Speaker 1: It's nice eyes. I'm telling you Ezy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Yes indeed, yes, indeed, we are talking about the tariffs.
Speaker 2: And we just had a really good hour. I thought
Speaker 2: a great hour of Professor Greg Styler. Uh. He teaches
Speaker 2: at the Questions the Questrom School of Business at Boston University,
Speaker 2: and he explained things, and he went to the two
Speaker 2: car the healers today to basically do his homework. I
Speaker 2: just sent him a text and said he he deserved
Speaker 2: an A plus tonight. He was a great guest. We
Speaker 2: will have him back sooner rather than later. And I
Speaker 2: just thought that the call that the Questions were good.
Speaker 2: Let me just say, folks, when I know many of
Speaker 2: you wait for quite a time, and you know some
Speaker 2: of you want to you know you're a little nervous,
Speaker 2: just get right to the point, particularly if you have
Speaker 2: a question for a guest, because I bring the guest
Speaker 2: on so that we can talk to people at that
Speaker 2: level again, business school professors, editorial writers at the Globe,
Speaker 2: United States attorney lawyers, and they and the ones I
Speaker 2: pick are people who I know want to talk with you.
Speaker 2: We don't have Elizabeth Warren on the shows. He turned
Speaker 2: down many invitations. She wouldn't want to take phone calls,
Speaker 2: she wouldn't want to talk to you. But I think
Speaker 2: it's great when we can have people on, whatever their background,
Speaker 2: but particularly people who have extraordinary jobs. You know. And
Speaker 2: again we used to have Marty Walsh and Tom Anino on.
Speaker 2: Mayor who doesn't seem to have that desire, which is fine,
Speaker 2: she doesn't have to come on the show. We know
Speaker 2: that Senator Warren very rarely well has never been on
Speaker 2: the show, never been on the show. Senator Markey will
Speaker 2: come on occasionally. We can have some fun with him.
Speaker 2: Steve Lynch comes on a lot, Seth Molten will come on,
Speaker 2: Laurie Trehan will come on. I hope to get Jake
Speaker 2: Auchincloss on again and get him to take some phone calls,
Speaker 2: because that's the service that we can provide. You don't
Speaker 2: abuse it. You know. Josh Kraft was on tonight. You
Speaker 2: got a question, ask a question, if you want to
Speaker 2: make a kind comment, make a kind comment. He's not
Speaker 2: coming on to be abused or be asked trek questions
Speaker 2: and everybody feels that they got to somehow. You know. Again,
Speaker 2: I just employ you to understand that it's not easy,
Speaker 2: particularly in the eight to midnight hour, to get people
Speaker 2: of that stature to come on to show. Many of
Speaker 2: them work their entire day. I mean Jim Roosevelt from
Speaker 2: on Social Security the other night, extraordinary guests. Please value
Speaker 2: those guests because and I'm gone, whatever that is, Whoever
Speaker 2: succeeds me won't be won't be providing you with guests
Speaker 2: like that. Trust me on that. And if you if
Speaker 2: you don't understand what I'm saying, then you're not as
Speaker 2: as perceptive as I think most of you are. So
Speaker 2: now it is open lines on the Trump tariffs, your thought,
Speaker 2: your perspective. I'll try to have a conversation with you.
Speaker 2: Let's go to David in Dorchester. David, you have held
Speaker 2: on through the news. Appreciate your patience. You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 3: I just want to know will that effect travel, what
Speaker 3: theffect you know right uh self come from? Like electricity
Speaker 3: coming from Canada?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I could will Yes, we get we
Speaker 2: get some hydro electric power, uh that that comes to
Speaker 2: us from Quebec. I don't know that that we get
Speaker 2: it throughout the entire year, but I think it's one
Speaker 2: of the sources. Yeah, anything that comes in from any
Speaker 2: foreign country will have the potential of having a tariff
Speaker 2: impost on it, and that cost is going to be
Speaker 2: passed on to you and me, whether it's a car
Speaker 2: that's made overseas. What the Trump administration is hoping that
Speaker 2: some of these countries that have been making money off
Speaker 2: of us, as it were, by overcharging us on tariffs,
Speaker 2: that that they may turn around and say, no, mass
Speaker 2: let's let's go to five percent tariffs, reciprocal five percent
Speaker 2: for you, five percent of US and in best case scenario, no,
Speaker 2: no tariffs. I mean, everybody would love to see free trade,
Speaker 2: but that's not been what we've been dealing with. Now.
Speaker 2: I think President Trump has taken a huge gamble, David,
Speaker 2: and this could this could cost him, you know, his
Speaker 2: the success of his presidency. It might work, work, it
Speaker 2: might not work. We'll have to see how it goes.
Speaker 2: What do you what's your thoughts? Last point?
Speaker 3: My thought is right the way Trump is thinking, because
Speaker 3: other countries will turn around and charging us over charge
Speaker 3: of us. Yeah, I think Trump, you know, I think
Speaker 3: Trump is probably on the right track on doing say
Speaker 3: anything to him.
Speaker 2: Well, he certainly has has put a stake in the
Speaker 2: ground and we'll see how it how it works out.
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch when I go to the grocery store,
Speaker 2: and I I'm gonna I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: companies who produce products in this country, who therefore are
Speaker 2: not paying tariffs, don't try to take advantage of this situation,
Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 2: we will out companies on this program. If all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I see that there's some company that has
Speaker 2: raised their prices because they think they can just raise
Speaker 2: their prices, we'll talk about it on Night Side, I
Speaker 2: promise you.
Speaker 4: Sure, right, my friend, I appreciate you call, David.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for calling. You took the time
Speaker 2: to call. Thank you much. We'll talk again. Call anytime.
Speaker 5: All right, good night, great night, Okay, good night.
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep going here. Let's get everybody, and
Speaker 2: John is in handover. John, You're next on nightside. Welcome. Well,
Speaker 2: if John isn't there, we'll put him on hold. Rob
Speaker 2: please put him on hold and we'll take a break.
Speaker 2: We'll take a break and we'll try him on the
Speaker 2: other side of this break. Here on Nightside. My name's
Speaker 2: Dan Ray. This is Nightside. The only line open is
Speaker 2: six one seven.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZ,
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Folks, for those of you who are new to Nightside,
Speaker 2: we have what's called a ten second delay. What that
Speaker 2: means is that callers who try to say some bad
Speaker 2: words and the radio, uh, we have ten seconds in
Speaker 2: which Rob can kill those words. So if Rob puts
Speaker 2: you on the line and says to you, okay, we're
Speaker 2: gonna put you on hold, you'll be ready, and he
Speaker 2: tells you to turn the radio down, turn the radio down.
Speaker 2: We've had a couple of callers who you can tell
Speaker 2: I say hello, Hello, welcome to Nightside, and they're listening
Speaker 2: to the radio, and they don't hear me. They're not
Speaker 2: listening on the phone. They think that they're going to
Speaker 2: talk to me through the radio. So let's try with John,
Speaker 2: who I believe might have been listening to the radio.
Speaker 2: But we'll try him again. John, Welcome, you're next on Nightside.
Speaker 4: I'm here. I had you on mute.
Speaker 5: Sorry about that, Dan, Yeah, that can happen too.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's another thing people shouldn't do. Listen on the radio. Uh, listen,
Speaker 2: listen on the phone. It's as simple as that go ahead.
Speaker 5: John, Hey, so I think then he's a master deal
Speaker 5: maker and we kind of voted for this, you know,
Speaker 5: and it's an investment in the future of the country.
Speaker 4: He said.
Speaker 5: You know, he's gonna do this on April third. So
Speaker 5: any intelligent moneyman move their positions last week so they
Speaker 5: could rebuy this week at the new low.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I wish I had done that. I
Speaker 2: wish I wish I was an intelligent money man. Did
Speaker 2: you do that?
Speaker 5: If I had money, I would have done it.
Speaker 2: Okay, But I.
Speaker 5: Think the forty seven in his circle is smarter and
Speaker 5: more successful than most of the politicians they're going to
Speaker 5: deal with. And then you know, there's going to be
Speaker 5: pain after you put tariffs on. It's temporary, but it's
Speaker 5: an investment. And what's the goal. It's the better the country.
Speaker 5: And if we don't feel it right away, you know,
Speaker 5: people who have kids the next generation, if this is
Speaker 5: a more independent country, things are going to be cheaper
Speaker 5: and you're going to get back to that quality of
Speaker 5: life that this country is known for. We don't have
Speaker 5: it anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you. I just think it's I'm not
Speaker 2: taking a position here. I'm just telling you I think
Speaker 2: it's a tremendous gamble. And either this will solidify Donald
Speaker 2: Trump as a transformational president, he would he would be
Speaker 2: in the category of a Roosevelt or a Reagan in
Speaker 2: the sense that Reagan came to office and said, the
Speaker 2: Soviet Empire, the Soviet Union is an evil empire. We
Speaker 2: got to take him out. He spent a lot of
Speaker 2: money building up our defense forces after the Vietnam uh
Speaker 2: and and the hostage that Jimmy hostage situation, Jimmy Carter
Speaker 2: Dell with and guess what, he broke the back of
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union and the wall came down. Franklin Roosevelt
Speaker 2: came in during the Great Depression and he put in
Speaker 2: place a number of government programs which have served people
Speaker 2: for almost one hundred years, including Social Security, amongst others.
Speaker 2: And so he was transformational. If this works for Trump,
Speaker 2: he's transfer transformational. If it doesn't work, he's in the
Speaker 2: in the Presidential Hall of Shame as a failed president.
Speaker 5: And he wants to be remembered as the transformational guy.
Speaker 5: And he's the one of the few people I have
Speaker 5: faith in. And like you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: valid reasons for people who are older than me to
Speaker 5: dislike him from like the whole draft dodging and then
Speaker 5: you know other things, but from you know, my point
Speaker 5: of view. I'm forty years old. I never really felt
Speaker 5: represented by either party. And when he stepped forward and
Speaker 5: Republicans and Democrats both hated him, I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: that's my guy.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, let me tell you, you represent a
Speaker 2: group of people in your age group. Look, traditionally people
Speaker 2: your age tend to vote a little more Democratic, and
Speaker 2: and older people voted Republican. That kind of got flipped
Speaker 2: on its head. Donald Trump has made tremendous intro inroads
Speaker 2: into folks who have been you know, when I say folks,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about people in the category. He had more
Speaker 2: Black support, he had more Hispanic support. The so called
Speaker 2: gender gap was less than what the posters realized. And
Speaker 2: he had a lot more people in their in their
Speaker 2: twenties and in their thirties and in their early forties
Speaker 2: like you who decided to give him a chance. Look,
Speaker 2: he we only have one president at a time. Anyone
Speaker 2: who was rooting against him is rooting against the United States.
Speaker 2: Anyone who was rooting against Joe Biden when he was
Speaker 2: in offices rooting against the United States, and I want
Speaker 2: every president to be successful. But maybe that's just me.
Speaker 5: I completely agree. Thanks a lot, Dan, You have a
Speaker 5: good night.
Speaker 2: You too, John. Is this your first time calling or no?
Speaker 5: No, we'll talk a few times. I'm the tower climber
Speaker 5: who worked on the Bezy Tower a few times.
Speaker 4: I have a daughter company.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I thought a bunch you the other
Speaker 2: day to see that guy. He was on a tower
Speaker 2: somewhere in the South Shore and I think a tree
Speaker 2: limb came down and broke his arm. No, they had
Speaker 2: they got him down safely, but he was in a
Speaker 2: position and no they You know, look, got to admire
Speaker 2: what with guys like you, do you have more more guts?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: And uh that's early I do. I wouldn't do it
Speaker 2: at my and I wouldn't do it when I was
Speaker 2: your aide. So thanks for what you do. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thanks, thank you, Lucky, Thanks good night.
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling here. We got we got Paul in Pennsylvania. Paul,
Speaker 2: welcome back. Next to night'st How are you right?
Speaker 6: Dan?
Speaker 4: Really really great last sable with the professor that was
Speaker 4: really good stuff.
Speaker 2: Well it was crazy because because he just told the
Speaker 2: truth and and there was there was no political veneer
Speaker 2: over it. So I thought it was an hour in
Speaker 2: which I got a better sense of tariffs, and I
Speaker 2: hope everyone else did.
Speaker 4: Well. I hope everything works out what the President Trump
Speaker 4: wants to do. I know, on the news it seems
Speaker 4: like a lot of newscasters are doing the chicken little
Speaker 4: you know, the sky is folly. Oh yeah, they're hyping,
Speaker 4: they're hyping things up. I hope it works out. You
Speaker 4: might always. I always a question about the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Is all people know in life is in terms of
Speaker 4: their own experience, And what I mean by that is
Speaker 4: he wants to bring manufacturing jobs back today States. They
Speaker 4: haven't been here in a long time. And I don't
Speaker 4: know how true this is, but back in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 4: I guess it was when the Jetmeese car companies started
Speaker 4: patting plants in the United States. They supposedly did a
Speaker 4: study of the American worker. I don't know if you
Speaker 4: ever heard about that study, Dad, but supposedly, like on Monday,
Speaker 4: the worker was work from the weekends. Tuesday they worked, Wednesday,
Speaker 4: they were sort of like was some day Thursday, they
Speaker 4: sort of slacked off, and then Friday they were all
Speaker 4: hyped up for the weekend and they didn't do much.
Speaker 4: And whether that's short, I don't know. But you know,
Speaker 4: you're sure they weren't talking.
Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you this. Were they talking
Speaker 2: about private sector workers or government workers?
Speaker 4: Oh, now you're comment of workers, and that's a whole different,
Speaker 4: that's the whole different, breedy cats.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing there, here's what I remember about
Speaker 2: that time. Okay. Uh, the auto industry was devastated because
Speaker 2: there was a trend in this country to buy foreign cars.
Speaker 2: I tended to buy Vovals because I felt Vovals was
Speaker 2: safer cars. I am now thinking, I have an eleven
Speaker 2: year old Voval. I got to buy a car at
Speaker 2: some point in the in the notistic future, I'm for
Speaker 2: the first time really going to look at American made
Speaker 2: cars and find that find the best American made car.
Speaker 2: And uh, and that's that's where I'm gonna go, because
Speaker 2: I'm I I think it's time to support the American
Speaker 2: worker who lives in Michigan and has a family and
Speaker 2: is is trying to educate their kids and and and
Speaker 2: get and get their life going.
Speaker 4: So well, I agree, Dan, and I like to see that,
Speaker 4: but I like to see all the President Trump's plans
Speaker 4: that turn out good for everybody and like that. Well
Speaker 4: woman then called it and said she wanted for President
Speaker 4: Biden was just supporting President Trump. I have one for
Speaker 4: President Trump and opened his plans to work out because
Speaker 4: U you know, we have to protect the especially people
Speaker 4: that work in like the vital and crucial sectors of
Speaker 4: our country that have to do a national defense and things.
Speaker 4: We can't be relighting in other countries all the time.
Speaker 4: We have to eveil the pharmaceutical industry. We have to
Speaker 4: start making these in the United States.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that Trump. I'm going to give
Speaker 2: Trump high grades on closing the border. That was a
Speaker 2: huge problem. He pledged to do that. I think it's
Speaker 2: been done, and I'm giving him grades on getting bad
Speaker 2: guys out of the country. Okay, MS thirteen members, Trent
Speaker 2: Augura people, get them out of the country. If a
Speaker 2: mistake is made, we should be able diplomatically to call
Speaker 2: the president of El Salvador and say, hey, we sent
Speaker 2: you two hundred and fifty guys, three of them are
Speaker 2: not members. Get him out of there. We'll fly him
Speaker 2: back Okay. At the same time, I've heard these stories
Speaker 2: and I'm sure others have that there was, you know,
Speaker 2: some guy who was a barber in California and some
Speaker 2: guy who was a Venezuelan soccer player. Well, if they
Speaker 2: were not members of that gang, I want them brought back.
Speaker 2: But you can. You can be a member of the
Speaker 2: gang and a barber, or a member of the gang
Speaker 2: and a soccer player. So you know, let's let's let's
Speaker 2: if someone is saying, hey, you took the wrong guy
Speaker 2: and they can prove it, bring him back. Bring him back.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know what their families to say, so your
Speaker 4: life for them. They have to people.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. I get that. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, I'm assuming that that for us to
Speaker 2: know where these gang members are and for us to
Speaker 2: we must have some inside. We must have infiltrated these gangs. Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the video the other day,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if they were gang members, but
Speaker 2: a lot of the pro athletes Joe Burrows from from
Speaker 2: the Bengals and Montana or not Montana. The whole homes
Speaker 2: uh And and Kelsey, their homes have been broken into
Speaker 2: while they were playing football games. You know those stories, right, uh?
Speaker 2: And the guy and the Burroughs from Cincinnati. These a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys from Chile. They were Chili gang members
Speaker 2: from Chili who would come here. Uh. And and they're
Speaker 2: breaking into their homes, I mean. And then there was
Speaker 2: one the other night. There was a camera at Richard
Speaker 2: Sherman's home. He was a former d back for the
Speaker 2: for the Seattle Seahawks. Really good player, by the way,
Speaker 2: and three guys come crashing through a screen with guns.
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if they were Americans. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they were gang members. But if they're gang members,
Speaker 2: I want them gone like yesterday. If they're Americans, I
Speaker 2: want to put in jail because if they could break
Speaker 2: into Richard Sherman's home with guns, they can break into
Speaker 2: your home too.
Speaker 4: And another thing that you know you said about you
Speaker 4: know after if you know, I hope it never happens.
Speaker 4: But when did they leave? You know that when I
Speaker 4: thought of that expresial, you know, step like on old toes.
Speaker 4: What I mean by that, and respectful to you is
Speaker 4: you know a lot of people, and you get a
Speaker 4: lot of good people on your show, and whoever replaces you,
Speaker 4: they're not actually have the dearth of the knowledge of
Speaker 4: the people that you know what.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well again, I just want people to be respectful.
Speaker 2: You know when I when I bring on elected officials,
Speaker 2: appointed officials, just realize that. Okay, look they're doing my
Speaker 2: show at nine o'clock at night or ten o'clock at night.
Speaker 2: They might have better things to do. Okay.
Speaker 4: And you always say you want a conversation. You don't
Speaker 4: want somebody to go in there and get and make
Speaker 4: a footbal statement. You want a conversation.
Speaker 2: You got it all. I appreciate you. Well. You keep
Speaker 2: listening and keep calling. Okay, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Hi, well Dad, thank you, talk.
Speaker 2: To you soon. Good night, six seven, two, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Those lines are full. I shouldn't have been given that number.
Speaker 2: I got Richard, John and Gary on those lines. The
Speaker 2: line that has opened six months sep and the only
Speaker 2: two lines that are open in six one seven, nine, three, one,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. We'll be back on nightside, join the conversation.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about tariffs. Are you optimistic? Are you pessimistic?
Speaker 2: Are you rooting for Trump to succeed or for Trump
Speaker 2: to fail? I'd like to take the politics out of it,
Speaker 2: at least for a little while. And let's talk about
Speaker 2: what are the implications for you, me, your family, and
Speaker 2: my family, because this is serious business. Back on Nightside,
Speaker 2: right after the news at the bottom of the.
Speaker 1: Hour, night Side with Dan Ray on' WBZ, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Barr in the home stretch, Let's take this baby home,
Speaker 2: let's put it to bed. Let's go next to Uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know why I thought about that. Let me
Speaker 2: go to John in Pennsylvania. Drawn your next on Nightside.
Speaker 7: Welcome, Hello, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, John, go right ahead.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 7: So there are numerous reasons why these will be detrimental
Speaker 7: to the economy. I'll list a few.
Speaker 6: The first is that.
Speaker 7: Many American businesses are actually nonetheless dependent upon certain foreign
Speaker 7: parts or foreign supplies. And along these businesses are small businesses. Example,
Speaker 7: given believe it or not, game publishers, tabletop game publishers,
Speaker 7: many of them are relatively small companies. They depend like
Speaker 7: board board games, the actual boards dependent largely upon materials
Speaker 7: produced in China and Vietnam. UH would take okay, So.
Speaker 2: When you say board games are you talking about, Well,
Speaker 2: let me finish it, man, ask a new question. Here
Speaker 2: are you talking about monopoly type games? Where game app
Speaker 2: So we're not Parker John. I'm trying to have a
Speaker 2: conversation with you. Man, I gave you a minute just
Speaker 2: to get us going here. I'm trying to have a conversation.
Speaker 2: So just work with me, okay. So like when you
Speaker 2: say board games, I think about I don't know, monopoly
Speaker 2: board or a checkerboard. We can't make monopoly boards or
Speaker 2: checkerboards in this country.
Speaker 7: For the most part.
Speaker 4: They're made overseas.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that. Yeah, but but okay, let me
Speaker 2: accept that they're made overseas. Now, I don't know what
Speaker 2: the tariff would be on a checker board or a
Speaker 2: monopoly board. I wasn't sure if you were talking when
Speaker 2: you said board games. If you were talking like I
Speaker 2: don't know a roulette wheel. You know that by some
Speaker 2: people buy like these these expensive things for their home.
Speaker 2: I've seen people who have five thousand dollars roulette wheels
Speaker 2: in their homes. Whatever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about, if we talk about board games,
Speaker 2: why could we not make a simple checkerboard or a
Speaker 2: monopoly board.
Speaker 7: I didn't say they couldn't be made here. I said
Speaker 7: that most most game companies are actually relatively small, and
Speaker 7: they mostly okay, if they were to well, first of all,
Speaker 7: most of them couldn't afford the capital investment. But if they,
Speaker 7: if they, if they simply pass along the costs, okay,
Speaker 7: few are people going to buy. If they absorb the cost,
Speaker 7: they'll likely go out of business. So that's that's one Okay,
Speaker 7: that's one example. Here's another example. Do you know what
Speaker 7: potash is?
Speaker 2: Potox potash?
Speaker 7: Potash a fertilizer that provides potassium to many crops in
Speaker 7: the US. Okay, manure isn't isn't sufficient to provide potassium
Speaker 7: to the crops. We're dependent upon Canada for potash. We
Speaker 7: can't produce enough. Our climate doesn't allow enough to be produced.
Speaker 2: So you need you need it. Let's let me understand this.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me that in order to produce potass,
Speaker 2: we need to have a cold.
Speaker 7: Climate, correct, among other things.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I don't know what the other things are.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me that in the states of the
Speaker 2: sparsely populated states of like North Dakota, Montana and South Dakota, Idaho,
Speaker 2: which have very frigid winters, very similar to Manitoba.
Speaker 7: That's that alone isn't enough. You have to have the
Speaker 7: right mix of mineral runoff as well as the cold
Speaker 7: weather as as well as the die off from certain
Speaker 7: from certain plans. So we're dependent on Canada.
Speaker 2: That okay. So I believe that we can still we
Speaker 2: can disagree on this. I believe that we can make
Speaker 2: board games. But whatever. So that that that's fine. So
Speaker 2: let me ask you this so well, if if your
Speaker 2: theory is in which it might be that these tariffs
Speaker 2: are not only going to be destructive, counterproductive and all
Speaker 2: of that, but it's then going to cause us either
Speaker 2: more problems down the line. And if I accept that theory,
Speaker 2: just for the purposes of conversation, how do we solve
Speaker 2: a thirty seven trillion dollar Because I think that's one
Speaker 2: of the things that he seems to be addressing, and
Speaker 2: it's one of the things that bothers me. I've never
Speaker 2: figured out how old you are, but I assume that
Speaker 2: we're kind of around the same age. I'm a baby boomer.
Speaker 2: I assume you might be as well.
Speaker 7: No, I'm the generation behind you.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, okay, So how are we going to
Speaker 2: solve the federal debt problem in this country. You're a
Speaker 2: smart guy.
Speaker 7: You know what the dead is, right, So let's let
Speaker 7: I'm glad you got to that. So let's look at this.
Speaker 7: So there's three main propositions with these tariffs, correct. The
Speaker 7: first is that, well, he said basically three things.
Speaker 4: One is that he.
Speaker 7: Expects either prices not to go up, at least not
Speaker 7: in the long term, because either the suppliers will absorb
Speaker 7: the cost or the importers will absorb the cost. In
Speaker 7: what he's also said that there's going to be a
Speaker 7: revival of people buying American goods. That's premise two. Premise
Speaker 7: three is that these tariffs are going to generate tremendous,
Speaker 7: tremendous wealth uh to the to the federal government to
Speaker 7: pay off the deficit. But let's let's so let's look
Speaker 7: and see if these work. So if prices are absorbed,
Speaker 7: I've already pointed out that many small manufacturers and retailers
Speaker 7: and so on won't be able to do that, but
Speaker 7: let's just let's take take it as a given. If they're absorbed,
Speaker 7: then there isn't any pressure to buy American right, There
Speaker 7: wouldn't be any pressure price wise to give American made
Speaker 7: product and service as a competitive advantage. So one contradicts two.
Speaker 7: So let's let's assume that the two is true. Okay,
Speaker 7: that there is a competitive advantage. Prices of foreign goods
Speaker 7: go up, so there's gonna be more purchasing of American
Speaker 7: goods and services. Now, of course those prices will go up. Two,
Speaker 7: because you'll have more people, the demand for those will
Speaker 7: go up. Okay, So in that case, the imports will fall,
Speaker 7: and then the tariff revenue will fall likewise, which contradicts three,
Speaker 7: that the terriff is the terrific.
Speaker 2: John, John, you're going through economic gymnastics with me, and
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna even attempt to argue every point.
Speaker 8: Clearly you think gymnastics one contra John.
Speaker 2: You have your point of you here. I'm just simply
Speaker 2: telling you. You've been with me now seven minutes. You
Speaker 2: have had more time than any other caller we'll have tonight.
Speaker 2: The point is, the bottom line is you think that
Speaker 2: this is a bad set of ideas. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to change your mind. I just want to ask you,
Speaker 2: excuse me, I just want to ask you one question.
Speaker 2: Do you hope he succeeds or fails?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 7: I hope I want the American economy to succeed.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's the president.
Speaker 7: Do I want do you want an initiative of this administration,
Speaker 7: which frankly I find to be anti constitutional and frankly
Speaker 7: mostly anti American product.
Speaker 2: I understand you really disliked this guy. I got it,
Speaker 2: no problem, and I'm sure that you could spend twenty
Speaker 2: minutes telling me all the reasons why you dislike him.
Speaker 2: So I'm just asking you real simple. You're kind of
Speaker 2: in a bad situation because you want to root for
Speaker 2: the economy, but you hope he fails.
Speaker 7: Well, I expect this to feel because.
Speaker 4: The way you're not.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let us see. Let us keep our conversation.
Speaker 2: We've done eight eight and a half minutes. My man, Okay,
Speaker 2: I got other people. I gotta get to it. I
Speaker 2: can't give everybody eight minutes, so I got to keep rolling.
Speaker 2: But keep me keep calling. I want to know how
Speaker 2: you feel next week, next month. You are always welcome
Speaker 2: to call this show. You know that, Okay, Thank you, John.
Speaker 7: I just wish sometimes if you haven't account of argument
Speaker 7: of logic, not are you running against the America?
Speaker 2: No? No, Well, see you're a much smarter guy that
Speaker 2: I am. John, I can't even I can't even deal
Speaker 2: with your logic. You're much smarter than I am. So
Speaker 2: I listened to you for a while and then I
Speaker 2: asked you a couple of questions. That's all.
Speaker 7: I just think you didn't want to deal with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no again, John, I'd love to have, like spend
Speaker 2: an hour with you. Okay. You know, you know maybe
Speaker 2: what I can do is I can come to Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: I can spend the weekend and we can just talk
Speaker 2: all weekend and and one of us will Neither one
Speaker 2: of us will convince each other, but I'm sure you'd
Speaker 2: be a great guy to have dinner or a beer with.
Speaker 2: So hit the nine minute mark. I gotta run.
Speaker 7: If you ever want to, I'll buy you.
Speaker 2: Right back at you, Thanks, John. Okay, let me go
Speaker 2: to Richard and Lowell. Richard, you're next on Nitside. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead, sir. Okay, Richard's listening to his radio. Put
Speaker 2: him down, put him on hold. We're going to go
Speaker 2: to Greg and Ontario. Greg and Ontario, you're next on
Speaker 2: night Side.
Speaker 6: Yeah right, Dan, good to talk to you again.
Speaker 2: Right back at you, Greg, Welcome, Thanks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was us in a conversation, Dan, and uh
Speaker 6: about the Podash. We have a lot of that in
Speaker 6: here in Canada and Saskatchewan. That's the main source, like
Speaker 6: your Lives caller said, Yeah, in terms of the terror, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, in terms of the tariffs and how it's
Speaker 6: affecting Canada and things like this, and and uh, you know,
Speaker 6: it's still our leaders here. They don't they don't understand
Speaker 6: that they don't have this leverage. They're kind of still
Speaker 6: shooting their mouth off on how they're going to retaliate
Speaker 6: a little bit. And I think that's probably really bad
Speaker 6: for this country. On the other hand, Dan, it's good,
Speaker 6: like I mentioned to you before, where it's going to
Speaker 6: finally get our politicians off their butts to do something
Speaker 6: for this country and get it off to stand on
Speaker 6: and rely on everybody all the time for everything, you know.
Speaker 6: And it's in terms of the auto sector and things
Speaker 6: like that. Well, I was I was brought up. I
Speaker 6: was born in Windsor, So that was right across from Detroit,
Speaker 6: as you know. Yeah, and so a lot of my
Speaker 6: family worked in that sector. I worked in it for
Speaker 6: Tool and Die. For a short period of time, I
Speaker 6: worked in some of the auto plants there. And I
Speaker 6: gotta tell you, I remember back in the seventies, about
Speaker 6: the mid seventies when all the automotives started moving out
Speaker 6: to Mexico. I had guys, yeah, you know. And and
Speaker 6: the thing is Canada here doesn't understand. They don't own
Speaker 6: any of this, and so they're going to be susceptible
Speaker 6: to things changing in the economies. And we're we're going
Speaker 6: to lose some of this work, but we could probably
Speaker 6: replace that with other things. And and then and then
Speaker 6: in Canada started making these threat against the US economy, saying, well,
Speaker 6: we're not going to supply with the aluminum. Well, I'm
Speaker 6: not sure if it's a good known fact. We have
Speaker 6: this in Quebec. Here we have a we're all the
Speaker 6: aluminum actually is refined, but we buy We don't have
Speaker 6: an aluminum mine here. We buy the aluminum from Brazil,
Speaker 6: which is one of the countries that has the utmost
Speaker 6: deposits of aluminum in the world, along with Guinea in Australia.
Speaker 6: So I try to talk to people here Dan and
Speaker 6: I say, like, if you really p o the United States,
Speaker 6: they can go to Brazil, get the aluminum and just
Speaker 6: refine it. In America and they can do that with
Speaker 6: a steel right, and I think I.
Speaker 2: Think Trump would do that in a New York. Second,
Speaker 2: let me ask you real quickly. I think that your politician,
Speaker 2: is it Doug.
Speaker 6: Ford, Yeah, the Premier of Ontario, Yes, Dan.
Speaker 2: Premier of Ontario. Okay, so he's your premier. He's not
Speaker 2: the prime minister. So he's in effect like the governor
Speaker 2: of the of what we would think of as a
Speaker 2: governor of the state of Massachusetts. In effect, the premier
Speaker 2: is like a governor. Am I correct on that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's correct man.
Speaker 2: Okay. So he apparently has been quoted in the last
Speaker 2: day or so saying that, look, he's willing to talk
Speaker 2: to Trump and he's willing to reduce as long as
Speaker 2: America will reduce the tariffs as well. Did that surprise you.
Speaker 7: Uh No, it didn't.
Speaker 6: He's met with Trump or not. Actually, some of the
Speaker 6: Trump's administration. I think a couple of times before these
Speaker 6: terrorists were put through and they were talking like they
Speaker 6: were shooting their mauls off, like our premier Doug Fort,
Speaker 6: he's talking this tough a game. You know. You heard
Speaker 6: him say, like we're going to cut the power off
Speaker 6: to the United States and all this time of stuff,
Speaker 6: and we're all sitting here, like a lot of Canadians
Speaker 6: are sitting there going like shut your mouth, like you
Speaker 6: don't understand that. You're like like they don't understand, Dan,
Speaker 6: they don't understand They're not the big dog in this
Speaker 6: fight and we're not going to win a tariff wark
Speaker 6: against the US. Now. We can still be partners in
Speaker 6: a lot of things. But like I keep saying, I
Speaker 6: really don't want Trump to take his foot off the gasser, Dan,
Speaker 6: because I'm watching the politicians in this country for the
Speaker 6: first time screwing around trying to figure out a way
Speaker 6: out of this. And the only way, the only absolute
Speaker 6: way that this country is going to get out of
Speaker 6: any kind of a hard time with tariffs, we have
Speaker 6: to develop our own country. We are get to do that.
Speaker 2: Greg, Greg, I hate to do this to you, but
Speaker 2: I've gone way too long, not as long as they
Speaker 2: did with John. Please keep me posted. Who's going to
Speaker 2: win the race for Prime Minister's Carnie is shoeing.
Speaker 6: I don't think so. I think Paul's gonna pull it out.
Speaker 2: All right. Well, that's gonna be interesting too. I do
Speaker 2: got a run. Please call more often and I'll give
Speaker 2: you more time.
Speaker 6: Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2: I really need you as as a Canadian point of
Speaker 2: view on my program, and I mean that honestly. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, good night.
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a quick break. I'm gonna try to
Speaker 2: get Tim Patrick, Rob and Tom all in. We can
Speaker 2: do it if everybody cooperates.
Speaker 1: Back on Night Side, It's night Side, Boston's News. Ready
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna do a very quick round here. We're
Speaker 2: gonna try to get five. I don't think I'll get five,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna try. Robin Medford go ahead, Rob, set
Speaker 2: the pace again.
Speaker 9: Outside, I'll try to get a couple of points. And Uh,
Speaker 9: Rome wasn't built in a day. You got to give
Speaker 9: these tariffs a chance to take effect. Some of these
Speaker 9: people may cave in and all these hypothetical situations.
Speaker 10: Uh, you don't have to worry.
Speaker 9: About your game boards. Uh, the price of eggs came
Speaker 9: the price of eggs came down, didn't it. You know,
Speaker 9: Rome wasn't built in the day. These things are gonna
Speaker 9: are gonna take their course, and they may may become
Speaker 9: much quicker. I feel like America has been going into
Speaker 9: the into the school yard, and we'll be getting our
Speaker 9: lunch money stolen all these years and again, and now
Speaker 9: finally we've got somebody to stick up for us. And
Speaker 9: and Papa Bear is gonna let us keep our lunch money.
Speaker 9: It was like, who made these tariffs is like politicians
Speaker 9: put it, put it on us so they could be popular,
Speaker 9: and they give our money away.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's keep our bunch lunch money and figure
Speaker 2: out how to produce checkerboards.
Speaker 9: That'll be our slow is the mother of invention. The
Speaker 9: director will find a way to make aluminum here and
Speaker 9: build game boards and so he can stay home and
Speaker 9: pot ashes plants.
Speaker 2: All right, doctor Larry, Great, great job, Great, that was quick.
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling. Gonna go to Tom in dor Chester. Tom,
Speaker 2: I'm prouting on you, Tom. Go ahead.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And that's why Donald Trump wants tax cuts. The tax
Speaker 10: cuts will offset these tariffs. I'm telling you, task cuts
Speaker 10: will get the economy going more, and we'll be all
Speaker 10: pay for these tariffs we have to pay. And plus
Speaker 10: these people, if you put the tariff on him, neill
Speaker 10: cut their places. That's what they always do. China cuts
Speaker 10: his prices, so you don't pay that much more at all.
Speaker 10: All right, we get the tax cuts. We're all set, Dan.
Speaker 2: All right, Tom, you very much. Dan, appreciate your brevity.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Tim and Wilburn. Tim, you gotta be quick
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 11: Go ahead, Tim, Hi, Dan. I hope uh Trump succeeds
Speaker 11: because I voted from him.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good reason to route and also root
Speaker 2: for him as if he succeeds the country to do better.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid that he might be biting off more than
Speaker 2: get you. Time will tell.
Speaker 11: Time, lottel Any, I got your T shirt you sent me.
Speaker 11: It says a gift mess Tim Ray, your Knight side
Speaker 11: T shirt, probably in woven. All the best, Dan, Ray,
Speaker 11: you got it.
Speaker 2: You got it. That's what I wrote, and I meant it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jim.
Speaker 11: Fiat Renault. He's on the twenty seventh of April, looking.
Speaker 2: Forward, looking forward to it. That'll be great, Thanks Jim.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 11: Okay, thank you, good night.
Speaker 2: Let's get Patrick. Patrick, you got to be quick for me.
Speaker 2: I got one more I want to try to get in.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Patrick, Yeah, no problem. Hey, that guy with
Speaker 8: the bull games and no offense to their guy loves
Speaker 8: have him had the opportunity to defend himself, But it
Speaker 8: just shows like the lack of the lack of understanding
Speaker 8: of what we're really talking about. We're talking about the
Speaker 8: loss of critical industry. We're talking about the loss of
Speaker 8: steel manufacturing. We're talking about the loss of pharmaceutical manufacturers. Dan,
Speaker 8: when you grew up, I mean, my dad came home
Speaker 8: from World War Two, we went to work with Bethlehem
Speaker 8: steel building ships. How many ships are built in Boston anymore?
Speaker 6: Dan?
Speaker 2: None?
Speaker 4: None?
Speaker 8: How many thousands of working guys with union jobs making
Speaker 8: fifty bucks an hour would that have been if they
Speaker 8: were still built? And they're all built in China and
Speaker 8: South Korea? Now, American politicians, let that happen. Bringing us
Speaker 8: back to our feet is going to involve a little
Speaker 8: bit of pain, but in the end it's going to
Speaker 8: be worth.
Speaker 2: It, all right, Well said, Well said Patrick. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get one more in, buddy. We'll talk soon, Okay,
Speaker 2: I owe you more time next time. Thank you. Andrew
Speaker 2: in Gloucester, Andrew, everybody is giving you about a minute.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Andrew. Oh boys, if Andrew's not there, put
Speaker 2: them on hold. If you find him great, we'll give
Speaker 2: him about thirty seconds. Andrew, I got to tell you
Speaker 2: if that that really bothers me, that somebody would call
Speaker 2: in late and then either be so callous that they
Speaker 2: don't follow Rob's instructions and they're listening to the radio
Speaker 2: and then they hang up. To those who I kind
Speaker 2: of changed at the end, I apologize. I was trying
Speaker 2: to get five people in Robin Medford, Tom in Dorchester,
Speaker 2: Tim and Wooburn and Patrick and Charlestown. All of them
Speaker 2: gave up some time to accommodate Andrew and Andrew. You'll
Speaker 2: let them all down so we'll remember that next time
Speaker 2: you call Andrew. That's for sure. My thanks to all
Speaker 2: the callers, specifically Rob, Tom, Tim and Patrick in the
Speaker 2: last few minutes. They were all great. They were succeeded,
Speaker 2: and they got right to the point. See who this is.
Speaker 2: If this happens to be this guy Kellen callin back,
Speaker 2: I'll be real interested. I will thank Rob Brooks, I
Speaker 2: will thank Meda. I will thank Josh Kraft, candidate for
Speaker 2: mayor in Boston. You can find him pretty easily at
Speaker 2: Josh from Boston dot com. I will also thank Professor
Speaker 2: Greg Staller of the Question School of Business at Boston University.
Speaker 2: I'll be on Facebook in pretty quick time here, maybe
Speaker 2: about I don't know. I'd say about two minutes, and
Speaker 2: I will end as always again, I want to thank
Speaker 2: everybody who called in tonight, but not Andrew from Gloucester
Speaker 2: who stole time from other people. Done for the night.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be on Facebook in about I don't know,
Speaker 2: two minutes. All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
Speaker 2: That's my pal Charlie Raids, who passed fifteen years ago
Speaker 2: in February. That's why all your pets are who passed.
Speaker 2: They loved you when you love them. I do believe
Speaker 2: you'll see them again. Hope to see again on nightside.
Speaker 2: Have a great Friday everyone, tgif will be back tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: I guarantee it. We'll have some interesting topics tomorrow and
Speaker 2: we'll have a great twentieth hour before you stay with us.
Speaker 2: Thanks for your support and your loyalty. Tonight's side, my
Speaker 2: name is Dan Ray. Sleep well everyone,