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<v Speaker 1>For members only. Golf Smarter number three hundred and sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>published on January twenty nine, twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>The first time I ever tested this, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really know what I was doing at the time, but

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<v Speaker 3>I was giving a lesson and we were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>what makes the ball break more and what makes the

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<v Speaker 3>ball break lesson the guy looks at me because you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, I would really like to know exactly how much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I know what breaks more, but what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Does that mean three feet or two feet or twelve inches?

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<v Speaker 3>So I basically use the same computer software that does

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<v Speaker 3>the line for TV, and I just had to spit

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<v Speaker 3>out all these numbers, and I took it out and

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<v Speaker 3>tested it, and I only did basic average two percent slow.

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<v Speaker 3>And I went out and played eighteen holes and I

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<v Speaker 3>think I had eleven putts on the front and fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>putts on the back, and I had never ever been

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<v Speaker 3>below thirty putts. I never made anything outside ten feet.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I made two or the three putts outside

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen feet. I made a lot more five six seven footers,

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<v Speaker 3>and I remember just thinking, Wow, there's really something to this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really understand it yet, I don't really know

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<v Speaker 3>how to use it yet, but just the first time

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<v Speaker 3>I ever tried it, I could not believe how much

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<v Speaker 3>better my putting was, just knowing what the proper.

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<v Speaker 4>Break was, how the aim point putting system works. With

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<v Speaker 4>Mark Sweety, this is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to Golf

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<v Speaker 4>Smarter for members only.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks Fred, and thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You again for agreeing to come in for part two

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<v Speaker 1>of this, because you know, we talked about the history

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<v Speaker 1>of it, how you got it started, and what you

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<v Speaker 1>did with it. But now, like, what's in.

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<v Speaker 3>It for me? Dude? What's in it for me? What's

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<v Speaker 3>in it for you?

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<v Speaker 1>As a golfer.

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<v Speaker 3>As a golfer, you and I are kind of the same.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we're both we don't play enough golf. We're amateurs.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't come from the golf industry. What's in it

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<v Speaker 3>for us is that you can actually learn very easily

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<v Speaker 3>how to actually regreens. And you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 3>big problems I actually my inspiration for starting all this

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<v Speaker 3>was I went to my instructor at the time and

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<v Speaker 3>I was, you know, a terrible putter, and I just said,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you learn to regreens? And his answer was, well,

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<v Speaker 3>just do it a lot and you'll get better. And

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that went through my head.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the age of technology.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, at the time, I was probably you know, mid thirties.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't have a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, if I play once a week, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a great week. I don't have time. And I know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know tour players who are forty and they still

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<v Speaker 3>don't understand greens. How do I ever possibly think I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to get this? And it just completely, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>frustrated me. And you know, my technical side is when well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not good enough. It can't be that difficult. It

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<v Speaker 3>just can't be that difficult to figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>When you said you were in your mid thirties, you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about your age or your handicap.

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<v Speaker 3>My age. Yes, I didn't start playing golf at five

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<v Speaker 3>like most tour players, you know, I started golf at

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<v Speaker 3>the thirty or late twenties, and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>just that just doesn't work for me, don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>accept that, do you.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let's pursue this. How does this work? How

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<v Speaker 1>is this going to make me a better putter? And

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<v Speaker 1>then we have a long No one simple, I want detail.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a long time to talk about this. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get into detail with.

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<v Speaker 3>This, okay. So reading greens is very simple because there's

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<v Speaker 3>a few factors that completely control break, or at least

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<v Speaker 3>ninety seven ninety eight percent. Break is controlled by gravity.

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<v Speaker 3>Gravity is a consistent force everywhere in the world. Everywhere

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<v Speaker 3>you go, it's always the same. And so if you

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<v Speaker 3>understand a few basic rules, you can very very accurately

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<v Speaker 3>predict what the ball is going to do ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's really you know, if you think about high

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<v Speaker 3>school physics, If you hold a ball up at your

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<v Speaker 3>shoulder and you drop it, how long is it takes

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<v Speaker 3>hit the ground? Well, it takes about a half a

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<v Speaker 3>second every time you do it. Everywhere in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>If I hold both my arms out at shoulder height

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<v Speaker 3>and drop two balls, they hit the ground at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time. There's no question whatsoever, that that's always what's

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen. Now, for some reason, you get on

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<v Speaker 3>the putting green and people say, yeah, but the ball

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<v Speaker 3>breaks uphill in Indio in palm desert. Well, no, it's

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<v Speaker 3>to think about what you're saying. If you actually think

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<v Speaker 3>the ball breaks uphill, what you're saying is gravity. The

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<v Speaker 3>force of gravity reverses.

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<v Speaker 1>Itself in palm desert. That makes sense, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Palm does that make sense? Or wherever you go, And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just not possible. It's physically impossible for

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<v Speaker 3>gravity not to have the same effect. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some very intelligent people will say, yeah, but it's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit different in certain parts of the world. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's minutely different, but not enough for us to tell

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<v Speaker 3>the difference putting a ball. So anyway, long story short,

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<v Speaker 3>is the first thing we do is we just teach

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<v Speaker 3>golfers here's what controls break and believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 3>I've asked that question to just about every student I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever had, and everybody from new golfers, the tour players,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe one in two hundred people will give you

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<v Speaker 3>a fairly close answer, maybe one to two hundred, and

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<v Speaker 3>tour players even at tour player level. You say, what

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<v Speaker 3>causes break? They don't really know. I mean they know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's slope and it's gravity, but that's that's where it ends.

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<v Speaker 3>There's nothing more specific than that. And that's not enough information.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know more information. Yes, I know, if

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<v Speaker 3>their slope, the ball may or may not break. It

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<v Speaker 3>may break a little, it might break a lot. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's not good enough. I need to know from I

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<v Speaker 3>have a ten foot putt, is a break one inch

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<v Speaker 3>or or thirty six inches? How do I know that?

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<v Speaker 3>And so what we do is we just start off

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<v Speaker 3>in the beginning, Well, what causes break? Well, if the

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<v Speaker 3>ball is tilted to the side, then it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>fall to the side. So literally, just imagine taking a

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<v Speaker 3>ball and tilting it to the left. What's it going

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<v Speaker 3>to do. It's going to roll to the left.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, what does that mean? Well, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean tilt a ball to the left.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, imagine if you put a ball on a table, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and you just tilt the table to the left, the

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<v Speaker 3>ball is going to roll to the left.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, not the ball, but the where the ball is sitting.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, yeah, the ground that the surface of the

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<v Speaker 3>ball is touching and it's tilted to the side, then

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<v Speaker 3>the ball will roll off to the side. Okay, And

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<v Speaker 3>that's it. That's what break is. Break It fundamentally is

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<v Speaker 3>just the ball falling sideways. So you can tilt the

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<v Speaker 3>ball forward or backwards, like if you're going straight up

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<v Speaker 3>the hill or straight down a hill, in which case

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<v Speaker 3>it might go faster or slower. But it's not breaking,

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<v Speaker 3>is it. It's it's it's rolling straight. The minute I

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<v Speaker 3>tilt the ball or the surface to the left or

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<v Speaker 3>to the right, it will the ball will fall to

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<v Speaker 3>the side.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do you determine how much? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the next piece. So the first part is

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<v Speaker 3>why does the ball break break being defined? Has the

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<v Speaker 3>ball falling sideways or laterally? Well, it falls the side

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<v Speaker 3>because it's tilted to the side. Well, how much tilt

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<v Speaker 3>there is and how long the ball is rolling determines

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<v Speaker 3>exactly how much break there is. Okay. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>tilt the ball forty five degrees to the left and

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<v Speaker 3>let it roll for two seconds, it's going to break

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<v Speaker 3>x amount. And that's just math. It's just pure your physics,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, high school physics. A ball rolling down an

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<v Speaker 3>inclined plane will roll a certain distance or break a

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<v Speaker 3>certain amount. So now that sounds complicated, but the way

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<v Speaker 3>it actually works as a golfer is very simple. There's

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<v Speaker 3>three things I have to know to exactly predict break.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to know how long the putt is, five, ten,

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen feet, whatever, how the length of the putt. I

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<v Speaker 3>have to know how steep the slope is that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>putting across. And then finally I have to know what

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<v Speaker 3>angle I'm putting across the slope. And you can do

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<v Speaker 3>all those in five to ten seconds. Literally, just distance

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<v Speaker 3>is easy. I walk up to the putt, it's fifteen feet, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>no problem. Now what do I have to do? I

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<v Speaker 3>have to find the true direction of the slope. I

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<v Speaker 3>have to estimate how steep it is, which is actually

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<v Speaker 3>much easier than people think. And then I simply look

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<v Speaker 3>at the ball and see what angle it's rolling. Is

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<v Speaker 3>it rolling straight up the slope or is a rolling

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<v Speaker 3>ninety degrees directly across the slope. And then those three

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<v Speaker 3>things translate into a specific break amount. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ten feet across an average slope, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be six inches fifteen feet It's going to break twelve inches.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just pure math.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what is that formula that you said six inches?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the formula, the formula, the actual formula is very complicated,

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<v Speaker 3>but you, as a player, you don't need to know that.

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<v Speaker 3>So what we do is we give you basically a

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<v Speaker 3>chart where you just look up. It looks like a

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<v Speaker 3>clock face. Roughly, you just say, here's my ball. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>putting twenty feet across this slope at at ninety degrees,

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<v Speaker 3>so directly across the slope. If it's a flat slope,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll break seven inches. If it's an average slope, it'll

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<v Speaker 3>break seventeen inches. And you're literally just looking up the number.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not doing any math yourself at all. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>pre printed. It's like me saying, here's a chart. If

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<v Speaker 3>you drop the ball from three feet, it'll take x

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<v Speaker 3>amount of time. If you drop it from ten feet,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll break y amount of time. It's just a look up.

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<v Speaker 3>So the skill as a golfer is finding slope. It's

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<v Speaker 3>really just all about finding slope. Because if I can

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<v Speaker 3>find the slope, in other words, which way is it

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<v Speaker 3>pointing and how steep it is, then the break is

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<v Speaker 3>just plug in play. It's very very straightforward if you

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<v Speaker 3>can find slope. So the biggest thing we teach is

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<v Speaker 3>here's how you find slope.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you come across a long putt with multiple breaks.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you just break it up into pieces. So if

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<v Speaker 3>I have a double breaking putt, I'll break it up

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<v Speaker 3>into let's say two to three pieces and just read

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<v Speaker 3>each piece and add them up. And even that, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I could, I could. You know, I could read

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<v Speaker 3>a seventy foot putt in thirty to forty seconds, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean down to the inch, no matter, no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>How good have you become at putting since you've started this?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the first time I ever tested this, and I

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<v Speaker 3>but I was giving a lesson and we were talking about, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what makes the ball break more? And what breaks the

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<v Speaker 3>like to know exactly how much? Like, Yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 3>what breaks more? But what does that mean? Does that

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<v Speaker 3>mean feet or two feet or twelve inches? So I

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<v Speaker 3>basically used the same computer software that does the line

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<v Speaker 3>these numbers, and I took it out and tested it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I only did one slope, So I just did

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<v Speaker 3>a basic average two and a half. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a two percent slope. And I went out and played

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen holes, and I think I had eleven puts on

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<v Speaker 3>had never ever, ever been below thirty putts, and I

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<v Speaker 3>never made anything outside ten feet. I think I made

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<v Speaker 3>two or three puts outside fifteen feet, made a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more five six seven footers, And I remember just thinking, Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know how to use it yet. But

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<v Speaker 3>just the first time I ever tried it, I could

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<v Speaker 3>not believe how much better my putting was. Just knowing

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<v Speaker 3>what the proper brake was. How much should this ball break? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>if you ask most people, they just go, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'll just look at it and take my

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<v Speaker 3>best gass. Well, there's actually a very very clear formula.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't like to use the word formulacause you're math,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's a very clear relationship between slope and break,

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<v Speaker 3>and so if you understand the slope. The brake is

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<v Speaker 3>very simple because I basically just you know, the software

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<v Speaker 3>will the physics engine will tell you what the break is.

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<v Speaker 3>This pre printed chart we have to I'll just tell

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<v Speaker 3>you this putt will break twenty inches, this put will

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<v Speaker 3>break six Ince is based on how long the putt is,

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<v Speaker 3>how much slope, and finally what angle you're putting across

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<v Speaker 1>Are there no other X factors involved? I would think

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<v Speaker 1>that there are numerous. Well, there are factors involved actors.

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<v Speaker 3>So green speed is very important, so you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do right first.

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<v Speaker 3>One important so as green speed gets faster, the ball

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<v Speaker 3>breaks more. So for example, if I asked you, why

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<v Speaker 3>does a plot break more at stimp twelve then doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>stamp eight? What would you say? Because this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's moving faster.

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<v Speaker 3>The ball's moving faster.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, do that again?

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<v Speaker 3>What so the green ball, a putt on a fast green,

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<v Speaker 3>breaks more than a putt on a slow green. Okay

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<v Speaker 3>A right, So part of you know our education is

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<v Speaker 3>well why is that? Yes, we all kind of experienced that,

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<v Speaker 3>but why.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to answer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to let you do that the answer is simple,

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<v Speaker 3>because the ball is rolling for longer the ball, putt

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<v Speaker 3>takes more time. So anything that increases the time of

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<v Speaker 3>a putt increases the break. So what increases time green

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<v Speaker 3>speed changes the time of a putt. The length of

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<v Speaker 3>the putt changes the time of the putt. How hard

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<v Speaker 3>you hit the putt changes the time of a putt.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's all really boils down to time. So you're

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<v Speaker 3>just you're tilting the ball sideways and you're rolling it

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<v Speaker 3>for a certain amount of time, and that equals break. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so how do we use that. We set the green speed.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say it's running ten today, okay, so our green

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<v Speaker 3>speed's ten. The only the biggest other factor is really wind.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yes, there's pitch marks and potential imperfections to green,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's nothing you can do about that anyway. It's

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<v Speaker 3>completely out of your control. So what we do is say,

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<v Speaker 3>here's how much the ball should break. The imperfections you

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<v Speaker 3>can't control them anyway, and in my experiences, they rarely

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<v Speaker 3>really cause you to miss a putt. They might deflect

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<v Speaker 3>the ball a little bit, but it's not enough that

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<v Speaker 3>you can really get worked up about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I learned this method, this system, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you call it a method or a system.

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<v Speaker 3>I call it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry you what.

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<v Speaker 3>I've called it both before. Yeah, it's it's it's a method,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's also really a curriculum. I mean, there there's

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<v Speaker 3>a that says here A plus B plus C equals break.

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<v Speaker 3>But but it's you know, any point is more than

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<v Speaker 3>just the method it's teaching you. It's really it's a curriculum,

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<v Speaker 3>like any subject in school's a curriculum. How much do

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<v Speaker 3>you want to know about green reading? We can do

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<v Speaker 3>everything from very basics. Here's how much you know a

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<v Speaker 3>ten foot putt breaks to really understanding you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>underlying geometry or break, which gets you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 3>PhD level. But you can take it as far as

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<v Speaker 3>you want to take it, you know, like like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like finance or like geometry or like you know, art history,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is. You can go as deep as you want.

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<v Speaker 3>But you really only need a couple hours to have

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<v Speaker 3>a really pretty fundamental understanding of break and to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to use it as a player.

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you use it as a player? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you do you when you're on the course, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you use it?

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<v Speaker 3>So the process is this, you have a putt. First

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<v Speaker 3>question is how long is the putt. You can determine

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<v Speaker 3>that just walking up to it. Some people walk their

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<v Speaker 3>putts off, which is fine, but just you need to

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<v Speaker 3>have some pretty good estimation of how long the putt is.

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<v Speaker 3>So you do that walking up to the putt. And

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<v Speaker 3>then my process is is, let's say have a twenty

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<v Speaker 3>foot putt, you walk up to it, and you find

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<v Speaker 3>the slope using your feel. So we use very very

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<v Speaker 3>little vision in our Green rating. Use vision for how

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<v Speaker 3>long the putt is, and you use vision for seeing

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<v Speaker 3>what angle you're putting across the slope. But finding this

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<v Speaker 3>slope itself is ninety nine percent feel based. So we're

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<v Speaker 3>actually a lot of times when we train people as

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<v Speaker 3>we shut down their eyes, we make them close their

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<v Speaker 3>eyes and find slope only using their sense of feel

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<v Speaker 3>and their sense of balance. And when you do that

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<v Speaker 3>to somebody, they usually find it correctly every single time.

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<v Speaker 3>The hard part was with using your vision is that

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<v Speaker 3>vision is interpretive of slope, so it's trying to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out slope based on the horizon and buildings and trees

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<v Speaker 3>and vertical references, and it's not accurate. So if you've

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<v Speaker 3>ever been into a funhouse. You know how easy it

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<v Speaker 3>is to trick yourself and fall on your face because

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<v Speaker 3>they take everything and they skew the angles and you

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<v Speaker 3>really can't quite figure out what's up and what's down.

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<v Speaker 3>So we just take out of the equation. We say

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to look for slope, We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>feel slope. And once you've done that, you're ninety percent

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<v Speaker 3>done with your read.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you're saying now, I'm still I want

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<v Speaker 1>to define that when you say feel is like not

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<v Speaker 1>with their hands. They're not crawling around on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>are they.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just walking. When you walk, your body is automatically

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<v Speaker 3>adjusting the slope constantly, otherwise you'd fall on your face.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And you're doing this with your eyes closed.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of times we train with your eyes closed.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean when you're actually playing, you you know you

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<v Speaker 3>don't do it with your eyes closed, But we want

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<v Speaker 3>to activate your sense of feel because your body has

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<v Speaker 3>a built in. You know, on your iPhone there's an

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<v Speaker 3>accelerometer which basically tells it if it's tilted left, right,

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<v Speaker 3>up or down. Well, he has that built in, so

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<v Speaker 3>you learn it when you're an infant and your mom

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<v Speaker 3>puts you down and sits you in a sitting position.

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<v Speaker 3>You fall in your face or you're fall in the

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<v Speaker 3>back of your head, and your body learns how to

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<v Speaker 3>keep itself upright. Well. When we're walking around during the day,

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<v Speaker 3>we're always walking on tilted surfaces, whether it's your driveway

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<v Speaker 3>or the golf course or a staircase, whatever, your body

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<v Speaker 3>is constantly adjusting to an uneven surface. And it's very, very,

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<v Speaker 3>very highly developed, and it's largely conscious because we do

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<v Speaker 3>it so much. But we can use that same that

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<v Speaker 3>same sense to find slope on a golf green. So

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<v Speaker 3>we teach you is to learn by basically feeling. You're

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<v Speaker 3>in your feet and you in your your sense of

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<v Speaker 3>balance where is the slope. So if you stand across

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<v Speaker 3>the slope, you can sense that. If you know your

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<v Speaker 3>right foot's high and your left pots slow, you can

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<v Speaker 3>feel that as you turn your body, your feet will

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<v Speaker 3>become level. One's not higher than the other. And if

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<v Speaker 3>your feet or level, it means you're facing directly into

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<v Speaker 3>the slope. So we just teach you how to walk

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<v Speaker 3>in and align your body straight up the slope. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's like I said, it's ninety five percent feel We

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<v Speaker 3>actually have a training exercise for students where will We'll

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<v Speaker 3>have them close their eyes and do the entire read

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<v Speaker 3>and hit the butt with their eyes clows and their

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<v Speaker 3>reeds are as good or better than if their eyes

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<v Speaker 3>are open. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you figure out how long? You figure out

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<v Speaker 1>the slope through feel, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, so you're basically you're basically just pointing your

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<v Speaker 3>toe up the slope. The biggest part is you have

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<v Speaker 3>to you have to estimate how steep the slope is,

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<v Speaker 3>and so let's just say flat, average or steep. Once

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<v Speaker 3>you do that, you simply look at your ball and

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<v Speaker 3>that will show you what angles. It's a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>harder to describe on verbally, but you can. You can

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<v Speaker 3>determine very simply if your if your chest is pointing

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<v Speaker 3>straight up the slope and the ball is across your

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<v Speaker 3>right shoulder, that's a ninety degree angle. Okay, So your

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<v Speaker 3>your toes are facing straight up, and as the ball

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<v Speaker 3>comes across your shoulders, the angle gets bigger and bigger.

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<v Speaker 3>So if it's straight across my shoulder, it's ninety degrees

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<v Speaker 3>across the slope. And then I simply just look up

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<v Speaker 3>the brake So if I have that twenty foot putt

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it's an average slope, and I look

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<v Speaker 3>across and I see the ball at my right shoulder,

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<v Speaker 3>that ball two feet on a stem of ten, I

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<v Speaker 3>expect to you know, if it's a stim pate it's

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<v Speaker 3>a foot and half, it's different. And then then it

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<v Speaker 3>just frees you up to focus on speed. So what

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<v Speaker 3>we want to do is we want to make the

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<v Speaker 3>read portion of the of the of putting very short

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<v Speaker 3>and efficient walk up. It's a very logical process. How

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<v Speaker 3>much should this ball break, Well it should break two feet? Okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 3>line up to two feet and now it's all about

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<v Speaker 3>feel and all about controlling speed.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you took this idea to the USGA initially,

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<v Speaker 1>well you were focused on television.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Well, when I went to the USGA, it was

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<v Speaker 3>about the that pomp pile of app which they said

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<v Speaker 3>no to, which is fine. I wasn't expecting them to

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<v Speaker 3>approve that. Then for the for television I had to

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<v Speaker 3>go to PGA Tour because the network said we'll use

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<v Speaker 3>it if the PGA Tour vouches for it. So six

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<v Speaker 3>months or work with the PJA Tour, just giving them

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrations until they signed off on it, and then I

422
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<v Speaker 3>had to go back to the us GA because after

423
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<v Speaker 3>we developed this system for normal golfers to use, which

424
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<v Speaker 3>relies to some degree on this chart I'm talking about,

425
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<v Speaker 3>we had to get approval for the chart. So I

426
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<v Speaker 3>had to go back to the USJA and submit that

427
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<v Speaker 3>and see if it was conforming, which it is, and

428
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<v Speaker 3>then that's kind of the last time I talked to him.

429
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<v Speaker 3>That was that was a while ago. I was probably

430
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<v Speaker 3>five years ago. M hm.

431
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<v Speaker 1>And so now you have to you developed a curriculum

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<v Speaker 1>yes on this and what was the next process from there?

433
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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Then it was just perfecting it. I mean, you know,

434
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<v Speaker 3>how I teach now is different from how I taught

435
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<v Speaker 3>it a couple of years ago. We've learned more efficient

436
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<v Speaker 3>and easier ways to get the read. So there's a

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<v Speaker 3>number of ways to get a read on a putt.

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<v Speaker 3>And what we've done is basically, we've taught thousands and

439
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<v Speaker 3>thousands and thousands of people. We've learned what works best

440
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<v Speaker 3>and what is more difficult, and basically all the things

441
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<v Speaker 3>that tend to be more difficult to learn or to

442
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<v Speaker 3>use as a player, we just got rid of them

443
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<v Speaker 3>and so it's the simplest possible way to get a read.

444
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<v Speaker 3>And that's what we currently teach.

445
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<v Speaker 1>And who are you teaching?

446
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<v Speaker 3>All sorts of golfers. I teach everything from PGA Tour

447
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<v Speaker 3>players and LPGA players down to high handicaps. Juniors. Lots

448
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<v Speaker 3>and lots of juniors learned this very very quickly. On

449
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<v Speaker 3>the LPGA, we've probably got about thirty girls who've gone

450
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<v Speaker 3>through it. Were probably fifteen or so guys who have

451
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<v Speaker 3>gone through it. Scott mcchaern was the first PGA Tour

452
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<v Speaker 3>player to use a point. He started three years ago.

453
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<v Speaker 3>He was way ahead of the curve and he and

454
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<v Speaker 3>his caddy both went through the process and he started

455
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<v Speaker 3>using it and within six months he went from I

456
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<v Speaker 3>think one hundred and seventy eighth and putting to fourteenth,

457
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<v Speaker 3>and then the next two years he was top ten

458
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<v Speaker 3>putts gained and currently this year he's been injured, so

459
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<v Speaker 3>he statistically doesn't show up, but if you look at

460
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<v Speaker 3>his individual scorecard, he's ranked first in putts game.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Well that's testimony right there.

462
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So he was the first person on the PGA Tour,

463
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<v Speaker 3>and then Stacy Lewis was the second, was the first

464
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<v Speaker 3>person on the LPGA and Stacy went from thirty something

465
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<v Speaker 3>in the world to who she was second this year

466
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<v Speaker 3>and I think she's pretty dark, so I think she's

467
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<v Speaker 3>only three points behind Yanni. And she started about eighteen

468
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<v Speaker 3>months ago and she went I don't know where she

469
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<v Speaker 3>wasn't the money, but she's ranked second and putting on

470
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<v Speaker 3>the LPGA first and top tens first, and you know

471
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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of things, rollocks player of the Year. And

472
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<v Speaker 3>this was a girl who had a good stroke, had

473
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<v Speaker 3>good speed, hit the ball very very well, and really

474
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<v Speaker 3>all you had to do is just clean up or

475
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<v Speaker 3>read a little bit and say here, here is the

476
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<v Speaker 3>correct place to be aiming these putts. And she's just

477
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<v Speaker 3>killed it out there.

478
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<v Speaker 1>So once you start figuring out where the brakes are

479
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<v Speaker 1>and what that's gonna do, it's really all a matter

480
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<v Speaker 1>of your speed development.

481
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, it's it's a matter of being able to

482
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<v Speaker 3>start the ball online and really controlling speed. So we

483
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<v Speaker 3>see when once people learn the aim, usually their misses

484
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<v Speaker 3>are speed misses. You know, our aims are based on

485
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<v Speaker 3>a certain speech we'll call it a foot by the whole.

486
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<v Speaker 3>So basically, if you miss, the ball would go twelve

487
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<v Speaker 3>inches past the hole. So if they hit it firmer

488
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<v Speaker 3>than that probably going to go over the top edge.

489
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<v Speaker 3>If you diet in the hole, it could miss a

490
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<v Speaker 3>little bit low. Although slower speeds tend to work better

491
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<v Speaker 3>than faster speeds, but it's really controlling the speed of

492
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<v Speaker 3>the putt.

493
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<v Speaker 1>And why are slower better than faster.

494
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<v Speaker 3>Because slower the ball tends to be coming in higher

495
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<v Speaker 3>and softer, and it'll fall in the sides of the hole.

496
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<v Speaker 3>So the slower the ball, the wider the hole is. Effectively,

497
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<v Speaker 3>as you hit the ball firmer and firmer, you can

498
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<v Speaker 3>go over the sides and it's not going to go in.

499
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<v Speaker 3>It's just going too fast to drop in.

500
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<v Speaker 1>I see that makes sense.

501
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So if I hit a ball five feet past

502
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<v Speaker 3>the hole, which I know we don't want to, but

503
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<v Speaker 3>we've all done it, the effective width of the hole

504
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<v Speaker 3>is half an inch. So if I don't roll the

505
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<v Speaker 3>ball right over the center of the hole, it'll just

506
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<v Speaker 3>it'll bounce out.

507
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<v Speaker 1>And there are many people who claim to be putting gurus,

508
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<v Speaker 1>putting experts, putting instructors.

509
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<v Speaker 3>Have they received this A lot of them have received

510
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<v Speaker 3>it very well, because a lot of a lot of

511
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<v Speaker 3>my instructors. I have about one hundred and twenty certified

512
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<v Speaker 3>instructors around the world, and a lot of them are

513
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<v Speaker 3>are very good putting teachers. So for instance, Craig Farnsworth, renowned,

514
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<v Speaker 3>you know, putting guru. And what people like Craig have

515
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<v Speaker 3>realized is they teach the stroke, and they teach a

516
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<v Speaker 3>lot of times putter fitting and mechanics, but green reading

517
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<v Speaker 3>is really the foundation for that. You have to be

518
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<v Speaker 3>able to teach green reading to have a all around

519
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<v Speaker 3>great putter. So I can have the best stroke in

520
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<v Speaker 3>the world, and I can have the best speed control

521
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<v Speaker 3>in the world, but if I don't know what the

522
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<v Speaker 3>right target is, I'm not going to make putts. You

523
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<v Speaker 3>have to have to start with a good read and

524
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<v Speaker 3>then build everything else around that. So at a lot

525
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<v Speaker 3>of them are really really come on board. David Orr

526
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<v Speaker 3>was one of the very first guys, and he's a

527
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<v Speaker 3>great putting instructor, has been working with Justin Rose and

528
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of really top players lately, and he was

529
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<v Speaker 3>I think the first or second person I ever taught

530
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<v Speaker 3>that I ever certified. But they just realized it's just

531
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<v Speaker 3>part of the It's part of the a putting puzzle.

532
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<v Speaker 3>I need to read greens, I need to start the

533
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<v Speaker 3>ball on line, and I need to control speed. And

534
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<v Speaker 3>you need all three of those to be great.

535
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<v Speaker 1>When you get to these uh, you you have these

536
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<v Speaker 1>certified instructors. When they come to you and realize that

537
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<v Speaker 1>you're just a guy. You're not a pg A pro,

538
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<v Speaker 1>You're You're just a guy with this idea of and

539
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<v Speaker 1>a curriculum. Uh do you do you get any resistance

540
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<v Speaker 1>on that? Like, wait a minute, why are you teaching me?

541
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<v Speaker 3>Yes? I in the since in the beginning, it was

542
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<v Speaker 3>a it washing uphill battle because I was not from

543
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<v Speaker 3>the golf industry. I didn't know people in the industry.

544
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<v Speaker 3>I was, you know, nobody knew who I was. And

545
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<v Speaker 3>I luckily had some some very good people who kind

546
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<v Speaker 3>of took me under their wing and helped me along.

547
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<v Speaker 3>Brian Mogg was the first instructor to really see it

548
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<v Speaker 3>and say this is really cool. You need to do

549
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<v Speaker 3>more with it. Uh. And then Mike Adams very shortly

550
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<v Speaker 3>after that said the same thing. And so you know,

551
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<v Speaker 3>I'm in this business largely because of those two guys,

552
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Mike and Brian magg Because I didn't even know where

553
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<v Speaker 3>to start. I mean, I wasn't part of the golf industry,

554
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.119
<v Speaker 3>and that was a very hard thing to break into.

555
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<v Speaker 3>So the first few years it was very difficult. But there,

556
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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's some really great instructors out there who

557
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<v Speaker 3>are very open minded, and I just kind of started

558
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<v Speaker 3>working with them. And then after you know, they got

559
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<v Speaker 3>into it and saw how well it worked, and then

560
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<v Speaker 3>after players started getting into it, then more and more

561
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<v Speaker 3>instructors starting to starting to call and say, hey, this

562
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<v Speaker 3>is just something I need to learn.

563
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The beauty of word of mouth.

564
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I don't do any advertising. One hundred

565
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<v Speaker 3>percent of what I do as word of mouth, whether

566
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<v Speaker 3>it's from players or instructors or or just you know,

567
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 3>golf clubs calling and saying, hey, I've got members who

568
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<v Speaker 3>really want to learn this. It's one hundred percent word

569
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<v Speaker 3>of mouth.

570
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<v Speaker 1>Amazing, amazing. Are some greens that you've you've brought this

571
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<v Speaker 1>to more difficult than others? So some golf courses.

572
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<v Speaker 3>I used to think that, and I don't anymore. I

573
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<v Speaker 3>used to think there were some that were harder than others.

574
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<v Speaker 3>And you know, back when I first started, because I

575
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:05.160
<v Speaker 3>didn't really understand all the pieces as well. But probably

576
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<v Speaker 3>in the last eighteen months or so, we've got the

577
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.039
<v Speaker 3>process so refined that it just makes no difference, to

578
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.799
<v Speaker 3>make absolutely no difference what the green looks like. I

579
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 3>think typically the hardest greens tend to be the flattest greens. Really, yeah,

580
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:20.319
<v Speaker 3>where your eyes just completely start to fail and you

581
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 3>really have to be in your sense of feel because

582
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.519
<v Speaker 3>you won't see the slope when it gets really flat.

583
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<v Speaker 3>You just won't see it, and you really have to

584
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 3>be tuned into your feel. So we spend a lot

585
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<v Speaker 3>more time training that. When there's a lot of slope,

586
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:35.920
<v Speaker 3>it's obvious where it is. Speed is harder, but the

587
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Speaker 3>break is a piece of cake when it's deep. But

588
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 3>as it gets flatter and flatter, your eyes become more

589
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.880
<v Speaker 3>and more useless to find what you're looking for.

590
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<v Speaker 1>So how do we find your certified instructors? They're all

591
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<v Speaker 1>over the world.

592
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<v Speaker 3>Right, Oh, I've got instructors and I think about twenty

593
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<v Speaker 3>one countries now and then over the world, and you

594
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.079
<v Speaker 3>can find them on a point golf dot com. There's

595
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 3>a listing in air for instructors. Go I you know,

596
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:05.599
<v Speaker 3>I highly recommend a lot of them are very good

597
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<v Speaker 3>golf pros. In addition to being green reading instructors. They're

598
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.279
<v Speaker 3>great at at full swing, at putting mechanics, They've got

599
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 3>a big range of skills. So I definitely recommend finding

600
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<v Speaker 3>one in your area. I mean, I travel around a lot,

601
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<v Speaker 3>but you know, I'm only in any particular state maybe

602
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.160
<v Speaker 3>once a year. But the local instructor, uh, they're they're

603
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.599
<v Speaker 3>always available, and it's it's a very simple thing to learn.

604
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Speaker 3>It only takes a typical clinic is two hours, but

605
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 3>it's really only about an hour of learning and about

606
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.839
<v Speaker 3>an hour of just practicing it so that when you

607
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<v Speaker 3>go out on course the next time you can, you

608
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<v Speaker 3>can do it comfortably.

609
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<v Speaker 1>Has any instructor failed, I mean, what's that process?

610
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<v Speaker 3>The certification is pretty strenuous. It's it's it's a closed system,

611
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<v Speaker 3>meaning it's it's not an open enrollment system. It's very

612
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<v Speaker 3>very particular about instructors because my theory is to have

613
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<v Speaker 3>fewer instructions actors who are very very high quality. Rather

614
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<v Speaker 3>than just saying, oh, there's ten thousand people out there

615
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:06.559
<v Speaker 3>who can do this, just go find one. I want

616
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 3>to make sure that that you know, my group of

617
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 3>structures are the best in the world at green reading.

618
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<v Speaker 3>So with fewer instructors, we can spend a lot more

619
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<v Speaker 3>time one on one developing them. And nobody has failed certification,

620
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.240
<v Speaker 3>although there have been a few that are how do

621
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<v Speaker 3>I put this on? They're not certified anymore of that.

622
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 1>And what would what would make you revoke their certification?

623
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<v Speaker 3>The biggest reasons are they just not teaching the ain

624
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<v Speaker 3>point system. So what happens with some people is I've

625
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<v Speaker 3>been doing this for almost ten years and there's lots

626
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<v Speaker 3>of things that I purposely don't teach because they're either

627
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 3>very difficult, or they fail in certain situations, or the

628
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.039
<v Speaker 3>students just don't understand them. And sometimes in the beginning,

629
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<v Speaker 3>when you get in structures, they go, oh, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>all cool, but I really want to do it this way,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, something totally different, which I know doesn't work

632
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<v Speaker 3>or doesn't work as well because we've already know it

633
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<v Speaker 3>with three hundred other students, and just occasionally an instructor

634
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<v Speaker 3>just they're just insist on kind of putting their own

635
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<v Speaker 3>stamp on it. Sometimes that's helpful. Sometimes they actually come

636
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<v Speaker 3>up with good ideas, and sometimes they really kind of

637
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<v Speaker 3>go in the wrong direction. And you know, I've had

638
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<v Speaker 3>not very often, but I did have a situation where

639
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<v Speaker 3>somebody did the school and one of these students called

640
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<v Speaker 3>me and said, I just didn't get any of it.

641
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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what's going on, and a really

642
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<v Speaker 3>good player, and I went and taught this player afterwards,

643
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<v Speaker 3>and you know, thirty or forty minutes they understood it.

644
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<v Speaker 3>And that just shows that the instructor wasn't really doing

645
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<v Speaker 3>their job. And again, it's pretty rare for that to happen,

646
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<v Speaker 3>but when it does happen, we cleaned it out pretty fast.

647
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<v Speaker 1>Wow, good for you.

648
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<v Speaker 3>You know, any points of brand like any other brand,

649
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<v Speaker 3>and you know you have to you really really have

650
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<v Speaker 3>to be vigilant about keeping quality high to make sure

651
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<v Speaker 3>that everybody who takes it at any point class is

652
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<v Speaker 3>getting the same uh the curriculum. Basically, you know, if

653
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<v Speaker 3>you take a class from me or any other instructor,

654
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.640
<v Speaker 3>should really be learning the same stuff.

655
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 1>How about architects. I always find it fascinating talking to

656
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<v Speaker 1>architects because you know, they're not golf professionals like the

657
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<v Speaker 1>two of us. They're guys who are you know, They

658
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<v Speaker 1>on paper, they do stuff on paper, and generally they're

659
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<v Speaker 1>not great golfers, so they understand the pains of what

660
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 1>it is, you know, what they're designing and how to

661
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:27.279
<v Speaker 1>mess with people's heads. How have they responded to this?

662
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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's interesting. I really don't work much with architects.

663
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 3>I've done a few redesigned jobs on greens where we

664
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<v Speaker 3>basically can take a green and help them reshape it

665
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.519
<v Speaker 3>for faster green speed. So they tend to be older courses,

666
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe an old Donald Ross design where they

667
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<v Speaker 3>were designed for stimp seven and they're running them at

668
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<v Speaker 3>thirteen now. But architects are fascinating because they a lot

669
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<v Speaker 3>of them understand how to fool your eyes, and they

670
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 3>understand how to flame a steep slope and a subtle

671
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 3>slope so that you really can't visually figure out what's

672
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.759
<v Speaker 3>going on. Sometimes it's accidental, but but the better ones

673
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.759
<v Speaker 3>understand those optical illusions and they'll purposely build those in.

674
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<v Speaker 3>And I love those because every time I see an

675
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 3>optical illusion, I'm just you know, dying to figure out, Okay,

676
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.839
<v Speaker 3>why do I see the ball going right and the

677
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 3>ball actually goes hard left? Like what is that that illusion?

678
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.759
<v Speaker 3>How do they create those angles to trick me? And

679
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 3>they do it on purpose, There's no question they do

680
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 3>it on purpose. Oh yeah, hear them, you know, really

681
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 3>out there bragging about it, but you see it. And

682
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 3>what I love about that is, you know our system.

683
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter what the optics look like. If you

684
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 3>follow the system, it'll give you the right read. But

685
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.319
<v Speaker 3>it's really cool sometimes to put that. Every person you

686
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 3>ask says, well, this is the right edge putt and

687
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 3>they hit it and it goes two feet to the right.

688
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, just just absolutely visually cannot get the read

689
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 3>right visually because the architect has done such a good

690
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 3>job disguising through slope.

691
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<v Speaker 1>What have you learned about golf course design or green

692
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<v Speaker 1>design through this process?

693
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<v Speaker 3>Uh, the biggest thing I've learned is that you have

694
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 3>to have slope. You got to get water off. So

695
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<v Speaker 3>any any architect or any superintendents. Superintendents are actually really

696
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.319
<v Speaker 3>good at finding slope because they understand that. They understand

697
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.119
<v Speaker 3>the water has to move off the green of the

698
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.880
<v Speaker 3>grass diyes. So what I've understand is there's a range

699
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<v Speaker 3>of slopes you want to put on a green. It's

700
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 3>got to be at least one percent to get water off,

701
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 3>but anything more than four percent is unpinnable. So if

702
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 3>you have a seven thousand square foot green. The question is, well,

703
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 3>how many pin positions do I want? If it's too steep,

704
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 3>then I don't have a lot of pins. If it's

705
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:33.799
<v Speaker 3>too flat, it's boring. So there's got to be some

706
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<v Speaker 3>healthy mix of flat areas and steep areas. So if

707
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 3>you look at somewhere like Augusta, you know they've got

708
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<v Speaker 3>flat areas and they've got steep areas, And if you're

709
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<v Speaker 3>not in the right section of the green, it can

710
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 3>be very difficult. But once you're in the correct section

711
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 3>of the green, it's perfectly fair. In other words, the

712
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.319
<v Speaker 3>putting is is they're fair putts, meaning they're not they're

713
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 3>not too steep, but they're not too difficult. It really

714
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.519
<v Speaker 3>puts a high premium aunt approach shots. So the interesting

715
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<v Speaker 3>thing I found is, Okay, well, what do you want

716
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 3>this grew to do? What do you want to reward?

717
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 3>What do you want to punish? How much do you

718
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 3>want to punish somebody for being in the wrong area?

719
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.199
<v Speaker 3>And that's just a designer's job. You know, what do

720
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.159
<v Speaker 3>I want to do with this? What do I want

721
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 3>to force them to do? I do they need to

722
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 3>hit it within ten feet? Like the top right at

723
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 3>the sixteenth green at the Gussa. When they get that

724
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 3>top right pin, if you're not within ten feet, the

725
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 3>ball goes all the way to the bottom. The kid's

726
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 3>punishing for not having a good approach shot. But if

727
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 3>you hit it inside ten feet's an easy putt.

728
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<v Speaker 1>Amazing. So I'm reviewing your website and there's a lot

729
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<v Speaker 1>of things that I would just love a little explanation.

730
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>You have products on here. What are the products that

731
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<v Speaker 1>Aimpoint offers.

732
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<v Speaker 3>Well, the main products are green Reading curriculum, so basically

733
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.760
<v Speaker 3>just teaching golfers how to read greens. Also got the

734
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 3>TV product which is really just geared towards the networks

735
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 3>for existing students. I have an iPhone app which is

736
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.800
<v Speaker 3>really makes the most sense for people who have taken

737
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 3>a class. If you haven't taking a class, it's not

738
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 3>as you won't use it properly most likely, so it's

739
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.440
<v Speaker 3>really there to support people have already gone through a

740
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 3>name Point class to help them learn faster.

741
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<v Speaker 1>And how long does the class take?

742
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Typically two hours? Okay, two hours is plenty of time

743
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:17.679
<v Speaker 3>in a big class. If I have a one on

744
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 3>one student, I can usually get them to double breaks

745
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 3>in about forty five minutes. Believe it or not. Not

746
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 3>that difficult. And then and then we'll be developing more products,

747
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, throughout the year.

748
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<v Speaker 1>And why is there a putter recommended on aim point?

749
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.719
<v Speaker 3>Very good question. So, so I partner with Adele Golf

750
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 3>because they make custom putters that are designed to aim

751
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.199
<v Speaker 3>where you think they're aimed. So what they do is

752
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 3>they design the putter to match your optics. Okay, so

753
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 3>you might get a putter off the shelf and you

754
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.079
<v Speaker 3>think you think you aim at straight and you actually

755
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:57.079
<v Speaker 3>aim at five degrees left, but aim at five degrees left. Well,

756
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 3>what a Dell does is they say, okay, based on

757
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.840
<v Speaker 3>how you say it up and what your personalized optics

758
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.599
<v Speaker 3>look like, we're going to configure the putter that is

759
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.239
<v Speaker 3>pointing where you think it's pointing. And what your putter

760
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.679
<v Speaker 3>might be is completely different than what my putter might

761
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 3>look like. So they go through a fitting process where

762
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 3>they figure out exactly what combination of head shape and

763
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 3>hozzle and lie and lines will will get you aiming

764
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.639
<v Speaker 3>the putter straight. Because once you aim the putter at

765
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:25.639
<v Speaker 3>your target, then you can make a pure stroke. You

766
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 3>don't have to make compensations. The second thing they do,

767
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 3>which is really cool, is they change the waiting of

768
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 3>your putter so that you can have the best speed control.

769
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<v Speaker 3>So me, for instance, I like to feel weight in

770
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 3>my hands, and if I have a putter head that's

771
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 3>too light, I really struggle with speed. But once I

772
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 3>get the correct weighting, whether it's in the head or

773
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 3>the shaft or even the under the grip of the putter,

774
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.599
<v Speaker 3>it's much more easy to control speed.

775
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Wow, you know I never even thought of that. Is

776
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 1>that your putter? You know you should be I guess

777
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you should be fitted for your putter, just like you

778
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.360
<v Speaker 1>should be fitted for all your golf clubs.

779
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I the more I do this, the

780
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 3>more important I think equipment is because I can take

781
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 3>I can take any golfer and give them three different

782
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.239
<v Speaker 3>putters and one of the lame left, one the lime right,

783
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 3>and one the lame straight. Well, if you're aiming left

784
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 3>and where you think all the time, what do you

785
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 3>have to do to make a putt? You have to

786
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 3>either hit it really hard, or you have to push

787
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 3>it up the hill, or you have to open the face,

788
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.320
<v Speaker 3>and it forces all these compensations which aren't necessarily good

789
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 3>for you. But if I know where I'm and imagine

790
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.159
<v Speaker 3>if you're staying in the fair way and you were

791
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 3>aimed forty yards left of the pin, Okay, well what

792
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 3>do you have to do. You've got to you know,

793
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.079
<v Speaker 3>hit a big slice or you've got a block, or

794
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:40.760
<v Speaker 3>you've got to do something with your swing versus if

795
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:44.000
<v Speaker 3>you really lined up correctly at the pin. So I

796
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 3>don't teach full swing at all, but I know a

797
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 3>lot of full swing instructors say, you know, alignment is

798
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 3>so critically important to your full swing. Well, it's the

799
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.840
<v Speaker 3>same way with putting. Okay, if I'm not pointing my

800
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.039
<v Speaker 3>putter where I want to hit it, then then I've

801
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:57.880
<v Speaker 3>got to manipulate the face or manipulate the speed to

802
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 3>try to make the putt.

803
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 1>And you use the what is it? Adele adele el

804
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:09.760
<v Speaker 1>is awesome and and that has also impacted your your putting.

805
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh hugely. I had a putter before that I

806
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 3>couldn't name at all, but I didn't know it. I

807
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 3>had my putter and I got this putter and it was,

808
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, three or four degrees left all the time.

809
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.440
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, no, wonder you know, I struggle

810
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.440
<v Speaker 3>with this. So I went through the fitting process and

811
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 3>they gave me a putter that aim straight and then

812
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.159
<v Speaker 3>fitted me for the waiting so that the weight of

813
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:33.960
<v Speaker 3>the putter felt right to my brain so I could

814
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 3>control speed. And it's just a world of difference.

815
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to talk to you more when we

816
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>get off on that one, because maybe we should bring

817
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>them on the show too.

818
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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's really they're really really good stuff, really

819
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 3>cool putters and beautiful. They're all handmade and customized and

820
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a real special piece of equipment. Wow.

821
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<v Speaker 1>Fabulous. Well, I'm just so impressed with your success and

822
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<v Speaker 1>I'm really happy for you. It's awesome. There's been some

823
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 1>amazing things said about aim Point. You know, you haven't

824
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 1>quotes listed here on the website. My favorite, you know

825
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 1>is it would what Golf Channel says, it's the best

826
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<v Speaker 1>kept secret in golf. And I guess they were trying

827
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:17.559
<v Speaker 1>to keep you a secret for a while because they

828
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 1>wanted it all to themselves.

829
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, they they had a they had a good run.

830
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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, they got their their first Emmy and

831
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<v Speaker 3>they they did a good job. They took they took

832
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<v Speaker 3>a risk with with the with aim Point. Well, before

833
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 3>anybody else did, and luckily, you know, it paid off

834
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<v Speaker 3>for them. So I've always had a lot of gratitude

835
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<v Speaker 3>for Golf Channel for kind of going out on a limb.

836
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<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely, I really.

837
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<v Speaker 3>Believed possible and they and they did it anyway, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Mark, congratulations and thanks again so much for for

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<v Speaker 1>so much of your time. And I wish you all

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<v Speaker 1>the luck in the world because you, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you got seventy five children and you got to put

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<v Speaker 1>them all through college, so this is definitely going to

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<v Speaker 1>help great.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a lot, Bred
