Speaker 1: Seven six here at fifty five KRC detalk station. Great
Speaker 1: time to be tuned in to the fifty five Parasee
Speaker 1: Morning Show that I make an argument anytime's a good time.
Speaker 1: I was so thoroughly impressed by the gentleman in the
Speaker 1: studio right now with me, Marcel Stribitch, and also Mark Pakitta.
Speaker 1: They did a presentation at the Northeast Women Republican Club
Speaker 1: meeting just recently, and I was like, I got to
Speaker 1: get these guys on the fifty five cars Morning Show.
Speaker 1: Let my listeners know because we're all worried about voter
Speaker 1: integrity registering to vote, our illegal immigrants allowed to vote?
Speaker 1: Can they register to vote and end up voting even
Speaker 1: though they're not lawfully a lot entitled to do so.
Speaker 1: Then on the other side, there's this whole algorithm stuff,
Speaker 1: and I mentioned with Secretary of State l Rose the
Speaker 1: other day Jerry Corcy and others did some number crunching
Speaker 1: and so there's some some Shenanigan allegations on the integrity
Speaker 1: of the actual voting machine and the algorithms built in there. Though,
Speaker 1: But these gentlemen have some interesting and fascinating data to
Speaker 1: bur into your attention, and so let us introduce to
Speaker 1: the fifty or to the fifty five Carecy Morning Show audience.
Speaker 1: Mark Pikitti, you may remember, and he's running for political office,
Speaker 1: is also a very successful businessman and an outspoken activists.
Speaker 1: You've rubbed, You've rubbed a lot of people the wrong
Speaker 1: way over the past several years. Having your mark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Brian sometimes telling the truth and exposing
Speaker 2: people who are obfus, skating or just being absolutely dishonest
Speaker 2: kind of rubs people the wrong way.
Speaker 1: Well, it does, but you see, you know in I'm
Speaker 1: a little ill. Libertarians like to point out I lean conservative,
Speaker 1: my politics dis corresponsibility, live in the government, free market.
Speaker 1: I am frustrated to know and regularly over Columbus generally speaking,
Speaker 1: the Republicans call the House the Senate, and they have
Speaker 1: the governor office yet and they refuse to address issues
Speaker 1: that are so easily resolvable for the benefit of the constituents.
Speaker 1: In today's discussion is one of those issues. And my
Speaker 1: listener is going to be sad and disappointed. And when
Speaker 1: they find out how many times you've talked with elected officials,
Speaker 1: including Secretary of State Frank LeRose, about voter integrity also
Speaker 1: in the studio Lieutenant Colonel retired Marcel Sturbitch. He served,
Speaker 1: thank you for your service to our country twenty years
Speaker 1: for American Military Air Force Intelligence Officer, combat veteran, a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different operations and strategic leadership assignments, but
Speaker 1: he gathered this wealth of information about data collection and gathering.
Speaker 1: He continues after his military service to apply his skills
Speaker 1: and knowledge, becoming a full time Ohio statewide election legislative
Speaker 1: reform proponent. Also co authored this bill we'll talk about today,
Speaker 1: HB four seventy two and Center Bill two seventy four,
Speaker 1: the Ohio Votes Count Act. He's on multiple different programs
Speaker 1: and he has done multiple presentations along the lines of
Speaker 1: what we're going to be talking about today. Gentlemen, it's
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you in. So we'll start with
Speaker 1: Mark and straightforward, concise analysis and breakdown of what we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about the details of which Marcell
Speaker 1: will expand upon. So have that at Mark.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Marcel and the team that works with him are
Speaker 2: the data people, right.
Speaker 3: They're pulling together the data and the evidence.
Speaker 2: And what I've been doing is using my social media
Speaker 2: and network platform to talk about election integrity and give
Speaker 2: people some thought about what the theory might be about
Speaker 2: why what you just said about Republicans in Columbus might
Speaker 2: be true, Like what is making them do what they
Speaker 2: do or not do what.
Speaker 3: They do don't do?
Speaker 2: So when it comes to election integrity, we have been
Speaker 2: pelting Secretary of State Laurose with evidence of susceptibility of
Speaker 2: our election system in Ohio to fraud, and he has
Speaker 2: ignored or or maligned us every step of the way.
Speaker 2: And so I started thinking, why is this? And I
Speaker 2: think the reason is it would be reasonable to assume
Speaker 2: that because he has aspirations to run for another office.
Speaker 2: He already ran for the US Senate and lost to
Speaker 2: Bernie Moreno, he is probably jonesing for an appointment to JD.
Speaker 2: Vance's seat when Trump and Vance take the White House,
Speaker 2: and so he doesn't want to rub anybody the wrong way.
Speaker 3: He is also.
Speaker 2: Deathly, mortally afraid of paper of lawsuits. So status quo
Speaker 2: keeps him the safest politically, and so we're going to
Speaker 2: make him uncomfortable. We're going to continue to make him
Speaker 2: uncomfortable until we have election systems where it's easy to
Speaker 2: verify voters and hard to cheat. And Marcel will talk
Speaker 2: about this, can go on in detail. He knows he
Speaker 2: and his team know more about Ohio's election systems than
Speaker 2: Secretary State Laos and his staff do.
Speaker 3: And I do not say that with any kind of hubris.
Speaker 3: It is an absolute.
Speaker 2: Fact because we continue to ask them questions they can answer,
Speaker 2: and in some cases they refuse to answer because they
Speaker 2: know we have the answer and we're just looking for
Speaker 2: proof of the answer.
Speaker 1: Okay, and the answer, and we'll get to the question
Speaker 1: that you're providing the answer to in a moment. But
Speaker 1: why if we're talking about just ensuring the integrity of
Speaker 1: the election and our will, our ability as the constituents
Speaker 1: to believe in the outcome of the election, why would
Speaker 1: taking steps in that direction rub anyone the wrong way.
Speaker 1: I understand political differences, mind you, but from what I heard,
Speaker 1: it just seems so foreign a concept regarding ignoring whether
Speaker 1: Frank Lorois wants to run for higher office or not.
Speaker 1: And I know you even said it out loud. You
Speaker 1: don't have a personal vendetta against Frank LeRose, do you
Speaker 1: just want people to address this issue? But moving backward,
Speaker 1: how could it possibly rub people the wrong way? To
Speaker 1: fix the problems we're going to talk about today.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think there's evidence that it rubs
Speaker 2: people the wrong way. When you've got certified credential poll
Speaker 2: watchers trying to get into polls in Philadelphia and they're
Speaker 2: being rejected by the establishment Board of Elections of insiders
Speaker 2: from going into so politically, I think there's huge risk there.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've already seen, I believe, a suit by
Speaker 2: a league of women voters against the Licking County Board
Speaker 2: of Elections Marcel. And so it may seem like to
Speaker 2: us this is a common sense thing that you want
Speaker 2: secure elections, but there are large factions of certain constituencies
Speaker 2: who aren't really concerned about fair elections. They want to
Speaker 2: win at any cost, and it's the Secretary of State
Speaker 2: and his staff's job and the Board of Elections job
Speaker 2: to prevent that.
Speaker 1: Now, are these the types of individuals who would scream
Speaker 1: things like, oh, it's racist to request a photo ID?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 1: Okay, So that seems to be coming largely from the
Speaker 1: left wing of the political spectrum. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: hear any Republicans screaming about, you know, I can vote
Speaker 1: an election day. Why do we need to have extended voting,
Speaker 1: why do we need to have mail in voting. I've
Speaker 1: heard those arguments. Obviously those gone by the wayside. We
Speaker 1: now do have early voting and the ability to do
Speaker 1: mail in voting. But in terms of just simple requirements
Speaker 1: like photo ID. The only people I hear screaming about that,
Speaker 1: and it is insulting, it is to people of color,
Speaker 1: claiming that it's impossible for people of color somehow to
Speaker 1: secure a photo idea. It's a bigotry of low expectations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's terrible when I hear that, and I find it
Speaker 1: personally offensive. But this is the argument they make. So
Speaker 1: if that's the segment that we're talking about, those who
Speaker 1: want to make it lax easy to vote, and of course,
Speaker 1: like with data, multiple ballot gathering and turning in multiple
Speaker 1: ballots on behalf of other people, we want to stop
Speaker 1: all that because it does create opportunities for fraud. Going
Speaker 1: back to a traditional Republican stance on that, that's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing Republicans typically try to stop from happening.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that a large chunk or some within
Speaker 1: the powerful within the Republican Party are against these efforts
Speaker 1: because they don't want to draw the ire of these
Speaker 1: groups you mentioned afraid of paper. They don't want a
Speaker 1: lawsuit filed in spite of that, and despite of the
Speaker 1: fact that they're on the right side of the argument,
Speaker 1: both in principle and legally.
Speaker 3: Yes, really, that's basically it. Holy Ca.
Speaker 2: Well, well, look, you just gave an example earlier that
Speaker 2: we've got a trifecta and it's a super majority tri
Speaker 2: effect in Ohio. We hold every office in the executive
Speaker 2: branch elected office, we hold a super majority in the
Speaker 2: Ohio Senate, in the Ohio House, and we get nothing done.
Speaker 2: That's because because we have a Republican party in Ohio
Speaker 2: that is more like the Democrat Party than they are
Speaker 2: like a true conservative Republican party should be.
Speaker 3: That is a problem in Ohio.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to look at the root
Speaker 2: cause of all of these problems, that is it. We
Speaker 2: could have had these things fixed, I mean four years ago,
Speaker 2: because we've had this supermajority forever. It's bigger than Ron
Speaker 2: DeSantis's supermajority in Florida. Look at what he's gotten accomplished,
Speaker 2: and look what we've gotten accomplished.
Speaker 1: That last statement just says just speaks volumes. I mean
Speaker 1: absolute volumes, and I think it's at the heart of
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Speaker 1: Seven twenty here fifty five KRC detalk station Happy Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Hey in studio talking about election integrity here in the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio and frustrated. A couple of guys I
Speaker 1: have here along with me, sharing frustration with the sort
Speaker 1: of the political realities we deal with in Ohio and
Speaker 1: in spite of the fact that it's solid red. Marcel
Speaker 1: Stuvitch and Mark Pakita talking Ohio election integrity and it's
Speaker 1: a lot of the information we're talking about today, you
Speaker 1: can find online at Ohio the number four truth dot
Speaker 1: com Ohio for truth. You can even listen to Marcel
Speaker 1: Stuvitch's a little link there to podcast about how years
Speaker 1: of making it more convenient to vote in Ohio has
Speaker 1: been at the expense of making it hard to cheat.
Speaker 1: And that's the subject matter we're dealing with here, election integrity.
Speaker 1: So pivoting over to Marcel, let's talk about the projects
Speaker 1: you've been working on. And I share your frustration, like
Speaker 1: I said, but you found problems and holes and you
Speaker 1: have solutions. So let's deal with the problems we're talking
Speaker 1: about here today.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And so you know, up at the very front
Speaker 5: of our election system, look at it as a two
Speaker 5: side of coin. Right, on the one hand, you got
Speaker 5: to prevent the denial of a vote. On the second part,
Speaker 5: you got to prevent the dilution of the vote. And
Speaker 5: finding the solutions are going to come somewhere there in
Speaker 5: the middle, right, And that's what's imbalanced in the Ohio
Speaker 5: system is we have spent in an inordinate amount of
Speaker 5: our political capital, of our focus from our politicians on
Speaker 5: promoting accessibility and convenience of election.
Speaker 1: Systems, early voting, dropboxes, mail and online registration.
Speaker 5: Exactly, we have third parties soliciting you for absentee ballot
Speaker 5: forms all the time. Now, let's look at the other
Speaker 5: side of that coin, which is un imbalanced in what
Speaker 5: we're trying to add levity to. You've got only partial
Speaker 5: photo ID. Mail in ballots don't require copy of a
Speaker 5: photo ID. You don't have proof of citizenship verification upfront.
Speaker 5: You don't have the ability at this point with the
Speaker 5: Board of Elections to have your records challenged if you
Speaker 5: identify ineligible records. And there are over two hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty to three hundred and fifty thousand records in our
Speaker 5: voting system that have some form of questionability or some
Speaker 5: form of error in them, and yet our Secretary of
Speaker 5: State's policy in Ohio is to treat any record of
Speaker 5: status right, either active or confirmation, in an equal way
Speaker 5: as equally accessing these absentee ballots. So, when you combine
Speaker 5: and aggregate those limiting factors of being able to conduct verification,
Speaker 5: and then at the same time you afford all of
Speaker 5: this accessibility out there, you create a system that is
Speaker 5: in effect not easy to vote, hard to cheat, which
Speaker 5: is what we're told. But it's hard to verify, easy
Speaker 5: to vote, and that equals susceptibility to cheating.
Speaker 3: So how did we get there.
Speaker 5: We got there because it's much easier to give in
Speaker 5: to a side that threatens to sue you every time
Speaker 5: than the constitutional and civil rights that we deserve, which
Speaker 5: is just to verify it and sure that every person
Speaker 5: that applies has an equal set of review and has
Speaker 5: in the Board of Elections have the equal data and
Speaker 5: the authority to check that out. And what we learned
Speaker 5: in our exhaustive analysis over a year is that the
Speaker 5: Board of Elections lack the authoritative data. They lack laws
Speaker 5: that afford them the ability to check the driver's license,
Speaker 5: social security information, and the non citizen. They accept what's
Speaker 5: called statement of the truth. And what does that mean.
Speaker 5: It's an undefined standard in criteria. So if you look
Speaker 5: at what the entry of applications are and they're allowed
Speaker 5: onto the voter roles and a record is created, how
Speaker 5: can we have confidence that all of those records if
Speaker 5: they didn't undergo some of the most stringent checks like
Speaker 5: you would see in the financial industry, in the medical
Speaker 5: industry today, how could we have confidence in that type
Speaker 5: of an election system.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's start with the process of registering
Speaker 1: to vote. When you get a driver's license. Let's say
Speaker 1: I am a foreign national. We'll even say I'm here
Speaker 1: with a green card, but I'm entitled to a driver's
Speaker 1: license under the law. I can obtain one, but that
Speaker 1: does not afford me the right to vote. It's illegal
Speaker 1: for someone who's not a citizen to vote in a
Speaker 1: federal election. I go to get my driver's license, they
Speaker 1: give me an automatic registration form. Do they have to
Speaker 1: explain to me the criteria for eligibility. In other words,
Speaker 1: you need to be a US citizen in order to
Speaker 1: participate in elections on a federal level. And also here
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 5: No, there is no program of instruction, no fact sheet
Speaker 5: for them when they show up to Department of Job
Speaker 5: and Family Services. And this is what we advocated for
Speaker 5: in the lead up to our election. We wanted the
Speaker 5: Secretary of State, who has wide latitude, to be able
Speaker 5: to promulgate guidance to those agencies that are assisting with
Speaker 5: voter registration, whether it's the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, whether
Speaker 5: it's any other agency. Right those agencies by federal law
Speaker 5: required to provide their applicants voter registration applications. In those
Speaker 5: voter registration applications are a test only, meaning they are
Speaker 5: not proof of citizenship verification. So someone could deceive or
Speaker 5: someone could make a mistake, and if they sign that form,
Speaker 5: it's required to go to the Board of Elections in
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State who process that form as though
Speaker 5: it is considered the statement of truth. So, in other words,
Speaker 5: what we lack the biggest weakness in Ohio's election systems
Speaker 5: is we lack a system that validates the data on
Speaker 5: the front end. We presume that the information that an
Speaker 5: applicant has put on their information is.
Speaker 1: Correct, like a sworn affidavid, you know, the subject to
Speaker 1: penalties of perjury for relying on it.
Speaker 5: And we only go after people after they've double voted
Speaker 5: or after you know, we do an annual audit and
Speaker 5: they find out, okay, somebody was a non citizen. You know,
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State said, okay, we found six hundred. Well,
Speaker 5: let me just put this in perspective. You know, how
Speaker 5: many identity credentials have been issued for non citizens across
Speaker 5: the state of Ohio as of April of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: two hundred and thirty six thousand. Not making a claim
Speaker 5: here that all of those in any former fashion are
Speaker 5: on the voter rolls, but it gives you an understanding
Speaker 5: of the pool of potential applicants that have come across
Speaker 5: the wires, and you can't go at that starting five
Speaker 5: months prior to an election, which is when we really
Speaker 5: started to get serious about this. Our borders have been
Speaker 5: open for three years. So where have the request to
Speaker 5: the Department of Homeland Security been for three years asking Hey,
Speaker 5: I need access to this information. And we could have
Speaker 5: long ago had a lawsuit from the Attorney General saying
Speaker 5: give me this information.
Speaker 3: We didn't do any of this. We waited till the
Speaker 3: very last minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where the key lies is engaging in a
Speaker 1: process where we can communicate with the data banks of
Speaker 1: the federal government and know whether or not someone is
Speaker 1: a citizen. And that stumbling block is just to me
Speaker 1: beyond comprehension. Will continue this conversation about voter integrity here
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Speaker 1: Seven thirty one Here fifty five KRC CIT talk station
Speaker 1: exposing the fun and games in Shenanigans going on the
Speaker 1: state of Ohio. In Marcel Sturvich and Mark ket we're
Speaker 1: talking about hiwh election integrity. Where the problems are, where
Speaker 1: the holes in the system are, where the opportunities are
Speaker 1: for voter fraud. These gentlemen have identified them. They have
Speaker 1: legislative solutions for them. They have been discussing this with
Speaker 1: elected officials. Sadly, they haven't had an audience yet with
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Frank LeRose, although some of his other
Speaker 1: minions have met with these gentlemen. But we do have
Speaker 1: proof that what you're talking about and a document which
Speaker 1: verifies what you're bringing up to our attention today, Marcel
Speaker 1: from the High Secretary of State's office.
Speaker 3: Himself, Yeah, yeah, we do.
Speaker 5: We have effectively evidence as of July, through a Board
Speaker 5: of Elections meeting in Hamilton, of a bulk submission of
Speaker 5: one hundred and forty three fraudulent registrations to include names
Speaker 5: like Henry Kissinger. And this really shook up things in Ohio,
Speaker 5: right because up to that point, everybody was, you know,
Speaker 5: parroting the message that you know, we are able to
Speaker 5: assess these records in a qualifying fashion. But what we
Speaker 5: learned is that this had been going on for long
Speaker 5: past a year through these third party canvassing organizations across Ohio.
Speaker 5: And these organizations have very little regulation or oversight. They
Speaker 5: operate under their free First Amendment free speech right to
Speaker 5: pay people to go out and identify people for petition
Speaker 5: balloting and the registration forms. And what they were able
Speaker 5: to do was to change people's voter records without their consent,
Speaker 5: bring up deceased records. All this was filed formally back
Speaker 5: in July of twenty twenty three out of Cuyahoga County.
Speaker 5: It was only in mid August that the Secretary of
Speaker 5: State came out after this July meeting where the Ohio
Speaker 5: Republican Party chairman stated, right up upfront, this is outright
Speaker 5: fraudulent behavior and someone's defrauding the registration process. And so
Speaker 5: where do things stand now? There's a referral to violations
Speaker 5: in twenty different counties. So the question is, you know,
Speaker 5: what is the extent of this. We don't have an
Speaker 5: answer going into this election. What would be better that
Speaker 5: we had is a system where the county Board of
Speaker 5: Elections can catch this on their own. This was caught
Speaker 5: by a couple who had their registration information changed, and
Speaker 5: they came to the board and asked what's going on,
Speaker 5: and then upon further inquiry, the board here in Hamilton
Speaker 5: County took a look at it and said, yeah, there's
Speaker 5: something going on here. So what will likely happen is
Speaker 5: that the canvassers are going to get obviously criminally prosecuted.
Speaker 3: But the points that we've been making.
Speaker 5: Is what about what happens to the consequences for these organizations,
Speaker 5: And there's nothing in Ohio law that would suggest they're
Speaker 5: out of business. They should be perhaps paying a one
Speaker 5: million dollar civil penalty, they should be bonded. When you
Speaker 5: create real penalties and offensives, you dissuade and you deter
Speaker 5: this type of susceptibility to fraud. So I hope our
Speaker 5: legislators are listening to it's certainly clear that the Secretary
Speaker 5: of State is now wanting to do more with legislation.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that. If you'd like you, we will.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what bo It's almost at a time
Speaker 1: in this segment, I did want to definitely get to
Speaker 1: the legislation because, as I've been pointing out or suggesting
Speaker 1: all morning, and as I heard from you last week,
Speaker 1: the legislation's already drafted. It fills, it deals with the
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Speaker 1: and join my conversation here, I wish we didn't have
Speaker 1: to have this conversation. In the State of Ohio, Ball
Speaker 1: places Marcel Sturbage and Mark Pikita in studia talking about
Speaker 1: a high election integrity is something they have been hard
Speaker 1: at work on to plug the holes that allow for
Speaker 1: illegal voting here in the state of Ohio and not
Speaker 1: getting a whole lot of traction until at least recently,
Speaker 1: when there was at least an acknowledgment from the Secretary
Speaker 1: of State's office that these problems actually exist, well documented,
Speaker 1: most notably in here in Hamilton County. Henry Kissinger is
Speaker 1: not a registered voter in Hamilton County, although he tried
Speaker 1: to be. This is the kind of revelation which was like, no,
Speaker 1: this does happen. Look here, we've got twenty nine illustrations
Speaker 1: of it. Maybe there's more out there. The problem is
Speaker 1: we don't know if there's more out there because of
Speaker 1: this lack of connectivity with the federal government, so we
Speaker 1: can verify citizenship, for example. But in all these NGO
Speaker 1: organizations or otherwise politically affiliated organizations that are trying to
Speaker 1: exploit these holes in the election integrity system them to
Speaker 1: their own advantage, and of course Marcel gave us an
Speaker 1: illustration of that. Now with that in mind, Marcel, there
Speaker 1: are legislative fixes that have been floating around for a
Speaker 1: while now for all these and as I said or suggested,
Speaker 1: they're unoffensive to anybody who cares about it. What are
Speaker 1: we talking about here? How long have they been floating around?
Speaker 1: And I guess the fundamental point we'll get to is
Speaker 1: there anything that we can it can be done to
Speaker 1: try to stop some of this before November.
Speaker 3: Well, yes to all of that.
Speaker 5: This election legislation has been out there since April and
Speaker 5: in July, and it was introduced in both the House
Speaker 5: and the Senate under HB four seven two and SB
Speaker 5: two seven four. And so I'll just give you some
Speaker 5: quick highlights. It was a large built but it intended
Speaker 5: to address aspects of what I call our honor system.
Speaker 5: You know, the ability of essentially the Board of Elections
Speaker 5: to get the necessary data and authority to do proper
Speaker 5: data validation of every application. And if you do that
Speaker 5: and you ensure that everyone who's coming onto the voter
Speaker 5: roles has been fully determined as eligible, then you can
Speaker 5: have a talk in a conversation about what extent you
Speaker 5: want to have systems that are both convenient and accessible.
Speaker 5: Legislation itself also tackled important areas of antiquated information systems
Speaker 5: that are associated with their voting systems. We certify our
Speaker 5: voting systems to two thousand and five Standards of Security,
Speaker 5: no joke.
Speaker 1: That's our current system.
Speaker 5: That's our current system, and that's in the entirety of
Speaker 5: the country. For some reason, we give voting vendors the
Speaker 5: purview to submit their own a set of testing requirements,
Speaker 5: and it's essentially rubber stamp through the Election Assistance Commission,
Speaker 5: and our state law rubber stamps that through the Secretary
Speaker 5: of State's Board of Voting Machine Examers.
Speaker 1: So wait a second, I write the software for the
Speaker 1: voting system, I check it myself, and then I sell
Speaker 1: it to any given state, and my verification of my
Speaker 1: own product is what's accepted as under two thousand and
Speaker 1: five standards. Yes, we haven't changed the computer systems in
Speaker 1: nature of computing has not changed at all since two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, has it?
Speaker 3: Sure? Sure you know on another planet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know voter registration databases for example, Right,
Speaker 5: if a change is made, you don't know what the
Speaker 5: change was made. It just overright. So what our bill
Speaker 5: did is it brought forward the idea of bring it
Speaker 5: blockchain and it's an information system functionality that's anti tamper
Speaker 5: evidence feature, and put it into an integration of every
Speaker 5: voter registration database. There's eighty eight of them across the state.
Speaker 5: The counties have their own voter registration databases that feed
Speaker 5: the statewide voter registration database. And the nice thing about
Speaker 5: that is we would have been the first state in
Speaker 5: the country talk about gold standard. We always hear that
Speaker 5: we would been the first state that would have had
Speaker 5: blockchain integration capability, and we would have known if somebody
Speaker 5: is compromising or trying to exploit our voter records, either
Speaker 5: system administrators or even hackers. But we got passed on that,
Speaker 5: and we were told, well, that's going to cost millions
Speaker 5: of dollars. That's only four months after had been out there.
Speaker 5: But that's not true either. So there's so many facets
Speaker 5: to four seventy two. I don't care if we break
Speaker 5: it up into a technology upraid Bill. I don't care
Speaker 5: if the Secretary of State. It looks like he's leaning
Speaker 5: in this direction now because he sent the letter to
Speaker 5: the Senate President and the House Speaker in late August
Speaker 5: saying that he now wants Ohio citizen proof of citizenship
Speaker 5: right for non citizens. Well, we had it, and we
Speaker 5: could have had it implemented, and we could have had
Speaker 5: it signed off, or if we had to overwrite a
Speaker 5: veto from Governor de Wine, if it was going to
Speaker 5: go down the path of HBO seventy three. But we
Speaker 5: didn't do any of these things right, and now we
Speaker 5: want to look at that. Maybe at the lame duck session.
Speaker 5: Now we want to look at drop boxes. There's so
Speaker 5: many facets of it that there was there was a
Speaker 5: missed opportunity.
Speaker 3: Here is what I'm saying, Bright, I understand that completely.
Speaker 1: And going back to mars comments about maybe the motivations
Speaker 1: behind those missed opportunities, they didn't want to advance this
Speaker 1: because they were afraid of lawsuits and looking bad or
Speaker 1: I'm sure in some cases allegations of racism, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: right from the four corners of the universe, like that's
Speaker 1: a racist idea. But everyone to make just to emphasize
Speaker 1: a point you made ourself, when any change is made
Speaker 1: to a voter's registration data, there is no keeping of
Speaker 1: the prior information. It just is deleted in essence and overwritten.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that point is clear.
Speaker 3: That point is very clear.
Speaker 5: And you and you're hitting on a major point, right
Speaker 5: if if you, and this is part of the reason
Speaker 5: why we have registration dates changing now without understanding our
Speaker 5: clarity in our system, people are getting new voter ID numbers.
Speaker 3: We're finding why is that happening?
Speaker 5: We can't know the answer to that because there's no
Speaker 5: way to forensically review these records. Now, if you created
Speaker 5: a blockchain system, and we're going to hear a lot
Speaker 5: of blockchain because if President Trump gets in and Senator
Speaker 5: Bernie Moreno gets in, they're going to they're going to
Speaker 5: lean very heavy on that industry, and that has a
Speaker 5: chance to finally transform twenty years of antiquated information systems, okay,
Speaker 5: that are present within our voter registration database. For some
Speaker 5: time they were we were our voter registration databases to
Speaker 5: include DC was entire voter role was compromised. And we
Speaker 5: are know that on the dark web and other means,
Speaker 5: our social security numbers, our driver's license information. There's there's
Speaker 5: not a week deck doesn't go by where personal sensitive
Speaker 5: information is taken, like, oh, clearly right, and so at
Speaker 5: this point we can't presume that even the person that's
Speaker 5: going to do an online registration is who they say
Speaker 5: they are, right. But if you go to the Bureau
Speaker 5: of More Vehicles, Brian, and you want to get your
Speaker 5: let's say tag's renewed, and you're using their online registration system,
Speaker 5: you're getting asked questions where did you live? You go
Speaker 5: through multi factor authentication when you register to vote, you
Speaker 5: don't have that authentication. You could be registering from Guangzhou, China.
Speaker 5: You can have your absentee ballots set to Guangzhou, China,
Speaker 5: even though that's not your place of residency. So there's
Speaker 5: so much updates in upgrades that are necessary for information
Speaker 5: systems at the heart of this right and for us
Speaker 5: to sit there and ignore that and act like somehow
Speaker 5: this is like a unicorn world and our election systems
Speaker 5: and registration are going to be fine. You know, just
Speaker 5: look over here, everybody, look at the toaster. That's your
Speaker 5: voting machine. Because people look at a voting machine like
Speaker 5: it's a toaster. It's much more complex. There's millions of
Speaker 5: lines of source code. It shouldn't but like I'm telling you,
Speaker 5: the vendors are controlling this process. And you would be
Speaker 5: very surprised at who the software developers are. They're not American,
Speaker 5: they're foreign and there's nothing that restricts that. And that
Speaker 5: was something that was attempted to be addressed within four
Speaker 5: seventy two. No wonder why it wasn't sought after, because
Speaker 5: as soon as industry started hearing that these were some
Speaker 5: real reforms, all of a sudden in our Ohio Association
Speaker 5: of Election Officials, which is the private lobbying group for
Speaker 5: a board of elections, kind of came up and said, oh,
Speaker 5: we don't want to do this. It's going to cost
Speaker 5: us one hundred and ten million or whatever number.
Speaker 1: You saw me laughing a moment ago, And that's exactly
Speaker 1: why I was laughing. Something so fundamental as the integrity
Speaker 1: of the vote. And they'll throw millions, if not billions
Speaker 1: of dollars of money at just absolute nonsensical projects. The fraud,
Speaker 1: waste and abuse that exists in every single government, from
Speaker 1: the smallest of the largest cannot be overstated. And yet
Speaker 1: they're not willing to spend money on this. Talk about priorities.
Speaker 2: Let me just give you an example, right Frank Lero's
Speaker 2: move two primaries a few years ago. The estimate was
Speaker 2: that those were I think thirty million dollar moves a
Speaker 2: piece that's sixty million dollars right there, with no product
Speaker 2: right now, miss.
Speaker 3: No new software. It was flushed down the tube.
Speaker 1: But a great but a great exclamation.
Speaker 2: Point when you don't like something if it costs anything. Yet,
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Speaker 1: hour's gone by quickly. Marcel Sturvich and Mark Takeda in
Speaker 1: the House talking Ohio election integrity. There have very hard
Speaker 1: efforts to get some well some corrections and get some
Speaker 1: solution and acted here in the state of How have
Speaker 1: they been at it for a long time and finally
Speaker 1: sounds like they're at least getting some traction now. The
Speaker 1: legislative solutions you presented all sounds sound and reasonable, and
Speaker 1: hopefully someone will bring it up and they'll have a
Speaker 1: vote on it. But it's not going to happen before November.
Speaker 1: So with the all important election coming up moments away,
Speaker 1: what can we do now? Is there anything can be
Speaker 1: done now before November and the presidential election?
Speaker 5: Marshall, Absolutely, there's two there's two weeks before early voting,
Speaker 5: and we have called for a safeguard mechanism to be
Speaker 5: initiated because of the fact that we have the challenge
Speaker 5: of assessing for eligibility on the front end for many
Speaker 5: of these registrants. And what we've called for is a
Speaker 5: within the authority of the Secretary of State to implement
Speaker 5: a system of marking or removing voters that are ineligible
Speaker 5: from the state wide database. And what we mean by
Speaker 5: marking is we have this safeguard where if you don't
Speaker 5: have fully verified information on a record. And I said,
Speaker 5: there's about two hundred and fifty to three hundred and
Speaker 5: fifty thousand of them and they're being challenged by Ohioan's
Speaker 5: we're going going to the Board of Elections across all
Speaker 5: counties to include Hamilton where there was a challenge two
Speaker 5: weeks ago on three hundred of these and we didn't
Speaker 5: get a good result on that. They said they would
Speaker 5: flag some of these. But the challenge is the Secretary
Speaker 5: of State came out for some reason on August twenty
Speaker 5: first and basically said do not mark for provisional because
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State is convinced that he cannot mark
Speaker 5: these records for provisional. Provisional means you have to vote
Speaker 5: in person, you have to present your photo ID, and
Speaker 5: you have to cure the information that is in error
Speaker 5: or in questionability of your record. So it's a reasonable approach.
Speaker 5: You're not denying someone the right to vote. What you're
Speaker 5: doing is you're making sure that before their vote counts,
Speaker 5: all the information has been determined as fully as eligible.
Speaker 5: That's an equal application that prevents mine or your vote, Brian,
Speaker 5: from being diluted. And that's the whole point, not preventing,
Speaker 5: like I said in the beginning our of the hour,
Speaker 5: the denial of a vote or the preventing the dilution
Speaker 5: of the vote, but finding the happy medium, and law
Speaker 5: says the Secretary of State can do this, But Secretary
Speaker 5: of State says no. So last week he was on
Speaker 5: a radio station with France in Cleveland and he said
Speaker 5: he conceded that he would go forward and ask the
Speaker 5: Attorney General for legal opinion. So where is that legal opinion?
Speaker 5: Did the Secretary of State ask for it? Did the
Speaker 5: Attorney General receive it? As the Attorney General given him
Speaker 5: the indication that there are no prohibitions, as the law
Speaker 5: says here in thirty five one five in the RC,
Speaker 5: we don't know the answer to that, but if it
Speaker 5: were to be provided to the Secretary of State and
Speaker 5: the Secretary of State would willfully implement it, the county
Speaker 5: board of Elections would immediately be able to safeguard. And
Speaker 5: what I saw yesterday was a county was a application
Speaker 5: itself that a applicant said they were a non citizen,
Speaker 5: and it was processed by a county board of Election.
Speaker 1: So we already consider saying that that was an eligible
Speaker 1: voter even though they self identified as nonsense.
Speaker 5: A self identified But the way Ohio law is written,
Speaker 5: they're going to have a voter record created and then
Speaker 5: there's going to be this confirmation process where they're going
Speaker 5: to have a letter sent to them. The danger with
Speaker 5: that happening in the very last month is there's not
Speaker 5: enough time for election administrators to catch and get an
Speaker 5: answer back. If you ignore them, you don't get taken off.
Speaker 5: So the only solution to protect us going into November
Speaker 5: and before the early voting begins on October eighth is
Speaker 5: to mark these ballots. And fortunately twenty state House representatives
Speaker 5: agree with us, and they are sending a letter this
Speaker 5: week that is going to go to the Secretary of
Speaker 5: State asking the Secretary of State to abide by their law,
Speaker 5: his lawful duties to mark these records for provisional only
Speaker 5: voting and in the Lame Duck or whenever in the
Speaker 5: General Assembly, they can settle this and codify for the
Speaker 5: Secretary of State. But we need this now, no more deliberations.
Speaker 1: And your argument is it's already within his legal power
Speaker 1: to do so, and he's just saying, I just need
Speaker 1: the age two stampus. As you're right, I do have
Speaker 1: the power. But that's where the delay comes in. And
Speaker 1: we don't know if that request was even made. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Attorney General would argue he's got a
Speaker 1: lot on his plate and can't necessarily get around to
Speaker 1: get into that one before the election. This has been
Speaker 1: amazing information. Marcel Stewart, thank you for your prior service
Speaker 1: to our country and the American military, and continued service
Speaker 1: to the voters in the state of Ohio and election integrity.
Speaker 3: Same thing.
Speaker 1: Mark Pakita, thank you so much for the work you're doing.
Speaker 1: I know you get an earful all the time. You
Speaker 1: don't make a whole lot of friends doing this in
Speaker 1: certain circles, but I know my listening audience appreciates it.
Speaker 1: I think the best site to refer folks to is
Speaker 1: Ohio for Truth dot com. They have a lot of
Speaker 1: the information you're talking about today, is that, Marcel.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And also right now on social media pressing upon the
Speaker 5: Secretary of State, you can go to Cleveland Right to
Speaker 5: Life or Ohio Advocates for Medical Freedom their ex or
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Speaker 5: compel our representatives to make these fundamental changes to our election.
Speaker 1: And on X it's Mpakita at m Pakita where you're
Speaker 1: constantly commenting on things and putting links up. Mark Pakita.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Marcell Sturvage. It's been a
Speaker 1: real pleasure. Gentlemen. Keep up the great work and hopefully
Speaker 1: we'll see some solutions in the state of Ohio thanks
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