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Speaker 1: Hey, twenty nine and fifty five carcd talk station and
Speaker 1: hope you're having a very happy Friday. Tech frid of
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Speaker 1: next conversation we'll be posted after the show. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the fifty five CARC Morning Show. Editor in chief
Speaker 1: for the Ohio Press Network, Jack Windsor, Jack, it's a
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the program this morning.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's honored to be here. Thank you for choosing me.
Speaker 1: Always enjoyed, happy, looking forward to your insight on these
Speaker 1: important matters. Let's talk about the veto overrides. I was
Speaker 1: scratching my head. What does Governor de Wine have against
Speaker 1: some small steps in the right direction of providing the
Speaker 1: property owners here in the state of Ohio with some
Speaker 1: property retax relief. Of the sixty plus vetos, he singled
Speaker 1: out three of the ones that were related to a
Speaker 1: step in the right direction for property tax relief. Now
Speaker 1: we can talk about the specifics of them. But these
Speaker 1: were a consequence of a lot of study groups and
Speaker 1: efforts and work over the years to hopefully come up
Speaker 1: with a solution to get this onerous property tax bill
Speaker 1: off our back. So this has been widely discussed and
Speaker 1: these things were ferreted out, and he vetos them and says, no,
Speaker 1: we need to talk about this more. What's your take
Speaker 1: on this, Jack, what's he got against property tax relief?
Speaker 4: Well, you know my take on it is he loves power,
Speaker 4: he loves control, and he loves things done his way.
Speaker 4: I guess what I scratched my head at was many
Speaker 4: of the property tax provisions that were placed in that
Speaker 4: biennial budget were actually the result of over a year
Speaker 4: of research and investigation by lawmakers and hundreds of hours. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so what they what they put in the bill was
Speaker 4: already the productice of a work group. And then DeWine
Speaker 4: comes out and says, well, you know, I think what
Speaker 4: we need to do is take a closer look at this.
Speaker 4: I'm going to create a work group. And he's done
Speaker 4: just that. So he has already started that process of
Speaker 4: creating a work group. You know, to me, it signals
Speaker 4: and listen, any one who follows me on social media.
Speaker 4: Anyone who's followed by reporting on Governor Mike Dwine, I
Speaker 4: call balls and strikes no matter who the person. But
Speaker 4: when it comes to Governor Mike Dwine, I usually I
Speaker 4: don't mince words. And this is just a guy that
Speaker 4: I think is out of touch. I've never seen property
Speaker 4: owners here in the Buckeye State as livid as they
Speaker 4: are right now, and rightfully so. I talked to a
Speaker 4: man yesterday who has seen a thirty nine percent increase
Speaker 4: in his latest property tax bill, and he explains to
Speaker 4: me what many of us already understand, which is great.
Speaker 3: The value of my house.
Speaker 4: Went up almost forty percent, but I didn't sell it
Speaker 4: right and now I have to pay the difference in cash.
Speaker 1: It's an unrealized gain. Your house is only worth what
Speaker 1: you can sell it for on the open market at
Speaker 1: the day of the sale, close period, end of story.
Speaker 1: They could tell you all day long your house is
Speaker 1: worth eight hundred thousand dollars, but if no one out
Speaker 1: there is willing to spend more than six hundred celebi,
Speaker 1: are you going to stay? It's unrealized gains.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to me that we could be
Speaker 1: testing that in the courts. How can you tax me
Speaker 1: on an unrealized value?
Speaker 4: I mean, that is it certainly seems unfair, and I
Speaker 4: think that strikes at the heart of what lawmakers tried
Speaker 4: to do with property taxes. And by the way, I
Speaker 4: have to be the first to admit our tax structure
Speaker 4: in Ohio, particularly when you start looking at property taxes,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a mass. I mean, it's really hard
Speaker 4: to understand. And I think the part of the effort,
Speaker 4: part of the victory that lawmakers tried to celebrate when
Speaker 4: getting this budget over the finish line, was they were
Speaker 4: going to simplify the property tax code all all the
Speaker 4: different types of levees that schools go out for. It
Speaker 4: can be very it can be very confusing. For example,
Speaker 4: there are districts that go out and and they'll declare
Speaker 4: it an emergency levee, and as a voter, you go, oh, well,
Speaker 4: that sounds is better.
Speaker 3: We better approve that one or else, right.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately, what we found out through the vetting of
Speaker 4: this uh these property tax provisions, there was one school
Speaker 4: district that was in an emergency levee position for twenty years.
Speaker 4: And the question is what kind of an emergency is
Speaker 4: it if for twenty years it's you know, it's a
Speaker 4: persistent issue. And so part of what this, uh, this
Speaker 4: language tries to do was really dumb down the tax code.
Speaker 4: And so if you're a school district, you know they're
Speaker 4: saying there are only two types of levees and we're
Speaker 4: gonna be very clear about what those are, right and
Speaker 4: here they are, and uh, I think it takes away
Speaker 4: a lot of confusion for voters. But I digress. I
Speaker 4: probably need to come back up and not so far
Speaker 4: in the weeds there.
Speaker 1: No, that's okay, because what was it the cap If
Speaker 1: you didn't spend over forty percent of the prior year's budget,
Speaker 1: you couldn't ask for a levey. I mean, is that
Speaker 1: kind of what it boiled down to into the provision
Speaker 1: that he vetoed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what we've seen is and I talked to
Speaker 4: State Senator Andrew Brenner on this earlier in the week,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to give you numbers that are not precise.
Speaker 4: So let's just take this for what it is. But
Speaker 4: say a decade ago, schools carried over maybe ten to
Speaker 4: eleven percent. That number has ballooned in terms of percentage,
Speaker 4: it's well over forty percent. And schools were carrying about
Speaker 4: ten and a half billion dollars in extra cash in
Speaker 4: the past couple of years, and so lawmakers said, well, listen,
Speaker 4: if you're carrying that much cash and property owners are
Speaker 4: struggling to pay their property tax bills, what we might
Speaker 4: want to take a look at is giving these local authorities,
Speaker 4: these local commissions, the opportunity to say, Okay, if you
Speaker 4: have cash in excess of forty percent of your operating budget,
Speaker 4: we're going to return that to taxpayers who are struggling
Speaker 4: to pay the tax bills.
Speaker 3: And that that is what got shot down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seems like a very logical and reasonable
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. So I understand they're bringing
Speaker 1: back the lawmakers to override the three specific property tax
Speaker 1: related provisions to wine vitoed Jack your tea leaf. Prediction
Speaker 1: on the success of that effort.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the one that they're not certain about
Speaker 4: is that forty percent cap, But I think the other
Speaker 4: the other three are are pretty significant. One of them
Speaker 4: is making sure that the twenty mili floor calculation is changed.
Speaker 4: And without getting too confusing there, what's happening now is
Speaker 4: schools are going outside of what they could get at
Speaker 4: the you know, the baseline two percent and creating these
Speaker 4: other operating levees, and so lawmakers are going, now, we're
Speaker 4: going to include all of that into calculation to eliminate
Speaker 4: this type of confusion. I think I think the three
Speaker 4: other than the forty percent cap on carry over money,
Speaker 4: I think they will pass. The twenty first is the
Speaker 4: target date for the House members to return. The Senate
Speaker 4: is still working on a date to return, but because
Speaker 4: it is a House bill, it has to originate the
Speaker 4: override vote and effort that is has to originate in
Speaker 4: the House, So that will happen on the twenty first,
Speaker 4: and I expect the Senate we'll see probably sometime later
Speaker 4: in July, if not early August. The challenge they're running into,
Speaker 4: I understand, is a lot of lawmakers, as you know,
Speaker 4: they have second jobs and or they have families, and
Speaker 4: this is the time of year that they schedule vacations,
Speaker 4: and because they need three fifths vote approval, you want
Speaker 4: to make sure you get all the lawmakers back, and
Speaker 4: I think in the Senate that equates to about twenty
Speaker 4: two votes. So they're going to make sure that they
Speaker 4: have all the lawmakers back that are going to vote
Speaker 4: in favor of overriding the veto.
Speaker 3: So it'll be just a little later for the Senate.
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, And they have a window of
Speaker 1: opportunity that goes beyond the summer break period. So if
Speaker 1: they can't get that the cats herded before then they
Speaker 1: could bring them back maybe in September or something and
Speaker 1: address it at that point. Jack Windsor from the Ohio
Speaker 1: Press Network editor in chief, will bring you back. And
Speaker 1: I was mentioning earlier in the program. I've said it
Speaker 1: a couple of times. What a great ideal opportunity. Since
Speaker 1: you now have to, if you're able body, you now
Speaker 1: have to work at least twenty hours or get education
Speaker 1: at least twenty hours a week to continue Medicaid benefits.
Speaker 1: What a perfect time to do that because there are
Speaker 1: an abundance of job opportunities available for folks out there.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with Jack after these brief words.
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Speaker 1: Coming up I eighty forty one fifty five KRCD talk
Speaker 1: station Brian Thomas with the editor in chief of the
Speaker 1: Io Press Network. You can follow them on social media
Speaker 1: Ohio Press Network. It's Jack Windsor, returning to the fifty
Speaker 1: five KRC Morning Show talking about budget line item vetos
Speaker 1: from the governor in the last segment and pivoting over
Speaker 1: to Ohio and the amount of jobs that are available.
Speaker 1: Sadly though, Hi, according to the reporting from the High
Speaker 1: Press Network, Ohio's unemployment rate, Jack is the ninth worst
Speaker 1: in there. And that's a statement in an article talking
Speaker 1: about small business owners clamoring to find qualified employees and
Speaker 1: having a desperate search to find those employees to fill
Speaker 1: the jobs that are available. Our employ our labor participantation
Speaker 1: rate does not have to be this low, and if
Speaker 1: those jobs are out there, we can improve that number
Speaker 1: of people just got up and started applying for jobs,
Speaker 1: couldn't we?
Speaker 4: It sure seems that way. And so I'm on both
Speaker 4: sides of the aisle here, one as a reporter and
Speaker 4: to my wife and I have several small businesses that
Speaker 4: we operate, and so we're living this. Four point nine
Speaker 4: percent was the stated unemployment rate in Ohio the last
Speaker 4: iteration of numbers that we received. As you mentioned, it's
Speaker 4: not good compared to other states. But what's really interesting
Speaker 4: is that unemployment is high and in businesses, small businesses,
Speaker 4: and that's the distinction. Small businesses are concerned at about
Speaker 4: two percentage points higher than they were last survey cycle
Speaker 4: on this so and and by the way, you know,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of businesses that operate and you
Speaker 4: can think of what they are during the summer, and
Speaker 4: so there's an increase in need for employees. So it
Speaker 4: might not be that uncommon for smaller companies to try
Speaker 4: to hire more. But I think there's something going on
Speaker 4: in the workforce still. I always contend, and I hate
Speaker 4: to beat this drum to death, I always contend that
Speaker 4: there's a certain amount of people that became brain broken
Speaker 4: during COVID, and we see that in the in the
Speaker 4: in the job market, and it's a lot more of
Speaker 4: a fickle job market than I've seen in a while.
Speaker 4: But it's it's certainly a struggle for small businesses to
Speaker 4: find employ and keep good employees well.
Speaker 1: And you know, I have a thirty two year old son,
Speaker 1: and I've heard this anecdotal stories and observations that he's
Speaker 1: passed along to me about the age group and their
Speaker 1: mentality toward workforce. They don't have any loyalty to know
Speaker 1: at all, and you know they'll walk off a job
Speaker 1: without even giving notice if they find out what they
Speaker 1: proceed to be a better opportunity. They're just up and gone.
Speaker 1: They don't feel like they need gave you a two
Speaker 1: weeks notice. They won't even call back if you get
Speaker 1: an interview opportunity. It's just like they ghost the employer
Speaker 1: who's reaching out to them because they submitted a resume.
Speaker 1: It's a really weird he mentioned fickle. But it's just
Speaker 1: the concept of loyalty and desire to do hard work,
Speaker 1: even if for the sake of work, it just doesn't
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist anymore, at least it appears.
Speaker 4: So well, Yeah, there is a very interesting dynamic, and
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna reveal how old I am here and
Speaker 4: you and I might be the same on as Brian.
Speaker 4: When I was younger and I was looking for a job,
Speaker 4: I put on a dagum suit and yeah, I printed
Speaker 4: out resumes and I walked into places and said, hi,
Speaker 4: I'm Jack winsor here's what I've done.
Speaker 3: Do you have an opening?
Speaker 4: You know, you don't see that stuff anymore now, part
Speaker 4: of it is technology has advanced, and I get that,
Speaker 4: but you know, there's there's two things that I think
Speaker 4: I've seen in in in the workforce that I haven't seen,
Speaker 4: you know before, now that I'm really starting to notice.
Speaker 4: And one of the things you just said is that
Speaker 4: there is no loyalty and you know, for a few
Speaker 4: dollars more.
Speaker 3: Right. But here's the other thing that I'm seeing.
Speaker 4: And maybe it's because workers are more in charge now,
Speaker 4: maybe they have more choices, maybe they have more options.
Speaker 4: But what I see is we you know, we have
Speaker 4: several employees who have multiple jobs. So instead of certainly
Speaker 4: there are people who are unemployed, and then and then
Speaker 4: you have people who work two or three jobs. And
Speaker 4: so if you're one of those employers, now you're competing
Speaker 4: not only further off time, but you're competing for maybe
Speaker 4: they could work with that other job for fifty cents
Speaker 4: you know, more an hour, I don't know. And so
Speaker 4: once in a while we'll call people and say, hey,
Speaker 4: so and so called off, can you show up, Ah,
Speaker 4: I've got my second job. Let me let me call
Speaker 4: and see if I can you know, go in later
Speaker 4: there or whatever. And so, you know, there are just
Speaker 4: there's just weirder dynamics in the job market than I've
Speaker 4: seen in part of it. I'm going to go back
Speaker 4: to you as I think we became very accustomed to
Speaker 4: sitting on our smartphones and watching wine with the wine
Speaker 4: at two o'clock, and a lot of people just like
Speaker 4: to stay on the couch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I certainly see that myself, and I can't let
Speaker 1: this go without saying I wanted to go back to
Speaker 1: the budget and get your reaction because I think I
Speaker 1: know where it's going to be the money for the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, and that's the subject of litigation. I talked
Speaker 1: to the lead attorney at the Dan Law firm who's
Speaker 1: launched this legal challenge, and I think he is going
Speaker 1: to be met with wild success and I see him
Speaker 1: getting summary judgment on it. Because this is a taking
Speaker 1: of private property for the use of going to another
Speaker 1: private entity, in this particular case, the owner of the family.
Speaker 1: That's unconstitutional. I don't care how the budget reads. You
Speaker 1: can't trump the constitutional reality of the countless cases that
Speaker 1: have said you can't do that, so maybe it'll get overturned,
Speaker 1: But the simple concept of doing it, Jack, who is
Speaker 1: it that that family has pictures of that allowed them
Speaker 1: to get six hundred million dollars for a private sports stadium.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just drives me out of my mind.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I could probably get on my soapbox for
Speaker 4: twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: Here there are sixty seven line item vetos.
Speaker 4: Some of them I scratch my head, like keeping library
Speaker 4: books that have pornographic material or gender transition stuff within
Speaker 4: the line of side of children and dwine over riding
Speaker 4: that veto.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't either.
Speaker 4: I don't get keeping money for homeless shelters that socially
Speaker 4: transitioned kids.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I don't support it.
Speaker 4: But the one that I think the optics are terrible
Speaker 4: on is you're skating. You're kicking the can down the road.
Speaker 4: On property tax reform. Yeah, people are losing their homes, Brian.
Speaker 4: They're losing their homes, homes that they've paid for. But
Speaker 4: because you know they're on a fixed income or whatever,
Speaker 4: they can't they're going to lose a home. But we're
Speaker 4: going to give six hundred million dollars to the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4: This is tone deafness at its peak in my opinion.
Speaker 4: And I joke and and and Brian, maybe you can
Speaker 4: join me in this. I would argue you and I
Speaker 4: provide much more of a public service than the Cleveland clowns.
Speaker 3: Where's our millions? And then where's the line in the sand.
Speaker 4: When do you say, no, we can't give it to
Speaker 4: that private business, but we can give it to this
Speaker 4: private business.
Speaker 3: I think it looks awful.
Speaker 1: It looks awful. And you're a small business owner. Was
Speaker 1: there a line forming around the block in the state
Speaker 1: House that said this is where you stand in line
Speaker 1: to put your hand in the cookie jar?
Speaker 3: No, well and listen, Oh go ahead, Sorry, No, just
Speaker 3: making the point.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's clearly the brown said they're footing the door.
Speaker 1: They had an in road. They're obviously very politically well connected.
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of campaign money to throw around.
Speaker 1: They're going to get the money. Everybody else will suck
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just it. And and and frankly, I think
Speaker 3: there's a common thread here.
Speaker 4: We just talked about unemployment in small businesses being concerned.
Speaker 3: You know who's not concerned?
Speaker 4: Intel Anderill Right, the state is very happy to help
Speaker 4: those bigger companies. And if you're the Cleveland Browns and
Speaker 4: the haslems that they're willing to help you, but there
Speaker 4: are a lot of mom and pop companies out there
Speaker 4: that could certainly use some help.
Speaker 3: And so that's all I'm going to say about that.
Speaker 4: But I just think, listen, I grew up a Browns fan,
Speaker 4: so obviously I'm patient and I know what heartache is.
Speaker 4: But I just don't give money to a private enterprise
Speaker 4: to build a stadium. And by the way, it's not
Speaker 4: the first time we've seen this movie, Brian. We know
Speaker 4: that the promises that these families and these companies, these
Speaker 4: sports teams make at the front end, they're never fulfilled
Speaker 4: on the back end. Never, they always overestimate and underdeliver.
Speaker 4: I don't know we should not be shocked when this
Speaker 4: is the case here.
Speaker 1: I think there have been studies. There's no singles a
Speaker 1: stadium out there that has generated the return on investment
Speaker 1: that's promised up front, and then after the project is
Speaker 1: built you realize that no, maybe not, but it's too
Speaker 1: late that by that point, Jack Windsor, You're always welcome
Speaker 1: on the fifty five Carsy Morning Show. I appreciate your insights,
Speaker 1: your comments, your thoughts, and enjoy reading what you and
Speaker 1: the other folks at the Ohio Press Network right about.
Speaker 1: It's online.
Speaker 3: You can find it, folks.
Speaker 1: I will recommend it the ohiopressnetwork dot com.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 1: I look forward to having it back on the program
Speaker 1: real soon. I hope you have a wonderful weekend. My
Speaker 1: friend you tube, Brian, thanks for having me. Take care.
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