Speaker 1: What is going on? Slippers fans?
Speaker 2: Welcome to season four, episode twenty four of Clips in Dim.
I am Chuck Wickler. The full crew is here today.
We got Adam Ozen, William Updyke. I am back from Montana.
I'm feeling great. If you're watching us, thank you. If
you'd like to watch us, you can find us at
YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast.
Speaker 1: Guys, the All Star Game has come and gone. How
are we feeling? How? How's the weekend? I have a haggle,
no haggle that I'm interested to see Adam's take on.
Speaker 3: Adam and I nailed Kawhya's stats in the All Star
Game like to a t on the Prophets. So feeling about.
Speaker 4: That thirty one and twelve minutes we had that?
Speaker 2: I mean, it was incredible. Do you haggle, no haggle?
Is Kawhi the fifty fourth best player in the NBA?
Speaker 1: Haggle?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Bill Simmons still have a show on the Wringer Man.
Speaker 2: That's what a performance. I this isn't aside. I watched
the Dunk contest with my youngest nephew and he thought
that that guy from the Magic was dead when he
smacked his head. It was I was like, it's fine.
Thankfully he popped back up. But yeah, I feel like
this weekend went well. All Star weekend went well for
the Clippers, right, we showed off the arena, Yannick was good.
Speaker 1: Could not Kawhi.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not gonna say silence the doubters because they
will never be quiet. But couldn't have gone better and
we didn't get an as great.
Speaker 3: If you haven't been paying attention, you know, look, if
you have, I haven't been paying attention. But for whatever reason,
watched the All Star Game. This was like a great
reminder of you know, who Kawhi Leonard is and what
he's still capable of even at this age, in this
stage of his career. So I think that that is
really really cool, because yeah, when I talk to people
who don't really follow basketball at work or whatever, they're like, oh,
why he used to be good, right, And I like,
he used to, you.
Speaker 1: Fools used to.
Speaker 2: I liked what he said kind of about the injuries
and stuff, like how it takes a lot of work
for him to get to this level after all the
injuries he's had, So like the logic of him not
liking basketball or anything. Doesn't even make sense, Not that
we need to be convinced, but like, he's continued to
work his way back from pretty terrible injuries and Adam,
he continues to be a.
Speaker 1: Top three player in the league. Why what if he
cared about basketball, think I'll get.
Speaker 4: He would be And the guy stays in shape year round.
He's always super lean, He's in great shape. If for
some reason he wasn't and people were criticizing him, maybe
it would make some sense. But obviously, Kawhi puts in
the work. No one gets to this point. No one
keeps getting better through all the injuries if they're not
training at the highest level. And we've heard all the stories.
But yeah, he's one of the hardest workers in the league.
And I'm glad some people have accepted that he's still
one of the best players in the league after this
performance on All Star Weekends.
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith is not. But we don't talk about
his takes on this show.
Speaker 4: Well, he just kicks the can down the road and goes, oh,
what about in April. It's like he just played last April.
First of all, were you're paying attention to that? He's
still acting like he hasn't played in the playoff series forever.
Speaker 1: Well, he can't watch all the games, man, he's playing solitaire.
Speaker 2: Kawhi did have a funny on the nose description of
the team as currently constructed. He said, obviously right now
with the roster, we're not contenders. We got a lot
of young guys that's learning Darius to be healthy for
the second half. If he's there available for the second half,
you really need him to get going for next year.
So that's his mindset, not wrong. I don't think it's
I don't think it's unfair to say we're not contenders.
Speaker 4: Do people miss the part where Lawrence Frank said we
want to get back to being contenders post All Star
break or post All Star post trade deadline? I should say,
I mean in new people.
Speaker 3: Well, and like what do you consider to be contenders?
Like in the mix? Yeah? Sure, Like are they in
that like tier one of teams which of right now
in the West there's truly only one? Uh No, So
I you know, I think that that's I think that
that's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he didn't mean it in yeah, like it's
not that they're.
Speaker 4: Tenth in the West right now, there's still two games
in or five hundred. You can't be a contender after
after starting to six and twenty one. It's too difficult.
It's I'm sorry, this is the reality of it. You
got to look towards the future. A little bit doesn't
mean they can't give it. Give it. They're all and
see what they can do. Cool. I talked about messing
up somebody else's season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I like that quote. I can't.
Speaker 2: It was from a couple of weeks ago where it
was like, what did you learn after the trade deadline?
It was like, oh, we learned that we love to
hoop like they just they want to mess up someone
else's season, which is a fun chip on your shoulder
to have.
Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens next year in the off
season with everything. But I don't think it was crazy
at all.
Speaker 2: Yanick in the Rising Stars game, Adam, you continue to be,
in your own words, dangerously high on Yannick?
Speaker 1: Has that plateau at all?
Speaker 4: Or?
Speaker 1: Are you waiting for five three point attempts? First the
Nuggets on Thursday.
Speaker 4: I'll wait, I'll wait and see. I thought you pretty good.
He made a three pointer. He's zero three so far
in the regular season, but some of the defense was
pretty bad and on some of the dunks he had
pretty easy rim runners for Onik that was light work
in the Rising Stars competition. But I think we know
he has a pretty high ceiling given his overall skill
set that we have seen going back to Summer League,
with him handling the basketball as well as he can.
It's seven feet tall, it's it's a project, but the
ceiling is high.
Speaker 2: Do we have a thirty minute highlight video from his
college time if anyone needs to just go ahead and
ask us on Twitter. We watched it a little bit
when he got drafted, and I'm dangerously high on Yannick.
Speaker 1: I don't think will is it.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like people shouldn't be worried about Isaiah
Jackson taking his minutes. There's some people who were kind
of worried about that, but I don't know how big
of an issue.
Speaker 3: That is, no, because like it's it's still gonna be
like Yonick is still such a raw prospect that it's
largely just going to be developmental minutes. So I wouldn't worry.
Speaker 1: About that too much.
Speaker 3: We were kind of getting the fans reaction live on
stream as the Rising Stars game was happening, and I
mean it's exciting, he's exciting, but there is still there's
still like a long way to go towards figuring out
like where exactly he can like permanently slot into this rotation,
Like what that sort of looks like, you know, like
he's still sort of enigma on the court in a
way that like isn't. I mean, it's great for potential
upside in the future, but it makes it a little
bit more difficult to determine where exactly you slot into
this rotation. So in terms of like a direct threat
to his minutes, no, I wouldn't say that because I think,
you know, even going back to the Qui quote, like
we know where this franchise is at. Obviously they still
want to finish above five hundred, you know, see if
they can kind of roll the dice and maybe upset
somebody in the in the play in and possibly playoffs
depending on where they're seated. But uh, you know, development
is clearly a big focus from where we're at right now,
and Adam and I were talking about like, well, especially
not knowing where Garland is at, the ceiling for this
team is lower. I think it's fair to say the
ceiling for this team is lower than it was pre
All Star Break, pre trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, but.
Speaker 3: If you're taking the long view of things, we're like
in an infinitely better position because even you know, like
even best case scenario for that team was, you know,
get a high playing spot, maybe you can get as
high as six.
Speaker 1: You know, like.
Speaker 3: Maybe with that with if everything rolls your way with
that team, uh, you know, with with Herd, with hardened
and with Zubots. But you're still looking at like best
case scenario you you somehow battle your way out of
a first round series and and probably get wiped in
the next one. So you know, like if you're if
you're taking the long view of it, I think that
it's pretty like we're in a we sacrifice an immediate
ceiling for a longer view. So in terms of Yanick, like, no,
I don't I don't think that he's like out of
the picture. His development is now suddenly going to take
a back seat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that long view thing a lot.
Speaker 2: And the long view with Theonic specifically, is what's that
defense going to look like?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 4: The long view, I don't think the ceiling is that
much lower than where it was if they still had
to each of Zoo Boss and James Harden, provided that
Darius Garland is back sometime in the next couple of weeks. Right,
you know, in terms of if the ceiling before was
maybe you get out of a first round series, I
think it's kind of the same. I don't think it's
that much different. Like maybe if everything breaks your way,
you get out of a first round series.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like before it was maybe you get out
of a first round series, and now it's maybe you
get out of a first round series just a little
bit more.
Speaker 3: The different like the difference is the reps, right, Like
instead of having Harden and Visa zubots through another playoff loss,
which you know they have enough playoff reps, we know
what we're gonna get out of them, you know, for
better or worse, and like having younger guys in that
same sort of position, even though you know Matthroom has
been there, h Garland has obviously been there. But this
iteration of the team getting some sort of playoff reps,
I think that that's more valuable than anything that this
team could have like accomplished long view wise, in terms
of ceiling.
Speaker 4: Like, once you start six and twenty one, your ceiling's
pretty low.
Speaker 1: Nobody hits his head at that point.
Speaker 4: Outside of the ninety five rockets is one championship the
last fifty years, it wasn't a top three seed. Like
these are the numbers. I don't think that's going to
change anytime soon here.
Speaker 3: But you're saying there's a chance, So there's a.
Speaker 4: Chance they get out the first round.
Speaker 1: That first round would be fun.
Speaker 2: I would not I mean that I don't think that
will happen, But if the Clippers got out of the
first round of the playoffs, I'd be like, great, this
is whatever. That was an amazing seven games. I don't
know how we got I mean.
Speaker 3: Eighteen nineteen is still like that's like the most fun
for like one of the most fun first rounds ever.
You know that there were nail biers. There were better
ones in the in the lop City era, but that
one to me in terms of like just sheer determination. Yeah,
it's just like it's a wild so it'd be similar vibes.
Speaker 4: It's like, if you get Houston or San Antonio, I
think you'd have a shot in that series. If Kawhi
is coming in playing like this. Yeah, I think, I
don't think. I don't think the odds are that crazy.
If you get winning that series, they wouldn't be favored still,
but it wouldn't be that much different than if you
had to beat to Boston James Harden. I think if
they get to that point.
Speaker 1: I would love the Rockets in the first round, because.
Speaker 3: You're saying Harden's vintage playoff jokers. Joker Darius Garland is
more clutched in the playoffs than James Harden.
Speaker 1: Body of work wise. We've veered off into a hot
take show. So now that I'm back from montam all.
Speaker 3: Right, let's start about let's let's get it on the
goat debate.
Speaker 2: Let's start the timer every do they have their buzzers?
There was let's get on the goat debate. There was
aspiration stuff this weekend, because there has to be. It
was talked about no decision yet. Adam Silver has said
the Clippers have been cooperative, which is good. Part of
me wishes they were being kind of bitchy about the
whole thing, but I don't think that would help their case.
Did you guys watch the pabulatory episode. I'm exhausted by them.
Speaker 1: I can't, dude. I'm like, I just have better things
to do.
Speaker 3: And there's like worst thing now too, that like Adam
Silver is reportedly finding teams because of pressure that he's
getting from these gambling websites and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's all bad.
Speaker 3: I don't you know, I don't, right, it's all capacity.
The real world is bad.
Speaker 1: This is my escape. Okay. That's how I felt about
my god damn escape.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel about these episodes. I'm like, I'm
sure they're well researched. I'm not knocking the guy's research
or anything, but I'm just like, dude, I'm sorry, Like
the public opinion has already been figured out. Josephry Ward
texts me how he feels about it, and I just
kind of go off of.
Speaker 4: That as we all do. We wait for our north
Star and Joseph fry Award with these things. I did
watch it. I didn't find anything, you know, that was
that more concrete when it comes to his evidence than
what he had before or whatever. We'll see what happens.
I'm a little exhausted with the two.
Speaker 2: It's just like, and you know what's gonna happen. They're
gonna take the punishment. I don't think the Clippers are
gonna appeal anything. When the punishment comes.
Speaker 4: Out, I might, we'll see. I don't know much.
Speaker 2: Good stretch it out. Stretch it out. The lawyers would
like that. It is like the most expensive law firm
in the country.
Speaker 3: It's good for the lawyers, it's good for Pablo. Let's
get this content economy run in.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Tell we're about any other notes highs lows from the
All Star Weekend that you guys would like to share
before we move on to basketball.
Speaker 1: It's coming up in a couple of days.
Speaker 4: Wid the best moment of the weekend, I don't think
that's arguable, honestly, about thirty one points in twelve minutes.
Pointing to the wall after the game winner against kat
That was awesome. It was great to see.
Speaker 2: Shout out the wall. They booed Luco a bunch, they
represented well. Happy to have the wall. Wish the wish
it wasn't a different time. That's all I want to
say about the All Star weekend.
Speaker 4: Time it would just be later making a night thing
all prime time. Yeah. Yeah. The Olympics. The Olympics kind
of disrupted everything.
Speaker 2: But I get it, damn Olympics and put basketball in
the Winter Olympics.
Speaker 1: Two, let's have both all right, coming on? Play on
ice yet now now we're talking. Now we see who
the who the real pros are.
Speaker 4: What's your nd season tournament right here?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What if all of them just played hockey for
the end season tournament? All right?
Speaker 2: Coming up, we are discussing a back to back that
the Clippers start off with, because why not coming back
from a nice break.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to the.
Speaker 2: There's not going to be or there is going to
be a break, So there's gonna be some ads coming up.
Speaker 1: They might be loud coming up in three two one.
Speaker 3: All right, welcome back into clips and Dip. We just
talked about the exciting fanfare that was All Star weekend.
Now it's time to get into some real hoops. The Clippers,
as mentioned before the break, are taking on a back
to back, which is just a portion of a three
and four that they have coming up Thursday through Sunday.
The big part of this, though, is this Nuggets Lakers
back to back, and we kick things off against the
Nuggets on Thursday after an extended break. Charles, is this
do we finally get over the hump here against the Nuggets.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the one. I don't. I'm not.
Maybe it's weird because there's gonna you know.
Speaker 2: I guess it's a little more up in the air
because it is after the break, right, Kawhi is obviously
in a fine form and stuff like that. But last
time was absurd because Tim Hardaway Junior shots seventy from three.
So I just feels like it just feels like cosmically
we're not supposed to win this game, and I think
there's a lot of new moving pieces.
Speaker 1: I don't feel great about it. Adam your thoughts, you're
giving a look.
Speaker 4: It's still without not just Aaron Gordon, but Peyton Watson's
now out with a hamstring issue, Okay, who turned into
an absolute stud this season for them with all the
injuries going on. So they got to absorbed one more.
But they do have Christian Brown back, Jamal Murray's playing,
Yokich's back, and Cameron Johnson played their last game, so
they're down a couple of key guys still, but at
least the games and into it though the Nuggets have
never had success there.
Speaker 2: God, I try and memory wipe the last time I
watched the Nuggets play the Clippers into it Dome every
day that I wake up. Yeah, I put this in
the notes. Will other than Kawhi needing to go for
twenty eight on forty seven to fifty shooting, what are
the Clips got to do to get a dub against
this Nuggets team?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think again, like it's got to go
back to that development thing. So hopefully we see more
of the good that we saw from Matherin's debut, certainly
the passing defensively and the shot. I'm still not gonna
worry about it if it's not quite there. He's still
going to be figuring some things out, but it'd be good.
It'd be good to see that. I'm also I'm also
curious to see who done.
Speaker 1: Post All Star break.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not a guy who seems like, yeah,
like I wonder what he does with his free.
Speaker 2: Time A bit of a people were unhappy with how
he ended the not first half of the season, but
kind of going into the All Star break, people have
been kind of unhappy with him offensively. But I don't
know how high your expectations should be for Kris Dunn offensively.
Speaker 3: He's in a tough position.
Speaker 4: He's pretty good their last game, right or three pointers
the win against Houston.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see Derek Jones junior versus Nuggets team.
Speaker 1: Uh, he played.
Speaker 2: We always talk about this is the guy you want
versus the Nuggets, and he's played well recently, so, like,
I hope he can hold onto some of that momentum
now that he's back.
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see how they go about playing the
Nuggets for the first time in a long time without
it eatsa Zubats. Yeah, against Nikola Jokicic because the plan
before was kind of like, try to slow down Jokic
and make everybody else, make everybody else beat you. If
Jokics goes for fifty, typically he doesn't win those games. Now,
he did it get the Clippers earlier this season, but
he had fifty five. But before that, he was like
losing every game where he went for fifty or more.
Is it let Jokics go off and shut down the
rest of the guys? Now does the plan shift to that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I Well, offensively, it's gonna be difficult
to like, like, what does this current construction of the
Clippers look like. Defensively? For Jokic not to go off.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's like that. What they don't have of
trying to slow down Jokic anymore, Like they could try
to do that before with the beats of Zubats on him,
who statistically is the best one on one defender against
Yokis in the league. Without him, you kind of just
gotta live with whatever Jokic does, kind of like what
they do with Luka Dantic over the years. Yeah, don't
let the other guys beat you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're still don't let other guys beat territory.
Speaker 4: It's Jokic gets forty but he only has five assists.
You know, we could live with that absolutely.
Speaker 2: If the assists are below eight, I'm feeling pretty good.
That's fair, which still isn't great all things considered, because
he could have like sixty five points.
Speaker 4: But if he's holding up the one hundred like Will
Chamberlain afterwards, h things may have gone terribly wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be a bad thing right into it. Actually,
I know you said it's a good thing, but it
might be a bad thing.
Speaker 4: He does share the all time scoring record there with Kawhi.
Speaker 2: Right, I don't feel great about that, but it's a
good kind of will to your like development point. Hey,
good thing to figure out what guys look like against
the top competition, like little baptism by fire for Yannick
and some of the younger guys.
Speaker 1: But that's what you need for a team like this.
Speaker 4: I think Isaiah Jackson's gonna get some minutes against you.
We're gonna find out more about him as a Clipper.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, they'll probably run out there. Yeah said.
Speaker 4: This kind of flew out under the radar of the
last week of the last four games, the four game
road trip post All Star Break, where coach lu said
it's going to be starting center by committee something to
that effect the rest of the way. Now, Brook Lopez
has played pretty decent the last few games, I would
assume it's still kind of his spot to lose, but
doesn't seem like maybe it's a youth movement thing. Maybe
it's just want to see I wouldn't be surprised by
the end of the season if Janick was starting some.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I hate by committee for a starting spot,
but I think with this team's current makeup, it's not
a huge.
Speaker 1: Drop.
Speaker 2: It's obviously different things the guys do, but like, yeah,
I just I don't know. Will's I get nervous when
I hear the BI committee because I'm just say, it
usually just feels like it doesn't ever work.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: Uh, I think with this current iteration of the team
post trade deadline, but I'm fine with the BI committee.
Speaker 1: It gets you time, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's to open up that possibility of
later having Yannick as maybe your starter towards the end
of the season. I don't know, we'll see. It's not
like Brooks have been playing terribly as of blade.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely Lakers game the next day, we'd be
them by eight.
Speaker 2: The last time. Their defense is bad. But if you
look at the stats from last game of EATSA, Zubots
had ten offensive rebounds and the Lakers had six as
a team.
Speaker 4: Was that the Zoo eighteen and nineteen game?
Speaker 1: I think it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was kind of his turnaround spot or when
he started to play a little bit better, felt healthier.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So for the people who didn't like watching Zubots defend Luca,
this will be a great game because now we're going
to see what it looks like when the current iterational
Clippers defends Luca.
Speaker 1: I really I'm feeling I hope we get a split.
We need to win one of these games.
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised, and if we lose both
of them, I would like to lose nobly.
Speaker 3: We kind of win two out of these three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that I.
Speaker 3: Mean ideally, I guess you know, down down people, it's understandable.
But if if you're still have any any idea of contention.
Speaker 2: That's magic on Sunday, which yeah, because like, realistically, right
we split this no one like again, it's right after
the break, so it's gonna be weird.
Speaker 4: Is Luca for sure playing? Let me check because he
has had the knee issue he didn't play the last
couple of games for them, and get the All Star
break in there, which he didn't play during.
Speaker 1: But I thought Wykey said he was going to.
Speaker 4: Oh Diddy, let me look, just starluck and they're not
on the second night of a bat to back.
Speaker 1: And it's an away game for the Clippers. Kind of
you kidding me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, No, Whykey didn't really have anything, he just said
checks out after five minutes. Not sure if we'll see
him again tonight playing in the game. Was important to him.
Lakers play next on Friday, four extra days for his
hamstring heel. I would bet he plays if you played
in the complete They need it, that's a great point.
They also need it.
Speaker 4: They've had like only one hundred minutes or something that's
so far this season with him, Austin Reeves and Lebron
James actually out there. Oh wow, which is a little
bit scary. They they can't play better defense for them,
have been seventeenth the last ten games, which is actually
better for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very bad usually well, and they're like they're
only a game and a half up on the Suns
for a playing spot, so like they're not they gotta be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is their point to try to make a push,
have their big three out there healthy, and they're only
half a game behind Houston for the four spot.
Speaker 2: Difficult way to come back from the Clippers, I would say.
And we have no Garland update. Not I'm not knocking
that we don't have a Garland update. It's not super surprising,
but hopefully he gets we get disappointing. Sure, hopefully we
get a little nugget of news there soon. Are we
doing all right? Player of the back to back. There's
only one guy we can't pick. We've got a wide
open field now for player of the game.
Speaker 1: Picks.
Speaker 2: Just can't pick Kawhi because that's just it's just obvious.
Pingalore's in hell with this new roster. Will who is
your player of the back to back?
Speaker 3: I'm going I'm going b math I think that he is.
I think the is one game where the threes fall.
Speaker 1: I like that. We'll need it.
Speaker 3: And he continues to do the other stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, nice, have a good game in this back to back.
Help us against Orlando.
Speaker 2: I would love that weekend from Mathron Adam, You're player
of the back to back.
Speaker 4: That's a good call. Mathers do everything else has been
there but the shooting. But he still helped him in
that game at the free throw line, laid against Houston
before the break. He was great, made some clutch free throws.
I guess I'll go to John Collins.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 4: JC saves John Collins. Uh. He's still has looked pretty
consistent for a while now. Yeah, I'm good with taking
John Collins here. Moore has been asked of him offensively
right now, and he's been delivering, like the little mid
range stuff he's been doing with the turnaround fadeaways, showing
off more to his game. That's been exciting and fun
to watch. Oh, playing well as he has been for
a couple months.
Speaker 3: Outside of like Kawhi and JC. Like when we talk
about rotating lineups, does anyone else guarantee a starting spot,
like if they find something that works current roster. Yeah,
maybe maybe done just because of how slim the like
awaiting Garland's return, just because of how slim the guard
rotation is.
Speaker 4: But like.
Speaker 3: Outside of those two guys, I mean, it's not it's
not a setting stone as it was pre pre trade
headline Derek Jones Jr. I don't think he's guaranteed the
starting spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: I think done pretty much is until until Garland, until
Garland comes back. And Dune's making some really good passes.
Look at his assists the last few games. Here, lob
passes in at the front core. He's thrown that like
over the top pass around defenders to Kawhi Leonard on
the right block for some easy ones here and there.
He's had six assists, seven assists, six assists, five assists,
six assists. He's been having a six assists per game
basically the last seven here. Damn yeah, it might to turnovers. Hey,
that's a look good, says the turnover ratio on.
Speaker 2: The floor, says C minus in Professor Updyke's basketball Clapp.
Speaker 1: I'm going Derek Jones Junior. I think the rest is
going to do him good.
Speaker 2: I think he had a good performance to kind of
get some momentum on and again we're gonna need him
to be if we whichever these two games we split.
Hopefully he's gonna have to come up big on both
ends too because we need him for his defense. Finally,
CP three is now making the media rounds post retirement.
He just came out with a clip talking about how
he was texting with Kawhi and like talking and kind
of detailed some of the stuff that him and Lawrence
Frank talked about. Apparently Lawrence Frank would not give him
a meeting with ty lu do your thing, Chris Paul,
I don't.
Speaker 1: It's just a weird ending.
Speaker 3: We already I don't know, we already heard some of
this stuff, and like you know, I was like a
little appalled at first to hear that, like Tyler wasn't
taking meetings with with Chris Paul. But I mean that
is a two way street. I still think in my
mind that things have to have been like brewing for
long enough. And we heard that there were like repeated
attempts to try and talk with Chris in his camp
about sort of the way that he was being perceived
and maybe the way that he was delivering certain information.
So it's it's expected, but it's still I don't know, man,
it's it's a bitter, shitty breakup.
Speaker 1: It sucks.
Speaker 2: It makes me dislike the current player retirement media landscape
more than anything. Yeah, I'm just like, dude, I would like,
and this is me sounding old, can you just put
the book out? Can you just write the Chris Paul
my story? You know, That's what people used to do,
was they would put the book out and it was
all in there and that it. And now we're gonna
have to see a bunch of podcasts where people are
gonna pretend like only the Clippers could have signed to
Chris Paul this season. And it's like, I get from
his standpoint, he's got a brand to protect or whatever,
but it's just like, man, it already ended.
Speaker 4: Weird.
Speaker 2: Both sides have admitted that we have to keep pulling
this silly putty of like dysfunction. I'm just yeah, like yeah,
and the Clippers can't say shit.
Speaker 4: I keep going back to the fact that this happened
to begin with, and knowing that the Clippers of course
were aware they would be the ones taking the majority
of the pr hit. Yeah, and yet they still thought
it was necessary. That kind of tells you where things
probably were at behind the scenes. I don't think, by
any starch of the imagination, they wanted this to happen.
They wanted to have to do this. They felt like
they had to. You know, I'm not saying the reason
they've had this turnaround is all because of CP three.
He wasn't playing right now. Some people out there who
thought it was evidence immediately because they kept losing that
CP three wasn't the problem. If you're one of those
people and you're being intellectually consistent, you probably have to say, well,
I guess he was the problem then, because they won,
you know, twenty of their next twenty seven games. I
don't think of it like that, but you know, I
always love CP three. I hope eventually we can, you know,
mend this wound and have that retirement ceremony and get
this behind us. But it's difficult right now and seeing
like the slow drip process like you're talking about check
of him going on if he continues to go on
different podcasts and release different information or his side and
it's not just a book, and it's kind of almost like, well,
I don't want to go there, but it's it's tough.
Speaker 5: It's a tough situation, and it's like it just feels
like short side, like one of these clips that's out,
like right before you started the episode, it was like, yeah,
he said they're still going to retire my jersey up
in the rafters, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, of course that was never on the I'm sure
it was never on the table to not retire your jersey,
of course, and as they should. It should probably be
the first one up, Like why would that, Like yeah,
I just yeah.
Speaker 4: It's Florence Frank try to make it clear that his
legacy with us is intact, Like yeah, not up for
debate what what happened in the month and a half
that he was with the Clippers this season. You know,
that's not the one to override everything he did for
this organization, as what many would say as the franchises go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people will all forget about it in the month
and a half.
Speaker 2: Anyway, when the aspiration ruling comes out, all right, that
about it up. Gonna be doing a live hang after
the game on Friday night against the Lakers. Let's hope
that goes well. Well, where where can people review this
podcast if they were so inclined to.
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Speaker 2: You know we do, Adam, What is one positive thing
these Clippers fans can know as we head into a
couple more days.
Speaker 4: Off, teams not quit. You can't get them to pack
it in on this season. They are resilient. They've had
every reason to give up starting six and twenty one,
having what some deem was a huge sell off at
the trade deadline, and I get that perspective, but they're
not quitting. They went three and one post trade deadline,
and I don't think anybody anticipated better than just two
and two with that road trip, and Kawhi looks amazing,
and the momentum has continued through the All Star break
for Ay him because we got to see him at
the All Star grat before him that high level. I'm
excited to see this team kick things back up and
I just you can rely again on this team playing
hard and the effort's going to be there, and that
always gives you a chance to win. So I'm anticipating
even though the schedule gets tougher, this team's not laying
down anytime soon.
Speaker 1: We got eleven days until March.
Speaker 4: Folks, that's when it's over.
Speaker 2: No, no, well, I'm ready to run through a while
now thanks to Adam's positivity. All right, thank you for
hanging out. We'll see everybody on Friday, and as always,
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