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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to kf I Am six forty. The bill

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<v Speaker 1>handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio f It is

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<v Speaker 1>a Tuesday Morning, January twenty eight. Since it's Tuesday, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Tech Tuesday with Rich Demurrow, who has heard every

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday here on KFI eleven am to two pm. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the kt He's also the KTLA everyday tech reporter. Rich

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram at Rich on tech website, richon tech dot

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<v Speaker 1>TV Morning Rich, Rich?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you there? Do we not have Rich?

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<v Speaker 1>You're probably gonna hear a toilet flesh in about two seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wait, dude, dodu do Okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so we have a loss to connection with Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you got it all right?

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<v Speaker 2>So Neil, all right, how's things doing with you?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, wella's backup that we do that we

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<v Speaker 1>have just in case.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Neil, I want to tell you about Rich's newsletter,

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<v Speaker 3>which is fantastic. Okay, I get his newsletter as great information.

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<v Speaker 3>And what else do you want to talk tech about?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get a new phone because my phone doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it does work. Have you noticed? I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk to rich about this. My phone is

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<v Speaker 2>basically a year old.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an iPhone I know the latest, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>BLASTO five thousand, whatever the hell it is. And the

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<v Speaker 1>battery is dying. I mean, come on, really, the battery

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<v Speaker 1>is going south. And I'm told you just don't go

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<v Speaker 1>in and get a battery, you get a new phone.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I have this T Mobile business.

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<v Speaker 1>Where you know, you buy a new phone, all you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is sign on level year contract and

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<v Speaker 1>you get a free phone, whatever the hell it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, hey, let's.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out you think they have phones.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think your battery should be dying after

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<v Speaker 3>a year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. All right, before, we're going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>break in just a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, I'm having a good time spinning and trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what to talk about. But actually there is

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<v Speaker 1>fun to watch. I just wanted to have a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me tell you about a few things that

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<v Speaker 1>I should be talking about. First of all, we do

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<v Speaker 1>a segment called Ask Handle Anything, and we do that

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<v Speaker 1>every single Friday now from May thirty to nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>And we started this because people ask a lot of questions,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, private questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Bill, what are you doing? What do you eat?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about you know, this marriage that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen coming up with March, And so you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask me questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I answer them, and I'm pretty upfront about answering questions.

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<v Speaker 1>If you listen for the first few weeks, you saw

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<v Speaker 1>me and getting a while feeling a lot humiliated because

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<v Speaker 1>I was humiliating myself.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here's what the way we do it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You go to the iHeart app during the show and

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<v Speaker 1>go to the KFI page and at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the right hand corner on the KFI page is a

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<v Speaker 1>microphone and you click onto that microphone and then you

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<v Speaker 1>have fifteen seconds to ask a question.

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<v Speaker 2>It's ask handle anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know whose idea that was, but I dove

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<v Speaker 1>right into it. I dived right into it, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was some fun questions, by the way, and I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>upfront about it. Neil, have you noticed that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>shy about asking questions. And I've been around for so long,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for those of you that have been listening

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<v Speaker 1>for any length of time.

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<v Speaker 2>In what is it.

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<v Speaker 1>Lie, it's thirty one years that I've been broadcasting this show. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be thirty two years that I've been broadcasting this show.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, ask handle anything. I don't want your opinion

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<v Speaker 1>about anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't talk politics politics if you want, just not

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion of politics, Okay, and then Neil and and.

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<v Speaker 2>Choose the questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hear them until you hear them on the air,

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<v Speaker 1>so I get to answer them. And some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty stupid. We talked about what have we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about my cocaine addiction?

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<v Speaker 2>And what else? Solid question? That was a solid question.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about it. What else? What other personal? Weird questions?

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<v Speaker 2>How the Palace got its name?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, yes to how the Persian Palace got its name?

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. I sold the Persian Palace. I was asked

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<v Speaker 1>how much I sold it for? Of your damn business?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I going to do when I retire at

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<v Speaker 1>some point? I mean, it's not going to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to last another ten years. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of questions. Hey, by the way, Elmer, do we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>our guy yet? That's a yes or no question, Elmer,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking a break. But do we have them when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back. Interesting that we have a tech segment.

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<v Speaker 1>What okay, so we'll come back with a break. Interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a tech segment. Think about that for a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and we couldn't connect.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I

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<v Speaker 4>am six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Tech Tuesday, which means Richard Morrows with us our

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<v Speaker 1>tech guy, and rich I want to point something out

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<v Speaker 1>since this is our tech segment.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ironic that we were having tech problems getting you on

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<v Speaker 1>the air this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that great?

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<v Speaker 5>Bill? It's the reason I stay employed. Come on, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a whole show dedicated to tech issues.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I get it. And you should have heard us

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<v Speaker 2>spin while you were gone.

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<v Speaker 1>We were Neil and I were just all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>just having a good time, and there's plenty to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>but we decided we'd rather sound stupid than, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>give you information.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, The big story, and I mean the big story.

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<v Speaker 1>Is about that Chinese startup, Deep Seek, and I talked

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about it this morning. Obviously, my expertise

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<v Speaker 1>in this one is limited versus your understanding and you

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<v Speaker 1>looking into this, it is extraordinarily important both on a

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<v Speaker 1>technical aspect of a technical level, geopolitical level, financial level.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to let you dive into this and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what this means and what it will mean.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so many aspects to this, but deep seek at

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<v Speaker 5>its basic core is, you know, the Chinese equivalent of

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<v Speaker 5>chat GPT. So they're doing what open ai is doing.

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<v Speaker 5>They came out with the chatbot that you can ask

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<v Speaker 5>questions to do research with whatever you need to do.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very similar to what chat GBT offers. But the

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<v Speaker 5>big difference is that they say they have created this

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<v Speaker 5>at a fraction of the price that US companies have

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<v Speaker 5>invested in their AI. So the implications, like you said,

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<v Speaker 5>are far reaching because not only does this mean hey, wait,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a gut check for Silicon Valley here in the US,

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<v Speaker 5>but also for investors who have put all this money

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<v Speaker 5>into Nvidia saying, oh, these these chips are going to

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<v Speaker 5>be the future of everything, and they're expensive and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>of course we saw the stock take a dive yesterday.

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<v Speaker 5>But also, like you said, the geopolitical implications, like if

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<v Speaker 5>Americans start using deep seek in a big way, what

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<v Speaker 5>are the implications to privacy and the stuff that we've

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<v Speaker 5>seen with TikTok So. A lot surrounding this, but the

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<v Speaker 5>bottom line is it's gone from zero to one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>pretty much overnight, and the app is now number one

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<v Speaker 5>for both the iPhone and Android. And it's a Chinese

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<v Speaker 5>version of chat ChiPT basically, but it works in English

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the geopolitical aspect also has to do with

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<v Speaker 1>China being ahead of us technologically, which the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>has rightly said, we do not want that to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to stay ahead of China, particularly with.

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<v Speaker 1>These trade wars, and simply because their enemies of ours

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<v Speaker 1>are not enemies, certainly adversaries. You had said that, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and the power also the power that it takes, the

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<v Speaker 1>energy that it takes to run the AI with the

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<v Speaker 1>US made chips. Now you said, they say it can

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing the Chinese. What is your take

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<v Speaker 1>on this?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it real? Is it not? Rechael?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean, look, I mean like everyone else have

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<v Speaker 5>tried it and you know, tested it out. It's giving

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<v Speaker 5>it answers that seem very much in line with what

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<v Speaker 5>open ai does or what Google's Gemini may do. Is

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<v Speaker 5>it as full featured? Perhaps not? But the other aspect

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<v Speaker 5>of this is not only do they make this for

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<v Speaker 5>a less financial amount, but they also kind of came

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<v Speaker 5>up with a efficiency in the way that AI is conducted.

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<v Speaker 5>So these computers don't necessarily computate the entire question all

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<v Speaker 5>at once. They look for kind of patterns in the

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<v Speaker 5>questions that people ask, and if it's already figured something out,

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't need to rehash that. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>a big differentiator from what open ai and chat gbt

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<v Speaker 5>is doing because we've heard bill so much about the

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<v Speaker 5>energy and computing resources that AI takes. So if China

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<v Speaker 5>did crack something in the code to say, hey, look

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<v Speaker 5>we can do this, not only does it cost less

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<v Speaker 5>to set it up, but it should cost less over time.

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<v Speaker 5>It up ends so many things and so many assumptions

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<v Speaker 5>we've had about AI. Chatchybt charges twenty dollars a month

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<v Speaker 5>for you know, consumers if they want the premium version,

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<v Speaker 5>or two hundred dollars a month for the super pro version,

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<v Speaker 5>whereas this company is saying they can do it for

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<v Speaker 5>even cheaper than that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean this guy who started it is Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>He owns a hedge fund. I mean just what a

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<v Speaker 1>brilliant man. And he's only twelve years old. I understand

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<v Speaker 1>because all of those guys I was.

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<v Speaker 5>Born in nineteen eighty five and he runs eight billion

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<v Speaker 5>dollar hedge fund, so you know, and he's been fast.

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<v Speaker 5>He's not an overnight success like this guy has done

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<v Speaker 5>things before in the past. It's just that I think

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<v Speaker 5>they wanted to take everyone by surprise with this. The

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<v Speaker 5>other aspect of Bill is that, by the way, this

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<v Speaker 5>is all open source. What does that mean. It means

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<v Speaker 5>that anyone can take their model for free and use it.

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<v Speaker 5>So that means if you're sitting there trying to use

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<v Speaker 5>you know, CHATCHYBT on the back end of your new

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<v Speaker 5>tech product, and you're paying them ten thousand dollars a

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<v Speaker 5>month for their uh, you know, for the ability to

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<v Speaker 5>use that, now you might say, oh, actually, we'll just

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<v Speaker 5>take this free, open source model and we'll modify it

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<v Speaker 5>and make it our own. And by the way, it's free.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, just just a quick word about the politics

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<v Speaker 1>of all this, because of course Trump administration talks about

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<v Speaker 1>China being such an adversary and we have to stay ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>They released this the day that Trump was inaugurated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I read.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean it took it took a bit for

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<v Speaker 5>people to notice it, but you're right. I mean, look this,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, any any country in the world right now

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Coming up, the CDC has been ordered to

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<v Speaker 1>Were you a favorite child? There's some studies that just

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<v Speaker 1>There is a memo that was just sent to senior

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<v Speaker 2>Who work with the World Health Organization have to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let me tell you what the who does with

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<v Speaker 1>The point is that no one understands why the US

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<v Speaker 1>World Health Organization. But that's no joke. And the president

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, please, I mean, is there a reason for it?

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<v Speaker 1>one is this is the World Health Organization? How political

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<v Speaker 1>can that be?

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<v Speaker 2>What is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the CDC and the who talk to each other,

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe I gotta tell you I I have.

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<v Speaker 1>To look at this and we'll see how it can

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<v Speaker 1>don't get. Now, let's just have fun. Let's end it

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<v Speaker 1>with fun today because its been pretty serious. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a favorite child? Are you a favorite child? Do

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<v Speaker 2>There is a massive new study that just come out

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<v Speaker 1>One incredibly political run a Ronald Reagan story, which is

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<v Speaker 2>I'll start with that one. When we come back.

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<v Speaker 1>After the show off the air, I'm taking phone calls

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<v Speaker 1>for Handle on the Law. If you have a marginal

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you a story.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point I broadcast Handle on the Law at

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<v Speaker 1>an outside studio and next to me was Michael Reagan,

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, well, first of all, my dad didn't

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Reagan. My mom, Nancy Reagan hated all of us equally.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no favorite child, and So there's a study

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<v Speaker 1>that just came out, and it's a big one that

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<v Speaker 1>most of us will say you don't. I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite child. There are certain aspects of one kid

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<v Speaker 2>And I do the.

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<v Speaker 1>Same thing when I get into a fight, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>To treat each of them equally. The reality is most

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<v Speaker 2>of us do have a favorite child. If you have

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<v Speaker 1>Order may have something to do with temperament, gender, the

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<v Speaker 1>in my case, for example, doesn't mean you're immune from preferring.

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<v Speaker 2>To spend time with one or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you just like one more than the other, You

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<v Speaker 2>But here's what the study shows.

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<v Speaker 1>The other side is they may get over indulge and

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<v Speaker 2>Max or Max? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta say Max. I will tell you a funny story.

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<v Speaker 3>There's seven kids of my family, of which I'm number six,

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<v Speaker 3>wrote a note saying, from your favorite son, and she

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That works out all right, guys. We are done for today.

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<v Speaker 1>We start all over all over again tomorrow. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the last two days, Michael, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You have been extraordinarily mediocre. I appreciate. I know Amy

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<v Speaker 2>is the favorite child here. You know what she's not?

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<v Speaker 1>She really isn't, but she has a contract and there's

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<v Speaker 1>come back with Ann A lot going on. Also, phone calls.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're in, aren't they? This last few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>Always a fun show with Gary and Shannon. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Handle Show. Catch my Show Monday through Friday, six am

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