Speaker 1: My Billy cunning into Great America. Welcome this glorious Tuesday
Speaker 1: after and the Tri State Reds Baseball kicks off about
Speaker 1: five forty nine temperatures up to seventy two degrees. Things
Speaker 1: that looked been great. Of course, yesterday morning it was
Speaker 1: announced that Pope Francis had died. The two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty seventh Pope is gone, and I thought, for some reason.
Speaker 1: An hour or two later, I thought about Brian Tom,
Speaker 1: because I found myself on a Sunday checking out Chick
Speaker 1: fil A on a Sunday, which I found out that's
Speaker 1: a stupid move. But as I got to Chick fil A,
Speaker 1: there was a line going in and out of Crossroads.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, the thousands and thousands attending Crossroads. So
Speaker 1: I thought, Brian Tome's not been on for many, many months.
Speaker 1: Brian Tom, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And
Speaker 1: Brian Tom, how are you, William?
Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty good. I was wondering if I wasn't
Speaker 2: a good enough American for you. You're don't call me anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, I just thought of you when I thought about
Speaker 1: the Pope. Now tell me, first of all, as a
Speaker 1: member of cross Roads, in fact, the founder of Crossroads.
Speaker 1: You're like Saint Peter upon that rock Christ has built
Speaker 1: his church. Can you tell me the reaction to feeling
Speaker 1: of Crossroads on the passing of the Catholic Pope.
Speaker 2: Well, we certainly don't celebrate in anybody's death, especially somebody
Speaker 2: who has done his best to defend the faith and
Speaker 2: defend who God is. His best his ability so seemed
Speaker 2: like a good, loving man. I didn't really know that
Speaker 2: much about him, but I know his heart was in
Speaker 2: the right place, and I trust he's with the Good
Speaker 2: Lord right now.
Speaker 1: As far as his death. Can you tell the American
Speaker 1: people if somebody would say to you, maybe at the
Speaker 1: Pearly Gates, what is the difference between Crossroads and Roman Catholicism,
Speaker 1: what would be your answer?
Speaker 2: Oh? Gosh, Well, it's hard to answer that because if
Speaker 2: you talk about official Catholic theology, it doesn't necessarily line
Speaker 2: up with what some of the priests teach, or with
Speaker 2: a lot of people who go with the Catholic Church believe.
Speaker 2: But but in essence, uh, the Bible teaches and we
Speaker 2: believe across Roads and Catholics do as well, that when
Speaker 2: you when you die there's one question, and one question alone,
Speaker 2: that is why should I let you into heaven? And
Speaker 2: the answer, the correct answer is Jesus. That's the answer.
Speaker 2: Because Jesus died on the cross, He took all of
Speaker 2: our sins put it on his back. So you and I, bill,
Speaker 2: anybody's received perceived Christ, we never have to worry about
Speaker 2: being condemned by God and we go to see Him.
Speaker 2: In fact, Roman says there's therefore now no condemnation for
Speaker 2: those whom in Christ Jesus. So anybody who's in Christ Jesus,
Speaker 2: you get to heaven because of what Jesus has done,
Speaker 2: not because what you have done. Now official Catholic theology,
Speaker 2: I believe, and I'm not a Catholic, and I haven't
Speaker 2: studied in a Catholic seminary, but there's an intermediary period,
Speaker 2: a holding zone, if you will, place to do penance,
Speaker 2: a place to be in limbo, place to be kind
Speaker 2: of atoning for your sins and working work in your
Speaker 2: self off to get yourself ready. And I just don't
Speaker 2: think the scriptures teach that it's purgatory.
Speaker 1: In other words, I guess if you committed a bunch
Speaker 1: of misdemeanors, or some traffic tickets. You gotta go to
Speaker 1: purgatory for a while in state of grace, and then
Speaker 1: you get to go upstairs. And I guess one of
Speaker 1: the big issues that I have is what do you
Speaker 1: say for most of the world, the great bulk of
Speaker 1: the world has no conception of Jesus Christ. There's no
Speaker 1: conception of Christianity, of the Pope's Apostles, the Epistles, maybe
Speaker 1: not even the Bible. The great majority of human beings
Speaker 1: that have ever lived have not had that opportunity. What
Speaker 1: happens to those billions and billions of people.
Speaker 2: Well, I believe that we are judged according to what
Speaker 2: we know. So if you've been in a place where
Speaker 2: you've never had the opportunity to name Jesus, I assume
Speaker 2: there's going to be some sort of accommodation for that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hope so, I think. So it seems to be
Speaker 2: that way. Also when you talk to the thousands of people,
Speaker 2: or at least here the interviews that have A friend
Speaker 2: of mine, John Berkeley, has a best selling book on
Speaker 2: this in New York Times, who's interviewed two thousand people
Speaker 2: had near death experiences, and it seems like there's a
Speaker 2: consistent thing where there is a chance that some of
Speaker 2: them have that they actually reverse direction. That's not clearly
Speaker 2: communicating the Bible, But you know, I don't know it's
Speaker 2: clearly said that that can't happen either. In the end, Bill,
Speaker 2: God does whatever he wants to do, and we're not God,
Speaker 2: and I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 1: As far as the thief on the good thief, so
Speaker 1: to speak, on the right side of the cross. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you a story about my brother, John Cunningham, who
Speaker 1: died about four years ago. You never met practicing Roman
Speaker 1: Catholic Saint Saviors. Went to Burcell High School, top of
Speaker 1: his class, scholarship Michigan State, goes to Michigan State, completely
Speaker 1: falls away from the faith or any Christian faith, ends
Speaker 1: up in Alaska. I had no contact with my brother,
Speaker 1: who was a darling soul, a great character. For decades
Speaker 1: go by, have no connection whatsoever. Every now in the
Speaker 1: letter might come to my mom, where's John Well, he's
Speaker 1: in Alaska? Where's John Well? He's in Japan? And I
Speaker 1: said to my mom how to get to Japan? And
Speaker 1: he said he woke up one morning and said there
Speaker 1: was a Shinto shrine near Kyota that was beckoning him,
Speaker 1: and I thought, my mom doesn't kid very much. I said, well,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? He said. He got up and
Speaker 1: he read ancient Shinto sanscript and he wanted to learn Japanese.
Speaker 1: So he spent six months learning Japanese. Ended up in
Speaker 1: a shrine near Kyoto, Japan, and one way ticket and
Speaker 1: spent six months eight months there interacting with it with
Speaker 1: the locals in Japan, and they thought he was a prophet.
Speaker 1: He looked like Santa Claus, he wore the robes and
Speaker 1: he was talking about Shinto in the religion. After six
Speaker 1: months it got two out of hand. He can went
Speaker 1: back to Alaska, ended up traveling around the country. Didn't
Speaker 1: practice any faith of which I'm familiar with until the
Speaker 1: end of his life. So I'm with him and UC
Speaker 1: Medical Center for the last three or four months of
Speaker 1: his life. You know how that goes, surgery operas, kidney cancer,
Speaker 1: this and that, And about a month before his death,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting with him. I get there about three thirty
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, and we had a great relationship at
Speaker 1: the end, and it reminded me of the good thief.
Speaker 1: And my brother looked at me. I'm holding his hand
Speaker 1: and he called me Chief, and he said, Chief, I'm
Speaker 1: afraid I'm going to go to hell. And I've never
Speaker 1: had a discussion with my brother about heaven or earth
Speaker 1: or religion, never had a never discussed it with him.
Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean? He said, I've done
Speaker 1: things in my life I shouldn't have done, and I'm
Speaker 1: away from the Lord. And I said, what do you
Speaker 1: want me to do? He said, get me a priest?
Speaker 1: I said, Shinto, or can you get me a Catholic priest?
Speaker 1: And I'm close to Father Anthony Brows and to father
Speaker 1: that runs our Lady of Victory. Father Ben is great.
Speaker 1: So I got a hold of Father Ben, who came down.
Speaker 1: He gave him a confession, and he gave him the
Speaker 1: last rites holy Communion. And from that point on my
Speaker 1: brother had a peace. And I would like to think
Speaker 1: that he didn't live his life in such a way
Speaker 1: that would condemn to hell for eternity. I think he
Speaker 1: had several marriages and did some things he shouldn't have done.
Speaker 1: But he was a gentle and a loving soul. But
Speaker 1: he reminded me of the good thief that how is
Speaker 1: it possible Brian tom that you can live your life
Speaker 1: apart from the faith, apart from any religion, then at
Speaker 1: the end you make one good decision. The good thief
Speaker 1: on the cross, who wasn't baptized, had no religion, led
Speaker 1: a horrible life, but at the end he walked through
Speaker 1: the pearly gates with Jesus Christ of Nazareth. How's it
Speaker 1: fair that someone like you can spend decades bringing so
Speaker 1: many into the flock of crossroads, then someone else walks
Speaker 1: into the pearly gates at the end of his life.
Speaker 1: Is that fair?
Speaker 2: Billy? You're man, you're serving me up some stuff. I
Speaker 2: want to hit every pitcher give me. He gave me
Speaker 2: a five pitches there. So let me start back at Shintoism.
Speaker 2: Shintoism is not going to do you anything as relates
Speaker 2: to God. In fact, it's going to take you away
Speaker 2: from God. That's what's known in the Bible as a
Speaker 2: false God. That's known as an idol. God abhores false
Speaker 2: gods and idols. So that's not going to do you anything.
Speaker 2: It's only gonna it's only gonna hurt you if you
Speaker 2: believe in heaven, which we know about Heaven built because
Speaker 2: of the Bible. That's how we know about heaven. The
Speaker 2: concept of heaven is in no other religion unless it's
Speaker 2: a later religion after Christianity that borrowed from it. Now,
Speaker 2: having said that, it sounds like your brother may have
Speaker 2: had a classic conversion experience with the priest there at
Speaker 2: the end, he seems like it has the marks, yes,
Speaker 2: marks of the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faith,
Speaker 2: and self control, all those kind of things. So that's good.
Speaker 2: So what I would say about the what is just?
Speaker 2: What is fair? The thing that I think the Catholics
Speaker 2: are trying to get right, at least ancient Catholics who
Speaker 2: believe in purgates were. What they're trying to get right
Speaker 2: is how do we settle the scales here? If God
Speaker 2: is just, surely it just doesn't mean someone goes to
Speaker 2: Hell or someone goes to heaven. Hell is a is
Speaker 2: God's justice system. But justice also means appropriate reward, and
Speaker 2: there are multiple examples in the Bible where God talks
Speaker 2: about unique rewards in heaven. Mother Teresa in heaven has
Speaker 2: completely different, higher, more rewards than the thief. Actually, the
Speaker 2: original language, I think is a malefactor does on the cross.
Speaker 2: This guy I find very encouraging. He doesn't do anything
Speaker 2: that we think a Christian should do. He doesn't volunteer,
Speaker 2: he doesn't tithe, he doesn't go to a new members class,
Speaker 2: he doesn't he doesn't mouth the right. Theology always says
Speaker 2: that Jesus is remember me when you when, when when
Speaker 2: you get to your throne, And Jesus says today, today, today,
Speaker 2: he'll be in paradise. So that guy immediately was in
Speaker 2: a paradise setting in heaven. But the house he lived in,
Speaker 2: the blessings he had would not have been the same
Speaker 2: as somebody who is faithful.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The strange thing about that people would say immediately, oh,
Speaker 2: that's horrible, that's awful. No, it's it's not horrible and
Speaker 2: awful because there's no tear in there's no sin in heaven,
Speaker 2: there's no jealousy in heaven, there's no covetous cys in heaven.
Speaker 2: So those who have less, less rewards are still going
Speaker 2: to be one hundred percent great, full of joy, close
Speaker 2: with the Lord Jesus, having an amazing time, and they're
Speaker 2: not going to be bemoaning and jealous and coveting the
Speaker 2: rewards somebody else has, because that's there's all of sin,
Speaker 2: and there is no effective sin in the Bible, or
Speaker 2: it's rather no effective sin in heaven.
Speaker 1: And some would say, Brian Tom there is no hell,
Speaker 1: because after all, God is merciful. And if someone living
Speaker 1: in the back reaches of Afghanistan or in the Congo
Speaker 1: had no relationship to Jesus whatsoever, it wouldn't be fair
Speaker 1: to send them to heaven or to that they're not
Speaker 1: in hell. But then I think Adolf Hitler, I think
Speaker 1: of Vladimir Putin, I think is jij al Ping. I
Speaker 1: think of the horrible things happening right now in Africa,
Speaker 1: especially in Nigeria, to Christians being buried alive and martyred
Speaker 1: by Islamic fundamentalists, killed by the thousands.
Speaker 4: Eyes.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you the question flat out. Is there a
Speaker 1: hell for people like Vladimir Putin?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a hell for people who are nice old
Speaker 2: ladies who make bake goods, for people who've never received Jesus. Yes,
Speaker 2: of course, yes, you get to heaven, not based on
Speaker 2: what you do. You get to heaven based on what
Speaker 2: Jesus has done. He says on the cross, it's finished
Speaker 2: He goes to the cross to satisfy the penalty. That's
Speaker 2: why he goes. So if we reject that, reject him,
Speaker 2: we're rejecting that life we've chosen that that's what we've
Speaker 2: chosen to do, And there has to be some justicism
Speaker 2: and the cosmos now that if you believe in reincarnation,
Speaker 2: the justice system as well. I get to come back
Speaker 2: the next life, and I work myself higher and higher
Speaker 2: up the change, so I get the brass ring. I
Speaker 2: keep doing it till I earn my salvation. Salvation comes
Speaker 2: to the grace of Jesus. It comes because he just
Speaker 2: says I got you, and you can't do anything about
Speaker 2: it other than receiving. He's good, he's loving, He'll take
Speaker 2: anybody at any time. And it's not what you do,
Speaker 2: it's what he has done.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: When I drive around crossroads, I've been there one time.
Speaker 1: Are you inviting me for a Christmas spectacular? I was
Speaker 1: amazed at the thousands and thousands of cars. Before you
Speaker 1: and your band of renegade showed up about twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago from Pittsburgh, there was no crossroads. It didn't exist.
Speaker 1: If you could look back from the first time you
Speaker 1: drove into into Oakley until today's date. Would you be
Speaker 1: satisfied with what you've done?
Speaker 2: Oh? I would have been stunned. It's gone way beyond
Speaker 2: anything we would have thought of when we started in
Speaker 2: a rented middle school in Hyde Park. Utterly stunned. So yeah,
Speaker 2: pinch ourselves that God has chosen us worthy to be
Speaker 2: used to some degree. But am I satisfied now? Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm not satisfied now. No, no, I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 2: not satisfied. And so every single person Cincinnati has a
Speaker 2: vibrant relationship with their creator, every single one. Now, the
Speaker 2: good news is it looks like, from what I'm seeing
Speaker 2: with studies and surveys, that America is starting to bounce
Speaker 2: back towards God. We're starting to realize that the godless,
Speaker 2: godless worldview that says, well, there was blackness and there
Speaker 2: was go and now there's you isn't working. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: why we have such epidemic proportions of fear and anxiety,
Speaker 2: because if you don't believe that there's a divine being
Speaker 2: that has your back, you dam' well better be afraid.
Speaker 2: You absolutely should be anxious because you don't have any
Speaker 2: Backstop people like you or I, Bill, or anybody receives Jesus.
Speaker 2: There's a backstop for us. We walk in confidence. We
Speaker 2: know that our worth is based on what he says
Speaker 2: our worth is. And he says, you're worth me dying
Speaker 2: for you. That's the worth. It's like the ultimate illustration
Speaker 2: for me is if I call you up and you
Speaker 2: have a mortgage and I say, Bill, how much is
Speaker 2: is your mortgage? And you say whatever the amount is?
Speaker 2: And I say, well, the thing is, Bill, somebody walked
Speaker 2: in the bank and paid off your mortgage. And then
Speaker 2: if I said, well, so how much do you owe?
Speaker 2: Well the answer, well, I gotta find that. No, you
Speaker 2: owe nothing. You know, your mortgage is paid off. Jesus
Speaker 2: pays the debt. The debt paid, and that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Is more expected from people like you as supposed expected
Speaker 1: from someone who lives in the central part of Africa?
Speaker 4: Unknown?
Speaker 1: In other words, is the expectations of Jesus higher for
Speaker 1: Brian Tome than for other people?
Speaker 2: In a sense, I hear people say, well, you have
Speaker 2: to live by a different standard, as if I can't
Speaker 2: have a beer and other people can. That's not what
Speaker 2: That's not true. What is true is to who much
Speaker 2: is given, much is required. So when I have been
Speaker 2: entrusted the number of people that we have across Roads,
Speaker 2: and I've been entrusted the amazing amount of generosity dollars
Speaker 2: that people give, God expects that to be put into
Speaker 2: play and honor him. And so yeah, I think I'm
Speaker 2: held to a different standard and that I've got more
Speaker 2: stuff to take care of and to put into place
Speaker 2: for the Kingdom of God. And if I don't, God's
Speaker 2: not gonna be happy. And I'm gonna hear about it.
Speaker 1: How many members across Roads are They're currently about members.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have official members offer roles. If you
Speaker 2: if you said how many people call Crossroads home, it's
Speaker 2: about fifty thousand. If you said how many people came
Speaker 2: to Easter, it's I haven't had the final numbers. We
Speaker 2: were praying for sixty, so sixty got somewhere around there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then every week you got people who were in
Speaker 2: a who were you know, in a site, or they're
Speaker 2: streaming from someplace around the country. So it's really hard
Speaker 2: to say. And that's fine. We're not here to count
Speaker 2: noses and buck bracks for We're here to bless anybody.
Speaker 1: We can Brian Tom, thank you. I'm glad were hooked
Speaker 1: up again. I'm I guess it was the post passing
Speaker 1: that brought us together. Will you acknowledge in any way
Speaker 1: the passing of Pope Francis.
Speaker 2: Uh, well right now and say, I'm sad in he's passed,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad he lived his life as faithfully as
Speaker 2: he could. But we won't have a thing across roads
Speaker 2: that recognizes that. All right, Brian, that's not an anti
Speaker 2: Catholic thing. We didn't do something that recognized Billy Graham either.
Speaker 2: It's like, great, those people who are dead in heaven,
Speaker 2: they don't want to be celebrated, move on. They're like,
Speaker 2: get all the words go and to whom.
Speaker 1: Much is given, from whom much is expected. And I
Speaker 1: would say, Brian Tom is kind of have a good
Speaker 1: ledger in that regard. I hope one day to see
Speaker 1: you in heaven above. And I want to ask you
Speaker 1: if we got thirty seconds remaining. Is the true burial
Speaker 1: side of Jesus? Was it in the Garden tomb or
Speaker 1: in the Holy Sepulcher Church.
Speaker 2: It was in the Holy Seppler Church, no question. It
Speaker 2: doesn't feel that way because it's hyper religious. No question,
Speaker 2: it's there. It's not the garden to him, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Brian Tom, thank you very much, thank you.
Speaker 2: Ah right, Bill, We'll see a brother.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with more. Brian Tom, one of the leaders
Speaker 1: of the Christian faith here in Greater Cincinnati, and let's
Speaker 1: continue with more. Red Spaceball kicks off about five forty
Speaker 1: on news radio seven hundred WLW by Billy Cunningham, the
Speaker 1: Great American and some exciting news this morning. Came out
Speaker 1: to the Hamny County Commission's office headed up by Disney's
Speaker 1: tree House and about a agreement with the Bengals. The
Speaker 1: Memoran of Understanding has been signed. You may know the
Speaker 1: last few weeks I had on Matt Huffman, Speaker of
Speaker 1: the House, loan with others who are saying, well, we're
Speaker 1: not going to move until we see if the county
Speaker 1: and the Bengals actually have a deal joining you and
Speaker 1: I now is Denise tree House, Hamny County Commissioner. Denise,
Speaker 1: can you tell the American people this afternoon kind of
Speaker 1: the memo of understanding and what it means for the
Speaker 1: Bengals to taxpayers and the American people kind of give
Speaker 1: us an overview.
Speaker 5: So the memorandum of understanding is about a one hundred
Speaker 5: and twenty million dollar investment between the team and the
Speaker 5: NFL into the county's asset, which is the stadium. The
Speaker 5: county is in for some of that as well, but
Speaker 5: we're going to do some of the improvements that have
Speaker 5: been identified through this master plan. You know, it's about
Speaker 5: elevators and escalators and plazas, seats and all the things
Speaker 5: that we need to do. But for the first time ever,
Speaker 5: the NFL is participating in that financial stack and the
Speaker 5: team is in substantially too. So it's a good day
Speaker 5: for the tax players because we're leveraging our money with
Speaker 5: the NFL and the team to get stuff done in
Speaker 5: that stadium.
Speaker 1: Now, how does this relate to the extension of the
Speaker 1: lease or a new lease, Because the last time I
Speaker 1: had you on about a week or ten days ago,
Speaker 1: you said it would be a downer if somehow the
Speaker 1: Bangals would exercise the two year option in a month
Speaker 1: or two, that would be a downer. How does that
Speaker 1: impact that extension?
Speaker 4: It doesn't.
Speaker 5: I mean the least extension that we were talking about
Speaker 5: is we're ongoing negotiations about that. We're at the table
Speaker 5: with the team. But this, I mean, if you look
Speaker 5: at it on its space, it's certainly a good sign
Speaker 5: that they are using their money, in the NFL's money
Speaker 5: to do these improvements. They got this money a while back.
Speaker 5: We need to move on it to make sure we
Speaker 5: can get it done by next year. And so that
Speaker 5: is the timing element here, but it's really important. It's
Speaker 5: part of the larger stack of projects, and so it's
Speaker 5: important that we leverage the NFL and the team's money
Speaker 5: to get this stuff done. You mentioned something else, and
Speaker 5: I want to dig in just a tiny bit about
Speaker 5: the process at the state level, because I've been asked, well,
Speaker 5: you know you didn't get in the budget. Well, let
Speaker 5: me correct that and say we did get in the budget.
Speaker 5: It was the governor's version of the budget where he
Speaker 5: put in the gaming fee for sports facilities. So that
Speaker 5: was us in the budget. It went to the House.
Speaker 2: The House took that out.
Speaker 5: Of the budget and put something different in for the Haslams.
Speaker 5: And now we're over on the Senate side negotiating the
Speaker 5: same thing. And so I don't know what's going to
Speaker 5: come out of the Senate, but I think it will
Speaker 5: be different from the governor's version or the House's version.
Speaker 1: One I had on Matt Hoffman. He said that the
Speaker 1: Haslam deal is different because in the HASLM. Browns deal,
Speaker 1: it's brand new money in some cornfield in southern Calahoga County,
Speaker 1: like two and a half three billion. The Bengal deal
Speaker 1: was different because it's an upgradest renovation that may generate
Speaker 1: a little bit of additional income. But Matt Hoffman is
Speaker 1: saying that the taxpayer can't be on the hook for
Speaker 1: any of these improvements unless the plan has shown that
Speaker 1: it's going to break even. So is the news dreat
Speaker 1: house saying that the plan is going to break even
Speaker 1: to the taxpayer.
Speaker 5: Well, listen, I don't want to be penalized because we
Speaker 5: did twenty years ago what Cyahoga is doing now. I
Speaker 5: mean that that's that's not fair. And so you know,
Speaker 5: for the and by the way, Cyahoga County and the
Speaker 5: City of Cleveland are not on board with the HASLM deal.
Speaker 5: So I just want to be really clear that the
Speaker 5: team that Cincinnati Bengals and the county commissioners are on
Speaker 5: the same page. That is not the case in northern Ohio.
Speaker 5: And I just want to point that out because I
Speaker 5: think it's important. But why would you know, we tick
Speaker 5: off forty million dollars for the state every year on
Speaker 5: the banks and that's the Bengals, it's the Reds, it's
Speaker 5: the collective. But why should we be penalized for that
Speaker 5: when it comes to, you know, funding these assets that
Speaker 5: have benefited the state all these years. I mean, that's
Speaker 5: that's not right. And so the scheme that they've come
Speaker 5: up with for the Hansloms doesn't fit what we're doing
Speaker 5: here in Hamilton County. And that's what we've said.
Speaker 4: To the speaker.
Speaker 5: I mean he heard us loud and clear. And so
Speaker 5: we're still, you know, working with the state to try
Speaker 5: to come up with something that works for everybody.
Speaker 1: Is this contingent? Is this one hundred and eighty four million,
Speaker 1: two thirds from the Bengals slash NFL about and one
Speaker 1: third from the Hamilton County? Is this contingent on a
Speaker 1: long term, long term deal?
Speaker 5: Are you talking about the MoU? Are you talking about
Speaker 5: the large term?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear the MoU. The one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: four million announced more or less today, say about one
Speaker 1: twenty from the Bengals, about sixty four from the county.
Speaker 1: Is that contingent on signing a long term deal or
Speaker 1: is that is that going to proceed?
Speaker 5: Nonetheless, it is proceeding now. But if we don't come
Speaker 5: to an agreement on a long term lease, then we
Speaker 5: can claw back and we can drop out of this
Speaker 5: deal that we just made. So we've got an out
Speaker 5: clause in there. But you know, as you know, Lily,
Speaker 5: I'm an optimist, and so I shouldn't be. And so
Speaker 5: right now we've been meeting with the Bengals. We're working
Speaker 5: this together. We're working in collaboration on this MoU and
Speaker 5: also at the state level, and.
Speaker 4: So you know, so far, so good.
Speaker 5: But we do have a provision in here that we
Speaker 5: can get out of it if need be.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And so the Bengals fans to show up
Speaker 1: in August for a preseason game or September, that's only
Speaker 1: about five six months away. Will anything be seen at
Speaker 1: that point?
Speaker 5: Well, we're always doing renovations, but these projects that are
Speaker 5: in here, the reason we had to do it this
Speaker 5: week or next it's actually going to be next week
Speaker 5: is that there's so much lead time because of the
Speaker 5: nature of the projects. And so these projects are going
Speaker 5: to go online in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: All right, twenty twenty six waiting are you twenty twenty six?
Speaker 1: Which you know? Are you optimistic that the Bengals were
Speaker 1: not exercised a two year but rather seek a long
Speaker 1: term deal. You're at the table, You're meeting with Katie
Speaker 1: and Troy, and I guess Mike Brown and others, the lawyers,
Speaker 1: et cetera and Gableman. Are you optimistic the Bengals want
Speaker 1: to do a long term deal and not a stop gap.
Speaker 5: I am hopeful that we will come to a long
Speaker 5: term deal by the end of the deadline. That's what
Speaker 5: I'm now. They can exercise the extension of the current
Speaker 5: leis that is not good for the county or the taxpayers,
Speaker 5: and so I'm hopeful that we don't get to that point,
Speaker 5: but rather have a long term deal instead.
Speaker 1: When I spoke to you about ten days ago, you
Speaker 1: kind of said one third from the county, one third
Speaker 1: from the state, one third from the Bengal slash NFL.
Speaker 1: Is that still there? Because I sent on to Matt Huffin,
Speaker 1: by the way, the stories, and I'm sure you're in
Speaker 1: contact with him, But nonetheless, is that still the deal?
Speaker 1: From your mind? One third state, one third Bengals, one
Speaker 1: third county.
Speaker 5: So we've always talked about this as a third to third,
Speaker 5: a third. I mean it's fluid, a little fluid. I mean,
Speaker 5: don't hold me two the exec numbers. But yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean I think that's the idea that it's a stack
Speaker 5: that works for the taxpayers and you know, works to
Speaker 5: make sure that facility is upgraded to the level we
Speaker 5: need it to be because it's not only about the games.
Speaker 5: It's about concerts and football games, high school football games
Speaker 5: and other events and making that thing more accessible. And
Speaker 5: so it's a good you know, it's it's it's something
Speaker 5: we need to do for the general public. But yeah,
Speaker 5: we've always talked about this in the third of third
Speaker 5: to third, and that's what we're shooting for.
Speaker 1: The first phase is eight thirty renovation for the pay corps,
Speaker 1: with three to four phases rolling out through twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Anticipated the cost of a two hundred and ten million
Speaker 1: per phase. So when you talk about this phase in
Speaker 1: the MoU, this is one of four phases. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, and a good point that this is
Speaker 5: not money that's utilized all in one year. I mean,
Speaker 5: we can't. We don't have a expacity to do that,
Speaker 5: and so it rolls out over five years or so.
Speaker 5: And so it's not and this is important to know
Speaker 5: about the state. It's not like we're asking the state, Hey,
Speaker 5: give us all of that money upfront to participate in
Speaker 5: this financial sect. It's a burn, right, It goes over
Speaker 5: a few years, and so that's yeah, that's the nature
Speaker 5: of what we're looking for here.
Speaker 1: Lastly, are you working toward the idea that the county
Speaker 1: will control the events more than the Bengals with the
Speaker 1: veto power? Will that veto power be gone?
Speaker 5: We are looking to get something in the new lease
Speaker 5: that gives us the ability to bring more events into
Speaker 5: that stadium to the benefit of the taxpayers. We're not
Speaker 5: doing it now, and we need to do it.
Speaker 1: And when will you sign the deal the MoU When
Speaker 1: would that be done?
Speaker 5: We're shooting for next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Next Tuesday, all right, Denise, congratulations? We think is it
Speaker 1: premature to say congratulations?
Speaker 5: I want to say, Willie, this is a new look.
Speaker 5: We've never had the NFL give us any money for
Speaker 5: our stadium before, and the team's participating in a big
Speaker 5: way here, So yeah, I think it's good.
Speaker 3: News, all right.
Speaker 1: Denise tree House, thank you very much. I know you're
Speaker 1: in meetings, but thanks for coming on this afternoon of
Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show. Denise, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Thanks clearly God Bush.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with more. Well, there it is. And you
Speaker 1: might recall when I had on Madam Adam Byrd. Sloaney
Speaker 1: had on Senator Blessing, then I had on the Speaker
Speaker 1: of the House, then I had on the Governor. And
Speaker 1: this is fluid. Underline the word fluid, because in the
Speaker 1: Governor's budget submitted to the House there was money for
Speaker 1: the Bengals and the House because of the increase in
Speaker 1: the so called syntaxes. The House took out the syntaxes.
Speaker 1: They're not in the business of increasing taxes and took
Speaker 1: out the Bengals deal. Matt Hoffman was with you and
Speaker 1: I about a week ago in which he said we're
Speaker 1: not going to put money into a deal unless the
Speaker 1: taxpayer breaks even. And based upon that more discussions are
Speaker 1: being held. And I guess then each tree House's point
Speaker 1: is this that the Bengals deal was is fresh money,
Speaker 1: but don't hold out against Hambleton County. Be goes twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago this would have been a fresh deal.
Speaker 1: Now this stadium needs to be upgraded. This is one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four million dollars one of four phases.
Speaker 1: And in the first phase, NFL and the Bengals are
Speaker 1: putting up one hundred and twenty million and the county
Speaker 1: is putting up sixty four that's about two thirds on
Speaker 1: the Bengals and one third in the county. Is that
Speaker 1: good news? Many people think so. And the Bengals and
Speaker 1: the NFL and the Hamley County and the city wants
Speaker 1: the state lawmakers to treat the Bengals in the city
Speaker 1: in an equitable and fair fashion compared to the compared
Speaker 1: to the Browns and Jimmy Haslam. And you know, up
Speaker 1: to this point, we've not had much sway over Columbus
Speaker 1: because they don't think Cincinnati is part of the state
Speaker 1: almost And now it's just like Covington doesn't act as
Speaker 1: if Frankfurt thinks they're part of Kentucky. But will continue.
Speaker 1: This is a positive. So much negativity running around this
Speaker 1: is a positive. Ill Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW by Billy Cunningham, The Great America, And
Speaker 1: we have coming up in about ten min John Zinzer,
Speaker 1: he is with the group opposing this massive development on
Speaker 1: Hyde Park Square. I think all of us. I spend
Speaker 1: quite a bit of time in hyde Park Square and
Speaker 1: also in Mount lookout at Zips and Greaters, etc. Sitting
Speaker 1: in the park. It's kind of wonderful. I think Hyde
Speaker 1: Park is the jewel of the city of Cincinnati. And
Speaker 1: the developers come up with a concept which would be
Speaker 1: against the law unless council changes the law of a
Speaker 1: ninety room boutique hotel, one hundred and twenty unit apartment building,
Speaker 1: mix of retail and restaurant spaces, and also an underground
Speaker 1: parking garage of two to three hundred cars underground, and
Speaker 1: the Hyde Park Neighborhood councils unanimously against it, along with
Speaker 1: many other community councils representing about eighty thousand voters. I
Speaker 1: think the train is on the track. It might be
Speaker 1: too late, but this afternoon's starting about one o'clock. It
Speaker 1: was about three minutes from now. City Council is going
Speaker 1: to take it up through a committee called the Equitable
Speaker 1: Growth and Housing Committee, of which which all the members
Speaker 1: of council are a member of this under committee So
Speaker 1: if they all vote yes this afternoon, yes, that means
Speaker 1: tomorrow when they vote on the final deal, it'll be
Speaker 1: a done deal. Honestly, the development is maybe required, but
Speaker 1: it's way too large, way too big, completely out of whack.
Speaker 1: In fact, it calls for a ninety nine story tall
Speaker 1: building ninety foot tall building right now, Zonian calls for
Speaker 1: about a fifty six tall building, which is five levels,
Speaker 1: five stories. That this would throw shade all over Hyde
Speaker 1: Park Square, change the character forever. The residents are against it,
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, But I thought the purpose
Speaker 1: of elective representatives is to reflect the will of the
Speaker 1: American people they represent. Am I right or wrong about that?
Speaker 1: And this thing would go down eighty to twenty if
Speaker 1: it was put to a vote. But because of the
Speaker 1: city council we have, they may proceed. We'll find out
Speaker 1: in two or three hours plus tomorrow. Plus I want
Speaker 1: to thank again Denise Treehouse for coming on talking about
Speaker 1: the the supposed Bengals deal. Bengals are going to play
Speaker 1: pay about two thirds of the stop gap at pay
Speaker 1: Corps and the county about one third is of course,
Speaker 1: is all contingent on signing a long term lease, which
Speaker 1: needs to be done by June thirtieth of this year,
Speaker 1: what about nine weeks away, And if that's signed, then
Speaker 1: this deal jumps in and they begin upgrading the whole facility.
Speaker 1: But that also is contingent on the state of Ohio.
Speaker 1: That is Matt Huffman, and that is all the representative
Speaker 1: Senator Bill Blessing and others doing their part, which Denise
Speaker 1: Tree House wants to be about one third. So they
Speaker 1: still need about three hundred million dollars from the state.
Speaker 1: And if you listen to Matt Huffman, the Speaker of
Speaker 1: the House I had on last week, it doesn't look
Speaker 1: like that money is coming. But he said that if
Speaker 1: the NFL, the Bengals, and the county strike a deal,
Speaker 1: it's in writing. Let us know what you want us
Speaker 1: to put in, we'll take it up. So Hope Springs Eternal.
Speaker 1: Coming up next is John Zinzer with the Hyde Park
Speaker 1: Group that's opposing this huge development and it's being taken
Speaker 1: up in about ten seconds on City Council one o'clock
Speaker 1: Home of Your reds add at about five forty tonight
Speaker 1: A news radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati. Jill coming into
Speaker 1: Great America once again, Reds Baseball kicks off about five
Speaker 1: forty to night. First pitch about six forty. We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens in Miami, but big doings continuing this afternoon
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Headline in the inquiry Hyde Park Square development
Speaker 1: set for key vote today sometime by the guess is
Speaker 1: by three or four o'clock. And it's a key vote
Speaker 1: because the nine members of this particular Equitable Growth and
Speaker 1: Housing Committee are of course the same nine members on
Speaker 1: city Council. So after they vote to greenlight this thing,
Speaker 1: I would anticipate the vote which stay the same. Johan,
Speaker 1: you and I now is John Zenzer. He's one of
Speaker 1: the organizers of Save Hyde Park Square. And John Zenzer,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, John,
Speaker 1: can you tell the American people this Tuesday afternoon exactly
Speaker 1: what's happening later this afternoon and what it means for
Speaker 1: Hyde Park Square. Just give the American people an overview.
Speaker 3: Well, first thing is to say thanks to you for
Speaker 3: the opportunity. I'm really glad to be speaking with you.
Speaker 3: Here's what's happening this afternoon. The Equitoble Growth and Housing
Speaker 3: Committee will hear this ordinance it's the only thing on
Speaker 3: the docket for them. There's nothing else that's going to happen,
Speaker 3: and this ordinance is offering a planned development variance to
Speaker 3: a local developer who wants to drop a building the
Speaker 3: size of the container ship onto the south side of
Speaker 3: Hyde Park. They've Hyde Park Square and lots of other
Speaker 3: people do not want this to happen. There are more
Speaker 3: than fourteen of their neighborhood groups and four civic organizations
Speaker 3: who have written to the city officially having taken votes
Speaker 3: and said please do not do this, And yet it
Speaker 3: seems the city's going to press ahead. The last piece
Speaker 3: that needs to come across is Dave Hyde Park Square,
Speaker 3: the Hyde Park Neighborhood Council. No one is opposed to
Speaker 3: growth and development. Everybody's opposed to this development.
Speaker 1: So to be specific, that this large container ship is
Speaker 1: going to have a ninety room boutique hotel one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty unit against his owning, which is by illegal
Speaker 1: unless they change the zoning, which is today might happen
Speaker 1: a ninety room boutique hotel, one hundred and twenty unit
Speaker 1: apartment building, a mix of retail and restaurants, plus a
Speaker 1: large parking garage. Where's the parking garage going to go.
Speaker 3: Underground in a place that used to be a lake.
Speaker 3: That doesn't strike me as a great idea.
Speaker 1: How many how many? How many people have been parking
Speaker 1: in this large underground garage?
Speaker 4: Well they're talking.
Speaker 3: See this is one of the really key elements Bill.
Speaker 3: We actually don't know the way the rules work now
Speaker 3: for planned developments in this variance, they only have to
Speaker 3: provide a concept. So we actually you said one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty rooms, maybe might be one hundred and fifty,
Speaker 3: might be ninety. The hotel could be ninety rooms could
Speaker 3: be bigger if they get the plan development. The fact
Speaker 3: of the matter is almost anything can happen without any
Speaker 3: more public engagement or content.
Speaker 1: When I drive around Hyde Park, which I do quite often,
Speaker 1: I love going to Zips and driving over to Greaters
Speaker 1: look around. It's beautiful. I think it's the crown jewel
Speaker 1: of the city of Cincinnati, and the city council wants
Speaker 1: to change it. They say it's going to revive foot traffic,
Speaker 1: business activity, much needed housing falls in line with the
Speaker 1: goals of the city. The housing I anticipate is going
Speaker 1: to be extremely expensive. If you look for upscale apartments anymore.
Speaker 1: There's three to five thousand dollars a month. So how
Speaker 1: many more do you have an idea? How many thousands
Speaker 1: new people are going to come to hyde Park Square
Speaker 1: in order to shop and eat? Is that faired out yet?
Speaker 1: How many thousands of people are going to come every
Speaker 1: day to Hyde Park Square?
Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly clear that the developer says that, But
Speaker 3: the fact of the matter is that's really not clear whatsoever.
Speaker 3: The truth of the matter is, we don't even know
Speaker 3: what the rents are going to be there. If you
Speaker 3: take the rent from their closest other building, which is
Speaker 3: just less than a mile away, those rents start at
Speaker 3: three eight hundred dollars a month. Now, why would anybody
Speaker 3: come to Hyde Park Square. It's exactly the.
Speaker 1: Reasons you say.
Speaker 3: The local businesses that have been there for decades, The
Speaker 3: small local businesses on hyde Park Square have been there
Speaker 3: much longer than the national average. And people keep saying
Speaker 3: things like, but look, there's all these empty storefronts. All
Speaker 3: those empty storefronts are in the building the developer has
Speaker 3: bought and one by one, while maintaining the letter of
Speaker 3: the law of the least is they have moved people out.
Speaker 3: They are currently engaged in a lawsuit with one local
Speaker 3: business who's fighting them over being evicted effectively from their property.
Speaker 3: Why people come to Hyde Park Square, just as you said,
Speaker 3: is for the experience, the quality, the liveability, the way
Speaker 3: it feels. There are so many people I've talked to
Speaker 3: with stories about getting ice cream at that Greater's so
Speaker 3: many people who remember going to the movie theater, all
Speaker 3: kinds of things like that. It used to be, you know,
Speaker 3: when you were a boy bill that park. You could
Speaker 3: live without a car on that square. There were groceries,
Speaker 3: there were pharmacies. That's not the case anymore. Everything has
Speaker 3: been moved over to the malls, et cetera. A hide
Speaker 3: park has managed to survive because of the specialness of
Speaker 3: its feel. If this PD goes through, that feel is over.
Speaker 1: And the other issues. These empty businesses are a self
Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy. When the developer evects small businesses then go
Speaker 1: to city council and said, take a look, the population
Speaker 1: of Hyde Park Square is going down. It's a that's
Speaker 1: it's true, which is not true. And then also they're saying, well,
Speaker 1: after all there's empty businesses that their eviction coused and
Speaker 1: so talk about the population of Hyde Park. I think
Speaker 1: it's in pretty good shape. I love that little park
Speaker 1: in the middle. So empty businesses. You've addressed what about
Speaker 1: population going down in Hyde Park and City Council's got
Speaker 1: to step into help.
Speaker 3: That is exactly the key piece there, and we'll come
Speaker 3: back to that in just a second. While city population
Speaker 3: going into the two twenty twenty was dropping by about
Speaker 3: six percent, Hyde Park population actually went up by more
Speaker 3: than four percent. When the developer presented look at the
Speaker 3: number of businesses, they undercounted by almost half. We did
Speaker 3: a separate study to see how many businesses there were.
Speaker 3: We came up with approximately one hundred and fifty in
Speaker 3: the area. They talked about there being maybe ninety something
Speaker 3: less than that. It's really problematic in that regard small
Speaker 3: businesses have succeeded. The Hyde Park Business Association, the collection
Speaker 3: of those small businesses, is one of the civic organizations
Speaker 3: who opposes this. You would think if it was good
Speaker 3: for business, they would be for it. It's not good
Speaker 3: for business, and you're exactly right. The check and balance
Speaker 3: to this is what's been lost. City council has lost
Speaker 3: sight of the neighborhood inputs, the neighborhood councils, the local associations.
Speaker 4: Those are the.
Speaker 3: Groups of people who actually voted for them. What they've
Speaker 3: not lost sight of the bank accounts of the developers,
Speaker 3: the impact that that has on their reelectability, etc. Is
Speaker 3: something that's going to be put clearly on the table
Speaker 3: during this vote.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing, I found it incredible to think
Speaker 1: that there's going to be an underground parking garage in
Speaker 1: Hyde Park under a small lake, and you don't know
Speaker 1: if it's going to be fifty It has to be
Speaker 1: several hundred spots of underground parking, and most people today
Speaker 1: don't want to go to underground parking for any reason
Speaker 1: at all. But unless that is something that's not determined
Speaker 1: yet correct this afternoon, it's still not known.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely And see, this is the thing. City council
Speaker 3: is actually not voting on two hundred and fifty parking spots,
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty parking spots. They're not voting on
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty apartments, ninety hotel rooms. They're voting
Speaker 3: on what kind of city we want to live in.
Speaker 3: That parking structure is going to run into all kinds
Speaker 3: of complex problems of construction that are way past my abilities.
Speaker 3: But I have been told over and over again structural engineers, architects,
Speaker 3: others who have looked at it. You're talking about building
Speaker 3: an underground facility in a place that regularly floods when
Speaker 3: we have a good bit of rain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. Now I can see Hyde Park and
Speaker 1: also Zips has been underwater at times because of a
Speaker 1: lack of sewerge, a lack of clean water. But leaving
Speaker 1: their vacation, I can only imagine if you drop two
Speaker 1: or three hundred underground parking what that's going to look like.
Speaker 1: What is Hyde Park a neighbor council and these other councils.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of times you like politicians to
Speaker 1: answer to the constituents who put them there and actually
Speaker 1: affected by the decisions of council. Those are two important considerations.
Speaker 1: What does Hyde Park Neighborhood Council say in those neighboring
Speaker 1: and I would have think those most effect it would
Speaker 1: be in favor of it. If it was good for
Speaker 1: Hyde Park, those who lived there would say we want this.
Speaker 6: That's not the case. What did Hyde Park Neighborhood Council
Speaker 6: do with this proposal.
Speaker 3: And I should be clear I don't speak for Hyde
Speaker 3: Park Neighborhood Council. I'm a citizen working with say Hyde
Speaker 3: Park Square. But the Hyde Park Neighborhood Council has written
Speaker 3: a very clear statement that they voted on unanimously saying, please,
Speaker 3: City Council, don't pass this ordinance, don't let this variants
Speaker 3: go through. So did Mount Lookout You mentioned one of
Speaker 3: the neighbors, But you know what this coalition of the
Speaker 3: neighborhoods is from east to west the entire city. You
Speaker 3: go from out in the east with Mount Washington all
Speaker 3: the way over to the west with Sailor Park.
Speaker 1: This is a city wide issue.
Speaker 3: This isn't a Hyde Park issue, and this could set
Speaker 3: a precedent where lots of other neighborhoods would be impacted.
Speaker 3: And this coalition is not coming apart after this particular issue.
Speaker 3: This coalition is going to grow and it's going to continue.
Speaker 3: And that's part of what we're saying to city council today.
Speaker 3: You are going to have to answer for this vote,
Speaker 3: and we are not going to let you start this
Speaker 3: as a president for future actions in other neighborhoods. Most
Speaker 3: of the neighborhoods who signed on with us have all
Speaker 3: had problems with this same developer. We have a story
Speaker 3: after story, both by individuals and by neighborhood councils up
Speaker 3: we asked for X, they said they were going to
Speaker 3: do X, and then they did why and they rise
Speaker 3: that because once they get the planned development variance, there
Speaker 3: is nothing that the local communities can do to change things.
Speaker 3: There's almost no opportunity for input once the planned developed
Speaker 3: is in place. So our big call to city council is,
Speaker 3: you've just voted on a new set of laws last June,
Speaker 3: and now you're going to basically crumple that up and
Speaker 3: throw it over your shoulder and say the developer gets
Speaker 3: to do what they want, regardless of what the connected
Speaker 3: community say, regardless of what the local zoning says, regardless
Speaker 3: of the UDOD which will be applied to this. But
Speaker 3: it leaves us almost no leverage in conversation with the
Speaker 3: developer if city council votes for this PD.
Speaker 1: Well, John Zinzer, I know politicians fairly well. They're banking
Speaker 1: on the fact that in six or seven months when
Speaker 1: they stand for re election or election, you and others
Speaker 1: are going to ignore the comments in April that you're
Speaker 1: going to have short term memory loss and not show
Speaker 1: up to vote them out of office. Because if politicians thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to lose our gig, we're going to lose
Speaker 1: our job by doing this against the residents, guess what,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't do it. But they're counting on short term
Speaker 1: memory loss. But more importantly, I see this shade issue
Speaker 1: of this large structure. Explain that to the American people.
Speaker 3: Two points regarding the politicians will come back there. The
Speaker 3: shade is an issue. You're talking about a building. They
Speaker 3: could go as high as ninety three feet. The zoning
Speaker 3: restriction in Hyde Park is fifty feet. That's more than
Speaker 3: seventy percent taller than everything else that it's allowed to
Speaker 3: be there. It will cast a shadow, and they say, oh,
Speaker 3: but we're going to do setbacks. It won't be that noticeable.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the impact of the shade will be,
Speaker 3: but I'll tell you that if you're standing on Hyde
Speaker 3: Park Square today, this beautiful sunny Cincinnati spring day, and
Speaker 3: you're standing there, once this container ship is dropped in place,
Speaker 3: it's going to feel completely different. Whether you're standing in
Speaker 3: the sun or you're standing in the shade. To your
Speaker 3: other point about the politicians, I'll make you the promise
Speaker 3: right now. We're not going away. We will not forget.
Speaker 3: There's probably three pathways that come out of this. Should
Speaker 3: city Council vote the wrong way and approve the PD One,
Speaker 3: there is almost certainly going to be a lawsuit because
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of questions about how the zoning
Speaker 3: process itself was handled. Two, there may well be a
Speaker 3: citywide referendum run Butt's Three. I can almost guarantee you
Speaker 3: a political action committee will be formed around this, and
Speaker 3: the bottom three four five city council members are easily
Speaker 3: replaceable with the size and strength of the community that
Speaker 3: we have put into contact. And they've already been told this.
Speaker 3: They're going to hear it again today in the committee meeting,
Speaker 3: and I will come back on your show anytime and
Speaker 3: tell you how that group is doing and what they're
Speaker 3: getting done and what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I can imagine the two to four year building process
Speaker 1: is going to make residents of Hyde Parks Wqua are
Speaker 1: miserable for the next two to four years. I can
Speaker 1: imagine building nine and ten story tall buildings underground parking garages,
Speaker 1: Leveling parts of Hyde Park Square is going to have
Speaker 1: a tremendous impact for the next two to four years.
Speaker 1: And as you said, on.
Speaker 3: The citizens absolutely and on the small businesses both, and
Speaker 3: we've asked over and over again for them to provide
Speaker 3: something called a maintenance of transportation report, which is what's
Speaker 3: going to happen while you're doing construction. Last year, parts
Speaker 3: of this area just got some new roadway refinishing that
Speaker 3: killed business for a number of small businesses. It ruined
Speaker 3: quality of life. People were sitting and putting in traffic
Speaker 3: jams in Hyde Park, a place that doesn't have really
Speaker 3: that kind of traffic. It doesn't have that kind of flow.
Speaker 3: We already have a pretty major issue right at Hyde
Speaker 3: Park School, right at the corner of Edwards An Observatory,
Speaker 3: and this is a great concern. One of the competing
Speaker 3: news organizations totally got the story wrong in saying, oh,
Speaker 3: the development is two tenths of a mile away. That's untrue.
Speaker 3: The development's major entrance and exits are going to be
Speaker 3: literally facing Hyde Park School and facing Knox To which
Speaker 3: has a preschool. So you're talking about having construction equipment
Speaker 3: rolling through areas where children walk to school every day.
Speaker 3: They're talking about changing the traffic pattern. You're talking about
Speaker 3: taking away on street parking, which creates the buffer between
Speaker 3: these children walking to school and moving vehicles. The sixth
Speaker 3: graders don't stand up well against moving cars.
Speaker 1: John Zinzer, will see what happens later today or tomorrow.
Speaker 1: According to the news media accounts, there's going to be
Speaker 1: a vote today and then before council tomorrow. And you're saying,
Speaker 1: if you lose today or tomorrow maybe about three or
Speaker 1: four o'clock, or lose tomorrow, this will not be the end. Lawsuits,
Speaker 1: referendums a pack, and they're counting on you to have
Speaker 1: short term memory loss that they ram this thing through.
Speaker 1: I would anticipate the developer will quickly put a shovel
Speaker 1: in the ground to start the project, and I would
Speaker 1: anticipate that the citizens to whom this effects will not
Speaker 1: forget in six months what was done to them and
Speaker 1: not for them. Basically, we're all in favor of development,
Speaker 1: but this thing is just two damn and it needs
Speaker 1: to be stopped. John Zinzer. We'll open up the lines
Speaker 1: of communication more as this event goes. Hopefully they'll be
Speaker 1: killed today.
Speaker 6: If not We'll continue to talk in the days and
Speaker 6: week said and John Zinzer, thanks for coming on the
Speaker 6: Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: And you're a great American. Thank you, John, my pleasure,
Speaker 1: thank you, God bless you. Let's continue with more counsels
Speaker 1: how to be reflective of the citizens when they pass laws,
Speaker 1: rules and regulations that affect them. And when you have
Speaker 1: a committee called equitable growth and how equitable growth in
Speaker 1: housing when the rents are between four and six thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month. I don't know how equitable that is.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to irritate people.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've said anything controversial today. Oh hello, quiet,
Speaker 1: and I'm SCO. I'm broadcasting all right, segment. We have
Speaker 1: a new deal with pay Course Stadium. Your comments and
Speaker 1: how about that Willie? I think Sheldon Braun and we're
Speaker 1: doing all the HVAC work down there is busy.
Speaker 6: I mean they got it done, you got it done.
Speaker 6: I mean, what's next? Ukraine?
Speaker 1: And now hold Offsha in peace. Hold on right there. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is contingent, you know, but hold up on that
Speaker 1: car wise gentlemen on the state of Ohio right coming
Speaker 1: in and supplying about three hundred million dollars. So now
Speaker 1: the pickleball is in the state's court. And because your
Speaker 1: friend Matt Hoffman, the Speaker of the House, said we
Speaker 1: want a deal. Deal, now the deal is getting closer. Segment,
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He's in a doctor. We need some HVAC work done
Speaker 1: right here in the building. Is that correct? You sure do?
Speaker 1: Get him involved? Amen to that segment. Give me some
Speaker 1: sports and make it quick. Let's see.
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Speaker 6: Eagles in don Henley right there at Hamilton County and
Speaker 6: the Bengals here we go. Reached an agreement with Andy
Speaker 6: Buker to reach an agreement.
Speaker 1: They've reached an agreement to reach an agreement like that.
Speaker 6: So they're going to make one hundred and eighty four
Speaker 6: million dollars in improvements to pay course stadium next year
Speaker 6: how much and one hundred and eighty four mill and
Speaker 6: reach a long term agreement by June thirtieth of this year.
Speaker 1: I had on your friend Denise three Houses says she's
Speaker 1: cautiously optimistic. When the state jumps in with an extra
Speaker 1: three hundred million over the next five.
Speaker 6: Years, the team would pay one hundred and twenty mil
Speaker 6: the county sixty four US.
Speaker 1: The other way around it. No, it's ninety five percent
Speaker 1: for the county and five percent for the Bengals. This
Speaker 1: one's two thirds to the Bengals, one third for the county.
Speaker 6: Under the deal deal, the Bengals would renovate club lounges
Speaker 6: and suites. Of course, we never get invited there improved concessions.
Speaker 6: Sheldon Brown invited me the county would put in new escalators,
Speaker 6: refurbish the elevators, elevators, and upgrade the power grid another technology.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? You have any idea? I guess
Speaker 1: wi fi. Go ahead. Let's see.
Speaker 6: So the Bengals have until June thirtieth's that's the date
Speaker 6: one Riverfront Stadium open in nineteen seventy. I was there
Speaker 6: segment to decide whether the team will extend its current
Speaker 6: lease another two years.
Speaker 1: That would be a negative.
Speaker 6: The current lease expires June thirtieth of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Well, the Bengals and the county agree that if they
Speaker 1: don't extend the lease, then the old lace continues. That's
Speaker 1: a negative. Would you agree? Yes? Please continue? Let's see.
Speaker 1: Will he have more transactions for the Reds today? What
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 6: Rehab assignments for Triple A Louisville left hand or Sam
Speaker 6: Mall who's hurt. He had a left shoulder impingement, shoulder
Speaker 6: and pinchment. And catcher Tyler Stevenson is on his way
Speaker 6: back here. Of course, he's had that oblique injury since
Speaker 6: spring training. So now they're going to rehab at Louisville,
Speaker 6: and they're one step back from being into the lineup.
Speaker 1: I guess that had six hits. What about that guy?
Speaker 1: They're going to keep him?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 6: Max Meyer last night was dealing for Miami. A career
Speaker 6: high fourteen k's and six scoreless innings of the Marlins
Speaker 6: beat the Red six to three.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this traight. He pits six innings and
Speaker 1: at fourteen strike yeap. That means of the possible eighteen,
Speaker 1: he struck out fourteen. Is that fair?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: And they that was the day before the Red score
Speaker 6: twenty four runs and twenty five.
Speaker 1: Well, they retired, they retired, they retired. They admitted they
Speaker 1: toured twenty four runs and no run day the eighth
Speaker 1: correct got three irrelevant runs. Yes, they wanted, you know,
Speaker 1: kick wanted to make it close.
Speaker 6: Let's see game two tonight, Edward Cabrera up against Nick Martinez,
Speaker 6: five forty Sports Talk, Rnell Carriers, Inside Pitch and then
Speaker 6: the Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Inning Show after the game. Let's
Speaker 6: see also high school softball Willie Lebanon's Sophia Shielder. There
Speaker 6: was a perfect game with sixteen strikeouts. Warriors feed West
Speaker 6: Claremont six nothing. Kings defeated Little Miami seven nothing against
Speaker 6: the Canoes. King's softball coach John shawt Shawblean his two
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Speaker 6: Let's see back to on the NFL. The Cleveland Browns
Speaker 6: and New York Giants. Here we go are getting calls
Speaker 6: about their picks or Thursday. The Browns have the second
Speaker 6: overall pick, the Giants number three.
Speaker 1: The Browns in and out of the quarterback they have
Speaker 1: had no success. Well, they got Joe, they got Joe Fla. Yeah, Tennessee.
Speaker 6: Is Shawn Watson not entertaining offers for the pick number one?
Speaker 1: He's getting massage right now. He's unavailable. Shawn Watson probably
Speaker 1: so cost him. Sad news today.
Speaker 6: Willy Cincinnati Bearcats freshman player football player Jeremiah Kelly and
Speaker 6: Early and Roll Lee, who went through spring practice with
Speaker 6: a team, passed away unexpectedly yesterday afternoon at his residence.
Speaker 6: No cause of death, eighteen years old, out of Avon, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Not good oh Man. Hopefully find out what happened. His
Speaker 1: family's got to be devastated, completely devastating. Amen, We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens there. So your anticipatory that this is going
Speaker 1: to be the deal deal that Matt Hoffman, the Speaker
Speaker 1: of the House, will putting the money, Mike do wanna
Speaker 1: put in the money, Mike Brown and putting the money,
Speaker 1: Paul H. Brown and putting the money, Katy Blackburn will
Speaker 1: putting the money, Troy Blackburn putting the money, and you
Speaker 1: will put in the money. It's a taxpayer. Are you
Speaker 1: confident yes or no?
Speaker 6: Yes, I think they're going to get a deal done,
Speaker 6: a deal deal. Well, they got disagreement. I mean that's
Speaker 6: the first step. It's a deal. To make a deal,
Speaker 6: it's a deal. But I mean, at least at least
Speaker 6: they got it. You know, they're not taking it to
Speaker 6: the you know, the the midnight deadline.
Speaker 1: How about the taxpayer weighing into the ease, three House says, no,
Speaker 1: we've already done it once segment thirty years ago. Go
Speaker 1: take it to the tax pank. No, don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. They're gonna give a billionaire how much money
Speaker 1: out of my pocket? Did that once? And then you
Speaker 1: also have the Reds, you have the Guardians, you got
Speaker 1: minor league baseball, thither and fro blue jackets, Blue jackets,
Speaker 1: they like.
Speaker 6: Some money, money, money, money, I'm sure you well you
Speaker 6: see what probably won some Dayton, Ohio state they get
Speaker 6: most of the money, Toledo, Akron, all of them get money.
Speaker 1: Wittenberg, Middletown, Middle Tucky. Yeah, oh, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we're gonna see what's going on.
Speaker 6: But at least they got at least they have come
Speaker 6: to an agreement. We got No, we got an agreement
Speaker 6: for an agreement. But I mean still it's like do
Speaker 6: the other agreements. It's a right step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: The Bengals are bringing up two thirds of this money
Speaker 1: on phase one.
Speaker 6: Now that so now they need this if they if
Speaker 6: the state's in, that's it, right.
Speaker 1: I sent Matt Huffman, the Speaker of the House, a
Speaker 1: note with the articles from here, and he sent back
Speaker 1: something that said, interesting is that a yes, listen to you.
Speaker 6: You could be like the middleman this whole deal, and
Speaker 6: you're dealing with Republicans.
Speaker 1: Republicans like a deal. Deal, Republicans like a deal. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying what happens. And the difference is the Bengals
Speaker 1: went without the state's involvement directly on bonds thirty some
Speaker 1: years ago. They've already put the money in in a sense,
Speaker 1: while the Cleveland Browns are building their three billion dollar
Speaker 1: edifice in a farm field that has nothing in it.
Speaker 1: So the argument to Matt Huffman that this is new
Speaker 1: money is kind of not a good one. Denise drie
Speaker 1: House says, we've already put the money in. It's a taxpayer,
Speaker 1: correct sales tax. We paid this already. We would like
Speaker 1: a deal deal to give us our money back.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Does that make any sway with them? Absolutely not, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Mike Dwine too. He wants to tax sin like cigarettes. Juse, well,
Speaker 1: he wants to get the deal. He wants to get
Speaker 1: the money in so he can get good tickets, good
Speaker 1: tickets he belongs to. He. I mean, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: a new governor what next year?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Either A Yost? Or can you save a A Ramaswami?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I like saying his name because I say it so well.
Speaker 1: Of a Swammy or David Yost? He was here the
Speaker 1: other day? Does he stopped buying? Pretty cool guy, he's taller.
Speaker 1: One thing happened has never happened before we had younger
Speaker 1: ladies lined up. It happens to me every day. Get
Speaker 1: a picture. Of course, women came here from the offices
Speaker 1: to get pictures with a A Rama Swam. Has that
Speaker 1: ever happened with David Yoster, Mike Dwine or you? No
Speaker 1: happens to you and him? And that's yay. We're hunks. Yep.
Speaker 1: We always say wanted by the ladies. But he's a
Speaker 1: star when he in your own mind, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: That's the truth. That's the problem. Tell my wife that
Speaker 1: and I get no response at all, none, But she says,
Speaker 1: I look terrible. My hairstick. Well, I don't dress right,
Speaker 1: but well I can tell she's out of town because
Speaker 1: I'm looking mess today. I got you got more colors
Speaker 1: on in a ring? I like to be colorful.
Speaker 6: And then also she said, I don't know when when
Speaker 6: she leaves the trist and.
Speaker 1: What Wendy's McDonald's, Montgomery and ribs, hit it graters and
Speaker 1: and udf Well you got to go to Frishes right, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, Dolly and fishes, the big
Speaker 1: boy and dog, but the fresh work out the deal.
Speaker 1: I like to go to a real fishes well like
Speaker 1: in Heartwell, it's a real fish. And then what do
Speaker 1: you get? Give me a super big boy, get rid
Speaker 1: of the bread in the middle, give me well done
Speaker 1: onion rings and a medium cherry coke and a piece
Speaker 1: of hot fudge cake to go and make it quick.
Speaker 1: It's not like Jack's. I'm gonna hurry. Yes, it sounds
Speaker 1: like Jackie, and make it quick. And so she's gone.
Speaker 1: What you have for dinner? I said, I had some
Speaker 1: bean soup and some crackers. Great. Really it was a
Speaker 1: super big boy and onion rings. She'll never know, and
Speaker 1: don't tell her segment. I won't say a thing all
Speaker 1: right once again, Sheldon, good to have you here, Temp
Speaker 1: star Quality. You can feel the main man is here,
Speaker 1: and say get me out of the suage report coming
Speaker 1: up next to John Lott about guns and shooting people
Speaker 1: much like others is. He's calling from downtown. He sees
Speaker 1: dead people.
Speaker 6: Willie and hounter of Temp Starr and Sheldon Braun and
Speaker 6: Braun heating a great golfer, and happy birthday today the
Speaker 6: Reds manager Terry Francona.
Speaker 1: Really, how old is henknown?
Speaker 6: He's old and like seventy or something, at least he's old,
Speaker 6: and happy Earth Day?
Speaker 1: Today's today? What have you done for the earth? Still here?
Speaker 1: I'm cutting my grass.
Speaker 6: We leave you with the immortal words of the Stewod Report.
Speaker 8: Our job every day is to try to kick somebody's ass.
Speaker 8: I mean, that's why we're here. How about last night, Tito?
Speaker 8: One might ask, just asking who's asked? Got lucky?
Speaker 1: It was Red's ass got kicked last night. It wasn't fish,
Speaker 1: it wasn't fish, but it was Red.
Speaker 6: Wait till tonight and then tomorrow afternoon. Then you go
Speaker 6: to Colorado and roll. They have won three games.
Speaker 1: Colorado has won three games of course, say Bob slid
Speaker 1: before the games. Correct, once again, gentlemen, thank you, no
Speaker 1: comment that is that? You know that's an unnamed hits
Speaker 1: it hit that again from Red's official.
Speaker 6: No comments, they're not saying anything. Nobody's talking to you
Speaker 6: from the Bengals or the Reds.
Speaker 1: What's the problem or Xavier Xavier wins women's tennis team
Speaker 1: or the golf team. Golf team. I like to play
Speaker 1: those ladies in golf. See what happens. Invited to the
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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW by Billy Cunningham. The Great Amaricon, of course,
Speaker 1: John Lott is called the guru of those who believe
Speaker 1: in the Second Amendment. Books out including More Guns, Less
Speaker 1: Crime is a great treatise on why an armed citizenry
Speaker 1: is certainly the best thing the law enforcement itself can have.
Speaker 1: And also he got many columns up, and one of
Speaker 1: the great ones he has up is what's going on
Speaker 1: now with the research that seemed to indicate that armed
Speaker 1: civilians stop active shooters more effectively than uniformed police who
Speaker 1: likely are not going to be at the scene. And
Speaker 1: first of all, John Lott spent years in the Trump
Speaker 1: Justice Department of the first term done a lot of
Speaker 1: research on the topping nose. He's forgotten more than most
Speaker 1: people know. And John Lott, Welcome again to the Bill
Speaker 1: Cunningham Show. And first of all, on the Thursday shooting
Speaker 1: at Florida State and the person identified as a shooter
Speaker 1: is a guy named Eichner, and I understand his name's
Speaker 1: Phoenix Eichner. His mother was a deputy sheriff. And one
Speaker 1: thing I would add that about two hours after the
Speaker 1: shooting was announced sometime on Thursday, Jake Tapper immediately put
Speaker 1: on someone from Florida that talked about more gun laws
Speaker 1: are needed, obviously because this thing and all the laws
Speaker 1: we have an affect in Florida didn't work. Really, the
Speaker 1: bodies had not even gotten the room temperature before that
Speaker 1: radical left wanted to politicize another shooting for personal benefits,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless go over some of the issues in the
Speaker 1: Florida State shooting with Phoenix Eichner Icknor and what it
Speaker 1: teaches us about gun laws and their effectiveness in Florida.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, I mean our guns were already banned in
Speaker 4: Florida State University campus when the attack occurred. The problem
Speaker 4: that you face with a lot of these laws is
Speaker 4: that they disarmed law body citizens, not the criminals. So
Speaker 4: if you have a criminal penalty for going in taking
Speaker 4: a gun into a gun free zone like that, for
Speaker 4: you or I, you know, if we spend a couple
Speaker 4: of years in prison for violating that type of rule,
Speaker 4: our lives would be completely changed. But let's say you're
Speaker 4: the person who's going to murder a couple people and
Speaker 4: wound others and violate multiple laws, and you're going to
Speaker 4: be facing multiple life sentences in any case, do you
Speaker 4: think a couple of years from your you know, fourth
Speaker 4: or fifth life is going to make a difference for
Speaker 4: whether or not that person's going to commit a crime.
Speaker 4: It's not going to be relevant to them. So all
Speaker 4: you've done with some of these laws is make it
Speaker 4: so that the law abiding, good citizens obey the rules,
Speaker 4: not the criminals. And the only thing that you've done
Speaker 4: is ensure for the criminal that they'll be the only
Speaker 4: person that's going to be armed there, and that makes
Speaker 4: it a lot easier for them to accomplish their goal
Speaker 4: in terms of killing people.
Speaker 1: And one of these so called activists on Thursday Afternoon
Speaker 1: with Jake Tapper and CNN talked about age restrictions. You know,
Speaker 1: in the wake of the Parkland Florida, Florida itself enacted
Speaker 1: responses to that. One of those was an age restriction
Speaker 1: for long gun sales. And of course this was not
Speaker 1: the weapons obtained by this murderer. If you had more
Speaker 1: and more age restrictions on gun sales, would that have
Speaker 1: made any difference at all in this case?
Speaker 4: Well, he obtained it from his mom, who's a deputy sheriff,
Speaker 4: So you would have had to ban the deputy sheriff
Speaker 4: from being able to go and get a gun in
Speaker 4: that case. But you know, if you look at all
Speaker 4: the math public shootings over the last twenty five years,
Speaker 4: what you're going to find is that the age ranges
Speaker 4: that commit the most math public shootings are basically twenty
Speaker 4: six to thirty and then thirty to forty. You know,
Speaker 4: So are you going to ban guns all the way
Speaker 4: up to age forty?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: What I think you need to look at is kind
Speaker 4: of what motivates these people. We don't know yet in
Speaker 4: this particular case. But I've read enough diaries, I've read
Speaker 4: enough manifestos for these mass murders to know that their
Speaker 4: goal is to get media coverage, and they know the
Speaker 4: more people they kill, the more media coverage they're going
Speaker 4: to get. Very frequently were reach State been saying, if
Speaker 4: I can only kill more people than such and such did,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be able to get even more media coverage.
Speaker 4: You have people who are suicidal. We've had people who
Speaker 4: are suicidal forever in the human race, but at some
Speaker 4: point in time people realize that they could get a
Speaker 4: lot of media coverage. So you have people who feel
Speaker 4: unappreciated and they know that if they go and kill
Speaker 4: lots of people, they'll get their names in the history
Speaker 4: books to quote what a number of them have said.
Speaker 4: And that's at least people will know that they were here.
Speaker 4: And so the question you have to ask is how
Speaker 4: do you take away that goal that they have. And
Speaker 4: the important thing there is to have somebody there quickly
Speaker 4: at the scene who's going to be able to stop them.
Speaker 4: So rather than having signs in front of these schools
Speaker 4: and other places that says the school is a gun
Speaker 4: free zone, you know, why not have a sign if
Speaker 4: you're talking about K through twelve schools that say warnings,
Speaker 4: what teachers and staff here are armed and will use
Speaker 4: their guns to go and protect students and others. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a reason why. So we have something like over
Speaker 4: ten thousand schools in the United States that have armed teachers.
Speaker 4: We've had school shootings, There's not been one school shooting
Speaker 4: where anybody's been wounded or killed at a school that
Speaker 4: allows teachers and staff to be able to coed care.
Speaker 4: All the attacks have occurred in those places where you
Speaker 4: have these gun freeze zone signs up.
Speaker 1: Well before we get to this public health survey, which
Speaker 1: you have article you wrote on April the ninth, which
Speaker 1: is fabulous, another one is red flag laws. Almost all
Speaker 1: these mass shooters have serious psychological with psychiatric problems, some treated,
Speaker 1: some not. And why did it take so long in
Speaker 1: the Nashville Christian School incident for that the truth to
Speaker 1: come out about why he selected that particular school. I
Speaker 1: think the answer is it didn't fit the liberal die
Speaker 1: drive about the shooter in the Nashville Christian School, And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's been well publicized why he chose
Speaker 1: that school. But I know, you know, why did that
Speaker 1: mass psychiatric killer pick that school to kill as many
Speaker 1: students as possible.
Speaker 4: We knew why she picked it in fact of the
Speaker 4: day of the shooting, because the Nashville Police Chief had
Speaker 4: gotten access to her diary or manifesto or whatever you
Speaker 4: want to call it, and she had made it clear
Speaker 4: that she had looked at other targets but had decided
Speaker 4: because there were people with guns at the other targets,
Speaker 4: not to go after those, and so she had picked
Speaker 4: the school, the Covenant School, to go after. And you know,
Speaker 4: these people may be crazy in some sense, but they're
Speaker 4: not stupid. You know, they know that they can kill
Speaker 4: more people if they go to a place where they're
Speaker 4: victims are defenseless and somebody's not going to be there
Speaker 4: to be able to go and stop them. They you know,
Speaker 4: when you go and you look at these attacks, these
Speaker 4: killers spend long periods of time planning. These six months
Speaker 4: is a short amount of time. You have people like
Speaker 4: the Sandy Hook killer who spent like two and a
Speaker 4: half years planning for his attack in that case. So
Speaker 4: they look through all these things, they look through the
Speaker 4: success of other mass murderers. They see that these mass
Speaker 4: murderers go I mean they explicitly acknowledge that they follow
Speaker 4: that these mass murderers go to places where victims can't
Speaker 4: defend themselves. You know, one of the things that just
Speaker 4: drives me nuts with regard to the media is the
Speaker 4: media may cover parts of these manifestos and diaries for
Speaker 4: these mass murders, and you're implying this in your question here,
Speaker 4: but they refuse, they absolutely refuse to discuss those parts
Speaker 4: of the manifestos and diaries where these killers explain why
Speaker 4: they picked the target that they did. Why isn't that
Speaker 4: news worth Why isn't that important for people to know
Speaker 4: that these guys are explicitly going to places where they
Speaker 4: know they're victims can't defend themselves because the government bans
Speaker 4: people from having guns in those areas.
Speaker 1: In fact, that a Florida State situation, if there were
Speaker 1: armed students or armed teachers, armed professors, maybe lives would
Speaker 1: have been saved, and likely Phoenix would not have picked
Speaker 1: Florida State because it is rare to have a psychiatric
Speaker 1: mass murderer pick at facility where he's likely to quickly shot,
Speaker 1: and red flag laws Florida has one doesn't apply in
Speaker 1: this case. Age restrictions doesn't apply, magazine restrictions don't apply,
Speaker 1: the assault weapons ban doesn't apply. Gun free zones doesn't apply.
Speaker 1: It does apply, but he picked a gun free zone.
Speaker 1: In fact, when Jake Tapper on Thursday afternoon, mandatory storage
Speaker 1: laws is another one, and these laws generally apply to
Speaker 1: keeping a gun locked up when there's a miner in
Speaker 1: the house. The elect shooter was twenty. I guess you
Speaker 1: could be a miner. But it makes it much more
Speaker 1: difficult called for an American to access a firearm when
Speaker 1: they need it, different times of stress, making things more dangerous,
Speaker 1: and so none of it works.
Speaker 4: Well, you know the problem is when you discuss when
Speaker 4: people discuss a lot of these laws, they talk about
Speaker 4: a possible benefit, but they don't talk about the costs.
Speaker 4: And you just mentioned one. So you go and mandate
Speaker 4: that people have to go and lock up their guns,
Speaker 4: they make them less accessible for people. It makes it
Speaker 4: easier for criminals to go and commit crimes against those people.
Speaker 4: In fact, what you find is that when states pass
Speaker 4: these safe storage laws, the rate that criminals break into
Speaker 4: people's homes and successfully commit crimes goes up. I'll give
Speaker 4: me one comparison. We have data on something called hot
Speaker 4: burglaries across different countries the United States, about thirteen percent
Speaker 4: of burglaries occur while the residents are at home. In
Speaker 4: a country like the UK, it's about sixty percent of
Speaker 4: the burglaries that occur have their residents at home when
Speaker 4: the burglary occurs. American burglars, their big time for doing
Speaker 4: burglaries is kind of in the middle of the day
Speaker 4: when people are likely to be out in a way.
Speaker 4: In the UK, they like to do burglaries in the
Speaker 4: evening precisely to make sure that people are at home.
Speaker 4: And the reason why they like to do that is
Speaker 4: because then they can force the people to go and
Speaker 4: tell them where their valuables are in the home and
Speaker 4: the big different and American burglars spent about twice as
Speaker 4: long casing a home before they break in compared to
Speaker 4: their British counterparts, and surveys that have been done indicate
Speaker 4: the reason why they spend so long casing a home
Speaker 4: in America as compared to in Britain is that their
Speaker 4: word about getting shot and one way to protect yourself
Speaker 4: from being shot is to make sure that nobody is
Speaker 4: home to go and do the shooting. In Britain, they
Speaker 4: actually prefer to have people there at home, as I say,
Speaker 4: because then they can tell them where their valuables are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what percent of Brits are armed at home? I
Speaker 1: think probably ninety nine percent are not armed. And so
Speaker 1: if you have an elderly couple or some old person
Speaker 1: living home alone, you know that person doesn't have a gun,
Speaker 1: you break in or walk in the door and demand
Speaker 1: to know where the valuables are in a way you
Speaker 1: go in America, I don't care if you're seventeen or
Speaker 1: twenty eight or eighty eight. You have to factor into
Speaker 1: the equation whether or not this person is gonna is
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. And that that's why gun control laws
Speaker 1: don't work. The problem's never been guns. Take away the guns,
Speaker 1: it'll be knives like in Europe, or take away the knives.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have mass beatings. Take away the beatings. There'll
Speaker 1: be cars used by these psychiatric homicidal killers. And the gun.
Speaker 1: Gun control doesn't work. But it raises a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But correct, it's a fundraiser, right, Well.
Speaker 4: It's slightly differently say, not only doesn't it work, it
Speaker 4: makes the situation worse. Yeah, I'll give you a simple example.
Speaker 4: You look around the world. Any place that's banned either
Speaker 4: all guns or all handguns has seen murder rates go
Speaker 4: up every single time. You think out of randomness once
Speaker 4: or twice when you've banned guns, guns are as bad
Speaker 4: on net as people claim. You think for sure you'd
Speaker 4: find at least a couple, but probably lots of places
Speaker 4: where gun bands have been associated with the drop in
Speaker 4: murder rates, and yet every single time it's gone up.
Speaker 4: And the problem is is that when you pass these bands,
Speaker 4: it's the most law abiding, good citizens who obey that,
Speaker 4: not the criminals. And to the extent that you disarm
Speaker 4: law abiding citizens relative to criminals, you actually make it
Speaker 4: relatively easier for criminals to go and commit crimes. So,
Speaker 4: you know, the ban is a simple example, but the
Speaker 4: basic point applies to other things. There's one thing I
Speaker 4: wanted to mention with regard to your coming about the
Speaker 4: Florida State University and you know, talking about concealed carry
Speaker 4: permit holders. We just finished a study where we looked
Speaker 4: over the last decade for what the FBI calls active
Speaker 4: shooting cases. These are attacks, they're current public they're not
Speaker 4: some other part of some other type of crime like
Speaker 4: a gang fight over drug turf, And it's anything from
Speaker 4: one person being shot at and missed all the way
Speaker 4: up to a mass public shooting. And what we found
Speaker 4: is that civilians were more likely to stop these attacks
Speaker 4: than police, and also a police when they did were there,
Speaker 4: we're more likely to get killed or wounded when they
Speaker 4: were trying to stop the attack. And there's a simple
Speaker 4: reason for this, and that is people have to appreciate
Speaker 4: what an incredibly difficult job having somebody in uniform has
Speaker 4: when they're trying to go and stop these attacks. These
Speaker 4: murders have real tactical advantages. If you have an officer
Speaker 4: who's in uniform there and you're thinking about doing an
Speaker 4: attack at that place, you have several options. You can
Speaker 4: either wait for the officer to leave, okay, or you
Speaker 4: can move on to another target yourself. Or if you're
Speaker 4: going to insist on attacking in that place, who do
Speaker 4: you think you take out first? You're going to take
Speaker 4: out the officer because he's the one person you know
Speaker 4: for sure has a gun. The benefit of concealed carry
Speaker 4: is the attacker doesn't know who's there or whether somebody
Speaker 4: is there already. Yeah, a simple comparison I would make
Speaker 4: because we have air marshals on planes. Do you think
Speaker 4: an air marshal on a plane should be in uniform. No,
Speaker 4: I don't know anybody who thinks that that should be
Speaker 4: the case. And why not, because if you had him
Speaker 4: in uniform, he would be a target for a terrorist
Speaker 4: if you happen to have a terrorist on the plane,
Speaker 4: and so you want him to blend in, you want it.
Speaker 4: You don't want the terrorists to be able to know
Speaker 4: who it is that they have to worry about. But
Speaker 4: unfortunately officers don't have that luxury of being, you know, incognito.
Speaker 4: They're there, they're in uniform, and it's kind of like
Speaker 4: them having a neon sign that's above them that says,
Speaker 4: go shoot me first. And people have to appreciate, you know,
Speaker 4: these individuals who are in uniform who put their lives
Speaker 4: on the line. But it also points out the benefit
Speaker 4: of concealed carry for civilians. We also have a lot
Speaker 4: more civilians. We have twenty one and a half million
Speaker 4: Americans who have concealed carry permits in the United States,
Speaker 4: plus we have twenty nine constitutional carry states where it's
Speaker 4: not required to have a permit. You know, we have
Speaker 4: six hundred and seventy thousand police and not all of
Speaker 4: them are on duty at any time. Maybe you have
Speaker 4: two fifty and so there's no way they can go
Speaker 4: and cover the three hundred and forty million Americans that
Speaker 4: are out there that could be targets.
Speaker 1: Now, John Lott, do you have excellent research for those
Speaker 1: lessening crimeresearch dot org headline armed civilian stop active shooters
Speaker 1: more effectively than uniformed police. The research is there, but
Speaker 1: reason in facts mean nothing to them of a liberal
Speaker 1: who wants to raise money and act as if they're important.
Speaker 1: And once again, John Lott, you're the best there is
Speaker 1: in this topic. Thanks for coming on, and once again
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. John Lott, thank.
Speaker 4: You very much, thank you for being there.
Speaker 1: Bill, God bless you. Let's continue the truth and reasona
Speaker 1: will set us free. But the more we have gun
Speaker 1: free zones, the more there's going to be more violence
Speaker 1: in gun free zones. In fact, you don't know. In
Speaker 1: this case, Phoenix Eichner, the murderer who I imagine survived,
Speaker 1: we think he survived the shooting, went to a gun
Speaker 1: free zone to kill a psychiatric homicidal killer was set
Speaker 1: loose on Florida State. Bill Cunningham with you every afternoon
Speaker 1: on News Radio seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 7: We get criticized for that because we run with a
Speaker 7: lighter crew than some other teams do. But I don't
Speaker 7: know that we do badly there. We picked up Reggie
Speaker 7: Nelson this year. That's a pretty good acquisition. Really. The
Speaker 7: year before we picked up the fullback from Rutgers, the
Speaker 7: young kid Leonard, and he helped us a lot. We
Speaker 7: have people up there who are attuned to this stuff.
Speaker 7: Duke Tobin is on top of it very, very thoroughly.
Speaker 4: Today.
Speaker 7: With the communications you have, you can talk to people
Speaker 7: anytime anywhere in this country, and we do. You don't
Speaker 7: have to have a guy sitting in an office doing
Speaker 7: just that. You can carry this information with you as
Speaker 7: you travel and then communicate when it's necessary. And that's
Speaker 7: what we do.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
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Speaker 1: That's the Bengal Oracle at Delphi. Mike Brown talking about
Speaker 1: communications today. We can't talk to anybody whenever we want.
Speaker 1: Kind of a new thing. Alexander Graham Bell invented it,
Speaker 1: and does Mike Brown. Does Mike Brown have a flip
Speaker 1: phone or no phone? You know what? I don't know.
Speaker 6: I like to find out. I think I got his
Speaker 6: cell phone number, but I've never called him.
Speaker 1: What about Nancy is lovely white.
Speaker 7: Communication out, you have no you can talk to people
Speaker 7: anytime anywhere.
Speaker 1: Hear that. That's true, that's good. He's right. And Nancy
Speaker 1: Brown was interviewed a matron of the Bengals by one
Speaker 1: Tanya or Rourke. You may recall, yes, about six months ago.
Speaker 1: And it seems like a wonderful lady. Wonderful matter a
Speaker 1: couple of times. He's a very lovely lady, nice lady.
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Speaker 6: four million dollars in improvements at pay Corps Stadium in
Speaker 6: the next year. Where's the money coming from? And reach
Speaker 6: a long term agreement by June thirtieth of this year.
Speaker 1: And on Denise about two hours ago she talked about
Speaker 1: the deal deal seg team will pay one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty mili County sixty four. That's two thirds to the Bengals,
Speaker 1: one third of the county. But fun, now the pickleball
Speaker 1: is in the state court. Matt Huffman, the Speaker of
Speaker 1: the House, needs to anty up some money. According to
Speaker 1: Denise Treehouse, it remains my third, one third, one third
Speaker 1: could get the deal deal because the guys are Republican.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Matt Huffman is a Republican
Speaker 1: to be honest with you.
Speaker 6: Under the deal deal, the Bengals would renovate club lounges
Speaker 6: and suites, as well as improved concessions.
Speaker 1: How many sweets have you been in? One?
Speaker 6: The county would put in new escalators, refurbish the elevators,
Speaker 6: and upgrade the power grid and other technology.
Speaker 1: That takes one hundred and eighty million.
Speaker 6: That means Wi Fi City, Baby and the Bengals now
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Speaker 6: extend the current lease another two years or all.
Speaker 1: The team doesn't, or the current lease.
Speaker 6: Will with the county expires June thirtieth when Riverfront Stadium
Speaker 6: was opened twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: least otherwise the county, according to Denise Treehouse, will say
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Speaker 6: The CEO JV see the vice president of Edney j
Speaker 6: D Executive vice president to you, mister. The Reds have
Speaker 6: sent out catcher Tyler Stevenson and pitcher Sam Mall send
Speaker 6: him out to rehab A Simon's on Triple A to
Speaker 6: Triple A Louisville, So they're one step away from coming back.
Speaker 1: They'll probably play.
Speaker 6: Over now and then over the weekend, maybe back for
Speaker 6: the Saint Louis series when they opened a home stand
Speaker 6: next week. Also Wade Miley Lefty remember him? Yes, starts
Speaker 6: to rehab a Simon. He'll start tonight for the Dayton
Speaker 6: Dragons against West Michigan.
Speaker 1: Didn't he throw a no hitter?
Speaker 6: Yeah, a few years ago with the Reds and he
Speaker 6: went to the Brewers and he hurt and now he's
Speaker 6: coming back.
Speaker 1: It's coming back now. I'm optimistic about the Reds despite
Speaker 1: the fact they're eleven and twelve. Me too. Would you agree? Yes?
Speaker 1: The pitching is the best I've seen since twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: If Lodolo see Hunter Green had a rough one Saturday,
Speaker 1: Lodolo had a rough one last night, It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Martinez used to win a game tonight, would you agree?
Speaker 1: Bingo at twenty million bucks? How many games has he
Speaker 1: won this year? Zero and three? Please continue?
Speaker 6: Also Willie Tonight's lineup, let's get it Freedol and center,
Speaker 6: McLean at second, Superman at short.
Speaker 1: And McLean's still hitting about two hundred. Surly, it's only
Speaker 1: put just say three games in the season. Just saying
Speaker 1: Willie Mays Hayes is the is the DH he related
Speaker 1: to rutherfert B. Hayes.
Speaker 6: No left field is Gavin Lux I do you know
Speaker 6: that j Murr Candelario is it first May?
Speaker 1: Maybe he start hitting? No Velie Marte is a third?
Speaker 1: What about Cees?
Speaker 6: The snake is in right and Trevino is catching. Cees
Speaker 6: is currently hurt? What about Lee Trevino he's catching tonight? Well,
Speaker 6: Happy birthday, Willie is speaking of the Reds. Happy birthday
Speaker 6: today to manager Terry Francona.
Speaker 1: How old is he? Thirty five and holding?
Speaker 6: I could check it out. And also it's happy Earth Day.
Speaker 6: To do something nice for the Earth. Always do. It's
Speaker 6: a big blue marble right here, baby, Always do. The
Speaker 6: Cleveland Browns and the New York Football Giants are fielding
Speaker 6: trade inquiries for their early picks in the National Football
Speaker 6: League draft. The Titan The Tennessee Titans aren't answering the
Speaker 6: phone with the first pick overall, but sources tell ESPN
Speaker 6: the Browns have the second pick. Giants a third pick
Speaker 6: have received trade calls over the past forty eight hours.
Speaker 6: Sixty six years old is Terry Francona. Congratulations, Happy birthday,
Speaker 6: April nineteen fifty nine. Also, Willey, we want to say
Speaker 6: congratulations to the Right State Raiders. They went back to
Speaker 6: back Horizon League tournament championships. Let's get him in here
Speaker 6: in an automatic bid to the NCAA Men's Golf Tournament.
Speaker 6: Are you still working on d Alexander? Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 6: heard a thing from Purcell Maryon at all.
Speaker 1: Nothing. We put out the water, put out the chum always.
Speaker 6: This year that team posted that they were seventeen over par,
Speaker 6: eleven shots better than Cleveland State. They got junior let's
Speaker 6: see individual runner up and junior Shane os also sophomore
Speaker 6: Madison or Mason grad Timothy Hollandbeck a grad student at
Speaker 6: of Moler, a man of Moeler is a brock Rumky,
Speaker 6: and junior of Milford grad is Adam.
Speaker 1: Horn seeing the garbage business that Rumpky graduate graduations to
Speaker 1: Wright State, Wright State round thunder the Xavier and women's
Speaker 1: tennis teams going to the NCAA tournament, and the Gauls
Speaker 1: is the women's golf team as the UC women's golf
Speaker 1: team played the Xavier women's golf team. Because I played
Speaker 1: a chipped and puttett with the UC female golf team
Speaker 1: at Lisantaville with Mike McCall.
Speaker 6: That I don't know, Willy, I know that I think
Speaker 6: tonight at six. It's a uc An x and Bay.
Speaker 6: I think at Hayden Field. I'd have to go there.
Speaker 6: Just saying out in Miami Town. Yeah, I mean you know,
Speaker 6: I think it's college baseball tonight. The Crosstown shootout in baseball,
Speaker 6: Xavier won the last game with like three runs in
Speaker 6: the ninth to beat the Cats in Clifton.
Speaker 1: That's a problem. How about that center fielder for the
Speaker 1: Bearcats over the shoulder catch Willie May style bingo? How
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 6: But nothing's better, nothing's better than number forty four? Eric,
Speaker 6: mister DLC over the week?
Speaker 1: What about Cees? What about it? Where is he now?
Speaker 1: He's hurt, He's always hurt. What's wrong with him now?
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I think the knee bones connected to
Speaker 1: the thigh bone. And then you got Matt McClain.
Speaker 6: Is he hurt? I think the I think the Reds
Speaker 6: are playing that game operation Remember you put the bones
Speaker 6: in there if you hit the side.
Speaker 1: How do you get hurt this much when you're twenty
Speaker 1: five years old? Don't ask me.
Speaker 6: I don't get it. I'm hurting at sixty seven. I'm
Speaker 6: always hurt. You I'm hurting. Yeah, Well, give me out
Speaker 6: of the students report Willie and Otter of a beautiful
Speaker 6: day here at the tri State and once again, Happy
Speaker 6: Earth Day to all.
Speaker 1: Earth Day is well taken care of because of the
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Speaker 6: Do something to do something today for our big blue marble.
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