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<v Speaker 1>This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm Tleah and we are

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<v Speaker 2>Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am doing great? How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I am doing pretty good myself. Just working on my list?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, your list, my list of I guess you

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<v Speaker 3>could say it's a bucket list. Very nice. I'd like

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<v Speaker 3>to accomplish. And I've just added becoming a pro billiards

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<v Speaker 3>player and a professional darks woman. I'd like to ace.

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<v Speaker 3>I would like Yeah, I like to rule the bar scene.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and yeah billiards and darts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, both the last ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>What about you?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you working on? What self improvements are you

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<v Speaker 3>working on? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Girl, I'm just trying to get through the day. I mean, seriously, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know with this that the time change makes it a

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<v Speaker 3>long week.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I wake up and I'm like, I can't believe it's

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<v Speaker 3>only seven forty eight. I feel like and in the morning,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I don't know what to do. Do I

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<v Speaker 3>go back to bed or or doom scroll.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you not for us today?

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<v Speaker 3>I have today story about missus Ezra mccandleist and her victim,

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<v Speaker 3>Alexander Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, is this a love triangle?

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<v Speaker 3>So well, let me get you started on this story, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to give you a little bit of background

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<v Speaker 3>on Alexander Lehman Sidney Alex Woodworth twenty four years old.

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<v Speaker 3>He was born on January first, nineteen ninety four in

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<v Speaker 3>Saint Path Paul's, Wisconsin, so he's a Capricorn. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I also did look up his zodiac Chinese signed browster.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little sketchy around our New Years because their

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<v Speaker 3>New Year's sometimes is in February, so in the Year

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<v Speaker 3>of the Rooster. Now Alex's parents where John and Kimberley

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<v Speaker 3>Woodworth family lived in o Claire, Wisconsin, and Alex was

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<v Speaker 3>the oldest of four siblings, and he really enjoyed being

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<v Speaker 3>the big brother and his extracurricular hobbies and activities. He

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<v Speaker 3>loved reading, being at the coffee shop, and just helping

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<v Speaker 3>people in general. Alex cherished the time he spent with

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<v Speaker 3>his family and friends. So pretty cool guy, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Alex attended Ociola Ociola High School and he graduated in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve, and then he went on to the University

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<v Speaker 3>of Wisconsin o'clare where he received his bachelor's degree in

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<v Speaker 3>philosophy and biology in the spring of twenty seventeen. So

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<v Speaker 3>that would be before the pandemic. That's the time line

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<v Speaker 3>of things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, in post.

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<v Speaker 3>Panties and posts, this is three. He attended and graduated

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<v Speaker 3>the University of Oregon with intentions of graduating with his

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<v Speaker 3>master's degree in philosophy. Now we're going to meet Ezra.

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra Jane McCanless twenty. She was born October sixth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety seven, in Stanley, Wisconsin, and she was born Monica

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<v Speaker 3>Kay to a mother. Her mom was only fourteen when

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<v Speaker 3>she had Ezra. Her name is Rosalina Gunlson. Ezra's biological

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<v Speaker 3>father was not part of her life. She was later

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<v Speaker 3>Monica Carlin after her mother's partner, Jesshane Carlin, adopted her

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<v Speaker 3>when she was four years old, and her mom and

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<v Speaker 3>her stepfather divorced when she was twelve, but she continued

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<v Speaker 3>to have a close relationship with her adoptive father, Jashane.

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<v Speaker 3>So Ezra later explained that she gave herself a new

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<v Speaker 3>name at the age of eighteen because she felt Ezra

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<v Speaker 3>was a better fit for her than Monica, and she

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<v Speaker 3>picked the last name McCandless in honor of the free

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<v Speaker 3>spirit Chris McCanless, whose life was memorialized in the book

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<v Speaker 3>and film called Into the Wild and Ezra. She lived

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<v Speaker 3>in Stanley, Wisconsin, and during high school, Ezra she decided

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<v Speaker 3>to try out different names and pronouns, you know, finding herself.

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<v Speaker 3>She dropped out of college and moved to Eau Claire

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<v Speaker 3>from Stanley, and she worked at the Stanley Boyd Area

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<v Speaker 3>School District. Now, Ezra was in a love triangle, well

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<v Speaker 3>sexually involved with two other men at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>One man his name is John Hanson and the other

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<v Speaker 3>Jason Mangle. Ezra was very much more attracted to Jason Mongole.

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<v Speaker 3>They were on again, off again, and she'd wanted always

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<v Speaker 3>to go back. Ezra met Alex at a coffee shop

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<v Speaker 3>he worked as a barista, called Racy Delane's Coffee Lounge.

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra was in a relationship with Jason Mengel at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and they all three became friends. Jason was a National

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<v Speaker 3>Guard medic and he told CBS News that Ezra was

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<v Speaker 3>going through an emotional time emotional things, and that Alex

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<v Speaker 3>was a really good friend, and he said, I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of pushed them together at one time because I knew

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<v Speaker 3>they both had similar viewpoints. He had some things in

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<v Speaker 3>his life that I figured she could help with, and

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he could help her with things in her life.

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<v Speaker 3>So Jason soon discovered that Ezra and Alex had developed

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<v Speaker 3>a romantic relationship. Ezra then ended her relationships with both

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<v Speaker 3>Alex and Jason, but then later attempted to rekindle her

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with Jason. So that's what it seems like. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's I'm with you, I'm not with you. I'm with

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't It doesn't sound like other people know

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<v Speaker 3>that they're only she does, right, you know. So in

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<v Speaker 3>mid February, when Jason was gone on two weeks of

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<v Speaker 3>National Guard duty, Ezra she moved back to her mom's

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<v Speaker 3>house in Stanley, and when Jason came back, he would

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<v Speaker 3>meet up with her at hotels. And during one of

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<v Speaker 3>the hotel stays, Jason read messages on Ezra's phone and

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<v Speaker 3>he found out about her relationship with Alex and John Hanson.

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<v Speaker 4>We got to lock up that.

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<v Speaker 3>Vulgar oh boy, right who? Now she accused them of

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<v Speaker 3>sexual assault of John Hanson of sexual assault. So now

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<v Speaker 3>Jason he goes out, he confronts both men and where

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<v Speaker 3>the three men had a public argument at a coffee shop.

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<v Speaker 3>So Ezra's telling Jason one thing. Everybody's getting different stories

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<v Speaker 3>from Ezra. Now. Ezra blamed Alex for ending her relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with Jason. On February twenty fourth, twenty eighteen, Ezra sent

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<v Speaker 3>Alex attacks that told him not to ever talk to

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<v Speaker 3>her again. Ezra then sent Jason journals in which she

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<v Speaker 3>expressed how such she was for betraying him. Can you

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<v Speaker 3>imagine that, Tanya you like getting back? Let me show

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<v Speaker 3>you my journal entries on how tore up I was

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<v Speaker 3>for betraying you. So this is proof you got to

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<v Speaker 3>take me back.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to take me back because I really was upset.

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<v Speaker 3>Read it. These are my journals cheering. This is authentic.

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<v Speaker 3>So Ezra had moved from eu Claire to Stanley, but

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<v Speaker 3>had showed up in Eclaire to surprise Jason. She met

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<v Speaker 3>him at the coffee shop where he worked, and then

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<v Speaker 3>she told him she wanted to show Alex some of

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<v Speaker 3>her writings. Jason and Ezra had messaged each other six

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<v Speaker 3>hundred times the night before she came into town, and

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<v Speaker 3>Jason claimed that as had been emotionally down, and she

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<v Speaker 3>told him that that day that she planned to take

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<v Speaker 3>her life back and she was going to be Ezra again. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>Jason became suspicious and he tracked down Ezra to Alex's house,

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<v Speaker 3>where he confronted them both about the nature of their relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the three went their separate ways, and I'll tell

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<v Speaker 3>you but Ezra shows up to the Simple House three

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<v Speaker 3>hours later from this meeting. Now, Ezra allegedly planned to

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<v Speaker 3>speak with Alex to have him admit that their affair

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<v Speaker 3>was a mistake, which would help her get Jason back.

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<v Speaker 3>A police officer arrives to Alex's house after a passerby

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<v Speaker 3>called police to report that Jason was standing outside pacing

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<v Speaker 3>looking very suspicious. For about forty five minutes, one officer

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<v Speaker 3>spoke with Alex, and another spoke with Jason, and another

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<v Speaker 3>spoke with Ezra, who was waiting in the front seat

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<v Speaker 3>of her car. Jason I told the officer that he

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<v Speaker 3>was concerned about Ezra because if she gave me a

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<v Speaker 3>vibe today, man, I don't know. It doesn't feel right.

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<v Speaker 3>Something feels wrong. The bobser concluded that everything seems normal

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<v Speaker 3>and then they leave. Now, Ezra, she found out she

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<v Speaker 3>was pregnant and early fall of twenty seventeen, with Jason's child,

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<v Speaker 3>she drove to Minneapolis to have an abortion, and not

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<v Speaker 3>long after the abortion, Ezra began her secret relationship with Alex.

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<v Speaker 3>And Ezra's previous relationship had deteriorated after she decided to

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<v Speaker 3>terminate her pregnancy, and she claimed that she was young, confused,

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<v Speaker 3>and felt rushed into the abortion. She said the decision

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<v Speaker 3>left her empty and hurt emotionally and physically, and she

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<v Speaker 3>claimed that she ended the relationship with Jason and the

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with Alex was just within a few weeks of

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<v Speaker 3>that breakup. Okay, so now it's March twenty second, twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and around four fifteen pm on that day, the dun

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<v Speaker 3>County Sheriff Office received a call from Don Sipple that

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<v Speaker 3>a young woman had arrived on foot at his house

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<v Speaker 3>in the east seventy six hundred block of fortieth Avenue

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<v Speaker 3>in the town of Springbrook. Sypple reported that the woman

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<v Speaker 3>was bloody, barefoot, and muddy. A deputy responded with the

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<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin State trooper and the woman was later identified as

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra McCanless now. The deputy found Ezra's hair to be

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<v Speaker 3>disheveled and noted blood around her mouth, on her knuckles,

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<v Speaker 3>her left arm, and upper right thigh visible through a

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<v Speaker 3>hole in her pants. She appeared to be very upset

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<v Speaker 3>and crying, but the deputy said he didn't see any

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<v Speaker 3>visible tears. Little asterisk. Ezra was not able to provide

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<v Speaker 3>her name or address when asked by the trooper. She

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<v Speaker 3>did give the name of Jason Mangle of Oak Cleay Is,

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<v Speaker 3>someone to contact on her behalf. Ezra was taken by

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<v Speaker 3>ambulance to the mail clinic in Eau Claire, which was

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<v Speaker 3>followed by a dun County deputy, and at the hospital,

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<v Speaker 3>the deputy could see the word boy cut into Ezra's

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<v Speaker 3>left arm. Ezra claimed that Alex attacked her and after

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<v Speaker 3>the attack she carved the word boy onto her arm.

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<v Speaker 3>That this is going to flip flop back and forth

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<v Speaker 3>this story. While at the hospital, the deputy also learned

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<v Speaker 3>that Ezra had changed her name from Monica Carlin in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fifteen. Ezra initially claimed that Alex attacked her in

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<v Speaker 3>retaliation after she stopped identifying as a man, which was

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<v Speaker 3>an identity that she said Alex preferred. Ezra claimed this

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<v Speaker 3>is what prompted Alex to carve the word boy in

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<v Speaker 3>her arm, but then later confessed to marking herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she so, Ezra identified as a man at

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<v Speaker 2>one point and Alex really liked that, and now that

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<v Speaker 2>she identifies as a girl, he carved the word boy

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<v Speaker 2>in her.

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<v Speaker 3>Arm in a spiteful way.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, okay, okay, after the.

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<v Speaker 3>Attack, Yes, on her left arm.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. She said that in high school she had often

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<v Speaker 3>questioned her gender. Ezra told detectives that Alex had picked

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<v Speaker 3>up on that and he used to call me like

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<v Speaker 3>boy a lot and just say stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really identify that way anymore. That's what. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>or however she identified as in changing. That was very upsetting.

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<v Speaker 4>So what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>The doctor who examined Ezra on March twenty second noted

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<v Speaker 3>that the angle of the wounds indicated that they could

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<v Speaker 3>be self inflicted, and the letters carved in her left

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<v Speaker 3>arm were orientated for her to look at. Ezra. I

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<v Speaker 3>In a way that you could see. Yeah, Like now

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<v Speaker 3>see that gives me a new perspective. I'm like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>Just yeah in the mirror something.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's diabolically clever to have that much planning.

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<v Speaker 3>But she did it. She had it, Yes, she had

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<v Speaker 3>it to where you could easily see it for her.

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<v Speaker 3>So Ezra admitted to the hospital staff that she had

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<v Speaker 3>self harm in the past. Then, while being treated at

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The dun County deputy reached out to the Eau Claire

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<v Speaker 3>Police Department for help finding Jason Mengele, and an officer

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<v Speaker 3>said earlier that day, around twelve thirty pm, police made

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<v Speaker 3>contact with Ezra, Jason, and Alex remember in the driveway

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<v Speaker 3>of Alex's home. So, when asked what happened that day,

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra admitted that she was at Alex's house and left

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<v Speaker 3>claimed that Alex allegedly attacked her and cut boy into

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<v Speaker 3>her arm. Now, in an interview review of cameras in

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<v Speaker 3>the area, the officer could find no evidence of Ezra's

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<v Speaker 3>car coming or going from the park, noting that the

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<v Speaker 3>alleged assault took place near a busy intersection with lots

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<v Speaker 3>of vehicles in pedestrian traffic. So at this point an

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<v Speaker 3>investigator took over the investigation and observed that a significant

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<v Speaker 3>amount of time had taken place between the time Ezra

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<v Speaker 3>she was seen with Alex. For his safety, an unsuccessful

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<v Speaker 3>search for Alex was initiated by the city and the

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<v Speaker 3>County of Eau Claire. On March twenty third, twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 3>around three pm, the investigators went to Sipples home to

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<v Speaker 3>they noticed a mud covered road leading off to the

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<v Speaker 3>investigators returned to the dirt road and found a single

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<v Speaker 3>tire tracks leading up to the muddy road. Now walking

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<v Speaker 3>up the side of the road, the detectives located a

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and three Chevy and pala with license plate

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<v Speaker 3>that later confirmed it as Ezra's car. The car also

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<v Speaker 3>had multiple colorful drawings on the exterior. The driver's side

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<v Speaker 3>rear door was standing open and clothing could be seen

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<v Speaker 3>lying on the ground outside, so the detectives could see

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<v Speaker 3>that what appeared to be the head and upper body

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<v Speaker 3>of a person lying partly outside the door. With blood

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<v Speaker 3>clear the person was deceased. Once they confirmed that there

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<v Speaker 3>were no other victims in the scene, the detectives backed

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<v Speaker 3>out of the area to preserve the crime scene, and

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<v Speaker 3>they called the dun County Sheriff's office to complete the investigation,

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<v Speaker 3>and the body was identified as Alex Woodworth and he

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<v Speaker 3>was taken to the Ramsey County Medical Examiner's Office the

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<v Speaker 3>following day, March twenty fourth, for his autopsy examination. According

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<v Speaker 3>to the autopsy report, the cause of death was multiple

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<v Speaker 3>sharp force injuries sixteen total and the manner of death

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<v Speaker 3>was homicide and a scarf was found around Alex's neck

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<v Speaker 3>in a parent attempt to stop his bleeding. H Now,

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<v Speaker 3>March twenty fourth, Ezra McCanless was interviewed by investigators and

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<v Speaker 3>she told them she drove to Alex's house to return

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<v Speaker 3>some things to him, and she said they wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>talk with each other and decided to go to a

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<v Speaker 3>public place. Initially, she was in the driver's seat with

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<v Speaker 3>Alex in the passenger seat, and then Ezra became anxious

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<v Speaker 3>and had Alex drive instead. So Ezra claimed that they

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<v Speaker 3>ended up on a dirt road on that four hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and thirtieth Avenue in Springbrook in dun County, where they

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<v Speaker 3>got stuck in the mud and she alleged that Alex

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<v Speaker 3>attacked her in the vehicle and carved the word boy

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<v Speaker 3>in her arm. Ezra claimed that she had betrayed Alex

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<v Speaker 3>and he attempted to rape her with a knife in

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<v Speaker 3>the back seat of the car. She said he cut

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<v Speaker 3>her clothes off with the knife, but Ezra them meet

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<v Speaker 3>him in the groin and then grabbing the blade side

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<v Speaker 3>of the knife. She said she was able to take

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<v Speaker 3>the blade from Alex and admitted to stabbing him anywhere

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<v Speaker 3>and everywhere now. The knife involved in the incident had

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<v Speaker 3>been in the trunk of Ezra's car. Ezra had been

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<v Speaker 3>working for her father's tree service, and the knife was

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<v Speaker 3>constantly being put in and taken out of the vehicle.

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra later testified that her father said the knife could

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<v Speaker 3>be used to break glass or to cut a seatbelt.

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<v Speaker 3>She also stated that her father also thought she should

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<v Speaker 3>be prepared for anything if she encountered a situation where

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<v Speaker 3>she was in danger and she needed to do anything

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<v Speaker 2>So it was why she got this knife in her car.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always on the ready, exactly. So. Ezra believed that

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<v Speaker 3>she stabbed Alex in the Genitalia area bya's leigh. The stomach,

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<v Speaker 3>neck back by the ribs inside of his head. She

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<v Speaker 3>did not respond when asked how the word boy got

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<v Speaker 3>put onto her arm, but latermitted she put it there

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<v Speaker 3>after she stabbed Alex. So, if you're gonna change.

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<v Speaker 2>Her story again, if you're gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Use you know, you're going to plant some evidence that

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<v Speaker 3>has gotta be a solid ass story, right, never changes, ever,

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<v Speaker 3>not ever. And then it feels, yeah, it is so

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<v Speaker 2>She's all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did it. He did it. Now she's arrested.

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra McCanless was suspected in Alex's death and was in

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<v Speaker 3>custody at the dun County Jail scheduled to attend a

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<v Speaker 3>bond hearing on March twenty eighth of twenty eighteen on

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<v Speaker 3>the charge of first degree intentional homicide, and according to

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<v Speaker 3>dun County District Attorney Andrea Nadell, Ezra McCandless confessed to

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<v Speaker 3>killing Alex after being interviewed by investigators from dun County

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<v Speaker 3>and the Eau Claire Police Department, and a cash bond

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<v Speaker 3>of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars was set for

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra in Dune County attorney Nodall asked that a bond

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<v Speaker 3>of seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars be set, in

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<v Speaker 3>amount that Ezra's attorney called ridiculous in light of what

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<v Speaker 3>he called a lack of evidence and the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra had no prior record. Ezra's defense attorney asked that

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<v Speaker 3>she be released on co signature bond with her mother now.

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<v Speaker 3>Judge Smeltzer noticed that there had been an extensive investigation

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<v Speaker 3>and found probable cause that Ezra had committed the crime,

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<v Speaker 3>and he set the bond to two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars, with the condition that she neither leave Done

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<v Speaker 3>County or Chippewa County. So the preliminary hearing that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be on Wednesday, the twenty fifth, the Dunn County

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<v Speaker 3>Judge James Peterson found probable cause that Ezra committed first

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<v Speaker 3>degree intentional homicide using a dangerous weapon and bound her

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<v Speaker 3>over for trial. He stated that based on Ezra's mental

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<v Speaker 3>state and statements that she made during her initial court

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<v Speaker 3>appearance on the sixth April sixth, he had questions about

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<v Speaker 3>whether she was competent to stand for trial, and he

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eighteen the competency hearing. A status conference was held

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<v Speaker 3>on that day, where Judge Peterson announced that, according to

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<v Speaker 3>the evaluation report from the clinical psychologists and a consultant

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<v Speaker 3>with the Wisconsin Forensic Unit, Ezra was mentally fit to

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<v Speaker 3>stand trial on charges of first degree intentional homicide and

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<v Speaker 3>use of a deadly weapon. In a letter to the

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<v Speaker 3>Judge James Peterson, Ezra's defense attorney stated that she wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to change her plea from not guilty to not guilty

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<v Speaker 3>by reason of mental disease or defect. This change in

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<v Speaker 3>plea occurred even after Ezra had already passed all of

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<v Speaker 3>her mental evaluations. So the hearing, Yeah, it's like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>You got the connectioncy evaluation?

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<v Speaker 3>I doubt I would a judge look at that. You think, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you're the judge and you're.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, what is this flying?

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<v Speaker 2>Soay right, and the prosecutor is going to bring that

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<v Speaker 2>exam into the trial. So what the jury's going to say?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you? Yeah? Now, December third, that's the hearing. And

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<v Speaker 3>during the court hearing, Judge Peterson denied motions to suppress

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<v Speaker 3>audio recordings of Ezra's interview with authorities, determining that her

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<v Speaker 3>March twenty third interview with detectives was voluntary and not

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<v Speaker 3>an interrogation. The March twenty fourth interview with investigators was

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<v Speaker 3>deemed to be an interrogation, but Ezra was able to

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<v Speaker 3>leave it anytime. So now Ezra's trial was set to

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<v Speaker 3>begin April second, Toy nineteen. She withdrew her plea of

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<v Speaker 3>not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. On

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<v Speaker 3>February sixth, in a court hearing, Ezra's defense attorney stated

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<v Speaker 3>that he expects her to testify at her trial. In April.

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra told multiple people that she was assaulted by two

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<v Speaker 3>people as a child, by a man in twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>and by another man in twenty eighteen, just one month

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<v Speaker 3>before Alex was stabbed. Now supposedly, Ezra told Jason that

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<v Speaker 3>one of his friends raped her in twenty seventeen. Jason

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<v Speaker 3>went to the Oak Claire Police Department, who investigated the

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<v Speaker 3>claim but did not charge the man. The Oak Claire

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<v Speaker 3>Police Department investigated the twenty eighteen assault allegation against one

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<v Speaker 3>of the men The man's lawyer said that if called

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<v Speaker 3>as a witness in the trial, the man will invoke

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<v Speaker 3>his right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions.

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<v Speaker 3>The report filed against this man was false and was

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<v Speaker 3>an attempt to cover up a consensual sexual relationship with

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<v Speaker 3>a different man. Wow, sounds familiar. That's her game.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah right, you know she's got.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them as the fall guy. Someone's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be the fall guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the sexually graphic text messages between Ezra and the

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<v Speaker 3>man accused of the assault proved that the encounter was consensual.

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<v Speaker 3>The prosecutors alleged that Ezra was sexually involved with three

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<v Speaker 3>minutes a time. In February of twenty eighteen, Ezra was

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with guilt, regret, gender identity, a move from Eau

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<v Speaker 3>Claire to Stanley. According to prosecutors, they want to introduce

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<v Speaker 3>the assault report, Ezra's journal, and several of Ezra's text

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<v Speaker 3>messages as evidence, claiming that these materials are highly relevant

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<v Speaker 3>to playing contexts and motive and intent. Now, ezra defense

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<v Speaker 3>attorney stated that Ezra's sexual history and prior sexual assaults

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<v Speaker 3>are not relevant to whether she intended to kill Alex

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<v Speaker 3>or if she did, whether she was acting in self defense.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 4>I think she's full of shit.

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<v Speaker 3>I do too, but I'd like this. The defense attorney like,

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<v Speaker 3>how is her previous sexual history about well, unless well,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously it's her game plan. So you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>she she's got a fall guy. Because this is what

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<v Speaker 3>happened before. There's a pattern developing your people. The trial

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<v Speaker 3>began on October fourteenth, twenty nineteen, in dun County. It

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to be April second, but it got moved

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<v Speaker 3>to later in the year October due to the defense

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<v Speaker 3>receiving over twelve hundred pages of possible evidence from Alex's

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<v Speaker 3>computer and letters written by Ezra while in jail. Yeah right.

422
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<v Speaker 3>The Assistant Attorney General Richard dufour and dun County District

423
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<v Speaker 3>Attorney Andrea n Adult state that Ezra intentionally lord Alex

424
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<v Speaker 3>to dun County to murder him to rid herself of

425
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 3>guilt and regret surrounding her situation.

426
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.119
<v Speaker 2>The defense, she wanted to be with Jason, right, she.

427
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 3>Wants to be with Jason, and but then she gets

428
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:27.519
<v Speaker 3>pregnant by Jason. Sounds she's very confused. Yeah, you know,

429
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.759
<v Speaker 3>just her own sexual identity. Then she's, you know, got

430
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:36.039
<v Speaker 3>this taxic kind of draw magnetism to Jason. She gets pregnant,

431
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.960
<v Speaker 3>then she has an abortion so she can pursue Alex.

432
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.599
<v Speaker 4>Right, just the but yeah, there's Jameson's right.

433
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 2>She did it to like get rid of Alex, like for.

434
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 3>Feeling bad about the situation with her ad Jason. Maybe

435
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:55.559
<v Speaker 3>it sounds like how she's unable to keep shit straight,

436
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 3>but she feels great guilt about what she may or

437
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.799
<v Speaker 3>may not have inflicted and you know a lot of

438
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<v Speaker 3>mental stuff.

439
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe right, maybe.

440
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:08.240
<v Speaker 3>Maybe, But the defense now their case, Ezra's defense attorney

441
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 3>said that Alex took violent and aggressive acts against Ezra

442
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 3>in the back seat of a vehicle that was stuck

443
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 3>in the mud in a secluded rural area, a total

444
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 3>self defense. That was the case now. The evidence drawings

445
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:29.279
<v Speaker 3>of knives and several of Alex's journals were considered crucial

446
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 3>evidence in the case. The drawings were of a similar

447
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.880
<v Speaker 3>knife to what was used in the stabbing, which makes

448
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.839
<v Speaker 3>the drawings highly relevant to motive and intent to kill

449
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<v Speaker 3>Alexander Woodworth. Noo said there is no evidence that suggests

450
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<v Speaker 3>that Ezra was the artist of the drawings, only that

451
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:52.480
<v Speaker 3>the drawings were found with her belongings. Now, yeah, yeah,

452
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.000
<v Speaker 3>it's your journal, but these might not be your doodles.

453
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 2>You might yeah, you might not have doodle in it.

454
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<v Speaker 2>Oh noof somebody else is drawing knives in your journal.

455
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, your private thoughts?

456
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:06.400
<v Speaker 4>Is that my journal?

457
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Ezra's defense team wanted over one hundred pages of Alex's

458
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.680
<v Speaker 3>journals and writings allowed into evidence. The journals had many

459
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 3>references to cannibalism and some to death and suicide, according

460
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<v Speaker 3>to the court documents. Ezra's defense team argued that she

461
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.200
<v Speaker 3>knew the contents of the journals, which prompted her to

462
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:32.200
<v Speaker 3>fight back when he attacked her. Now, prosecutors claim that

463
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<v Speaker 3>Alex's references to cannibalism, death, and suicide were metaphors since

464
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:42.519
<v Speaker 3>he was a philosophy student that tended to teach philosophy someday, Okay,

465
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't make sense because I forgot how educated he

466
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<v Speaker 3>is too.

467
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Don't know, because I'm thinking, like, oh, she knows he

468
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>writes about cannibalism, so she's afraid, like he's going to

469
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:55.839
<v Speaker 2>kill her an eater or something like.

470
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like poetry, you know, high coups. Yeah, exactly.

471
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Ezra testified that she stabbed Alex because quote, I was

472
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.759
<v Speaker 3>afraid he was going to kill me unquote. She testified

473
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<v Speaker 3>that she went to a nearby house for help, but

474
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<v Speaker 3>did not mention that she had stabbed Alex and he

475
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 3>was in the car. She also did not tell responding

476
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:24.960
<v Speaker 3>officers an emergency personnel about stabbing Alex either. A forensic

477
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 3>scientist called to testify stated that Alex had more than

478
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<v Speaker 3>likely lived up to thirty minutes after being stabbed. None

479
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.240
<v Speaker 3>of his wounds right, none of his wounds were immediately

480
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.079
<v Speaker 3>life threatening or to the spinal cord.

481
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<v Speaker 2>How horrible is It's really sad, like he just bled

482
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<v Speaker 2>out and you know what, probably could have danger, yeah,

483
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and for help and told somebody in the ambulance came.

484
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:51.519
<v Speaker 2>They might have been able to save him.

485
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:56.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, thirty minutes are for sure. The verdict came in

486
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<v Speaker 3>on November first, twenty nineteen. Ezrael was found guilty a

487
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.680
<v Speaker 3>first degree intentional homicide in the death of Alex. The

488
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.200
<v Speaker 3>jury deliberated for three hours and seventeen minutes.

489
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>That's nothing.

490
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 3>That is that's probably a bad sign if you're wanting

491
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:14.640
<v Speaker 3>to get off huh. Oh.

492
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>It is, for sure. The longer they're deliberating, the better

493
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>it is.

494
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:24.759
<v Speaker 3>I've always had her chances, I bet. Yeah. Sence, the

495
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 3>sentence thing was on Friday, February seventh, twenty twenty. Oh, right,

496
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.480
<v Speaker 3>right before the pani before. Yes, yes, the month before.

497
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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, so yeah, months before the pandemic began.

498
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<v Speaker 3>February seven, twenty twenty, Ezra was sentenced to life in prison,

499
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<v Speaker 3>with the possibility to petition for extended supervision after fifty years. Jeez.

500
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.359
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, now, God, my goodness, that's the young You're

501
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.519
<v Speaker 3>in your seventies. I'd have to kind of scroll back

502
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.640
<v Speaker 3>and I can't remember her age twenties, said she was

503
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 3>twenty yeah, yes, twenty wow. In December of twenty twenty two,

504
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 3>Ezra's attorneys filed emotion to vacate the conviction and order

505
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:13.799
<v Speaker 3>a new trial. The nearly eighty page motion cites ineffective

506
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.799
<v Speaker 3>assistance of council, that the jury was able to consider

507
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 3>inadviscible and inflammatory character evidence, that the jury got incomplete

508
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:29.920
<v Speaker 3>and incorrect instructions about how to consider psychological evidence, and

509
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.440
<v Speaker 3>that the jury was exposed to the state's improper closing arguments.

510
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 3>The motion site seeking a new trial and the Interests

511
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:43.039
<v Speaker 3>of Justice, saying the trial suffered from numerous errors. The

512
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.440
<v Speaker 3>request for a new trial was denied in November of

513
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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty three. So you may ask whereas Ezra now.

514
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<v Speaker 3>She is being held at the Techeetah Correctional Institute and

515
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.

516
00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.319
<v Speaker 4>Oh, fon du Lac.

517
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 3>She'll at least be there for fifty years and then

518
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:05.559
<v Speaker 3>she can petition.

519
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Damn, that's a long ass time.

520
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that really is. And that's like a you know,

521
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.359
<v Speaker 3>they always say, like, you know, when you make a

522
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.960
<v Speaker 3>dumb decision, it's a stupid short term just a choice

523
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 3>for a long you'll have long term problems if you

524
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.400
<v Speaker 3>just deal with it and just be done with it.

525
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 3>Boom boom.

526
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

527
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<v Speaker 2>I'm always amazed too, like when people decide to kill

528
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 2>other people, like the stupid fucking reasons that they decide

529
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 2>to do it. And the best part is like they

530
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.559
<v Speaker 2>don't they don't think it out. They don't they don't

531
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>think like, oh they're not they're gonna get caught. Like

532
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.799
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing like you you can tell like she didn't

533
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 2>think this through.

534
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 4>There's no long game.

535
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I know, there's no longer game like she did long

536
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Like this self defense is going to be believed and

537
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.079
<v Speaker 2>you know and whatever or that she's going to be

538
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>found to be mentally incompetent. You know, one of these

539
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>two is going to carry her through. And you can't

540
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:10.039
<v Speaker 2>do fucking shit like this nowadays. I mean you you know.

541
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.599
<v Speaker 3>Just walk away your yourself will thank you a thousand

542
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:15.400
<v Speaker 3>times over.

543
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Like with all the forensics and everything that they study

544
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 2>now like the angle of the knife and where you

545
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 2>were standing in this bud blood splatter, they know exactly

546
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:30.559
<v Speaker 2>like everything that happened. And it's just it floors me that.

547
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:34.119
<v Speaker 3>People, Yeah, watch an episode at Dexter, right, I was

548
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 3>just gonna say, like science there, science people science.

549
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing, like to me, like, you know, it's just

550
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, now I don't I really don't think you

551
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:51.719
<v Speaker 2>can really get away with killing people nowadays. And unless

552
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.320
<v Speaker 2>you like totally murdered like a stranger. That's my that's

553
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 2>always been you know, like if I showed up in

554
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.320
<v Speaker 2>like Idaho somewhere and murdered someone and then came right

555
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>home or something, you know what I mean.

556
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Like yes, like it's so yeah, very very random. But

557
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 3>to make it like you're in a relationship with somebody

558
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:13.079
<v Speaker 3>and this is the best look. He's carved boy in

559
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 3>my left arm. See how I can see it?

560
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, but I did it backwards like he oh no,

561
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 2>he carved it backwards.

562
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I know.

563
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm talking about. Details, details, exactly details. You're

564
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 3>not funny, but it's just so so over the top

565
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 3>to deal with your fucking just deal with them. Then

566
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 3>you still get to go on and be free. Yeah,

567
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 3>and every okay, everybody sheds a tear and then we

568
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 3>healed and we go on.

569
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.800
<v Speaker 2>So don't be a pretty comfortable situation. You just have

570
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to deal with it. And you know, maybe she was immature,

571
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's only twenty or whatever, but girl, really

572
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.320
<v Speaker 2>this was this was your out, like this was your

573
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>grand scheme.

574
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.280
<v Speaker 3>This reminds me. Yeah, we ever see those pictures like

575
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 3>spider webs. I'll be like, oh, this web was built

576
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>by a spider who was drink alcohol, and it's just

577
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:10.920
<v Speaker 3>like this is like the heroine crack cannabis web that

578
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:16.360
<v Speaker 3>she's crazy. Girl, it's too much, you know, and to

579
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 3>come out like I don't know, but here, I'll give

580
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:22.559
<v Speaker 3>you a name, you know, trying to throw them off.

581
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 3>The scent. She did that, but you know you can

582
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:31.480
<v Speaker 3>get that from watching an episode of CSI, right, So,

583
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, that's what I got for us this week.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you, Shannon, thanks for that. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all for listening, and don't forget to hit

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<v Speaker 2>like or subscribe what you're listening to. And you can

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<v Speaker 2>go to our website if you'd like to listen there.

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00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Shannon's got all the episodes.

589
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<v Speaker 3>Caught up, caught up and updated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm so excited. It's Crimes Andconsequences dot com. There's

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<v Speaker 2>also mr and we got to get the bios updated

592
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<v Speaker 2>because we gotta get her brow. Yeah, we're gonna we're

593
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<v Speaker 2>working on it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm looking for some a nice wig and some

595
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<v Speaker 3>good lashes for the photo shoots. So I'm on the hunt.

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00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 4>I'm on the hunty.

597
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<v Speaker 2>We'll run it through AI.

598
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

599
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll look twenty five, you'll look twenty five. I'll look

600
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<v Speaker 2>twenty five.

601
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 3>Fabulous my personality, that's the most precious anyway.

602
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 4>Course, all right, yes, so and with all of us,

603
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<v Speaker 4>but yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, thanks you guys for joining us. We love you,

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<v Speaker 3>I love you, and I love you.

606
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<v Speaker 2>Tanya I love you too, Shannon, and I'll see you

607
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<v Speaker 2>at our next episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I good Girlssy.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi everyone, Bye guys,
