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Speaker 1: What is going on? Slippers fans?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to season four, episode twenty four of Clips in Dim.

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I am Chuck Wickler. The full crew is here today.

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We got Adam Ozen, William Updyke. I am back from Montana.

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I'm feeling great. If you're watching us, thank you. If

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you'd like to watch us, you can find us at

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YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast.

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Speaker 1: Guys, the All Star Game has come and gone. How

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are we feeling? How? How's the weekend? I have a haggle,

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no haggle that I'm interested to see Adam's take on.

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Speaker 3: Adam and I nailed Kawhya's stats in the All Star

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Game like to a t on the Prophets. So feeling about.

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Speaker 4: That thirty one and twelve minutes we had that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was incredible. Do you haggle, no haggle?

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Is Kawhi the fifty fourth best player in the NBA?

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Speaker 1: Haggle?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 4: Bill Simmons still have a show on the Wringer Man.

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Speaker 2: That's what a performance. I this isn't aside. I watched

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the Dunk contest with my youngest nephew and he thought

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that that guy from the Magic was dead when he

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smacked his head. It was I was like, it's fine.

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Thankfully he popped back up. But yeah, I feel like

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this weekend went well. All Star weekend went well for

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the Clippers, right, we showed off the arena, Yannick was good.

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Speaker 1: Could not Kawhi.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm not gonna say silence the doubters because they

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will never be quiet. But couldn't have gone better and

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we didn't get an as great.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't been paying attention, you know, look, if

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you have, I haven't been paying attention. But for whatever reason,

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watched the All Star Game. This was like a great

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reminder of you know, who Kawhi Leonard is and what

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he's still capable of even at this age, in this

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stage of his career. So I think that that is

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really really cool, because yeah, when I talk to people

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who don't really follow basketball at work or whatever, they're like, oh,

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why he used to be good, right, And I like,

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he used to, you.

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Speaker 1: Fools used to.

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Speaker 2: I liked what he said kind of about the injuries

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and stuff, like how it takes a lot of work

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for him to get to this level after all the

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injuries he's had, So like the logic of him not

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liking basketball or anything. Doesn't even make sense, Not that

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we need to be convinced, but like, he's continued to

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work his way back from pretty terrible injuries and Adam,

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he continues to be a.

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Speaker 1: Top three player in the league. Why what if he

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cared about basketball, think I'll get.

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Speaker 4: He would be And the guy stays in shape year round.

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He's always super lean, He's in great shape. If for

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some reason he wasn't and people were criticizing him, maybe

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it would make some sense. But obviously, Kawhi puts in

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the work. No one gets to this point. No one

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keeps getting better through all the injuries if they're not

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training at the highest level. And we've heard all the stories.

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But yeah, he's one of the hardest workers in the league.

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And I'm glad some people have accepted that he's still

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one of the best players in the league after this

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performance on All Star Weekends.

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Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith is not. But we don't talk about

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his takes on this show.

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Speaker 4: Well, he just kicks the can down the road and goes, oh,

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what about in April. It's like he just played last April.

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First of all, were you're paying attention to that? He's

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still acting like he hasn't played in the playoff series forever.

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Speaker 1: Well, he can't watch all the games, man, he's playing solitaire.

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Speaker 2: Kawhi did have a funny on the nose description of

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the team as currently constructed. He said, obviously right now

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with the roster, we're not contenders. We got a lot

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of young guys that's learning Darius to be healthy for

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the second half. If he's there available for the second half,

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you really need him to get going for next year.

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So that's his mindset, not wrong. I don't think it's

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I don't think it's unfair to say we're not contenders.

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Speaker 4: Do people miss the part where Lawrence Frank said we

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want to get back to being contenders post All Star

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break or post All Star post trade deadline? I should say,

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Speaker 3: Well, and like what do you consider to be contenders?

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that like tier one of teams which of right now

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in the West there's truly only one? Uh No, So

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he didn't mean it in yeah, like it's

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not that they're.

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Speaker 4: Tenth in the West right now, there's still two games

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in or five hundred. You can't be a contender after

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It's I'm sorry, this is the reality of it. You

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got to look towards the future. A little bit doesn't

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mean they can't give it. Give it. They're all and

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see what they can do. Cool. I talked about messing

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up somebody else's season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I like that quote. I can't.

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Speaker 2: It was from a couple of weeks ago where it

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was like, what did you learn after the trade deadline?

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It was like, oh, we learned that we love to

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hoop like they just they want to mess up someone

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else's season, which is a fun chip on your shoulder

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to have.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens next year in the off

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season with everything. But I don't think it was crazy

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at all.

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Speaker 2: Yanick in the Rising Stars game, Adam, you continue to be,

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in your own words, dangerously high on Yannick?

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Speaker 1: Has that plateau at all?

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Speaker 4: Or?

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Speaker 1: Are you waiting for five three point attempts? First the

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Nuggets on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: I'll wait, I'll wait and see. I thought you pretty good.

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He made a three pointer. He's zero three so far

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in the regular season, but some of the defense was

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pretty bad and on some of the dunks he had

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pretty easy rim runners for Onik that was light work

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in the Rising Stars competition. But I think we know

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he has a pretty high ceiling given his overall skill

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set that we have seen going back to Summer League,

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with him handling the basketball as well as he can.

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It's seven feet tall, it's it's a project, but the

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ceiling is high.

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Speaker 2: Do we have a thirty minute highlight video from his

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college time if anyone needs to just go ahead and

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ask us on Twitter. We watched it a little bit

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when he got drafted, and I'm dangerously high on Yannick.

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Speaker 1: I don't think will is it.

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like people shouldn't be worried about Isaiah

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of worried about that, but I don't know how big

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Speaker 3: That is, no, because like it's it's still gonna be

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like Yonick is still such a raw prospect that it's

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largely just going to be developmental minutes. So I wouldn't worry.

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Speaker 1: About that too much.

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stream as the Rising Stars game was happening, and I

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mean it's exciting, he's exciting, but there is still there's

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still like a long way to go towards figuring out

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like where exactly he can like permanently slot into this rotation,

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he's still sort of enigma on the court in a

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way that like isn't. I mean, it's great for potential

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upside in the future, but it makes it a little

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bit more difficult to determine where exactly you slot into

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this rotation. So in terms of like a direct threat

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to his minutes, no, I wouldn't say that because I think,

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you know, even going back to the Qui quote, like

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we know where this franchise is at. Obviously they still

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want to finish above five hundred, you know, see if

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they can kind of roll the dice and maybe upset

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somebody in the in the play in and possibly playoffs

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depending on where they're seated. But uh, you know, development

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is clearly a big focus from where we're at right now,

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and Adam and I were talking about like, well, especially

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not knowing where Garland is at, the ceiling for this

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team is lower. I think it's fair to say the

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ceiling for this team is lower than it was pre

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All Star Break, pre trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: If you're taking the long view of things, we're like

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in an infinitely better position because even you know, like

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even best case scenario for that team was, you know,

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get a high playing spot, maybe you can get as

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Speaker 1: You know, like.

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that team, uh, you know, with with Herd, with hardened

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and with Zubots. But you're still looking at like best

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case scenario you you somehow battle your way out of

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a first round series and and probably get wiped in

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the next one. So you know, like if you're if

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you're taking the long view of it, I think that

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it's pretty like we're in a we sacrifice an immediate

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ceiling for a longer view. So in terms of Yanick, like, no,

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the picture. His development is now suddenly going to take

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that long view thing a lot.

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Speaker 2: And the long view with Theonic specifically, is what's that

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defense going to look like?

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Speaker 1: Exactly?

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Speaker 4: The long view, I don't think the ceiling is that

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much lower than where it was if they still had

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to each of Zoo Boss and James Harden, provided that

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Darius Garland is back sometime in the next couple of weeks. Right,

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you know, in terms of if the ceiling before was

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maybe you get out of a first round series, I

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think it's kind of the same. I don't think it's

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that much different. Like maybe if everything breaks your way,

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you get out of a first round series.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I feel like before it was maybe you get out

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of a first round series, and now it's maybe you

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get out of a first round series just a little

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Speaker 3: The different like the difference is the reps, right, Like

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instead of having Harden and Visa zubots through another playoff loss,

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which you know they have enough playoff reps, we know

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what we're gonna get out of them, you know, for

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better or worse, and like having younger guys in that

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same sort of position, even though you know Matthroom has

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been there, h Garland has obviously been there. But this

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iteration of the team getting some sort of playoff reps,

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I think that that's more valuable than anything that this

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team could have like accomplished long view wise, in terms

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of ceiling.

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Speaker 4: Like, once you start six and twenty one, your ceiling's

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pretty low.

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Speaker 1: Nobody hits his head at that point.

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Speaker 4: Outside of the ninety five rockets is one championship the

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last fifty years, it wasn't a top three seed. Like

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these are the numbers. I don't think that's going to

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change anytime soon here.

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Speaker 3: But you're saying there's a chance, So there's a.

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Speaker 4: Chance they get out the first round.

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Speaker 1: That first round would be fun.

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Speaker 2: I would not I mean that I don't think that

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will happen, But if the Clippers got out of the

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first round of the playoffs, I'd be like, great, this

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is whatever. That was an amazing seven games. I don't

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know how we got I mean.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen nineteen is still like that's like the most fun

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for like one of the most fun first rounds ever.

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You know that there were nail biers. There were better

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ones in the in the lop City era, but that

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one to me in terms of like just sheer determination. Yeah,

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it's just like it's a wild so it'd be similar vibes.

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Speaker 4: It's like, if you get Houston or San Antonio, I

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think you'd have a shot in that series. If Kawhi

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is coming in playing like this. Yeah, I think, I

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don't think. I don't think the odds are that crazy.

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but it wouldn't be that much different than if you

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had to beat to Boston James Harden. I think if

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Speaker 1: I would love the Rockets in the first round, because.

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Speaker 3: You're saying Harden's vintage playoff jokers. Joker Darius Garland is

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more clutched in the playoffs than James Harden.

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Speaker 1: Body of work wise. We've veered off into a hot

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take show. So now that I'm back from montam all.

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Speaker 3: Right, let's start about let's let's get it on the

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goat debate.

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Speaker 2: Let's start the timer every do they have their buzzers?

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There was let's get on the goat debate. There was

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aspiration stuff this weekend, because there has to be. It

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was talked about no decision yet. Adam Silver has said

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the Clippers have been cooperative, which is good. Part of

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me wishes they were being kind of bitchy about the

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whole thing, but I don't think that would help their case.

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Did you guys watch the pabulatory episode. I'm exhausted by them.

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Speaker 1: I can't, dude. I'm like, I just have better things

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Speaker 3: And there's like worst thing now too, that like Adam

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Silver is reportedly finding teams because of pressure that he's

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getting from these gambling websites and stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's all bad.

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Speaker 3: I don't you know, I don't, right, it's all capacity.

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The real world is bad.

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Speaker 1: This is my escape. Okay. That's how I felt about

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my god damn escape.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel about these episodes. I'm like, I'm

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sure they're well researched. I'm not knocking the guy's research

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or anything, but I'm just like, dude, I'm sorry, Like

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the public opinion has already been figured out. Josephry Ward

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texts me how he feels about it, and I just

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kind of go off of.

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Speaker 4: That as we all do. We wait for our north

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Star and Joseph fry Award with these things. I did

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watch it. I didn't find anything, you know, that was

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that more concrete when it comes to his evidence than

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what he had before or whatever. We'll see what happens.

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I'm a little exhausted with the two.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, and you know what's gonna happen. They're

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gonna take the punishment. I don't think the Clippers are

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gonna appeal anything. When the punishment comes.

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Speaker 4: Out, I might, we'll see. I don't know much.

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Speaker 2: Good stretch it out. Stretch it out. The lawyers would

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like that. It is like the most expensive law firm

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in the country.

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Speaker 3: It's good for the lawyers, it's good for Pablo. Let's

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get this content economy run in.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Tell we're about any other notes highs lows from the

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All Star Weekend that you guys would like to share

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before we move on to basketball.

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Speaker 1: It's coming up in a couple of days.

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Speaker 4: Wid the best moment of the weekend, I don't think

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that's arguable, honestly, about thirty one points in twelve minutes.

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Pointing to the wall after the game winner against kat

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That was awesome. It was great to see.

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Speaker 2: Shout out the wall. They booed Luco a bunch, they

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represented well. Happy to have the wall. Wish the wish

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it wasn't a different time. That's all I want to

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say about the All Star weekend.

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Speaker 4: Time it would just be later making a night thing

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all prime time. Yeah. Yeah. The Olympics. The Olympics kind

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of disrupted everything.

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Speaker 2: But I get it, damn Olympics and put basketball in

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the Winter Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Two, let's have both all right, coming on? Play on

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ice yet now now we're talking. Now we see who

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the who the real pros are.

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Speaker 4: What's your nd season tournament right here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What if all of them just played hockey for

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the end season tournament? All right?

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Speaker 2: Coming up, we are discussing a back to back that

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the Clippers start off with, because why not coming back

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from a nice break.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to the.

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Speaker 2: There's not going to be or there is going to

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be a break, So there's gonna be some ads coming up.

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Speaker 1: They might be loud coming up in three two one.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back into clips and Dip. We just

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talked about the exciting fanfare that was All Star weekend.

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Now it's time to get into some real hoops. The Clippers,

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as mentioned before the break, are taking on a back

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to back, which is just a portion of a three

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and four that they have coming up Thursday through Sunday.

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The big part of this, though, is this Nuggets Lakers

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back to back, and we kick things off against the

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Nuggets on Thursday after an extended break. Charles, is this

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do we finally get over the hump here against the Nuggets.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is the one. I don't. I'm not.

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Maybe it's weird because there's gonna you know.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's a little more up in the air

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because it is after the break, right, Kawhi is obviously

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in a fine form and stuff like that. But last

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time was absurd because Tim Hardaway Junior shots seventy from three.

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So I just feels like it just feels like cosmically

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we're not supposed to win this game, and I think

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there's a lot of new moving pieces.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel great about it. Adam your thoughts, you're

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giving a look.

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Speaker 4: It's still without not just Aaron Gordon, but Peyton Watson's

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now out with a hamstring issue, Okay, who turned into

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an absolute stud this season for them with all the

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injuries going on. So they got to absorbed one more.

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Yokich's back, and Cameron Johnson played their last game, so

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they're down a couple of key guys still, but at

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least the games and into it though the Nuggets have

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never had success there.

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Speaker 2: God, I try and memory wipe the last time I

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watched the Nuggets play the Clippers into it Dome every

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day that I wake up. Yeah, I put this in

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the notes. Will other than Kawhi needing to go for

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twenty eight on forty seven to fifty shooting, what are

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the Clips got to do to get a dub against

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this Nuggets team?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think again, like it's got to go

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back to that development thing. So hopefully we see more

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of the good that we saw from Matherin's debut, certainly

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the passing defensively and the shot. I'm still not gonna

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worry about it if it's not quite there. He's still

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going to be figuring some things out, but it'd be good.

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It'd be good to see that. I'm also I'm also

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curious to see who done.

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Speaker 1: Post All Star break.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's not a guy who seems like, yeah,

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like I wonder what he does with his free.

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Speaker 2: Time A bit of a people were unhappy with how

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he ended the not first half of the season, but

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kind of going into the All Star break, people have

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been kind of unhappy with him offensively. But I don't

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know how high your expectations should be for Kris Dunn offensively.

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Speaker 3: He's in a tough position.

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Speaker 4: He's pretty good their last game, right or three pointers

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the win against Houston.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see Derek Jones junior versus Nuggets team.

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Speaker 1: Uh, he played.

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Speaker 2: We always talk about this is the guy you want

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versus the Nuggets, and he's played well recently, so, like,

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I hope he can hold onto some of that momentum

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now that he's back.

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Speaker 4: I'm interested to see how they go about playing the

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Nuggets for the first time in a long time without

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it eatsa Zubats. Yeah, against Nikola Jokicic because the plan

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before was kind of like, try to slow down Jokic

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and make everybody else, make everybody else beat you. If

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Jokics goes for fifty, typically he doesn't win those games. Now,

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he did it get the Clippers earlier this season, but

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he had fifty five. But before that, he was like

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losing every game where he went for fifty or more.

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Is it let Jokics go off and shut down the

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rest of the guys? Now does the plan shift to that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I Well, offensively, it's gonna be difficult

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to like, like, what does this current construction of the

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Clippers look like. Defensively? For Jokic not to go off.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's like that. What they don't have of

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trying to slow down Jokic anymore, Like they could try

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to do that before with the beats of Zubats on him,

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who statistically is the best one on one defender against

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Yokis in the league. Without him, you kind of just

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gotta live with whatever Jokic does, kind of like what

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they do with Luka Dantic over the years. Yeah, don't

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let the other guys beat you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're still don't let other guys beat territory.

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Speaker 4: It's Jokic gets forty but he only has five assists.

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You know, we could live with that absolutely.

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Speaker 2: If the assists are below eight, I'm feeling pretty good.

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That's fair, which still isn't great all things considered, because

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he could have like sixty five points.

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Speaker 4: But if he's holding up the one hundred like Will

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Chamberlain afterwards, h things may have gone terribly wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be a bad thing right into it. Actually,

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I know you said it's a good thing, but it

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might be a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: He does share the all time scoring record there with Kawhi.

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Speaker 2: Right, I don't feel great about that, but it's a

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good kind of will to your like development point. Hey,

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good thing to figure out what guys look like against

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the top competition, like little baptism by fire for Yannick

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and some of the younger guys.

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Speaker 1: But that's what you need for a team like this.

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Speaker 4: I think Isaiah Jackson's gonna get some minutes against you.

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We're gonna find out more about him as a Clipper.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, they'll probably run out there. Yeah said.

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Speaker 4: This kind of flew out under the radar of the

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last week of the last four games, the four game

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road trip post All Star Break, where coach lu said

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it's going to be starting center by committee something to

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that effect the rest of the way. Now, Brook Lopez

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has played pretty decent the last few games, I would

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assume it's still kind of his spot to lose, but

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doesn't seem like maybe it's a youth movement thing. Maybe

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it's just want to see I wouldn't be surprised by

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the end of the season if Janick was starting some.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I hate by committee for a starting spot,

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but I think with this team's current makeup, it's not

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a huge.

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Speaker 1: Drop.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously different things the guys do, but like, yeah,

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I just I don't know. Will's I get nervous when

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I hear the BI committee because I'm just say, it

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usually just feels like it doesn't ever work.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I think with this current iteration of the team

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post trade deadline, but I'm fine with the BI committee.

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Speaker 1: It gets you time, I guess.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's to open up that possibility of

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later having Yannick as maybe your starter towards the end

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of the season. I don't know, we'll see. It's not

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like Brooks have been playing terribly as of blade.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely Lakers game the next day, we'd be

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them by eight.

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Speaker 2: The last time. Their defense is bad. But if you

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look at the stats from last game of EATSA, Zubots

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had ten offensive rebounds and the Lakers had six as

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a team.

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Speaker 4: Was that the Zoo eighteen and nineteen game?

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Speaker 1: I think it was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was kind of his turnaround spot or when

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he started to play a little bit better, felt healthier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So for the people who didn't like watching Zubots defend Luca,

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this will be a great game because now we're going

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to see what it looks like when the current iterational

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Clippers defends Luca.

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Speaker 1: I really I'm feeling I hope we get a split.

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We need to win one of these games.

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Speaker 2: I would not be surprised, and if we lose both

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of them, I would like to lose nobly.

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Speaker 3: We kind of win two out of these three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that I.

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Speaker 3: Mean ideally, I guess you know, down down people, it's understandable.

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But if if you're still have any any idea of contention.

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Speaker 2: That's magic on Sunday, which yeah, because like, realistically, right

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we split this no one like again, it's right after

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the break, so it's gonna be weird.

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Speaker 4: Is Luca for sure playing? Let me check because he

473
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has had the knee issue he didn't play the last

474
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couple of games for them, and get the All Star

475
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,160
break in there, which he didn't play during.

476
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Speaker 1: But I thought Wykey said he was going to.

477
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Speaker 4: Oh Diddy, let me look, just starluck and they're not

478
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on the second night of a bat to back.

479
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Speaker 1: And it's an away game for the Clippers. Kind of

480
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:45,319
you kidding me?

481
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

482
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:51,599
Speaker 2: Okay, No, Whykey didn't really have anything, he just said

483
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,680
checks out after five minutes. Not sure if we'll see

484
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,319
him again tonight playing in the game. Was important to him.

485
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,319
Lakers play next on Friday, four extra days for his

486
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:05,440
hamstring heel. I would bet he plays if you played

487
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,920
in the complete They need it, that's a great point.

488
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:10,119
They also need it.

489
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: They've had like only one hundred minutes or something that's

490
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,279
so far this season with him, Austin Reeves and Lebron

491
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,559
James actually out there. Oh wow, which is a little

492
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:26,519
bit scary. They they can't play better defense for them,

493
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,440
have been seventeenth the last ten games, which is actually

494
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better for them.

495
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very bad usually well, and they're like they're

496
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,359
only a game and a half up on the Suns

497
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:45,519
for a playing spot, so like they're not they gotta be.

498
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:52,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is their point to try to make a push,

499
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:57,400
have their big three out there healthy, and they're only

500
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,480
half a game behind Houston for the four spot.

501
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: Difficult way to come back from the Clippers, I would say.

502
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,480
And we have no Garland update. Not I'm not knocking

503
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,039
that we don't have a Garland update. It's not super surprising,

504
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,720
but hopefully he gets we get disappointing. Sure, hopefully we

505
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,920
get a little nugget of news there soon. Are we

506
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,160
doing all right? Player of the back to back. There's

507
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,000
only one guy we can't pick. We've got a wide

508
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:29,680
open field now for player of the game.

509
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: Picks.

510
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: Just can't pick Kawhi because that's just it's just obvious.

511
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:42,279
Pingalore's in hell with this new roster. Will who is

512
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:43,880
your player of the back to back?

513
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: I'm going I'm going b math I think that he is.

514
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:58,240
I think the is one game where the threes fall.

515
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Speaker 1: I like that. We'll need it.

516
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: And he continues to do the other stuff.

517
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: Well, nice, have a good game in this back to back.

518
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,839
Help us against Orlando.

519
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,839
Speaker 2: I would love that weekend from Mathron Adam, You're player

520
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,640
of the back to back.

521
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: That's a good call. Mathers do everything else has been

522
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,680
there but the shooting. But he still helped him in

523
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,880
that game at the free throw line, laid against Houston

524
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,319
before the break. He was great, made some clutch free throws.

525
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,160
I guess I'll go to John Collins.

526
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: Love it.

527
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: JC saves John Collins. Uh. He's still has looked pretty

528
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,440
consistent for a while now. Yeah, I'm good with taking

529
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,160
John Collins here. Moore has been asked of him offensively

530
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,000
right now, and he's been delivering, like the little mid

531
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,880
range stuff he's been doing with the turnaround fadeaways, showing

532
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,519
off more to his game. That's been exciting and fun

533
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,960
to watch. Oh, playing well as he has been for

534
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,880
a couple months.

535
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:57,039
Speaker 3: Outside of like Kawhi and JC. Like when we talk

536
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:01,160
about rotating lineups, does anyone else guarantee a starting spot,

537
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:05,039
like if they find something that works current roster. Yeah,

538
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:08,480
maybe maybe done just because of how slim the like

539
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,720
awaiting Garland's return, just because of how slim the guard

540
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:13,519
rotation is.

541
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 4: But like.

542
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,279
Speaker 3: Outside of those two guys, I mean, it's not it's

543
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,160
not a setting stone as it was pre pre trade

544
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,240
headline Derek Jones Jr. I don't think he's guaranteed the

545
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:24,920
starting spot.

546
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

547
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: I think done pretty much is until until Garland, until

548
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,599
Garland comes back. And Dune's making some really good passes.

549
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,359
Look at his assists the last few games. Here, lob

550
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,559
passes in at the front core. He's thrown that like

551
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,839
over the top pass around defenders to Kawhi Leonard on

552
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:45,920
the right block for some easy ones here and there.

553
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,759
He's had six assists, seven assists, six assists, five assists,

554
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:52,640
six assists. He's been having a six assists per game

555
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:01,920
basically the last seven here. Damn yeah, it might to turnovers. Hey,

556
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
that's a look good, says the turnover ratio on.

557
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: The floor, says C minus in Professor Updyke's basketball Clapp.

558
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,519
Speaker 1: I'm going Derek Jones Junior. I think the rest is

559
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:15,400
going to do him good.

560
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,119
Speaker 2: I think he had a good performance to kind of

561
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:21,799
get some momentum on and again we're gonna need him

562
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,119
to be if we whichever these two games we split.

563
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,359
Hopefully he's gonna have to come up big on both

564
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,519
ends too because we need him for his defense. Finally,

565
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,720
CP three is now making the media rounds post retirement.

566
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,039
He just came out with a clip talking about how

567
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,400
he was texting with Kawhi and like talking and kind

568
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,400
of detailed some of the stuff that him and Lawrence

569
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,880
Frank talked about. Apparently Lawrence Frank would not give him

570
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,920
a meeting with ty lu do your thing, Chris Paul,

571
00:29:57,799 --> 00:29:58,960
I don't.

572
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: It's just a weird ending.

573
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,799
Speaker 3: We already I don't know, we already heard some of

574
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,920
this stuff, and like you know, I was like a

575
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,319
little appalled at first to hear that, like Tyler wasn't

576
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,880
taking meetings with with Chris Paul. But I mean that

577
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:13,960
is a two way street. I still think in my

578
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,400
mind that things have to have been like brewing for

579
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,000
long enough. And we heard that there were like repeated

580
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,039
attempts to try and talk with Chris in his camp

581
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,039
about sort of the way that he was being perceived

582
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,799
and maybe the way that he was delivering certain information.

583
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,519
So it's it's expected, but it's still I don't know, man,

584
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:36,640
it's it's a bitter, shitty breakup.

585
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: It sucks.

586
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: It makes me dislike the current player retirement media landscape

587
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,440
more than anything. Yeah, I'm just like, dude, I would like,

588
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,599
and this is me sounding old, can you just put

589
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,799
the book out? Can you just write the Chris Paul

590
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,079
my story? You know, That's what people used to do,

591
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,000
was they would put the book out and it was

592
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,599
all in there and that it. And now we're gonna

593
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,400
have to see a bunch of podcasts where people are

594
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,599
gonna pretend like only the Clippers could have signed to

595
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,480
Chris Paul this season. And it's like, I get from

596
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,640
his standpoint, he's got a brand to protect or whatever,

597
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:19,079
but it's just like, man, it already ended.

598
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: Weird.

599
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: Both sides have admitted that we have to keep pulling

600
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:31,119
this silly putty of like dysfunction. I'm just yeah, like yeah,

601
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,319
and the Clippers can't say shit.

602
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: I keep going back to the fact that this happened

603
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,279
to begin with, and knowing that the Clippers of course

604
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:43,079
were aware they would be the ones taking the majority

605
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,720
of the pr hit. Yeah, and yet they still thought

606
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,759
it was necessary. That kind of tells you where things

607
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,200
probably were at behind the scenes. I don't think, by

608
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,839
any starch of the imagination, they wanted this to happen.

609
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,240
They wanted to have to do this. They felt like

610
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,960
they had to. You know, I'm not saying the reason

611
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440
they've had this turnaround is all because of CP three.

612
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,759
He wasn't playing right now. Some people out there who

613
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,480
thought it was evidence immediately because they kept losing that

614
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,000
CP three wasn't the problem. If you're one of those

615
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,799
people and you're being intellectually consistent, you probably have to say, well,

616
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:18,920
I guess he was the problem then, because they won,

617
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,799
you know, twenty of their next twenty seven games. I

618
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:26,039
don't think of it like that, but you know, I

619
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,599
always love CP three. I hope eventually we can, you know,

620
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:34,599
mend this wound and have that retirement ceremony and get

621
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,759
this behind us. But it's difficult right now and seeing

622
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,400
like the slow drip process like you're talking about check

623
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,039
of him going on if he continues to go on

624
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,200
different podcasts and release different information or his side and

625
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,440
it's not just a book, and it's kind of almost like, well,

626
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,039
I don't want to go there, but it's it's tough.

627
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:56,759
Speaker 5: It's a tough situation, and it's like it just feels

628
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,680
like short side, like one of these clips that's out,

629
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,720
like right before you started the episode, it was like, yeah,

630
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:03,680
he said they're still going to retire my jersey up

631
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,799
in the rafters, and it's.

632
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,839
Speaker 2: Like, of course that was never on the I'm sure

633
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:12,920
it was never on the table to not retire your jersey,

634
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,359
of course, and as they should. It should probably be

635
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,119
the first one up, Like why would that, Like yeah,

636
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,240
I just yeah.

637
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,079
Speaker 4: It's Florence Frank try to make it clear that his

638
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,119
legacy with us is intact, Like yeah, not up for

639
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,519
debate what what happened in the month and a half

640
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,960
that he was with the Clippers this season. You know,

641
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,759
that's not the one to override everything he did for

642
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:41,680
this organization, as what many would say as the franchises go.

643
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, people will all forget about it in the month

644
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:44,839
and a half.

645
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: Anyway, when the aspiration ruling comes out, all right, that

646
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,319
about it up. Gonna be doing a live hang after

647
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,400
the game on Friday night against the Lakers. Let's hope

648
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,079
that goes well. Well, where where can people review this

649
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,599
podcast if they were so inclined to.

650
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can review this podcast over on Apple Podcasts

651
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,480
or Spotify. You can, of course listen to it wherever

652
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:11,519
you get your podcasts. You can also let us know

653
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:15,239
what you think after every single episode at YouTube dot com.

654
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,480
That's at Clippers Podcast. But hey, whoever you listen wherever

655
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:21,360
you watch, you know we appreciate you.

656
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: You know we do, Adam, What is one positive thing

657
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,599
these Clippers fans can know as we head into a

658
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:29,480
couple more days.

659
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: Off, teams not quit. You can't get them to pack

660
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,039
it in on this season. They are resilient. They've had

661
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:38,719
every reason to give up starting six and twenty one,

662
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,719
having what some deem was a huge sell off at

663
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,840
the trade deadline, and I get that perspective, but they're

664
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,639
not quitting. They went three and one post trade deadline,

665
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,599
and I don't think anybody anticipated better than just two

666
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,920
and two with that road trip, and Kawhi looks amazing,

667
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:59,679
and the momentum has continued through the All Star break

668
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,320
for Ay him because we got to see him at

669
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,800
the All Star grat before him that high level. I'm

670
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,079
excited to see this team kick things back up and

671
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:11,519
I just you can rely again on this team playing

672
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:15,440
hard and the effort's going to be there, and that

673
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:18,840
always gives you a chance to win. So I'm anticipating

674
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,760
even though the schedule gets tougher, this team's not laying

675
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,760
down anytime soon.

676
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,119
Speaker 1: We got eleven days until March.

677
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,519
Speaker 4: Folks, that's when it's over.

678
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: No, no, well, I'm ready to run through a while

679
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,119
now thanks to Adam's positivity. All right, thank you for

680
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:41,800
hanging out. We'll see everybody on Friday, and as always,

681
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the clips