Speaker 1: It was one of the best bits, uh that Demetri
Speaker 1: Martin never did. It's because at this party of the
Speaker 1: other this guy with a leather jacket. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that's cool. And then it was at this the same
Speaker 1: party and I saw a guy with a leather vest
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, that is not cool. And
Speaker 1: I learned in that moment what true cool really is
Speaker 1: leather sleeves, and that we'll go out to the uk
Speaker 1: WA Commas paring a hot lighter. Bring on, Cody Rourke,
Speaker 1: the owner of many leather sleeves. Cody, how you doing
Speaker 1: this evening?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I mention leather sleeves, I like,
Speaker 2: you know, final sleeves. I think that's you know, more appropriate.
Speaker 3: But off the step my name up then, Brian Edwards
Speaker 3: happy to hear you.
Speaker 1: I have the leather jackets I have. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've got, like, I think, a dozen leather jackets
Speaker 1: or so. When only a few pairs of leather pants,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what that's a totally different, right, That's it.
Speaker 1: That's the true Yeah, the leather pants. And I keep
Speaker 1: those two a minimum. I you know, just when I'm
Speaker 1: out there imitating Scott's stab or whatever, you know, ross
Speaker 1: from Friends. Yeah, right, Cody, we got a game coming
Speaker 1: up to look seminately winnable for the Denver Broncos and
Speaker 1: the Carol lot of Panthers, and you don't want to
Speaker 1: look past anything. But at the same time, by the
Speaker 1: same token, this figures to be something that they could
Speaker 1: potentially even rest players for given the three game stretch
Speaker 1: that will succeed this Panthers game.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, talking to guys in the
Speaker 2: locker room, you know, they're certainly not looking past anybody.
Speaker 2: You know, it is any given Sunday, And I think
Speaker 2: that a team like Carolina, as bad as they're playing,
Speaker 2: with all the stuff that they got going against them
Speaker 2: right now, there's a little dangerous. And obviously, with Bryce
Speaker 2: Young getting a chance to get back in the starting
Speaker 2: line up, for him, it's an audition to say, hey, like,
Speaker 2: you know what, if it's not going to be here,
Speaker 2: let me make my case to maybe end up somewhere else.
Speaker 2: And certainly this could be a game you come out
Speaker 2: and you get off to a hot start against one
Speaker 2: of the NFL's top passing defense is one of the
Speaker 2: top defenses in the league, right now certainly could change
Speaker 2: that conversation, So definitely you can't overlook them. But I
Speaker 2: mean you're right the upcoming stretch that's that's coming up
Speaker 2: here after Carolina, I mean, two straight games on the
Speaker 2: road Mountain time kickoffs, one against Baltimore, one against Kansas City,
Speaker 2: and then obviously you're going to come back and host
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons, a former friend Justin Simmons's three games
Speaker 2: stretch right there, and well, it's not going to be easy,
Speaker 2: but definitely you want to go into that Baltimore game
Speaker 2: hive and three instead of four and four.
Speaker 3: I think only on that day will he be a
Speaker 3: former friend Justin Simmons. I think he's still very much
Speaker 3: a friend of Broncos country. But Cody the one thing
Speaker 3: that we've seen this year to this point, it's only
Speaker 3: been a couple of times, but against lesser teams, and
Speaker 3: it was certainly a JV unit that they saw in
Speaker 3: New Orleans as well as as banged up with the Raiders.
Speaker 3: The Raiders were, plus the Devonte Adams drama. That this
Speaker 3: Broncos team took care of business and one effectively and
Speaker 3: was able to get off the field and obviously make
Speaker 3: plays on defense to help propel things. So what do
Speaker 3: you think has changed this year? Because the same coaching
Speaker 3: staff and all that, obviously a different quarterback, what has
Speaker 3: changed in general about this team that's allowed them to
Speaker 3: win easily in the couple of games where they should
Speaker 3: have won easily because in the past that hasn't always
Speaker 3: been the case. I guess say, for well, yeah, and
Speaker 3: let's look last year at the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think I think a great example.
Speaker 2: I think there has been a little bit of a
Speaker 2: transformation inside the team culture. And you know, you've got
Speaker 2: new voices that have emerged this season and obvious need
Speaker 2: some surprises. And I think if we all would have
Speaker 2: said when the off season happened, after the team released
Speaker 2: Justin Simmons and you know, we're like, okay, hey, now
Speaker 2: they're fully embracing the rebuild here, if you would have
Speaker 2: said that, hey, defensively, they're going to be even better
Speaker 2: next year than they are right now, I think we
Speaker 2: would have been skeptical saying, Okay, how's that going to
Speaker 2: be the case, because there are so many questions who's
Speaker 2: going to be the corner opposite of Patzertan. You know what,
Speaker 2: what's never going to do to address the front seven.
Speaker 2: I think the additions they've made Malcolm Coach has been huge.
Speaker 2: I think John Franklin Myers, I mean how they got
Speaker 2: him from New York, has been a complete still this season,
Speaker 2: and obviously got John Cooper played well. Nick Bonito really
Speaker 2: once again picking up on the strong pace he kind
Speaker 2: of played with last year here. Now he's starting, he's
Speaker 2: emerging that role, even with the return of Baron Browning.
Speaker 2: I just think that this team's mentality is different. You had,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of young guys here that you
Speaker 2: don't want to continue to play here in Denver. But
Speaker 2: more important is another you're an assistem more comfortability, and
Speaker 2: now you have guys that can maybe do a little
Speaker 2: bit more. You got a secondary that can play more
Speaker 2: a Manda Man coverage, the where you can send more crushers.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna get to the point, like it's
Speaker 2: so fun right now when you're watching them. They even
Speaker 2: got Malcolm Roaches dropping back into coverage from playing a
Speaker 2: three technique sometimes, so there it just seems like a
Speaker 2: different vibe with this team, of different energy and what
Speaker 2: is it. John Bruden on his YouTube channel said that
Speaker 2: you know he called the defense the anonymous crush because
Speaker 2: you never know who's going to step up this week
Speaker 2: and make plays. I think that this team's got a
Speaker 2: lot of anonymous donors because everyone's contributing, and I think
Speaker 2: that's definitely a promising sign to see.
Speaker 4: You know, one of the interesting things coming up here
Speaker 4: is how you keep this assembledg of talent together. You
Speaker 4: got two edge rushers do up for contract, John Cooper,
Speaker 4: Baron Browning. It feels like there's an odd man out
Speaker 4: with Nick Benito still in a rookie deal in drafting
Speaker 4: of Joan Allis.
Speaker 1: Do you think they'll be able to keep both?
Speaker 4: And if you don't, which of the two Ohio State
Speaker 4: products are you letting go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's a tough one. I mean I like
Speaker 2: both John to Cooper and Baron Brunn and obviously playing
Speaker 2: the high level right now, and he's kind of main
Speaker 2: a Nesson's taken on the starting job last year. I
Speaker 2: think he's been one of the areas he wanted to work on.
Speaker 2: Is obviously maintaining edge contain a little bit more appointed
Speaker 2: well against the run Nick than Needle as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: going to Jonathan Cooper is playing I mean, he's the
Speaker 2: guy that, right now you got to play. And I
Speaker 2: think the only thing that's working as a negative right
Speaker 2: now against Aaron Browning is the fact that availability the
Speaker 2: last couple of years has been dealing with injuries and
Speaker 2: some things that have just been kind of unfortunate out
Speaker 2: of the move for him. I'd say more pressure is
Speaker 2: probably him than it is Jonathan Cooper. And look, maybe
Speaker 2: there is a situation where George Payton says, hey, we're
Speaker 2: going to keep you all here and we're going to
Speaker 2: have an extensive rotation. Then you have Drew Sanders said
Speaker 2: to return at some point from Hitpotilles injury. So I mean,
Speaker 2: how does that rotation work in that room? Obviously Dondre
Speaker 2: Tillman's on active roster right now, but I just think
Speaker 2: the vision of his team is trying to it's still
Speaker 2: being painted in terms of the personnel where they're planning
Speaker 2: to go. It's not just about to compete next year.
Speaker 2: They want to win some games this year. They want
Speaker 2: to change the narrative a little bit. So I think
Speaker 2: that's a good expectation to have. But I think that
Speaker 2: right now, Johnathan Cooper's probably been a one guy. It's
Speaker 2: probably more in line right now to get a contract.
Speaker 3: Do you see a scenario where because Baron Browning and
Speaker 3: you were standing there just like I was Cody when
Speaker 3: we asked him about his goals, he said, I just
Speaker 3: want to play seventeen games. Obviously that isn't going to
Speaker 3: happen this year that you're gonna pay Cooper, you know,
Speaker 3: probably not top flight money. I guess Benito gets interesting
Speaker 3: the morning, racks up sacks terns what you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to pay him just because of the market, but where
Speaker 3: they have Cooper and Browning back, because Browning's gonna have
Speaker 3: to sign either a one year deal or a three
Speaker 3: year eighteen million, you know, or something that's a little
Speaker 3: more reasonable because he hasn't proven that he can stay healthy.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, I could see that being a possibility.
Speaker 2: And look, I know, I know the Bronco was like
Speaker 2: Baron Browning. I know Sean Payton likes Baron Browning. He's
Speaker 2: taking on a little bit more of a bigger leadership
Speaker 2: all the year. Like Barren's always been kind of this
Speaker 2: quiet guy, you know, kind of to himself, leads by example,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of taken on a little bit more
Speaker 2: of that role. I think in his offseason. According to
Speaker 2: Peyton when we spoke to him at OTAs, I mean
Speaker 2: Baron in a position where yet you know, maybe you
Speaker 2: do get a proved deal. You know, those are popular
Speaker 2: right now in today's game, and obviously we're looking at
Speaker 2: the different depreciation values of several positions. We're seeing it
Speaker 2: now coming back, We're seeing it now and I think
Speaker 2: more recently with the safety position. Path rusher is always
Speaker 2: a premium right now, and you know you have to
Speaker 2: find a way to get to a quarterback. I mean
Speaker 2: Sean Payton talked about it today how important it is
Speaker 2: for them to disrupt the quarterback or to disrupt the pocket,
Speaker 2: and I think that's just a big key there, and
Speaker 2: you have to have in ways because injuries do happen unfortunately.
Speaker 2: You see a lot of it at the edge rusher position.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, Baron's just in a position now
Speaker 2: where hey, if there is an injury, he's back from
Speaker 2: the starting lineup. But obviously your I see the future.
Speaker 2: Jonah Ellis has been very impressive, Andre Tillman has been impressive,
Speaker 2: and obviously still Drew Sanders, so I could see a
Speaker 2: proved deal for him on a one year and I
Speaker 2: could see a three year one for Cooper. I think
Speaker 2: it's probably more realistic one that we do see would
Speaker 2: Roarc Cody.
Speaker 1: It's you know, we talked about the edge rushers there
Speaker 1: and what they're gonna have to do. So trade deadline approaching,
Speaker 1: I don't think that the Broncos are going to be
Speaker 1: hyperactive with the trade deadline.
Speaker 4: I think if the right tight end came available at
Speaker 4: the right price, then then maybe you make a move there.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't really feel like buyers are sellers at
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. You see anything different out there?
Speaker 3: Not really.
Speaker 2: I think the vibe is that Denver and Sean kind
Speaker 2: of hit it as well. I mean, he made the
Speaker 2: whole homecoming reference. There's feelers the teams put out. I'm
Speaker 2: sure teams are going to call Denver. I'm sure San
Speaker 2: Francisco may even called Denver about Courtland Sutton that could
Speaker 2: have possibly had on the Brandon and Iyu's thing. But
Speaker 2: I would say that I don't think that Denver's going
Speaker 2: to be serious movers at this point. I mean even
Speaker 2: last year when they were where they were at the
Speaker 2: trade deadline, considering their record and the struggles that they
Speaker 2: had they still decided not become sellers. They decided a
Speaker 2: hold on hold firm. And then you know, you go
Speaker 2: on a little bit of a run. You have some
Speaker 2: different development storylines, some young guys emerging there. You get
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a clear picture because they
Speaker 2: were Champagne's first year and now it's going to say, hey,
Speaker 2: this is the type of ross I can work with.
Speaker 2: These are the guys I can work with. These are
Speaker 2: the guys that I'm not going to be able to
Speaker 2: work with. I don't see Denver doing it. And the question,
Speaker 2: to everyone's wondering, you know, is tight end? The issue
Speaker 2: I think that we have with that position is, of
Speaker 2: course never right now is one of the lowest targeted
Speaker 2: tight end groups in the NFL in comparison to everybody else.
Speaker 2: Is adding a guy? Who is the right guy? What
Speaker 2: does the right guy look like? You know, I think
Speaker 2: people throwing out David and Joki or the Browns want
Speaker 2: to part with him to AFC West, I mean an
Speaker 2: AFC rival. Maybe maybe not, but also it's the acclamation, Okay,
Speaker 2: can a new guy come in and learn a Sean
Speaker 2: Payton offense that you know, we all know can be
Speaker 2: complex at times how much of that is going to
Speaker 2: impact because you signed a guy in the off season
Speaker 2: who you know has got some flash to him, and
Speaker 2: obviously six foot eight Donald Parum Junior hadn't been called
Speaker 2: up yet, So Denver group of a spark at tight end.
Speaker 2: It seems that they're really trying to roll with Lucas
Speaker 2: Croles that receiving option while still going with heavy run
Speaker 2: support with Adam Shoutman and Nate Adkins. I think they're
Speaker 2: content with what they have right now, and free agency
Speaker 2: is probab gonna be where they're probably the most active.
Speaker 3: As I was looking at possible tight ends other than Parum,
Speaker 3: who you would like to see maybe get some run
Speaker 3: or just get the ball to Lucas Croll when he's open.
Speaker 3: The names that popped into my head and I want
Speaker 3: to go look at his contract. With where things are headed,
Speaker 3: I get the Jags had a nice pig win the
Speaker 3: other day. Why not at least call on having Ingram.
Speaker 3: He's already got the bolk of his money on his
Speaker 3: new deal up front, and it's a three year, forty
Speaker 3: one million dollar deal from Jacksonville, so you're paying whatever
Speaker 3: is left of this year and then you could actually
Speaker 3: even get out if you wanted to. But if not,
Speaker 3: you're paying him sixteen million next year, which might be
Speaker 3: a lot, but they're going a lot more room. Is
Speaker 3: that an Ingram name that does anything for you? That
Speaker 3: might be even easier to get than the Joku?
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like Ingram probably fits the definition of
Speaker 2: that joker type role more so than I think you know,
Speaker 2: David and Joku would. And look, obviously that position is
Speaker 2: a ball for Sean over the years. You know was
Speaker 2: take some one year album Kamara. You know, different guys,
Speaker 2: different skill sets. Reggie Bush, usually the tailback has a
Speaker 2: little bit more of a perplexed role, and now Denver
Speaker 2: just doesn't have that. And I also think the challenge,
Speaker 2: especially people say, well, you know, look a look at
Speaker 2: the NFL draft and try to get a college sight end.
Speaker 2: The problem with that, a lot of these tight ends
Speaker 2: never play in line with their hand in the dirt anymore,
Speaker 2: so they might as well just become receivers. That's really
Speaker 2: what Greg Dolsich was doing at the first part of
Speaker 2: the season. They tried to around some motion plays to
Speaker 2: you know, kick out some guys, and that's where he
Speaker 2: shows he's struggled in the blocking department, and that's why
Speaker 2: he's not there right now, so he's not getting playing
Speaker 2: time unfortunately. So you go with the guy like Lucas
Speaker 2: Cool who can walk. He's a bigger body, but he's
Speaker 2: also you know, an athletic receiver type that can help
Speaker 2: things out. Evan Ingram would be I think a nice
Speaker 2: addition alongside a guy like Kroll. If you're talking about
Speaker 2: getting into two receiving tight end sets, I mean, I
Speaker 2: would like that. Is Jacksonville willing to do that right now? Maybe?
Speaker 2: Maybe not. That is one of the hardest teams right
Speaker 2: now to read, especially after they gave Trevor Lawrence, you know,
Speaker 2: a mega contract there. He needs weapons, you know, you
Speaker 2: need to be able to do that. And obviously they
Speaker 2: got a little bit of an emergency with paying Biggs
Speaker 2: be on the ground in terms of their run game,
Speaker 2: but you need obviously receiving talent there. I don't think
Speaker 2: they have the best right now, and Jacksonville Evan Ingram
Speaker 2: might be their best.
Speaker 4: Speaking of the run game, the Broncos largely been successful
Speaker 4: when they commit to the ground game, largely been unsuccessful
Speaker 4: when they've not done that thus far.
Speaker 1: Can we expect Sean.
Speaker 4: Payton to put aside his base or instincts and continue
Speaker 4: to run, ground and pound with a football team that's
Speaker 4: frankly designed for it at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's an emphasis there.
Speaker 1: I think the herd.
Speaker 2: Balance with Sean, just from looking at it is, obviously
Speaker 2: you have a quarterback who you know can build the ball.
Speaker 2: I think when when Bow's feet are set and there's
Speaker 2: a clean pocket at times like I'm not worry as
Speaker 2: much about Bo's rip or delivery. It's a you know,
Speaker 2: when you have a false sense of pressure at times,
Speaker 2: or when there is pressure, you know, sometimes your mechanics
Speaker 2: away from me. Obviously, Sean talked about some of the
Speaker 2: things that they coach obviously the quarterbacks on in terms
Speaker 2: of footwork, mirroring it with the routes. I think the
Speaker 2: run game is their identity. And look, it's nice to
Speaker 2: see Javonte rattling off some big runs. Joel McLaughlin almost
Speaker 2: brook one for a touchdown against New Orleans. Good, good speed,
Speaker 2: change of plays. And it also Denver's blocking is, you know,
Speaker 2: on the perimeter with the receivers. The tight end has
Speaker 2: been good, the offensive line is coming off. I think
Speaker 2: they're best overall game this season, it's just trying to
Speaker 2: find consistency there because against the charters, they would have
Speaker 2: one or two plays where something could have opened up,
Speaker 2: but one miss block led to a tackle for a
Speaker 2: loss or a guy leaking through and making the play
Speaker 2: bounce to the outside. I think it's just consistency factor there.
Speaker 2: But this team, I think Ben and obviously DK, I
Speaker 2: think the offense will open up more if the run
Speaker 2: game is the emphasis for them, and then you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily have to put so much in a rookie quarterback
Speaker 2: to go out there and make a lot of players,
Speaker 2: which he's making right now. I think we're very pleased
Speaker 2: with what Bo's at. You want to find some more
Speaker 2: consistency in some areas, but the run game I think
Speaker 2: is the identity of this team and it'll make everything
Speaker 2: easier for both in the offense.
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