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Speaker 3: My name is Jonathan, and tonight is wonder weisday Baby.
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Speaker 3: and tonight, of course we had to bring back our
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Speaker 4: My good sir, Yeah, Sarah, good to be here. You
Speaker 4: guys have been posting some really really cool, fun, interesting
Speaker 4: esoteric witchery stuff and I just I've been having so
Speaker 4: much fun following you guys along.
Speaker 2: Heir.
Speaker 5: Hell, we appreciate that, man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just trying to get at the core what
Speaker 3: is the underlying tone to all of this stuff? And
Speaker 3: it is making so much more sense. And I gotta say,
Speaker 3: ever since you've come on to this show and you've
Speaker 3: explained the world a little bit differently, things just seem
Speaker 3: to click into place a little bit easier now, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's great. So anyhow, welcome to the to the live show, everybody.
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Speaker 3: And so we appreciate everybody that has been doing so already.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, we've been having some awesome shows
Speaker 3: here lately, dude. And just the other night we had
Speaker 3: Lord Byron on the show and Eric Quedding on the show.
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, I'm talking about like literally wrote books
Speaker 3: on magic.
Speaker 4: It's really fun seeing not only your Guys podcast, but
Speaker 4: all the other podcast is too, that we're all kind
Speaker 4: of connecting and like seeing. You know, I've been on
Speaker 4: podcasts where Robert Grant's been on and like you know,
Speaker 4: The Forbidden Knowledge, you know, Billy Carson, all those guys,
Speaker 4: and it's like we're all kind of starting to spin
Speaker 4: around the same circle. Now, guys, well done.
Speaker 5: Oh for sure, dude. Yeah, it's interesting how that how
Speaker 5: that works out, right, you start looking into something and
Speaker 5: then your tribe kind of just appears.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think it was you know Young
Speaker 4: who said Carl Young Psychologists who said, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: when you do work on yourself consciously, inevitably, like unknown
Speaker 4: allies will begin to appear.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's some magic to that for sure.
Speaker 5: Oh dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something about just making conscious decisions, you know
Speaker 3: that it completely changes your life instead of just accepting
Speaker 3: everything that's right in front of you the way It
Speaker 3: is nothing wrong with that either, but no, like.
Speaker 4: It's taking back the creative force of your life. Rather
Speaker 4: than reality happening to you now, it's happening from you, right,
Speaker 4: And it's yeah, that creative force of intention and action
Speaker 4: and like that continuation, you know, dude.
Speaker 5: And it's so interesting too, like even though you know,
Speaker 5: we've been covering these things and I and I feel
Speaker 5: like I've got a pretty good understanding of what's possible
Speaker 5: as far as transmuting a situation or just you know, uh,
Speaker 5: changing my mindset just enough to go through a situation,
Speaker 5: you know, with it at least the most ease is possible.
Speaker 5: And then still have those days where it's like today sucks,
Speaker 5: you know, like it's just.
Speaker 4: The beauty of the yin and the yang Man's like
Speaker 4: no matter, you will never find the one and only
Speaker 4: answer because guess what, everything has to have its opposite.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I feel like when that happens, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: there's something I needed to learn here obviously because I
Speaker 5: didn't understand that aspect of it. You know, otherwise I
Speaker 5: would have been able to just transmute it and whatever.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big part of the letting go process, right,
Speaker 4: is just accepting that that existence as a paradox.
Speaker 5: Yes it is.
Speaker 4: It is an illusion. It is real, yes, uh dude.
Speaker 3: And you need like you need the down time to
Speaker 3: be able to really fully thrust yourself into the go time.
Speaker 3: You know, like there's been times where whether you know,
Speaker 3: if I'm if I'm on a diet or if you know,
Speaker 3: if I'm really on my on my shit as far
Speaker 3: as staying up with with the shows and guests and
Speaker 3: really trying to hammer out as much information as we
Speaker 3: possibly can and really try and understand as much as
Speaker 3: we can. And I feel like, you know, there's there's
Speaker 3: always going to be peaks and valleys to every single thing,
Speaker 3: Like there's there's there's always going to be the highs
Speaker 3: and the lows, and the level of excitement even it
Speaker 3: it fluctuates, but yeah, man, it's just you know, once
Speaker 3: once you kind of get on this track of trying
Speaker 3: to understand it all, dude, the highs are the high
Speaker 3: it's like higher highs all the time.
Speaker 4: Well, there's like another level to it, right where it's like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, there's so much to know, so I'll
Speaker 4: never really understand it. But at the same time, there's
Speaker 4: so little to know because I'm everything. And it's like
Speaker 4: the difference between like writing the illusion, experiencing the illusion
Speaker 4: versus trying to study the illusion, right, because that's almost folly.
Speaker 4: That's almost because any anything you study, you will will
Speaker 4: you will find an infinite wormhole. Yeah right, So it's like,
Speaker 4: what's the it just have fun.
Speaker 3: You may as well. And I do feel like there's
Speaker 3: some there's some underlying Like every single thing that we've uncovered,
Speaker 3: we've been able to look at it through a specific
Speaker 3: lens in in which it all makes sense if you
Speaker 3: look at it through a certain lens. So for example,
Speaker 3: like you know, we've we've looked at things through a
Speaker 3: pantheistic view, and that applies to just about everything. And
Speaker 3: I don't even know where it doesn't apply, to be
Speaker 3: honest with you, like with if everything is everything and
Speaker 3: and this is how magic works, and this is how
Speaker 3: witchcraft works, this is how religion works. And you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, like absolutely you can apply yourself in
Speaker 3: that sense. And so just the other night, we had
Speaker 3: the magician guy along with Lord Byron on the show
Speaker 3: the other night. And this guy he's like super famous
Speaker 3: within magic. His name is Eric Kuetting and very fascinating individual.
Speaker 3: I think he said he wrote over thirty books on magic,
Speaker 3: which is crazy, right and and very knowledgeable dude. He
Speaker 3: said during one of his if if it wasn't his
Speaker 3: first it was one of his first rituals that he
Speaker 3: had ever done. And he said that he was calling
Speaker 3: upon I don't know, some demon that he was working with.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what his name was, King Pymon. Damn,
Speaker 3: I don't know where that just came from. But he
Speaker 3: was working with this this deity named King Pymon or whatever.
Speaker 3: And so he, you know, he did the whole ritual.
Speaker 3: He did the circle and then you know, the star
Speaker 3: and the lighting the candle and whatever he was doing, right,
Speaker 3: and he said that the demon appeared and and it
Speaker 3: almost like frightened him a little bit because he was like, wow,
Speaker 3: I didn't think that that was gonna work that way
Speaker 3: or whatever. Right, almost frightened him a little bit. And
Speaker 3: the demon asked him what his name was, and he goes,
Speaker 3: my name is yode Vave, and dude, the demon responded
Speaker 3: as if he was God. And I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, this is pantheasm all over the fucking place
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's very interesting. I actually really like that take. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was actually recently doing some energy work with somebody
Speaker 4: activating their sacral chakra and I got a download that
Speaker 4: we were gonna challenge Channel the Tiger spirit animal within them.
Speaker 4: And then like I was like doing all this crazy
Speaker 4: energy work and like reiki work. It was all virtual, right,
Speaker 4: And then I was like lighting these incense and then
Speaker 4: my smoke alarm went off, which it never does, and
Speaker 4: it was like all this and it was it happened
Speaker 4: just at the moment where I said, we're calling upon
Speaker 4: the flame of the tiger. Then my smoke alarm went off,
Speaker 4: and then like the rage of the tiger manifested into
Speaker 4: my roommate, who like came at me with like a rage.
Speaker 4: And I was just like and I just kind of
Speaker 4: witnessed it all and let it all kind of like settle.
Speaker 4: And I was just like whoa, Like that really just
Speaker 4: fucking happened right now.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: That was really cool.
Speaker 5: Wow, channeling that spirit of fire in your smoke detectors, Like, hey, hey,
Speaker 5: what's going on here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, the trip that is that is kind
Speaker 3: of crazy. And what's funny is is is that kind
Speaker 3: of like a like a Chinese astrology kind of situation.
Speaker 3: Is that what y'all were doing?
Speaker 4: No, I mean it, I was just doing a lot
Speaker 4: of the energy work that I do is in like
Speaker 4: kind of like visualizing and reiki work and helping people
Speaker 4: kind of visualize the energy moving through their body. And
Speaker 4: a lot of times when I do that, uh, it
Speaker 4: appears to me as animals that move the energy. Sometimes
Speaker 4: not all the time, I never know like how it
Speaker 4: comes into me. Sometimes I see dragons doing like a
Speaker 4: kundalini kind of a thing. And then this one, it
Speaker 4: was just when I had my eyes closed, very vivid,
Speaker 4: a tiger came in and so I was doing a
Speaker 4: ritual of like, Okay, we're gonna call upon your tiger.
Speaker 4: You know, imagine yourself walking in a forest and the
Speaker 4: tiger comes up to you. You're not afraid of it,
Speaker 4: You're walking side by side with it. We're like doing
Speaker 4: all these kind of like visualization things as I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, moving around the energy and doing reyki and
Speaker 4: lighting incense, and it was all just like exploded.
Speaker 5: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: That energy was just built up into that room at
Speaker 3: that point. Yeah, dude, I believe that has to be
Speaker 3: a real thing, right, Like if we are, you know,
Speaker 3: part of the All, right then, and if the All
Speaker 3: created everything, then that magic or power or energy or
Speaker 3: whatever definitely would have to reside within us. And if
Speaker 3: all we are is essentially like just like I don't know,
Speaker 3: look at us, maybe like we're these magic crystals in
Speaker 3: a sense, and but we have the we have the
Speaker 3: ability to speak, or we have the ability to manifest
Speaker 3: by speaking at that point, and we're just we're just
Speaker 3: like these power or frequency generators. That it's so interesting
Speaker 3: to look at it through that lens because I think
Speaker 3: that if you're doing that, it's almost like you start
Speaker 3: to slow down every time you come to speak it
Speaker 3: because you realize the power of your words in that sense,
Speaker 3: and of your thoughts too, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's you start to realize why like the
Speaker 4: Eastern monks, you know, they take a lot of them
Speaker 4: take vows of silence and it or they're just very quiet.
Speaker 4: And it's not just because they're like I don't want
Speaker 4: to say anything. It's because they know how powerful their
Speaker 4: words are, especially to people coming to them to seek
Speaker 4: spiritual help. Right, so they're like very careful about each
Speaker 4: word that they speak, and they'll really think about it
Speaker 4: before they speak it, and all these kind of things.
Speaker 3: You know, Oh dude, if and we've talked about Pythagoras,
Speaker 3: you used to have like this this number cult right,
Speaker 3: And in order to get into his cult, you had
Speaker 3: to go so in years without saying a word. That
Speaker 3: was just to be initiated. Seven years of not saying anything.
Speaker 5: Wow, there's some power there, man, when you when you
Speaker 5: sit in silence, you know, I think that's when, you
Speaker 5: know a lot of the mystical things start to happen
Speaker 5: when you really quiet everything down. Dude. I mean that's
Speaker 5: why we meditate every episode, you know, because there is
Speaker 5: definitely some significance to being able to channel all that
Speaker 5: is you into one idea or one thought and kind
Speaker 5: of let you know see where that goes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the purpose of the Dark Knight of the Soul, right,
Speaker 4: Like why we all kind of have to like, you know,
Speaker 4: regress kind of like go into a cave, go into
Speaker 4: a cocoon, because you know, we grew up in a
Speaker 4: world where everybody's telling us who we are, which is
Speaker 4: like really influencing who we think we are. So we
Speaker 4: have to kind of like go off by ourselves, off
Speaker 4: into the forest, off into our room, you know, wherever
Speaker 4: it might be, to kind of only listen to myself
Speaker 4: and remember who I am, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's for sure. That's a real thing, man,
Speaker 5: it really is. Yeah, so super.
Speaker 3: Markey said something interesting. H first off said, what up everyone,
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for coming and hanging out with us tonight.
Speaker 3: This is one of the biggest crowds we've we've had
Speaker 3: for the show, So thank you guys.
Speaker 5: Need I needed this tonight. I needed it after a
Speaker 5: day like today. I really needed tonight the wonder wizday.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, same we Uh we went to go eat
Speaker 3: some Chinese buffet earlier and uh, you know, tiger or
Speaker 3: what it put me into the hibernating tiger. Uh kind
Speaker 3: of scent, but uh but yeah, we do. We went home,
Speaker 3: we took like a two and a half hour nap
Speaker 3: and woke up like twenty minutes before the show. I
Speaker 3: was like, holy shit, I'm happy. Like I don't know
Speaker 3: how I just woke up because that was perfect timing.
Speaker 3: I probably could have slept all through the night. But
Speaker 3: but yeah, anyway, Marky said, uh, what is the flame
Speaker 3: of the tiger? Very interested, as I do reiki as well.
Speaker 3: I'm a fire tiger in Chinese astrology.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting, So I mean, uh, you know, I wasn't
Speaker 4: using traditional reiki. I mean, I am a level three,
Speaker 4: you know, master reiki practitioner, I wasn't using I don't
Speaker 4: use traditional reiki man our little you know, chalk chalk today,
Speaker 4: chalk today, chalk today, that kind of stuff. And you know,
Speaker 4: but like I was working with the sacral chakra, right,
Speaker 4: which is the orange chakra, which is I'm assuming why
Speaker 4: the tiger came to me? Right, and uh, I just
Speaker 4: do a lot of you know, kind of how I
Speaker 4: see the world is how inside out right, Like why
Speaker 4: is the tiger orange? Why does it have two eyes?
Speaker 4: Why does it walk this way? Like? And it's all
Speaker 4: the representation of how it manifested into existence, and that's
Speaker 4: what they represent essentially, right, So, like a tiger is
Speaker 4: kind of like a sensual being, which is also sacral
Speaker 4: chakra sensuality. They are very creative, they're loners all these
Speaker 4: kind of things. So the flame of the dragon, I
Speaker 4: guess I don't. I just I was just channeling, bro
Speaker 4: and it just came to me. And when I'm doing that,
Speaker 4: I kind of just let it flow, you know what I.
Speaker 5: Mean, don't resist it, man, Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I was I was just looking up how people are
Speaker 3: able to calculate like there and we've done a show
Speaker 3: on Chinese astrology and stuff like that. But their new
Speaker 3: year starts on a the is it the first full
Speaker 3: moon of the year, because it's based upon the Chinese
Speaker 3: lunar calendar.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's I'm a water dragon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a golden horse. I just just found that
Speaker 3: one out. But so Sean, just out of curiosity. So
Speaker 3: you would be.
Speaker 5: Rabbit, but I don't know, I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: You were born in eighty seven, yes, sir, yes, so
Speaker 3: you would be a rabbit. And I'm trying to figure
Speaker 3: out which if you were fire or metal or something
Speaker 3: like that. But anyway, Oh, so you're a rabbit, you said,
Speaker 3: here we go, So the rabbit of nineteen eighty seven
Speaker 3: would be a fire rabbit.
Speaker 5: Hey, all right, I'll take it. Heh yeah, hell yeah,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, anybody else is interested, we can look that
Speaker 3: up too. That's it's pretty cool looking at it, especially.
Speaker 4: It is man and you you you can pull information
Speaker 4: from all that stuff. Like you know, again, like I've
Speaker 4: always said, like being a mystic, I really believe in,
Speaker 4: you know, taking what resonates and leaving the rest, not
Speaker 4: judging anything, not being like, oh I'm not gonna learn
Speaker 4: anything from this because this is because the rest of
Speaker 4: it's too weird. Like nah, like you know, we we
Speaker 4: we can kind of like pick and choose what resonates
Speaker 4: with us to kind of build our own truths, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, Yeah, it is makes too much sense, you know.
Speaker 5: But for some people that's just crazy. Dude, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: They don't if people don't know that they're God yet,
Speaker 4: that's crazy talk, right, you know that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love saying that too, because it's it's almost like
Speaker 3: some people get a little antsy when you say, what
Speaker 3: do you say we're God?
Speaker 4: Because because we are and we aren't, So I ain't
Speaker 4: mad at him for getting a little triggered by it.
Speaker 4: But you know, we are the imaginer and the imagination
Speaker 4: and to be to make a creation, you have to
Speaker 4: let go of it at the illusion of letting go
Speaker 4: of it, right.
Speaker 3: Which does make sense too, especially with the like the
Speaker 3: double slit experiment, you know, just the fact that just
Speaker 3: by us looking at photons going through a slit would
Speaker 3: cause them to react a little bit differently. I mean,
Speaker 3: does that I don't know, is that something that God
Speaker 3: would be able to do just by looking at something
Speaker 3: would be able to manipulate the outcome.
Speaker 4: I think that that's the infinite nature of the holographic universe, right.
Speaker 4: It's like, so because there's so much infinite free will,
Speaker 4: it's like if we take that all the way full circle,
Speaker 4: it's almost like there is no free will. That's where
Speaker 4: you get back to the N and yang again, that
Speaker 4: there is and there isn't, right, because it's so infinite
Speaker 4: that within everything infinite, it's perfect. Still, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, it's so wild. How I just
Speaker 3: love learning about all this stuff. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: there was this I made this video the other day
Speaker 3: for our TikTok or Instagram and it was about eclectic
Speaker 3: witchcraft and just trying to find it so people would
Speaker 3: understand what it means. I mean, to be honest and
Speaker 3: to be fair, we didn't know what it meant before
Speaker 3: we did that that episode on it. Yeah, because there's
Speaker 3: so many different types of witchcraft. You would never even guess, dude, Like,
Speaker 3: there are so many different types, you know, And so
Speaker 3: we were covering it and we made that video and
Speaker 3: and somebody was like, but why do you got to
Speaker 3: put a name on it? I was like, you don't
Speaker 3: have to I mean, I'm just saying that this is,
Speaker 3: you know, how it is defined, that's all.
Speaker 4: And then I just showed that person where they need
Speaker 4: some healing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's like, look, if you want to
Speaker 3: be like Kevin Gates and say I know there's a
Speaker 3: name for it, but I don't know what to call it,
Speaker 3: that's totally fine too. But it almost reminded me of
Speaker 3: like the term paganism. It kind of bothers me a
Speaker 3: little bit because it's too much of a catch all term,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh yeah, and I think that we've grown
Speaker 4: up kind of in a you know, anglos, let's say,
Speaker 4: Christian kind of you know, background of society. Right, So
Speaker 4: it's like when you hear that, we almost naturally get triggered, like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's like anti Christian or something, or anti good or
Speaker 4: something like that. Right.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying to to all non Jews. We're
Speaker 3: all gentiles, but to be called a gentile, you're like, wait,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to be called something a
Speaker 3: name that you made up for me because I don't
Speaker 3: apply to your your philosophy and your religious thing.
Speaker 5: You know. I mean I think that's why we don't
Speaker 5: even need to be triggered, you know, because you're listening
Speaker 5: to somebody call you something that exists only in their
Speaker 5: worldview and not in yours, and so within your worldview,
Speaker 5: that's kind of irrelevant. Yeah you're going to hell, No,
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I mean, And you know, the more I think the
Speaker 4: more that you awaken, let's say, the more you become enlightened,
Speaker 4: the less opinionated you become. You're just like, okay, cool, yeah,
Speaker 4: you dandy. You are who you are. I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And if you don't love me for who I am,
Speaker 4: that's cool too. You know, I don't have any opinions
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. Yeah. What I do usually is, you know,
Speaker 5: if someone's talking to me about, you know, what they
Speaker 5: believe in, I just tell them they're right, you know,
Speaker 5: like yeah, you're probably oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: That's that's like the real job of the mystic right
Speaker 4: is to become like a window or a mirror, right, like,
Speaker 4: really help them see what they're creating, m because that's
Speaker 4: because it's them too, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's something that we found out too. It's
Speaker 3: like if you go around and tell everybody what you are.
Speaker 3: They're going to come up with a million ways to
Speaker 3: tell you why you're not that and U or why
Speaker 3: you're wrong or or something like that. And I've really
Speaker 3: gotten into the modality of just like, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to preach from the rooftops, you know, all
Speaker 3: of this stuff about like you know what what we
Speaker 3: understand and you know, how we kind of look at
Speaker 3: the world and stuff like that. I'm almost like, I'll,
Speaker 3: you know, if somebody asks, I'll, I'll say it, but
Speaker 3: I'm no longer like trying to convince anybody about it.
Speaker 3: And it's almost like, I imagine that's what the the
Speaker 3: ancient mystics probably did too.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like going around prostlytizing saying you are God,
Speaker 3: you forgot I can't believe you forgot, but you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, I imagine they probably aren't doing that.
Speaker 5: I think that's why they would call it like the initiated,
Speaker 5: because you're not, you know, trying to force somebody to
Speaker 5: believe that you are looking for that now, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, And that's when the information comes because
Speaker 5: now you're open to even looking into something other than
Speaker 5: what you already knew.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think in ancient times, and we might
Speaker 4: have touched on this before, but I feel like in
Speaker 4: ancient times, you know, because they were so much more
Speaker 4: connected to nature, it was pretty obvious to them that
Speaker 4: they could kind of go outside and be like, oh,
Speaker 4: I see the metaphors and everything, right, Like, oh, there's
Speaker 4: one son, but there's like infinite plants, and like they're
Speaker 4: all growing different ways, but they're all reaching for the
Speaker 4: same sun. Like what right, you know, there's kind of
Speaker 4: a metaphor in there, right, that it's like one thing
Speaker 4: expressed in infinite ways and that that kind of stuff,
Speaker 4: And just I think that the mystics of you know,
Speaker 4: when when babies would come into the world, they were like,
Speaker 4: well you made it all right, another another one of us,
Speaker 4: another god incarnate? How cool?
Speaker 5: Right? And that was Yeah. I was gonna ask you
Speaker 5: about that actually because I actually not to cut you off,
Speaker 5: but I saw a video of some guy, you know,
Speaker 5: and it looked like he probably comes from a particular faith,
Speaker 5: but he's like on his way out, you know, and
Speaker 5: he was like before all of these structured religions came
Speaker 5: about and all the different you know, teachings and writings
Speaker 5: and what were people believing in, you know, And then
Speaker 5: I was gonna ask like, what do you think as
Speaker 5: far as that goes, like is it just deeply ingrained
Speaker 5: in us to look at something higher than us? Or
Speaker 5: or do you think like you just said, like, you know,
Speaker 5: we we kind of just understood nature, you know, and
Speaker 5: kind of went yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's both like like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's the paradox at the end of the Yang, and
Speaker 4: but also just thought like, okay, let's take it back
Speaker 4: to like tribalism. You know, it was very much I
Speaker 4: believe that they look around and they understood that they
Speaker 4: were the earth, right that they they understood they looked
Speaker 4: at their skin and the you know, brown skin, brown earth,
Speaker 4: and they could tell that they had two eyes and
Speaker 4: the fox had two eyes, that there is a connection there, right,
Speaker 4: And there was just kind of, you know, just a
Speaker 4: very simple understanding of how everything was was connected. And
Speaker 4: you know, they had medicine men shamans who would have
Speaker 4: visions and go into the unseen realms, and then they
Speaker 4: would express that through song and dance and painting and
Speaker 4: all of those things basically kept on manifesting outward infinitely
Speaker 4: in different versions of things. And but that's basically what's
Speaker 4: still happening now, you know, it's just evolved.
Speaker 5: Indeed, dude.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny too is speaking of you know,
Speaker 3: maybe the elders or the shamans or whatever of that
Speaker 3: of those times and just understanding how they were able
Speaker 3: to make certain certain magical things from regular elements. So
Speaker 3: for example, I just I just saw a video of
Speaker 3: Terrence mckinna and and he was talking about like, you know,
Speaker 3: what's crazy is is that there are there are two
Speaker 3: main compounds within ayahuasca. One comes from bark and one
Speaker 3: comes from something else, and singularly, by themselves, they are unactivated,
Speaker 3: like they they do nothing by themselves. But somehow these
Speaker 3: people knew to combine these two elements and it would
Speaker 3: give you a psychedelic run for your life. It's like,
Speaker 3: there would be no reason to combine these two But
Speaker 3: where did they Where did they come up with the
Speaker 3: idea to do so?
Speaker 5: It wasn't an accident?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I believe that the tribes say that the
Speaker 4: plants told them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, like what the plants you see?
Speaker 4: And it's funny because I work with a lot of
Speaker 4: people and a lot of people have, you know, a
Speaker 4: fear based mentality of spiritual stuff. A lot of people
Speaker 4: are worried of even you know, doing things with nature,
Speaker 4: and like, you know, how do you know that? You
Speaker 4: know when you do mushrooms that the mushrooms aren't lying
Speaker 4: to you, right, like things like that, And I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: they don't even have that concept, right right, well, they
Speaker 4: don't even know what lying is. Only we know what
Speaker 4: that is saying.
Speaker 5: And you know what's funny too about that is when
Speaker 5: someone's lying to you, for the most part, you kind
Speaker 5: of we're good at that. We're good as human beings.
Speaker 5: I think we're really good at kind of catching catching
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff. But when you're getting messages and
Speaker 5: you're getting some type of understanding of something, it just
Speaker 5: feels true, you know.
Speaker 3: So dude, I actually I've really been kind of going
Speaker 3: and spending my own mind a little bit just about
Speaker 3: like aliens and stuff here lately, right, and it almost
Speaker 3: seems like forget the idea of aliens and maybe let's
Speaker 3: just look at it like it's just consciousness. Yes, And
Speaker 3: because the crazy thing is is that I've had some
Speaker 3: crazy experiences on DMT and mushrooms and four eco DMT
Speaker 3: and like all these wild things that seem very alien,
Speaker 3: and it seems like I'm having conversations with something outside
Speaker 3: of me that is of a higher realm. Let's just
Speaker 3: say that. And some people might say, well, that was angels,
Speaker 3: or that was aliens, or that was you know, what
Speaker 3: have you. Maybe it was your ancestors or something like that.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, I don't know. Maybe it's possible that
Speaker 3: aliens could be coming from another planet. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: say it's impossible, but I think that it's more than
Speaker 3: likely that these things are almost just existing interdimensionally. They're
Speaker 3: existing within the ether. It's just fucking consciousness and information
Speaker 3: that is out there. It's unseen to our human naked eye. Like,
Speaker 3: what is your concept an understanding of aliens in general?
Speaker 4: I love everything that you just said. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 4: why it is a projection of consciousness. And that's why
Speaker 4: the videos are always grainy. They seem to be just
Speaker 4: out of reach, right, that's not a coincidence. It's because
Speaker 4: it is a projection of consciousness how we're perceiving them.
Speaker 4: And I also like to think of the Earth as
Speaker 4: like you know, a body and a mind, right, and
Speaker 4: that like we are, we are part of that. So
Speaker 4: you know, these higher beings, let's say, they're almost like
Speaker 4: the the higher understanding of the mind that maybe hasn't
Speaker 4: really become conscious yet, and so it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a foreign idea to our mind. So when that
Speaker 4: is created in a physical reality, our mind will create
Speaker 4: that feeling in the physical form to make it look strange,
Speaker 4: look foreign. It's above us, it's just out of reach.
Speaker 4: It's all kind of like a reflection of like new downloads,
Speaker 4: new ideas, kind of coming into being. It's one way
Speaker 4: of looking at it. But I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: that generally speaking, people have been seeing alien since the
Speaker 4: beginning of time. Maybe not immateial, but definitely in meditation. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like meditation, prayer, visions, this kind of stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: and that you know, they aren't coming down to us,
Speaker 4: We are raising up to them, which is why they're
Speaker 4: becoming more and more material.
Speaker 3: Makes sense. Yeah, And we've talked about that with like
Speaker 3: red shifting and blue shifting, which is essentially raising your
Speaker 3: vibration or they them lowering their vibration and meeting you
Speaker 3: in the middle kind of in that sense, dude. But
Speaker 3: what's weird is is that you know, we've gone outside
Speaker 3: and we've seen like wild orbs, bro like things that
Speaker 3: are not camera flair as I'm talking about, Like we
Speaker 3: were able to see these things with our eyes, and uh,
Speaker 3: we don't know exactly what the hell we're looking at.
Speaker 3: It almost just looks like these iridescent bubbles like Glenda
Speaker 3: the the fucking Goodwitch or whatever her name was. It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what they are.
Speaker 5: But what do you think that is?
Speaker 3: Like have you seen one of these orbs?
Speaker 4: Like you go, I see them all the time. You know,
Speaker 4: my friend Sean Life Pat thirty three, my other buddy Sean,
Speaker 4: you know, he's an et soul and anytime we go out,
Speaker 4: you know, do psychedelic trips or just you know, camping
Speaker 4: trips or even just out in the middle of Hollywood,
Speaker 4: he can like point them out and call them in
Speaker 4: and they come closer and closer. And I think that
Speaker 4: you know that this is in a way kind of
Speaker 4: like a simulation, kind of like a holographic simulation, so
Speaker 4: that you know, they render differently as you approach. Right,
Speaker 4: So like if you look at the planets, let's say
Speaker 4: through like a camera at planet Earth, like it'll they'll
Speaker 4: appear as like orbs of light with like different frequencies.
Speaker 4: But then perhaps if we send a satellite out there,
Speaker 4: as that satellite gets closer and closer, it renders as
Speaker 4: a physical planet. I think that there's a bit of
Speaker 4: a video game kind of a thing going on with
Speaker 4: this as well. You know, not to say that it
Speaker 4: all still is. God, it all still is, And it's
Speaker 4: a very fun simulation illusion that we're being immersed in.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm just trying to figure it all
Speaker 3: out my damn self. And it does seem like, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're in that calm or high vibing or meditative
Speaker 3: state and you go outside, like, dude, if you go
Speaker 3: outside as soon as you're done meditating and look up
Speaker 3: at the night sky, you're almost guaranteed to see one.
Speaker 3: Oh and what's that about?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Is it because you're you're lifting You lifted yourself up
Speaker 3: vibrationally that allowed these things to be able to become
Speaker 3: a little bit more visible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think that they they don't communicate with
Speaker 4: like verbal language the way that we do. So it's
Speaker 4: almost like as we elevate our consciousness. We're getting to
Speaker 4: a place where we can communicate. And even if it
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like you're communicating, you know, it's again it's
Speaker 4: beyond spoken language, so you are communicating. It might not
Speaker 4: even be conscious. It might slowly come up later from
Speaker 4: the subconscious.
Speaker 5: Yes, dude, just think about you know, how you how
Speaker 5: you feel when you see something like that, Like it
Speaker 5: still amazes me to see anything like that. Like I
Speaker 5: used to look for these things all the time, like
Speaker 5: way before we started doing the podcast, and it was
Speaker 5: more along the lines like, of course there's aliens, you know,
Speaker 5: like in my mind, of course there's aliens. Of course
Speaker 5: there's but I think I was thinking more of like
Speaker 5: the nuts and bolts aspect of it, right, you know,
Speaker 5: and that they're coming here, and you know. And then
Speaker 5: and I never saw anything anything of interest, any orbs,
Speaker 5: anything like that. And then we start kind of diving into,
Speaker 5: you know, what we've been looking into, and all of
Speaker 5: a sudden things start to happen, you know, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 5: this isn't what I thought it was at all. And
Speaker 5: the feeling that you get when you see something like that,
Speaker 5: where something just gets super bright out of nowhere and
Speaker 5: then just dims out, or or you see a flash
Speaker 5: of light and it's like, what was that? You know
Speaker 5: what I mean? That was definitely not a satellite. It
Speaker 5: wasn't a star or some some you know, uh, I
Speaker 5: don't know, just a random light in the sky. It
Speaker 5: was like a like a intentional Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think that I think that the timing of
Speaker 4: all this is really perfect. And the way that they
Speaker 4: are let's say, kind of exposing themselves to us is
Speaker 4: really perfect because you know, what I'm really passionate about
Speaker 4: is that now that we know you know that obviously
Speaker 4: that's aliens, interventional higher consciousness beings are real, they visit us.
Speaker 4: There's advanced technology. Now we know that this is real.
Speaker 4: You know, we we're all starting to comprehend that we've
Speaker 4: kind of had this lost century of like physical technology advancement.
Speaker 4: It's all been kind of a digitized advancement, you know,
Speaker 4: and that these you know, the powers that be, private corporations,
Speaker 4: you know, dark forces, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 4: that they got these advanced technologies that could really change
Speaker 4: the world. That you know, free energy, like you know,
Speaker 4: airplanes would be obsolete, you know, ending world hunger like
Speaker 4: every and this is being held back from us, and
Speaker 4: I think that you know, them making themselves more and
Speaker 4: more prevalent, is bringing these type of conversations to the forefront,
Speaker 4: which is we need, we need to bring the power back.
Speaker 3: With that dude, it's almost like it just reminds me
Speaker 3: of that stick song. And I'm a huge Steelers fan,
Speaker 3: so it's our fight song. But it's like, uh, the
Speaker 3: jig is up. No, the jig is up, the news
Speaker 3: is out. They finally found me. It almost just reminds
Speaker 3: me of something like that's what's going on with the
Speaker 3: alien kind of stuff, because you were saying it is
Speaker 3: very peculiar timing that it's happening way more now than
Speaker 3: than in the in our lives, the you know, the
Speaker 3: all the past of our lives.
Speaker 4: Definitely, Man, as you awaken, the world awakens. It's not
Speaker 4: a surprise, right, It's like as you like, you know,
Speaker 4: we grew up watching ancient Aliens and knowing nine to
Speaker 4: eleven was an inside job and all that kind of
Speaker 4: crazy conspiracy stuff. But then you have a spiritual awakening
Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, it's all connected, holy shit.
Speaker 5: And it's so much more than that. It's so much
Speaker 5: more than that.
Speaker 4: But it yeah, and then you're like okay, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: now what now what can I do? But it does
Speaker 4: seem like to awaken and as you all these ideas
Speaker 4: start to forming, it's manifesting in reality.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 3: You know what though, And we're gonna be having a
Speaker 3: guy on that's gonna he's gonna be coming on in
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks and he along with a bunch
Speaker 3: of people in his crew, they go out to the
Speaker 3: deserts and you know, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and they
Speaker 3: do like the CE five kind of stuff from Steven Greer, right,
Speaker 3: but they are like gung ho for sure that the
Speaker 3: orbs that you're seeing up in the sky are the
Speaker 3: tall whites.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Then you get you talk to our boor electro Nick, well,
Speaker 3: they're for sure Pleaadians. And you talk to some other
Speaker 3: people there for sure demonic and you talk to some
Speaker 3: other people there for sure angels, right, or put whatever
Speaker 3: flair you want on it. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: what to do with it or what to call them.
Speaker 3: Does it even matter what we call them or where
Speaker 3: they come from.
Speaker 4: Or it matters how you feel about it and the
Speaker 4: energy that you're sending to it, because that's the timeline
Speaker 4: that you're going to enter. All possibilities exist. I know,
Speaker 4: it's crazy. They all exist. You get to choose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is kind of crazy. It feels like that too, though,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like it almost showing.
Speaker 4: You the infinite possibilities. Do you want it to be
Speaker 4: an angel? Do you want it to be a demon?
Speaker 4: Do you want it to be a cool alien you're
Speaker 4: gonna be friends with? Are you so you have so
Speaker 4: much power in your fear that you want it to
Speaker 4: be a reptilian? Like you know, it's whatever you want?
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm dum.
Speaker 3: It does feel like that, like I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 3: ever since I did the whole DMT thing, Like I'm
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the world in an entirely different way,
Speaker 3: you know, And it almost feels like very I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna be like one of those people that like, I
Speaker 3: don't know if it's like the Truman Show kind of thing,
Speaker 3: but it almost feels like it's for me in a sense,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I'm not saying that it's
Speaker 3: for me and for nobody else, but I feel like
Speaker 3: it's for each and every individual, the observer.
Speaker 4: And project the projector and recorder of your universe. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you are the center because everything is.
Speaker 3: Well at that point, it almost becomes like you know
Speaker 3: what Bisharre amongst any other people have talked about, like
Speaker 3: with the many worlds interpretation. Yes, it's like are you
Speaker 3: shifting realities? You know, multiple times a second or you know,
Speaker 3: multiple times a minute, dependent upon the energy that you're
Speaker 3: putting off, And the energy that you're putting off is
Speaker 3: almost a reflection of it's the environment reflecting it all
Speaker 3: the way back to you every single time. You know, Like,
Speaker 3: are you somebody that prescribes to that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that is a useful way of looking
Speaker 4: at it. Again, our cuny human minds are trying to
Speaker 4: comprehend what is actually not really you know, really meant
Speaker 4: to be comprehendible. But I think that is a useful
Speaker 4: way to look at it. And I think that that
Speaker 4: there are with you know that there are infinite timelines
Speaker 4: and within infinite within every infinite timeline, everything is perfectly
Speaker 4: set up.
Speaker 5: And this is why shifting your attention on something or
Speaker 5: or shifting into a different energy of something, trying to
Speaker 5: embody a different energy. That's why that works, because it's
Speaker 5: already set up as long as you pay that attention
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that we're like we're the mind experiencing
Speaker 4: the body, like we're the awareness experiencing material matter. Right
Speaker 4: almost you can look at like, you know, like outer
Speaker 4: space is the mind and earth is the body, or
Speaker 4: you know, the awareness is the mind, but the actual
Speaker 4: the phone, the body, the earth, the trees is the body,
Speaker 4: you know, and so mind over body, right, it's literally
Speaker 4: over your body and it's all being projected from there.
Speaker 3: It really does seem like that, dude, Like the more
Speaker 3: we talk about these different things and start to look
Speaker 3: at him from all the different angles and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: it's like, dude, I think we accidentally created a mystery school,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, it really does feel
Speaker 3: like that. And we always say we're not the teachers
Speaker 3: by any means. We're just students that find certain information
Speaker 3: very interesting, you know, and looking at it through all
Speaker 3: the different modalities and all through all the different lenses
Speaker 3: and understanding it through the original lens and then applying
Speaker 3: our own lens to it, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like isn't it.
Speaker 4: So much fun though? To that to now go back
Speaker 4: and look at Da Vinci and look at all these
Speaker 4: different things, and you're like, bro, I think I actually.
Speaker 3: Know what the fuck he was talking, what he was
Speaker 3: doing the Vitruvian man. I mean, that's that's all you
Speaker 3: need to say right there, just as far as like
Speaker 3: what he was able to understand, as far as the
Speaker 3: energy centers and the chakra system and energy all.
Speaker 4: That he thinks. And again it was like he didn't
Speaker 4: just hide it so he wouldn't be persecuted, so that
Speaker 4: when when you're ready, it will present itself. Because how
Speaker 4: many times did we look at that and it didn't
Speaker 4: mean anything to us? Yep, we had to get to
Speaker 4: a certain level to know the secret.
Speaker 5: You know, this has been happening to me a lot,
Speaker 5: going back and listening to older songs. Yeah, just like
Speaker 5: really good songs, Like I liked the song back in
Speaker 5: the day just because it sounded good or whatever. But
Speaker 5: then you listen to the words and you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: that's what they're talking about, that's what they were feeling
Speaker 5: in that moment. They're coming to the understanding of certain things,
Speaker 5: you know, like holy.
Speaker 3: Shit, bro, that's that's that Clint Eastwood song by the Gorillas.
Speaker 3: It gets me every time I listen to I'm like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, they were on one back in the nineties.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Well for me, you know, I grew up listening to
Speaker 4: Wu Tang. So then when I had my spiritual awakening
Speaker 4: and realized I was God, and then like went back
Speaker 4: listened to Wu Tang and like they're always calling each
Speaker 4: other guy, Yo, what up?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 4: Was today's mathematics God?
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, oh shit, oh man, that is
Speaker 3: a big one for me.
Speaker 4: It is cool.
Speaker 3: It is cool. Like it it's almost like once you
Speaker 3: become somewhat initiated, you start to see what most people don't.
Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, it's the same. It's the same world
Speaker 4: of different reality.
Speaker 3: Right m Yeah, it's like it's only just grown a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I want to get back over to the chat.
Speaker 3: Pete said, I'm a monkey, but I don't know the element. Pete,
Speaker 3: if you would give me the the year that were
Speaker 3: that you were born, well, the the date and the year,
Speaker 3: because it's it's not the entire year. It's all dependent
Speaker 3: upon the lunar calendar and stuff like that. So sometimes
Speaker 3: it's in January, sometimes it's in February. It gets a
Speaker 3: little weird. But if you anybody else that is also
Speaker 3: interested in that, I got to pull it up right here.
Speaker 4: The monkey is a super cool animal. Though. You should
Speaker 4: look into the legend of the Monkey King and uh
Speaker 4: like ancient Chinese mysticism and stuff.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun, dude. You know what I
Speaker 5: find very strange too.
Speaker 3: Every single uh zodiac within the Chinese you know, zodiacal
Speaker 3: wheel is all like a real animal. But then there's
Speaker 3: the dragon, and there's the dragon that's me. I know,
Speaker 3: it's I know, I'm a mythical creature, what kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But do you think that?
Speaker 5: But do you think that.
Speaker 4: I think I think they're I think they were real.
Speaker 4: I think they are real. I think we've shifted our
Speaker 4: current frequency to a reality where they're not real, but
Speaker 4: that we could shift back and that you know, physically,
Speaker 4: where are we You know, like we might be getting
Speaker 4: into some more kind of wild stuff about you know,
Speaker 4: globe and flat earth theory and all.
Speaker 5: That kind of fun stuff.
Speaker 4: You know that this is where we're We're we're experiencing
Speaker 4: an electromagnetic frequency that we call Earth and that right,
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like how you resonate will be
Speaker 4: the one.
Speaker 5: That you exactly. Yeah, they're they're absolutely convinced. There's no
Speaker 5: way to take it's both though.
Speaker 4: That's the thing cannot be observed objectively people.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean, and I've I'm not gonna lie, dude.
Speaker 3: There was a period of my life as soon as
Speaker 3: I found flat Earth, I was like, holy shit, how
Speaker 3: does nobody else see this?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: It was like it blew my mind a little bit.
Speaker 3: Then I started looking into a little bit more mysticism
Speaker 3: and energy work and sega geometry and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and You're like, now I kind of come to the
Speaker 3: conclusion of if.
Speaker 4: We are creating our reality, for me, it does seem
Speaker 4: more fun if there's like outer kind of other worlds
Speaker 4: to be found in things I don't know. I think
Speaker 4: that's kind of fun.
Speaker 3: No, I agree, And and so that's what I've come
Speaker 3: I've come to, like, dude, I just I think it's
Speaker 3: a double toroid bro on some real show too.
Speaker 4: That's but again, it can't really be observed objectively. But
Speaker 4: I do feel just as the human being is essentially
Speaker 4: a toroidal field like of energy, you know, and how
Speaker 4: we are shaped and everything that is well.
Speaker 3: And in one there's a so electro. Nick, along with
Speaker 3: a couple other listeners, have mentioned that we should watch
Speaker 3: this TV show called His Dark Materials on HBO, and
Speaker 3: I've been like binge watching that like crazy lately, and
Speaker 3: it's basically getting into because we had the whole demon
Speaker 3: and Damon kind of conversation, like one of the etymological
Speaker 3: roots of the word demon and way different I know,
Speaker 3: how we look at I was.
Speaker 4: So proud of you for putting that out there. Those
Speaker 4: really really good work.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, and so but it was interesting, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, it's like, well that's a lie. That's
Speaker 3: not what they meant. It's like, okay, all de yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: and people started telling the truth two thousand years ago,
Speaker 3: that's what you're saying. So so so we I've been
Speaker 3: watching that show and it is so cool, dude, because
Speaker 3: it applies the many Worlds interpretation in a sense to
Speaker 3: where it's like they have their their group of rulers.
Speaker 3: I can't I can't remember what they're called, but it's
Speaker 3: essentially like their version of the Vatican that is ruling
Speaker 3: the world. And and if you even mention any other
Speaker 3: dimensions or any other worlds, that's heresy. How dare you
Speaker 3: right that we are God's chosen? And they don't call
Speaker 3: them God, they call them the authority. And dude, it's
Speaker 3: such a good show. But these people are jumping from
Speaker 3: dimension to dimension via like these these zippers in reality
Speaker 3: that are that are opening up and you can step
Speaker 3: through and enter another world. And and I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's exactly like that, you know, our reality. Maybe
Speaker 3: maybe it is, but if we're talking about inner dimensional
Speaker 3: shit going on, right that, And and it's it's all
Speaker 3: entirely dependent upon your energy and your frequency that you're
Speaker 3: putting off that allows you to be able to kind
Speaker 3: of experience different shit.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how else to put that, but
Speaker 3: it's like it allows you to experience something different. So therefore,
Speaker 3: like if you wake up on the wrong side of
Speaker 3: the bed, life is going to show you what it
Speaker 3: looks like whenever every moment is like waking up on
Speaker 3: the wrong side of the bed for the rest of
Speaker 3: your day, right yeah. And conversely, if you wake up
Speaker 3: and meditate, well maybe life just kind of shows itself
Speaker 3: in that way too, for the rest of the day.
Speaker 3: And and so whenever we're talking about interdimensional things like
Speaker 3: aliens or consciousnesses or you know, people who have passed
Speaker 3: and that energy is still around because energy can't be
Speaker 3: created or destroyed, only transferred, you know, where are they
Speaker 3: existing at? It almost makes me wonder like is it
Speaker 3: all right here right now? And in just how we
Speaker 3: tune our antenna? Is that what allows us to be
Speaker 3: able to converse with those energies and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: you know, like is it?
Speaker 4: Is it that?
Speaker 3: And also stack dimensions on top of each other like
Speaker 3: what do you think about that?
Speaker 4: It's infinite?
Speaker 2: Baby?
Speaker 4: But I do think that you know, although our linear
Speaker 4: minds like to look at things like you know, this happened,
Speaker 4: then this happened, then this happened. So we even talked
Speaker 4: about let's say like past lives, future lives, it's actually
Speaker 4: it's you know, our mind likes to look at it
Speaker 4: like past some future, but it's it might be more
Speaker 4: beneficial to look at it like parallel mm hmm. And
Speaker 4: that yes, everything is here and now stacked and folded
Speaker 4: on top of each other. There is no moment that
Speaker 4: not that is not here and now wherever you are
Speaker 4: is there and is now and you know, if you
Speaker 4: were to wake up tomorrow in another dimension, you wouldn't
Speaker 4: even know because you know, essentially you'd be downloaded with
Speaker 4: all the information you needed to to go on and
Speaker 4: have your experience. But I'll tell you. I mean, like
Speaker 4: I had a dream the other night that was like
Speaker 4: so vivid and it was me and I was a
Speaker 4: professional baseball player and I was on the All Star
Speaker 4: team and it was at Dodger Stadium, and like I
Speaker 4: went up to bat, it was so vivid and that
Speaker 4: there there was no there was no feeling in me
Speaker 4: that was like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing,
Speaker 4: Like you know, it's like and and then like the
Speaker 4: coach came up to me and was like, Yo, it
Speaker 4: doesn't even matter what you do in today's game because
Speaker 4: you got a sick ass contract come in and like
Speaker 4: you know, So there was a message for me mystically
Speaker 4: that was like, it doesn't matter what you do banks
Speaker 4: you've already made the All Star team spiritually, consciously, doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if you at the home run, you got like
Speaker 4: offers coming, You're all good. But also I just like
Speaker 4: I had the thought that was like yeah, that exists somewhere,
Speaker 4: and that like you know, my first dream as a
Speaker 4: child was becoming a professional baseball player, and that like
Speaker 4: maybe that fucking play it's playing out somewhere and I
Speaker 4: just tapped into it for a message.
Speaker 5: I don't know, mm hmm. Yeah, because in that moment
Speaker 5: when you are stepping up too bad, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, you don't have, like you said, you don't
Speaker 5: have those thoughts of I'm not actually a professional.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: In fact, I had thoughts of like that person, like, oh,
Speaker 4: I practiced for this, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Like like there was getting weird, right, Like, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's just something so magical about dreams, bro that it's
Speaker 3: almost like the dream world is trying to help you
Speaker 3: remember that you're infinite in a sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh absolutely, man. And it's it's like a simulation,
Speaker 4: a safe place to do things before you come here
Speaker 4: and do things. Yeah, the simulation within the simulation.
Speaker 3: So let's see December two, nineteen ninety two, that would
Speaker 3: be the monkey. So let's see here real quick. So
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two would be the You're a water monkey.
Speaker 3: That's pretty much the best. I'm sure one of the best. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that, dude. I and that's just
Speaker 3: as far as being able to look at yourself through
Speaker 3: all the different modalities, whether it is Chinese astrology, tropical astrology,
Speaker 3: sidereal astrology, and looking at it through all and I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that, you know, And we did a show
Speaker 3: the other day. It was on the difference between tropical
Speaker 3: astrology and sidereal astrology, where true sideial astrology is based
Speaker 3: upon the star alignment above your head as it is
Speaker 3: right now and as it was the moment that you
Speaker 3: were born, not necessarily based upon you know, the how
Speaker 3: the sky was in the year one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: BC whenever they created the tropical astrology calendar at that time,
Speaker 3: which is, you know, how how the people were looking
Speaker 3: at it then, right and so and and they're also
Speaker 3: like fixed constellations at perfect thirty degree uh sections in
Speaker 3: the sky, which is incorrect, right like right, But they
Speaker 3: say that they were doing that based upon the seasons,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't necessarily based upon the size of the constellation,
Speaker 3: but it was based upon the seasons. If we're looking
Speaker 3: at the sky as if it's some kind of yearly
Speaker 3: clock in that sense, then every single constellation would represent
Speaker 3: thirty degrees in the sky of the entire zodiacal wheel,
Speaker 3: which is it's not wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they like but they created the sections kind
Speaker 4: of right, so it's kind of like what you like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not wrong, and I will say that, like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's astrology, like the main it's like your main planets
Speaker 4: and stuff like that is a very dumb down version
Speaker 4: of what it actually is when you get very deep
Speaker 4: into it, which is why on the surface a lot
Speaker 4: of times you're like, I don't really resonate with that.
Speaker 4: But then if you get with a real astrologer, no
Speaker 4: matter what kind of astrology it is, when they start
Speaker 4: going deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into all that,
Speaker 4: it very much lines up.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, it is crazy how spot on it is.
Speaker 3: It's like, so we don't have free will. You're saying
Speaker 3: that this is fate. Is that what you're trying to say?
Speaker 3: Because how did you know that I would come out
Speaker 3: to be this kind of individual?
Speaker 4: You know, Like, yeah, I think it's as simple as like,
Speaker 4: you know, when you're creating a video game and you
Speaker 4: create a character and you're like, I want my character
Speaker 4: to be a wizard who does you know, flight attacks
Speaker 4: and has a you know, a rabbit and can do spells,
Speaker 4: and you know, it's like you're kind of like choosing
Speaker 4: its attributes. But then you get to go play the game. Yeah,
Speaker 4: however you want. It does create the game. You could
Speaker 4: you did create the game and the character in the game.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm happy with the way that we chose these
Speaker 3: avatars though, because to be podcasters talking about spiritual magical
Speaker 3: stuff is pretty damn awesome, I would say. And also you,
Speaker 3: I just want to say, Bro, I need to give
Speaker 3: you a huge shout out, because I find myself you know,
Speaker 3: I always try and catch myself if I'm ever having
Speaker 3: like a really bad day, and I always try and
Speaker 3: flip the script as soon as I possibly can, because
Speaker 3: I know that it's only going to multiply, you know,
Speaker 3: throughout the rest of the day if you just stay
Speaker 3: within that energy. And one of the one of the
Speaker 3: hacks that I have built for myself to get myself
Speaker 3: out of those kind of funks is by going and
Speaker 3: listening to your playlist on Spotify, and my favorite song
Speaker 3: to go to it is just such a bop, bro,
Speaker 3: But that three three three song gets me every single time,
Speaker 3: like it is so so I just want to say
Speaker 3: your music is awesome. You don't get enough credit, and
Speaker 3: I listen to it every day.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I appreciate it. Yeah. I have three albums
Speaker 4: out for your listening pleasure everybody. But I'm also I
Speaker 4: just started a new hip hop duo with my brother
Speaker 4: called Mystic Minds. We haven't released anything yet, just a
Speaker 4: couple teasers on Instagram. We did like a remix of
Speaker 4: like an Ozzy Osbourne song, Mister Crawley, and like, we
Speaker 4: released that just one piece of content, got a bunch
Speaker 4: of views real quick. So we're just kind of teasing
Speaker 4: with some stuff. But we're we're about ten songs deep
Speaker 4: into it, like a twenty song album right now. So
Speaker 4: and like our whole thing that we're trying to build
Speaker 4: is like the music is going to be for free,
Speaker 4: like totally for free, and then you know how you
Speaker 4: support us is we want to create like a community,
Speaker 4: a culture where maybe like a comic book goes with
Speaker 4: the album, right you buy the comic book, or you know,
Speaker 4: we want to create something maybe like in a virtual world,
Speaker 4: something like I don't know, something where like people want
Speaker 4: to be involved in the virtual aspect of it, but
Speaker 4: it forces them into the physical world. You know, maybe
Speaker 4: some type of like treasure stuff, I'm not exactly sure,
Speaker 4: but where we're trying to figure out something to take
Speaker 4: our power back really as underground artists because the industry,
Speaker 4: uh they it's basically the labels have made themselves obsolete
Speaker 4: and we are taking the power back.
Speaker 5: I love it, dude, I love it. To give you
Speaker 5: a shout out. I'm really digging the shadow boxing on
Speaker 5: Everything is Everything? Why you got a name?
Speaker 4: We were just talking about that. As soon as you
Speaker 4: name me, unigate me right.
Speaker 3: And you know what's funny too, just applying that concept
Speaker 3: I love kind of just stirring the pot a little bit.
Speaker 3: Especially on my other podcast, the Cult of Conspiracy. My
Speaker 3: co host over there, he's like, he's a Christian. None
Speaker 3: wrong with that, I mean we just have different suff opinion.
Speaker 5: That's fine.
Speaker 3: And so we get into like what is God and
Speaker 3: what isn't God and stuff like that, Well, well God's everything.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh that's interesting, So God, So that means
Speaker 3: I'm gone, and well no, come on, like come on,
Speaker 3: you know, and and I'm like, well, I think by
Speaker 3: you saying what God isn't, you're only putting limitations on
Speaker 3: what God is right, So it's almost like the dow
Speaker 3: that can be named is not the right dow right
Speaker 3: within Daoism. And so by you saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: you're not God and I'm not God, and your kids
Speaker 3: aren't God, and in your computer or whatever isn't God,
Speaker 3: and the sky isn't God, it's like, all right, we'll
Speaker 3: keep on applying more limitations to him.
Speaker 4: Then at that point, yeah, well, like you know the
Speaker 4: line in the Bible, I am that I am right? Uh,
Speaker 4: I take that as meaning I am that that that
Speaker 4: I am that. Yeah, that's how I take it, not
Speaker 4: just that I am No, I'm that I'm that, I'm
Speaker 4: that I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the y age vh sure, the Yoda
Speaker 3: vave I am that I am. At that point, it's like, yes,
Speaker 3: it's just a it's an entire perspective change, you know.
Speaker 3: And man, it makes this place feel a lot more
Speaker 3: like home whenever you just like look around and oh,
Speaker 3: you're not separate from me. That thing's not separate from me,
Speaker 3: This place isn't separate from me. This isn't even my
Speaker 3: first time being here kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know the way I like to explain
Speaker 4: it to people, and it's just that, you know, the
Speaker 4: physical world is everything here emerges from the non physical,
Speaker 4: from the womb, from a field of infinite potential. So
Speaker 4: we all do come from the same source. There is
Speaker 4: no separation. It can seem random and chaotic, but it's
Speaker 4: only because it's unpredictable. But that's because it's infinite. It's
Speaker 4: the ultimate act of love.
Speaker 3: But even within that, the infinite possibilities, you see like
Speaker 3: innumerable amount of synchronicities.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it has to be. It's like it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: my eyes and my hands and my nose are like,
Speaker 4: you know, different parts of me, but really they're just
Speaker 4: different ways of experiencing the same one thing, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just different aspects. That's funny too, because I
Speaker 3: was looking down at like my belly earlier, just for
Speaker 3: some reason, and I just had this strange thought of like,
Speaker 3: my belly is also me.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that at that point, you know,
Speaker 3: just getting real weird, and I'm like, this reminds.
Speaker 4: Me of something. I forgot what it was from. My
Speaker 4: friend was just telling me about this is from some
Speaker 4: old movie or something, but it's something by the guy
Speaker 4: was like, oh, like they I cut my body off
Speaker 4: or it was a joke about cutting his body off,
Speaker 4: but really it was like he cut his penis off
Speaker 4: or something. And it just made me think about like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: like where do I begin? And like my where does
Speaker 4: my penis end? And I begin? Like where is the
Speaker 4: and that is for everything?
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry that's too graphic if y'all, but no, no,
Speaker 4: my penis.
Speaker 3: But no, it's interesting to even bring that up because
Speaker 3: I saw that there was a comment on we We
Speaker 3: reposted an old show a couple of weeks ago with
Speaker 3: a conversation we had with this guy who was an
Speaker 3: understudied a Manly P.
Speaker 5: Hall.
Speaker 3: His name is Ronnie Pontiac. Fascinating individual. If you ever
Speaker 3: get the chance to talk to him, I could hook
Speaker 3: you up have him come on your show. He is
Speaker 3: dude literally studied under Manley Hall. Like crazy right and
Speaker 3: and really good conversation. But we reposted that and we
Speaker 3: put it up on YouTube and everything, and somebody was like, oh,
Speaker 3: he was just into basically fallis magic. Just look at him.
Speaker 3: It's Manly p Hall Manly Fallis And I was like,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's an interesting conclusion. That you just drew
Speaker 3: maybe he was onto something. But and not to say
Speaker 3: that there isn't magic that you can kind of manifest
Speaker 3: by masturbation and all that, because that's a real thing too,
Speaker 3: you know. But it's it's it's always fascinating to me
Speaker 3: whenever people look at like esoteric teachers and esoteric masters
Speaker 3: and just assume always that they're working with the dark side.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, always, every time.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But my whole thing is this is that if you
Speaker 4: haven't worked with the darkness, then you ain't working with
Speaker 4: the light.
Speaker 5: Right, yep, what the fuck are you doing? If you
Speaker 5: know the shadows right exactly?
Speaker 4: You ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
Speaker 3: Oh dude, Jesus had conversations with Satan.
Speaker 4: Bro It's like, I am the darkness.
Speaker 3: Oh and that's even what God says. There was oh man,
Speaker 3: you know what, let me pull up that quote too,
Speaker 3: because there was a quote in the Bible that really
Speaker 3: got me a little bit just trying to define like
Speaker 3: what God is or whatever, right, and just there was
Speaker 3: this quote.
Speaker 5: Let me see if I can find it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. It was in Isaiah chapter forty five, verse seven,
Speaker 3: and it was God speaking and it said, I formed
Speaker 3: the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil.
Speaker 3: I the Lord do all these things. It's like boom
Speaker 3: right there, like like to get the idea of you know,
Speaker 3: the good guy and the bad guy they're the same
Speaker 3: fucking character.
Speaker 4: Well, and so like, look, this is how I explain
Speaker 4: it to people. It's like and it's it can be
Speaker 4: hard for our minds to grasp this. But let's say
Speaker 4: source is not light or dark. It's actually formless. It
Speaker 4: has no edges, no no shape, no taste, no sound.
Speaker 4: It's it's pure everything and nothing, and it's and it's
Speaker 4: so it's got no form to it. So it created
Speaker 4: the illusion of duality. Light and dark opposites because only
Speaker 4: through duality can we make form, can we experience something.
Speaker 4: And then that act of light and dark, when it
Speaker 4: manifests in infinite ways, infinite free will is the highest
Speaker 4: act of love. Yes, you're gonna get some suffering, you're
Speaker 4: gonna get some weird stuff, you're gonna get some bad people,
Speaker 4: some bad things, But it's really just a distortion of
Speaker 4: the truth.
Speaker 5: Dude, And that Superman got Kryptonite, you know.
Speaker 3: Had to, had to, or else nobody was gonna watch
Speaker 3: him anymore.
Speaker 5: They had to inventvent that just so that people would
Speaker 5: be interested in him maybe losing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they had to get like there had to
Speaker 3: be a reason to make him more, you know, because
Speaker 3: if you're watching a show and he just wins every time,
Speaker 3: like that's not going to be very entertaining, you know.
Speaker 4: Well, and again, it's like even if there if there's
Speaker 4: any for anything to take form, there must be resistance,
Speaker 4: Like literally anything for anything to take form, there must
Speaker 4: be resistance. And that you could look at it like
Speaker 4: Yin and Yang and evil and good and that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. It's just it's just fucking the thing that
Speaker 4: keeps us pushing and pulling it. Do it?
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 3: I want to get back over the chat here for
Speaker 3: a second? Supermarket, he said, I've recently been thinking about
Speaker 3: the simulation and how it seems like a soul contract
Speaker 3: is nothing more than attributes that you assigned to your
Speaker 3: character at the beginning of an RPG. Yes, have you
Speaker 3: ever played Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven.
Speaker 5: I haven't played that.
Speaker 4: I haven't played that, but but I think that that's
Speaker 4: a very interesting theory and if that sparks something in
Speaker 4: you and you should follow it.
Speaker 5: Dude, those attributes in which you you've chosen, but then
Speaker 5: you also make that choice to maintain.
Speaker 4: Exactly you can kind of decide later on, maybe I
Speaker 4: don't want to have as many magical powers, may don't
Speaker 4: want to work on a strength a little bit more, right, That's.
Speaker 3: It, Bridd said. It's crazy how that works. That thank you,
Speaker 3: that that most people start out of the conspiracy realm
Speaker 3: and then it doesn't take long to get into the
Speaker 3: more spiritual stuff. You just start seeing the lies everywhere.
Speaker 3: And dude, I always say this that like, if it
Speaker 3: wasn't for you know, just me on my own personal journey,
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for the creation of the cult of conspiracy,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have ever gotten here.
Speaker 3: But I had to see how many cracks in the
Speaker 3: illusion there actually were in order to understand that there
Speaker 3: is something that is underlying that is definitive, and in
Speaker 3: order to understand like our connection to it in the
Speaker 3: sense right, So, like all right, government lies to us.
Speaker 3: I've I've like, if I ever find a time where
Speaker 3: the government isn't lying to us, I'll be a lot
Speaker 3: more shocked, you know what I'm saying. Like I've got
Speaker 3: I've just gotten to that point in my life where
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, they said that it was gonna happen,
Speaker 3: and then it did.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 3: That's color me shocked in that sense. Right, And and
Speaker 3: not even just with government stuff, but just conspiracy all
Speaker 3: the way around, whatever the case may be. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: a religious lies or political lies, or you know, the
Speaker 3: big pharmaceutical lies or whatever. Right, Like, it's all across
Speaker 3: the board that you find that not all of these
Speaker 3: things and people and organizations and stuff have your best interests.
Speaker 3: And every single time you remind yourself of that, you're
Speaker 3: almost pushing yourself down your own path because if that's
Speaker 3: not true, and if that's not real, now you're finding
Speaker 3: yourself creating your own path in your own sense, trying
Speaker 3: to be your own light because you realize that all
Speaker 3: these other big corporate lights are only guiding you right
Speaker 3: into their pocketbook.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, perhaps I think about like this, Maybe it's as
Speaker 4: lighthearted as it's. The conspiracies are a reflection of the
Speaker 4: conspiracy of existence of yeah, the mystery, the conspiracy of
Speaker 4: you know, believing that you're not divine, only to figure
Speaker 4: out that you are. Perhaps that that you know grand
Speaker 4: conspiracy that makes everything go around simply reflects in our
Speaker 4: in our existence.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, it's magical. It's magical in that way. And
Speaker 3: and also like it'll get you to look at like
Speaker 3: secret societies and mystery calls and all that stuff and
Speaker 3: a completely different and a completely different lens too, because
Speaker 3: even even like the Freemasons, they all they're like, see
Speaker 3: I saw the checkerboard floors. It's it's they're playing with magic.
Speaker 3: And it's like, dude, they actually know some shit and
Speaker 3: you're looking at it like it's just evil. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's so much more to it than that.
Speaker 4: And at the same time, like they were just some homies.
Speaker 4: They wanted to get together and blaze and have a
Speaker 4: drink and talk about some crazy conspiracy shit like I
Speaker 4: do with my homies.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 4: The next thing you know, you got thirty people in
Speaker 4: a room with you and you're like, oh shit, I
Speaker 4: guess we got to make some ropes.
Speaker 5: We got a club. Now you gotta dress up.
Speaker 3: Before you know it, you're doing simulated death rituals. But
Speaker 3: that escalated quickly.
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks. Everybody thinks they're illuminated, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 4: we figured out something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're just laying figured it out for yourself anyway,
Speaker 5: you know, dude, just laying in a coffin.
Speaker 3: It's just like I've died and the new me is
Speaker 3: going to be the one that walks up out of
Speaker 3: this casket.
Speaker 5: And if you really feel that once you do it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, dude, is that not what baptism is? I always
Speaker 3: try and tell people this, right, Is that not the
Speaker 3: idea behind baptism that you die only to be reborn
Speaker 3: into this life like h sinless and pure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, and also like a cleansing ritual.
Speaker 4: But yeah, obviously it's like amniotic fluid. It's you know,
Speaker 4: emerging from the non material all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it just reminds me of like to like,
Speaker 3: even within the Bible, it talks about the womb, but
Speaker 3: it doesn't call it the womb.
Speaker 5: It says it's the called the matrix.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that is right. I mean, a matrix is
Speaker 4: a system. And you know, Alan Watts talks about this
Speaker 4: that a system cannot be a system unless it let's
Speaker 4: go of itself, right, So it's like yeah, and that
Speaker 4: so any for anything to be something, it must be
Speaker 4: in sight of something and that's the womb.
Speaker 5: It is the womb, it's the matrix.
Speaker 3: There was somebody that was talking about, like, imagine there
Speaker 3: were twins in this one, you know, in this one womb,
Speaker 3: and the one comes up with this crazy idea of
Speaker 3: like can you just imagine what the outside world is?
Speaker 3: And I can, you know, I can imagine there's planes
Speaker 3: and trains and there's all these different kind of crazy things,
Speaker 3: and the other, the other little twin inside the womb,
Speaker 3: is just like, come on, man, you gotta wake up
Speaker 3: to reality. This is all that there is. Look around,
Speaker 3: like we're just swimming around that there is nothing more
Speaker 3: outside of this. And the other guy's like, I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: I know that there has to be I had.
Speaker 4: This beyond the womb.
Speaker 3: There has to be yeah. Yeah, And I was like, man,
Speaker 3: that is a perfect allegory for this life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally absolutely, yeah man, And like you know, for
Speaker 4: for a lot of the feminines out there, and like
Speaker 4: you know, we we manifest as physical genders, but it's
Speaker 4: just energy, right, It's the feminine energy, masculine energy receiving, giving, right,
Speaker 4: and just that like the feminine energy, you know, the
Speaker 4: way the reason why you go through the menstrual cycles,
Speaker 4: the pain of childbirth, all this kind of stuff is
Speaker 4: because you are the power that can transmute negative energy.
Speaker 4: Men do not have that same power. We can still
Speaker 4: do it, but you know, we don't have that those
Speaker 4: same attributes that we created when we came here, right,
Speaker 4: And so I just want all the women and the
Speaker 4: feminine out there to know and even the masculine that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, we this is what we're here to do.
Speaker 4: We're here to transmute this shit, you know, through art,
Speaker 4: through poetry, through you know, creating things. We take the
Speaker 4: negative and we unravel it and make it positive for
Speaker 4: the collective.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, you can make a pile of shit
Speaker 3: from Plato, or you can also build a castle with it,
Speaker 3: you know. So, uh, Supermarket said everything everywhere all at once. Yeah,
Speaker 3: also said we're the kid on the edge of the
Speaker 3: bed in his room playing.
Speaker 5: The video game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. Nice.
Speaker 3: Mama Slaney said, Uh, I think I'm a rooster. July sixth,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three. So yeah, let's look at that real quick.
Speaker 3: I'm just always fascinated by all these different lenses that
Speaker 3: you can that you know, you can find yourself, and
Speaker 3: they all kind of speak to the to the same
Speaker 3: So rooster, was it? Let's see rooster, you said, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety six.
Speaker 5: No, it's not a rooster, was it?
Speaker 3: Ninety three?
Speaker 5: Is that what it's? Ninety three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, ninety three. I'm tripping. I think I'm getting
Speaker 3: the numbers mixed up there. Nineteen ninety three. You would
Speaker 3: be a water rooster.
Speaker 4: All right, A lot of water up in here, a
Speaker 4: lot of water, like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Pete said, December second, nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 5: Did I already read that one?
Speaker 3: That was a water well?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And and like you know what, you guys will start
Speaker 4: noticing if you want to do more research into the
Speaker 4: let's say, like primordial understandings of things, then all of
Speaker 4: the zodiac will makes sense to you, all of the
Speaker 4: animal stuff, all of the because you know, I'm talking
Speaker 4: about learning the basics of what numbers mean, what colors mean,
Speaker 4: what shapes mean, you know, a masculine of feminine energy
Speaker 4: duality that's like very simple kind of things like that.
Speaker 4: Then you're gonna see that, like these animals of the
Speaker 4: zodiac are literally manifesting from these divine ideas of like
Speaker 4: numbers and shapes and colors, and they literally represent.
Speaker 3: That, Oh dude, And just as far as like shapes go,
Speaker 3: this is something that I've been listening to other shows
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. One of my favorite podcasts of
Speaker 3: all times called Crow Triple seven. He gets into a
Speaker 3: lot of like sacred geometry and stuff like that too sometimes,
Speaker 3: and was just talking about like the very first manifestation
Speaker 3: of anything was just a single point, right like, and
Speaker 3: then and then from the point came the line, and
Speaker 3: then from the next line or from that line came
Speaker 3: another line. And the only time that there was ever
Speaker 3: able to form anything into any kind of shape, that
Speaker 3: the triangle had to have been the first shape because
Speaker 3: it's the first thing that manifests as a whole thing
Speaker 3: from like three collective individual.
Speaker 4: Units triangles three and three in numerology represents creativity. So
Speaker 4: you're telling me that the first shape that could create
Speaker 4: that could be created. You see how the connections already there.
Speaker 4: So oh, start learning these basic things and everything starts
Speaker 4: making a lot more sense.
Speaker 3: It is the Father, is the son and the holy ghost,
Speaker 3: or it's the mind body actually.
Speaker 4: So when a man and a woman get together, they
Speaker 4: create a child, right.
Speaker 3: Well, and also if you look at just like certain
Speaker 3: initiatory rights, especially even within magic and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Like we read this book, I all, we always love
Speaker 3: to reference it, but it's called The Magic in by
Speaker 3: Philip Cooper. Such a fucking awesome book. But basically, you're
Speaker 3: supposed to go and walk through these two pillars inside
Speaker 3: your meditative mind in a sense. And the idea about
Speaker 3: you walking through two pillars, I believe would be that
Speaker 3: you're you represent that third pillar, right, and so you
Speaker 3: represent you're you're taking two parts and you're creating something
Speaker 3: as a whole unit that point.
Speaker 4: Yes, And you know eleven is often represented as a
Speaker 4: portal and numerology, which is like to pillars, right, and
Speaker 4: that's two right before three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and then you start getting conspiratorial you look
Speaker 3: at the twin towers and that whole thing.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, we're not going to get too weird tonight.
Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, it's just crazy whenever you start really
Speaker 3: looking at the symbolism of the world and then trying
Speaker 3: to to almost like how can I do something in
Speaker 3: my own life with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's creating your own language with the universe, because
Speaker 4: you should have your own language with.
Speaker 5: It, dude.
Speaker 3: That's what the synchronicity is. Like, every time you see
Speaker 3: a synchronicity, it's like your own little connection to the
Speaker 3: matrix itself in that moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't, don't let it just happen, start telling it. Okay,
Speaker 4: next time when I see this, numbers only show it
Speaker 4: for this reason, like and then right, and then now
Speaker 4: we're starting to kind of having a reciprocal conversation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well that's just like the other night man,
Speaker 5: we had a meditation and I forget the specific meditation,
Speaker 5: but and I didn't even mention this part of it.
Speaker 5: But I saw like a pegasus, right, and I wasn't
Speaker 5: thinking about that. This was something that just came out
Speaker 5: of nowhere. But I didn't mention it after the show
Speaker 5: because I was like, eh, that was kind of weird,
Speaker 5: and like, I don't know, because there was something else
Speaker 5: that happened as well. The very next day, my wife
Speaker 5: and I decided to watch a movie and it was
Speaker 5: a Clash of the Titans, you know, because I was like,
Speaker 5: why haven't I seen this yet? It looks cool. It's
Speaker 5: about the gods and the Greek gods, and when you
Speaker 5: know what, there's like a bunch of pegasus. I don't
Speaker 5: know how you paralize that, but yeah, and I was like,
Speaker 5: there it is, you know what I mean, It's like
Speaker 5: in my reality, it was like did I make that
Speaker 5: happen or did you know it was? I seen him.
Speaker 5: It's an echo.
Speaker 4: It's an echo of the future. And at the same time,
Speaker 4: like you know, you projected, you wrote, directed, and starred
Speaker 4: in that movie as you watched it essentially right, and
Speaker 4: that it presented itself to you exactly when it needed
Speaker 4: to to give you some type of a message. And
Speaker 4: you know what a pegasust represents. Horses represent freedom, and
Speaker 4: you know they have wings, so there's something ethereal and
Speaker 4: godly like about it. It's your steed, it's your it's loyalty, right,
Speaker 4: It's all all these kind of things.
Speaker 5: So yeah, dude, Yeah, and then and then what happens
Speaker 5: is is you know what I do to myself in
Speaker 5: that moment is like, well, you know, if I didn't
Speaker 5: have that meditation and I didn't see that the Pegasus
Speaker 5: and I just so happened to watch class Clash of
Speaker 5: the Titans.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 5: Even I wouldn't even have thought to you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, you know seeing the same thing that I
Speaker 5: would have seen anyways. You know, it's like I don't know,
Speaker 5: but still cool though, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, And I definitely recommend to people if you
Speaker 4: do a lot of meditating, or if you like to
Speaker 4: analyze your dreams, or if you want someone to interpret
Speaker 4: your dreams, like me, definitely keep a dream catcher, like
Speaker 4: buy your head somewhere or like, you know, near where
Speaker 4: you're sleeping. I put one up like six months ago,
Speaker 4: and every single night I remember every one of my dreams,
Speaker 4: like super vividly.
Speaker 5: Dude, I'm gonna have to try that because I feel
Speaker 5: like I especially lately, like the last h I don't know,
Speaker 5: four or five months, I've been dreaming every night, like
Speaker 5: I'm for sure I had at least three or four
Speaker 5: different dreams, but by the time I wake up, they
Speaker 5: they're so jumbled together, and I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I feel like I did a lot of shit right now,
Speaker 5: but I just you know, there might be one little
Speaker 5: small aspect of it. But yeah, I'm gonna have to
Speaker 5: try that, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's definitely worth that. You know, some people
Speaker 4: put crystals behind their head, you know, it's all just
Speaker 4: initiation kind of stuff that you're basically setting an intention
Speaker 4: to remember your dreams.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm that wa we can shift your attention yeah,
Speaker 5: towards that.
Speaker 3: Oh, that makes a lot of sense. You're kind of
Speaker 3: taking that first step to shift your attention, which I
Speaker 3: think that's that's the entire you know, reason why you
Speaker 3: would have any kind of ritual or setting your intention
Speaker 3: or having any kind of affirmation or anything like that
Speaker 3: in general, is to just set that initial intention to
Speaker 3: allow it to be able to show itself. Because you
Speaker 3: know that whenever you are presented with anything that it's
Speaker 3: it's another little number within the equation of the infinite
Speaker 3: that now is bringing more possibility of that thing being
Speaker 3: replicated in your Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 4: Like you're setting the momentum for it to occur as
Speaker 4: in your experience as the observer, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what EA was saying the other night, As far
Speaker 5: as uh, you know, practicing the magic and everything else,
Speaker 5: the two most valuable things that you can have are
Speaker 5: your time and your attention, And if you're using both
Speaker 5: of those together along with yourself, you're unstoppable.
Speaker 4: As great advice, I'm going to take that for myself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he makes so much sense.
Speaker 3: He doesn't even do blood magic anymore.
Speaker 5: Thinking about it, And I've said this before as far
Speaker 5: as like when you're in class and you're you're wanting
Speaker 5: to look out the window or you're you're drawing, you're
Speaker 5: not really paying, you know, and the teacher's like, hey,
Speaker 5: pay attention, because you're paying something that is valuable. It's
Speaker 5: paying something, yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, to get to get a little weird here, though.
Speaker 3: If if that's what's going on, why do you think
Speaker 3: so if if everything is kind of intention, why is
Speaker 3: it that our minds almost accept that our life force
Speaker 3: and our blood is going to help us manifest certain
Speaker 3: kind of things as in like magical blood rituals and
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, Like because it does seem to
Speaker 3: enhance it. I've never personally done it, but just listen
Speaker 3: to other people. It's like, you know, whenever they would
Speaker 3: do a sacrifice, all the ancients, they you know, practice
Speaker 3: sacrifice all the time, and they they just understood that
Speaker 3: blood would amplify said ritual. What do you think that is?
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, uh, any we've talked about
Speaker 4: this before actually a little bit, just that like whatever
Speaker 4: it is that triggers you is what it is that
Speaker 4: you need. And you know, uh, it is easy to
Speaker 4: let's say, convince somebody that blood is powerful because of
Speaker 4: logical things, because of mysterious things, because of whatever it
Speaker 4: is a life for it, and these are kind of
Speaker 4: these things that like, you know, it just kind of
Speaker 4: triggers people to be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense
Speaker 4: that that would work, and then it works.
Speaker 5: It's kind of universal understanding is important, right, stop it
Speaker 5: right away?
Speaker 4: Exactly at church they're not drinking blood, they're drinking wine
Speaker 4: right well.
Speaker 3: And like and the same thing goes for like even
Speaker 3: for example, they they have collected all of the perfect
Speaker 3: red heifers and they're going to be performing the sacrifice.
Speaker 3: And in Israel here soon allegedly they already did it
Speaker 3: on a trial practice run and people are going around
Speaker 3: and like divvying out all the ashes and performing miracles
Speaker 3: and all this wild stuff. But it almost makes you wonder,
Speaker 3: like does it really matter? And this is just gonna
Speaker 3: get real weird here just looking at it from another angle, right,
Speaker 3: does it really matter that that red heifer had to
Speaker 3: be perfect to where not a single hair was out
Speaker 3: of place? Right in order to perform that ritual? It
Speaker 3: has to be an exact perfect red heifer, right, And
Speaker 3: and it made me think, like, is it because we
Speaker 3: value the the pure and innocent and sinless the most
Speaker 3: that causes that ritual to work out a little bit
Speaker 3: more because in any other circumstance, you wouldn't just sacrifice
Speaker 3: that that would be the one that you would want
Speaker 3: to eat the most, or the one that would be
Speaker 3: your prized possession. And you know, what do you think
Speaker 3: that is? Like why do you think there's.
Speaker 4: A little bit to be said to about like consciously
Speaker 4: doing something that like you know, you I am consciously
Speaker 4: taking care of this bull or this cow, I'm consciously
Speaker 4: preparing it. I'm not just like slaughtering it, get on
Speaker 4: gone with it. You know. It's like it's kind of
Speaker 4: like how uh Eckar totally talks about how like consciously
Speaker 4: making tea right. It's like, so it's like kind of
Speaker 4: it's more about like, you know, it's almost paying respect
Speaker 4: to the cat, the cow in some ways and respect
Speaker 4: to God that like you know that that we we
Speaker 4: consciously are preparing this with certain things in mind. And
Speaker 4: you know, if you believe that you doing that is
Speaker 4: going to do something, then you created that. You know,
Speaker 4: if if you believe something is conscious, you just made
Speaker 4: it conscious. Right, So if you believe that doing it
Speaker 4: with the pureness and all this and and like you
Speaker 4: spend all this time doing it, just like we were
Speaker 4: talking about with the magic that like if you the
Speaker 4: time and the attention, so the time and the attention
Speaker 4: is on the bull and the purity and the and
Speaker 4: that that you know, making all, then it would probably
Speaker 4: be more magical.
Speaker 5: You're charging the battery, dude, Yeah, just like we do
Speaker 5: with putting a crystal on a on a deck of
Speaker 5: cards or you know what I'm saying, you're you're you
Speaker 5: are putting that energy into that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And you know cows represent mother energy and you
Speaker 4: know wounds and you know their double stomachs have a
Speaker 4: mystical meaning to it just that uh you know they
Speaker 4: uh they can it takes a while to digest things,
Speaker 4: but that at all, you know, everything's temporary. Like then
Speaker 4: there's a lot of kind of more mystical understandings to
Speaker 4: what they represent and the purity of that.
Speaker 5: Okay, I love your understanding of all of that. Like
Speaker 5: as far as the animals and all the symbolism that
Speaker 5: goes into that, that's that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, and red is grounded energy blood all that.
Speaker 3: You know, Well, it's the color of the sacral chakra too,
Speaker 3: isn't there?
Speaker 4: Yep? So in the color of hell. Interesting, huh.
Speaker 3: Brid said, I like this format where we're all coming together,
Speaker 3: sharing our experiences, trying to figure out all this crazy uh,
Speaker 3: all all this crazy out without no one really above
Speaker 3: anyone else.
Speaker 5: If that makes sense.
Speaker 4: It's more lad, I love that's the energy that were
Speaker 4: trying to create. Man, I don't have any strong opinions.
Speaker 4: If I just if it's fun, I'm gonna follow it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, especially if you're making your own reality.
Speaker 4: Well, who am I to tell another god what is
Speaker 4: their reality? Right?
Speaker 5: Yep?
Speaker 3: Yes God, brit said, Maybe there is outer outer worlds
Speaker 3: to be found, but they're not actually physical like here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, could be, could be, Yeah, all possibilities exist.
Speaker 3: Do you think that whenever Do you think that whenever
Speaker 3: you die that you become privy to all that information?
Speaker 4: Yes, but it doesn't matter at that point, right. I
Speaker 4: will tell you that when I had my near death experiences,
Speaker 4: you know you have all the answers because you are
Speaker 4: the answers, the questions don't even matter anymore.
Speaker 5: You are the mystery you are.
Speaker 4: Everything was totally clear, Yeah, totally clear, and then you're like,
Speaker 4: oh this is boring, whoop, come back.
Speaker 5: And then you don't remember, just like the dream.
Speaker 4: Or it's like you do, but it's subconscious and it
Speaker 4: slowly comes out.
Speaker 3: Right, there was I wanted to get your opinion on this.
Speaker 3: We had an episode like a year ago with this
Speaker 3: woman who said that she was talking to her deceased
Speaker 3: grandmother through her Roku TV. And she was saying that,
Speaker 3: you know, her grandma and in her entire family, they
Speaker 3: were all, you know, really religious all the time. But
Speaker 3: then her grandma died and she noticed that there seemed
Speaker 3: to be messages being written on her TV that were
Speaker 3: directed at certain family members. And it made no sense, right, Uh,
Speaker 3: anybody that has like a Roku TV, you're able to
Speaker 3: you know, whenever you go and type a word in,
Speaker 3: you have to do like letter by letter by letter
Speaker 3: by letter. It's not going to show up like full
Speaker 3: word kind of thing, right, And she was saying that
Speaker 3: that eventually everybody came to understand that, yeah, that's grandma, right,
Speaker 3: Like that that is Grandma. She's talking to us through
Speaker 3: this fucking rokue TV right made no damn sense, but
Speaker 3: it sounds awesome. But what her what she said was
Speaker 3: is that her grandma is speaking to her from the
Speaker 3: other side in the sense and almost has taken on
Speaker 3: an esoteric lens of the world. It's not so boxed
Speaker 3: in and cagey. It's more wide open and trying to
Speaker 3: show her the esoteric lens of everything and looking at
Speaker 3: everything through a different lens in that sense. What do
Speaker 3: you what are your thoughts on what is going on
Speaker 3: there from from the way that you look at this reality.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that, like, you know, when the physical
Speaker 4: body dies, which I actually do believe is a choice.
Speaker 4: I believe you want to you could literally live forever,
Speaker 4: but that like when the physical body dies, it literally
Speaker 4: is like taking off a tight shoe, and it's like
Speaker 4: it's like taking off a layer of bullshit. You're like, ugh. So,
Speaker 4: you know, Grandma might have taken off, you know, a
Speaker 4: layer of herself when she went back into the the
Speaker 4: all if you will, and and had you know, maybe
Speaker 4: a more refined understanding of things, or you know, a
Speaker 4: combination of her past lives came through and and you know,
Speaker 4: she's kind of a combination of these things. And just that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, beyond that, you know, everything is here and
Speaker 4: now and from the unseen realms. Uh, they all have
Speaker 4: access to this place. Only from this place do we
Speaker 4: have a hard time accessing the other places?
Speaker 3: It does seem like a bit of a conundrum, and
Speaker 3: so it's it's just fun trying to look at it
Speaker 3: from that angle, like what is going on there? And
Speaker 3: I guess it's not really that much different, you know,
Speaker 3: as opposed to you know, you talking to family members
Speaker 3: or deities or whatever in meditations or in prayer or
Speaker 3: something like that. This is more of just like some
Speaker 3: kind of physical manifestation, almost like a Weiji board kind
Speaker 3: of situation or a Tarot kind of situation, to where
Speaker 3: they're communicating with you through a certain medium.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so when it sounds like it was the perfect
Speaker 4: medium to choose because they all kind of agreed like yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: this is Grandma. So it's like it's yeah, it does
Speaker 4: work in mysterious ways, and that you know, I've had
Speaker 4: I've had experiences where people who were not dead yet
Speaker 4: to me as like an angel form of themselves, like
Speaker 4: a couple weeks before they died, and they came to
Speaker 4: me in like a vision and then you know, I've
Speaker 4: also had stuff where my future self has talked to
Speaker 4: myself now in meditations and like I know that like
Speaker 4: at some point in the future, I'm gonna be meditating
Speaker 4: and like go back and talk to my younger self
Speaker 4: and things like that. You know.
Speaker 5: So I think.
Speaker 4: Time is an illusion and as the observer, the projector
Speaker 4: and recorder of my reality, whatever I need to experience
Speaker 4: is going to come through in the infinite ways possible.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: That's interesting actually when we talk about like the infinite,
Speaker 5: you know, and when you go to the other side
Speaker 5: and now you have all the answers, right, But if
Speaker 5: everything is so infinite and we are the observer and
Speaker 5: projector of what we experienced, then how could there be
Speaker 5: an objective truth at all?
Speaker 4: They can't. And that's why it's so scary to be
Speaker 4: in this an experience because we're actually constantly going into
Speaker 4: the unknown. We're supposed to be right because we're creating it.
Speaker 4: Where are the ones supposed to go there for the
Speaker 4: first time?
Speaker 5: Right, So everybody's right and wrong? Yeah, yeah, that's great,
Speaker 5: And now I love this. I got chills. You know,
Speaker 5: something unlocked.
Speaker 3: We had a we had a conversation the other night,
Speaker 3: and we were talking about the Watchers and falling down
Speaker 3: from heaven and a third of the stars coming down
Speaker 3: to earth, and you know, could that have been the
Speaker 3: dragon's tail that swept you know, a third of the
Speaker 3: stars and and and that could that have been the
Speaker 3: fall and the cause of the nephalom and the cause
Speaker 3: of the flood and all this kind of wild shit, right,
Speaker 3: And it made me think, like, you know, what, if
Speaker 3: you were to look at it through the watchers perspective
Speaker 3: instead of just rebelling, could it be something else?
Speaker 4: Right? It?
Speaker 3: Could it just be that they wanted to try and
Speaker 3: see what it was like to to live in a
Speaker 3: dualistic kind of place rather than just everything always going
Speaker 3: perfectly all the time, you know. And it made me
Speaker 3: think about like a past life regression that I did
Speaker 3: so before I ever got into like being a past
Speaker 3: life regressionist. There, I got hypnotized twice and we were
Speaker 3: like practicing on each other, me and a couple other hypnotists.
Speaker 3: We're practicing on hypnotizing each other and giving past life aggressions.
Speaker 3: So my second time, which was my last time that
Speaker 3: I ever got, you know, regressed to a past life.
Speaker 3: I was like this, this watcher above a planet or
Speaker 3: a world or something like that. And I became like
Speaker 3: real not upset, but just kind of sad that people
Speaker 3: stopped calling on me for help, right, And and like
Speaker 3: in that moment, I was like, man, these people they're struggling,
Speaker 3: they're going through all these hard times. If they only
Speaker 3: knew that I was here, what would be a way
Speaker 3: to help them remember? And that I couldn't figure out
Speaker 3: a way to help them remember without like interrupting their
Speaker 3: own free will in a sense, right, And so what
Speaker 3: happened was is I I ended up going to the
Speaker 3: manager of that department, which I looked at as Odin,
Speaker 3: that was sitting at some kind of throne, and I said, look,
Speaker 3: I want to be able to help. I can't help
Speaker 3: at all up here, Like there's nothing that I can
Speaker 3: do that is going to help anybody. I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm just wasting my time and I'm just going to
Speaker 3: fade into nothingness after a while, right, And I was
Speaker 3: like I want to be able to help. I want
Speaker 3: to try and get like boots on the ground, Like
Speaker 3: can I just go down there and help them in
Speaker 3: some kind of way? And Odin's like your wish is
Speaker 3: my command, and he takes his staff on both of
Speaker 3: my shoulders, and as soon as he touches my head
Speaker 3: with the final anointing or whatever, I'm like coming through
Speaker 3: a womb like which is kind of crazy, right, And
Speaker 3: it almost made me really look at the fallen angels
Speaker 3: or the watchers that have fallen in a different perspective,
Speaker 3: like is it possible that they kind of just I
Speaker 3: don't know, want to to come down and raise the
Speaker 3: vibration of the earth or whatever you want to say, like,
Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on that angle of the fallen?
Speaker 4: I think that through duality, yes, things manifested as like
Speaker 4: demi gods and light beings, angel the fall and however
Speaker 4: we want to look at it, and that they are
Speaker 4: essentially part of the light and dark forces that kind
Speaker 4: of are a let's say, part of the fabric of
Speaker 4: this reality. Like they literally are like the things that
Speaker 4: are holding it together.
Speaker 5: And that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that like God's source duality then created like demigods,
Speaker 4: you know, angels, light beings and eventually like it got
Speaker 4: more and more and more dense to be to be
Speaker 4: in physical form, but that these light and dark forces
Speaker 4: don't have free will in the sense that we do.
Speaker 4: That they're doing their jobs beautifully, but that you know,
Speaker 4: the darker doing the dark things, the light are doing
Speaker 4: the light things, and they work together and it's all
Speaker 4: but that they are in a way almost jealous of
Speaker 4: us because we have so much free will and we
Speaker 4: can experience both the light and the dark and transmute
Speaker 4: and essentially that we are the manifesting power, so that
Speaker 4: the forces that don't take material form can only influence
Speaker 4: us to manifest the reality that they prefer. So how
Speaker 4: we then take our power back is through creativity and
Speaker 4: creating the reality that we prefer.
Speaker 5: That's great. I love that, dude very well, said man,
Speaker 5: thank you so jealous of us because we don't know
Speaker 5: what we don't know, you know, and they just seem
Speaker 5: to know just about everything.
Speaker 3: Yea way that probably in the same way that we
Speaker 3: look at like little kids, right, everything is so open,
Speaker 3: they don't have any restrictions, They can be whatever they
Speaker 3: want to be. Meanwhile, we get older.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and I think that's how ET's kind of look
Speaker 4: at us too, as like they're kind of like younger,
Speaker 4: inner child, you know, more innocent, like, oh, we got
Speaker 4: to health these guys, because they just don't really kind
Speaker 4: of realize, you know, some of them think that way
Speaker 4: some of us. Some of them probably use us for fuel.
Speaker 4: Some of us probably just come here for recreational purposes.
Speaker 3: You know, right, Yeah, yeah, so much fun looking at
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff, Pete said, Is Banks can't.
Speaker 3: Pete said, is Banks referring to Sun Wukong, the monkey
Speaker 3: king Goku from Dragon Ball Z is inspired by him. Yes, yes, nice, Danny, brother.
Speaker 4: My brother's a kung fu master, so I know a
Speaker 4: lot about kind of more than ancient Chinese kung fu.
Speaker 5: What was the second one that you put up?
Speaker 3: The Book of Jasher Oh okay, yeah, he threw up
Speaker 3: the nineteen seventy five King James Bible. Tooty sweet, Oh, Danny.
Speaker 3: So you're actually the same as me. As far as
Speaker 3: the Chinese zodiac. You're also a metal horse. It's actually
Speaker 3: a golden horse that year because it's like all the
Speaker 3: different metals and the different types of liquid and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. It changes like every seventy years or whatever
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 4: But yeah, what I love about the Chinese zodiac too
Speaker 4: is they have the four elements, but then they have
Speaker 4: metal and that like the metal I think is such
Speaker 4: a cool element to add because it's like a it's
Speaker 4: like a man made thing, and it's like a combination
Speaker 4: of things. I don't know, I just I always thought
Speaker 4: that that was a really interesting.
Speaker 5: Thing, something that has been transmuted.
Speaker 3: A synergy, right, Yeah, Oh dude, It's just like whenever
Speaker 3: we read The The Alchemist by Polo Cuelo. Dude, anybody
Speaker 3: that hasn't read that book, we I mean we read
Speaker 3: it on the show, But fucking awesome story, dude. All
Speaker 3: basically all about transmutation. That's really what it's all about,
Speaker 3: and just the alchemy of the soul in a sense.
Speaker 5: It's it's got a lot of beautiful messages, dude, something
Speaker 5: that you could really apply.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh damn, Danny said, I think I would come back
Speaker 3: as my son, see how I was as a dad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good way to look at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and you have and you will. You know,
Speaker 4: you your son has been, your father has been, your
Speaker 4: lover has been the one that murdered you. Like everything
Speaker 4: is recycling, right, and so if you want to feel
Speaker 4: that way, you already have, and you will at some
Speaker 4: point in another carnate incarnation.
Speaker 3: Or you know, well, I mean just think about like
Speaker 3: all the different masks that Jim Carrey wears and all
Speaker 3: the different movies that he's in. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: he can be the Mask, he can be ace Ventura,
Speaker 3: he can be the Grinch, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like he can be all these different characters, but it's
Speaker 3: still the same kind of energy behind everything.
Speaker 5: Still.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and I remember asking. I remember asking one
Speaker 4: of my spiritual teachers when I first started waking up.
Speaker 4: I was like, wait, so, like if I'm you and
Speaker 4: I'm everybody, then like, well, I like reincarnate as you
Speaker 4: at some point and like live this again like as you.
Speaker 4: And he was like, well, you don't have to, because
Speaker 4: you're living me through you. And I just thought that
Speaker 4: was very fascinating. And I was like, oh, that feels
Speaker 4: really good.
Speaker 3: That does feel nice. It feels the water's warm.
Speaker 5: On that one.
Speaker 3: Brit said, I'm a lion in Western astrology and a
Speaker 3: tiger and Chinese astrology, so just cats all around.
Speaker 5: Not going to use the other word.
Speaker 4: I love cats. I'm a liar and star seed myself.
Speaker 4: If you couldn't tell what the lions.
Speaker 3: Mean, I'm trying to grow it back out dude, every
Speaker 3: time I cut every time my hair gets long, for
Speaker 3: some reason, I think it's a good idea to cut
Speaker 3: it off, and just because you almost start to get like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody else feels this way, but
Speaker 3: you almost start to get jealous of people that are
Speaker 3: walking around with short hair, Like, oh man, it's so
Speaker 3: much less work. You know, you ain't got to wash
Speaker 3: and condition it and brush it and comb it and
Speaker 3: maintain it every day. It's a full on pet that
Speaker 3: you gotta deal with. But then I see you and
Speaker 3: I got this short hair over here, and I'm like, God,
Speaker 3: damn it, I need to grow this time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I always I was, you know, whenever I
Speaker 4: got hand tattoos or grew my hair, like when I
Speaker 4: still had a nine to five job in the matrix,
Speaker 4: like I always like. And now that I broke out
Speaker 4: of that shit, I fucking I'm like, let's fucking go.
Speaker 5: Oh dude.
Speaker 3: You ever see like sad Guru, like his hair is
Speaker 3: all over the place, he has this crazy looking beard.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, there's a lot of mystical spiritual ties
Speaker 4: to hair. You know, it's an extension of our nervous
Speaker 4: system essentially, right and it's like it picks up a
Speaker 4: lot of energy. It's kind of like how cats feel
Speaker 4: things with their hair, you know, and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: And that's why it's also really important that if you
Speaker 4: have a lot of hair and you're doing a lot
Speaker 4: of spiritual work, that you wash it a lot and
Speaker 4: this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh, because it'll like carry energy from day to day
Speaker 3: in that sense.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I made the awful mistake of shaving my beard, and
Speaker 5: I feel like I lost a part of myself. It's awful.
Speaker 5: I can't wait for it to grow. Bag. I'm actually
Speaker 5: gonna need you to send me some of yours. I
Speaker 5: actually got sponsored by it enough to go around.
Speaker 4: I got sponsored by a beard company that's pretty good
Speaker 4: actually called Nickel City Beard Blends. They're out of Canada.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, anybody's interested.
Speaker 3: That's like a is that like a like a salve
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 4: They do everything they have like shampoo salve, Like they
Speaker 4: got stuff for tattoos. They got a bunch of different stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh that's cool. Yeah, Oh yeah, I gotta grow on
Speaker 5: mine back. I right before the show, I went and
Speaker 5: you know, and I was gonna like brush my hair
Speaker 5: or whatever, and like brush my beard. Usually I'll brush
Speaker 5: it out and I'm like, ah, like I'm a who
Speaker 5: am I dude?
Speaker 3: I feel that same way like whenever I go and
Speaker 3: chop my beard off, because I'm so used to doing
Speaker 3: this all the time, you know, like if you got
Speaker 3: a beard, you're so used to just touching it and
Speaker 3: just being weird.
Speaker 5: But so if you're thinking about shaving your beard, anybody
Speaker 5: out there, just don't do it. Don't do it.
Speaker 3: Burn from me, right, Danny said, I've seen a lot
Speaker 3: of red cows here in Canada. I wonder what is
Speaker 3: a red cow supposed to be? Like, I mean, I
Speaker 3: get that it's supposed to be a little bit more
Speaker 3: sacred for the sacrifices and stuff like that, But I
Speaker 3: wonder why a red cow over just a regular like
Speaker 3: spotted cow.
Speaker 5: Who makes the determination whether or not the red heifers perfect?
Speaker 5: Who's who's deciding this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know, U super Market said
Speaker 3: the arcons. The Smith's the programs that run the matrix
Speaker 3: and police it. The watchers Smith being Satan, the angel
Speaker 3: that broke from the Matrix to become independent. Yeah, jeez,
Speaker 3: that's the that's the whole, Like the Gnostic version of
Speaker 3: the Garden of Eden at that point, it's like they
Speaker 3: look at the serpent as the good guy.
Speaker 5: In a sense. Yeah, trying to bring knowledge, right, That's
Speaker 5: kind of.
Speaker 4: How I look at in a lot of ways. I mean,
Speaker 4: I I the metaphor of the Garden of Eden is
Speaker 4: very clear to me, you know, and it's retold in
Speaker 4: the hero's journey and tarot cards and everything else, and
Speaker 4: that it's you know, it was it's the story of
Speaker 4: becoming aware and not just being an animal.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, speaking of Tarot cards, Sean, we got one
Speaker 3: of those bad boys pulled out already.
Speaker 5: Oh dude, you know what I am slacking? What I was?
Speaker 5: I was so into the conversation. Man, I wasn't even
Speaker 5: thinking about it now.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just bought my brother's first tarot card deck
Speaker 4: for his birthday. He was like, I think I'm ready.
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, I'm ready.
Speaker 3: And I have like several tarot decks that I used
Speaker 3: that are like I used to have one that was
Speaker 3: my favorite, right, which was funny because it was the
Speaker 3: cheapest one it was, and it was a deck from
Speaker 3: five Below. Anybody that's ever gone there, it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: a five dollars tarot deck or whatever, right, And and
Speaker 3: then I got this one deck that so for Christmas
Speaker 3: last year, I bought my mom. My mom's like grow
Speaker 3: into coloring and stuff, right, and so I was like, well,
Speaker 3: that'd be interesting. Maybe I'll get her one of those
Speaker 3: tarot decks that you can color and you can make
Speaker 3: your own colors on there or whatever, right, And so
Speaker 3: I bought her that, and for my birthday this year,
Speaker 3: she sent it to me in the mail, all colored,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's like the perfect like magical tarot deck, right,
Speaker 3: because you think about it, it's seventy eight cards, and
Speaker 3: not only are you coloring the actual picture, you got
Speaker 3: to color the back to every single one too, you know.
Speaker 3: And so there was I just and and it was
Speaker 3: even more awesome because my mom was coloring the actual
Speaker 3: face of the card, you know, whether it's the Queen
Speaker 3: of Swords or the Magician or whatever. And then my
Speaker 3: dad was covering all the back and coloring all the
Speaker 3: backs of them, and so it's like a little mix
Speaker 3: of Yeah, it's like a little mix of them. So
Speaker 3: that that became like my favorite deck. And then I
Speaker 3: decided to get one of those decks because we're really
Speaker 3: trying to understand the tarot and a little bit a
Speaker 3: little bit more and just understanding the symbolism of each
Speaker 3: individual card a little bit more. Maybe if you look
Speaker 3: at one card and you can think of one word
Speaker 3: every time you look at each each card, right, And
Speaker 3: so I bought this other deck that's like one of
Speaker 3: those beginner decks that's like like this right here, it
Speaker 3: shows they the description of what it means, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so I just pulled up the Night of Cups
Speaker 3: just for example, and it says it stands for Roman.
Speaker 3: It's charming, graceful invitations following your heart and dreams. So
Speaker 3: just like all right, it's almost like flashcards. When are
Speaker 3: you studying for a TI?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, at that point, it's funny. I've been pulling
Speaker 4: the Night of Cups a lot lately. And it's funny
Speaker 4: because my interpretation of a card has slowly changed over time,
Speaker 4: although it does still mean those things like when I
Speaker 4: see it, I see it as someone who has returned
Speaker 4: from the hero's journey with the Licksir to share with
Speaker 4: the people.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's funny that you bring that up. I was
Speaker 3: just looking and there was this, Uh, I think it
Speaker 3: was let me check it real quick because I sent
Speaker 3: it to myself on Instagram, and that this guy was
Speaker 3: talking about how there's any elixir that you can take
Speaker 3: and basically, no matter what's wrong with you, it's always
Speaker 3: going to heal you in some kind of way, and
Speaker 3: it's made like with brown rice, and yeah.
Speaker 4: Here it is and stuff like that. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: what is his.
Speaker 3: Name, Hiroshi Hasakawa, doctor Roshi Hasakawao. He posted about this
Speaker 3: certain elixir and then mysteriously died in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: you know those kind of things. But he called it STAP,
Speaker 3: and so it says STAP sales can be easily made
Speaker 3: at home. They were originally researched at the Kumamato University
Speaker 3: and then entrusted to Reichen. The culture solution used as
Speaker 3: the base was brown rice lactic acid bacteria, and they
Speaker 3: say that that he was basically going on and saying
Speaker 3: that it was some kind of magical elixir to where
Speaker 3: anything that's wrong with you, it will heal you in
Speaker 3: some kind of sense. But it's made of let's see,
Speaker 3: so one cup of pesticide free brown rice, one and
Speaker 3: a half liters of natural water, fifteen grams of natural
Speaker 3: core salt and forty five grams of brown sugar. So
Speaker 3: I just wanted to throw that out there and like
Speaker 3: because people were eating that or drinking it or whatever
Speaker 3: and were healing from everything, like from cancer and like
Speaker 3: crazy thing, right, And I was like, dude, it does
Speaker 3: exist out there anything.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but that's what this is. My whole thing though,
Speaker 4: is that, like even the elixir and the metaphor of
Speaker 4: the taro is it does It's not like an actual thing,
Speaker 4: it's whatever it is to you. M hmm. It's like,
Speaker 4: it's what did you learn? What is the what if
Speaker 4: we all the mixing of all the things together, now,
Speaker 4: how can you heal the people with what you've learned?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: And that like c and even this elixir that you're
Speaker 4: talking about, like it wouldn't surprise me at all of
Speaker 4: it would work because if you think it does, it does.
Speaker 5: Oh dude, I feel that same placebo effects. Yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: Every time I get sick, I know in my mind
Speaker 3: that if I take like in a leave, that I
Speaker 3: will be I will be feeling perfect. Like I've just
Speaker 3: accepted that as my reality so much so that if
Speaker 3: as soon as I get sick, and I as soon
Speaker 3: as I pop like in a leve or two, and
Speaker 3: I know I shouldn't be because it's Bayer and it's
Speaker 3: big Pharma whatever, But as soon as I pop it
Speaker 3: like it kicks in before it should. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like it doesn't make any damn sense, but
Speaker 3: it's because of the placebo effect and that kind of
Speaker 3: sense to where I've accepted that that is what's going
Speaker 3: to make me feel better.
Speaker 5: And I think that you can the reality that you prefer.
Speaker 3: Right, And I think that you can kind of do
Speaker 3: that with a lot of things, which is a.
Speaker 4: Lot of things. And when I'm done doing energy work,
Speaker 4: if I don't cleanse myself physically and with the air,
Speaker 4: I will like get sick and throw up. So like
Speaker 4: what I do is I put like organic salt in
Speaker 4: my hands and like imagine the energy like getting sucked
Speaker 4: out through the salt, and then I washed my hands
Speaker 4: with the salt. And that's actually a common thing that
Speaker 4: like mystics and you know, especially like in Mexico and
Speaker 4: South America do that kind of technique and saging and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. But like it's just the again,
Speaker 4: it's the awareness, the imagination, the intention, all that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff.
Speaker 3: Dude, It's crazy how all that stuff kind of does
Speaker 3: work though, And like you know, for example, people thought
Speaker 3: that it was just like an eclectic thing or a
Speaker 3: witchy thing to save your house, right, and then they
Speaker 3: found out that, oh, it actually does purify the air
Speaker 3: whenever you light it, and it does get rid of
Speaker 3: all of the the you know, impure particles of air,
Speaker 3: and it moves stagnation right. Yeah, and you're supposed to,
Speaker 3: like they say that, whenever you're cleansing your house or
Speaker 3: your apartment or whatever with stage that you're supposed to
Speaker 3: open a window or open your door and allow all
Speaker 3: that shit to get out.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: You have to let you have to give the spirits
Speaker 4: the way out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, I got the Tarot card. If you gentlemen
Speaker 5: are ready, let's go. Got the tin of wands.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, the ten of Ones we always, I mean,
Speaker 3: we're still learning how to read these bad boys, but
Speaker 3: the tent of Wands, here we go.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 3: Be mindful of taking on too many responsibilities. It is
Speaker 3: perfectly reasonable to protect your energy and say no after
Speaker 3: digging into your energetic reserves for a long haul effort,
Speaker 3: you find yourself push past your limits. In the tent
Speaker 3: of Wand's card, a man struggles to carry a bundle
Speaker 3: of ten wands, it representing the difficult task of juggling
Speaker 3: multiple areas of life at once. He makes his way
Speaker 3: toward a beautiful house in the distance, but his head
Speaker 3: is down. The wands are heavy and obstructing his view.
Speaker 3: He appears to trudge blindly forward, pushing himself to his
Speaker 3: physical limits. The blue color of the card represents mental clarity,
Speaker 3: indicating the man knows that he must complete this task,
Speaker 3: no matter how uncomfortable and stressful it feels in the moment.
Speaker 3: Peace of mind is just on the other side of
Speaker 3: this experience. The spiritual message behind it says, saying yes
Speaker 3: to everything and everyone has left you feeling burned out
Speaker 3: and over and overburdened. Creating boundaries and saying no can
Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable in the moment, but it is much more
Speaker 3: sustainable than taking on the weight of the world. You
Speaker 3: may be taking on incredible amounts of responsibility or creative
Speaker 3: projects in order to meet your personal goals.
Speaker 5: That's great, dude, That's kind of how I was feeling
Speaker 5: this morning. Man. You know, we were kind of short
Speaker 5: staffed at work, and I just felt like everything was
Speaker 5: on me. If I didn't do it, it wasn't going
Speaker 5: to get done. And I was really stressing out, dude,
Speaker 5: and it really just made for a kind of a
Speaker 5: shitty day, you know. And so sometimes you just gotta,
Speaker 5: you know, stop people please, and you can't please everybody.
Speaker 5: You just can't. There's no way.
Speaker 4: Well, i'll tell you. The optimistic interpretation of that card
Speaker 4: when I read that card is that you're almost You've
Speaker 4: been in the desert hauling around all of your magic
Speaker 4: and the shit you've picked up and the things you're
Speaker 4: you know, the the things you need to take with you,
Speaker 4: and you've been in the desert for thirty days and
Speaker 4: like you've almost reached civilization. You're almost back. That's the
Speaker 4: interpretation I like to give that card.
Speaker 5: That's great.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's more optimistic way of looking at it doesn't.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing about every single card can be
Speaker 3: read in a million different ways, you know, and that's it.
Speaker 3: It kind of meets you where you are in that point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like he was saying, this is how I look
Speaker 5: at this card. Now, yeah, you know it evolves.
Speaker 4: Well, now now I just use cards to kind of
Speaker 4: I guess, like channel what's on my mind. Like it's
Speaker 4: less about kind of telling a story through the card.
Speaker 4: It's more about having the card trigger a lesson that
Speaker 4: I already know about that I've already been through, or
Speaker 4: something I can help somebody.
Speaker 5: With, right, Yeah, right, perfect.
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's what's going on too sometimes, Like
Speaker 3: that's always in the back of my mind. Is my
Speaker 3: energy being manifested in card form every time I draw
Speaker 3: a Tarot card personally? Right? Like, is it just what'sever
Speaker 3: on my mind that's being tattooed in the frequency of
Speaker 3: a card in that moment you know?
Speaker 5: Or you know?
Speaker 3: And that's because you want to believe that you're getting
Speaker 3: a message from you know, a guide or something like that.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I guess is it just as
Speaker 3: prevalent of a message if it's coming from your higher
Speaker 3: self as opposed to a guide anyway?
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess, yeah, it doesn't matter, dude, because
Speaker 4: the truth is that if you're looking at a card, like,
Speaker 4: does that picture of the card physically exist in your mind?
Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean? Like, So, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: that's that's a lot of proof of that, like you're
Speaker 4: projecting it like you're it's you didn't you're creating that
Speaker 4: image it didn't already exist.
Speaker 5: Right. Oh yeah, that does make sense too.
Speaker 3: Super Market said, I put the salt from the Dead
Speaker 3: Sea in my shower for energy hygiene.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great. Interesting, you know, see sand and salt
Speaker 4: water is like the best way to ground yourself.
Speaker 3: Also interesting, I've been hearing a lot of people use
Speaker 3: the Celtic salt too. Yeah, so pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 4: As long as it's not like table salt, because that's
Speaker 4: like super refined, not natural, like you know, made with
Speaker 4: you know, in a chemistry process.
Speaker 5: It's all bleached.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Supermarket said, it's divination speaking with the gods. You're
Speaker 3: taking or you're talking to yourself because you are God.
Speaker 4: Yes, when you're speaking the truth, you are speaking divine information.
Speaker 5: You feel so much better too, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I can't tell you how many times, you know,
Speaker 4: I used to think, wait, no, this isn't psychic. But
Speaker 4: what it was is like I would be relating it
Speaker 4: to something that happen to me, and then they would
Speaker 4: be like, oh my god, yes, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: so it does work this way. It's not just like
Speaker 4: that I have images and that the truth or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's like, I'm literally it's triggering a memory in me
Speaker 4: and now I'm sharing that with you, and now it
Speaker 4: resonates with you like yep.
Speaker 5: Oh man, yeah, because we're all one damn thing anyway.
Speaker 3: So all right, well, I think we're gonna wrap it
Speaker 3: up right there. We're gonna get over to the meditation
Speaker 3: and finish out the rest of the show. But for
Speaker 3: anybody who wants to be able to find you, Banksy,
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Speaker 4: So?
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Speaker 4: Man, Optimistic Banks, It's optimistic with the why Mystic Optimistic Banks. Yeah, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Spotify,
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Speaker 5: Oh well, dude, go check out Optimistics music if you
Speaker 5: want to listen to something that actually means something, you know,
Speaker 5: something on a deeper level, which we all crave, you know,
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Speaker 3: It out, dude, so good perfectly resonates and it's man,
Speaker 3: it's it's not poisonous like a lot of the other
Speaker 3: music that's out there. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 3: the exact opposite. And you feel that just frequency wise,
Speaker 3: every time you listen to it, whether you're paying attention
Speaker 3: to the lyrics or not, it like it. It resonates
Speaker 3: either way.
Speaker 5: It's so good.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I put a lot of heart and soul
Speaker 4: and truth into a lot of vulnerability.
Speaker 5: It shows, he said.
Speaker 3: Optimistic Banks is Instagram is fire. Yeah, I love it, man,
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 4: Just today hit thirty three thousand followers on Instagram and
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Speaker 5: Is my numbers.
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Speaker 3: I just love it.
Speaker 5: Well, I love y'all.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take off then you all be very good
Speaker 4: you next time, guys.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll see you.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 3: Man, what a episode. What a character to be talking
Speaker 3: to Optimistic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's so awesome, you know, because uh we
Speaker 5: found here. I've seen him on Instagram and and a
Speaker 5: lot of his videos. Man, They're just so informative and
Speaker 5: just the energy he puts off. You know, like there's
Speaker 5: been days where, you know, maybe I'm having a rough
Speaker 5: day or whatever, and then one of his videos will
Speaker 5: pop up and I'm just like, I can't believe we
Speaker 5: were able to get him on our show at all,
Speaker 5: you know, and so I just felt like it was
Speaker 5: a privilege.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, just a stud And I feel like that
Speaker 3: with a lot of the people that we've had on
Speaker 3: the show, you know, whether it be him or Lord
Speaker 3: Byron or Ronnie Pontiac or you know, the list goes on,
Speaker 3: all of the amazing people that have you know, uh,
Speaker 3: the student, when student is ready, the teacher appears. In
Speaker 3: that sense, it's just really cool. So, uh yeah, we're
Speaker 3: gonna get over to that meditation. If you want to
Speaker 3: be a part of that meditation, the only place to
Speaker 3: be able to do that is over at patreon dot
Speaker 3: com slash Meta Mysteries. We don't put it on the podcast.
Speaker 3: We don't put it on YouTube because then there's gonna
Speaker 3: be ad interruption. Ain't nobody trying to be interrupted by
Speaker 3: an ad during a meditation.
Speaker 5: It's like the worst thing.
Speaker 3: So if you want to be able to join us
Speaker 3: on that or on the live shows, then it's patreon
Speaker 3: dot com slash Meta Mysteries. So yeah, dude, that was
Speaker 3: a fun episode and can't wait until next week whenever
Speaker 3: we go again. I'm sure we're gonna get some awesome
Speaker 3: guests for that one too, absolutely, or at least it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a great topic. Either way, it's always so
Speaker 3: much fun. Yeah, doing doing the live shows is like
Speaker 3: the most fun. So yeah, that being said, we're gonna
Speaker 3: get over to it. And uh, if you would leave
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Speaker 3: get pushed out to more people. If you want to
Speaker 3: help initiate your cousin, your friend, your co worker, your
Speaker 3: your mom, even, let's bring her in and you know,
Speaker 3: bring her into the conversation. Let's get weird, dude. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna get over the meditation now. And
Speaker 3: so with that being said, if optimistic Banks came here
Speaker 3: and he taught you anything, it's that you don't know
Speaker 3: what you don't know, So I don't just get weird.
Speaker 5: It stay weird.
Speaker 2: Inside your mind ordinary form because color soul stars line
Speaker 2: in the mental mysteries your fund All right, that was.
Speaker 5: A good one, yeah, man, that that seems like, uh,
Speaker 5: that is what you would hear if you were just
Speaker 5: able to all of a sudden be able to observe
Speaker 5: the mystery, you know what I mean. I feel like
Speaker 5: that's what I'm gonna start calling it. You know, that
Speaker 5: that unknown, that that thing that it seems like we're
Speaker 5: always searching for but can never never find because it's
Speaker 5: always just out of reach. You know.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, it's it's the dowel. You know, the dow
Speaker 3: that can be named is not the.
Speaker 5: Dowel exactly, yeah, exactly. And if you think about it,
Speaker 5: whenever you know you are looking into something, something you
Speaker 5: don't quite understand, it's it seems to be mysterious, and
Speaker 5: then you finally land on something that seems to really
Speaker 5: kind of hold water and it really makes sense and
Speaker 5: at least it's something that you can accept as your
Speaker 5: chosen subjective reality. At that point, it's no longer part
Speaker 5: of the mystery because now you understand it, you know,
Speaker 5: at least to your experience, Rightah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, what's funny is is that in
Speaker 3: that meditation, I was like, you know it. Sometimes it
Speaker 3: takes me a little bit longer. Sometimes I can get
Speaker 3: there really quick. At first, I actually thought that I
Speaker 3: was in meditation, like almost immediately, right. But then after
Speaker 3: a while, it was like another almost like a literal
Speaker 3: It felt like a literal wave washed over me, and
Speaker 3: it felt like I got pushed even deeper into it.
Speaker 3: Oh right, And and then I just started For some reason,
Speaker 3: I always think about like the Garden of Eden. I
Speaker 3: have no idea why, right, but you know, ever since Supermarke,
Speaker 3: he brought up the Archons and the Demiurge, and like that,
Speaker 3: I'd just been so immersed in that whole world and
Speaker 3: trying to understand the you know, the that whole story
Speaker 3: and and if you remember the Demiurge, whenever he was
Speaker 3: like I am God, and then there was another voice
Speaker 3: that whispered over him and basically just said no, you're
Speaker 3: not or something like that, right, yeah, And it made
Speaker 3: me think, like, you know, the people that go deep
Speaker 3: into meditation, they think that their thought and their voice
Speaker 3: in their head is would be like the God.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: And then I could imagine that like somebody getting a
Speaker 3: little cocky that way and saying, oh, well, this place,
Speaker 3: this treehouse, place that I get to, this has to
Speaker 3: be the voice of God. And then there's like another
Speaker 3: subtle little voice that says, but there's still something more
Speaker 3: over you in that sense, right, And that's kind of
Speaker 3: how I look at it, like that's I don't know,
Speaker 3: that's what was going on in my mind in that point.
Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty interesting. And that's how I
Speaker 3: feel about it. Like a lot of this spiritual stuff
Speaker 3: is that even when you think you know that you're
Speaker 3: absolutely right, there's still something extra that is there that's
Speaker 3: saying there's more and you don't have it all figured
Speaker 3: out yet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. I feel like that's going to be an
Speaker 5: ongoing struggle. You know, if we are in this reality
Speaker 5: of duality, you know, there's always going to be the tugging,
Speaker 5: you know, like Optimistic was speaking on as far as
Speaker 5: you know, the push and pull back and forth type
Speaker 5: of thing, you know. And I don't know, man, I
Speaker 5: find it very interesting. The thing that I that I've
Speaker 5: been really looking into or just really pondering, is, you know,
Speaker 5: how people, why is it that we tend to believe
Speaker 5: or or suspect rather you know, that there's something above
Speaker 5: us at all. You know, like I just get amazed
Speaker 5: at the fact that just on a physical aspect, you know,
Speaker 5: that atoms and things were put together in such a
Speaker 5: way from the universe, you know, being what it is,
Speaker 5: and now here we are contemplating it, you know, like
Speaker 5: the universe contemplating back to itself like that right there
Speaker 5: just strips me out.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, it's just like Bank said,
Speaker 3: and the whole idea around you know, Platonism in general
Speaker 3: is just contemplation and just contemplating on the next higher
Speaker 3: up level of you know, is that where I came from?
Speaker 5: And if I'm everything, then why is there's this extra shit?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, And it's funny you
Speaker 5: say that that the next level because in that meditation,
Speaker 5: I actually felt like this weird like sensation of like
Speaker 5: could you know, almost like I just went up like
Speaker 5: a flight of steps or something like that was super strange.
Speaker 3: But it just reminds me of like, you know, even
Speaker 3: the you know, let's say that there is a creator,
Speaker 3: you know, for that whole conversation, and I'm not one
Speaker 3: hundred percent sure. Maybe there's a creator. Maybe everything always
Speaker 3: existed all the time and there never was a beginning.
Speaker 3: I can honestly accept both. And but either way, like,
Speaker 3: let's say that there was one thing at the very beginning, right,
Speaker 3: and you know, call it the Big Bang, and it
Speaker 3: was the tiny atom that had so much energy that
Speaker 3: it just had to explode whatever. Right, if that's what
Speaker 3: it was, then you could imagine that, you know, like if,
Speaker 3: for a lack of a better term, we'll call it
Speaker 3: I don't want to say that, let's just call it
Speaker 3: the Source, right, And the Source was trying to figure
Speaker 3: out where the hell it came from, what its purpose is,
Speaker 3: trying to identify even what it is. It doesn't even
Speaker 3: know what the fuck it is, right, and so it
Speaker 3: explodes out into everything to try and really understand itself
Speaker 3: a little bit more from all these billions and trillions
Speaker 3: of different perspectives and everything, and just everybody is always
Speaker 3: staring in amazement about why am I here and what
Speaker 3: am I doing? And obviously that would be the same
Speaker 3: questions that even the Source would have, right, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think it's fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was contemplating also, you know, like thinking about if
Speaker 5: there is an infinite amount of versions of myself, you know.
Speaker 5: Then definitely there's a version of myself that is super
Speaker 5: hardcore religious, you know. And then I was trying to
Speaker 5: get into that mind, you know, and understanding like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: then this is how I would think, And of course
Speaker 5: I would try to get other people to believe what
Speaker 5: I believe because it's true, you know. And then I
Speaker 5: start to think about objective truth and subjective truth, and
Speaker 5: you know, maybe there's an an objective truth, but we'll
Speaker 5: never know it because we're always in a subjective uh
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying understanding of things. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's the beauty around a lot of the
Speaker 3: different things that we talk about, because you could look
Speaker 3: at any one of the things that we talk about
Speaker 3: and say, that's the truth, right. But I mean, I
Speaker 3: feel like by pointing to what the truth is, you're
Speaker 3: only discrediting everything that it everything else that it could
Speaker 3: be right, you know, exactly, because.
Speaker 5: Now it's no longer the mystery, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so, And and that's the crazy thing is, like,
Speaker 3: you know, they all kind of work, and they're just
Speaker 3: different ways of being able to look at the unidentifiable.
Speaker 5: Right, And that's why I feel like there's no point,
Speaker 5: you know, lately, I've been seeing a lot of debates,
Speaker 5: and I think it's just because it's what I've been
Speaker 5: looking into and just kind of giving into the minds
Speaker 5: of you know, people that think or believe something different
Speaker 5: than myself, and you know, I don't there's no point
Speaker 5: in trying to argue with somebody at least coming to
Speaker 5: the understanding that we've come to, you know, as of
Speaker 5: right now, is that everybody's right. What you believe in
Speaker 5: is is good for you and good for you, you know,
Speaker 5: and what I believe and what I think it could
Speaker 5: be it works for me and so good for me.
Speaker 3: I've come to the understanding that there's a better way
Speaker 3: to work around that. So and you know, especially you know,
Speaker 3: talking with Jacob every day for the cult, it's like,
Speaker 3: instead of declaring what something is and what something is
Speaker 3: in and saying that what you believe is wrong or
Speaker 3: what you believe is right or whatever, instead I have
Speaker 3: found myself just asking more questions to not only not
Speaker 3: only out of my own curiosity, but to make other
Speaker 3: people think a little bit more deeply about their own beliefs.
Speaker 3: So instead of making a statement, framing it as a
Speaker 3: question to make them go a little bit deeper into it.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm yeah. Thus, I mean then you have a
Speaker 5: better understanding as well, you know, about what somebody else believes.
Speaker 5: And I don't know, man, I think that's the way
Speaker 5: it's supposed to be. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that it's always better to be
Speaker 3: a little just to be more inquisitive than it is
Speaker 3: to be firm and and trying to say that, like
Speaker 3: what I say is absolutely right, Like nobody likes that
Speaker 3: kind of person across all aspects. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: a Cowboys fan can sit here and say the Cowboys
Speaker 3: are the greatest NFL team to ever exist. I'm going
Speaker 3: to disagree with that, you know, like just hand over fist.
Speaker 3: I'm going to disagree with that every time exactly. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean there's always ways. But instead of saying, no,
Speaker 3: the Cowboys suck, which they do. But instead of saying
Speaker 3: that no, they suck, be like can you point to
Speaker 3: like why are they the best of all time? And
Speaker 3: also if they're the best of all time, how come
Speaker 3: they haven't wont a playoff game? And like in my lifetime,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just curious, like, you know, just say
Speaker 3: frame it in that kind of sense and.
Speaker 5: That would be an objective truth. You know, everyone can
Speaker 5: agree on that, right, right. So I think they did
Speaker 5: win one playoff game in my life, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Not very many, but anyway, so yeah, I was just
Speaker 3: looking at the calendar and I realized that we do
Speaker 3: already have a guest for next next Wonder Wisday, and
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a good one.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 3: It's a brand new guest we haven't had on before.
Speaker 3: And if you want to go check her out, she's
Speaker 3: on TikTok. I found her on TikTok. I actually find
Speaker 3: most of the people on TikTok, Like most of the
Speaker 3: people we get on here are either on TikTok or Instagram,
Speaker 3: just because I'm always I always got that, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm always searching for the next guest or the next
Speaker 3: show idea, or you know, trying to find a little
Speaker 3: bit of influence from all the different reaches. And so
Speaker 3: this person, her name is never more Aries, and she's
Speaker 3: a witch and she dude, I'm telling you, she knows
Speaker 3: her shit. You like you can ask you'll be able
Speaker 3: to ask her anything like one of those kind of witches.
Speaker 3: And have we had a witch on the show, like
Speaker 3: an actual knowledgeable witch. I'm trying to think like we've
Speaker 3: had our wizards and our magician of course, yeah, of course,
Speaker 3: you know, but a witch witch, I don't think so, dude.
Speaker 5: I think we were supposed to at one point and
Speaker 5: I don't know what. I don't know what happened with that,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I think this will be our first.
Speaker 3: Well, dude, go check it out if you have TikTok.
Speaker 3: Her name is never more Areas, very knowledgeable, and you
Speaker 3: can just tell she lives that life, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Very intentional, very witchy. It's like Halloween every day,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I love it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're gonna do that, brit said. The work
Speaker 3: van that my father in law bought today, it just
Speaker 3: so happened to have thirty three thousand, three hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty three miles on it.
Speaker 5: Oh nice, heang A strong man is a strong fan.
Speaker 5: And my my car actually just went over two hundred
Speaker 5: thousand and just the other day I took a picture
Speaker 5: of it and it was two hundred thousand and fifty five.
Speaker 5: Oh that's kind of cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, Dudef, you can get two hundred thosand miles.
Speaker 4: In your car.
Speaker 5: You're doing something good. Yeah, man.
Speaker 3: So all right, well, I guess we'll wrap it up
Speaker 3: right there, and we will. We have some amazing shows
Speaker 3: coming up in the future. As I said that, we
Speaker 3: have the never More Aries. Actually the next is it
Speaker 3: the next episode, one of the next episodes that we're
Speaker 3: gonna have, not that I don't think it's the next one,
Speaker 3: but we're also getting Todd Cave back on the show
Speaker 3: here soon. We have never More Aries, we have and
Speaker 3: then not this. So the next one is the Witch,
Speaker 3: but the one after that is going to be the
Speaker 3: guy that gets his crew together, goes out and meditates
Speaker 3: in the desert and believes that he's talking to the
Speaker 3: Tall Whites. He's going to be coming on for the
Speaker 3: for the live show. So I'm just trying to get
Speaker 3: like a bunch of awesome individuals to come on and
Speaker 3: you know, kind of shed the different perspectives. The last
Speaker 3: thing we want to do is just turn this into
Speaker 3: some kind of echo chamber, which I believe that it's
Speaker 3: important to grasp all of them. You know, we've had
Speaker 3: you know, Christians on the show. We've had Muslims on
Speaker 3: the show. We've had magicians and wizards and you know,
Speaker 3: like all over the place, it's and and occultists and
Speaker 3: you know, spiritual people like optimistic and and and just
Speaker 3: trying to find whatever that underlying film of everything is.
Speaker 5: In that sense, man, I'm excited. I'm excited for things
Speaker 5: to come, man. And and that guess about the aliens, dude,
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, man, but I've been
Speaker 5: getting back into that mindset. I don't know if that's
Speaker 5: everybody or what, but uh, yeah, it's definitely coming back around.
Speaker 5: It has to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So all right, everybody, we will We will see
Speaker 3: y'all next Wednesday, and we love you, and we'll.
Speaker 5: See you on the flip side by.
Speaker 1: Voices, drift on winds unting where it's like spells that
Speaker 1: can't be made. Close your eyes and feel the sound
Speaker 1: journey where no bounds are found.
Speaker 2: Beside your mind, leave the ordinary far behind, the colors
Speaker 2: swell and stars alive in the mental mysteries, you'll find