Speaker 1: Hey, this is Ben Bert from Exeter, New Hampshire, and
Speaker 1: I play at Apple Hill golf Course.
Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter, episode nine hundred and fifty eight.
Speaker 3: Everything's conceptualized and then this machine poops it out and
Speaker 3: we turned it into a putter. That's pretty sweet. The
Speaker 3: rest of this stuff is all actual production manufacturing. These
Speaker 3: machines right here are like eighty bitty tiny little versions
Speaker 3: of that. This is actually a five actiacy. And see,
Speaker 3: these little guys enabled us to go from when you
Speaker 3: first met Bill to actually being able to produce these
Speaker 3: somewhat consistently. So I mean, you remember you were there
Speaker 3: in the early days, right when you get putters, and
Speaker 3: now they all kind of felt a little different, you know,
Speaker 3: even though they were supposed to basically be the same.
Speaker 3: And this one's heavy and this one's light whatever. Because
Speaker 3: where we located a hole, if you miss it by
Speaker 3: ten thousands of an inch, the putter's going to be
Speaker 3: twenty or thirty grams later or heavier, depending upon what
Speaker 3: we need in order to get a balance. And we
Speaker 3: found these things and enabled us to drill holes precise
Speaker 3: enough to actually start making them consistently and fast. So
Speaker 3: that was a very very big deal for us.
Speaker 1: Lab Golf DF three broomstick putter tutorial and factory tour
Speaker 1: with CEO Samhn.
Speaker 4: This is golf Smarter sharing stories, tips and insights from
Speaker 4: great golf minds to help you lower your score and
Speaker 4: raise your golf IQ.
Speaker 5: Here's your host, Fred Green.
Speaker 1: Well, let me make a quick setup for today's episode.
Speaker 1: What you're about to hear is the audio from two
Speaker 1: new videos that also live on our YouTube channel at
Speaker 1: golf Smarter. The first part of the episode, which is
Speaker 1: a standalone video, is Samhan, CEO of Lab Golf, the
Speaker 1: hottest putter company on the planet, giving me a tutorial
Speaker 1: on how to take full advantage of my new Lab
Speaker 1: Golf DF three broomstick putter. Then we'll get into our
Speaker 1: second video, which is Sam giving us the full tour
Speaker 1: of the Lab Golf factory, which is in Creswell, Oregon,
Speaker 1: just south of Eugene. Joining us on the tour and
Speaker 1: on microphone is a fourteen year old competitive junior golfer
Speaker 1: who's been using a Lab putter for years, named zeb Perez.
Speaker 1: You'll learn a lot in this show, but what blew
Speaker 1: me away is when we first met Sam back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, he had about eighteen employees.
Speaker 5: And now one hundred and fifty. Company is hot again.
Speaker 5: There are now two videos on YouTube that show you
Speaker 5: this entire episode. So let's get started with Sam teaching
Speaker 5: me how to use my new putter.
Speaker 1: I'm here with Sam Han, CEO of Lab Golf, and
Speaker 1: we are on the practice putting green today because I
Speaker 1: am now starting to use a DF three broomstick putter
Speaker 1: and I have no idea how to do it. Although
Speaker 1: it's a good idea for me to do this because
Speaker 1: one thing I have noticed in my putting, and it's
Speaker 1: improved vastly since I use the Lab Golf putter. My
Speaker 1: left hand gets in the way. If I'm pulling, i'm pushing,
Speaker 1: it's always my left hand.
Speaker 6: Oh interesting, does the bad work?
Speaker 1: So I thought, okay, if I can just eliminate my
Speaker 1: left hand and the broomstick would help that.
Speaker 3: And so you're absolutely spot on and an apropos of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I tell people my favorite thing about brooms
Speaker 3: is that it is it is a closer relationship to
Speaker 3: virtually every other kind of precise action that we do.
Speaker 3: You would never use your left hand to write if
Speaker 3: you're if you're right handed. You know, you're never going
Speaker 3: to throw a dart with two hands, and a lot
Speaker 3: of these actions that we try, particularly in golf, where
Speaker 3: you do need to you know, both hands to you know,
Speaker 3: we have this illusion of needing both hands to steady
Speaker 3: the instrument. They're in conflict a lot of times. They
Speaker 3: think they work differently, they think differently. So broomsticking is
Speaker 3: beautiful because yes, your left hand is there to support,
Speaker 3: you know, the top of the club. But other than that,
Speaker 3: this is this is ball rolling, right, you know, this
Speaker 3: is just rolling hand. Well, you can you can sign
Speaker 3: tattle this way, right, but you can't do it this way. Okay,
Speaker 3: you can't do it correct. Croquet, they were a little
Speaker 3: worried about Sam Sneed winning a couple couple of masters
Speaker 3: is into his fifty, so they outlawed that.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, does it make you
Speaker 1: nervous at all that they're going to start winning on
Speaker 1: the professional tours and they're gonna go, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 6: We can't do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't make me nervous. I mean, broomstick,
Speaker 3: we we probably sell more broomsticks than just about anybody else,
Speaker 3: but it's still not like this enormous.
Speaker 5: Part of our your science behind it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know how they I don't know what rule
Speaker 3: they could write. I mean, and we thought about it,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean like it would just be, yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be it would be an interesting rule. So no,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have any concern about that because
Speaker 3: it's still putting, man. I mean, you still got to
Speaker 3: read the putt, you still got to pick a line,
Speaker 3: you still got to do all the stuff.
Speaker 1: So we have a tea time coming up, so let's
Speaker 1: get a tutorial here. So as soon as I got this,
Speaker 1: I went out.
Speaker 6: I have a practice putting green.
Speaker 1: But I went to the local course and I went
Speaker 1: on the practice putting green there, trying different things, recognizing
Speaker 1: different things about my stroke, where my hands go, lef
Speaker 1: my hands go.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: So I was just hoping, yeah, should absolutely So.
Speaker 3: The kind of the good starting place, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: is kind of seeing the spectrum between what I what
Speaker 3: I consider to be the two you know, kind of
Speaker 3: opposite ends of it. Bernhard Langer one end, Adam Scott
Speaker 3: at the other. So these guys are both prolific, you
Speaker 3: know putters with their broomstick putters. Bernhard is about five
Speaker 3: foot eight uses a forty seven inch putter sometimes forty
Speaker 3: eight inch putter. Stands virtually straight up. This arm is
Speaker 3: pretty close to his body. The forearm can't touch the
Speaker 3: ribs right, that's part of the anchoring. So he's close,
Speaker 3: but not that close. And then his whole stroke is
Speaker 3: driven just by the right arm. And yeah, his shoulders
Speaker 3: will move, but he's not moving them, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: They're along for the ride. On the other side of
Speaker 3: the spectrum, you've got Adam who's you know, bent over
Speaker 3: quite a bit, really framed up, elbow out to the target,
Speaker 3: and he's using his back and his core to move
Speaker 3: the putter and so and then you know, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of somewhere right in between personally, and so messing around
Speaker 3: with both sides of that equation is important. Given what
Speaker 3: you said about your left hand kind of causing you
Speaker 3: some problems, I kind of like the idea of going
Speaker 3: a little bit more sort of the Burnhard Langer, and
Speaker 3: so what we're gonna want to do. First thing with
Speaker 3: the left hand. You can put your thumb on top.
Speaker 3: Most people do. Some people do it like this one
Speaker 3: of our cgo Ryan, who you met, you know, he
Speaker 3: does it like this. However, what's really important is that
Speaker 3: these three fingers stay pretty relaxed, the bottom ones, so
Speaker 3: we really it's like this, okay, because we don't want
Speaker 3: to have to move. We don't want the wrist and
Speaker 3: forum and all that to have to move with it.
Speaker 3: We want kind of just a single access point here.
Speaker 3: So it's nice and light with nice and light with
Speaker 3: the three fingers exactly exactly. And then generally the top
Speaker 3: of the grip should be at the sternum or slightly
Speaker 3: towards the target if anything. Okay, yep, ball position is
Speaker 3: going to be forward because of the onset head there.
Speaker 1: And I'm used to the forward press since I've been
Speaker 1: using your putters for four sures now, but this isn't relevant, yeah.
Speaker 3: Correct, okay. And and then the next thing you got
Speaker 3: to figure out is that is that left hand. Let's
Speaker 3: make sure, Yeah, like I said, let's make sure we
Speaker 3: get this hand either on that plaque or this side
Speaker 3: of it. We don't want it back okay here, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So you can screwt your ball forward too, will probably
Speaker 3: help you get there, okay.
Speaker 1: And I was finding them when I was practicing that
Speaker 1: they unlike what I was doing with my regular sized
Speaker 1: DF three that the ball was just inside my foot.
Speaker 3: Yeah you get I mean as far forward as your
Speaker 3: company Okay, yep, yeah, that looks pretty good there. Let's
Speaker 3: get that. Yep, there you go, get that uh hand
Speaker 3: forward as if your MIC's in the way, we should
Speaker 3: probably move it so you can put properly here for you,
Speaker 3: probably because it looks like you have some tendency to
Speaker 3: get it too far back. So yeah, let's feel like
Speaker 3: it's on the low. Go your shirt almost, okay, and
Speaker 3: then and then the next piece is the right hand,
Speaker 3: and it's and it's there's there's no rules here, there's
Speaker 3: no curriculum around any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: And so I found if I just let it hang
Speaker 1: and just kind of hold it from there, yep. And
Speaker 1: then of course, don't sold the putter, just have it
Speaker 1: off the ground a quarter inch, because when I sold it,
Speaker 1: I felt a drag and then it turns.
Speaker 3: So the reason that was happening is because of that
Speaker 3: top hand, which again is creeping all the way back
Speaker 3: behind the other side. So because if you think about it,
Speaker 3: you're leading the shaft back. The putter wants to go
Speaker 3: down into the ground. The putter's forward, it's going to
Speaker 3: come off the ground. So yeah, that's that's going to
Speaker 3: be key for you. And we might want to get
Speaker 3: you a little shorter one. I think that's going to
Speaker 3: make it easier. So this one's a little shorter, we
Speaker 3: can figure that out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, interesting is you get that?
Speaker 1: When I look the video online about about fitting for
Speaker 1: the broomstick, you were like, it's not a who lot.
Speaker 5: You don't send us a video.
Speaker 3: No, you're just trying to pick a comfortable length. So
Speaker 3: then so if you're if if your hand is hanging,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of how you're saying, and then you
Speaker 3: just put it on, I might encourage you to try this, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that way the palm is kind of in line
Speaker 3: with the face there, and now all you're gonna do
Speaker 3: is just gonna push your palm at the hole. How
Speaker 3: there you go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the first thing I noticed is the weight difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're significantly heavier and so significantly Yeah, so at
Speaker 3: first people tend to sort of because of the weight,
Speaker 3: they end up kind of falling inside, you know, the
Speaker 3: weight of it just falls this way. So at first
Speaker 3: I tell people to kind of almost feel like the
Speaker 3: putter moves outside and shut like, you know, feel like
Speaker 3: you're kind of doing that at first, and you won't be,
Speaker 3: but that's kind of the that's kind of the early feel.
Speaker 5: I need to do is get my left hand a
Speaker 5: little farther.
Speaker 3: Forward, Yes, much further forward, much further forward. Yep, yeah
Speaker 3: for you. I mean I see, because I could have
Speaker 3: just been seeing New Year all the way over here.
Speaker 3: I think that that was a product this putter just
Speaker 3: being a little long for you. There you go, that's
Speaker 3: much better good.
Speaker 1: Bought uh Mes one for a friend for his birthday
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. He absolutely loves it and
Speaker 1: changed his game dramatically. But I'm really partial to the
Speaker 1: DF three.
Speaker 3: Oh it's a great putter.
Speaker 1: It's a great It feels so much different than the
Speaker 1: two point one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So it was immediate and I know how you feel.
Speaker 1: But as one guy on YouTube, an Englishman, I need
Speaker 1: to call it.
Speaker 6: A gimme grabber. Yeah, it's like I'm.
Speaker 3: In this is it's pretty nice.
Speaker 1: Cool, it's so cool all right up left here and
Speaker 1: so this is a little.
Speaker 3: Shorter, really good, and so you know, and I would
Speaker 3: experiment more with the right hand. I'd also experiment with
Speaker 3: how far down here you know you're putting it. Some
Speaker 3: people want to really stretched out, some people like a
Speaker 3: little bit more leverage in there. And then also kind
Speaker 3: of where the hand goes so the you know, again
Speaker 3: just going to the way that you know, I've seen
Speaker 3: other people do it really get stroke there. It's just
Speaker 3: dart and right right at the bottom there, So I like,
Speaker 3: I don't take it personally. I mean, they're starting with
Speaker 3: your point and that's the only that's the only thing
Speaker 3: we're in charge of, right And.
Speaker 1: That's the greatest thing about the lab golf putters is
Speaker 1: all you need to do is focus on your distance
Speaker 1: once you get your line set up exactly.
Speaker 3: So I do it like this, so I'm kind of
Speaker 3: pinching underneath. This is how Adam does it as well.
Speaker 3: And then there's some guys who will kind of go
Speaker 3: straight on this way, so their hands kind of almost
Speaker 3: at about a forty five degree angle, and then some
Speaker 3: guys are straight on top this way. Ultimately, all we're
Speaker 3: trying to do is figure out whatever is the most
Speaker 3: natural way for you to keep the putter on plane, Okay,
Speaker 3: And for me, I know that if I start doing
Speaker 3: this number putter starts going that.
Speaker 1: Way, I've noticed, and then even pushing out when I.
Speaker 3: Make contact correct, and so a lot of that, you know,
Speaker 3: elbow position and shoulders, arms, and you just have to
Speaker 3: experiment to figure out what's best for you. Ultimately, even
Speaker 3: though this is almost like a little uncomfortable for me,
Speaker 3: I have to fight to kind of keep that elbow
Speaker 3: in there and do it that way. That's the way
Speaker 3: that for me, I'm able to take the putter straight
Speaker 3: back and pull it off to the left just like
Speaker 3: I did there.
Speaker 1: But you get the idea, Okay, but you're saying the
Speaker 1: one that I have is probably too long for me.
Speaker 7: I think so, yeah, oh boy, get that left hand
Speaker 7: yeah good, yeah, good, Get that ball position just a
Speaker 7: little bit more forward to a little more forward, just a.
Speaker 3: Little bit.
Speaker 6: In my stands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that will help with the top hand position as well,
Speaker 3: getting it, you know, closer to there you go. That
Speaker 3: looks great, Fred, of course that one forgot to break.
Speaker 3: That was a great putt. That's a great stroke.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Really good point.
Speaker 1: Also, the distance control when I was practicing with it, yeah,
Speaker 1: sure it took a couple but it didn't matter because
Speaker 1: the line was so true. And if it stopped three
Speaker 1: inches short, oh that's frustrating, but it was three inches longer.
Speaker 6: It's in the hole.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've actually what's funny is like there's you know,
Speaker 3: because it was only yippers generally that were switching to brooms.
Speaker 3: You know, they were really heavy and there wasn't that
Speaker 3: many people that actually tried them or use them, so
Speaker 3: there wasn't any real curriculum about them, and there wasn't
Speaker 3: any actual data as to what is good and bad
Speaker 3: about it, and the stigma would be it's bad for
Speaker 3: lag putting, they're bad for short nuanced puts. My experience
Speaker 3: and watching people go into them is the exact opposite.
Speaker 3: Their speed is the first thing to improve. And that's
Speaker 3: because now this method is a like we were talking
Speaker 3: about before, a one handed motion where were you like
Speaker 3: you don't have to you wouldn't have to think about
Speaker 3: how hard to toss this ball to get it to
Speaker 3: go near the hole.
Speaker 6: And how many.
Speaker 1: Times have I not only shared it because what I've
Speaker 1: learned on the podcast, but do it myself.
Speaker 5: But I'm chipping standing there going what does that feel like?
Speaker 3: And and you need to bring to the shot correct
Speaker 3: and and and with a broomstick it mirrors that more
Speaker 3: uh more than with a conventional putter. So yeah, speed
Speaker 3: is not a thing, and the weight of the head
Speaker 3: controls it for you, and it's nice and easy. Well,
Speaker 3: you gotta get used to the slick Emerald Valley greens.
Speaker 3: They're nasty, Tim Tucker.
Speaker 1: I usually walk my putts out yea to measure, so
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, yeah, I know it's all feel but.
Speaker 3: You can play in under five hours?
Speaker 6: Yes I can, but I can't. I need to know
Speaker 6: what my distances. I walk it off in.
Speaker 1: Someone else's puttings. That wasn't nice.
Speaker 3: There you go, good speed there? All right? Are you
Speaker 3: ready to dominate it? Thank you.
Speaker 5: I really appreciated tutorial and the time and the tour.
Speaker 3: It's been awesome. Let's go play a team, Let's go
Speaker 3: play some golf. Cool, let's do this then, all right?
Speaker 3: So yeah, this is all admin stuff over here in
Speaker 3: this bay, so you still have more room to grow.
Speaker 3: So actually, as a very recently, we just as signed
Speaker 3: the least for the whole building. So I'm taking in
Speaker 3: there and starting like a giant ballroom. We're gonna be
Speaker 3: able to turn into a big putting studio. See if
Speaker 3: it's open right now. So, oh you're kidding, No, I
Speaker 3: mean how cool it is. This whole whole thing is
Speaker 3: going to be able to be you know, retail giant
Speaker 3: putting green, all the fitting equipment, all the everything, state
Speaker 3: of the art and totally. Yeah, absolutely finally, like we
Speaker 3: used to have. We used to have an all hands
Speaker 3: meeting of morning I'm sorry, every week and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: Monday morning when we first moved to Eugene, there was
Speaker 3: twelve employees at our at our first spot in a
Speaker 3: different neighborhood in Eugene. Monday morning, we all stand up
Speaker 3: and tell everybody what's going on or whatever, and then
Speaker 3: then there was thirty and it was a little tedious.
Speaker 3: So it was every couple of weeks and we'd all
Speaker 3: jam into a hallway and you know whatever, and then
Speaker 3: you know, the massive explosion and employments. You know, over
Speaker 3: the last six months we were doing it all hands,
Speaker 3: and we used to just do it in that hallway
Speaker 3: and it got to a point where I couldn't see
Speaker 3: ayody like like, so it's so now we need this
Speaker 3: whole room for currently for all of our all hands meetings.
Speaker 1: So this ladder is actually for you to stand on
Speaker 1: to see everybody.
Speaker 3: I stand at the podium, they give me a microphone. Now,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I never use.
Speaker 6: It, but yeah, I can't imagine you would.
Speaker 1: But yes, wait, is this your new secret weapon, Potter
Speaker 1: that you're designing.
Speaker 3: This is Gavin Handles, Uh basically, Uh, Handle's maintenance for
Speaker 3: the whole Green Fred and Z who's been using since
Speaker 3: he was. Gavin and I've actually known each other for
Speaker 3: close to fifteen years twelve thirteen, fifteen years. Now I
Speaker 3: have another business hand a bar in Eugene that's like
Speaker 3: a pinball arcade and was that you still have it?
Speaker 3: I do? Unfortunately you want.
Speaker 6: To buy it looking for that market.
Speaker 3: And Gavin, in addition to being probably the best pinball
Speaker 3: player you've ever met in your life, also used to
Speaker 3: work on him. So he and I uh opened that
Speaker 3: place up together. Wow. Taking away from that, Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: You must be able to read me read Greens really
Speaker 1: well if you're good at pimballing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's all English and spin.
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: If Greens had schematics, then yes.
Speaker 3: They do, they do. They do. There's Green books now yep.
Speaker 3: But you know how like the rest of us play pinball,
Speaker 3: and it's like the whole object is just not to
Speaker 3: let it go down the hole. We don't actually consider
Speaker 3: that you can hit a target intentionally, you know with
Speaker 3: a pinball.
Speaker 6: Wait, you're talking about golfer golf.
Speaker 2: We were able to actually build a community, you know,
Speaker 2: beyond just being a bar. There's a local community, but
Speaker 2: also a larger pinball community at hand to players and
Speaker 2: it goes on to national, international championships and stuff.
Speaker 6: So the beauty of being in a college town.
Speaker 3: He was the only one that can. Very few people
Speaker 3: in the world can still repair the old electro mechanical
Speaker 3: ones like the actual scoring reels and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't know anything about this, but he probably does.
Speaker 3: And exactly so we have all those games still and
Speaker 3: consequently people come from all over the country to check
Speaker 3: them out and everything. There is just more office space.
Speaker 3: That's that's where the whole customer service team, all the
Speaker 3: remote fitters, all the folks that you know, face to
Speaker 3: face deal with the company are all stacked up in
Speaker 3: there for now. But yeah, we're going to start building
Speaker 3: out this whole hallway and stuff with with offices and
Speaker 3: that we just signed included rights to that lot over there.
Speaker 3: So with the growth plan, at some point we'll start
Speaker 3: building construction. About a year, we'll start building a new building.
Speaker 6: Okay, So a lot of.
Speaker 8: People I saw on the live tourn PGLF.
Speaker 3: We had sixteen putters and play at the US Senior US.
Speaker 3: Please meet Fred Green and Zebby Perez. She's made, She's
Speaker 3: made plenty of yours. She's been with us since Reno.
Speaker 3: She's been with us.
Speaker 6: Since five years ago.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, finally, Oh wonderful, excited to be out here.
Speaker 6: It's awesome.
Speaker 3: He just played in a tournament up at the tournament up.
Speaker 3: I've shrunk just but yeah, she's been with us forever.
Speaker 3: When yeah, we were struggling to kind of figure out
Speaker 3: how it was all going to work and Reno and everything,
Speaker 3: and ultimately just at twenty one years old, got a
Speaker 3: call being like, hey, so would you mind running the company?
Speaker 3: She was like, okay, so, I mean she really call me.
Speaker 3: Everything moving for for a while down there and Reno
Speaker 3: and you know you run before after Kevin Kevin hired
Speaker 3: you right.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, twenty years old, Yeah, your story straight unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Now she's got fifty people working for her.
Speaker 6: Good to me too.
Speaker 3: So the place was a was a fitness center.
Speaker 6: This was the worst one.
Speaker 3: This was the lady's locker room and is now our
Speaker 3: R and D s.
Speaker 6: Then this is where the design work gets done.
Speaker 3: This is this is all the design works. So in
Speaker 3: this room is both design and tour, R and D
Speaker 3: and tour. So so these are the ones we're working
Speaker 3: on for Adam Scott's new Putter, new prototype here and
Speaker 3: we'll have it in a you know, regular shorter configuration too.
Speaker 3: But it's pretty cool, very nice. Well, so you making
Speaker 3: most of them without the hope.
Speaker 9: Without the hope now that was the original designment, and
Speaker 9: then so this this would have been like I think
Speaker 9: we ended up with eighty different versions before we ultimately
Speaker 9: settled on the one that we released. This would have
Speaker 9: been let's see, actually, wow, let's see Kevin zin.
Speaker 1: Hi, Fred, it's great, me too, after hearing your voice
Speaker 1: so much on the the podcast with Fire Pit with
Speaker 1: Matt Janella, Yeah, yeah, it was so much fun. We
Speaker 1: just drove up from Northern California yesterday and listened to
Speaker 1: the entire series the whole time.
Speaker 6: It's the second time I've listened to it. Now it's research.
Speaker 10: I was just finance some informations and didbits for you
Speaker 10: hit right, that's it right.
Speaker 1: No, the first time I had Sam on my podcast
Speaker 1: was two thousand and twenty or nineteen.
Speaker 6: So I've been obsessed with the Putters.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I just maybe just started working there
Speaker 10: when he was on it, because I remember.
Speaker 6: When he told me about it.
Speaker 10: Because when I was living in Australia before I came
Speaker 10: back in twenty eighteen, there wasn't many golf podcasts around.
Speaker 10: And I remember when I was a cabinet maker back
Speaker 10: in Australia weapons for my dad, and when I used
Speaker 10: to go install I listened to Golf Smarter.
Speaker 6: Thank You, that was what I would do.
Speaker 10: So when Thank You, when Sam reached out and was like, hey,
Speaker 10: i'd love.
Speaker 6: You to look up with this guy, and I was
Speaker 6: just like, yeah, you.
Speaker 10: Don't need to do you don't need to give me
Speaker 10: any introduction.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: It was really cool.
Speaker 6: I'm flattered. Thank you so much. That's amazing. I'm still
Speaker 6: around many episodes now.
Speaker 1: This week was nine hundred and fifty six of a
Speaker 1: weekly podcast.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, I've got one thousand in sight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's just around the corner. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, nineteen years of doing I started this year and
Speaker 1: a half before the iPhone came out.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. You're the only guy.
Speaker 6: Back in the day, I really was the only one.
Speaker 3: Podcast was cool.
Speaker 1: Well they are cool now. It's pretty amazing people like podcast.
Speaker 6: I've been doing that for a while.
Speaker 3: I mean that's like the common thing.
Speaker 10: What TV shows, what potcast you let's say, they say.
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, Well, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6: I'm just so excited.
Speaker 3: You were a B two guy for a long time,
Speaker 3: weren't you. That was kind of cool. Huh. We made
Speaker 3: that for note to beget is.
Speaker 8: That he's a two side putting.
Speaker 3: That's what that's what these are.
Speaker 6: Really is for switch hitters.
Speaker 3: Ye wow, I left hand the be too. Ye that's him.
Speaker 3: That was signs. This is Liam Man. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you guys actually shok hands yet.
Speaker 8: No, how you doing.
Speaker 3: Delia's the one who's been building your puttersh for the
Speaker 3: last years, two years, year and a half, two years
Speaker 3: something like that. He handles all the tour guys, all
Speaker 3: the college kids and everything like that. So awesome, awesome.
Speaker 3: Once you get on the PGA tour, he's going to
Speaker 3: be who you get your cutters from sweet Still.
Speaker 8: You have three is amazing, so thank you once again.
Speaker 8: Pretty good, it's pretty good. I've got used to like
Speaker 8: because I started doing like arm work like that and
Speaker 8: it's kind of tinkering between like you know, the standard
Speaker 8: armlock and kind of left handlone and stuff.
Speaker 6: But the Potter rules.
Speaker 8: Perfect, perfect, it's so stable like the greens. I played
Speaker 8: a pumpkin ridge so fast right, so I was able.
Speaker 8: I can either make a thirty foot like it's tapp
Speaker 8: ins or just lag it close to fun.
Speaker 3: He was at uh at Pumpkin for the Underrated Tour.
Speaker 3: Steph Curry's got that's why he's here. So they played.
Speaker 3: They just played pumpkin vers last two days and sounds
Speaker 3: like T twenty. We'll take it.
Speaker 1: We'll take it, We'll take it.
Speaker 3: How many did you see any other labs up in
Speaker 3: the up in the field.
Speaker 8: Yes, nice, about a couple people in the female division
Speaker 8: and the boys that is all using lab golf. A
Speaker 8: lot of the mes mez and the and the b,
Speaker 8: the link, the three and the link.
Speaker 3: We had the start of amatags Itellian's going out out here.
Speaker 3: They had it last year. There was one kid that
Speaker 3: had one and then I don't know if you did
Speaker 3: you see any of the warm up this morning or whatever,
Speaker 3: there's like at least fifteen a lot if not more.
Speaker 10: I mean so a lot of players these days like, oh, well,
Speaker 10: you guys are blowing up. This is so much great.
Speaker 10: It's like, it's so cool to see guys using it
Speaker 10: in the field. Like to me, it's not even the
Speaker 10: guys in the field but using it these days, it's
Speaker 10: the props. Right when I first started going out that
Speaker 10: we had zero punts ever in AM Like the first season,
Speaker 10: I think I saw two punters every time I saw
Speaker 10: when I go up to shake it, Thank you so much.
Speaker 10: And now these days it's twenty severy.
Speaker 8: Pro Like the kids to train at my academy where
Speaker 8: I go to, all of them have either the MEZ or.
Speaker 6: The link one.
Speaker 8: So we have even the coaches to they mess around
Speaker 8: with the mess.
Speaker 4: Well none of them have it. And then he started
Speaker 4: he brought the mes right, and then everybody, you know
Speaker 4: how kids for sure, let me see that thing you
Speaker 4: know about.
Speaker 1: An incredible article. It shows that you guys are number
Speaker 1: five on the tour.
Speaker 3: Now was consistently number five and then occasionally three and four,
Speaker 3: Oh is that right. Yeah, we've we've we've had numbers
Speaker 3: higher than Tailor made a handful of times on the
Speaker 3: Cornary team. The Cornberry Tour, we were the second most
Speaker 3: used putter at the Senior US. We were number two.
Speaker 1: This one is nice the champions, you guys. So thats
Speaker 1: one of the Max.
Speaker 3: Any any room that you see with that head on is.
Speaker 6: A Max is a Max.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the Max. That's how the Max happened. Actually,
Speaker 3: so it was Liam's fault. We uh so we made
Speaker 3: the MESU. I'm Scott liked the look of it, but
Speaker 3: the chassis for the original mes one wasn't big enough
Speaker 3: to get enough weight in it. Okay, So Kevin blew
Speaker 3: it up a little bit so we could get two
Speaker 3: rows of weights in it. And then, uh Liam was
Speaker 3: just screwing around one day and just made a conventional
Speaker 3: putter out of it instead of a broom and everybody
Speaker 3: liked it better. So the Max was born.
Speaker 6: Interesting, I've ever been.
Speaker 10: So nervous after building it because I built it felt
Speaker 10: unreal and I was like, I'm gonna show this.
Speaker 3: It was just I was like, now it because.
Speaker 10: I wasn't sure which way Sam's gonna go with. I
Speaker 10: wasn't sure it's gonna be, like, why are you wasting any.
Speaker 6: Time making it bigger?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just building this small thing because because
Speaker 3: it was already bigger, the head was already there, it
Speaker 3: was just only being used for broom. He was the
Speaker 3: first person to you know, chat it conventionally.
Speaker 6: And conventional one.
Speaker 10: And I remember just being so like, this could go either,
Speaker 10: this could go the fifty to fifty chances goes really well,
Speaker 10: really badly.
Speaker 3: Oh good, Yeah, that's our best selling putter of all time.
Speaker 6: Well really well or ignored.
Speaker 3: Sorry to interrupt you, guys, guys, this is uh, this
Speaker 3: is Brian. Brian is our Fred R and D.
Speaker 6: I know who you are.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I mean, friend, You're fine, okay.
Speaker 6: But he's impressive. I'm fine, you're.
Speaker 8: Yes, sir.
Speaker 3: First time he was playing in the underrated to Steph
Speaker 3: Curry's thing. There he is, there's Kevin. Do you remember
Speaker 3: ze Press this is dead.
Speaker 8: I like to be sure, by the way, that's sick.
Speaker 3: I think we might. I think we might have some
Speaker 3: for you. We'll get to we'll get to send you
Speaker 3: out for a bunch of guys. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 8: Pretty good rocking the d F three for about a
Speaker 8: couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Now let me take it. I'll take you guys kind
Speaker 3: of through the general process real quick. So we'll go
Speaker 3: in Kevin's office because Kevin's office is way cooler. So,
Speaker 3: like I mentioned, this was, uh, this was a health club,
Speaker 3: is what this build, this part of the building was.
Speaker 3: This was the sauna. Is Kevin's office. Go ahead and
Speaker 3: take a peek in there, and you know that's where
Speaker 3: all the original prototypes are, and so all the drawing
Speaker 3: and everything gets done. Concepts are done here, Plans are
Speaker 3: made here. So after you know, we've got you know,
Speaker 3: pretty robust process involved in approving drawings and kind of
Speaker 3: figuring out which direction we want to go on design.
Speaker 3: But the coolest thing that happened in the last few
Speaker 3: years when we moved into this building is that we
Speaker 3: had enough space for our own machinery. And so as
Speaker 3: soon as we've got you know, a design that we
Speaker 3: want to try, we go into this room. So as
Speaker 3: soon as we got this machine right here, our lives
Speaker 3: changed instantly. So this is what enables us to go
Speaker 3: from a napkin drawing to actually, you know, having a
Speaker 3: putter that we can touch. So it's a five acts
Speaker 3: C and C machine. My machine is currently out, but
Speaker 3: you know, Kevin does a lot of this work here. Wait,
Speaker 3: you mean to.
Speaker 1: Tell me after the logo debacle you're still doing the.
Speaker 9: Absolutely that's how all good things stuck and it wasn't.
Speaker 6: I want to see that.
Speaker 1: I want to see that that logo.
Speaker 3: I just I just was looking through my pictures and
Speaker 3: found it and I sent it to Sarah. It is,
Speaker 3: that's the original logo. Everything's conceptualized, and then this machine
Speaker 3: poops it out and we turned it into a putter.
Speaker 3: It's pretty sweet. The rest of this stuff is all
Speaker 3: actual production manufacturing. These machines right here are like bitty
Speaker 3: tiny little versions of that. This is actually a five acciacy.
Speaker 3: And see, these little guys enabled us to go from
Speaker 3: when you first met Bill to actually being able to
Speaker 3: produce these somewhat consistently. So, I mean, you remember you
Speaker 3: were there in the early days, right when you get
Speaker 3: putters and somebody all kind of felt a little different. Yes,
Speaker 3: you know, even though they were supposed to basically be
Speaker 3: the same. This one's heavy and this one's light and whatever.
Speaker 3: It's because that where we located the hole. If you
Speaker 3: miss it, by a ten thousands of an inch. The
Speaker 3: putter's going to be twenty or thirty grams lighter or heavier,
Speaker 3: depending upon what we need in order to get a balance.
Speaker 3: When we found these things and enabled us to drill
Speaker 3: holes precise enough to actually start making them consistently and fast,
Speaker 3: so that was that was a very very big deal
Speaker 3: for us. So this is another five actis cy and
Speaker 3: C machine.
Speaker 6: So you you could steal only make one club at
Speaker 6: a time.
Speaker 3: So this machine here is so big and you can
Speaker 3: see like we can load in you know, fifty me's heads,
Speaker 3: so we don't actually we're not actually milling the heads here. Okay,
Speaker 3: different machine shop about an hour south here. Okay, when
Speaker 3: it's time to drill the holes per lying or whatever,
Speaker 3: they can load that up with forty hostles all to
Speaker 3: be drilled at sixty nine and chips ships and then
Speaker 3: you know does it. So no, they're not drilled one
Speaker 3: at a time like they used to be. But yeah,
Speaker 3: over on those other machines, they were you'd have to
Speaker 3: screw get one going, you know, get it started drilling,
Speaker 3: and then you screw the next one on, and then
Speaker 3: you move that one off when the other one's done.
Speaker 3: I mean it was. It's crazy, amazing, amazing. This room
Speaker 3: is really fun. Sorry, guys, I have a tour coming through. Uh,
Speaker 3: don't worry about us. We're just showing them the st
Speaker 3: This is how all the markings on the putters get made.
Speaker 3: I've seen it a million times. So yeah, check that
Speaker 3: out behind the screen glass here they're all I got
Speaker 3: a question. That's it. That's uh, that just that's how
Speaker 3: we do all the markings. It's not painful, it's not
Speaker 3: milld on there. It's literally burnt with a laser beam.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's what I loved.
Speaker 3: And I saw the broomstick has broomstick that was just
Speaker 3: a second ago.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, okay, and you get so many different
Speaker 1: options now.
Speaker 3: Of this piece is cool. I like this one. Here
Speaker 3: are you about to burn these? Okay? So right now
Speaker 3: that's doing all of the all these okay, like literally
Speaker 3: melting the metal. It's burning these on there. And then
Speaker 3: we get into the production room. Let's see if Greg
Speaker 3: is back here. Greg controls the flow of this entire floor.
Speaker 3: So every single order that comes in, you know, there's
Speaker 3: different ones that need to get made at different times,
Speaker 3: different speeds, with different builders and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So he manages everything down here. What sucks about that
Speaker 3: is that he spent so much time figuring out who
Speaker 3: should build what that he doesn't get to build anymore
Speaker 3: despite being definitely the best builder in the building.
Speaker 6: And what was your background? Where did you come from?
Speaker 3: Oh? This is greatired?
Speaker 6: Oh is that right?
Speaker 1: So you weren't running factories? You were running yeah stuff.
Speaker 1: There's a new movie coming out. I just saw a
Speaker 1: preview called Sing Sing. It's it takes place at Sing
Speaker 1: Sing and it's about the r TA, which is the rehabilitation.
Speaker 6: Through the arts. Phenomenal, don't miss.
Speaker 3: That was pretty much what he did. He was all
Speaker 3: about arts. He was constantly working with the inmates and
Speaker 3: drawing pictures. And yeah, we had to like acting tag too.
Speaker 3: There had to be there was some untraining that had
Speaker 3: to happen, like, for instance, like you know, when some
Speaker 3: of the guys wouldn't build potters properly, he would beat them.
Speaker 3: The show. We had had some major complaints about that.
Speaker 6: So how did you find your way to this? Well,
Speaker 6: you were retired.
Speaker 3: I was retired. He's working in a casino.
Speaker 6: That's a look at control.
Speaker 3: Just bord to death with him. Scroll through Craigslist job
Speaker 3: listings and really solid ad for a club builder.
Speaker 6: So and were you a golfer?
Speaker 3: I have golf my entire life, just not out of
Speaker 3: nowhere near Avid or any good.
Speaker 6: But you've been playing your whole life?
Speaker 1: And were you a club geek or just just played
Speaker 1: golf and didn't get my clubs?
Speaker 3: Big Berthas from early two thousands. Oh wow, Sam, he
Speaker 3: knows he can have whatever he wants, but uh, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't get out there, and I literally maybe play
Speaker 3: three times a year or so.
Speaker 6: Most golf instructors are the same thing.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it when I did it out there. It's
Speaker 3: just times in suiting, kind of busy. He's also like
Speaker 3: ridiculously clutch when he does get out and play like
Speaker 3: we do these company scrambles. We had a putting contest.
Speaker 3: The dude has an uncanny ability to show up. And
Speaker 3: I assume you probably don't play as much because then
Speaker 3: your odds are going to get reduced as ab how
Speaker 3: often as clutch. But yeah, Gregs and man, he runs
Speaker 3: the whole show down here and it's great.
Speaker 6: To meet you.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, Yes, sir, let's keep that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gregs and many yeah, I mean, I mean he
Speaker 3: literally was like hired to do half a U was
Speaker 3: part time employee. He just wanted to come into shafts
Speaker 3: and putters and then like now like runs show. So yeah,
Speaker 3: so every every putter ends up with a bill sheet.
Speaker 3: So the order comes in and each one of these
Speaker 3: steps has to be done by one of these folks.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a big long assembly line. There's so
Speaker 3: many customer options, so many different things that need to
Speaker 3: be done, and yeah, everybody's gonna sign off on their
Speaker 3: particular you know, part of the whole build here. And
Speaker 3: and it's more than anybody in the business does as
Speaker 3: far as the amount of options that we offer. And
Speaker 3: lately we're doing a pretty pretty bang up job of
Speaker 3: getting it right every time.
Speaker 6: And so then let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing I'm looking at the DF three heads here,
Speaker 1: the bottoms of them, and it looks like the holes
Speaker 1: are all in the same place.
Speaker 3: Yep, And the holes are always in the same place.
Speaker 1: What differentiates each one of those it's.
Speaker 3: What goes in the holes. So depending upon the lie,
Speaker 3: the length, the grip, the amount of shafting armlocked roomstick,
Speaker 3: all these things, they're all going to take different configurations.
Speaker 3: This one. This one you can tell by the number
Speaker 3: of holes. These are all either broomsticks or armlocks because
Speaker 3: they got twice as many holes in them as the
Speaker 3: other one, because we need the extra room to get
Speaker 3: more weight in it. So yeah, so after every putter's
Speaker 3: built now it goes through a very stringing QC process.
Speaker 3: So all these tables are out here are just to
Speaker 3: check putters. That's it.
Speaker 6: Everyone that goes out.
Speaker 3: Every single putter goes through actually multiple people because you know,
Speaker 3: we had, like when we started doing really high volume,
Speaker 3: the monotony of going that we're starting to miss some stuff.
Speaker 3: So now two people need to check it and cross
Speaker 3: check each other.
Speaker 5: And so how many people do you have doing QC
Speaker 5: on everyone?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. How many QC How many the
Speaker 3: biggest QC department right now.
Speaker 10: I would say about.
Speaker 3: About twelve twelve folks.
Speaker 6: And each putter sees how many people? Not all twelve.
Speaker 3: No, each putter does not see twelve QC people. It
Speaker 3: will see two.
Speaker 6: It will see two, so check, recheck.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, just to make sure you've got two eyes
Speaker 3: on it. But yeah, there's a million different data points
Speaker 3: on each one. This one's pretty chill. This is a
Speaker 3: wholesale stock putter that still has you know, X number
Speaker 3: of data points that need to get checked. This is
Speaker 3: where it gets screwed too. There's so many sitelines and everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the sitelines they need to make.
Speaker 3: The one that they picked is the one that's actually
Speaker 3: on it. It's a huge, huge process, and that's why
Speaker 3: they're so expensive. Just on straight labor of a putter,
Speaker 3: I would have to assume we need six seven times
Speaker 3: the labor forced to produce the same number of putters
Speaker 3: as a competitor, you know, I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 3: huge thing. You know. In consequently, we just have to
Speaker 3: run and run the business a little different. We don't
Speaker 3: can't pay tour players millions of dollars. We can't pay
Speaker 3: them anything, you know, we need.
Speaker 1: That to And that's okay because they don't pay for
Speaker 1: butters anyway, right, So, but if they use it, that's
Speaker 1: an even bigger endorsement if you're not paying for them.
Speaker 1: I would think that if they're using it without being paid,
Speaker 1: that's a greater endorsement.
Speaker 3: Than it is, except that it's a relative to the
Speaker 3: total size of the golf community, it's this pretty small
Speaker 3: number of people that notice your people notice golf to
Speaker 3: beer ax, people notice my golf spite. People have noticed,
Speaker 3: but like you know, the general golfing population at large
Speaker 3: is ready for you know, John Rahm to say, hey,
Speaker 3: look at my new lab putters, you know, something like that,
Speaker 3: and it's just not gonna happen, and.
Speaker 6: Like for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: So it's going yea, and even Phil Mickelson's using it now,
Speaker 1: I don't even say that anymore. And it's like after
Speaker 1: his couple of his performance, like we'll talk about Willis
Speaker 1: Allergi bress I spoke with him.
Speaker 3: How did that two weeks ago?
Speaker 6: How did it happens? He went because he was always.
Speaker 3: That blade Oh yeah, heways, he always but he's always
Speaker 3: looking for an edge. I mean he's used some funny
Speaker 3: putters over the years. He used the original Scottie Cameron Futura,
Speaker 3: remember that the huge thing with the holes down that
Speaker 3: that like striped it. Yeah, he used to use one
Speaker 3: of those. I think in two actually made one of
Speaker 3: the greatest putts I've ever seen. He made one from
Speaker 3: the very front left of the number two green at
Speaker 3: Augusta to the all the way back right flagged like
Speaker 3: a ninety foot putt that broke about sixty feet.
Speaker 6: As good as they are, that's luck, of course, as
Speaker 6: good as they are.
Speaker 3: Most of the time. He uses Little ladyto two style
Speaker 3: blade and but he he golfs with one of the
Speaker 3: ducks kids. Oh really, And and then two other guys
Speaker 3: at his place in San Diego. And those two guys
Speaker 3: have been using the big one. He apparently has been
Speaker 3: giving them ship for using the big one for three years.
Speaker 3: Then they got DF three and he's like, let me
Speaker 3: try that. He putted one round right handed, one handed
Speaker 3: with one of theirs. Wow, And then got in touch
Speaker 3: with the ducks kid. The Ducks kid called Liam. Liam
Speaker 3: called me and we had for like three exchanges. It
Speaker 3: was like Phil to Matt, Matt to Liam, Liam to me,
Speaker 3: Me to Liam, Liam to Matt, Matt to Fill. I'm like,
Speaker 3: can somebody please just give me a number? Yes? So yeah,
Speaker 3: we talked and and he's great. We've spent some time.
Speaker 3: I went down to his place in San Diego and
Speaker 3: worked on him some more. And he is so smart
Speaker 3: and he is the most intelligent golfer that's ever lived.
Speaker 3: And it's just really, it's not close. It's not close.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's there's explain intelligent.
Speaker 3: There isn't an aspect of any single shot struck ever
Speaker 3: that he hasn't considered to the nth degree. That's a
Speaker 3: good example. He talked about how so most people don't
Speaker 3: like fade putts, you know, like right handers don't like
Speaker 3: a left to right putt. No, generally we miss it low.
Speaker 3: So to give himself a bigger margin of error, he
Speaker 3: will lean the shaft away from the target, away from
Speaker 3: his line, basically adding effectively adding loft to the putt.
Speaker 3: So that because most of us what we do is
Speaker 3: we take it back and then we push it down
Speaker 3: towards the hole rather than you know, keeping it up
Speaker 3: left of the hole like we should. So when he
Speaker 3: pushes it, he's generally dragging the handle. So if he's
Speaker 3: takes it back and has that impulse that we all
Speaker 3: have to kind of push it at the hole, he
Speaker 3: drags the handle and because he had the shaft leaning back,
Speaker 3: now he's delofted the potter, so it comes off hotter
Speaker 3: on the on the tighter line. And then if he
Speaker 3: doesn't do that, the extra loft slowed it down so
Speaker 3: that it you know, gets the top side of the
Speaker 3: break or the bottom side of the brake, and he
Speaker 3: just gives himself. I mean, like, what a crazy thing
Speaker 3: to consider. Yeah, And and we actually got the first
Speaker 3: time we got to talking, was talking about what I
Speaker 3: considered to be one of the best putts hit in
Speaker 3: in competition history. So I'm a seventy first hole at
Speaker 3: the PGA Championship at Kiowa where he won. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you remember, but he inexplicably had been putting convention.
Speaker 3: He he had his tiny little blade that he was
Speaker 3: using all week and inexplicably went to the claw on
Speaker 3: this four foot or for par that he had. And
Speaker 3: you know, the announcers are like, oh, he must have
Speaker 3: been nervous and thought it was going to be the
Speaker 3: yips or this or that, and I knew different. I
Speaker 3: knew that that wasn't the reason. And then a couple
Speaker 3: of years later, I was out in Chicago at the
Speaker 3: live event and he was talking with you hanging out
Speaker 3: your car, and I was just kind of listening in
Speaker 3: he brought that put up and he saw me kind
Speaker 3: of perk up, and he was like, you know that putt,
Speaker 3: And I was like, I definitely know that. But and
Speaker 3: the reasoning was that the ball had come to rest
Speaker 3: in like a tiny little depression, and when he grips
Speaker 3: it with the claw, the putter has more loft on
Speaker 3: it at impact, and so he utilized the claw to
Speaker 3: get it to rise up out of that tiny little
Speaker 3: depression rather than if it had hit it could have
Speaker 3: scort it in any different direction or whatever. And to
Speaker 3: have the presence of mind, you know, I mean, the
Speaker 3: rest of the world in that position, you know, with
Speaker 3: a four foot or to you know, maintain a one
Speaker 3: shot lead going into the last hole of a major championship,
Speaker 3: was just like, don't screw up, don't screw up, don't
Speaker 3: screw up, don't grew up. Exactly, That's what I'm thinking, right,
Speaker 3: And he's thinking like, huh, that balls in a little hole.
Speaker 3: I wonder how I can deal with that. I mean,
Speaker 3: just the presence of mind and the understanding of what
Speaker 3: it is, you know, that it's happening in a given moment,
Speaker 3: how to make that putt. I mean, it's just mind.
Speaker 6: Blow amazing, just totally mind blow amazing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and then uh, this is you know, finally
Speaker 3: sit these are armlocks, right, counterbalance, So this this is
Speaker 3: a putter. That's you know, kind of gripped like that.
Speaker 5: That's a I've not seen it.
Speaker 3: With jail bird Madness. You know, those were all like Rickey,
Speaker 3: Fowler and Window. They were all using dis exact grip
Speaker 3: seventeen gript. The grip it down just a little, a
Speaker 3: little weight above the hands, and theory sort of lowers
Speaker 3: the access point. Okay, it's a nice feel. I like
Speaker 3: it interesting. I don't love it, but I like it.
Speaker 3: I don't love it with on you know, with that
Speaker 3: much onset is on the DF three. But but they're good. Yes,
Speaker 3: so we did a big loop if you're able to tell,
Speaker 3: that was the R and D space. But yeah, once
Speaker 3: they're all bagged and tagged and we know where they're going,
Speaker 3: and then we get ready to ship them. This is
Speaker 3: just all raw materials in here, grip shafts, headcovers, all
Speaker 3: that stuff. And we actually have another i think ten
Speaker 3: thousand feet somewhere off site to store everything. And you
Speaker 3: don't think about.
Speaker 6: It, but like somebody's got to do the inventory.
Speaker 3: Fifty thousand headcovers takes up a lot of room, yes,
Speaker 3: but yeah, then they get or yeah, or even just
Speaker 3: boxes on something. We never really considered that an empty
Speaker 3: box takes up space. So then yeah, this is the
Speaker 3: shipping department here, which already needs to expand probably have
Speaker 3: to go that way.
Speaker 5: And do we know what we're how many shipping a week?
Speaker 8: Right now?
Speaker 3: Our best month ever? We shipped a little over fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand putters?
Speaker 6: Wow? And what month was that? Was that the month
Speaker 6: after Lucas?
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, this year? Really? Yeah? Yeah, no, it's
Speaker 3: been exponential since Lucas when we had our first podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we were stoked if we shipp three hundred pos in
Speaker 3: a month. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I want you to meet Adam.
Speaker 3: Adam will remember Adam? Do you remember shipping putters to
Speaker 3: a young zeb Perez?
Speaker 1: Hello, So sir, it is a pleasure to see you.
Speaker 8: Pleasures on month, Sir.
Speaker 3: Adam's I have been with us for a long time
Speaker 3: as well. He he and I also worked together over
Speaker 3: at the Bar. I mentioned, you know, with Gavin and.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, did you get COVID to that Christmas party
Speaker 1: to remember our super Spreader events interview just after that
Speaker 1: and you're telling you like, oh, I had a combined.
Speaker 3: Company by bar and the lab people all have the
Speaker 3: company Christmas party at the arcade and one person had COVID,
Speaker 3: So both of my both of my two businesses were
Speaker 3: down for the count.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Adam's been with us forever and he uh, he's
Speaker 3: definitely shipped a lot of your putters. He was, he was.
Speaker 3: Everything that is going on in here was all just him.
Speaker 3: There was nobody else doing that and in q including
Speaker 3: q C. Yes. Wow, So I mean he was kissing,
Speaker 3: shipping and receiving every single package that we had.
Speaker 1: So does it make your life easier that you have
Speaker 1: this large of a staff because now you have to
Speaker 1: manage everybody?
Speaker 3: Or oh no, having good having good people is the
Speaker 3: key to an easy life here. Yep. Just making sure
Speaker 3: you manage and train your crew appropriately. They do all
Speaker 3: the work.
Speaker 4: For you, make you look like a rock star, and
Speaker 4: it just leaves you room to take care of them
Speaker 4: and make them feel like a loving family.
Speaker 6: So is that the culture here? Is that? What comes
Speaker 6: from here? Is how the culture is?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 3: That's those are our company values love, unity and curiosity.
Speaker 6: Unity and curiosity.
Speaker 5: That's awesome, we think so not on the box, but.
Speaker 6: So that's great.
Speaker 3: Any curiosity. It was like company values again, a mission
Speaker 3: statement all right, let's get out of everybody's hair and
Speaker 3: hair well.
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