Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the official, and i'd say official, I
Speaker 1: mean official announcement that our YouTube channel is back online
Speaker 1: after over a year and a half. We have finally
Speaker 1: got our act together and we have a team that
Speaker 1: is actually processing our feed and every week we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a new subject, a new topic, a new guest
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel. So you have to go to
Speaker 1: YouTube and just punch in Earth Ancients. You'll see the logo,
Speaker 1: go ahead and click it. We're slowly ramping up. I
Speaker 1: think we only have about five, maybe six new videos,
Speaker 1: but we're bringing back the A listers. We're currently editing
Speaker 1: Graham Hancock. This week's Randall Carlson Randall will be up
Speaker 1: on Saturday, the twenty six, could be earlier, but we're
Speaker 1: going back. We have all the greats, Robert Temple, early
Speaker 1: versions of John, Anthony West, Robert Schock, A listers, all
Speaker 1: the top people, Chris Donne and so on and so on.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's been tough, tough. I have to
Speaker 1: admit I've run into some bad luck. I had a
Speaker 1: production company in London that was working on our videos.
Speaker 1: They were purchased by another company and they didn't like
Speaker 1: our material and so they dropped us, even though we
Speaker 1: had over one hundred thousand likes and we were rocking it.
Speaker 1: They didn't like us, and so they dropped us without
Speaker 1: really any fanfare, any transitional support. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: when you have somebody editing your work, you got to
Speaker 1: be really careful who you're working with because they could
Speaker 1: edit out some important material. So to have a team
Speaker 1: in place that is kind of understanding of your material,
Speaker 1: they won't edit out key details, they will make the
Speaker 1: product better. That is a challenge. And I want to
Speaker 1: say the team of Face Sale Parves and everyone who
Speaker 1: works at his company, facil You guys rock and you
Speaker 1: are a wonderful addition to the earth Ansians family. And
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you and what you're doing. So when
Speaker 1: you hear me acknowledge face All at the end of
Speaker 1: every program, you'll know who I'm talking about. And he
Speaker 1: happens to be in Pakistan. I'm here in San Francisco, California,
Speaker 1: and I love that. You know, a few years ago,
Speaker 1: you know, international trade or international consultants were iffy, but
Speaker 1: this is part of the growth. This is part of
Speaker 1: international trade working with other companies and trusting that they'll
Speaker 1: do a good job. And I got to tell you,
Speaker 1: Fasil has done a wonderful job. I trust him implicitly,
Speaker 1: and he is so talented. We're going to do the
Speaker 1: best of Graham Hancock, the best of Randall Carlson. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do see some of these best of because remember
Speaker 1: Earth Ancients was launched in twenty fourteen, in the infancy,
Speaker 1: or I should say during the infancy of podcasting. Now,
Speaker 1: we didn't start doing the zoom until twenty twenty, and
Speaker 1: so we won't have anything before twenty twenty. But we
Speaker 1: all have some fantastic early interviews with some of the
Speaker 1: most brilliant, brightest and wonderfully and insightful guests that Earth
Speaker 1: Ancients has had over the years, and we're slowly repopulating
Speaker 1: these the channel so that you get a sense of
Speaker 1: the past, you can get a sense of the present,
Speaker 1: and in some cases we have people that are speaking
Speaker 1: about the future.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: One area that I am still working on is getting
Speaker 1: Destiny up and running in the manner because we've been
Speaker 1: recording Destiny around the same amount of time twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and there are some brilliant people on Destiny, and I
Speaker 1: consider Destiny our little sister, because it came out of,
Speaker 1: you know, the work we have done with Earth ancients,
Speaker 1: and if you really follow Destiny closely, you'll know that
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful support for Earth ancients. It's a wonderful
Speaker 1: addition to Earth ancients because in many cases it is
Speaker 1: about the subtleties of our past. The meditation practice is
Speaker 1: understanding the physiology, understanding how our ancestors walk the planet
Speaker 1: and use psychic abilities, understood the energetics of the Earth
Speaker 1: simply by closing their eyes and being more in touch
Speaker 1: with nature. And so Destiny is wonderful because we're talking
Speaker 1: about DMT, we're talking about ayahuasca. When I had Graham
Speaker 1: Hancock on the program presenting information on Visionary at the time,
Speaker 1: that was all about ayahuasca and his journeying seventy plus
Speaker 1: times on ayahuasca. So that's a critical, critical part of
Speaker 1: the program. So my point is that we're not quite
Speaker 1: up to speed with Destiny. We are still building a website,
Speaker 1: but I would like to fully represent the guests with
Speaker 1: its own YouTube channel. So but we're mostly known, I
Speaker 1: should say, Cliff Dunning myself, yours truly is known mostly
Speaker 1: for Earth Ancients, and Earth Ancients is an international phenomenon,
Speaker 1: and I think it's you know, it's very fitting that
Speaker 1: we have a new channel, with a new team and
Speaker 1: with a whole new brand. The introduction, by the way,
Speaker 1: for people who want to know what the introduction, the
Speaker 1: music at every at the beginning of very show is
Speaker 1: it's called Atlantis and it's a studio artist. You can
Speaker 1: actually look it up and find it. It's called Atlantis
Speaker 1: by Olive Music. I think it's a French band there,
Speaker 1: studio artist, and I think you can actually order a
Speaker 1: copy of it. It's studio music, though there's it's not
Speaker 1: something you want to play all the time. I took
Speaker 1: only a few seconds of it. It's running at two
Speaker 1: minutes forty five seconds, so it kind of repeats itself.
Speaker 1: It's made for commercials. So if you're really desperate for
Speaker 1: a copy, send me an email. Send it to Earth
Speaker 1: Agents the number four of the letter. You a Gmail,
Speaker 1: and I promise to get it back to you. I'll
Speaker 1: get you a copy that you can listen to. So
Speaker 1: there you go. We are officially on YouTube and it's
Speaker 1: getting it's growing on a daily basis, on a weekly basis,
Speaker 1: and I will be announcing today's guest is Randall Carlson.
Speaker 1: He has a ton of visual items including graphs, photographs,
Speaker 1: and images to promote his talk today, and it's always
Speaker 1: fun to have Randall. We haven't had Randall on for
Speaker 1: about a year. He was scheduled to be part of
Speaker 1: the Cosmic Summit team of guests, but we couldn't get
Speaker 1: him on quite at the same time, so we are
Speaker 1: presenting him today and I want to mention that he
Speaker 1: is talking about some things that are a little different,
Speaker 1: most notably this turid meteor stream, which I've only learned
Speaker 1: about recently in the last year, and the fact that
Speaker 1: Earth passes through this twice a year, twice a year year.
Speaker 1: And you'll hear that Randall is sounding the alarm for
Speaker 1: more awareness of this stream because it's likely to have
Speaker 1: hit once about sixty six million years ago that wiped
Speaker 1: out the dinosaurs and caused it was a terminating event.
Speaker 1: If there were human like civilizations or groups, they were destroyed,
Speaker 1: as well as the MegaFon of the big animals, pretty
Speaker 1: much the dinosaurs too. Everything was destroyed. It was it
Speaker 1: was terminating. Obviously, there were enough of these early hominin
Speaker 1: people or beings that we could reboot. But again we
Speaker 1: went through the stream, this toward media stream again around
Speaker 1: nine thousand, five hundred BC hundred twelve thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: years ago, and it disturbed. We got nailed with another
Speaker 1: their asteroid that ended the Younger Driest definitely wiped out
Speaker 1: a great deal of animal life, and we're gonna learn
Speaker 1: all about that today and why it's important to be
Speaker 1: more aware of passing through this and really being prepared,
Speaker 1: and so we kind of end the show on that
Speaker 1: on that theme. So today's program is the Great Upheaval,
Speaker 1: and my guest is Randall Carlson, so he's good at checking.
Speaker 1: With Randall Carlson. We missed Randall at the Cosmic Summit recently.
Speaker 1: He was the keynote there. From all indications, he rocked
Speaker 1: the boat as he always does, and people were just
Speaker 1: astounded at his material. Today's theme with Randall is the
Speaker 1: Great Upheaval, and we'll get to exactly what that means shortly.
Speaker 1: But Randall is a what you can consider a rogue
Speaker 1: geologist who's traveling the country constantly. And by the way,
Speaker 1: if you ever want to get a sense of what
Speaker 1: has happened to our planet, join when Randall's tours are
Speaker 1: excellent and he goes all over the United States pointing
Speaker 1: out geological disasters front and center. So hey, Randal, good
Speaker 1: to see you. Man, how you been.
Speaker 2: I've been bright.
Speaker 1: Good to see you, Cliff fantastic. Hey, how was a
Speaker 1: cosmic summit? What's your What was your impression?
Speaker 2: My impression is it just overwhelming? You know, don't have
Speaker 2: it really well? I gave it was in a ninety
Speaker 2: minute presentation and then on I think that was on Sunday, Saturday,
Speaker 2: and then Monday I did a three hour workshop for
Speaker 2: anybody who wanted to take it on.
Speaker 1: Oh you did a special presentation on Monday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did a class. It was like a
Speaker 2: classroom on sacred geometry.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: So I took people through some of the preliminary drawing exercises.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny because George Howard does a good job.
Speaker 1: He makes sure that everything is streamed and so we
Speaker 1: have a lot of people that listen to Earth the
Speaker 1: Ancients from around the world that actually just dial in
Speaker 1: and capture the streaming. So that's really a good idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And you know, the people that come together,
Speaker 2: there's a broad spectrum of people from hardcore, solid academic scientists. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all the way to more. I guess you know what
Speaker 2: you consider a fringe, although what used to be pretty
Speaker 2: much you know, defined as fringe isn't so fringe anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, like Graham Hancock says, everything keeps getting older,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's constantly new discoveries that are hard
Speaker 2: to keep up with, you know, that are really changing
Speaker 2: our own understanding of the past. And there's a whole
Speaker 2: lot more to it than was assumed even a generation
Speaker 2: or two ago. You know, the human past on planet Earth,
Speaker 2: and I know you of all people are well aware
Speaker 2: of this is a little much deeper and much more
Speaker 2: complex than the textbook versions of prehistory.
Speaker 1: Yet yet archaeologists have a really hard stop when it
Speaker 1: comes to pre civilization prehistory, and so you're looking at
Speaker 1: cultures that may have been around prior to what we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about today, the younger Dreest hypothesis. Before
Speaker 1: we move on, did you get a chance to see
Speaker 1: the bell collection of a stone artifacts that he brought
Speaker 1: with him the vase.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and i'd actually see you those when I
Speaker 2: visited him in Florida at his Oh, you've actually been okay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So he he he had him in a a in
Speaker 2: a secured room and let me go in there and
Speaker 2: along with my buddy Mike Robertson, who you know, he's
Speaker 2: the the who does the how Tube. He was with me,
Speaker 2: and so he matt led us into the room there
Speaker 2: and we were able to handle the vases.
Speaker 1: And oh, you actually picked him up. Did you put
Speaker 1: on some gloves just before you could touch him or what?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't really I yeah, I asked him, you know,
Speaker 2: when we can, I can I take this vase when
Speaker 2: we go in to do the interview. Maybe I could
Speaker 2: have some coffee in here and see, No, I didn't
Speaker 2: ask him that. So, yeah, it's impressive. I mean they're
Speaker 2: they're very highly polished, very very accurate, precision made. So
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about pottery and that side of
Speaker 2: the thing to have much of an opinion other than
Speaker 2: the fact it seems to me that you know, people
Speaker 2: like Ben van Kirkwick and who's the other guy who's
Speaker 2: been doing a lot of work on there, you know.
Speaker 1: You Mark Young?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark Young?
Speaker 2: Is it Mark Young?
Speaker 1: Because he has a couple of pieces that he's got
Speaker 1: years ago and he's presenting him personally.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, do.
Speaker 1: You think they were cut on a lathe Does it
Speaker 1: look like they are? Definitely sure?
Speaker 2: Does look like it to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a machine cut of some kind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do look like their precision machine made. I
Speaker 2: have a hard time understanding how those vases could be
Speaker 2: made by hand. It's just yeah. But again, I'm not
Speaker 2: an expert in that. So you know, if I had
Speaker 2: been looking at lots of pottery, lots of vases and
Speaker 2: things like that over the years and had a comparison
Speaker 2: in my mind, I might be able to say, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: this one's obviously made by hand, and this one is
Speaker 2: very much more precise. Yeah, but I don't have that
Speaker 2: level of expertise.
Speaker 1: But I know, I'm just curious because that was kind
Speaker 1: of a highlight of the conference, and George Howard, the producer,
Speaker 1: had mentioned it. I was like, I couldn't get myself
Speaker 1: out there this year because of other commitments, but I
Speaker 1: really wanted to see those. Hey, let's talk about the
Speaker 1: great upheaval. This is such a compelling topic. One thing
Speaker 1: that I didn't realize is that our planet Earth goes
Speaker 1: through this. I guess it's called torred meteor stream twice yearly,
Speaker 1: and for the most part the meteors and other solid
Speaker 1: objects are so small that they burn up an Earth's atmosphere.
Speaker 1: But it's the feeling, your feeling and a few other
Speaker 1: people's feelings that during this impact. This is where this
Speaker 1: terminating meteor came from.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, okay, so a couple of things here. Young,
Speaker 2: let's some sketch out the broad picture for people listening.
Speaker 2: The younger driest boundary, I mean, which has been known
Speaker 2: about for decades but never had a really satisfactory explanation.
Speaker 2: The more they begin to learn about the younger Dryest boundary,
Speaker 2: the weirder it got. And finally somebody says, well, I
Speaker 2: think we need to broaden our perspective. And so in
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven a paper came out. It was
Speaker 2: lead author was Richard Firestone, Alan West, and I think
Speaker 2: there was seventeen co authors, including George Howard I think
Speaker 2: his name was on that paper as well. Where they
Speaker 2: begin to look at this well defined layer, can in
Speaker 2: a minute here we can pull up so people can
Speaker 2: see what actually defines that layer. It's called the black mate.
Speaker 2: You've heard of that, Yeah, Now there are black mats
Speaker 2: that are basically they are creating in environments where there's moisture,
Speaker 2: where algae blooms, and so there are different black matte
Speaker 2: layers with different dating, but there is a very prominent
Speaker 2: one at the Younger Drives boundary, and so they took
Speaker 2: a closer look at that, and what they found there
Speaker 2: was proxies for impact for an impact of some kind
Speaker 2: of a cosmic object, an asteroid or a comet or
Speaker 2: something in between. Like we now know that the whole
Speaker 2: definition of comet an asteroid has gotten very plastic, because
Speaker 2: used to be they were very distinct objects in space.
Speaker 2: But now what's happened there's a lot of hybrids and
Speaker 2: there's almost a continuum of objects. There are comet like
Speaker 2: asteroids and there are asteroid like comets. So whatever it was,
Speaker 2: and the critics of the hypothesis, one of the things
Speaker 2: that they kept emphasizing was that the proxies you know
Speaker 2: what I mean by a proc see in other words,
Speaker 2: we're not seeing the impact itself for the actual object.
Speaker 2: So we have to look at the secondary consequences. For example,
Speaker 2: if you have diamonds, nanodiamonds that are only created under
Speaker 2: extremely high pressure, right, that's a proxy, So you go, Okay,
Speaker 2: there had to be something here. We don't see the
Speaker 2: actual object, but we see the effects of that object,
Speaker 2: so that's a proxy. A proxy might be little marble
Speaker 2: like spherals that form when you have a hypervelocity impact.
Speaker 2: One of the things that it does is it rapidly
Speaker 2: melts not only itself but the target material that it
Speaker 2: crashes into, and that will create a vapor, and when
Speaker 2: that vapor cools and crystallizes out, it'll rain back to
Speaker 2: Earth and you'll get these small little microspherals. They're very shiny.
Speaker 2: That's a proxy. And you have metals platinum group metals
Speaker 2: that are rare in the surface of the Earth but
Speaker 2: abundant in asteroids, and meteors like a radium and platinum, osmium, ruthenium,
Speaker 2: and so if you see, and this is how they
Speaker 2: discovered back in seventy nine to eighty when the scientists
Speaker 2: Walter Alvarez and his father and their team discovered that
Speaker 2: there had been an impact at the KT boundaries. It's
Speaker 2: called that's the one sixty six million years ago where
Speaker 2: the dinosaurs went extinct. For years and years, the question
Speaker 2: had been what caused the extinction of the dinosaurs. Well,
Speaker 2: so Walter Alvarez and his team, they were looking at
Speaker 2: this boundary layer very kind of in a way similar
Speaker 2: to the Younger Dryas boundary layer, except separated by sixty
Speaker 2: six million years, right, But they're looking at this boundary layer,
Speaker 2: and they wanted to know over this little thick layer,
Speaker 2: they want to know, Okay, how long did it take
Speaker 2: for this layer here to be deposited. Was it a
Speaker 2: couple of days or was it a couple of centuries
Speaker 2: or what was it? So they knew that there's a
Speaker 2: steady rain of cosmic material, a gentle, steady rain of
Speaker 2: microscopic cosmic material to the Earth from space. Right, Iridium
Speaker 2: is one of those things that comes down in this
Speaker 2: cosmic dusting that's taking place constantly even as we speak.
Speaker 2: But so what they were going to do is they
Speaker 2: were going to look at the iridium and try to
Speaker 2: figure out because they pretty much assumed the rate at
Speaker 2: which the iridium dust is accreating to the Earth. But
Speaker 2: then they looked there and they realized that, wait a second,
Speaker 2: this is like more than one hundred times more dense
Speaker 2: than the background amount. So just so right there at
Speaker 2: that kt boundary, you have this big spike of iridium
Speaker 2: above it, it goes back to the background, which is
Speaker 2: less than a hundredth and below it. So you've this
Speaker 2: much iridium below it, you've got this much iridium above it,
Speaker 2: and then in that one little little naire layer you've
Speaker 2: got a huge amount of a radium. So they contacted
Speaker 2: their colleagues around the world and to go, I said,
Speaker 2: go back and take a look at that KT boundary
Speaker 2: and see if there's an iridium spie. So there was
Speaker 2: scientists in Denmark and scientists in New Zealand that were
Speaker 2: early on. They go and they found the KT boundary
Speaker 2: in Denmark and they looked at it, and sure enough,
Speaker 2: there was a huge iridium spie in New Zealand. They
Speaker 2: looked huge iridium spike. Well over the next year or two,
Speaker 2: sites all over the world from that sixty six million
Speaker 2: year dinosaur killing era all had this cosmic metal. So
Speaker 2: then you sort of reverse engineer and you go, Okay,
Speaker 2: it looks like the entire planet got dusted with a radium.
Speaker 2: Now we know the percentage the content of iridium that's
Speaker 2: say in an asteroid, right, we know how much is
Speaker 2: in a meteorite. So in order to get enough iridium
Speaker 2: to dust the whole world. How big of an asteroid
Speaker 2: do you need to deliver that volume of iridium? Well,
Speaker 2: the calculations were about a six mile in diameter asteroid.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you've got a six mile in
Speaker 2: diameter asteroid coming in at you know, say fifteen miles
Speaker 2: per second, Think about fifteen miles per second that thing
Speaker 2: is moving it, you know, ten to ten to twenty
Speaker 2: times the speed of a high power for high powered
Speaker 2: rifle bullet. It's the size of Mount Everest. Right. Boom, Okay,
Speaker 2: that was it. That's set into motion this whole set
Speaker 2: of feedbacks that it looks like that ultimately took out
Speaker 2: the dinosaurs. And it may have not been overnight, but
Speaker 2: it was probably it was in a very very short
Speaker 2: period of time.
Speaker 1: And you're telling me that's a planetary wide event. That's
Speaker 1: what they call a true terminating event.
Speaker 2: That's a terminating event. Yes. Now, the event of younger
Speaker 2: Dryest Boundary, which is now dated to just a little
Speaker 2: bit younger than twelve nine hundred years, has similarities and
Speaker 2: parallels with the dinosaur killing event, but on a smaller scale.
Speaker 2: Because if a six mile asteroid cliff had struck the
Speaker 2: Earth twelve nine hundred years ago. We wouldn't be having
Speaker 2: this conversation today. In fact, we wouldn't even be here
Speaker 2: because human beings, unless they had figured out how to
Speaker 2: get into space, wouldn't have survived an event of that severity.
Speaker 2: You know, it was just it was worldwide. There was
Speaker 2: worldwide firestorms, There were vulcanism on a huge scale that
Speaker 2: was triggered. There was seismic responses like earthquakes ten to
Speaker 2: one hundred times more powerful than anything we've experienced in
Speaker 2: modern times. The list of acid rain with a of
Speaker 2: like one, so you know, it's like battery ass a
Speaker 2: rainstorm of battery acid. Then then there was the cosmic
Speaker 2: winter that you know, there was so for decades. Then
Speaker 2: the whole planet froze over. I mean, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: really bad time to be alive. Now, that's sixty six
Speaker 2: million years ago, the younger, dryest boundaries, like I said,
Speaker 2: a little bit less than twelve nine hundred years ago,
Speaker 2: and it's not of the same scale, and yet relative
Speaker 2: to what we've experienced in modern civilization and since the
Speaker 2: rise of modern science, it was extreme. It was an
Speaker 2: extreme event in its own right, and the more we
Speaker 2: learn about it, the more widespread it gets, like at
Speaker 2: first it was maybe just regional to North America. Well
Speaker 2: then you know, then then evidence is being found in Chile,
Speaker 2: in Argentina, in Patagonia, even looks like in Antarctica. Now
Speaker 2: it's being found recently, younger, driest evidence was found in Siberia.
Speaker 2: So it looks like it's worldwide.
Speaker 1: But it's not considered a terminating event because there obviously
Speaker 1: was some humanoids that were left. It killed most of
Speaker 1: the North American according to the writing the North American
Speaker 1: megafund of the big land animals, but obviously other parts
Speaker 1: of Europe and Asia and perhaps the South American area
Speaker 1: weren't affected as much, were they.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, that's a very good question, Cliff. So we
Speaker 2: can consider that the loss of species is going to
Speaker 2: be directly a function of the loss of habitat. If
Speaker 2: you destroy the habitat that the particular species is adapted
Speaker 2: to and survives in and on that habitat, there's a
Speaker 2: very good chance that they will go extinct if they
Speaker 2: don't adapt. And what we see is that both North
Speaker 2: and South America lost about seventy five percent, about three
Speaker 2: quarters of their megafaunal species by the younger dryas. It
Speaker 2: looks like some of the extinctions might have started a
Speaker 2: little earlier. There may have been a few survivals past
Speaker 2: the younger dryests, but they died out shortly thereafter. But
Speaker 2: it looks like the younger dryat is pretty much the
Speaker 2: boundary where you see the final termination of the megafauna.
Speaker 2: Let's define megafauna anything more than about one hundred pounds
Speaker 2: in body weight, so that would qualify youman Eyecliff, as
Speaker 2: being megafauna you were in case you were wondering. So
Speaker 2: so three quarters, roughly three quarters now go to Eurasia,
Speaker 2: about thirty five percent go to Africa, about ten depends
Speaker 2: on who's counting, but ten, maybe fifteen percent. So what
Speaker 2: it looks like is the western hemisphere was more severely impacted,
Speaker 2: say than Europe and Asia and Africa for sure, the
Speaker 2: northern hemisphere probably more severely impacted than the southern hemisphere.
Speaker 2: I think that North America was probably ground zero for
Speaker 2: a series of impact events. But to me, what you
Speaker 2: can extrapolate from that is that, again, if the species
Speaker 2: loss is a yardstick for habitat loss, then the greatest
Speaker 2: habitat loss would have been in North and South America.
Speaker 2: And I used to think that North America had the
Speaker 2: most species loss, but South America is right there. They're
Speaker 2: very close in some course, and even with some estimates,
Speaker 2: South America might have lost a few more species in
Speaker 2: North America. And I haven't studied the geology and the
Speaker 2: planetary transitions in the region of South America like I
Speaker 2: have North America. But when we look at Africa, look
Speaker 2: at the Serengate Plaine and think about the megafauna. That's
Speaker 2: the greatest concentration of megafauna on Earth today. Seenate plane.
Speaker 2: You've got the elephants and giraffes, and hippos and rhinos,
Speaker 2: and you know all these animals. Buffalo, You've got list
Speaker 2: goes on and on right. You've got lions, You've got cheetahs,
Speaker 2: You've got all of the and those basically are left
Speaker 2: over from the Pleistocene, the epoch that was ended with
Speaker 2: the Younger dryas the unger biases. That's sort of the boundary,
Speaker 2: the marker for this transition between two and a half
Speaker 2: million years of the Pleistocene into the eleven six hundred
Speaker 2: years of the Holocene. And you think about the Holocene
Speaker 2: that's the geological term for it. The Holocene is basically
Speaker 2: where we see the rise of civilation. You know, and
Speaker 2: think about this cliff if you've got you go back
Speaker 2: eight to ten thousand years and this is when you
Speaker 2: see what they call it the agricultural revolution, one of
Speaker 2: these great transitions from a hunter gatherer migratory lifestyle into farming. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So this occurs in that millennia or two, right after
Speaker 2: the Younger drives and we see transition to farming. We
Speaker 2: see the domestication of animals on a wide scale. Again
Speaker 2: within that same meliu, we see the dispersion of languages.
Speaker 2: If you study languages in the language tree, you see
Speaker 2: that that major dispersion of languages takes place in that
Speaker 2: same window of a couple of millennium When did we
Speaker 2: see the first urban complexes arise in a few isolated
Speaker 2: places between seven and eight thousand years ago, we really
Speaker 2: see the major flowering of civilization, for example in Egypt
Speaker 2: or Samaria along the Tigris Euphrates River valley or the
Speaker 2: Indus River valley in that part of the world, or
Speaker 2: in you know, there was a rise of civilization along
Speaker 2: the Amazon at that time Graham Hancock has documented that
Speaker 2: quite well, we see the very first monumental earthwork architecture
Speaker 2: in America during that same few centuries. That is putting
Speaker 2: us between forty five hundred years ago and five thousand
Speaker 2: years ago. What's becoming a parent now, Cliff. The evidence
Speaker 2: is pointing to the fact that, just like there were
Speaker 2: many species that went extinct, you do not think about this.
Speaker 2: You don't go in and exterminate three quarters of all
Speaker 2: species and in a quarter that's remaining is completely unscathed.
Speaker 2: And in fact, think about the near extinction of the
Speaker 2: American bison. Okay, so roamed there was millions of them,
Speaker 2: you know, in the early eighteen hundreds. Now you get
Speaker 2: to the turn of the century and there's only a
Speaker 2: few hundred. Now you can go in, of course, into
Speaker 2: the supermarkets and buy bison berger right. Yeah, But here's
Speaker 2: the thing. If we're looking back, if we're looking back
Speaker 2: from ten thousand years into the future, you might never
Speaker 2: know that the bison came within an inch of becoming extinct. Right,
Speaker 2: You could easily miss that. You'd yeah, there was millions
Speaker 2: of them there, and hey, look here, one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty years later, we see evidence that they're you know,
Speaker 2: they're eating bison burgers, right, But think how easy it
Speaker 2: would be to miss the fact that the American bison
Speaker 2: almost went completely extinct but then rapidly recovered. You know,
Speaker 2: once the conditions change and whatever forces were driving that mortality,
Speaker 2: that changes and so now the species can quickly recover.
Speaker 2: So my point is, if you extrapolate from that, there
Speaker 2: was probably a near extinction of all species, like in
Speaker 2: North America. You know, let's let's take moose or grizzly bear.
Speaker 2: There were grizzly bears during the ice stage, but they
Speaker 2: didn't go extinct. There were horses in North America, and
Speaker 2: they did go extinct in North America, but not in Eurasia. Right.
Speaker 2: But here's what I'm getting at, bring it home. Do
Speaker 2: you think that events that were that severe that could
Speaker 2: wipe out three quarters And you've got to talk about
Speaker 2: if you're talking about mammoths, if you're talking about saber
Speaker 2: toothed cats, the giant ground slaws, dire wolves, the giant
Speaker 2: camels that roam the southern United States, the giant beavers,
Speaker 2: everything's big, right, the giant Armadello's. If you look at
Speaker 2: all of these creatures, right, They're all completely gone. There
Speaker 2: couldn't be even a single mating pair left. Every single
Speaker 2: individual mammoth had to be killed, had to be destroyed.
Speaker 2: Now here's the thing I'm getting at. The evidence is
Speaker 2: now showing pretty conclusively that there was a culture called
Speaker 2: the Clovis culture, which I know you've heard of. The
Speaker 2: Clovis culture. They're the They occupied North America roughly three
Speaker 2: to four hundred years prior to the Younger Dryas. Where
Speaker 2: they came from is an open question. What happened to me,
Speaker 2: because there was over fifty Clovis sites around unglaciated North
Speaker 2: America that became completely unoccupied post Younger Dryas, So there's
Speaker 2: two questions where they come from. What happened to them? Well,
Speaker 2: I think what happened to them was the Clovis culture
Speaker 2: became extinct. Most of them were killed off by the
Speaker 2: same catastrophes that wiped out the wooly mammoths and the
Speaker 2: rest of the megafaunam Now, and this is showing up
Speaker 2: all over the world. We're seeing evidence that there was
Speaker 2: a popular, major population crash coming out of the Younger Dryas, right,
Speaker 2: and the next three four or five thousand years, I
Speaker 2: think what the evidence is now showing is that just
Speaker 2: like the bar con bison once recovered, human species began
Speaker 2: to recover, but it took three to four thousand years.
Speaker 2: And the reason we see this flowering of civilization all
Speaker 2: in that Meliu between forty five hundred and five thousand
Speaker 2: years ago is because it essentially took that one. You're
Speaker 2: not going to build monumental architecture if you don't have
Speaker 2: a labor force. You got to bran. There's got to
Speaker 2: be more people and to do to undertake something like that,
Speaker 2: you have to have enough people that there's a whole
Speaker 2: segment of society that's providing the food, the clothes, the
Speaker 2: shelter for the for the labor that is building the
Speaker 2: temples in the monumental earthworks in North America and South
Speaker 2: Americans so on. So you have to have this recovery.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why we don't see a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff up until about forty five hundred to five
Speaker 2: thousand years ago, and then almost as if somebody blew
Speaker 2: a whistle. You see the flurry of activity. You see
Speaker 2: it in Samaria, you see it in Egypt, you see
Speaker 2: it in the along the Indus Valley, you know, the
Speaker 2: whole civilization that arose there. You see it in North America,
Speaker 2: you see it in South America, and you see it
Speaker 2: in British Isles in northern Europe. Because think about Stonehenge
Speaker 2: and so on, those early megalithic structures in the British
Speaker 2: Isles date to that same period.
Speaker 1: But are those all reboot sites? Randall? Are we talking
Speaker 1: about reboot sites?
Speaker 2: Now? There's a great question. Yeah. I think in a
Speaker 2: lot of cases we are, because there's evidence that many
Speaker 2: of those sites were occupied earlier and were considered to
Speaker 2: be if you're sacred, whatever that we define that term
Speaker 2: to mean. I would say that it probably implies that
Speaker 2: there's a special quality or energy to these sites related
Speaker 2: to the geological composition and structure of the site and
Speaker 2: its relation to the heavens above. I think we're looking there,
Speaker 2: possibly at an ancient science of uniting heaven and Earth,
Speaker 2: because doesn't it seem And I know you've now seen
Speaker 2: enough of this to see the similarity, the underlying similarity
Speaker 2: of so many of these ancient structures. Yea, even though
Speaker 2: they don't look you know, you could look at Egyptian
Speaker 2: pyramids or an Egyptian temple it looks very distinct from
Speaker 2: you know, what they were building in Samaria with the
Speaker 2: zig rots, and the step looks very distinct from what
Speaker 2: they were doing in North America with these I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever visited any of the the.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I haven't been to any of the
Speaker 1: mound builders, but they I gotta go, I gotta, I
Speaker 1: gotta go and lift Carlson to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm gonna be I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: give you any rest. You gotta get out and see where.
Speaker 1: They get out and see especially up and down the Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kahokia will blow your mind. I mean that what's
Speaker 2: called the Monks Mound is just enormous, and you're going
Speaker 2: to be going, Okay, how many people did it take
Speaker 2: to build this thing? And then a course to every
Speaker 2: person that's engaged in that, there's got to be ten people.
Speaker 2: That's part of the support infrastructure, and that's that's an
Speaker 2: important point. But what I'm getting at is that it
Speaker 2: looks like we got a model. And of course this
Speaker 2: would be the subject to refinement and improvement and all
Speaker 2: of that, but it looks like there was a mortality
Speaker 2: event that a bottleneck in human population around the world.
Speaker 2: It took three four thousand and five thousand years for
Speaker 2: the human population to recover to the extent that we
Speaker 2: can now look and see the fruits of their handiwork.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you're saying nine five hundred years approximately, is
Speaker 1: when this impact came. Wipes out megafauna, wipes out whatever
Speaker 1: I think you said last time was roughly eighty five
Speaker 1: percent of humanity estimated was destroyed. Who was I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the Atlantis question. Atlantis was other sophisticated early
Speaker 1: Egyptian cultures. Perhaps there were pre Inca people who were
Speaker 1: around building stuff, and this is Graham's story. Graham's talking
Speaker 1: about these early people. What is the evidence now, I
Speaker 1: have been to Egypt every year. I think the pyramids
Speaker 1: are pre cataclysm. I think the culture that built them
Speaker 1: were engineer, brilliant engineers, and that is a calling card
Speaker 1: for them. But we don't have a traditional science does
Speaker 1: not believe there was a pre culture, a pre devastation culture,
Speaker 1: because there's according to them, there's no part charts. But
Speaker 1: I think we're getting there now. I think our technology
Speaker 1: is getting there. You look under the water and there's
Speaker 1: evidence of ruined. We're going to take a short commercial
Speaker 1: break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we
Speaker 1: will return shortly with my guest today, Randall Carlson, presenting
Speaker 1: the Great Upheaval. Will be right back. My guest today
Speaker 1: is Randall Carlson. He is known as the Rogue Geologist.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a number of topics, including the torn
Speaker 1: meteor stream and how the Earth passes through this precarious
Speaker 1: event twice Yearly, let's talk about one or two of
Speaker 1: these ruins that were part of this impact. What about
Speaker 1: We talked about Tiwana Ku and Bolivia beforehand. That place,
Speaker 1: Randall is cut by a group of geniuses. We don't
Speaker 1: know what the technology was. It looks like a welding
Speaker 1: torch of some kind of laser, and these are megaliths
Speaker 1: of a precision that we just can't conceive of.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, it's pretty mind boggling, it sure is.
Speaker 2: And you know, one of the points I try to make.
Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about the Great Uphevil, But one
Speaker 2: of the points I try to make is that many archaeologists,
Speaker 2: even geologists, are not trained in catastrophic geology. They may
Speaker 2: a good point, yeah, yeah, they're not trained in catastrophism.
Speaker 2: They don't know. They haven't necessarily studied the effect of
Speaker 2: hypervelocity impacts, solar outbursts and coronal mass ejections and what
Speaker 2: effects they may have, the effects of what an ice
Speaker 2: age will do rising, you know, think about sea levels
Speaker 2: rising and falling more than four hundred feet, the great floods,
Speaker 2: where you have these gigantic, unbelievably huge floods sweeping over
Speaker 2: the land. They don't really, that's not part of their worldview.
Speaker 2: And so what they don't understand is that, see, they
Speaker 2: when they came up and were trained geologists were used
Speaker 2: to be trained the fundamental concepts of geology and earth
Speaker 2: history were called uniformitarian right, which is a very powerful
Speaker 2: tool to use to understand the past. The problem is
Speaker 2: is that we can look and we can go Okay,
Speaker 2: the present is the key to the past. So if
Speaker 2: we're trying to decipher events that happened in the past,
Speaker 2: we refer to things that you can see going on
Speaker 2: today and we essentially extrapolate backwards. Now, within that framework,
Speaker 2: you might have a local catastrophe like a volcano going
Speaker 2: off for an earthquake, but you don't have anything that
Speaker 2: encompasses an entire continent the or much less the world
Speaker 2: as a whole. Right, okay, So in that model, you
Speaker 2: might go, okay, well, if everything is changing so slowly
Speaker 2: one grain of sand, one drop of water at a time,
Speaker 2: we don't even really even notice the change over a
Speaker 2: single life span. It requires multiple lifespans, right, Well, okay,
Speaker 2: so now you've got this false picture because it's half correct,
Speaker 2: but it's missing a whole. Half of the equation is
Speaker 2: that from time to time, that nice, placid pace of
Speaker 2: slow incremental change suddenly gets interrupted in a major way
Speaker 2: and boom, do you know what? Proverbial? You know what
Speaker 2: hits the fan big time. If you don't take account
Speaker 2: of that, you're not going to be able to have
Speaker 2: a realistic model of the human past. And when you'd
Speaker 2: see the direct effects, let's say, of a water flow
Speaker 2: over the land of a half a billion qubic feet
Speaker 2: per second, you realize that what doesn't matter what was there,
Speaker 2: whatever was there is completely erased from eliminated from existence.
Speaker 2: You could have had a city there, and a half
Speaker 2: a billion qubic feet per second is going to wash
Speaker 2: the entirety of that city away. You're talking about flooding, right, flooding, yes,
Speaker 2: flooding okay, and flooding. Gigantic floods were part of this
Speaker 2: whole great upheaval. It encompassed both firestorms on a large scale,
Speaker 2: and it encompassed we now know, volcanic eruptions on a
Speaker 2: huge scale and involved major seismic shaking and earthquakes. And
Speaker 2: the one of the effects was these gigantic antic floods
Speaker 2: that are being documented from all having occurred all over
Speaker 2: the world. There were tsunamis apparently that were huge. There's
Speaker 2: a tsunami. You know, Dallas Abbot as a scientist who
Speaker 2: has been studying the effects of tsunamis on the continental
Speaker 2: coastlines of the world, and they're everywhere. There's the one
Speaker 2: in Madagascar, Madagascar, off the east coast of Africa.
Speaker 1: The most recent one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It appears to be associated with a submarine crater.
Speaker 2: It's about two miles under the water that would have
Speaker 2: generated a giant tsunami and when it made landfall at
Speaker 2: against Madagascar, it was at least six hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: feet high. Now we've seen the devastation that can be caused,
Speaker 2: like the two thousand and four Indonesian tsunami that killed
Speaker 2: a quarter million people. You watch those videos, they're mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Or the videos of the tsunami that hit Japan back
Speaker 2: when the new Clear reactor got affected. You remember that, yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: And so you look at those videos and you go, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's a tsunami wave that's thirty to fifty feet high
Speaker 2: when it makes landfall. What would a six hundred foot
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty foot tsunami do to the coastlines? Right?
Speaker 2: So if you had a city, if you had a village,
Speaker 2: a settlement on the coastline, and you have a two
Speaker 2: hundred foot tsunami hitting again, there's not going to be
Speaker 2: anything there. You're not going to find potzards, You're not
Speaker 2: going to find anything really, And so this is the problem.
Speaker 2: The problem is is that they don't understand how powerfully
Speaker 2: the planet was affected by these events. And when you
Speaker 2: have one hundred thousand years and there's the glaciers come
Speaker 2: and go four times. Think about this, A half mile
Speaker 2: two mile and a half thick glacier grinding over the
Speaker 2: landscape covered more than half of North America for example. Okay,
Speaker 2: that glacier rapidly melts how are you going to know
Speaker 2: what was there in that land before the glaciers came.
Speaker 2: Whatever the glaciers don't destroy, whatever, the ice doesn't destroy.
Speaker 2: The melt water, the huge volumes of meltwater and the
Speaker 2: ensuing floods is going to destroy the rest and given it.
Speaker 2: If we look at the rise of modern civilization Cliff,
Speaker 2: we see the two preferred places where we first see
Speaker 2: settlements turning into villages villages turning into cities is on
Speaker 2: coastlines and in river valleys. Right think about the every
Speaker 2: Think about the Samerian civilization Tigris Euphrates River. Think about
Speaker 2: the Harappan civilization along the Indus River. Think about Graham's
Speaker 2: South American civilization along the Amazon, think about civilization. You
Speaker 2: know the scale of the things we see along the
Speaker 2: Mississippi and Ohio rivers in North America. The list goes
Speaker 2: on Egypt of course, the Nile River right now, if
Speaker 2: you have an event like the Younger dryers and the
Speaker 2: scale of flooding that we're talking about here, every one
Speaker 2: of those rivers is going to be overwhelmed. It's gonna
Speaker 2: make like what happened in Texas on the Guadalupe River
Speaker 2: like nothing like a trickle.
Speaker 1: So the river gets huge. But do tsunamis come through a.
Speaker 3: River, No, no, no, no, no. Tsunamis come from the ocean.
Speaker 3: Like although, look, if you've got a river coming down
Speaker 3: to the coastline, that tsunami wave, the force of that
Speaker 3: can backwash up a river valley and they will do that.
Speaker 1: Right, these single term events, like let's give an example,
Speaker 1: like if we look at Cairo, where there's a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of buildings. If the Nile river right rises dramatically
Speaker 1: over say a day, does it stay that way, does
Speaker 1: it devastate like a huge volume of water and then recede,
Speaker 1: or does it keep coming.
Speaker 2: Well, now, of course it's controlled. They built the Aswan
Speaker 2: Dam and it controls the flow. But before that, you
Speaker 2: would have every summer around late July, you would have
Speaker 2: the floods coming from the Ethiopian highlands in the headwaters
Speaker 2: of the Nile, the Blue Nile and the White Nile.
Speaker 2: That water would flow north towards the Mediterranean. And basically
Speaker 2: they had a whole ritual that they would do. The
Speaker 2: priests would get out and they would observe what was
Speaker 2: called the Haliacal rising of Sirius the Dog Star would
Speaker 2: rise after being invisible from the latitude of Egypt. There
Speaker 2: from the latitude of Cairo, it was invisible for about
Speaker 2: seventy days, and then because of the Earth's movement around
Speaker 2: the sun late July, you would see Sirious rise in
Speaker 2: the east just moments before the sun right, and then
Speaker 2: the sun the next day, the sun would have moved
Speaker 2: a little farther away, next day a little far the way,
Speaker 2: so each day you would see Sirious rising a little
Speaker 2: bit early. Right. But there was that first day, And
Speaker 2: the symbolism of the dog is likely because they thought
Speaker 2: of dogs as being giving fore warning. Dogs bark and
Speaker 2: they warn you of something, right, the dog star for
Speaker 2: whatever coincidence, and I don't think anybody claims it's other
Speaker 2: than the coincidence, but I don't know. I'm not convinced.
Speaker 2: Right after that rising called the Haliacal Rising of Sirius
Speaker 2: the Dog Star Haliakal because it's rising with the sun.
Speaker 2: The Nile River floods would come from the headwaters right,
Speaker 2: they would sweep north to the Mediterranean, and when those
Speaker 2: waters drained off, they would leave a fresh layer of
Speaker 2: alluvium that is the stuff that's being deposited, and so
Speaker 2: it builds up. And basically, when the warning came that
Speaker 2: the floods were impending, which was associated with the rising
Speaker 2: of Sirius, they would vacate the valley and the river
Speaker 2: would flood deposit the alluvium, and they would go back
Speaker 2: and plant their crops. So that's kind of how it worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the rumors are that the desert area
Speaker 1: of Egypt were much greener than they are now.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I mean that's well established. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it's well In fact, the sand that covers that's the
Speaker 2: harem is relatively thin veneer and if you remove that sand,
Speaker 2: what's underneath it is a water scoured bedrock landscape with
Speaker 2: channels and river valleys, the remains of huge lakes that
Speaker 2: were covered North Africa during several episodes. It looks like
Speaker 2: there was much more rainfall during the Late Ice Age.
Speaker 2: Then there was also a period after the Younger Dryas
Speaker 2: where there was more rainfall down to between six and
Speaker 2: seven thousand years ago, and then the monsoon apparently shifted
Speaker 2: and those rains ceased and then it became a desert.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there was a whole culture of people that
Speaker 2: lived in the lush Sahara eight nine thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: and who they are, where they came from is not known,
Speaker 2: although our paper I recently read was speculating that they
Speaker 2: came from the West, migrated across and ultimately maybe came
Speaker 2: from the area of the Atlas Mountains in Morocco, which, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is interesting because what does that kind of suggest
Speaker 2: the connection, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of guys on the show Randal
Speaker 1: that have speculated that the northern part of on the
Speaker 1: Pacific side of Africa was where the land of Atlantis
Speaker 1: was because they found there some geological formations that were
Speaker 1: circular in format I think we've talked about this before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was big enough to
Speaker 1: support a culture. The bigger problem for me is that
Speaker 1: they've had guys go out there. There's no evidence of foundations.
Speaker 1: There's no evidence of bricks, no evidence of any civilization there, right,
Speaker 1: And even if it was a geological event, that's that's
Speaker 1: the terminating event. You're going to see something, you know,
Speaker 1: shows us formations of civilization, you know what I mean? Bricks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I don't you know. I have studied
Speaker 2: pretty deeply into the whole Atlantis question, mostly through reading
Speaker 2: Plato's two dialogues and multiple multiple translations, including even slogging
Speaker 2: through the original Greek a number of years ago. One
Speaker 2: thing is very, very cris still clear. In his dialogues,
Speaker 2: Plato's Atlantis is described as being an island. When you're
Speaker 2: talking about the Reshat structure, Recat Recat Reshat structure. I
Speaker 2: think it's a soft season.
Speaker 1: That's it, that reformation, geological formation in Africa.
Speaker 2: It's just to me, it doesn't fit the bill. First
Speaker 2: of all, it's an island. It's not an island. It's
Speaker 2: like fifteen hundred feet above sea level. And Plato's pretty
Speaker 2: explicit that it was an island. And we could do
Speaker 2: a share screen right now if you want it, and
Speaker 2: might still show you some things. Let's do it, Okay,
Speaker 2: So you see this red line. There's a restructure there.
Speaker 2: Oh there it is, yeah, yeah, right down here, and
Speaker 2: then there's two confirmed impact craters and they form a
Speaker 2: perfectly straight line. And I just pointing that out because
Speaker 2: it's kind of a coincidence, I think, unless it's part
Speaker 2: of the same, you know, because the early first discoveries
Speaker 2: of reshaft structure was that it was an impact crater.
Speaker 2: Now I think the consensus is that it's a volcanic event.
Speaker 2: If I go backwards here, let's see. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: a cross section now and it looks like it's this
Speaker 2: dome shaped structure here that's downfaulted. Like you can see,
Speaker 2: this is a fault line here, and this is a
Speaker 2: fault here, and you got like this down here below
Speaker 2: it says like ryolytic magmas, magmas like lava, right, hydrothermal
Speaker 2: bretcha is these up and here what that is Breca
Speaker 2: means broken rock and this was stuff that was broken rock.
Speaker 2: The hydro thermal means that it was like hot water, right.
Speaker 2: And then you've got these different layers here. You've got
Speaker 2: like it says, quartzitic sandstone in this upper layer here. Anyways,
Speaker 2: this is actually showing that there is a subterranean structure
Speaker 2: to this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you said that. You're thinking, or they're thinking,
Speaker 1: is that it was a volcano at one.
Speaker 2: Time, Well it's it could have been. It was probably
Speaker 2: a magma plume that pressured upwards and created a dome.
Speaker 2: And here you can you here you can see in
Speaker 2: this you see this is called.
Speaker 1: The box photograph.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is so you see, it's actually part
Speaker 2: of this. There's a huge magma chamber below it. So
Speaker 2: if that magma is pressuring upwards, it can cause a bulge. Now,
Speaker 2: think of this. If you've got a layered bulge cliff
Speaker 2: and then let's say you've got a flat and it's
Speaker 2: multiple layers and then it bulges up. You still got
Speaker 2: the layers, but they curve up. Now imagine you slice
Speaker 2: the top of it off. Well, what you're going to
Speaker 2: now see is a ring structure, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It looks artificial, and that's why I can see what
Speaker 1: a lot of people might have thought it was man made. Well,
Speaker 1: very strange looking.
Speaker 2: When you let's see here, this is all the scientific
Speaker 2: work on the Reshat structure, which is also called the
Speaker 2: Eye of Africa.
Speaker 1: And wow, they've been looking at it for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this goes back to what was the year here,
Speaker 2: This goes back well last twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: But this thousand and eight right there on.
Speaker 2: Thousand and eight. Yeah, it was discovered by shuttle flights. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was thought to be probably impact related, but
Speaker 2: now they're calling referring to hydro thermalism played an important
Speaker 2: role in the evolution of the Reshat complex. It is
Speaker 2: responsible notably for the Karst collapse central megabresh of formation.
Speaker 2: Karst is where you have limestone solution, and it's almost
Speaker 2: like a vertical cave, right, because you know caves form
Speaker 2: in limestone where water flows through limestone, it erodes it
Speaker 2: out and it creates caves. But if it's like a
Speaker 2: vertical shaft, it's like a krst. A sinkhole would be
Speaker 2: like what a car sty is. See, we don't need
Speaker 2: to get into I've covered all of this ilgy on.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is you are somewhat in agreement
Speaker 1: with me and some others that the place that Plato
Speaker 1: called Atlantis was impacted by this event. Uh, we don't
Speaker 1: really have a mythology of the impact. We only have
Speaker 1: flood myths, right do we have Do we have firestone,
Speaker 1: fire and brimstone? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely we do. Now here's a satellite view
Speaker 2: of the reshaft structure.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2: What I'm going to do is a lot of times
Speaker 2: they're saying, well, it's a multi ring structure, and Plato
Speaker 2: describes a multi ring structure and kias well. He also
Speaker 2: he's very explicit and precise about the dimensions he gives.
Speaker 2: So I've reconstructed I've created a whole three D model
Speaker 2: of the ringed structure of Atlantis, right the ringed city. Oh,
Speaker 2: and that blue circle that you see right here, that's
Speaker 2: it to the same scale as the Reshat structure.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's tiny.
Speaker 2: It's huge when you're standing there looking at it. But
Speaker 2: compared to the Reshat structure, which is like twenty five
Speaker 2: miles wide, yeah, it's much smaller.
Speaker 1: So you're taking the Plato's or whatever information we have
Speaker 1: on the Atlantis seaport, which is since rings area, and
Speaker 1: you reproduce Oh, is this is it?
Speaker 2: Let's see here, So this is what this is. As
Speaker 2: I enlarged. This is the scale actually what Plato describes
Speaker 2: here relative to the Reshat structure. Then just for fun
Speaker 2: I enlarged the circular city to roughly the scale of
Speaker 2: the Reshaft structure and superimposed it.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go.
Speaker 2: You see, and it's not really the same when you
Speaker 2: look at it. But the main thing is is that
Speaker 2: this is this is the true scale right here. This
Speaker 2: is based directly on Plato's description numbers represent the distance
Speaker 2: in stays, and one Greek stage was six hundred and
Speaker 2: eight feet, that's well known. So the outer ring was
Speaker 2: three stays, So then the measure of that would be
Speaker 2: six hundred and eight times three or nine hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty four feet. And then you had this ring of
Speaker 2: land and this is all taken directly from Plato's description
Speaker 2: of this of the circular city. Then, so now you
Speaker 2: would have nine hundred and twenty four feet here, nine
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty four feet here, so times two, you're
Speaker 2: now up to eighteen hundred and forty eight feet going
Speaker 2: from outer water ring outer lane. Then you get to
Speaker 2: the next water ring, which is two stags, and then
Speaker 2: the next land ring, which is two stags. Then you
Speaker 2: get to a water ring which is one and you
Speaker 2: get to this which was five states in width. So
Speaker 2: you can just add them up, right, If you add
Speaker 2: all of these up, which is what I did. Let's
Speaker 2: see here, we can see that it would be let's
Speaker 2: go three plus three plus two plus two plus five
Speaker 2: plus one plus one plus I'll just go four plus six.
Speaker 2: We've got twenty seven stags and that would be times
Speaker 2: six hundred and eight feet. So you're looking at sixteen
Speaker 2: thousand feet, so you're looking about three miles in mile,
Speaker 2: three mile width, three mile width. Yes, okay, rough, it
Speaker 2: seems very military to me. Is that you think that
Speaker 2: was purposely done? Maybe it doesn't seem functional, but maybe
Speaker 2: it was. Well. Plato said then that there was this
Speaker 2: three hundred foot wide canal that connected to the ocean,
Speaker 2: so that ships could come in. And here's sort of
Speaker 2: a three d oblique view. So this is the let's
Speaker 2: say it's oversimplified. Let's say this is the ocean canal
Speaker 2: coming in. And then there was a bridge that linked
Speaker 2: all of the rings. But there was enough room, it
Speaker 2: was elevated enough the ships could sail under the bridge,
Speaker 2: and you could have foot traffic or you know, people
Speaker 2: walking or carts or whatever on the bridge. But underneath
Speaker 2: the bridge, the ships could sail in to the different rings.
Speaker 2: And here's more or less you can kind of get
Speaker 2: the picture. So you see there's an opening under the bridge,
Speaker 2: so a ship could come in the outer ring of waters,
Speaker 2: sail through the canal, come to the inner ring, sail
Speaker 2: through another canal, and and ultimately got up here to
Speaker 2: which was the temple of Posiona mm hmm. So there
Speaker 2: you can kind of kind of get the picture of
Speaker 2: it that that's oversimplified. But yeah, it's all to the
Speaker 2: exact accurate scale that Plato describes.
Speaker 1: And where where is the sitting off of it's close
Speaker 1: to the Azores or where.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, nobody knows this is This is a description.
Speaker 2: Whether it really existed or not is one question. I
Speaker 2: don't know the answer has.
Speaker 1: The problem We really don't know where.
Speaker 2: However, there's two things to two parts to the Atlantis story.
Speaker 2: There's the geology describing the island complex and all of
Speaker 2: its attributes, which actually, in my opinion fits the Azor
Speaker 2: it's better than any other place. Then then there's the
Speaker 2: second part, which involves the description of this city and
Speaker 2: which is phenomenal on its on its scale. Right. Well,
Speaker 2: we could take the city completely out of the story
Speaker 2: and we would still have a potential Atlantis in the
Speaker 2: region of the Azores.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: That could have been a seafaring culture, but without all
Speaker 2: this infrastructure. See, so there's two parts. Is the is
Speaker 2: this scale of this infrastructure plausible? I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: It would be an enormous undertaking to actually built this thing, right,
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, the geological description of Plato
Speaker 2: gives is pretty much right on for describing the Azores
Speaker 2: and what the science now tells us as Azores is
Speaker 2: a part of a micro continent. The Azores islands are
Speaker 2: the peaks of mountains, and those mountains are in the
Speaker 2: uh Azors micro continent. And it's it's dun. We could
Speaker 2: go through a lot of it. But so then here's
Speaker 2: here's Plato's description, taken directly from his account. The inner island,
Speaker 2: five states in diameter, five stags at six hundred and
Speaker 2: eight feet equals three thousand and forty. And so I've
Speaker 2: gone through and worked all the numbers. And now this
Speaker 2: is interesting because three thousand and forty is half a
Speaker 2: nautical mile, which is, you know what basically sailors use,
Speaker 2: and a nautical mile is six thousand and eighty feet.
Speaker 2: So interestingly, Plato's numbers line right up with our traditional
Speaker 2: methods of measuring distance, how sailors measured the distance. And
Speaker 2: then we have this magic number forty three thousand, two hundred,
Speaker 2: and that basically, if we take that the basic unit
Speaker 2: that Plato gives us here, which is three thousand and
Speaker 2: forty feet, times this, it gives us this conce of
Speaker 2: the earth, okay, and then if we divide that by pie,
Speaker 2: it gives us the diameter of the earth.
Speaker 1: And we don't know what I mean. If you listen
Speaker 1: to Edgar Caseying's other the impact period that was destructive
Speaker 1: to Atlantis was that when Atlanta's was more of an
Speaker 1: island than a continent. Right, So we don't really know
Speaker 1: what it was. But if you were to choose another
Speaker 1: Prediluvian culture that was impacted by this h younger, dryest impact,
Speaker 1: what would you what would you choose? Randall?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, here's the difficulty is I mean, we
Speaker 2: could look at like the Solutrean culture in Europe, you know,
Speaker 2: the origins of some of these, like the the Berber
Speaker 2: culture in Morocco, the Basque culture there on borderlines and
Speaker 2: where did these people come from? And I well, let's see,
Speaker 2: I got another one here could probably show you that
Speaker 2: would give you the idea. Let's look at this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. Well. Plato describes Atlantis as being outside to
Speaker 2: the west of the Pillars of Hercules, which is right
Speaker 2: here the Straits of Gibraltar, and he says that when
Speaker 2: you sail west and I have these quotes all in here,
Speaker 2: you come to a group of islands, and you've got Madeira,
Speaker 2: you've got the Canaries all in here, and then beyond
Speaker 2: that was the island civilization of Atlantis. And it turns
Speaker 2: out that right in the middle of the Atlantic, along
Speaker 2: the mid Atlantic Ridge, there is the Azores called micro continent,
Speaker 2: and it's this thing right here, right, And then Plato says,
Speaker 2: if you keep going from there, you get to the
Speaker 2: true continent that's on the other side of the ocean,
Speaker 2: which very suggested because supposedly the Greeks did not know
Speaker 2: about North America. He describes North America. Now the reshat
Speaker 2: structure down here right. To me, the geography is wrong,
Speaker 2: the geology is wrong, the scale of the thing is wrong.
Speaker 2: There's no evidence that there was, Like you said, there
Speaker 2: is evidence of probably hunter gatherers.
Speaker 1: There are no artifacts of a civilization really correct.
Speaker 2: Correct, And here's kind of oblique view. And I would
Speaker 2: argue that this area here is the best candidate there
Speaker 2: is for Atlanta. If Atlantis was real, this is the
Speaker 2: best candidate for it right here. And it fits his
Speaker 2: description as to the geography and the location. A lot
Speaker 2: of the geology matches what he describes, and it's also
Speaker 2: evident that it has undergone subsidence since the end of
Speaker 2: the last Ice Age, which is in critically important for
Speaker 2: making sense of the Atlantean story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's a great map. But you know,
Speaker 1: the other thing is there's a lot of evidence for
Speaker 1: very early Maya settlements in the Yucatan of Mexico. And
Speaker 1: it's my feeling that the Maya are a derivative of
Speaker 1: Atlantinian people, but not just them. It was a multicultural race.
Speaker 1: We see it in the evidence of their sculptures and
Speaker 1: their reliefs. There's Caucasian, African centric, Asian centric, European centric
Speaker 1: people that lived in Mexico.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, so I'm going to do another
Speaker 2: share screen here. Let's go do this.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Randall Carlson, discussing the Great Upheaval.
Speaker 1: We'll return with you shortly. My guest today is Randall Carlson,
Speaker 1: and we are discussing the catastrophic destruction of Earth at
Speaker 1: approximately nine BC. This is a almost a terminating event
Speaker 1: that wipes out megafauna, the living animals of the planet,
Speaker 1: and most of the humans that are occupying known and
Speaker 1: unknown locations from around the world. What is the color screen, Randall?
Speaker 1: Is that some kind of a geological scan that you
Speaker 1: did this one? What is that?
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, the colors are based on elevation above and
Speaker 2: below sea level.
Speaker 1: It's a geological map.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well yeah, it's a kind of a topographic map.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the light green is higher, the darker the blue,
Speaker 2: the deeper it is, for example, in the ocean, and
Speaker 2: like up here in Scandinavia that kind of beige. That
Speaker 2: means it's a higher elevation and you can kind of
Speaker 2: see it. Let's see same colors here. See the deeper
Speaker 2: blues are the deep ocean basin. And this would have
Speaker 2: been this would be the continental land mass here, this
Speaker 2: would be Europe, this would be North America. And this
Speaker 2: is a it's basically a sunken micro continent. And I'm
Speaker 2: going to show you. Here we go. Let's see, I
Speaker 2: got a speed through here. Excuse me. While I speed through,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get down to As you can see,
Speaker 2: I got a lot of stuff here on it. Let
Speaker 2: a lot yeah, yeah, uh probably have to go through
Speaker 2: this as well. Let's see, there we go. Okay, so okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. So that's where I would put Atlantis.
Speaker 2: And that's pretty much the outlines of the Azors micro
Speaker 2: continent and the the mountainous area here. The nine islands
Speaker 2: of the Azores are the peaks of those mountains that
Speaker 2: are that are on this plateau. And there's evidence that
Speaker 2: it sank at the end of the last ice Age.
Speaker 2: And I go into some pretty detailed explanation of how
Speaker 2: that describing that whole process. Here's here's the Azor's micro
Speaker 2: continent right here. You can see it, and you can
Speaker 2: see how it's west of the Pillars of Hercules. There are,
Speaker 2: as he describes, there are islands on the way to Atlantis.
Speaker 2: Then you get to Atlantis, and then if you keep
Speaker 2: sailing beyond Atlantis, you get to what he says, the
Speaker 2: opposite continent that's part of the true Ocean, which would
Speaker 2: be the Atlantic as compared to the Mediterranean.
Speaker 1: Does Plato actually use the word continent in his.
Speaker 2: Writing, Well, he uses a Greek term that is translated
Speaker 2: as continent. More so more so he uses the term nasos,
Speaker 2: which is island. And this would not be a true continent. Here,
Speaker 2: this is a feature now that's called a micro continent.
Speaker 2: And so let me show you here. This is wow,
Speaker 2: this is what I would consider now the dispersal paths. There,
Speaker 2: you got one path going to uh Morocco and the
Speaker 2: Atlas Mountains. There, you got one going to the Canaries. There,
Speaker 2: you've got one going to the Basque region. There, you've
Speaker 2: got one going up to southern England. There, you've got
Speaker 2: one going into the Mediterranean all the way to Egypt. There,
Speaker 2: you've got one going down to Cuba, which would have
Speaker 2: been likely an outlier for Atlantis. Here you've got one
Speaker 2: going to the Yucatan Peninsula and the Mayan So this
Speaker 2: fits exactly what you just said. And then I think
Speaker 2: we also got a migration to the southeastern United States.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I've always thought that there were satellites
Speaker 1: of Atlantis. These are dispersal.
Speaker 2: Points for certainly, you know obviously when when this thing
Speaker 2: sank uh it was completely abandoned, right, But those are
Speaker 2: completely compatible ideas that you know that. And Plato describes
Speaker 2: that Atlantis was a far flung empire and traded with
Speaker 2: all kinds of other cultures around the world. So It's
Speaker 2: likely that these would have been outposts of Atlanta, and
Speaker 2: that would have been the natural places to go to
Speaker 2: seek refuge. If the homeland was about to be destroyed,
Speaker 2: these places where Atlanteans had already set up shop would
Speaker 2: be the obvious places to go.
Speaker 1: Do you have a sense of them being cosmologically sophisticated
Speaker 1: enough to get the hell out of there before? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well see here's the thing. Sea levels started rising
Speaker 2: around fifteen thousand years ago. Plato describes the final destruction
Speaker 2: of Atlantis at eleven thousand, six hundred, which is the
Speaker 2: upper interestingly, the upper younger, driest boundary. Well, once the
Speaker 2: glaciers over North America and Europe started melting, sea levels
Speaker 2: started coming up. So if you have an island community
Speaker 2: and island civilization, I mean, think about all the concerns
Speaker 2: now about oh, sea level might rise two feet in
Speaker 2: the next fifty years, and oh we got to be
Speaker 2: all in panic mode because of how it's going to
Speaker 2: affect our culture and our cities and communities that are
Speaker 2: on the coastline. Well, think about what a four hundred
Speaker 2: foot by sea level would do. Right, Well, So, if
Speaker 2: you've got sea levels coming up relatively fast, well, what's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you can see it. You can see it.
Speaker 2: From year to year, you're going to see those sea
Speaker 2: levels rising, and as they're rising, they're encroaching latterly and
Speaker 2: swallowing up land.
Speaker 1: But my point, though, Randall, is you know we can
Speaker 1: see a comments tell we can see the impending I
Speaker 1: would think hit of an asteroid. Were they sophisticated it
Speaker 1: at that time to be able to track it before
Speaker 1: an impact other than the rising of the ocean, obviously,
Speaker 1: But my thinking is that they did have enough sophistication
Speaker 1: to tell through telescopes or through whatever else that something
Speaker 1: was going to impact.
Speaker 2: A close encounter of a comet is going to be
Speaker 2: a spectacular thing to see just with the naked eye.
Speaker 1: But I mean, can they see it months ahead of
Speaker 1: time or years ahead of time?
Speaker 2: Here's what you got to remember. Let me stop share here.
Speaker 2: Here's what you need to remember is that you've got
Speaker 2: let's say you've got this is the Sun, and this
Speaker 2: is uh out here, this is Jupiter. This is the Sun.
Speaker 2: So now you've got a comet that's in an orbit
Speaker 2: that takes it out to Jupiter and then it comes
Speaker 2: back into the Sun. Now, is that comet's making that orbit,
Speaker 2: it could possibly be crossing Earth's orbit. Right, every time
Speaker 2: that comet is coming in towards the Sun, anybody on Earth,
Speaker 2: if it's coming close to the Earth, you're going to
Speaker 2: see it in the sky. Okay, it's going to be in.
Speaker 2: The closer it is, the more spectacular it's going to be. Right,
Speaker 2: So think about do you remember Shoemaker Levy nine in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four when twenty one pieces hit Jupiter. Do
Speaker 2: you remember that?
Speaker 1: Vaguely? I do remember hitting You said, hitting Jupiter. That's
Speaker 1: when it caught to me. Yeah, yeah, there was a comet. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now here's what's happening. Is this comet's going around.
Speaker 1: Let me do it this way. Is this comet's going around.
Speaker 1: Let's say here's Jupiter and it's coming around Jupiter, and
Speaker 1: then it's coming around the Sun. Well, under certain conditions,
Speaker 1: each passage of that comet will draw the heavy gravity
Speaker 1: field of Jupiter will draw it in closer. And that's
Speaker 1: what happened with Shoelaer Shoemaker Levy nine. It had undoubtedly
Speaker 1: been orbiting between Jupiter and the Sun for millennium, but
Speaker 1: each time it made passage Jupiter's like sucking it in
Speaker 1: closer and closer. Then in March of nineteen ninety three
Speaker 1: it was discovered using telescopes and Gene Shoemaker, Carolyn Shoemaker
Speaker 1: and David Levy were co discoverers, and they begin to
Speaker 1: study it. And comet orbits are elliptical, right, and they
Speaker 1: have a certain geometry. So if you have too, if
Speaker 1: you can recreate the orbital geometry, the shape and size
Speaker 1: of that ellipse, the orbital ellipse, and you can get
Speaker 1: the timing of it along enough of a section of
Speaker 1: that ellipse, you can now predict where it's going to
Speaker 1: be in the future. It took three months of observations
Speaker 1: and they were able to predict that in the next
Speaker 1: go round it was going to pass the Sun and
Speaker 1: head back out to Jupiter, and it was going to
Speaker 1: cross Jupiter's orbital path. But at the point where it's
Speaker 1: going to cross that orbit orbital path, it just so
Speaker 1: happened to Jupiter was going to be right there at
Speaker 1: that moment. At that weed they were able to predict
Speaker 1: that this comet which was had been ripped, had been
Speaker 1: a single object as it passed through Jupiter's hyper powerful
Speaker 1: gravity field. The gravity field ripped it apart into twenty
Speaker 1: one pieces. Wow, those twenty one pieces spread out and
Speaker 1: came back in the second week of July nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 1: just as predicted.
Speaker 2: Boom, boom, boom. One after another twenty one pieces slams
Speaker 2: into Jupiter. If any one of those pieces had hit
Speaker 2: Earth would have been that would have pulled the plug
Speaker 2: on human civilization. Really oh yeah, And if all twenty
Speaker 2: one of them had hit the Earth, that would have
Speaker 2: been mass extinction eighty ninety percent of all species humans,
Speaker 2: we would have been gone. Right, this happened and we
Speaker 2: witnessed it nineteen ninety four. Yeah. So, now here's the
Speaker 2: thing I'm trying to get at. If you've got an
Speaker 2: object that's circling the Sun and even going out to
Speaker 2: Jupiter and it ultimately is an impactor on Earth, there's
Speaker 2: two types of impactors we can think of. One it
Speaker 2: comes out of the blue and we don't know it,
Speaker 2: no way to predict it, because it comes on its
Speaker 2: own path. It strikes the Earth, or it misses the
Speaker 2: Earth and goes back out into space never to return.
Speaker 2: If that's a long period comet, a short period comet
Speaker 2: is orbiting pretty much in the Earth's orbital plane, the
Speaker 2: plane of the ecliptic. And if we know that things
Speaker 2: hit the Earth, well before they hit the Earth, they're
Speaker 2: making this passage, this loop, and each loop they're being
Speaker 2: drawn in closer and closer to that moment of impact. Right,
Speaker 2: if you're a culture, you might witness a comet coming back,
Speaker 2: like Comet Ink, which is part of the Torred meteor stream,
Speaker 2: has a three point three year return. It comes back
Speaker 2: to the Sun every three point three years. Well, if
Speaker 2: you let's say that's a big comet nucleus, because Ankee
Speaker 2: probably was a small piece of a much bigger comet.
Speaker 2: So if you're watching that and it's part of the
Speaker 2: torred by the way, part of the torred stream, you're
Speaker 2: seeing that every three point three years, you're seeing this
Speaker 2: comet coming through the sky. First time you see it,
Speaker 2: it's pretty far out there. It's just a nice little site.
Speaker 2: It looks more like a bright star with a tail.
Speaker 2: Now three and point three years later you see it again,
Speaker 2: but now it's bigger and brighter. Three point three years
Speaker 2: later it's back again, and now it's even bigger and brighter. Right,
Speaker 2: you get what I'm seeing so just somebody witnessing this
Speaker 2: from the surface of the Earth might get pretty alarmed, say, hey,
Speaker 2: that thing is getting closer and closer.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that the Lentini has probably got the
Speaker 1: hell off the island fairly consistently because they're not guessing
Speaker 1: them that IMPACT's going to come, and they knew it
Speaker 1: was going to be coming soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that there were a whole uh,
Speaker 2: you know, astronomical priesthoods whose job it was, we know this,
Speaker 2: to watch the heavens. And in order to identify let's say,
Speaker 2: processional motion, you have to be uh obsessive skywatchers. And
Speaker 2: when we look at the tales of old, what we
Speaker 2: find over and over again is uh things like serpents,
Speaker 2: cosmic serpents, and dragons and heaven all of that. Well,
Speaker 2: that was the metaphor that was used for these celestial
Speaker 2: visitations of shooting stars, meteors, comets, asteroids and all of that.
Speaker 1: What are we doing today though, to cover our ass
Speaker 1: for not much?
Speaker 2: We're not doing enough.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's gonna happen if we get if
Speaker 1: we see somebody coming close solid body, we don't have
Speaker 1: anything to do to deflect it, Dewey.
Speaker 2: Well, we did. The Dark mission was the first test
Speaker 2: to see if it was realistic to nudge an object
Speaker 2: that was on an impact trajectory with the Earth to
Speaker 2: nudge it enough so it would miss the Earth. We
Speaker 2: have the potential, I mean, we could. I'm a huge
Speaker 2: advocate of the creation of a planetary defense system because
Speaker 2: I've been tracking this obsessively from the nineteen eighties and
Speaker 2: I know how frequently cosmic debris flies by the Earth
Speaker 2: that could have devastating consequences if it was just a
Speaker 2: little bit closer. Right, it's an overlooked hazard because the old,
Speaker 2: obsolete models are putting major impacts that tens to hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands of years apart. The new data suggests that
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot been, a whole lot more impacts,
Speaker 2: more closely clustered than we had imagined twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2: And I don't think we've adjusted to that because part
Speaker 2: of the problem is that there are vested interests, for example,
Speaker 2: that don't want humans to be thinking about cosmic impacts
Speaker 2: because that might detract from the manufactured narrative of a
Speaker 2: carbon dioxide driven climate change or global warming, which in
Speaker 2: my opinion is pretty much manufactured on flimsy evidence, and
Speaker 2: that's something we could certainly talk about in another episode.
Speaker 2: But every time now that there is a what happened
Speaker 2: in North Carolina with the flooding, what just happened, And
Speaker 2: I knew instantly when this was going on that they
Speaker 2: would be trotting out the global warming scenario to explain it.
Speaker 2: But then that ignores the fact that there have been
Speaker 2: at least like four other equivalent scale flood events in
Speaker 2: that watershed in the last hundred years. So there's this
Speaker 2: whole agenda right now that is using the climate crisis,
Speaker 2: as they're calling it now to control energy production, distribution,
Speaker 2: and consumption. And that's the out I mean, that is
Speaker 2: the final result of the implementation of net zero policies.
Speaker 2: Net zero is going to require total control of energy,
Speaker 2: all energy use, right, and then you've got it gets complicated,
Speaker 2: and certainly it's something I feel is important to talk about.
Speaker 2: But the point is is that things happen naturally and
Speaker 2: humans could abandon the planet. We could all shut down
Speaker 2: our SUVs and our cars and quit using air conditioning
Speaker 2: and live in intents, right, but that's not going to
Speaker 2: stop catastrophic events, weather events from happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess My point is that I haven't heard
Speaker 1: from NASA or any special space agency talk about repelling
Speaker 1: an asteroid or a meteor that could be a triminating.
Speaker 2: Well, look up, look up the Dark Mission, Dart Dark Mission,
Speaker 2: you'll find some stuff there. But the point I was
Speaker 2: trying to make, Cliff, is that there are factions, agenda
Speaker 2: driven factions that only want people to focus on carbon
Speaker 2: dioxide and what that's going to do. And that's important,
Speaker 2: of course, But to me, the possibility and potential of
Speaker 2: a cosmic impact is orders of magnitude more important than
Speaker 2: what carbon dioxide is doing, because carbon dioxide has a
Speaker 2: limited ability to capture thermal energy, and four hundred parts
Speaker 2: per million is already past that limitation now, So most
Speaker 2: of the heat that is being captured by carbon dioxide
Speaker 2: in the atmosphere takes place in the first fifty two
Speaker 2: hundred parts per million, okay, and then it declines rapidly
Speaker 2: from there, like what would be called an in verse
Speaker 2: logarithmic scale, so that each increment of additional carbon dioxide
Speaker 2: is only going to capture one tenth as much heat
Speaker 2: as an equivalent previous increment of carbon dixe. So the
Speaker 2: more you add up to a point, the more you add,
Speaker 2: the less heat's going to be captured. And we're past
Speaker 2: that at four hundred plus parts per million, were past that,
Speaker 2: so it's not really an issue. Is the average temperature
Speaker 2: appear to be getting warmer? Yes, for two reasons. One
Speaker 2: because our baseline was the end of the Little Ice Age,
Speaker 2: the coldest millennia of the last ten thousand years. So
Speaker 2: if you use that as a baseline, and that'd be
Speaker 2: like saying, oh, well, we're going to take early March
Speaker 2: is our baseline, and then in July we're going to
Speaker 2: argue that the planet is you know, change, a planet
Speaker 2: is in a warming phase. It's unprecedentedly warm. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: it will be if your baseline is early March, you know,
Speaker 2: and now you're talking about July. Well, the Little Ice
Speaker 2: Age was the coldest millennia of the last ten or
Speaker 2: twelve thousand years, so that's our baseline. The second thing
Speaker 2: is is that a lot of the warming has to
Speaker 2: do with the growth of urban complexes, and most of
Speaker 2: our weather data comes from weather monitoring stations that were
Speaker 2: installed at airports. Well, if you look at an airport
Speaker 2: fifty years ago, and then you look at it now,
Speaker 2: what you're going to see is that it's you know,
Speaker 2: it may have been a rural airport fifty years ago,
Speaker 2: and now it's surrounded by concrete and asphalt and buildings,
Speaker 2: air conditioning, condensing units, all of these things like that
Speaker 2: are absorbing heat. And the cities, now some of the
Speaker 2: major cities are implementing mitigation efforts to lessen the impact
Speaker 2: of that urban heat island defect. Well, well, you're not
Speaker 2: being told when you're getting okay, here is the unprecedented
Speaker 2: warmest temperature every here's records are being broken. What you're
Speaker 2: not being told is that those records mostly are coming
Speaker 2: from urban areas that anywhere from three to ten degrees
Speaker 2: warmer than the surrounding rural countryside. That's called the urban
Speaker 2: heat island effect. So there's a lot of manipulation going
Speaker 2: on that people who have not looked into this don't understand,
Speaker 2: and so they're easily manipulated. They're easily indoctrinated into believing
Speaker 2: this is a crisis. Yet there are things you watch
Speaker 2: within the next month or two will probably see a
Speaker 2: major flyby. They're coming by every few months now fly by.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by flyby?
Speaker 2: A flyby like an asteroid type? Oh okay, flying by
Speaker 2: the Earth?
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, amazing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you want to know about asteroid mitigation efforts,
Speaker 2: look up the Dark Dat Dark Mission game and that'll
Speaker 2: tell you. So those are that's like our first inroads
Speaker 2: into this effort to look at how we might implement
Speaker 2: a planetary defense system. I am trying to I now
Speaker 2: know a few people that are working in the Space
Speaker 2: Force and at one point Matt Lomyer, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know who Matt Lomier.
Speaker 1: Is, is not familiar.
Speaker 2: He wrote this book right here, Irresistible Revolution. Matt Lomier.
Speaker 2: This is him here, Lieutenant Colonel Matt Lomyer. He was
Speaker 2: set up as one of the second or i think
Speaker 2: second in command of Space Force when it was He's
Speaker 2: highly trained. He's like the top gun Tom Cruise movie guy.
Speaker 2: He's like that guy. Right. Anyways, he was in line
Speaker 2: to become a head of Space Force, but he wrote
Speaker 2: this book right there about the wokeness that was infiltrating
Speaker 2: and infecting the military, and he didn't think this was
Speaker 2: a good thing. He wrote this book and he went
Speaker 2: on a couple of interviews like we're doing right here,
Speaker 2: and he talked about why he thought it was going
Speaker 2: to harm the mission of the US military. He got
Speaker 2: booted Biden years. Yeah, he got the boot, which in
Speaker 2: effect proved what he was saying. Here's this hiding and
Speaker 2: millions of dollars invested in him to train him to
Speaker 2: become one of the top and you know, and I
Speaker 2: mean his his resume is extraordinary. But so yeah, he
Speaker 2: got the boot for speaking his mind about this and
Speaker 2: which proved his point right there. So anyways, what I'm
Speaker 2: getting at is, before he got the boot, we had
Speaker 2: he was organizing a conference where he was going to
Speaker 2: have like forty or fifty of the base commanders of
Speaker 2: Space Force and I was going to go and I
Speaker 2: was going to present a give a presentation on the
Speaker 2: importance of planetary defense and why I thought that should
Speaker 2: become a major part of the mission of Space Force.
Speaker 2: Well then COVID came along and didn't.
Speaker 1: Happen, wiped everything out.
Speaker 2: Wiped everything out. So then once they started opening up
Speaker 2: again and said you can start gathering, he started reorganizing
Speaker 2: to do again, to do the same conference. Well then
Speaker 2: his book came out and he got booted and so
Speaker 2: it never happened. But since then, I've met a couple
Speaker 2: of people now who are in Space Force, smart young
Speaker 2: men that have gone into Space Force, and hopefully it'll
Speaker 2: come back around again. And I if you know, if
Speaker 2: I get the invite or get the opportunity, I will
Speaker 2: most definitely go in and give my presentation on you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would think it would be more outwardly
Speaker 1: presented to the public rather than a black box or
Speaker 1: a black ops kind of a project for the military,
Speaker 1: because you got to tell people what the potential is.
Speaker 1: You know, if there's an asteroid that's coming close to
Speaker 1: us that could affect not only our weather but actually
Speaker 1: have an impact, that's pretty serious, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely it is. And it's like I said,
Speaker 2: it's it's an overlooked issue, which is too bad. I
Speaker 2: would really like to see I would really like to
Speaker 2: see more attention given to that. And I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: I think I've got something here, handy. Let me see
Speaker 2: if it's handy, and I will.
Speaker 1: It's going to be your final final graphic, and then
Speaker 1: we got to let you go. I promised ninety minutes.
Speaker 1: And as work, we're getting over the hour there.
Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, and like I've got a hard stop
Speaker 2: coming up in a minute.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's why I wanted to kind of conclude
Speaker 1: us here.
Speaker 2: Okay, well let's let's let's leave it with this then
Speaker 2: I will I'll show you when I got here, well
Speaker 2: very quickly, just to create impression.
Speaker 1: That's pretty harrowing, my friend.
Speaker 2: Well, see, this is what people don't know. And so
Speaker 2: I've gone through here. You can see. I started in
Speaker 2: the late eighties monitoring every close encounter we had, and
Speaker 2: you can see here if I just go through.
Speaker 1: Wow, you actually had the actual dimensions of.
Speaker 2: These Oh yeah, yeah, I've done a whole study. Near
Speaker 2: Miss asteroid revealed its two bodies, all eyes on near
Speaker 2: Miss asteroid. It was a close call for planet Earth.
Speaker 2: This is great. Yeah. On at midnight Greenwich meantime, on
Speaker 2: August tenth, nineteen ninety eight, asteroid mL fourteen crossed the
Speaker 2: orbit of the Earth at the exact point that the
Speaker 2: latter had occupied eighteen hours earlier. Had mL fourteen reached
Speaker 2: that point at six am the previous morning, an area
Speaker 2: of the size of France would have been totally devastated.
Speaker 2: By six oh five. Most of the world's vegetation would
Speaker 2: have been in flames by eight o'clock and thirty to
Speaker 2: forty percent of the human race would have been dead
Speaker 2: or dying by late October. Now, this was a near miss,
Speaker 2: and this is happening frequently. So you can see asteroid
Speaker 2: estimates too low, asteroid makes close approach, Scientists worry over asteroids,
Speaker 2: huge asteroid narrowly And these are all separate events. See wow,
Speaker 2: large asteroid passes close to Earth. Asteroid buzzes Earth too
Speaker 2: close for comfort. Asteroid passed within seventy five thousand miles
Speaker 2: of the Earth. This is just like a This is
Speaker 2: almost like scraping the earth. See, so we could go
Speaker 2: through this and it goes on and on and on.
Speaker 1: It's amazing that they're actually presenting it news as newsworthy.
Speaker 1: But it's out there.
Speaker 2: But see, it's getting lost in the noise, is what's happening,
Speaker 2: Because there's so much bullshit now, Cliff, that people aren't
Speaker 2: paying attention to the To me, one of the most
Speaker 2: important issues facing our civilization right now is what I'm
Speaker 2: showing you right here. Because it goes on and on
Speaker 2: and on and and that's why I call this While
Speaker 2: mankind sleeps. Part of what I'm trying to do, Cliff
Speaker 2: is wake mankind the hell up and realize our planet
Speaker 2: is part of a larger ecosystem and we've got to
Speaker 2: start thinking big wow. And that's that's my message. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out of here. Stop there.
Speaker 1: Randall Carlson, always a pleasure to have you on the program,
Speaker 1: and uh, very very insightful data. Hey, give us your
Speaker 1: your latest social media. I know you've got a new
Speaker 1: website your building, but give us your website how people
Speaker 1: can reach out.
Speaker 2: To you, Randall, Randallcarlton dot com. That's going to get you. Also,
Speaker 2: howtube dot com. I'm partners with with them now and
Speaker 2: they're hosting all my stuff. I'm also on Rombele. But
Speaker 2: Randallcarlton dot com should get to where.
Speaker 1: We should mention that you're rebuilding your website, So is
Speaker 1: a new one going to be up by summer end
Speaker 1: of summer or.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it should be up. At the rate
Speaker 2: it's going, it could be in two.
Speaker 1: Weeks, amazing. And we should also mention that you're gonna
Speaker 1: be all over the media here shortly, so you're you
Speaker 1: still have celebrity status.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, All night.
Speaker 1: Hey Man, great having you on the program. You're a blast.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks for joining.
Speaker 2: Thanks Cliff, I've always enjoyed getting together with you. One
Speaker 2: of these days. I hope we have never met in person.
Speaker 1: We haven't, you know. And we're gonna meet at Cosmic
Speaker 1: somebody I'm hoping to go next year. Get my act together, uh,
Speaker 1: and I'll meet you in person, So pleasure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shake your hand and give you a bro hug,
Speaker 2: go have dinner whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a local brew. I'm a micro brew guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Hey, thanks again, Man, you got it.
Speaker 2: My friend.
Speaker 1: Right is a good one to have on the program
Speaker 1: because he demonstrates with graphs, photographs, and other images quite regularly,
Speaker 1: and we have it all for you on our YouTube
Speaker 1: channel Earth Just go to YouTube and go to Earth Ancients.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be up no later than the twenty six,
Speaker 1: which is a few days from now. We're gonna try
Speaker 1: to get it up midweek. We're still slowly moving to
Speaker 1: get our videos up around the same time that we
Speaker 1: released the audio our podcast at Earth Ancients here. So
Speaker 1: real fun having him on the program, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: do a best of the best with Randall probably before
Speaker 1: the end of the year. We have a best of
Speaker 1: the best we're working with with for Graham Hancock, and
Speaker 1: we got a nice one for Robert Temple. We've had
Speaker 1: Robert on the program three times already and we're gonna
Speaker 1: have him on again talking about a new book that
Speaker 1: he's working on. And you know, it's funny because he
Speaker 1: has actually been around longer than Graham Hancock, and some
Speaker 1: of his early books are not really recognized. He has
Speaker 1: a book on Egypt that is phenomenal. And if you
Speaker 1: haven't heard of Robert Temple, do a search for him.
Speaker 1: He is kind of an early research investigator, worked with
Speaker 1: people like Robert Beaval and John Anthony West and many
Speaker 1: many others searching out the various mysteries from our ancient past.
Speaker 1: So anyhow, I hope you enjoyed Randall Carlton. He's always
Speaker 1: fun to have on the program. And when I mentioned
Speaker 1: Earth Ancients does tours, we have a couple of tours
Speaker 1: coming up. We have our final tour of the year,
Speaker 1: which is our Sacred Temples of Guatemala December first through
Speaker 1: the twelfth. This is a great tour. We're about half
Speaker 1: four we're only taking twenty people. The reason this is
Speaker 1: unique is in Mexico, and we do Mexico every year
Speaker 1: as well. You can't climb any of the pyramids, you
Speaker 1: cannot move around the temples, you can't do strangely, can't
Speaker 1: do any ceremonies with shaman, any meditative practices. Is very,
Speaker 1: very restrictive because of the Catholic Church. Why because they
Speaker 1: are afraid people will become enlightened. And that's pretty sad.
Speaker 1: In Guatemala, it's a completely different story. There's shaman doing ceremony.
Speaker 1: There are techniques for working with the energies of the pyramids.
Speaker 1: We will climb, we will integrate with the pyramids, and
Speaker 1: we will have a great time. The entire itinerary for
Speaker 1: this tour is on Earth Ancients, Go to Earth Ancients
Speaker 1: dot com forward slash tours. See the entire itinerary. And
Speaker 1: one last thing. We have the best prices. I'm always
Speaker 1: looking at our competitors, and most competitors are double. We're
Speaker 1: half of what most competitors charge for our tours. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's Guatemala. We have a megalithic that is coming
Speaker 1: up April twenty eighth through May tenth of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: This is with Mohammed Ebrahim and the Sabatur team, and
Speaker 1: this is a great tour because we're going to be
Speaker 1: specifically looking for sites that have megalithic sculpture, megalithic buildings,
Speaker 1: and pyramidal structures, including the Hajuara Labyrinth and the pyramid
Speaker 1: in that area. And these are sites that are rarely visited.
Speaker 1: That is going to be a beauty. That's a rare
Speaker 1: chance to see some of the largest sculptures in the world,
Speaker 1: including the Ramsey two sculpture in Memphis. If you have
Speaker 1: not seen the Ramsey two sculpture, it's totally out of place.
Speaker 1: They don't know how it was carved. It was carved
Speaker 1: likely from a seven hundred ton block of granite. The
Speaker 1: exquisite nature of the carving is unusual. And if you
Speaker 1: want to see a picture of it, go to so
Speaker 1: Facebook can go to either my profile which is Cliff Dunning,
Speaker 1: or go to Facebook and go to Earth Ancients, either
Speaker 1: the group or the either the private or the group
Speaker 1: page public page and see this monstrosity. How they carve
Speaker 1: these sculptures is beyond any of the pharaohs, any of
Speaker 1: the dynastic periods. In fact, most archaeologists scratch their head
Speaker 1: and wonder why so. The Megalithic Tour of Egypt again
Speaker 1: is April twenty eighth through May tenth. For the full itenerary,
Speaker 1: go to Earth Ancients, dot com forward slash Tours, come
Speaker 1: out and join us. All right, that's it for this show.
Speaker 1: I want to think my guest today, Randall Carlson. Always
Speaker 1: a blast having Randall on the program as always, the
Speaker 1: team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and Fasil Parves. You
Speaker 1: guys rock all right, take care, be well and we
Speaker 1: will talk to you next time.