Speaker 1: You've created everything. Look put a powerful being you are.
Speaker 1: You did these things, but now you're in a human body.
Speaker 2: You forget the power you have.
Speaker 3: What you do is what the whole universe is doing
Speaker 3: at the place you call here, and now you are
Speaker 3: something the whole universe is doing in the same way
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Speaker 1: You're doing doing what. Welcome to Metamistics where you don't
Speaker 1: know what you don't know? My name's Jonathan, and today
Speaker 1: we have two very special guests. One all time returner,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Electro Nicholas.
Speaker 4: What's going on? Family?
Speaker 1: Had to have you on for this one because this
Speaker 1: one's going to get pretty out.
Speaker 2: Of pocket, you know, you say, Orbs, I'm in.
Speaker 1: And then we also have for the very first time,
Speaker 1: justin from the lights over Loveland. TikTok is where we
Speaker 1: found you. And it is absolutely mind blowing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're getting certain videos of ORBS up in the sky
Speaker 1: that aren't behaving like anything else that is known to
Speaker 1: the human electronic military world, you know, and it is
Speaker 1: just absolutely mind blowing. And you know what do people
Speaker 1: usually say whenever they don't believe that, like what do
Speaker 1: they say. Do they think that it's a lens flare
Speaker 1: or is it ball lightning? We've heard it all over
Speaker 1: here too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the biggest thing I get is satellites. Like, Bro,
Speaker 5: you're just looking at satellites, but they're not there to
Speaker 5: like experience the whole situation. Which the crazy thing is
Speaker 5: like these videos as crazy as the video is, just
Speaker 5: being in the moment and like the whole context of
Speaker 5: the situation and everything really just adds to the whole experience.
Speaker 5: And that's what like cemented it in for me that
Speaker 5: there weren't satellites, Like there's just no way that they
Speaker 5: happen way too often, and they seem to interact when
Speaker 5: I ask questions and things like things like that, So
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, it's the biggest thing I get though,
Speaker 5: is satellites.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I can totally understand that, you know, especially
Speaker 4: people that kind of want to stay more grounded, they
Speaker 4: want to think logically, you know. But there are times
Speaker 4: where I have seen satellites and I can go look
Speaker 4: at that and go, Okay, yeah that's a satellite. Just
Speaker 4: the way it's moving, it's very consistent as far as
Speaker 4: the velocity and everything else.
Speaker 5: And definitely.
Speaker 4: Then there's other things like not unlike the videos that
Speaker 4: you've put up, but you know you get like little
Speaker 4: little flashes or yeah, and it's not a flash like
Speaker 4: you know when you close your eyes and you can
Speaker 4: kind of see sparkles and different like geometries and different
Speaker 4: things moving around. This is like physically there, like you
Speaker 4: can actually see it there. It's spatial. You know, you
Speaker 4: can tell you saw something and if it was a
Speaker 4: satellite that would definitely wouldn't happen. And the and the
Speaker 4: videos that you've which I'm sure will we'll get into
Speaker 4: and maybe show some of that, but dude, some of
Speaker 4: these things the way that they're coming in and out
Speaker 4: and getting very bright and then getting dim and then
Speaker 4: disappearing and coming back, and like satellites wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: There's no reason to be something that a satellite would do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and nothing too especially I get satellites too a
Speaker 6: lot too. That's everyone saying that their satellites. I did
Speaker 6: a lot of chat gbting and like kind of trying
Speaker 6: to rule out a bunch of stuff and typically like
Speaker 6: you can really only see a handful of satellites with
Speaker 6: the naked eye, and they're really only visible kind of
Speaker 6: at like twilight, so like right when the sun's going
Speaker 6: down and right when the sun is coming up, right
Speaker 6: and while they're still above like the Earth, and they're
Speaker 6: they're catching rain from the sun because they don't have
Speaker 6: they don't even have lights on them. The only way
Speaker 6: you can see them is them reflecting light from the sun.
Speaker 6: So if it's not really in the golden hour window
Speaker 6: for satellite viewing, and it's like twelve o'clock at night,
Speaker 6: you know, five am or whatever, three in the three
Speaker 6: and the three in the morning, like the satellites, my.
Speaker 5: Dude, yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah. And like something I'll point
Speaker 5: out too, like I do take extra steps to try
Speaker 5: to avoid the satellites, Like I use an app called
Speaker 5: orby Track, which you can just like point up at
Speaker 5: the sky and it'll show you you can point at
Speaker 5: it and it'll say if it's a satellite. I think
Speaker 5: that was like five dollars on the app store. And
Speaker 5: then there's a website called Heavens Above where you can
Speaker 5: type in your location and it'll give you a list
Speaker 5: of all the satellites and they're visible times. So in
Speaker 5: my recent skywatches, I just go out after the last
Speaker 5: satellites even visible, so that way I don't even have
Speaker 5: to worry about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Actually, when the last time Jonathan was here, we did
Speaker 4: something similar to that as far as getting an app
Speaker 4: and it was like, oh, the next satellite is like
Speaker 4: an hour away, and we're seeing two or three different
Speaker 4: things happening in this in that very moment, and so
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, that's proof enough for me that it's
Speaker 4: not a satellite.
Speaker 5: Yeah, There's been times where I've seen like thirty things
Speaker 5: in the sky at one time like that. I'm like,
Speaker 5: that just blew my mind. I'm like, there's no way
Speaker 5: these are satellites. There's no way there's that many of
Speaker 5: them flying by right now, Like it's just crazy.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: What's interesting too, is that it seems like whatever is
Speaker 1: going on now is happening way more now than it
Speaker 1: ever has. Because I used to be outside all the
Speaker 1: time as a little kid, like we were always looking
Speaker 1: up at the stars. I don't ever remember seeing anything
Speaker 1: like this. I mean, if you were lucky, you might
Speaker 1: catch a shooting star, you know, But I can't remember
Speaker 1: one time I even remember seeing a satellite, let alone
Speaker 1: an orb that is moving in crazy directions and speeding
Speaker 1: up and slowing down in different shapes and colors and
Speaker 1: sizes and all that stuff. You know, So why do
Speaker 1: you think that that's happening more so now or do
Speaker 1: you believe that it's happening more so now than it
Speaker 1: ever has.
Speaker 5: I do think it's like happening more And my reasoning is,
Speaker 5: I think there's more awareness being brought to it. So
Speaker 5: maybe just the collective consciousness of people going out and like,
Speaker 5: like who knows, Like there's been times where it seems
Speaker 5: like I've manifested these things that show up, So who's
Speaker 5: the same. People aren't going out having the intentions to
Speaker 5: connect and actually manifesting these orbs to appear, So just
Speaker 5: more people getting out and doing this. I definitely think
Speaker 5: like there is a noticeable increase, And like you were saying,
Speaker 5: like growing up, I never saw anything in the sky
Speaker 5: besides like an occasional shooting star. I actually I can
Speaker 5: go in my background a little bit too, Like I
Speaker 5: was strictly like materialism. I didn't believe in any of
Speaker 5: the spiritual, any of that stuff. And until August twenty
Speaker 5: twenty three when I started seeing the orbs in the sky,
Speaker 5: and that was like me going outside as a joke
Speaker 5: because I was hearing about all the alien stuff on
Speaker 5: TikTok with the first congressional hearing. So I got home
Speaker 5: and I just told my wife as a joke, like
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go look for the aliens outside.
Speaker 2: That's when it started for me too, actually.
Speaker 5: And the crazy thing is a lot of people I've
Speaker 5: heard two years ago is about when it started for them.
Speaker 5: So something happened like two years ago, definitely.
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I mean there has been a lot
Speaker 4: of things that have happened, you know. Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: say that, you know, the COVID that went around, and
Speaker 4: I mean everybody was in death on that, and I
Speaker 4: think that that really had us looking inward. I mean
Speaker 4: especially early on, you know, when it was very very
Speaker 4: not to say that it wasn't serious, but I mean
Speaker 4: people were dying. It was a it's a novel virus.
Speaker 4: And so I feel like that was the time at
Speaker 4: least for me, that I really, for the first time
Speaker 4: seriously was contemplating my own more mortality. You know, I
Speaker 4: would come home from work and you know, everybody was asleep.
Speaker 4: I'd get home late at night and I would sit
Speaker 4: out back and I would this is when I still
Speaker 4: smoke cigarettes, and I would be smoking a cigarette and
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I mean, this could be the night
Speaker 4: that I caught it, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 4: who knows that might not make it or something. And
Speaker 4: so I really kind of went inward and really thought
Speaker 4: about that. And so I mean, who knows, a lot
Speaker 4: of people probably kind of went through that in their
Speaker 4: own way, and so maybe that was kind of the
Speaker 4: crack and the veil, oh dude.
Speaker 1: And and that amount of fear, especially like if you're
Speaker 1: somebody that believed it wholeheartedly, like all that COVID shit,
Speaker 1: like wholeheartedly at the very beginning. I mean, the amount
Speaker 1: of fear that you are creating inside your own mind
Speaker 1: is crazy because you think about it, like, we didn't
Speaker 1: really know a whole hell of a whole lot, like
Speaker 1: a lot about it. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: propaganda over in China with people falling over on the
Speaker 1: street and all that kind of stuff, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you look up on CNN and you see the death
Speaker 1: the death toll counter and you're like, what is this
Speaker 1: doomsday shit going on here? And then you almost have
Speaker 1: to make it, you know, somewhat serious, you know, if
Speaker 1: or at least do a little bit of research into it.
Speaker 1: And all of that, really I think dropped an absolute
Speaker 1: nuke inside the minds of just about everybody because whether
Speaker 1: you believed it, didn't believe it, whatever, I mean, it
Speaker 1: affected you, affected you one way or another, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it was because of your job or whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: And so I think that it was kind of like
Speaker 1: a necessary thing to be honest with you, all that
Speaker 1: COVID kind of stuff, you know, and yeah, and you
Speaker 1: hear so many people like connecting with their guides and
Speaker 1: connecting with you know, whatever they connect with on the
Speaker 1: other side that were just like, yeah, that was kind
Speaker 1: of like a that was on purpose and that and
Speaker 1: the purpose of it was to help wike people up
Speaker 1: and get them out of the hamster wheel of the
Speaker 1: nine to five and you know, question there're own mortality
Speaker 1: and where did you come from? Where are you going?
Speaker 1: And all this kind of stuff. Right, So I think
Speaker 1: that it was a necessary evil, so to say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, Like I agree. And I was one of
Speaker 5: the people who like was actually really in fear in
Speaker 5: the beginning. My whole family we got really sick. Like
Speaker 5: the second like the lockdowns happened and everything, and we
Speaker 5: ended up getting COVID right away and like listening to
Speaker 5: the news and everything they're telling you and hearing the
Speaker 5: death poll and everything.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 5: So, my son he's had like health problems growing up.
Speaker 5: He was when he was born, at two days old,
Speaker 5: we found out he had a heart murmur and he
Speaker 5: had to have open heart surgery. He was four months old.
Speaker 5: But he did like amazing and he's ten years old now.
Speaker 5: But just like knowing he has like those extra like
Speaker 5: kind of problems that he's dealt with, you know, that
Speaker 5: elevated the fear in myself and it was like the
Speaker 5: end of the world, Like it was crazy they shut
Speaker 5: down I remember I loved writing BMX and skateboarding, and
Speaker 5: they poured sand in the skate parks. Like I couldn't
Speaker 5: even go to the skate park and be outdoors and
Speaker 5: like do my hobby to like relax and escape the
Speaker 5: fear that they were creating.
Speaker 1: Is that in California?
Speaker 5: This in Colorado?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Yeah, that's crazy that they went to those extents.
Speaker 1: I mean they were shutting down beaches and everything.
Speaker 5: I was like, come on, yeah, But definitely like was
Speaker 5: the crack though, Like it opened my eyes up to
Speaker 5: they're willing to like do this to all of us,
Speaker 5: then what what else are they willing to do? And
Speaker 5: that's when I started learning about all the different like
Speaker 5: CIA programs have had in the past, and all the
Speaker 5: just crazy things that has happened throughout history that they
Speaker 5: don't really teach you about.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're nice backfire of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're not gonna they're not gonna teach you
Speaker 1: about all the ways that they've manipulated society and and
Speaker 1: all the different mk ultra kind of programs that they
Speaker 1: did on people and just wild things. Dude, all we
Speaker 1: are is just like hamsters in a cage. To like
Speaker 1: the people at the absolute upper echelon of government and
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, like a lot of these
Speaker 1: uh whistleblowers, It almost gives me a little pause because
Speaker 1: these are the same people that lied to everybody for
Speaker 1: at least the last eighty years as far as any
Speaker 1: kind of transparency with aliens and UFOs and crash wreckage
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. Right, So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are your thoughts on, you know, certain
Speaker 1: government whistleblowers? And I don't like to paint with a
Speaker 1: broad brush. I think that there are actually some very
Speaker 1: genuine people. And if you hear like some some of
Speaker 1: the people's testimony, I mean, it doesn't sound like bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know, like it sounds kinda sincere. I just wonder
Speaker 1: to what.
Speaker 5: Extent, Yeah, yeah, I definitely a lot of the whistleblowers,
Speaker 5: Like it's so hard to judge, like the Luo al Zondo,
Speaker 5: whose job was to like do all these covert things
Speaker 5: and then you're expected to trust them, but I don't know,
Speaker 5: just like his tone and the way that he speaks,
Speaker 5: he's either like an amazing actor or like the information
Speaker 5: he's giving is genuine. And I was in the Air
Speaker 5: Force for six years, and when I hear service members,
Speaker 5: especially like the nuclear service members, because I know how
Speaker 5: intense the nukes program was, I was in munitions, so
Speaker 5: actually my tech school was like right across the hallway
Speaker 5: from the nukes tech school. And just these people are
Speaker 5: the most credible, looked over people that we have in
Speaker 5: our military. So I kind of just have to believe
Speaker 5: what they're saying, and then just the way that they're
Speaker 5: expressing and their emotions that they're having, and just the
Speaker 5: way they're telling the story To me, it resonates as
Speaker 5: real experience.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, there's definitely something to it, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you had the recently, the age of Disclosure
Speaker 1: saying thing come out, and I did want to say
Speaker 1: that as far as lewell, I've kind of just been
Speaker 1: straddling that whole situation with him because you know, there's
Speaker 1: a piece of me that wants to believe him, But
Speaker 1: then there's that piece of me that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been doing podcasts forever five years now. I know
Speaker 1: an entertainer when I see one. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I know someone who is trying to like, you know,
Speaker 1: make something more than what it is or almost fib
Speaker 1: and lye and stuff like that, and I get a
Speaker 1: little bit of showman with him. Is like my reading
Speaker 1: on him, especially that he did one he said one
Speaker 1: thing whenever he started looking real deep into it, like
Speaker 1: all the UFO and stuff like that, aliens, and and
Speaker 1: he told somebody he goes, well, you know, if you
Speaker 1: ever look into a lot of this this UFO and
Speaker 1: this alien stuff, just make sure you pull out your Bible,
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure I know what they are or
Speaker 1: something along those lines, I was like, does everything got
Speaker 1: to be angels and demons? Like can we just can
Speaker 1: we just move on?
Speaker 5: That's the hard thing for me too, Like I is
Speaker 5: not religious at all, Like I considered myself atheist basically
Speaker 5: until two years ago, and finding the orbs and seeing
Speaker 5: the things that I've seen now and have experienced has
Speaker 5: brought me to the connection to God. But I don't
Speaker 5: even like using the word God, like it's still so strange,
Speaker 5: and praying feels so weird. So I think just the
Speaker 5: problem with the whole situation is there's a problem with labels.
Speaker 5: And everyone has a belief that they've created for a
Speaker 5: certain words, so as soon as they hear that word,
Speaker 5: they just go right into their belief and they're not
Speaker 5: going to change their beliefs just because some other person
Speaker 5: is saying something. But what people don't realize is we're
Speaker 5: all describing the same thing. We're just using the different terms.
Speaker 5: Like an angel could be the same thing as an alien,
Speaker 5: it's the same thing as an interdimensional being. That's I
Speaker 5: think it's I think labels and just like the way
Speaker 5: we communicate is a really big problem, and like getting
Speaker 5: the information out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, how else are you gonna how else
Speaker 1: are you gonna talk about a light being? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, because you say light being to
Speaker 1: some people, they're like, oh you're with that wu woo shit,
Speaker 1: aren't you? Or you know, you say I'm talking to
Speaker 1: my spirits? Oh God, here here we got another nut job.
Speaker 1: But if you say you're talking to archangel Michael, or
Speaker 1: you're talking to Jesus, it's like, what did he say?
Speaker 5: You know? It's like one That is another comment that
Speaker 5: I do get a lot of. There was one video
Speaker 5: I posted where I was like calling out. I was
Speaker 5: just like God, Holy Spirit, Spirit guides. And someone had
Speaker 5: to comment in there and there was like I was
Speaker 5: with you until you said spirit guides. But Jesus Christ
Speaker 5: is the only one savior. And I'm just like, people
Speaker 5: don't even understand what Jesus was like saying. He said,
Speaker 5: don't worship me, he said be like me, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's kind I'm sorry. I didn't mean to
Speaker 4: cut you off. That's kind of where I've been lately
Speaker 4: as far as like the whole savior thing. You know,
Speaker 4: anytime there's something that you know, there's maybe you have
Speaker 4: a time crunch, there's something you got to take care
Speaker 4: of or else this, or you know, you got to
Speaker 4: bill to pay. It's it's you know, no one's going
Speaker 4: to come along and do that for you. You know,
Speaker 4: like the thing that or the person that takes care
Speaker 4: of that is you. You got to get up, you
Speaker 4: got to be you know, motivate yourself to go and
Speaker 4: do set thing, you know. And so the whole savior
Speaker 4: thing is what kind of gets me as far as
Speaker 4: looking outward for something that's going to come along and
Speaker 4: and kind of just help you out, you know. And
Speaker 4: I think that we are capable. We are very capable.
Speaker 4: You know. We have our our our mind, we have
Speaker 4: you know, the ability to transmute and to uh use
Speaker 4: our imagination and create and do all of these things.
Speaker 4: It's like, why are we always looking outward?
Speaker 5: Right? Yeah, that's we should be looking within. And that's
Speaker 5: the biggest thing I've learned and the last two years
Speaker 5: and all this was really looking within and realizing like
Speaker 5: that we're all connected, We're all here on this planet together,
Speaker 5: and like that's the biggest thing that I really like
Speaker 5: my goal is just to bring everyone together and like
Speaker 5: realize we could be such a powerful species if we
Speaker 5: all came together and worked towards like a common goal
Speaker 5: of like bettering the planet for everyone instead of fighting
Speaker 5: and dividing over imaginary lines that are drawn around the planet.
Speaker 5: And that's one of the things that the phenomenon is.
Speaker 5: It makes you, like going down and looking at the stars,
Speaker 5: realize just how like small we are, but how big
Speaker 5: we think we are on this planet.
Speaker 4: Right. And see, that's the thing too, is that you know,
Speaker 4: whatever it is that we're seeing in the sky, I mean,
Speaker 4: how can we say for sure, you know, but I
Speaker 4: feel like whatever that is is a part of us,
Speaker 4: and we are a part of it, you know. Like
Speaker 4: people always will say this like, oh, you know, you
Speaker 4: have to go out into nature, you know, which is
Speaker 4: I agree, when you go out into nature it feels great,
Speaker 4: but you got to remember that you are part of
Speaker 4: that too, you know. Like people always kind of make
Speaker 4: that distinction, that separation of who we are and then
Speaker 4: everything else is nature, you know, And I think that's
Speaker 4: the kind of the miscommunication that that's been going around,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it just makes me think about like
Speaker 1: like as above, so below, as within, so without kind
Speaker 1: of thing, right, And you know, there's this there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of like older pictures or older depictions of and
Speaker 1: paintings and stuff like that of Jesus where he has
Speaker 1: one hand up and he's pointing upward right, almost like
Speaker 1: the Baphomet, but instead of pointing up and down with
Speaker 1: each hand like the as above, so beloved, as above,
Speaker 1: so below axiom, he's going one one hand up and
Speaker 1: the other one's pointing to his chest right. So it's
Speaker 1: like as above, so within, And you're instead of trying
Speaker 1: to be a conduit from bringing heaven down to earth,
Speaker 1: you're trying to bring heaven down to your heart and
Speaker 1: and like into your mind and into your body kind
Speaker 1: of thing going on there. And so I actually think
Speaker 1: that that is a little bit better, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it makes a little bit more sense to me, because
Speaker 1: all you are is just a perspective of the world.
Speaker 1: And if you have, you know, an open hearted loving,
Speaker 1: like unconditional love, like not this fake love bullshit that
Speaker 1: everybody's doing nowadays, right, but like that kind of love
Speaker 1: that just transcends and doesn't judge and does everything that
Speaker 1: Jesus was talking about, Like that makes a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot more sense than just going around and judging
Speaker 1: everybody for not believing in what you believe in.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, weird stuff. So I did want to get
Speaker 1: over to you. You got a video that really piqued
Speaker 1: my interest, and it was a video of what seemed
Speaker 1: to be orbs with wings. Can you tell me a
Speaker 1: little bit about that and what do you think is
Speaker 1: actually going on there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that was just recently. Actually that was a
Speaker 5: November twenty fifth. I went out and I just got
Speaker 5: a brand new camera like a month ago, so I've
Speaker 5: been trying to figure out the new settings and how
Speaker 5: to get the best footage I can. So I've been
Speaker 5: going out trying to record, and unfortunately it's been really
Speaker 5: cloudy and just not good conditions. And that night was
Speaker 5: the first queer night I had, and luckily, like going
Speaker 5: out those other nights, I got my settings pretty dialed
Speaker 5: in too. So I was out recording and I don't
Speaker 5: even know what prompted me to look up, but I
Speaker 5: had my camera pointed one way, and I just glanced
Speaker 5: up real quick, and I just saw two really bright orbs,
Speaker 5: is what it looked like to me. I didn't see
Speaker 5: the wings or any a thing like that, so I
Speaker 5: knew it was flying too fast for me to like
Speaker 5: try to get too quick, So I positioned my camera
Speaker 5: where it was heading and then I think you even
Speaker 5: hear me say like it took me a second to
Speaker 5: find it in there because I'm still trying to figure
Speaker 5: out my new camera. But when I went in to
Speaker 5: edit the video and I zoomed in on it, that's
Speaker 5: when I noticed that they had the wings on them.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if you guys are into the
Speaker 5: what like Chris Bloodsoe's story and stuff like that, yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: So like I'm a part of the discord and I've
Speaker 5: been following them for a couple of years now, but
Speaker 5: out Riverfest a couple of years ago, I remember there
Speaker 5: was this experience where they saw what they called not birds,
Speaker 5: but it was like these luminous orbs that came in
Speaker 5: and they had wings and they were flapping, and then
Speaker 5: I think they described that they just vanished as they
Speaker 5: flew away. So when I zoomed in on my footage
Speaker 5: and I saw the wings, that instantly that's what I
Speaker 5: thought of. And then I started thinking like, okay, like
Speaker 5: how how many times has this been seen throughout history?
Speaker 5: So then I started doing some research and I threw
Speaker 5: it into like my AI to ask it, like you no,
Speaker 5: give me all the references to winged orbs throughout history,
Speaker 5: and it told me it's actually one of humanity's oldest
Speaker 5: symbols from ancient Egypt, and there's a winged orb on
Speaker 5: one of the stones that's carved there, so it's just
Speaker 5: really crazy. And then there's multiple other references to it
Speaker 5: throughout history as well. So I don't know. One of
Speaker 5: the things I've been looking into recently is just like
Speaker 5: looking into different ways to view the phenomenon. So recently
Speaker 5: I just did like a series on shamanism, which actually
Speaker 5: kind of really resonated with everything that's going on, like
Speaker 5: realizing that they're describing the same things that we're still
Speaker 5: seeing today and realizing that this is just like something
Speaker 5: that is ancient and has been here the whole time.
Speaker 5: We just we're completely unaware and didn't even know to
Speaker 5: look for it.
Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, there's absolutely something going on with that. Like
Speaker 1: that is so nuts, I mean.
Speaker 4: Crazy, by the way, Like if you guys aren't on
Speaker 4: Patreon and you can't see this, that that is that's
Speaker 4: clearly wings flapping. Yeah, yeah, And I.
Speaker 5: Couldn't even see the wing like this is like fifteen
Speaker 5: times zoomed in. So when I saw it, it was
Speaker 5: just two like bright orbs flying through the sky like
Speaker 5: they looked, but it didn't look anything like birds. And
Speaker 5: I actually recorded a whole bunch of birds like the
Speaker 5: couple nights before that. So in one of my newer
Speaker 5: videos I'm gonna be making, I'm gonna be like comparing
Speaker 5: the footage and trying to like show people and also
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be breaking down like the history of the
Speaker 5: winged orb and like try to just give people knowledge
Speaker 5: on how it's been around.
Speaker 2: Awfully bright for a bird at night, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the camera at least in this in this
Speaker 4: footage here, was that like some sort of night vision.
Speaker 5: Oh, this is the Sony Alpha A seven S two
Speaker 5: and I was using the Tamron twenty eight to seventy
Speaker 5: five milimeter F two point eight lens, So it's just
Speaker 5: normal lens. It wasn't ir it wasn't anything like that.
Speaker 4: In red or anything. They're yeah, they're not worth picking
Speaker 4: up on anything. Oh wow, Yeah that is wild. That
Speaker 4: is absolutely not seen that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, either that's pretty sick.
Speaker 5: And then it's hard because I'm like editing the footage
Speaker 5: and I'm like is this birds or like what is this?
Speaker 5: And then that like if I go to post it,
Speaker 5: of course, like the first comment I got was like
Speaker 5: those are birds.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, birds aren't real.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 4: Some people are extra weird for that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, but it is. It is so shocking
Speaker 1: to see something like that because those things are up
Speaker 1: there and and it almost it almost looks like, you know,
Speaker 1: at first, I was like, oh, it kind of looks
Speaker 1: like bats almost or something like that, but bats ain't
Speaker 1: flying that damn high, like that's up with the airplanes.
Speaker 5: It looks like, you know, yeah, and that's it was.
Speaker 5: It was up like at airplane height, and it was
Speaker 5: moving so fast, like I don't know how long. My
Speaker 5: video is only like maybe fifteen seconds, and it was
Speaker 5: across the whole sky, like I know, some birds are
Speaker 5: pretty quick, but they were booking it right. Whatever that was.
Speaker 4: There was one time I captured a video and it
Speaker 4: was really close to the time that there was a
Speaker 4: rocket launched, you know, And so that's the one thing
Speaker 4: that kind of got me like already kind of questioning
Speaker 4: it and kind of doubting it. But the footage that
Speaker 4: I captured, it was like an orb of white light
Speaker 4: and it was close, like I know that that footage there,
Speaker 4: it looked like they were kind of far away, but
Speaker 4: you could see that it was like very defined wings.
Speaker 4: The thing that I saw was like a ball of
Speaker 4: light and there was like light shooting off the sides
Speaker 4: of it, and then the light almost started to like
Speaker 4: I don't know, it was like very wispy, almost like intentional.
Speaker 4: And the only way I could describe it was it
Speaker 4: kind of looked like wings, you know. And so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the only other time I've seen anything like that.
Speaker 4: But that was like very clear.
Speaker 6: Have y'all seen the rubber duck UFO? No, So there's
Speaker 6: a there's some military footage that's like it's legit confirmed,
Speaker 6: real footage, and it's it books just like a rubber
Speaker 6: duck flying through the air and they're tracking it like
Speaker 6: with a drone and it's a straight up UFO, but
Speaker 6: but it's in the shape of a rubber duck and
Speaker 6: it's like it's large, and it's moving real fast and
Speaker 6: it's spinning like this and it's going through the air
Speaker 6: and like I think there's a from what I understand
Speaker 6: is like there's a playful element to mimicry that they
Speaker 6: do for fun. And I think that this you know,
Speaker 6: flapping bird or the rubber duck type thing, the jellyfish.
Speaker 6: I mean, they do stuff for fun sometimes too, I think, hmm, yeah.
Speaker 5: Definitely, man.
Speaker 4: But I think that's the way we're supposed to be
Speaker 4: kind of living life, Like, yeah, take things seriously. There's
Speaker 4: things that we need to take care of, there's things
Speaker 4: that we need to kind of put a little more
Speaker 4: attention into. And but I think we're supposed to be
Speaker 4: having more fun than what we are. You know, we're
Speaker 4: supposed to be funnier. Things are supposed to be a
Speaker 4: little more comical, you know, but we take ourselves so
Speaker 4: so seriously. And that's just the ego anyways, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of with that that one guy you guys were
Speaker 4: talking about earlier as far as like maybe he's a
Speaker 4: little bit showsman, But I think what happened maybe like
Speaker 4: if he is completely authentic and is telling the truth,
Speaker 4: you know, I think maybe all the attention he was getting,
Speaker 4: maybe his ego kind of started to get puffed up
Speaker 4: a little bit, and maybe then he was kind of
Speaker 4: putting it on a little bit more just to you know,
Speaker 4: because he was enjoying the attention. You know, who knows
Speaker 4: as human experiences is so complex, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I found the rubber duck ufo that you
Speaker 1: were talking about.
Speaker 4: Nick.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen this one, or if
Speaker 1: I did, I probably just like, oh, somebody's getting good
Speaker 1: at editing or whatever. But yeah, it turns out it's
Speaker 1: I mean, they put it up on the History Channel,
Speaker 1: so I mean it wasn't just a internet fluff I guess.
Speaker 1: But check this out, dude. Look at that fucking thing.
Speaker 1: Dude just floating along just like a little over talk one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that does that straight up looks like a rubber duck.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is unreal. What do you do
Speaker 1: with that? When you see something like that?
Speaker 4: You know, like, well, who captured the video?
Speaker 1: Actually that was a military video, Yeah, really like with
Speaker 1: like legit camera badass, you.
Speaker 6: Know, like yeah, but yeah, no, they have a they
Speaker 6: have a little bit of fun.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like the same thing with the with
Speaker 1: the whole jellyfish. That was another military video with the
Speaker 1: whole the jellyfish or looking thing that was floating around
Speaker 1: at crazy speeds going up and down and around and around,
Speaker 1: and it was just I don't know. I mean, they
Speaker 1: say non human intelligence, but you know what, what could
Speaker 1: that be? I just get so baffled about this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I believe it though.
Speaker 4: I think it's just consciousness, dude, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's just us, dude.
Speaker 1: I've actually often thought that, is it possible that people
Speaker 1: are getting really good at like astro projecting and you know,
Speaker 1: just like projecting their consciousness in such a way that
Speaker 1: they can appear as some form of conscious light form.
Speaker 4: There's somebody out there right now, like, yeah, I went
Speaker 4: out of body. It was crazy. I was flying right
Speaker 4: and I was flying pretty fast. Forget this, dude, I
Speaker 4: was a rubber duck. Nobody believes them, but like the
Speaker 4: military cop footage of them, you know, he's like bilocating
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could, you know, change it up.
Speaker 1: I mean I might just try and go out there
Speaker 1: as a dinosaur or something like that, looking like the
Speaker 1: t Rex from Toy Story or some shit. That would
Speaker 1: just be you know, just to mess with people. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it does make you wonder, like, are we justin do
Speaker 1: you think that we're seeing some kind of dimensional overlay
Speaker 1: that these things are naturally naturally happening in another dimension.
Speaker 1: I've heard this brought up several times before, that what
Speaker 1: we're seeing right now is maybe the veil is thinning
Speaker 1: a little bit, or maybe we're just having maybe we
Speaker 1: have the faculties to be able to see them a
Speaker 1: little bit more because our vibration is rising or the
Speaker 1: frequency of the planet is rising. And then and then
Speaker 1: that's that's what's allowing us to be able to kind
Speaker 1: of perceive these things. What do you think is going
Speaker 1: on with that?
Speaker 5: I mean, that is like one of the theories that
Speaker 5: I do have, and I do think that is like
Speaker 5: a pretty likely like theory, like the way I try
Speaker 5: to believe in things. This is like a scale of
Speaker 5: like me like most likely to least likely. And yeah,
Speaker 5: the like the dimension thing is fascinating to me. It's
Speaker 5: also like fascinating that mainstream media has kind of been
Speaker 5: like prepping us for like learning about different dimensions and
Speaker 5: the multi verse and like all those kind of things.
Speaker 5: And then now we're seeing like these interdimensional beings showing
Speaker 5: up and and then you hear like some of the
Speaker 5: people like Rep. Luna, I think she even called them
Speaker 5: interdimensional beings at one point in her podcast with Joe Rogan. So,
Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's definitely, like, like it could
Speaker 5: be very possible. It's hard to judge. Another theory I
Speaker 5: had when you were talking about like the people's consciousness
Speaker 5: being projected out. Maybe it's not even people who are
Speaker 5: like have got it dialed in. Maybe it's just people's
Speaker 5: consciousness just like getting projected at and they don't even
Speaker 5: realize that, like they're in different locations at the same time.
Speaker 5: Like I don't know if you guys have listened to
Speaker 5: like the telepathy tapes, but the just hearing the kids
Speaker 5: talk on there about how we're so much more than
Speaker 5: our physical body and we're existing on so many different
Speaker 5: levels that we're not even aware of. So who knows,
Speaker 5: Like that could be like another piece of us that's
Speaker 5: out there that we're just seeing and like what the
Speaker 5: heck is that thing? But it's yeah, it's definitely or
Speaker 5: it could be like our higher self even like sending
Speaker 5: us signs like I don't I go outside and pray
Speaker 5: a lot, and I'll ask for like guidance and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, and that's usually when I can like get
Speaker 5: these flashes and things, and it's like, is that just
Speaker 5: my higher self guide in me? And like, yes, you're
Speaker 5: on the right path, Like here's a flash or like
Speaker 5: something like that too, Like I don't know. It's one
Speaker 5: of the funnest things to think about though, Like I
Speaker 5: love thinking about it absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to have like a really like it
Speaker 1: almost forces you to open your mind and expand your
Speaker 1: imagination because it's so baffling. It's nothing like anything that
Speaker 1: we've ever come in contact with. And the only thing
Speaker 1: that it is even reminiscent of is things that you
Speaker 1: see in your dreams, things that you see whenever you're daydreaming,
Speaker 1: things that you see when you're in meditation, things that
Speaker 1: you see when you're on psychedelics. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: that it even comes close to being like. And so
Speaker 1: of course people are going to try and and hone
Speaker 1: in on those kind of things and really get crazy
Speaker 1: deep into meditation and you know, like all the different
Speaker 1: kinds of meditations and everything transcendental whatever, right guided meditations.
Speaker 1: You want to talk to your spirit guides whatever like
Speaker 1: people are and that's what we're trying to do as well,
Speaker 1: Like that's why we meditate at the end of every episode,
Speaker 1: because first of all, it's it's really good for you,
Speaker 1: like meditation in general is one of the best things
Speaker 1: that you can do for yourself. But also it kind
Speaker 1: of takes away that fear, especially if you're going in
Speaker 1: there and dealing with shadow work or whatever you got
Speaker 1: going on, because the subconscious is one hell of a
Speaker 1: crazy deep hole that most of us have a lot
Speaker 1: of things that we just submerge and try and forget about,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's not really good for anybody. So
Speaker 1: it's good to really shine a little bit of light
Speaker 1: on that. And maybe then I don't know. You listen
Speaker 1: to most psychics, they say that's how you become psychic,
Speaker 1: because by shining a light on all of the things
Speaker 1: that you've been trying to submerge underneath the deep waters
Speaker 1: of your subconscious. So I don't know. But then of
Speaker 1: course you have the psychedelics and people see crazy fractal
Speaker 1: you know, and fractalize things, crazy geometry, and maybe you're
Speaker 1: meeting certain beings or you're seeing a much larger version
Speaker 1: of yourself and you're understanding the oneness that you have
Speaker 1: with the universe, and all of it does sound crazy
Speaker 1: it does sound a little bit philosophical and woo woo
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, but to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, you kind of have to go there because none
Speaker 1: of us have a goddamn clue why why we exist
Speaker 1: in the first place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, the crazy thing is like as crazy
Speaker 5: as it sounds to the person who hasn't experienced it,
Speaker 5: once you do experience in it, it's like the most
Speaker 5: reasonable like conclusion, like yeah, we're all one, we're all connected,
Speaker 5: like we survive beyond death. Consciousness exists like outside the body.
Speaker 5: But when you're stuck in those beliefs outside of it,
Speaker 5: you're like, those people are so freaking crazy. They believe
Speaker 5: all this crazy stuff and like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's just so funny. But they're also it's so like
Speaker 5: contradictory because they'll be religious where they believe in God
Speaker 5: like supernatural figure that dictates over everything. But it's so
Speaker 5: crazy that we're seeing like lights in the sky that's
Speaker 5: also been described throughout like the Bible with encounters of
Speaker 5: flaming balls coming down from the sky.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well yeah, it's yeah, hens like this would
Speaker 1: only see demons obvious.
Speaker 5: Right, And that's the other thing, Like I do get
Speaker 5: that comment sometimes too, like you're messing with demons. Well,
Speaker 5: I don't know why demons are showing up when I'm
Speaker 5: praying to God and sending out love and light into
Speaker 5: the universe.
Speaker 1: Well, it's because you didn't give your life to Jesus,
Speaker 1: do you know. It's so silly. I mean, it's such
Speaker 1: a limited understanding of how all this whole thing works.
Speaker 1: And and I gotta be honest with you, there's a
Speaker 1: one percent chance of me that's like maybe I'm the
Speaker 1: dumb one and they got it right, you know, just
Speaker 1: I try and keep myself balanced here from time to time.
Speaker 1: But then I even start thinking about that, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no way, dude, There's got to be something so
Speaker 1: much more to it, especially whenever you start going super
Speaker 1: crazy deep into you know, uh, the Nagamadi with a
Speaker 1: lot of the the ancient texts that were kind of
Speaker 1: left out of the Bible, and who was putting the
Speaker 1: Bible together back in the year, you know, in the
Speaker 1: in the fourth century, and all the different emperors and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and why did they include Paul. Paul
Speaker 1: never even met Jesus. Yet most of what we understand
Speaker 1: about Christianity is from Paul. Who is this Paul character,
Speaker 1: So we're just supposed to trust him because he was
Speaker 1: at one point against the Christians and killing Christians, but
Speaker 1: then he had a change of heart because he met
Speaker 1: him in a fucking vision, which sounds very similar to
Speaker 1: what Emperor Constantine saw in another vision, which led him
Speaker 1: to bring Christianity over to Rome in the first place.
Speaker 1: I just don't buy none of the story. It all
Speaker 1: seems a little bit fishing to me, and we have
Speaker 1: to rely on one person's vision, whereas nowadays, if somebody
Speaker 1: has a vision, it is probably the most easily dismissed
Speaker 1: thing that you could ever imagine.
Speaker 4: But two thousand years ago, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I went on at the.
Speaker 5: Definitely like even like my shamanism videos I made, like
Speaker 5: I'm taking an archaeology class right now, so I was
Speaker 5: learning about the ancient shamans, and I was like, dang,
Speaker 5: I didn't realize like just how respected they were in
Speaker 5: the community and it was perfectly normal for them to
Speaker 5: go to the spirit world and get information to bring
Speaker 5: back to the community to help them all like level
Speaker 5: up basically. But you say that today and no, you're
Speaker 5: crazy like it just oh, we're just like so disconnected.
Speaker 5: It's it's so like once you wake up to it too,
Speaker 5: it's just realizing that people are just so stuck in
Speaker 5: those beliefs. And then like I listened to an audiobook,
Speaker 5: it was mind haacking happiness and like actually like learning
Speaker 5: about people's beliefs and why people don't want to change
Speaker 5: their beliefs. And it's when you present something that's physically
Speaker 5: challenging to them, it causes them physical pain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like.
Speaker 5: I understand like the not wanting to be open, but
Speaker 5: at the same time, like you just got to think
Speaker 5: of the possibilities and like what what's the harm in
Speaker 5: thinking of maybe like what if you know?
Speaker 1: And it's so crazy too, about just how insanely out
Speaker 1: of context we look at, you know, certain spiritual and
Speaker 1: religious things. You know, for example, Jesus I believe did
Speaker 1: Jesus call himself a rabbi or were some of his
Speaker 1: followers calling him a rabbi? Either way, all a rabbi
Speaker 1: is is just a teacher, Like that's all it was
Speaker 1: made to be. And actually the term wasn't even formalized
Speaker 1: within any religion until right around his life or maybe
Speaker 1: even a little bit thereafter. Some people debate on even
Speaker 1: the term rabbi or whatever. It doesn't matter. He was
Speaker 1: just a teacher, right, and that's how he wanted to
Speaker 1: be taught. Now, imagine, and I always like to try
Speaker 1: and put this in in a sense that like, what
Speaker 1: if it would happen to you, how would you take it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: So, for example, if you got this uh, this teacher,
Speaker 1: and he's going around and he's saying, look, all you
Speaker 1: gotta do is do all these things that I'm telling you, Like,
Speaker 1: forget about the crazy rules and the old covenants and
Speaker 1: and all this crazy crap. You don't need to sacrifice
Speaker 1: in anything anymore. Just you know, the Kingdom of Heaven
Speaker 1: is within you. If therefore, your your, your, your I
Speaker 1: be single, then your whole body should be full of light,
Speaker 1: all the fun sayings. Right Like you just took all
Speaker 1: of that and and you applied it to your life,
Speaker 1: Then would it would it? Wouldn't it be so much
Speaker 1: different if you looked at it that way as opposed
Speaker 1: to now, let's say, justin let's just say, for for
Speaker 1: shits and giggles, that I am your spiritual teacher and
Speaker 1: I am your rabbi for example, right, and I was
Speaker 1: to say, all right, you know, the only way that
Speaker 1: you can get into heaven is if you believe me
Speaker 1: me as in the physical meat suit, I am the
Speaker 1: Son of God, I am your Lord and Savior, and
Speaker 1: you're not going anywhere without me. And I don't even
Speaker 1: mean to turn this into a religious thing. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to go there, really, but I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: bring a little context to what was really you know,
Speaker 1: trying to bring my own context to what was probably
Speaker 1: going on back then. It wouldn't make any sense. You'd
Speaker 1: be like, believe in you? What what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like I believe some of the shit that you'll say,
Speaker 1: you know, like we can take it to that point.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's weird because especially back then, there
Speaker 1: was not really a whole lot of people that even
Speaker 1: knew how to read and you know, so you had
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But you know what I'm really happy
Speaker 1: about is that what we have nowadays is we have
Speaker 1: social media, we have the Internet, We have more ways
Speaker 1: to get in contact with many of different people all
Speaker 1: over the world from all different realms of thought and
Speaker 1: all different spiritual understandings and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And you can, and you don't have to necessarily be
Speaker 1: formalized and initiated in some form of secret society or
Speaker 1: anything like that. You don't have to take a seven
Speaker 1: year vow of islence in order just to receive one
Speaker 1: little nugget of spiritual truth anymore. You can kind of
Speaker 1: just search it up and try to apply it to
Speaker 1: your life. It's pretty fun and and so it's it's
Speaker 1: a much easier thing to do now, I think, because
Speaker 1: you can almost initiate yourself into this understanding. You know,
Speaker 1: look into the ancient Hermetic teachings and Neoplatonic teachings and
Speaker 1: and whatever. All of all of them have been trying
Speaker 1: to kind of describe the same sort of thing for
Speaker 1: a very long time, the Egyptian stuff. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like what we're seeing nowadays is nothing new. Whenever
Speaker 1: we look up in the sky and we see something
Speaker 1: that is absolutely unexplainable, you know, definitely, Like I just
Speaker 1: I try and keep a very open mind with all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But you know, actually the very
Speaker 1: first person that got us on this stuff was Electro Nick.
Speaker 1: He's the one that came and well, he came to
Speaker 1: Baton Rouge and showed me looked up in the sky
Speaker 1: and oh my god, there's something up in the sky
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any damn sense. Then he goes he
Speaker 1: just happens to have some kind of contract to go
Speaker 1: to go work in Phoenix and goes to visit Seawan.
Speaker 1: They look up in the sky, Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: that ain't a plane, you know. So it's so crazy
Speaker 1: about how even this conversation is going down right now,
Speaker 1: because if it wasn't for Nick, we probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: even been interested in what you have to say.
Speaker 4: But here we are. No, no, I mean I was
Speaker 4: looking in this guy for a very long time. For years,
Speaker 4: you know. My wife would make fun of me because
Speaker 4: it was just like, like you said, it's like the
Speaker 4: funnest thing to think about, like the possibility and which
Speaker 4: you know, with the the size of the universe, why
Speaker 4: wouldn't there be a possibility of life outside of where
Speaker 4: we are, you know? And so I've always looked up
Speaker 4: and would I would have loved to see a UFO,
Speaker 4: you know. And only after Nick came and showed me.
Speaker 4: As soon as he's pulled up five minutes later, there's
Speaker 4: a light that I've never seen before, and I've been
Speaker 4: looking and so like, how how is that? You know?
Speaker 4: Is it just because Nick already has that established? And
Speaker 4: so by him telling us and then showing us because
Speaker 4: it's already happening for him, now it's within my reality bubble.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of how I've been looking at that,
Speaker 4: you know, just the the possibility is now okay, well
Speaker 4: obviously it's already happened. I've already seen it now, you know,
Speaker 4: So now it's almost like you can't unsee it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. That's actually one of my favorite clips I recorded
Speaker 5: at the very first event we ever had was this
Speaker 5: year in August, and some guy who just showed up.
Speaker 5: He thought it was just like to look at the
Speaker 5: stars through telescopes and stuff. He had no idea what
Speaker 5: we were even trying to do, but he showed up
Speaker 5: and we're just telling him about UFOs and all this stuff.
Speaker 5: And the people who own the ranch where we did
Speaker 5: the event, they have two pairs of military grade night
Speaker 5: vision binoculars. So that was the first time I ever
Speaker 5: got to look through those. And once you look through them,
Speaker 5: you can see like every star, you can see everything
Speaker 5: so clear if there's anything moving, And this guy was
Speaker 5: looking through these binoculars and it just blew his mind.
Speaker 5: He just like comes over me. He's just like, dude,
Speaker 5: I just saw this thing like going through the sky
Speaker 5: but was like doing this weird motion. I was like, oh, yeah, swimming,
Speaker 5: He's like swimming. And then I told him, I was like,
Speaker 5: once you see it, you are forever changed. And the
Speaker 5: orb I was tracking right when I said that, it
Speaker 5: did like a big pulse and then like went out.
Speaker 5: So it was like confirmation that like, once you experienced this,
Speaker 5: you are forever changed, like you're open to the channel
Speaker 5: of being able to experience it.
Speaker 4: Wow. And you said swimming, you mean like it's kind
Speaker 4: of like, yeah.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like going like this kind of movement.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 1: That is so strange that something could even appear to
Speaker 1: be swimming above you know what I mean. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they've said it before, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: that is so crazy. And you know, as far as
Speaker 1: the night vision goggles, I actually hear a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are buying Like what was it. We had
Speaker 1: the guy on from Symbolic Studies. He said that he
Speaker 1: bought a pair of night vision goggles, just the monacular
Speaker 1: one just the one eyed one, and he was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I saw something and it came it came down to me,
Speaker 1: and then it went through me. He goes, I saw it,
Speaker 1: It happened to me, and we were just like, I
Speaker 1: guess we're gonna have to invest in some night vision
Speaker 1: goggles then, because I need to experience this, especially in
Speaker 1: what he was saying was is that his wife was
Speaker 1: down on the ground there with him, but she didn't
Speaker 1: They only had one pair of the envgs and so
Speaker 1: she wasn't able to see it, but he was able
Speaker 1: to see it. So interesting that you know, these things
Speaker 1: are happening outside of the light spectrum that we have
Speaker 1: access to, and yet here they are happening not only
Speaker 1: you know, miles up in the sky, but all around us.
Speaker 1: And I almost wonder, is this what you know the
Speaker 1: the ancient like Celtic people used to refer to as
Speaker 1: fairies and fay folk, Right, Yeah, it.
Speaker 5: Goes back to that, just labels. It's all labels for
Speaker 5: the same thing, I think, and I definitely agree. I
Speaker 5: think I are like infrared. There is so much more
Speaker 5: going on you can see an infrared than normal, Like
Speaker 5: my psionics. Whenever I use that to record. I can
Speaker 5: see so many different things that I can't see normally.
Speaker 1: So wait, his your son's name is Onyx, like the Pokemon.
Speaker 5: No, sorry, my psionics camera.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I heard that all the way right, my son's.
Speaker 5: Actually named link from like legend Mizelda.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, perfect, perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's crazy, dude. Yeah, I would definitely love to
Speaker 1: to invest in those. And you so you have some
Speaker 1: some night vision goggles then, so.
Speaker 5: I don't have night vision goggles. I have that camera,
Speaker 5: the Psionic camera. It records an infrared. But the people
Speaker 5: who on the ranch where I had my events at
Speaker 5: this year, they have two pairs and I believe they
Speaker 5: were six thousand dollars a pair, Like these are legit military,
Speaker 5: Like I didn't even use night vision binoculars and I
Speaker 5: was in the Air Forces, so this is the first
Speaker 5: time I got to use them. I was like, damn,
Speaker 5: these things are legit, Like you can see everything like
Speaker 5: it's insane.
Speaker 4: And I imagine they're worth it, you know, Oh absolutely,
Speaker 4: that's the thing that we miss out on. I feel like,
Speaker 4: especially if you live in the city, you know, you
Speaker 4: don't get to see as many stars as there do
Speaker 4: they record or is it just visual.
Speaker 5: No, So those ones were just visual, which is the
Speaker 5: unfortunate part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, because you want to like as soon
Speaker 1: as you see something, you're like, nobody's gonna believe me,
Speaker 1: but I just saw.
Speaker 6: Or you're byr with people and you're the only ones
Speaker 6: that can see what you're watching.
Speaker 2: You can't say a look at that.
Speaker 4: You know, there was something that in one of your
Speaker 4: tiktoks that you were talking about as far as going
Speaker 4: into like a meditative state or falling asleep consciously, and
Speaker 4: you were able to see through your eyelids, could you
Speaker 4: tell us? Yeah.
Speaker 5: So when I first got into the phenomenon and looking
Speaker 5: for the orbs and everything, I kind of had like
Speaker 5: a convergence of multiple things happened at the same time.
Speaker 5: So I started looking in I started looking at the sky.
Speaker 5: I started researching into the phenomenon. I also started listening
Speaker 5: to the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes Let's Go. So I
Speaker 5: started doing those, and I did those like every day
Speaker 5: for like a year. Every morning at five am, I'd
Speaker 5: just wake up and do one or two of those meditations.
Speaker 5: And after I don't know, like six or so months,
Speaker 5: I finally decide I want to try to like have
Speaker 5: an out of body experience, like the way that Robert
Speaker 5: Monroe describes. So you go to bed and you try
Speaker 5: to sleep for I think two like sleep cycles, and
Speaker 5: then you wake up and then that's when you're gonna
Speaker 5: do your meditation. So the day it happens, it was
Speaker 5: kind of like a combination of things. Again. But I
Speaker 5: didn't have to go to work that day, so I
Speaker 5: was already excited. It was payday, so I just got paid.
Speaker 5: I knew the bills were good, like everything's good, and
Speaker 5: I was going hiking. And then that day before, my
Speaker 5: friend had told me just about this meditation he found
Speaker 5: on YouTube, which is Unlock Your Life, Beginner's Guide to
Speaker 5: Astral Projection. It's like an hour and forty minute meditation
Speaker 5: on YouTube. And he's like, I found this meditation. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna check it out. And I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 5: So I go to bed that night and I just
Speaker 5: woke up at three am and I was like, I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna try this meditation. So I threw it on
Speaker 5: and I listened to it and I stayed like aware,
Speaker 5: like through pretty much the whole meditation and at the
Speaker 5: end when it ended, as soon as it stopped. I
Speaker 5: felt these insane like vibrations throughout my body and like
Speaker 5: you know, the little shocky pins like when you shock it.
Speaker 5: It felt like that through my entire body, and it
Speaker 5: did that for probably like fifteen seconds. But when it happened.
Speaker 5: From learning about out of boy experiences, I knew this
Speaker 5: was like a common occurrence, so I told myself, like,
Speaker 5: just stay calm, just breathe. So I went through that
Speaker 5: and then it stopped, and I was like okay, and
Speaker 5: then it started again, and I went through a couple
Speaker 5: of cycles of these vibrations, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: I could see my room through my eyelids and it
Speaker 5: wasn't dark anymore. It was kind of like a blue,
Speaker 5: kind of like toned light, and I could see my
Speaker 5: ceiling fans spinning, and I realized, like, oh no, I'm
Speaker 5: like kind of getting close to this thing, so like
Speaker 5: I was floating up towards it. Oh and researching into
Speaker 5: out of body experiences, I've heard from so many people
Speaker 5: that when they look back to look at their body,
Speaker 5: it freaks them out so bad that they snap back in.
Speaker 5: So I was like, I'm not gonna look at my
Speaker 5: body at all.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so.
Speaker 5: It was weird though it was my room, but like
Speaker 5: my bedroom window is over here and we have curtains
Speaker 5: in front of it. The curtains were now moved to
Speaker 5: my other wall and we're blocking my closet door and
Speaker 5: my bathroom door, and the window was open, and then
Speaker 5: I was able to just think, like I want to
Speaker 5: go to the window. And then I was at the window,
Speaker 5: and then I was looking out my backyard. And the
Speaker 5: strange thing is it was like my backyard from a
Speaker 5: couple of years before, like we had to play like
Speaker 5: a swing set back there that we got rid of
Speaker 5: and got a trampoline, and the swing set was there.
Speaker 5: I was like, that's weird. I was like, I want
Speaker 5: to go out there. Next thing I know, I'm at
Speaker 5: the swing set and I told myself. I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go touch the slide and if it's hard plastic,
Speaker 5: like this is like real, I don't know what the
Speaker 5: hell is going on. So I go and hit it
Speaker 5: and it was so solid, and I was just like
Speaker 5: I freaked out, and I was like me and my
Speaker 5: friend were trying to get out of body. So I
Speaker 5: was like I gotta go try to find my friend
Speaker 5: and then I just ended up in some weird location
Speaker 5: after that, and it got kind of like a bit
Speaker 5: strange and kind of fuzzy after that point. Like definitely
Speaker 5: the most clear part was me floating out and being
Speaker 5: like in my room and backyard. But that experience cemented
Speaker 5: in like my beliefs that we are more than our
Speaker 5: physical bodies, like we do exist outside of this thing.
Speaker 5: And I honestly it was the craziest experience ever. And
Speaker 5: I was on such a from that experience too, So
Speaker 5: that night I was like, Okay, I'm gonna try again,
Speaker 5: and I went through probably the most terrifying experience I've
Speaker 5: ever experienced that night. Yes, so I went through the
Speaker 5: meditation again at three am, I set my arm, woke up,
Speaker 5: I went through the vibrations once this time, and then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, it felt like something just grabbed
Speaker 5: my ankles and I went moving like it felt like
Speaker 5: I was sliding across the top of my sheets and
Speaker 5: my bed was in zero grabphy mode, and I could
Speaker 5: feel the like bumps sliding under my fingers, like as
Speaker 5: the sheets were like sliding. It's the strangest sensation. It
Speaker 5: felt like I got dragged for what I described as
Speaker 5: like a quarter mile, like I don't know, like but
Speaker 5: like zero to like one hundred and like nothing, just
Speaker 5: like quarter mile. And then this is where the fear
Speaker 5: came in, so.
Speaker 1: I would imagine, yeah.
Speaker 5: And then I was just in like some room and
Speaker 5: there was like two people in there and I tried
Speaker 5: to go talk to them and they wouldn't like give
Speaker 5: me any attention. And then there was a doorway, so
Speaker 5: I went through that doorway and I was some some
Speaker 5: other room that was filled with like a fog or
Speaker 5: mist or something, and I saw like two great alien
Speaker 5: heads floating above the mist, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: it was just like blacked out. And then I was
Speaker 5: like I knew I was back in my body. And
Speaker 5: then I got dragged again and I so I'm just
Speaker 5: like freaking out because I was like, what the hell
Speaker 5: is going on? That was freaking terrifying. And then I
Speaker 5: don't know like if this was to like try to
Speaker 5: calm me down or what. I ended up in just
Speaker 5: like some house and there was a like a party
Speaker 5: going on. There was a bunch of food on the
Speaker 5: table and there was some lady. I went up to
Speaker 5: her and she's like, oh, enjoy any of the food,
Speaker 5: eat whatever you want. And there was some fudge dipped oreos.
Speaker 5: I remember because I was like, those look so good
Speaker 5: right now. So I actually ate one and it tasted
Speaker 5: just like eating in real life. What And then yeah,
Speaker 5: like this is the craziest experience, Like I don't even
Speaker 5: know what to make of this at all, whatsoever? Still,
Speaker 5: and then I like snapped back to black again, got
Speaker 5: dragged a third time, and then it got fuzzy. At
Speaker 5: that point in my like the corner of my arm,
Speaker 5: like right here on my elbow started burning really bad,
Speaker 5: and I wasn't sure if it was like how I
Speaker 5: was laying or what was going on. But then at
Speaker 5: that point, like I snapped back to black, and I
Speaker 5: knew I was back in my body, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna open my eyes. And I opened my eyes
Speaker 5: and it was twenty minutes past when the meditation would
Speaker 5: have ended. Was when I opened my eyes. So all
Speaker 5: that happened and in the span of like twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: Wow, I mean, that's that just sounds like duality to me.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: The first experience was just like fucking awesome. You're like,
Speaker 4: what is what is this you're you're you touch the
Speaker 4: slide to see if it's real, and it's almost like
Speaker 4: you're creating this this amazing experience. And then the next time,
Speaker 4: because you're so excited, you're like, let me do that again,
Speaker 4: and it's the most terrifying, you know. So it's like
Speaker 4: both of those things are possible. You know. It's actually
Speaker 4: kind of interesting, you know that you were saying as
Speaker 4: far as like almost falling asleep consciously basically when you
Speaker 4: were getting that electrical feeling like throughout your whole body.
Speaker 4: Was there a sound with that as well?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I didn't have a sound I've heard like other people's
Speaker 5: experience still here, like a really loud pop, like almost
Speaker 5: like a gunshot or something going off. But I didn't
Speaker 5: experience any sound when I had that.
Speaker 4: Okay, so when you start to see through your eyelids, though,
Speaker 4: just stay locked in because every time that because that's
Speaker 4: happened to me a few times, and when it happens,
Speaker 4: I kinda I kind of get like a astonished, you know,
Speaker 4: and then it just fades away and it's like ah,
Speaker 4: and so I try to do it again, you know,
Speaker 4: But that is crazy. It almost seems like the first
Speaker 4: experience was more of a conscious experience, something that you
Speaker 4: were in control of, right the the you and then
Speaker 4: the the other experience, the more scary experience maybe was
Speaker 4: was your subconscious kind of taking the taking the wheel,
Speaker 4: you know, it kind of along for the right. I
Speaker 4: don't know, but why would it be such a such
Speaker 4: a start, you know?
Speaker 5: So I was I was when I first had it happen,
Speaker 5: Like I was thinking it was basically them installing like
Speaker 5: a block because the amount of fear I had after
Speaker 5: that experience, I couldn't even meditate for like weeks afterwards,
Speaker 5: Like it was terrifying.
Speaker 2: I know, the feeling it's it's now been.
Speaker 5: A year and I'm finally at the point where like
Speaker 5: I feel like I could try to go out of
Speaker 5: body again. So it was kind of like a block,
Speaker 5: I feel like, or the crazy thing too, Like I
Speaker 5: started learning about abductions afterwards, and I was listening to
Speaker 5: John Max's Abduction and just listening to people's experiences, and
Speaker 5: I had the thought that maybe all abductions aren't physical,
Speaker 5: Like maybe you can be astrally abducted and like have
Speaker 5: work done on you, ye, And maybe that's like I
Speaker 5: don't I've talked to other experiencers, I'd like the whole
Speaker 5: abduction thing, I don't I don't know how to feel about.
Speaker 5: I don't like consider myself being abducted or anything like that.
Speaker 5: But just like talking to other experiencers, they say that
Speaker 5: my memories of that sound a lot like screener memories
Speaker 5: that would be like implanted in there to like try
Speaker 5: to calm me down after the crazy experience.
Speaker 4: But yeah, who knows, I mean, how could you know, right?
Speaker 4: But yeah, I know it's like the same as you
Speaker 4: as far as that goes, Like most auctions, a kind
Speaker 4: of of that that state of mind that you can
Speaker 4: get yourself into, you know, and that's when something is possible.
Speaker 4: Not to say that there isn't something out there that's
Speaker 4: doing it, but that's when you would experience it. They
Speaker 4: kind of meet you there on that that wavelength.
Speaker 1: Well, you think if you think about it, like if
Speaker 1: it's just taking you whatever you identify as, you know,
Speaker 1: do you identify as your body that you are a
Speaker 1: human and and you know, whenever I die whatever, right,
Speaker 1: or do you identify yourself as the consciousness that that
Speaker 1: almost lives forever that it can get out of body?
Speaker 1: Maybe you've had, you know, weird meditations or psychedelic experiences
Speaker 1: where you have been able to you know, kind of
Speaker 1: get into some kind of outer body phase, right, And
Speaker 1: so you know, and we've heard of, you know, wild
Speaker 1: abduction stories too. There's there's one that's super crazy out there.
Speaker 1: We had this lady on her name was Karen Wilkerson,
Speaker 1: and she wrote a book on on this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff about how she was abducted, like dude, like hundreds
Speaker 1: or thousands of times, and it was always during during
Speaker 1: her sleep, Like she would go to sleep, she'd be
Speaker 1: sleeping right next to her husband, and the same thing
Speaker 1: almost every single night. She said that they were coming
Speaker 1: and getting her and bringing her to like what was that,
Speaker 1: like this underground tunnel and like into like this weird
Speaker 1: demonic layer where they would basically impregnate her and then
Speaker 1: they would I guess take her baby away from her
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, and she I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I Whenever I hear something like that,
Speaker 1: I try and make sense of it because I first thing,
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is discredit somebody's
Speaker 1: experience because I wasn't there, and we're never going to
Speaker 1: experience everything not in this lifetime, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so if what she's saying that her experience was absolutely real,
Speaker 1: how was it real? And what way can my mind
Speaker 1: wrap itself around that? And I would just say that
Speaker 1: if look, if there's amazing experiences that people are having,
Speaker 1: you know, in these altered states, then of course it's
Speaker 1: going to be a dualistic kind of thing that's going
Speaker 1: to happen. There's going to be some that are awesome,
Speaker 1: there's going to be some that you know, are not preferable,
Speaker 1: you know, And so why wouldn't it happen. It's all
Speaker 1: just experience at that point, and you know, and especially
Speaker 1: taking a ride with your conscious with your consciousness is
Speaker 1: I mean, there are no bounds, there's no limits as
Speaker 1: to what can happen. But what does seem to happen
Speaker 1: is that it almost feeds off of your like state,
Speaker 1: your vibrational state, whatever your frequency is. It almost matches
Speaker 1: to whatever you're about to experience.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Me and John we had a crazy psychedelic experience, like
Speaker 1: not even a month ago, and I was in an absolute,
Speaker 1: like crazy amount of fear, the most fear I've ever
Speaker 1: had in my entire life, Like I would imagine if
Speaker 1: Sean wasn't there, I would have died like straight up
Speaker 1: heart attack paralysis. I would probably just be a straight
Speaker 1: up vegetable like that, honestly, Like that's how I think
Speaker 1: about it. And like it was crippling fear, you know.
Speaker 1: And and of course to match with that, what I
Speaker 1: was seeing was more crippling fearful things that you know,
Speaker 1: align with what the frequency was that I was giving off.
Speaker 1: Now what came first, the chicken or the egg? I
Speaker 1: don't remember, you know, Like at first, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of weird with it, dude. Whenever I see Sean
Speaker 1: starting to trip and I'm not there yet, I almost
Speaker 1: try to psych myself out and make myself trip a
Speaker 1: little bit more, you know, like in a weird, sick,
Speaker 1: kind of delusional kind of way, thinking that it's not
Speaker 1: going to work on me, but then it works to
Speaker 1: my disadvantage, you know. So the mind is a really
Speaker 1: really strange place to be in and and and as
Speaker 1: far as like the frequency that you're giving off, it
Speaker 1: is crazy about how whenever you're sad or you're angry,
Speaker 1: you're happy, or you're in love or you're whatever, every
Speaker 1: single thing around you matches that frequency. It seems like
Speaker 1: right like some kind of matrix kind of thing is
Speaker 1: going on, and it is absolutely feeding off of what
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 5: Definitely it's crazy. The crazy thing is I wouldn't have
Speaker 5: believed that just a couple of years ago, But now,
Speaker 5: like every day, like i quit my job back in
Speaker 5: July and I'm now going to school full time. And
Speaker 5: I was at my job for eight years. I was
Speaker 5: completely miserable and just so ready for a lifestyle change.
Speaker 5: And now every day when I'm driving to school, I
Speaker 5: just list off everything I'm grateful for. I'm so thankful
Speaker 5: for everything I have. Like I say, money is attracted
Speaker 5: to me, comes from me easily, abundance flows through my life.
Speaker 5: I'm filled with love and happiness. And then the crazy
Speaker 5: thing is, I was working that whole time. My bank
Speaker 5: account was like draining and like stuck at this level.
Speaker 5: I quit my job, and now like my bank account's grown,
Speaker 5: I'm so much happier and like free to do these things.
Speaker 5: And it's really I just realized it's me saying these
Speaker 5: things every day, Like you really do create your reality,
Speaker 5: and it's like you're saying like whatever you're feeling and
Speaker 5: putting out, that's what you're getting back. So when you
Speaker 5: are stuck in that fear and that like negative just
Speaker 5: lifestyle and just feeling whack, like we like to latch
Speaker 5: onto that so much, but when you finally let go
Speaker 5: and just open up like abundance into your life, like
Speaker 5: it's crazy what happens.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we were just talking recently and I was trying
Speaker 4: to come up with, you know, just on the spot,
Speaker 4: like what is it that that needs to be done,
Speaker 4: How is it that how can we get everybody kind
Speaker 4: of together into just more understanding and more you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, just the understanding that we are kind of one,
Speaker 4: you know, one thing and we're all just trying to
Speaker 4: get along here. And I think that's what it is, man,
Speaker 4: you were saying earlier, as far as you know, we're
Speaker 4: vocabulary and label you know, kind of getting in the way.
Speaker 4: But one thing that we can agree on is a feeling,
Speaker 4: you know, And so everybody kind of you know, picked
Speaker 4: their vibration up and was able to pick up on
Speaker 4: how someone else was feeling, then there's no words that
Speaker 4: would need to be used that would be that would
Speaker 4: get in the way, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 4: so if we all just had that understanding, and we
Speaker 4: were all just grateful, and we were all just you know,
Speaker 4: compassionate and and you know, you don't want to see
Speaker 4: somebody in pain, and so you're going to try to
Speaker 4: help them if you see that they are they are hurting,
Speaker 4: you know, And I think that's what it is. Man.
Speaker 4: It's just I feel like it's a long road, but
Speaker 4: I feel like it's at least we're on that road.
Speaker 5: And then with like the telepathy tapes coming out, like
Speaker 5: it seems like we are possibly on the path to
Speaker 5: changing that communication to be able to not be limited
Speaker 5: by words anymore. Like when you tell someone the word Christmas,
Speaker 5: like they're going to picture just like one thing, but
Speaker 5: they're not going to get that whole feeling of like everything,
Speaker 5: like the entire experience and everything you're feeling within yourself.
Speaker 5: So when we get to that point of being able
Speaker 5: to communicate like sending feelings like that, I think there's
Speaker 5: going to be a lot less misunderstanding. And like myself,
Speaker 5: I hate speaking, like public speaking like anything like that,
Speaker 5: Like I didn't I don't like speaking, So it's kind
Speaker 5: of makes sense like hearing these kids talk about they
Speaker 5: don't like speaking and it feels like our way we're
Speaker 5: supposed to be communicating is the way they're communicating, Like
Speaker 5: we're supposed to be communicating telepathically them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it's the harder way to communicate.
Speaker 2: Is to say, yeah, it's not very efficient.
Speaker 6: And I learned that whenever I had my my experiences.
Speaker 6: What that's what they did for me with my guides.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've got four years almost now worth of
Speaker 6: transcripts of telepathic communication with my guides that I say
Speaker 6: it all out loud as they're saying it to me,
Speaker 6: and then transcribe it all into text. And when it
Speaker 6: first happened and I heard them, it's it's not like
Speaker 6: a channeling thing. It's like direct conversation back and forth
Speaker 6: like this. And that's what proved me that telepathy is real.
Speaker 6: I'm like, it's not coming for me, and I know
Speaker 6: it's not them. And then that's how I was able
Speaker 6: to confirm the things that I was seeing in the
Speaker 6: sky after the fact from them and in real time,
Speaker 6: like I mean, I've gone out asked them like the
Speaker 6: telepathy was first, and then the sky things were second,
Speaker 6: and then I would say, hey, was that y'all? And
Speaker 6: then they would say yes it was or I would
Speaker 6: go out ask them and then they'd show up immediately
Speaker 6: afterwards on video. So it's like for me, it's a
Speaker 6: it's a personal thing, you know, and it's for others
Speaker 6: like obviously it's connecting those dots and then do you
Speaker 6: believe it or not? But I've got the luxury of
Speaker 6: personal experience and no question and I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: It is crazy. And that's what like people are so
Speaker 5: quick to like bash someone and like I'm not saying
Speaker 5: it's not crazy, Like you don't think that. I think
Speaker 5: this is crazy that I'm going on recording like orbs
Speaker 5: in the sky and posting these videos. Like my wife
Speaker 5: thinks I'm insane, Like she's like, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 5: Like what the hell? Like you and were not into
Speaker 5: any of this stuff, and it was just I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's like that telepathic download, Like I'm just driven to
Speaker 5: like I need to teach people this information. I need
Speaker 5: to show them that there's so much more out there
Speaker 5: than what we've been led to believe.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, And I asked I had to explain the
Speaker 6: stuff that was going on with my guides and stuff
Speaker 6: to my friends and family because it was like it's
Speaker 6: pretty profound shit, honestly, and until has continued since then,
Speaker 6: but uh, I asked them. I was like, Hey, is
Speaker 6: there anything that like y'all can do in like real
Speaker 6: life that's tangible for the people around me that they
Speaker 6: can see with their own eyes to like help corroborate
Speaker 6: the stuff that I'm that y'all are telling me that
Speaker 6: I'm sharing with them, Like, and that's whenever the ORBS
Speaker 6: starts showing up and you know, just all that that
Speaker 6: I see you that video that that was all the
Speaker 6: best ones or whatever. But like ever, I was like,
Speaker 6: I need some help because it's just my word to
Speaker 6: them at this point, and ever since then, everyone around
Speaker 6: me sees them. It's just understood. Like my friends are
Speaker 6: looking up and seeing them before me. Now whenever we're
Speaker 6: going out and it's just now it's like, hey, they're
Speaker 6: at the.
Speaker 2: Party kind of thing and everybody.
Speaker 6: It's become a fun thing for everyone, and you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's been.
Speaker 1: Really cool and it seems like they get down at
Speaker 1: raves too, which is pretty sweet. Yeah, So justin I
Speaker 1: do want to ask you you you talk about how
Speaker 1: you go outside and you almost like you're praying. Is
Speaker 1: that are you going out there in uh like kind
Speaker 1: of like a CE five kind of fashion.
Speaker 5: So I've actually I've tried CE five, Like I've downloaded
Speaker 5: the app and everything. I only did that like maybe
Speaker 5: like three or four times in the of the God.
Speaker 5: That was like probably last year. Like I tried it out.
Speaker 5: For the most part, I just go out and I
Speaker 5: just like, you know, I just kind of have like
Speaker 5: a heart to heart with the sky and just like
Speaker 5: reflect on my day and like ask for Like in
Speaker 5: the beginning, I was really asking for knowledge and like
Speaker 5: like what's going on? And when I first started to
Speaker 5: get into the topic, I was like nuts and bolts
Speaker 5: and I was very like this a secret military or
Speaker 5: something like that. And I was going out praying, asking
Speaker 5: for knowledge. And then like I found Chris Bloodsoe and
Speaker 5: then I started listening to Bloodsoe said so, and that's
Speaker 5: when I learned about like all these ancient estheteric teachings
Speaker 5: and realized, like here's the knowledge I was asking for,
Speaker 5: Like this has been here the whole time, and yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just has evolved over time to get to this
Speaker 5: spiritual point that I'm at now, but yeah, sorry, I
Speaker 5: kind of completely forgot what you asked me.
Speaker 1: No, you were just talking about like going out there
Speaker 1: and basically talking to the sky and kind of running
Speaker 1: through your your day a little bit, and so just
Speaker 1: out of curiosity. Whenever you do go out there and
Speaker 1: you do do that, do you do you go with
Speaker 1: the expectation that if you do that, then they will
Speaker 1: come almost like a field of dreams kind of situation
Speaker 1: or like what are your thoughts whenever you're out there
Speaker 1: right before you you may or may not see them.
Speaker 1: What are you thinking?
Speaker 5: So I'm always hopeful that I'll see something, but I
Speaker 5: try to like set my expectations that if I don't
Speaker 5: see anything, that's fine, Like I just want to go
Speaker 5: out and connect with natures, look at the stars, like
Speaker 5: that's beautiful enough as it is, and then I will
Speaker 5: like send out the invite basically like if you're willing,
Speaker 5: I would love to be able to record whatever phenomenon
Speaker 5: you're willing to show me. And then I ask, please
Speaker 5: if you could fly through where my camera is pointed,
Speaker 5: which seems to help a lot because I've recorded a
Speaker 5: lot of stuff and it is crazy, like most things
Speaker 5: I see pretty much is where my camera's pointed.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just ask for their help basically, like
Speaker 5: please show me anything you'd like to show everyone to
Speaker 5: help make them aware that you're out there.
Speaker 1: Does it feel like a summoning kind of thing going on?
Speaker 5: So I don't like internally really feel anything like Chris
Speaker 5: Bloodsoe talks like he can feel when they're there. It's
Speaker 5: more just like I ask for something and then it happens,
Speaker 5: and I'm just like blown away that like it happens
Speaker 5: like the last event I did. The night started out.
Speaker 5: So the first two events we did, the weather was
Speaker 5: absolutely terrible. It was horrible, and we still recorded amazing things.
Speaker 5: In the third event, we finally got clear skies and
Speaker 5: there was a family who drove up from Colorado Springs,
Speaker 5: so they drove like three hours to come hang out
Speaker 5: with us because they wanted to see the orbs so bad.
Speaker 5: And the first thing we saw like right at like
Speaker 5: I think it was six or six point thirty, where
Speaker 5: two orbs side by side flying really fast like across
Speaker 5: the sky. And I told him, I'm like, this is
Speaker 5: rare for me to see. I've only seen this maybe
Speaker 5: four or five times in the last two years. And
Speaker 5: then it was like an hour later I was recording
Speaker 5: the video and I was just like because the video
Speaker 5: I got was not good. It was still twilight, like
Speaker 5: it was really noisy and grainy in the video you
Speaker 5: couldn't see it. And later I was like, man, I
Speaker 5: really wish we could get two orbs side by side
Speaker 5: like we did earlier. And literally fifty seconds later, like
Speaker 5: I left the raw video with the time in there,
Speaker 5: two giant orbs showed up and my friend's like, dude,
Speaker 5: like look at this, and they were the biggest thing
Speaker 5: in the sky. They were bigger than any star planet
Speaker 5: you could possibly see, and they were just both side
Speaker 5: by side right there for me to look at it. And
Speaker 5: I was just like blown away, like holy shit, Like
Speaker 5: did I just like manifest these? Like it literally did
Speaker 5: what I asked within a minute, which is insane, Like
Speaker 5: I don't know what to make of that.
Speaker 1: I would imagine it almost feels like like you're becoming
Speaker 1: Lucid in the dream, you know, like you ever had
Speaker 1: like a Lucid dream and you're like, oh, I this
Speaker 1: is a dream. I can do whatever I want if
Speaker 1: I want to, And one of my favorite things to
Speaker 1: do is like, pretend that I have like the remote
Speaker 1: from Click the Adam Sandler movie, and I'll just like
Speaker 1: pause and fast forward and you know, just manipulate reality
Speaker 1: in that way. Or maybe hey, I just feel like flying.
Speaker 1: I want to go up there and fly. And so
Speaker 1: whenever you see something like this and you go outside
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, it'd be really awesome if
Speaker 1: I could just see some kind of manifested physical phenomena
Speaker 1: that I could see and maybe some of my friends
Speaker 1: could see, and then you see it, it's almost like
Speaker 1: it just reminds me of becoming Lucid in a dream,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: Pretty much?
Speaker 6: Yeah, can I give you something to consider potentially? So
Speaker 6: in my experience, I don't ever I don't ever want
Speaker 6: to tell anyone what to believe or what to think.
Speaker 6: And this is just where my understanding is for me.
Speaker 6: But if you have the assumption that we all have
Speaker 6: guides in some way, right, and some of them can
Speaker 6: be higher dimensional beings who also do have craft, if
Speaker 6: you will your guides at least some of them are
Speaker 6: always with you and they always know what you're thinking,
Speaker 6: and they help manage your incarnation, you know, and all
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff and they can hear you and
Speaker 6: also respond visually to those kinds of things.
Speaker 2: So if if they that's how a lot.
Speaker 4: Of those.
Speaker 6: You know, they know what you're thinking because they're with
Speaker 6: you already anyway in that sense, And typically the people
Speaker 6: that are having the most I guess experience and interactions
Speaker 6: are with their particular like soul family group guide kind.
Speaker 5: Of pod if you will, Yeah, I could. I could
Speaker 5: see that definitely.
Speaker 6: That's just from my side, And it seems to make
Speaker 6: a lot of sense whenever you think about it that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so crazy, like just trying to wrap my
Speaker 1: brain around that, because and I think that whenever, whenever
Speaker 1: you open your mind up to the possibility that your
Speaker 1: guides are right there and they're they're with you all
Speaker 1: the time, and maybe they're the ones that are almost
Speaker 1: allowing you to see what you see, Like what do
Speaker 1: you think is going on? Like do you think that
Speaker 1: that's like are they almost What are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: you before we even go that deep, like what are
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on your guides in the first place?
Speaker 1: Like because I heard you mentioned them earlier, Like do
Speaker 1: you ever get any kind of like do you ever
Speaker 1: see any kind of physical emanation of them or is
Speaker 1: it more of like a an internal knowing or whatever,
Speaker 1: like what is really going on with your guides in particular?
Speaker 5: All Right, So I didn't really like believe in guides
Speaker 5: really too much until recently and really like creating my
Speaker 5: shamanism videos, like I realized really that I've like we
Speaker 5: all have guides in they're around us all the time,
Speaker 5: and I love getting out of nature and hiking. And
Speaker 5: this summer I had a couple of hiking experiences where
Speaker 5: I got it was the middle of the day in
Speaker 5: the middle of summer, and there was a deer just
Speaker 5: crossing the path right in front of me, and it
Speaker 5: was so cool. So I like got on video. And
Speaker 5: then not even three days later, I went and did
Speaker 5: a different hike in a different town, like forty five
Speaker 5: miles away from our I was middle of the day again,
Speaker 5: had another deer just right off the trail that I was
Speaker 5: able to like interact with, and so that's when I
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, maybe like guides present themselves in animals
Speaker 5: and things like that. So that's like the first time
Speaker 5: I've ever really even like looked up like you know,
Speaker 5: shamanic meaning of seeing a deer or anything like that.
Speaker 5: And it was crazy because the description was like exactly
Speaker 5: what I'm going through creating this channel. It's like connecting
Speaker 5: the spiritual and like the natural world and like all
Speaker 5: these different things. And then I just went and did
Speaker 5: another hike like a month or so ago, and the
Speaker 5: way my hikes started out, which was crazy. So I
Speaker 5: was supposed to have class that day, but I got
Speaker 5: canceled because my professor had to attend a funeral. And
Speaker 5: I just found out, like a day or two before that,
Speaker 5: my friend's grandfather had passed. She like sent me a message.
Speaker 5: So I was like thinking about death and stuff, but
Speaker 5: I was excited to go do this hike. And I
Speaker 5: drove out to do the hike, and the first thing
Speaker 5: I saw when I got to the trailhead and got
Speaker 5: in my car was like a thirteen year old boy
Speaker 5: carrying a dead deer on his shoulders to his truck.
Speaker 5: And that's like what cemented it in for me, Like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: this is how guides communicated. They can communicate through all
Speaker 5: kinds of different ways, but like through animals is a
Speaker 5: really common way. They also communicate through the orbs, like
Speaker 5: I think when they're flashing and doing all those kinds
Speaker 5: of things, Like I think that is communication. Like I
Speaker 5: may not understand it like right now, but like subconsciously,
Speaker 5: I'm sure that's like receiving some kind of information or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they orchestrate scenarios. Yeah, that's the way I've
Speaker 2: kind of come to understand it.
Speaker 6: It's like it's like higher dimensional scenario orchestration.
Speaker 2: For meaning and like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: It's just it's it's high level shit, and it's crazy
Speaker 6: when you start to notice the wild this.
Speaker 1: Is fifth dimensional shit we're talking about right here.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, and that's crazy because like you know, you
Speaker 5: have all these experiences throughout your life, and you'll have
Speaker 5: like something weird happen. You're like, oh, that's weird, and
Speaker 5: then you don't think about it for a really long time,
Speaker 5: and then you'll have some other weird experience happened that
Speaker 5: next sit back to that experience you haven't thought about
Speaker 5: in forever. And that's also what happened on that hike.
Speaker 5: So I got to the top of the rock and
Speaker 5: I set up my camera on me like recording while
Speaker 5: I did a meditation, and I had the thought, like
Speaker 5: I set up my tripod, had it fully extended. I
Speaker 5: was like, this is probably a stupid idea, but I'm
Speaker 5: going to do it. Anyways, did my meditation, and right
Speaker 5: when I was wrapping up my meditation, I felt a
Speaker 5: little gust of wind on my back and I like
Speaker 5: wrapped up my meditation, turned around and saw my tripod
Speaker 5: had blown over. But right when I did that, there
Speaker 5: was an all black squirrel that I've never seen an
Speaker 5: all black squirrel, But there was an all black squirrel
Speaker 5: just like twelve feet away from me, and like I
Speaker 5: rushed down. I found my phone and luckily my camera
Speaker 5: wasn't broken. I was able to get a video of it,
Speaker 5: and it made me remember back in twenty sixteen when
Speaker 5: I separated from the Air Force. Three months afterwards, I
Speaker 5: was at a park in Rapid City in South Dakota,
Speaker 5: where I lived, and there was an albino squirrel there
Speaker 5: that I photographed. So it just like flashed in my head,
Speaker 5: like what the heck like of all the animals to
Speaker 5: see albino and all black like a squirrel like right here? Yeah,
Speaker 5: And then it was both times, just like a couple
Speaker 5: months after like major changes in my life, like three
Speaker 5: months after separating from the Air Force, and then I
Speaker 5: just saw the all black squirrel. It was like almost
Speaker 5: exactly four months after I quit my job and went
Speaker 5: back to school full times. So it made me realize
Speaker 5: like it was the changing of like a season, and
Speaker 5: it seemed like it was like the ending of a
Speaker 5: cycle in the starting of a news cycle. And it
Speaker 5: also brought me to that message of duality like you
Speaker 5: were talking about earlier, like the light in the dark
Speaker 5: yin Yang, like the yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy how that stuff can just kind of
Speaker 1: show up symbolically in your life. And you know that,
Speaker 1: whether whether you see it in the form of synchronicity
Speaker 1: or message or you know whatever from your guides or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like that shouldn't be happening in the world we
Speaker 1: thought we knew when we were growing up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, if everything really is just physical
Speaker 1: and material, then why is it that these things are
Speaker 1: occurring at a mathematically impossible rate, you know, like and
Speaker 1: it is is it just our consciousness that is connecting
Speaker 1: to the rest of the one conscious or God or
Speaker 1: source or whatever you want to call it, right, Like,
Speaker 1: are we kind of integrating even farther into working congruently
Speaker 1: alongside you know, whatever the rest of source is or
Speaker 1: or God is or whatever. You know, it's almost like
Speaker 1: getting into that flow state to where these things are
Speaker 1: starting to happen a little bit more. And I almost wonder,
Speaker 1: I used to wonder, I don't want anymore. I'd like
Speaker 1: it did did these things used to? Is this a
Speaker 1: new occurrence? You know, like or has this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff been happening our whole lives? But we only just
Speaker 1: now like kind of become privy to it once you
Speaker 1: you know, raise your awareness a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: like have you ever thought something like that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely think we get the blinders put on.
Speaker 5: And it's not really our fault either. It's the way
Speaker 5: society is structured right now. Like you're grow you grow up,
Speaker 5: and you're told you have to get a job and
Speaker 5: you have to do all these things, and that takes
Speaker 5: away that childlike wonder that we have when we're little.
Speaker 5: And like going back to the phenomenon too, like they
Speaker 5: love when you act like a child and get excited
Speaker 5: and like have that like curiosity and everything like that.
Speaker 5: And that's something that I was missing in my life
Speaker 5: that was basically beaten out of me throughout, like my
Speaker 5: twenties and the start of my.
Speaker 1: Thirties, loads of people missing out on that, dude, Like
Speaker 1: you just see like people are just living in black
Speaker 1: and white, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And it made me like stop and like realize
Speaker 5: that I was missing that from my life and trying
Speaker 5: to reintegrate and bring back in like that childlike wonder really,
Speaker 5: And I think that's another reason why the phenomenon showing
Speaker 5: up is like they're trying to help us remember who
Speaker 5: we truly are, and we're not what society has created
Speaker 5: right now, Like we're supposed to be out experiencing this
Speaker 5: beautiful planet we're on, and we're all just stuck working
Speaker 5: nine to five and under crushing debt where you're told
Speaker 5: the American dream is to you know, rack up a
Speaker 5: half million dollars in debt and work the rest of
Speaker 5: your life. And I think people are realizing that that's
Speaker 5: not the way that we're supposed to be living.
Speaker 1: No, as a matter of fact, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: quick way to die. I think. Yeah, you know, in
Speaker 1: such a shame that you know, to to be on
Speaker 1: the hamster whill your entire life and not even know
Speaker 1: that you're on it, not even know that you can
Speaker 1: get off, you know, because it's always just a state
Speaker 1: of fear that well, what you know, if if I
Speaker 1: if I quit my job that I hate but it
Speaker 1: pays the bills, then my kids are gonna starve or
Speaker 1: something along those lines. And so now you're almost working
Speaker 1: out of fear, you know, you're working out of obligation.
Speaker 1: And you know, if we only just and it's easier
Speaker 1: said than done. Like I don't say any of these
Speaker 1: things very lightly. Like I know what it's like to
Speaker 1: to hustle and bustle and put my head down and
Speaker 1: my feet in the dirt and and and really just grind.
Speaker 1: I understand that life, you know, and and you do
Speaker 1: have to do it for for a period of time,
Speaker 1: but you have to have a goal in mind, Like
Speaker 1: if you don't have that carrot at the end of
Speaker 1: the stick, otherwise you're just trudging along and you're enslaving yourself,
Speaker 1: is really what's going on? And and what better way
Speaker 1: to pull your your your own self out of that
Speaker 1: spiritual flow and out of that childlike wonder and curiosity
Speaker 1: that whenever somebody does start talking about aliens and orbs
Speaker 1: and light beings and shifting dimensions, and all these things.
Speaker 1: You just look at them like you just don't get it.
Speaker 1: I just go clock into work and it's like, man,
Speaker 1: you are so caught into it, you know, and it's unfortunate,
Speaker 1: but you don't really hold it up against anybody, you know,
Speaker 1: because for the longest time, we thought that same exact way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's how the planet's being run right now.
Speaker 5: Like it's really hard to escape that, especially in like
Speaker 5: Western society, where we're taught all these different things and
Speaker 5: we're not really taught about like the like the rest
Speaker 5: of the planet, like the East and everything. They still
Speaker 5: believe that shamans are doing these things like connecting with
Speaker 5: the spirit and bringing back knowledge and wisdom and doing
Speaker 5: all these profound healing things that are helping the community.
Speaker 5: And then over here in the West, we're like, no,
Speaker 5: you need to go to the doctor and get pharmaceuticals
Speaker 5: and take this pill for the rest of your life.
Speaker 5: And oh yeah, and that's if I was brainwashed too.
Speaker 5: Like it's so crazy how quickly they can change an
Speaker 5: entire like belief around something like the fact that the
Speaker 5: psych psychedelics were made illegal in what the sixties, and
Speaker 5: then so our parents growing up with like the stigma
Speaker 5: of yeah, these things are horrible, and then me going
Speaker 5: through dare in school and this will melt your brain,
Speaker 5: and like I believed all that stuff. It terrified me.
Speaker 5: And then when I became an adult and I fucking
Speaker 5: smoked pot for the first time, I was like, this,
Speaker 5: this is what the big deal was about. And then
Speaker 5: I had mushrooms and then like really blew my mind
Speaker 5: open and realized, oh they're illegal because it would bring
Speaker 5: us all together and realize that the way we're living
Speaker 5: needs to change and we are all one and we
Speaker 5: are all connected and it's not this material ego world
Speaker 5: that we're living in.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, dude, there's there's one thing is for sure. If
Speaker 4: you have a healthy dose of mushrooms, that's the one
Speaker 4: thing that will really show you like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: a spiritual realm, you know what I mean. We just
Speaker 4: get to like be here and experience it, you know.
Speaker 4: And and going back to the the synchronicity conversation, I
Speaker 4: feel like, may before you you notice these things, right,
Speaker 4: like things were just happening, so they wouldn't necessarily even
Speaker 4: be synchronicities because they would have no purpose, they would
Speaker 4: have no and for you to notice it in the
Speaker 4: first place. But then once you once you kind of
Speaker 4: see the crack in the veil, and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden you feel this this higher calling as far
Speaker 4: as like what can I do to help? You? Know,
Speaker 4: you want to be able to help people, And and
Speaker 4: then so now you have a purpose. You know, you've
Speaker 4: given yourself a purpose. And so now you're literally able
Speaker 4: to translate the language, so to speak, of the earth,
Speaker 4: and it's co creating with you. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you've ever read the book, but we read the book
Speaker 4: The Alchemist, and if you haven't read that, give it
Speaker 4: a read, because in that book he's talking about trying
Speaker 4: to understand the language of the Earth. And the first
Speaker 4: time we kind of went over that, I was like,
Speaker 4: it was kind of a little bit confusing, you know,
Speaker 4: But then you start to understand more things than you
Speaker 4: talk about synchronicities and you see a cardinal or you
Speaker 4: see some bug that's supposed to be good luck and
Speaker 4: it's right above your door on a day that just
Speaker 4: so happens to be a day that you're really hoping
Speaker 4: everything goes well right, and so it's like the language
Speaker 4: between you and the earth is totally unique. You know,
Speaker 4: the language between you and everything around you is totally
Speaker 4: unique to the language and how I would experience things
Speaker 4: around me. And so whenever someone comes to you and says, well,
Speaker 4: what does it mean when you see a cardinal, It's like, well,
Speaker 4: just ask them what is it mean to you? You know,
Speaker 4: because that's what matters.
Speaker 1: So beautifully said sir, Yeah, I dude, Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: We're living in a magical realm. There's absolutely no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. And you know, whether this is a training
Speaker 1: wheels realm or if this is a realm for you know,
Speaker 1: the spiritual gangsters that think that we can handle it.
Speaker 1: Whatever the case may be, I'm here for it. It's
Speaker 1: a fun time. I do want to ask you, though,
Speaker 1: justin have you ever had a past life regression?
Speaker 5: I am not so going back to that whole like
Speaker 5: experience I had with not sharing abduction or whatever that happened.
Speaker 5: I was like, do I want to like do a
Speaker 5: hypnotic regression and possibly like open the can of worms,
Speaker 5: or do I just kind of like what the experience be.
Speaker 5: I am interested though, Like I am curious. I would
Speaker 5: like to know like what happened or like past life regressions.
Speaker 5: I'd love to know like what I've experienced as a
Speaker 5: soul journey and through existence.
Speaker 1: Well, because we live in a simulation, you just so
Speaker 1: happen to be talking to somebody that's willing to give
Speaker 1: you one for free, sir. I would just love to
Speaker 1: give you a past life regression and see what is
Speaker 1: going on. We don't necessarily have to go to a
Speaker 1: specific place. We can keep it very whatever happens happens
Speaker 1: kind of thing, dude. But I just you know, with
Speaker 1: everything that you've been experiencing, you know, and and you
Speaker 1: know I've I've given a past life regression to Sean,
Speaker 1: I've given well, I've given a couple of them to Shawn.
Speaker 1: I gave one to Electro Nick one time, and both
Speaker 1: very very eye opening, you know. And and it makes
Speaker 1: the things that seem difficult to understand like easily digestible,
Speaker 1: you know. It is it breaks it down in such
Speaker 1: a way to where you aren't necessarily questioning what you're experiencing.
Speaker 1: You have more of an open open way of interpreting
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're seeing and experiencing and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Because what's great about it is is that
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a Dolores Cannon. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's the kind of past life aggression that I
Speaker 1: do if if that's anything that you'd be interested in.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, so she you know, she did the
Speaker 1: past life regressions and stuff like that. But then right
Speaker 1: after there's usually questions that you would have to ask
Speaker 1: your higher self or your guides or whoever it is
Speaker 1: that is kind of overseeing the life, that is, you know,
Speaker 1: the physical embodiment of justin right, and so these are
Speaker 1: questions that you don't think that you have access to,
Speaker 1: but you want to try and put it in their
Speaker 1: hands and kind of pull down information from that different perspective.
Speaker 1: And every single time we do something like that, it
Speaker 1: is like mind blowing how easily the answers come in,
Speaker 1: like answers that you wouldn't in a million years think
Speaker 1: that you would ever have access to, and they are
Speaker 1: just so there, so easy, so amazing, And really that's
Speaker 1: the best part of a past life regression is those
Speaker 1: questions that you would ask after the past life regression.
Speaker 1: So I would love to be able to hook you
Speaker 1: up with one of those, just with all the crazy
Speaker 1: stuff that you're experiencing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, I would love to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, ten out of ten would recommend sure.
Speaker 4: In one of my regressions, I was literally an orb,
Speaker 4: Like my purpose was to allow people to like have
Speaker 4: people see me so that they would know that there's
Speaker 4: something more so just like interesting stuff like that. Who
Speaker 4: knows where you'll end up, you know, Yeah, but it's
Speaker 4: gonna be interesting a great well.
Speaker 1: And it's good to go in without a projection, like
Speaker 1: don't go in with any preconceived notions or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Almost like my favorite tarot card is the hanged Man.
Speaker 1: Just go in there and let go. Whatever happens happens, like,
Speaker 1: don't try and forecast it or don't try and think, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what's going to happen. If you go into
Speaker 1: it completely open minded, that is the best way to
Speaker 1: have your mind blown every single time. And and I've
Speaker 1: been I've been pushing it off, but I'm getting it
Speaker 1: set up to where in January. The guy that convinced
Speaker 1: me to learn past live regressions, his name's John mcclucky's
Speaker 1: out of Australia. He was one of the very first
Speaker 1: I think he actually was the very first person I
Speaker 1: ever interviewed on any podcast ever and he because I
Speaker 1: was so fascinated with the whole idea of in concept
Speaker 1: of past life regressions and stuff, and I kept on
Speaker 1: having them on and I was always having these questions
Speaker 1: and everything, and he was like, dude, fucking just do
Speaker 1: the school like you seem so interested, and why don't
Speaker 1: you just do it? And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. You know, say less if you
Speaker 1: think that I can do it, I'm gonna do it then.
Speaker 1: And so I did it, and I went through the
Speaker 1: whole schooling and everything. Unfortunately, I did it after Dolores
Speaker 1: Cannon had already died, so that's fine. I mean, the dude,
Speaker 1: the schooling was so amazing because you get to see
Speaker 1: like or I was able to see like a bunch
Speaker 1: of never before seeing videos of Dolores Cannon talking and
Speaker 1: teaching about, you know, how to to really to hone
Speaker 1: in on past life aggressions and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: I think that that is the best form of hypnosis
Speaker 1: out there, because you've got a bunch of different hypnosis
Speaker 1: forms like quit smoking or quit drinking or whatever, but
Speaker 1: to be able to go in and see a past
Speaker 1: life and then ask questions to your higher self and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's nothing crazy. If you've never been hypnotized,
Speaker 1: it is very much like a guided meditation, like if
Speaker 1: you've ever done a guided meditation, this is basically what
Speaker 1: it is. It's it's just that it's more specific to you,
Speaker 1: you know, So it's it's really cool. But yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're open to that, I would love to give you one.
Speaker 5: Dude, Yeah for sure, I'm down.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, dude. So this is and I do want
Speaker 1: to say to everybody else out there that is interested
Speaker 1: in a past life regression. If you are interested in that,
Speaker 1: reach out to me at metamistics at yahoo dot com.
Speaker 1: I'm going to start doing the past life regressions probably
Speaker 1: around mid January, and and I actually have a deal
Speaker 1: out there to where if anybody wants to have a
Speaker 1: past life regression and you want the the the hypnosis
Speaker 1: regression to be put up on like as an episode,
Speaker 1: because that's what we we would like to start getting
Speaker 1: back into that again releasing it as an episode, then
Speaker 1: I'll give you a discount. And just because I just
Speaker 1: think that sometimes these things are they're they're specific to you,
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously if there's something that you don't
Speaker 1: want out there or whatever. Then you know, we'll edit
Speaker 1: it out or we won't even have to put it up.
Speaker 1: It's entirely up to you or and everybody else. But
Speaker 1: you know, this kind of stuff is just too damn
Speaker 1: mind boggling just to hoard to ourselves, you know, Like
Speaker 1: that's my favorite part about it. But yeah, dude, anyway,
Speaker 1: I do have Oh you had mentioned this is the
Speaker 1: last question, but you had mentioned something about events. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about these events that
Speaker 1: you're kind of getting together, Like how does that all work?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it kind of just manifested itself, honestly. So
Speaker 5: on TikTok, I was in communication with someone who was
Speaker 5: in Colorado and they were talking about inviting me out
Speaker 5: to their ranch to like SkyWatch, and so we were
Speaker 5: talking for a while and then we kind of just
Speaker 5: like stopped messaging, and then like a year later, they
Speaker 5: messaged me again and they're like, hey, would you be
Speaker 5: interested in doing an event out at their ranch? And
Speaker 5: they live out in None, Colorado. It's about forty five
Speaker 5: minutes from where I'm at in Loveland, and it's out
Speaker 5: in the middle of nowhere, Like they have an eighty
Speaker 5: eight acre, like farm ranch, so it's just completely wide open.
Speaker 5: There's no like hardly any light pollution anything like that.
Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, I'm definitely down. So I
Speaker 5: didn't have to like book an event or anything. She's like, Okay,
Speaker 5: we'll do it this date. At this time, I was like, cool,
Speaker 5: I just got to show up. So that was how
Speaker 5: my first event happened. And so the first one we had,
Speaker 5: the weather was so terrible, like it was thunderstorms. We
Speaker 5: set up, tried to do a meditation outside. The wind
Speaker 5: actually blew my camera over on my tripod, and like
Speaker 5: we had to seek shelter and it was raining, and
Speaker 5: then the sky's finally cleared up, I think at ten PM,
Speaker 5: and that's when I was able to like record that
Speaker 5: like flash of like once you see it, you're forever changed.
Speaker 5: And like I've recorded a huge like shooting star that
Speaker 5: streaked through the middle of the frame and all kinds
Speaker 5: of other orbs, and you know, that like kind of
Speaker 5: resparked my like like interest and wanted me to get
Speaker 5: out because I've been skywashing for two years now and
Speaker 5: it's kind of hard to motivate yourself to keep going
Speaker 5: out night after night, especially in the wintertime when it's
Speaker 5: freezing out there. But yeah, so I went there, had
Speaker 5: that first experience, and then they had such a great
Speaker 5: time that they're like, we want to do another one.
Speaker 5: So a month later we did another one, and yet
Speaker 5: again the weather was absolutely terrible. Completely sky was filled
Speaker 5: with clouds, couldn't see anything except for one little spot
Speaker 5: on the horizon. And this is one of my videos too.
Speaker 5: I recorded like a parade of huge orbs, like just
Speaker 5: for thirty five minutes straight flying from the horizon, and yeah,
Speaker 5: that blew my mind. That was like the one of
Speaker 5: the craziest things I've ever seen. And then we had
Speaker 5: our third event just in Wow, what was that in October?
Speaker 5: And yet again, just every time we have an event,
Speaker 5: it seems to be just some of the craziest things
Speaker 5: I've ever witnessed and recorded. So I think it's just
Speaker 5: the energy of people all focusing their attention. And then
Speaker 5: I also just try to tell everyone, like to send
Speaker 5: out love and be open and like, you know, we're
Speaker 5: trying to connect and not be in fear and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. And I think just setting the right intentions
Speaker 5: and we just have amazing things happen. But we're gonna
Speaker 5: plan on doing more events starting in the springtime when
Speaker 5: it warms up again. So yeah, next year, well we'll
Speaker 5: be doing more events out there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that's out in Colorado, you said, right, yep,
Speaker 1: damn might have to make a trip.
Speaker 4: Sean's so that far away, dude, Like im in Arizona, Arizona.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not too far, yeah, dude. So whenever you're
Speaker 1: talking about, like you're able to see these things in
Speaker 1: basically overcast sky, overcast kind of sky, but then there's
Speaker 1: usually some kind of open area and you're able to
Speaker 1: see like some kind of parade of activity that is
Speaker 1: going on. Is that visible to the naked eye or
Speaker 1: is it mainly through the camera.
Speaker 5: That was visible to naked eye? And it started out
Speaker 5: as like so we were just all a chit chat
Speaker 5: and since the weather was not like ideal, and I
Speaker 5: was looking out toward the horizon and I saw just
Speaker 5: like this orange fireball like kind of like show up
Speaker 5: and then it faded out. I was like, dang, I
Speaker 5: wish I had my camera pointed over there. So I
Speaker 5: went over there, repointed my camera and let everyone else know.
Speaker 5: Because we had like ten people there that like in
Speaker 5: each event We've had at least ten people who have
Speaker 5: witnessed all these things too, so it's not just my
Speaker 5: word for all this or my video evidence. So I
Speaker 5: repointed over there, and I was just like, man, I
Speaker 5: hope like it shows up again, and then just boom
Speaker 5: for thirty five minutes straight, just NonStop like flying and
Speaker 5: getting huge, massive power ups, and they were coming like
Speaker 5: down all different directions, and the direction it was coming from,
Speaker 5: I originally thought it was pointing towards like out towards Cheyenne.
Speaker 5: So I actually just drove to South Cote over Thanksgiving
Speaker 5: break and I realized it was way close than I
Speaker 5: thought it was, So it was probably I think it
Speaker 5: was around like car Colorado, which is maybe like ten
Speaker 5: miles away from where we were at, and there's nothing
Speaker 5: out there, like there's nothing, but yeah, if you check
Speaker 5: out my parade video, I posted the whole like thirty
Speaker 5: five minutes on there. I have sped up equips. I've
Speaker 5: had AI analyze the video, and the explanations they could
Speaker 5: come up with were like a drone swarm, which didn't
Speaker 5: make any sense because they were just like going up
Speaker 5: and then fading and then like military flares. But flayers
Speaker 5: descend down from the sky. They don't ascend upwards. And
Speaker 5: then it was saying, like maybe some military exercise, So
Speaker 5: I looked that up.
Speaker 1: It's always the military exercise, dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was no exercise during that time. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: did have an exercise like a couple of days before,
Speaker 5: but that wrapped up on the eighteenth, and that was
Speaker 5: on the twentieth, and like I was in there for us,
Speaker 5: like usually exercises don't go past the end date. And
Speaker 5: then yeah, like I don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 5: It was crazy, And I actually like did an interview
Speaker 5: with one of the guys, the owners of the ranch
Speaker 5: actually and had him describe what he saw because he
Speaker 5: was looking through the night vision binoculars, him and my friend,
Speaker 5: and they both described that they saw like triangles like
Speaker 5: spinning and like branching off in different directions and all
Speaker 5: kinds of crazy things that I've never seen before.
Speaker 1: And these are happening past twilight time, Like the sun
Speaker 1: is not just now going down, it is hours after that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was at ten thirty.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, like how do you?
Speaker 5: And then there was another weird thing that happened in
Speaker 5: that same area the following morning at one am. Apparently
Speaker 5: there was like a train fire in the same location
Speaker 5: ish of where that was, but this happened at ten thirty,
Speaker 5: So I was like, was there really a fire or
Speaker 5: are they like covering something up, because that's really strange
Speaker 5: that that would happen the same nonetheless, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this guy's just going to start raining down
Speaker 1: boga spears everywhere now, dude, it's just gonna get weird.
Speaker 4: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, just lay one in the bread basket. I'll
Speaker 1: catch it, you know what I mean. Like, so, Sean,
Speaker 1: we have a tarot card here, sir, and.
Speaker 4: I actually pulled two cards and I don't do that
Speaker 4: all the time, but you know what, it's just, you know,
Speaker 4: the moment struck me. So we got the full card
Speaker 4: and the six of Pentacles, the full. It's perfect. I mean,
Speaker 4: we had a full moon tonight. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you guys know that, but it's a legit full moon
Speaker 4: right now, so the end of a cycle, and then
Speaker 4: of course after the end of the cycle, because you know,
Speaker 4: you get the beginning of a cycle.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was hearing something earlier about how this
Speaker 1: type of full moon is like a once in a
Speaker 1: lifetime full moon, and I don't know what the name
Speaker 1: of it was, but I saw that it only happens like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know, like once every thousand years or
Speaker 1: something crazy like this specific type.
Speaker 4: Along with the just the other planetary alignments as well,
Speaker 4: I mean, because we get a full moon every month,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: need to. I just saw it and I didn't read
Speaker 1: into it, you know. It's kind of a lazy moment
Speaker 1: for me, but whatever, but whatever. But anyhow, the Full card,
Speaker 1: so the Full embarks on a new journey, leaving the
Speaker 1: past behind, carrying with him only the lessons learned and
Speaker 1: a curiosity to begin again. Each card carries the energy
Speaker 1: of the ones that come before it, beginning with the Full,
Speaker 1: who carries the energy of the zero, a symbol that
Speaker 1: contains everything and nothing at the same time. The Full
Speaker 1: progresses through the less and events shown by each card
Speaker 1: of the major arcana, growing, experiencing and maturing as his
Speaker 1: consciousness evolves. In the imagery on the Fool's card, you
Speaker 1: see a young person in a floral print tunic. The
Speaker 1: fol looks to the bright yellow sky with the sun
Speaker 1: to his back. And blissfully unaware that he is about
Speaker 1: to walk off of a cliff, carrying only a bindle
Speaker 1: and a white rose. He is innocent and free of
Speaker 1: life's burdens. He's ready to take on whatever may come
Speaker 1: his way, with his arms outstretched, suggesting openness to new
Speaker 1: possibilities without fear of failure. A small dog Prance is
Speaker 1: alongside the full, attempting to alert him of the dangerous
Speaker 1: cliff he is headed toward. This is the path of
Speaker 1: unfolding consciousness, a symbol of the fools of the fool's
Speaker 1: willingness to meet life's challenges in order to make progress.
Speaker 1: Very symbolic card.
Speaker 4: Here, dude, man, I mean you quit your job, you
Speaker 4: started pull You're you know, getting into nature more. You're
Speaker 4: seeing orbs. I mean this card has an ORB and
Speaker 4: he's not even looking at it. You know, you know
Speaker 4: it's there yet. So there's that.
Speaker 1: Damn Yeah, I didn't think about that. So the spiritual
Speaker 1: interpretation it says, take a leap of faith and trust
Speaker 1: that you have the support of the universe. Don't be
Speaker 1: afraid of the unknown. Instead, acknowledge that the lessons you
Speaker 1: encounter will lead to expanded consciousness and unforeseen opportunities. They
Speaker 1: are a part of your personal and spiritual evolution. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite cards of all time.
Speaker 4: It's perfect. I mean, going back to the synchronicities that
Speaker 4: you didn't even know were there. It's like once you
Speaker 4: have your purpose and then the universe just kind of
Speaker 4: starts showing you things because you're looking for them. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just shifting your awareness. It's like it's magic in itself
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and that just speaks to that that childlike imagination
Speaker 1: that you were talking about a little bit before. You know,
Speaker 1: we were talking about everything's basically black and white and
Speaker 1: you know, materialistic and just going through the grind every day,
Speaker 1: and I mean the full don't look at life like that,
Speaker 1: you know. And what was the you said? It was
Speaker 1: the six of pentacless all right, So and typically we
Speaker 1: don't we don't read too but Sean just felt the
Speaker 1: just you know, felt the call there. We don't, we
Speaker 1: don't question the message. We just roll with it. So
Speaker 1: these six of Pentacles, giving and receiving opens the flow
Speaker 1: of prosperity in your life. Always give what you would
Speaker 1: like to receive. It says you are met with generosity
Speaker 1: and and even exchange when you draw the six of pentacles.
Speaker 1: In this card, a wealthy man offers coins to people
Speaker 1: who are kneeling before him. His body position is above theirs,
Speaker 1: yet he holds a scale in his hand as a
Speaker 1: reminder that equality is important, as is sharing what you
Speaker 1: have with those who have less. This card is as
Speaker 1: much about giving generously as it is about receiving graciously.
Speaker 1: Altruistic and genuine acts of support are the hallmarks of
Speaker 1: this card. Receiving graciously graciously. That just reminds me of
Speaker 1: like what you were saying about whenever you go outside
Speaker 1: and you're like, look, I'm not expecting any thing, but
Speaker 1: if you would, that would be that'd be pretty sweet.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, yeah, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 1: The spiritual aspect of this card, it says an inheritance
Speaker 1: or unexpected gift is coming to you, or you are
Speaker 1: considering donating it to uh, you are considering donating to
Speaker 1: charity or someone in need. Consider passing along items from
Speaker 1: your closet or or home to those in need, since
Speaker 1: doing so will create space to receive from other sources.
Speaker 1: Solid requestions go. That's a great combination of cards for
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 5: Great one for like Christmas time too, Like definitely get
Speaker 5: out there and like share the wealth.
Speaker 4: Exactly, dude. And the more you bring up your your
Speaker 4: your empathy and everything else, like if you can just
Speaker 4: understand what someone's going through, like put yourself really in
Speaker 4: their shoes, and then you can almost imagine what that
Speaker 4: person needs in that moment, like what what what level
Speaker 4: of service or or even just a random active kindness,
Speaker 4: you know, in passing, Like so many of those little
Speaker 4: things can go so far, you know, but we get
Speaker 4: so caught up in our ego and our I gotta
Speaker 4: get to work because I'm running late, and just the bullshit,
Speaker 4: you know, stupid shit that we worry about all the time.
Speaker 4: Like let's let's slow down, you know and see the
Speaker 4: space in between the notes and kind of just be
Speaker 4: here right now, you know, be right here, right so simple, dude,
Speaker 4: right up in here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and speaking of receiving graciously, we do want to
Speaker 1: say thank you so much for coming on the show
Speaker 1: and sharing your experience here justin that was awesome to
Speaker 1: get to know you and hear some of your stories.
Speaker 1: And you know, look, some people are gonna look at
Speaker 1: you like you're a koop and you're a whack job.
Speaker 1: I wear it as a badge of honor, you know,
Speaker 1: like it. Look, if you're not creating some waves, in
Speaker 1: a little bit of ruffles into the society and into
Speaker 1: the consciousness of those around you, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, that's what we're here
Speaker 1: to do, is just to not necessarily create a disturbance,
Speaker 1: but just to create a little rich that would cause
Speaker 1: somebody out there to just become curious. That's the whole point,
Speaker 1: you know. So if you would, could you let our
Speaker 1: listeners we call them the one could you let them
Speaker 1: know where they could find your good work, sir.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. Well, first, thank you so much for having
Speaker 5: me on. This is a lot of fun. But you
Speaker 5: can find all of my content on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok,
Speaker 5: I'm on Facebook, I'm on x, I'm lights over loveling
Speaker 5: on everything except for X is loveling lights And actually
Speaker 5: today I just created a Patreon and Discord server, So
Speaker 5: if you'd like to join my discord, it's completely free,
Speaker 5: and I'm just trying to create a community of people
Speaker 5: who are open and curious and really just want to
Speaker 5: like research into what's going on and you know, put
Speaker 5: stigma aside and just like look at the evidence and
Speaker 5: analyze what we're seeing and recording the skies.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so much for for your time, dude. And
Speaker 4: I just really enjoyed the way that you're looking at
Speaker 4: things and kind of just branching out and really trying
Speaker 4: to get people together. And it's a beautiful thing. Man.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, dude, Nicholas An any last thoughts for you, sir?
Speaker 4: No. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad there's more of us out there.
Speaker 4: It's amazing.
Speaker 6: I don't think we've seen anything yet, so I think
Speaker 6: it's gonna be a fun next few years.
Speaker 2: So keep them eyes up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the best is yet to come, as they say.
Speaker 1: But for any of those that maybe they are just
Speaker 1: now hearing you and looking at your beautiful, luscious locks,
Speaker 1: Nicholas for the very first time, how would they reach
Speaker 1: out to you?
Speaker 6: The Collective Perspective dot podcast on Instagram and that's got
Speaker 6: the link tree to everything else.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Yes, and look, we do want to make an announce
Speaker 1: Do we want to make an announcement?
Speaker 4: Nicholas?
Speaker 6: We can, Yeah, so I guess come January, right, the
Speaker 6: the plan is for me to be doing a weekly
Speaker 6: collective Perspective episode feature on metamistics moving forward.
Speaker 4: So excited for that and look out awesome dude. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like it was always meant to happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know it is happening, Like this conversation and
Speaker 6: the people that we're with here, it's it's all coming
Speaker 6: together at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, hip, you know, just you may as well
Speaker 1: just hitch on to the metamistics machine and just let
Speaker 1: it take you for a ride. Marv's at the will,
Speaker 1: he knows what's going on. Just let go, you know.
Speaker 1: That's that's all you really got to do, and just
Speaker 1: have fun with it. So thank you so much guys
Speaker 1: for coming on the show. This is a very very
Speaker 1: fun one and we're definitely gonna have to do it again.
Speaker 1: It was great getting to to talk to you, Justin
Speaker 1: and we'll definitely keep in touch with you. But Sean,
Speaker 1: any parting words for you.
Speaker 4: Sir, Oh dude, I'm sure this was a great episode. Man,
Speaker 4: it's fun. It's always fun talking to somebody that really
Speaker 4: has a greater understanding, you know, is really actually putting
Speaker 4: in the work and really trying to figure all of
Speaker 4: this out. I mean, none of us probably will. And
Speaker 4: that's all right, you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 4: just appreciate people like you that are actually actually trying
Speaker 4: and trying to utilize your energy in the best way possible.
Speaker 4: And I just appreciate it. Man, So thanks bud yah
Speaker 4: too much.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, look for the one out there who
Speaker 1: are on Patreon, you want to be able to, you know,
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Speaker 1: of your friends with with a genuine curiosity about the
Speaker 1: nature of this reality. Go ahead and share it with everybody.
Speaker 1: You may as well share it with your uncle who
Speaker 1: is an atheist. Be like, yeah, dude, if you are
Speaker 1: so sure that you know what the hell you're talking about,
Speaker 1: go ahead and listen to the goddamn metamistics for a change.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll just open up your third eye a little bit. So, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we appreciate everybody who's already done that. But look, if
Speaker 1: the light's over Loveland and Electro Nick came here and
Speaker 1: they taught you anything, it's that you don't know what
Speaker 1: you don't know. So I'll just get weird, stay weird,
Speaker 1: all right, and we are back. Man, what a wild
Speaker 1: ride that.
Speaker 4: Was due, Man, I had spat dripping off my eyebrow
Speaker 4: doing some work in there.
Speaker 5: Man, I liked that sound. That sound was pretty good.
Speaker 1: That was a good one. Yeah. Yeah, it was weird
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm trying to get a little bit
Speaker 1: more comfortable with the void and not always just look
Speaker 1: at it in a fearful way. But it just made
Speaker 1: me wonder so. And I don't know if I can't
Speaker 1: remember if you went into into detail about this earlier,
Speaker 1: but you had said that something had happened within Was
Speaker 1: it within a mushroom trip or something like that that
Speaker 1: caused you to have some kind of like block. Didn't
Speaker 1: you say something along those lines, or am I making
Speaker 1: that body that was out of body experience?
Speaker 5: That's what you experience gave me the block? Yeah, when
Speaker 5: I got whatever sent like dragged me across my sheets,
Speaker 5: that was That's what's set the fear in. It was
Speaker 5: just like that primal like base survival fear too. It's
Speaker 5: just like it's you think you're like prepared, like that's
Speaker 5: one of the things for going out of body is
Speaker 5: like it's the scariest thing ever when it's happening, because
Speaker 5: you literally feel like you're dying, like you're not supposed
Speaker 5: to be like seeing outside of your body or having
Speaker 5: these experiences. So like that fear that sets in is
Speaker 5: just that like basic primal survival fear.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that sucks whenever you just don't have any
Speaker 1: control over anything and then it's like some thing is
Speaker 1: overtaking you that you are defenseless against. Yeah, man, that's
Speaker 1: the worst feeling.
Speaker 4: Like the reality that you didn't even know was there,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, you're just participating in that
Speaker 4: and you've never done it before, and you don't have
Speaker 4: the instruction manual. You've never been And this is a
Speaker 4: thing that I've noticed when I've I feel like I've
Speaker 4: had it, like maybe two of those experiences where I
Speaker 4: was I don't know if I was out of body.
Speaker 4: But there was one time and it kind of was
Speaker 4: similar to your story as far as like things were different,
Speaker 4: Like I was able to be consciously aware and I
Speaker 4: was trying to look out the window for some reason,
Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, it was really hard to keep
Speaker 4: my eyes open, Like I almost felt like I was
Speaker 4: looking through one eye and I looked out the window,
Speaker 4: but the outside was not the outside of where I
Speaker 4: was in that time, at least, you know, before I
Speaker 4: went to sleep, and so it's almost like my reality
Speaker 4: kind of altered a little bit. But I definitely felt
Speaker 4: like I was consciously experiencing some something like and I
Speaker 4: actual place you having that experience, and the curtains in
Speaker 4: front of your closet door or whatever. It was different
Speaker 4: than it were to you know, But yeah, the thing
Speaker 4: that I felt in this other experience where I was
Speaker 4: actually kind of I felt like I was kind of
Speaker 4: floating around inside my own house. And it was definitely
Speaker 4: my house. Everything was laid out kind of exactly the
Speaker 4: same way. But I had this weird sense of like
Speaker 4: some kind of looming dread or something. It was not
Speaker 4: like I was scared because oh I've never done this before,
Speaker 4: but it was almost like a time was of the
Speaker 4: essence type of thing, like I only had so much time,
Speaker 4: or or I don't know what's gonna happen, There's something
Speaker 4: that I might interact with. Maybe I'm not really sure
Speaker 4: what it was going through my head, but there was
Speaker 4: definitely a looming sense of just like I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, like maybe it's feared. Maybe what I was
Speaker 4: experiencing was just a level of fear that I've never
Speaker 4: experienced before. But I mean I definitely felt like I
Speaker 4: was out of body in that experience for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's definitely weird.
Speaker 5: Definitely, Yeah, And yeah, like the fear is the biggest thing.
Speaker 5: Like when you listen to people who had out of
Speaker 5: body experiences, like Robert Monroe, like he was literally thought
Speaker 5: he was dying when to all like his doctor and
Speaker 5: like got the full check up and everything. And I
Speaker 5: think it's just you have to slowly like overcome that fear.
Speaker 5: And then once you can accept that fear and realize
Speaker 5: that like I like fully believe my consciousness exists outside
Speaker 5: my body and exists probably like forever, like it's an
Speaker 5: internal thing, right, But it's just getting comfortable with that
Speaker 5: fear of like knowing that physical death is going to
Speaker 5: come at some point in this body, even though I've
Speaker 5: probably done it hundreds, if not thousands of times. It's just, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just that built in primal fear. And I think
Speaker 5: that's the biggest thing, is like that's the obstacle. Once
Speaker 5: you can like overcome that fear, accept it and like
Speaker 5: know that you're good. Nothing can touch you your your good.
Speaker 5: That's when you can get access to like these realms
Speaker 5: that people describe like going to the acostic records and
Speaker 5: going to all these different like realms basically, like Tom
Speaker 5: Campbell describes going to all kinds of different dimensions, and
Speaker 5: he describes the same way. It's just that fear. You
Speaker 5: have to learn to control the fear. And then it's
Speaker 5: also you can't want it, as like the more you
Speaker 5: want it, the more you build that resistance away from it.
Speaker 5: So it's it's letting go and letting go of fear.
Speaker 4: It almost makes sense. It's almost like a survival protective
Speaker 4: mechanism within your own mind. It's like you can't have
Speaker 4: just all the knowledge you want unless you're able to
Speaker 4: handle some of that, you know, like are you suited,
Speaker 4: have you been meditating? Are you kind of like a
Speaker 4: well balanced person? You know? Are you treating others right?
Speaker 4: Like all these like basic fundamental things. It's like you
Speaker 4: have that under control, because if you have all that
Speaker 4: under control and you can get through the initial fear
Speaker 4: of getting out of body and still kind of keep
Speaker 4: your composure and not be just lost to astonishment, you know,
Speaker 4: now you can access some of the deeper stuff because
Speaker 4: we know and I don't know who the wei is,
Speaker 4: but that you're going to be able to at least
Speaker 4: put that to good use. Almost, you know, you know.
Speaker 1: I almost look at it like, you know, whenever we
Speaker 1: were babies, we didn't really have a clue about how
Speaker 1: to handle this reality, which is why I think we
Speaker 1: come in crying and kicking and screaming and all that shit, Right,
Speaker 1: And it takes us so many years to learn words
Speaker 1: and to learn how to walk, and learn how to
Speaker 1: do math and all this kind of stuff. And then
Speaker 1: when we get to the like this astral realm or
Speaker 1: this deep meditative state or what have you, it's like
Speaker 1: we get scared because I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: So automatically you go into like this weird fear like state,
Speaker 1: especially if you're coming in contact with scenes or beings
Speaker 1: or rhythms or whatever that you're unfamiliar with. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: unknown is going to send you into somewhat of a
Speaker 1: fearful state, and especially if you know there's things that
Speaker 1: seem to be more intelligent than you in there. And
Speaker 1: and so I do think that it probably just takes
Speaker 1: a little bit of time.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: This is why like yogis and mystics and gurus and
Speaker 1: sages and all that kind of stuff, they devote their
Speaker 1: entire life to stuff like this, to where they don't
Speaker 1: worry about going to have a job and having kids
Speaker 1: and you know, and and having all these different attachments
Speaker 1: and all the different sufferings of the world and whatnot,
Speaker 1: because they're trying to almost like get branched back onto
Speaker 1: from which they came, kind of thing, back onto that
Speaker 1: highway that so many people have past life regressions or
Speaker 1: near death experiences and stuff like that. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that place feels more like home than even home feels like.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, I'm trying to get a
Speaker 1: little bit more familiar with it myself, but yeah, there's
Speaker 1: still something about that damn fear. And you know one
Speaker 1: thing that I wouldn't you know, because I had the
Speaker 1: mindfold on whenever I was meditating, but whenever I was
Speaker 1: doing that, I dude, it gets so damn dark in there.
Speaker 1: How anybody sees anything through that is crazy to me.
Speaker 1: You know, Like the people that can see without their eyes,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hope that I can see that one
Speaker 1: day because it is pitch black in there. It's like crazy,
Speaker 1: but but it's a real good, uh like simulation for
Speaker 1: the void, you know, like in complete and total blackness.
Speaker 1: And it just reminds me like I was there, Maybe
Speaker 1: I was of the beginning of all things where it
Speaker 1: you know, the there was there was, there was only
Speaker 1: one consciousness inside of the void, and and and that
Speaker 1: one conscious business expanded and created everything. And one thing
Speaker 1: that we've learned about symbolism as far as like black
Speaker 1: and white, is that, yeah, the color white, it embodies
Speaker 1: all colors, right, Like that's the idea of white is
Speaker 1: that it embodies all colors. And the idea of blackness
Speaker 1: or darkness, you know, is always seen as something to
Speaker 1: be scared of or something that's without. But the idea
Speaker 1: is is that that is the place from which all
Speaker 1: creation comes from, is from the darkness or from that void,
Speaker 1: that is where the imagination has to start building. And
Speaker 1: so there's not really you shouldn't necessarily be scared of
Speaker 1: it or try to avoid the void. It's more so
Speaker 1: that whenever you do get the opportunity to go there,
Speaker 1: try and see what you can create. And that's what
Speaker 1: I was trying to do. Whenever I was in there,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm not just a
Speaker 1: tiny little speck inside of the void. I encompass the void.
Speaker 1: The void is inside me, you know, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to start creating. So that's what I was trying to
Speaker 1: do in that meditation, and dude, out of nowhere, I
Speaker 1: just like this blue sphere like just appeared. It was crazy,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if it was happening in my
Speaker 1: mind's eye or what, but maybe it was. But it
Speaker 1: was so much different than just like visualizing something. And
Speaker 1: whenever I saw it, I was really trying to hone
Speaker 1: in on it. And it was weird because I almost
Speaker 1: got like this overwhelming sense of fear that this thing
Speaker 1: was here before me. So maybe it has more power
Speaker 1: than I do. It's just back to that fearful state.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, I put that there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna paint it. And so I started adding a
Speaker 1: little bit of green to it, and before you know it,
Speaker 1: it started to become earth. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's probably how it started, you know, learn something like
Speaker 1: that figured it out?
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So man, weird stuff that can happen inside
Speaker 1: of a meditation. It's just a it's a fun place
Speaker 1: to be, you know. But yeah, I think, uh, well,
Speaker 1: we've been going long enough. I think we're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: this bad boy up right now. But justin thank you
Speaker 1: so much for hanging out with us than I, dude,
Speaker 1: and we would definitely love to do it again. And
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get together for a little meet and greet
Speaker 1: with the outsiders.
Speaker 5: Yeah that would be awesome. Yeah, oh yeah, and once again,
Speaker 5: thanks so much for having me on. Like I've been
Speaker 5: wanting to get out on a more podcast and like
Speaker 5: try to branch out and get my name out there more. So,
Speaker 5: like I appreciate that invite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, well it's gonna get seen and listen to
Speaker 1: by thousands of the one It's all just one experience anyway,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we appreciate it. Man. We'll definitely do it again.
Speaker 1: But until next time, we'll see everybody on the flip side.
Speaker 4: I guess all right, later.
Speaker 1: Later, dude, keep
Speaker 4: Compkeep