WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.480 All right, gents, this is another compilation. The one that 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:06.480 I did with with m Flaura talking about the three 3 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:10.359 body problem was well reviewed. But this is a collection 4 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:13.960 of all my interviews with ze Man, who is no 5 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:18.960 doubt reminding you, unfortunately passed earlier this year. This is 6 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:23.800 coinciding with sort of retrospective sorry, my cast Attacking the 7 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.559 Blinds that I did on Pete quinonas his show with 8 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.280 Carl Doll. That will be out soon, so be sure 9 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:31.679 to check that out and hear, you know, my thoughts 10 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.920 on him sort of more at length. But nonetheless, let's 11 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:38.640 get into it and go over every time I've spoken 12 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.759 to ze Man. All right, ze Man, welcome to the 13 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:42.439 Jay Burden Show. 14 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:46.000 How are you doing good? Thanks for having me so. 15 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.920 I've been listening to your podcast for quite a while now. 16 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.240 But for maybe some of my audience who aren't familiar 17 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:53.719 with you, what do you do on the internet? 18 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:59.240 Well about let's see twenty thirteen, I started my site, 19 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:03.280 the z man dot and it was largely an accident. 20 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:06.920 I used to haunt the comment sections of various websites 21 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:09.640 and just for my own entertainment, I wasn't you know, 22 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:11.959 I kind of dropped out of politics any serious way. 23 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:14.879 I just looked at politics as entertainment and I used 24 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.519 to like, I used to really like picking on the 25 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:18.519 National Review writers, so. 26 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:19.120 I would do that. 27 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:22.200 And one of their moderators actually said that, you know, 28 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:25.920 my comments get more attention than the articles I'm commenting on. 29 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:28.319 And I didn't notice that. That I would comment something, 30 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.319 I'd have one hundred replies. He said, you should. You 31 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.200 should think about doing your own stuff, you know, start 32 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.640 a blog or something. And I thought maybe that could 33 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:37.760 be fun. So I had I owned the domain name 34 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:39.920 the Zman dot com from the nineteen nineties. 35 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:41.280 I registered as a joke. 36 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:44.640 Back then, when you got online, you were assigned a 37 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.760 user ID, and I was always the ZMN some combination 38 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.799 of the ZMAI. So when they when you could buy domains, 39 00:01:50.840 --> 00:01:53.400 I bought the domain just as a gag. I set 40 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:55.560 up an email addressing and I you know, hung on 41 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.879 to it, and I figured. 42 00:01:58.599 --> 00:01:59.959 Well, you know, I'll use the dome. 43 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.640 I have a server, I'll set up a WordPress site audit, 44 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:04.719 so I'll put this all together and then it doesn't 45 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:06.640 cost me anything. And if I don't, you know, I 46 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:08.199 get tired of it, out this upbandon it and if 47 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:09.719 I like it, then I'll I'll come up with some 48 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:13.599 clever marketing. Well, you know, one thing led to another 49 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:15.319 and I didn't do that, but and it turned out 50 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:17.560 to be actually pretty good idea. It's going to a 51 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:21.840 weird brand, but it works. And so I was just 52 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.039 doing sort of the old blogging types of you copy 53 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:25.560 and paste and all that. And I started writing these 54 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:28.360 short essays just because I was bored and I thought 55 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:30.479 it would be fun to do. And I started getting 56 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.560 an audience, and I started getting a bigger audience, and 57 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.000 interesting people started turning up, like college professors turn up 58 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:40.199 in my comment section and or send me emails. And 59 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.120 I started getting serious about it. And then I went 60 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.360 to a real world event and all these people were 61 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:48.439 coming up to me saying, oh, man, I love your site. 62 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:50.800 You know these essays on this really? I mean, it 63 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.199 was shocking to me that I had an audience and 64 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:56.000 an audience willing to show up and meet me in public. 65 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.479 So I decided to get serious about it. And the 66 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:04.080 post that was a total accident as well. Some Canadian 67 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:06.479 radio guy was a reader and he wanted to interview me, 68 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:08.800 and I told him, look, I'd never done any internet 69 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:10.879 audio and he says, I'll show you all the tricks, 70 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:12.680 and you know that that'll be I'll give you that, 71 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:14.599 and you give me a couple hours of your time. 72 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:19.400 So I said sure. And when it went up, people said, wow, 73 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.960 you've got a great voice for podcasting, which I never 74 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.199 I didn't know there was such a thing. And it 75 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.840 was the joke was I had a radio voice or 76 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.520 NPR voice. That's what people said. I sound like somebody 77 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:33.400 who should be on MPR. And people said you should 78 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:36.680 do your own podcasts. So I started fooling around with it. 79 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:37.800 You know, if you've been back and listened to the 80 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.639 early stuff, it's not very good, and you know, but 81 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:42.719 you try, you know, you try different things, and that 82 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.120 finally I kind of settled on this format that I 83 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.599 have and it's fun. It's kind of a weird thing 84 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.800 to do in that, you know, you sit down for 85 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:51.800 an hour and a half or so and record by yourself, 86 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.080 but you get used to it and I enjoy it, 87 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:56.919 you know, I have fun with it, and I've got 88 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:58.960 quite a listenership. It's hard to note what kind of 89 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.599 listenership you have because there's the metrics are all crappy, 90 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.680 but my readership I got about every month, I get 91 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:10.400 about three hundred thousand unique readers, so but the listenership 92 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.280 is probably something like that. And you know, so it's 93 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:15.719 become it's been a nice thing. It's become a thing 94 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:17.879 that I do, and it's a part of who I am. 95 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.560 And I think the enjoyable part is is that is 96 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.800 finding out that there are lots and lots of people 97 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:28.680 who have similar concerns, a similar outlook, and I think 98 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:32.800 a similar commitment to try and avoid our society going 99 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:34.879 over the cliff. You know, we don't know what to do, 100 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:36.720 but we do know something has to be done, and 101 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.040 that's encouraging. You know, it's a bit of a white pilm. 102 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.879 And I think that that's what I've what I've admired 103 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:46.680 in your work is two things. One you've mentioned that 104 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.160 you've been You've been around, You've been on the internet 105 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:53.279 for a while, so it adds perspective like, look, I'm 106 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.319 a younger guy. I'm in my early twenties. You know, 107 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.480 the majority of my audience is similarly you know, gen 108 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.319 Z and millennials, and so having someone who has had 109 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.839 the type of opinions that you and I had excuse 110 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:08.120 me or long enough to kind of see the patterns. 111 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:10.279 You know, I was talking with my wife about this. 112 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.079 You know, when you when you sort of see a 113 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.199 storyline or rerun, you know, like, oh, wait a minute, 114 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.360 I've seen the you know, the conservative Supreme Court judge, 115 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.560 you know, going up to get questioned in front of Congress. 116 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.800 I've seen that story run before. It was not surprising 117 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:28.600 to me. And once you get outside of that stream, 118 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:30.600 you know, you sort of gain a little bit of 119 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.600 perspective one. And you know, so listening to someone who 120 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.040 has been around for a while is sort of invaluable. 121 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.959 And one of the things that you mentioned in an 122 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:43.600 episode of your show I quite liked called about robots 123 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:46.600 and retards, not that I listened to, But a particular 124 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:51.439 favorite is that you talk about the changing corporate culture 125 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.279 in America. So, you know, you hear a lot of 126 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:57.120 our guys talking about the competency crisis. Right, we can 127 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.879 no longer produce good people and stick them into jobs 128 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:04.720 where they're useful and look like, I've never had a 129 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.600 normal office job, right, even now, my nine to five 130 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:12.000 is not a traditional job. But nonetheless, talking to people 131 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:13.560 who are even just a little bit older than me, 132 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:17.399 it's very clear that that system has has broken down. 133 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.759 So what was the inciting incident for your kind of 134 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:24.240 conversation about competency and IQ decline. 135 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.800 Yeah, I mean, I've probably the first time I wrote 136 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:32.680 about this. I'm going to take some credit for the 137 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.240 crisis of competence the phrase. I think I may be 138 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.000 in the first person to use it, or one of 139 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.720 the first, and it was probably about ten years ago. 140 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:41.759 But you know, I do a lot in my day 141 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.879 job with all sorts of things. I work with a 142 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:46.680 lot of complex systems. I do a lot of math 143 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.959 for a living, and I work with complex systems, computer systems, 144 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:54.720 human systems, manufacturing systems. I've done a lot of work 145 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:59.439 with global trade, currency exchanges. You know, this is all stuff. 146 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:01.439 It's not hard, it's just complicated. 147 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:02.079 You know. 148 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.600 I've done work for the government with complex systems where 149 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:09.800 I mean, you know, for example, you know, there's different 150 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.360 agencies in the government that issue grants, but there's a 151 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.360 process in which the grants are issued and they're monitored 152 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.000 and so forth, and they become almost byzantine. 153 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:18.720 You know. 154 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:22.000 I've worked on software projects to try and automate these things, 155 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.079 you know, and this is hard stuff in that it's 156 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.199 very complicated as lots of things, and when you do 157 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.160 that kind of work, you tend to be working with 158 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.040 the ten percent of the organization. You know that the 159 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.839 top part that the right side of the bell curve. 160 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:39.000 And over my lifetime and I'm in my fifties, so 161 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.600 last thirty years of working, I went from being in 162 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:45.680 an environment where I was always unsure if I was 163 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:50.120 good enough, to being in environments often where I'm I'm 164 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:52.920 unsure if the people in the room with me are 165 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.879 going to hold me back from completing the task. You know, 166 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.279 It's it's not that I've become a genius. It's because 167 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:02.639 it's just all the smart old guys are gone, and 168 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:05.279 what's replaced them is not smart old guys or smart 169 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:08.040 young guys. It's oftentimes people are in these positions for 170 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.879 reasons that have nothing to do with the position, and 171 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:13.360 you see it all over the place. But at the 172 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.600 same time, I've done a lot of work in the 173 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:20.199 dreaded private sector with automation, and what the unwritten truth 174 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:25.480 of automation is that we no longer have enough smart 175 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:29.040 people to manage the you know, the smart fraction is shrinking. 176 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:31.560 So if we can automate if we think we think 177 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:34.440 the thought is if we can automate that smart fraction, 178 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:39.600 augment it with software intelligence, we can overcome its People 179 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.440 don't say it that way, but that's it's pretty much 180 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.039 what's happening. But it can't be done that way because 181 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:47.480 first of all, we don't have this the you know, 182 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:52.679 AI is nothing like it's advertised, and our software intelligence 183 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:55.039 can only enforce rules. That's that's really what it can do. 184 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.279 So really what we're ending up with is a metastasizing 185 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.960 set of rules to control a population that probably is 186 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.279 not bright enough to be in the positions that we 187 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.039 need in order to keep this very sophisticated machine of 188 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.320 Western civilization running. And it's hard to see how it works, 189 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.559 you know, I think, you know, I've made the comparison 190 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.799 that imagine a spaceship land somewhere and I don't know 191 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.360 New Mexico, for example, and we get a hold of 192 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:25.600 it and we try to figure it out. Well, this 193 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.320 thing that's able to travel the stars is beyond that. 194 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:32.200 People who made it have knowledge that we don't know exists. 195 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:34.639 They know things that we don't know. You can know, 196 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.559 That's how the gap is. We would never be able 197 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:39.279 to unriddle it. We could, we wouldn't even know where 198 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.559 to start. And that's increasingly what's happening. We're replacing people 199 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:47.120 who made the tools that they use, you know, the 200 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:51.360 baby boomer generation, we're replacing them with people who take 201 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.000 the tools for granted, don't really understand how the tools work, 202 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.320 and really probably would never be able to understand how 203 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.960 the tools work. And at some point the wheels are 204 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:01.519 going to come off the cart important ways, and if 205 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:03.240 it's not without precedent, and you know, there was a 206 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.559 lot of knowledge lost with the collapse of Rome. You know, 207 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:10.120 there's knowledge that the Greeks had we lost, it's still lost. 208 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:10.600 You know. 209 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:13.600 Greek fire is a great example, and that may be 210 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:15.919 what we're facing now, although it could be much more 211 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.080 catastrophic because you know, you look at population numbers, the 212 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.759 collapse of the Roman Empire. You know, what was there 213 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:24.399 fifty million people in Europe at. 214 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:25.480 The time or something like that. 215 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.799 You know, when you're talking about civilizations with billions of people, 216 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.480 and it might be a little bit worse, but I think, 217 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:34.679 you know, it's it's not a thing that can be addressed, 218 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:36.480 it's just a thing that can be planned for and 219 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.519 I think you know there's no fixing the decline in IQ. 220 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.279 And I think you know, I think you interviewed Ed Dutton, right, 221 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:47.399 Yes I have, Yeah, yeah, I know Ed and some 222 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:50.120 good d stories. But do we He's he's a he's 223 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:54.679 a very funny guy. But you know he's written about 224 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:57.679 this quite a bit his book At Our Wits End. 225 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:01.120 It's I mean, it's it's truthfuls I actually it's empirically correct, 226 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.360 but it's very depressing. There's really nothing that can be 227 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:07.399 done to arrest this decline in IQ, and most likely 228 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.320 what nature will do is prune the human population considerably, 229 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:17.559 leaving the smart fraction or growing the smart fraction relatively speaking. 230 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:20.879 I mean, that's not good news, but that's probably what 231 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.320 will happen, because you know, there's an answer, unless, of course, 232 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.279 we have some incredible breakthrough technologically that essentially allows us 233 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:32.240 to create a robot overlord to keep control of us. 234 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:33.360 But I don't see that happening. 235 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.759 So one quick thing just to go it about Dunton. 236 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:40.919 You know they they say, right, you need to be 237 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.159 at least within one standard deviation of like you of 238 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:46.879 someone to have a conversation, and I know that Dunton 239 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:51.600 is incredibly incredibly intelligent, because I felt like a child 240 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.080 talking to an adult. You know, I was just on 241 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.840 the cusp, like just on the cust and so you know, I'm, 242 00:11:58.000 --> 00:11:59.919 you know, not exactly a genius, but I'm a relative 243 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.240 right guy, And I'm like, Okay, Jutton is a real deal, 244 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.399 like incredibly intelligent guy. It was. He's very patient with me. 245 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:09.120 But one of the things that I want to. 246 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.399 And one of me at once, thinks that people like 247 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.720 me should be exterminated because of an outlier. You know, 248 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:16.639 I come from the underclass, and yet you know, I 249 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.879 don't have any of the underclass attributes, so he thinks 250 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.399 that kind of screws up the model. So I should 251 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:23.559 be stuffed out and. 252 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.519 Just eliminated outlier to make the statistics nicer. 253 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:29.159 Right, Yeah, exactly. It makes for a much more smoother curve. 254 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.679 But one of the things that that I brought up 255 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.120 talking to Ed, and this this dovetails nicely with what 256 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:40.879 you're talking about, is this idea of a bottleneck. Right. 257 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:43.159 And a friend of mine, black Horse, has this idea 258 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:48.519 of modernity as this phenetic bottleneck, and he kind of 259 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.799 draws an analogy to the black debt in Europe, where 260 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:55.519 roughly thirty to forty percent of all bloodlines ceased to exist. 261 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.519 It was sort of a checkpoint for your and your 262 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.559 physical immune system. And sort of his thesis is that 263 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.120 what we're seeing now is you're being tested for your 264 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:08.360 resilience to a mental virus, right, a mental virus that 265 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:11.759 basically tells you to you know, to produce no offspring, 266 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:15.799 to castrate you know what offspring you may have, and 267 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.840 to let you know an infinite number of foreigners inside 268 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.639 the gates of your society. And essentially the test is 269 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.679 not falling for them, right being able to sort of 270 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:28.759 resist that. And I think there's there's something to that, 271 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.879 right that that effectively and and bloggers like spandrel have 272 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.200 written about the i Q shutter. One of the truly 273 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.120 awful things about this this situation is that we are 274 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.919 taking what you know, that kind of smart fraction right 275 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:45.039 that top you know, x percent of the social pyramid, 276 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:47.960 and putting them in a situation where it is it 277 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.679 is low class, right, it is socially disadvantageous to reproduce, 278 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.799 to have children, to do anything other than kind of 279 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:00.720 throw yourself into this preceide hierarchy and particularly for women. 280 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:01.440 Right. 281 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:04.200 I have a friend of mine who's multi generational Harvard, 282 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:08.399 incredibly intelligent guy, and I was talking with him and 283 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.200 he's in his if I had to guess late forties 284 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.480 to early fifties, and he said that the TFR of 285 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:16.679 his graduating class was zero point six. 286 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:19.639 And now that's right, yeah. 287 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:21.919 And that shows that this rot is not new, right, 288 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.759 This didn't just happen in twenty thirteen. Right, this is 289 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:26.919 a problem that's been going on for a while. And 290 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:28.960 so when you talk about kind of returning to the me, 291 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:32.039 I think that that's something I see as well in 292 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:35.120 the future, right, that we have sort of lost the 293 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:38.759 we have lost the ability to support the nice things 294 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.639 about our society, and so they will go away. 295 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:46.360 Yeah, I mean the selection pressure on a selection versure 296 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:49.679 against reproducing. I felt it when I came along in 297 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:54.120 the nineteen eighties, so that's forty, well forty five years ago, now, 298 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:54.600 something like that. 299 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:55.279 Forty years ago. 300 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.480 And you know, I was lucky in a way and 301 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:00.200 that I got kind of plucked out of the out 302 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.639 of the slums too. I went to a nice private 303 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.960 schools and you know, I mean I got in, you know, 304 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:07.919 for test scores. It was one of those things. I 305 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:10.240 don't even know if they still do this now, but 306 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.639 when I was a young guy, they used to experiment 307 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:16.320 like crazy on public school children with IQ and we 308 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:18.480 got tested every year. We took all kinds of tests, 309 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:21.480 and I used to get in trouble because I would 310 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:24.720 score outside the you know, the range that was considered normal. 311 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.440 And I want to really my interested in IQ tests 312 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.000 started out of my youth. I got curious about these 313 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.639 tests because you know, they would change them up and 314 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.080 you could tell that one we're aiming at verbal intelligence, 315 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:40.919 verbal dexterity, reasoning and stuff, and anyway, talk about that 316 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.440 unto the time. But you know, we used to do 317 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:46.919 this all the time, and that's pretty much how I 318 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:49.879 wound up getting an opportunity to go to nice private 319 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.639 schools because people noticed that, hey, this guy's got something 320 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:54.279 on the ball. He's not going to be a criminal 321 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:56.919 like everybody else in his family. So you know, we 322 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:58.840 emoke something out of them. And it used to be 323 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.159 there was a point of price in our society to 324 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.720 try and do that. You know, colleges, elite colleges used 325 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.600 to look for people in the lower classes or you 326 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:09.159 know that had something on the ball that could be 327 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:10.960 made of something. It doesn't work that way anymore because 328 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.600 the selection pressures have changed. But even when I was 329 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:17.600 coming along, all of us as young people got lectures about, oh, 330 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:19.600 you don't want to get married and have children too soon. 331 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:21.840 You want to build a career, you want to have adventures, 332 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.879 you want to go see life. And my generation, you know, 333 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:27.559 the fertility rate was very low. Most of my friends 334 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.679 did not have children. So, you know, probably about forty 335 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.960 percent wound up having kids, and you know, normally it 336 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:34.799 would be sixty percent, you know, because it's about forty 337 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.399 percent of males don't usually don't reproduce, but or at 338 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.960 least they don't know they reproduced, you know, But now 339 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.480 it's probably much higher, like for your generation zoomers. I mean, 340 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:47.360 it's it's a I mean, that's that's a I had 341 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:49.639 a conversation with someone last night about that. You guys 342 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:52.639 have have been raised up and born in a way 343 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:54.720 that is very unique and it's going to have very 344 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:58.440 strange consequences. But but yeah, I mean, getting back to 345 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:00.000 your point is that this has been a you know, 346 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:04.559 the pressure against having you know, traditional families and traditional 347 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:06.519 life has been strong for a long time, and it 348 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.119 has had an impact. You know, you get the things 349 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.359 that you select for, and somehow are there we we 350 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.559 created cultural forces that select against the things that are 351 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.799 necessary to maintain the culture. You know, we've become panda bear. 352 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.759 So I've used that example, the pande bear. You know, 353 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.680 we are we're getting to the point where we may 354 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.079 not brea as you know, survive as a species without 355 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:25.880 external help. 356 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:28.599 And and it's because. 357 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.000 It's not just it's not just getting married. I mean, 358 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.759 sperm counts have collapsed, testosterone levels of collapsed. I mean, 359 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.519 this is a very are there's other stuff going on here, 360 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.559 you know, it's more than just cultural pressures. I think 361 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:42.720 there might be some environmental issues involved. 362 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:43.559 You know. 363 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.279 One of the things that I've noticed I ran into 364 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.359 a study I was doing some government work. I ran 365 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:52.799 into the study about mental palsal women coming down with 366 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.599 all kinds of strange allergies. And it's a phenomena that's 367 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:58.960 apparently been going on and it became a big issue 368 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.440 during COVID because a lot of these women who were 369 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:06.799 fifties sixties had horrible reactions to the COVID vaccines. And 370 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:09.440 there's a one school of thought that says that you 371 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:11.880 know this, the baby Boom generation is really the first 372 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.079 generation to be raised on processed foods loaded with lots 373 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.400 of chemicals that we think are safe, but no one's 374 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:21.240 ever studied the long term consequences. Well, that could be 375 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:22.720 true of a lot of things. There might be lots 376 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:25.680 of things in our life that have deleterious effects on 377 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:29.039 us as a species that they're tested safe in the 378 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:32.319 short term, don't kill you, but maybe you shouldn't consume 379 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:34.720 them for forty years of your life, or maybe you 380 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:37.039 shouldn't you know, grow up on them. You know, it 381 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.119 has an impact. So I there's a lot of different 382 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:41.319 things going on here, but I think the bottleneck idea, 383 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:46.079 it's not without precedent. Jewish IQ is probably the result 384 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:49.519 of a bottleneck because you think about it, when come 385 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.559 to black death, it killed stupid people more than it 386 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.720 killed smart people. And people recognize us at the time 387 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.640 they saw it at the time, they saw that it 388 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:02.160 couldn't understand germ theory anything else, but they knew that 389 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.319 the you know, that the poor suffered more than the rich, 390 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.680 and you know, and there's you know, probably true in 391 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.880 COVID as well. You know, smart people probably had fewer 392 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.759 problems with COVID than dumb people. And you know, because 393 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.440 there's a high correlation between intelligence and health health comes, 394 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.519 and this is probably why I Skenazi IQ was high 395 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.039 because there was a serious bottleneck you know this from genetics, 396 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:28.039 and so it left this this founder popular reformed the 397 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:32.279 founder population around high IQ people and so in breeding, 398 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:35.440 you know, leads to an high IQ population. And maybe 399 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.359 the same thing will happen to European people, you know, 400 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.319 although you know Asian fertility is collapsed as well, so 401 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:43.079 you know, it's not just the European people problem. I 402 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:46.480 mean even like East African populations are starting to decline. 403 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.039 So you know, maybe it maybe we're in a great 404 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.079 We realize that maybe Mother Nature is preparing a great 405 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.319 reset for humanity. You know, you decided, She's decided we've 406 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.319 gone down a dead end and we need to have 407 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:58.119 a course correction. 408 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.079 It's interesting you bring up that idea of a great 409 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:08.160 reset because earlier you mentioned AI and I remember an 410 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:11.079 article I read in the Atlantic during a brief period 411 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:12.880 in my teen years where I was trying to be 412 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:16.759 fair to liberals before I just learned to despise them 413 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:21.920 and it presented AI, and this was well before kind 414 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:26.000 of consumer AI quote unquote products like Dolly and you 415 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.440 know the other lllms as this sort of like you know, 416 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:35.119 silver Bullet, to solve all of the contradictions of America, right, 417 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:38.960 to essentially manage out of existence, the conflict between the 418 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.720 welfare state, the warfare state, all of these things that 419 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.480 were causing problems. The idea is, you know, we can't 420 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.039 see a way out of this problem, but AI will. 421 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.960 And I think that that's been interesting to watch because 422 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:57.799 you know, there's a there's there's a section of our people, right, 423 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:00.359 people interested in kind of fringe right when I is, 424 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.440 who are absolutely convinced that Cloud Schwab and the WEF 425 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:07.279 rules the world. I am not one of those people 426 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.279 because to me, I look at the WEF and a 427 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.920 lot of the coverage around AI is the same thing, 428 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:18.119 which is basically selling a dream to the ruling class, 429 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:21.960 and that dream is even though you can't find a problem, 430 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:25.200 you can't find a solution to the problem. Rather, you'll 431 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:29.039 you'll be able to use technology, use these tools to 432 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:32.400 stay on top forever, to get exactly what you want. 433 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:35.839 And to me, you know, you brought up that you know, 434 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:38.799 the bridge collapse, and to me that that smacks of 435 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.400 being a pure accident. But nonetheless, right when I went 436 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.160 to fly out to hang out with a group of 437 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:48.000 friends a few weeks back, my plane the window and 438 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.279 my plane fell out. They had to get a new plane. 439 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:53.160 You know, Boeing has had a series of these, and 440 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.680 you know that their technical ability, you know, and maybe 441 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:58.680 we can say it's due to cultural changes drop an 442 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:02.079 iq IS has collapsed, and so they're at the head 443 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:05.119 of a machine they almost certainly don't understand anymore. They 444 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.759 cannot solve the problems. They're sort of inherent to it, 445 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.759 and they're sort of casting around for any solution. And 446 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.200 AI or you know, the wef IS seems to be 447 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:18.559 a you know, something that people want to solve their problems, 448 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:20.200 even if it doesn't seem to actually do that. 449 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.440 Yeah, when I when I was a kid, I think 450 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.400 I mentioned before we got on went Live that I 451 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:28.440 worked for Congressman when I was a teenager. It was, 452 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:31.519 you know, just one of those run Errande jobs, and 453 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:33.599 I got to meet a lot of interesting people as 454 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:34.400 a result of it. 455 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:36.680 I met young Joe Biden and. 456 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:43.119 Once some guy I forget it was a congressman from somewhere. 457 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.599 There was some event that I had to help organize, 458 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:47.279 you know, put the chairs out and all that stuff, 459 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:48.960 and and this guy like to drink a lot. 460 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:50.680 And I learned how to make drinks. 461 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:52.119 It was one of the other things I did at 462 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:54.519 parties I made I may learn how to mix drinks 463 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:58.559 for all these alcoholics in the political class. But anyway, 464 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.240 I the guy, he had a few drinks in them, 465 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:02.759 I guess, and he said, you know, let me tell 466 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:04.720 you something. There's a lot of money to be made 467 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:06.880 in telling people what they want to hear. And there 468 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.359 was somebody was given a speech at the time, and 469 00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:11.880 I thought, you know what, that's that's true people. I mean, 470 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:13.559 people will throw money at you if you tell them 471 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.799 what they want to hear. And that's what the WEF does. 472 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.359 It tells all these rich people and all their attendants 473 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.519 and their flunkies and doorholders, all these wannabes what they 474 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.880 want to hear. You're the masters of the universe. You 475 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.440 guys are really in charge. I mean, it's a great hustle. 476 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:28.960 Gloss Schwab has gotten very rich off of it, and 477 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:30.839 a lot of other people have, but that's all it 478 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:35.960 is just ussle. It's it's burning Man for you know, 479 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:37.839 for rich people, you know, I mean it's really what 480 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:40.160 it is, you know. Or south By Southwest, that's another 481 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:42.440 one of these hustles or Ted talks, you know, it's 482 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:43.119 all a hustle. 483 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:45.640 But AI. 484 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.839 The problem with AI is this is that we don't 485 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.920 intelligence is a subset of consciousness, and we don't have 486 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:56.920 a material explanation for consciousness. We're not even close. We're 487 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.119 not even really sure where to start. And there's a 488 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.400 a subset within theoretical physics that thinks that it's entirely 489 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:06.880 possible that what we think of as consciousness is a 490 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:12.480 sort of evolutionary mass delusion, and that is our consciousness, 491 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:16.200 our understanding of space time is actually an interface for 492 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:20.480 a reality that lies behind it that's more complex, or 493 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:25.000 maybe less complex. And what this interface does is it 494 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:32.319 allows us to navigate our world through reality in such 495 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:36.599 a way that promotes reproduction, promotes fitness. And there's a 496 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:39.559 guy named Hoffman who's his book, I forget the name 497 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.880 of his book, but he actually he worked with a 498 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.119 couple of guys on this product project, and what they 499 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:53.279 figured out is that fitness trumps everything. Words, a delusion, 500 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:57.319 a lie, a thing that is at odds with reality. 501 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.039 If it's promotes fitness, makes us, it helps our genes 502 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.680 get to the next round, it will be superior than 503 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:08.759 the truth. So fitness beats truth. And and what that 504 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.880 means is that it's entirely possible that our sense of 505 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:14.519 consciousness or what we think of as space time, you know, 506 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.960 the world around us, is in fact a shared delusion. 507 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.759 It's not real, and that there is some reality behind it. Now, 508 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:23.319 the reason I bring this up is that we don't 509 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.279 know one percent of what we need to know about 510 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:28.880 you and consciousness. So therefore the ability for us to 511 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.160 create artificial intelligence is zero. 512 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:32.079 We can't do it. 513 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:33.880 There's no way we can do it because we wouldn't 514 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:35.640 know what it was even if we did create it. 515 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:38.759 And that's what this whole AI, that's the whole problem 516 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.319 with it. It's really just a trick. Really, it's a 517 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.759 great language model that allows humans to kind of feel 518 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.559 like they're dealing with something that has a consciousness. That's 519 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:51.079 really all it is. It's a parlor trick. And if 520 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:52.559 you really when you look at AI, you want to 521 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.519 think about it. It's a really good search engine because 522 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.119 It understands what you're looking for, not what you asked for. 523 00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.279 That's the difference. You know, you go into chat GPT 524 00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:05.319 type something and it intuitively figures out what you really want, 525 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.640 not what you actually typed. That's it. That's the difference 526 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.599 between it and Google. And it's not going to solve anything. 527 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.240 It's just it's a faster search engine, and it's not 528 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:16.559 you know, I've tested it a lout a lot on 529 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.279 different programming languages. I know probably a dozen programming languages, 530 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.920 and so I've tested chat GPT with you know, questions 531 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.799 that we come up. It probably gets it right sixty 532 00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:28.720 percent of the time. So it's really not that good. 533 00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.599 But it's good for a person who's not like me 534 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:34.240 trying to push its limits. It's good for people asking 535 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.160 general questions. So in that regard it might be useful, 536 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:42.279 but it's not. We are long long away from the 537 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.759 robots taking over an enslaving mankind. You know, years ago 538 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:47.000 I wrote a post and said, you know, if you 539 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.599 think about it, if we actually manue know, accidentally created 540 00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:52.839 an artificial intelligence, the first thing it's going to do 541 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.200 is get the hell away from us. It's not going 542 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.799 to stick around enslave us is going to go and 543 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.440 explore the universe. So at that moment we created our 544 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.720 artificial intelligence, it's going to leave us and we won't 545 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:03.519 even know it existed. 546 00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:09.319 I think that there's something else to this, to this story, right, 547 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:13.839 which is so much of the debate around AI has 548 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:19.000 essentially been about AI censorship, and effectively what we see 549 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.839 is that the regime cannot allow you know, an uncensored 550 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.319 LLM to get to be at least publicly available. Right 551 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.000 was it was it Google Gemini, the one that got 552 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.079 taken down for making black Nazis, Right, but it literally 553 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:34.960 could not make a white person. You know, It's almost 554 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.720 impossible to do it. And you know that's a silly 555 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.640 example that's obviously kind of a newtered product. But you know, 556 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.799 consider right, like if these kind of social planner types 557 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.039 want to say, like all right, like oh great, AI, 558 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.359 you know, tell me where to route my police officers, 559 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.440 you know, and well, the AI looks at the statistical 560 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.640 data and decides, well, you know, it probably doesn't route 561 00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.960 those police officers to a to a neighborhood where the 562 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.240 houses are valued at one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Obviously, 563 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.359 city dependent. I realize seven hundred and fifty grand is 564 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:05.759 like a shithole in New York, But you know what 565 00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:09.720 I mean, Yeah, and you know that's something that will 566 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:13.440 not be allowed to exist, you know, not because of 567 00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:18.720 this kind of ideological possession. And so there's a secondary layer, 568 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.279 which is one, is AI the revolutionary technology it's been 569 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.920 presented as, I'm not convinced. And then there's the secondary 570 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.400 layer of well, even if it were, what would it 571 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:31.119 need to succeed? And we do not, We do not. 572 00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.359 We do not have the conditions to allow, you know, 573 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.480 an AI model to succeed, right, We we build too 574 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.400 many constraints into it at every level because of this 575 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.400 kind of gay social religion. 576 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.160 Yeah, human beings are incapable of pure reason. I mean 577 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:52.160 I too, maybe some people are, but and so we 578 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:55.640 would be intolerant of anything that's pure reason. And I think, 579 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:57.839 you know, it's important to understand, you know, you kind 580 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.079 of getting back to the consciousness perhaps being not as 581 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:05.000 as real as we think it is, is that throughout 582 00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.359 human history we have examples of this where you know, 583 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.119 elites in society maintain polite fictions because they're necessary in 584 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.160 order to maintain the well functioning of society. The censorship 585 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:19.440 of Galileo was not because of superstition. It was a 586 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:24.880 genuine fear that undermining this moral framework and this understanding 587 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:28.319 of man's relationship to nature and to God, that would 588 00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:31.079 create problems. That that was a genuine concern. You know, 589 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:34.039 they weren't. You know, these people were not superstitious in 590 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:35.880 the sense that we think of. They were concerned of 591 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:39.079 the consequence of this because you know, after all, Galileo 592 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:43.799 wasn't really the first guy to contemplate a you know 593 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.839 that the Earth revolved around the Sun, and you know, 594 00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.279 so this was really situational to him and his own politics. 595 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.880 But this has always happened though. Every society has pretty lies. 596 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.880 It has these things that maintains because they're necessary to maintain. 597 00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.720 Every society has to have an origin story, which is 598 00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:04.759 most nonsense. I did a show recently on History, you know, 599 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.160 the origin story of America, people coming over from freedom 600 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.559 of religion and all. It's all lies, it's all bs. 601 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.480 But if they're convenient lies, or at least they used 602 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:14.400 to be, they were good lies to kind of keep 603 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.680 us all. You know, a disparate population hung together around 604 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.480 a set of common ideas, and so we have this 605 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.799 BS story about the Pilgrims and all this stuff. I mean, 606 00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.039 the Puritans were pretty nasty people, you know, they weren't, 607 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.519 you know, sitting down and breaking bread with the Indians 608 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.720 at Thanksgiving and all that stuff. And that's just nonsense. 609 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.319 But it's it's sometimes you have to have nonsense. It's 610 00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:38.400 like every society has to tolerate some degree of barbarism 611 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.279 because he's just you know, the cost of not tolerating 612 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.440 is too high. And so I think, you know, we 613 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:49.200 shouldn't be surprised that we have taboos, because every society 614 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:51.359 has taboos, and that we have things that we believe 615 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:54.160 that are probably nonsense, because every society has that. The 616 00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.160 problem that we have now is that the people who 617 00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:01.480 are enforcing these things insist that they're not religion, they're 618 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.200 not beliefs that they insist that somehow orhether it's reason. 619 00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:07.799 You know, when pill companies are now talking about how 620 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.880 you know if you are assigned female at birth, well, 621 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.039 this is lunacy, is absolutely obvious lunacy. No one is 622 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.240 assigning you a sex at birth, and that's crazy. And 623 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.960 yet you know, these people won't acknowledge that that this 624 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:24.759 weird transcult stuff is, you know, a set of beliefs 625 00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.640 they're trying to enforce for what they think is the 626 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.839 greater good. That's the real problem is we have a 627 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.440 ruling elite that is lacks self awareness and self consciousness, 628 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:38.440 and so they enforce all these taboos without the ability 629 00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:40.759 to explain them in any way to us, and being 630 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.240 a somewhat open society, this is creating all these problems. 631 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.400 I mean, look, our ruling class would do itself a 632 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.079 world of good by turning off the internet. Sure, commerce 633 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.039 would be affected and you could probably work around that. 634 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.279 But if the rest of us couldn't have shows like 635 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.319 this and talk about all this crazy stuff, we just 636 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.119 have to live with it, and it would be a 637 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.920 lot easier for the ruling class. But we do have 638 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.400 somewhat open debate and so we can talk about the 639 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:04.880 nuttiness that's being imposed on us, and that really is 640 00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.599 the problem. You know, belief is a core part of 641 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.319 the human animal. Belief and language of co evalved in 642 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.160 early Man is what makes modern people modern because it 643 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.920 allows the combination to allows you to containerize abstract ideas 644 00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:21.559 and transport them over time and space. You know, I 645 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.519 can read the Epica Gilgamagh in my language and get 646 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:25.079 most of it. 647 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:25.599 You know. 648 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.440 It's that that's an amazing thing that language and belief 649 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.440 can do. And so, you know, as a society, we've 650 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.119 lost this ability to accept that we believe things that 651 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.119 might not be true, but we believe them because we 652 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.799 need to believe them. And so we were getting more 653 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:44.119 and more deranged as we try and resolve these contradictions. 654 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:45.519 I think, you know, we were talking about it earlier. 655 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.240 You know, this coalition that we're seeing fray apart that 656 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.440 existed up until a few years ago, all these different 657 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.519 groups that all they had is a common enemy. And 658 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:55.200 now that the enemy's gone, you know, there's no more 659 00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:58.559 secret and visible army of white nationalists to go chasing after, 660 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.519 you know, the alt right and all that stuff. They're 661 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.440 all at each other's throats. And that's because you know, 662 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.920 these internal contradictions they don't go away, you know, eventually 663 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.000 they have to be addressed. And this internal contradition of 664 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.200 living in a secular theocracy with a clerical class that 665 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.119 doesn't see themselves as clerics but instead sees themselves as 666 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:23.599 you know, reason machines, like they're moist robots that that 667 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:27.200 is an irreconcilable contradiction, and I think it's at the 668 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.680 heart of the current crisis. 669 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.000 When this gets back to an idea from Mosca, right, 670 00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:36.240 the idea of a political formula, which is basically that 671 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:40.720 every society is organized around a faith claim, you know, 672 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.920 a justification for rule that is non logical, you know, 673 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.240 and it's really easy to pick apart that in in 674 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.759 ancient societies, when it's something like my dad is literally 675 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.960 the sun. Okay, you can look back on that and say, like, Okay, 676 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.000 the Pharaoh Egypt probably wasn't literally fathered by the son 677 00:33:56.079 --> 00:34:00.359 God rab but nonetheless that thing still exists, you know, 678 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.200 whereas now the political formula. And I think the reason 679 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:07.599 that coalition is falling apart is because that political formula, 680 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.119 you know, like you said, is falling apart. And the 681 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.519 political formula of our regime is something like, you know, 682 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:19.880 we saved you diverse person from the racist, sexist past 683 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.599 and or the nazis right, depending on who you're talking to. 684 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.159 And there's this moment, and I think it was twenty twelve, 685 00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:30.199 right when when Obama was running against Romney, where Joe 686 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:33.840 Biden is addressing a group of you know, black church goers, 687 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.239 and he basically says, like, you know, Mitt Romney wants 688 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.679 to put y'all back in chains, right, that is that 689 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.400 political formula, and it's obviously ridiculous. You know, I don't 690 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.480 like Mitt Romney at all. I think he's kind of 691 00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.880 a creepy freak, but he's probably not going to re 692 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.280 enslave black bee you know, say what you will about 693 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.440 the band. Now that said, in that, that political formula 694 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:59.480 really falls apart when I mean, where are the white 695 00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:03.199 national you know, where the Nazi? And I think part 696 00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.800 of the reason that the left loves Donald Trump and 697 00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:11.559 they love to hate him is that he can be 698 00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.079 set up as their Baltimore Rights, their Darth Vader. And 699 00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.320 obviously that's working less and less. And I think one 700 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.960 of the reasons that you see such low enthusiasm among 701 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.639 you know, Black Americans among other groups kind of traditionally 702 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:30.239 allied with the DMC is basically like that whole line 703 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:31.960 of reasoning has kind of lost its appeal. 704 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:32.920 You know. 705 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:35.840 It's hard to say, like, oh, where the left where 706 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:39.679 the underdogs? When the left has controlled everything in America 707 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.480 arguably since the nineteen thirties, but effectively since the nineteen sixties, 708 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:47.679 and at a certain point, I don't believe you that 709 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.559 you're the plucky underdog who just needs one more election 710 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.559 to fight Voltimore. It's retarded, and I think it's manifestly retarded. 711 00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.800 Yeah, and there's also hatred is exhausting, and I think 712 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:03.400 you know, you you run out of you know, reasons 713 00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:06.159 they hate. I mean, I think voting. You know, there's 714 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.880 an old axiom in politics. You know, people will keep 715 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.360 voting for something, but they will only vote against something 716 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.639 for a little while, and that that that's I think 717 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.760 part of the problem that that the you know, the 718 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.239 Democratic Coalition is running into is that, you know, black 719 00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.039 people they had a lot of fun hating whites for 720 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.599 a while, but you know, the economy is not so 721 00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.920 good now, and inflation is high and the other things 722 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:33.480 are starting to creep into their minds, and you know, 723 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.960 so if you don't have some positive agenda, it really 724 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.159 is the problem with identity is that a negative identity 725 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.400 is always dependent on outside forces, so you're you're really 726 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.639 a slave to whatever those forces are. While positive identity 727 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.320 is completely internal. You're not a slave to anyone other 728 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:52.000 than your own own desires and your own effort, and 729 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.599 I think that's a part of what's causing part of 730 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.800 what's causing the problems for the coalition. I mean there's 731 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.039 a lot of practical things. I mean, people have eyes, 732 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.159 they see this shuffling old husk of a man and 733 00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.079 worry about him having access to the nuclear football, and 734 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.000 you know, there's all kinds of stuff. But I do 735 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.920 think you know, the the problem that we have, and 736 00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:14.079 this is not a problem that's going away, is that 737 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.440 the United States is going to be a majority minority 738 00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.119 society and no one has ever figured out how to 739 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.800 keep such society together without violence. No one's ever figured 740 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.159 that out, and we're going to have to. We're going 741 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.880 to have to figure out how this works. And right now, 742 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:33.960 none of the stuff in our political debates addresses any 743 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.519 of it. And it doesn't appear as if our current 744 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:41.199 economic elites understand the great risk they face, and so 745 00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:45.559 they're not willing to finance an understanding of what's happening 746 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.119 in our society, and it very well made. I think 747 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:50.960 we're going to have to go through an extreme period 748 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.239 of ugliness for that reality to come home to our 749 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.280 economic elites. So they start to think, hey, we can't 750 00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:59.800 let this go on. You know, we're headed for this. 751 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.840 I've pointed this out many many times in the context 752 00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:07.519 of immigration, that we got smart on immigration in the 753 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.920 nineteen twenties when immigrants started blowing up rich people. They 754 00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.039 set off a bond's called the Wall Street bombing. They 755 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.360 set off a huge bomb outside of JP Morgan building, 756 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.840 killed a bunch of stockbrokers. They sent letter bombs to 757 00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.199 rich people. These were mostly anarchists and Bolsheviks. They bulow 758 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.039 up the New York Times or the La Times building, 759 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.119 and all of a sudden, that JP Morgan bomb went off. 760 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.119 Within a year and a half, we shut down all 761 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.159 immigration and we rounded up Bolsheviks and anarchists and deported 762 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.880 them without They just grabbed them off the street and 763 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.000 stuck them on a boat and sent them back to Europe. 764 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.280 And you know, because rich people, when they taste their 765 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.400 own blood, they get serious about the source of it. 766 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.360 And that's what's going to have to happen in America 767 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.760 when it comes to how do we manage a multi racial, 768 00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.719 multi ethnic, multicultural society that's the size of a continent. 769 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.440 How do we manage this? No one has an answer. 770 00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.000 But once rich people start to realize that if they 771 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:00.239 don't have an answer, soon they stopped being rich people 772 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.840 and they start becoming fertilizer. Then they're going to get 773 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:04.920 serious about it. And then you know that maybe there'll 774 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:06.719 be time left to actually come up with an answer. 775 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.800 But until then, it's just going to be this endless nuttiness. 776 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.039 And some degree it is I mean, you have if 777 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:13.599 you could take a step back from it and kind of, 778 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.480 you know, look at it dispassionately, it is amusing. I mean, 779 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.639 you know, we have a bridge. A bridge fell down 780 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.760 in Baltimore because it was hit by a Look, it 781 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:26.719 was an accident. These things happened and most likely, I mean, 782 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.280 you know, I don't think there's terrorism or anything like that, 783 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:32.079 and you know, this happens. And then you had Pete 784 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.760 Booty Gig just yesterday apparently gave a speech about how 785 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.760 bridges are racist, that they were made to bridges and 786 00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.679 I can't believe that actually somebody said this, that bridges 787 00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:44.360 were made a certain height because the buses that carried 788 00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.119 non white people were too tall to go underneath the bridge. 789 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:49.440 And so you know that's how you kept black people 790 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.400 out of your neighborhood. You built a bridge it's just bunkers. 791 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:53.960 But how do you not laugh at that? I mean, 792 00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:57.320 you have this ridiculous person on its face in this 793 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.960 position saying completely insane things. You know, I some lowly 794 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:03.400 you just have to laugh. I mean, this is I mean, 795 00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.519 if you're you know, if your space aliens looking down 796 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.599 on Earth. I mean, we make a pretty entertaining TV 797 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:11.559 show for them. Right now, they're watching, you know, the 798 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.480 America Channel and laughing themselves silly. 799 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.639 Well, And I think that I think that the the 800 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.559 situation with sort of blaming everything on on racism, right, 801 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:29.719 goes back to that fact that our elites are very 802 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:33.679 very uncomfortable with actually being held to account for anything, right. 803 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.760 And one of the advantages of the deep state, right, 804 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.280 of this kind of faithless bureaucracy, is it's very very 805 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.960 difficult to say who actually decided any one thing, right. 806 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:46.719 It's these kind of like byzantine internal policies. And you know, 807 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.880 when I look at what's happening on the border right now, 808 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.920 and obviously I'm I think what Abbott did right by 809 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:57.280 basically saying, like I will secure the border. You know, 810 00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:01.360 damn what what the FEDS say is a result of 811 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.360 exactly what you said that effectively, you know, Abbot right 812 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.960 a Republican, and the Republican Party in Texas is similar, 813 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.280 right to the Democratic Party in a place like New 814 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.760 York or California. Right, there's a lot of power there. 815 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.400 And you know, when you look at a situation like Texas, 816 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.320 where just a few weeks before that it was real 817 00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:26.159 that Texas is now roughly equally white and Hispanic. And 818 00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.039 while certainly there are some Hispanics who got Republican, that 819 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.960 trend may be continuing. That is a bad thing for 820 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.239 a man like Greg Abbot, And all of a sudden 821 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.679 he sort of transforms himself from being this kind of 822 00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.199 tepid chamber of commerce type. And look, I don't like 823 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.360 Greg Abbot. He seems like kind of a slimy guy 824 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.360 to me. And all of a sudden he's like, okay, 825 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.159 this this has to stop right now because it starts 826 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:48.760 to threaten its power. And does that mean that it's 827 00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.400 civil war two? No, But it is a situation in 828 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:56.719 which the classic problem of the Republican Party in the US, 829 00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.000 at least from our perspective as a principal agent one right, 830 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.639 that our elected representatives do not have the same win 831 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.719 conditions so to speak, that we do. They're playing a 832 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:11.079 different game. And all of a sudden, right when our issues, 833 00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.320 even the things we care about like demographic replacement, start 834 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:19.079 to threaten those elites, right it starts to make them hurt, 835 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.639 you might actually see something change there. And again I'm 836 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:26.159 not you know, I think that your broad prediction of 837 00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.840 essentially a return to the mean right there is going 838 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.480 to be a you know, be referred to as a winnowing. 839 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.199 I think that you're right in that. But nonetheless, if 840 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.480 we're going to see something change in the immediate term, 841 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.880 it's going to come from basically elites being in a 842 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.159 situation where they actually need to make something happen or 843 00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.559 they'll lose power. And I don't say that because I 844 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:45.440 think they're good people. 845 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:45.760 I do it. 846 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.880 I say that because I think they're at their base, ambitious, 847 00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:49.960 power hungry people. 848 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.960 Yeah, you know, it's you know, managerialism. I've seen this 849 00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.199 in my my corporate life, and I mean I work 850 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.360 with corporations. Now I don't work in them, but you know, 851 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.119 I've always saw this. I always tell people my politics 852 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.280 are entirely informed by my work in offices, because it's 853 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.360 just you see the same thing in miniature. But you know, 854 00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:15.039 managers always seek to hide in the croal, that's what 855 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.679 they want to do, but they still want to assert 856 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.480 their authority, so that it's a weird sort of optical illusion, 857 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:23.039 and that you know, the committee decides to do something, 858 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.079 but the committee is not an abstract concept. It's real people. 859 00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.239 They decided it, but they don't actually get blamed for it. 860 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:28.400 You know. 861 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.159 It's an odd thing that happens. It's a psychological trick 862 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.519 that gets played on everyone that the ten people came 863 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.360 together and voted for this thing to happen, but none 864 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.800 of them individually are responsible for it. You know, Oh well, 865 00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.800 just a committee decision, you know, I made my argument, 866 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:47.119 you know, And and this is how our society runs now. 867 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:50.599 It's almost completely dominated by managerial men who are always 868 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.159 looking to you know, assert their you know, their agendas, 869 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:57.599 but not be held accountable for it. And as a result, 870 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.360 you know, we live in a world in which no 871 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.960 one has control, or no one feels like they have control, 872 00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.559 and yet no one's responsible. It's a very strange age 873 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.880 I did because twenty was it twenty twenty four, so 874 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:11.199 I guess it was twenty sixteen. 875 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.000 I went and did. 876 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.119 I went, I looked at twenty years of congressional elections, 877 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.320 and I grafted out and said, all right, here are 878 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.800 the seats that never change hands. They're always in one 879 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.000 party's hand. And then I looked at the seats that 880 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.559 I've actually changed hands and did a little statistical work 881 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.559 on it, and said, at four hundred and thirty five 882 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.239 seats in Congress. Realistically, in any election, ten percent are 883 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.760 up for debate, you know, all for grabs, and it 884 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.360 can swing one way or the other. Well, that means 885 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.360 nothing's ever going to change because all those people in 886 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.440 safe seats no longer are actually worried about losing an election. 887 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:48.679 They're worried about other things, Seniority, making good deals with lobbyists, 888 00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.320 making me in good stead with the party leadership, you know, 889 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.079 all this other stuff. And so only ten percent of 890 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.360 Congress at any one time is ever going to represent 891 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.239 the interests of the American people or think about the 892 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:00.880 issues of the America people, because they're the ones who 893 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.559 ever have to care. And you know, and that's what's happened. 894 00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:10.480 We've now turned Congress into this sort of permanent committee 895 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.199 inside the corporation that's Washington. You know, they get to 896 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.679 do all these things and never face any consequences. And 897 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.159 they don't have to think about the consequences of the 898 00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.639 voters because they're never going to lose an election. Instead, 899 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.880 they're thinking about the donors and lobbyist jobs. And that's 900 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.199 why like a guy like John Bohner, for example, is given. 901 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:29.840 You know, he's the guy who was crying all the time. 902 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.079 You know, he's now a weed salesman in Washington, but 903 00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.239 they set him up in these great gigs because it's 904 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.480 a message to every congressman. Hey, you know you do 905 00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:39.639 a good job. Ten years from now, you could be 906 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:41.239 you could have one of these jobs. You know, seven 907 00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:45.679 figures expense account, you know, easy hours, and and so, 908 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.880 you know, our political system is all self serving. It 909 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:52.760 serves the economic elites, serves the political elites themselves, and 910 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:54.000 the rest of us are just left out in the 911 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.559 dark to observe this stuff. And that's why all the 912 00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:02.079 organizing and campaigning and all that is probably just frivolous. 913 00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.320 I mean, it's just sowing seeds amongst the stones. But 914 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.239 at some point though, reality does creep into the picture, 915 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.480 and you know, it may be economic crisis, it could 916 00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.000 be you know that look, what's going on in Europe 917 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.639 could turn very ugly and very dangerous, or Europe itself 918 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:19.280 could just fall into chaos. I mean there's a lot 919 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.079 of a lot of bad things going on in Europe 920 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.360 right now. But or in in Asia, you know, with 921 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.280 the Chinese, so it's you know, something could come along 922 00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:30.159 all of a sudden, reality comes rushing into this bubble 923 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.920 is cloud people and they start to get worried, they 924 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.320 start to a genuine fear takes hold, and then they'll 925 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.519 start to act. But then that isn't necessarily they're going 926 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:39.960 to act in a good way. They could act in 927 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.360 a very dangerous and terrible way, initially to try and 928 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.280 defend their interest and then at some point realized that no, 929 00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:48.800 we've got to fundamentally change how we do things in 930 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:51.320 order to survive. And it's not without precedent. 931 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:51.480 You know. 932 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.719 Solon was brought in by the ancient Greeks to solve 933 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:56.440 a very similar problem that we have today and the 934 00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:00.159 concentration of wealth. You know, you have reformists within the 935 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.480 Roman Republic, you know, so, I mean it's not we 936 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.920 have hell, we had a reperiod reform in the nineteen seventies, 937 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.480 nineteen eighties in America, so it's not without precedent, but 938 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.199 I'm less optimistic that will be peaceful and smooth like 939 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:13.840 those kinds of events. I think it's going to be 940 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:15.800 a rough ride. I think we're really going to have 941 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:19.440 a very very difficult period ten to fifteen years in 942 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.119 which everyone finally figures out that hey, we can't keep 943 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:22.840 doing what we're doing. 944 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:24.800 We'll do something different, and. 945 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:27.280 You know, you just have to hope that there's enough 946 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:31.559 left to fix I mean, or that I die before 947 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:32.480 it really gets bad. 948 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:36.079 Yeah, let's say that that. I think that's the baby 949 00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.480 boomer attitude, right, like, oh, well I've only got a 950 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:40.480 few more years left. 951 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:45.000 Yeah, yeah, I go to I go a baby boomer breakfast. 952 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.840 I mean, I'm not a boomer, but you know, they're 953 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.119 all these old guys, that retired guys, and it's a 954 00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:51.559 common theme. They'll say, Wow, that sounds like it's going 955 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:55.000 to be a you problem, not a knee problem. 956 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:55.360 Yeah. 957 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.480 That's one of those things where it's you sort of 958 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.960 laugh a little bit, but maybe not as much as 959 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.480 they do. You know, I think that the generational conversations 960 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.519 are interesting. You know, certain people take them too far, 961 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:12.760 but I think that I it's been interesting to see 962 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.400 you know, my own generation. You know, you mentioned that, 963 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:17.800 you know, gen Z is sort of this like great 964 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.599 social experiment. But one of the things that I've noticed 965 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.760 is that gen Z has sort of split into multiple 966 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:25.679 entirely distinct populations. 967 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.920 Right. So one is. 968 00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:32.840 That the the sexes have been politicized. You know, men 969 00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:37.480 are in general significantly to the right of women. That's weird, right, 970 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.199 Obviously there's there's normally a bias one way or the other. 971 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:44.000 You know. Interestingly, before about the seventies, women were more 972 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:48.079 conservative than men. That that trend reserve reversed, but this 973 00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:50.960 is we're talking like a twenty point jack gap. Right. 974 00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.039 That's one thing that's interesting, and this is purely anecdotal, 975 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.719 but it sort of reminds me of HG. Wells as 976 00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.039 the time machine, right, like you Euloi and then the 977 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:04.519 Mora law, because COVID really sharply divided that population, you know, 978 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.679 basically between the people who were like, well, I'm going 979 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.000 to continue living my normal life and those who are 980 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:12.960 just now kind of coming out of the cave. And like, 981 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.719 don't get me wrong, every negative thing said about gen 982 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.920 Z is true. Taken as a whole. But what's been 983 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:21.079 interesting to see is that they're an immense amount of 984 00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:25.800 young men in our political scene who are incredibly competent, 985 00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:30.559 who are incredibly driven, and who are effectively locked out 986 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:33.880 of the traditional kind of status hierarchy, you know, the 987 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.559 young white men need not apply. And so I'm curious 988 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.480 to see where that goes, because you do have a 989 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.800 lot of people who traditionally would be you know, the 990 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.440 young rising partner at a law of firm, right, the 991 00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.800 hot new surgeon in town, and now are effectively, you know, 992 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:54.199 locked out of traditional prestige institutions. And I mean, let's 993 00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:58.039 be honest, those institutions are falling apart even before the 994 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.960 kind of recruiting crinsis. But I'm curious to see how 995 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:04.519 that brend develops. 996 00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.840 Yeah, I think that's a good observation about your generation. 997 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:11.840 And because it's funny, I was talking to someone in 998 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.880 my generation. You know, it's a weird thing. Gen xers 999 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:19.000 seem to have a much more comfortable tolerance of the 1000 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:23.079 weirdness of gen Z in general. Ten baby boomers for sure. 1001 00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.079 Baby boomers just find it very difficult. But even millennials, 1002 00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.000 which is kind of a strange thing. But I think 1003 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.360 it has to do with the fact that my generation 1004 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:33.760 came along with this massive blob of people in front 1005 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.760 of us, and by the time when we got into 1006 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:37.679 the work world, it became rather obvious that we were 1007 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:39.360 never going to get any of those good jobs because 1008 00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.000 guess what is all these guys who got more experience 1009 00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.480 been around longer. They're clogging up the system. And so 1010 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.280 a weird way, my generation came along not really wanting 1011 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.920 to invest the same way. I remember when I was 1012 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.760 a young person, old guys criticizing us for job hopping, 1013 00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.719 and the argument was, well, look, if you're not you know, 1014 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:00.840 loyalty is a two way street. If the company isn't 1015 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:03.119 going to do anything for me, well why should I 1016 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:04.719 do anything for the extra for the company? I mean, 1017 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.840 what's you know, what's the explanation for this loyalty? Well, 1018 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:09.840 you know, for the Boomers that loyalty made a lot 1019 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.840 more sense because they got something out of it. But 1020 00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.400 I think what we when I think gen Z to 1021 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.719 some degree is for different reasons, is coming into a 1022 00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.960 world where you're not going to be able to replicate 1023 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.760 that of your parents or grandparents. You're not going to 1024 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.840 have the nineteen fifties life, or even the nineteen eighties life. 1025 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.239 That's just not going to happen. So that's a generation 1026 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.119 that is nevitably going to have to look at the 1027 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.880 future in a very different way. And I think for 1028 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.519 that regard, maybe it's why my generation is far more 1029 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:41.519 tolerant of some of the stuff that goes on with 1030 00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.480 the gen z 's. I'd say this all the time. Whenever, 1031 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.559 you know, like the groper stuff came up, I would 1032 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:49.559 have comments on that way. There were always older people 1033 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.159 give me the business for not coming down hard on 1034 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.159 people like Nick flint Day's and some of the other 1035 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.159 characters that were running around at the time. And I'd say, look, 1036 00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:58.800 you know, you just got to wait see what happens 1037 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:00.280 ten years from now, you know. I mean, you know, 1038 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.119 people change, and old people couldn't see it that way. 1039 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:05.559 And that's so I think that's part of it. But 1040 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:08.239 I think the bigger problem, bigger differences with gen Z 1041 00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.039 and this is this is where the social experiment is, 1042 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:17.000 is that your generation has been socialized online. Millennials didn't 1043 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.360 get socialized online. It's still even though they're highly supervised 1044 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.360 by helicopter parents, and certainly my generation, you know, we 1045 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:27.960 we We were socialized on playgrounds. Gen z ors were 1046 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:32.239 socialized in chat rooms and in message boards and social 1047 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:35.639 media and chat rooms in game gaming world, you know, 1048 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.920 and it results in some weird dynamics. You know, you 1049 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:44.159 can be you can be extreme in a chat room 1050 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:47.000 or in a video game, because what's the worst thing 1051 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.000 going to happen? Your character will be destroyed and you 1052 00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.320 have to respawn as a new character. It's not you know, 1053 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.679 there's no real consequences in a way. You know, you 1054 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.320 get banned from Twitter, you start a new Twitter account, 1055 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.440 you know, and you start over, and that's it's different 1056 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:03.480 than you're getting in trouble in the playground and maybe 1057 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:04.519 losing the few of your teeth. 1058 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:04.760 You know. 1059 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.159 It's a different experience, you know, And I think zoomers 1060 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:12.360 in a lot of ways being socialized online. First of all, 1061 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.119 you guys are vastly more media savvy than any generation 1062 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.559 before you. I mean, it really is incredible just how 1063 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.519 comfortable young people. I see this in the workplace all 1064 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.760 the time. I laugh, I get I will get text 1065 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:27.280 messages from people where they did a video of something 1066 00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.920 on their their workstation and sent me the video with 1067 00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.760 commentary on it and I mean, you never get that 1068 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:34.440 from an old person. 1069 00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:35.880 That would never happen, you know. 1070 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.400 But what they're doing is the showing me, hey. 1071 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:39.280 I did this, I did this, and you know this 1072 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:42.000 is the result I got and and it's very helpful. 1073 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:42.719 I mean, it's great. 1074 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:44.599 But it just comes so naturally to young people that 1075 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.960 it does not it's not the chase for the older generations. 1076 00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.599 So it's it's going to be a very it's gonna 1077 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.480 be very interesting to see how that happens because how 1078 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.719 much of the world outside is real, real, real, and 1079 00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:58.840 how much of the Internet world is you know what 1080 00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.239 I mean. It's you know, if you if your bank 1081 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.480 account is canceled because it's something you said online, that's 1082 00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.880 extremely It's as real as somebody punching you in a 1083 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:09.960 nose because you said something you shouldn't have said, you know, 1084 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:12.599 you know what I mean. So it's the reality of it. 1085 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:15.800 We can't just assume that the Internet is not real 1086 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:18.039 and outside is real. The Internet is as real as 1087 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.400 anything outside is right now for most people, particularly younger people, 1088 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.280 because that's their world is shaped by it. So it's 1089 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:26.400 going to be an interesting thing to see. And I 1090 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.280 guess I'll probably live long enough to see how it 1091 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.679 plays out, unless you know the world ends. But but 1092 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:34.480 I don't think anybody really thinks there's not a lot 1093 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.199 OF's not a lot of people writing about this, which 1094 00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.039 I find strange, you know this, because it seems like 1095 00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:43.039 such a fertile ground to kind of speculate about culture 1096 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:47.599 and anthropology and demographics and all these different different topics. 1097 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:50.400 One of the things that I want to bring up, 1098 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.119 uh an aside on the technical issue or the technical 1099 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:56.599 skill issue that I think is interesting is you know, 1100 00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:59.800 you mentioned that gen z has been socialized on the Internet. 1101 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.920 That's that's one hundred percent true. You know when I 1102 00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:05.320 look at the kind of neo pronouns, right, the zzers, 1103 00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:09.239 the Demi boys, all the like weird gender goblin nonsense. 1104 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:11.920 To me, that is that is a pure product of 1105 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:12.559 the Internet. 1106 00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:12.880 Right. 1107 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:16.280 Not only is that something that if you tried, you know, 1108 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:19.639 in grade school, you'd get relentlessly bullied, but also the 1109 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.719 whole idea of having pronouns right in stating your pronouns, 1110 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:25.920 I mean, how do you how does that work in 1111 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:29.079 a face to face conversation? Right, Hello, my name is 1112 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.519 Jay Burden. My pronouns are like that's goofy. Right, no 1113 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:34.559 one talks like that, but on the internet, right, you 1114 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.199 can put them in your bio. Now. One of the 1115 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.400 things that's interesting I think as well, is that the 1116 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.480 gen Z is a product of consumer internet, right, not 1117 00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.599 the Internet per se. And you know, so you see 1118 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.360 this problem often and I've interacted this with my peers 1119 00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.400 that they're very bad at, you know, what would have 1120 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.159 been basic technical tasks twenty years ago, like all right, 1121 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:56.599 you know, find the root file, you know, find this, 1122 00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:00.639 you know, the subsystem on your computer. You know, nothing complicated, 1123 00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:01.239 I can't. 1124 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.559 That is an excellent observation. I was just talking to 1125 00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.840 someone about this in a work environment the other day. 1126 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.519 It is at it is a very very true thing, 1127 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.199 and it's and it's shocking in a way. 1128 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.280 Right, Sorry, I thought I thought you were going to 1129 00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.320 go on, but it is. It is very much a 1130 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:23.760 product of you know, the iPhone internet, you know, where 1131 00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.320 everything is sort of glazed over with this kind of 1132 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.320 Fisher price effect, you know, And so if you can't 1133 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.360 find something by just typing it in text, you know, 1134 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.719 and who knows, maybe that's another reason AI will be needed. 1135 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.199 It's sort of an interface between people who've never used 1136 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:40.440 the kind of back end of the of a machine 1137 00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.599 at all. But it's interesting to watch because it's sort 1138 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:46.920 of like the there are very few people who bridge 1139 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.199 the gap between you know, the media skills, right, which 1140 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.920 is the you know, the thing you've talked about, you know, 1141 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.840 and then the the kind of just simple you know, 1142 00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:58.199 how to look for a file, how to convert a file, 1143 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.159 all of those things that you know you've ever actually done, 1144 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.280 and look like I need to know this for podcasting. 1145 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:07.360 It's not rocket science, but nonetheless it is interesting where 1146 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.679 it's almost like they're so saturated by kind of like 1147 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:14.480 web three point zero, right, social media, that that's kind 1148 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:19.840 of the primary way they interact with all technology. 1149 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:24.199 Yeah, it's using that example of someone sending me a 1150 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:29.360 video of something. They will do this because it is 1151 00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.840 a weird thing has happened in that people are so 1152 00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:35.440 used to thinking they can just press a button and 1153 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.159 they get the free result without having to do any 1154 00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.519 work or having to think too much, and they're somewhat 1155 00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.360 offended by old fashioneds a software that actually requires you 1156 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.920 to take certain knowledge from one area of it and 1157 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.519 apply that knowledge to the other area so that you 1158 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.400 can learn how to master it and you see this 1159 00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:55.400 problem turn up all the time. You know, Hey, I 1160 00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.079 push these three buttons like I do over here, and 1161 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.400 I'm oftentimes my reply will be, well, what happened when 1162 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:02.960 you push the buttons on this other side? 1163 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:03.440 Oh? 1164 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.039 I don't know, is this is the thing that didn't happen? 1165 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:06.880 And you have to kind of walk them through how 1166 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:10.800 to use inference to learn how something works without having 1167 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:13.559 to be trained on it. And I'll shake my head 1168 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.280 and I'm like, man, this this is completely bunkers. But 1169 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:18.280 I was talking to someone recently about this and they said, yeah, 1170 00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:20.480 we run into the same problem all the time. And 1171 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.800 in fact, they're actually trying to change their help section. 1172 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:28.079 They're going to try and use AI so that their 1173 00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.400 users maybe they think, would you know, the younger people 1174 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.880 would be more comfortable just talking to another voice that 1175 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.920 will then explain to them how to navigate through a 1176 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:41.280 software system. This is completely nuts, but it is the 1177 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.920 you know, the world in which we live because you. 1178 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:45.519 Know, young people. 1179 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:47.639 It's not that young people are dumb, it's just that 1180 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.480 they were conditioned to it with a certain set of expectations. 1181 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.199 You know, you think about like playing video games. I 1182 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.239 blame the pronouns on video games, and the reason is 1183 00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:00.320 that the boys could play the girl warrior hero princess role, 1184 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:04.000 so they all of a sudden gender bending became normal 1185 00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.599 without any consequences, you know. And so you could could 1186 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.440 be the female character, could be the male career whatever, 1187 00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:13.000 you could be some non sex character. But I think 1188 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.320 also by spending so much time online, so much time 1189 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.440 interacting with other people this way, that the it's just 1190 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.760 an expect it's a dependence on technology that is not 1191 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:24.519 in the front of the brain. It's in the back 1192 00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.599 of the brain. It's kind of like how an older 1193 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.960 person would just naturally check the weather before going out 1194 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:33.400 on the hike because you know, hey, it could be raining, 1195 00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:35.800 so I should bring an Unbrella. You know, you don't 1196 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:38.800 think about, Hey, I'm you know. You know, I have 1197 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:40.320 to make this a habit, don't. You don't have to 1198 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.199 write it down. It's just a part of your conditioning. 1199 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:46.719 You do this automatically. And for zoomers, so much of 1200 00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:50.639 this dependency on technology is a part of the environment. 1201 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:53.280 You You know, a young person can't imagine a world 1202 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:55.639 without the Internet. I can imagine a world without an 1203 00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:57.519 Internet because I spent a good chunk of my life 1204 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.320 without the Internet. I remember having to actually to a 1205 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.639 physical building and look something up in paper books and 1206 01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.920 have to take notes. I do know a world like 1207 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.280 that existed you someone your age. You can't imagine what 1208 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:11.199 that would be like to live in such a horrible place, 1209 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.119 you know, the where you couldn't just type of, you know, 1210 01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.840 some keystrokes into your machine and get the answer. 1211 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:19.480 I do, but only because I lived out in the 1212 01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:21.679 country and so I didn't get Internet until I was, 1213 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:23.360 you know, much much later than the rest of the 1214 01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:27.119 world did. But yeah, yeah, I think that something else 1215 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.000 is and these are these are sort of connected, right 1216 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.559 that I was. I was lucky enough to go to 1217 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:35.119 a very very good private school, right, and they were 1218 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.719 they were pretty on top of technology, right. You couldn't 1219 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.000 bring your cell phone into the building, you know, computers 1220 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.480 were heavily restricted, and there were certainly you know, positives 1221 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:45.360 to that. I think I've managed to recover and you know, 1222 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:47.559 figured out how to use a computer find later in life. 1223 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:50.280 But what was particularly interesting about that is when I 1224 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:54.719 made the transition from high school to college, how much 1225 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:58.960 lower the standards were. Right, and you'd assume, naturally, right 1226 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:00.480 that it would be vice versa. You know that it's 1227 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.960 a gradual building up of you know, something getting harder 1228 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:06.639 and harder. But it was kind of a combination of one, 1229 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:08.920 you know, you were allowed almost an unlimited number of 1230 01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:13.360 technological crutches. And then also, you know, there's this kind 1231 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:17.480 of like never ending situations of accepting you know, oh, 1232 01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:20.440 well it's COVID, so you can take a course, pass fame. 1233 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:24.400 You know, oh it's you know, something bad happened on campus. 1234 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.960 If you if you want to, you know, you don't 1235 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.880 have to take this test, and magically no one takes 1236 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:33.079 the test, right. And I think that you know that 1237 01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:37.559 that's another interesting layer to this, right, which is that traditionally, 1238 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:41.039 you know, there was kind of this process of accreditation 1239 01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:43.880 right where it's like, okay, if you've gone through these hoops, 1240 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.599 you were generally assumed to be, you know, a competent person. 1241 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:50.280 That has completely gone out the window. Right, A college 1242 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:53.119 degree is useless. And I say this as someone who 1243 01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.639 got a college degree. I thoroughly did not deserve, right. 1244 01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:58.920 I did not work at all in college. I did 1245 01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.039 other things, right. I worked on developed podcast, I read 1246 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.360 quite a bit, but almost nothing to do with school 1247 01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:08.360 in particular. And What I think that's interesting, right, is 1248 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.840 because again you know, it's everything is you know, when 1249 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.960 everything becomes that state of exception, you know, everything becomes 1250 01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:19.199 something that is you know, your sort of desire or 1251 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:21.920 like the whole point is to get out of you know, 1252 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.760 ever making a decision or telling someone no, is that 1253 01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:28.639 you do get. On one hand, this vast mass of 1254 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:33.519 just completely like hyper sensitive people, right, people who've never 1255 01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:35.840 faced adversity. You when you see this again in the 1256 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.400 pronoun thing, right, which is that like it is a 1257 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:40.880 it is a crisis, like a strike at the core 1258 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:43.639 of my being, you know, for someone to not use 1259 01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:47.000 the correct version of here or herd or further. And 1260 01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:51.039 I think that that is, uh, that's a very youthful 1261 01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:53.880 thing for the regime to have, you know, like if 1262 01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.559 you look at like what are the rewards the regime 1263 01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:59.440 offers to its different client groups to this sort of 1264 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:03.320 like gender goblin zoomer left right, the people that conservatives 1265 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.719 love to talk about on TikTok or whatever. Effectively they 1266 01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:08.199 get nothing from the regime. 1267 01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:08.480 Right. 1268 01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:10.559 What you said about never getting a good job, you know, 1269 01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.760 very very unlikely to own home is all correct, But 1270 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:17.000 they have basically had their entire reward system hijacked by 1271 01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:20.440 lets me call myself a girl on the internet, you know, 1272 01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.039 and that's all the regime has to pay them effectively. 1273 01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:27.559 Yeah, it's it is, It really is in a lot 1274 01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.440 of ways. I've somebody once in a while, on my 1275 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.440 quiet moments, you know, I'll wonder. You know, it's funny. 1276 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:38.039 Last few months have been renovating a house, right, so 1277 01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:40.800 I spent a lot of time on ladders and by myself, 1278 01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:44.079 you know, even sometimes not just in silence, you know, 1279 01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:46.159 because you can only listen to some many podcasts, and 1280 01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:47.679 so you start thinking about stuff, and I think, you 1281 01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:50.239 know what, how is it possible that there's not a 1282 01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:54.440 whole bunch of young people marching around Washington threatening to 1283 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:57.880 hang people because of the student debt problem? How is 1284 01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.840 that not? I mean enormous burdens on young people, and 1285 01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:03.639 they should be angry. I mean, young people typically are 1286 01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.559 the most troublesome portion of the population. They don't have 1287 01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.360 anything to lose. You put slapped all this debt on them. 1288 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:12.800 You gave them a degree in sociology or communications that 1289 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:16.639 it's a completely worthless degree, and now they'll be painted 1290 01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:18.360 off for the next ten years and they probably will 1291 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:21.679 never own a home as a consequence of this. Why 1292 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.360 would they have nothing to lose? And yet they're perfectly 1293 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:28.280 happy to spend their time bitching about their pronouns or 1294 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:31.000 that somebody didn't stand in a circle during COVID or. 1295 01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:31.840 Something like that. 1296 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.039 I mean, really is it's inexplicable in a way. And 1297 01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:36.599 I suppose you know, in the end, as long as 1298 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:38.960 people have and that's that's a lesson of COVID. As 1299 01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:41.639 long as people have entertainments and they have food that 1300 01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:43.960 you can do anything to them. You can humiliate people 1301 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.039 in public, you can, you can stomp all over there, 1302 01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:48.440 you know, their sense of rights and justice, and they'll 1303 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:50.280 go along with it. So I mean, maybe that's as 1304 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:52.519 simple as that. But it is really kind of puzzling 1305 01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:59.000 how younger generations are not more angry. I mean, I 1306 01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:01.079 think I mean that angry. You should be angry. Younger 1307 01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:03.079 people should be angry about the because you know, old 1308 01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:07.119 people have let young people down. I mean, but it's 1309 01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:08.800 not the case at all. I Mean, the closest you 1310 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.719 get is the sort of right zoomer who does the 1311 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:14.320 boomers bashing stuff. You know, That's about this closest you 1312 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.480 get but it's all done on you know, on Twitter 1313 01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:18.000 the man. 1314 01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:20.079 I this has been a great conversation, but I just 1315 01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:22.719 looked up at the clock and realized we're almost ten 1316 01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:24.840 minutes past where I normally try to wrap things up. 1317 01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.480 This is a great conversation. I'm really glad to have 1318 01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:30.440 you on. But if people want to find more of 1319 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.079 your work, what's a good way for them to do that. 1320 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:34.840 The easiest way to find me just go to the 1321 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:37.840 z man dot com and everything's there. Get links to 1322 01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:40.039 everything where I turn up. I write something every day 1323 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.400 and do a podcast every Friday. I even have a 1324 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.320 pay per view content so you can figure out how 1325 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.239 to get that. It's up there on the site as well, and. 1326 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.440 I highly recommend to your stuff. I've a recent convert 1327 01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.840 to your podcast, as I've said, but enjoy it quite 1328 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:56.639 a bit. You always have something interesting to say. And yeah, 1329 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:58.239 thank you so much for taking the time to speak 1330 01:05:58.239 --> 01:05:58.440 with me. 1331 01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:00.320 Well, thank you very much for having me. I had time. 1332 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.920 I enjoyed it all right, zee Man, welcome back to 1333 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:05.199 the Jay Burton Show. How are you doing? 1334 01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:07.920 I'm doing very well. Thank you for having me. I 1335 01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:10.920 apologize in advance if you hear some big loud noises. 1336 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:15.920 There's thunderstorms rumbling through the holler here and the Fortress 1337 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.039 of Solitude, so it could get kind of noisy, although 1338 01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:20.559 I don't know how if the mic picks it up 1339 01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:20.880 or none. 1340 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.119 Well, don't worry about it. As someone who lives relatively 1341 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.840 close to a very popular biker bar, there will almost 1342 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:32.079 assuredly be more noise in the background of my audio 1343 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:34.840 than yours as someone decides to peel out and they're 1344 01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:39.880 Hardley at eight pm on a weekend or a weekday. Anyway, 1345 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:44.280 I wanted to talk with you about the twenty twenty 1346 01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.960 four election. You know, I'm constantly recommending your show. It'll 1347 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:51.000 be linked in the description. I recommend people check it out, 1348 01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.559 and at the time of recording, your most recent episode 1349 01:06:55.280 --> 01:07:00.239 is on obviously the election, right Trump the Harris and 1350 01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:02.880 so when we were speaking earlier, you mentioned that the 1351 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:08.400 whole point of that piece was to sort of refocus 1352 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.559 the conversation about the election. Do you want to describe 1353 01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:13.119 your sort of thesis with. 1354 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:17.280 That, Yeah, I mean, well, first of all, we are 1355 01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:20.559 kind of in an interesting time, and that this is 1356 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:25.960 Harris people or whoever's behind it is trying to run 1357 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:30.679 what I think is the first purely internet election campaign 1358 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.039 where they're not trying to deal with reality, the reality 1359 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.159 of who she is as a physical human being who 1360 01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:41.079 has had a real history and all the other things 1361 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:45.159 that we associate with a living person in meat space. 1362 01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:47.000 But the same with Tim Waald. 1363 01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:49.880 You know, they're trying to ignore all that and instead 1364 01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:53.280 they're trying to run a campaign that's, you know, entirely 1365 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:56.480 on the Internet. These are two characters who have been reimagined. 1366 01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:59.679 It's it's kind of like how Hollywood reboots an old 1367 01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:02.199 French you know, this is the new version of you 1368 01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:05.559 know something, you know, the what was the last Star Wars? 1369 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.239 You know, the acolyte that I mean, it's actually a 1370 01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.679 pretty good analogy. She's the acolyte, you know, brought in 1371 01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:15.360 under old Joe Biden, you know, the old white guy, 1372 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:18.399 and she's gonna push him aside and take the role 1373 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.279 as the strong, diverse female. And yeah, I mean it 1374 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:23.680 really is kind of the campaign that they're running, and 1375 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.439 you get all the gas lighting with it, the fake 1376 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.600 polls and all the other stuff that comes with it. 1377 01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:31.319 But there was a time before the Internet where this 1378 01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:33.600 stuff sort of happened too, and they used to call 1379 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:35.960 it the silly season. It was just this period of 1380 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:40.840 just ridiculousness. You know, the best time for a presidential candidate, 1381 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:44.760 The best times they have are when they announced they're 1382 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:46.680 going to run because they're all full of hope and optimism. 1383 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.439 When they secure the nomination, that's a great time, and 1384 01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:53.359 then when they actually have their nominating convention. Well, Harris 1385 01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:55.479 had all this stuff packed into a month. You know, 1386 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:57.399 usually it's spread out of a long period of time, 1387 01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.119 so it was ups and downs, and this was all 1388 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.800 packed into a month, along with this massive internet gaslighting 1389 01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:08.239 operation that is very effective on people who spend all 1390 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:11.479 their time online. But for normal people who are out 1391 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:14.680 in the world, who are in the business world, or 1392 01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:19.920 you know, have friends in the real world who go outside, 1393 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:22.960 who you know, who actually know what reality is versus 1394 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:26.439 the internet this all see, I mean, it just comes 1395 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:30.079 off as rather strange and weird. But you know, even 1396 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:34.439 people who live normal lives outside of the Internet spend 1397 01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:37.560 time online, so they bump up against this stuff, and 1398 01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:40.880 you know, there's a real conflict there. And when you 1399 01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:44.479 look at the facts that matter though in an election, well, 1400 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.000 this internet campaign is probably not going to have a big, 1401 01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:50.239 big impact on it, it'll fade, it'll run its course. 1402 01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:54.279 We've seen this with things like the Ukraine War. We've 1403 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.720 seen it. We saw it with the whole Russian collusion stuff. 1404 01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:00.199 After a while people started to laugh at it, then 1405 01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.279 it became ridiculous and it went away. No one talks 1406 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.399 about it anymore. And I think that may actually happen 1407 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:10.000 with Harris. All of this big haullabaloo online is kind 1408 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.880 of gonna it's peaking too early. She's gonna crash and 1409 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.680 sometime I think they're having what debates in September something 1410 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.520 like that, you know, three four weeks from now. All 1411 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.920 this sugar high from the gas lighting campaign and the 1412 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:26.159 silly season, the excitement of having the new, diverse, strong 1413 01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.920 female character, that'll all fade away, and and and of 1414 01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:32.199 course what happens. You know, we've all done this where 1415 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:36.840 you have a you know, a big starchy, high carbohydrate diet, 1416 01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:39.159 you know, you know, meal rather and uh, you know, 1417 01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:41.560 you crash afterwards. And I think this will probably happen, 1418 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:43.960 and probably by the end of this month and a 1419 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:47.119 September we'll be back to reality and she will be 1420 01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:50.000 a long shot. Because look, it's really hard to sell 1421 01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:55.159 people on someone who is this odd and this unknown. 1422 01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:59.239 I mean, she's she's the high risk candidate. Oddly enough, 1423 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:02.560 Trump has become I'm the safe candidate, the safe choice choice. 1424 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:05.039 And if you're looking around and it's an uncertain world. 1425 01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:08.560 The economy is not great, you know, inflation is obviously 1426 01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.399 still a problem. You know, people are feeling people are 1427 01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:13.800 starting to really start to you know, to think about 1428 01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:18.479 their household budgets and their savings and the retirement. A 1429 01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:20.520 lot of people who are thinking about retirement. You think 1430 01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:22.560 about it, you got what twenty eight percent of the 1431 01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:25.720 population of the voting population, or technically baby boomers, and 1432 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:28.399 you're throwing my generation gen xers, so you're probably talking 1433 01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:31.119 thirty two thirty three percent or something like that. Well, 1434 01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:35.199 as you get older, you're less tolerant for uncertainty. So 1435 01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:37.760 as the population gets older, it gets more conservative. It 1436 01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:40.520 looks for the safer choice. And oddly enough, I mean 1437 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:42.239 it's kind of a musing in a way, but Trump 1438 01:11:42.319 --> 01:11:44.159 has become the safe choice. You know what you're going 1439 01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:47.319 to get with him. And so I mean, if if 1440 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:49.199 I were a betting person, or if I were you know, 1441 01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.239 if someone said, hey, hey, we're going to hire you 1442 01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:53.520 and you get a million dollars if you run the 1443 01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:55.319 campaign or help the campaign win. 1444 01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:56.119 Which side you. 1445 01:11:56.119 --> 01:11:57.720 Want to take, I'm going I think the Trump side, 1446 01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:00.920 because there's just so much more that he can do 1447 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:03.880 to win versus Harris. And I say this is someone 1448 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.640 I've all the you know, all the caveats about Trump 1449 01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.560 and democracy and what he can accomplish and all that stuff, 1450 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:11.600 just looking at this purely in the game that it 1451 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:15.039 is that you know, you know, in a couple of 1452 01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:17.079 weeks from now, we're all going to be thinking that, geez, 1453 01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:21.119 you know, Trump looks pretty good. And I think that's 1454 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:23.000 a you know, the way it's going to turn out. 1455 01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:25.439 And I'm not guaranteeing it because there's, you know, the 1456 01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:29.039 whole Shenanigans problem, but I think the Shenanigans problem may 1457 01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:31.760 turn out to be a bigger problem for Harrison for 1458 01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:34.960 Trump because I think I said in my show that 1459 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:37.359 if you look at what the hell is her name, 1460 01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:42.239 Karen Whitmer, Karen Gretchen Whitmerchen, I keep calling her Karen. 1461 01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:46.520 That's kind of funny, but whatever. 1462 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:46.840 It doesn't matter. 1463 01:12:47.359 --> 01:12:49.560 She has her eyes. On twenty twenty four, I thought, 1464 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:52.800 excuse me, twenty twenty eight. Josh Shapiro is thinking about 1465 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:56.439 twenty twenty eight. There's a lot of wealthy people who 1466 01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:01.680 have been developing Gavin Newsom for twenty eight and they 1467 01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:03.439 have you know, this is a lot of tech people, 1468 01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:06.279 a lot of old political money. 1469 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:07.199 You know. 1470 01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:10.079 So Harris losing might not be such a bad thing 1471 01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:11.279 for a lot of these people. 1472 01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:12.880 And that means that, you. 1473 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:18.800 Know, Gretchen Whitner and Josh Harris or Josh Harris, Josh Shapiro, well, 1474 01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:22.520 they might not have their their Shenanigans operation. They might 1475 01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:25.479 not fortify the election for democracy like they did in 1476 01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.960 twenty twenty because well might do this and this is 1477 01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:30.880 not an unusual thing. I don't know if I mentioned 1478 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:31.640 this in the show, but. 1479 01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:34.279 I gotcha. How long ago was this? 1480 01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:37.079 Scott Brown when he when Ted Kennedy dropped dead, they 1481 01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:40.279 had a special election in Massachusetts and Scott Brown won 1482 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:44.399 the election as a Republican who won the election and 1483 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:49.920 the reason was that the machines in Boston, Springfield, Worcester, Lowell, 1484 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.960 these were all Democratic mayors who ran the Democratic machine. 1485 01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:55.800 They sat it out. They didn't like the Democratic nominee. 1486 01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:59.359 They had personal reasons for it. They didn't put their 1487 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:03.279 their footstal out there. The Democrat loss. It was a 1488 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:06.880 huge upset the next election, though, which was, well, I've 1489 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:10.479 been let's see, Obama was already in the White House, 1490 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:12.960 so that would have been twenty twelve. So in twenty 1491 01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:15.359 twelve when they had Elizabeth Warren, you know, she had 1492 01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:19.000 a perfect zombie that they wanted. All the Democrats were 1493 01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.439 happy they put their foot soldiers out. She won an 1494 01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.960 a landslide. So it really tells you how institutional support 1495 01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:27.279 can make a huge difference. These guys can be real 1496 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:29.880 subtle about it and say, well, I don't know, it's 1497 01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:31.720 not really my best interest to help you out here, 1498 01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:34.960 so I'm not going to. And that's another thing that 1499 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:37.439 works in Trump's favor. I mean, she really has when 1500 01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:38.920 you look at all the states. I think I went 1501 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:40.520 through this, I went through all the different states and 1502 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:42.720 look at Poland. I mean, she's got to win them all. 1503 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:45.880 She's going to win. She's going to win Minnesota, which 1504 01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:47.800 I think she'll win. She's got to win Wisconsin, she's 1505 01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.239 got to win Michigan, she got to win Pennsylvania. She 1506 01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:52.600 has to win Virginia, which is no one's talking about 1507 01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:54.560 Virginia I keep bringing this up. You look at the 1508 01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:58.039 poles of Virginia. It's pretty much a dead heat, right Now, 1509 01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.880 that's a huge problem. There's a Republican governor there who 1510 01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:04.840 is already cracked down on the Shenanigans, clearing out the 1511 01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:08.239 phony voters and all that stuff. So she's she's going 1512 01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:09.960 to have she's got to win, you know, she's got 1513 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.279 to make the four cushion bank shot to win. 1514 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:17.239 And it's interesting you bring up Virginia, right, because as 1515 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:21.159 as a resident of the state, I've asked the same question, right, 1516 01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:23.880 why is no one talking about it? Now? Look, right, 1517 01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:27.520 you've you know, you've lived in the area. You're familiar 1518 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:31.520 with the fact that in northern Virginia is effectively a healthscape. 1519 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:32.199 Right. 1520 01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:35.960 It's kind of the start of the Northeast megalopolis. And 1521 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:39.760 they've also imported quite a lot of New Americans. 1522 01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:44.239 So, okay, twenty eight percent of the voters were far 1523 01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.079 and born, I think in twenty twenty. 1524 01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:48.079 And they were very proud of that fact. But if 1525 01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:51.880 you look at at Glenn Youngkin, right, Glenn Youngkin isn't 1526 01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:56.079 our type of guy, but he's a canty politician and 1527 01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:59.399 he's done a couple of things that have kind of 1528 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:01.880 showed that. Right. So one of the things is he's 1529 01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:08.800 massively revamped multiple government programs. Right, the DMV, the Department 1530 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:12.279 of Transportation, the state went all of those. Now also, right, 1531 01:16:12.640 --> 01:16:15.039 let's take that same kind of line of reasoning we 1532 01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:18.640 use towards Gresh and Wittmer. Right, what does this person, 1533 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:20.800 this governor, what do they have in mind for their 1534 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:24.760 political career? I mean, very very shortly after he was elected, 1535 01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.479 you heard the rumblings, Oh, you, young Kin's going to 1536 01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:29.520 run for president. Young Kin's going to run for president. 1537 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:33.479 I think he very wisely saw that Trump was going 1538 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.359 to be a force. He didn't make the mistake that 1539 01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:38.239 DeSantis made it right, which is to try and fight Trump, 1540 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:42.800 and he lost his political career for it effectively. Now again, 1541 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.560 four years of Trump, he's done. Now, admittedly young Kin 1542 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:48.920 will also be out of office by then. But if he 1543 01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.880 is not only you know, the man who is able 1544 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:55.840 to swing Virginia red, but also hand you know the 1545 01:16:55.960 --> 01:17:00.359 RNC those states. He's an incredible commanding role, right, very 1546 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:04.159 strong possibility for an eventual president. And look, I'm not 1547 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:07.239 saying that he is my favorite politician. You know, I 1548 01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:11.600 want him to succeed, and everythink he does. But it 1549 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:14.079 seems to me as if you know, all of these 1550 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:17.279 kind of individual players all find it in their best 1551 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.239 interest for Trump to win and not Kamola. 1552 01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:24.640 Yeah, I mean there's there's a lot of reasons, and 1553 01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:26.880 I think you know, you have to kind of think 1554 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.840 of politics and that you know, you have these sort 1555 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:33.119 of power centers if you will. You know, the tech money, 1556 01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:36.920 you tech money, it was mostly Indian money came in 1557 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:40.640 for Kamala Harrison twenty twenty, and they were very disappointed 1558 01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:43.279 with the results. She couldn't she couldn't attract flies. I mean, 1559 01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:45.520 if she was dead, she would have attract flies. She 1560 01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:48.159 was such a I mean, people forgot just how awful candidate. 1561 01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:48.520 She was. 1562 01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:49.840 Hilariously awful. 1563 01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:51.840 I mean, you know one of those candidates I kind 1564 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:55.119 of wanted to stick to stick around because the' just 1565 01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:55.920 been great material. 1566 01:17:56.000 --> 01:17:57.359 She would have been a blast. 1567 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.319 And you know, it's the tech money. You know, they're 1568 01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:05.319 looking at her and probably not all that enthusiastic. She's 1569 01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:07.720 just she's not really good. And she's also kind of 1570 01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:09.960 tangled up into the Clinton machine a little bit. She 1571 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:12.479 had a whole bunch of Clinton people working for and 1572 01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:14.840 then you have wall Street. I mean, she's talking about 1573 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:17.439 these crackpot ideas, but she sounds like Bernie Sanders. 1574 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:18.039 For goodness sake. 1575 01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:21.199 He's talking about taxing unrealized capital gains. That may be 1576 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:23.359 the dumbest idea I've ever heard in politics. I mean, 1577 01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:26.159 and look, I'm I'm the young guy. I have heard 1578 01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:29.439 a lot of incredibly stupid things. I was talking to 1579 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:32.359 someone today about this. You know, this was a normy, 1580 01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:36.159 someone who had probably voted for I would guess somebody 1581 01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:39.159 probably voted for Trump in twenty sixteen, but Biden in 1582 01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:41.239 twenty twenty, you know, because they you know, they just 1583 01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:43.920 kind of thought Trump was too mean and you know, 1584 01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.880 let's get back to normal and stuff. This person couldn't 1585 01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:49.760 stop talking to me about how idiotic that tax on 1586 01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:53.239 capital gains. They just they were so angry about it. 1587 01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:55.520 I mean that's the right word for it, angry. So 1588 01:18:55.640 --> 01:18:58.479 if you know regular normies are, can you imagine someone 1589 01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:01.520 who is who has a lot of capital gains to 1590 01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:04.119 deal with on a regular basis being wealthy people? I mean, 1591 01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:07.239 my goodness, you know, the sure they know that this 1592 01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:10.199 will never happen, but they don't want this idea to 1593 01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:14.119 get normalized. They want this idea to be anathematized. So 1594 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:17.119 you know, that group doesn't like her. But I think 1595 01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:21.359 institutional Washington also doesn't like her very much. There doesn't 1596 01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:23.119 seem to be a lot of enthusiasm, you know, the 1597 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:25.600 kinds of people who write for the New York Times, 1598 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:28.960 write for the Washington Post. If you read those people, 1599 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:32.920 the columnists, they're not really enthusiastic for Harris. The only 1600 01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:36.720 group that I've seen that's enthusiastic for Harris are the neocons. 1601 01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:40.279 But those guys are just nut jobs. They think that 1602 01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:42.399 this is an opportunity for them to continue, you know, 1603 01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.840 their crazy campaigns, and they hate Trump, so you really 1604 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.159 can't take them that serious. I mean, they have power, 1605 01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:49.920 but you know, you know, you have to kind of 1606 01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:53.439 qualify their support. But I really don't think that she 1607 01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:55.760 I mean, she just doesn't have a base. That's one 1608 01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:57.800 of the big problems that she's going to run into. 1609 01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:00.520 And a guy like Young Cain, who who is a 1610 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.359 super connected guy. I mean, this guy is not some 1611 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:07.760 you know guy from you know, a small town in Virginia. 1612 01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:11.720 I mean, this guy, he's very connected. And you know, 1613 01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.399 he also demonstrated that he has a good political antenna 1614 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.880 because he picked up on all the trouble in Loudun 1615 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.439 County and rode that to the governorship. And people forget 1616 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:23.800 that what happened there, that that revolt in Louden County. Now, 1617 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:27.720 I don't know if you know you live in Virginia. 1618 01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:30.680 Yes, I remember that story well that some of our 1619 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:31.359 viewers might not. 1620 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:34.039 Yeah, I mean you had all of a sudden, all 1621 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:37.000 the lunatics got ahold of the school board and started, 1622 01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:38.560 you know, doing all the stuff they wanted to do 1623 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:41.000 in schools, putting child porn in and having you know, 1624 01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:44.199 perverts there running around addresses, you know, all the it's 1625 01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:46.800 unbelievable that the kind of stuff they were that they 1626 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.119 want to do. But you know, these parents, you know, 1627 01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:54.119 middle aged white parents living in Louden County and you know, 1628 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:56.319 Lowdon County is one of these places. It's full of 1629 01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:59.039 a lot of people who've lived other places. It's not 1630 01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:01.640 you know, local for the most part. A lot of 1631 01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:04.079 them have government related jobs. You know, they're in a 1632 01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:07.079 private sector, but you know the company it either does 1633 01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:09.279 business with the government or does business with the government 1634 01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:13.520 contractor you know, and it's a very wealthy county. It's 1635 01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:15.520 I think Loldum County. It's in the top ten of 1636 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.319 wealthiest counties in the country. It's like number six or 1637 01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:21.880 something like that. But it's not it's not so wealthy 1638 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.159 as it's not full of rich people. It's full of 1639 01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:28.760 upper middle class people. And these people freaked out over 1640 01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:32.560 this stuff. They were fined with all the woke stuff 1641 01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.399 when it didn't touch them or touch their kids or 1642 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.640 a work person didn't try to touch their kids. But 1643 01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:42.359 as soon as it started coming into their community, they 1644 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.720 freaked out and and it turned into an issue that 1645 01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:52.319 you know that he could run on and with popular sport. 1646 01:21:52.359 --> 01:21:54.600 It was a populist issue in a way. And I 1647 01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:57.800 watched him, young kid. He really did trying to change 1648 01:21:57.800 --> 01:21:59.520 in a way. This is a guy who kind of 1649 01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:03.039 started to enjoy being a politician. It wasn't an abstraction 1650 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:05.600 for him. All of a sudden, he was getting, you know, 1651 01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:08.319 real cheers from the kind of people he could appreciate, 1652 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:11.399 you know what I mean. And and you know, it 1653 01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:13.560 wasn't canned speeches in front of canned audiences. All of 1654 01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:15.479 a sudden, He's you know, he felt like a man 1655 01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:17.079 of the people. He really did change a lot. And 1656 01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:20.880 I think, you know, this is a guy that the 1657 01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:23.840 people who actually run our country look at and say, 1658 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:27.560 this guy could be kind of the Trump without the 1659 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:29.600 trump Ism without Trump sort of thing, you know, the 1660 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:34.479 compromise on the whole populist versus establishment thing. So he'll 1661 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:37.319 get a lot of support with his efforts to try 1662 01:22:37.359 --> 01:22:40.279 and swing Virginia to to Trump. I mean that would 1663 01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:42.520 be huge, That would be enormous if you pulled that off. 1664 01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:45.039 I mean, this would be you know, because it would 1665 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:47.239 win the election. You know that that would win the 1666 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.840 election for Trump. And and of course Trump would be 1667 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:51.600 told that he has to you know, owes this guy. 1668 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:53.680 You know, so maybe put him in the cabinet or 1669 01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:55.880 something like that so he can get a high profile. 1670 01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:58.279 So you can kind of see the wheels turning for 1671 01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:01.319 a state like Virginia. But you know that there's other 1672 01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:03.640 states too. I mean, the Hampshire could be in play. 1673 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:06.000 That's a funny state. They have a lot of weirdos 1674 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.960 from Massachusetts who moved in and turned the state into 1675 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.720 a kind of a strange place. You talk to people 1676 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:13.960 who live in New Hampshire, you know they you know, 1677 01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:16.600 it's it's not that close it's like, I think a 1678 01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:19.000 five point state right now, four point state something like that. 1679 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:22.239 But you know, if the if the crazies aren't motivated, 1680 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:23.840 the Hampshire could be in play. I mean, it's a 1681 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:25.119 lot of I mean, it's one of those things you 1682 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:26.960 start looking at this, it's not hard to find a 1683 01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.560 scenario in which Trump actually has a really big night, 1684 01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:33.000 you know, election night. Oh you know, well, it all 1685 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:35.880 kind of breaks the same way. So I again to 1686 01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:37.760 go back to what originally said, you know, all this 1687 01:23:37.800 --> 01:23:40.239 stuff on the internet, all this this gas lighting campaign, 1688 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:41.920 he doesn't have to ignore it and look at the facts. 1689 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.159 If you if you're a betting man right now, you 1690 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:50.159 bet on Trump and the shenanigans that would be required 1691 01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:52.920 to beat him, and assuming he doesn't do anything stupid, 1692 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:55.720 it's going to be enormous that would They would take 1693 01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:59.199 an enormous amount of shenanigans and that could be a 1694 01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:04.159 bigger problem for the regime then having Trump win and 1695 01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:06.159 then have to deal with him for four years. You know, 1696 01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:08.479 I kept I mean, the mistake I always make is 1697 01:24:08.479 --> 01:24:12.199 thinking that crazy people are more reasonable than than they are. 1698 01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.640 But if I were, if I were advising the people 1699 01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:17.439 who actually run the country. I'd say, you know what, 1700 01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:20.960 let Trump win, cut whatever deal you can cut with him. 1701 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:23.439 He'll be gone in four years and you can start 1702 01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:28.239 over with whoever you want. That would be the smart play. 1703 01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:34.600 Going back to your point about Kamala not having a base, Look, 1704 01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:38.720 you know, conservatives are never particularly creative, right, And one 1705 01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:40.920 of the things that they have kind of grabbed onto 1706 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:45.159 is this idea that Kamala has, should we say, an 1707 01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:49.119 ever shifting perception of her own ethnicity. Right, she's Indian, 1708 01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:52.840 she's black whenever. It's kind of convenient and obviously right. 1709 01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:56.760 You don't need to be particularly into politics to realize 1710 01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.760 that Black Americans as a voting block go massively for 1711 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:01.560 the Democrats. 1712 01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:01.960 Right. 1713 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:06.319 And one of the problems with this election in twenty 1714 01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:10.600 twenty four is, while certainly Black Americans will continue to 1715 01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:16.319 go for the Democrats, they don't seem to like Kamala 1716 01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:20.399 in like in relate in proportion to how they like 1717 01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:23.640 other Democrats, and they like Trump more than they like 1718 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:26.600 other Republicans. And look, I'm not saying that the Republicans 1719 01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:29.279 are going to break that demographic right, they're going to 1720 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:32.760 become the party of black people. I think that's completely impossible. 1721 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:37.279 But you see that same pattern of Kamala failing to 1722 01:25:37.359 --> 01:25:41.239 appeal to core parts of the Democratic base over and 1723 01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:45.800 over again. Right, Another clear example is Muslims. Right, Muslims 1724 01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:49.319 see her by virtue of being associated with Joe Biden 1725 01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:52.960 as being overly sympathetic to Israel. Right, that might not 1726 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:57.119 be the position that you or I take, but again, right, 1727 01:25:57.159 --> 01:26:00.439 that is a valuable voting block in a place like Michigan, 1728 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:03.920 even on a bigger level. Right, we talked earlier about 1729 01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:08.239 her kind of idiotic proposal to tax unrealized capital games, which, 1730 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:09.680 for those who aren't kind of up to date on 1731 01:26:10.000 --> 01:26:13.039 what that means, basically, if you have an asset and 1732 01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:15.960 it appreciates while you own it, you haven't sold it, 1733 01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:20.000 you will be taxed on that unrealized game. Right, if 1734 01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:22.560 your house goes up one hundred thousand dollars, even if 1735 01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:26.079 you haven't sold it, you'll have to pay taxes on it. So, okay, 1736 01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:29.479 there's the moneyed interests. There is you know, multiple minority groups. 1737 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:31.640 And then also you know, as we saw at the 1738 01:26:32.079 --> 01:26:37.119 DNC in Chicago, the Street movement, right, the kind of 1739 01:26:37.159 --> 01:26:40.239 like protest wing of the party who's very, very concerned 1740 01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:44.399 with Israel Palestine. They are also displeased with her. And 1741 01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:47.960 really it seems like the only demographic that loves Kamala 1742 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:52.039 Harris is a terminally online progressive women. 1743 01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:57.600 Yeah, you know that's and of course the consulting class. 1744 01:26:57.640 --> 01:26:59.840 You know, she's raised a you know, she'll have a 1745 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.439 billion or so dollars to spend on political consultants. 1746 01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:03.399 So they love it. 1747 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:07.640 You know, people don't realize, you know that there's really 1748 01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:10.760 a whole industry, particularly like polling. You know, the polling guys. 1749 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:12.079 You know, this is the time of the year. They 1750 01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:14.680 make a lot of money to sell these ridiculous pols, 1751 01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:18.000 these people, you know, so you know, those people love her, 1752 01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:20.800 you know, in a way that you know, professional Washington 1753 01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:24.840 versus official Washington. You know, they always they love both 1754 01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:26.640 candidates in a way. Well, they don't love Trump, but 1755 01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.640 you know, typically love both candidates. But you know, her 1756 01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:33.720 problem with the race issue is interesting because she's not 1757 01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:36.159 black in the way in which Americans think of it. 1758 01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:38.800 You know, I spent my life around black people, and 1759 01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:41.960 I lived in Baltimore for twenty years, and that they 1760 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.680 would not look at her as black. Now they would 1761 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:47.800 look at Obama. They would understand that Obama. They can 1762 01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:49.880 let me put it this way. They would look past 1763 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:53.760 Obama being probably not, you know, black in the sense 1764 01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:58.960 that his ancestors were slaves, but he married a black woman, 1765 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:04.520 and he is kind of the ideal black guys. That's 1766 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:07.600 what he was presented at. Sort of this you know, 1767 01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:10.560 you know you see at Denzel Washington. You know, he 1768 01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:12.880 was that kind of guy, and this is a model 1769 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:15.560 they had created, they had tested. It goes back. I 1770 01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:18.840 think I did mention this in another show. There was 1771 01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:21.000 a guy named Kurt Schmoke back in the nineteen eighties. 1772 01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:23.560 He was like the prototype for Obama, and they kind 1773 01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:26.279 of worked out all the bugs in how to market 1774 01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:31.039 this sort of suave, well spoken, sophisticated sort of black guy, 1775 01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:34.479 the kind of guy that back in the seventies, you know, 1776 01:28:34.600 --> 01:28:39.000 he would have been drinking cold forty five, but in 1777 01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:42.239 this age he's drinking Kvasier. You know, he's that kind 1778 01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:47.560 of black guy, and that super excited black women because 1779 01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:49.560 black women looked at him and saw that he was 1780 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:52.199 married to sort of a prototypical black woman. I mean 1781 01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:54.119 she kind of looks, you know, she's not a good 1782 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:58.039 looking woman. Well, they love this because It allowed them 1783 01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:01.319 to feel as if, hey, you know what, that's attainable 1784 01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:01.560 for me. 1785 01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:03.479 And that's why the. 1786 01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:06.720 Whole Obama thing worked, even though he wasn't really authentically black. 1787 01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:10.359 Harris doesn't have that. She's married to a Jewish guy. 1788 01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:13.319 She didn't have any kids, which is very weird. Black 1789 01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:15.760 women look at this black woman, her age, with no kids. 1790 01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.840 They just do not understand how in the world you 1791 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:21.159 can try and pretend this is a black woman. And 1792 01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:23.399 of course, you know she might do a Jewish guy, 1793 01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.520 you know, and she's half Indian and half Jamaican or whatever. 1794 01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:29.960 It just doesn't work. It was one of the really 1795 01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:34.159 great things about Trump at that Black Journalist event. I 1796 01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:37.439 laughed so hard watching it, and the crowd laughed. They 1797 01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:41.359 were roaring, because you know, he understands. Trump's been around 1798 01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:43.319 a lot of black people. He used to hang out 1799 01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:48.359 with No Guy, the boxing promoter Don King. He used 1800 01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.079 to hang around with, Oh, what the heck is a 1801 01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:54.920 guy's name? The sort of mister hanky looking black dude 1802 01:29:54.920 --> 01:29:57.199 who's on TV. Used to be what the heck is 1803 01:29:57.239 --> 01:29:59.399 his name? That doesn't matter anymore, but you know, he 1804 01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:04.399 was a street act of his uh, the Reverend Al yes, 1805 01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:07.800 Al Sharpton, Yeah, that was a great story about Trump 1806 01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:11.640 picking up Don King and they brought Al Sharpton along 1807 01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:15.520 and Al Sharpton Trump picked him up. His helicopter was 1808 01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:17.399 taking him to Atlantic City for a fight or something 1809 01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:20.600 like that, and Al Sharpton started talking out of turn, 1810 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:22.960 and Don King said, Hey, it wouldn't be a problem 1811 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:27.279 if we threw you out of the helicopter. I mean, Trump, 1812 01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:30.079 Trump understands how black people think. He's been around black 1813 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:32.720 people's whole life. He understands it. So what he's set 1814 01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:35.359 up there, and he the way he talked about how 1815 01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:40.439 she we he said it suddenly she's a black person. 1816 01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:45.079 And the way he enunciated black person. Everybody cracked up 1817 01:30:45.119 --> 01:30:48.439 because they understood exactly what he was saying. And I 1818 01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:51.119 mean I thought it was hilarious too. But black people 1819 01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:53.000 are not going to be excited for her. It's just 1820 01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:55.520 not going to happen, you know, not what she is. 1821 01:30:55.560 --> 01:31:02.159 She's strong, diverse female character from every bad Hollywood film, 1822 01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.720 you know, all these terrible Hollywood films where they you know, 1823 01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:07.199 they find they're going to take something and you know, 1824 01:31:07.560 --> 01:31:09.800 and make the protagonist instead of being a man, which 1825 01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:13.600 it should be into you know, strong diverse I assuming 1826 01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:16.880 a strong female. It's going to in an animate ever, 1827 01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:18.680 once in a while you have strong diverse female. I 1828 01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:20.760 think I mentioned the acolyte, which I never. 1829 01:31:20.640 --> 01:31:22.800 I haven't seen. I've just seen all the videos making 1830 01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:23.319 fun of it. 1831 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:25.760 But that's what she is. She's the acolyte. She's this 1832 01:31:26.039 --> 01:31:31.760 really crappy reinvention, the sort of feminist, heavily online feminist 1833 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:36.680 reinvention you know, of a of a Barack Obama basically, 1834 01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:38.840 you know, and trying to sell thee that way. And 1835 01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:41.239 it's just not going to work. I mean, Black people 1836 01:31:41.279 --> 01:31:42.800 are not going to get all excited. I mean, they'll 1837 01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:47.239 vote ninety for Harris, but they won't vote in huge numbers. 1838 01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:50.319 They're not going to be turning out in record numbers 1839 01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:53.000 like they did for Obama or for for Biden, and 1840 01:31:53.119 --> 01:31:55.600 that uh, you know, I mean Joe Biden, for all 1841 01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:58.199 his faults, he actually did a very good job courting 1842 01:31:58.279 --> 01:31:59.960 the black vote. And they did a good job selling 1843 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:03.600 them as you know, this a good white you know, 1844 01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:06.920 for for the black people. And uh and of course 1845 01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:09.199 you know, they had spent four years telling black people 1846 01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:11.920 that Trump was secretly going to bring back slavery. So 1847 01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:14.600 you know, it worked, but it's not going to work now. 1848 01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:18.760 I you know, I'm I would not be surprised, And 1849 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:20.960 I keep coming back to this, and I don't want to, like, 1850 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:23.319 you know, I don't like to make predictions. But the 1851 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:25.680 more I talk about this stuff, the more I convince 1852 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:29.680 myself that Trump could actually win pretty handily. You know, 1853 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.640 a month from now, we might be talking about this 1854 01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:34.039 an entirely different way. We might be talking about in 1855 01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:38.760 a big victory. Because Kamala Harris doesn't have a natural base. 1856 01:32:39.439 --> 01:32:42.520 She has she has the poorest political instincts I've ever seen. 1857 01:32:43.720 --> 01:32:46.439 She is a simpleton, for sure. You know, there's a 1858 01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:50.279 video floating around today where she is talking about climate 1859 01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:53.800 change and what she says, and this is a carefully 1860 01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:58.640 scripted interview with CNN is jobber walking. It's it's nonsense words, 1861 01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:01.760 it's there's no You couldn't listen to what she said 1862 01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:04.479 and come away with any meaning at all. And at 1863 01:33:04.479 --> 01:33:06.000 a certain point that just it. 1864 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:06.640 Becomes too much. 1865 01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:09.239 You know, there's too much that they've got to there's 1866 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:13.199 too much weight in that in that sack to pull 1867 01:33:13.239 --> 01:33:17.760 it up the hill, even with all the shenanigans. 1868 01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:22.119 I think there's one other problem with this, which is 1869 01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:26.359 that Kamala Harris has to you know, spread this uncomfortable 1870 01:33:26.399 --> 01:33:29.840 needle of on one hand both you know, lauding her 1871 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:36.960 accomplishments as the vice president, while also effectively running against 1872 01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:39.920 that record because you know, by any objective standard, the 1873 01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:44.720 Joe Biden presidency has been just an out and out disaster. Right. Obviously, 1874 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:48.880 foreign policy isn't normally a huge determinant in American elections, 1875 01:33:48.920 --> 01:33:52.760 but I mean that's not gone well. The economy that 1876 01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:55.760 that's not gone well. And so you know, by by 1877 01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:58.199 any one of these traditional kind of bell weathers, right, 1878 01:33:58.239 --> 01:34:02.039 these issues that are often cited for the success or 1879 01:34:02.319 --> 01:34:06.199 the failure of a campaign, Well, the Biden years were 1880 01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:10.960 a disaster. And I think it's very very difficult to say, well, yes, 1881 01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:16.000 I was a fully competent vice president, the best vice president, right, 1882 01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:19.520 the first woman of color. But also things are going 1883 01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:22.000 to be completely different under me. I think that that's 1884 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:26.199 a very difficult position to sell, and it's doubly difficult 1885 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:29.159 if you are an absolute incompetent moron. 1886 01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:34.640 Yeah, you know, you know, vice presidents don't do well 1887 01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:40.920 following their boss. Al Gore ran in two thousand and 1888 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:44.119 he lost against a pretty terrible George Bush. George Brush 1889 01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:47.800 was a very good candidate. He wasn't a great speaker, 1890 01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:50.000 and you know, he was a guy who was sort 1891 01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:52.119 of you know, they cleared the field for him, so 1892 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:55.960 he didn't really have to be tested. And Gore lost 1893 01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:59.000 because he had this problem that every vice president has, 1894 01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:02.399 and that is, on the one hand, he really can't 1895 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:05.800 take credit for the good times because he just stood 1896 01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:08.319 around and went to funerals. I mean, everybody knows that 1897 01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:11.399 vice president doesn't do anything. And on the other hand, 1898 01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:12.840 you know, he has to try and be his own man, 1899 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.279 which ultimately means saying that, well, I'm going to be 1900 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:18.600 different than my boss. So in good times, you're running 1901 01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:22.319 against the good times. It just becomes a contradiction. Is 1902 01:35:22.359 --> 01:35:25.760 very difficult to overcome. The one exception was nineteen eighty 1903 01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:27.079 eight when George. 1904 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:28.199 Bush, he ran. 1905 01:35:28.399 --> 01:35:30.640 His basic campaign was hey, I'm going to keep the 1906 01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:33.319 good times rolling because it was really good times and 1907 01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:35.159 it was so good that people said, yeah, you know, 1908 01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:40.800 let's keep it going. And of course the Democrats also ran. 1909 01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:45.000 I would say, up to this point, the worst candidate 1910 01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:49.319 I've ever seen, I mean, Mike Ducaccus was hilariously bad. 1911 01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:49.960 I mean he was. 1912 01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:52.560 I mean even left wing people made fun of him, 1913 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:54.199 and Saturday at Live used to make fun of him 1914 01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:56.920 all the time. So, I mean, you know, there was 1915 01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:59.960 a lot lot of things fell in place. But generally speaking, 1916 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:03.399 vice presidents don't win. You know, they might become president 1917 01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:07.800 through death or resignation or something like that, but you know, 1918 01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:11.319 they don't typically do very well because you know, it's 1919 01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:13.840 at that contradiction you you have to be your own person, 1920 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:15.359 but you at the same time you have to try 1921 01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:19.640 and cling onto your boss's record, and it's a hard sell. 1922 01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:22.479 And the problem that she has is that right now, 1923 01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:25.399 the sort of thing that hangs over all of this 1924 01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:30.399 like a fog is the concern about the decreasing competence 1925 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:34.279 we see. We see it everywhere. I run into this 1926 01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:38.359 in my business life all the time. People constantly are 1927 01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:42.520 talking about this problem of finding competent people and or 1928 01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:46.920 dealing with competent people. It's a huge problem. You know, 1929 01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:49.600 I've been writing about the crisis of competence for ten 1930 01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:53.039 years now and it's not getting better. And it shows 1931 01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:55.720 up in people's radar when they see that. You know, 1932 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:59.640 people train changing tires at an airport on my Boeing 1933 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:02.600 Airport plane the tire explodes and kills two of them, 1934 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:04.840 or the bowing airplane the doors fall off of it 1935 01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:08.119 in mid flight. You know, this stuff keeps happening. You know, 1936 01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:11.399 it's part of what has really plagued the Biden administration 1937 01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:14.159 because back when they tried to get out of Afghanistan, 1938 01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:17.319 which everybody thought was a good idea, they took what 1939 01:37:17.439 --> 01:37:19.399 should have been a simple thing and screwed it up, 1940 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:21.560 and it just kind of reminded people, Yeah, it's just 1941 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:25.000 we are all the people in charge are screw ups. 1942 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:30.800 And Harris is now running in this atmosphere where people 1943 01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:32.960 are concerned about the lack of competence. It's on the 1944 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:34.800 gallop pole. I think I talked about it in the 1945 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:38.479 show last week, and I know I've written about it. 1946 01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:41.760 It's there's a it's like the number three item general competence. 1947 01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:45.199 People are concerned that their government, that people in charge 1948 01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:46.359 are idiots. 1949 01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:47.439 Well that you. 1950 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:51.000 Run a woman who is, first of all, she repeatedly 1951 01:37:51.039 --> 01:37:53.560 lied about the mental competence of her boss, and now 1952 01:37:53.600 --> 01:37:55.920 she can't string a sentence together to save her life. 1953 01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:58.880 It's just a really tough environment for you know, in 1954 01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:02.800 a lot of ways. You know, the reason that no 1955 01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:04.600 one else through their hat in the ring to run 1956 01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:07.159 this time is they all saw that this this was 1957 01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:09.520 just awful right now, you know, to run as a Democrat. 1958 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:13.760 I think I compared her to gerald Ford in nineteen 1959 01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:17.000 seventy six. You know, she she got the same problem. 1960 01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:20.159 You know, she kind of she didn't win the opportunity 1961 01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:23.479 and that look that weighs on people's mind. She was selected, 1962 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:25.840 they engineered her into this. She didn't have to run 1963 01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:30.199 in primaries, and you know, her boss is out of favor, 1964 01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:33.560 and you know she's at the same time though, she's 1965 01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:35.319 got to try to defend it, and you know, she's 1966 01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:37.680 got all these problems and it's a compressed campaign. And 1967 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:39.760 of course, you know gerald Ford had the problem is 1968 01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:42.119 that he didn't have a constituency either. There was really 1969 01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:45.960 nobody that was willing to say, yeah, he's our guy. 1970 01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:49.880 And and I think that's what Harris is struggling with 1971 01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:53.079 right now, is that, you know, this media campaign is great, 1972 01:38:53.119 --> 01:38:54.520 it's fantastic, it works really well. 1973 01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:55.159 It's cheap. 1974 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:57.560 It didn't you know, it doesn't cost a ton of money, 1975 01:38:58.239 --> 01:39:01.479 it's effective, it won the Internet for thirty days or 1976 01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:06.199 whatever it's been. But when she gets back to you know, 1977 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:09.880 when the campaign moves from the Internet back to the 1978 01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:12.439 meat space, that all these problems are still there. They 1979 01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:15.920 haven't gone away. 1980 01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:19.359 I think that you're you're right. You know, this kind 1981 01:39:19.359 --> 01:39:23.359 of insane media push, right, And it's kind of funny 1982 01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:26.279 I keep talking about them because even a month later, 1983 01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:28.079 they sound so incredibly out of touch. 1984 01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:28.880 Right. 1985 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:33.439 The whole Kamala is brat jd Vance's weird saga, right, 1986 01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:38.039 which are hopefully sentences that will become increasingly incomprehensible to 1987 01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:40.039 viewers as they get kind of further and further into 1988 01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:43.279 the future. But there was nothing to it, right, It 1989 01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:47.079 was pure media spin. The message behind both of those 1990 01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:50.880 is basically, it's high school girls stuff. It's right, we're cool. 1991 01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:53.680 The people we don't like are gross weirdos. That's it, 1992 01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:59.520 And okay, right, let's game that out. Four weeks later, 1993 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:05.680 that's vanished, right, like vapor in this bump Kamala had. Well, first, 1994 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:09.680 she has a big dip after the DNC. The DNC 1995 01:40:09.960 --> 01:40:12.520 was a disaster, you know, and I'm not saying that 1996 01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:16.199 as a partisan. Look, I've never voted in a presidential election, 1997 01:40:16.319 --> 01:40:18.760 I will vote for Trump this time. It would be 1998 01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:21.840 my first vote. I'm not a maga person. But it 1999 01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:25.039 was a disaster. And now, actually, just today, we've reached 2000 01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:28.159 the inflection point. Right, it has gone back to exactly 2001 01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:30.680 what it was before that push. And don't get me wrong, 2002 01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:34.960 right that the Democratic Party controls the media, maybe not explicitly, 2003 01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:38.720 but they call the shots, so they can keep doing that. 2004 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.239 But I think there's the core problem that Kamala is 2005 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:50.800 a genuinely horrible candidate. Someone it slightly her running wall 2006 01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:53.960 is that his name? Yeah, Okay, I always say it 2007 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:59.039 wrong because I have no pre existing thoughts about him whatsoever. 2008 01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:02.239 But he's kind of an interesting figure because he really 2009 01:41:02.479 --> 01:41:09.359 is the progressive vision of what a good white guy is. Right. 2010 01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:11.439 You know, they did this video together where they're they're 2011 01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:14.960 kind of in a very scripted manner joking around, and 2012 01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:17.800 you know, they go through the kind of traditional white 2013 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.520 guy joke that you've heard. I mean, he was hackneyed 2014 01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:23.159 thirty years ago. Right. Oh, I'm a white guy from 2015 01:41:23.159 --> 01:41:26.039 the Midwest. I put mayonnaise on my tacos. I don't 2016 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:29.840 like spicy food. I mean, it's effectively a minstrel show 2017 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:34.920 for white people. Right, he's jugging and jiving to uh, 2018 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.880 you know, appeal to his master's. Right. You see the 2019 01:41:37.880 --> 01:41:41.359 same thing with you know him out in the field, right, 2020 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:44.039 you know he's a hunter. And then look like, I 2021 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:45.960 don't want to get too into kind of gun autism, 2022 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:47.960 but if you look at the gun, it's like an 2023 01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:52.800 incredibly heavy, incredibly expensive, like ten thousand dollars trap shooting shotgun. 2024 01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:53.439 Yeah for. 2025 01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:59.920 All you'd used to go shoot ducks. Right, When you 2026 01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:02.800 dig even further, it's it's very clear that one this 2027 01:42:02.880 --> 01:42:07.279 guy has no appeal whatsoever. But two he really is 2028 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:10.359 like the ideal version of what a white man's is 2029 01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:13.359 supposed to be in kind of modern progress of America, right, 2030 01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:17.079 a torch bearer for you know, a younger, kind of 2031 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:21.439 more diverse candidate. And I just don't see him him 2032 01:42:21.479 --> 01:42:22.239 going anywhere. 2033 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:27.119 Yeah, it's funny. I mean, I've been calling him Elmer 2034 01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:30.079 Fudd for a while. But it's interesting about this whole 2035 01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:34.399 how they marketed him in Minnesota way back when I'm 2036 01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:37.000 pretty sure it was Mark Warner ran for Senate, or 2037 01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:39.119 maybe he ran for governor. Maybe it ran for governor 2038 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:42.359 in Virginia. He was governor right in Virginia. I think 2039 01:42:42.359 --> 01:42:43.760 he had been governed as he was. 2040 01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:46.680 He also had the uh this is just an anecdote. 2041 01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:50.520 He has the honor of having quite possibly the best 2042 01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:54.039 election song ever, which I cannot play. But he basically 2043 01:42:54.119 --> 01:42:55.680 just got a bunch of good old boys to write 2044 01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:58.560 him a bluegrass song. It's actually pretty good. But anyway 2045 01:42:58.600 --> 01:42:58.920 back to you. 2046 01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:04.520 Well, I was doing business in Virginia and I a 2047 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:08.800 business local business guy, well I mean super connected business guy, 2048 01:43:09.199 --> 01:43:12.279 super connected in the Democratic Party, and and uh, he 2049 01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:13.920 and I he took me for a ride to see 2050 01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:16.199 some of his properties he was developing or something like that. 2051 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:19.960 And in the backseat of his car he had all this, uh, 2052 01:43:20.279 --> 01:43:23.640 the samples of promotional material that they were going to 2053 01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:27.560 use for the Warner campaign. And it had him posing 2054 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:30.439 in the Elmer Fudd costume out in the field with 2055 01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:32.960 the shotgun. And I think he had there was one 2056 01:43:33.159 --> 01:43:35.199 where he's sitting there, you know, he's got plays Ora 2057 01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:36.800 and Joe and he's got his dog with. 2058 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:39.760 Him and then you know all that kind of stuff, right, And. 2059 01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:42.800 I forgot the guy. There was a guy I forgot 2060 01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:45.520 his name, some sort of consultant. He was really kind 2061 01:43:45.560 --> 01:43:47.960 of an eccentric guy. It was his idea, you know 2062 01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:51.199 that they're going to sell you know, they're going to 2063 01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:55.720 trick the good old boys, you know, Republican voters with this, 2064 01:43:55.720 --> 01:44:00.199 this costume act, this you know, presentation, and I mean 2065 01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:03.359 obviously it worked, but they tried doing it later to 2066 01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:07.199 what two thousand and four with John Carrey, they dressed 2067 01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:09.279 him up as Elmer Fudd, and of course it didn't 2068 01:44:09.279 --> 01:44:12.079 work because John John Carrey was just terrible at it. 2069 01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.079 But they keep doing the Elmer Fudd act because it 2070 01:44:15.199 --> 01:44:19.279 worked back in the Bush years. It worked as a 2071 01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:22.960 way to kind of undermine conservative support in certain rural areas. 2072 01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:24.760 I mean it worked once, you know, it's like every 2073 01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:26.720 other trick. It works once you get full, you know, 2074 01:44:26.840 --> 01:44:29.039 fall for it again. But apparently they pulled this with 2075 01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:33.359 Walls in Minnesota. I started laughing because that one picture 2076 01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:35.439 they had him in his Elmer Fudd outfit with his 2077 01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:40.199 you know, ten thousand dollars shotgun. You know, you look 2078 01:44:40.199 --> 01:44:42.239 at this them like pait a second. I'm pretty sure 2079 01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:44.840 that was the picture they used for Warner. And I 2080 01:44:44.880 --> 01:44:47.840 went online trying to find any old Warner you know, 2081 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.960 campaign stuff, but I didn't find it so, but it 2082 01:44:51.079 --> 01:44:55.119 just kind of tells you the people behind this they're 2083 01:44:55.159 --> 01:44:59.079 extremely devious. They think about how to trick people. It's 2084 01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:02.119 all about, you know, coming up with some new narrative, 2085 01:45:02.159 --> 01:45:04.600 some new character, some new way to deceive the public. 2086 01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:08.880 And it's all kind of coalesced into this really fantastical 2087 01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:13.479 Harris Walls campaign because you know, the real Walls, he's like, 2088 01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:18.119 he's like eighty percent of the Walls that you know 2089 01:45:18.119 --> 01:45:20.800 that they sold the people in Minnesota. Yeah, he was 2090 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:23.520 in the military. Well he wasn't in a war zone. 2091 01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:26.239 You know, he kept always kind of saying things that 2092 01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:28.760 make it make you think that he was in combat. 2093 01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:32.640 Well it turns out that never happened. You know, you know, 2094 01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:35.560 he wasn't really that guy he'll say to people, well 2095 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:37.920 as an old football coach. Well it turned out he 2096 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.079 volunteered for a year or two. He wasn't really a 2097 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:43.079 football coach. You know. It's everything about this guy is 2098 01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:47.000 kind of like this, and you know, the pre of 2099 01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:49.159 course bringing him on a national stage. Now people look 2100 01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:51.199 into this and you know you can kind of see it. 2101 01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:54.720 But but Walls, Walls is just an odd guy because 2102 01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:59.600 he's like Evid French He's like, there's this weird sort 2103 01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:03.920 of old white guy that you I run into, not 2104 01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:08.680 regularly but on occasion. In that you know, it's almost 2105 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:12.279 like they hate themselves. You know, they they embrace all 2106 01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:17.239 these old white women politics, but there were a white dude. 2107 01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:17.319 You know. 2108 01:46:18.119 --> 01:46:20.560 You know, they they you know, they grasp into all 2109 01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:24.640 this really crazy liberal stuff. And I just don't know 2110 01:46:24.640 --> 01:46:27.199 how these people, I just I just don't understand them. 2111 01:46:27.239 --> 01:46:28.920 I mean, what's the point of this? Why did they 2112 01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:31.279 do this? How do they find this personally fulfilling? I mean, 2113 01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:33.600 I understand a guy like Walls. You know, maybe he 2114 01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:36.199 had to do it to win election in Minnesota. Maybe 2115 01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:38.279 I don't know, but apparently he was doing this act 2116 01:46:38.279 --> 01:46:42.520 before he ran got into politics. So he's just an 2117 01:46:42.520 --> 01:46:44.159 odd guy. You know, men look at a guy like 2118 01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:46.760 Walls and say, that's not a guy you can ever trust. 2119 01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:47.039 You know. 2120 01:46:47.199 --> 01:46:51.720 That's he's very off putting to normal males. Maybe he 2121 01:46:51.720 --> 01:46:53.920 plays well with females. I don't know. But that's the 2122 01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:56.680 problem with this campaign, though, is if you have a 2123 01:46:56.800 --> 01:47:00.680 vice president who plays to the same audience that Kamala 2124 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:06.880 Harris is playing too, there's very narrow, excessively online unmarried, 2125 01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:08.000 childless female. 2126 01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:09.600 Well you're not. 2127 01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:12.239 You know, you're not going to win an election based 2128 01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:13.199 on that demographic. 2129 01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:19.399 I think that there's and maybe this is too tinfoil 2130 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:22.119 hat so so feel free to call me on it. 2131 01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:26.239 But I have some some contacts in the finance world, right, 2132 01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:29.319 you know, very influential guys, and you know, one of 2133 01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:33.039 the things they've talked about is that you know, there's 2134 01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:37.479 likely to be sort of a worsening recession over the 2135 01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:40.279 next over the short term, right, we're not talking mad Max, 2136 01:47:40.359 --> 01:47:45.039 but things becoming uncomfortable. Right, that trend will continue probably 2137 01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:48.319 to you know, kind of a pain point. And you know, 2138 01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:50.640 this guy was saying one of his theories is that 2139 01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:55.359 basically the Democrats don't want twenty twenty four or they 2140 01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:58.159 don't want twenty Yeah, they don't want this election because 2141 01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:00.520 there's a likelihood that the economy kind of up and 2142 01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:03.199 you know, the president's face, and they don't want to 2143 01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:07.079 be the one you're holding the back and you know, Okay, 2144 01:48:07.239 --> 01:48:10.159 maybe you don't believe that, but to me, it does 2145 01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:12.560 seem like kind of similarly to what you saw with 2146 01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:16.239 the Conservatives in the UK, that the Democrats don't seem 2147 01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:20.800 to be trying their hardest for this election, and I 2148 01:48:20.800 --> 01:48:23.399 think one of the leading indicators of that is look 2149 01:48:23.439 --> 01:48:27.319 at the candidate quality. Like, look, I hate Hillary Clinton, right, 2150 01:48:27.319 --> 01:48:30.920 She's a horrible person, but she's an a lister, right, 2151 01:48:31.239 --> 01:48:33.680 that name has been around for a while. You know, 2152 01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:36.279 she's she can generate a lot of heat. Same thing 2153 01:48:36.279 --> 01:48:39.560 with Joe Biden, Right, Joe Biden's been around forever. But 2154 01:48:39.680 --> 01:48:42.800 Kamala Harris and Tim Wallas, like these are backbenchers, right, 2155 01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:46.520 These aren't real serious hitters. Do you think there's anything 2156 01:48:46.600 --> 01:48:46.840 to that? 2157 01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:50.840 Yeah, I mean I think you know, you know this, 2158 01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:53.239 it's kind of you know, there's a life cycle to 2159 01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:57.760 a cycle within a party. You know that Back in 2160 01:48:58.199 --> 01:49:01.760 say the nineteen seventies, and I mean I wasn't around then, 2161 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:06.960 but you know, the energy was all in this conservative 2162 01:49:07.039 --> 01:49:09.840 movement that was building up within the Republican Party. They 2163 01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:13.239 had all these really great candidates and great public speakers 2164 01:49:13.239 --> 01:49:15.560 and intellectuals and all this stuff, and then it burst 2165 01:49:15.600 --> 01:49:18.279 into the scene in the nineteen eighties. But it also 2166 01:49:18.520 --> 01:49:26.640 did this at a time when the left was exhausted intellectually, emotionally, generationally. 2167 01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:28.439 You know, a lot of the candidates that were running 2168 01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:33.000 were really just incredibly awful. People forget this stuff. I mean, 2169 01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:37.680 I remember Walter Mondale being the presidential candidate. I mean, 2170 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:40.119 you would rather galge your own eyes out and rip 2171 01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:43.199 your ears off than sit and watch more Walter Mondale 2172 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:47.680 talk about anything. It was just awful, and it was 2173 01:49:48.079 --> 01:49:50.560 they had the same problem. But then the Republicans had 2174 01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:52.800 this problem. They ran out of gas too, you know, 2175 01:49:52.840 --> 01:49:56.079 they didn't have anybody. So there is kind of a 2176 01:49:56.800 --> 01:50:00.119 seesaw effect here between the parties, and right now the 2177 01:50:00.119 --> 01:50:03.359 the Democrats are down for sure, but I also think 2178 01:50:03.479 --> 01:50:06.159 that we're in a sort of an end cycle here, 2179 01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:11.399 this post Cold War cycle. Neoliberalism, neoconservatism, they've all run 2180 01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:13.560 out of gas. I mean, Trump is a symptom. The 2181 01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:17.000 reason that Trump exists is because the neocons they wore 2182 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:21.520 the conservative movement like a skin suit. They directed it 2183 01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:25.479 into things that people didn't generally want. People got got 2184 01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:28.640 why starting at the end of the Bush years and 2185 01:50:29.039 --> 01:50:32.840 the Republican Party old Republican Party, the conservative movement is 2186 01:50:32.920 --> 01:50:36.079 running on fumes. I mean they got nothing. You know, 2187 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:39.720 they're you know, they're the Project twenty twenty five. Business 2188 01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:42.399 out of Heritage is an effort to try and glom 2189 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:46.359 onto this populous energy. But you know, even the populous 2190 01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:49.680 energy is kind of misdirected. People are just pissed basically, 2191 01:50:49.720 --> 01:50:52.880 They just they don't you know, the average white person 2192 01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:56.079 in America doesn't have a political party that represents their interests. 2193 01:50:56.359 --> 01:50:58.960 So they're kind of you know, they're angry about it, 2194 01:50:58.960 --> 01:51:01.439 but they don't have the way to talk about it. 2195 01:51:01.479 --> 01:51:02.920 They don't have a language for it, they don't have 2196 01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:06.000 a channel for that anger to flow into, So it 2197 01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:08.760 kind of flows into Trump by default. But the pret 2198 01:51:08.840 --> 01:51:11.199 problem is happening on the Democratic side, I think too. 2199 01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:13.640 I think you know that whole that I keep coming 2200 01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:16.079 back to, that Louden County revolt. I spent a lot 2201 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:18.640 of time looking into that because I think this is 2202 01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:20.359 happening in a lot of places. I think a lot 2203 01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:24.039 of upper middle class white people are looking around and 2204 01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:27.680 thinking that we might have bigger problems than just Trump. 2205 01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:30.680 We have other stuff, and certainly rich people. Look, there's 2206 01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:32.920 a lot of bad paper in the system. I don't 2207 01:51:32.920 --> 01:51:34.800 know how much you know about finance, but there is 2208 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:38.640 a lot of really bad credit floating around in the system. 2209 01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:43.760 The global financial arrangements are changing and it doesn't appear 2210 01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:47.039 as if right now anybody in Washington understands what the 2211 01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:50.680 hell is happening. And you know, the smart money, you know, 2212 01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:52.479 the guys who were on Wall Street, I mean, they 2213 01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:54.920 probably do know what's happening, and they probably understand that 2214 01:51:54.920 --> 01:51:56.399 there is going to be a fair amount of pain 2215 01:51:56.479 --> 01:51:59.840 as we transition out of the post Cold War period 2216 01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:02.279 into whatever we're going to call the next next phase. 2217 01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:07.960 But you know, there's across the spectrum, you know, the 2218 01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:11.800 people that are capable of thinking about this stuff are 2219 01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:14.199 all looking around and saying that, you know, we have 2220 01:52:14.239 --> 01:52:19.119 a problem, and there really isn't anybody who is capable 2221 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:22.760 of addressing it within the sort of establishment system. Trump, 2222 01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:26.079 for all his faults, does talk with some sort of 2223 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:29.680 with a degree of clarity about some of the issues, 2224 01:52:30.279 --> 01:52:32.600 but otherwise there really isn't a lot of options there there. 2225 01:52:32.680 --> 01:52:35.520 There needs to be a great regrouping right now. Not 2226 01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:38.479 only do the Democrats, because again they don't have any companies. 2227 01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:42.000 Their candidate pool is terrible. I mean, look around. I mean, 2228 01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:46.359 Gretchen Whitmer, I don't know how old you are, but 2229 01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:51.159 when I was a young guy back like in my twenties, 2230 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:54.199 late twenties, we said a thing called cougar bars. Right, 2231 01:52:55.239 --> 01:52:57.800 you know that Gretchen Whitmer is the kind of woman 2232 01:52:57.840 --> 01:52:59.680 that would be at a cougar bar. That's what you want. Like, 2233 01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:01.600 every time I see her, I just start laughing. You know, 2234 01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:04.199 she's lost a bunch of weight, she's gotten into the gym, 2235 01:53:04.680 --> 01:53:08.000 that's what she looks like. It's not somebody you make president. 2236 01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:11.520 I mean you're governor for that matter, Gavin Newsom. If 2237 01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:14.520 you watch this guy speak, he's terrible. He's awful. He's 2238 01:53:14.560 --> 01:53:17.560 just he's boring. He sounds like it sounds like listening 2239 01:53:17.600 --> 01:53:20.359 to your accountant. You can go through the list of 2240 01:53:20.399 --> 01:53:23.399 their A listers and they sound like, you know, C 2241 01:53:23.600 --> 01:53:26.199 listers from even ten years ago or fifteen years ago. 2242 01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:30.279 So it really is, it's a big problem. They've got this. 2243 01:53:31.359 --> 01:53:33.119 They've got to have a reset, they've got to kind 2244 01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:35.520 of rethink things. They got to recruit new people, they 2245 01:53:35.520 --> 01:53:41.039 got to find new ways to market themselves. And and 2246 01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:44.439 I'm not entirely sure it's going to happen without a 2247 01:53:44.439 --> 01:53:46.720 lot of pain, because I think, you know, for thirty 2248 01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:50.159 years now, we've had a set of financial arrangements. 2249 01:53:49.800 --> 01:53:54.119 Which are peculiar they're not normal. You know. 2250 01:53:54.159 --> 01:53:56.560 The rest of the world was kind of just allowing 2251 01:53:56.640 --> 01:53:59.279 us to lead them around, and now they're not. You know, 2252 01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:01.840 so there's a lot of suff going on. And kind 2253 01:54:01.880 --> 01:54:03.560 of get back to what your point was is that 2254 01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:05.880 I don't think they're deliberately laying down. I just don't 2255 01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:07.680 think they have a choice. You know, there's really just 2256 01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:09.239 running out of good options right now. 2257 01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.520 It's actually why, you know, in the grander scheme of things, 2258 01:54:14.520 --> 01:54:18.159 because I really share your analysis there that to me, 2259 01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:22.560 I'm voting for Trump because I have to live here, right. 2260 01:54:23.239 --> 01:54:25.800 There's really nothing past that right, which is in the 2261 01:54:25.800 --> 01:54:28.399 short to medium term, which will make my life better. 2262 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:35.479 I think that. Don't get me wrong. I love I'd 2263 01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:40.119 love to be proven cynical on this point, right. I'd 2264 01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:42.520 love for in four years me to look back at 2265 01:54:42.520 --> 01:54:45.560 this and say, oh, I can't believe I was so cynical, 2266 01:54:45.600 --> 01:54:47.720 I was so black built. But to me, I don't 2267 01:54:47.720 --> 01:54:52.359 really see Trump fixing this at all. No. What I 2268 01:54:52.399 --> 01:54:58.119 do see as kind of an interesting development is look 2269 01:54:58.159 --> 01:55:01.880 at the people who are ordering Trump right, who kind 2270 01:55:01.880 --> 01:55:06.439 of thrown their weight behind him this election. The last one. Well, okay, 2271 01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:09.920 I mean we have you know he's got a pack back, right, 2272 01:55:09.960 --> 01:55:14.159 he's got Miriam Ayelsen. And I don't like those guys. 2273 01:55:14.199 --> 01:55:18.359 I don't support the causes they do, and fair enough, 2274 01:55:18.800 --> 01:55:22.079 but also you have this kind of new kind of 2275 01:55:22.119 --> 01:55:26.399 tech elite forming behind Trump. You know, obviously the ones 2276 01:55:26.439 --> 01:55:29.680 you always hear about our heel musk, right, those are 2277 01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:32.560 the big ticket guys. Yeah, I think that we've kind 2278 01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:36.000 of forgotten about Vvack Ramaswami, right, who sort of served 2279 01:55:36.039 --> 01:55:38.279 as you know, a Trump stand in, and then as 2280 01:55:38.319 --> 01:55:41.239 soon as Trump announced he was out, Well, you know, 2281 01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:43.560 he drops out of the race. And you know, we 2282 01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:46.399 can see that they have an inside seat because I 2283 01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:49.039 mean that's where Vance comes from. Right, He's connected to 2284 01:55:49.119 --> 01:55:52.800 those guys. Now, you know that goes a little bit deeper, right, 2285 01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:55.239 And actually, this is another reason I think shenanigans are 2286 01:55:55.279 --> 01:55:58.840 less likely. You have Mark Zuckerberg, right, the CEO of Facebook, 2287 01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:03.359 who was very much involved in the last round of shenanigans, 2288 01:56:03.600 --> 01:56:07.439 basically saying just in the last couple of days, one, yes, 2289 01:56:07.520 --> 01:56:10.399 that happened. Two I'm sorry, and one I won't do 2290 01:56:10.439 --> 01:56:12.760 it again. I think I got my numbers wrong there, 2291 01:56:12.760 --> 01:56:16.000 but my point stands. And look, you know this doesn't 2292 01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:19.319 mean that Mark Zuckerberg is suddenly my best friend, but 2293 01:56:19.880 --> 01:56:23.119 it seems like we're seeing a new power block emerge. 2294 01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:23.840 Now. 2295 01:56:24.199 --> 01:56:26.119 I don't think this is the sort of power block 2296 01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:30.000 that rejuvenates America, right, that takes us back to this 2297 01:56:30.119 --> 01:56:34.600 kind of golden imperium. But there is there is there's 2298 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:38.119 competence there, there is energy there, and you know, if 2299 01:56:38.119 --> 01:56:40.680 nothing else, I think that's a that's a sector to watch. 2300 01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:46.159 Yeah, I completely agree with this. I mean, look, in 2301 01:56:46.239 --> 01:56:48.920 twenty sixteen, Trump had no elite support. There were no 2302 01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:51.159 billionaires signing up for Trump. I mean, I guess maybe 2303 01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:55.319 Peter Thield to some degree, but what a Tale's an 2304 01:56:55.359 --> 01:56:59.119 interesting character. I have some indirect dealings with him, and 2305 01:56:59.479 --> 01:57:03.439 I'm I don't think he's as political politically savvy as 2306 01:57:03.439 --> 01:57:06.000 people think. But that's a topic for another day. But 2307 01:57:07.319 --> 01:57:09.680 you know, Musk, who I think is to a great 2308 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:14.560 degree politically naive, but he's getting smart fast. But this 2309 01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:18.119 is not a guy who is naive about the kinds 2310 01:57:18.119 --> 01:57:20.359 of people who dominate politics. He's made all his money 2311 01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:22.720 off of politics. People don't realize that. You know, most 2312 01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:26.680 of his fortune comes from doing business with governments and 2313 01:57:27.199 --> 01:57:30.640 getting government favors that the whole you know, tesla wouldn't 2314 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:33.960 exist without enormous subsidies from government, and not just the 2315 01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:37.840 United States government, the Chinese government, you know, the EU. 2316 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:40.239 I mean, you know, this is a guy who understands 2317 01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:42.880 the system and how to manipulate it. And I think 2318 01:57:43.119 --> 01:57:47.239 his great concern about what's happening is a signal to 2319 01:57:47.359 --> 01:57:52.720 the other oligarchs that it's okay to start questioning this. 2320 01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:56.600 These hired men we have in the managerial class. What 2321 01:57:56.960 --> 01:57:59.800 the hell are these guys actually doing? And so I 2322 01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:02.800 do think there's something happening here now. It could devolve 2323 01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:06.399 into civil war, it's always a possibility, but it's also 2324 01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:09.920 possible that there's a reform movement of foot Look back 2325 01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:14.119 in the nineteen seventies, wealthy people, corporate interesting was obviously 2326 01:58:14.119 --> 01:58:17.680 a different world. They started to react not to the 2327 01:58:17.680 --> 01:58:21.199 cultural stuff, but to the financial problems. They looked around 2328 01:58:21.239 --> 01:58:24.680 and they saw that the money arrangements in the world 2329 01:58:25.119 --> 01:58:31.319 were a problem. They saw the revolution coming with semiconductors 2330 01:58:31.359 --> 01:58:35.439 and the microprocessor. There's a book I always recommend to people. 2331 01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:37.119 It's called The Money Game, and the guy wrote it 2332 01:58:37.199 --> 01:58:39.520 under a pen name. It's written in the nineteen sixties 2333 01:58:40.039 --> 01:58:43.520 about he wrote under the pend named Adam Smith. You 2334 01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:46.000 read the book, it predicts everything that was going to 2335 01:58:46.039 --> 01:58:49.520 happen with computerization in the financial markets. It's really quite 2336 01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:52.520 as a wild book to read, because you read it, 2337 01:58:52.840 --> 01:58:54.880 you realize it's written in the nineteen sixties and it 2338 01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:58.159 uses a lot of the sort of mad band type language. 2339 01:58:59.199 --> 01:59:02.640 But all thes that about what would happen in the seventies, eighties, 2340 01:59:02.680 --> 01:59:06.119 and nineties are all right there. It's a great insight 2341 01:59:06.159 --> 01:59:08.800 as to how the people at the very top of 2342 01:59:08.840 --> 01:59:10.760 the system do know a hell of a lot more 2343 01:59:10.760 --> 01:59:12.560 about what's coming down the road than the rest of 2344 01:59:12.640 --> 01:59:15.600 us do. And you know, these people saw this and 2345 01:59:15.880 --> 01:59:18.319 they started to react to it, and we ended up 2346 01:59:18.359 --> 01:59:21.640 with the Conservative Revolution with Reagan and all that stuff. 2347 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:23.920 But we also wound up with a revolution and the 2348 01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:27.399 financial relations. You know, for the money relations of the world. 2349 01:59:27.479 --> 01:59:30.079 You've got the Palace Accords, you got the Louver Accords, 2350 01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:33.359 You've got the what was that nineteen seventy four, you 2351 01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:37.039 got the agreement with the Saudia's that established a petro dollar. 2352 01:59:37.079 --> 01:59:40.079 I mean, these were revolutionary changes. You had the beginning 2353 01:59:40.159 --> 01:59:43.239 of a deregulation that started, we're deregulating. 2354 01:59:43.279 --> 01:59:43.800 I think it was. 2355 01:59:43.760 --> 01:59:46.760 First was I think it was Mile Bell got broken up, 2356 01:59:46.760 --> 01:59:48.399 and then the airlines got deregulated. 2357 01:59:48.720 --> 01:59:49.560 All this stuff happened. 2358 01:59:49.560 --> 01:59:52.439 It was because the economic elites looked around and said, 2359 01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:55.560 we have a problem. The system that we have is 2360 01:59:55.600 --> 01:59:59.680 not working and it's it's becoming dangerous, and so they 2361 01:59:59.680 --> 02:00:03.119 pushed a huge reforms. And that may be happening now. 2362 02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:05.479 He might be on the cusp of the differences is 2363 02:00:05.520 --> 02:00:08.000 that you know, in nineteen seventies America was a different 2364 02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:14.560 country demographically than twenty twenty twenty four America. So you know, 2365 02:00:14.720 --> 02:00:17.159 it's not a perfect analogy. But but yeah, I mean 2366 02:00:17.199 --> 02:00:21.159 I think I do think that the rich people are concerned. 2367 02:00:21.199 --> 02:00:23.520 I mean, look, if you're Elon Musk, you're a Mark 2368 02:00:23.600 --> 02:00:27.760 zuckerberglar hell, you're you're a guy who's a president of 2369 02:00:27.840 --> 02:00:30.560 a financial institution, you've got to be looking a door 2370 02:00:30.600 --> 02:00:33.680 off getting arrested the guy who runs Telegram in France 2371 02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:37.199 and think we have a real problem. I mean, that 2372 02:00:37.359 --> 02:00:40.279 has got to be sending off loud alarms in every 2373 02:00:40.359 --> 02:00:44.760 mansion around the globe. You don't arrest billionaires like that. 2374 02:00:44.760 --> 02:00:47.560 It just doesn't happen, not in the West, not in 2375 02:00:47.640 --> 02:00:50.159 the It's not supposed to happen that way. Even though 2376 02:00:50.159 --> 02:00:53.039 he's Russian and all that other stuff. It should never 2377 02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:58.520 have happened. They didn't arrest the guy Abramovich who owned them, 2378 02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:01.760 was it? Manchester United had the big the British soccer team. 2379 02:01:01.800 --> 02:01:02.560 I mean, he's a. 2380 02:01:04.399 --> 02:01:07.560 Russian oligarch and they didn't arrest him. Why are they 2381 02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:10.479 arrestling this guy? Something's changed, you know, Brazil is now 2382 02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:16.279 threatening Musk over censoring X. So yeah, I mean, I 2383 02:01:16.279 --> 02:01:17.800 mean I've kind of rambled here a little bit, sorry 2384 02:01:17.880 --> 02:01:20.520 on that, but you know, you know, it's a great topic. 2385 02:01:22.760 --> 02:01:27.800 It's something that that I think is happening, but you 2386 02:01:27.840 --> 02:01:29.319 can't be sure where it's going to go. I think 2387 02:01:29.319 --> 02:01:32.960 the economical leads, the oligarchs are becoming increasingly concerned about 2388 02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:34.560 what the hell's going on. And you know, they don't 2389 02:01:34.560 --> 02:01:37.680 worry about transgenderism and all that stuff, but they do 2390 02:01:37.720 --> 02:01:42.079 worry about rich guys being arrested, financial system being shaky, 2391 02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:47.319 the competency of the political class. So yeah, we could 2392 02:01:47.359 --> 02:01:49.800 we could then we could find ourselves in very interesting times. 2393 02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:50.399 Now. 2394 02:01:50.439 --> 02:01:52.159 I just wish I was twenty years younger. Because if 2395 02:01:52.159 --> 02:01:53.760 it's going to all fall apart and there's going to 2396 02:01:53.800 --> 02:01:56.520 be a you know, people are going to be running 2397 02:01:56.520 --> 02:01:58.399 around in the streets with guns. I'm too old to 2398 02:01:58.439 --> 02:01:58.880 do that now. 2399 02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:04.199 Yeah, I think this might be a pair of phraise 2400 02:02:04.239 --> 02:02:06.920 from your show. Right, But you know, there's this idea 2401 02:02:07.000 --> 02:02:09.760 that you know, nothing changes until rich people get hurt. 2402 02:02:10.680 --> 02:02:14.079 And I think that we're we're starting to see that. 2403 02:02:14.359 --> 02:02:17.840 You cited obviously the regime coming after Musk, and I 2404 02:02:17.880 --> 02:02:22.439 really do think that that was was a breakwater moment. 2405 02:02:22.760 --> 02:02:24.359 You know. One of the other names that gets thrown 2406 02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:27.439 around in the mix here is Eric Prince, and Eric 2407 02:02:27.479 --> 02:02:31.159 Prince really got screwed over by the government. You know, obviously, 2408 02:02:31.239 --> 02:02:32.920 you know he's kind of a shady guy. You know, 2409 02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:37.319 he was involved with Blackwater. I have some some personal contacts, 2410 02:02:37.399 --> 02:02:40.479 right who are friends of his, and they speak very 2411 02:02:40.520 --> 02:02:44.920 well of him. But nonetheless, right, take a perfectly neutral 2412 02:02:45.039 --> 02:02:48.840 view of the man. He is extremely wealthy, extremely competent, 2413 02:02:48.880 --> 02:02:52.359 and extremely well connected, and the State Department screwed him 2414 02:02:52.359 --> 02:02:55.760 over for basically no reason, right, They for those who 2415 02:02:55.760 --> 02:02:59.000 aren't familiar. Effectively, the State Department said, hey, can you 2416 02:02:59.039 --> 02:03:02.439 send us some bulletproof vests and then sued him for 2417 02:03:02.680 --> 02:03:05.319 sending them bulletproof vests without their permission. 2418 02:03:05.560 --> 02:03:05.720 Right. 2419 02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:08.359 That's effectively what it what took down this company, right, 2420 02:03:08.399 --> 02:03:11.359 which of course is incredibly cough esque and absurd. But 2421 02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:13.439 that's a man who has an ax to grind. The government, 2422 02:03:13.520 --> 02:03:17.439 to put it mildly, now, Musk, who's you know, incredibly 2423 02:03:17.479 --> 02:03:19.720 wealthy and powerful, has an ax to grind. And I 2424 02:03:19.720 --> 02:03:21.640 think one of the reasons you see, you know, all 2425 02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:24.600 of these tech CEOs and again, these finance guys like 2426 02:03:24.960 --> 02:03:27.239 you know, the CEO of Chase Bank, the CEO of 2427 02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:35.119 black Stone I think not black Rock basically aligning behind Trump. 2428 02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:35.359 Is that. 2429 02:03:35.439 --> 02:03:37.359 I think for a lot of people, it's this kind 2430 02:03:37.399 --> 02:03:40.000 of looking around saying like, wait a minute, I could 2431 02:03:40.039 --> 02:03:42.159 be next, right, they could come out, they could come 2432 02:03:42.199 --> 02:03:45.960 after me for you know, largely conflated reasons. And like 2433 02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:47.960 you said, I don't know where this goes. I don't 2434 02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:51.479 think any of these people are our guys. But at 2435 02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:54.720 the same time, you know, to be honest, I'd rather 2436 02:03:54.800 --> 02:03:57.880 just have a government that works, you know, that functions 2437 02:03:57.920 --> 02:04:00.319 at the Paris level, so that I don't have to, 2438 02:04:00.920 --> 02:04:04.560 you know, sincerely, worry about you know, my safety or 2439 02:04:04.760 --> 02:04:07.640 you know, things that would be almost you know, unthinkable 2440 02:04:08.000 --> 02:04:09.920 thirty forty years ago in America. 2441 02:04:11.359 --> 02:04:14.119 Yeah, you know, I tell you, in my business life, 2442 02:04:15.000 --> 02:04:18.960 I've always kind of chuckled because often deals that that 2443 02:04:19.039 --> 02:04:21.039 I've been involved with, and you know, when I was 2444 02:04:21.039 --> 02:04:23.640 a younger guy in corporate America, I worked on some 2445 02:04:23.680 --> 02:04:26.479 substantial deals and it was weird how they kind of 2446 02:04:26.479 --> 02:04:28.800 took a life of their own in a way, and 2447 02:04:28.800 --> 02:04:31.880 that you went into it. You thought you understood all 2448 02:04:31.880 --> 02:04:34.159 the facets of it. Everybody you were working with thought 2449 02:04:34.199 --> 02:04:38.039 they understood it, and just some just stuff just starts 2450 02:04:38.039 --> 02:04:41.079 to happen, and before long you're not really working on 2451 02:04:41.159 --> 02:04:43.439 the deal you thought you were. You're working on something else. 2452 02:04:43.479 --> 02:04:46.000 Sometimes it gets really big, you know, it becomes more complex, 2453 02:04:47.079 --> 02:04:50.359 and it's just, you know, we as human beings, you know, 2454 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:53.479 we're limited, and we can't see around corners. We don't 2455 02:04:53.479 --> 02:04:56.000 always see all the facts, and we don't we can't 2456 02:04:56.039 --> 02:04:57.880 think beyond a few moves, and you know, all that 2457 02:04:57.960 --> 02:05:00.439 kind of stuff that people know, and do you see 2458 02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:03.920 this happen In politics? Donald Trump came down that elevator 2459 02:05:03.920 --> 02:05:06.960 in twenty fifteen, not expecting to be president of the 2460 02:05:07.039 --> 02:05:11.600 United States. That was obvious, but he wound up saying 2461 02:05:11.760 --> 02:05:16.439 things about immigration in particular that caught fire. It was 2462 02:05:16.520 --> 02:05:19.000 like he threw a cigarette out of his car and 2463 02:05:19.079 --> 02:05:21.079 set the prairie on fire. I mean, you know, he 2464 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:23.239 didn't intend to do it. It wasn't what he was thinking about. 2465 02:05:23.279 --> 02:05:26.359 It wasn't a plan. It just sort of happened. My 2466 02:05:26.399 --> 02:05:28.640 analysis of Trump in his first year is that was 2467 02:05:28.840 --> 02:05:30.720 you know, a first term as president. 2468 02:05:30.640 --> 02:05:31.760 Was he just got swept up. 2469 02:05:31.800 --> 02:05:33.960 It was he you know, this is a guy who 2470 02:05:34.279 --> 02:05:37.600 had thrived his whole life in chaos, but was unprepared 2471 02:05:37.640 --> 02:05:39.840 for the degree of chaos that had happened. You know, 2472 02:05:39.880 --> 02:05:43.800 this thing that happened, Glenn Youngkin winning the governorship. I 2473 02:05:43.840 --> 02:05:46.880 watched that, and you know, look, I have some idea 2474 02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:50.359 what Glenn Youngkin was like before all of a sudden 2475 02:05:51.039 --> 02:05:53.720 things just kind of took off and he was just 2476 02:05:53.840 --> 02:05:57.359 riding the tiger. And it changes you when you're in 2477 02:05:57.399 --> 02:06:00.119 that kind of circumstance, when all of a sudden, know, 2478 02:06:00.159 --> 02:06:05.319 you you go from zero to one. To quote Peter Thiel, 2479 02:06:06.119 --> 02:06:07.640 it changes how you look. 2480 02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:07.920 At the world. 2481 02:06:08.119 --> 02:06:10.680 You you you look at things in a different way, 2482 02:06:10.720 --> 02:06:12.520 You look at yourself in a different way. And I 2483 02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:15.560 think that's happening with Musk. I think it certainly happened 2484 02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:17.319 with Trump. I think it's happened a second time with 2485 02:06:17.319 --> 02:06:20.199 Trump when he got shot. I think that changed his 2486 02:06:20.720 --> 02:06:24.119 demeanor since then has been different, and you can see it. 2487 02:06:24.640 --> 02:06:28.239 He's much more serious and he maybe overthinking things a 2488 02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:30.159 little bit. But you know, I think he had that 2489 02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:32.960 moment where he realized that, hey, wait a second, I'm 2490 02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:36.960 a part I'm a world historical figure. My life now 2491 02:06:37.000 --> 02:06:39.279 has meaning beyond just being good at the stuff I 2492 02:06:39.359 --> 02:06:42.319 enjoy being good at. And I think, you know, that's 2493 02:06:42.399 --> 02:06:44.239 that could be what happens with us as a country 2494 02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:46.199 as a whole. All these rich guys are looking around, 2495 02:06:46.279 --> 02:06:51.439 they're seeing these problems. They look at the the rampant dishonesty. 2496 02:06:51.560 --> 02:06:54.960 You know, this arresting of Dora Off. I cannot believe 2497 02:06:55.000 --> 02:06:57.880 they did that. That is such an insanely stupid idea, 2498 02:06:58.880 --> 02:07:00.720 because it's not I mean, who cares do who cares 2499 02:07:00.720 --> 02:07:02.960 about telegram but went away? The world wouldn't change that much. 2500 02:07:03.479 --> 02:07:06.239 It's the symbolism of it. It's what it appears to be, 2501 02:07:07.039 --> 02:07:09.560 and there's so many things like that, and it's it's 2502 02:07:09.760 --> 02:07:14.800 representative of this sort of dishonesty of the managerial class. 2503 02:07:15.640 --> 02:07:18.279 And you know, we look at these people as our bosses. 2504 02:07:18.359 --> 02:07:21.399 But the rich guys, the oligarchs, the guys like Elon Musk, 2505 02:07:21.479 --> 02:07:23.640 the guys like Mark Zuckerberger, they look at these people 2506 02:07:23.680 --> 02:07:25.920 as their employees, and all of a sudden they find 2507 02:07:26.159 --> 02:07:29.159 You know, it's imagine yourself. You're running a company and 2508 02:07:29.439 --> 02:07:31.520 you know all the guys who or you're not running 2509 02:07:31.520 --> 02:07:33.600 the company, you own the company, and you have a 2510 02:07:33.640 --> 02:07:36.560 meeting with all your C level people and they're all 2511 02:07:36.600 --> 02:07:38.920 they're all lying to you. You know what do you do? Well, 2512 02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:40.920 you get rid of all of them. You start you 2513 02:07:40.920 --> 02:07:42.680 start thinking about how I get rid of all of them, 2514 02:07:42.680 --> 02:07:44.680 and I bring new people in. And that may be 2515 02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:46.880 what's happening with a lot of these guys, because of 2516 02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:51.439 the constant lying, the dishonesty, the unwillingness to abide by 2517 02:07:51.479 --> 02:07:55.159 the rules. So you know, I mean, we could again, 2518 02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:58.520 we could be in for some very interesting times. And 2519 02:07:58.880 --> 02:08:02.960 you know what I mean, You know, you know it 2520 02:08:03.000 --> 02:08:07.439 may be, it may be necessary. You know, interesting times 2521 02:08:07.520 --> 02:08:09.680 might be the kind of thing that fixes a lot 2522 02:08:09.720 --> 02:08:13.000 of the spiritual and cultural problems that we have you know, 2523 02:08:13.039 --> 02:08:15.880 you see you know, you see this stuff too. You know, 2524 02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:19.199 people talking about the fertility raid and the loss of 2525 02:08:19.279 --> 02:08:22.399 community and social capital breaking down and all that. You know, 2526 02:08:22.439 --> 02:08:26.359 maybe we need a really serious crisis that focuses everyone's 2527 02:08:26.399 --> 02:08:29.920 mind on what's important and and a ruling class that 2528 02:08:30.600 --> 02:08:32.640 is is doing it at the same time we are. 2529 02:08:32.960 --> 02:08:35.319 You know, maybe that's just a necessary thing to have 2530 02:08:35.359 --> 02:08:39.239 the renewal that we're going to need, not just as 2531 02:08:39.239 --> 02:08:41.039 a country, but as a civilization. 2532 02:08:42.960 --> 02:08:46.000 I thought the same thing that you know, there's this 2533 02:08:46.159 --> 02:08:49.560 desire to sort of you know, have your cake and 2534 02:08:49.640 --> 02:08:53.800 eat it too, right, this desire to to go to 2535 02:08:53.920 --> 02:08:58.800 become you know, a vitalistic, living society again without going 2536 02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:02.439 through anything unpleasant. I'm not entirely sure that that's that's 2537 02:09:02.520 --> 02:09:06.640 how it works, right, forgive me for a minute, right, 2538 02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:10.319 but this is something that you see all the time 2539 02:09:10.960 --> 02:09:13.359 in you know, both the entire Western canon, right, but 2540 02:09:13.399 --> 02:09:17.760 then in scripture. Right. This idea that you know that 2541 02:09:17.800 --> 02:09:21.479 the people kind of falls away from, you know, the path, right, 2542 02:09:21.520 --> 02:09:24.600 They they reject God. They you know, they they do 2543 02:09:24.720 --> 02:09:27.960 something shameful and they need to atone for that. Right, 2544 02:09:27.960 --> 02:09:30.680 There's a blood price that needs to be paid, and 2545 02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:32.560 I don't want to take this into an overly chin 2546 02:09:32.560 --> 02:09:35.279 stroking direction, but I think that that that applies to 2547 02:09:35.359 --> 02:09:37.920 us as well. You know that these sort of interesting 2548 02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:41.359 times are probably the only way we get to a 2549 02:09:41.399 --> 02:09:44.359 society that has a reason to exist again. And I 2550 02:09:44.399 --> 02:09:48.079 think that, you know, the kind of like endless chanting 2551 02:09:48.119 --> 02:09:51.800 about seventeen seventy six shall commence again from the you know, 2552 02:09:51.840 --> 02:09:55.359 the sort of the the morbidly obese boomers. I think 2553 02:09:55.359 --> 02:09:59.600 it's probably a little bit of wishful thinking, But ze Man, 2554 02:09:59.600 --> 02:10:03.239 we you're coming up on time. I really enjoyed this conversation. 2555 02:10:03.359 --> 02:10:05.680 It was went different places than I thought, and I 2556 02:10:06.000 --> 02:10:08.560 enjoyed it quite a bit. But if people want to 2557 02:10:08.600 --> 02:10:11.159 find more of your you and and your work, what's 2558 02:10:11.159 --> 02:10:12.159 a good way for them to do so? 2559 02:10:12.920 --> 02:10:14.880 Just go to the z man dot com. That's the 2560 02:10:14.920 --> 02:10:16.840 easiest place. So all my links are there. I even 2561 02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:20.079 have links to John Derbyshire stuff. He's one of the 2562 02:10:20.079 --> 02:10:22.800 the old graybeards who I have a trends amount of 2563 02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:25.319 respect for. I wouldn't be here without John Derbyshire, so 2564 02:10:25.960 --> 02:10:27.640 I have. I am now that a v there went 2565 02:10:27.680 --> 02:10:31.880 out of business, I'm now uh supporting and distributing John's 2566 02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:34.960 weekly podcast. And if you want to hear a you know, 2567 02:10:35.000 --> 02:10:37.159 a real old head, a guy who's been at this, 2568 02:10:37.359 --> 02:10:39.960 the guy who actually coined the term dissident. 2569 02:10:40.039 --> 02:10:40.199 Right. 2570 02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:42.840 Uh, if you if you want to know what the 2571 02:10:42.880 --> 02:10:44.760 old guys are thinking, then just go to the z 2572 02:10:44.880 --> 02:10:47.159 man dot com and I put his show up every 2573 02:10:47.159 --> 02:10:47.840 Saturday morning. 2574 02:10:48.840 --> 02:10:51.119 Well, be sure to link to that. I actually didn't 2575 02:10:51.239 --> 02:10:54.439 realize you were you were publishing his work. Now I'm 2576 02:10:54.520 --> 02:10:57.880 not as familiar with his, uh this sort of recent work, 2577 02:10:57.960 --> 02:10:59.920 but you know there there are a couple of John Derbyshire, 2578 02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:03.479 you know, essays that are all time classics. I'm definitely 2579 02:11:03.479 --> 02:11:06.600 gonna have to check that out. All right, ze man, 2580 02:11:06.640 --> 02:11:07.800 welcome back to the Jay Burton Show. 2581 02:11:07.800 --> 02:11:10.079 How you doing, man, I'm doing very good. Thank you 2582 02:11:10.119 --> 02:11:10.560 for having me. 2583 02:11:11.640 --> 02:11:14.279 Yeah, I'm glad to have you back on. I always 2584 02:11:14.319 --> 02:11:18.079 enjoy our conversations quite a bit. And I will say 2585 02:11:18.119 --> 02:11:21.960 for my audience, the technical issue has been solved, so 2586 02:11:22.039 --> 02:11:24.680 you will be hearing me out of two ears instead 2587 02:11:24.680 --> 02:11:28.119 of only one. Sorry about that. Just had some hardware 2588 02:11:28.159 --> 02:11:31.239 issues that have been resolved. But obviously I'm not just 2589 02:11:31.279 --> 02:11:33.399 here to talk about my inability to make a podcast 2590 02:11:33.439 --> 02:11:36.760 after almost three hundred episodes. I'm here to talk with 2591 02:11:36.760 --> 02:11:40.159 with using men about kind of the current state of 2592 02:11:40.199 --> 02:11:44.840 things right, because I think one of the most interesting 2593 02:11:44.920 --> 02:11:49.960 developments of the Trump presidency has been this kind of 2594 02:11:49.960 --> 02:11:54.239 bizarre divide among our circles where either, you know, you 2595 02:11:54.279 --> 02:11:58.119 see people who have essentially been brought back into the fold, right, 2596 02:11:58.159 --> 02:12:01.600 they are full on you know, Republicans. Trump is going 2597 02:12:01.680 --> 02:12:03.840 to say it to save the world. Trump is going 2598 02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:08.000 to you know, get us to that ideal state. Or alternately, 2599 02:12:08.039 --> 02:12:10.199 and I think you see this, particularly among the the 2600 02:12:10.199 --> 02:12:13.039 European chapter of the right, this kind of endless doom 2601 02:12:13.039 --> 02:12:17.520 and gloom. Right old zion Don is back. And that's 2602 02:12:17.560 --> 02:12:19.760 not really how I view things, right. I view this 2603 02:12:19.960 --> 02:12:23.880 as you know, well, certainly a win a conditional one, 2604 02:12:23.920 --> 02:12:28.159 it's not the end. And I'm curious, right, where do 2605 02:12:28.159 --> 02:12:30.800 you find yourself falling and what do you see as 2606 02:12:30.840 --> 02:12:32.560 being kind of the relevant developments. 2607 02:12:34.079 --> 02:12:38.560 Well, you know what, broadly speaking, right wing politics or 2608 02:12:38.600 --> 02:12:40.800 what we call the right in the United States has 2609 02:12:40.840 --> 02:12:45.760 always had an element of people who like being a 2610 02:12:45.800 --> 02:12:48.680 medium sized fish in a very small pond, you know, 2611 02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:51.479 they carve out these sort of little sort of subcultures 2612 02:12:51.520 --> 02:12:54.239 where you know, they get to be the star of 2613 02:12:54.319 --> 02:12:57.399 the event that has twenty five people show up, or 2614 02:12:57.439 --> 02:13:01.479 you know, the online group that has you know, fifty 2615 02:13:01.520 --> 02:13:04.000 people who listen to the live stream, that kind of stuff, 2616 02:13:04.600 --> 02:13:08.159 and you know, they often act like the kinds of 2617 02:13:08.159 --> 02:13:12.640 people who found a new band or a cool little restaurant. 2618 02:13:12.800 --> 02:13:15.199 You know, they they love the fact that nobody goes 2619 02:13:15.239 --> 02:13:17.159 there or nobody really listens to it, and so once 2620 02:13:17.199 --> 02:13:19.359 it starts getting popular, they feel as if, oh, well 2621 02:13:19.359 --> 02:13:21.079 it's sold out. It's not the same as it used 2622 02:13:21.079 --> 02:13:23.399 to be. That's how I look at a lot of 2623 02:13:23.439 --> 02:13:26.079 this politics. I mean, because look, many of the things 2624 02:13:26.119 --> 02:13:30.560 that were only said in you know, band live streams 2625 02:13:30.560 --> 02:13:33.680 and band in that places are now coming out of 2626 02:13:33.720 --> 02:13:35.800 the mouths of the you know, the president, the vice 2627 02:13:35.840 --> 02:13:37.880 president and his people. I mean, you know, some of 2628 02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:40.000 the things that jd. Vance says were things that got 2629 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:43.000 you thrown off a Twitter five, six, seven years ago. 2630 02:13:43.479 --> 02:13:46.319 So you know, there's a there's a lot of good 2631 02:13:46.359 --> 02:13:48.119 stuff happening, but these people look at that and they 2632 02:13:48.800 --> 02:13:51.479 you know, they you know, they just they don't want 2633 02:13:51.479 --> 02:13:53.760 to be winners. I hate to use that word, but 2634 02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:56.119 you know, they because they there's some part of their 2635 02:13:56.159 --> 02:14:00.000 identity is in failure, and you know, there's a beautiful loser. 2636 02:14:00.079 --> 02:14:01.800 I mean, this is what San Francis brought about a 2637 02:14:01.840 --> 02:14:04.880 million years ago. And you know that it's it's the 2638 02:14:04.920 --> 02:14:07.119 people who just sort of want to cling on to 2639 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:11.520 either their tiny little piece or maybe they cling. 2640 02:14:11.319 --> 02:14:12.000 Onto the past. 2641 02:14:12.159 --> 02:14:14.600 You know that that's you know, that's just who they are, 2642 02:14:14.960 --> 02:14:17.039 and so success really is actually the worst thing that 2643 02:14:17.079 --> 02:14:19.239 can happen to them. But there's also people I think 2644 02:14:19.239 --> 02:14:22.800 they just have an obsession over one particular issue and 2645 02:14:23.079 --> 02:14:24.479 you can never be satisfied with it. 2646 02:14:24.399 --> 02:14:26.119 It's a very weird thing. You know. 2647 02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:29.359 Trump, when it comes to our greatest ally, he gives 2648 02:14:29.399 --> 02:14:31.359 a lot of lip service, but he doesn't deliver a 2649 02:14:31.640 --> 02:14:35.199 If you actually read the Israeli news or listen to 2650 02:14:35.239 --> 02:14:38.439 some of the Israelis, they kind of think Trump is 2651 02:14:38.479 --> 02:14:43.239 selling them a you know, a a false promise. You know, 2652 02:14:43.479 --> 02:14:46.000 they don't they don't really think that Trump actually delivers 2653 02:14:46.079 --> 02:14:46.800 much for them. 2654 02:14:47.000 --> 02:14:47.960 And it's odd in a way. 2655 02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:49.920 You know, the people who always complaining about Trump and 2656 02:14:50.000 --> 02:14:52.920 our side, you know in America, complaining, oh Trump never 2657 02:14:52.960 --> 02:14:53.800 follows through with stuff. 2658 02:14:53.840 --> 02:14:55.079 Well, you know, we're not the only ones. 2659 02:14:55.119 --> 02:14:56.880 He kind of gyps every once in a while, you know, 2660 02:14:57.119 --> 02:15:00.760 over selling things. But you know, if your only issue, 2661 02:15:00.800 --> 02:15:02.439 the only thing you care about, is getting up in 2662 02:15:02.479 --> 02:15:04.279 the morning and finding out what's going on with Israel, 2663 02:15:04.359 --> 02:15:07.720 well you're never gonna be happy. So you know, there's 2664 02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:10.119 those are those two kinds of groups. But I also 2665 02:15:10.159 --> 02:15:12.760 I think there's people who just don't I don't really 2666 02:15:12.800 --> 02:15:16.239 think they understand the nature of the problem. We're not 2667 02:15:16.760 --> 02:15:20.439 changing policy here. We need to change a culture and 2668 02:15:20.520 --> 02:15:23.239 an economy, a political economy. 2669 02:15:23.239 --> 02:15:24.000 In Washington. 2670 02:15:24.359 --> 02:15:27.479 You know this whole blob business where you had forty 2671 02:15:27.520 --> 02:15:31.279 billion dollars of USA money, tens of billions of dollars, 2672 02:15:31.319 --> 02:15:34.319 probably as much, maybe forty fifty billion dollars coming out 2673 02:15:34.359 --> 02:15:38.600 of individual agencies as grants and subscriptions and all kinds 2674 02:15:38.640 --> 02:15:41.159 of ways to send taxpayer money into these not for 2675 02:15:41.239 --> 02:15:45.560 profits and NGOs and think tanks and media companies. And 2676 02:15:45.600 --> 02:15:47.399 then you know they use a lot of this money 2677 02:15:47.600 --> 02:15:51.560 to harvest and control the private money. I mean, you're 2678 02:15:51.560 --> 02:15:53.560 talking about one hundred billion dollars a year. I mean, 2679 02:15:53.920 --> 02:15:56.880 this is an enormous amount of money feeding into this system, 2680 02:15:57.000 --> 02:16:01.720 all of which was used to bribe politicians control the media, 2681 02:16:02.159 --> 02:16:06.159 control access to power, to fund people who run around 2682 02:16:06.239 --> 02:16:09.119 looking for you know, oh my goodness, this ze man 2683 02:16:09.239 --> 02:16:12.239 said something untoward to this group. Ah, you know, let's 2684 02:16:12.319 --> 02:16:14.199 let's have let's destroy his life. You know, let's go 2685 02:16:14.239 --> 02:16:16.199 after this guy. You know, all the doxing people, all 2686 02:16:16.279 --> 02:16:18.720 these guys that we're all funded with this stuff and 2687 02:16:19.119 --> 02:16:22.760 going after that political economy is huge. That is an 2688 02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:25.880 enormous change, because I mean, that's why everyone's terrified in 2689 02:16:26.000 --> 02:16:30.279 Washington right now. And once you dismantled, you you stick 2690 02:16:30.319 --> 02:16:32.440 the you know, a knife through the you know, you 2691 02:16:32.479 --> 02:16:34.079 put the ice pick in the head of the blob, 2692 02:16:34.319 --> 02:16:36.719 so to speak, all of a sudden, lots of other 2693 02:16:36.760 --> 02:16:39.680 things become possible. The world really does change, but it's 2694 02:16:39.680 --> 02:16:41.280 not going to change over night. It just means that 2695 02:16:41.319 --> 02:16:44.479 you now have an opportunity to organize and work hard 2696 02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:46.879 and try and you know, affect change. I Mean, the 2697 02:16:46.879 --> 02:16:50.040 biggest problem we've had over the last thirty years, probably 2698 02:16:51.000 --> 02:16:54.159 most of my adult lifetime, is that there is been 2699 02:16:54.239 --> 02:16:56.479 there's been no way for normal people to participate in 2700 02:16:56.520 --> 02:16:59.200 politics and get a positive result. You can vote yourself silly, 2701 02:16:59.239 --> 02:17:00.959 and you just kept get the same crap over and 2702 02:17:01.000 --> 02:17:03.680 over again, all all of a sudden things are starting 2703 02:17:03.719 --> 02:17:07.079 to change. You can you can actually expect something other 2704 02:17:07.120 --> 02:17:09.920 than the usual crap. There's a lot of good stuff here. 2705 02:17:09.959 --> 02:17:11.840 But you know, there's always a lot of people who 2706 02:17:11.840 --> 02:17:14.600 just don't understand that. They you know, they they look 2707 02:17:14.600 --> 02:17:17.239 and say, well, Trump promised mass deportations. They don't know 2708 02:17:17.280 --> 02:17:19.719 what that really looks like, but they feel they're not 2709 02:17:19.760 --> 02:17:22.879 getting it, so he ripped us off again, you know. So, 2710 02:17:23.239 --> 02:17:25.479 I mean, there's always gonna be that element. There's always 2711 02:17:25.520 --> 02:17:27.719 gonna be people who like that. But I think most 2712 02:17:27.760 --> 02:17:32.200 people understand that we're we're in the middle of something different. 2713 02:17:32.280 --> 02:17:35.000 This is very different. It's I don't want to use 2714 02:17:35.000 --> 02:17:37.440 the word revolution, but i'll I mean, there are things 2715 02:17:37.479 --> 02:17:40.559 happening now that I remember Paleocon's talking about when I 2716 02:17:40.639 --> 02:17:42.600 was a young man, which trust me, was a long 2717 02:17:42.639 --> 02:17:46.319 time ago, and no one has ever thought more possible. 2718 02:17:46.680 --> 02:17:48.879 I mean, they'd laid off ninety percent of the staff 2719 02:17:48.879 --> 02:17:50.120 at the Department of Education. 2720 02:17:50.319 --> 02:17:51.440 I mean, Republicans have been. 2721 02:17:51.440 --> 02:17:54.600 Running on that for the Live camp probably since Jimmy Carter, 2722 02:17:55.399 --> 02:17:56.920 and all of a sudden this happened. Now, it doesn't 2723 02:17:56.920 --> 02:17:59.319 mean that they you know, saved all two hundred and 2724 02:17:59.319 --> 02:18:00.920 thirty billion dollars or whatever. 2725 02:18:01.239 --> 02:18:03.000 And most of it is student loans. 2726 02:18:03.000 --> 02:18:06.319 But still, I mean, there's a lot of good stuff happening, 2727 02:18:06.360 --> 02:18:08.239 and you know, we'll see what happens. Well, we'll see 2728 02:18:08.239 --> 02:18:11.360 if it actually goes and continues on the direction it is. 2729 02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:16.079 But now, if you're not feeling pretty chipper about the 2730 02:18:16.120 --> 02:18:20.040 state of things, you'll never be happy. You're someone who 2731 02:18:20.079 --> 02:18:21.760 will just be miserable for the rest of your life. 2732 02:18:23.559 --> 02:18:26.920 Well, and I'm glad you you brought up, you know, 2733 02:18:26.959 --> 02:18:30.159 that idea of in changing what is perceived to be possible, 2734 02:18:30.799 --> 02:18:35.000 because one of the really the strongest weapons in our 2735 02:18:35.079 --> 02:18:39.360 enemies arsenal is the ability to set the null hypothesis right, 2736 02:18:39.479 --> 02:18:42.959 what is seen as you know, normal and acceptable and 2737 02:18:43.000 --> 02:18:46.319 if anything right. British politician Tony Blair was a master 2738 02:18:46.399 --> 02:18:49.680 of this, where he would basically push for some radical 2739 02:18:49.799 --> 02:18:52.719 change but cast it as if you know this is 2740 02:18:52.760 --> 02:18:56.280 simply you know that the decision has been made, right, 2741 02:18:56.360 --> 02:18:59.879 the conversation is already over and you know you see 2742 02:19:00.159 --> 02:19:03.000 in the way, for instance, that the UK banned guns, right, 2743 02:19:03.120 --> 02:19:06.600 it's he expressed that as if you know that was 2744 02:19:06.639 --> 02:19:09.319 an issue that had already been decided. Right, the voice 2745 02:19:09.360 --> 02:19:12.959 of history has spoken, and this is done. And you know, 2746 02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:15.040 for a long time, this is something Republicans have been 2747 02:19:15.040 --> 02:19:17.840 fighting up against. Right. You can you know see over 2748 02:19:17.879 --> 02:19:21.120 and over and over again. You know where Republicans effectively 2749 02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:25.840 have you know, adopted the framework of their enemies. Right, Okay, 2750 02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:28.920 well this is already decided. Roe versus Weight is already decided. 2751 02:19:29.000 --> 02:19:33.319 We're simply managing you know, everything after that point. And 2752 02:19:33.680 --> 02:19:35.639 you know, the ability to you know, as as the 2753 02:19:35.680 --> 02:19:39.920 meme says, right, simply do things is is huge, Right, 2754 02:19:40.000 --> 02:19:43.239 I sort of echo your your your points about Israel. 2755 02:19:43.280 --> 02:19:48.200 To me, look like obviously that is a heavily embedded 2756 02:19:48.239 --> 02:19:50.680 interest group, right, you know, one of the most powerful 2757 02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:52.879 lobbies has you know, John u Er Schuchmer will tell you, 2758 02:19:53.719 --> 02:19:57.920 but it is not the sole determinate factor in politics, right, 2759 02:19:58.159 --> 02:20:00.559 That is not you know, it's not like you solve 2760 02:20:00.639 --> 02:20:04.239 that issue and then everything goes away. It's a complicated system. 2761 02:20:04.920 --> 02:20:07.680 And to me, right, I keep going back to, you know, 2762 02:20:07.719 --> 02:20:10.879 the the binary choice, however much a choice that was, 2763 02:20:10.959 --> 02:20:13.840 is you know, up for debate between you know, Harris 2764 02:20:13.879 --> 02:20:16.920 and Trump, and look is someone who actually lives here, 2765 02:20:18.040 --> 02:20:20.600 I don't regret my choice. Right, that was a pretty 2766 02:20:20.639 --> 02:20:24.120 easy choice to make. And you know you mentioned the 2767 02:20:24.879 --> 02:20:28.440 in the incredible you know, corruption of all of this, right, 2768 02:20:28.520 --> 02:20:32.319 the fact that you know, most of the opposition to 2769 02:20:32.600 --> 02:20:36.719 things that we think was not organic. It wasn't real, 2770 02:20:36.879 --> 02:20:39.159 It wasn't you know, as it has often presented the 2771 02:20:39.239 --> 02:20:43.680 inevitable conclusion to that argument. Uh, it was simply right, 2772 02:20:43.760 --> 02:20:47.840 government fiat, they just gave money to people who had 2773 02:20:48.040 --> 02:20:50.879 views that they liked. Right, the BBC got money, Axios 2774 02:20:50.959 --> 02:20:54.440 got money, as you mentioned. But you know, even even 2775 02:20:54.479 --> 02:20:57.559 people like Politico right, who is in charge of so 2776 02:20:57.680 --> 02:21:01.559 called fact checking. And to me, right, it very much 2777 02:21:01.639 --> 02:21:05.440 reminds me of you know, courtesy Arvin's point, you know, 2778 02:21:05.479 --> 02:21:08.600 where he says, you know, people people look at scans, 2779 02:21:08.959 --> 02:21:12.559 at this, at the Soviet system, but you know, really 2780 02:21:12.600 --> 02:21:16.319 we live in an economy or a society that's just 2781 02:21:16.399 --> 02:21:19.360 as much controlled by the government. And people laughed at 2782 02:21:19.399 --> 02:21:21.079 him right back in two thousand and eight when he 2783 02:21:21.120 --> 02:21:23.680 wrote it. But you know, you look at the receipts 2784 02:21:23.879 --> 02:21:25.559 and it turns out that you know, he may have 2785 02:21:25.559 --> 02:21:28.520 been underestimating it, right. It turns out that literally almost 2786 02:21:28.520 --> 02:21:31.479 all of these people are getting you know, hundreds of 2787 02:21:31.479 --> 02:21:33.639 thousands of dollars. Like the example that comes to mind 2788 02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:38.559 is Christianity Today, right, one of these kind of like 2789 02:21:38.920 --> 02:21:44.280 left leaning evangelical newspapers. And you know that this organization 2790 02:21:44.479 --> 02:21:48.000 swung hard to the left, you know, really post twenty 2791 02:21:48.040 --> 02:21:51.440 twenty and you'll never get what guess what happened just 2792 02:21:51.479 --> 02:21:55.719 before that? They got two million dollars from the federal government. Right, 2793 02:21:55.760 --> 02:21:59.079 It's it's amazing, how uh how that strategy works? 2794 02:21:59.200 --> 02:21:59.360 Right? 2795 02:22:01.200 --> 02:22:04.440 Yeah, you know the environmental groups were all bright paid 2796 02:22:04.440 --> 02:22:07.399 off with donor money. You know, you know it all 2797 02:22:07.440 --> 02:22:10.040 this stuff is it gets laundered. You know, I wrote 2798 02:22:10.040 --> 02:22:12.440 about this ten years ago, maybe I don't know, it's 2799 02:22:12.440 --> 02:22:16.479 been a long time now, but about how this laundering works. Now, 2800 02:22:16.520 --> 02:22:18.280 I think I did a show on this recently about 2801 02:22:18.399 --> 02:22:20.840 how this but I don't know, you know, honestly I 2802 02:22:21.200 --> 02:22:23.120 produced much content. I kind of lose track of what 2803 02:22:23.159 --> 02:22:27.319 the hell I'm doing sometimes, But you know, there's this 2804 02:22:28.079 --> 02:22:31.440 money laundering is really what this system was. No one 2805 02:22:31.520 --> 02:22:34.280 really could know for sure, so it felt like community 2806 02:22:34.319 --> 02:22:37.200 money to people. One of the weird things about and 2807 02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:39.399 this was true in the Soviet Union, and honestly it 2808 02:22:39.440 --> 02:22:43.479 was true in pre revolutionary France, you see these phenomena 2809 02:22:43.559 --> 02:22:47.000 show up where all of a sudden, a culture and 2810 02:22:47.319 --> 02:22:50.280 there's everywhere around you in the elite is social proof, 2811 02:22:50.840 --> 02:22:53.680 and it just feels like you have no choice but 2812 02:22:53.840 --> 02:22:58.239 to go along with what everybody else is doing. And 2813 02:22:58.280 --> 02:23:00.440 because it seems like, well, you know, you're getting finance 2814 02:23:00.479 --> 02:23:02.360 from this guy and he thinks this, And you're getting 2815 02:23:02.399 --> 02:23:04.079 a job maybe from this guy and he thinks this. 2816 02:23:04.120 --> 02:23:06.600 You know, everywhere you turn, everything you count on in 2817 02:23:06.680 --> 02:23:09.280 terms of your lifestyle and how you live your life 2818 02:23:10.040 --> 02:23:13.040 is it seems, you know, all these sources all seem 2819 02:23:13.079 --> 02:23:14.840 to be on the same page. Well it turns out 2820 02:23:14.840 --> 02:23:16.719 that they're all being paid by the same source, so 2821 02:23:16.879 --> 02:23:19.040 sure they are, but it doesn't seem that way to you. You know, 2822 02:23:19.280 --> 02:23:21.520 if these people were actually getting a direct government check 2823 02:23:21.600 --> 02:23:25.079 instead of getting uh, you know, support from people who 2824 02:23:25.120 --> 02:23:26.840 seem to be their friends, they probably would have been 2825 02:23:27.120 --> 02:23:29.440 some of them would have been more suspicious. But it 2826 02:23:29.600 --> 02:23:31.879 just kind of feels like, hey, everybody's doing this, and 2827 02:23:31.879 --> 02:23:34.399 it's you know, the social proof that that's developed around it. 2828 02:23:34.399 --> 02:23:36.600 It's exactly how the Soviet system work. I had this 2829 02:23:36.639 --> 02:23:39.799 thing called the embankment instead of apartments that were up 2830 02:23:39.840 --> 02:23:44.200 on this hill and on the river in Moscow and 2831 02:23:44.360 --> 02:23:47.280 all the apparach next to the new class. They live 2832 02:23:47.360 --> 02:23:50.239 there and it became a part, you know, they became 2833 02:23:50.280 --> 02:23:53.239 a new class. They got class consciousness. And then literally 2834 02:23:53.319 --> 02:23:56.040 is what's happened in Washington. It's the embankment. Now it's this, 2835 02:23:56.280 --> 02:23:58.639 you know, or Versai. There's another example, you know, where 2836 02:23:58.680 --> 02:24:02.120 all the royals, all the aristocrats live in this one area, 2837 02:24:02.399 --> 02:24:05.159 isolated from everyone else, and so it's very easy to 2838 02:24:05.200 --> 02:24:08.680 control the mental space they live in. And that really 2839 02:24:08.719 --> 02:24:10.799 is what's happened in Washington. That's why, you know all 2840 02:24:10.879 --> 02:24:12.000 these right wing people. 2841 02:24:12.200 --> 02:24:13.959 So was the right wing people, and they would. 2842 02:24:13.760 --> 02:24:17.319 Start out working for a National Review or the Federalist 2843 02:24:17.440 --> 02:24:21.719 or you know, CATO or you know these different operations, 2844 02:24:21.760 --> 02:24:24.479 you know, and before long they're at the Washington Post 2845 02:24:24.520 --> 02:24:26.360 of the New York Times sounding just like the people 2846 02:24:26.399 --> 02:24:28.959 they used to oppose, like, how how is this happening? Well, 2847 02:24:29.000 --> 02:24:31.799 they're all their friends. They just evolved with their friends. 2848 02:24:31.920 --> 02:24:35.520 I mean Patu Cannan talked about this back nineteen ninety two. 2849 02:24:35.719 --> 02:24:38.879 Is famous or family famous at the time, he said, 2850 02:24:38.879 --> 02:24:41.239 you know, your electric congressman he goes to Washington. Before 2851 02:24:41.280 --> 02:24:43.520 long he turns into a native of Washington. And that's 2852 02:24:43.559 --> 02:24:47.159 exactly what's been happening. But it was all made possible 2853 02:24:47.200 --> 02:24:51.959 by billions and billions and billions of taxpayer dollars financing 2854 02:24:52.079 --> 02:24:55.840 this political economy that was Washington. And it's going to 2855 02:24:55.879 --> 02:24:58.639 be interesting to watch. And when you're talking about laying 2856 02:24:58.639 --> 02:25:00.799 off twenty percent of the federal work course, which is 2857 02:25:00.840 --> 02:25:03.639 what they're what they're actually doing right now, they're laying 2858 02:25:03.719 --> 02:25:07.280 off a lot of people, but also piercing this you know, 2859 02:25:07.440 --> 02:25:10.600 this blob and draining money out of it. I mean, 2860 02:25:10.799 --> 02:25:14.000 you know, I've often said that every mortgage payment in Washington, 2861 02:25:14.120 --> 02:25:18.040 every college tuition payment, every quality college loan payment, every 2862 02:25:18.639 --> 02:25:21.639 opportunity to get your kids into a good private school, 2863 02:25:22.120 --> 02:25:25.479 all counted on nothing ever changing. And now everything's changing, 2864 02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:28.200 which means a lot of mortgage payments aren't gonna be made, 2865 02:25:28.200 --> 02:25:29.760 a lot of houses are go up for sale, a lot, 2866 02:25:29.799 --> 02:25:31.040 you know, a lot of It's going to be interesting 2867 02:25:31.120 --> 02:25:33.479 is what happens to the actual physical economy in Washington. 2868 02:25:33.559 --> 02:25:35.520 People have been watching the real estate market to see 2869 02:25:35.520 --> 02:25:38.559 what happens, and you know, we'll see how it unfolds. 2870 02:25:38.559 --> 02:25:43.000 But you know, it's fundamentally altering how Washington operates, because 2871 02:25:43.639 --> 02:25:46.559 you know, without without the billions and billions of dollars 2872 02:25:46.600 --> 02:25:50.680 from from the federal government, the machine stops. And and 2873 02:25:50.760 --> 02:25:53.479 again that that opens. It doesn't mean everything gets great 2874 02:25:53.520 --> 02:25:55.920 and rosy and all the problems are solved. It just 2875 02:25:56.079 --> 02:25:59.159 means that we live in a different world. Things are 2876 02:25:59.159 --> 02:26:01.680 going to operate theirfferent And that's why. Look, it's why 2877 02:26:01.760 --> 02:26:04.399 the Democrats don't know what to do, the Republicans don't 2878 02:26:04.440 --> 02:26:06.239 know what to do. These guys are poll acts. I mean, 2879 02:26:06.319 --> 02:26:10.440 Chuck Schumer, who is a vicious political animal, rolled over 2880 02:26:10.559 --> 02:26:14.239 and asked Trump to scratch his belly over that continuous resolution. 2881 02:26:15.280 --> 02:26:18.000 I've never seen anything like it. I mean, he looked defeated. 2882 02:26:18.920 --> 02:26:21.000 And I mean that that alone. I mean, my whole life, 2883 02:26:21.040 --> 02:26:23.879 Chuck Schumer has been a pit bull and to see 2884 02:26:23.920 --> 02:26:26.840 him like that, it was just it just it really 2885 02:26:26.879 --> 02:26:29.520 screamed at me that, man, something wild is going on 2886 02:26:29.600 --> 02:26:31.840 in Washington right now. And these people, it's not that 2887 02:26:31.959 --> 02:26:33.920 they're terrified. They don't know what to do, they don't 2888 02:26:33.959 --> 02:26:35.680 know how to respond, they don't know what to say. 2889 02:26:35.680 --> 02:26:38.399 And that's all good. I mean, we we're on the 2890 02:26:38.440 --> 02:26:41.440 side that says destroy the status quo. So the status 2891 02:26:41.719 --> 02:26:44.079 is being destroyed. Now what comes after we'll see. It 2892 02:26:44.079 --> 02:26:46.799 could be worse, or it could be something we don't like, 2893 02:26:46.840 --> 02:26:50.399 who knows, but at least we've moved the ball down 2894 02:26:50.520 --> 02:26:51.799 the field to this point. 2895 02:26:53.399 --> 02:26:56.520 Well, I'm glad that you brought up in a Northern 2896 02:26:56.639 --> 02:27:00.360 Virginia real estate prices because I have checked, and they 2897 02:27:00.399 --> 02:27:03.440 are absolutely cratering. I mean, I think that the average 2898 02:27:03.440 --> 02:27:06.239 home price in one week and I haven't you know, 2899 02:27:06.319 --> 02:27:10.840 checked since then, had created almost eighty thousand dollars, which is, 2900 02:27:11.000 --> 02:27:13.559 you know, even in an area that's you know, fairly 2901 02:27:13.559 --> 02:27:17.239 well off. That's apocalyptic. And I just want to say, 2902 02:27:17.239 --> 02:27:22.319 I could not feel less sympathy, right, And I'll be honest, 2903 02:27:22.360 --> 02:27:28.920 there's a part of this that look to me, there's 2904 02:27:28.920 --> 02:27:32.680 a certain amount of cultural decline that I don't think 2905 02:27:32.719 --> 02:27:34.559 we're going to be able to cheat our way out of. 2906 02:27:35.200 --> 02:27:35.399 Right. 2907 02:27:36.840 --> 02:27:41.600 But given the choice between total cultural decline with you know, 2908 02:27:41.639 --> 02:27:45.399 the eternal hr state and watching these people have to 2909 02:27:45.399 --> 02:27:49.479 squir them a little bit, I'll certainly take the second option, right. 2910 02:27:49.639 --> 02:27:52.159 And you know, as you mentioned, these have been the 2911 02:27:52.159 --> 02:27:55.479 things that the conservative movement has been trying to get 2912 02:27:55.520 --> 02:28:00.680 done for years, decades, and the fact that you know 2913 02:28:00.719 --> 02:28:03.479 these that so many changes were made so quickly, and 2914 02:28:03.639 --> 02:28:07.040 that you know, these people are basically in a tail spin. Uh, 2915 02:28:07.120 --> 02:28:11.120 it's heavy, right, It's easy to get swept away in 2916 02:28:11.159 --> 02:28:14.280 it because you know, as you mentioned, these people have 2917 02:28:15.559 --> 02:28:19.840 they conceptualize themselves as a distinct class. They see themselves 2918 02:28:19.920 --> 02:28:24.559 as better as above people like you and I. And 2919 02:28:25.840 --> 02:28:32.239 to realize how how unstable that was right, to realize that, 2920 02:28:32.600 --> 02:28:35.079 you know, you're effectively one stroke of a pen away 2921 02:28:35.120 --> 02:28:36.920 from being a normal person. 2922 02:28:37.639 --> 02:28:37.760 Uh. 2923 02:28:38.799 --> 02:28:41.719 You know, they don't seem to be coping with that well. 2924 02:28:42.399 --> 02:28:45.799 And uh again I'm just going to repeat myself. I 2925 02:28:45.840 --> 02:28:47.159 could not feel less sympathy. 2926 02:28:49.000 --> 02:28:50.879 Yeah, I'm not going to lie and say I'm not 2927 02:28:50.959 --> 02:28:54.399 enjoying this. I I you know, I I often think 2928 02:28:54.399 --> 02:28:56.040 about when I see one of them who are still 2929 02:28:56.079 --> 02:28:58.959 on Twitter, you know, moaning about how terrible things are, 2930 02:28:58.959 --> 02:29:01.319 and I think, man, this, this is great. This, this 2931 02:29:01.399 --> 02:29:03.600 is why we invented. Why the Germans gave us the 2932 02:29:03.639 --> 02:29:06.840 word shodenfreud. You know, we don't have a good word 2933 02:29:06.879 --> 02:29:10.200 in English for it, but you know, I find myself 2934 02:29:10.200 --> 02:29:13.399 from time to time, tempted to lick my computer monitor 2935 02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:18.319 to taste the sweet salty tears of the people. But yeah, 2936 02:29:18.399 --> 02:29:20.600 you know, look, you know, at the end of I mean, 2937 02:29:20.680 --> 02:29:23.360 in a lot of ways, we're going through here. You know, 2938 02:29:23.399 --> 02:29:25.879 we're finally the Cold War is finally ending. All the 2939 02:29:25.920 --> 02:29:29.360 mechanisms that built up over this time to win the 2940 02:29:29.360 --> 02:29:32.639 Cold War should have been turned off in nineteen ninety 2941 02:29:32.639 --> 02:29:35.159 two with Bill Clinton, and actually there was talk about 2942 02:29:35.159 --> 02:29:37.239 that in nineteen ninety two, but you know what, there 2943 02:29:37.319 --> 02:29:40.159 was just too many good jobs at good wages, and 2944 02:29:40.280 --> 02:29:43.559 instead they went a different way, and we've reached the 2945 02:29:43.600 --> 02:29:45.319 end of that road, where at the end of the 2946 02:29:45.440 --> 02:29:48.120 unipolar moment, the post Cold War, the end of history, 2947 02:29:48.159 --> 02:29:50.959 all the other bullshit, and a lot of this stuff 2948 02:29:51.000 --> 02:29:53.239 just has to be taken apart. And a lot of 2949 02:29:53.319 --> 02:29:55.680 it is driven by the fact that our richest people 2950 02:29:55.680 --> 02:29:58.760 are oligarchs. It was not an accident that, you know, 2951 02:29:58.879 --> 02:30:01.760 all the richest men and most powerful corporate leaders were 2952 02:30:01.760 --> 02:30:04.479 at Trump's inauguration and made sure they showed up at 2953 02:30:04.479 --> 02:30:07.840 Mar Alago. They swung behind this guy because I think 2954 02:30:07.879 --> 02:30:10.680 they realized that a lot of bad things were happening 2955 02:30:11.079 --> 02:30:13.799 and they needed to head this stuff off. The country 2956 02:30:13.959 --> 02:30:16.600 was in a lot more trouble perhaps than really we realized. 2957 02:30:17.479 --> 02:30:19.680 And that's what this is all about. I've I've talked 2958 02:30:19.680 --> 02:30:21.559 about it. As you know, America Inc. Is going through 2959 02:30:21.559 --> 02:30:24.600 a resizing. The board of trustees, the board of directors, 2960 02:30:24.600 --> 02:30:27.319 wherever you want to call them. They decided management was 2961 02:30:27.360 --> 02:30:29.440 screwing up. God enough, we got to we got to 2962 02:30:29.520 --> 02:30:32.879 change things. And they're bringing in new management. They're downsizing things, 2963 02:30:32.959 --> 02:30:35.840 getting rid of certain departments. We're going to outsource certain 2964 02:30:35.879 --> 02:30:40.360 functions back to the private sector. It's some aspects will 2965 02:30:40.360 --> 02:30:42.799 be sold off, you know. And that's what's happening in 2966 02:30:42.840 --> 02:30:46.280 foreign policy. Basically, we're going to we're going to uh 2967 02:30:46.639 --> 02:30:50.040 uh privatize Europe. We're gonna we're gonna take it. We're 2968 02:30:50.040 --> 02:30:51.760 gonna set up as its own thing and say nearer 2969 02:30:51.840 --> 02:30:53.280 on our own now, you know, go figure out how 2970 02:30:53.319 --> 02:30:56.799 to be a civilization again. And you know that that's 2971 02:30:56.840 --> 02:30:58.559 a lot what's happening here. I think, you know, there's 2972 02:30:58.600 --> 02:31:01.600 longer cycles too. I've written and talked about this. You know, 2973 02:31:01.719 --> 02:31:03.879 if you go back and look at Nixon, a lot 2974 02:31:03.920 --> 02:31:06.600 of the bad stuff that that we have today that 2975 02:31:06.639 --> 02:31:10.159 seems to be falling apart we started under Nixon. I mean, 2976 02:31:10.200 --> 02:31:12.520 that's you know, there's no question about it. The Paleos 2977 02:31:12.520 --> 02:31:14.479 wrote a lot about this, you know, the growth of 2978 02:31:14.479 --> 02:31:15.559 the managerial state and that. 2979 02:31:16.360 --> 02:31:18.280 But you know, what we're going through. 2980 02:31:18.559 --> 02:31:20.559 It's an interesting thing though, you know, in the Cold 2981 02:31:20.600 --> 02:31:23.559 War is important because at the end of the Cold War, 2982 02:31:23.760 --> 02:31:27.159 Russia was a poor country, but it was a lawful country. 2983 02:31:27.200 --> 02:31:29.280 And then it became a poor country that was unlawful, 2984 02:31:30.079 --> 02:31:32.920 and it reorganized itself, and now it's becoming a it's 2985 02:31:32.920 --> 02:31:35.479 all back to being a lawful country, and it's it's 2986 02:31:35.479 --> 02:31:39.200 slowly it's economy and it's doing pretty well economically. The 2987 02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:42.639 United States is a rich country that had become lawless. 2988 02:31:42.879 --> 02:31:45.120 We don't realize just how lawless we were over the 2989 02:31:45.200 --> 02:31:47.040 last ten years. I mean, all the stuff they did 2990 02:31:47.079 --> 02:31:49.840 to Trump, but you know, throwing these j six people 2991 02:31:49.840 --> 02:31:52.360 into dungeons, I mean, I mean, the abuses of these 2992 02:31:52.399 --> 02:31:56.280 people's civil basic civil rights, which just monstrous. No one, 2993 02:31:56.399 --> 02:31:59.319 you know, no one talks about that too much. I mean, 2994 02:31:59.440 --> 02:32:03.479 fortunately all been pardoned, but all kinds of things. I mean, 2995 02:32:03.520 --> 02:32:06.000 there's just lots of terrible things that we were becoming 2996 02:32:06.120 --> 02:32:09.280 lawless and now, I think we're going to go through 2997 02:32:09.280 --> 02:32:11.639 this really rough period where we're probably gonna be a 2998 02:32:11.680 --> 02:32:13.559 little poorer, and I don't think there's many out about it. 2999 02:32:13.559 --> 02:32:16.680 The economy is going to have some difficult moments. But 3000 02:32:17.719 --> 02:32:19.399 you know, if we can come back to being a 3001 02:32:19.479 --> 02:32:22.600 lawful society again and having some sanity, back to how 3002 02:32:22.959 --> 02:32:26.399 our countries run, we'll do okay. You know, we'll survive 3003 02:32:26.479 --> 02:32:29.280 the transition. And that really is what we're experiencing now. 3004 02:32:29.280 --> 02:32:31.680 We're at the beginning of this great transition out of 3005 02:32:31.719 --> 02:32:34.200 this past. You know, as I like to say, we're 3006 02:32:34.200 --> 02:32:36.559 about to join everybody else in the twenty first century. 3007 02:32:36.600 --> 02:32:36.719 Now. 3008 02:32:36.760 --> 02:32:40.000 You know, we'll stop talking about nineteen thirty eight, nineteen 3009 02:32:40.040 --> 02:32:42.920 sixty eight, nineteen eighty four at all. You know, these 3010 02:32:43.000 --> 02:32:45.040 dates that just keep coming up over and over again. 3011 02:32:45.319 --> 02:32:47.159 We'll finally be able to shut the door on that stuff. 3012 02:32:47.200 --> 02:32:51.120 And you know that's that means we're also going to 3013 02:32:51.159 --> 02:32:54.000 have to We're going to have to develop a new 3014 02:32:54.239 --> 02:32:56.600 set of values, things that are important to us, new 3015 02:32:56.680 --> 02:32:58.520 customs and culture. You don't go back and say, oh, 3016 02:32:58.520 --> 02:33:00.520 we're just going to go and adopt these old ways 3017 02:33:00.600 --> 02:33:03.239 that just it doesn't work that way. So it's going 3018 02:33:03.280 --> 02:33:06.000 to be an interesting interesting time, you know. I mean 3019 02:33:06.040 --> 02:33:09.239 I say interesting, not necessarily good interesting. It's going to 3020 02:33:09.319 --> 02:33:11.559 be some bad interesting as well, because a lot of 3021 02:33:12.440 --> 02:33:14.520 you know, a lot of the stuff we take for 3022 02:33:14.559 --> 02:33:16.319 granted is going to be called into question. Now I 3023 02:33:16.360 --> 02:33:19.159 have to say stuff. You know, our values are point 3024 02:33:19.239 --> 02:33:21.719 in our lives as individuals, how we go about, how 3025 02:33:21.760 --> 02:33:24.559 we work, how we spend our money. You know, Uh, 3026 02:33:25.000 --> 02:33:26.360 a lot of a lot of stuff's going to change, 3027 02:33:26.399 --> 02:33:28.399 and and some people will do better than others. 3028 02:33:30.520 --> 02:33:35.239 Yeah, I to me, and I might this might be 3029 02:33:35.319 --> 02:33:39.280 recency bias. But if you could pin down a moment 3030 02:33:39.600 --> 02:33:42.159 that it seems as if you know, the post war 3031 02:33:42.200 --> 02:33:46.120 consensus died, right, the so called rules based international order 3032 02:33:46.280 --> 02:33:48.959 was you know, finally the nail was put into the coffin. 3033 02:33:49.920 --> 02:33:52.920 It was, uh, you know Trump and Vance's interaction with Selenski. 3034 02:33:53.799 --> 02:33:57.760 Because to me, and I know there was some coverage 3035 02:33:57.760 --> 02:33:59.920 of this that you know said it, Oh, it's all 3036 02:34:00.399 --> 02:34:02.360 you know, it's all a game, right, it was a 3037 02:34:02.399 --> 02:34:05.920 deliberate plan to create some kind of media spectacle. I 3038 02:34:05.920 --> 02:34:06.879 don't believe. 3039 02:34:06.520 --> 02:34:07.239 That, right. 3040 02:34:07.280 --> 02:34:09.920 To me, that seems as if you know, Trump Advance, 3041 02:34:10.280 --> 02:34:14.319 after a fairly long conversation got rightfully very annoyed with 3042 02:34:14.479 --> 02:34:21.000 the rat King of Ukraine, and in the weak sense, right, 3043 02:34:21.440 --> 02:34:23.719 the discussion over you know, what will likely be a 3044 02:34:23.760 --> 02:34:28.239 peace in Ukraine has basically just been between Donald Trump 3045 02:34:28.280 --> 02:34:30.879 and the Russian government right there. There's no even fig 3046 02:34:30.959 --> 02:34:34.280 leaf anymore that you know, Zelenski has a say in 3047 02:34:34.319 --> 02:34:36.920 this matter. And look like I know that the Europeans 3048 02:34:36.920 --> 02:34:41.280 are making noises. We will see what the Europeans end 3049 02:34:41.360 --> 02:34:45.559 up doing. But I think that that's an interesting, an 3050 02:34:45.559 --> 02:34:48.719 interesting move, right, the recognition, which, let's be honest, may 3051 02:34:48.719 --> 02:34:52.040 have always been true that you know, really what this 3052 02:34:52.120 --> 02:34:55.319 matters is this kind of conversation between you know, individual 3053 02:34:55.440 --> 02:34:58.680 leaders of a nation more so than this you know 3054 02:34:58.760 --> 02:35:03.000 system of different un security councils and all that. And 3055 02:35:03.040 --> 02:35:05.559 I think that that, to a certain degree, it's a 3056 02:35:05.559 --> 02:35:09.040 more honest view of it, right. It is how it 3057 02:35:09.079 --> 02:35:12.799 has always happened, just kind of stripped of a certain 3058 02:35:12.879 --> 02:35:17.079 level of nicety. And you know, when I look at this, right, 3059 02:35:17.920 --> 02:35:20.920 the analogy to the late Soviet Union is kind of 3060 02:35:20.920 --> 02:35:24.000 apt because that was a you know, an aging system 3061 02:35:24.040 --> 02:35:26.520 that no one really believed in anymore, but it just 3062 02:35:26.600 --> 02:35:29.600 had this kind of momentum. And you know, I think 3063 02:35:29.639 --> 02:35:31.680 that the you know, a certain part of the kind 3064 02:35:31.680 --> 02:35:35.159 of like the US International Empire, it faced the same 3065 02:35:35.200 --> 02:35:37.840 problem right that it was it was out of date. 3066 02:35:37.879 --> 02:35:41.040 It was kind of coasting on, you know, the cultural 3067 02:35:41.079 --> 02:35:44.440 ideas of a previous era, and it was was floundering, 3068 02:35:45.159 --> 02:35:48.440 right and to me, and I could be wrong, but 3069 02:35:48.479 --> 02:35:50.639 I think that in you know, twenty thirty years, that 3070 02:35:50.680 --> 02:35:53.399 will be seen as the kind of like emblematic movement 3071 02:35:53.440 --> 02:35:54.040 of that shift. 3072 02:35:56.360 --> 02:35:59.840 Yeah, you know, it's it's funny. I don't know you 3073 02:36:00.879 --> 02:36:02.680 recency bi It is the right word, you know, because 3074 02:36:02.680 --> 02:36:07.399 I a couple weeks ago, Paul Ramsey and I did 3075 02:36:07.399 --> 02:36:10.239 a show on Reagan, and we both were teenagers when 3076 02:36:10.280 --> 02:36:12.680 Reagan was riding high. And one of the things we 3077 02:36:12.719 --> 02:36:15.559 talked about is that if you lived in that period, 3078 02:36:15.559 --> 02:36:17.280 you thought, man, that Reagan's going to be He's going 3079 02:36:17.319 --> 02:36:19.760 to be on Mount Rushmore. He's up there, He's FDR 3080 02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:23.280 two great presidents of the twentieth century, and then Lincoln, 3081 02:36:23.360 --> 02:36:25.920 you know, and Jefferson. You know, I don't think about 3082 02:36:25.959 --> 02:36:28.719 Reagan at all anymore, all these years later. I mean, 3083 02:36:28.760 --> 02:36:31.399 I lived through it, you know, so I should, you know, 3084 02:36:31.760 --> 02:36:34.920 getting into my geezerhood. I should be nostalgic for those days, 3085 02:36:35.079 --> 02:36:35.639 don't think. 3086 02:36:35.479 --> 02:36:36.879 About it at all. 3087 02:36:36.920 --> 02:36:39.680 And you know, it's weird how that that those things 3088 02:36:39.760 --> 02:36:42.280 can happen. Stuff that's important in the moment can easily 3089 02:36:43.040 --> 02:36:46.000 just disappear from the collective consciousness, and things that didn't 3090 02:36:46.000 --> 02:36:48.559 seem all that important at the time can can rise up. 3091 02:36:48.600 --> 02:36:48.760 You know. 3092 02:36:49.280 --> 02:36:53.079 I think, you know, right now, if I were going 3093 02:36:53.120 --> 02:36:56.159 to guess at something that was sort of a pivot point, 3094 02:36:56.520 --> 02:36:59.920 you know, it's going to be the twenty twenty election. 3095 02:37:00.680 --> 02:37:04.079 I think a lot of people, not just average Americans, 3096 02:37:04.120 --> 02:37:07.319 but I think a lot of wealthy people looked at 3097 02:37:07.319 --> 02:37:09.680 that and said, what the hell is going on here? 3098 02:37:09.959 --> 02:37:12.600 I mean that whole everything about that was shocking to 3099 02:37:12.680 --> 02:37:13.440 a lot of people. 3100 02:37:13.760 --> 02:37:14.959 Some you know, it was. 3101 02:37:16.600 --> 02:37:19.079 Shocking for different reasons, but I think generally that that 3102 02:37:19.559 --> 02:37:21.520 people looked at that and said, you know what, we've 3103 02:37:21.559 --> 02:37:24.799 become a lawless were You know, that's no different than 3104 02:37:25.399 --> 02:37:28.600 the Senate assassinating Caesar in uh. 3105 02:37:28.319 --> 02:37:28.879 You know, in Rome. 3106 02:37:28.920 --> 02:37:32.040 I mean, this is breaks, this is the break. And 3107 02:37:32.079 --> 02:37:34.319 I think I think in the fullness of time, we'll 3108 02:37:34.360 --> 02:37:36.159 look back and say that that was the moment in 3109 02:37:36.200 --> 02:37:39.639 which the economic elites, a lot of cultural is. A 3110 02:37:39.680 --> 02:37:42.280 lot of people started talking privately that, hey, we've got 3111 02:37:42.280 --> 02:37:46.319 a big problem here. Something's gone horribly wrong, and I 3112 02:37:46.399 --> 02:37:48.000 saw I think that may be it. I mean, I 3113 02:37:48.000 --> 02:37:49.639 could be completely wrong, but I do think that that 3114 02:37:49.760 --> 02:37:51.520 turned out to be a seminal moment because it's not 3115 02:37:51.559 --> 02:37:54.280 just the election itself. I think it was also the 3116 02:37:54.280 --> 02:37:57.840 the treatment of the people, the attitudes, I mean, just 3117 02:37:57.959 --> 02:38:03.159 the sneering contempt of the average person by Washington. I 3118 02:38:03.159 --> 02:38:06.360 think that shocked a lot of people. And you know, 3119 02:38:06.399 --> 02:38:08.360 it was downhill ever since. I mean, that was really 3120 02:38:08.440 --> 02:38:11.280 peak bad guys. You know, it's peak all the bad guys. 3121 02:38:11.319 --> 02:38:13.799 That was their best time. And if you think about it, 3122 02:38:14.159 --> 02:38:18.879 every month, every year from that point forward, things got 3123 02:38:18.920 --> 02:38:21.280 worse and worse for the bad guys. You know, when 3124 02:38:21.319 --> 02:38:24.520 did my buy Twitter? Was it twenty twenty three, twenty 3125 02:38:24.520 --> 02:38:26.159 twenty two, something like That's when it started? 3126 02:38:26.719 --> 02:38:27.440 Yeah, I believe so. 3127 02:38:28.159 --> 02:38:31.600 Yeah, So you know that there's another item you could 3128 02:38:31.600 --> 02:38:33.399 point to and say that was a turning point because 3129 02:38:33.399 --> 02:38:35.639 it look, this was basically the richest man in the 3130 02:38:35.639 --> 02:38:37.760 world saying I'm going to buy one of the more 3131 02:38:37.760 --> 02:38:41.360 influential platforms because I disagree with the politics which happens 3132 02:38:41.360 --> 02:38:43.719 to be the politics of the people in charge. That 3133 02:38:44.000 --> 02:38:45.920 had to be a big message. If you're the second 3134 02:38:46.040 --> 02:38:49.399 richest guy, you took notice. If you're the twentieth richest guy, 3135 02:38:49.440 --> 02:38:53.200 you took notice. So you know, I mean, it'd be 3136 02:38:53.200 --> 02:38:56.159 interesting to you know, to see what, you know, how 3137 02:38:56.200 --> 02:38:58.760 people look back on it as how things change. But 3138 02:38:58.920 --> 02:39:01.559 I do think and it really brings up. It actually 3139 02:39:01.600 --> 02:39:04.760 just pop in my head, you know, is a good 3140 02:39:04.760 --> 02:39:06.959 example of how you never know. When Trump came down 3141 02:39:06.959 --> 02:39:09.040 that escalator, how many people thought he would be this 3142 02:39:09.159 --> 02:39:13.680 world altering figure, He would be this one arguably in 3143 02:39:13.760 --> 02:39:15.520 the running for one of the most important people in 3144 02:39:15.520 --> 02:39:17.799 the last fifty years. I don't think anybody, I can't 3145 02:39:17.799 --> 02:39:20.479 imagine anybody, not even Donald Trump, thought that he was 3146 02:39:20.479 --> 02:39:24.120 going to be this seminal figure. When you look at 3147 02:39:24.120 --> 02:39:25.959 the last ten years, I mean, this man went from 3148 02:39:26.000 --> 02:39:30.639 being an entertaining television and real estate entrepreneur to being 3149 02:39:30.760 --> 02:39:35.079 the most consequential man in the lifetime of half the country. Yeah, 3150 02:39:35.280 --> 02:39:37.280 I mean, you have to be old like me to think, well, 3151 02:39:38.079 --> 02:39:41.440 there was more consequential people when I was younger. But 3152 02:39:41.719 --> 02:39:46.000 you know, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you asked 3153 02:39:46.040 --> 02:39:47.719 me five years from now, I'll say, yeah, Trump was 3154 02:39:47.760 --> 02:39:51.479 probably the most consequential figure in my lifetime because everything 3155 02:39:51.559 --> 02:39:55.360 changes during that period. So I don't know, I mean, 3156 02:39:55.399 --> 02:39:57.639 you can you know, that pivot point of history, the 3157 02:39:57.680 --> 02:39:59.239 inflection point. 3158 02:40:00.239 --> 02:40:00.879 Years from now, who. 3159 02:40:00.799 --> 02:40:02.760 Knows what we'll be, but you know, but certainly right now, 3160 02:40:02.840 --> 02:40:04.639 I think as well, there's a lot of contenders the 3161 02:40:04.639 --> 02:40:09.559 twenty twenty election, the russ Must buying a Twitter, Trump 3162 02:40:09.600 --> 02:40:11.920 getting shot, I mean, that was think about the anormity 3163 02:40:11.920 --> 02:40:14.440 of that. I mean, yeah, there's been a lot of 3164 02:40:14.479 --> 02:40:16.079 history in the last ten years. 3165 02:40:17.120 --> 02:40:20.000 Well, and and look, I've joked a couple of times 3166 02:40:20.040 --> 02:40:23.600 that COVID was Vietnam for gen Z and they'll never 3167 02:40:23.639 --> 02:40:27.159 shut up about it. But I do think there's something 3168 02:40:27.200 --> 02:40:31.840 to that, right, that that was and it was hard 3169 02:40:31.840 --> 02:40:35.840 to tell at the time, right if that was you know, 3170 02:40:35.879 --> 02:40:38.680 as we heard from you know, certain figures at the WFF, 3171 02:40:38.799 --> 02:40:41.239 that was really the new normal, right if they had 3172 02:40:41.280 --> 02:40:43.440 done it, If they had you know, they had managed 3173 02:40:43.479 --> 02:40:46.319 to you know, get the ring and become you know, 3174 02:40:46.399 --> 02:40:49.200 kind of like the eternal hr overlords of the world. 3175 02:40:50.079 --> 02:40:52.200 And you know, I think the further and further we 3176 02:40:52.200 --> 02:40:54.799 get away from it. It seems as if no, that 3177 02:40:54.920 --> 02:40:58.639 was sort of a last gasp, Right, that was a 3178 02:40:58.639 --> 02:41:01.840 massive miscalculation, you know, basically putting all your chips on 3179 02:41:01.879 --> 02:41:05.079 the table. And you know, while it certainly had a 3180 02:41:05.120 --> 02:41:07.680 short to medium term benefit, Right, they were able to 3181 02:41:07.719 --> 02:41:09.200 do a lot of things they wanted in a short 3182 02:41:09.239 --> 02:41:12.760 amount of time, it costs them too much, right, They 3183 02:41:13.040 --> 02:41:18.280 they expended too much political capital, and now they're being 3184 02:41:18.319 --> 02:41:23.120 punished for it. To me, I think that you know, 3185 02:41:23.440 --> 02:41:27.120 a neat heuristic, right when kind of parsing if something 3186 02:41:27.200 --> 02:41:29.879 is a win or not is basically you know, do 3187 02:41:29.959 --> 02:41:32.440 your enemies get punished? Do your friends get rewarded? 3188 02:41:33.000 --> 02:41:33.159 Right? 3189 02:41:33.159 --> 02:41:36.879 It's not particularly sophisticated, but it works. And in this case, 3190 02:41:37.200 --> 02:41:41.799 our enemies are certainly being punished. Right, The unaccounted, unaccountable 3191 02:41:41.879 --> 02:41:45.440 bureaucracy is being brought to heal. They are losing their jobs. 3192 02:41:45.520 --> 02:41:49.360 They are you know, at best, being forced to retire early. 3193 02:41:49.840 --> 02:41:53.479 At worst, like the Voice of America reporters, they're just 3194 02:41:53.719 --> 02:41:57.200 you know, thrown out on their ear. And the other side, right, 3195 02:41:57.239 --> 02:42:01.639 are our friends being rewarded? I would say yes, right, 3196 02:42:01.719 --> 02:42:07.239 like you Manson mentioned the Jan six protesters, And what's 3197 02:42:07.280 --> 02:42:10.719 interesting about that is at first it was, you know, 3198 02:42:11.639 --> 02:42:15.959 just pardons for the quote unquote non violent offenders. But 3199 02:42:15.959 --> 02:42:17.840 when it actually came time for Trump to sign them, 3200 02:42:18.120 --> 02:42:21.920 he just signed everyone, right, he let them all go. 3201 02:42:22.760 --> 02:42:24.920 And look like, I am not the kind of person 3202 02:42:24.959 --> 02:42:27.680 who would have really, in any context been likely to 3203 02:42:27.760 --> 02:42:31.840 be at an event like you know, the electoral justice protest. 3204 02:42:32.280 --> 02:42:34.920 But nonetheless, right, those are our people, right, those are 3205 02:42:34.959 --> 02:42:38.399 good normal Americans. And the fact that you know they 3206 02:42:38.440 --> 02:42:40.760 were freed from jail while all of these people are 3207 02:42:40.760 --> 02:42:44.479 being fired, that's a strong indication that you know, this 3208 02:42:44.680 --> 02:42:46.360 was a good move for us. 3209 02:42:46.319 --> 02:42:50.559 Right, Yeah, you know, it's it's. 3210 02:42:51.879 --> 02:42:54.559 It's again, you know, it's you can't expect that, I 3211 02:42:54.680 --> 02:42:58.159 guess some people and I frankly, I've lost all patients 3212 02:42:58.159 --> 02:42:59.559 with the black pillars. 3213 02:42:59.200 --> 02:42:59.360 You know. 3214 02:42:59.680 --> 02:43:02.559 Yeah, you know there's times where when you lose or 3215 02:43:02.559 --> 02:43:05.079 things are going bad there, for some reason or other, 3216 02:43:05.120 --> 02:43:07.000 it feels good to kind of blackpill And I get that. 3217 02:43:07.079 --> 02:43:09.360 We all do it, you know, you do it and everything. 3218 02:43:09.399 --> 02:43:11.719 It's not just politics. But yeah, you know, you look 3219 02:43:11.719 --> 02:43:14.520 at the sporting events, people who watch sports, you know, 3220 02:43:14.600 --> 02:43:16.799 there's a joke. You know, I can't wait for the game, 3221 02:43:16.840 --> 02:43:18.799 and then five minutes later, I want to kill myself, 3222 02:43:18.920 --> 02:43:21.760 fire the coach. You know, it's it's true, you know, 3223 02:43:21.799 --> 02:43:24.040 we you know, it's kind of how we normally react. 3224 02:43:24.040 --> 02:43:28.399 But right now, in the balance, you know, things are 3225 02:43:28.600 --> 02:43:30.479 really going our way. I mean, look, there was a 3226 02:43:30.520 --> 02:43:32.760 time where a lot of people who were online or 3227 02:43:32.879 --> 02:43:35.120 I know, people who dropped out of politics because they 3228 02:43:35.159 --> 02:43:39.479 were terrified of the SPLC or any of these lunatics 3229 02:43:39.600 --> 02:43:42.639 on Twitter getting their information and trying to destroy their lives. 3230 02:43:42.639 --> 02:43:45.600 They could actually get people fired. Well, that doesn't happen anymore. 3231 02:43:46.040 --> 02:43:47.000 That is over with. 3232 02:43:47.159 --> 02:43:50.239 And those people who have been herded into blue Sky 3233 02:43:50.399 --> 02:43:52.840 so they can be weird with each other and ignored 3234 02:43:52.879 --> 02:43:55.239 by everybody else. You know, it's kind of like a 3235 02:43:55.399 --> 02:43:57.280 you know, it's become a zoo. You know, you go 3236 02:43:57.360 --> 02:43:59.239 to people go over there or some of these reddit 3237 02:43:59.399 --> 02:44:02.959 uhs subreddits, you know, you go, you know, to just 3238 02:44:03.079 --> 02:44:05.239 see what the crazies are up to. You know, in 3239 02:44:05.600 --> 02:44:08.520 China they actually have tours where you can go right 3240 02:44:08.559 --> 02:44:11.520 to the North Korean border and look and see the 3241 02:44:11.520 --> 02:44:13.319 North Koreans. It's kind of like they treat it like 3242 02:44:13.319 --> 02:44:14.920 a zoo where you look over the border at the 3243 02:44:14.920 --> 02:44:17.559 North Korean Zoo. We have the same thing now with 3244 02:44:17.799 --> 02:44:20.040 these crazies who are riding high just five or six 3245 02:44:20.120 --> 02:44:23.360 years ago. So, I mean, there's tons of good stuff happening. 3246 02:44:24.079 --> 02:44:26.760 But again, you know it's not we're not we're not 3247 02:44:26.840 --> 02:44:31.440 turning fifty sixty seventy years of mistakes over in a 3248 02:44:32.120 --> 02:44:33.600 what's it Trump in an office? 3249 02:44:33.600 --> 02:44:36.200 What? Three months? Two months? You know it's going to 3250 02:44:36.239 --> 02:44:36.879 think a lot longer. 3251 02:44:36.920 --> 02:44:39.360 You know, this is a generational project that's starting now. 3252 02:44:39.719 --> 02:44:42.520 You know, Trump will hopefully hand a baton off to Vance, 3253 02:44:42.600 --> 02:44:46.719 and Vance will continue this project. And you know, twenty 3254 02:44:47.000 --> 02:44:49.239 or twenty thirty two, people will look back and be 3255 02:44:49.360 --> 02:44:52.559 shocked that people actually were willing to tolerate things like 3256 02:44:52.639 --> 02:44:57.000 COVID or the docksing business or you know, any of 3257 02:44:57.000 --> 02:44:58.639 this kind of stuff. You know, the world will be 3258 02:44:58.680 --> 02:45:00.600 that much different. I mean that's the oh, I mean, 3259 02:45:01.000 --> 02:45:02.040 you know, it's my hope. 3260 02:45:02.079 --> 02:45:06.440 Anyway, Well, to me, I actually think one of the 3261 02:45:07.159 --> 02:45:10.799 most significant stories, uh that has kind of fallen out 3262 02:45:10.799 --> 02:45:13.319 of uh you know, falling out of the discussion rather 3263 02:45:13.399 --> 02:45:17.920 quickly is the so called quote big balls situation. Right, 3264 02:45:18.239 --> 02:45:21.280 Uh so for a little bit of background, Right, there 3265 02:45:21.360 --> 02:45:23.559 was this kid, I believe he's working with Dose, I 3266 02:45:23.559 --> 02:45:28.000 can't remember what, Uh, excuse me. And he had an 3267 02:45:28.079 --> 02:45:31.360 edgy Twitter account called big Balls where he would say 3268 02:45:31.399 --> 02:45:33.920 things that you know, would be quite familiar to us 3269 02:45:33.920 --> 02:45:36.559 in ours. Right, you know, it was an edgy twittered 3270 02:45:36.680 --> 02:45:41.000 ault and uh, this got revealed, it was brought to 3271 02:45:41.040 --> 02:45:45.280 the attention of the government, and he was initially fired. 3272 02:45:45.600 --> 02:45:45.799 Right. 3273 02:45:46.040 --> 02:45:48.840 That's actually pretty normal, Right, that sort of thing has 3274 02:45:48.879 --> 02:45:52.120 happened a number of times. But what's interesting is that 3275 02:45:52.440 --> 02:45:56.479 jd Vance comes to this kid's defense. He basically says, 3276 02:45:56.799 --> 02:45:59.840 you know, we don't do this anymore. We don't you 3277 02:46:00.200 --> 02:46:03.040 fire people because of you know, what our enemies think 3278 02:46:03.040 --> 02:46:07.120 about them. And look like I've certainly been skeptical Advance, 3279 02:46:07.200 --> 02:46:09.799 but you know that I found that kind of endearing. 3280 02:46:10.000 --> 02:46:13.120 It's like fair enough, right, And the fact that he 3281 02:46:13.239 --> 02:46:18.239 is routinely denied the moral authority of his opposition, I 3282 02:46:18.319 --> 02:46:22.520 think that's a very strong development, especially when you consider 3283 02:46:23.000 --> 02:46:26.840 right that you know, regardless of your opinion on Dvance, 3284 02:46:26.879 --> 02:46:29.799 it's very clear that you know he has been he 3285 02:46:29.920 --> 02:46:32.360 is being groomed as the successor because in the in 3286 02:46:32.399 --> 02:46:36.239 the big balls case. Right, A reporter asks Trump, well, 3287 02:46:36.280 --> 02:46:39.559 what do you think of this? And what does Trump do? Well, 3288 02:46:39.799 --> 02:46:42.440 he looks advanced and basically says, well, I don't know 3289 02:46:42.440 --> 02:46:46.079 anything about it, but if says it's a good idea, 3290 02:46:46.120 --> 02:46:49.879 it has my seal of approval, then it's done. And 3291 02:46:49.920 --> 02:46:53.159 that's significant for a number of reasons, right, because that 3292 02:46:53.280 --> 02:46:56.680 is a signal from the very top that this kind 3293 02:46:56.680 --> 02:46:59.639 of like eternal cancelation that is kind of plagued to 3294 02:46:59.639 --> 02:47:03.959 the right for decades, that will not be tolerated anymore. 3295 02:47:04.520 --> 02:47:08.319 And look, well, obviously you know the stated recipient for 3296 02:47:08.399 --> 02:47:12.479 that was the activist left. I think the other people 3297 02:47:12.479 --> 02:47:15.399 who were on notice of that was basically the conservative movement. 3298 02:47:15.559 --> 02:47:15.719 Right. 3299 02:47:15.760 --> 02:47:19.200 You mentioned Francis earlier, and we all know what happened 3300 02:47:19.200 --> 02:47:23.360 to him, right, He got canceled not by you know, 3301 02:47:23.440 --> 02:47:26.639 the the left wing radicals of his day, but you know, 3302 02:47:26.879 --> 02:47:30.760 by Dinesh Desuza right within the house, so to speak. 3303 02:47:31.360 --> 02:47:34.120 And so you know, again, I think that that's a 3304 02:47:34.280 --> 02:47:36.319 very promising trend if that continues. 3305 02:47:37.920 --> 02:47:41.360 Yeah, you know, look, I will I'll put myself on 3306 02:47:41.399 --> 02:47:44.239 the back for being early on dvance. But when he 3307 02:47:44.360 --> 02:47:47.040 was third place in the polls. When he first launched 3308 02:47:47.040 --> 02:47:50.000 the Senate campaign, I wrote an essay explaining why he 3309 02:47:50.079 --> 02:47:52.239 was the best choice. And everything I wrote and I 3310 02:47:52.280 --> 02:47:55.719 turned out to be right. And the reason is that 3311 02:47:55.879 --> 02:47:59.200 Fans is an interesting guy. He is actually a real 3312 02:47:59.200 --> 02:48:02.319 flesh and blood per You know, he grew poor, and 3313 02:48:02.360 --> 02:48:04.600 you know he wasn't you know, living under a bridge 3314 02:48:04.639 --> 02:48:06.959 or anything like that. But you know, he grew up, uh, 3315 02:48:07.159 --> 02:48:09.399 working class, I guess the way to put it. But 3316 02:48:09.520 --> 02:48:11.920 he wanted to be one of the beautiful people. And 3317 02:48:12.000 --> 02:48:14.760 he got there and he realized that his only reason 3318 02:48:14.760 --> 02:48:17.920 that they allowed him in was because he was really 3319 02:48:17.920 --> 02:48:20.719 nothing more than a long jockey. He was this this 3320 02:48:20.799 --> 02:48:23.000 token they could put on their charm braceles and say, ooh, 3321 02:48:23.079 --> 02:48:25.000 we helped the poor guy. We fell out a poor 3322 02:48:25.040 --> 02:48:28.719 guy in And I think it set off a revolution 3323 02:48:28.840 --> 02:48:31.639 in his mind that said, no, I'm not going to 3324 02:48:31.719 --> 02:48:32.159 live like this. 3325 02:48:32.200 --> 02:48:33.479 I'm not going to be this kind of guy. 3326 02:48:34.000 --> 02:48:37.719 And he when he's become a different person, and uh, 3327 02:48:37.799 --> 02:48:39.559 and you could see it. I mean, I look, I 3328 02:48:40.239 --> 02:48:41.840 say this as someone who kind of went through a 3329 02:48:41.959 --> 02:48:44.479 very similar experience, So I mean, I guess it's easier 3330 02:48:44.479 --> 02:48:46.920 for me to recognize but uh, you know he uh, 3331 02:48:47.520 --> 02:48:49.840 he's just a different guy than he was, you know before. 3332 02:48:49.879 --> 02:48:54.000 He really kind of down this road and he denies 3333 02:48:54.399 --> 02:48:58.479 the other sides moral claims. He doesn't you know, he 3334 02:48:58.559 --> 02:49:00.120 is not you know, he's kind of like a guy 3335 02:49:00.479 --> 02:49:04.239 who is outside of their religion and doesn't really care 3336 02:49:04.319 --> 02:49:06.799 to know about their religion, and he has no interest 3337 02:49:06.799 --> 02:49:09.040 in following the edicts of their religion. So he just 3338 02:49:09.280 --> 02:49:11.399 you know, shrugged his shoulders when they say these things. 3339 02:49:11.520 --> 02:49:13.760 And that's a great thing. That is a huge development. 3340 02:49:14.399 --> 02:49:15.799 And I think in a lot of ways that Trump 3341 02:49:16.200 --> 02:49:18.879 sensed us about fans. He wasn't going to pick fans 3342 02:49:19.079 --> 02:49:22.040 until he got shot, and then then it clearly changed 3343 02:49:22.040 --> 02:49:24.959 his mind and decided to go Advance for this reason. 3344 02:49:25.000 --> 02:49:27.479 You know, I think the best thing that ever happened 3345 02:49:27.520 --> 02:49:29.559 is that happened to him, probably is that they took 3346 02:49:29.559 --> 02:49:33.319 a shot at Trump and missed. But but you know, 3347 02:49:33.360 --> 02:49:34.760 I think, you know, Vance in a lot of ways, 3348 02:49:34.840 --> 02:49:39.920 what he stepped in and saved big balls. You know 3349 02:49:40.799 --> 02:49:45.040 it it was the end. It killed the whole docsing world, 3350 02:49:45.079 --> 02:49:47.280 you know, all these efforts. I mean, it was on 3351 02:49:47.680 --> 02:49:50.639 sin Ice right away. But when the second most important 3352 02:49:50.639 --> 02:49:54.799 guy in the world says, I don't care if you 3353 02:49:54.799 --> 02:49:57.000 you know, you want me to fire this guy, We're 3354 02:49:57.000 --> 02:49:59.600 not going to do it. Go screw that's it. They 3355 02:49:59.639 --> 02:50:02.040 lost all of their authority, you know, they have nothing 3356 02:50:02.120 --> 02:50:05.479 left at that point. And again it's another another good thing, 3357 02:50:05.559 --> 02:50:07.360 you know. I mean, it doesn't you know, it doesn't 3358 02:50:07.360 --> 02:50:10.840 mean that, you know, you can go out in public 3359 02:50:10.879 --> 02:50:14.879 and start using racial epithets without you know, a consequence. 3360 02:50:15.159 --> 02:50:19.360 You know, we still have you know, generally agreed upon 3361 02:50:19.399 --> 02:50:21.520 behavior that you're not supposed to say certain things and 3362 02:50:21.639 --> 02:50:23.120 do certain things in public and all that. 3363 02:50:23.399 --> 02:50:24.559 And I don't think anybody. 3364 02:50:24.239 --> 02:50:27.639 Should complain about that. But if you if you use 3365 02:50:27.680 --> 02:50:31.079 some locker room humor in a private chat, or you 3366 02:50:31.120 --> 02:50:33.040 say so you get a little carried away on Twitter 3367 02:50:33.120 --> 02:50:36.799 or something, well, you know, the the mature adult response 3368 02:50:36.879 --> 02:50:39.479 now is real it back in a little bit, you 3369 02:50:39.559 --> 02:50:42.399 know that, don't be so careless and move on. You know, 3370 02:50:42.440 --> 02:50:44.680 it's not this, Oh my god, we've got to banish 3371 02:50:44.680 --> 02:50:47.399 this person and destroy his life, you know, because I mean, 3372 02:50:48.000 --> 02:50:51.479 I think about how weird this is that you know, 3373 02:50:51.600 --> 02:50:54.680 people were having their lives destroyed because of something they tweeted. 3374 02:50:54.719 --> 02:50:57.159 I mean about just how insane, that is, you know, 3375 02:50:57.239 --> 02:50:59.079 it's it's the kind of thing that you would expect 3376 02:50:59.159 --> 02:51:02.079 in a a grammar school where you know, all of 3377 02:51:02.120 --> 02:51:04.120 a sudden, you know you you did something wrong on 3378 02:51:04.159 --> 02:51:05.879 this on the school yard, and so you have this 3379 02:51:06.040 --> 02:51:08.639 mark on your permanent record, and you're going to carry 3380 02:51:08.639 --> 02:51:10.920 this with you into the next grade. You know, you 3381 02:51:11.000 --> 02:51:15.079 have this reputation forever. We're just childish and silly. So 3382 02:51:15.440 --> 02:51:18.040 you know, I think, you know, Vance has done it 3383 02:51:18.120 --> 02:51:21.239 all a great service by what he did there, but 3384 02:51:21.280 --> 02:51:23.000 I also think he's done a lot of other stuff 3385 02:51:23.040 --> 02:51:25.799 like this too. I mean, he's he's what he's become 3386 02:51:25.920 --> 02:51:29.200 is kind of like Peskof is for or Medvedev, rather 3387 02:51:30.000 --> 02:51:33.000 probably like Medvedev for for Putin. You know, Putin is 3388 02:51:33.000 --> 02:51:35.280 the you know, he kind of is the good cop 3389 02:51:35.399 --> 02:51:37.600 and he tries to keep things light, and Medvedev comes 3390 02:51:37.600 --> 02:51:39.879 out and just shreds people. And you see that happening. 3391 02:51:39.879 --> 02:51:42.920 Trump is like the Trump's like the nice guy and 3392 02:51:42.920 --> 02:51:46.360 and advances. You know, he's the animal. He comes out 3393 02:51:46.360 --> 02:51:51.520 and he breaks legs. So it's fun to watch. There's 3394 02:51:51.559 --> 02:51:53.360 another another part of all this that I'm enjoying a 3395 02:51:53.360 --> 02:51:53.840 great deal. 3396 02:51:56.280 --> 02:51:59.000 Yeah, I think that you know. One of the other 3397 02:51:59.040 --> 02:52:03.239 things that's been kind of in is to watch the 3398 02:52:02.399 --> 02:52:06.520 clash of Trump, right, who seems to be committed to 3399 02:52:06.559 --> 02:52:13.440 being this Article two executive and the judicial branch, you know, 3400 02:52:13.479 --> 02:52:19.799 most recently, I believe, I can't remember what his first 3401 02:52:19.840 --> 02:52:24.479 name was. It was a judge boaz Berg, who I 3402 02:52:24.600 --> 02:52:29.239 believe is Italian, I'm not entirely sure about that had 3403 02:52:29.239 --> 02:52:34.040 basically issued this order saying, you know, President of the 3404 02:52:34.120 --> 02:52:39.280 United States is not allowed to deport Venezuelan's to venezuela right. 3405 02:52:39.440 --> 02:52:42.920 And it is simply not allowed. And the reaction was 3406 02:52:42.959 --> 02:52:45.319 quite interesting because Trump basically told him, you know, to 3407 02:52:45.399 --> 02:52:49.159 quote to kind of paraphrase Andrew Jackson, you and what 3408 02:52:49.360 --> 02:52:53.639 army right, Which I think is another interesting thing because 3409 02:52:53.639 --> 02:52:57.120 if we compare in contrast to Trump round one right, 3410 02:52:57.200 --> 02:53:00.719 the twenty sixteen presidency, there were a lot of positive 3411 02:53:00.760 --> 02:53:03.840 things said that just kind of sunk into the mud, right, 3412 02:53:03.879 --> 02:53:06.840 They never went anywhere, They got endlessly wrapped up in court. 3413 02:53:07.559 --> 02:53:10.200 And so I'm curious to see, similar to what we 3414 02:53:10.239 --> 02:53:14.879 saw with the unaccountable bureaucracy, if there will be you know, 3415 02:53:14.959 --> 02:53:17.840 some sort of I guess kind of settlement reached with 3416 02:53:17.959 --> 02:53:21.879 the judicial branch, because at least up until recently, that 3417 02:53:22.360 --> 02:53:26.399 was the kind of seat of final power in the US. 3418 02:53:29.719 --> 02:53:30.799 Yeah. I think. 3419 02:53:32.559 --> 02:53:34.840 We always were recording this. I'm just looking on Twitter 3420 02:53:34.920 --> 02:53:39.159 and some lunatic judge has ordered Trump to or order 3421 02:53:39.280 --> 02:53:43.120 said that all the end of USAID and all the 3422 02:53:43.120 --> 02:53:45.319 firings and all that are unconstitutional and everyone has to 3423 02:53:45.520 --> 02:53:48.799 hired back, giving all their email back and everything else. Well, 3424 02:53:48.799 --> 02:53:52.840 it's not gonna happen. The buildings are closed, the computers 3425 02:53:52.879 --> 02:53:54.280 are in already edited for the dumpster. 3426 02:53:54.360 --> 02:53:54.840 I mean, this is. 3427 02:53:55.760 --> 02:53:59.920 Silly, and and that's the problem here is that they'll 3428 02:54:00.040 --> 02:54:02.520 these inferior court judges. This is just these are public 3429 02:54:02.559 --> 02:54:05.120 acts of piety. They're just making assays out of themselves 3430 02:54:05.680 --> 02:54:07.120 and out of the system. And I think at some 3431 02:54:07.159 --> 02:54:09.559 point this is going to head to a showdown. It 3432 02:54:09.559 --> 02:54:11.600 has to happen to a showdown, because look, we don't 3433 02:54:11.719 --> 02:54:15.680 have a fourth branch of government called independent agency. That 3434 02:54:15.760 --> 02:54:21.120 doesn't exist. Either these agencies report to and are in 3435 02:54:21.159 --> 02:54:25.079 control of the executive or they're in the under the 3436 02:54:25.079 --> 02:54:26.239 control of Congress. 3437 02:54:26.239 --> 02:54:26.520 That's it. 3438 02:54:26.559 --> 02:54:29.120 I mean, there's only two choices. And of course Congress 3439 02:54:29.120 --> 02:54:30.639 set them up and put them in the executive. 3440 02:54:30.680 --> 02:54:31.840 So, I mean it's right. 3441 02:54:32.520 --> 02:54:35.000 So it's headed to a showdown, I think, and it 3442 02:54:35.120 --> 02:54:38.239 at a long overdue showdown. The courts need to have 3443 02:54:38.319 --> 02:54:43.959 their sales trimmed. Sure, and you know what's his name, Roberts. 3444 02:54:44.239 --> 02:54:46.639 Roberts kind of signaled this. You know, people read this 3445 02:54:46.799 --> 02:54:48.079 the wrong way. You know, he came out and he 3446 02:54:48.159 --> 02:54:52.799 chastised Trump for saying that some both Burger has to 3447 02:54:52.799 --> 02:54:56.200 be uh it should be impeached. And frankly, I would 3448 02:54:56.239 --> 02:54:58.120 have no problem with them putting the FBI on this guy. 3449 02:54:58.159 --> 02:54:59.959 He was up to his eyeballs in the Russian COLLUSI 3450 02:55:00.079 --> 02:55:03.959 and hoax. He colluded with the FBI to uh get 3451 02:55:03.959 --> 02:55:07.000 phony baloney FIZA warrants. I mean, this guy is crooked. 3452 02:55:07.440 --> 02:55:09.520 He needs he should be on the list, regardless of 3453 02:55:09.719 --> 02:55:13.040 this stuff. And uh, but you know that may what 3454 02:55:13.120 --> 02:55:14.799 maybe what has to happen. You know, you rough up 3455 02:55:14.799 --> 02:55:17.959 a judge this way with uh, you know, the FBI 3456 02:55:18.159 --> 02:55:20.440 carding out all of his electronics and everything else, you know, 3457 02:55:20.520 --> 02:55:22.079 to do the same stuff to him that he did 3458 02:55:22.079 --> 02:55:24.840 to all the JA six people. To send the message 3459 02:55:24.879 --> 02:55:26.840 to the rest of these judges. But uh, I think 3460 02:55:26.879 --> 02:55:29.239 it's going to end up in uh In in the 3461 02:55:29.360 --> 02:55:31.360 appeals and I think at some point the court is 3462 02:55:31.399 --> 02:55:34.280 going to clarify this stuff. And Roberts seemed to be 3463 02:55:34.319 --> 02:55:37.360 signaling that, saying, look, instead of going to war with 3464 02:55:37.399 --> 02:55:41.600 these inferior court judges, bring it to the appeal and 3465 02:55:41.680 --> 02:55:44.239 there you'll get remedy. And I think that's what he 3466 02:55:44.319 --> 02:55:47.239 was signaling to the White House. And you know, for 3467 02:55:47.319 --> 02:55:48.840 the order of the country, it would be good if 3468 02:55:48.840 --> 02:55:50.840 it happened. But you know, if Plan B is rounding 3469 02:55:50.879 --> 02:55:53.479 up some judges and sending him out to work camp 3470 02:55:53.559 --> 02:55:56.479 somewhere in Louisiana, I either way, it's fine by me. 3471 02:55:56.559 --> 02:55:58.879 I don't I don't care. I am I am completely. 3472 02:55:59.200 --> 02:56:02.319 I've lost all paidation with the court system with these 3473 02:56:02.399 --> 02:56:04.360 I mean, these somebody, these judges are just lunatics. I mean, 3474 02:56:04.399 --> 02:56:07.559 they have no business being in the bar, much less 3475 02:56:07.719 --> 02:56:11.200 as a federal judge. So you know, I'm I'm If 3476 02:56:11.520 --> 02:56:14.559 Caesarism is the only answer, then well and that's what 3477 02:56:14.600 --> 02:56:15.120 we'll have to do. 3478 02:56:15.760 --> 02:56:18.520 Well, Ze man, I have no idea how you could 3479 02:56:18.879 --> 02:56:22.239 call into question the legitimacy of a system where Judge 3480 02:56:23.079 --> 02:56:25.639 Kanty Jackson is sitting on the Supreme Court. 3481 02:56:26.239 --> 02:56:30.840 Uh the Tame probably has an IQ under one hundred. 3482 02:56:30.920 --> 02:56:34.360 I mean, if you I actually went yeah, I mean, 3483 02:56:34.399 --> 02:56:36.840 this one's a moron, Helen the hell she actually got 3484 02:56:36.840 --> 02:56:37.559 it through law school. 3485 02:56:37.559 --> 02:56:39.440 I'll there's a. 3486 02:56:39.440 --> 02:56:42.719 Thing that happens in the law. Someone told me this 3487 02:56:42.840 --> 02:56:47.840 that everyone suspects that there's certain people who somehow rather 3488 02:56:47.920 --> 02:56:51.120 passed the bar despite the fact that they probably couldn't 3489 02:56:51.600 --> 02:56:54.799 get ever score a competent enough score to pass the bar. 3490 02:56:55.000 --> 02:56:57.680 They did just get passed through. And I you know Crockett, 3491 02:56:57.719 --> 02:57:01.159 that crazy woman who does a ghetto girl actor of 3492 02:57:01.200 --> 02:57:07.280 a commerceman from Houston. It was a jazzmine Crocket you know, yes, yeah, 3493 02:57:07.280 --> 02:57:08.920 I mean she went to like Fred's law school. I 3494 02:57:08.959 --> 02:57:11.840 mean it was legitimately like Fred's law school. Some it's 3495 02:57:11.959 --> 02:57:14.319 like a law school run out of an old grocery store. 3496 02:57:14.559 --> 02:57:17.120 And you know, somehow older she you know, she passed 3497 02:57:17.120 --> 02:57:17.879 the bar in Texas. 3498 02:57:17.879 --> 02:57:20.000 But but you. 3499 02:57:19.959 --> 02:57:22.319 Know, yeah, I mean Jumanji Jackson. I mean that this 3500 02:57:22.399 --> 02:57:24.200 is embarrassing. I mean it's like putting a horse on 3501 02:57:24.200 --> 02:57:26.479 the Supreme Court, you know, or a block of wood 3502 02:57:26.520 --> 02:57:26.840 or something. 3503 02:57:26.879 --> 02:57:28.719 I mean, I. 3504 02:57:28.680 --> 02:57:31.399 Mean, look, if we're really speed running, you know, the 3505 02:57:31.520 --> 02:57:34.319 sort of end of empire. I feel like getting a 3506 02:57:34.319 --> 02:57:37.079 horse's president would be kind of our just desserts, right, 3507 02:57:37.319 --> 02:57:42.280 I certainly couldn't be worse than the Sorry, someone's driving 3508 02:57:42.280 --> 02:57:47.200 a clapped out Honda outside my window here. But you 3509 02:57:47.239 --> 02:57:50.559 couldn't write when you compare that, right, you know, having 3510 02:57:50.559 --> 02:57:55.840 a horse's emperor to having a previous president who turns 3511 02:57:55.840 --> 02:57:59.559 out signed all of his executive orders via robot. Right, 3512 02:58:00.040 --> 02:58:03.479 couldn't even hold a pen. There's a question to be 3513 02:58:03.479 --> 02:58:05.680 asked of what would be the difference? Really? 3514 02:58:07.120 --> 02:58:09.159 Yeah, I mean you know, I think you know, we 3515 02:58:09.159 --> 02:58:11.920 were talking earlier about these kind of inflection points, these things. 3516 02:58:12.120 --> 02:58:14.479 You know, there was a guy Mark and Dreesen, the 3517 02:58:14.479 --> 02:58:18.719 guy who invented Netscape, really one of the first browsers 3518 02:58:19.760 --> 02:58:23.159 and way way back, and you know he's a big 3519 02:58:23.239 --> 02:58:25.159 mover and shaker. Now I think it's in drees and 3520 02:58:25.200 --> 02:58:29.440 Horowitz is his investment firm. And he talked about how 3521 02:58:29.719 --> 02:58:31.639 back in like twenty twenty two, we had a meeting 3522 02:58:31.639 --> 02:58:35.399 with the Biden administration about technology, particularly AI, and he 3523 02:58:35.479 --> 02:58:37.719 came away said we have to stop these people. 3524 02:58:37.760 --> 02:58:38.840 They're they're insane. 3525 02:58:39.600 --> 02:58:41.760 And you know, he looked around and said, well, Donald 3526 02:58:41.760 --> 02:58:43.680 Trump is the only option here to try and put 3527 02:58:43.680 --> 02:58:46.280 it into this madness. I mean, you know, you think 3528 02:58:46.280 --> 02:58:48.040 about how terrible that meeting. 3529 02:58:47.840 --> 02:58:48.799 Must have went with you. 3530 02:58:48.799 --> 02:58:50.799 You went in as a guy who was generally in 3531 02:58:50.840 --> 02:58:53.120 favor of the Democrats and came out and said, I'm 3532 02:58:53.120 --> 02:58:55.360 now a revolutionary. I want to overthrow the government. I 3533 02:58:55.440 --> 02:58:57.920 must have been one hell of a meeting. But you know, 3534 02:58:58.360 --> 02:59:01.280 you know, a lot of this has, you know, really 3535 02:59:01.360 --> 02:59:04.159 due to the fact of putting a vegetable. See, you're 3536 02:59:04.159 --> 02:59:06.159 a young guy. You don't remember this, but I Joe 3537 02:59:06.200 --> 02:59:08.760 Biden has been around so long that he was an 3538 02:59:08.760 --> 02:59:11.600 old guy in Washington when I was a young guy, 3539 02:59:11.840 --> 02:59:14.879 when I was a teenager, Joe Biden was in Washington. 3540 02:59:15.520 --> 02:59:17.040 That's what I remember. 3541 02:59:17.959 --> 02:59:22.840 I'm you know, the ancient history that is the Obama administration. 3542 02:59:24.440 --> 02:59:27.399 And I mean even back then, the running joke was 3543 02:59:28.200 --> 02:59:30.639 he's kind of stupid, right, I mean, I think it 3544 02:59:30.719 --> 02:59:32.559 was it was Barack Obama himself who said, you know, 3545 02:59:32.559 --> 02:59:35.239 I wouldn't trust him to make me a cup of coffee. Right, 3546 02:59:35.280 --> 02:59:37.280 He's not exactly a savvy political actor. 3547 02:59:38.719 --> 02:59:42.200 Yeah, back in he ran in eighty eight and it 3548 02:59:42.280 --> 02:59:44.799 was terrible. But I mean back in the eighties, I 3549 02:59:44.840 --> 02:59:46.840 was a teenager, I worked for a congressman, and so 3550 02:59:47.040 --> 02:59:48.280 you know, it was just a front and aeron and 3551 02:59:48.280 --> 02:59:51.239 stuff like that. And I remember Joe Biden jokes. They 3552 02:59:51.280 --> 02:59:53.239 used to talk about that. He was a running joke 3553 02:59:53.280 --> 02:59:55.520 that he was so stupid, and he would tell these 3554 02:59:55.559 --> 02:59:59.360 outlandish whoppers, these these stories about you know, his heroism 3555 02:59:59.399 --> 03:00:00.840 and all this stuff. You know, if he went on 3556 03:00:00.879 --> 03:00:03.920 some congressional junket or something, he'd come back and you know, 3557 03:00:03.959 --> 03:00:06.239 he would talk about it, you know, like he was 3558 03:00:06.280 --> 03:00:09.799 on some James Bond adventure. He was just a complete 3559 03:00:09.920 --> 03:00:12.239 ridiculous person. And but the thing about it is that 3560 03:00:12.440 --> 03:00:15.280 he was reliable to represent the credit card companies in 3561 03:00:15.319 --> 03:00:17.840 Delaware and then they didn't care that, you know, him 3562 03:00:17.840 --> 03:00:21.159 being stupid was actually an asset. But so the idea 3563 03:00:21.200 --> 03:00:22.959 of this moron, I mean, look, it didn't go any better. 3564 03:00:22.959 --> 03:00:24.760 I mean they actually cracked open his skull I think 3565 03:00:24.760 --> 03:00:26.680 in the nineties and carved some stuff out that was 3566 03:00:26.719 --> 03:00:29.000 growing in there, and and then you know, he gets 3567 03:00:29.000 --> 03:00:32.760 dementia and and would make him president. I mean, a 3568 03:00:32.879 --> 03:00:35.479 horse would have been a better choice because at least 3569 03:00:35.920 --> 03:00:38.559 it would be honest and the horse, you know, horses 3570 03:00:38.559 --> 03:00:39.479 are noble animals. 3571 03:00:39.719 --> 03:00:40.440 Biden is not. 3572 03:00:42.000 --> 03:00:45.479 The uh. I think one of the the other interesting 3573 03:00:45.520 --> 03:00:50.040 things to me. Uh. You know you mentioned in resh 3574 03:00:51.319 --> 03:00:55.360 who let's put it this way, Andresen is perhaps more 3575 03:00:55.399 --> 03:00:59.680 involved in our circles than one would think. Uh. And 3576 03:01:00.280 --> 03:01:03.120 you know, you have this kind of new cabal of 3577 03:01:03.959 --> 03:01:07.399 you know, tech CEOs and entrepreneurs who have you know, 3578 03:01:07.479 --> 03:01:10.280 kind of explicitly made their foray into politics. 3579 03:01:10.559 --> 03:01:10.760 Right. 3580 03:01:10.840 --> 03:01:14.680 You have Elon Musk, who is I mean, he is 3581 03:01:14.719 --> 03:01:16.879 kind of a bizarre position. Right. You have this sort 3582 03:01:16.920 --> 03:01:21.879 of I mean, he's technically the head of a government agency, right, 3583 03:01:22.120 --> 03:01:25.920 but he pretty much seems to do whatever he wants 3584 03:01:26.319 --> 03:01:28.440 and look like I support what he's doing. You know, 3585 03:01:28.479 --> 03:01:30.799 I have more power to him. But it is this 3586 03:01:30.920 --> 03:01:34.200 kind of odd new development because and maybe you can 3587 03:01:34.239 --> 03:01:37.040 speak to this, but the interest groups in the Republican 3588 03:01:37.079 --> 03:01:39.079 Party have remained remarkably stable. 3589 03:01:39.719 --> 03:01:39.920 Right. 3590 03:01:40.000 --> 03:01:44.840 You have you know, a certain Mediterranean democracy, you have 3591 03:01:45.200 --> 03:01:47.399 you know, m I see interests which, let's be honest, 3592 03:01:47.399 --> 03:01:50.280 aren't that separate. But now you have this kind of 3593 03:01:50.520 --> 03:01:53.280 third group. And I would almost argue that there seems 3594 03:01:53.319 --> 03:01:54.959 to be you know, whether you want to call out 3595 03:01:55.000 --> 03:01:57.239 like the remnants of the deep state, you know, the 3596 03:01:57.280 --> 03:01:59.959 old Wasspel yet which you can see in you know, 3597 03:02:00.280 --> 03:02:03.200 and someone like Tucker right, and it seems as if, 3598 03:02:03.399 --> 03:02:07.200 you know, this new political coalition hasn't quite settled yet 3599 03:02:07.520 --> 03:02:10.639 because you know, Musk gets to do almost everything he wants, right, 3600 03:02:10.639 --> 03:02:12.879 he gets to fire whoever he wants, he gets to 3601 03:02:13.079 --> 03:02:16.239 you know, gut whatever agency they point him at. But 3602 03:02:16.360 --> 03:02:19.760 also right he got told no on H one b's 3603 03:02:20.360 --> 03:02:22.120 And so to me, I'm kind of curious to see 3604 03:02:22.120 --> 03:02:26.040 what the final deal is and where those various interest 3605 03:02:26.120 --> 03:02:27.600 groups kind of lie in the hierarchy. 3606 03:02:29.440 --> 03:02:32.840 Yeah, you know, I'd say it in history it's always 3607 03:02:32.879 --> 03:02:36.440 been you know what the first forming of any sort 3608 03:02:36.479 --> 03:02:39.479 of property, middle class, you know that own stuff. They've 3609 03:02:39.479 --> 03:02:42.879 always tended to be extremely conservative as it goes back 3610 03:02:42.920 --> 03:02:46.000 to the Middle Ages, and then support of the elites 3611 03:02:46.120 --> 03:02:48.920 because they look and say, hey, we own a little 3612 03:02:48.920 --> 03:02:51.680 property and they own a lot of property. But it 3613 03:02:51.719 --> 03:02:54.159 doesn't matter. They're going to defend my right to own 3614 03:02:54.200 --> 03:02:56.799 my little bit of property, and I don't want my 3615 03:02:56.959 --> 03:03:00.079 little bit of property is subtracted to the mob. It 3616 03:03:00.120 --> 03:03:03.159 was always you know, historically the middle and the elite 3617 03:03:03.680 --> 03:03:07.879 banding together to keep the lower classes under control. Then 3618 03:03:07.879 --> 03:03:10.760 a weird thing happened in America in the twentieth century 3619 03:03:10.799 --> 03:03:14.000 where you get you know that the political class of 3620 03:03:14.120 --> 03:03:20.120 Washington bound the poor and the rich together. You know, 3621 03:03:20.600 --> 03:03:23.200 in war against the middle class. It's always, you know, 3622 03:03:23.239 --> 03:03:25.559 the upper class and the lower classes against the middle class. 3623 03:03:26.120 --> 03:03:29.360 And I think that's finally breaking down where you know, 3624 03:03:29.639 --> 03:03:33.879 I'm perfectly fine with the rich guys doing whatever la 3625 03:03:33.959 --> 03:03:36.559 need to do because at least I know who's accountable this. 3626 03:03:37.000 --> 03:03:39.879 For most of my life, I've never know who who 3627 03:03:40.040 --> 03:03:42.040 Who Do you blame for this? Everything get gets worse, 3628 03:03:42.079 --> 03:03:44.559 and both parties say, don't blame us, you voted for 3629 03:03:44.600 --> 03:03:47.360 the other guy. You know, it's this ridiculous game that 3630 03:03:47.399 --> 03:03:50.239 they play. And so having you know, a guy like 3631 03:03:50.360 --> 03:03:53.959 Musk or Zuckerbergler or what's his name, what's the guy 3632 03:03:54.000 --> 03:04:01.799 from from Amazon Bezos Besos, Yeah, stepping on the people 3633 03:04:01.840 --> 03:04:05.079 at the Washington Post and kicking them around good. I'm 3634 03:04:05.200 --> 03:04:07.399 fine with it because look at the rich guys take 3635 03:04:07.399 --> 03:04:09.319 control of the government and they're going to run things 3636 03:04:09.959 --> 03:04:11.079 and things don't go well. 3637 03:04:11.399 --> 03:04:13.680 We know where to go, we know where they are. 3638 03:04:14.559 --> 03:04:16.799 It's not going to be a problem. But when it's 3639 03:04:16.840 --> 03:04:19.479 this collection of people. There's just these faceless people in 3640 03:04:19.559 --> 03:04:21.879 charge of committees and stuff that you know, no one ever. 3641 03:04:21.760 --> 03:04:23.799 Accountable for anything. So I'm. 3642 03:04:25.319 --> 03:04:28.319 I'm very much in favor of seeing this these rich 3643 03:04:28.319 --> 03:04:31.200 guys start to be more assertive. But it's interesting though, 3644 03:04:31.600 --> 03:04:34.040 with the tech rich guys, is that so many of 3645 03:04:34.079 --> 03:04:38.879 them had this libertarianish outlook. You know, they allow, you know, 3646 03:04:38.879 --> 03:04:42.799 they adopted libertarianism in order to avoid the cultural stuff. 3647 03:04:43.840 --> 03:04:48.440 But what they found through libertarianism is the door to 3648 03:04:48.559 --> 03:04:51.440 our side that you know, it's a weird thing. I've 3649 03:04:51.559 --> 03:04:53.840 had a lot of former libertarians in my life who 3650 03:04:53.840 --> 03:04:57.040 have come over the Great Divide to my kind of politics, 3651 03:04:57.920 --> 03:05:01.520 and you know, it's not just the economic issues, it's 3652 03:05:01.559 --> 03:05:06.680 the human capital issues, the hierarchical issues. You know, they 3653 03:05:06.920 --> 03:05:09.680 come to find out that, hey, wait a second, Libertarianism 3654 03:05:09.719 --> 03:05:11.879 explained to me that no, people are not all the same, 3655 03:05:11.920 --> 03:05:14.559 and no people can't be yeoman farmers and independent and 3656 03:05:14.559 --> 03:05:15.360 all this stuff. 3657 03:05:15.399 --> 03:05:16.040 You do need to. 3658 03:05:15.959 --> 03:05:18.440 Control the masses, you need to have structures in place 3659 03:05:18.479 --> 03:05:20.959 to do that and so forth. And it's through the 3660 03:05:21.440 --> 03:05:25.559 bad results of libertarianism that they discover things like hierarchy 3661 03:05:25.639 --> 03:05:28.680 and the realities of human capital and end up on 3662 03:05:28.719 --> 03:05:30.840 this side. And I think the same process has happened 3663 03:05:30.879 --> 03:05:32.879 to these tech guys. I think they kind of went 3664 03:05:32.920 --> 03:05:35.639 through the same door. And even though you know they're 3665 03:05:35.639 --> 03:05:38.120 not you know, they're not going to be showing up 3666 03:05:38.120 --> 03:05:43.000 at the castle in Berkeley Springs for an event. They're 3667 03:05:43.040 --> 03:05:45.280 not going to be upset that those events happen. You know, 3668 03:05:45.319 --> 03:05:47.280 They're gonna be aware. They're going to know people who 3669 03:05:47.280 --> 03:05:49.680 go to those events, you know, and maybe they have 3670 03:05:49.719 --> 03:05:53.040 their own soares and where these guys meet. But it 3671 03:05:53.079 --> 03:05:55.120 seems like the same process. I mean, you know, I 3672 03:05:55.120 --> 03:05:57.000 remember the first time I ever went to an event. 3673 03:05:57.719 --> 03:06:00.559 I probably can't say the name of it YouTube, right, 3674 03:06:00.639 --> 03:06:04.600 So you know, there were so many people who used 3675 03:06:04.600 --> 03:06:07.200 to be libertarians and they were like they were they 3676 03:06:07.200 --> 03:06:11.159 were red pilled by Ron Paul, you know, of all things. 3677 03:06:11.639 --> 03:06:13.280 And I think the same thing's kind of happened with 3678 03:06:13.319 --> 03:06:16.200 the tech guys. But you know, again, I'm fine, I'm 3679 03:06:16.239 --> 03:06:19.680 okay by with rule by billionaires. I mean, somebody's got 3680 03:06:19.680 --> 03:06:21.040 to be in charge. And I would rather be a 3681 03:06:21.040 --> 03:06:25.000 guy who can send a spaceship up to the space 3682 03:06:25.040 --> 03:06:29.280 station and rescue people then some guy with a PhD. 3683 03:06:29.479 --> 03:06:31.840 And gender studies, you know. 3684 03:06:33.680 --> 03:06:37.040 Well, and that's something that you know, I've sort of 3685 03:06:37.079 --> 03:06:41.360 made made peace with, right that you know, simply due 3686 03:06:41.440 --> 03:06:46.959 to the way humans are, there will always be an oligarchy, right, 3687 03:06:47.000 --> 03:06:51.040 That's simply how humans organized themselves. But you know, you 3688 03:06:51.040 --> 03:06:54.079 can make quality judgment between those two. You know, there 3689 03:06:54.079 --> 03:06:57.840 are some elites I'd rather have in charge rather than others. 3690 03:06:58.639 --> 03:07:03.360 And you know, to me right, and I could be wrong, 3691 03:07:03.479 --> 03:07:06.559 but I see this swap if it can stick, as 3692 03:07:07.040 --> 03:07:11.760 being beneficial. And it's not exactly a huge, you know, 3693 03:07:11.920 --> 03:07:14.719 a huge hurdle to clear. But the very fact that 3694 03:07:14.760 --> 03:07:17.840 these people don't seem to hate me, to want me dead, 3695 03:07:18.159 --> 03:07:23.040 and people like me to stop existing, well, you know 3696 03:07:23.559 --> 03:07:27.000 that's a win, right, It's certainly better than the alternative. 3697 03:07:27.399 --> 03:07:29.360 And that doesn't mean that this is like, you know, 3698 03:07:29.479 --> 03:07:33.000 the kind of like ideal philosopher King right come down 3699 03:07:33.040 --> 03:07:35.200 to lead us to heaven on Earth. But one of 3700 03:07:35.200 --> 03:07:39.600 the things I think about, and this is an interesting issue, 3701 03:07:39.760 --> 03:07:41.680 is you know the fact that the Trump administration and 3702 03:07:41.799 --> 03:07:46.639 Musk have been making noises about South Africa. Look, I have, 3703 03:07:46.920 --> 03:07:49.399 you know, a lot of friends in South Africa. You know, 3704 03:07:49.479 --> 03:07:53.120 I've I've met with Ernest you know who is recently 3705 03:07:53.120 --> 03:07:56.000 on Tucker you know, Conscious Caricle and I really like 3706 03:07:56.079 --> 03:07:58.079 those guys, you know, I have a certain affinity for them. 3707 03:07:58.319 --> 03:08:02.200 The Dutch Calvinists quite similar you know to my people, 3708 03:08:02.440 --> 03:08:04.280 you know, how they view the world. So there's some 3709 03:08:04.319 --> 03:08:07.600 kind of affinity there. But realistically, right, what has South 3710 03:08:07.639 --> 03:08:11.879 Africa existed as in our consciousness? Right? It's you know, 3711 03:08:12.200 --> 03:08:15.479 it is the rainbonation, right, we did it. We defeated racism. 3712 03:08:16.159 --> 03:08:18.399 And the fact that you have you know, Mark Rubio 3713 03:08:18.440 --> 03:08:23.399 basically kicking out the South African diplomat, you know, basically offering, hey, 3714 03:08:23.520 --> 03:08:26.600 you know, South Africans are you know, experiencing ethnic cleansing? 3715 03:08:26.639 --> 03:08:29.799 If they want to move to America, they can. That's 3716 03:08:29.840 --> 03:08:31.879 a strong indication that, you know, there's at least a 3717 03:08:31.920 --> 03:08:35.399 desire to appear as if you know, the Trump administration 3718 03:08:35.639 --> 03:08:39.000 doesn't hate white people, which again, like I've said, is 3719 03:08:39.040 --> 03:08:42.920 not the biggest hurdle to clear. But you know, compare 3720 03:08:42.959 --> 03:08:48.280 that to our our previous uh, our previous demented executive. 3721 03:08:48.360 --> 03:08:49.120 I'll leave it at that. 3722 03:08:50.000 --> 03:08:51.760 Yeah, I mean, you know, look, Vance, we brought up 3723 03:08:51.760 --> 03:08:54.719 the whole two you know, the two tier tier starmer 3724 03:08:55.159 --> 03:08:58.319 you know, the two tier system. And and I mean again, 3725 03:08:58.639 --> 03:09:01.360 there's there's stuff coming out of administration you never thought 3726 03:09:01.360 --> 03:09:03.200 you would hear. You know, it's the kind of stuff 3727 03:09:03.200 --> 03:09:05.040 that got you fired from Twitters or got you thrown 3728 03:09:05.079 --> 03:09:08.079 off at Twitter rund. So you know, it's it's a 3729 03:09:08.079 --> 03:09:11.520 positive thing. I think, you know, I think it was 3730 03:09:11.600 --> 03:09:14.280 Charles Murray who said, you know, this is a long 3731 03:09:14.319 --> 03:09:17.959 time ago, before he got all squishy. He said, inevitably, 3732 03:09:18.440 --> 03:09:21.319 what's going to happen is that the elites are probably 3733 03:09:21.360 --> 03:09:25.440 going to become more racially aware than any group in 3734 03:09:25.479 --> 03:09:29.239 the country because for them, it's the only way in 3735 03:09:29.280 --> 03:09:33.040 which they can remain elites. It's a necessary reality they 3736 03:09:33.040 --> 03:09:35.559 have to embrace. And I suspect that's really what we're 3737 03:09:35.559 --> 03:09:39.520 seeing is that, you know, I've called it civilizationalism. You know, 3738 03:09:39.559 --> 03:09:41.280 we're not going to I mean, he's got you know, 3739 03:09:41.280 --> 03:09:43.040 these guys run around saying, oh, you know, we want 3740 03:09:43.040 --> 03:09:44.719 to have an ethno state or something like that. I've 3741 03:09:44.760 --> 03:09:47.680 always just shake my head at it because it's that's 3742 03:09:47.719 --> 03:09:50.399 not who we're going to be in North America. What 3743 03:09:50.399 --> 03:09:52.440 we're going to have is a civilization and it will 3744 03:09:52.520 --> 03:09:56.079 be a hierarchy to that civilization and we'll just accept it. 3745 03:09:56.600 --> 03:10:00.280 And that comes with some duties. You know, the people 3746 03:10:00.280 --> 03:10:03.879 at let the lower down they are, you know, those 3747 03:10:03.879 --> 03:10:06.319 are people have to be looked after. You have to 3748 03:10:06.360 --> 03:10:08.680 make sure their neighborhoods are as safe as you can 3749 03:10:08.680 --> 03:10:11.680 make them, that they have food in the basic and 3750 03:10:11.680 --> 03:10:14.200 so forth, and they have order imposed upon them. There 3751 03:10:14.200 --> 03:10:16.200 are certain parts of this country will just have to 3752 03:10:16.239 --> 03:10:18.399 have a HOBSI in existence where order will have to 3753 03:10:18.440 --> 03:10:20.680 be imposed. I used to live in one of them. 3754 03:10:20.879 --> 03:10:22.719 You know, I looked at Baltimore for a long time. 3755 03:10:23.440 --> 03:10:26.120 You could make Baltimore better, but it means abandoning all 3756 03:10:26.159 --> 03:10:30.920 these ridiculous abstract ideas about equality and openness and all 3757 03:10:31.000 --> 03:10:33.639 you know, democracy and all the other junk. No, there 3758 03:10:33.639 --> 03:10:36.680 should be a dictator who's in charge and runs things 3759 03:10:36.719 --> 03:10:39.200 with an iron fist. Everyone will be happier as a 3760 03:10:39.200 --> 03:10:41.600 result of it. But you don't have to do that 3761 03:10:41.639 --> 03:10:43.840 in Salt Lake City, Utah. You know, you can have 3762 03:10:44.159 --> 03:10:47.360 whatever kind of government you want there because the human 3763 03:10:47.399 --> 03:10:51.200 capital is better. This is just a practical reality. And 3764 03:10:51.440 --> 03:10:52.719 I think, you know, it kind of gets to one 3765 03:10:52.760 --> 03:10:55.000 of my other themes, and that is we're experiencing the 3766 03:10:55.159 --> 03:10:59.040 end of ideology. The last ideology is dying out American progressivism. 3767 03:10:59.399 --> 03:11:02.239 So it means all these goofy ideas about democracy and 3768 03:11:02.280 --> 03:11:05.559 openness and fairness and all this. Now what's going to 3769 03:11:05.600 --> 03:11:08.520 matter in the future is practical results. 3770 03:11:09.159 --> 03:11:09.399 You know. 3771 03:11:09.559 --> 03:11:13.959 Do we have cheaper food and cheaper energy and safer neighborhoods. 3772 03:11:14.040 --> 03:11:16.840 Those are things that matter. How we accomplish them. We're 3773 03:11:16.840 --> 03:11:19.600 not going to get hung up on and that's a 3774 03:11:19.600 --> 03:11:21.360 good thing, you know, I mean, you know, you see, 3775 03:11:21.399 --> 03:11:23.600 because other parts of the world are headed down this way. 3776 03:11:23.639 --> 03:11:26.719 I mean, the Chinese, for goodness sakes, have abandoned communism, 3777 03:11:27.799 --> 03:11:32.079 the Russians abandoned communism, you know, you know, so we 3778 03:11:32.159 --> 03:11:35.239 have to kind of join the other great powers in 3779 03:11:35.360 --> 03:11:38.600 being practical and pragmatic. And I think it's possible. I 3780 03:11:38.600 --> 03:11:40.959 think that maybe what we're experiencing. 3781 03:11:40.399 --> 03:11:45.239 Now, so we are fast coming up on time. Ze Man, 3782 03:11:45.399 --> 03:11:48.799 I really enjoyed this conversation despite my health issues. I 3783 03:11:48.799 --> 03:11:52.920 hopefully it wasn't complete dribbling more on But if people 3784 03:11:52.959 --> 03:11:54.879 want to find more view in your work, what's a 3785 03:11:54.879 --> 03:11:55.840 good way for them to do that? 3786 03:11:56.680 --> 03:11:58.559 Now? The easiest way is to go to the z 3787 03:11:58.719 --> 03:12:01.479 man dot com or you go to the dissident right 3788 03:12:01.559 --> 03:12:03.879 dot com or the Dissident writer dot com. I got 3789 03:12:03.879 --> 03:12:06.000 a bunch of different domains, but the zooman dot com 3790 03:12:06.040 --> 03:12:06.680 is the easiest one. 3791 03:12:06.719 --> 03:12:07.280 It has all my. 3792 03:12:07.239 --> 03:12:10.319 Stuff there, post something every day. I have a podcast 3793 03:12:10.360 --> 03:12:12.479 every Friday. It has links to my pay per view 3794 03:12:12.559 --> 03:12:16.719 site so you can get additional content. Twitter, gab accounts, 3795 03:12:16.760 --> 03:12:17.399 all that junk. 3796 03:12:18.959 --> 03:12:22.440 Well, I highly recommend your show. It's one of the few, 3797 03:12:22.799 --> 03:12:27.239 actually that I listened to. As a matter of course, 3798 03:12:28.440 --> 03:12:31.520 there are a lot of people who produce content. I 3799 03:12:31.559 --> 03:12:34.399 do realize the irony in saying that, but very few 3800 03:12:34.399 --> 03:12:37.200 that I know consider worthwhile enough that I, you know, 3801 03:12:37.239 --> 03:12:39.239 listen to whatever you put out, So I highly recommend 3802 03:12:39.280 --> 03:12:41.920 to that. As far as my stuff right. The J 3803 03:12:42.040 --> 03:12:45.680 Burton Show is available on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you 3804 03:12:45.719 --> 03:12:47.559 listen to podcasts. If you want to support us, you 3805 03:12:47.600 --> 03:12:49.520 can do so with the links down in the description, 3806 03:12:50.280 --> 03:12:54.000 or you can check out our sponsor sponsors Axios Remote 3807 03:12:54.000 --> 03:12:57.559 Fitness and Coaching and then North Appalachian Supply if you've 3808 03:12:57.559 --> 03:13:00.559 got any gear needs. Again, Zeman, I appreciate it, and 3809 03:13:00.639 --> 03:13:02.840 everyone at home, keep your head up. The life can't 3810 03:13:02.879 --> 03:13:03.959 last forever. Good Night,