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<v Speaker 1>for the Ohio Press Network, Jack Windsor, Jack, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure to have you on the program this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, it's honored to be here. Thank you for choosing me.

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<v Speaker 1>Always enjoyed, happy, looking forward to your insight on these

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<v Speaker 1>important matters. Let's talk about the veto overrides. I was

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<v Speaker 1>scratching my head. What does Governor de Wine have against

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<v Speaker 1>some small steps in the right direction of providing the

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<v Speaker 1>property owners here in the state of Ohio with some

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<v Speaker 1>property retax relief. Of the sixty plus vetos, he singled

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<v Speaker 1>out three of the ones that were related to a

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<v Speaker 1>step in the right direction for property tax relief. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about the specifics of them. But these

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<v Speaker 1>were a consequence of a lot of study groups and

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<v Speaker 1>efforts and work over the years to hopefully come up

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<v Speaker 1>with a solution to get this onerous property tax bill

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<v Speaker 1>off our back. So this has been widely discussed and

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<v Speaker 1>these things were ferreted out, and he vetos them and says, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to talk about this more. What's your take

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<v Speaker 1>on this, Jack, what's he got against property tax relief?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know my take on it is he loves power,

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<v Speaker 4>he loves control, and he loves things done his way.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess what I scratched my head at was many

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<v Speaker 4>of the property tax provisions that were placed in that

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<v Speaker 4>biennial budget were actually the result of over a year

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<v Speaker 4>of research and investigation by lawmakers and hundreds of hours. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so what they what they put in the bill was

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<v Speaker 4>already the productice of a work group. And then DeWine

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<v Speaker 4>comes out and says, well, you know, I think what

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<v Speaker 4>we need to do is take a closer look at this.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to create a work group. And he's done

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<v Speaker 4>just that. So he has already started that process of

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<v Speaker 4>creating a work group. You know, to me, it signals

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<v Speaker 4>and listen, any one who follows me on social media.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyone who's followed by reporting on Governor Mike Dwine, I

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<v Speaker 4>call balls and strikes no matter who the person. But

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to Governor Mike Dwine, I usually I

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<v Speaker 4>don't mince words. And this is just a guy that

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<v Speaker 4>I think is out of touch. I've never seen property

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<v Speaker 4>owners here in the Buckeye State as livid as they

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<v Speaker 4>are right now, and rightfully so. I talked to a

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<v Speaker 4>man yesterday who has seen a thirty nine percent increase

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<v Speaker 4>in his latest property tax bill, and he explains to

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<v Speaker 4>me what many of us already understand, which is great.

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<v Speaker 3>The value of my house.

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<v Speaker 4>Went up almost forty percent, but I didn't sell it

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<v Speaker 4>right and now I have to pay the difference in cash.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an unrealized gain. Your house is only worth what

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<v Speaker 1>you can sell it for on the open market at

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<v Speaker 1>the day of the sale, close period, end of story.

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<v Speaker 1>They could tell you all day long your house is

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<v Speaker 1>worth eight hundred thousand dollars, but if no one out

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<v Speaker 1>there is willing to spend more than six hundred celebi,

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to stay? It's unrealized gains.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it seems to me that we could be

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<v Speaker 1>testing that in the courts. How can you tax me

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that is it certainly seems unfair, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think that strikes at the heart of what lawmakers tried

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<v Speaker 4>to do with property taxes. And by the way, I

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<v Speaker 4>have to be the first to admit our tax structure

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<v Speaker 4>in Ohio, particularly when you start looking at property taxes,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a it's a mass. I mean, it's really hard

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<v Speaker 4>to understand. And I think the part of the effort,

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<v Speaker 4>part of the victory that lawmakers tried to celebrate when

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<v Speaker 4>getting this budget over the finish line, was they were

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<v Speaker 4>going to simplify the property tax code all all the

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<v Speaker 4>different types of levees that schools go out for. It

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<v Speaker 4>can be very it can be very confusing. For example,

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<v Speaker 4>there are districts that go out and and they'll declare

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<v Speaker 4>it an emergency levee, and as a voter, you go, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>that sounds is better.

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<v Speaker 3>We better approve that one or else, right.

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<v Speaker 4>But unfortunately, what we found out through the vetting of

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<v Speaker 4>this uh these property tax provisions, there was one school

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<v Speaker 4>district that was in an emergency levee position for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 4>And the question is what kind of an emergency is

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<v Speaker 4>it if for twenty years it's you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>persistent issue. And so part of what this, uh, this

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<v Speaker 4>language tries to do was really dumb down the tax code.

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<v Speaker 4>And so if you're a school district, you know they're

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<v Speaker 4>saying there are only two types of levees and we're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be very clear about what those are, right and

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<v Speaker 4>here they are, and uh, I think it takes away

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of confusion for voters. But I digress. I

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<v Speaker 4>probably need to come back up and not so far

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<v Speaker 4>in the weeds there.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's okay, because what was it the cap If

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't spend over forty percent of the prior year's budget,

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't ask for a levey. I mean, is that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what it boiled down to into the provision

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<v Speaker 1>that he vetoed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So what we've seen is and I talked to

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<v Speaker 4>State Senator Andrew Brenner on this earlier in the week,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to give you numbers that are not precise.

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<v Speaker 4>So let's just take this for what it is. But

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<v Speaker 4>say a decade ago, schools carried over maybe ten to

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<v Speaker 4>eleven percent. That number has ballooned in terms of percentage,

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<v Speaker 4>it's well over forty percent. And schools were carrying about

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<v Speaker 4>ten and a half billion dollars in extra cash in

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<v Speaker 4>the past couple of years, and so lawmakers said, well, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're carrying that much cash and property owners are

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<v Speaker 4>struggling to pay their property tax bills, what we might

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<v Speaker 4>want to take a look at is giving these local authorities,

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<v Speaker 4>these local commissions, the opportunity to say, Okay, if you

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<v Speaker 4>have cash in excess of forty percent of your operating budget,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to return that to taxpayers who are struggling

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<v Speaker 4>to pay the tax bills.

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<v Speaker 3>And that that is what got shot down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it seems like a very logical and reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>step in the right direction. So I understand they're bringing

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<v Speaker 1>back the lawmakers to override the three specific property tax

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<v Speaker 1>related provisions to wine vitoed Jack your tea leaf. Prediction

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<v Speaker 1>on the success of that effort.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, the one that they're not certain about

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<v Speaker 4>is that forty percent cap, But I think the other

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<v Speaker 4>the other three are are pretty significant. One of them

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<v Speaker 4>is making sure that the twenty mili floor calculation is changed.

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<v Speaker 4>And without getting too confusing there, what's happening now is

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<v Speaker 4>schools are going outside of what they could get at

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<v Speaker 4>the you know, the baseline two percent and creating these

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<v Speaker 4>other operating levees, and so lawmakers are going, now, we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to include all of that into calculation to eliminate

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<v Speaker 4>this type of confusion. I think I think the three

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<v Speaker 4>other than the forty percent cap on carry over money,

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<v Speaker 4>I think they will pass. The twenty first is the

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<v Speaker 4>target date for the House members to return. The Senate

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<v Speaker 4>is still working on a date to return, but because

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<v Speaker 4>it is a House bill, it has to originate the

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<v Speaker 4>override vote and effort that is has to originate in

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<v Speaker 4>the House, So that will happen on the twenty first,

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<v Speaker 4>and I expect the Senate we'll see probably sometime later

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<v Speaker 4>in July, if not early August. The challenge they're running into,

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<v Speaker 4>I understand, is a lot of lawmakers, as you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they have second jobs and or they have families, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is the time of year that they schedule vacations,

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<v Speaker 4>and because they need three fifths vote approval, you want

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<v Speaker 4>to make sure you get all the lawmakers back, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think in the Senate that equates to about twenty

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<v Speaker 4>two votes. So they're going to make sure that they

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<v Speaker 4>have all the lawmakers back that are going to vote

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<v Speaker 4>in favor of overriding the veto.

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<v Speaker 3>So it'll be just a little later for the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, fair enough, And they have a window of

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity that goes beyond the summer break period. So if

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<v Speaker 1>they can't get that the cats herded before then they

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<v Speaker 1>could bring them back maybe in September or something and

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<v Speaker 1>address it at that point. Jack Windsor from the Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>I was mentioning earlier in the program. I've said it

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of times. What a great ideal opportunity. Since

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<v Speaker 1>you now have to, if you're able body, you now

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<v Speaker 1>at least twenty hours a week to continue Medicaid benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>What a perfect time to do that because there are

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<v Speaker 1>an abundance of job opportunities available for folks out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with Jack after these brief words.

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<v Speaker 2>seehealth dot com. We have a saul on two seventy

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Heather Pasco on fifty five KRC the talks station.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up I eighty forty one fifty five KRCD talk

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio Press Network. It's Jack Windsor, returning to the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>Sadly though, Hi, according to the reporting from the High

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<v Speaker 1>Press Network, Ohio's unemployment rate, Jack is the ninth worst

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<v Speaker 1>in there. And that's a statement in an article talking

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<v Speaker 1>about small business owners clamoring to find qualified employees and

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<v Speaker 1>rate does not have to be this low, and if

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<v Speaker 1>those jobs are out there, we can improve that number

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<v Speaker 1>of people just got up and started applying for jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't we?

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<v Speaker 4>It sure seems that way. And so I'm on both

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<v Speaker 4>to my wife and I have several small businesses that

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<v Speaker 4>we operate, and so we're living this. Four point nine

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<v Speaker 4>percent was the stated unemployment rate in Ohio the last

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<v Speaker 4>iteration of numbers that we received. As you mentioned, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not good compared to other states. But what's really interesting

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<v Speaker 4>is that unemployment is high and in businesses, small businesses,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's the distinction. Small businesses are concerned at about

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<v Speaker 4>two percentage points higher than they were last survey cycle

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<v Speaker 4>on this so and and by the way, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>there are a lot of businesses that operate and you

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<v Speaker 4>so there's an increase in need for employees. So it

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<v Speaker 4>might not be that uncommon for smaller companies to try

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<v Speaker 4>in the workforce still. I always contend, and I hate

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<v Speaker 4>there's a certain amount of people that became brain broken

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<v Speaker 4>during COVID, and we see that in the in the

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<v Speaker 4>in the job market, and it's a lot more of

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<v Speaker 4>a fickle job market than I've seen in a while.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's it's certainly a struggle for small businesses to

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I have a thirty two year old son,

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<v Speaker 1>at all, and you know they'll walk off a job

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<v Speaker 1>without even giving notice if they find out what they

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<v Speaker 1>proceed to be a better opportunity. They're just up and gone.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't feel like they need gave you a two

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<v Speaker 1>an interview opportunity. It's just like they ghost the employer

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<v Speaker 1>who's reaching out to them because they submitted a resume.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really weird he mentioned fickle. But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of loyalty and desire to do hard work,

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't exist anymore, at least it appears.

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<v Speaker 4>So well, Yeah, there is a very interesting dynamic, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm probably gonna reveal how old I am here and

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<v Speaker 4>you and I might be the same on as Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>When I was younger and I was looking for a job,

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<v Speaker 4>I put on a dagum suit and yeah, I printed

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<v Speaker 4>out resumes and I walked into places and said, hi,

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have an opening?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you don't see that stuff anymore now, part

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<v Speaker 4>of it is technology has advanced, and I get that,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, there's there's two things that I think

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen in in in the workforce that I haven't seen,

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<v Speaker 4>you know before, now that I'm really starting to notice.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the things you just said is that

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<v Speaker 3>Right. But here's the other thing that I'm seeing.

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<v Speaker 4>But what I see is we you know, we have

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<v Speaker 4>not only further off time, but you're competing for maybe

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<v Speaker 4>they could work with that other job for fifty cents

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<v Speaker 4>you know, more an hour, I don't know. And so

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<v Speaker 4>once in a while we'll call people and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>seen in part of it. I'm going to go back

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<v Speaker 4>to you as I think we became very accustomed to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I certainly see that myself, and I can't let

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<v Speaker 1>this go without saying I wanted to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the budget and get your reaction because I think I

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<v Speaker 1>know where it's going to be the money for the

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Browns, and that's the subject of litigation. I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to the lead attorney at the Dan Law firm who's

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<v Speaker 1>launched this legal challenge, and I think he is going

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<v Speaker 1>getting summary judgment on it. Because this is a taking

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<v Speaker 1>of private property for the use of going to another

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<v Speaker 1>private entity, in this particular case, the owner of the family.

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<v Speaker 1>That's unconstitutional. I don't care how the budget reads. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't trump the constitutional reality of the countless cases that

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<v Speaker 1>have said you can't do that, so maybe it'll get overturned,

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<v Speaker 1>But the simple concept of doing it, Jack, who is

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<v Speaker 1>it that that family has pictures of that allowed them

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<v Speaker 1>to get six hundred million dollars for a private sports stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it just drives me out of my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I could probably get on my soapbox for

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<v Speaker 3>Here there are sixty seven line item vetos.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of them I scratch my head, like keeping library

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<v Speaker 4>books that have pornographic material or gender transition stuff within

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't get keeping money for homeless shelters that socially

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it. I don't support it.

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<v Speaker 4>But the one that I think the optics are terrible

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<v Speaker 4>on is you're skating. You're kicking the can down the road.

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<v Speaker 4>On property tax reform. Yeah, people are losing their homes, Brian.

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<v Speaker 4>They're losing their homes, homes that they've paid for. But

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<v Speaker 4>because you know they're on a fixed income or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>they can't they're going to lose a home. But we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to give six hundred million dollars to the Cleveland Browns.

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<v Speaker 4>This is tone deafness at its peak in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 4>And I joke and and and Brian, maybe you can

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<v Speaker 4>join me in this. I would argue you and I

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<v Speaker 4>provide much more of a public service than the Cleveland clowns.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's our millions? And then where's the line in the sand.

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<v Speaker 4>When do you say, no, we can't give it to

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<v Speaker 4>that private business, but we can give it to this

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<v Speaker 3>I think it looks awful.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks awful. And you're a small business owner. Was

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<v Speaker 1>there a line forming around the block in the state

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<v Speaker 1>House that said this is where you stand in line

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<v Speaker 1>to put your hand in the cookie jar?

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<v Speaker 3>No, well and listen, Oh go ahead, Sorry, No, just

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's clearly the brown said they're footing the door.

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<v Speaker 1>They had an in road. They're obviously very politically well connected.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got a lot of campaign money to throw around.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to get the money. Everybody else will suck

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just it. And and and frankly, I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's a common thread here.

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<v Speaker 4>We just talked about unemployment in small businesses being concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>You know who's not concerned?

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<v Speaker 4>Intel Anderill Right, the state is very happy to help

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<v Speaker 4>those bigger companies. And if you're the Cleveland Browns and

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<v Speaker 4>the haslems that they're willing to help you, but there

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<v Speaker 4>are a lot of mom and pop companies out there

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<v Speaker 4>that could certainly use some help.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's all I'm going to say about that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just think, listen, I grew up a Browns fan,

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<v Speaker 4>so obviously I'm patient and I know what heartache is.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just don't give money to a private enterprise

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<v Speaker 4>to build a stadium. And by the way, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>the first time we've seen this movie, Brian. We know

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<v Speaker 4>that the promises that these families and these companies, these

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<v Speaker 4>sports teams make at the front end, they're never fulfilled

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<v Speaker 4>on the back end. Never, they always overestimate and underdeliver.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know we should not be shocked when this

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<v Speaker 1>I think there have been studies. There's no singles a

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<v Speaker 1>that's promised up front, and then after the project is

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<v Speaker 1>built you realize that no, maybe not, but it's too

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<v Speaker 1>late that by that point, Jack Windsor, You're always welcome

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<v Speaker 1>on the fifty five Carsy Morning Show. I appreciate your insights,

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<v Speaker 1>your comments, your thoughts, and enjoy reading what you and

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<v Speaker 1>the other folks at the Ohio Press Network right about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's online.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find it, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I will recommend it the ohiopressnetwork dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to having it back on the program

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<v Speaker 1>real soon. I hope you have a wonderful weekend. My

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<v Speaker 1>friend you tube, Brian, thanks for having me. Take care.

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<v Speaker 3>Hope you stick around fifty five KRC. Did you know

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<v Speaker 3>even the smallest thing