Speaker 1: Did anybody give it ain't married?
Speaker 2: Then a cab crew up in.
Speaker 1: This joint, ma'am. Welcome back to Going Home means I'm
Speaker 1: a past d J along with the original gay Sir Cabby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: leking a playing with it. Don't try to make me jealous, Nathan,
Speaker 1: this early in the show, wait till we get a
Speaker 1: little bit into it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look at him, yeah, leading him. You're so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's getting out of control, man, I gotta share. Everything's
Speaker 1: getting getting out of control. I gotta zip it up
Speaker 1: a little bit, all right. So right there to my
Speaker 1: left hand, right there is the brother Money Nathan, the
Speaker 1: co creator of Calling All Beings.
Speaker 4: Greeting Friends Thursday evening or morning wherever you might be
Speaker 4: good to be with you, guys, Guys, I've been looking
Speaker 4: forward to the show all week. It's gonna be a
Speaker 4: real banger.
Speaker 1: Excited what you got to say about our guests?
Speaker 4: Man, he's the goat.
Speaker 1: He used the goat the coat for real, exactly. He's
Speaker 1: like the Derek Jeter if this was New York Yankees.
Speaker 1: Below him is one of the original gangsters of Calling
Speaker 1: All Beings, and she is a study of UAP. We
Speaker 1: like to call her Debs. We put another S on
Speaker 1: the end of it for absolutely no reason other than
Speaker 1: it's adorable. High debths. Okay, Hi, remember pleasure. Hi, awesome,
Speaker 1: nice to meet. You must say how to people in
Speaker 1: the chat real quick before we bring before we bring
Speaker 1: on our guests of honor. But the one with the
Speaker 1: curly locks to Devs. I guess it would be Dev's right.
Speaker 1: She's just below me in this Brady bunch thing that
Speaker 1: we got going on here. We don't know if she's
Speaker 1: in Montana, Alaska, if she's finding Bigfoot or running away
Speaker 1: from Bigfoot. She is Courtney connected.
Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, hey, y'all, it's great to be back on CAV.
Speaker 5: I'm so excited about our guest tonight. He's one of
Speaker 5: my personal favorites. And I've been thinking about some really
Speaker 5: really good questions untraditional lines of inquiry, so it's gonna
Speaker 5: be colorful, you know it.
Speaker 1: All right? I just want to say hello in the chat.
Speaker 1: The og is here, Julie, Hello, Julie Faddle. How about
Speaker 1: you love? Carolina's here? Disclosure ladies. I assume that's Carolina, right, Hi, Carolina,
Speaker 1: Julie talking about James channel right there, engaging the this
Speaker 1: young lady I got to meet at the Free car
Speaker 1: and reed meal of food Amy positive Pathways. She is
Speaker 1: in the same line as deb and Courtney here. She
Speaker 1: don't counsel people, and she done did all that while
Speaker 1: she was pregnant, going to school, taking care of business.
Speaker 1: This right here, of course, is co host of the
Speaker 1: FKR Business be up Ba the do O DOUBLEG as
Speaker 1: we like to call her. I think that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Scott McGinnis is here, dumb question. What phenomenon has You're
Speaker 1: gonna find out? That's why you're watching Scott. All right,
Speaker 1: Rocker chickens here from Canada, Oh, Canada. And let's see
Speaker 1: anybody else we got in here that needs to say hello?
Speaker 1: Due now. Oh, Lula Belle is here also from Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: So what's up, homegirl? Thank you for coming in. And
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into some talk with one of the
Speaker 1: Opus brothers that we know in the business. And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is this gentleman is extremely educated
Speaker 1: and well read. It doesn't matter really what tangent of
Speaker 1: the phenomenon that you wish to speak about. Thank you, Nathan,
Speaker 1: Which tangent in the phenomenon that you wish to speak about?
Speaker 1: Because he is knowledgeable on all of them. He's talked
Speaker 1: to the government people, he is an experiencer, He's spoken
Speaker 1: with experiencers, thought leaders, professors. He is one of our
Speaker 1: favorite people. He's my friend. Actually, he's all of our friend.
Speaker 1: I just happened to have gotten to see him most
Speaker 1: recently when I was in my hometown. So, without further ado,
Speaker 1: please party people putting up the mans together for the
Speaker 1: main James. I'm going then, I get it here for James,
Speaker 1: I am Dollie ay man.
Speaker 2: What's up, bron Guys. Good to have you with the
Speaker 2: best the standing ovision I've ever gotten.
Speaker 4: If you need a hype squad, man, we are here
Speaker 4: for you, brother.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you got it right. This is your hype
Speaker 1: squad right here sitting around you. James. So it's an
Speaker 1: honor to have you back.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And with that, I'm gonna let Nathan take this damn
Speaker 1: thing away because we we got all kinds of directions
Speaker 1: we wants to go with you.
Speaker 4: All right, we do, James? All right, I'm doing something
Speaker 4: I've never done with this first question. Okay, so no pressure,
Speaker 4: but I want you to take it just a pause here.
Speaker 4: I have thirteen questions I'm not gonna be able to
Speaker 4: ask you all of these, So I want you to
Speaker 4: pick a number, and that's the one I'm going to
Speaker 4: ask you. I just want you to feel into this. What's
Speaker 4: what's the number that you'd like me to ask you?
Speaker 4: First question?
Speaker 2: Thirteen?
Speaker 4: WHOA, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it, all right.
Speaker 6: I knew it was gonna be thirteen. I knew it.
Speaker 1: Wow, I can't believe.
Speaker 4: It makes you know?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 4: So this is this is late breaking news. I just
Speaker 4: literally read this a second ago. So ask a poll.
Speaker 4: You know, Matt Laslow's doing hard work. He's asking lots
Speaker 4: of folks down the hill questions, hard questions. He just
Speaker 4: recently interviewed or got a sound bite from Senator Corey
Speaker 4: Booker about the drone incursions. And Corey Booker just told
Speaker 4: Matt that he was told, Corey was told directly by
Speaker 4: officials that that is not the case, that the FAA
Speaker 4: did not authorize these drones. So what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: on drone gate? You know, what, what is the picture,
Speaker 4: what is going on there? What do you feel in
Speaker 4: your in your connection to to this phenomena. Do you
Speaker 4: think there is an n HI component to this? And
Speaker 4: if there isn't n HI component, why why is it
Speaker 4: happening now? Why the intermingling with seemingly some prosaic drones?
Speaker 2: Wow? You know, I I really don't know, because a
Speaker 2: lot of what I've seen is prosaic. And what I mean,
Speaker 2: what I mean by prosaic is human technology. Even if
Speaker 2: there's like some classified technology involved, you know, whether it's
Speaker 2: ours or others. Most of what I've seen is seems
Speaker 2: to be conventional human technology, even if it's if it's
Speaker 2: clandestine technology or classified technology. Uh, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: interesting reports, but you know, other than that, nothing stands
Speaker 2: out to me as like, Wow, this is like the
Speaker 2: phenomenon taking the chance to engage with us in a
Speaker 2: proactive way. It doesn't seem to me like one of
Speaker 2: those scenarios that if anything, if if this was a flap,
Speaker 2: like a UFO wave or UFO flap, it seems conjured,
Speaker 2: you know, in the sense where I would say, in
Speaker 2: in this case, it seems more like stagecraft rather than
Speaker 2: the phenomenon itself. Just that's just my speculation on it,
Speaker 2: from being you know, half informed. I haven't done like
Speaker 2: a super deep dive on it, but I have been
Speaker 2: keeping notes on it, and and that's that's my best take.
Speaker 1: When he says he hasn't done a super deep dive,
Speaker 1: he means he hasn't called me, because that's sense. I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding. I'm just kidding, everybody, Please continue.
Speaker 4: He's the expert. Yeah, no, And I think it's a
Speaker 4: good take, and it has had a pretty stimulating effect
Speaker 4: I think on maybe the public conversation just because it
Speaker 4: is so maybe fantastical. So what are your thoughts on
Speaker 4: on that kind of.
Speaker 2: Well, so exactly right. And I think that the the
Speaker 2: UFO or the UAP conversation that's now reached the mainstream narrative,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's it's popular or not, in the
Speaker 2: sense of, well, there's still this kind of plausible deniability aspect.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt it's a mainstream in conversation now, but
Speaker 2: that you know, that's exactly an excellent cover for if
Speaker 2: you are trying to either test the public, test the
Speaker 2: reaction and communication systems from you know, local regional first
Speaker 2: responders and how they would respond to such such kind
Speaker 2: of things. So again, just just in my own perspective,
Speaker 2: it seems very human and UAP is like the perfect cover,
Speaker 2: especially with the current conversation going on, whether it be
Speaker 2: domestic or foreign.
Speaker 4: Love it, love it all right, I wanna pass it
Speaker 4: off to deb and she's got a bunch of questions
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, So, also in recent news, Representative Luna came forward
Speaker 3: and discussed the task force regarding disclosure of well, let's
Speaker 3: just say secrets held by the government, and some people
Speaker 3: have high hopes that this will also lead to disclosure
Speaker 3: for UAP. What are your thoughts about the potential of
Speaker 3: this task for us.
Speaker 2: I think it's a step in the right direction, but
Speaker 2: I think initially, you know, you're you're kind of mixing
Speaker 2: in all these different things now, and so you're going
Speaker 2: to further stigmatize the subject in a sense where it's
Speaker 2: now being thrown into a conspiracy basket, where it's being
Speaker 2: put into a basket now with a bunch of other
Speaker 2: hot topics that people do not want to touch, right
Speaker 2: Like somebody people might be interested in UAP transparency, but
Speaker 2: now there's all these other items on the list that
Speaker 2: are going to like instantly turn people off because they
Speaker 2: don't want to look there, and it's too much at once.
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, personally, as an American as
Speaker 2: the United States City. I like the idea that they're
Speaker 2: going to transparency route, but you know, now you're mixing
Speaker 2: all these other things into the UAP conversation on transparency,
Speaker 2: and you know, it has the potential to complicate and
Speaker 2: stigmatize the issue a little bit more and make it
Speaker 2: a little bit more politically charged based on the kind
Speaker 2: of demographics that have certain viewpoints on those hot button issues.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, I do think it's a good thing, but
Speaker 2: you know, there may be a lot of knee jerk
Speaker 2: reactions and now UAP is going to be thrown back
Speaker 2: again into like this conspiracy mix because of all the
Speaker 2: other issues that are being pushed forward in that committee
Speaker 2: and the oversight. Again, I think more oversight's better. I
Speaker 2: think we deserve transparency in all these issues, but again
Speaker 2: it's now it's being mixed in in this cold n
Speaker 2: of other issues that people don't want to look at.
Speaker 2: So it could it could be complicated even not to do.
Speaker 3: Can I ask them quick follow ups or you can
Speaker 3: just say yes or no on this One person mentioned
Speaker 3: the possibility that this could actually be used to continue
Speaker 3: lies and cover up.
Speaker 7: Do you think that there's any possibility of that yes
Speaker 7: or no is fine.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's always the possibility, but I think we're
Speaker 2: at the point where that that does not even matter.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, I want I'm sorry, deb Okay, if
Speaker 1: there's no follow up to that, I want to bring
Speaker 1: up this question taking around the panel, and then we'll
Speaker 1: continue on with Courtney Connected. This is from Creative Call
Speaker 1: and it says, have any of you POT members seen
Speaker 1: reports of doctor Stephen Greer that the droll our drone
Speaker 1: gate is happening because of a cobal of criminal bod
Speaker 1: actors that are doing a psychological type event to cause confusion.
Speaker 1: So why don't we start with uh, Nathan and then
Speaker 1: go all the way around.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's kind of it's interesting. It's on brand
Speaker 4: for Stephen Greer. I think he's you know, he's kind
Speaker 4: of been touting that for quite some time that there's
Speaker 4: going to be this false flag alien invasion.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: That sounds like something that you know, he would say, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, if it's it certainly has caused some confusion,
Speaker 4: but like a lot of things with the media cycle,
Speaker 4: it's it's sort of faded away now. And you know,
Speaker 4: it's interesting that the maybe some of the governors in
Speaker 4: some of the states are still the elected officials are
Speaker 4: still a little bit upset about it, particularly when the
Speaker 4: f A, you know, they said the FAA, FAA said
Speaker 4: these were authorized drones, and there was kind of a
Speaker 4: reaction that that was a bunch of bunk. And we've
Speaker 4: had very conflicting statements. I mean, it's only is a
Speaker 4: good example of I think poor messaging from the government
Speaker 4: just across the board, like different agencies, different perspectives. You know,
Speaker 4: is it truly bad actors or you know, is there
Speaker 4: some criminal behavior behind it. I haven't seen the evidence
Speaker 4: to suggest that. I just think it's it's been a
Speaker 4: very it's a combination of, like James has said, very
Speaker 4: prosaic things, but that has kind of also captured the
Speaker 4: imagination of the media and the public and we kind
Speaker 4: of do what we do with those things and run
Speaker 4: with it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Jebs, I don't even know where to begin with this,
Speaker 3: to be totally honest, Like, obviously these drones are a
Speaker 3: mix of things. We talked about that when we did
Speaker 3: the episode about the drones, Like we just suspect there's
Speaker 3: lots of reasons for what we're seeing or what is
Speaker 3: being seen. I just think that Career tends to go
Speaker 3: slightly to the dark side of things pretty quick.
Speaker 7: And honestly, I haven't seen.
Speaker 3: What he's been putting out because I avoid that, like
Speaker 3: he just is very quick to go there, and I
Speaker 3: from the psychology background, I.
Speaker 7: Just have an aversion to how he presents.
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I haven't seen the report, and no,
Speaker 3: I do not think it's a cabal of bad actors.
Speaker 3: I think there might be some people playing hoaxes and
Speaker 3: missed all the other reasons for the drones though. Absolutely
Speaker 3: of course people are going to jump in on that,
Speaker 3: but they were probably doing drone plates before this and
Speaker 3: they probably will after, So I don't know if that's
Speaker 3: super malicious or bad.
Speaker 7: Okay, that's my two cents on that.
Speaker 1: Courtney connected. Do you have two cents or perhaps even
Speaker 1: three cents? I don't really even have a change person.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't really I'm just going to follow up with
Speaker 5: with deb with an abbreviated version.
Speaker 6: And I've called this one of my biases.
Speaker 5: You know in the past that you know, I used
Speaker 5: to watch him a lot and follow a lot of
Speaker 5: his movies and his information, but over the past ten years.
Speaker 5: I've just kind of filtered it out so I don't
Speaker 5: allow it to come in too much and impact, you know,
Speaker 5: my news or what I what I read, or my
Speaker 5: opinion about things.
Speaker 6: So no, I don't really have an opinion on it.
Speaker 5: I will say I do know that he has made
Speaker 5: claims about false flag and invasions and you know, World.
Speaker 6: War three style stuff in the past, and I thought most.
Speaker 5: Of that was drawn from Warner von Braun. I might
Speaker 5: be wrong, but I felt like he kind of repackaged that.
Speaker 5: So knowing that that's there, that's always going to be
Speaker 5: there and it's always part of kind of his you know,
Speaker 5: prophetic stuff, I think he might have some of his
Speaker 5: own biases that fill in his gaps as well.
Speaker 6: So I'm just not a big proponent of him right now.
Speaker 1: James, Harry Jolly watches your thoughts on God, James, I
Speaker 1: should use an Italian accent for you.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, that's right, man, Come on, JA, watch is
Speaker 2: your thoughts to James on the topic.
Speaker 1: I don't know the things are flying the air over New.
Speaker 2: Jerseys, as they said in the to the Stars Academy
Speaker 2: show they had on on History Channel when they were
Speaker 2: speaking to the Italian researchers. He was like, we could
Speaker 2: not stop this in device that when he's talking about
Speaker 2: that one shot that allegedly shot down the helicopter, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can. I still love that. Yeah. Almost almost as
Speaker 2: amazing as my most famous quote in recent UFO history,
Speaker 2: which occurred here on this show with Jim semi Van.
Speaker 2: It's not about twenty two million dollars, right, there's non
Speaker 2: human intelligence living with us on this planet. It's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2: So this this idea regarding Stephen Greer's cautionary you know,
Speaker 2: the way he's approaching this drone thing goes into yeah,
Speaker 2: a paper he wrote and he you know, he always
Speaker 2: talks about it is when when disclosure serves secrecy And
Speaker 2: this idea that this kind of activity could be used
Speaker 2: for psychological warfare, you know, to prepare the public for
Speaker 2: a threat from non human intelligence and aliens. And although
Speaker 2: the Carol Rosen testimony regarding Warner von Brown heavily contributes
Speaker 2: to that, Stephen Greer had other insiders and whistleblowers that
Speaker 2: came to him saying like, hey, listen, we could press
Speaker 2: a button and essentially launch an event that would be
Speaker 2: perceived by the public as a threat from aliens or
Speaker 2: non human intelligence for whatever purpose would would follow, you know,
Speaker 2: a martial law kind of thing, or you know, unite
Speaker 2: the world against non human intelligence. I don't see that
Speaker 2: as impossible anymore. Really. A few years ago I saw
Speaker 2: that as more unlikely. But as as the time's gone on,
Speaker 2: I see like you would only need like one one event,
Speaker 2: and it would not really take much. It wouldn't even
Speaker 2: take real reverse engineered UFO technology as he proposed. You
Speaker 2: would just need some kind of drone that looks really weird.
Speaker 2: And you know, you could totally stage an event like
Speaker 2: that if you want to go into this h thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jacques Valet has talked about stage UFO events,
Speaker 2: right he had. He in Forbidden Science volume four, he
Speaker 2: talks about securing a document from the CIA that talks
Speaker 2: about stage UFO events in Brazil and Argentina. And I
Speaker 2: believe that he's indicating that that, you know, the the events. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm blanking on the name right now because Lars it
Speaker 2: was not. It wasn't the Coloris event that I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of right now, project Plate. But regardless, you know, in
Speaker 2: Brazil and uh, he was talking I think he was
Speaker 2: talking about those events, and you know, recently had even
Speaker 2: Jeremy Corbel come out publicly talking about this twenty twenty
Speaker 2: seven thing, and it's based on a nineteen seventies document
Speaker 2: that he had read. So I don't I don't want
Speaker 2: to completely undermine that perspective. Stephen Greer does have a
Speaker 2: lot of sources, for better or worse, there some of
Speaker 2: them might be feeding him disinformation, and the idea that
Speaker 2: they're going to use all of this as a threat
Speaker 2: might actually be the disinformation. I don't know. So it's
Speaker 2: complicated in that regard, and I think the best thing
Speaker 2: that we can do is keep an open mind and
Speaker 2: keep every possibility on the table. If he's putting that
Speaker 2: out there, and he's right on a lot of matters
Speaker 2: ahead of his time in a lot of ways, but again,
Speaker 2: his personality and the way that he may say things
Speaker 2: kind of gets in the way and a lot of
Speaker 2: information gets lost unfortunately in that regard. So I want
Speaker 2: to say it shouldn't be dismissed, but you know, take
Speaker 2: it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 1: Thank you, James, and I you know I've heard you
Speaker 1: speak at length about that you were once you know,
Speaker 1: a protege I guess of some sort of doctor Stephen Greer,
Speaker 1: and he did a lot of very very important work,
Speaker 1: including what they say, you know, leading up to that
Speaker 1: that press conference he had at the National Press Club,
Speaker 1: and you know you did see five you know, under
Speaker 1: his tutelage and guidance and have led you know, many
Speaker 1: many people out for experiences. So there is that when
Speaker 1: it comes to this sort of modern stuff that he
Speaker 1: has to say, I'll be honest with you. I don't
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna break out my answer into two parts.
Speaker 1: One is going to be really really simple for everybody,
Speaker 1: and this part is just my opinion. I don't really
Speaker 1: pay much attention to him. He may have good sources
Speaker 1: or great horses, I really don't care very much because
Speaker 1: he got into this personal back and forth with people
Speaker 1: that he didn't like that he thought were stealing the
Speaker 1: narrative or the spotlight. So once you sort of poison
Speaker 1: that water, I don't really want to drink from the
Speaker 1: water anymore. I'm not saying he doesn't have value or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I'm saying I personally don't care much
Speaker 1: what he thinks. And people that have watched CAB historically
Speaker 1: probably know that I've said that before. Secondly, regarding the
Speaker 1: drone the drone incursions or drone gate over the Northeastern
Speaker 1: States and Jersey and picatinee Arsenal and all that which
Speaker 1: Jake Barber talked about, that they actually went out and
Speaker 1: did an op where they looked at They flew their
Speaker 1: helicopter and looked at some of these objects. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to make this very very simple so that everybody
Speaker 1: can understand it. Some of the craft that are flying
Speaker 1: are anomalous craft. Many or maybe most, as James alluded to,
Speaker 1: of the craft that are flying are prosaic aircraft that
Speaker 1: are of a quad copter type, or rotary wing aircraft
Speaker 1: or fixed wing aircraft, or just straight up drones that
Speaker 1: people can buy that are out looking at those smattering
Speaker 1: of aircraft that we don't know what they are. And
Speaker 1: because for seventy or eighty years, nobody has been has
Speaker 1: been willing to step up and answer this question, and
Speaker 1: the current administration is going to be no different. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to break your heart if you think that it will.
Speaker 1: Then that's why they keep coming up with these narratives,
Speaker 1: because how do you explain something that you can't explain
Speaker 1: and say, oh, our airspace is vote there's stuff flying
Speaker 1: here and we can't do anything about it. That's not
Speaker 1: the answer when you're part of the National Command Authority,
Speaker 1: of which the President is the head. But there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people underneath him that don't want to
Speaker 1: admit that there are some things flying out there that
Speaker 1: we don't have control of. So it's very simple. Yes,
Speaker 1: there are some anomalops craft, flying, Yes there are. Sorry
Speaker 1: if that, if that, if that scares you, and most
Speaker 1: of the aircraft that are flying are not anomalists that
Speaker 1: are looking at and looking through sensors and using different
Speaker 1: sorts of ISR technologies to have.
Speaker 4: A looking.
Speaker 1: Okay, pretty to put a ball on it. We're good
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: All right, is it my ques?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: I think it's Courtney's question now right, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: It's me.
Speaker 5: And since James brought a couple of things up in
Speaker 5: his reply, it's got me going between one thing and
Speaker 5: another hair So I was going to bring up the
Speaker 5: UAPSR and ask you to comment that, but I'm going
Speaker 5: to put a pin in it because you brought up
Speaker 5: Jeremy Corbel's reading something in a document.
Speaker 6: But I kind of wanted to segue into your thoughts
Speaker 6: on his.
Speaker 5: I guess it was just a short and it's not
Speaker 5: a documentary, but all of his clips and things from
Speaker 5: being at the hearing him you know, reflecting on what
Speaker 5: happened in the hearing, and basically the culmination of his
Speaker 5: most recent projects, saying something coming in right from upper
Speaker 5: atmosphere or whatever is the lie, okay, And so this
Speaker 5: is like one of the newest things that come in
Speaker 5: has come into the news, and I'm wondering in your
Speaker 5: own processing, where you've come to kind of put that
Speaker 5: in your own research, and then what you think about
Speaker 5: how to guide other researchers about teasing out these very
Speaker 5: subtle differences when you hear sources or stories or.
Speaker 6: Whatever, like how you vet information.
Speaker 5: I think that would be something that people would really
Speaker 5: appreciate hearing about your own process.
Speaker 6: So it's also a two parter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I would just say that
Speaker 2: you can't get you can't hang your hat on something
Speaker 2: that you just don't know. You just have to take
Speaker 2: things with a grain of salt and see if you
Speaker 2: get other data points that connect to that.
Speaker 3: And you have to.
Speaker 2: Consider alternative perspectives. I mean, is the idea that the
Speaker 2: whole something coming in from the from outer space here,
Speaker 2: you know? Is is that is just putting that out there,
Speaker 2: just the disinformation itself. I don't know, right, that's obviously
Speaker 2: something that we can't confirm. So what can you really
Speaker 2: do with that? And if there's nothing that you can
Speaker 2: really do with it, maybe you can talk to a
Speaker 2: few people and gather some information. But that's exactly the
Speaker 2: kind of distraction I would want people to get hung
Speaker 2: up on, rather than focusing on what you can do
Speaker 2: with actionable intelligence, Right, So I guess that's the way
Speaker 2: I would address that.
Speaker 1: And how do people how do people presume to know
Speaker 1: where every intelligence is from? Like, how would he know?
Speaker 1: How could someone just say, oh, they're not from here,
Speaker 1: they're from here, all of them? How does he know that? Who?
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. I don't think career knows.
Speaker 5: But I think people definitely heard about the James Web telescope,
Speaker 5: you know, and there being some signatures from that, So
Speaker 5: I think people were trying to do that and figure
Speaker 5: out actionable intelligence at the time and tease out what
Speaker 5: was coming in. So I just think it's interesting because
Speaker 5: it's a cultural thing that's happened, and I wanted to
Speaker 5: know what your comments were about it, because I was
Speaker 5: sure that you had heard about it, and also in
Speaker 5: wondering how to guide to other researchers when you get
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 6: But you you answered it. Yeah, good enough.
Speaker 1: Here's another one, James, do you want to react to
Speaker 1: this one from?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Maybe we can have Nathan read this in some sort
Speaker 1: of a Northern English. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't do accidents yet. Really, all right, So Greer,
Speaker 4: I guess Career has recently said one, no CE five
Speaker 4: has ever been dangerous, Right, that's right for to say
Speaker 4: that many times, and two all abductions are human. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so your your thoughts on that, James, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think you can make blanket statements like that CE five.
Speaker 2: I mean, generally speaking CE five, if people have a
Speaker 2: negative experience, it generally is a one off, you know,
Speaker 2: And I'm saying that from an informed opinion by going
Speaker 2: out with hundreds of people and speaking with many, many
Speaker 2: thousands of people over the last sixteen years at least
Speaker 2: of doing that work, you know that within itself is
Speaker 2: a long conversation. But to speak generally about it, having
Speaker 2: negative experiences during CE five is a one off, right,
Speaker 2: the thing about abductions being all human, I just I
Speaker 2: don't think you can you can state that, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think, just right, I just it's even as
Speaker 2: career would say, that's non falsifiable, right, you can't prove that.
Speaker 2: So therefore, you know, I I I get his perspective
Speaker 2: in the sense that there's like these weird things that
Speaker 2: come up, right, like in the the Eric Davis and
Speaker 2: Admiral Wilson notes where it says it talks about abductions
Speaker 2: not being from non human intelligence, and you get again
Speaker 2: these weird comments from Jacques Valet talking about all these
Speaker 2: staged UFO events. So I definitely want to say that
Speaker 2: the idea that that there's clandestine groups that stage abductions,
Speaker 2: I think that is absolutely true. But to say that no,
Speaker 2: you know, no abductions are done by non human intelligence,
Speaker 2: I don't. I also think that is not true as well.
Speaker 1: Dan Sherman begs to differ what about all because of
Speaker 1: the abductions that he believes he participated in providing the
Speaker 1: coordinates for and way above Black Because remember.
Speaker 2: I know what I'm saying is I think that there
Speaker 2: are both. I think that they're right. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, is as far as all abductions being human,
Speaker 1: I said, Dan Sherman begs to differ, and I somebody
Speaker 1: was recently on, was it Eleisondo? Some one of these
Speaker 1: thought leaders was on and said, that's a must read
Speaker 1: that way above Black, which is basically like sixty pages long,
Speaker 1: so and it details how they believe coordinates were being
Speaker 1: provided so that other intelligence could go and grab people
Speaker 1: for lack of a better work, so anyway and do
Speaker 1: whatever some kind of experiments. You know, I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you about your reaction to specifically to Dan
Speaker 1: Sherman and psionics, but I think I'm going to go
Speaker 1: somewhere that the audience really wants to go ultimately, So
Speaker 1: we might as well go there now, and you'll tell
Speaker 1: me if you're not comfortable talking about this, and then
Speaker 1: I will go to plan B. Your personal experience with
Speaker 1: non human intelligences?
Speaker 2: What about them in general?
Speaker 1: I mean going from so, okay, so we have people
Speaker 1: in the audience right now that have no sense of,
Speaker 1: first of all, what it's like to call one of
Speaker 1: those in and to be close to a craft that
Speaker 1: you collectively along with a group with the right intention
Speaker 1: we're able to get to come to interact with you.
Speaker 1: And number two that they to actually have an in
Speaker 1: person experience with a non human intelligence. And I'm curious
Speaker 1: if you can satisfy that incredible curiosity that not only
Speaker 1: the audience have, but everybody here on the panel.
Speaker 2: So my first initial events, I did not like invite in.
Speaker 2: It was not a CE five. It was just happenstance.
Speaker 2: Those were a lot more jarring because I was not
Speaker 2: expecting them. They were spontaneous in a sense. So I
Speaker 2: would say initially I was I was pretty shaken up, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I was definitely experiencing like a cognitive dissonance in the
Speaker 2: moment and trying to understand and realize what the hell
Speaker 2: is going on because something that was clearly out of
Speaker 2: the ordinary and didn't fit in the moment. So but
Speaker 2: nothing was ever threatening to me, right, but it was
Speaker 2: it was, you know, jarring, especially the telepathic component, right.
Speaker 2: I think that is the the part that is kind
Speaker 2: of so direct that you know, like if if you
Speaker 2: see a non human intelligence, right, let's just say one
Speaker 2: appears in front of you, you can kind of close
Speaker 2: your eyes or something right like that. But that that
Speaker 2: telepathic component you you can't really shut that off, at
Speaker 2: least in my experience that that it's like I don't
Speaker 2: want to say in a way like, oh, you can't
Speaker 2: escape from that. And I know people talk about, oh,
Speaker 2: well you can say prayers and whatever and it will
Speaker 2: go away. But that that part, I think is the
Speaker 2: most jarring part is there's a kind of mind merge
Speaker 2: or connection that's that's that's going on when you're having
Speaker 2: one of these experiences with non human intelligence, at least
Speaker 2: in in my experiences, you know, So having an experience
Speaker 2: like that is I mean, it's paradigm shifting, but it's
Speaker 2: you know, if you're if you're doing something like a
Speaker 2: CE five to invite the encounter in, it's a different dynamic.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think you know, I I got
Speaker 2: involved with CE five because I was having the experiences
Speaker 2: and you know, I was already in the in the thing,
Speaker 2: right there's no there's no going back at that point.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to go as far as I could,
Speaker 2: I guess, and trying to understand what was going on.
Speaker 2: And at least if I was in the ocean to
Speaker 2: some extent practicing something like CE five or contact work,
Speaker 2: I can navigate a little bit and be part of
Speaker 2: the conversation and in that dynamic. So I'm not just
Speaker 2: an innocent bystander.
Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back to my follow up later on,
Speaker 1: but Miss Jessica's is directly related to this question.
Speaker 2: With this how did you feel after the first time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about that song from Foreigner. I'm just kidding,
Speaker 1: so that after that first time, I was frightened.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going on. I clearly knew
Speaker 2: it was something that was not human in any sense
Speaker 2: that I can perceive, and I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 2: I didn't have any context for what it was at
Speaker 2: that time. I was five six seven, I was just
Speaker 2: I was too young, and at that age I didn't
Speaker 2: associate it with the UFO phenomenon because I there, you know,
Speaker 2: there were just entities and there was a telepathic thing,
Speaker 2: and it's not something that I invited, and it at
Speaker 2: that point in time, it had only frightened me. So
Speaker 2: I at that time, I was literally I was just
Speaker 2: frightened by the experience, and I did, you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't really want it to have been necessarily. In retrospect,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of glad I had experienced it because maybe
Speaker 2: it led to all these other experiences happening, which, again,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I'm grateful.
Speaker 1: For the risk of Nathan taking away my cap dental benefits.
Speaker 1: Can you describe their appearance as you saw them?
Speaker 2: Those initial entities looked almost like a shadow entity. They
Speaker 2: had almost like, I guess you can say, like a
Speaker 2: human type form. Whether that is something that was imprinted
Speaker 2: in my mind or that was actual, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but they looked almost like a human form, shadow entity
Speaker 2: that had a scintillation to them, like a very soft,
Speaker 2: soft glow, and they collapsed into orbs and wow, you know,
Speaker 2: that was basically what they looked like. And again I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a true form or that's something
Speaker 2: that was imprinted in my mind for me to perceive
Speaker 2: to try to make sense of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you you know, you just describe it's a
Speaker 1: shadowy like figure that collapsed into an orb eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it had what you would consider like a head, shoulders, arms,
Speaker 2: and a torso And okay, okay.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I mean, you can't suppose what you know,
Speaker 1: but at least you can describe what you what you saw,
Speaker 1: whether however, that came into your consciousness that you know,
Speaker 1: whether they projected or that's what it was and consensus reality,
Speaker 1: who knows.
Speaker 2: And and just to add to that is that the
Speaker 2: first thing that I heard, and more than heard, I
Speaker 2: felt it in my body was he can see us.
Speaker 2: And that that freaked me out like beyond anything, because
Speaker 2: oh my god, because when I was seeing it originally,
Speaker 2: I'm like, am I seeing this? But once I heard
Speaker 2: and again it's not just hearing, I felt the voice
Speaker 2: and the connection in my body he can see us,
Speaker 2: That's when it became real. Right, there's no question in
Speaker 2: my mind I was actually seeing something at that point.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody in the chat, this is going around
Speaker 1: in Nathan. We are going to get to you later.
Speaker 1: We will get to these questions. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: hang in there. But we got cabbys that got questions.
Speaker 1: And I've just realized I want to do a solo
Speaker 1: one on one so I don't have to share James
Speaker 1: with any of you, and I can just ask all
Speaker 1: my questions, so that could be coming up on a
Speaker 1: future episode. Go ahead, Nathan, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I'll do a four part cab interview with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody will get an hour with Chicken.
Speaker 4: James. All right, So James, I've got thirteen. You answered thirteen,
Speaker 4: and number nine I'm taking off the table because it's
Speaker 4: already been talked about. So give me another number, not nine,
Speaker 4: not thirteen. I love this construct four all right, I
Speaker 4: love this one, all right? So number four, why the
Speaker 4: different humanoid morphologies are some of the NHI taking genetic
Speaker 4: material from Earth to create hybrid intelligent entities from Earth's past?
Speaker 4: This sort of ties in, like I guess a possible
Speaker 4: speculative theory here, right, We've heard about insectoid entities, mantisentities,
Speaker 4: We've heard about you know, small grays, reptilian uh, you know,
Speaker 4: everything is bipedal for the most part. But they also
Speaker 4: have a very sort of tangible connection to something in
Speaker 4: the earth biosphere. And then there's speculation that the Earth
Speaker 4: has gone through some cataclysmic cycles, and so you know,
Speaker 4: I wonder what do you think about that? Do you
Speaker 4: think that there's that there's some sort of genetic retrieval
Speaker 4: and also upscaling a program happening with some of these
Speaker 4: non human intelligent beings.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a lot of possibilities for that one. Again,
Speaker 2: as you kind of inferred as that maybe there's something
Speaker 2: like crypto terrestrial, right, another human like unconventional non human intelligence,
Speaker 2: as Darren would say, that is indigenous to the Earth
Speaker 2: but has a different evolutionary path, or maybe again a
Speaker 2: cryptoterrestrial slash altraterrestrial, that it's an ancient civilization that stemmed off.
Speaker 2: They were here and then a catastrophe happened and they
Speaker 2: either left or you know, went inside the Earth or
Speaker 2: something and continue to develop and interact with us for
Speaker 2: different reasons. You know, A big hats off to mac
Speaker 2: Tani's The Crypto Terrestrials. I think everybody should read that
Speaker 2: book that kind of explores that idea, and that actually
Speaker 2: is recommended by how put Off. Really interesting.
Speaker 1: Of course. You know.
Speaker 2: The other thing that comes up is the extra tempestoral
Speaker 2: hypothesis that some of these intelligences are future humans and
Speaker 2: that's why we're compatible in some ways, right, That's why
Speaker 2: they would want to take samples and observe us and
Speaker 2: maybe try to guide us in a in a direction
Speaker 2: that is optimal or less damaging because they're us in
Speaker 2: the future. And you know, there's all all these different theories,
Speaker 2: you know, but I do think that there is something
Speaker 2: to be said regarding like a universal blueprint, right, Like
Speaker 2: we don't look out into space and see like square
Speaker 2: cubicle suns and galaxies. Right, there's there seems to be
Speaker 2: like a universal blueprint for things. And I forget, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe morphic fields talk to this a bit, like maybe
Speaker 2: just certain sentience and and different Even so, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to the idea that extraterrestrial biological entities
Speaker 2: could be bipedal. Right, that's a possibility. Again, there's there's
Speaker 2: a possibility that non human intelligence has taken samples from
Speaker 2: this planet and you know, created a kind of artificial intelligence,
Speaker 2: like the soft technology that that there that Jake Barber
Speaker 2: talked about and many others have talked about over the years,
Speaker 2: where it's a kind of android or or or something
Speaker 2: and they use that to interface with us because it's
Speaker 2: it's something we can recognize. So again, ultimately I don't
Speaker 2: have the answer for for that, but there's a lot
Speaker 2: of interesting theories to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate you speculating. That's a really good, you know,
Speaker 4: thought exercise, and I agree it's a it's hard to
Speaker 4: land in one particular place, but it is very interesting
Speaker 4: that that pattern recurs in the literature, and and it's
Speaker 4: it's not one unique, right, James. I mean I think
Speaker 4: there are certainly encounters that that fall outside that bound,
Speaker 4: but they're just not as prevalent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I again, I I just think, uh it, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it does seem strange, like, wow, something developed elsewhere.
Speaker 2: It should have evolved a lot differently. But again, I
Speaker 2: you know, you look out into space and all the
Speaker 2: planets are spherical, right, it just seems like that. I
Speaker 2: tend to think that there's there's some kind of universal
Speaker 2: blueprint to some extent.
Speaker 4: Love it, Thank you, Deb.
Speaker 1: That was brilliant, by the way, I blew my mind
Speaker 1: with about like square planets don't exist, like there seems
Speaker 1: to be you blew my mind, James, But there seems
Speaker 1: to be these universal patterns. Uh. And that's so yeah,
Speaker 1: my mind is still coming back together, thank you.
Speaker 2: If something works in the universe, the universe repeats it, right,
Speaker 2: it's an efficient form, So.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Debs. I'm sorry, go ahead, man.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm going to take this to a totally
Speaker 3: different place. I've watched and I think I've told you
Speaker 3: this before, James. I watch Chinese dramas in addition to
Speaker 3: what people know. It's k dramas, and I'm very interested
Speaker 3: in Eastern stuff as you are. And one thing I've
Speaker 3: been picking up on is that some of the Chinese
Speaker 3: dramas talk about the cultivation of gods, that they come
Speaker 3: to the mortal world to cultivate. What's interesting to me
Speaker 3: about that is that when you listen to people talk
Speaker 3: about near death experiences, they also say that we come
Speaker 3: to Earth to learn and to make progress. And then
Speaker 3: when you look at the UAP phenomenon, there are people
Speaker 3: that talk about this idea that nhi or treating the
Speaker 3: planet as a zoo and that they are learning from
Speaker 3: the planet. So what do you think came first this
Speaker 3: ancient traditional belief and cultivation on the planet, or this
Speaker 3: is actually something that existed before we believed it and it's.
Speaker 2: Just a fact, you know, again that isn't There's an
Speaker 2: idea that comes up in a lot of traditions, even
Speaker 2: you know, Tibetan and many others that say actually the
Speaker 2: human form and being like and this kind of gets
Speaker 2: into the hierarchy of being idea, right, that there's like god, gods, angels,
Speaker 2: human animals, you know, bacterial life and and what and
Speaker 2: so in a lot of these traditions they say that
Speaker 2: the human form is like right in the middle. But
Speaker 2: because there's such a synergy of of both positive and
Speaker 2: negative that creates a much higher potential. Like if you
Speaker 2: are incarnated as an angel or a deva or a
Speaker 2: god you know, lowercase G, you actually are so content
Speaker 2: in your your state of being that you have no
Speaker 2: wish to ascend a higher way of being. So you're
Speaker 2: you're not really actively seeking enlightenment because you don't need to.
Speaker 2: So that that kind of gets into like the Buddhist
Speaker 2: thing of the foreknoble truths, and you know, the first
Speaker 2: noble truth being that you know, to live is to suffer,
Speaker 2: and the idea of Buddhism is to eliminate that cycle
Speaker 2: of suffering through enlightenment. Uh so the you know, the
Speaker 2: and you know, the idea of the zoo. There's also
Speaker 2: Dolores Canon's convaulted universe in where like this is a
Speaker 2: school and we're going through these waves the first wave,
Speaker 2: second wave, third wave to awaken the planet the higher
Speaker 2: level of consciousness. So there's a there's a whole lot there.
Speaker 2: I think that you know probably of course, those those
Speaker 2: ancient ideas came first, but we're we're constantly like reinventing
Speaker 2: and reframing those ideas into like modern ways of understanding.
Speaker 1: JESU, this is amazing, isn't this like? U? Is it
Speaker 1: Mike Masters that has this hierarchy of beings? Or is
Speaker 1: that Diana Pisil.
Speaker 2: I know it's Diana, but it's also Tim Taylor. You know,
Speaker 2: Tim Taylor had talked about it, but not you know,
Speaker 2: Monsignor Balducci, who somewhat participated in the Disclosure project through
Speaker 2: Pola Harris. Uh, you know, Pala Harris conducted the interview
Speaker 2: with Monsignor Balducci, who was the top demonologist for the Vatican,
Speaker 2: and he he said, you know, I first of all,
Speaker 2: he said, I couldn't talk about this if Papa did
Speaker 2: not want me to, meaning the Pope number one number two.
Speaker 2: He talked about, you know, if we're kind of like
Speaker 2: here on the on the level of beings, you know,
Speaker 2: the angels are probably like over here and and you know,
Speaker 2: infinitely spiraling upwards. Is this this so that believe it
Speaker 2: or not? That is actually uh, you know, even within
Speaker 2: the angels, right, there's different classes and levels of angels.
Speaker 2: It's not just like others angels. You know, there's like
Speaker 2: the seven or nine levels of angels as well. So
Speaker 2: the higherarchy of being things exist in many cultures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Caroline has given you an amen on that.
Speaker 1: I believe we're going to Courtney connected at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So also, don't forget night school.
Speaker 5: There was another night school in Viola Petite Neil's book
Speaker 5: To the Curtain. Remember she talked about the basically the
Speaker 5: Kade Patamen stuff.
Speaker 6: Right way before in the seventies.
Speaker 2: Right and then crazy how Yeah, it's just crazy, how
Speaker 2: that stuff just is right under our noses. As Robert
Speaker 2: Bigelow would.
Speaker 6: Say, right, I'm going to go even more like crazy
Speaker 6: and on your noses.
Speaker 5: So one of my questions coming in which partially already answered,
Speaker 5: but I think it can go further.
Speaker 6: And this is just your personal opinion.
Speaker 5: And also maybe with the caveat going in that NHI
Speaker 5: contact is neutral or benign. Okay, let's stay out of
Speaker 5: the super positive or the super dark and just start
Speaker 5: in as like a formula benign. So one of the
Speaker 5: things that you're seeing is people who have been having
Speaker 5: these experiences since they were kids. Right, And so the
Speaker 5: reason I kind of brought up viola petite neil is
Speaker 5: there's some you know, talk about how those contact experiences
Speaker 5: can shape your perception right from the time you're little
Speaker 5: all the way over the course of your life. And
Speaker 5: some people talk about being like multiple generation experiencers and
Speaker 5: having these experiences since their children. So I'm just wondering
Speaker 5: because I think this is a really important question about
Speaker 5: that entanglement piece. Right when you're feeling like you're going
Speaker 5: to have some kind of contact or there is some
Speaker 5: kind of sensory experience that lets you know that you
Speaker 5: might have an encounter, can you describe that to people,
Speaker 5: maybe if you have some personal feelings of what you've
Speaker 5: noticed in your own sensory experience before an encounter, or
Speaker 5: maybe even like different types of things that you've heard
Speaker 5: from other people, how they can kind of tell beforehand,
Speaker 5: because sometimes you know, we hear that, we can feel
Speaker 5: it before it happens. And even with like the limits,
Speaker 5: you know, they showed up right at you know, a
Speaker 5: certain place, you know before favor got there.
Speaker 3: So is there some.
Speaker 5: Little takeaways that you can give people about what it
Speaker 5: feels like when there's some kind of precognition or is
Speaker 5: there some kind of knowing before an encounter.
Speaker 7: With it.
Speaker 2: In many cases there are, And I mean I don't
Speaker 2: think you recognize it until having multiple encounters, until you
Speaker 2: and until you're able to kind of recognize it for
Speaker 2: what it is actually. I mean for me a lot
Speaker 2: of times, I mean, I maybe I'm a bit biased
Speaker 2: just because I've I've gone now to do contact work
Speaker 2: and stuff. But you know a lot of times, like
Speaker 2: if I know it's it's going to be a good night,
Speaker 2: I can feel it before it happens. I feel like
Speaker 2: it's almost like personally for me, I feel like a
Speaker 2: very mild nausea, but it feels good. Is like like
Speaker 2: almost like a little bit giddy. You know, there could
Speaker 2: be like a buzz like quality to it. And you
Speaker 2: know a lot of people again, I know you didn't
Speaker 2: want to get into the positive negative thing really, but
Speaker 2: maybe that's being able to sense this other intelligence and
Speaker 2: you're kind of feeling their frequency right based on the
Speaker 2: connection of consciousness or or whatever.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But you know, again it could if you're going to
Speaker 2: have an encounter. Sometimes there's it's it's you know, pre
Speaker 2: there's like high strangeness that starts to happen, maybe a
Speaker 2: day before, maybe a week before. There'll be a series
Speaker 2: of high strangeness events that begin to occur. And I
Speaker 2: get at the at first, maybe it's the first or
Speaker 2: second or third time whatever it's happening to you, you're
Speaker 2: kind of like, oh my god, what's going on? But
Speaker 2: by the twentieth thirtieth, fiftieth hundredth time that you're having
Speaker 2: this happen, I mean you kind of have a feeling okay,
Speaker 2: I kind of see what's going on here, like you know,
Speaker 2: it's leading to something, and people can speculate, oh that
Speaker 2: this kind of plays into the idea of Jacques Valais
Speaker 2: meta control system. And I mean people hear that, and
Speaker 2: it's not in a paranoid sense. He's not saying it
Speaker 2: like oh, it's just something's controlling us, right kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I think the name could deter people, but you know it,
Speaker 2: I gess and it's just not like, oh wow, this
Speaker 2: encounter happens. There are sensations or things that can happen
Speaker 2: before an encounter, like precognitive dreams or high levels of
Speaker 2: synchronicity that are just absurd or again, like even for
Speaker 2: me generally, I'll have a very mild nausea and almost
Speaker 2: giddy type feeling, and I know when I go outside
Speaker 2: that there's gonna be something there.
Speaker 1: James, we have a lot of questions for you in
Speaker 1: the chat here that I've starred, so I'd like to
Speaker 1: take them as a lightning round where you do kind
Speaker 1: of quick answers so we can continue going around the horn.
Speaker 1: Is that okay? Yes, sir, But the first one is
Speaker 1: gonna come you guys can't even see it. It's from
Speaker 1: Jason Robbins, who is his mom my college in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: Dean College. His mom was on the board for twenty
Speaker 1: nine years. That means that Jason Robbins gets preferential treatment.
Speaker 1: And his question is quite simple, James, it is do
Speaker 1: you ever get goosebumps before an encounter?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Personally, I don't necessarily get goosebumps. I get what I explained,
Speaker 2: I get a giddiness maybe even sometimes of like a
Speaker 2: mild Kundalini type thing where you know, I can say,
Speaker 2: like my bio field or subtle energy body can sense
Speaker 2: it before my body or my mind does, and I
Speaker 2: know by now what that feeling is, right, Like I
Speaker 2: can consider it subtle energy and there's some kind of
Speaker 2: activity in the subtle energy field. And that's how I know.
Speaker 2: You know, generally speaking, if you have some kind of
Speaker 2: subtle energy, the majority of people, if they're not familiar
Speaker 2: with it, are not gonna know that it's going on.
Speaker 2: There's physical sensations to that. But if you're familiar with
Speaker 2: the experience and you say, okay, there's some kind of
Speaker 2: like activity in my subtle energy body or field, you
Speaker 2: know that can mean a number of things. And if
Speaker 2: you're familiar with that experience, you take note and you
Speaker 2: know that's what it is for what it is.
Speaker 1: Okay, So no to goosebumps, but not just yeah no,
Speaker 1: but he gets a certain his his he has an
Speaker 1: awareness before he actually can see or or he feels it,
Speaker 1: I guess before he sees it or hears it or
Speaker 1: something like that. Is that Is that the simple way
Speaker 1: to say that or do.
Speaker 2: A lot of times? Yeah, and again it's it's so
Speaker 2: for the best way to translate this for most people,
Speaker 2: especially if you're not aware of like subtle energy. I'm
Speaker 2: putting in quotations because people want to interpret that a
Speaker 2: bunch of different ways. You're are or whatever your bio
Speaker 2: field is that for most people, they're gonna notice a
Speaker 2: shift in their emotions there, and it's gonna be spontaneous.
Speaker 2: So but there are if you're sensitive to it, there's
Speaker 2: also gonna be physical sensations to it. So you might
Speaker 2: have a shift in your emotion and you don't understand
Speaker 2: why that's happening. I mean again, you can kind of
Speaker 2: trace that back and it's it's actually your subtle energy field.
Speaker 2: And I gain for me that I could. I have
Speaker 2: enough experience with the encounters, you know, both spontaneously and
Speaker 2: through uh, you know, human initiated contact events that I
Speaker 2: can notice it.
Speaker 1: I understand exactly what you're saying, because this is how
Speaker 1: I feel when Victor's on duty at the paradise making pizza.
Speaker 1: It's the aura around me. I could feel when I'm
Speaker 1: about to have a great New York pizza. I get
Speaker 1: that same feeling. When Victor is not on duty, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get that. So I see well, and I want.
Speaker 2: To say, just like people think, oh, like, oh, subtle
Speaker 2: energy body and biofield, and this is kind of woo woo,
Speaker 2: But there there are physical sensations to it, so it's
Speaker 2: not just like this metaphysical idea. There's layers and layers
Speaker 2: and layers going from metaphysical to physical, and as you
Speaker 2: become sensitive to them, you're gonna you're going to be
Speaker 2: able to notice them and feel them as they occur
Speaker 2: in real time, the.
Speaker 1: Outermost layer working down into the physical. I smell what
Speaker 1: you're cooking, not with you.
Speaker 2: What what I'm trying to say is it's not just
Speaker 2: some like imagination field right there. It is an actual
Speaker 2: thing as far as we can determine as even though
Speaker 2: if we don't completely understand it in the scientific sense,
Speaker 2: you know, there's this kind of thing where it's from
Speaker 2: from metaphysical to actual physical and physics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you know this, this emotion, these emotions, if
Speaker 1: you've ever felt before it occurred, if you felt and
Speaker 1: been in love, you felt this. So anyway, let me
Speaker 1: get to these. Let's do these as a lightning round.
Speaker 1: This is from Mick from England. Question James, what does
Speaker 1: James think about the Secret Space Program? Is there such
Speaker 1: a thing to do with the title SS program?
Speaker 2: So Nick is awesome, Thank you, he's he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: I I do think that there is I mean, like
Speaker 2: look to think that there I always say this is
Speaker 2: that I the way I kind of try to differentiate
Speaker 2: between the disinformation that's been put out there about the
Speaker 2: secret Space program because it is so sensitive. It's one
Speaker 2: of the most sensitive things about this entire thing, right,
Speaker 2: Like you consider what Dan Sherman was doing part of
Speaker 2: the secret space program. So I like to just call
Speaker 2: it the yeah, absolutely, uh, the classified space program. But
Speaker 2: again as far as the name, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: there are people within Aviary who were being recruited to
Speaker 2: what we consider the classified or secret space program. Once
Speaker 2: they went out into the private sector, and initially they
Speaker 2: were actually denied access even though they were being positioned
Speaker 2: by somebody. I mean, they were recommended by people within
Speaker 2: that program and subsequently denied at least initially as far
Speaker 2: as I know. But there is such a thing. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of disinformation out there. People are going to
Speaker 2: have a knee jerk reaction, and I have no doubt
Speaker 2: that's by design.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Aid, great answer, James, and very
Speaker 1: very enlightening pipes. Nathan would like to read this one.
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, so from disclosure ladies, thank you. A
Speaker 4: question for James. Can you explain how the telepathic messages
Speaker 4: come through. Is it a commanding voice?
Speaker 2: So this is the thing, right, It's when when people
Speaker 2: here telepathic, they automatically assume it's this kind of audible
Speaker 2: sound that they're hearing, and that is one hundredth of
Speaker 2: what is going on. And oh that's so sweet, my.
Speaker 1: Polar bear, my little dog is sitting next to the thing.
Speaker 2: Hi, Julia, polar bear. Because I'm big and white and
Speaker 2: I guess chubby or around or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're looking like you have not much body fat when
Speaker 1: I saw you.
Speaker 2: No, I don't, but you know, compared to her. Ah,
Speaker 2: So I I really, I mean, I really encourage people
Speaker 2: to listen to the telepathy tapes, and you have to
Speaker 2: listen to all of them because they what they explain
Speaker 2: in the telepathy tapes is there's some points in there
Speaker 2: is exactly what I had experienced, but with non human intelligence, right,
Speaker 2: And I think the idea of telepathy from human to
Speaker 2: human is way more incredible because with non human intelligence,
Speaker 2: we can speculate, oh, well, they're more consciously involved, evolved,
Speaker 2: or they're using a symbiosis of consciousness and technology to
Speaker 2: facilitate telepathy, but just doing it. I hate to say this,
Speaker 2: just doing it raw, human to human, no technology, no devices,
Speaker 2: pure telepathy is way more incredible to me the idea
Speaker 2: of that. And again there's a feeling to it, there's
Speaker 2: a sensation to it physically emotionally. Like again, if I'm
Speaker 2: talking about these subtle bodies, right, there's different layers of
Speaker 2: your subtle body and telepathy, it's like a frequency vibration
Speaker 2: that rings through each level and each layer of that
Speaker 2: subtle body to your physicality, to your nervous system, through
Speaker 2: your body, and it's translated did in emotions and and
Speaker 2: and knowing and and all these sensations all at once simultaneously.
Speaker 2: That's why it's so hard to describe. It's like electricity
Speaker 2: going into a circuit board and creating light within an instant.
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's this whole multi lever level process
Speaker 2: that's happening simultaneously and so fast that like you have
Speaker 2: to almost do like a Vipassana approach of noticing the
Speaker 2: sensations to try to break it down layer by layer
Speaker 2: by layer by layer over different times of experiencing it
Speaker 2: and and then later on contemplating it in a Vtara
Speaker 2: type contemplative meditative approach and trying to have insight into
Speaker 2: what occurred. So it's it's not just a commanding voice
Speaker 2: and and and the word commanding sounds almost condescending. I
Speaker 2: don't I'm not saying that's the impression you're trying to give.
Speaker 2: But there was no comm and about it. It was
Speaker 2: just like so much of meeting you on the level,
Speaker 2: right as if you know this is to get very
Speaker 2: much to like what Jake Barber was actually saying about
Speaker 2: the mother thing, right, like love and the loving nature
Speaker 2: of it is if it was like you talking to
Speaker 2: your younger self.
Speaker 1: Speak of somebody that needs to be on the show,
Speaker 1: James's show. It's Jake Barber. Uh, this one's the gray Owl.
Speaker 1: Perhaps dead would like to read.
Speaker 2: This one.
Speaker 7: Question for James. Did any of the X rays you
Speaker 7: bumped into shape shift?
Speaker 1: I guess that means like I think X rays might mean,
Speaker 1: like some other intelligence. I think the answer was yes
Speaker 1: from the first encounter.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say so from those entities, which
Speaker 2: I mean, for all intents and purposes, we can consider
Speaker 2: the non human intelligence I didn't see like a UFO
Speaker 2: associated with them necessarily directly, I mean so, But to
Speaker 2: get short to the answer, Yeah, they shape shifted from
Speaker 2: almost like a human type shadow light entity thing into
Speaker 2: an orb so that that was a shape shift. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if that is all physically going on
Speaker 2: or if it's something that's implanted in my perception via
Speaker 2: what Joseph Burke's MD caused a virtual experience model.
Speaker 1: Oh as James opened all possibilities. Maybe perhaps that Courtney's
Speaker 1: dulctones to read this one.
Speaker 6: QQQ.
Speaker 5: Did you think at the time that I could have
Speaker 5: been a dream, it could have been a dream, or
Speaker 5: did you know it was real?
Speaker 6: I think they put I in, but I think they
Speaker 6: mean it right.
Speaker 2: Right, No, no, no, no, it was. It was a
Speaker 2: million percent real because in some instances I I physically
Speaker 2: left the room, right, Ah, I it was, no, it was.
Speaker 2: It was not a dream at all. And and any
Speaker 2: I've I've had contact type dreams, right, and that that's
Speaker 2: a whole nother that's a whole nother tangent.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But no, these these were very real. I was awake,
Speaker 2: I was frightened, I was putting the blankets over myself.
Speaker 2: In some cases, I left the room many times because
Speaker 2: it happened, like I said, more than half a dozen times.
Speaker 2: Maybe up to a dozen times until I was about
Speaker 2: the age of eleven or twelve, and it was the
Speaker 2: last time that it had happened. So they they were
Speaker 2: very real in the sense of I was I was
Speaker 2: absolutely awake and startled and frightened.
Speaker 1: So awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, no it's not, but yes it
Speaker 2: is in retrospect it I'm glad that I had experienced it,
Speaker 2: all right, But at the time I didn't know what
Speaker 2: to make of it.
Speaker 1: And I've heard a lot of adults say that about
Speaker 1: experiences they had when their child and the childhood of
Speaker 1: with the phenomenon, So it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And just so you know, Beatrice is your cab colleague.
Speaker 1: She is co host on the True Crime the Cab TCU.
Speaker 1: So there you go, Courtney. That's Beatrice Beatrice Courtney So
Speaker 1: and the rest of the cab is Nathan Debs. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll see here on those episodes with TCU. She's done
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of help getting those shows together.
Speaker 1: Uh the great Oh wait, maybe I should do my
Speaker 1: Bob Marlina for this, James, did you happen to take
Speaker 1: notice on a surrounding environment while it's ind The president
Speaker 1: of X rays and r UFO's man, I wonder the
Speaker 1: h like that, did you did you notice what was
Speaker 1: so like when this is happening, are you noticing the
Speaker 1: environment around either the craft or that actual entity that
Speaker 1: you're having communication with.
Speaker 2: I wish that the question was a little bit more
Speaker 2: specific because.
Speaker 1: That trees, grass, wind, smell.
Speaker 2: And in different I mean, the the surrounding environment was as.
Speaker 1: It was, so you did take me? So then the answers, yes,
Speaker 1: you did take notice of the surrounding environment around that,
Speaker 1: or were you like laser focus where you're staring at
Speaker 1: this entity or or this craft or whatever it might
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was definitely locked onto it, but there
Speaker 2: I you know, I still had peripheral and everything was
Speaker 2: as it as it was in all regards.
Speaker 1: Okay, and who are we back? Now? We're back to Nathan.
Speaker 4: All right, So, James, I often discuss the connection between
Speaker 4: consciousness and the UAPs. Do you believe experiencers are interacting
Speaker 4: with an external intelligence or is this more of a
Speaker 4: co created reality?
Speaker 1: This is kind of like Beatrice's question.
Speaker 2: So I do think that there's different circumstances. I think
Speaker 2: that in different cases that there's different things going on.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I've had experiences where there was no
Speaker 2: doubt in my mind that it was another form of
Speaker 2: intelligence as real and physical in this universe as me
Speaker 2: and the other. Right, But I do think that there's
Speaker 2: definitely experiences where it is this kind of co created
Speaker 2: reality thing. So I don't want to say it's one
Speaker 2: or the other. It's both. I think that's occurring if
Speaker 2: you're tak into account both like u A p UFO
Speaker 2: and phenomenology and anomalous experiences and lucid dreaming and every
Speaker 2: and the whole thing. So I think that both things
Speaker 2: are going on, right, I don't think it's one of
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 4: Could you extrapolate a little bit on maybe account non
Speaker 4: duality might intersect with that question.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, if you're if you're coming at it from
Speaker 2: a non duality aspect, you can go all the way
Speaker 2: from the top of that and say that this is
Speaker 2: all kind of consciousness just interacting with itself to the
Speaker 2: very kind of like crude version of every different sentient
Speaker 2: intelligence is separate but yet connected, uh, and is learning
Speaker 2: through interact with each other. But on the top of that,
Speaker 2: it's it's really just the universe growing and learning from itself.
Speaker 2: So there's where there's there's a lot of different ways
Speaker 2: to interpret that, because in that sense, it's like if
Speaker 2: you're interacting with something like an angel.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I came to face to face with this light being
Speaker 2: entity during my trauma induced out of body experience. That
Speaker 2: kind of facilitated what is often described in near death
Speaker 2: experiences where I felt that I was not separate from
Speaker 2: this entity at all, Like I just knew, I had
Speaker 2: this knowing of it, and like, is that like my
Speaker 2: higher self? Is that me on a higher reality planted
Speaker 2: dimension or is that just uh an angelic guardian that
Speaker 2: I felt so close to that I couldn't tell the
Speaker 2: difference between me and it, if that makes sense. So
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's a lot of ways you can
Speaker 2: take that.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 2: Don't think I mean for me personally, I don't like
Speaker 2: to get stuck in the idea of one or the other.
Speaker 2: I like to just let things be as they are.
Speaker 2: And to some extent, there is a face value aspect
Speaker 2: to it, where there's us here and there's this other sentience,
Speaker 2: just like there's me and you guys are all individual sentience,
Speaker 2: although there might be non local aspects and we might
Speaker 2: be the same organism that can resonate together and and
Speaker 2: come together as you know, one consciousness in different levels.
Speaker 2: I do think that there are fractals of that and
Speaker 2: that's expressed through our personalities and bodies and all that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you don't, I just want to
Speaker 4: what you're making the point here is just so good.
Speaker 4: I want to if you could go to talk about
Speaker 4: a little bit further. But it's the multidimensionality of the experience, right,
Speaker 4: So that it's just like the multidimensionality of a personal
Speaker 4: experience with a friend.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So there's the you know, you're meeting face to face,
Speaker 4: You're you're communicating, you have a you have a history together.
Speaker 4: You know that history informs the nature of your communication
Speaker 4: and what you feel in that communication that's taking place,
Speaker 4: and that so you're you can interpret that exchange from
Speaker 4: from that one you know facet, right, But if you
Speaker 4: turn the facet in a different direction, you can you
Speaker 4: can interpret that exchange between you know, maybe where you
Speaker 4: grew up and how how you happen to just intersect
Speaker 4: because you grew up in the same geography. Uh, you
Speaker 4: can keep turning that facet, you know, and see maybe
Speaker 4: more macroscopically, you know, just your two human beings that
Speaker 4: are interacting in the environment, so you can keep turning
Speaker 4: the facet and gleaning different meaning from the exchange. And
Speaker 4: I think that's a critical aspect of this, right It's
Speaker 4: it's it's to not just look at it from the
Speaker 4: from one facet, it's to look at all facets of
Speaker 4: this of this diamond, if you will.
Speaker 2: Well, that's yeah, absolutely, and I think there's something to
Speaker 2: be learned from each of those facets. Is kind of
Speaker 2: like an important takeaway from that.
Speaker 1: And we have this this question right here, Debs. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're reading or Courtney, I don't remember
Speaker 1: who read last, but the question right here from our
Speaker 1: chat moderator Gangster original Gangster Julie.
Speaker 7: I'll go for it.
Speaker 3: Must we accept our status in the hierarchy or can
Speaker 3: you change your stars?
Speaker 7: If you've tried and failed, are you punished?
Speaker 1: Meaning that hierarchy that Diana Pisolkos spoke on, I think
Speaker 1: I think that's what she means.
Speaker 2: So if we're talking about that, must we accept it?
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have to accept anything, but you know,
Speaker 2: my approach is generally acknowledge whatever it is. Right, if
Speaker 2: there is a hierarchy, then that's that's what it is.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't overly identify with anything like that in the
Speaker 2: sense where we're putting ourselves in our place or we're
Speaker 2: going to get let other advanced intelligence put us in
Speaker 2: our place or determine where we should be. So I
Speaker 2: think that, I mean, if there are beings that are
Speaker 2: more advanced, either technologically or spiritually or in wisdom or whatever,
Speaker 2: let's I mean, I don't see any problem with accepting
Speaker 2: that for what it is. Just like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: like a dog isn't on the level of our sentience
Speaker 2: in the in the way it can express its intelligence
Speaker 2: and with intention and foresight the way that we can.
Speaker 2: You know, there's probably other intelligen says that are more
Speaker 2: advanced as than us in just that same way, and
Speaker 2: by acknowledging that we can then learn from it and
Speaker 2: rise to that level. If we just ignore it and
Speaker 2: like like there's nothing higher than us, that's kind of
Speaker 2: arrogant in a sense. So like why not, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: so why not acknowledge that and learn from it? Like
Speaker 2: what example is that showing us? What possibility is that
Speaker 2: showing us? I don't see it as a thing like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're below these mighty entities. It's like, wow, we can
Speaker 2: we can attain that, right, we can learn from that, James.
Speaker 1: It's the whole thing is Star Trek. The entire show
Speaker 1: was was that.
Speaker 2: I didn't I was not a Star Trek fan.
Speaker 1: You know. I was, Okay, go do your homework right now, James,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: All right, circumbstantial. I was just when I grew up.
Speaker 2: Star Wars was what was, you know, re enter theaters
Speaker 2: when they started in the prequels, and so I was
Speaker 2: just more familiar with that. And I love the Lightsaber
Speaker 2: duels and the Force.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. I love Star Wars. But Star Trek, the
Speaker 1: original one, basically, that was their whole thing was to
Speaker 1: go out to interact with these intelligences, not to disturb
Speaker 1: them or change their outcomes, but to learn from them.
Speaker 1: And they spoke that theme played out over and over
Speaker 1: in that first iteration of Star Trek. Maybe the other
Speaker 1: ones too, but I really didn't watch them or care
Speaker 1: about them. I think miss Jessica is asking, here, can
Speaker 1: you have an experience in utero? And I think, at
Speaker 1: least in Dan Sherman's case, the answer would have been yes,
Speaker 1: if you believe that.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's certainly stories of it, so I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know from personal experience. There're stories of it.
Speaker 2: That's all I can make of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Courtney connected.
Speaker 6: Readin. That's Dean readon For those who don't know.
Speaker 5: Raydin has done experiments suggesting that all things are perceived
Speaker 5: in the body slightly before reality itself.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's what you answered earlier, So.
Speaker 2: I think that. So yeah, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's before it's in reality itself per se because
Speaker 2: if you're sensing it, you're sensing something. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think there's definitely something to that, and I did talk
Speaker 2: to that a little bit before right there. When you're
Speaker 2: talking about anything psychic or psionic, there are physical components
Speaker 2: to it again that I think translates through these the
Speaker 2: subtle realities and through your subtle energy field and subtle
Speaker 2: body before you feel the body sensation, Then you feel
Speaker 2: the body sensation, and then you can perceive whatever whatever
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: I think Julie's saying that wasn't a question. It was
Speaker 1: a statement that she put in caps. Thank you, Julie, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: He's written about it and a number of his books
Speaker 2: where you talked about the you know, microseconds before somebody
Speaker 2: sees an image, they feel the feeling that correlates with
Speaker 2: the emotion that they should feel before the image arises
Speaker 2: on the computer screen. As the experiment that they did,
Speaker 2: and they were they had devices on the person's skin
Speaker 2: that could test for that.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm gonna anger the entire panel by doing
Speaker 1: two questions. Uh So, Nate's like, I'm I'm okay, man,
Speaker 1: go ahead, bro. So uh this first question, it should
Speaker 1: be very quick. Did most of your knowledge? Is this
Speaker 1: something like do you study these things in college? Or
Speaker 1: is this all self taught? Reading books and so forth.
Speaker 2: I hate to tell you that I've never ever been
Speaker 2: to college.
Speaker 1: No nobody knows. Because the people you could vort with
Speaker 1: are like PhDs, people that you share ideas with. So
Speaker 1: it doesn't doesn't matter whether you've been to college or
Speaker 1: whether what degree you have. You're extremely extremely well educated.
Speaker 1: And that's why the company you keep are people that
Speaker 1: did get a classic at you know, college degrees, but
Speaker 1: they come and they speak with you to bounce ideas
Speaker 1: off of. So that's a testament to you. The next
Speaker 1: one we're gonna play. Is gonna be fun, James. It's
Speaker 1: called fill in the blank? Are you ready remember these
Speaker 1: high school fill in the blank? Fill in the blank
Speaker 1: is going to be the person I have not spoken
Speaker 1: with that I really want to speak with is blank
Speaker 1: because of blank. Nathan, you're gonna have to increase my
Speaker 1: form one okay after this one.
Speaker 2: That's a good one though, Like that, man, I I'd
Speaker 2: really have to think about that. I'm sorry, I'm not
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: You could even throw a Jesse Michaels in there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, why does it have to be
Speaker 2: somebody that's here and now?
Speaker 1: No, Like, it could be no, literally, it could be well,
Speaker 1: you know, in theory, because it would win our appetite
Speaker 1: for what what, what's possible? What could come if that
Speaker 1: person has already passed.
Speaker 2: I mean that there's there's so many there's so many
Speaker 2: people on that list. There's there's too many people on
Speaker 2: that list for me, Okay, too many people. And you
Speaker 2: know it's not even necessarily people that are like in
Speaker 2: the UFO field, like right, I mean edgar Mitchell is
Speaker 2: somebody that I had I planned on reaching out to
Speaker 2: a number of times, and I just never did, I
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have got a hold of them. And then
Speaker 2: you know, again he passed away. You know right now
Speaker 2: that when you say that, I'm just thinking about the
Speaker 2: people I missed the opportunity to speak with.
Speaker 1: Interesting, So there's nobody out there that's tickling your fancy
Speaker 1: that you're like, man, I really want to talk to
Speaker 1: this person.
Speaker 2: I mean there's I want to talk to everybody, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, other than me, because like that would be too obvious,
Speaker 1: but someone you haven't had on yet.
Speaker 4: I'd love this question too, because for someone out there
Speaker 4: they want to talk to James, Oh yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I really try to make myself available and he does
Speaker 4: everyone just to be clear, and I.
Speaker 2: Mean I have to. I go down the list and
Speaker 2: like I'll be backed up by like sometimes weeks trying
Speaker 2: to get back to everybody, the emails, dms and like
Speaker 2: everything I get and and then I'm trying to Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's tough, but I mean somebody that just passed
Speaker 2: away the other day is doctor Robert Gilbert. Right, he's
Speaker 2: not really in the UFO field so much. He's kind
Speaker 2: of on Gaya and unfortunately I discovered him late, you know,
Speaker 2: and like I'm not really even a fan of guy,
Speaker 2: because they have a lot of disinformation on there because
Speaker 2: it's an entertainment thing and whatever they're they're generating money.
Speaker 2: They have some fantastic programs. Nonetheless, in certain cases and
Speaker 2: other ways, I don't know if it's just entertainment or
Speaker 2: there somebody is purposely utilizing their platform to put disinformation out.
Speaker 2: But there are good platforms, good things on there too
Speaker 2: at the same time, So you know, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: what it is. Uh, Like, you know, doctor Robert Gilbert
Speaker 2: was awesome man. I just I would have loved to
Speaker 2: talk to him. I tried to have him on another individual.
Speaker 2: I tried to speak to his Greg Braden, right, I'd
Speaker 2: love to talk to him his Yeah, his PR people.
Speaker 2: I guess they didn't think my channel is big enough,
Speaker 2: so they kind of turned me away a few times.
Speaker 7: I tried to help with that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, just no through inside contacts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, you know, eventually they just stopped
Speaker 2: responding to me. I would like every six months, I
Speaker 2: would be like, hey, you know, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: he was on Danny Jones recently talking about Greg Braden,
Speaker 2: which was kind of he asked more questions I guess
Speaker 2: that I kind of would have asked. So it's not
Speaker 2: the same as talking to him. But I liked that
Speaker 2: he was interviewed by somebody who's going to ask not
Speaker 2: the same questions, but along the same line. So that
Speaker 2: was a great conversation. But I mean, yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: ton of there's there's a ton of people that that
Speaker 2: I would love to talk to. But you know, the
Speaker 2: first thing that is going to come to my mind
Speaker 2: immediately is people that I missed the opportunity to speak
Speaker 2: with because I passed away.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting that that that's the case, you know, But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: I thought someone said, good night, Oh same guide to disclosure.
Speaker 1: Yea to Latina's there, Carolina and Betris right here. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you answered that way. But because there
Speaker 1: are people that aren't involved in UFOs Ross Cultart just
Speaker 1: had someone talking about it was a lot about not
Speaker 1: only the Pyramids but other Egyptian artifacts that there is
Speaker 1: absolutely no explanation for how these things were built. And
Speaker 1: then they discovered I don't know, they discovered in Scotland
Speaker 1: that's hundreds of thousands of years old that looks like
Speaker 1: there was some sort of an intelligent civilization there they
Speaker 1: did obviously go Beckley Tepe, but now there are other places.
Speaker 1: So those some of those guys like like Graham Hancock,
Speaker 1: which blow my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think part of I mean, I
Speaker 2: believe that is part of disclosure is our ancient past.
Speaker 2: I don't think we can have full disclosure of the
Speaker 2: UFO phenomenon without understanding our agent past and our connection
Speaker 2: to these non human intelligence which I think in the
Speaker 2: ancient world that we had open relationships with.
Speaker 1: Everything's gonna be okay, thank you. We haven't seen you
Speaker 1: here in a while, Delta, But what's up? All right?
Speaker 1: So we're really about out of time. But if you
Speaker 1: guys want to do a quick run around and let
Speaker 1: everybody get in a last question, I think we need
Speaker 1: to do that. James.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to ask you to pick a number,
Speaker 4: but I do want you to talk to this. This
Speaker 4: sort of relates to one of the questions that I have.
Speaker 4: But what has engaging with the phenomenon taught you about
Speaker 4: engaging with human beings?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Nathan, increase your own four.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, And this is this is a crucial
Speaker 2: point actually that I did learn and I feel fortunate
Speaker 2: enough to have learned early on is that if you
Speaker 2: can engage with your fellow human beings that what don't
Speaker 2: even bother engaging with the phenomenon. If you can't do
Speaker 2: that simple thing, it's it's you're missing the whole point.
Speaker 2: You the I mean, you have these wow, it's like wow,
Speaker 2: you get this is there's these non human intelligence and
Speaker 2: we can interact with them, and that's amazing, but none
Speaker 2: of it means a damn if we can't communicate amongst
Speaker 2: each other, right, you're missing the point, right, And and
Speaker 2: that's in my opinion. So you know, people want to
Speaker 2: kind of put non human intelligence on a pedestal and
Speaker 2: like why they're they're advanced. There these great beings and
Speaker 2: these other humans. I just can't stand them. It's like,
Speaker 2: you're missing the whole point. You're missing the whole point.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: This, this beautiful relationship and family right here right now.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's there's this I don't want to
Speaker 2: go on too long on this, but there's there's this
Speaker 2: idea that while you know, well, we're we're gonna side
Speaker 2: with the non human intelligence and we're gonna override this
Speaker 2: evil cabal of humans that have right, Like, I understand
Speaker 2: the frustration. I understand these kind of things, and there
Speaker 2: are bad actors and there are people that work in
Speaker 2: self interest. But I think that you're jumping the gun there,
Speaker 2: Like we need to work on the here and now
Speaker 2: and the human family and get our shit together before
Speaker 2: we can even think of having a relationship with non
Speaker 2: human intelligence in a meaningful way.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to be uh, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to make light of that. That of all
Speaker 1: the many great things you've said on multiple appearances on
Speaker 1: calling all beings, that is probably the most important thing,
Speaker 1: the most important thing you've ever said on calling all
Speaker 1: beings for people that are listening.
Speaker 2: I think that's what some people miss on this thing
Speaker 2: about disclosure, right, is that is the human component.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. I mean, like, look look at how
Speaker 1: at odds our country is and how people revel in
Speaker 1: that and think it's cool and they don't understand how
Speaker 1: stupid it is and how not productive it is, and
Speaker 1: how that is, you know, way more important than you know.
Speaker 1: If you can't get along with someone else who voted
Speaker 1: for a different person, then you have no chance of,
Speaker 1: you know, actually having a decent dialogue with some some
Speaker 1: other intelligence that's probably looking at you.
Speaker 2: And I mean, how can you have compassion for non
Speaker 2: human intelligence but not you know, your fellow humans.
Speaker 1: You fellow humans, right, and I think that.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not I can't say this to be
Speaker 2: one hundred percent true, but I mean I think that
Speaker 2: non human intelligence, at least some of them, would encourage
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. And even in working together in
Speaker 2: contact work and CE five groups, there's a component of
Speaker 2: the work that demonstrates to you that you have to
Speaker 2: communicate it amongst the group to get the deeper meaning
Speaker 2: and message of what is going on, and it's facilitated
Speaker 2: by non human intelligence to guide the group together in
Speaker 2: that cohesive way.
Speaker 1: It's even people will say that, oh, my dog doesn't
Speaker 1: like other dogs, It's like, well, your dog probably just
Speaker 1: hasn't met the right other dog yet that they fit with,
Speaker 1: or cat or whatever the other animal is.
Speaker 2: There's always I'm not saying it's not any as easy
Speaker 2: or it's like, I understand that it's a complicated dynamic,
Speaker 2: but interacting and having relationships with non human intelligence is
Speaker 2: even going to be is only going to be even
Speaker 2: more complex.
Speaker 1: Good point, man, pay the man debs.
Speaker 3: I keep thinking about, Like I was just thinking that
Speaker 3: it's sort of like the people in the Bickfoot community
Speaker 3: who couldn't get along, but they would go be best
Speaker 3: friends with Bigfoot, Like how's that going to work? Like,
Speaker 3: do you think Bigfoot wants to be your best friend?
Speaker 3: You know you need to be decent to people for sure,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. So, James, I don't have a quick question,
Speaker 3: but hopefully we can at least get to something with it.
Speaker 3: I would like to have talked more about NDEs with you,
Speaker 3: because I've been listening to ndie interviews kind of NonStop
Speaker 3: for some months now. So my question is just why
Speaker 3: do you think everyone has their own personal experience? There
Speaker 3: are broad patterns, but even like life reviews are very
Speaker 3: personalized and people go to different levels. There's actually considered
Speaker 3: levels of death basically when they have an NDE. And
Speaker 3: I know this is something that you have an interest
Speaker 3: in and personal interest in, So why do you think
Speaker 3: that is? Why do you think people have personalized endes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's gonna be a hard one to get
Speaker 2: too quick in in.
Speaker 1: Deb always does that at the end of the show.
Speaker 1: This is not new. If you've been watching you know, just.
Speaker 2: I mean, just to try to try to kind of
Speaker 2: summarize my idea and like a thought packet, I would
Speaker 2: just say, it's because we're we are different facets of
Speaker 2: the same kind of diamond as as Nathan was alluding to.
Speaker 2: So we're going to perceive things through our past experiences.
Speaker 2: Our sensory apparatus are you know, if you want to
Speaker 2: get into past lives and all that, if you want
Speaker 2: to get into you know, what we need to take
Speaker 2: away from the experience for it to be transformative. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it touches on all those factors.
Speaker 1: That's dope, man, he said, I just dropped my damn microphone.
Speaker 2: Because because I we are a limited time here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it. You know, it has to do with
Speaker 2: if you if you were to have an NDE at
Speaker 2: the age of ten, and even though you're the same person,
Speaker 2: if you had an nd E not at ten, but
Speaker 2: at eighteen, I think it's going to be a completely
Speaker 2: different experience and your sensibilities. It's based at where you're
Speaker 2: at at that time, and there's so many moving parts
Speaker 2: to that that again, it's even the same person I
Speaker 2: think would experience a different nd moment to moment.
Speaker 1: Danny Thomas, welcome to one of our CAB members. Just
Speaker 1: want to say hello.
Speaker 3: All. I just wanted to say for the record, I've
Speaker 3: decided that when I do pass, I will be a
Speaker 3: unicorn with wings.
Speaker 7: I haven't heard anything that contradicts my ability to do.
Speaker 1: That yet, Cord.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to bring up a controversial topic, but
Speaker 5: I think it could be instructive for people who are
Speaker 5: thinking this question because it's come up recently, and that
Speaker 5: being said that we want to be friends.
Speaker 6: And be compassionate towards all our color humans.
Speaker 5: I know you know this from the early Stargate research
Speaker 5: when they were starting to do remote viewing. They found
Speaker 5: out that a negative a negative impulse or a negative
Speaker 5: stimuli affected their remote viewer a little bit more or
Speaker 5: quicker than positive. So just kind of thinking about that
Speaker 5: as an umbrella, Let's just say that there are people
Speaker 5: that are out to do malice of forethought, right, or
Speaker 5: they are having tele pathic experiences and they want to
Speaker 5: try to connect with someone else. So I'm just going
Speaker 5: to say, in general, let's say there's a bad telepath. Okay,
Speaker 5: what practices have you learned? Because I know this question
Speaker 5: comes up all the time for various different things. But
Speaker 5: I'm bringing it into telepathy. What practices have you learned
Speaker 5: for protection? If someone is trying to connect with you
Speaker 5: telepathically and you feel you feel it, Let's say you're
Speaker 5: aware of it at a meta level, but you're not
Speaker 5: caring for their consciousness engaging with yours.
Speaker 6: What can you be there?
Speaker 5: There are any instructive things that you can share with
Speaker 5: other people in the audience that you've learned in terms
Speaker 5: of cleansing right your own or or your own subtle
Speaker 5: bodies and how to deal with that interference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean generally people like to hear that.
Speaker 2: You know, there's like exercise or meditation or prayer that
Speaker 2: you can do to kind of protect yourself from that.
Speaker 2: And I believe that all those things work. So you
Speaker 2: can do a I mean yeah, so this is another
Speaker 2: complex question. Uh, you could do a meditation where you
Speaker 2: visualize golden light around yourself and you ask the universe
Speaker 2: for protection, and you know that kind of thing. You
Speaker 2: can if you're more Western oriented, you can you can
Speaker 2: pray for protection from an angel, a guardian angel, god,
Speaker 2: or you know, whatever your religion is involved with. But
Speaker 2: the most sound proof psychic protection is going to be
Speaker 2: something that you're is. I mean, this is not going
Speaker 2: to be popular because it's not easy, right, but it's
Speaker 2: right there in like Buddhism and yoga and all these
Speaker 2: kind of things, even the Ten Commandments, And this is
Speaker 2: something that Darren Exo Academia academian calls spiritual hygiene, and
Speaker 2: I love that term. But if you have a clear
Speaker 2: conscience and you know, again right speech, right action, right mind,
Speaker 2: you take care of yourself physically mentally, you have compassion
Speaker 2: for others, just people on that level, they're not going
Speaker 2: to be able to mess with you. You know, if
Speaker 2: you are fortified in that kind of right way of
Speaker 2: being right, like if you're in touch or you're flowing
Speaker 2: with the dow, you're somebody with malicious intent using size
Speaker 2: is not going to be able to mess with you
Speaker 2: because you're whatever your aura or your subtle body is
Speaker 2: going to be too strong. You're gonna have protection from
Speaker 2: higher intelligences that you're constantly in communication with. You have
Speaker 2: a more direct connection with what people call guardian or thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Again, it's getting a little wu but things like that.
Speaker 2: People that are utilizing sigh are just not really going
Speaker 2: to be able to mess with you.
Speaker 6: I tend to believe that myself, and I totally agree
Speaker 6: with you.
Speaker 5: I just thought, since it comes up a lot these
Speaker 5: kind of concepts, it would be nice for people to
Speaker 5: in the audience hear your answer.
Speaker 6: So thanks for taking the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Courtney, Can I answer that one as well? Which
Speaker 1: one the one you asked him?
Speaker 6: Sure?
Speaker 1: So for me, it's a projection of if you feel
Speaker 1: that you're trying to enter, you project duty head, douty head,
Speaker 1: duty head, and they'll picture duty and they it has
Speaker 1: a tendency to make them not want to enter. So
Speaker 1: I would recommend douty head.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of like that well, I mean, but
Speaker 2: in general though, I do want to say, if you
Speaker 2: go to Paradise PIECEA and we're playing New York not kidding,
Speaker 2: uh no, but like being in a high vibrational state
Speaker 2: is kind of a protection in itself. A practice of
Speaker 2: like meta loving kindness or well wishing, meditation, you know, cleansing,
Speaker 2: cleansing your mind and your or field and all those
Speaker 2: kind of ideas are all things that are going to
Speaker 2: contribute to that.
Speaker 1: All right, So duty had maybe not the best technique, Nathan,
Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, could work? All right, Courtney,
Speaker 1: let's go with Cabby buys.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 5: I mean, if I'm leading off Cabby good byes, I'm
Speaker 5: just going to say thanks James for being on, you know,
Speaker 5: the cutting edge of everything and doing all you do
Speaker 5: and bringing all the great.
Speaker 6: People that you bring to your podcast. It's one of
Speaker 6: the best.
Speaker 2: And also.
Speaker 5: Just tonight, like being willing to be vulnerable and share
Speaker 5: experiences that people might not hurt about you and taking
Speaker 5: that risk. I know that can always be a little
Speaker 5: bit fopun So thanks for sharing that for people who
Speaker 5: are listening. And I just love your work, So keep
Speaker 5: doing all the good things that you do.
Speaker 1: Amen, Debs.
Speaker 3: Well, James, thank you for leading by example for how
Speaker 3: people should treat other people constantly by being generous and
Speaker 3: educational and informative and receptive to ideas.
Speaker 7: We appreciate everything that you do one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Always want you back.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Always.
Speaker 4: Yeah, James, I don't ever feel like this is a goodbye,
Speaker 4: because you're such a accessible and gracious person in our
Speaker 4: community and we're really grateful to have you on with
Speaker 4: us and to share the conversation. You've been knocking it
Speaker 4: out of the park lately. I just want to make
Speaker 4: sure we pump your show. For those of you haven't
Speaker 4: had a chance to make your way over to James's
Speaker 4: YouTube channel engaging the phenomena, you need to get over
Speaker 4: there asap because there's just gold. He's been just turning
Speaker 4: out gold lately, a lot of really good content. I
Speaker 4: don't know how you do it, honestly, you've just been
Speaker 4: cranking it out. I don't know if you've been keeping
Speaker 4: these in reserve and just like dumping them strategically. I
Speaker 4: don't know what you're doing, but it's amazing. So folks
Speaker 4: give him a watch and a like and subscribe. And
Speaker 4: he's a great follow too, so he's posting great content
Speaker 4: all the time on x Well worth your time to
Speaker 4: engage with James as you engage with the phenomenon. So again, James,
Speaker 4: thanks for being with us.
Speaker 1: I love James all right, all right, So.
Speaker 6: He's just dead pan.
Speaker 1: We got him with the intro, We got him in
Speaker 1: smile and laughed with the intro. But I ever forget
Speaker 1: the first time we had him on and he's like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here? But James is
Speaker 1: I know, It's like James is the goat. No I
Speaker 1: get to Gray. We're all good. I'll say here, it
Speaker 1: is so engaging the phenomenon. This is how some of
Speaker 1: us got into this. You know that, you know, I
Speaker 1: listen to James show, and I messaged him and I
Speaker 1: decided I wanted to talk about UFOs, and then I
Speaker 1: start doing the show. Then I met Nathan, and then
Speaker 1: that's how we came up with calling All Beings and
Speaker 1: and I told James that he was basically from, you know,
Speaker 1: a hometown homie. He was from, you know, very close
Speaker 1: to me, not knowing he actually moved into my hometown,
Speaker 1: but but went to high school I don't know, six
Speaker 1: seven miles away. James. Yeah, So all this stuff will
Speaker 1: be in the show notes, everything that's on his YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: engaging the phenomenon and this podcast and so forth, you
Speaker 1: will find that in the show to this episode. But
Speaker 1: you've inspired everybody here. It's like everybody, like everybody here
Speaker 1: just loves having you on because it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking to a friend, for one thing, but a
Speaker 1: friend who's really knowledgeable and is more well read than
Speaker 1: any of us on this topic. So it's always edifying
Speaker 1: for us. And then obviously you know a personal friendship
Speaker 1: that all of us have with you individually. So James,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for doing this. It's an honor
Speaker 1: that you would join us again, and we'll just be
Speaker 1: waiting till the next time.
Speaker 2: You know, I appreciate you guys having me on. You
Speaker 2: guys are all doing the same thing I'm doing, so
Speaker 2: it's always yes, Oh, of course you are. You're all
Speaker 2: engaging the phenomenon in different ways, right.
Speaker 1: I guess so yeah. I mean, I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: it is I'm doing, but if I'm engaging the phenomenon,
Speaker 1: that's awesome.
Speaker 3: I say phenomenon daily, but it does not often answer back.
Speaker 1: Debs man, you're the best, So thank you, James on
Speaker 1: behalf of James, I, Dolly, Nathan, Debs and Courtney. This
Speaker 1: is DJ saying peace out, one love, We'll see you
Speaker 1: down the road. And we're always wondering what's up around
Speaker 1: the Bend.