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Speaker 1: a Tuesday Morning, January twenty eight. Since it's Tuesday, it's
Speaker 1: a Tech Tuesday with Rich Demurrow, who has heard every
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Speaker 1: the kt He's also the KTLA everyday tech reporter. Rich
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Speaker 1: TV Morning Rich, Rich?
Speaker 2: Are you there? Do we not have Rich?
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna hear a toilet flesh in about two seconds.
Speaker 2: Just wait, dude, dodu do Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1: It is so we have a loss to connection with Okay,
Speaker 1: you got it all right?
Speaker 2: So Neil, all right, how's things doing with you?
Speaker 1: By the way, wella's backup that we do that we
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Speaker 3: So, Neil, I want to tell you about Rich's newsletter,
Speaker 3: which is fantastic. Okay, I get his newsletter as great information.
Speaker 3: And what else do you want to talk tech about?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a new phone because my phone doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Well, it does work. Have you noticed? I think I'm
Speaker 2: going to talk to rich about this. My phone is
Speaker 2: basically a year old.
Speaker 1: I have an iPhone I know the latest, I don't know,
Speaker 1: BLASTO five thousand, whatever the hell it is. And the
Speaker 1: battery is dying. I mean, come on, really, the battery
Speaker 1: is going south. And I'm told you just don't go
Speaker 1: in and get a battery, you get a new phone.
Speaker 2: And then I have this T Mobile business.
Speaker 1: Where you know, you buy a new phone, all you
Speaker 1: have to do is sign on level year contract and
Speaker 1: you get a free phone, whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, let's.
Speaker 1: Talk about the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: I'm out you think they have phones.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think your battery should be dying after
Speaker 3: a year.
Speaker 2: That's true. All right, before, we're going to take a
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Speaker 1: It's Tech Tuesday, which means Richard Morrows with us our
Speaker 1: tech guy, and rich I want to point something out
Speaker 1: since this is our tech segment.
Speaker 2: I find it.
Speaker 1: Ironic that we were having tech problems getting you on
Speaker 1: the air this morning.
Speaker 2: Isn't that great?
Speaker 5: Bill? It's the reason I stay employed. Come on, I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm a whole show dedicated to tech issues.
Speaker 2: No, I get it. And you should have heard us
Speaker 2: spin while you were gone.
Speaker 1: We were Neil and I were just all over the place,
Speaker 1: just having a good time, and there's plenty to talk about,
Speaker 1: but we decided we'd rather sound stupid than, of course,
Speaker 1: give you information.
Speaker 2: Okay, The big story, and I mean the big story.
Speaker 1: Is about that Chinese startup, Deep Seek, and I talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about it this morning. Obviously, my expertise
Speaker 1: in this one is limited versus your understanding and you
Speaker 1: looking into this, it is extraordinarily important both on a
Speaker 1: technical aspect of a technical level, geopolitical level, financial level.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to let you dive into this and
Speaker 1: talk about what this means and what it will mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so many aspects to this, but deep seek at
Speaker 5: its basic core is, you know, the Chinese equivalent of
Speaker 5: chat GPT. So they're doing what open ai is doing.
Speaker 5: They came out with the chatbot that you can ask
Speaker 5: questions to do research with whatever you need to do.
Speaker 5: It's very similar to what chat GBT offers. But the
Speaker 5: big difference is that they say they have created this
Speaker 5: at a fraction of the price that US companies have
Speaker 5: invested in their AI. So the implications, like you said,
Speaker 5: are far reaching because not only does this mean hey, wait,
Speaker 5: it's a gut check for Silicon Valley here in the US,
Speaker 5: but also for investors who have put all this money
Speaker 5: into Nvidia saying, oh, these these chips are going to
Speaker 5: be the future of everything, and they're expensive and you know,
Speaker 5: of course we saw the stock take a dive yesterday.
Speaker 5: But also, like you said, the geopolitical implications, like if
Speaker 5: Americans start using deep seek in a big way, what
Speaker 5: are the implications to privacy and the stuff that we've
Speaker 5: seen with TikTok So. A lot surrounding this, but the
Speaker 5: bottom line is it's gone from zero to one hundred
Speaker 5: pretty much overnight, and the app is now number one
Speaker 5: for both the iPhone and Android. And it's a Chinese
Speaker 5: version of chat ChiPT basically, but it works in English
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the geopolitical aspect also has to do with
Speaker 1: China being ahead of us technologically, which the Trump administration
Speaker 1: has rightly said, we do not want that to happen.
Speaker 2: We have to stay ahead of China, particularly with.
Speaker 1: These trade wars, and simply because their enemies of ours
Speaker 1: are not enemies, certainly adversaries. You had said that, Oh,
Speaker 1: and the power also the power that it takes, the
Speaker 1: energy that it takes to run the AI with the
Speaker 1: US made chips. Now you said, they say it can
Speaker 1: do the same thing the Chinese. What is your take
Speaker 1: on this?
Speaker 2: Is it real? Is it not? Rechael?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, look, I mean like everyone else have
Speaker 5: tried it and you know, tested it out. It's giving
Speaker 5: it answers that seem very much in line with what
Speaker 5: open ai does or what Google's Gemini may do. Is
Speaker 5: it as full featured? Perhaps not? But the other aspect
Speaker 5: of this is not only do they make this for
Speaker 5: a less financial amount, but they also kind of came
Speaker 5: up with a efficiency in the way that AI is conducted.
Speaker 5: So these computers don't necessarily computate the entire question all
Speaker 5: at once. They look for kind of patterns in the
Speaker 5: questions that people ask, and if it's already figured something out,
Speaker 5: it doesn't need to rehash that. And I think that's
Speaker 5: a big differentiator from what open ai and chat gbt
Speaker 5: is doing because we've heard bill so much about the
Speaker 5: energy and computing resources that AI takes. So if China
Speaker 5: did crack something in the code to say, hey, look
Speaker 5: we can do this, not only does it cost less
Speaker 5: to set it up, but it should cost less over time.
Speaker 5: It up ends so many things and so many assumptions
Speaker 5: we've had about AI. Chatchybt charges twenty dollars a month
Speaker 5: for you know, consumers if they want the premium version,
Speaker 5: or two hundred dollars a month for the super pro version,
Speaker 5: whereas this company is saying they can do it for
Speaker 5: even cheaper than that as well.
Speaker 1: And I mean this guy who started it is Chinese.
Speaker 1: He owns a hedge fund. I mean just what a
Speaker 1: brilliant man. And he's only twelve years old. I understand
Speaker 1: because all of those guys I was.
Speaker 5: Born in nineteen eighty five and he runs eight billion
Speaker 5: dollar hedge fund, so you know, and he's been fast.
Speaker 5: He's not an overnight success like this guy has done
Speaker 5: things before in the past. It's just that I think
Speaker 5: they wanted to take everyone by surprise with this. The
Speaker 5: other aspect of Bill is that, by the way, this
Speaker 5: is all open source. What does that mean. It means
Speaker 5: that anyone can take their model for free and use it.
Speaker 5: So that means if you're sitting there trying to use
Speaker 5: you know, CHATCHYBT on the back end of your new
Speaker 5: tech product, and you're paying them ten thousand dollars a
Speaker 5: month for their uh, you know, for the ability to
Speaker 5: use that, now you might say, oh, actually, we'll just
Speaker 5: take this free, open source model and we'll modify it
Speaker 5: and make it our own. And by the way, it's free.
Speaker 1: And uh, just just a quick word about the politics
Speaker 1: of all this, because of course Trump administration talks about
Speaker 1: China being such an adversary and we have to stay ahead.
Speaker 2: They released this the day that Trump was inaugurated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I read.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it took it took a bit for
Speaker 5: people to notice it, but you're right. I mean, look this,
Speaker 5: I mean, any any country in the world right now
Speaker 5: wants to be a superpower and AI because it is
Speaker 5: the future. It is where everyone is looking. And of
Speaker 5: course China is a big country. They've got a lot
Speaker 5: of resources, They make a lot of the chips that
Speaker 5: are out there, they have a lot of this knowledge.
Speaker 5: And so the fact is the US is seen as
Speaker 5: a superpower, but this just put a dent in that.
Speaker 5: And it remains to be seen just how much this
Speaker 5: is going to have an impact in the US. If
Speaker 5: it's anything like TikTok, it could be pretty big. But also,
Speaker 5: like you said, it does have political ramifications and also
Speaker 5: you know, security and privacy ramifications as well. People are
Speaker 5: going to be putting a lot of personal information into
Speaker 5: this chatbot and.
Speaker 2: It's Chinese owned. All right, Rich, thank you. We'll talk
Speaker 2: again next Wednesday and we'll do two segments probably you
Speaker 2: take care good.
Speaker 1: All right, Coming up, the CDC has been ordered to
Speaker 1: stop talking with the World Health Organization. I mean that
Speaker 1: one took everybody for a spin. And I'll share that
Speaker 1: information with you and then just a fun, fun story
Speaker 1: as we end up. Do you have a favorite child?
Speaker 1: Were you a favorite child? There's some studies that just
Speaker 1: came out, a big one that just came out, and
Speaker 1: of course a personal story.
Speaker 4: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
Speaker 4: six forty.
Speaker 1: There is a memo that was just sent to senior
Speaker 1: leaders at the CDC saying all staff.
Speaker 2: Who work with the World Health Organization have to stop.
Speaker 1: They can't talk to the World Health Organization anymore and
Speaker 1: have to wait further guidance.
Speaker 2: And man, this was a surprise to everybody.
Speaker 1: Now let me tell you what the who does with
Speaker 1: the CDC stops outbreaks of Marlberg virus MPOs in Africa,
Speaker 1: brewing global threats, and we have the bird flu monitoring
Speaker 1: among us livestock that the World Health Organization is dealing with,
Speaker 1: and it applies to CDC staff, I mean across the board,
Speaker 1: working groups, coordinating centers, advisory boards, any other means of
Speaker 1: connecting in person or virtual. CDC staff can't even visit
Speaker 1: World Health Organization offices and if there is no street
Speaker 1: parking in front of the World Health Organization, they're not
Speaker 1: allowed to park anywhere on the street in front of
Speaker 1: the WHO offices.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's not true. I just made that
Speaker 2: one up.
Speaker 1: The point is that no one understands why the US
Speaker 1: is withdrawing from the World Health Organization.
Speaker 2: And here's the other one.
Speaker 1: Leaving the WHO requires the approval of Congress. US has
Speaker 1: to meet its financial obligation for the current fistal year.
Speaker 1: The US has to give a one year notice. None
Speaker 1: of that has happened. The Trump administration has just unilaterally
Speaker 1: said we're done with the World Health Organization.
Speaker 2: Now there's stuff that makes sense that the Trump.
Speaker 1: People are doing, and then some that you go please,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, some stuff it doesn't matter. The
Speaker 1: Gulf of America, that doesn't matter. Pulling out of the
Speaker 1: World Health Organization. But that's no joke. And the president
Speaker 1: also froze spending on something called PEPFAR, the President's Emergency
Speaker 1: Plan for AIDS Relief that stopped. That's an anti HIV
Speaker 1: program credited with saving twenty five million lives five and
Speaker 1: a half million children, started by President h President George W. Bush,
Speaker 1: and it's included and the Trump administration's freeze on foreign
Speaker 1: aid spending that lasts at least ninety days while they
Speaker 1: look at it. My god, I hope that the administration
Speaker 1: does not cut it off or not dealing with the
Speaker 1: World Health Organization.
Speaker 2: I mean, please, I mean, is there a reason for it?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Maybe there is, maybe there's a good reason. But as
Speaker 1: I've said several times, we're going to see a shakeup
Speaker 1: of the government that already started day one. And this
Speaker 1: one is this is the World Health Organization? How political
Speaker 1: can that be?
Speaker 2: What is going on?
Speaker 1: I mean, the CDC and the who talk to each other,
Speaker 1: the scientists deal with each other, the researchers send each
Speaker 1: other the research, and that's been cut off.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe I gotta tell you I I have.
Speaker 1: To look at this and we'll see how it can
Speaker 1: be explained because I don't get it. This one I
Speaker 1: don't get. Now, let's just have fun. Let's end it
Speaker 1: with fun today because its been pretty serious. Do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite child? Are you a favorite child? Do
Speaker 1: your parents hate you or did hate you? Uh?
Speaker 2: There is a massive new study that just come out
Speaker 2: just about that. And then a couple of personal stories
Speaker 2: I want to share with you.
Speaker 1: One incredibly political run a Ronald Reagan story, which is
Speaker 1: kind of fun.
Speaker 2: I'll start with that one. When we come back.
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Speaker 1: After the show off the air, I'm taking phone calls
Speaker 1: for Handle on the Law. If you have a marginal
Speaker 1: legal question, I will answer it off the air, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna go through them pretty quickly. In the numbers
Speaker 1: eight seven seven five to zero eleven fifty eight seven
Speaker 1: seven five to zero eleven fifty.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you a story.
Speaker 1: At one point I broadcast Handle on the Law at
Speaker 1: an outside studio and next to me was Michael Reagan,
Speaker 1: who was broadcasting the son of Ronald Reagan, and we
Speaker 1: used to hang out, we talk, and I asked him
Speaker 1: one day, Michael, you and your sister Maureen were adopted
Speaker 1: when Ronald Reagan was married to Maureen O'Hara and Nancy Reagan,
Speaker 1: and your dad had.
Speaker 2: Two biological children. Were you treated differently?
Speaker 1: And he said, well, first of all, my dad didn't
Speaker 1: pay attention to any of us. My mom, my mom,
Speaker 1: and remember that I was adopted by mareno harre and
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan. My mom, Nancy Reagan hated all of us equally.
Speaker 1: There was no favorite child, and So there's a study
Speaker 1: that just came out, and it's a big one that
Speaker 1: just came out that involved many studies, and it had
Speaker 1: to do with do you have a favorite child? And
Speaker 1: most of us will say you don't. I don't have
Speaker 1: a favorite child. There are certain aspects of one kid
Speaker 1: I like, there are certain aspects of another kid, the
Speaker 1: other child I have. I have two versions of my
Speaker 1: family trust. One has well actually three versions. One has
Speaker 1: all the kids both kids in it, one has only
Speaker 1: one and the other one has the other one. And
Speaker 1: every time I get into a fight with one of them,
Speaker 1: I show them the trust where the other one gets
Speaker 1: all the money.
Speaker 2: And I do the.
Speaker 1: Same thing when I get into a fight, for example,
Speaker 1: with Barbara, I show the trust that Pamela gets all
Speaker 1: the money. So do I have a favorite child? I
Speaker 1: don't think so I try.
Speaker 2: To treat each of them equally. The reality is most
Speaker 2: of us do have a favorite child. If you have
Speaker 2: multiple kids, and birth.
Speaker 1: Order may have something to do with temperament, gender, the
Speaker 1: way the kids relate to you. Favoritism can be temporary
Speaker 1: in my case, for example, doesn't mean you're immune from preferring.
Speaker 2: To spend time with one or the other.
Speaker 1: Maybe you just like one more than the other, You
Speaker 1: just have the same interests with one more than the other.
Speaker 2: But here's what the study shows.
Speaker 1: Favorite children have better mental health, better grades, more ability
Speaker 1: to regulate their emotions, healthier relationships.
Speaker 2: Kids who get preferential treatments just do better.
Speaker 1: The other side is they may get over indulge and
Speaker 1: they don't have the skills that they need to be
Speaker 1: taught for later in life. Also, they might get the
Speaker 1: message they have to perform in certain ways to get
Speaker 1: attention and care. And so let me ask you, Neil,
Speaker 1: you know you have kids who do you like better?
Speaker 2: Max or Max? Oh?
Speaker 3: I gotta say Max. I will tell you a funny story.
Speaker 5: Though.
Speaker 3: There's seven kids of my family, of which I'm number six,
Speaker 3: and six of us are boys. And my brother Craig
Speaker 3: wrote my mom or sent my mom a gift and
Speaker 3: wrote a note saying, from your favorite son, and she
Speaker 3: called me to thank me.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
Speaker 1: That works out all right, guys. We are done for today.
Speaker 1: We start all over all over again tomorrow. I think
Speaker 1: Amy comes back tomorrow. Michael, who has been with us
Speaker 1: the last two days, Michael, thank you.
Speaker 2: You have been extraordinarily mediocre. I appreciate. I know Amy
Speaker 2: is the favorite child here. You know what she's not?
Speaker 1: She really isn't, but she has a contract and there's
Speaker 1: not much I can do about it. Neil, once again
Speaker 1: the look. Elmer is off tomorrow too, who also.
Speaker 2: Has been extraordinarily mediocre.
Speaker 1: Kono comes back. If that makes you feel any better,
Speaker 1: Old Elmer. He's not so hot either. Neil and I
Speaker 1: come back with Ann A lot going on. Also, phone calls.
Speaker 1: I'm taking handle on the law phone calls off the air.
Speaker 1: It's eight seven seven five two zero eleven fifty. I'm
Speaker 1: starting in just a moment and tell you what happens
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Speaker 1: and no patience on my part. So as you can imagine,
Speaker 1: I go through them pretty quickly. The number eight seven
Speaker 1: seven five to zero eleven fifty.
Speaker 2: You can call.
Speaker 1: I'll start literally in just a minute or two eight
Speaker 1: seven seven five to zero eleven fifty.
Speaker 2: We do it again tomorrow. This Oh, Gary and Shannon
Speaker 2: up next.
Speaker 1: I think they're in, aren't they? This last few weeks
Speaker 1: I've been gone Gary and Shannon are up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Always a fun show with Gary and Shannon. This is
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