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:32,800
Condom Matt two dollars. Jay start a funk go coin. Well,

1011
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,960
I'm pretty much bitcoin supremacist, so I'm not going to

1012
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,960
be starting any any cryptos because I tell people to

1013
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,599
stack bitcoin. And I mean, I don't know why you

1014
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:49,519
guys still haven't been listening. I mean, we're at almost

1015
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,280
we're right next to all time highs. Again. All time

1016
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,079
high was what last week one eight, and we're at

1017
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,480
one oh five to two, So we're only a few

1018
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,199
thousand dollars away from all time high. And people are like,

1019
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:05,840
couldn't wait till the dip to forty K. I don't

1020
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,599
think rids are going to be a dip to forty K.

1021
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,079
I mean, you can wait all you want, you do

1022
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:10,440
what you want. I can't tell you what to do.

1023
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:14,239
But I don't play markets like people think, oh, you're

1024
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,880
gonna play the market. Not really. I have in the past.

1025
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,000
I've followed the cycles, and I've tried this and that trading,

1026
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:22,719
and I did all I did all that for many years.

1027
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:26,239
But it's a lot safer to just stack bitcoin and

1028
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:27,800
you don't even you don't have to worry about anything.

1029
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:31,519
So you know, I'm actually toying with the Jack Mallers

1030
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:35,599
plan of like not even using Fiat at all, and

1031
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:38,639
you can get strike app and literally live on bitcoin.

1032
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,400
The only reason I haven't done that is that I'm

1033
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,760
not sure that. I mean, we already almost kind of

1034
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,159
do that. Pretty much all Fiat I get is automatically

1035
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:48,840
converted into bitcoin. Anyway. I just have to pay taxes

1036
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:53,239
with FIAT, so I don't know if it would actually

1037
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:58,719
benefit me to pay taxes in bitcoin because you pay

1038
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:03,239
capital gains tax, so to me that seems counterintuitive, but

1039
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:09,599
also his his strategy might be because he has a business,

1040
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:11,599
so maybe maybe his setup is a little bit different

1041
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,199
having a business. So I don't know how his taxes work,

1042
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:19,239
because I'm sure he has a multimillion dollar business that

1043
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,760
probably pays a lot of tax I don't know his situation.

1044
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:38,280
But where was the bitcoin question? Over right there? I

1045
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:39,360
want to remind you got to do that. We have

1046
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1049
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1050
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1051
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:56,920
of those awesome, awesome products. My lamp got too heated

1052
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,679
and it burned out over here. There's too much there's

1053
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,360
too much much chalk energy radiating off of me. It

1054
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,800
burned out my my little lamp here. So it's kind

1055
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,679
of it's kind of a dark vibe in here. We

1056
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,320
had a dark synth wave vibe in here. My favorite,

1057
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,760
as you guys know, is that tongue catleie. I'm a

1058
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,719
big thing of the tongue catalee and it's proven to

1059
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,719
boost TESTOSM. So people are like when do you sell?

1060
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:27,039
You guys don't understand. It's it's like that meme that

1061
01:02:27,159 --> 01:02:33,679
you see where it's Neo talking to Morpheus, and Morphius says,

1062
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:39,199
when you understand bitcoin, Neo, you won't even ask about selling.

1063
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,840
You won't sell, You never sell. That's the point. It's not.

1064
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:47,639
It's not you've misunderstood what this is and what my

1065
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:51,440
philosophy on this is. It's not playing a market. It's

1066
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,840
stacking the future of the world reserve currency. And you

1067
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:57,480
understand that.

1068
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 3: What for.

1069
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: States just said that they want to have a strategic

1070
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,400
bitcoin reserve. You don't understand how bullish that is. Like

1071
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,760
Trump just passed the Crypto bill or a Sumi executive order.

1072
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:15,320
It's not perfect. I would rather it be bitcoin and

1073
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,119
not just crypto, but you know, we'll take what I

1074
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:21,000
can get if the Loomis Bill passes. Do you not?

1075
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,960
I don't, Like, I know we're talking about theology day,

1076
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,880
but I just don't understand why you guys don't get

1077
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,239
bitcoin yet. Like I have a super smart audience. How

1078
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:38,719
do you guys not get this? It's not that complicated.

1079
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,199
It does take understanding a feller reserve FIAT system. So

1080
01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:44,519
I guess that's over most people's heads. But this is

1081
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:47,840
an audience that already understands that. So is it just

1082
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,360
the boomer mindset of it not being physical? Like boomers

1083
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,079
just don't understand.

1084
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,719
Speaker 2: I can't touch it, it ain't real.

1085
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: Well, Boomers, do you send emails? Okay? Or do you

1086
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,880
write letters? You send emails? Okay? Boomers? Do you do

1087
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,360
electronic banking? Every boomer I know has the banking app

1088
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,800
on their phone and boomers are using Zel. Now okay,

1089
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:15,440
you're using Zel, but you don't like anyway? Do you

1090
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,679
suggest stacking bitcoin or eth? Eth has been a giant

1091
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:24,239
mass lately. When I was doing trading when when Eth

1092
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,519
popped off, we did pretty good. We made good on

1093
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:30,159
the ethereum when it went from like remember when it

1094
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:32,400
was like seven hundred and five seven hundred dollars and

1095
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,840
then it went up to like four thousand. We did

1096
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,079
pretty good with that, and then I just flipped everything

1097
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:41,199
over into bitcoin. So I don't care anything about like

1098
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,039
stacking now, I don't stack eth. Eth is pretty sucky, dude,

1099
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:48,840
Like it's when it gets high traffic, every transaction is

1100
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,320
hundreds of dollars. I mean, it's just ridiculous. So and uh,

1101
01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:58,400
eth is centralized. It's I don't know. I don't It's

1102
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:03,199
that's why over time I just have more and more

1103
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:07,280
been bitcoin supremacists. So anyway, head on over to chalk

1104
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,360
dot com. You sprone called Jay forty four life, J

1105
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,719
four four life, you to get forty four percent off

1106
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:20,480
all those great products. It's like, I just like you

1107
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:22,960
guys come in the chat and you say all the

1108
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:29,239
same stupid fud that you heard some boomer say on MSNBC,

1109
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:31,360
and you say it to sound smart, and you don't

1110
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,440
sound smart, Like I know that you're just repeating fud

1111
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,639
that you heard on boomer financial shows to sound smart,

1112
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,599
and you don't know what you're talking about. Like Bitcoin

1113
01:05:43,679 --> 01:05:47,039
is a vast rabbit hole of lore, okay, and I

1114
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:51,000
I don't know all the lore. Will it hit one million? Dude?

1115
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:55,719
You don't understand if the Loomiss Bill passes, the government

1116
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:57,800
is buying I don't care about whether you think it's

1117
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,679
good or not. The government is buying a million bitcoin

1118
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,199
in five years. That means bitcoin will be one million

1119
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:11,920
dollars per coin in five years at least. Does this

1120
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:16,440
not register with you? Guys? I'm trying to help you.

1121
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,079
Don't waste my time and your time typing out boom

1122
01:06:22,119 --> 01:06:26,320
or fud that you heard Dave Ramsey say to sound smart.

1123
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,920
You don't sound smart, and nobody in the chat cares

1124
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,639
that you think you're sounding smart. No, I don't do XRP.

1125
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:38,440
Why would I want some centralized CEO thing. Well, you

1126
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:40,960
might make money in a short term. Maybe you can't go

1127
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:43,960
for it. That's your thing. I don't want XRP. I

1128
01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:50,320
disagree with it philosophically. The only thing that has any

1129
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,800
potential of taking over the world is bitcoin, and it's

1130
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:58,800
starting to do that. Do you not see this? By

1131
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,480
the way, so everybody I know everything that Whitney web says.

1132
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,480
I've been listening to Whitney webin ring here for years.

1133
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:05,760
I disagree with her on some of these points. She

1134
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,039
has some good points, and somebody sent me some like

1135
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:12,719
super bitcoin Architect dude, and I put it in the

1136
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,800
community tab. He spent doing a one hour critique of

1137
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,519
the pros and cons of Whitney Webb's take right here,

1138
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,639
and I thought it was a very good balanced reply.

1139
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,239
His name is bitcoin mechanic. This dude knows more than

1140
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,760
I do about the technical side of this. Okay, I

1141
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,000
don't know all the technics. I engage you with it

1142
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:37,360
from an investment standpoint. And I like Catherine Austin Fitz.

1143
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,199
We've done many interviews. I respect her, but I totally

1144
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:43,960
disagree with her on bitcoin. And so Bitcoin University did

1145
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,559
a response critique of her right here. So I think

1146
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:54,039
that they are wrong on these points. And I've heard

1147
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:58,480
these same points, by the way, since twenty seventeen when

1148
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:05,039
I started, and who was right? Who was right? Since

1149
01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:07,679
twenty seventeen? What bitcoin was two thousand, eight hundred dollars

1150
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,920
or whatever it was back then, Oh we were. It's

1151
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,680
one hundred and five thousand dollars right now, three thousand

1152
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,439
dollars to one hundred and five thousand dollars right now.

1153
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,960
The market is all you libertarians. The market has decided

1154
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:30,960
it is not unrealistic to say that bitcoin would be

1155
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,720
one million dollars. It would be ten times all the gold.

1156
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,720
No do you understand that, dude? You have no idea

1157
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,319
what you're talking about. The market cap of gold will

1158
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:45,600
be surpassed by bitcoin. Bitcoin already flipped silver a cool nick,

1159
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,800
and when bitcoin flips gold, it will be what five hundred,

1160
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:56,079
six hundred and seve hundred thousand. That's just flipping gold.

1161
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,359
And the reason that the government buying one million will

1162
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,640
send it to a million a coin is because the

1163
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,000
other nation states will also then try to front run

1164
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:10,359
and buy it as well. You see, don't you understand

1165
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:15,600
that it's already it's not just the US government, the Feds,

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it's the NATE, that's the States. This is all over

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:23,840
Twitter today. Nobody saw the news today, Guys. I just

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01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,239
don't I just don't get it. Like I was telling

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Jamie this yesterday, I'm like, how come people don't understand this.

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01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:33,399
I don't understand why they can't grasp what is going

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01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:41,319
on with this. Let me show you how many states

1172
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:53,079
is it? Pennsylvania, Illinois, Texas are the ones I saw today.

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01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,880
Now the EU is idiotic because they're the ones still

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,600
pushing that there will never be anything like that, so

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01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:06,520
that they're sealing their own doom. I mean, I was

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01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,520
at the bitcoin conference when Trump said.

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Speaker 6: This nose by hard never sell your bitcoin.

1178
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Speaker 3: Uh That's right, isn't it? Huh?

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,279
Speaker 1: Has Trump made good on the rest of these promises?

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Speaker 2: How did I figure that way?

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01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 6: So far he has to sell your midcoin and so

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01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,199
as the final part of my plan. Today, I am

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01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:33,720
announcing that if I am elected, it will be the

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policy of my administration United States of America to keep

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01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,520
one hundred percent of all the bitcoin the US government

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01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,199
currently hals or acquires into the future. We'll keep one

1187
01:10:46,279 --> 01:10:46,960
hundred percent.

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Speaker 16: I hope you do well.

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Speaker 1: Please.

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Speaker 6: This will serve and effect as the core of the

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strategic national Bitcoin stockpile.

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Speaker 1: As you know, as you.

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Speaker 6: Know, as you know, most of the bitcoin currently held

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by the United States government.

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01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:09,119
Speaker 1: So the Loomis Bill is a proposal to buy one

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01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:12,920
million coins over five years. It's not just one million

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,800
coins over five years, it's also that that will then

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trigger all of the states who want to do this

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already four or five now to buy for each state

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the reserve, and then the other nation states in the

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,720
world doing the same thing. That is why it pushes

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up the price up to a million dollars because of

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01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,880
the supply shock. It's not just the purchase of the

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01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,199
one million by the US government, it's also the rest

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01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:43,880
of the nation states who don't want to be last.

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01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,880
It's called supply demand that forces it up even higher

1207
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,600
because there's not enough bitcoin to go around. You see,

1208
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:57,960
that's the point. Supply shock why do I not like XRP. Well,

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01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:00,399
let's listen to Jack Maler's.

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01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:03,239
Speaker 17: I have to start off with your viral post, your

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01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:06,560
impromptu press conference that you held, because we got some

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01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,439
news lately about this strategic reserve and it might not

1213
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just be bitcoins, So I just want to get your

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01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,520
take and your message for the community.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, well, I think that a bitcoin strategic reserve. So firstly,

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01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,319
this concept, this idea that's been floated around and it

1217
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:25,680
seems like we're making political progress. I think it would

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be one of the most important economic announcements in US history.

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Important meaning, I think on par was something like Nixon's

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announcement in nineteen seventy one. However, I think the big

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01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,880
difference that no one's talking about enough is it would

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be one of the first positive economic announcements. So important

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01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:49,359
doesn't bias positive or negative. It means it's meaningful to

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the public. But meaningful to the public has usually been

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negative with economic US announcements. Nineteen thirty three was a

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really big one, and it was the confiscation of gold.

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Seventy one Nixon, the one I keep referencing was a

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really big one. It was divorcing ourselves from the gold Standard,

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which the way I like to think about it is

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divorcing our monetary policy from the immutable laws of mother

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nature and the ability for the government to print currency,

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debase currency, and inflate.

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Speaker 3: The goods and services of the people in the public.

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Speaker 18: And then two thousand and eight was another very important

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I would say, economic announcement and string of decisions from

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financial authorities.

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Speaker 2: But was it positive.

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Speaker 18: No, it was that financial authorities took the side of

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01:13:33,319 --> 01:13:37,680
Wall Street banks in private corporations and burdened the cost

1240
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,960
of the mistakes on the people on the public. And

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I think a Bitcoin strategic preserve would be as important

1242
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,479
and the caliber of those type of financial announcements but positive,

1243
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,079
And I think there's a lot of insights in that

1244
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:58,479
idea because this is an asset that's owned only two

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,640
three four percent of the bitcoin network is owned by governments.

1246
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Who owns it, Natalie, the people, the public. This is

1247
01:14:06,079 --> 01:14:10,079
an asset where it's monetary policy cannot be changed, it

1248
01:14:10,119 --> 01:14:14,159
cannot be forced to seizeiture, it's global, it's inclusive. You

1249
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,720
could buy a pennyworth of bitcoins. You're talking about a

1250
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,439
financial instrument that can measure a grain of sand or

1251
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,960
a professional sports team, right, and so this is in

1252
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,800
the best interest of the people. It's in the best

1253
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,640
interest of the public. And we're reaching an inflection point

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where is the future of the money one of the

1255
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people or one of corporations. And so I think it's

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as important but positive. And when I see something like

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Ripple lobbying privately as a for profit corporation to undermine

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01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:49,319
this idea of a positive announcement that's in the best

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01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:51,680
interest as a people, in the best interestment.

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Speaker 1: To understand, Ripple is a corporation, has a CEO. It's lobbying.

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Bitcoin is not a corp, doesn't have a central office,

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doesn't have CEO.

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Speaker 18: Just to the public, it's changing the tide of the

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last century of American economic announcements in monetary policy against

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01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,680
the public, against the people, and really changing the momentum

1266
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in our direction as a country and the leader of

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the free world. Ripple is bringing us back to all

1268
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of the awful announcements that are against the best interest

1269
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,520
of the public that I just walked us through. Right,

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this is private lobbying acting as innovation, acting as a

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public good in service.

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Speaker 3: But what is it?

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01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 18: Ripple printed one hundred billion x Orp tokens gave it

1274
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,039
to themselves, and the distributions to people is by them

1275
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:39,640
selling it.

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01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 1: That's centralization, that's fiat. That is opposite of what bitcoin

1277
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,359
is in principle. This was twenty one hours ago.

1278
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,399
Speaker 19: Bitcoin reserve from the Trump administration. Everyone's waiting for that.

1279
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,720
We got the study and the review, but the Bitcoin

1280
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,279
Reserve Texas is going to move forward. It looks like

1281
01:15:58,399 --> 01:16:02,600
with legislation Dan Patrick announced today that's a big priority

1282
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,640
for them in Texas. But how about the Trump administration, Well, there's.

1283
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 20: Also a bill in the center. I think Cynthia Lummis

1284
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,119
from Wyoming has introduced a bill to create a national

1285
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:14,960
Bitcoin Reserve. The President Trump has asked us to study

1286
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,800
that issue. So we're just not ready to comment on

1287
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,359
it yet, but it's one of the things our working

1288
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:19,199
group's going to look at.

1289
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: Polymarket has that or has had that at seventy percent.

1290
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I don't know what it is today. Pass If that passes,

1291
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,800
then I'll be retiring very soon in the next five years.

1292
01:16:35,319 --> 01:16:37,399
By retiring, I don't mean I won't be working. I

1293
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,560
mean that I won't have to work. I'll be doing

1294
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,720
whatever I want, which means i'll be doing what we

1295
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:47,199
do already denise five dollars. Excuse my boomeriness. Where do

1296
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,159
you buy bitcoin and get started with a couple hundred?

1297
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:52,520
What I would do is treat it as and like,

1298
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:53,880
I can't tell you what to do, but if I

1299
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,640
only had a little bit, I would just start stacking

1300
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,159
it and use it as a savings account. That's what

1301
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:02,560
I would do. You can get started with Swan bitcoin

1302
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:11,600
in the show description. Swan is right here anyway. So

1303
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,560
we got Texas, We've got Illinois, We've got Pennsylvania, We've

1304
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:19,439
got a couple other states. Oh wait, now South Dakota.

1305
01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:26,640
Look at the states introducing the idea of bitcoin strategic reserve.

1306
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:34,600
Don't you understand fifteen? I didn't even know it was

1307
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,279
that many. I thought it was like five. So this

1308
01:17:36,359 --> 01:17:40,359
is news to me. If this is accurate, I assume

1309
01:17:40,399 --> 01:17:46,079
it's pretty accurate. Maxkuiser was telling Russia that they should

1310
01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:50,600
introduce a bitcoin strategic reserve for Russia with no ship coins.

1311
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,840
That's funny. And yes, as somebody in the chat pointed out,

1312
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,680
we got a super chat this says about check. Yeah,

1313
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,680
I did see this. The Czech Central is now the

1314
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,199
first Bobby c five dollars saying they want to buy

1315
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:10,560
billions of euros for a check strategic reserve for bitcoin exactly,

1316
01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:15,319
so very very bolish. Everything is super bowlish bitcoin wise,

1317
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:22,399
Travis Phillips ten dollars. Is it worth pursing through the

1318
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,119
BTC ETF or just simply holding it? Well, remember, part

1319
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:29,079
of the point at bitcoin is to remove third party trust,

1320
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:34,720
So I wouldn't buy black Rock Fidelity or whatever ETFs.

1321
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:37,800
I mean that's for boomers who know nothing but one

1322
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:42,079
exposure to it. I believe in self custody because that

1323
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:46,359
means getting rid of banks and middlemen. I support that idea,

1324
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,439
so I'm not going to destroy you. There may be

1325
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:56,399
some situations where Grandpa's, Grandma's boomers want exposure to bitcoin

1326
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,560
and they don't have the time or the energy to

1327
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:03,479
keep up with person custody, you know, seed phrases, all

1328
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,399
the difficulties that can come with this. I mean, dude,

1329
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,359
boomers are still clicking on like you know, email links

1330
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,439
with dancing babies at scam them, so they're probably not

1331
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:17,119
going to be able to manage you know, seed phrases.

1332
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,720
Let's be honest here, right, I mean it's a joke,

1333
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,199
but not really. So there may be some cases where

1334
01:19:23,239 --> 01:19:28,000
people can get exposure that's not direct and it maybe

1335
01:19:28,039 --> 01:19:30,479
it's works for them Grandma's or something. I don't know.

1336
01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:34,439
Ideally it should be like younger people helping the older

1337
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,800
people or something, you know what I mean. Like that's

1338
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,439
probably better than trust.

1339
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 2: It.

1340
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:44,159
Speaker 1: Would you trust Larry Fink and Boomer stonkmen to do

1341
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:44,840
what they're saying?

1342
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:45,119
Speaker 7: I don't.

1343
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. That's the whole point of bitcoin is to

1344
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:49,840
remove this trust of all these other people in these

1345
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:55,319
failed institutions and scammers everywhere. So there may be some

1346
01:19:55,399 --> 01:19:59,279
cases where pragmatically you could justify the ETF. It's very

1347
01:19:59,279 --> 01:20:04,359
bullish bitcoint obviously when it passed last January. But no,

1348
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,920
I think you're much better off in the long run

1349
01:20:07,319 --> 01:20:11,920
just learning how to self custody, getting uh you know, blockstream, Jade,

1350
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:18,279
or getting a Ledger or whatever wallet you research and

1351
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:23,800
decide you want. Denise, No, we already did, Denise. Uh

1352
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,039
is that? Let me let me check make sure I

1353
01:20:26,079 --> 01:20:31,920
got super tests right here? Yes? Do we have any

1354
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,800
more callers? What's going on over here? Read it?

1355
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:35,039
Speaker 2: Or right?

1356
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: Let's try this?

1357
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:37,399
Speaker 13: Oh?

1358
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: No, go here we go?

1359
01:20:43,119 --> 01:20:43,399
Speaker 3: Yep?

1360
01:20:46,079 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 13: Uh huh hey yeah, So I am a letter a Mormon, right,

1361
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,319
and I've had a.

1362
01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:55,520
Speaker 3: Couple of questions for you.

1363
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 21: Some of them that i'd be interesting is if you're

1364
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:04,359
the whole concept is built off of creation out of nothing, right, which.

1365
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:07,079
Speaker 3: We believe in Christ makes materia, that sort of stuff.

1366
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:10,399
Speaker 2: So you have creat of nothing.

1367
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,199
Speaker 1: God basically just creates.

1368
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,399
Speaker 21: Would you say that God creates whatever he wants, however

1369
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:17,640
he wants, is that would be.

1370
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Speaker 1: Your definition of well, so if eld on, So just

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01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,279
from the outset, like, if you believe in creation out

1372
01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:28,479
of material, you're already a polytheist because you have another

1373
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,880
eternal thing alongside God. So how many eternal uncreateds do

1374
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:32,199
you have?

1375
01:21:35,319 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 21: Well, I mean, if you want to define something eternal

1376
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,800
as well.

1377
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: If God didn't create it, is it eternal?

1378
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,199
Speaker 8: Well yeah, well, I mean that's it's literally in our.

1379
01:21:51,239 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: Right that there is you mean you mean, although, so

1380
01:21:53,359 --> 01:22:02,520
you're saying your script you don't want Book of Mormons.

1381
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 22: Right, So what ey three?

1382
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,399
Speaker 21: That's where you can definement, right, So the seventy three

1383
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,399
it says element is eternal.

1384
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Speaker 2: It says the spirited man was from the beginning with God.

1385
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 1: Right, So you're right, right though, So that's your position,

1386
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,640
and I'm asking you, how are you not a polytheist

1387
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:20,279
if there's two uncreated eternals, Well, I mean we.

1388
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 21: Wouldn't define that as politism because I mean you're coming

1389
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:24,079
from that.

1390
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:25,119
Speaker 2: There has to be this.

1391
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 21: One simple thing that and that is God writing that

1392
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,319
simple thing is eternal, right, that's how you define it,

1393
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,520
and we would just define God is so you.

1394
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 1: Know, so redefine the words. So just redefine the words

1395
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,560
to right, So redefine the words to make the position work.

1396
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,640
So there's an eternal, uncreated thing alongside God, but you

1397
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don't believe in two eternal principles.

1398
01:22:51,159 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 21: So eternal principles and it being God completely different rights

1399
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:56,880
of God.

1400
01:22:57,239 --> 01:22:59,279
Speaker 1: I don't care whether you call it God, because it's

1401
01:22:59,279 --> 01:23:03,760
still polytheism. If there's two uncreated eternal principles, that's two

1402
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,279
polytheism to God's.

1403
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: Well it's okay, So I mean it's not good.

1404
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 1: Well you're just calling it not God, but you're but

1405
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,680
it has the attributes of God eternal and uncreated, but

1406
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:20,960
it's not God, and there's two of them, hence polytheism.

1407
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 21: So God, I guess as we would, the final is

1408
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:29,840
eternally created and has all powers didn't bring about his desire, right,

1409
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:31,880
the element doesn't have power.

1410
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:32,359
Speaker 2: To do anything.

1411
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:35,159
Speaker 1: Well, he's not all powerful. If there's he's not all powerful.

1412
01:23:35,159 --> 01:23:38,359
If there's another uncreated eternal thing next to him he

1413
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:43,039
has so that's not all. So he's not all powerful

1414
01:23:43,039 --> 01:23:49,840
because there's another eternal principle. You're a dualist, So I

1415
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,479
mean sure, so now you're so you admit that it

1416
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,319
is dualism. So sure, well, I mean, I.

1417
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 18: Guess I probably wouldn't have the exact definition of what

1418
01:23:58,800 --> 01:23:59,000
you mean.

1419
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:01,319
Speaker 2: I have memorized.

1420
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: Well, you just said sure. I mean, so there's there's

1421
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:11,319
two eternal uncreated principles, God and Premiam materia. Sure, so

1422
01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:13,760
you're a dualist, and so you're a dualist and then

1423
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:18,880
neuropologist by admission. That's what dualism is defined as.

1424
01:24:20,359 --> 01:24:23,319
Speaker 2: So I mean you're right, I mean.

1425
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:28,199
Speaker 1: Two Polly is two? At least is that more than

1426
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:32,800
one Polly? Two eternal uncreated principles? You said, okay, dualism, Sure,

1427
01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:36,840
that's two, that's Polly.

1428
01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:40,119
Speaker 8: So the thing is that you're using in a.

1429
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: Way that it's like, now, that's colloquially and definitionally an

1430
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,840
academic theology. That's literally what it means more than one

1431
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,079
is polly, that's two. So no, it's not true. Say

1432
01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:54,960
it's just total bullshit.

1433
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:56,159
Speaker 18: That's fine.

1434
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,159
Speaker 2: I have a question for you, though, well.

1435
01:24:58,039 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 23: I have a question for you before you ask my question,

1436
01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:03,319
and my question for you is why do all of

1437
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:06,640
the texts prior to the Joseph Smith translation of Genesis,

1438
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:12,760
whether Protestant, Orthodox, Catholic, none of them contained the additional

1439
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,319
eleven or twelve verses of Genesis that Joseph Smith added

1440
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:17,720
to predict himself.

1441
01:25:20,319 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 14: I think there's an initiated this, right because what he

1442
01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:25,079
adding that?

1443
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Yes, he is adding it there. What are you talking about?

1444
01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:31,119
What do you mean?

1445
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:36,199
Speaker 5: So they this is like a other people try to

1446
01:25:36,359 --> 01:25:36,600
make this.

1447
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,560
Speaker 3: A thing where from the Bible?

1448
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:39,199
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1449
01:25:39,239 --> 01:25:39,560
Speaker 3: He did?

1450
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:43,239
Speaker 2: He so jare Smith?

1451
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 3: Right?

1452
01:25:46,399 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: So your answer is did just yap around it? You're

1453
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:57,680
cutting out, We don't hear you? He uh huh oh right.

1454
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 21: So I'm planning where this comes from because if you.

1455
01:26:03,359 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 7: You know.

1456
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:09,159
Speaker 1: So, I'm looking into the scripture. Come on, man, don't

1457
01:26:09,159 --> 01:26:11,279
give me this crap about. If you actually look into it,

1458
01:26:11,319 --> 01:26:13,279
you'll see where it's coming from. I've got it pulled up.

1459
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:20,880
I've got it pulled up yes, yeah, but how am

1460
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,920
I going to follow the book? Bro, You're missing the point.

1461
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:28,199
Why would I follow the Book of Mormon? No, you're

1462
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:34,279
missing what the Book of Mormon is. Bullshit. I'm not

1463
01:26:34,279 --> 01:26:36,439
going to believe that because this is in the Book

1464
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,920
of Mormon it should be added to the later chapters

1465
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,279
of Genesis, when the entire revelation given to Jews, Christians,

1466
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:48,239
Orthodox Protestants for every century prior to this, con Man

1467
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,840
does not have added versus predicting himself.

1468
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 2: Again, that's the thing, right, that's just like people saying.

1469
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 21: Look, you know all people don't get the dead.

1470
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 1: That is not the same thing as No, it's not

1471
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,920
It's not the same thing as the atheist objection. It

1472
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,319
is absolutely not the same as the atheist subjection.

1473
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:11,199
Speaker 2: Finished, and.

1474
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:15,319
Speaker 1: Where I'm going because you're just gonna yap, You're not

1475
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:17,720
going to give an answer. How is appealing to You're

1476
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:21,680
appealing to the other fake thing. You're appealing to the

1477
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:27,359
other fake thing to prove this. It is not the

1478
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:30,399
same as the No, it's this total false analogy. No,

1479
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,760
it is not the same. It is not the same

1480
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:36,119
the same. So that's a fallacy to say that if

1481
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:39,640
an atheist makes an argument about textual corruption. That that's

1482
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,520
the same as the argument that I'm making. I am

1483
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,920
not that, I'm not making that argument.

1484
01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:49,159
Speaker 21: Made my claim you're assumed a claim I'm making apartment right, So.

1485
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:55,119
Speaker 8: Okay, so people dead therefore, well, look.

1486
01:27:56,199 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 1: That is not the argument being made here. That is

1487
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:05,520
a totally dombinalogy every text that is all right, we're done,

1488
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:09,000
you're done. This is so stupid. I don't understand how

1489
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:13,279
anybody can believe. This is completely stupid nonsense. This is

1490
01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:16,720
not the same as when an atheist says that texts

1491
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:21,840
are corrupted or people. The New Testament writers wrote themselves,

1492
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,760
wrote Jesus into the New Testament, and they wrote and

1493
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,319
created a prop that is not the same thing. The

1494
01:28:27,399 --> 01:28:32,359
difference is the New Testament cites countless times in the

1495
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:37,319
Old Testament where Jesus fulfills those prophecies. This is totally

1496
01:28:37,359 --> 01:28:42,119
different where you have absolutely no textual evidence at all

1497
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:47,840
for additional verses to the last chapter of Genesis that

1498
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:52,319
predict Joseph Smith. So it is totally different, no similarity

1499
01:28:52,359 --> 01:28:55,359
at all to what the New Testament writers do. Remember

1500
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,560
when we had another Mormon that debated the same thing

1501
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,680
and needed the exact same move. He said, Oh, well,

1502
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:05,520
the New Testament, the Apostles, they just craft these verses

1503
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,920
to make Jesus be the fulfillment. No, they don't, total nonsense.

1504
01:29:10,199 --> 01:29:13,039
Jesus isn't just the fulfillment. He's the one that gave

1505
01:29:13,039 --> 01:29:16,800
the Old Testament prophecies. This is totally different where you

1506
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,560
have absolutely no textual proof or evidence prior to Joseph

1507
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:25,279
Smith of any of these extra verses in Genesis predicting him.

1508
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:29,159
It's an obvious defeater for the entire religion improves hes

1509
01:29:29,159 --> 01:29:32,520
a con man. So their only answer is to say, well,

1510
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,800
it's kind of like what the Apostles did, where they

1511
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,119
crafted Old Testament verses to make it about Jesus. No,

1512
01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:41,840
they're not con men like Joseph Smith. They're actually proving

1513
01:29:42,079 --> 01:29:46,000
that Jesus fulfills the prophecies. This is so obviously a

1514
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:51,159
fraudulent addition to Genesis to predict Joseph Smith. Why at

1515
01:29:51,159 --> 01:29:53,520
the end of the Book of Genesis about the death

1516
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:59,159
of Joseph would there be suddenly a prediction of Joseph

1517
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:02,079
Smith thousands of years in the future. I mean, it's

1518
01:30:02,119 --> 01:30:04,239
just so absurd on the face of it. It's so dumb,

1519
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,159
and it's obvious that he stuck it in here because

1520
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:10,159
it was talking about Joseph, and he's duping all of

1521
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:13,760
these low iq ignorant prairie muffins into thinking that it's

1522
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,720
Joseph Smith when it's talking about Joseph the patriarch. It's

1523
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:23,119
so obvious. I mean, it's like comedy level stuff. And

1524
01:30:23,119 --> 01:30:27,319
this is what we're dealing with. Liam five bucks. Did

1525
01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:29,319
you say that the IMF got El Salvador to back

1526
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:32,479
off of bitcoin? Back off? I don't know. I have

1527
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:37,279
not seen that. What does that mean? Back off of it?

1528
01:30:37,279 --> 01:30:39,800
Its success will be down to what the international money

1529
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:44,279
power wants. How the international money power cannot stop what

1530
01:30:44,359 --> 01:30:48,439
is already out there. Bearish looks like they're pushing to

1531
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:52,119
get liquidity. Who who is I don't know what you're

1532
01:30:52,119 --> 01:30:56,760
talking about. The government is pushing bitcoin to get liquidity

1533
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:59,960
to do what again, Everybody that argues this kind of

1534
01:31:00,039 --> 01:31:03,279
stuff is missing the whole point in idea behind bick one.

1535
01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:11,760
I don't see anybody else. Looks like we've had we

1536
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:16,760
had a nice little yappy Mormon talking about how oh well,

1537
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,760
he's like, you're not using the real definition of polytheism.

1538
01:31:20,079 --> 01:31:25,680
Two eternal uncreative principles literally Aristotle's definition of a diad.

1539
01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:32,479
That's two. That's polytheism. Well, but the other thing's not God.

1540
01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:38,399
It's an uncreated eternal us next to God. That's called dualism.

1541
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:42,239
And if there's two eternal principles, that's polytheism. Oh well

1542
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:44,119
it's not though, because I don't call the other thing God.

1543
01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:46,399
That's just changing words, dummy.

1544
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:55,399
Speaker 3: Ash, Hello, can you read yep?

1545
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:58,319
Speaker 2: All right.

1546
01:31:59,119 --> 01:32:01,279
Speaker 22: I was talking with a friend that I went with,

1547
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:07,720
went to college with, about my conversion to go into

1548
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:13,359
Eastern Orthodoxy, and I basically got to admit that the

1549
01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:17,359
canon that he has was given to him by fallible means.

1550
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:21,239
Speaker 2: Like he would say the church was fallible, but that's where.

1551
01:32:21,039 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 22: He would he would go to them and go, yeah,

1552
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,600
the church is the one that gave him a cannon.

1553
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,359
Speaker 2: The church is the one who would tests Christ to

1554
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:29,239
me even though it is fallible.

1555
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,319
Speaker 22: And then he said, but God's providence is infallible and

1556
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:36,880
doing that thing, and so the providence part is the

1557
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,880
infallible part. And so that's kind of I guess this

1558
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:43,520
weird way of getting to an infallible message through I

1559
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:48,359
guess fallible means I mean, he he did say that.

1560
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,079
Speaker 1: That's just that's just a bunch of talking around the

1561
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:57,640
very thing. That's sure. I mean, he's admitting that the

1562
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,680
it's the men that made the decision. Yeah, so you

1563
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,039
can say, well, bet it was providence and God did it. Okay,

1564
01:33:05,119 --> 01:33:07,880
but God providentially directed the men to make the decision.

1565
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,479
So was the decision fallible and infallible? He's just he's

1566
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,760
just deflecting and saying, well, the providence was infallible. Well,

1567
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,359
Providence is infallible and everything. That's what stupid objective. Everything

1568
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:21,920
happens infallibly according to what divine Providence sees and forenos.

1569
01:33:22,399 --> 01:33:26,039
So that's begging because that means everything that is infallibly happening.

1570
01:33:26,039 --> 01:33:26,520
That's stupid.

1571
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1572
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,840
Speaker 22: I thought a good critique to that was that, like,

1573
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,720
oh well then that's kind of like a subjective amost

1574
01:33:33,319 --> 01:33:36,800
subjective argument because he but even him as a Protestant,

1575
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:38,840
he would say, oh, well, my sixty six books are

1576
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,520
providentially infallibly given to me.

1577
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, how like the Orthodox can claim that stuff.

1578
01:33:43,319 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 1: Well, so let's see if he admits that the decision

1579
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,119
back then was quote infallible, it's not his Protestant kenon.

1580
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 2: Well that's why. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

1581
01:33:51,039 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 22: Yeah, and so I thought that a good The best

1582
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,479
critique was like, well, you realize that that's what the

1583
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,479
East claims and their canon is different than yours, So

1584
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:00,920
what what do you have to stand on?

1585
01:34:01,079 --> 01:34:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1586
01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: The Church universally accepts the Diuderro canon for the first

1587
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:09,359
several centuries and universally proclaims it at Trello and the

1588
01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:14,079
Seventh Ecumenical Council. So he's just being a judized Protestant

1589
01:34:14,119 --> 01:34:15,840
like they all are and saying that now I'm gonna

1590
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:17,000
follow what the Jews said.

1591
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 2: Sure, and do you have a ton for one more question?

1592
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,439
Uhuh so uh he uh.

1593
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,880
Speaker 22: Another critique that he gave was that he does not

1594
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:30,680
see the system of like what the Orthodox believed when

1595
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:35,039
it comes to the uh collecting of the canonical text.

1596
01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 2: He does not see that in the New Testament.

1597
01:34:38,039 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 22: He he he was saying that Jesus when he refers

1598
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:45,760
to the Old Testament books that they were that Jesus

1599
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,399
assumes that they're infallible and that they are.

1600
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:52,199
Speaker 2: And they are without error.

1601
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,199
Speaker 22: And he said that's not a showing of the system

1602
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:57,079
of Eastern Orthodoxy.

1603
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, the ecumenical councils are patterned

1604
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,520
on what happens in Acts fifteen, the Jerusalem Council. So

1605
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,279
if he wants to have Bible examples of how the

1606
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:10,279
church should function, Acts fifteen is sonodal church government. And

1607
01:35:10,319 --> 01:35:13,039
when they talk about the presence of the Holy Spirit there,

1608
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:19,000
that's the spirit amongst the synod or collegiality. So I

1609
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,680
don't understand what. So, Jesus cites the scriptures. Every ecumenical

1610
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:26,680
council cites the scriptures, So how does that prove that

1611
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,399
there's no oral tradition or that the church doesn't have

1612
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,000
normative authority. So I don't understand what that argument is

1613
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,960
supposed to prove. That Jesus cites the scriptures, every church father,

1614
01:35:35,079 --> 01:35:37,800
every council cites the scriptures. They're missing the point that

1615
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,560
it's not a question of citing the scriptures or whether

1616
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,119
the scriptures have authority. The Protestants are not understanding that

1617
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,960
you can't get in a time machine and go back

1618
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,680
to getting Poll's AUTOGRAPHA the books that you have in

1619
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:58,920
your hand, this collection here, you're assuming that the church preserved, maintained, copied,

1620
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,760
and transmitted over centuries. And then it really is the

1621
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:04,800
things that Paul wrote, and it really is the things

1622
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,760
that Matthew the Disciple wrote. You're trusting. It's not just

1623
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:12,199
a matter of oh, orthodox think that you got to

1624
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:15,039
have an authority say that this is the infallible collection

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of the Bible, and if you don't have an authority,

1626
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then it's up to everybody's opinion. No, No, it's more

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than that. It's also the very texts themselves were preserved

1628
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,640
by a community of people. That tells you who the

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authors were. You see, it's much stronger than just some

1630
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:36,000
authority claim. Yeah, I agreed, agreed, And the people that

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preserved it are not Protestants, they're not Baptist, they're not Calvinists,

1632
01:36:39,399 --> 01:36:41,680
they're not Episcopalians, they're Orthodox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreeance with all that. And like I said, yeah, thought,

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I just thought.

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Speaker 22: The biggest critiques of that is that he still has

1636
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to answer. And I got him to admit that all

1637
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of the stuff that he believes in affirms first of all,

1638
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come from to the Church, so he affirms at least

1639
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some type of authority, but he won't make the jump

1640
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to call it an infallible or normative authority, and.

1641
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Speaker 2: I basically just said, that's basically just picking and choosing.

1642
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I mean that that that's just picking and choosing.

1643
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, a lot of times it sounds like

1644
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,760
he's also confusing you know, normati authority, meaning that there's

1645
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,640
people who have the ability to bind people's consciences. That's

1646
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,760
different than existential certitude.

1647
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 22: Yeah, And I think he kind of missed that part too,

1648
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because he said he told me that I, as an

1649
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Orthodox believer, wouldn't have uh, I wouldn't have a greater

1650
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amount of a certainty.

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Speaker 2: That he would. And I said, no, that's that's the

1652
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:42,520
whole point, man.

1653
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,399
Speaker 22: I was like, the certainty that I have as an

1654
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individual going through all these church documents, going through all

1655
01:37:48,199 --> 01:37:51,920
these councils and these cannons, Like we're on the same

1656
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,880
plane field. It's not like I can claim something that

1657
01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:58,600
I have and you don't. But it's just the recognizing

1658
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,520
of philosophical justice vacation. And I said, I don't think

1659
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you have that. You've already admitted like Ortland and all

1660
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:08,880
these other Protestants will admit that the canon that they

1661
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,000
received is fallible, that the message the Gospel they received

1662
01:38:12,119 --> 01:38:14,600
is fallible. And I said, you don't see that as

1663
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:18,920
like being any troublesome to you, right he and he

1664
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:22,079
just said, well no, He's like, I can have justifiable

1665
01:38:22,079 --> 01:38:23,720
belief and it don't have to have certainty in it.

1666
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And I was like, I think you're still confusing the categories,

1667
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,439
Like I don't care what you have certainty of it?

1668
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: Now, how is it gonna tell me? If I I mean,

1669
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,720
I've studied, I prayed a lot, and I've come up

1670
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:36,880
with my own canon, because I mean, you can't bind

1671
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:41,920
me by your Protestant canon. You admitted it, you have

1672
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,439
admitted as fallible. So on what basis of am I wrong?

1673
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,159
If I've come up with my own canon. This is

1674
01:38:46,199 --> 01:38:49,079
how stupid Protestantism is. It has to admit that literally

1675
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:53,399
every church can come up with denomination or individual gathering

1676
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,279
of strip mall people can come up with their own canon,

1677
01:38:56,319 --> 01:38:58,159
and you can't. You literally can't tell them that they're

1678
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:00,239
wrong with any authority. You can say, well, I don't

1679
01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:02,479
think it's a rat canon, but hey, I mean it's

1680
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,760
it's a free for all because it's fallible. There's nothing

1681
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:06,840
that's binding within church history.

1682
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:11,079
Speaker 2: Correct? Correct? All right? Sweet man? I just he's a

1683
01:39:11,079 --> 01:39:11,800
dear friend of mine.

1684
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Speaker 22: You know, I just wanted to make sure that my

1685
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:18,479
critiques were were I guess good critiques, you know.

1686
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: I think so much. I think they're good points Genus

1687
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,840
one dollar. Your recommendation is that good resources or Orthodox

1688
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:39,079
doctrine or recapitulation Cosmic Mystery of Christ by Saint Maximus MKG.

1689
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:45,359
Do you think that the Theophany of Joshua five? Would

1690
01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:49,000
you debate it? What's to debate? It's clearly like he

1691
01:39:49,079 --> 01:39:52,159
falls in his face to quote worship, and it says,

1692
01:39:52,279 --> 01:39:54,359
take off your sandals for the place where you stand

1693
01:39:54,399 --> 01:39:57,239
as holy. So that's telling us it's just like an

1694
01:39:57,279 --> 01:40:00,239
Exodus when Moses falls down in his face and and

1695
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:03,760
God says, take off your shoes for the place where

1696
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,560
you're standing as holy. So it's the same Angel of

1697
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:10,439
the Lord Theophany as what Moses saw. So yes, I

1698
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,600
think that is Christ. And I don't know what is

1699
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:19,000
there to debate about that passage, jimkg. Angel just means

1700
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,840
a messenger, So I'm not sure why what there is

1701
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:27,199
to debate. I mean, the only thing I could see

1702
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:30,640
somebody saying is that maybe it's Michael, because it's the

1703
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,359
commander of the army of the Lord. But I mean

1704
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:37,680
Jesus outranks Michael. So yes, Michael is the commander of

1705
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:40,039
the host of the Lord. But Jesus is above the

1706
01:40:40,039 --> 01:40:41,680
commander of the host the Lord, so he's also the

1707
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,600
commander of the hostly Lord. So I don't understand what

1708
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,319
the argument would be on this passage. I'm trying to

1709
01:40:49,359 --> 01:40:51,800
think of any other way to say that this is

1710
01:40:52,960 --> 01:41:07,000
not a Theophany coal. This is another point I want

1711
01:41:07,039 --> 01:41:10,000
to say too, and this bears on the previous question

1712
01:41:10,079 --> 01:41:15,479
about Theophanes. Theophanes are in Orthodox theology and mystery, and

1713
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:19,239
I don't have an answer exactly to tell you the

1714
01:41:19,399 --> 01:41:26,600
logarithmic technological silicon valley account of how they happen. We

1715
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,000
are told, and it is revealed that Theophanes are energetic

1716
01:41:30,039 --> 01:41:34,000
manifestations in time and space. They are called divine, they

1717
01:41:34,039 --> 01:41:36,399
are worshiped, they are called Yahweh. They're called the face

1718
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:40,479
of Yahweh. I don't know how Christ does that, and

1719
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,359
I do not believe that divinity changes, or that it

1720
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:50,000
undergoes change or whatever. I don't know how, but somehow

1721
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:56,279
it happens. Because all the Israelites see a fire. Theophony

1722
01:41:56,319 --> 01:41:59,920
in Leviticus nine. It's not a physical body of crime

1723
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:05,319
that's manifesting the burning bush is a theophany. I don't

1724
01:42:05,319 --> 01:42:07,560
know how. We don't know how. So at a certain

1725
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:12,319
point there is mystery. There's no rational, academic explanation of

1726
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:16,680
every single element of Orthodox theology and Trinitarian theology. This

1727
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,239
is why it's called communicatio idiomatum. This is why Saint

1728
01:42:20,279 --> 01:42:25,279
Cyril says God died for us, God became a baby. Okay,

1729
01:42:25,319 --> 01:42:29,560
they're not contradictions, but they are mysteries, and so to

1730
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:33,479
I have this attitude of like, oh, you're in Athori

1731
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:36,520
because you said that there's a face of the Lord.

1732
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:39,319
The scriptures say that the Son is the face of

1733
01:42:39,359 --> 01:42:42,319
the Lord and that his glory appears in time and space.

1734
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,520
I don't know how that is. But I'm not a Muslim,

1735
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,079
I'm not an Athari. I'm not an anthromomorphic heretic. Because

1736
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:51,119
I say, what is in the scriptures and what is

1737
01:42:51,159 --> 01:42:53,439
in divine revelation. It's what Saint Maximus and it's what

1738
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:57,640
Saint Gregor Palma say. Palma says that the physical eye

1739
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:02,119
can see the theophanes how. I don't know how, But

1740
01:43:02,199 --> 01:43:05,439
this is precisely why they saw Isaiah in two because

1741
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,520
Isaiah said he saw the logos on the throne. How

1742
01:43:09,039 --> 01:43:13,600
he wasn't incarnate yet. I don't know how. God doesn't

1743
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:16,239
tell us all the hows. It's the same as creation.

1744
01:43:16,399 --> 01:43:18,760
How did God create xnay low. Give me the formula?

1745
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:19,239
Speaker 2: How?

1746
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:23,640
Speaker 1: How I'm a sperg. Tell me how, or you're a heretic.

1747
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:25,880
I don't know. I don't know the how. Nobody knows

1748
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:29,079
the hows. We're told that it happened. Tell me how.

1749
01:43:29,079 --> 01:43:32,560
There's a difference between procession and generation. Tell me how.

1750
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:33,399
Speaker 3: Tell me how.

1751
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 1: I'm a sperg. I need everything it's filled out like

1752
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:37,560
a giant algorithm or else. I don't believe it, and

1753
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,239
you're misleading me. I need the algorithm. But he met

1754
01:43:40,319 --> 01:43:45,199
chicken ten needs and he met chucky milk, misperg. I

1755
01:43:45,239 --> 01:43:49,880
don't know. There's not an answer to everything. Grow up, Cole,

1756
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:50,359
what's up?

1757
01:43:52,319 --> 01:43:56,119
Speaker 2: Hey? Jay? Former Mormon?

1758
01:43:56,159 --> 01:44:01,399
Speaker 16: Here it was a few times Mormons get on and

1759
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,079
just just try to be nuts hearing about it, just

1760
01:44:04,119 --> 01:44:06,680
knowing I was in it for way too long, but.

1761
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 2: Grew up in it and didn't realize it was what

1762
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:09,960
it was.

1763
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:14,119
Speaker 16: And I liked your arguments with about justice Smith puttnay

1764
01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:18,960
in his own spirit sures and Genesis and all that craziness.

1765
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 2: But some of the things.

1766
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 16: That I found the most intriguing about Mormonism itself is

1767
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,720
more of the argument of.

1768
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 2: The evidences that we have. Like right now, I'm actually

1769
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:34,920
in the increase stage.

1770
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,520
Speaker 3: I've been going to a worthadoxy for.

1771
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 16: A few months now, but I'm working on katechisis.

1772
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:46,680
Speaker 2: But it's been fascinating just to see, like the I

1773
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:48,960
guess the scholarly side. I know what doos doesn't like.

1774
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:51,920
They don't like hanging their hats scholarly stuff.

1775
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 3: But just the fact that we.

1776
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 16: Actually have physical evidences of the translations to the Bibles

1777
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:01,000
and all that stuff, and then most stuff within Mormon

1778
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:04,800
as it is. Trust me, bro, just.

1779
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:06,239
Speaker 1: You got to have faith, you got to have a

1780
01:45:06,279 --> 01:45:09,000
warm feeling, you have a question or anything.

1781
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 2: Just I didn't know if you knew.

1782
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 12: Of like some of the physical deals that came with

1783
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:22,000
the only time that there has been any physical evidence

1784
01:45:22,079 --> 01:45:26,840
of Joseph Smith's translations have been like clearly been frauds

1785
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:27,840
in regards.

1786
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 2: To like the Book of Abraham, mainly like the pull

1787
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:30,479
up Great.

1788
01:45:30,319 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 1: Price I don't know. I don't have any physical evidences

1789
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:38,920
about the history of the fraudulent translations, but I know,

1790
01:45:39,399 --> 01:45:43,680
I know they're frauds. But I can tell you that

1791
01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:47,800
there are absolutely no texts of Genesis prior to Joseph

1792
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:52,840
Smith that have anything close to twelve eleven verses added

1793
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:56,800
to Genesis that predict Joseph Smith. And nobody in the

1794
01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:00,159
history of the world has ever believed or thought of

1795
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:03,119
anything so stupid. And if you can't recognize that, if

1796
01:46:03,159 --> 01:46:06,520
no text had Joseph Smith in thirteen verses to Genesis

1797
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:10,239
fifty and Joseph Smith adds himself, if you think that's

1798
01:46:10,279 --> 01:46:13,680
a real prophecy, I don't know what I can There's

1799
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:17,079
nothing I can tell you. I can't help you. Sorry,

1800
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,399
Silas five Bucks. I'd love to see you debate rabbis

1801
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:24,800
like miss Rock or Singer. They're crazy and brag about

1802
01:46:25,279 --> 01:46:32,960
debating goofy evangelical professors. I don't know. I mean, we've

1803
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:36,199
had maybe five Jews come in debate in open forms.

1804
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,279
Gooner squad. Five Bucks is nationalism at odds with Chris

1805
01:46:39,319 --> 01:46:41,399
in theology. No, I never said that, so I don't

1806
01:46:41,399 --> 01:46:42,760
know where you would get that. I would say that

1807
01:46:45,359 --> 01:46:49,640
many Christians quote unquote believe in liberal views of open borders.

1808
01:46:50,199 --> 01:47:00,840
I've never argued that. All of the same autome pastors,

1809
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:06,279
by the way, everybody sent them the links as usual,

1810
01:47:06,359 --> 01:47:10,560
and of course none of them have come. Jay Chase Davis,

1811
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:14,479
that guy. We've asked him multiple times, I've DMed him

1812
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,239
multiple times, and every time I DM me say I

1813
01:47:17,279 --> 01:47:18,960
can't do it, can't do it. So it was like

1814
01:47:19,039 --> 01:47:22,479
weeks of not being able to do it. So none

1815
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,840
of these Protestant people are going to I'm gonna come

1816
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:26,560
do this. Do you have any thoughts about the book

1817
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:29,960
thinking Orthodox two dollars? I've not read that, sorry, so

1818
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,319
I don't. I can't speak to that. I feel like

1819
01:47:33,359 --> 01:47:41,319
I'm missing some super jets anyway, I don't know. Thank

1820
01:47:41,359 --> 01:47:44,800
you guys, a lot of fun tonight. Thank you father

1821
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,119
Deacon for joining me. If you would hit like and share,

1822
01:47:48,319 --> 01:47:51,800
And I think I'm on a podcaster in a little

1823
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,880
bit in an hour, so maybe two hours. I don't

1824
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:56,239
know if that'll go. I don't know if that's live

1825
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:58,680
or what, but if it is, I'll share it on

1826
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:03,239
the community tab and uh you can join by the

1827
01:48:03,359 --> 01:48:04,800
penned link