1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: For members only. Golf Smarter number three hundred and sixty eight, 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,160 published on January twenty nine, twenty thirteen. 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:13,599 Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:17,239 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:23,280 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 6 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:28,160 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,839 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 3: The first time I ever tested this, and I didn't 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,840 really know what I was doing at the time, but 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,520 I was giving a lesson and we were talking about 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,280 what makes the ball break more and what makes the 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,880 ball break lesson the guy looks at me because you 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,000 know what, I would really like to know exactly how much. Yeah, 14 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:46,640 I know what breaks more, but what does that mean? 15 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:49,880 Does that mean three feet or two feet or twelve inches? 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,359 So I basically use the same computer software that does 17 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:55,159 the line for TV, and I just had to spit 18 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:56,640 out all these numbers, and I took it out and 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,399 tested it, and I only did basic average two percent slow. 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,719 And I went out and played eighteen holes and I 21 00:01:01,759 --> 00:01:04,640 think I had eleven putts on the front and fourteen 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,159 putts on the back, and I had never ever been 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,719 below thirty putts. I never made anything outside ten feet. 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,959 I think I made two or the three putts outside 25 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,799 fifteen feet. I made a lot more five six seven footers, 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,760 and I remember just thinking, Wow, there's really something to this. 27 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,680 I don't really understand it yet, I don't really know 28 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:21,640 how to use it yet, but just the first time 29 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,040 I ever tried it, I could not believe how much 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,719 better my putting was, just knowing what the proper. 31 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:35,239 Speaker 4: Break was, how the aim point putting system works. With 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,079 Mark Sweety, this is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to Golf 33 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:41,480 Smarter for members only. 34 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:41,799 Speaker 1: Mark. 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Fred, and thank. 36 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: You again for agreeing to come in for part two 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,319 of this, because you know, we talked about the history 38 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:50,560 of it, how you got it started, and what you 39 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:52,000 did with it. But now, like, what's in. 40 00:01:51,959 --> 00:01:54,799 Speaker 3: It for me? Dude? What's in it for me? What's 41 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:55,719 in it for you? 42 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: As a golfer. 43 00:01:57,359 --> 00:01:59,519 Speaker 3: As a golfer, you and I are kind of the same. 44 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:03,200 You know, we're both we don't play enough golf. We're amateurs. 45 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:05,680 I didn't come from the golf industry. What's in it 46 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:09,759 for us is that you can actually learn very easily 47 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:13,240 how to actually regreens. And you know, one of the 48 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,879 big problems I actually my inspiration for starting all this 49 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:17,759 was I went to my instructor at the time and 50 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,520 I was, you know, a terrible putter, and I just said, 51 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,080 how do you learn to regreens? And his answer was, well, 52 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,479 just do it a lot and you'll get better. And 53 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:25,759 the thing that went through my head. 54 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: This is the age of technology. 55 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time, I was probably you know, mid thirties. 56 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,759 I was like, I don't have a lot of time. 57 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,800 I was like, if I play once a week, it's 58 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,280 a great week. I don't have time. And I know, 59 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,560 you know tour players who are forty and they still 60 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,319 don't understand greens. How do I ever possibly think I'm 61 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:45,840 going to get this? And it just completely, you know, 62 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:49,439 frustrated me. And you know, my technical side is when well, 63 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:51,800 that's not good enough. It can't be that difficult. It 64 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,360 just can't be that difficult to figure out. 65 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: When you said you were in your mid thirties, you're 66 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,319 talking about your age or your handicap. 67 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: My age. Yes, I didn't start playing golf at five 68 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,080 like most tour players, you know, I started golf at 69 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,000 the thirty or late twenties, and I was like, I 70 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:11,120 just that just doesn't work for me, don't. I don't 71 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:12,719 accept that, do you. 72 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: So let's let's pursue this. How does this work? How 73 00:03:17,199 --> 00:03:20,120 is this going to make me a better putter? And 74 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:22,840 then we have a long No one simple, I want detail. 75 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:24,439 We have a long time to talk about this. Let's 76 00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:25,159 get into detail with. 77 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: This, okay. So reading greens is very simple because there's 78 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:32,199 a few factors that completely control break, or at least 79 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,400 ninety seven ninety eight percent. Break is controlled by gravity. 80 00:03:36,479 --> 00:03:39,319 Gravity is a consistent force everywhere in the world. Everywhere 81 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,400 you go, it's always the same. And so if you 82 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:46,080 understand a few basic rules, you can very very accurately 83 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:48,159 predict what the ball is going to do ahead of time. 84 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:50,800 So it's really you know, if you think about high 85 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,400 school physics, If you hold a ball up at your 86 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,039 shoulder and you drop it, how long is it takes 87 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,039 hit the ground? Well, it takes about a half a 88 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,719 second every time you do it. Everywhere in the world. 89 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:01,000 If I hold both my arms out at shoulder height 90 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,479 and drop two balls, they hit the ground at the 91 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:05,800 same time. There's no question whatsoever, that that's always what's 92 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,159 going to happen. Now, for some reason, you get on 93 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:10,400 the putting green and people say, yeah, but the ball 94 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:15,560 breaks uphill in Indio in palm desert. Well, no, it's 95 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:18,000 to think about what you're saying. If you actually think 96 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,519 the ball breaks uphill, what you're saying is gravity. The 97 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,240 force of gravity reverses. 98 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: Itself in palm desert. That makes sense, and. 99 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: Palm does that make sense? Or wherever you go, And 100 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,399 you know, it's just not possible. It's physically impossible for 101 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,639 gravity not to have the same effect. And you know, 102 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,480 some very intelligent people will say, yeah, but it's a 103 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,480 little bit different in certain parts of the world. Yes, 104 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:42,160 it's minutely different, but not enough for us to tell 105 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,560 the difference putting a ball. So anyway, long story short, 106 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,279 is the first thing we do is we just teach 107 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:50,759 golfers here's what controls break and believe it or not. 108 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,600 I've asked that question to just about every student I've 109 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,519 ever had, and everybody from new golfers, the tour players, 110 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,800 and maybe one in two hundred people will give you 111 00:05:00,879 --> 00:05:05,759 a fairly close answer, maybe one to two hundred, and 112 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,079 tour players even at tour player level. You say, what 113 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:11,240 causes break? They don't really know. I mean they know, Yeah, 114 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,800 it's slope and it's gravity, but that's that's where it ends. 115 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,680 There's nothing more specific than that. And that's not enough information. 116 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,639 I need to know more information. Yes, I know, if 117 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:23,000 their slope, the ball may or may not break. It 118 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,680 may break a little, it might break a lot. But 119 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,519 that's not good enough. I need to know from I 120 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:29,199 have a ten foot putt, is a break one inch 121 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,439 or or thirty six inches? How do I know that? 122 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,920 And so what we do is we just start off 123 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:35,839 in the beginning, Well, what causes break? Well, if the 124 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:38,800 ball is tilted to the side, then it's going to 125 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:41,279 fall to the side. So literally, just imagine taking a 126 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:42,959 ball and tilting it to the left. What's it going 127 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,319 to do. It's going to roll to the left. 128 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, what does that mean? Well, how do 129 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:47,519 you mean tilt a ball to the left. 130 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: Well, imagine if you put a ball on a table, okay, 131 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,560 and you just tilt the table to the left, the 132 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,920 ball is going to roll to the left. 133 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: Okay, not the ball, but the where the ball is sitting. 134 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:01,319 Speaker 3: Well, yes, yeah, the ground that the surface of the 135 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:03,439 ball is touching and it's tilted to the side, then 136 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:06,720 the ball will roll off to the side. Okay, And 137 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,879 that's it. That's what break is. Break It fundamentally is 138 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,920 just the ball falling sideways. So you can tilt the 139 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:14,839 ball forward or backwards, like if you're going straight up 140 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,600 the hill or straight down a hill, in which case 141 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:19,959 it might go faster or slower. But it's not breaking, 142 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,879 is it. It's it's it's rolling straight. The minute I 143 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:25,240 tilt the ball or the surface to the left or 144 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,720 to the right, it will the ball will fall to 145 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,079 the side. 146 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: But how do you determine how much? Okay? 147 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 3: So that's the next piece. So the first part is 148 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:38,920 why does the ball break break being defined? Has the 149 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:43,160 ball falling sideways or laterally? Well, it falls the side 150 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:45,800 because it's tilted to the side. Well, how much tilt 151 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,240 there is and how long the ball is rolling determines 152 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,240 exactly how much break there is. Okay. So if you 153 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,959 tilt the ball forty five degrees to the left and 154 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,199 let it roll for two seconds, it's going to break 155 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,720 x amount. And that's just math. It's just pure your physics, 156 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,720 you know, high school physics. A ball rolling down an 157 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,959 inclined plane will roll a certain distance or break a 158 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:09,959 certain amount. So now that sounds complicated, but the way 159 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:12,000 it actually works as a golfer is very simple. There's 160 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,319 three things I have to know to exactly predict break. 161 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:17,800 I have to know how long the putt is, five, ten, 162 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,040 fifteen feet, whatever, how the length of the putt. I 163 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,160 have to know how steep the slope is that I'm 164 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,560 putting across. And then finally I have to know what 165 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,800 angle I'm putting across the slope. And you can do 166 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:32,759 all those in five to ten seconds. Literally, just distance 167 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:34,800 is easy. I walk up to the putt, it's fifteen feet, okay, 168 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:36,439 no problem. Now what do I have to do? I 169 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:39,399 have to find the true direction of the slope. I 170 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:42,800 have to estimate how steep it is, which is actually 171 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,319 much easier than people think. And then I simply look 172 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,240 at the ball and see what angle it's rolling. Is 173 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,360 it rolling straight up the slope or is a rolling 174 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,839 ninety degrees directly across the slope. And then those three 175 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:57,759 things translate into a specific break amount. So, for example, 176 00:07:57,959 --> 00:07:59,879 I'm ten feet across an average slope, it's going to 177 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:03,079 be six inches fifteen feet It's going to break twelve inches. 178 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:05,040 It's just pure math. 179 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:08,199 Speaker 1: Well, what is that formula that you said six inches? 180 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:12,279 Speaker 3: Well, the formula, the formula, the actual formula is very complicated, 181 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:14,600 but you, as a player, you don't need to know that. 182 00:08:14,759 --> 00:08:16,319 So what we do is we give you basically a 183 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:18,839 chart where you just look up. It looks like a 184 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:21,879 clock face. Roughly, you just say, here's my ball. I'm 185 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,839 putting twenty feet across this slope at at ninety degrees, 186 00:08:25,879 --> 00:08:28,959 so directly across the slope. If it's a flat slope, 187 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,279 it'll break seven inches. If it's an average slope, it'll 188 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:35,000 break seventeen inches. And you're literally just looking up the number. 189 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,679 You're not doing any math yourself at all. It's just 190 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,600 pre printed. It's like me saying, here's a chart. If 191 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:42,639 you drop the ball from three feet, it'll take x 192 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:44,399 amount of time. If you drop it from ten feet, 193 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:47,639 it'll break y amount of time. It's just a look up. 194 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:50,759 So the skill as a golfer is finding slope. It's 195 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:52,879 really just all about finding slope. Because if I can 196 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:55,120 find the slope, in other words, which way is it 197 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:59,080 pointing and how steep it is, then the break is 198 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,480 just plug in play. It's very very straightforward if you 199 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,600 can find slope. So the biggest thing we teach is 200 00:09:04,759 --> 00:09:05,840 here's how you find slope. 201 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: And then you come across a long putt with multiple breaks. 202 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: Then you just break it up into pieces. So if 203 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,159 I have a double breaking putt, I'll break it up 204 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,840 into let's say two to three pieces and just read 205 00:09:18,879 --> 00:09:22,559 each piece and add them up. And even that, I 206 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:24,639 mean I could, I could. You know, I could read 207 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,000 a seventy foot putt in thirty to forty seconds, I 208 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,320 mean down to the inch, no matter, no matter how 209 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:32,080 many slopes are involved. 210 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: How good have you become at putting since you've started this? 211 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 3: Well, the first time I ever tested this, and I 212 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,360 didn't really know what I was doing at the time, 213 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,600 but I was giving a lesson and we were talking about, well, 214 00:09:49,879 --> 00:09:51,679 what makes the ball break more? And what breaks the 215 00:09:51,799 --> 00:09:53,559 makes the ball break lesson? He looked, the guy looks 216 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:54,799 at me and goes, you know what I would really 217 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,639 like to know exactly how much? Like, Yeah, I know 218 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,360 what breaks more? But what does that mean? Does that 219 00:09:59,399 --> 00:10:04,360 mean feet or two feet or twelve inches? So I 220 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,559 basically used the same computer software that does the line 221 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,559 for TV, and I just had it spit out all 222 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,120 these numbers, and I took it out and tested it, 223 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:12,600 and I only did one slope, So I just did 224 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,200 a basic average two and a half. I think it's 225 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,559 a two percent slope. And I went out and played 226 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,639 eighteen holes, and I think I had eleven puts on 227 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,679 the front and fourteen puts on the back. And I 228 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,000 had never ever, ever been below thirty putts, and I 229 00:10:27,039 --> 00:10:29,279 never made anything outside ten feet. I think I made 230 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,840 two or three puts outside fifteen feet, made a lot 231 00:10:32,879 --> 00:10:36,519 more five six seven footers, And I remember just thinking, Wow, 232 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,399 there's really something to this. I don't really understand it yet. 233 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,440 I don't really know how to use it yet. But 234 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,759 just the first time I ever tried it, I could 235 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:46,320 not believe how much better my putting was. Just knowing 236 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,519 what the proper brake was. How much should this ball break? Well, 237 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,279 if you ask most people, they just go, I don't know, 238 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,360 you know, I'll just look at it and take my 239 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,200 best gass. Well, there's actually a very very clear formula. 240 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:00,399 And I don't like to use the word formulacause you're math, 241 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,679 but there's a very clear relationship between slope and break, 242 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:05,519 and so if you understand the slope. The brake is 243 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:10,519 very simple because I basically just you know, the software 244 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,480 will the physics engine will tell you what the break is. 245 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,919 This pre printed chart we have to I'll just tell 246 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:18,240 you this putt will break twenty inches, this put will 247 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:21,360 break six Ince is based on how long the putt is, 248 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,879 how much slope, and finally what angle you're putting across 249 00:11:23,879 --> 00:11:24,480 the slope. 250 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,399 Speaker 1: Are there no other X factors involved? I would think 251 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:32,559 that there are numerous. Well, there are factors involved actors. 252 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: So green speed is very important, so you have to. 253 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: Do right first. 254 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: One important so as green speed gets faster, the ball 255 00:11:40,039 --> 00:11:44,159 breaks more. So for example, if I asked you, why 256 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,759 does a plot break more at stimp twelve then doesn't 257 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:49,039 stamp eight? What would you say? Because this. 258 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: It's moving faster. 259 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:53,759 Speaker 3: The ball's moving faster. 260 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: Right, do that again? 261 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,879 Speaker 3: What so the green ball, a putt on a fast green, 262 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,360 breaks more than a putt on a slow green. Okay 263 00:12:04,879 --> 00:12:06,639 A right, So part of you know our education is 264 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:09,639 well why is that? Yes, we all kind of experienced that, 265 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:10,240 but why. 266 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,039 Speaker 1: I'm not going to answer. 267 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: I'm going to let you do that the answer is simple, 268 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,639 because the ball is rolling for longer the ball, putt 269 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,840 takes more time. So anything that increases the time of 270 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:27,600 a putt increases the break. So what increases time green 271 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,320 speed changes the time of a putt. The length of 272 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,320 the putt changes the time of the putt. How hard 273 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,960 you hit the putt changes the time of a putt. 274 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,399 But it's all really boils down to time. So you're 275 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:38,639 just you're tilting the ball sideways and you're rolling it 276 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,039 for a certain amount of time, and that equals break. Okay, 277 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,519 so how do we use that. We set the green speed. 278 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,840 Let's say it's running ten today, okay, so our green 279 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:52,200 speed's ten. The only the biggest other factor is really wind. 280 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,360 I mean, yes, there's pitch marks and potential imperfections to green, 281 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:59,080 but there's nothing you can do about that anyway. It's 282 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,759 completely out of your control. So what we do is say, 283 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,200 here's how much the ball should break. The imperfections you 284 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,759 can't control them anyway, and in my experiences, they rarely 285 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:13,159 really cause you to miss a putt. They might deflect 286 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:15,519 the ball a little bit, but it's not enough that 287 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,440 you can really get worked up about it. 288 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: And when I learned this method, this system, what do 289 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,159 you call it a method or a system. 290 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: I call it. 291 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,039 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you what. 292 00:13:29,399 --> 00:13:32,759 Speaker 3: I've called it both before. Yeah, it's it's it's a method, 293 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:34,919 but it's also really a curriculum. I mean, there there's 294 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,960 a that says here A plus B plus C equals break. 295 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,279 But but it's you know, any point is more than 296 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,879 just the method it's teaching you. It's really it's a curriculum, 297 00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:47,759 like any subject in school's a curriculum. How much do 298 00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:49,360 you want to know about green reading? We can do 299 00:13:49,399 --> 00:13:52,240 everything from very basics. Here's how much you know a 300 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:55,600 ten foot putt breaks to really understanding you know, the 301 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,279 underlying geometry or break, which gets you know, kind of 302 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,039 PhD level. But you can take it as far as 303 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,399 you want to take it, you know, like like you know, 304 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,720 like finance or like geometry or like you know, art history, 305 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:09,679 whatever it is. You can go as deep as you want. 306 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:13,519 But you really only need a couple hours to have 307 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,480 a really pretty fundamental understanding of break and to be 308 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,000 able to use it as a player. 309 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:21,279 Speaker 1: And how do you use it as a player? I mean, 310 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,639 do you do you when you're on the course, how 311 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:26,360 do you use it? 312 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: So the process is this, you have a putt. First 313 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:33,519 question is how long is the putt. You can determine 314 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:35,360 that just walking up to it. Some people walk their 315 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,399 putts off, which is fine, but just you need to 316 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,080 have some pretty good estimation of how long the putt is. 317 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:43,320 So you do that walking up to the putt. And 318 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,840 then my process is is, let's say have a twenty 319 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,240 foot putt, you walk up to it, and you find 320 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,519 the slope using your feel. So we use very very 321 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,559 little vision in our Green rating. Use vision for how 322 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,279 long the putt is, and you use vision for seeing 323 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,879 what angle you're putting across the slope. But finding this 324 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,759 slope itself is ninety nine percent feel based. So we're 325 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:05,600 actually a lot of times when we train people as 326 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,759 we shut down their eyes, we make them close their 327 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:10,440 eyes and find slope only using their sense of feel 328 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,639 and their sense of balance. And when you do that 329 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:15,120 to somebody, they usually find it correctly every single time. 330 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:17,919 The hard part was with using your vision is that 331 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:21,840 vision is interpretive of slope, so it's trying to figure 332 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:25,759 out slope based on the horizon and buildings and trees 333 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,759 and vertical references, and it's not accurate. So if you've 334 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:31,519 ever been into a funhouse. You know how easy it 335 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:33,960 is to trick yourself and fall on your face because 336 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,960 they take everything and they skew the angles and you 337 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,639 really can't quite figure out what's up and what's down. 338 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,720 So we just take out of the equation. We say 339 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,120 we're not going to look for slope, We're going to 340 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,799 feel slope. And once you've done that, you're ninety percent 341 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,480 done with your read. 342 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: And so when you're saying now, I'm still I want 343 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,440 to define that when you say feel is like not 344 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:54,639 with their hands. They're not crawling around on the ground, 345 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:55,080 are they. 346 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: It's just walking. When you walk, your body is automatically 347 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:01,840 adjusting the slope constantly, otherwise you'd fall on your face. 348 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,679 Speaker 1: Right, And you're doing this with your eyes closed. 349 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: A lot of times we train with your eyes closed. 350 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,159 I mean when you're actually playing, you you know you 351 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,279 don't do it with your eyes closed, But we want 352 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,200 to activate your sense of feel because your body has 353 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,159 a built in. You know, on your iPhone there's an 354 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,200 accelerometer which basically tells it if it's tilted left, right, 355 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,759 up or down. Well, he has that built in, so 356 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:23,720 you learn it when you're an infant and your mom 357 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:26,399 puts you down and sits you in a sitting position. 358 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:27,679 You fall in your face or you're fall in the 359 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:29,879 back of your head, and your body learns how to 360 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,720 keep itself upright. Well. When we're walking around during the day, 361 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,320 we're always walking on tilted surfaces, whether it's your driveway 362 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,639 or the golf course or a staircase, whatever, your body 363 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,080 is constantly adjusting to an uneven surface. And it's very, very, 364 00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:49,600 very highly developed, and it's largely conscious because we do 365 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:52,919 it so much. But we can use that same that 366 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:55,879 same sense to find slope on a golf green. So 367 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:58,960 we teach you is to learn by basically feeling. You're 368 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,360 in your feet and you in your your sense of 369 00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:04,680 balance where is the slope. So if you stand across 370 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,680 the slope, you can sense that. If you know your 371 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,359 right foot's high and your left pots slow, you can 372 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,720 feel that as you turn your body, your feet will 373 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:14,359 become level. One's not higher than the other. And if 374 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,839 your feet or level, it means you're facing directly into 375 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,119 the slope. So we just teach you how to walk 376 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,160 in and align your body straight up the slope. And 377 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,039 it's like I said, it's ninety five percent feel We 378 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:29,880 actually have a training exercise for students where will We'll 379 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,480 have them close their eyes and do the entire read 380 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,279 and hit the butt with their eyes clows and their 381 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:37,559 reeds are as good or better than if their eyes 382 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:40,599 are open. Wow. 383 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so you figure out how long? You figure out 384 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,480 the slope through feel, and that's it. 385 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, so you're basically you're basically just pointing your 386 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,279 toe up the slope. The biggest part is you have 387 00:17:54,319 --> 00:17:56,480 to you have to estimate how steep the slope is, 388 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,680 and so let's just say flat, average or steep. Once 389 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,839 you do that, you simply look at your ball and 390 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,839 that will show you what angles. It's a little bit 391 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:10,680 harder to describe on verbally, but you can. You can 392 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,960 determine very simply if your if your chest is pointing 393 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,000 straight up the slope and the ball is across your 394 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,519 right shoulder, that's a ninety degree angle. Okay, So your 395 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,440 your toes are facing straight up, and as the ball 396 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,559 comes across your shoulders, the angle gets bigger and bigger. 397 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:28,079 So if it's straight across my shoulder, it's ninety degrees 398 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:30,039 across the slope. And then I simply just look up 399 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:32,920 the brake So if I have that twenty foot putt 400 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,559 and I think it's an average slope, and I look 401 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:37,400 across and I see the ball at my right shoulder, 402 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,079 that ball two feet on a stem of ten, I 403 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:43,160 expect to you know, if it's a stim pate it's 404 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:47,279 a foot and half, it's different. And then then it 405 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,599 just frees you up to focus on speed. So what 406 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:50,880 we want to do is we want to make the 407 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,559 read portion of the of the of putting very short 408 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:57,519 and efficient walk up. It's a very logical process. How 409 00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:00,519 much should this ball break, Well it should break two feet? Okay, fine, 410 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:02,799 line up to two feet and now it's all about 411 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,480 feel and all about controlling speed. 412 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: And when you took this idea to the USGA initially, 413 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,160 well you were focused on television. 414 00:19:17,599 --> 00:19:20,279 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, when I went to the USGA, it was 415 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:23,920 about the that pomp pile of app which they said 416 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,759 no to, which is fine. I wasn't expecting them to 417 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:28,200 approve that. Then for the for television I had to 418 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,480 go to PGA Tour because the network said we'll use 419 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:35,079 it if the PGA Tour vouches for it. So six 420 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,480 months or work with the PJA Tour, just giving them 421 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:40,920 demonstrations until they signed off on it, and then I 422 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,920 had to go back to the us GA because after 423 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:48,400 we developed this system for normal golfers to use, which 424 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:50,960 relies to some degree on this chart I'm talking about, 425 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,119 we had to get approval for the chart. So I 426 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,880 had to go back to the USJA and submit that 427 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,559 and see if it was conforming, which it is, and 428 00:19:58,599 --> 00:19:59,920 then that's kind of the last time I talked to him. 429 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,000 That was that was a while ago. I was probably 430 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,039 five years ago. M hm. 431 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: And so now you have to you developed a curriculum 432 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:14,640 yes on this and what was the next process from there? 433 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 3: Uh? Then it was just perfecting it. I mean, you know, 434 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,160 how I teach now is different from how I taught 435 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,839 it a couple of years ago. We've learned more efficient 436 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,759 and easier ways to get the read. So there's a 437 00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:30,680 number of ways to get a read on a putt. 438 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,119 And what we've done is basically, we've taught thousands and 439 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,359 thousands and thousands of people. We've learned what works best 440 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,799 and what is more difficult, and basically all the things 441 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:42,599 that tend to be more difficult to learn or to 442 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,839 use as a player, we just got rid of them 443 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,519 and so it's the simplest possible way to get a read. 444 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,079 And that's what we currently teach. 445 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: And who are you teaching? 446 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 3: All sorts of golfers. I teach everything from PGA Tour 447 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,480 players and LPGA players down to high handicaps. Juniors. Lots 448 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:06,640 and lots of juniors learned this very very quickly. On 449 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,240 the LPGA, we've probably got about thirty girls who've gone 450 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,000 through it. Were probably fifteen or so guys who have 451 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:19,119 gone through it. Scott mcchaern was the first PGA Tour 452 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,880 player to use a point. He started three years ago. 453 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,920 He was way ahead of the curve and he and 454 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,960 his caddy both went through the process and he started 455 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:29,640 using it and within six months he went from I 456 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,759 think one hundred and seventy eighth and putting to fourteenth, 457 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:37,519 and then the next two years he was top ten 458 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,400 putts gained and currently this year he's been injured, so 459 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,039 he statistically doesn't show up, but if you look at 460 00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:46,240 his individual scorecard, he's ranked first in putts game. 461 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: Well that's testimony right there. 462 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:52,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. So he was the first person on the PGA Tour, 463 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:54,400 and then Stacy Lewis was the second, was the first 464 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,000 person on the LPGA and Stacy went from thirty something 465 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:01,920 in the world to who she was second this year 466 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,759 and I think she's pretty dark, so I think she's 467 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:07,079 only three points behind Yanni. And she started about eighteen 468 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,079 months ago and she went I don't know where she 469 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,559 wasn't the money, but she's ranked second and putting on 470 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,559 the LPGA first and top tens first, and you know 471 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,240 all kinds of things, rollocks player of the Year. And 472 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:23,960 this was a girl who had a good stroke, had 473 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,079 good speed, hit the ball very very well, and really 474 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,400 all you had to do is just clean up or 475 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,279 read a little bit and say here, here is the 476 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,200 correct place to be aiming these putts. And she's just 477 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,160 killed it out there. 478 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,519 Speaker 1: So once you start figuring out where the brakes are 479 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,359 and what that's gonna do, it's really all a matter 480 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,519 of your speed development. 481 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,079 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's it's a matter of being able to 482 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,920 start the ball online and really controlling speed. So we 483 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,240 see when once people learn the aim, usually their misses 484 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,720 are speed misses. You know, our aims are based on 485 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:00,000 a certain speech we'll call it a foot by the whole. 486 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,319 So basically, if you miss, the ball would go twelve 487 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,559 inches past the hole. So if they hit it firmer 488 00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:07,319 than that probably going to go over the top edge. 489 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,920 If you diet in the hole, it could miss a 490 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,599 little bit low. Although slower speeds tend to work better 491 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,279 than faster speeds, but it's really controlling the speed of 492 00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:16,720 the putt. 493 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: And why are slower better than faster. 494 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 3: Because slower the ball tends to be coming in higher 495 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,000 and softer, and it'll fall in the sides of the hole. 496 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,279 So the slower the ball, the wider the hole is. Effectively, 497 00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:34,000 as you hit the ball firmer and firmer, you can 498 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,039 go over the sides and it's not going to go in. 499 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,759 It's just going too fast to drop in. 500 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: I see that makes sense. 501 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, So if I hit a ball five feet past 502 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,720 the hole, which I know we don't want to, but 503 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,160 we've all done it, the effective width of the hole 504 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,240 is half an inch. So if I don't roll the 505 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:51,839 ball right over the center of the hole, it'll just 506 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,279 it'll bounce out. 507 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: And there are many people who claim to be putting gurus, 508 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,480 putting experts, putting instructors. 509 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: Have they received this A lot of them have received 510 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,200 it very well, because a lot of a lot of 511 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,799 my instructors. I have about one hundred and twenty certified 512 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,279 instructors around the world, and a lot of them are 513 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,119 are very good putting teachers. So for instance, Craig Farnsworth, renowned, 514 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,559 you know, putting guru. And what people like Craig have 515 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:20,960 realized is they teach the stroke, and they teach a 516 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,519 lot of times putter fitting and mechanics, but green reading 517 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,720 is really the foundation for that. You have to be 518 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:28,160 able to teach green reading to have a all around 519 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,200 great putter. So I can have the best stroke in 520 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,960 the world, and I can have the best speed control 521 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,480 in the world, but if I don't know what the 522 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,640 right target is, I'm not going to make putts. You 523 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,359 have to have to start with a good read and 524 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,119 then build everything else around that. So at a lot 525 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,240 of them are really really come on board. David Orr 526 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,680 was one of the very first guys, and he's a 527 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,759 great putting instructor, has been working with Justin Rose and 528 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:53,000 a lot of really top players lately, and he was 529 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:56,240 I think the first or second person I ever taught 530 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,079 that I ever certified. But they just realized it's just 531 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,160 part of the It's part of the a putting puzzle. 532 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,759 I need to read greens, I need to start the 533 00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:05,000 ball on line, and I need to control speed. And 534 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:08,039 you need all three of those to be great. 535 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: When you get to these uh, you you have these 536 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,319 certified instructors. When they come to you and realize that 537 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,519 you're just a guy. You're not a pg A pro, 538 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,440 You're You're just a guy with this idea of and 539 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,440 a curriculum. Uh do you do you get any resistance 540 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,559 on that? Like, wait a minute, why are you teaching me? 541 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:30,559 Speaker 3: Yes? I in the since in the beginning, it was 542 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,480 a it washing uphill battle because I was not from 543 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:35,720 the golf industry. I didn't know people in the industry. 544 00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:38,000 I was, you know, nobody knew who I was. And 545 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,839 I luckily had some some very good people who kind 546 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:42,839 of took me under their wing and helped me along. 547 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:45,839 Brian Mogg was the first instructor to really see it 548 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,359 and say this is really cool. You need to do 549 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,839 more with it. Uh. And then Mike Adams very shortly 550 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,480 after that said the same thing. And so you know, 551 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,160 I'm in this business largely because of those two guys, 552 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,680 Mike and Brian magg Because I didn't even know where 553 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,480 to start. I mean, I wasn't part of the golf industry, 554 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:04,119 and that was a very hard thing to break into. 555 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,920 So the first few years it was very difficult. But there, 556 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,359 you know, there's some really great instructors out there who 557 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,519 are very open minded, and I just kind of started 558 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:16,079 working with them. And then after you know, they got 559 00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:18,240 into it and saw how well it worked, and then 560 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,200 after players started getting into it, then more and more 561 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,359 instructors starting to starting to call and say, hey, this 562 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,559 is just something I need to learn. 563 00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. The beauty of word of mouth. 564 00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't do any advertising. One hundred 565 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,119 percent of what I do as word of mouth, whether 566 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,759 it's from players or instructors or or just you know, 567 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,720 golf clubs calling and saying, hey, I've got members who 568 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,400 really want to learn this. It's one hundred percent word 569 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:41,720 of mouth. 570 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing. Are some greens that you've you've brought this 571 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,440 to more difficult than others? So some golf courses. 572 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 3: I used to think that, and I don't anymore. I 573 00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:58,960 used to think there were some that were harder than others. 574 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:00,920 And you know, back when I first started, because I 575 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,160 didn't really understand all the pieces as well. But probably 576 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,000 in the last eighteen months or so, we've got the 577 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,039 process so refined that it just makes no difference, to 578 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:12,799 make absolutely no difference what the green looks like. I 579 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:18,119 think typically the hardest greens tend to be the flattest greens. Really, yeah, 580 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,319 where your eyes just completely start to fail and you 581 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,559 really have to be in your sense of feel because 582 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,519 you won't see the slope when it gets really flat. 583 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,279 You just won't see it, and you really have to 584 00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,200 be tuned into your feel. So we spend a lot 585 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,759 more time training that. When there's a lot of slope, 586 00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:35,920 it's obvious where it is. Speed is harder, but the 587 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,480 break is a piece of cake when it's deep. But 588 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,640 as it gets flatter and flatter, your eyes become more 589 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,880 and more useless to find what you're looking for. 590 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: So how do we find your certified instructors? They're all 591 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,200 over the world. 592 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: Right, Oh, I've got instructors and I think about twenty 593 00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:56,039 one countries now and then over the world, and you 594 00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:58,079 can find them on a point golf dot com. There's 595 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,119 a listing in air for instructors. Go I you know, 596 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,599 I highly recommend a lot of them are very good 597 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,400 golf pros. In addition to being green reading instructors. They're 598 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,279 great at at full swing, at putting mechanics, They've got 599 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,960 a big range of skills. So I definitely recommend finding 600 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,200 one in your area. I mean, I travel around a lot, 601 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,039 but you know, I'm only in any particular state maybe 602 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:26,160 once a year. But the local instructor, uh, they're they're 603 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,599 always available, and it's it's a very simple thing to learn. 604 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,880 It only takes a typical clinic is two hours, but 605 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,960 it's really only about an hour of learning and about 606 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,839 an hour of just practicing it so that when you 607 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,519 go out on course the next time you can, you 608 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:38,680 can do it comfortably. 609 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:48,799 Speaker 1: Has any instructor failed, I mean, what's that process? 610 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,759 Speaker 3: The certification is pretty strenuous. It's it's it's a closed system, 611 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,480 meaning it's it's not an open enrollment system. It's very 612 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,000 very particular about instructors because my theory is to have 613 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,640 fewer instructions actors who are very very high quality. Rather 614 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,720 than just saying, oh, there's ten thousand people out there 615 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,559 who can do this, just go find one. I want 616 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:08,440 to make sure that that you know, my group of 617 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,240 structures are the best in the world at green reading. 618 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,279 So with fewer instructors, we can spend a lot more 619 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,920 time one on one developing them. And nobody has failed certification, 620 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,240 although there have been a few that are how do 621 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,640 I put this on? They're not certified anymore of that. 622 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,559 Speaker 1: And what would what would make you revoke their certification? 623 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,359 Speaker 3: The biggest reasons are they just not teaching the ain 624 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,599 point system. So what happens with some people is I've 625 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,759 been doing this for almost ten years and there's lots 626 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,519 of things that I purposely don't teach because they're either 627 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,359 very difficult, or they fail in certain situations, or the 628 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,039 students just don't understand them. And sometimes in the beginning, 629 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,759 when you get in structures, they go, oh, yeah, that's 630 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:53,880 all cool, but I really want to do it this way, 631 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,119 you know, something totally different, which I know doesn't work 632 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,279 or doesn't work as well because we've already know it 633 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:04,000 with three hundred other students, and just occasionally an instructor 634 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:06,079 just they're just insist on kind of putting their own 635 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:10,759 stamp on it. Sometimes that's helpful. Sometimes they actually come 636 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,240 up with good ideas, and sometimes they really kind of 637 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,279 go in the wrong direction. And you know, I've had 638 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,559 not very often, but I did have a situation where 639 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:21,880 somebody did the school and one of these students called 640 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,359 me and said, I just didn't get any of it. 641 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160 I have no idea what's going on, and a really 642 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,759 good player, and I went and taught this player afterwards, 643 00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:32,359 and you know, thirty or forty minutes they understood it. 644 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,400 And that just shows that the instructor wasn't really doing 645 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,039 their job. And again, it's pretty rare for that to happen, 646 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,640 but when it does happen, we cleaned it out pretty fast. 647 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,039 Speaker 1: Wow, good for you. 648 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: You know, any points of brand like any other brand, 649 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,480 and you know you have to you really really have 650 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,480 to be vigilant about keeping quality high to make sure 651 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160 that everybody who takes it at any point class is 652 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,440 getting the same uh the curriculum. Basically, you know, if 653 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,880 you take a class from me or any other instructor, 654 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,640 should really be learning the same stuff. 655 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,359 Speaker 1: How about architects. I always find it fascinating talking to 656 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,720 architects because you know, they're not golf professionals like the 657 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,119 two of us. They're guys who are you know, They 658 00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,359 on paper, they do stuff on paper, and generally they're 659 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:22,079 not great golfers, so they understand the pains of what 660 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,279 it is, you know, what they're designing and how to 661 00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:27,279 mess with people's heads. How have they responded to this? 662 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting. I really don't work much with architects. 663 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,440 I've done a few redesigned jobs on greens where we 664 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,759 basically can take a green and help them reshape it 665 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,519 for faster green speed. So they tend to be older courses, 666 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,960 you know, maybe an old Donald Ross design where they 667 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,960 were designed for stimp seven and they're running them at 668 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,160 thirteen now. But architects are fascinating because they a lot 669 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,359 of them understand how to fool your eyes, and they 670 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,920 understand how to flame a steep slope and a subtle 671 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,200 slope so that you really can't visually figure out what's 672 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,759 going on. Sometimes it's accidental, but but the better ones 673 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,759 understand those optical illusions and they'll purposely build those in. 674 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,759 And I love those because every time I see an 675 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,559 optical illusion, I'm just you know, dying to figure out, Okay, 676 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,839 why do I see the ball going right and the 677 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,759 ball actually goes hard left? Like what is that that illusion? 678 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,759 How do they create those angles to trick me? And 679 00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:19,920 they do it on purpose, There's no question they do 680 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,480 it on purpose. Oh yeah, hear them, you know, really 681 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,079 out there bragging about it, but you see it. And 682 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,279 what I love about that is, you know our system. 683 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,599 It doesn't matter what the optics look like. If you 684 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,559 follow the system, it'll give you the right read. But 685 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,319 it's really cool sometimes to put that. Every person you 686 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,359 ask says, well, this is the right edge putt and 687 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,960 they hit it and it goes two feet to the right. 688 00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:45,440 You know, just just absolutely visually cannot get the read 689 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,599 right visually because the architect has done such a good 690 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,920 job disguising through slope. 691 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: What have you learned about golf course design or green 692 00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:56,799 design through this process? 693 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,319 Speaker 3: Uh, the biggest thing I've learned is that you have 694 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,119 to have slope. You got to get water off. So 695 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,000 any any architect or any superintendents. Superintendents are actually really 696 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:09,319 good at finding slope because they understand that. They understand 697 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,119 the water has to move off the green of the 698 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,880 grass diyes. So what I've understand is there's a range 699 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,960 of slopes you want to put on a green. It's 700 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,119 got to be at least one percent to get water off, 701 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,599 but anything more than four percent is unpinnable. So if 702 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,359 you have a seven thousand square foot green. The question is, well, 703 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:29,720 how many pin positions do I want? If it's too steep, 704 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:31,079 then I don't have a lot of pins. If it's 705 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,799 too flat, it's boring. So there's got to be some 706 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,920 healthy mix of flat areas and steep areas. So if 707 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,920 you look at somewhere like Augusta, you know they've got 708 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,000 flat areas and they've got steep areas, And if you're 709 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,599 not in the right section of the green, it can 710 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,319 be very difficult. But once you're in the correct section 711 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,160 of the green, it's perfectly fair. In other words, the 712 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,319 putting is is they're fair putts, meaning they're not they're 713 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,559 not too steep, but they're not too difficult. It really 714 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:57,519 puts a high premium aunt approach shots. So the interesting 715 00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,680 thing I found is, Okay, well, what do you want 716 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,519 this grew to do? What do you want to reward? 717 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:03,680 What do you want to punish? How much do you 718 00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:05,640 want to punish somebody for being in the wrong area? 719 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,199 And that's just a designer's job. You know, what do 720 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,159 I want to do with this? What do I want 721 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,360 to force them to do? I do they need to 722 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,440 hit it within ten feet? Like the top right at 723 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,440 the sixteenth green at the Gussa. When they get that 724 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,719 top right pin, if you're not within ten feet, the 725 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,719 ball goes all the way to the bottom. The kid's 726 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,440 punishing for not having a good approach shot. But if 727 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,360 you hit it inside ten feet's an easy putt. 728 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: Amazing. So I'm reviewing your website and there's a lot 729 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,840 of things that I would just love a little explanation. 730 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,880 You have products on here. What are the products that 731 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,400 Aimpoint offers. 732 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 3: Well, the main products are green Reading curriculum, so basically 733 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,760 just teaching golfers how to read greens. Also got the 734 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,320 TV product which is really just geared towards the networks 735 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,519 for existing students. I have an iPhone app which is 736 00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,800 really makes the most sense for people who have taken 737 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,320 a class. If you haven't taking a class, it's not 738 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,280 as you won't use it properly most likely, so it's 739 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,440 really there to support people have already gone through a 740 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:09,239 name Point class to help them learn faster. 741 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 1: And how long does the class take? 742 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 3: Typically two hours? Okay, two hours is plenty of time 743 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,679 in a big class. If I have a one on 744 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:19,800 one student, I can usually get them to double breaks 745 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,400 in about forty five minutes. Believe it or not. Not 746 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,840 that difficult. And then and then we'll be developing more products, 747 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:28,639 you know, throughout the year. 748 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: And why is there a putter recommended on aim point? 749 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 3: Very good question. So, so I partner with Adele Golf 750 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,760 because they make custom putters that are designed to aim 751 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,199 where you think they're aimed. So what they do is 752 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,000 they design the putter to match your optics. Okay, so 753 00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,119 you might get a putter off the shelf and you 754 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,079 think you think you aim at straight and you actually 755 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:57,079 aim at five degrees left, but aim at five degrees left. Well, 756 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,440 what a Dell does is they say, okay, based on 757 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,840 how you say it up and what your personalized optics 758 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,599 look like, we're going to configure the putter that is 759 00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:09,239 pointing where you think it's pointing. And what your putter 760 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,679 might be is completely different than what my putter might 761 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,400 look like. So they go through a fitting process where 762 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,840 they figure out exactly what combination of head shape and 763 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,320 hozzle and lie and lines will will get you aiming 764 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,639 the putter straight. Because once you aim the putter at 765 00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:25,639 your target, then you can make a pure stroke. You 766 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,840 don't have to make compensations. The second thing they do, 767 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,719 which is really cool, is they change the waiting of 768 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,960 your putter so that you can have the best speed control. 769 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,159 So me, for instance, I like to feel weight in 770 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:36,679 my hands, and if I have a putter head that's 771 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,679 too light, I really struggle with speed. But once I 772 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:41,679 get the correct weighting, whether it's in the head or 773 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,920 the shaft or even the under the grip of the putter, 774 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,599 it's much more easy to control speed. 775 00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: Wow, you know I never even thought of that. Is 776 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:56,559 that your putter? You know you should be I guess 777 00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,480 you should be fitted for your putter, just like you 778 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,360 should be fitted for all your golf clubs. 779 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I the more I do this, the 780 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,679 more important I think equipment is because I can take 781 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,239 I can take any golfer and give them three different 782 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,239 putters and one of the lame left, one the lime right, 783 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,400 and one the lame straight. Well, if you're aiming left 784 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,320 and where you think all the time, what do you 785 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,920 have to do to make a putt? You have to 786 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,920 either hit it really hard, or you have to push 787 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,559 it up the hill, or you have to open the face, 788 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,320 and it forces all these compensations which aren't necessarily good 789 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,320 for you. But if I know where I'm and imagine 790 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,159 if you're staying in the fair way and you were 791 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,480 aimed forty yards left of the pin, Okay, well what 792 00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:35,880 do you have to do. You've got to you know, 793 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,079 hit a big slice or you've got a block, or 794 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:40,760 you've got to do something with your swing versus if 795 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,000 you really lined up correctly at the pin. So I 796 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,360 don't teach full swing at all, but I know a 797 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,119 lot of full swing instructors say, you know, alignment is 798 00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,679 so critically important to your full swing. Well, it's the 799 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,840 same way with putting. Okay, if I'm not pointing my 800 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,039 putter where I want to hit it, then then I've 801 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:57,880 got to manipulate the face or manipulate the speed to 802 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,719 try to make the putt. 803 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,599 Speaker 1: And you use the what is it? Adele adele el 804 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:09,760 is awesome and and that has also impacted your your putting. 805 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,079 Speaker 3: Oh oh hugely. I had a putter before that I 806 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:15,639 couldn't name at all, but I didn't know it. I 807 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:18,679 had my putter and I got this putter and it was, 808 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,280 you know, three or four degrees left all the time. 809 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,440 I was like, well, no, wonder you know, I struggle 810 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,440 with this. So I went through the fitting process and 811 00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:28,199 they gave me a putter that aim straight and then 812 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,159 fitted me for the waiting so that the weight of 813 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,960 the putter felt right to my brain so I could 814 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,639 control speed. And it's just a world of difference. 815 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk to you more when we 816 00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:40,920 get off on that one, because maybe we should bring 817 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:41,880 them on the show too. 818 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's really they're really really good stuff, really 819 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,400 cool putters and beautiful. They're all handmade and customized and 820 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,760 it's a it's a real special piece of equipment. Wow. 821 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: Fabulous. Well, I'm just so impressed with your success and 822 00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,920 I'm really happy for you. It's awesome. There's been some 823 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,880 amazing things said about aim Point. You know, you haven't 824 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:08,760 quotes listed here on the website. My favorite, you know 825 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:13,119 is it would what Golf Channel says, it's the best 826 00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,079 kept secret in golf. And I guess they were trying 827 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:17,559 to keep you a secret for a while because they 828 00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:19,159 wanted it all to themselves. 829 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, they they had a they had a good run. 830 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,760 Like I said, they got their their first Emmy and 831 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,079 they they did a good job. They took they took 832 00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,239 a risk with with the with aim Point. Well, before 833 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,639 anybody else did, and luckily, you know, it paid off 834 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,320 for them. So I've always had a lot of gratitude 835 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,119 for Golf Channel for kind of going out on a limb. 836 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I really. 837 00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 3: Believed possible and they and they did it anyway, amazing. 838 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,039 Speaker 1: Well Mark, congratulations and thanks again so much for for 839 00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:49,800 so much of your time. And I wish you all 840 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,679 the luck in the world because you, like I said, 841 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,000 you got seventy five children and you got to put 842 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:56,000 them all through college, so this is definitely going to 843 00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:57,159 help great. 844 00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Bred