WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:08.320 Hey, I'm Auntie and I'm Brian and we'reh spirals. So 2 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:11.560 welcome to our first episode of twenty twenty five. 3 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:13.519 Hell yeah, I. 4 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:15.119 Know we made that piggy promise that we were going 5 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:17.960 to do an episode a month, but I mean you 6 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:19.760 pointed out that probably wasn't gonna happen. 7 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:21.800 Hey, it's early March. We're pretty damn close. 8 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:23.559 I know today is mark second. 9 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:25.120 As we're making it, as we're. 10 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:27.519 Recording, so but we do have news, and I think 11 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:31.199 that's what we were waiting for before we made this episode, 12 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:33.880 like solid news. 13 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:34.600 To do the thing and then make the. 14 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:38.399 We'll talk about it. Yeah, yeah, I think we might 15 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.719 have alluded to the thing on our last episode of 16 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.560 twenty twenty four. But anyways, the thing is, we have 17 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:50.320 a new single out on digital services. It's actually a 18 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:53.359 new version of a slightly older song. 19 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:56.359 Yeah. Twenty twenty two, I believe is when we Call 20 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.880 came out, and yeah, it was a song that was 21 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:04.079 I felt like we didn't hit the mark of what 22 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.599 I had in mind or we had in mind. It happens, yeah, 23 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.519 I mean, and since twenty twenty two have gotten better. Yeah, 24 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:14.120 even though we're older, still learning new things. And yeah, 25 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.480 I was able to finally finish the song correctly and 26 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.159 give it. There's just a lot of dumb little problems 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.040 that we've just been naggedy all these years. So we've 28 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.640 addressed the problems and made the song even better. 29 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.840 I know, at a certain point in the process, I'm like, 30 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:31.040 why are we doing this? Is anyone even gonna notice 31 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:33.879 or care? But the thing is we notice, yeah, and 32 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:36.560 we care. So then we were like stuck with what 33 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:39.560 do we call this new version of the call? Yeah, yeah, 34 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:41.920 so we're first I was just calling it like twenty 35 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:44.959 twenty five mix or whatever, but that seems kind of weak. Yeah, 36 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:49.959 so I came upon this. I came upon this term 37 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:55.640 VIP mix, which means variance in production, and it's generally 38 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:59.519 used by producers that make a different mix of their 39 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.239 own song a lot of times as part of like 40 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:03.239 their DJ career. 41 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.040 Drum and bass or type guys. 42 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:08.599 You know, even though this isn't a drum and bassed song, 43 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:09.759 I think we. 44 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.000 Can use the kind of mindset but very even though 45 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.439 our music doesn't sound very idiom, but you use a 46 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.439 lot of electronic music production techniques. 47 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:19.000 And are oh yeah, I think people would be surprised 48 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.360 by some of the techniques that were used to to 49 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:24.719 change some of the things about this song. But yeah, 50 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.199 what do you think is the major difference in the 51 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.319 VIP mix of the call? 52 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.199 Well, first of all, even without knowing the technical things, 53 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:32.960 I think it's just a better mix. It's a better 54 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.319 listening experience, Like guitars are produced better, the vocals sitting 55 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.639 in the mix, right, it just yeah, just mixes are 56 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:41.840 all better. But the old mix is really sloppy too. 57 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:44.599 There's lots of like timing errors with the bass guitar 58 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:48.280 and a few other things like that that are completely 59 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:49.000 fixed now. 60 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.840 Yeah, I think when you listen to them back to back, 61 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.039 it's just like the twenty twenty five mix. To me, 62 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:59.560 it's more lush, yeah, more immersive, Like the guitars are 63 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:03.240 like and bolder, and the vocals are like way more 64 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:07.680 like ah, you know that I had. I You know, 65 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.240 sometimes when I'm laying down my tracks, I end up 66 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:14.400 with so many layers that we just go we just 67 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.599 strip it back, let's just stick with like this main 68 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.120 vocal and like a little bit of something. Yeah, but 69 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.680 this time I went in, I went crazy. I'm like, 70 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.360 let's get all those vocals I recorded in twenty twenty 71 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:27.080 two and just go to town, like let's figure out the 72 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.479 place for all of them. So yeah, it was kind 73 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:33.479 of like it's just like a redo for me. 74 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:36.360 A song I was kind of about now something I'm 75 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:38.400 really proud of, you know. And that's how you should 76 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:40.000 be about all your songs. You should be really proud 77 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.039 of them, not have like regrets and stuff like that. 78 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.560 I know I have so many when I look back 79 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.919 over our twenty year history has so many hearts. Yeah, 80 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:50.039 if I could go back and remix every single album, 81 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.319 my freaking woye. That's the curs getting better, I guess 82 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:56.680 I know, because I mean obviously part of what's going 83 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.439 on with this new mixes, new equipment. Yeah, like you know, 84 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.280 the kinds of stuff that you did with your guitar, 85 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:03.680 like maybe you don't have those effects back then, and. 86 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:05.120 Stuff we did with your vocals too. 87 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:07.879 Yeah yeah, absolutely, Yeah, we've got cooler stuff now. 88 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.000 Yeah, so we're able to like hit the intention we had. 89 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.719 We just didn't have the gear and the skills yet, 90 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.040 even at our with all our experience to be able 91 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:17.639 to give what we had in mind. I didn't realize 92 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:22.000 what a complicated just project. This song was. Yeah, it's cool. 93 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:23.839 I'm glad I love it now because it's like cool 94 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.079 when I listened to it's like it really it's so nineties. 95 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.160 It's like a lot of the stuff I was into 96 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:33.519 back when, like low Spirals downwards begad. They like the 97 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.279 one guitar panned on the riots, I'm just ding. It 98 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.399 sounds like like it crossed between like something like Robert 99 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.360 Smith or the Cure we do with something like that's 100 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:43.879 more like a shoegazer kind of thing, and then another 101 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:47.279 guitar pan left is like this overdriven just walls with 102 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:50.800 a lot of load of modulation or little Shoegazer. 103 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.480 It sounds you've ever gotten to be honest. Yeah, Yeah, 104 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:57.399 I love the way it starts now too, has interesting. 105 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.360 Too yeah, and has a new the more ending even 106 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:02.639 like even more refined now to like how the endian 107 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.040 always kind of switches back to like maybe like the 108 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.879 first Fleetwood Mac album with Lindsay and Stevie. So it 109 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:13.079 just kind of cuts a lot of stuff Shoegazer, Fleetwood Mac, 110 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.160 and it's just it's just us. It's just it's just 111 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:17.439 all those things that we love. 112 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:20.480 Yeah, I have no idea what anyone would quantify my 113 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.399 vocal genre as. But it's definitely a combination of like 114 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:28.480 every genre that I've existed in over these all these 115 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:34.240 years that we're making music. Yeah, So I was last night, 116 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:36.279 we were talking about this song, and I was like, 117 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:40.560 how did we get started on this new remix project? 118 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.839 Actually, because I have another remix or two that I've 119 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.439 been working on I started before this one. 120 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.399 And then you did mention the last podcast I checked. 121 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.759 I check, I'm not gonna mentioned any songs yet. But 122 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:54.920 then you're the one that threw idea at me about 123 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:56.759 the call and right you said that. I pondered it 124 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:00.079 and like, yeah, that one really I think now we 125 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.519 could really, like I said, do it justice. Yeah, And 126 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:04.839 I was up for the challenge too, see if I 127 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:05.240 was right. 128 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:07.639 Now, are we gonna put on another album? Has been 129 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.959 this looming question, like, well we make a longer form 130 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:14.680 collection of songs. And so I was sitting there listening 131 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.600 to our last singles and like, you know, we've been 132 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.959 really kind of conscious of having the last three songs. 133 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:23.800 You know, they sound good together. 134 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:28.040 Yeah, and Newman on not Myself and used. 135 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.879 To be Yeah, even though they're all kind of different genres, 136 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.279 but there's something about the production and everything were all together. 137 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:37.800 Same with the Call now now, but. 138 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:39.720 Before I was like, I was like, well, obviously I 139 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:41.160 want to put the Call on album, and then you 140 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.480 listen to it, I was like, it's kind of doesn't 141 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:44.759 sound drags them down. 142 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:47.160 But now, even though it's a different genre, like the 143 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.639 other three songs are sonically somehow kind of all fits together. 144 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.360 Yeah, and actually talking about those, you know, the last 145 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:56.240 three songs, even when you go back to like our 146 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:02.600 cover Misunderstood looks if if it is, as does the 147 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.519 remix we did of it ain't Love. 148 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.439 The Saint love Electronica. I just wondered I should ask 149 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:12.480 him if I could do a VIP remix for us. 150 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:15.480 I think that would be No Times past. He might 151 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.439 be cool with that because that would fit in because 152 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:19.920 I've said it before, maybe on this podcast. I know 153 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.240 I've told Angree, I feel like that remix we did 154 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:26.079 for Allen Electronico for Project Records. He did a he 155 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:29.680 had an album and then he'd had other artists coming 156 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.120 remix songs from the album, and I feel like that 157 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:36.360 that remix somehow, I've been on this role ever since. 158 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:37.839 I kind of like a lot of things that's kind 159 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:41.079 of clicked and yeah, so I actually I think it'd 160 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.560 probably make that remix even better now too, I know who. 161 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.279 I was super proud of it then I still am. 162 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.439 But yeah, yeah, what was that like twenty three? 163 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.319 It was around twenty two too. We'll check it out. 164 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.399 But I think back to the original point is yes, 165 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.319 are we going to make an album? Yes? And no no, 166 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:00.839 and like yeah, not like were you wait like three 167 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:02.959 to five years and all of a sudden, nine or 168 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:04.920 ten songs come out of the blue and like whoa 169 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:05.480 new song? 170 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:05.759 No? 171 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.879 But yeah, yes in the sense, yeah, we're compiling enough 172 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:11.439 songs together to put out either a long EP or 173 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.439 an album, because I think that's a whole go instead 174 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:15.959 of letting all these songs exist solely as singles on 175 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:18.319 the streaming music services. At some point you said a 176 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.000 lot of artists do this. I didn't invent anything. They'll 177 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.000 put out, Oh, here's an album right now or an 178 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.199 EP of all the songs that you've been listening to 179 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:26.079 for the best. 180 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:27.920 Bit, I'm abe it'll be like one or two that 181 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:29.120 they hadn't heard yet. 182 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.279 Yeah, exactly to make it, yeah, and make it cool 183 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:31.560 for them. 184 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.960 Yeah, yeah, will we print it to CDs? 185 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.120 Probably not, but lest you guys really want it, let 186 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:39.279 us know in the comments. 187 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.000 I know, I really we've never the only time I've 188 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.759 ever done like a fundraiser thing was when I was 189 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.240 when I did the Love Me, Leave Me album under 190 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:51.360 the Anti BM. Yeah, I was back when I had 191 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.639 like a super dedicated music podcast and I was like 192 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:59.200 talking to people. Yeah. Time. I just we've really not 193 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.159 wanted to do a fundraising thing for any Yeah. 194 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:05.000 This weird for us. I guess I just need to 195 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:05.399 get over it. 196 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.919 But anyway, I don't know, you're not good asking for money. 197 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.279 I think the bigger issue is, like right now, in 198 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:16.399 twenty twenty five, you know, CDs aren't really that important. 199 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:21.039 You know, we talked about this last last episode. I said, 200 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:23.240 I think like CDs are dead, and you're like, actually, 201 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.840 I heard CDs are having research having resurgeons compared to 202 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.000 where they were five years ago, which ain't saying much. 203 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:31.080 I mean, everything's just you know, so so much on 204 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:34.440 digital streaming or downloaded off our band camp if you 205 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.080 want to own it and put on your iPod or 206 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:36.519 something like that. 207 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.399 Okay, So the new song, as you know, it's out. 208 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.279 It came out Friday, the twenty. 209 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:43.120 Eighth of yards. 210 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.720 Yeah, so we put it up on band Camp on 211 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:49.919 both Love Sparals and Love Sparls Downwards, but then on 212 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.200 Spotify and all that stuff. When we told you about 213 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.320 how our distributor has been, so on all of those services, 214 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:57.879 it's under Love Sparles Downwards. 215 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:00.600 Yeah, it's too hard to have it on two fees, 216 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:01.360 I know. Yeah. 217 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.919 So I was looking at Spotify obviously before the show, Yeah, 218 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:06.399 before I sat down. I want to see how it 219 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:08.679 was doing, you know, it just it's only been the 220 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.240 weekend that it's been. Yeah, so you know it's had 221 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:12.759 like I don't know, three thousand. 222 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.679 Streams we're get paid because Spotify and changed the rules 223 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.080 last to screw smaller artists, Like you. 224 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:20.039 Don't get thousands streams, you don't get Jack. 225 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.360 Does that suck? Like you can keep making music all year, 226 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:25.720 like a song every month and they've hit nine hundred nights, 227 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.159 go over a thousand, you get zero of Spotify, not pay. 228 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:32.720 So we're definitely gonna get our little pennies for our streams. 229 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.879 So you know, shoo, that's really But then I. 230 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.200 Was I found myself looking at like demographics and stuff. 231 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.159 It's so weird because you know, your whole life, you 232 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.879 didn't really know who the heck was listening music or 233 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:45.039 you know that's going on. 234 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:47.639 Back in the Project days, I knew was Project fans 235 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:49.720 because I talked to them and met them and they 236 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:51.240 wrote us letters. 237 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:53.840 Speak of the Devil. So now I can look at 238 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:57.360 like the demographics of the listeners. Yeah, and it turns 239 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.919 out that only six percent of the listeners of all 240 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.919 the Love Sparls Downwards material, not just this time. Yeah, 241 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.080 only six percent of them. We're in your age range. 242 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:06.320 Age range meaning. 243 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.679 Fifty five to sixty four. Uh huh, which those are 244 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.000 the Project Yeah, yeah, listeners. 245 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:14.759 It's on spot go a little bit lower than that. 246 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:18.080 I would say all gen X, you know basically, Yeah, 247 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:21.200 gen X goes I think starts around maybe people around 248 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:22.159 maybe forty nine. 249 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.200 Or fifty right now, So let me see what So 250 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:29.000 the Spotify demographics for the Love Sparls dowards account. Yeah, 251 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.159 five percent of listeners are fifty five to sixty four, 252 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.799 compared to thirty nine percent are in the eighteen to 253 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:38.519 twenty four range and thirty eight percent in the twenty 254 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:40.799 five to thirty four year old range. So these are 255 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.200 people that are well outside of your yeah, original Project 256 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:44.799 Records listening. 257 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.080 Did we mention this last time? Basically is our music's 258 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.639 finding a whole new generation. You hear about that. I 259 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:52.879 watch like you watch like v H one. Behind the music, 260 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:54.600 they'll talk to like the Beach Boys or something like, 261 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:56.399 we have a whole new generation listen to us. You know, 262 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.799 it's not just people from the sixties and stuff. And 263 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:00.799 that's we're old enough now to be able to say 264 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.360 that we have people who weren't even born yet. You know, 265 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.919 when I put out all those nineties albums on Project Records, 266 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:09.840 that's cool to have people that don't have those preconceived 267 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:12.240 notions of what was going on back then. They're just 268 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.639 hearing it anew you know, just that's totally cool. 269 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:17.639 I actually, yeah, I actually saw Sam, the owner of 270 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:20.679 Project Records, say the same thing that, yeah, it's all 271 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:24.200 these new kids are discovering Project and they they were 272 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.320 not around the Project fest. 273 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:27.679 Yeah squat. 274 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.360 So I found that kind of interesting. So that that 275 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.000 makes me worry less about the like band name, because 276 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:35.960 I don't think the band name means anything to the 277 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.679 people on Spotify except for the six percent. 278 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:41.679 Yeah, but I mean, yeah, we can talk good. I'll 279 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.679 feel softful about that, but yeah, it's still me doing 280 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:45.159 my thing. 281 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.960 Well, yeah, I know you doing your music continually since 282 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:49.559 the late eighties. 283 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:54.519 I always been the songwriter, the producer, I know, the musician. 284 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.039 I know. I was like, oh, at the end of 285 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:59.000 the day, isn't Ryan Love sprouls downwards? 286 00:12:59.080 --> 00:12:59.559 Yeah we can. 287 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:01.519 Yeah, how Sam is. 288 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:06.639 Different singers, way more singers, singers, and. 289 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:10.960 So many musicians, and yet he always remains yeah or 290 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:14.799 black tape, like you always ran downwards or loves Yeah. 291 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:16.559 It's the same kind of thing you guys with your 292 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:18.000 lying ass project name. 293 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.480 We're the same thing in that regard. 294 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:25.080 To speaking of old project artists. Soul Rolling Somewhere, I still. 295 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:25.600 Need to listen to that. 296 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.240 I haven't listened to it either, But so, soul Rolling 297 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:33.720 Somewhere is a guy named Michael Plaster. Yeah, I've even 298 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:35.399 gotten to meet him and play with him when he 299 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.600 was working in a band called Mister Mabel. But so 300 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:40.080 he just released a brand new thing and he's not 301 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.799 using the Soul Rolling Somewhere name or using Michael Plaster. 302 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:46.720 Yeah, I wonder why. I'm Yeah, I mean, there's some 303 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.840 brand awareness there. But then, like we said, everyone's new 304 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:54.559 now listening to the music. But artistic decisions are artistic decisions. 305 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.840 I thought it was a legal one. No, I doubt 306 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:57.320 it was. 307 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:03.600 He was Also, they literally just released the Soul Rolling 308 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.000 Somewhere live set from Project Fast nineteen ninety six. Okay, 309 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.039 cant Yeah, So we. 310 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.879 Want to chat Michael around contact. 311 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:15.720 Oh I know, I still love his remixes that he 312 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:16.919 did for us back in the day. 313 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:19.039 Oh ye, Actually, might hear a remix he did of 314 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:22.519 one of our songs because I've been it's on the 315 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.120 back burner but remastering long way from Home and he 316 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.399 did this truth remix. It's really cool, kind of orchestral 317 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:32.120 and dream poppy. So anyway, yeah, I asked him. I 318 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:34.039 wrote him last year when I asked him if it 319 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:35.399 was cool if I use it. He was totally cool 320 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.440 with it. It was just a quick little conversation. We didn't 321 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:39.480 really get to catch up or anything. 322 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:42.519 He did too remixes for us. I'm trying to remember 323 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:44.879 what the other one is. Was it Motherless Child? 324 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:47.559 It'll come to us walk Away, It'll come to us 325 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.879 when we spit stop on the recording. The I know, 326 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:52.879 I know I could look, you can insert it right now, 327 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.840 and so. 328 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.919 Yeah, it's kind of funny you mentioned artistic decisions. I 329 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.480 actually have a reader email. 330 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:03.240 All right, cool, it's. 331 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.399 A reader comment. I think last last episode we were 332 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.080 saying like, oh, I remember the olden days when we 333 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:10.000 used to get like comments on our website and. 334 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:15.679 Like, yeah, yeah, I can't believe we see it and 335 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:16.360 we're stoked. 336 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:18.879 I was like, oh, wow, this must be the first 337 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:19.840 comment on. 338 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.480 Our website, spirals dot com. 339 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:24.440 Yeah, so I'll read it. 340 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.559 All right, please do let's see. 341 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:33.159 So this is from Miguel dear friends. One question, why 342 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.279 does the song Newmanon just end suddenly as if it 343 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.080 had been cut? I thought the song was fantastic, but 344 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.320 I think it deserves a. 345 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:48.399 Soft ending artistic decision. Yeah, I mean typically, yeah, when 346 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.000 one of our songs, or when one of my productions ends, 347 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.799 two ways to end, you once in a while, do 348 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.480 a fade out, you know. The most common way is 349 00:15:57.639 --> 00:15:59.320 it'll just kind of stop on a beat and you'll 350 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:03.000 hear the instruments and voice kind of decay and echo. Yes, 351 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.639 it's a really trademark thing. Cows do that all the time. However, 352 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.799 for Newmanon, one thing I've been doing lately in my 353 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.159 mix is I have all the basically the instrumental fuel 354 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.960 everything but the vocals on a separate mixed bus that 355 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.759 I can control independently from the vocals. And for that song, 356 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.159 it just was cool just to slam the bus straight 357 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.919 off and it just for some reason, you and I 358 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:29.360 were both like, wow, that really hits. Yeah it does. 359 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.519 Yeah, I think it's kind of like for me, it's 360 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.759 kind of like you've got all yours fully immersed right, 361 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:40.960 the songs going, there's all this like emotive mood swirling 362 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.159 around you, and then we just pulled the rug out 363 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.320 from under you. Yeah, right, he felt that. Yeah, it 364 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:51.919 created a visceral response to where he got up, went 365 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.080 to his computer and looked for our website and left 366 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:56.519 that card. 367 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:58.559 Yes, and thanks for leaving that because it shows it 368 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:01.000 had an effect. Because that definitely had an effect on us, 369 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:03.240 and if it had a similar kind of thing for you, Yeah, 370 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.440 it was. That was kind of the intent. That the intent. 371 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:08.079 Yeah, I don't love it too, because it's just like 372 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.519 it's so there's something so devastating about the way that 373 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:11.119 song ends. 374 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:12.720 Yeah, but right before the. 375 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:16.359 Show, I double checked maybe some of you don't know. 376 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.200 But there's a drum and bass remix of Neumanon as well, 377 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:21.160 and I checked the ending of that one. 378 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:21.920 It doesn't do that. 379 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.640 Yeah, it's like a softy cake like Miguel would probably prefer. 380 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:28.440 Yeah, so you got both choices there, Miguel and everyone 381 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.720 to listen to. But yeah, the main mix of Neumanon, 382 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.440 we would that's just like one of our just most 383 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:35.920 moody ass. I mean, we make moody music. I've always 384 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:38.240 made moody music. That one is just so friggin moody 385 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:42.400 and and just chugging with all sorts of emotions. And yeah, 386 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:45.240 someone something about the inning just seemed like the perfect 387 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:45.920 way to end. 388 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:49.079 That song, because I don't think you've ever ended a song. Yeah, 389 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:49.799 quite like that. 390 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:50.440 That's a surprise. 391 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:53.160 Really made an impression on me. And yeah, I wouldn't 392 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:55.839 I personally wouldn't have it any other way. It's possible 393 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.240 on the instrumental Guitar Focus mix that's right now was 394 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:01.200 only on band Care. 395 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:02.799 Yeah, I don't think I did that there either. 396 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:05.000 Yeah, I think that also got the soft ND. 397 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.799 I'm pretty sure. Yeah, just part of the like some 398 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:10.480 of the you know, I told we've learned a lot 399 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:13.200 over the past, like just even a couple years, you know, 400 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.319 strangely that this could be a whole other episode just 401 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:18.839