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<v Speaker 1>Hey, listen, Commanders Who Got Podcast Episode four eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm brand O, here's Ryan and I We're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the band. Listen another game changing changes now are

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<v Speaker 1>hey Ryan, We're back for yet another whirlwind adventure. How

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<v Speaker 1>you do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh baby? Good? What is going down?

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<v Speaker 1>The whole ton is going down. We got some very exciting, slash, interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>slash kind of soft news from the Rules Advisory Committee.

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<v Speaker 2>Board, Commander Format Panel, the CFP.

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<v Speaker 3>THEFF, the KUFF straight off the kuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They have already ruled for the year with a asterix

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<v Speaker 1>on it. We're gonna talk about that later on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got some stories to tell, some people to thank.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get to any of that stuff, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to thank reficial business daddies Fusion Gaming Online dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>They are your source for all your gaming needs where

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<v Speaker 1>you can use the new CEO promo code which is

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<v Speaker 1>CECO Nation. That's it. It's pretty easy, CECO Nation, easy

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<v Speaker 1>to remember, and you can save five percent off all

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<v Speaker 1>of the game changing game changes that you're gonna want.

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<v Speaker 2>To buy now, oh baby, because you're gonna wanna.

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<v Speaker 1>All the things taken off of the game Changer's list

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<v Speaker 1>that you're really really gonna wanna buy that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna need a discount.

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<v Speaker 1>On and maybe some of those dastardly, dastardly new game changers.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna buy those, or maybe some of the unbanned

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<v Speaker 1>cards too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I am so frickin pumped about the cards

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<v Speaker 2>that got unbanned. Oh it's gonna be awesome. But we

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<v Speaker 2>gotta thank Pile of Bones Brewing Code. They are the

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<v Speaker 2>official sponsor of.

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<v Speaker 1>C CEO Side season three. Now looking for applicants for

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<v Speaker 1>the May episode, which will air soon right here on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there you go, and bonus point if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon supporter over at patreon dot com. Slash CCO podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I think thus far this year we've had all patrons

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<v Speaker 2>from different cities, different provinces, different countries on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can tell you this, as of our most

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<v Speaker 2>recent recording, I finally do have the audio issues figured out.

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<v Speaker 1>We are sorry, editor, Tyler, I didn't know that was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>So that Tyler, you're a fine person.

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<v Speaker 2>He's fine. Yeah, yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Helps out lots of me to our streams.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah yeah, he just bugs me. He just beaks

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<v Speaker 3>me the whole time, beating sometimes I'm not even.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, and sometimes he helps us out. It's like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell is this? And then he like looks

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<v Speaker 1>it up for us and then we oh, cool, very good. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good man to have around anytime he is around.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, very much. We appreciate producer Gary and him

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<v Speaker 2>letting us be here taking up all his time when

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<v Speaker 2>he's actually busy. Today at the Dufferin Avenue Media Network Studio, Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Studio, Studio Network Studio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, very much, so happy to be here, happy to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about game changers, happy to say that right after

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<v Speaker 2>this recording, you're good friend Ryan, Uncle Brando, we are

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<v Speaker 2>freakin' booking the CEO Experience Las Vegas House. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get the tabs out of my browser. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get it all up onto the CECO website for

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<v Speaker 2>the patrons that'll be joining us there. Big shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to you if you reached out and said, hey, do

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<v Speaker 2>I have to freaking pay for this thinking that you

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<v Speaker 2>missed it? But you haven't missed it yet because I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't done it.

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<v Speaker 1>But we will be doing it in the next call

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<v Speaker 1>it hour and fifteen minutes, Yes, sir, because that gives

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<v Speaker 1>us an hour to record the show, yes sir, and

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<v Speaker 1>then fifteen minutes to actually get the job done. Five

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<v Speaker 1>of those minutes will be actually work, and it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>fucking around most likely.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and when that happens, you'll be the patrons that

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<v Speaker 2>are coming, will be the first to get a look

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<v Speaker 2>at the new merch, what the new shirts look like,

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<v Speaker 2>what the Ceco experience stuff looks like. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>the patrons after all of that gets created, will be

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<v Speaker 2>the first to hear about it and see it and

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<v Speaker 2>the first to get a discount on it at at

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<v Speaker 2>Commander Couco dot com. Yeah, so that's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>benefits becoming a patron. So fricking do it, because we

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<v Speaker 2>would love the support now that we've got to do

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<v Speaker 2>everything ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And I miss Joe. Although it did give me an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to see if I can draw with a mouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet I thought, maybe after all these years of not

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<v Speaker 1>doing it, maybe I just became good at it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm shaking my head. You'd know if you're watching on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Which it should be, and you're going to see some

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<v Speaker 1>of my artwork. Again, if you're watching on YouTube, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna see some some original brandos pop up Oh Brand Originals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I didn't know that I was going to say

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<v Speaker 2>that when I started saying that. But we did get there.

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<v Speaker 2>You did get I do have to have one more

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<v Speaker 2>thing to say. Oh shit, not deserted temple a. You

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<v Speaker 2>got there. Shout out to editor Joe. Yeah, okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>las thing. I didn't even tell you this before we started,

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<v Speaker 2>but I see it in my notes. I started the

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Pineff original original playmat and sleeve art, and it

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<v Speaker 2>looks fricking better. I thought it was going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course it does. You probably thought it was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>look like shit because you don't take any into account

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<v Speaker 1>that you're a very talented artist and you have no

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<v Speaker 1>self confidence, whereas I'm very confident, and the member of

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<v Speaker 1>the nations all think that you were gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>great job. And now we're not surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks so good, that the color is so nice,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm tweaking up the design a little bit, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>still like it. It's still something you like.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a dinosaur in a bubble helmet?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe shut up Berno?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, is it actually doesn't actually have a dinosaur in

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<v Speaker 1>a bubble helmet?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>This is very exciting. It's so very exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>Like everything else. Our members in our discord that are

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<v Speaker 2>our Patreon supporters would be the first to see that

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<v Speaker 2>and get all the details when that Kickstarter stuff goes live,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm shooting for Vegas because I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>tell people and show people and showcase like the art

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<v Speaker 2>and the sleeves and the play mat and stuff like,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's just on my fricking phone, I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to show that off in Vegas in June when

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<v Speaker 2>the Kickstarter is live, to kind of like give it

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<v Speaker 2>some momentum. That's good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that momentum is always good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the unless unless you're getting hit by like

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<v Speaker 2>a bus.

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<v Speaker 1>What if you're the one here.

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<v Speaker 2>Momentum is always good unless it's freaking unbans or bands.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah that was remember remember last September and

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<v Speaker 2>then the rollout of the bracket matchmaking system, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think was good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now we've got our first update the bracket system.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry I jumped right into it. Do not changing really

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<v Speaker 2>some verbiage on like the graphics that they show people.

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<v Speaker 2>They've changed a couple of words.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not talking about that The first thing we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about today, baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbans. There is unbands.

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<v Speaker 1>They're free, free, these cards are free. They were banned

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<v Speaker 1>and now they are unbanned. We had all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>things to say about them. Last week. We made our

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<v Speaker 1>predictions about what would and would not be unbanned.

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<v Speaker 2>Who did you predict? I know that I said Coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been saying Coalition victory for months.

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<v Speaker 1>I said Bio Rhythm and Jeweled Lotus. And I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised if Primetime came off. Oh I don't count

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<v Speaker 1>that one necessarily as a prediction. Yeah, be surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what they they gave me unbanned that I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even know I wanted. They unbanned things that I

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<v Speaker 2>thought were gonna be banned as fuck forever forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I thought so too. And we're gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about that when we get to those cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, are we getting to it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What is what's the first card? This card? In

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<v Speaker 1>so ways, so many ways. Oh, for the record, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're watch it on YouTube and you want to pick

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<v Speaker 1>up any of these cards as of the printing date,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at the show and the cards on

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<v Speaker 1>the screen. I have put the cheapest available printing of

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<v Speaker 1>each card as of this moment on the show right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so this is the Jasis Spellbook version of Gifts

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<v Speaker 2>on given.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is the least expensive if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>play a Gifts Ungiven in your deck and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to play an Intuition, which was never banned, although

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same card essentially and costs approximately one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>percent more money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know what the other thing about Intuition

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<v Speaker 2>is is they unbanned and put onto the Game Changer's list.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it works. When you get unbanned, you put

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<v Speaker 2>on a game changer list. It's not just free for

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<v Speaker 2>all jerk off. You can put it in any deck. No,

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<v Speaker 2>they got to be on the game Changers list. That's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons that the Game Changers List went

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<v Speaker 2>up by five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyways, the thing about Intuition older I think reserved list. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>probably it is same card. So why why shouldn't Gifts

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<v Speaker 2>Ungiven be u banned?

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<v Speaker 1>It has I think this is just me.

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<v Speaker 2>Spit hold on because I know that I know that

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<v Speaker 2>people on the internet could get mad at me calling

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<v Speaker 2>them the same card. I know that they're not the

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<v Speaker 2>same fucking card. I know that, but they do a

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<v Speaker 2>very similar thing and are used in the same kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of decks to find the same sort of redundancies or tricks,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, And uh, I'm gonna give it a read.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, Okay, I'm gonna give it a read.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it blue three?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this card is an instant. This card's instant. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So search your library for up to four cards with

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<v Speaker 2>different names and reveal them. Target opponent chooses two of

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<v Speaker 2>those cards, put the chosen cards into your g yard

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest into your hand. Yes, so almost every

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<v Speaker 2>line of text on this card makes it good. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's type and manic coost line, it only has one

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<v Speaker 2>blue pip yep, it's easily splashed, its name and manic

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<v Speaker 2>cost easily splashable, easy to cast because one Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>an instant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The first line says up to four cards, yes, so

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<v Speaker 2>you could find two and then it just go to

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<v Speaker 2>the bin. And then I target an opponent, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to choose some schmuck to fucking make a wrong decision,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the two cards that they choose go to

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<v Speaker 2>the bin. And if I just searched for two or

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<v Speaker 2>only three or four like that. All has different ramifications

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<v Speaker 2>on their choice and what I chose originally.

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<v Speaker 1>And what you find is the things you want in

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<v Speaker 1>ways to get them. That's typically what you'll find with Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>given and intuition, which we'll talk about later on in

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<v Speaker 1>the show, probably more truncatedly, because everything that we say

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<v Speaker 1>about gifts and given, we're gonna say about intuition.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The one different thing with gifts is it's you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to find a specified number of cards. It's up

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<v Speaker 1>to four, you can find four, you can find none,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas if you have to find three in with intuition.

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<v Speaker 2>Stirs in what world do I find zero cards with gifts? Ungiven?

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<v Speaker 1>When you're just trying to commit a crime, all you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do is get your target.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, a storm count storm count with my library

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<v Speaker 2>being empty, yes, or just.

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<v Speaker 1>One card left in it and you want to shuffle

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<v Speaker 1>because you think it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's a reason or a storm count. But I

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<v Speaker 2>need an extra turn. I'm gonna storm next turn. I

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<v Speaker 2>I've got I've got two kind of scenarios with gifts

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<v Speaker 2>that I would like to highlight. Okay, the first one

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<v Speaker 2>is this hypothetical world where I gifts on turn three

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<v Speaker 2>or four and I search, and I've got creatures on

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<v Speaker 2>the battlefield, and I search for Dread Return and some

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<v Speaker 2>big fatty I have no business playing on turn three

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<v Speaker 2>and I just search for those two they immediately give bind.

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<v Speaker 2>I sack my three things, cast d red Return for free,

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<v Speaker 2>and get my thing back, and you do and gifts

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<v Speaker 2>U given turns into tomb and reanimate. Yeah, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>as if I can't search for my combo piece and

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<v Speaker 2>the other piece of my combo and two graveyard getterbackers

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<v Speaker 2>like Regrowth and its friend Regrowth. Yeah, like, as if

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't do that, and that wasn't powerful enough, that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't good enough. As if in Moldrotha, I couldn't search

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<v Speaker 2>for four different card types. And there's things that you

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<v Speaker 2>want anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of them are in your hand where you want them,

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<v Speaker 1>and or in your other hand where you want them anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Got this card every way you slice it. This card

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<v Speaker 2>is fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine you cast your twenty five point Genesis

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<v Speaker 2>wave and you go cards in hand and I go, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck one, you go okay, Genesis Wave for twenty. I

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<v Speaker 2>go gifts on given and then I'm tapped out and

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<v Speaker 2>I search for freaking Pact and negation packed of force

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<v Speaker 2>of will, fierce Guardianship. I search for four free counter spells. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just counter your sh yet and I still

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<v Speaker 2>have a free counter smell on my fucking hand After that,

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<v Speaker 2>all this card is so good. I'm so happy. Are

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna play this card at any decks?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I don't play the decks that it goes in.

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<v Speaker 1>I am the decks that I play that it would

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<v Speaker 1>go in doesn't have blue, So no, not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>The deck that this card's going in already has intuition.

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<v Speaker 2>I got two fuck h cards an instant.

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<v Speaker 1>It is let's see the next card one, let's se

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<v Speaker 1>let's see the next one. There this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Who had this on their Bengal card.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly thought that this one would stay banned just

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<v Speaker 1>because why did why not? I think they just unbanned

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<v Speaker 1>it to unban it. World Fire Stars, World Fires unbanned

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<v Speaker 1>Sway of the Stars now on banned as unbanned. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a sorcery for blue Blue fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight might as well be blue blue eighty six or

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<v Speaker 2>blue blue nothing, because it doesn't it doesn't matter. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna cast it, you're gonna cast it exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You shuffle your hands, your graveyard and all your permanence

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<v Speaker 1>into your library draws seven, your life total becomes seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody does that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's shitty. World Fire is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I loved the reasoning from Gavin's article because,

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<v Speaker 2>like I read through the whole thing and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>people who like this kind of spell and play World Fire,

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<v Speaker 2>now they have another thing that if Sway the Stars happens,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make me feel as bad as Worldfire because

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<v Speaker 2>probably I don't lose right there, and I have this chance.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the thing. I've played magic for twenty some years,

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<v Speaker 2>and so of you, Yeah, guarantee you'd never sway to

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<v Speaker 2>the start, sways sway of the started, not one time.

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<v Speaker 2>You've never swayed. No, you've never starred.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I've upheevled, never swayed.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe maybe before we die, maybe we'd like to sway.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, never once.

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<v Speaker 2>No I want to sway.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just play World Fire. It's red.

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<v Speaker 2>It's better I'll play sway it's blue, and we'll do

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<v Speaker 2>the thing like that. Whereas Walder book where the fire

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<v Speaker 2>major is shooting fire and the water major is shooting

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<v Speaker 2>water and their streams are hitting the stream.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the only time I ca compete with you with stream.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the only time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, garden hose versus one of those little droppers.

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<v Speaker 2>A bendy straw. Yes, I'm the bendy straw. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Sway the stars, man, I hear what else I would

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<v Speaker 2>have to say about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna see so little play, I would say, sway

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<v Speaker 1>the star is going to see so little play anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>that it's just one of those cars that who cares.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, intuition, very play, sway very not play, very no

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<v Speaker 2>play Okay, exact pushber braids.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Lots of people I saw were pretty hard about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh braids. I can't wait to braids everybody on turn

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<v Speaker 1>one and make everybody scoop. And that's why this doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really impact anything. She's gonna go in the ninety nine deck,

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<v Speaker 1>in the ninety nine of the deck that already does

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<v Speaker 1>what she does, which is turgrad, and she's fine there

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what that deck's doing and everybody knows that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just at the helm of the deck.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this might be a hot take. There isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a fair Braids. You can't say, oh, no, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the Braids, because yes, it is. Every Braid's deck is

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<v Speaker 1>that Braids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll ask you. Do you play sol ring in

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<v Speaker 2>your Braid's deck, because if you go Swamp soul Ring

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<v Speaker 2>turn one, Swamp Braids turn two, you're that deck, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't, even if you think that you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you then you just have to maintain one permanent

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<v Speaker 1>coming into play every turn, and you can kill your

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<v Speaker 1>opponents with a two to two in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most miserable games they'll ever play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think it's kind of funny that that Braids

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<v Speaker 2>and tur Grid are not the same deck, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>both mono black commanders that are on the game changers

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<v Speaker 2>list for what I would call the same reason. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a similar reason you have miserable games that remove your

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<v Speaker 2>opponents agency. And like tur Grid, she's the helm of

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<v Speaker 2>the deck and everybody knows that or she ain't. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's like turn seven, Braids is not anything to worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I would be more worried if somebody dropped

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<v Speaker 2>a turn three, four, five, six seven Fleshbag marauder. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>then a Braid's because it's like, oh, that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>impact me right now, and maybe they're going to sack it,

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<v Speaker 2>reanimate it or blanket or flicker it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right with flesh bag. I just played fricking Merciless Executioner

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<v Speaker 2>last night in a pre con and it did more

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<v Speaker 2>work than a Braid's would it did? Yeah, in my

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<v Speaker 2>Lord of the Ring, Salaron back, guys, because.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to remember, braids gives the opponent the choice,

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<v Speaker 1>and the opponent will never choose the thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>want ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if they only have one thing, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to prioritize removal and then removal again and removal again,

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<v Speaker 2>and like this is it's off. It's it's off the

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<v Speaker 2>band list because it's not going to be the problem

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<v Speaker 2>that you think it is. And if it is because

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<v Speaker 2>somebody in your playgroup or in the wild built the

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<v Speaker 2>Braid's deck, even if it's unintentional, we have other tools

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<v Speaker 2>like talking to people before the game starts and says, oh, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>that's your commander.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, I don't want to do that I'm playing a

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<v Speaker 3>deck that has no removal. It's super casual.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this is my game, or I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to change decks or can you change decks. There's all

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<v Speaker 2>these scenarios that make it not a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they say absolutely not, I'm only playing Braids

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what I'm doing, then you have the option

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<v Speaker 1>to just fucking beat and that guy can sit there

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<v Speaker 1>by himself pound in his pot, and that's what's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bet you Braids comes off the Game Changer list,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, and just goes into gen Pop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gen Pop.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that, Like if Turgrid is the.

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<v Speaker 2>There's our new graphic look.

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<v Speaker 1>At eh oh, that's fun. I think that Braids is

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<v Speaker 1>just She's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Nation, pick up your Braids is I don't think she's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the most expensive game Changer edition of

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<v Speaker 2>the uh not of the list today. That's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>Champions of Camagawa Foils from of.

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<v Speaker 3>Gifts and given that's gonna be the most expensive card

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<v Speaker 3>probably right, Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Next card Coalition Victory. I think I think you called it.

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<v Speaker 1>I said that you were right, So I'm counting it

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<v Speaker 1>as a half point for myself, our winner of the

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<v Speaker 1>boost Back game, and the pre show also said that

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<v Speaker 1>they were hoping this one came off. Yeah, lots of

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<v Speaker 1>people are excited about this. We've gone on ad no

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<v Speaker 1>you about why this is totally fine to come off

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<v Speaker 1>the band last. Here it is, We got it. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna jam it into every multi color deck you play,

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<v Speaker 1>every five color deck that you play, just so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can fucking win immediately?

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<v Speaker 2>Won't? Have you ever heard of terror terminate doom Blade?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Because this checks on resolution yep. So if I

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<v Speaker 2>spend five mana probably or more for my five mata commander, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I spent eight mana, that's at least thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>And I still have to have said commander when this resolves,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I don't, I've spent thirteen to do fucking

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<v Speaker 2>nothing is nothing? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>If you used it in Child of a Lara when

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<v Speaker 3>I add Naus into it, a game changed into my

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<v Speaker 3>game Changer and took eight and lost the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you went for eight and then they killed

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<v Speaker 1>the Child of a Lara and blew it. Doesn't it blow?

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<v Speaker 1>A player lands too? It was of all the non

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<v Speaker 1>land permanence. It's like Sen, you wouldn't have the five

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<v Speaker 1>colored creature or the five types, so you would just

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing. I would just have nothing. You have nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>My game would certainly have been changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes for the worst. And I again, this is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I like in Gavin's article and I'm not gonna find

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<v Speaker 2>it where he said it. But one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that they took into account is nostalgic reasons. Cards that

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<v Speaker 2>have a legacy, cards that make people feel something when

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<v Speaker 2>when they get played. And this is one for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I opened a Coalition Victory out of a booster

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<v Speaker 2>pack when I was like in grade six and I

424
00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:27.839
<v Speaker 2>still have it. Yeah, So I gotta find a placeboard.

425
00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Good Luck.

426
00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Child of Alara. That's the only place and it's

427
00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:33.960
<v Speaker 2>not going in there, So time to build another deck. Ryan,

428
00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh baby, this out of a booster too.

429
00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.240
<v Speaker 1>This is the big one. I think this is the

430
00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:41.319
<v Speaker 1>big one. I think no, I think Gifts is this

431
00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.160
<v Speaker 1>is what everybody's talking about. Gifts is the biggest, baddest

432
00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:45.680
<v Speaker 1>card that you got. But I feel like this is

433
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.400
<v Speaker 1>the one that's probably gonna have the most effect at

434
00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:49.400
<v Speaker 1>a three level.

435
00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember over the last couple months we were

436
00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.759
<v Speaker 2>playing the game like this card or this card one

437
00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:57.160
<v Speaker 2>has to get unbanned.

438
00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

439
00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.960
<v Speaker 2>If you put in the unbanned racket in the March

440
00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Madness freaking game change or unbanned bracket Panoptic Mirror and

441
00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:08.839
<v Speaker 2>Gifts ungiven, I would have snap said gifts un given

442
00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.880
<v Speaker 2>me too. And that is the most wild thing to say,

443
00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:15.400
<v Speaker 2>because that's one of the most powerful tutors in magic

444
00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the gathering, because you can search for four cards and

445
00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.039
<v Speaker 2>people are still saying no pentoptic Mirror.

446
00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, oh, and the reason that panoptic Mirror, which

447
00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:28.759
<v Speaker 1>is an artifact for five that has imprint X and

448
00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:32.200
<v Speaker 1>tap or x, is the spell that you are imprinting

449
00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:37.440
<v Speaker 1>onto its converted manecost. At the beginning of your upkeep,

450
00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:39.880
<v Speaker 1>you get to cast one of the spells that has

451
00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:42.839
<v Speaker 1>been imprinted on Panoptic Mirror. And everybody said, well, you

452
00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:44.559
<v Speaker 1>just gonna put a time warp on it, and then

453
00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you have infinite turns and you've won the game. And

454
00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:47.839
<v Speaker 1>that's true.

455
00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.160
<v Speaker 2>It's it's copy, it's not cast. I just I just

456
00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:53.400
<v Speaker 2>reread it again. Anyways, you still you get it, get it.

457
00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:55.680
<v Speaker 1>You get a time warp at the beginning of every

458
00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.200
<v Speaker 1>time warp turn giving you infinite turns meaning you've won

459
00:21:58.240 --> 00:21:58.799
<v Speaker 1>the game.

460
00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Or a wrath of God or a farewell or a balance. Oh,

461
00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:04.319
<v Speaker 2>you won't get balance.

462
00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:05.480
<v Speaker 1>That's a restore balance.

463
00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:06.839
<v Speaker 2>Restore balance.

464
00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Restore balance is balance, and you know how much it

465
00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:13.599
<v Speaker 1>costs zero So you can play Panoptic Mirror hap it

466
00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.240
<v Speaker 1>put restore balance on it. At the beginning of every

467
00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:18.000
<v Speaker 1>one of your turns, you cast.

468
00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Balance ancestral visions.

469
00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.359
<v Speaker 1>It's another one ancestral recall, yes.

470
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:27.039
<v Speaker 2>But visions correct. Yes. And the thing about this is

471
00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.480
<v Speaker 2>every one of your turns you can pay X and

472
00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.119
<v Speaker 2>exile a card to imprint it on Panoptic Mirror. So

473
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.640
<v Speaker 2>then you have like this little cachet of spells that

474
00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:39.880
<v Speaker 2>you can choose from that you can only choose one.

475
00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.319
<v Speaker 2>But let's say you do a time stretch so you

476
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.799
<v Speaker 2>get two extra turns. You only have to time stretch

477
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.440
<v Speaker 2>every second turn, so you can Panoptic Mirror something else

478
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.200
<v Speaker 2>on every other turn. Sure, like, that's great, but you

479
00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.920
<v Speaker 2>need to do that. Where I expect to see this

480
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:57.519
<v Speaker 2>card is index that are already chaining extra turns together.

481
00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Which is it just makes the game end fast, which

482
00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like most of your opponents are gonna want

483
00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:03.839
<v Speaker 1>to do when you're chaining extra turns.

484
00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:07.319
<v Speaker 2>It already it gives you extra turn chaining redundancy. So

485
00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.160
<v Speaker 2>decks are already doing that. So this already exists only

486
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.200
<v Speaker 2>in bracket probably four if we're sticking to the hard

487
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:16.519
<v Speaker 2>and fast bracket system, right, because you can't chain extra

488
00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:21.119
<v Speaker 2>turns and bracket three. Sure, sure, or it's gonna go

489
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.759
<v Speaker 2>in hard control or like decks that are trying to

490
00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.720
<v Speaker 2>be stacked decks without playing cards like Winter Urban, blood

491
00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Moon and that kind of stuff.

492
00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:30.559
<v Speaker 1>In Ista ply Winter Urb and blood Moon, they'll play fucking Armageddon.

493
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>They'll play or Wrathagod or Farewell or something like that

494
00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:36.880
<v Speaker 2>on their Panoptic Mirror so they can do it every

495
00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:40.440
<v Speaker 2>turn and essentially lock the board out of creatures. Yeah,

496
00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:44.200
<v Speaker 2>they'll do in their al Drasi deck, they'll do all

497
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:44.759
<v Speaker 2>his dust.

498
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I just thought of that. That'd be pretty freaking good.

499
00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:52.319
<v Speaker 1>This is true. Panoptic Mirror would not get got by

500
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:53.079
<v Speaker 1>knowledge dust.

501
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that's great. Put it alongside your dark

502
00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Steel Forge to make your Panoptic Mirror industry truc.

503
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Sure, that would be good.

504
00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.240
<v Speaker 2>That would be very good. I think the card's fine.

505
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Those are all worst case scenarios. Of course, this is

506
00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the cards. Like when we were talking about Braids,

507
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.759
<v Speaker 1>there is no not that Braid's deck deck. I think

508
00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:18.680
<v Speaker 1>that you can play Panoptic Mirror fairly and successfully by

509
00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:21.319
<v Speaker 1>putting any of the cards that you're thinking of in

510
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>your head on it. A lightning bolt, a boomerang. The

511
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:26.839
<v Speaker 1>counterpell wouldn't do any good.

512
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.119
<v Speaker 2>But like, yeah there's counter spell with cascade. No that

513
00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.519
<v Speaker 2>still doesn't work. Yeah it does, No, it doesn't. I

514
00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:36.720
<v Speaker 2>don't care. I'm thinking of like entish restoration saka Land

515
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:39.920
<v Speaker 2>search for three Land. Yeah.

516
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:41.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can put so many cards that are

517
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.880
<v Speaker 1>totally fair on a panoptic Mirror and it's not going

518
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.440
<v Speaker 1>to blow the game up. It has to be a

519
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>game changer because of the scenarios that we just talked about,

520
00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:54.480
<v Speaker 1>changing extraturns, infinite balance, infinite wrath of God, infinite fucking box.

521
00:24:55.119 --> 00:25:00.599
<v Speaker 1>You know right, those are all things that it happened.

522
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Not that I thought about that and putting Turgert back

523
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.400
<v Speaker 1>together so I can panoptic pox everybody, but I did

524
00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>think about doing that. You're That's why I was looking

525
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>That's literally why I was looking for my panoptic mirrors,

526
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:14.200
<v Speaker 1>so I could do that if I find it. Turgert's

527
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:17.799
<v Speaker 1>going back together, so I can panoptic box fanatic. But

528
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:19.759
<v Speaker 1>it didn't happen. So here we sit, nobody has to

529
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>worry about that.

530
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Nobody has to worry about get Oh, that's funny. I

531
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:26.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

532
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think that this one's coming off

533
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the bat or off the band list is wait and see.

534
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:33.559
<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's gonna be okay, and I'm

535
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:35.480
<v Speaker 1>willing to wait and see to see if it's going

536
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to be as brutal as people think it is. For

537
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>all the reasons.

538
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.279
<v Speaker 2>That we can't it ain't want to chain extra turns together.

539
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.000
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have freaking ten manna to start, and then

540
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.240
<v Speaker 2>like it's got to survive, Like there's so many things.

541
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:51.680
<v Speaker 1>If you have the ten manna to start, it doesn't

542
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 1>have to survive because you get all the turns at

543
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:54.079
<v Speaker 1>that point.

544
00:25:55.640 --> 00:26:00.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, I could just shatter it, well, couldn't I?

545
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 1>In response to you activating it yet, Hell yeah, you

546
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 1>had to spend ten and you got nothing but one.

547
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Just it's just like casting a frickin' Uh. What was

548
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.039
<v Speaker 3>the what was the freaking last one Coalition victory. I

549
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 3>could spend thirteen and I could get nothing out of it.

550
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:15.279
<v Speaker 3>This is the same thing. I gotta spend ten and I.

551
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Could get between ten and eleven and get nothing. It

552
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>doesn't wield the turn, is what I'm saying. Yeah, it doesn't.

553
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>You don't get another turn cycle like they have to

554
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.279
<v Speaker 1>have it in hand and mana to cast it at

555
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.519
<v Speaker 1>the time when you play Panoptic Mirror, if you're gonna

556
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>do the thing, yes, it costs ten. Yeah, yeah, all

557
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:31.720
<v Speaker 1>the message there, but and it's fine.

558
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Playing paying ten sway the stars ten great hoof eight

559
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.920
<v Speaker 2>like sure, fine whatever that one l drowsy spell that

560
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>does cause like lulamug and im were cool at the

561
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.119
<v Speaker 2>same time. Yeah, probably gonna win the game that actually.

562
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Gives you an extra turn as it does miror right

563
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.759
<v Speaker 3>like insurrection, these are cards that should end the game.

564
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Actually, that would probably is not the best card you

565
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.400
<v Speaker 1>can put on a Panoptic Mirror, not time stretch.

566
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know, man, I think that that Insurrection's

567
00:26:58.279 --> 00:26:58.799
<v Speaker 2>more epic.

568
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.640
<v Speaker 1>I think that the cause of like ulamog amor a

569
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>cool thing like you get an extra turn and you

570
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>blow up somebody's thing and you draw four cards on

571
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>all of your infinite turns, so it's not like you're

572
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.279
<v Speaker 1>just attacking with a shitty one one that has to

573
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of get in. You're not looking for a way

574
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>to do it. That card and anything in play will

575
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.599
<v Speaker 1>do it for you. Yes, and I think that that's

576
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:20.839
<v Speaker 1>a good card. I'm going to be said about that.

577
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:22.920
<v Speaker 2>What it's called, I don't care what it's. What's our

578
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 2>next card? Oh oh wait, Rick.

579
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I put that in there by a mistake because

580
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I was so excited to play my jeweled Lotuses again.

581
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.759
<v Speaker 2>For people driving in their cars. It's jeweled Lotus. I'm

582
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.279
<v Speaker 2>gonna get a shirt made free jeweled Lotus, not kickers.

583
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna petition.

584
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I can't freakable. I can't believe it.

585
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Do you think any politicians running in the in the

586
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 2>upcoming Canadian election do you think it's in their campaign

587
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:49.720
<v Speaker 2>promises to unbanned jeweled Lotus.

588
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I'd vote for them if it was.

589
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I would vote for them if it was.

590
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmmmmmmmm. The point is this card can be unbanned,

591
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.079
<v Speaker 1>and it should be unbanned right now, right now. I

592
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.519
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have to wait until next goddamn April and I

593
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:04.640
<v Speaker 1>realized that they didn't take it off the list because

594
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.799
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to validate threats against people in the

595
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 1>community and they don't want to look at their cow

596
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.759
<v Speaker 1>towing to wizards. We're saying, listen here, you bunch of

597
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>fucking sweaty neck beard nerd bitches, we want you to

598
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:19.039
<v Speaker 1>unban our ability to print one hundred dollars bills into

599
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.839
<v Speaker 1>packs of cards. And they don't want to appear like

600
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>their cow towing to either of those segments of the population.

601
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.319
<v Speaker 1>So Jewel Lotus Alas remains in jail until next April,

602
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:32.519
<v Speaker 1>when it will come off or else. I think that

603
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>by or else, I mean I will complain about it

604
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 1>until next time.

605
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the good good qualifier. Yeah, because or else

606
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>this is how we got into this trouble exactly.

607
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to contribute to that.

608
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I think you read between the lines there.

609
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.480
<v Speaker 2>They can't just back down from this kind of scenario,

610
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and they have to say, hey, listen, we want to

611
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>give this a chance. There's kind of two camps like

612
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>absolutely keep it banned, absolutely unbanned, and there's nobody in

613
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:04.279
<v Speaker 2>the middle. It's like, well, whatever care. And usually that's

614
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.400
<v Speaker 2>where I am, but I'm absolutely unbanned this card. I

615
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>don't think it signals like, oh, we're weak or wrong

616
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 2>or cowardly, or that kind of discourse from the community

617
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 2>is effective and works. I don't think it signals any

618
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:17.799
<v Speaker 2>of that.

619
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't either.

620
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I like their ability to put it into command or

621
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.119
<v Speaker 2>specific sets. I think it's actually net positive for the format.

622
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I think more often than not it's relegated to higher

623
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>power and seedh games, where where it is a welcome addition.

624
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I think from my experience there, I think, and I've

625
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>said this before late game, it gives you the ability

626
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>to continue to cast your commander and thereby contribute to

627
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>your strategy and the game overall. Keep playing the game,

628
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>which I think are all positives. And if it's wait

629
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 2>until next year September April, whenever it is, and then

630
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 2>it gets unbanned, I'll be happy. Sure, that's great because

631
00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>we get it back, because we get it. Yeah, but

632
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't, man, I will continue to beat this drum.

633
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, we will have this exact conversation again a

634
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 1>year from now when they do the next on banning.

635
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna move to the next picture.

636
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. Oh, shit cards that are not good

637
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>anymore because they were cut from the freakin game changer list.

638
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Gay changer cuts, okay, game changer cuts, and these ones

639
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 2>are the ones that are gonna be.

640
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.759
<v Speaker 1>They're just they're not even gonna count for points anymore.

641
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>You can play them willy nilly. They can go wherever

642
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:30.839
<v Speaker 1>you want play them. There's two of them.

643
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 2>And you can pick them up at Fusion Gaming online

644
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>dot com.

645
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>You use CCO Nation Holiday. Gonna move my heead CCO

646
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Nation promo code. Baby, what do I say?

647
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Nation Holiday?

648
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you did because you wanted it to be shorter.

649
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 1>But at CECO Nation is what the new promo code is.

650
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Trouble Impairs is our first.

651
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Card T and P card draw engine in mono. Why

652
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.279
<v Speaker 2>it costs four People were comparing it touristic study though

653
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>it ain't not at all, not close, No, but I

654
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 2>can see why, like draw extra cards. When you do

655
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.359
<v Speaker 2>extra cards and they just put a bunch of new

656
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>cards onto the game changer's list, that that effect or

657
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>limit or reduce or penalize your opponents for drawing extra

658
00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>This rewards me for you drawing extra.

659
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Now you're doing what you're doing, and I'm not stopping you,

660
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.039
<v Speaker 1>but I'm benefiting from it. I think that that's fine.

661
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:21.039
<v Speaker 2>That's not taking away any of your agency or weaponizing

662
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 2>your card draw. It's just giving me what you also have.

663
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's in white. It's white white too. I've

664
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 1>I've seen this card played lots of times. I've seen

665
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>it do nothing and I have seen it take over

666
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>a game. I've seen it do both things.

667
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>So average case scenario.

668
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.519
<v Speaker 1>I think, fine, it's fine. Is it absolutely fine? Card

669
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>that I don't think should have been on the game

670
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Changer's list in the first place, to the point that

671
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.079
<v Speaker 1>I think they put it on there so they could

672
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 1>take it.

673
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Off virtue signaling or no, what that wouldn't be? What

674
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 2>would that be?

675
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

676
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Putting it on there just to just to seem like

677
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a good guy.

678
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:53.559
<v Speaker 1>I think that I and this is this is where

679
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you not Brandle, You're being all conspiratorial again. But I

680
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>think that there are some cards that were on the

681
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 1>list that they put on that'll be easy cuts. I

682
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>think they did some soft unbands to like kind of pad,

683
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 1>the actual big ones, panoptic mirror, and I can remember

684
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.319
<v Speaker 1>I can give gifts on given. I think that these

685
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>two off the list are to show that they will

686
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 1>take things off the list, and I think that they

687
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 1>purposely left cards off the original one so that they

688
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>could put them on thereby demonstrating that they listen to

689
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the community and they will keep the list evolving. I

690
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>think that they set all of that up ahead of

691
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 1>times that they could have this big release come out

692
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and have everybody talk about how good the list is

693
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and how great a job they're doing and they are,

694
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's also kind of manufactured to make us think that.

695
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.079
<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, the point there that I liked the

696
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 2>most is where you said to demonstrate that they're doing

697
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 2>a good job, and they are. Yes, as long as

698
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 2>as long as the job getting done is a good job.

699
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't really care that I had to wait for

700
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:56.839
<v Speaker 2>trouble in pairs to come off of a list. I

701
00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 2>own zero of this card. I own one, and.

702
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:04.119
<v Speaker 1>It's in the same deck that it was in before

703
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>any of this happened. It didn't move once and I

704
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>haven't played it yet since then. But like, well, that's

705
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to count it like it's just there.

706
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.519
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing about Commander too, though, is man I

707
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>could put a gifts on given in my brewvac deck tomorrow.

708
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>And because I don't play as much c DH as

709
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.079
<v Speaker 2>I do more casual DH, I might not see my

710
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>gifts on given until I play c EDH in Las

711
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 2>Vegas like in June, or even after that. Like how

712
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.559
<v Speaker 2>many games of magic do you have to play with

713
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:39.519
<v Speaker 2>a deck randomly until you see a specific card?

714
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>That would be a stat for not us.

715
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 3>That would be a stat for our friends over at

716
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 3>dhreck dot camus.

717
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:45.799
<v Speaker 1>What's the next card?

718
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Run, next card? This is the cheapest.

719
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, these are the ones since you can play

720
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:54.799
<v Speaker 1>these now because they're off the game changer list, I

721
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 1>put the most expensive printings. So this is the masterpiece,

722
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 1>turning Sphere from not having ket Caladh calades, oh g whatever.

723
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.640
<v Speaker 1>They change the name of that plane too. Trinosphere makes

724
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>anything that costs less than three costs three. It has

725
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>its own step, so even if it says you can

726
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 1>play without paying its mane cost, it still costs three.

727
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>The Trenis step.

728
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>The trenisphere is real and you can turn it off

729
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>by tapping it, which I think is really cool. And

730
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>again I think that this deck, this car doesn't It's

731
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 1>symmetrical enough that it doesn't break games wide open in

732
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>all but one deck, which is yeah, Maria, and it's

733
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 1>just fine. Yes, it closed the game down.

734
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>But Blue Erza is already a game changer. And if

735
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.639
<v Speaker 2>you're playing Erza, probably you're playing.

736
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 3>A deck that might also have winter Orb and static

737
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.639
<v Speaker 3>Orb and all that stuff.

738
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, and your deck isn't a two or a three,

739
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 2>it's a four or a five.

740
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>You're never gonna run into this. I shouldn't say you're

741
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 1>never gonna run into an inn a three, which you're

742
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>probably not gonna run into it in a three, even

743
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.760
<v Speaker 1>though it's all about the number three.

744
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And if you have a three theme deck, a

745
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 3>thream deck.

746
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 2>If you will, I wish I just made that.

747
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 1>I like that.

748
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>If you have a thream deck or a two, a

749
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:14.440
<v Speaker 2>two deck.

750
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 1>No, I can't have that. Got to be a three deck.

751
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>If you have a one or a two or a three,

752
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Trinisphere in that deck is probably not a very good

753
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.599
<v Speaker 2>magic card because all of the most powerful spells game

754
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:31.079
<v Speaker 2>breaking stuff, and maybe even your combo cards and probably

755
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:36.199
<v Speaker 2>your commander costs three or more. The higher competition you go,

756
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:41.320
<v Speaker 2>and the more pinpoint the removal spells are the counterspells,

757
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 2>the combos, the tutors, all of that stuff that you

758
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.639
<v Speaker 2>want to cost more doesn't get played at the lower brackets,

759
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.760
<v Speaker 2>So this kind of self police is based on the

760
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:50.559
<v Speaker 2>rules set of the bracket system.

761
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is fine, It's fine to come off. I'm

762
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 1>happy to see it come off. Not that I'm going

763
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>to play it, but I think that it again, it

764
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 1>was one of those ones that you could probably take

765
00:35:58.159 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 1>that off. That's fine.

766
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I saw it originally, like a few months ago,

767
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:05.679
<v Speaker 2>I was like, does that need to be on there?

768
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 2>And also, oh yeah, I could see that being on there.

769
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.079
<v Speaker 1>You can make a case for it either way. But

770
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:12.440
<v Speaker 1>now that it's not on the list.

771
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Cool, Sure, more cards to play with?

772
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, free Trinisphere Baby.

773
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 2>What do we What have we got next to your uncle? Brand?

774
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Another piece of.

775
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Art, the new gzs Now. Originally I wanted to try

776
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and if you're watching on YouTube, which you should be,

777
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:26.800
<v Speaker 1>I tried to make an explosion in the corner, but

778
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't have like the mouse skills to make an explosion,

779
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 1>so I just threw a tree.

780
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that was a tree.

781
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to see the trunk, but it's the tree.

782
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's I have the same problem. Hard to

783
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>see the trunk.

784
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Or it's a green cloud. Either way, it could be

785
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:48.280
<v Speaker 1>either either the things. What's the button? So these are

786
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:50.239
<v Speaker 1>cards that are going on to the Game Changers list.

787
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Now, oh TP protection.

788
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 1>We mentioned this on our or I mentioned this on

789
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 1>our initial Game Changers discussion. Teffrey's Protection should go on

790
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 1>there for all the same reasons that Cyclonic Rip should.

791
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and that was one of the reasons that was

792
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:06.360
<v Speaker 2>cited in the article that came out with this.

793
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 1>It does all of the same stuff in a different way.

794
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>You can exact same impact on a game.

795
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>You can use it offensively or defensively. And some people

796
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:18.679
<v Speaker 2>say no, it's defensive card. No, you can use it

797
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>offensively because you can full shove and then tefts protection

798
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:28.039
<v Speaker 2>yourself out of there and there's no consequences to your attack. Yeah,

799
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 2>So offensively defensively it changes the dynamic of the game.

800
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>It literally changes the game from a four player to

801
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.320
<v Speaker 2>a three player or or one less than there was before.

802
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 2>And then you just come back like nothing ever happened,

803
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's like eh, die, or.

804
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>You full shove and the I goes Oh you want

805
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 1>to feel how hard. I could punch after you've like

806
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>slapped their lips off. Yes, and they like, man, I'm

807
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.599
<v Speaker 1>gonna stop you drinks so hard and the wrath of God.

808
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll respond to wrath of God Protection, kill all your dudes.

809
00:37:58.119 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I want to hard, I can punch, and you're like.

810
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:03.960
<v Speaker 2>No, big brain play, big brain play Okay, I swing

811
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>all out with you. You to you, you say you

812
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>want to see a harder can punch, but really me

813
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.039
<v Speaker 2>and the other two players want you dead. And you

814
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:14.199
<v Speaker 2>go right before I go. So they all get around

815
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and you're tough guy. You can't be killed. You're the threat.

816
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 2>You go all out at me because you're the tough

817
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.639
<v Speaker 2>guy that it's like, and I go, fuck test Protection

818
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:26.639
<v Speaker 2>and you go, oh, I on tap gank you this guy,

819
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.519
<v Speaker 2>this guy gank gank dead like oh man, Like there's

820
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 2>so many little complex and little scenarios like that that

821
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.760
<v Speaker 2>make this card so good powerful. It's like doubling season.

822
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:38.480
<v Speaker 2>You ever heard of that card?

823
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've heard that that's an okay card to play

824
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>in Commander, But see if it made the game Changer.

825
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 2>List, Ah, probably didn't.

826
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Humility Humility this one.

827
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what I.

828
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Honestly I've never thought about humility. It's a card that

829
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't occur to me. I never really consider it a thing.

830
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>And then when I saw it on the list, I

831
00:38:59.480 --> 00:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't show.

832
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Okay, that changes the game.

833
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely understand that by definition of game changing, that

834
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 1>is a game changing card all day long, especially in

835
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.119
<v Speaker 1>a format that's based around creatures.

836
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:18.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my strategy is usually predicated on my creatures being

837
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 2>bigger than one.

838
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes and so is yours, or doing something, and this

839
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 1>makes neither of those things a thing unless that thing

840
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.920
<v Speaker 1>is attacking or chump blocking, because that's all they do,

841
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 1>because the one one is that attack and block brick.

842
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 2>This card's good.

843
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a good card, and I totally understand

844
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 1>why it's on the game changer list. I don't think

845
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>this is going to impact too many people because I

846
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 1>don't think there are very many people unless they're there.

847
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Everything has to do with one level one.

848
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, like mac attack, He's got everything is one deck.

849
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe maybe that's where it goes. So this deck

850
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and my Bellow deck can like fight it out little bit.

851
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:02.920
<v Speaker 1>This would probably beat Bellow. It's the one card.

852
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Be one one, four four, and they don't have to

853
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:09.679
<v Speaker 2>hasty cards.

854
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't. Let's not under sell how much of

855
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.079
<v Speaker 1>a one bellow is.

856
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Okay, she'd really be a one if it was under

857
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 3>a freaking exactly cool.

858
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think that's a good include. That's fine, dope, dope.

859
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that that happened. What's next?

860
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Freaking wee Bo nar set like card this nar set

861
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 2>and Notion Thief and and sort of Orchestral Masters are

862
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:42.159
<v Speaker 2>all on this list. They were cards like Notion Thief

863
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:44.880
<v Speaker 2>was a specific card that I remember saying and asking

864
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.840
<v Speaker 2>about and talking about, how come no Haullbreacher and how

865
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.159
<v Speaker 2>come Notion Thief? And I got a hundred responses producing

866
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Gary's favorite in the YouTube comments, and they they were like, well,

867
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.719
<v Speaker 2>one gives you cards, but one gives you man. And

868
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, cards is fucking better, Notion Thief is good.

869
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you don't know what you're talking about. Notion Deep

870
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 3>is waste, or I mean, Hullbreacher is way stronger. Well,

871
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 3>turns out and Watsie in the Commander format panel sort

872
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 3>of agree with me that, sure, Hullbreacher is only this

873
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:18.639
<v Speaker 3>much freaking stronger, because that's the difference between game Changer

874
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:23.039
<v Speaker 3>and Band and nar set's the same, and h Orchestral

875
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Master kind of the same.

876
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that Orchestral Master is is egregious as

877
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 1>in Commander as these other two cards are. And I

878
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 1>know that all the all of the conversation about these

879
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>cards as well, people play wheels and yes, fuck, I mean,

880
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>what else do you really say about it? Right, Well,

881
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. This doesn't even change those strategies because

882
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 1>all the things where you're gonna have somebody wheel you

883
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>into you draw nothing, I draw seven. All that's still

884
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.559
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. This doesn't actually do anything because at the

885
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>level of game that those exist at, these are still legals.

886
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 1>So this doesn't change anything. And nobody in A two

887
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.639
<v Speaker 1>was playing fucking Wheel of Fortune nar Set to do

888
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:06.760
<v Speaker 1>fair fun things.

889
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.599
<v Speaker 2>But I think people at the level three were. And

890
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 2>now you can't play nar Set and Notion Thief and

891
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 2>this and this and this and this. It's the same

892
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.199
<v Speaker 2>reason cited that Manacrypt and Juid Lotus Rest in Peace,

893
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Sorry Bumped the mic are are not legal. It's because

894
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>there's a redundancy of this niche effect that oh happens

895
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 2>to be really freaking powerful. Yeah, right, It's the same

896
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>reason that Tabernacle and Workshop are on the list now too,

897
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>because if you lose to a five thousand dollars magic card.

898
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's paid to win and it's fucking not fair.

899
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:44.559
<v Speaker 3>And oh, I wasn't born in nineteen sixty when, and

900
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't an adult when this card was printed, right,

901
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.440
<v Speaker 3>Like all that stuff comes up and nar Set and

902
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:56.079
<v Speaker 3>Notion Thief and Hull Breacher or kyb Wheel of Fortune,

903
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 3>time Twister, there's another freaking multi thousand dollars magic card

904
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:04.039
<v Speaker 3>all belong in the same group in my eyes. The

905
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:09.239
<v Speaker 3>everybody draws seven and everybody draws one or none in

906
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 3>my mind, so much of that all happens in.

907
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:18.639
<v Speaker 2>The same deck. Yeah that if if you're not if

908
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:22.760
<v Speaker 2>you're not playing at power four or five, doesn't matter.

909
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.199
<v Speaker 2>So it's like why why why?

910
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know.

911
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm moving on to the next card. What is it?

912
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Orgust bowl Masters And the next one is no Notion Thief. Yeah,

913
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>there are the cards we're just talking about.

914
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.599
<v Speaker 2>Orchest bowl Master is actually really I like Orchestra bowl

915
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Master in like a Necuzar deck because you're like doubling

916
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:46.000
<v Speaker 2>up on on the damages on everything yeah, and.

917
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.519
<v Speaker 1>You're making dudes, and it's another game changer for rev.

918
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 2>There you go, you're collecting game changers like buck.

919
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

920
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Oh, Intuition we talked about already.

921
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>We talked lots and lots and lots about intuition already.

922
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>This is an instant three and it finds you three

923
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:04.480
<v Speaker 1>cards with different names. One goes to your hand, two

924
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:06.239
<v Speaker 1>goes to your bin. But they don't have to have

925
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 1>different names. That's how I used to play it. You

926
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.360
<v Speaker 1>get three Demi God of Revenge, and they discard two

927
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Demi God of Revenge, and then you play the third

928
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 1>one to get the other two back, and then you

929
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.599
<v Speaker 1>smack them for fifteen. Baby. I like that as a

930
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:20.079
<v Speaker 1>good one.

931
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

932
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>But that's why I owned Intuition. There are people out

933
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.639
<v Speaker 1>there in the nation that like, know the value of

934
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 1>this card and they're going, BRANDI, you fucking asshole. Of

935
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.159
<v Speaker 1>course that's what you did with that.

936
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, in your ractose sixty and four deck circa

937
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight. Yeah, when Intuition was four dollars

938
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:43.559
<v Speaker 2>also yeah, yeah, and Demi God of Revenge was twenty.

939
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:44.920
<v Speaker 2>That's right as the standard.

940
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:45.800
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

941
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Ah, what a good time. What a good time? Speaking

942
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 2>of expensive, I didn't actually tell my gifts on given story.

943
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh claimed with my buddy Mitch, and it's like you

944
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.239
<v Speaker 2>and I just started playing together. I didn't even have

945
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 2>a play group yet that so I was playing with

946
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Mitch and I cube of them and stuff. So he

947
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 2>comes over to my house one time and he goes,

948
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna play like a powerful deck. I want to

949
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 2>like test out this deck and show you some cards

950
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 2>in it and stuff, because I was just getting back

951
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 2>into magic that's how long ago.

952
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.199
<v Speaker 1>This was all right, And I'm.

953
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Like, okay, I'll play this. I'll play this Sapperlink token deck.

954
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.079
<v Speaker 2>It's like powerful or whatever. Sure it's the first deck

955
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I ever played at your house and won a game with. Yeah,

956
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I played that deck and Mitch Turn one goes like

957
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 2>underground CE and some bullshit and he passes and I'm like, okay, sure,

958
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:37.559
<v Speaker 2>I played Lanna war Elf. He goes turn two fucking

959
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 2>something high Tide gifts on given searches for regrowth yog

960
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>moths will black Lotus and mock Sapphire, and I'm like, huh, okay,

961
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess these two will go to your grade oh,

962
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:55.119
<v Speaker 2>you just get them, Yes, I just get them all back. Yes,

963
00:45:55.199 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 2>you're right. And then he goes like dark ritual are

964
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.280
<v Speaker 2>high tided into yog moths, thing makes six manna with

965
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 2>his black lotus and a storm counts like frickin' whatever

966
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>he minds desires and then he casts five six things

967
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:16.039
<v Speaker 2>and then he goes Tendrils of Agony, and I'm like, oh,

968
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 2>that's the vintage down I got stormed out turned two

969
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.599
<v Speaker 2>or whatever with a you got vintage. I got gifted

970
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 2>and stormed and lotused and everything. So he played half

971
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 2>of the Power nine against me. Felt pretty good.

972
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.880
<v Speaker 1>That's how much it took to beat you. Yeah, pretty strong.

973
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you guess what this car is?

974
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Consecrated Sphinx? Yeah, this is another game changer. This guy

975
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:43.480
<v Speaker 2>is like Primeval Titan in that the whole game starts

976
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 2>to revolve around him right where.

977
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Trying to kill it, clone it, revive it, or steal it.

978
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's got to be an acronym for.

979
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 1>That clone steel CCR CCR c c KRC.

980
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 2>That sounds like a radio station. Yeah, c KARC consecrated

981
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Sphinx six fifty. Uh yeah, it's you know how often

982
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I run into this card.

983
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't see it very often anymore. When we first

984
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>started playing, I remember there was a couple of games

985
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>where you'd have like dueling consecrated sphinxes, yes, and it

986
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.280
<v Speaker 1>was like all draw two, all draw four, all draw two,

987
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 1>al draw four, all draw whatever, and then two guys

988
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like fill their.

989
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Whole hands up and that's why it's banned, yeah, or

990
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.239
<v Speaker 2>game changed, and you know what it it it's kind

991
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>of a farce. And two months ago, a month ago,

992
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 2>we were talking about redundancy. How come we're seeing tutors

993
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.280
<v Speaker 2>on and off and there's a rule like what's going

994
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>on with the tutors? Yea, and consecrated sphinx and trade

995
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>secrets exist in the same space in my mind, if

996
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 2>you're CCRC or cr whatever, copy and cloning, stealing, bouncing, blinking, reanimating,

997
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.159
<v Speaker 2>if you're doing all that with somebody else's consecrated sphinx,

998
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>it kind of feels like I'm actually just in a

999
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:03.519
<v Speaker 2>trade secrets war. And because of that too soon and

1000
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:10.559
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, yeah, tariffs, And because it also gives me

1001
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>the on the battlefield kind of cultural vibe as Primeval Titan,

1002
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 2>like when you kind of zoom out and look at

1003
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 2>it like that. That's why it's a game changer. It's

1004
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:24.000
<v Speaker 2>not because the effect is too powerful, like Primeval Titan

1005
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>searching for two lands. Not too powerful because everybody wants

1006
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.440
<v Speaker 2>to do that so bad and the game just turns

1007
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 2>into Primeval Titan or Consecrated Sphinx jerk off.

1008
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why.

1009
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's not that this card is like taboo or

1010
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.639
<v Speaker 2>like you should be shunned or whatever. If you play

1011
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:41.440
<v Speaker 2>this in one of your.

1012
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Decks, it does tell you six cards, but round of

1013
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:45.599
<v Speaker 1>the table unless it's been removed.

1014
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 2>It does, which is this is the kind of card

1015
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>though it costs six and is easily dealt with and

1016
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have that big of an impact through attacking to

1017
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 2>further your strategy. Like if somebody said, I actually have

1018
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:02.079
<v Speaker 2>an upgrade pre con it's got a Consecrated Sphinx in it.

1019
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>This is the first card that I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, sure,

1020
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:07.320
<v Speaker 2>it's sure, I'll just kill it.

1021
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess I've seen them in games and it's not

1022
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:10.880
<v Speaker 1>even like, man, that's not even the worst thing that's

1023
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>in play right now. I've certainly been in games that

1024
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 1>there's like there like that.

1025
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I've certainly won games because of it too, me too so.

1026
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 1>When but those were again in the kind of the

1027
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.480
<v Speaker 1>before times when it was a little more wild westy,

1028
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like this just doesn't because it gets

1029
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 1>so much hate already. I feel like a lot of

1030
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.400
<v Speaker 1>people just stopped playing it at a particular level. And

1031
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's just the level that we play at. I

1032
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 1>feel like people have kind of abandoned this card and

1033
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.559
<v Speaker 1>it's not as big as you're either just gonna play

1034
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.079
<v Speaker 1>auristic study you're gonna be that guy, yeah, or you're

1035
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:41.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna just do something else, you know what.

1036
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 2>And this again speaks to its game changerness, is I

1037
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 2>don't want to pay six mana and have my thing

1038
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 2>immediately die. And that's what's gonna happen when I play this.

1039
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 2>So it's like when I'm playing at power level two

1040
00:49:56.679 --> 00:50:01.599
<v Speaker 2>or three, let's call it casual or upgraded casual. It's like, man,

1041
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.719
<v Speaker 2>this card isn't even gonna be effective. It's not gonna

1042
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>do what I want. It's not going to further my

1043
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>strategy in a traditional sense they're attacking. The best it's

1044
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.159
<v Speaker 2>probably gonna do is make them discard a card by

1045
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 2>killing it, or it's gonna absorb like a big attacker

1046
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.039
<v Speaker 2>because they're hitting me for ten because they want the

1047
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Sphinx dead and they want to they want to like

1048
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>shove and see what I do.

1049
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 1>The most expedient way to get rid of a consecrated

1050
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>spank is to kill the person that played it.

1051
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 3>And when you get to a higher power level, the

1052
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:31.840
<v Speaker 3>priorities just change.

1053
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Right. I have to stop you from doing the thing

1054
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.079
<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna do that's immediately going to end the game,

1055
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>so that consecrated Sphinx can actually stay there and maybe

1056
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:45.760
<v Speaker 2>it will glean you some value. And it's again just

1057
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 2>a little bit self polices, and that's what I think

1058
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I would lean on with this bracket system, And now

1059
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the sixty one game changers is so many of them

1060
00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:00.440
<v Speaker 2>actually just self police, especially if you have like a

1061
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:07.800
<v Speaker 2>longer standing playgroup. So moving on necro Potent necro Potents.

1062
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.320
<v Speaker 1>It shocked me that this wasn't on the game changer

1063
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 1>list ye from the get go, and now it is.

1064
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.639
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like we've kind of talked about this

1065
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot. This is an exceptionally powerful magic card, an

1066
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:21.400
<v Speaker 1>excessively powerful magic card for all the reasons that you

1067
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.079
<v Speaker 1>think it's an enchantment for Black Black Black, you skip

1068
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 1>your draw step. You may pay one life to remove

1069
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 1>the top card of your library from the game. At

1070
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of your next end step you put them

1071
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 1>into your hand.

1072
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:31.599
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

1073
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.039
<v Speaker 1>So you can take your very large health pool and

1074
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.280
<v Speaker 1>turn it into a draw twenty at the end of

1075
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 1>your turn, which then turns into a discard back down

1076
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 1>to seven at the end of your turn. Or you

1077
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:43.679
<v Speaker 1>can use it like I do, and I use it

1078
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 1>to refill my hand at the end of every turn

1079
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>that it's in play. Yes, I played three things. I'll

1080
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.599
<v Speaker 1>pay three life to put three cards back in my

1081
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 1>hand for next turn. Yep. Necro Potents is excessively strong.

1082
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.960
<v Speaker 1>It's very very very good. It stops you from decking yourself.

1083
00:51:56.599 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 1>And the what is this their at your countdown kit?

1084
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:03.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the.

1085
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Secret layer art is super cool.

1086
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I do like that. And right beside ad Nauseum

1087
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:14.800
<v Speaker 2>on a game changer's list, I think where it belongs

1088
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and probably where it should have been. And I know

1089
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.039
<v Speaker 2>from a couple months ago it was considered. Because ad

1090
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Nauseum was considered, this one had to have been considered,

1091
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:32.320
<v Speaker 2>just like jog Moss Bargain was considered for unbanned because

1092
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 2>ad nauseum and necropotence exist. So ah. Gavin's article finishes

1093
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:40.719
<v Speaker 2>saying this is never going to be unbanned though with bargain.

1094
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, we'll never see. We already have necropotents and

1095
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 1>all that. We we don't need, young Barker. Yeah, yeah,

1096
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.159
<v Speaker 1>but necropotence is it should probably be there, just like

1097
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 1>deflecting SWATT probably should have been if.

1098
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:56.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if force of will and fierce guardianship are game changers,

1099
00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 2>impact of negation, deflecting SWAT one hundred same game changer.

1100
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.840
<v Speaker 2>It's literally counterspell for for a reproval.

1101
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Spell in red.

1102
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that also gets an ability right, uh change the

1103
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 2>target of target spell or ability? Yes, yeah. Because a

1104
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.920
<v Speaker 2>guy tried to freakin' uh chatterfang my anamar one time.

1105
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:18.880
<v Speaker 2>He said, oh, it's green, it's not black, And I go,

1106
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:20.920
<v Speaker 2>are you doing that all at once? He goes, yeah,

1107
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm giving it minus three all at once. Okay, I'll

1108
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:27.119
<v Speaker 2>just chatterfang. I'll just deflecting SWAT back to chatterfang. He's

1109
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:33.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna die, oh, and then killed him immediately. That's what

1110
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you do, because he did it on his turn. And

1111
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>then ion tapped right after his turn and freaking comboed

1112
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 2>him and killed him.

1113
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.039
<v Speaker 1>A long time stretch, Yeah, lull time stretch.

1114
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, deflecting twat maybe right.

1115
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Got you? Like this card should have been on there

1116
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.400
<v Speaker 1>from the get go. It mesmerizes me that it was not,

1117
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:49.280
<v Speaker 1>and now it is.

1118
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 2>And do you remember the criticism from from I guess

1119
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.239
<v Speaker 2>everybody's saying, how come Blue got fifty eight cards on

1120
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>the Game Changer's list but Red only.

1121
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Had two because we were waiting for this update.

1122
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's why a conspiracy confirmed?

1123
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, conspiracy confirmed out podcast CCO.

1124
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I would honestly the game pouse it that conversations that

1125
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I've had with people just around the Magic space since

1126
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the Game Changer list came out, almost every card that

1127
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.559
<v Speaker 1>people said, well, if this is on, then why not this?

1128
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:22.639
<v Speaker 1>So many of them, if not all of them, are

1129
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.360
<v Speaker 1>on your natural order crop rotation deflecting swat, They're all here,

1130
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:26.760
<v Speaker 1>worldly tudor they.

1131
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.920
<v Speaker 2>All's slippery slope though, right, it's slippery slope, because how

1132
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:32.239
<v Speaker 2>come this not this? How come not this? How come

1133
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 2>not this?

1134
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that they've got all the low hanging fruit

1135
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.280
<v Speaker 1>of the if this not this? And again I think

1136
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 1>it was to show that they're willing to have the

1137
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 1>list balloon a little bit, and hopefully that'll be the

1138
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.679
<v Speaker 1>end of the balloonage, but we'll have to see. But

1139
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that the way things stand right now today,

1140
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:49.639
<v Speaker 1>this probably should wait until afterward. I'm talking about the

1141
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:51.400
<v Speaker 1>rest of the cards. I think that the game changer

1142
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:52.079
<v Speaker 1>list is fine.

1143
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's see the next card gamble, oh gamble and

1144
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>crop rotation, which was if this not this one from

1145
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.719
<v Speaker 2>last time and worldly tutor, if this, how come not

1146
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:06.239
<v Speaker 2>this tutor? Redundancy rule for tutor? What like, what are

1147
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.760
<v Speaker 2>we doing? And now they just said, yeah, we're gonna

1148
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Speaker 2>They didn't say this, but we're gonna remove that confusion

1149
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.159
<v Speaker 2>and that redundancy and just make these game changers. I

1150
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:18.320
<v Speaker 2>think it's a good change.

1151
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I do too, even though it did take both Nora

1152
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.679
<v Speaker 1>and and Ev, which are my most favoritist feel good

1153
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.679
<v Speaker 1>fun decks, and put them so solidly into the fucking

1154
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 1>four category that I don't know how Mam be able

1155
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:30.079
<v Speaker 1>to talk people.

1156
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Back from it, because like, they're not force, but they're

1157
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:39.679
<v Speaker 4>forced now because while playing two hundred goddamn game changers

1158
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 4>in them.

1159
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Ah fuck, that's funny.

1160
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:46.320
<v Speaker 2>I like that, that's funny.

1161
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>That's funny.

1162
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, that's funny. Seedborn MWS. This is one that

1163
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.400
<v Speaker 2>we asked about, okay, the.

1164
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Week before, like the ed H and M Before this announcement,

1165
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:02.880
<v Speaker 1>we actually had two separate games that evolved into can

1166
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 1>we kill this Seedborn Muse? So when I saw it

1167
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:09.159
<v Speaker 1>on the game changer list, just because of like, what's that,

1168
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:11.599
<v Speaker 1>what's the bias where that recently happened to me? So

1169
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 1>recncy bias, recency bias, abs the goddamnlutely seedborn muses on.

1170
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, of course. And here's the thing though, Unwinding

1171
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Clock not on the list. Now, I can't as easily copy, steal,

1172
00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:30.039
<v Speaker 2>reanimate Unwinding Clock like I could Seedborn music because unwinding

1173
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Clock not a creature, also only cares about artifacts, and

1174
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that's something that I certainly have to build around, and

1175
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.039
<v Speaker 2>it feels kind of like a step like unwinding Clock. Okay,

1176
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:45.639
<v Speaker 2>because restrictive kind of build around the requirement. Seed Born

1177
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Muse is baseline and then profit a crew fix which

1178
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.440
<v Speaker 2>is lands and creatures but also gives creatures flash.

1179
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.320
<v Speaker 1>That's that's why, that's why is the.

1180
00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Breaking point where It's like, oh, now, if we said yeah,

1181
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:03.639
<v Speaker 2>game changer seed born muse, could we maybe say game

1182
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:06.320
<v Speaker 2>changer profit a crew fix? Could we say that? No,

1183
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:07.440
<v Speaker 2>you don't think.

1184
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Profit gives you all the same benefits that the seedborn

1185
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 1>mews does. But it also gives you the ammo to

1186
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:18.079
<v Speaker 1>actually play a turn on each opponent's turn. And that's

1187
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.039
<v Speaker 1>the that's the difference between seedborn Muse and profit approvement.

1188
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Taking up other people's time when they would normally expect

1189
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:28.079
<v Speaker 2>to be playing magic is a profit of crew fixed thing,

1190
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.519
<v Speaker 2>especially because it's like, I can, I can activate all

1191
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:34.559
<v Speaker 2>these abilities, which is what you would want to do

1192
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:35.440
<v Speaker 2>in Simmic bullshit.

1193
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, and by the end of the round you're

1194
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be so far ahead just because you Simmic bullshit.

1195
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>It so hard, Like what the fuck?

1196
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I got two things though, Two things. First thing, firstly,

1197
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:50.199
<v Speaker 2>they unbanned gifts on given so nothing's off the table.

1198
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:51.320
<v Speaker 2>That's one thing.

1199
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, I feel like there are things are off the

1200
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 1>table right now.

1201
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, we Moss Barton shouldn't be off the table.

1202
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Neither should freakin' Juel Lotus I keep saying. But the

1203
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:05.199
<v Speaker 2>second thing is people are already expecting simic bullshit to

1204
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 2>do simic bullshit. Yes, so if you're just gonna simmic

1205
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 2>bullshit anyways, does does having profit akrufix unbanned and be

1206
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 2>a game changer? Does that self police?

1207
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:19.519
<v Speaker 3>If you say, oh, yeah, i'm playing, I'm just playing

1208
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:23.559
<v Speaker 3>my my thracios no partner deck, I don't think so.

1209
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:25.079
<v Speaker 2>That sounds like simic bullshit.

1210
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.239
<v Speaker 1>I actually don't think so, because I think that people

1211
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.320
<v Speaker 1>are still of the mind that if you're just semic

1212
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 1>bullshitting really hard with no air quotes way to win,

1213
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 1>they think that that's a very casual thing to do,

1214
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 1>and they think it's fun to play on other people's

1215
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:41.800
<v Speaker 1>urns and Lada da da da da da and take

1216
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 1>these long turns where you search for three land and

1217
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.039
<v Speaker 1>put them into play and then play it to and

1218
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:49.119
<v Speaker 1>do it every turn. And it's more obnoxious than anything else.

1219
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.039
<v Speaker 1>And I think profit gets left on the game changer

1220
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.360
<v Speaker 1>list because of that, and because it only goes up

1221
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 1>from there. Baseline, it's very annoying for everybody, and top

1222
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.960
<v Speaker 1>end it's a really really too powerful card.

1223
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I think it too powerful, but you know

1224
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:06.119
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Well, it's banned, so it's too powerful

1225
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 2>for it to be fun or like additive to the format.

1226
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.599
<v Speaker 2>I think with Profit and Seedborn and unwinding Clock is like,

1227
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.239
<v Speaker 2>take a minute to understand what they're doing. This's how

1228
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I deal with it, and then every turn when they

1229
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.679
<v Speaker 2>do it, just fucking ignore it. I don't know d

1230
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 2>wing yet. No, Okay, well I'm gonna see if I

1231
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.320
<v Speaker 2>could top deck or removal spell kill it.

1232
00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:28.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm just still look for a way to kill Seedborn

1233
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.800
<v Speaker 1>mus until I do. It's another card too, that warps

1234
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the whole game around.

1235
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's why it's a game change.

1236
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 1>So she can't argue with that, right, it's a must answer.

1237
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Can't ignore a threat period. Yeah, and if it's not

1238
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.159
<v Speaker 1>in that deck, why you're playing it? We'll just untaps

1239
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>all my guys.

1240
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I play it in one deck that it lets

1241
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:48.360
<v Speaker 2>me untapped guys and freaking make sapperlings every turn. And

1242
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:50.559
<v Speaker 2>guess what, I make lots of them.

1243
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:52.679
<v Speaker 1>Yep. I play them in decks that want to turn

1244
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:55.360
<v Speaker 1>every single creatures in them sideways every single turn, and

1245
00:59:55.400 --> 01:00:01.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to give them vigilance. So Seedborn musemuse.

1246
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.679
<v Speaker 2>The best vigilance provider. That's right.

1247
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Plus it untaps all my lands so I can play remove.

1248
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, natural Order goes along with the tutors, right,

1249
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

1250
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:10.679
<v Speaker 1>I think this one's a little bit different because it

1251
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:15.039
<v Speaker 1>can turn a early game. Let's just say you go

1252
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Land sol Ring go Land Land morel Natural Order, get

1253
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.360
<v Speaker 1>born Clex the land fucker, yes, and like you've already

1254
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:28.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of won that game. Yeah right, Or you get

1255
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:30.159
<v Speaker 1>a progenitice on turn two.

1256
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Ur.

1257
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it used to be the old lega na yeah.

1258
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.239
<v Speaker 2>No progenitus. It was called natural Order progenitus. I called

1259
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:37.159
<v Speaker 2>it no prog tits.

1260
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:37.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

1261
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine going no prog tits and then like

1262
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.840
<v Speaker 2>ramping up to coalition victory. And that's how you win.

1263
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Because you can't instant speed remove progenitus because you got

1264
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:47.880
<v Speaker 3>protection from everything.

1265
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:48.280
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

1266
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh broke the Internet and I did it, got there,

1267
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:51.239
<v Speaker 2>broke the Internet.

1268
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.920
<v Speaker 1>That's why I think Natural Order is a fine game changer,

1269
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.880
<v Speaker 1>because it like I think I play it fairly because

1270
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I used to find a creature that I have to

1271
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.000
<v Speaker 1>pay six into to make it do what I needed

1272
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.039
<v Speaker 1>to do. So like I'm trying to make it fair.

1273
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.000
<v Speaker 1>But every time I cast and everybody looks like Oh yeah, really, bitch,

1274
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you think that's fair? Really really you think so?

1275
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I actually just cut this card from my Trufas deck

1276
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:16.840
<v Speaker 2>like before it got game changered.

1277
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Because it was too good. You sacked a sap to

1278
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:19.920
<v Speaker 1>find a crater hoof and won the game.

1279
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't play Creator Hoof a b hathbrick rabbits. I

1280
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:26.079
<v Speaker 2>do play that.

1281
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:29.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you go and Decimator of Provinces. That's like

1282
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 3>fucking team Creator.

1283
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Hoof right there. So you find the Creator hoof asterisks,

1284
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 1>you find Creater Hoof at home, and you put it

1285
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.920
<v Speaker 1>into play like that's why naturally it was gone. It's

1286
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.440
<v Speaker 1>this redundancy of your eye fucking win the game card.

1287
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Also, AI Armor the company that we're getting to make

1288
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.559
<v Speaker 2>the CECO sleeves, right, they send you one hundred and

1289
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:49.239
<v Speaker 2>five sleeves in a pack, and I just filled up

1290
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.079
<v Speaker 2>all the sleeves I had until one day I dropped

1291
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.440
<v Speaker 2>the deck and had to count all the cards because

1292
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:56.400
<v Speaker 2>they fell behind the filing cabinet and I needed to

1293
01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:58.000
<v Speaker 2>make sure I had one hundred and.

1294
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.599
<v Speaker 3>It turned out that I had one hundred and five owned.

1295
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:05.400
<v Speaker 3>So a natural order came out. Yes, yeah, food chain,

1296
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:09.280
<v Speaker 3>a chain fucking same deck, same deck one.

1297
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:11.079
<v Speaker 1>If you're watching on YouTube, which you should be. I

1298
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:13.519
<v Speaker 1>have my very favorite food chain art on this one.

1299
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.119
<v Speaker 1>It's a hydra like all and all of the heads

1300
01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:18.559
<v Speaker 1>are fighting over this poor guy that they're trying to eat.

1301
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I that I got a question. Sure that's French for question?

1302
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Is it for anybody who isn't from a bilingual like

1303
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Canada nation?

1304
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

1305
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 2>If food chain, why not Ferrexian altar? And if no

1306
01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:37.079
<v Speaker 2>ferrexcient Altar and food chain why not? It's older uglier

1307
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 2>sister ashnouts Altar. That's like what ashnots Alter is the

1308
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:46.960
<v Speaker 2>most egregious one on all of them.

1309
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:50.079
<v Speaker 1>I think that this one has because they do the

1310
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.119
<v Speaker 1>same thing at a level. And you're right, yes, I

1311
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:55.880
<v Speaker 1>think that food Chain has a really really really small

1312
01:02:56.039 --> 01:03:00.960
<v Speaker 1>leg up in that in not actually that corner case

1313
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:04.239
<v Speaker 1>as I'm thinking Prash and Avy, they just instantly win

1314
01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:06.639
<v Speaker 1>you the game. So they have like a and it's

1315
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:12.400
<v Speaker 1>with a card in your command zone Rexian Alter ashnods Alter.

1316
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.199
<v Speaker 1>You have to have something else going on in play

1317
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:18.159
<v Speaker 1>at the time, whereas with food Chain you don't.

1318
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah, because they're in your command zone. You

1319
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:23.920
<v Speaker 2>could just cast your commander after food Chain and you

1320
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 2>get enough manager recast and recast and recast, okay, and.

1321
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:30.360
<v Speaker 1>It just gives you the gimmick. And I think it's

1322
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:33.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a hair split. But I think that this

1323
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:36.719
<v Speaker 1>is what we want this group to do, is to

1324
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.159
<v Speaker 1>split hair just to see where the line is, and

1325
01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:43.440
<v Speaker 1>food Chain is this is the line right here, Rexian arena.

1326
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.320
<v Speaker 1>You can alter alter you could be here, food Chain

1327
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:49.440
<v Speaker 1>is here, and this is the very corner case, particular

1328
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.519
<v Speaker 1>reason for it. But that's why that's my thought.

1329
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:54.639
<v Speaker 2>And that's a great thought. And I love having a

1330
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:56.960
<v Speaker 2>line in the sand. I said that the whole time

1331
01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:00.000
<v Speaker 2>with the actual rules set that is the bracket match

1332
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.840
<v Speaker 2>making system and game changers. I love the line and

1333
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the rules set that gives us access to and it

1334
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:08.639
<v Speaker 2>works like Watsi's demonstrated with data that it fucking works.

1335
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.559
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it. The problem that I

1336
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:17.320
<v Speaker 2>have is something like food Chain is color restrictive yep,

1337
01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:20.039
<v Speaker 2>so it only goes in green decks, green X decks.

1338
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:23.199
<v Speaker 2>The man I can only spent be spent to do

1339
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:26.679
<v Speaker 2>creature shit right, and you have to exile the creature yep.

1340
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.119
<v Speaker 2>And with FYREXI alter get man of any color like

1341
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.719
<v Speaker 2>food chain, right, you only have to sacrifice, so there's

1342
01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:37.760
<v Speaker 2>actually more combos with frection Altar, and with Aschnod's Alter

1343
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:40.199
<v Speaker 2>you get two mana, so you can usually go man

1344
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:44.000
<v Speaker 2>a positive on your combo. It's it's like, I think

1345
01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:47.440
<v Speaker 2>all of these cards belong in the same boat or

1346
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:51.079
<v Speaker 2>none of them do ooh, And that's my line. If

1347
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:56.719
<v Speaker 2>food chain, then also Fyrexian Altar and also aschnods Alter.

1348
01:04:57.440 --> 01:04:59.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a proponent of adding more cards to the

1349
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:02.719
<v Speaker 2>game changers list. And somebody smarter than me, Like I

1350
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:05.639
<v Speaker 2>didn't think of the pross everything. Somebody smarter than me

1351
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:12.360
<v Speaker 2>was in charge of doing this. So it's like, maybe

1352
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.519
<v Speaker 2>there's more to it than than what what they said.

1353
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Maybe there's than what I say.

1354
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's even some corner cases that we're not thinking of.

1355
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:20.960
<v Speaker 1>But that's why I think food chain is probably on here.

1356
01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Nobody's doing fair shit with food chain either. I try

1357
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:25.920
<v Speaker 1>to say that I am, and I'm not.

1358
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:28.159
<v Speaker 2>I tried to do fair stuff with food chain and

1359
01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't.

1360
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Orishards. I understand this one too, for a lot of

1361
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:35.679
<v Speaker 1>the same reasons that like humility, right, It's just one

1362
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:40.679
<v Speaker 1>of those things that it just makes decks, it can

1363
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:43.519
<v Speaker 1>turn off other people's decks, it can just give you

1364
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 1>an overwhelming advantage right away. And I don't think it

1365
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.280
<v Speaker 1>should necessarily be a game changer in the same way

1366
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.519
<v Speaker 1>I think humility should be. But I understand why this

1367
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:54.039
<v Speaker 1>has been here because I'm certain I've certainly been salty

1368
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:56.920
<v Speaker 1>over an oor show. Oh yeah, for sure, right versus like, well, fuck,

1369
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:58.559
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck do I even do? Like you just

1370
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:01.360
<v Speaker 1>for free for doing whatever your deck is already doing.

1371
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:06.760
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that's exactly just for virtually no drawback

1372
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:10.480
<v Speaker 1>to you. You're just undoing everything that I do. I

1373
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 1>can't even save up treasure tokens because Celesnia is making

1374
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:18.239
<v Speaker 1>too many creatures for anything that I'm doing. Yeah, I

1375
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.440
<v Speaker 1>can see why that would be a problem.

1376
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:23.519
<v Speaker 2>There's little cost for me to put a Orisards in

1377
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:27.760
<v Speaker 2>my deck and just do what I do to not

1378
01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:28.639
<v Speaker 2>ruin your game.

1379
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah, And it's and there's no reason to not

1380
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:33.480
<v Speaker 1>do it, right, Like, oh well, I'll play my god,

1381
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh I won't kill your thing? Why not? Why are

1382
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:38.679
<v Speaker 1>you playing Richards Oristards for the record as an enchantment

1383
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:41.320
<v Speaker 1>for White Green one Whenever a creature comes into play,

1384
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 1>you may kill target, artifact or enchatment. It's a may. Yeah,

1385
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:47.719
<v Speaker 1>it's amay for the sliver that does the same thing,

1386
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:48.360
<v Speaker 1>not a may.

1387
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:52.960
<v Speaker 2>For the record, play this card, yes, or don't. Field

1388
01:06:52.960 --> 01:06:55.239
<v Speaker 2>of the Dead. Oh my god, I'm I'm puzzled.

1389
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I don't.

1390
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Because it's a land. It's a land. If it was

1391
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.039
<v Speaker 2>anything other than a land, the card would be fine.

1392
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.079
<v Speaker 2>But because it's there's no cost to put it in

1393
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:07.800
<v Speaker 2>your deck. It gives you manna sure, etb's tap, no color, Sure,

1394
01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:12.119
<v Speaker 2>don't care. It's a fucking land. It's a land, that's all.

1395
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:13.920
<v Speaker 2>That's the only thing we have to say. If you

1396
01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:16.760
<v Speaker 2>don't believe me, and Gavin said the same thing. If

1397
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.519
<v Speaker 2>you don't believe me, play against it or play with

1398
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:24.360
<v Speaker 2>it and understand in one game how it changes the game.

1399
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:28.559
<v Speaker 2>It's a land just like orishards, except lower cost because

1400
01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:31.320
<v Speaker 2>that represents a card. This is a land. It's not

1401
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:32.719
<v Speaker 2>even a card the land.

1402
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.639
<v Speaker 1>You could play this with your orishards, and every time

1403
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:37.639
<v Speaker 1>you play a land you get it too to and

1404
01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:38.920
<v Speaker 1>kill some of these shit.

1405
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing it.

1406
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's what this is.

1407
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think of that until just now. Thanks thanks

1408
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Game Changers List for making me human scum A how

1409
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:51.000
<v Speaker 2>else can I be scum? Oh? Spend five thousand dollars?

1410
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Yay? Is you can spend more money than you'll ever

1411
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:55.119
<v Speaker 1>spend it a magic card in your life. Yeah, we

1412
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:57.480
<v Speaker 1>talked about this one on the pre show. So if

1413
01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:01.400
<v Speaker 1>you want to hear like a deep talk about this,

1414
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:03.480
<v Speaker 1>you want.

1415
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:04.960
<v Speaker 2>To do a deep workshop on something.

1416
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:07.920
<v Speaker 1>If you're listening to this show, just close your eyes

1417
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.239
<v Speaker 1>unless you're driving, and just think, when was the last

1418
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.480
<v Speaker 1>time you even saw Mesh's workshop in real life?

1419
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Fuck, I'm closing my eyes when I'm driving on the

1420
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:16.880
<v Speaker 2>way home. Right, Thanks for reminding me.

1421
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen one in real life that wasn't at

1422
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.720
<v Speaker 1>a vendor in I'll bet you a decade. Ryan saw

1423
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:28.199
<v Speaker 1>one at our first Las Vegas trip six years ago.

1424
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a single human being that owns a

1425
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:32.279
<v Speaker 1>physical copy of this item.

1426
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:36.720
<v Speaker 2>My buddy Mitch, who gifted me, does he still have it?

1427
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Probably because we don't know.

1428
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:40.640
<v Speaker 1>That that guy sells cards all the time. That's why

1429
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I have Foyle City of Brasses. Hey, let's go this

1430
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.119
<v Speaker 1>because a Mitch, So I don't know, I think that

1431
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:48.000
<v Speaker 1>This is just kind of here because it says tap

1432
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:50.600
<v Speaker 1>ad three man on it, and it doesn't. It's not

1433
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:53.840
<v Speaker 1>followed by then sacket or and then it deals ten

1434
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:56.560
<v Speaker 1>damage to you. That's what I think.

1435
01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:58.039
<v Speaker 2>This is on the game dangerlist for I got. I

1436
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:02.720
<v Speaker 2>got one last thing. If Mischer's Workshop is not banned

1437
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:06.880
<v Speaker 2>in Commander Free, Jeweled Lotus, there.

1438
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.279
<v Speaker 1>You go, there, it is there, it is.

1439
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:10.960
<v Speaker 2>It's my hill and I will die on it, and

1440
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:11.399
<v Speaker 2>so will you.

1441
01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Jewel Lotus and Preducer Gary, sure will. Jewel Lotus has

1442
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:19.640
<v Speaker 1>a much narrower field of purpose than yeah, workshop do Yeah,

1443
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:21.359
<v Speaker 1>and the windows that's crazy. I wonder if they can

1444
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:21.640
<v Speaker 1>hear that.

1445
01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:23.439
<v Speaker 2>On that Yeah, we should go before the building blows.

1446
01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:25.399
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a card for a car doing

1447
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:27.079
<v Speaker 1>burnouts on the street. It turns out it's just the

1448
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:28.319
<v Speaker 1>wind blown past the building.

1449
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:31.359
<v Speaker 2>We didn't talk about like half of the stuff that

1450
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to talk about with decks that we're going

1451
01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:37.199
<v Speaker 2>to play and changes to the format at large and

1452
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:38.960
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. So maybe that's a next week or

1453
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:39.760
<v Speaker 2>pre show topic.

1454
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's so that'll be our next show.

1455
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, any final words.

1456
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:45.479
<v Speaker 1>I think we said our final words in the middle.

1457
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:50.199
<v Speaker 1>I think so far, as far as we've gone on this,

1458
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:53.319
<v Speaker 1>I think that these are positive changes. I don't think

1459
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that it's gonna surprise anybody or make anybody mad. Nobody's

1460
01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna quit magic over this one. And I think at

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<v Speaker 1>a top I think it's giving some new tools for

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<v Speaker 1>the CDCH guys to play that aren't just going to

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<v Speaker 1>blow the format up. And I think in a very

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<v Speaker 1>casual sense, we've secured some of the gray area in

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<v Speaker 1>lower casual tiers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that there's some cards that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to play with now that they maybe

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<v Speaker 1>weren't before because they're sticking very tightly to the bracket

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<v Speaker 1>system and cool. So I think that so far this

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<v Speaker 1>has been pretty good. We'll talk about big changes. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about all those sorts of things next week. Head

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<v Speaker 1>on over to patreon dot com slash CEO Podcast if

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to support the show. Every little bit helps ed.

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<v Speaker 1>It will get you in to be in the CEO

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<v Speaker 1>experience and the best discord in the history of magic,

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<v Speaker 1>the gathering. I will also die on that ill. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in there wants to notus on band, even if they

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<v Speaker 1>say they don't. YEP, it's because it's opposite day all

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<v Speaker 1>the time in the nation. Get finger blasted, have a

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<v Speaker 1>great time there. Thank you very much to Ryan, to

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<v Speaker 1>you for watching, for Gary for listening to us, for

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are waiting outside to come in and

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<v Speaker 1>do the next episode of your show. And we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be back with the next episode of our show,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Commander cook Out Podcast in our theme.

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<v Speaker 3>So