WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:06.839 Hey, this is Ben Bert from Exeter, New Hampshire, and 2 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:09.000 I play at Apple Hill golf Course. 3 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:13.119 This is Golf Smarter, episode nine hundred and fifty eight. 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:16.359 Everything's conceptualized and then this machine poops it out and 5 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:18.160 we turned it into a putter. That's pretty sweet. The 6 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:21.399 rest of this stuff is all actual production manufacturing. These 7 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.559 machines right here are like eighty bitty tiny little versions 8 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:26.920 of that. This is actually a five actiacy. And see, 9 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:30.039 these little guys enabled us to go from when you 10 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.200 first met Bill to actually being able to produce these 11 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:35.719 somewhat consistently. So I mean, you remember you were there 12 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:37.439 in the early days, right when you get putters, and 13 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:39.359 now they all kind of felt a little different, you know, 14 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:41.240 even though they were supposed to basically be the same. 15 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:43.759 And this one's heavy and this one's light whatever. Because 16 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.479 where we located a hole, if you miss it by 17 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:49.799 ten thousands of an inch, the putter's going to be 18 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:52.719 twenty or thirty grams later or heavier, depending upon what 19 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:54.600 we need in order to get a balance. And we 20 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.000 found these things and enabled us to drill holes precise 21 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:59.679 enough to actually start making them consistently and fast. So 22 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.520 that was a very very big deal for us. 23 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:11.480 Lab Golf DF three broomstick putter tutorial and factory tour 24 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:13.319 with CEO Samhn. 25 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:18.640 This is golf Smarter sharing stories, tips and insights from 26 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:21.680 great golf minds to help you lower your score and 27 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:23.200 raise your golf IQ. 28 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:25.799 Here's your host, Fred Green. 29 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:28.719 Well, let me make a quick setup for today's episode. 30 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:31.439 What you're about to hear is the audio from two 31 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:35.079 new videos that also live on our YouTube channel at 32 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:38.319 golf Smarter. The first part of the episode, which is 33 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.799 a standalone video, is Samhan, CEO of Lab Golf, the 34 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:46.640 hottest putter company on the planet, giving me a tutorial 35 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.799 on how to take full advantage of my new Lab 36 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.920 Golf DF three broomstick putter. Then we'll get into our 37 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.400 second video, which is Sam giving us the full tour 38 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:01.120 of the Lab Golf factory, which is in Creswell, Oregon, 39 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:04.400 just south of Eugene. Joining us on the tour and 40 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.400 on microphone is a fourteen year old competitive junior golfer 41 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.400 who's been using a Lab putter for years, named zeb Perez. 42 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:15.479 You'll learn a lot in this show, but what blew 43 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.039 me away is when we first met Sam back in 44 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:22.080 twenty twenty, he had about eighteen employees. 45 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:27.639 And now one hundred and fifty. Company is hot again. 46 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.639 There are now two videos on YouTube that show you 47 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:35.039 this entire episode. So let's get started with Sam teaching 48 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:36.840 me how to use my new putter. 49 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:41.680 I'm here with Sam Han, CEO of Lab Golf, and 50 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:44.199 we are on the practice putting green today because I 51 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:48.439 am now starting to use a DF three broomstick putter 52 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:50.919 and I have no idea how to do it. Although 53 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:53.800 it's a good idea for me to do this because 54 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.919 one thing I have noticed in my putting, and it's 55 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:00.479 improved vastly since I use the Lab Golf putter. My 56 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.280 left hand gets in the way. If I'm pulling, i'm pushing, 57 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.680 it's always my left hand. 58 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:06.560 Oh interesting, does the bad work? 59 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:08.960 So I thought, okay, if I can just eliminate my 60 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:12.520 left hand and the broomstick would help that. 61 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:16.879 And so you're absolutely spot on and an apropos of that. 62 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.360 I mean, I tell people my favorite thing about brooms 63 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:25.319 is that it is it is a closer relationship to 64 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.280 virtually every other kind of precise action that we do. 65 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:31.800 You would never use your left hand to write if 66 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.639 you're if you're right handed. You know, you're never going 67 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:36.280 to throw a dart with two hands, and a lot 68 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.719 of these actions that we try, particularly in golf, where 69 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:41.240 you do need to you know, both hands to you know, 70 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:43.400 we have this illusion of needing both hands to steady 71 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:47.400 the instrument. They're in conflict a lot of times. They 72 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.319 think they work differently, they think differently. So broomsticking is 73 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.280 beautiful because yes, your left hand is there to support, 74 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.639 you know, the top of the club. But other than that, 75 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.159 this is this is ball rolling, right, you know, this 76 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.719 is just rolling hand. Well, you can you can sign 77 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:07.199 tattle this way, right, but you can't do it this way. Okay, 78 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:11.159 you can't do it correct. Croquet, they were a little 79 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.479 worried about Sam Sneed winning a couple couple of masters 80 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:14.919 is into his fifty, so they outlawed that. 81 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:16.759 So let me ask you this, does it make you 82 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.439 nervous at all that they're going to start winning on 83 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:23.279 the professional tours and they're gonna go, yeah, you know what. 84 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:24.279 We can't do that. 85 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.560 I mean, it doesn't make me nervous. I mean, broomstick, 86 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.959 we we probably sell more broomsticks than just about anybody else, 87 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.040 but it's still not like this enormous. 88 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:34.920 Part of our your science behind it. 89 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.160 I wouldn't know how they I don't know what rule 90 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:40.319 they could write. I mean, and we thought about it, 91 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.959 you know, I mean like it would just be, yeah, 92 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.439 it would be it would be an interesting rule. So no, 93 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.839 I don't I don't have any concern about that because 94 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:50.360 it's still putting, man. I mean, you still got to 95 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:52.279 read the putt, you still got to pick a line, 96 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:53.360 you still got to do all the stuff. 97 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:55.399 So we have a tea time coming up, so let's 98 00:04:55.439 --> 00:05:00.439 get a tutorial here. So as soon as I got this, 99 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:01.240 I went out. 100 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:02.360 I have a practice putting green. 101 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:04.319 But I went to the local course and I went 102 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:08.600 on the practice putting green there, trying different things, recognizing 103 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:11.639 different things about my stroke, where my hands go, lef 104 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:12.399 my hands go. 105 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:13.399 I don't know. 106 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.480 So I was just hoping, yeah, should absolutely So. 107 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:20.720 The kind of the good starting place, in my opinion, 108 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.360 is kind of seeing the spectrum between what I what 109 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:25.800 I consider to be the two you know, kind of 110 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.920 opposite ends of it. Bernhard Langer one end, Adam Scott 111 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.399 at the other. So these guys are both prolific, you 112 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:36.199 know putters with their broomstick putters. Bernhard is about five 113 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:40.360 foot eight uses a forty seven inch putter sometimes forty 114 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:45.439 eight inch putter. Stands virtually straight up. This arm is 115 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:47.839 pretty close to his body. The forearm can't touch the 116 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.399 ribs right, that's part of the anchoring. So he's close, 117 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:53.439 but not that close. And then his whole stroke is 118 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.000 driven just by the right arm. And yeah, his shoulders 119 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.759 will move, but he's not moving them, if that makes sense. 120 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:00.759 They're along for the ride. On the other side of 121 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.680 the spectrum, you've got Adam who's you know, bent over 122 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.399 quite a bit, really framed up, elbow out to the target, 123 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:09.079 and he's using his back and his core to move 124 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.759 the putter and so and then you know, I'm kind 125 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.959 of somewhere right in between personally, and so messing around 126 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.439 with both sides of that equation is important. Given what 127 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.360 you said about your left hand kind of causing you 128 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.839 some problems, I kind of like the idea of going 129 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.319 a little bit more sort of the Burnhard Langer, and 130 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:29.120 so what we're gonna want to do. First thing with 131 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:32.439 the left hand. You can put your thumb on top. 132 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:34.600 Most people do. Some people do it like this one 133 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.920 of our cgo Ryan, who you met, you know, he 134 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.879 does it like this. However, what's really important is that 135 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.560 these three fingers stay pretty relaxed, the bottom ones, so 136 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:49.120 we really it's like this, okay, because we don't want 137 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:51.839 to have to move. We don't want the wrist and 138 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:53.439 forum and all that to have to move with it. 139 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:55.399 We want kind of just a single access point here. 140 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.279 So it's nice and light with nice and light with 141 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:03.120 the three fingers exactly exactly. And then generally the top 142 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:04.879 of the grip should be at the sternum or slightly 143 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:08.079 towards the target if anything. Okay, yep, ball position is 144 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:09.879 going to be forward because of the onset head there. 145 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.560 And I'm used to the forward press since I've been 146 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:17.720 using your putters for four sures now, but this isn't relevant, yeah. 147 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:20.959 Correct, okay. And and then the next thing you got 148 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:22.519 to figure out is that is that left hand. Let's 149 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.000 make sure, Yeah, like I said, let's make sure we 150 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.680 get this hand either on that plaque or this side 151 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.560 of it. We don't want it back okay here, yeah, exactly. 152 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:33.360 So you can screwt your ball forward too, will probably 153 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:34.399 help you get there, okay. 154 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.240 And I was finding them when I was practicing that 155 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.680 they unlike what I was doing with my regular sized 156 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.360 DF three that the ball was just inside my foot. 157 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:44.959 Yeah you get I mean as far forward as your 158 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.000 company Okay, yep, yeah, that looks pretty good there. Let's 159 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.480 get that. Yep, there you go, get that uh hand 160 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:52.120 forward as if your MIC's in the way, we should 161 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.959 probably move it so you can put properly here for you, 162 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:57.040 probably because it looks like you have some tendency to 163 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.480 get it too far back. So yeah, let's feel like 164 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.240 it's on the low. Go your shirt almost, okay, and 165 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.120 then and then the next piece is the right hand, 166 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:06.680 and it's and it's there's there's no rules here, there's 167 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:08.279 no curriculum around any of this stuff. 168 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:10.279 And so I found if I just let it hang 169 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.800 and just kind of hold it from there, yep. And 170 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.480 then of course, don't sold the putter, just have it 171 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:19.480 off the ground a quarter inch, because when I sold it, 172 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.560 I felt a drag and then it turns. 173 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.319 So the reason that was happening is because of that 174 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.360 top hand, which again is creeping all the way back 175 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:29.079 behind the other side. So because if you think about it, 176 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:31.600 you're leading the shaft back. The putter wants to go 177 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.919 down into the ground. The putter's forward, it's going to 178 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:36.960 come off the ground. So yeah, that's that's going to 179 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:38.720 be key for you. And we might want to get 180 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:41.399 you a little shorter one. I think that's going to 181 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.320 make it easier. So this one's a little shorter, we 182 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:45.120 can figure that out. 183 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.360 Yeah, Well, interesting is you get that? 184 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:53.200 When I look the video online about about fitting for 185 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:55.600 the broomstick, you were like, it's not a who lot. 186 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:56.720 You don't send us a video. 187 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.720 No, you're just trying to pick a comfortable length. So 188 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:02.639 then so if you're if if your hand is hanging, 189 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:04.240 you know, kind of how you're saying, and then you 190 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:08.080 just put it on, I might encourage you to try this, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 191 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:10.440 And that way the palm is kind of in line 192 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.360 with the face there, and now all you're gonna do 193 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:17.759 is just gonna push your palm at the hole. How 194 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:19.360 there you go? 195 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.480 Yeah, And the first thing I noticed is the weight difference. 196 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:29.480 Yeah, they're significantly heavier and so significantly Yeah, so at 197 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:31.840 first people tend to sort of because of the weight, 198 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.399 they end up kind of falling inside, you know, the 199 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.480 weight of it just falls this way. So at first 200 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:39.000 I tell people to kind of almost feel like the 201 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:42.559 putter moves outside and shut like, you know, feel like 202 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:44.720 you're kind of doing that at first, and you won't be, 203 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.919 but that's kind of the that's kind of the early feel. 204 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.559 I need to do is get my left hand a 205 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:51.519 little farther. 206 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:55.279 Forward, Yes, much further forward, much further forward. Yep, yeah 207 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:56.720 for you. I mean I see, because I could have 208 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.960 just been seeing New Year all the way over here. 209 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:00.639 I think that that was a product this putter just 210 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:02.519 being a little long for you. There you go, that's 211 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:06.799 much better good. 212 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.519 Bought uh Mes one for a friend for his birthday 213 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.600 a couple of years ago. He absolutely loves it and 214 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:20.360 changed his game dramatically. But I'm really partial to the 215 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:20.919 DF three. 216 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:21.919 Oh it's a great putter. 217 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.440 It's a great It feels so much different than the 218 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:25.159 two point one. 219 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:26.519 Oh yeah. 220 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:29.279 So it was immediate and I know how you feel. 221 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.639 But as one guy on YouTube, an Englishman, I need 222 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:33.080 to call it. 223 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.159 A gimme grabber. Yeah, it's like I'm. 224 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.159 In this is it's pretty nice. 225 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.399 Cool, it's so cool all right up left here and 226 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:44.639 so this is a little. 227 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:51.799 Shorter, really good, and so you know, and I would 228 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.279 experiment more with the right hand. I'd also experiment with 229 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:57.080 how far down here you know you're putting it. Some 230 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.440 people want to really stretched out, some people like a 231 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.000 little bit more leverage in there. And then also kind 232 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:03.799 of where the hand goes so the you know, again 233 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:05.679 just going to the way that you know, I've seen 234 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.000 other people do it really get stroke there. It's just 235 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.879 dart and right right at the bottom there, So I like, 236 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:16.159 I don't take it personally. I mean, they're starting with 237 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:17.879 your point and that's the only that's the only thing 238 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:19.919 we're in charge of, right And. 239 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.279 That's the greatest thing about the lab golf putters is 240 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:25.159 all you need to do is focus on your distance 241 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:26.879 once you get your line set up exactly. 242 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.080 So I do it like this, so I'm kind of 243 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.519 pinching underneath. This is how Adam does it as well. 244 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.480 And then there's some guys who will kind of go 245 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:39.559 straight on this way, so their hands kind of almost 246 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:41.840 at about a forty five degree angle, and then some 247 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.799 guys are straight on top this way. Ultimately, all we're 248 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.399 trying to do is figure out whatever is the most 249 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:50.120 natural way for you to keep the putter on plane, Okay, 250 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:52.720 And for me, I know that if I start doing 251 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.120 this number putter starts going that. 252 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.080 Way, I've noticed, and then even pushing out when I. 253 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.840 Make contact correct, and so a lot of that, you know, 254 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.840 elbow position and shoulders, arms, and you just have to 255 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:06.600 experiment to figure out what's best for you. Ultimately, even 256 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.039 though this is almost like a little uncomfortable for me, 257 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:10.639 I have to fight to kind of keep that elbow 258 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:12.600 in there and do it that way. That's the way 259 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:14.799 that for me, I'm able to take the putter straight 260 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.080 back and pull it off to the left just like 261 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:17.639 I did there. 262 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.919 But you get the idea, Okay, but you're saying the 263 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:22.720 one that I have is probably too long for me. 264 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:29.360 I think so, yeah, oh boy, get that left hand 265 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:35.320 yeah good, yeah, good, Get that ball position just a 266 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.720 little bit more forward to a little more forward, just a. 267 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:38.200 Little bit. 268 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:41.639 In my stands. 269 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:47.440 Yeah, that will help with the top hand position as well, 270 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:53.679 getting it, you know, closer to there you go. That 271 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.759 looks great, Fred, of course that one forgot to break. 272 00:12:57.840 --> 00:12:59.279 That was a great putt. That's a great stroke. 273 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:00.000 Thank you. 274 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:00.600 Really good point. 275 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.879 Also, the distance control when I was practicing with it, yeah, 276 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:07.679 sure it took a couple but it didn't matter because 277 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.320 the line was so true. And if it stopped three 278 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:14.639 inches short, oh that's frustrating, but it was three inches longer. 279 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:15.320 It's in the hole. 280 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.200 I mean, I've actually what's funny is like there's you know, 281 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.320 because it was only yippers generally that were switching to brooms. 282 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.759 You know, they were really heavy and there wasn't that 283 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:28.679 many people that actually tried them or use them, so 284 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.240 there wasn't any real curriculum about them, and there wasn't 285 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:34.440 any actual data as to what is good and bad 286 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.679 about it, and the stigma would be it's bad for 287 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.279 lag putting, they're bad for short nuanced puts. My experience 288 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.399 and watching people go into them is the exact opposite. 289 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.799 Their speed is the first thing to improve. And that's 290 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.759 because now this method is a like we were talking 291 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.960 about before, a one handed motion where were you like 292 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:52.639 you don't have to you wouldn't have to think about 293 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.600 how hard to toss this ball to get it to 294 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:55.320 go near the hole. 295 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:56.519 And how many. 296 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.080 Times have I not only shared it because what I've 297 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.080 learned on the podcast, but do it myself. 298 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:04.639 But I'm chipping standing there going what does that feel like? 299 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:07.679 And and you need to bring to the shot correct 300 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.440 and and and with a broomstick it mirrors that more 301 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:14.200 uh more than with a conventional putter. So yeah, speed 302 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:15.600 is not a thing, and the weight of the head 303 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:23.039 controls it for you, and it's nice and easy. Well, 304 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.320 you gotta get used to the slick Emerald Valley greens. 305 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.639 They're nasty, Tim Tucker. 306 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.720 I usually walk my putts out yea to measure, so 307 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:35.759 it's like, okay, yeah, I know it's all feel but. 308 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.360 You can play in under five hours? 309 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:44.200 Yes I can, but I can't. I need to know 310 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:45.960 what my distances. I walk it off in. 311 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:57.200 Someone else's puttings. That wasn't nice. 312 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:02.159 There you go, good speed there? All right? Are you 313 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:03.320 ready to dominate it? Thank you. 314 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.840 I really appreciated tutorial and the time and the tour. 315 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.120 It's been awesome. Let's go play a team, Let's go 316 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:18.120 play some golf. Cool, let's do this then, all right? 317 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.120 So yeah, this is all admin stuff over here in 318 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.039 this bay, so you still have more room to grow. 319 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.240 So actually, as a very recently, we just as signed 320 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:31.480 the least for the whole building. So I'm taking in 321 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:33.519 there and starting like a giant ballroom. We're gonna be 322 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.039 able to turn into a big putting studio. See if 323 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:40.399 it's open right now. So, oh you're kidding, No, I 324 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:44.200 mean how cool it is. This whole whole thing is 325 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:47.639 going to be able to be you know, retail giant 326 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:50.639 putting green, all the fitting equipment, all the everything, state 327 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:57.600 of the art and totally. Yeah, absolutely finally, like we 328 00:15:57.679 --> 00:15:59.639 used to have. We used to have an all hands 329 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:02.399 meeting of morning I'm sorry, every week and uh, you know, 330 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:05.480 Monday morning when we first moved to Eugene, there was 331 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.600 twelve employees at our at our first spot in a 332 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.919 different neighborhood in Eugene. Monday morning, we all stand up 333 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:14.600 and tell everybody what's going on or whatever, and then 334 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:17.279 then there was thirty and it was a little tedious. 335 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:19.200 So it was every couple of weeks and we'd all 336 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:21.519 jam into a hallway and you know whatever, and then 337 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:25.159 you know, the massive explosion and employments. You know, over 338 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.600 the last six months we were doing it all hands, 339 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:30.639 and we used to just do it in that hallway 340 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:32.000 and it got to a point where I couldn't see 341 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.399 ayody like like, so it's so now we need this 342 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:37.600 whole room for currently for all of our all hands meetings. 343 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:39.720 So this ladder is actually for you to stand on 344 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:41.279 to see everybody. 345 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.039 I stand at the podium, they give me a microphone. Now, 346 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:44.559 oh my god, I never use. 347 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:46.759 It, but yeah, I can't imagine you would. 348 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:54.679 But yes, wait, is this your new secret weapon, Potter 349 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:55.600 that you're designing. 350 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.799 This is Gavin Handles, Uh basically, Uh, Handle's maintenance for 351 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:10.160 the whole Green Fred and Z who's been using since 352 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:14.839 he was. Gavin and I've actually known each other for 353 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:18.200 close to fifteen years twelve thirteen, fifteen years. Now I 354 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.319 have another business hand a bar in Eugene that's like 355 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.000 a pinball arcade and was that you still have it? 356 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.039 I do? Unfortunately you want. 357 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:29.680 To buy it looking for that market. 358 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.680 And Gavin, in addition to being probably the best pinball 359 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:36.400 player you've ever met in your life, also used to 360 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.880 work on him. So he and I uh opened that 361 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:42.319 place up together. Wow. Taking away from that, Yeah, so. 362 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:44.920 You must be able to read me read Greens really 363 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:46.759 well if you're good at pimballing. 364 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.160 Yeah, it's all English and spin. 365 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:51.079 Yeah exactly. 366 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.359 If Greens had schematics, then yes. 367 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:57.400 They do, they do. They do. There's Green books now yep. 368 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.000 But you know how like the rest of us play pinball, 369 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:02.200 and it's like the whole object is just not to 370 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.079 let it go down the hole. We don't actually consider 371 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.160 that you can hit a target intentionally, you know with 372 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:07.640 a pinball. 373 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:10.359 Wait, you're talking about golfer golf. 374 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:13.680 We were able to actually build a community, you know, 375 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:16.480 beyond just being a bar. There's a local community, but 376 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:20.759 also a larger pinball community at hand to players and 377 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.079 it goes on to national, international championships and stuff. 378 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.000 So the beauty of being in a college town. 379 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:28.240 He was the only one that can. Very few people 380 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.200 in the world can still repair the old electro mechanical 381 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.279 ones like the actual scoring reels and stuff like that. 382 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.200 You wouldn't know anything about this, but he probably does. 383 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:39.519 And exactly so we have all those games still and 384 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:42.240 consequently people come from all over the country to check 385 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:46.640 them out and everything. There is just more office space. 386 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:48.680 That's that's where the whole customer service team, all the 387 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.279 remote fitters, all the folks that you know, face to 388 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:54.640 face deal with the company are all stacked up in 389 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.759 there for now. But yeah, we're going to start building 390 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:01.480 out this whole hallway and stuff with with offices and 391 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.319 that we just signed included rights to that lot over there. 392 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.400 So with the growth plan, at some point we'll start 393 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:11.039 building construction. About a year, we'll start building a new building. 394 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.319 Okay, So a lot of. 395 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:18.240 People I saw on the live tourn PGLF. 396 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:21.599 We had sixteen putters and play at the US Senior US. 397 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:27.640 Please meet Fred Green and Zebby Perez. She's made, She's 398 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.359 made plenty of yours. She's been with us since Reno. 399 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:31.119 She's been with us. 400 00:19:31.079 --> 00:19:33.440 Since five years ago. 401 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:42.440