Speaker 1: And we are back.
Speaker 2: So we got some we got some cool things here.
Still we're on the B tier train tonight. No eight tiers,
no S tiers. We're on that B train all night.
Speaker 1: Baby. Have you seen all of Jessica Jones.
Speaker 3: Yes, I've seen. Come on, Taylor, you know, I've seen
all these Netflix things. The only thing I haven't seen
is uh iron shot? No, no, no, I was gonna say that,
what are the Marvel like one shots?
Speaker 4: What are the was that what they were.
Speaker 1: Called special presentations?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: They were I think they were called the one shots, right,
I haven't seen those.
Speaker 1: I don't know about these one shots.
Speaker 3: And I haven't seen Ironheart, I guess because I came
out today and I have not seen it yet.
Speaker 4: But no, I've seen I saw all the Marvel Netflix things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, including iron Fists.
Speaker 1: Including iron Fist. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: Uh So, then you have to be excited about the
potential of a Jessica Jones revival.
Speaker 4: Not really, so you have not seen that.
Speaker 3: That only seen season one only, and season one is great,
and then it we're nose diving from there on out.
Speaker 4: It's not all bad. There's some good stuff to be found.
In there.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited that she is confirmed to be in
Daredevil season two, and that's just I just want her
in other things.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: But I don't want another season of her show, at
least right now, for the next few years.
Speaker 4: I just I think we're I think I'm good. I
think I'm good with what we got.
Speaker 3: Well not really, it was not great, but that's I
think that's part of the reason why I don't want
more of it. But yeah, I just want her popping
up in other things. I want her in Dared Devil.
I don't even know what the other thing that she
could pop in is. I guess, like you know, she
could show up in a Spider Man movie or something like.
I'd be down for something like that, but mostly as
a character in Daredevil. And then if we ever, if
we get to other street level characters, which another room
you might be bringing up, might be involved in that,
I'm definitely down to see her again. If we ever
get like a Defender's like a team up type thing,
put her on the roster for sure. But yeah, I
actually don't want another season of her show. I'm good
of I'm good on that right now.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: At some point I would like to go back and
rewatch that second Well we watched the first season, then
get into the second and third There's so I can
kind of get to know that character and what's going
on a little bit more. And I also watch Defenders,
but getting another show for her specifically, I'm not over
the moon at this point due to my lack of
familiarity with the character and with the narrative for this character.
Speaker 1: It's a character.
Speaker 2: That I would like to, you know, bring in and
work with Daredevil because I think Dared Devil's kind of
that key in bringing in these other characters that were
introduced prior. So I think that's good, but at its corey,
I don't feel like I necessarily need it. And the
idea of these street level heroes becoming a little bit
more prominent now it's it's not really my cup of tea.
Speaker 1: Like I like Daredevil.
Speaker 2: I had a great time doing that retro and then
doing the review with you guys, but there's something there.
Speaker 1: That it's not the same.
Speaker 2: I didn't get as excited with, you know, I would
have liked a little bit more Daredevil in Spider Man
No Way Home, but just getting Daredevil appearing and that
was I was over the moon. I really like Punisher
and Burnt Thal's portrayal of that character. I'm excited he's
getting a new show and she's gonna be popping in
Spider Man. But like, my excitement is through the roof
of the fact that he is going to be in
Spider Man, and so I like that these street level
heroes are getting a little bit more spotlight. But if
I'm getting another season of you know, a renewal of
Iron Fists coming back, I'm gonna be like, eh, you know,
Luke Cage. I'd like to see those characters be side
by side with another hero that we're familiar with. And
it's funny, those street level characters and their shows Daredevil
or Echo even they just feel very different from your
Hawkeye and your Agatha TV shows.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like, there's just Agatha has a very marvel kind
of feel to it, and then when you go to Echo,
it just doesn't feel marvel at all. It feels very
street level, but not a street level that I'm really
engaged and drawn too, if that makes sense, Not.
Speaker 4: The kind of streets you typically patrol.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I think maybe the way to get around
is like I would be down for when we talked
about this way back in the day with those shows,
is like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage always had really
great chemistry and wanted to see more of them, and
I feel like that was kind of underused. Really is
like the dynamic between them and in crossover stuff, like
he would pop in a couple times. I forget if
he popped into her show or if she just mostly
popped into his, or no, wait, it was the opposite
way around. I can't remember anymore than obviously Defenders, but
I feel like a team up show between them could
be cool and that would be more of like a
halfway to Defenders kind of thing. But I feel like,
weirdly Luke Cage my culture there is is like not
I don't think we've ever covered a rumor of him
popping in the MCU, Like, I don't feel like it's
ever been an interest for Marvel for some reason. I
don't know why that is, and maybe I'm missing some
of these rumors or haven't been on those weekly geeks
or something, but yeah, I just feel like that's a
character who has not popped up in the rumors at all.
Iron Fist, I feel like he's even popped up once
or twice, But yeah, I feel like he doesn't seem
to be part of the equation, so that I don't
know if that idea of a team up show with
him and Jessica Jones is really likely at all.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that makes sense. You'll have to wait and
see and see what they do.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're part of this rumor is that the
studios are going to be focusing more on like the
ground industry, little stories similar to the Netflix shows, but
on top of that, like the big events will be
saved for the film. So I think we were talking
about that before, where they're kind of maybe drifting away
from having some of these things and the TV shows
because that's the problem. You got to watch the show
to kind of understand what's going on in the movies,
and you don't you don't want that because not everyone's
gonna be watching eight episodes of this one show and
then seven episodes of this other show and so forth.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they've really struggled to decide like how
much stakes the TV show should have, and then it
feels sometimes a little off when a show does have
like way higher stakes than it feels like it should.
It's like Miss Marvel, we shouldn't have got to some
of those levels we got to, like, let's like dial
it back a little bit. And so I think this
is good, but also that could mean that people are
like less excited by it now. You know, if we
just really buckled down and get some really great writers
with really great scripts, like, people are gonna be interested
in that as like a different kind of flavor. And
I think that's a good idea to go for, rather
than making it feel like, okay, like a discount version
of something you'd get in the movies, which is definitely
what's been occurring somewhat.
Speaker 4: So I think it makes sense the big events, keep
those for.
Speaker 3: The big screen and then like street level stuff for
the for the shows. I guess that like man, just
talking about that a bit more really throws up in
the air, like this Punisher like special feature that we've
got an announcement of now, it's like with him appearing
like seemingly being becoming a bigger character, you know in
the Daredevil show, he's inspier Man in the movie, Like,
what is their.
Speaker 4: Objective with that?
Speaker 3: Then like, do they want that to be a big
deal that they wanted that to be just like a
thing you can skip, or they wanted to be something
that's like, Okay, it's not quite a show. You don't
have to spend as much time doing homework. You should
watch this before. Like, I feel like the messaging of
that is gonna be extremely interesting to see how much
they market that or how much they I don't know,
incentivize us to watch that, like for the general audience,
if people are gonna be keeping up to day on that.
Speaker 4: So we'll have to.
Speaker 3: See, because that's kind of a weird anomally in terms
of like really making this delineation between what the.
Speaker 4: Shows and the movies are.
Speaker 3: But then you just have one special feature that's still
in the works, So we'll have to wait and see
what the I don't know how big and juicy that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do not know too.
Speaker 2: With the idea that in the Daredevil show and Born
Again you have Kingpin becoming Mayor of New York and
even the slight mention of Spider Man and that show, right,
it's gonna be interesting because we all know where Spider
Man left off and how he's just kind of incognito now,
and no one knows that Peter Parker is in his world,
and so we're gonna get into Spider Man brand new
day and like off the hop or we're gonna just
have them like, oh, the new mayor of New York
City has dispatched his own like anti vigilante group that's
taken down vigilantes and whatnot, and then they were just
gonna have Peter just trying to hide out and survive
against that.
Speaker 1: But people are be like, Okay, what's the context here?
Speaker 2: They may not have watched Born Against, they don't know
all this backstory of this history of these cops that
are like pro Punisher that have been turned anti vigilante
by Kingpins. Is because it's a very woven narrative, I'd
say so.
Speaker 3: And it's hard to envision that us as a viewer
would feel like that's all a threat to Spider Man,
a character who we've seen in these huge Avengers movies
and like fighting other superpowered characters and sometimes winning. It's
like it's hard to believe, SAOs, Yeah, exactly, hard to
believe that like some cops who like aren't that great
at their job.
Speaker 4: Are gonna be able to do anything or scare him
at all.
Speaker 3: That maybe they'd I don't know, maybe that would incentivize
them a bit to still like kind of work in
the shadows and not be super public. But I think
that's kind of his goal anyway, because that was part
of the lesson of My Home, is like you get
too attached to people and get too connected, and you know,
then that is like puts a target on those people's back, right, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, But then who knows.
Speaker 3: Those characters are still appearing in this next movie, So
we'll have to see what they do with Spider Man
if they just kind of want eighty something like the
lessons that.
Speaker 4: We're meant to be learned there. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm really curious to see how they kind of inter
revolt Kingpin stuff with Spider Man, or if it's just
kind of hand waved and New York. New York's a
big place, you know, that's happening on like the north
side of town and Spider Man's over in the south
side of town, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, Yeah, Well, anything else you want to add
to the Marvel rumors?
Speaker 1: You're ready to move on, move can.
Speaker 2: Move Okay, well, our next juicy topic here, devoid of Marvel.
It's a blumhouse. They have purchased saw not the tool,
but the franchise.
Speaker 4: Maybe a tool as well to make some sets, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Oh yeah, you need a few saws.
Speaker 2: Yeah, James wand Leo went out, are returning to help
with a fresh start.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so some kind of legacy saw people coming back
to maybe help out. But it's like, I guess that's kind
of the tricky part is we don't really know to
what extent, right, Is it just like a producer credit
and they put some money in there. Is it like
they redescript and give a feedback. Is it like they're
they're on set offering advice here and there. We'll have
to kind of wait and see. Or if it's just
the names, you know sometimes they do that, just throw
some money, throw a bag of money at their feet,
and like then they're gonna put their name on the poster,
like James waand it's like the guy who directed the
original on his back.
Speaker 4: You know, that kind of hype cycle thing. So what
point and see? I mean, I think this is a
lot of up in the air.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of Blowhouse stuff is very
hitt and missed right now, and like they've been investing
a ton of video games. They've been getting into gaming space,
so it's an interesting time for that company, and so
obviously this is a big now that I think about it, actually,
I think that's.
Speaker 4: Maybe got me a little more hype.
Speaker 3: Like I'm curious to see if this turns into a
game in some way too, because they got their rights
and I don't know if I sends to games or
how that really works and all that fine print of
these contracts and stuff. But yeah, they have been investing
a ton of games, and i'd be curious to see
if they, you know, invest in some weird, small indie studio,
because that's what they've been doing a lot of their games.
Not like huge, big Triple A games, but just like smaller,
weird indie kind of stuff. I'd be down to that
get like a new Saw game in the mix there.
I don't know what that would look like exactly, but
i'd be down to see something like that. So that's
kind of maybe a side to this I didn't really considered,
but it'd be cool.
Speaker 4: But otherwise, you know, it's kind of just a wait
and see situation.
Speaker 3: I wish I could give them some more interesting commentary
on it, but like, really, until we get some I
don't know, some names of like people writing scripts, names
of people doing some directing, get some confirmation of characters,
it's it's hard to feel one way or another about this.
Speaker 4: And like, I love Saw, but we've also got so
much sauce.
Speaker 3: So like if if we never got to Saw them again,
like I'm fine, I'll live, and if we get another
one every year, like I'll go see them. But like
I you know, it's it's not earth shattering stuff. Even
when the most recent one came out and we all
really liked it, but like, you know, it's not like
a hit, a huge dent on like the Golden Geeks
or anything like that.
Speaker 4: It's just like these moves are fun, kind of cheap thrills.
You know.
Speaker 3: It's like they're popcorn movies and you know they are
what they are. But uh yeah, curious to see in
like maybe three or four years when we finally get
another one with that, or it could be sooner, maybe
things have quicker production.
Speaker 4: Cycles, but I'm curious to see what it is. I'll
be there for sure.
Speaker 3: I'll check it out. I don't know, are you feeling
any different me? Are you feeling any sort of way
about this or kind of just wait and see?
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I I do love Saw, And whenever
people bring up Saw and how they're disgusted to buy.
Speaker 1: And whatnot, I'm always defending the fact that, hey.
Speaker 2: It's actually got like a moral story involved here, and
it is obviously like torture porn, but there's there is
an interesting narrative involved there, there's more to it. Yeah,
So getting that last one was just a delight and
it was a great palate cleanser after what we had
before with uh so I speak for the dead. The
one Jigsaw, I can't if it jigs are a spiral?
Which one came last Book of Saw? I think spiral
was the last.
Speaker 3: One spiral the Book of Saw. And then yeah, what
was the most recent one called? Didn't even have a title?
Speaker 4: Was there just eleven? I can't even remember anymore?
Speaker 2: My god, I think it was just yeah, the numeracle
roman numeral, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Jesus, where are we at? And Saw movies? I think
it was ten, right, I think.
Speaker 1: It was ten? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh and so yeah, they announced they were doing another
one and that one just kind of just fall into
the wayside. But the idea of doing a a fresh start.
Speaker 1: So that's one of the other rumors here.
Speaker 2: No news on their exact roles, obviously, we talked about
the writing, producing, et cetera. But the rumor that this
is a reboot, Oh, that just feels so exhausting because
you've you've built up this whole world and I guess
you you run out of possibilities because these characters are
all uh, I mean, you have them doing their own
spinoff anthology kind of journeys, even though it's all part
of the main game that was established in those earlier
Saw films and everything is tied to Jake Saw. Uh
So I don't know, you can't really run with anthology
stories anymore. You kind of have to do a reboot,
even though it doesn't excite me as much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I suit you mean, I guess I just
feel like with you know, John Kramer, like this Sky's
actors get a little bit older, you know, like how
long is he able to do this kind of thing?
And like if you don't have him, what do you have?
Like what's the point of continuing on? Like the other
characters who like could be the disciple type that we've
always talked about, Like maybe the best path is to
go with the reboot. And yeah, whether or not, they
kind of aim for the same type of character there,
and they cast someone who's going to play that character
for years, Like, you know, they got to get that
casting right.
Speaker 4: They have to nail it.
Speaker 3: Do you think a lot of people, Oh God, give
me that, you know, put that on the dock at
someone like that will be a draft. We have to
do casting all the characters. Yeah, so I'll save my
thoughts thing, give me some time of pre prepare for that.
I'll write that down. We should definitely do that in
the next couple of years, you know, write that down.
But yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot of
good potential there. I just feel like, you know, when
you get to a movie like these movies have so
many twists and different timelines and things are happening out
of order and stuff. At some point it becomes a
jigsaw puzzle that is impossible to put together because the
pieces don't fit and there's too many and this piece
is like ten times bigger than this one. This one's
small and like on a slant and like doesn't and
they just don't fit together. It doesn't make any sense,
and so to build off of that, it feels like
a losing battle. And like when sometimes these other one
like the Spiral which we got, just felt like so
unconnected from the other movies, like almost entirely right like,
because then I feel like that's kind of at that point,
why don't you just reboot?
Speaker 4: If you're already in a point where.
Speaker 3: Things are so messy and convoluted that it makes more
sense to just have a movie kind of almost irrelevantly
connected to the other ones. I feel like, yeah, maybe
it's maybe it's time for a reboot. And honestly, I
don't think. I don't think my high level like changes.
Speaker 4: Really one way or the other. Uh what we do there?
Speaker 3: I feel like the potential Saw is kind of still there,
So I'm open to the reboot.
Speaker 4: Realm of things.
Speaker 2: Cool, yeah to Uh, it's just so many, so many
freaking movies that we've we've checked off so far, my goodness,
and it's gonna be hard to top that that original
one just in the bathroom and everything we got there.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean I hope we don't get
like a remake of that for a rebate. I hope
we get something fresh and new, but still like you know,
taking some of those fun ideas. It'll be hard to
pull off a move moment like that again though, we're
like a body in the room, you know, wakes up at.
Speaker 4: Some point like I don't know, we can expecting it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, but a new new era you know of
soft fans don't know what that twist perhaps, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: Next generation, that's the thing called it saw the next
gen Magdalorin and Grogu generation