WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.480 You live today at the Utah Red Zone here on campus. 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:06.919 We used to call it the Bookstore for you old utes, 3 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:09.359 so you know right where that is. 4 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:10.599 Right across from the library. 5 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:12.640 You can park in the visitors a lot to give 6 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:14.640 you a thirty minute time limit and then you better 7 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:17.160 be in your vehicle after that or they will ticket you. 8 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:19.839 A bunch of great deals on yout gear to get 9 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:23.280 you ready for football season and basketball season two. Saw 10 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:26.480 Alex Jensen here at the bookstore earlier and Wes Wilcox, 11 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:30.679 the general manager of the Utah men's basketball program. We'll 12 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:33.840 bring in Sammy More today from Ute Zone to talk 13 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:36.840 some Utah football. Former Utah running back Zach Moss will 14 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.359 stop by later on. But on a Wednesday afternoon, let's 15 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:43.679 welcome in my friend Andy Larson from the Salt Lake Tribune. Andy, 16 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:44.560 Happy Wednesday, buddy. 17 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:45.000 How are you doing. 18 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:46.920 I'm good, man, How are you? 19 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:49.960 I'm good? I'm good. So not a lot of jazz 20 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:50.799 stuff going on. 21 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.880 And I think I can if I stretch my imagination, 22 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.200 I think I can picture a forty six, forty seven 23 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.200 year old Andy Larson with a couple of dough being 24 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:02.840 kids driving a minivan. I think I could probably picture 25 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.840 that at some point, but we'll we'll deal with that later. 26 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.840 The Mini Van himself has been traded back to the 27 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:12.760 Utah Jazz. George Niang and a couple of second rounders 28 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.000 to the Jazz, a salary dump move for the Celtics. 29 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.359 Your thoughts on this deal and whether it really means 30 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:21.519 anything at all for the Jazz in the interim or 31 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:22.120 in the future. 32 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.159 Yeah, look, I mean it's the kind of deal that 33 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.840 the Jazz should be doing, right like. This is the 34 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:31.760 kind of thing that I had wanted them to use 35 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.840 their salary on in the last few years. And the 36 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:39.120 Danny Ainge era was rather than kind of signing your 37 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:42.400 threw you banks, is you get trading for John Collins, 38 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:48.400 is use that salary to go get draft picks and 39 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:51.200 and get assets in a return for players, right like. 40 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.000 And that's really what the Oklahoma City Thunder did, most 41 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:56.760 notably with the Al Horford deal. Got a first round 42 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:59.280 pick to take on the contract, then sent out, then 43 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.680 got another first round pick to trade him to the Celtics, 44 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:06.840 you know, And so for the Jazz to get two 45 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:08.639 second round picks on the front end of this deal 46 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:10.719 makes a lot of sense to take on what's not 47 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.599 a big salary, and then I think they could potentially 48 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:18.080 get a pick in trading Yang later on if he 49 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:20.759 plays well. Now, he didn't play that well for the 50 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.159 Cavaliers last season. He did play pretty well for the 51 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:26.159 Atlanta Hawks. We'll see, you know where he ends up 52 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:29.039 falling out in twenty twenty five to twenty six. But again, 53 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:31.280 it's the kind of move that the Jazz should be making. 54 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:35.000 And you know, what George does on the basketball court 55 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.159 is of frankly no real matter to the Jazz because 56 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:39.520 they're not gonna win anyway. 57 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:46.400 So yusef Nurkics, George Niang, Kevin Love, and Kyle Anderson. 58 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:50.000 Of the four vets that are technically still employed by 59 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.400 the Utah Jazz, how many of them will be employed 60 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:53.080 on opening night? 61 00:02:54.800 --> 00:03:01.400 On opening night? I would say two, maybe three of them. Look, 62 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.199 I mean, obviously there aren't enough minutes for all those 63 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:06.400 guys plus council about k plus you know the Ace 64 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:09.319 Bailey plus remaining Jazz use that you know, Lowry Market 65 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.960 and obviously three or you know the three and four 66 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:14.599 the Jazz have on the Trotter or Brice sense Abot, 67 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:18.439 et cetera, et cetera. But I do think that, like, 68 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:21.599 you know, there you can just kind of fit those 69 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:25.159 guys and kind of do some rotation rotating stuff that uh, 70 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.680 you know they did last year, right. I don't think 71 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:29.599 that Jazz are going to like look to dump those 72 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:34.400 guys for for negative value and and yeah, you know, 73 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.919 ultimately maybe there's a team or two that decides this 74 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.960 is the right thing. But yeah, you know, I it's 75 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:43.319 it's hard to say, like right now, no one's like 76 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.599 in the market for like a backup for or maybe 77 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.560 backup three and depending on what you think Kyle Anderson 78 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.560 is right now. But you know, I would be a 79 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:56.080 little bit surprised to see Kevin Love remain with the team. 80 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.240 We'll see, Like, I don't think there's a lot of 81 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:01.159 I think that As are gonna kind of play this 82 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:03.759 out until training camp and see what kind of interest 83 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:04.840 there is around the league. 84 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.840 So you know, I do feel like there is the 85 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.759 potential and I don't know how Will's going to approach this. 86 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:17.920 And I understand what Austin has said about you know, 87 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.199 playing the young players, and it feels like that is 88 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.399 the team's approach this year. I just can't imagine, like 89 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.800 if those guys are still on the roster, and you know, 90 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:32.040 Will decides to play usif Nurkic twenty twenty five minutes 91 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.680 or George Niang twenty twenty five minutes, or even Kevin 92 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:40.000 Love or Kyle Anderson. I do feel like there's the 93 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:44.720 potential of a frustrated fan base that could see minutes 94 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.720 that should go to Ace and Walter Clayton Junior and 95 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.000 the rest of the young players. If any of those 96 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.160 minutes are allocated to the Vets. What do you think 97 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:53.720 the reaction is going to be here in the market. 98 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:57.040 Yeah, people are gonna be mad, and I think like 99 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.279 fairly so, right, Like, it doesn't make any sense to 100 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:02.839 play like use of Nurkis is a perfect example, right 101 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:06.920 Like his coach in Bosnia just said be euro Basket 102 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:09.040 that he's not he's so out of shape he's not 103 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.040 even sure he can run right now, So like, you know, 104 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:14.199 what are we doing if you're playing Nirks? What are 105 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.680 you doing? Right? But some dumped him too, you know 106 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:21.120 it just it doesn't make sense. But I guess if 107 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:23.480 you play Nirkic over those guys right like now, if 108 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.040 they're injuries and you know you need someone to fill 109 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:30.120 the minute, great maybe you feel like you can motivate 110 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:35.040 a non hard worker to work harder if you play George, 111 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.319 you know, if if if you know, guy makes a defensive, 112 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:41.000 bone headed move fits for a couple of minutes, and 113 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.240 then you throw George Yang in the game or whatever. Right, 114 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.959 But ultimately it's not like George is a great defender either, 115 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.519 you know, It's just yeah, I mean, I think the 116 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:52.360 organization has been pretty clear that, hey, this is going 117 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.439 to be about the youth, and they're going to make 118 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.279 the playing time decisions that rek like that. 119 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:04.000 How would you articulate the Austin Ainge experience so far 120 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:06.920 and what are the differences that you've seen in the 121 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.399 decision making process with Austin being the primary voice as 122 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.879 opposed to whoever it was before him. And I don't 123 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.600 I still don't think we fully understand whether that was 124 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.959 Danny or Justin. I mean, I suppose the buck stops 125 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.120 with the owner, and it stops with the owner with 126 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:24.759 the jazz now in a way that it didn't used 127 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:26.720 to stop with the jazz, And quite frankly, it stops 128 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:28.240 with the owner in a way that it really doesn't 129 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.199 stop with a lot of teams in the NBA because 130 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:33.439 that's Ryan's approach, which is is right because the man 131 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.600 with the gold makes the rules. But now that we 132 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:38.639 have a few months of Austin being in charge, how 133 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:41.040 would you articulate what you perceived to be maybe the 134 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:43.600 differences or kind of what what has that dynamic been 135 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:44.079 like for you? 136 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.759 The big difference is, you know, I think we saw 137 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.439 in the Colin Sex and you and Colin's fields where 138 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:54.639 they were willing to take pretty bad value deals back 139 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.439 in order to fix a timeline. And I think what 140 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.680 this Jazz team has un poorly in the last couple 141 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.959 of years is go half in on the timeline, right, 142 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:09.399 whether that's acquiring a John Collins when they did in 143 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:14.240 their in the rebuild, whether that wasn't moving Colin Secon earlier, 144 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:18.639 whether that was extending Jordan Clarkson. They have made moves 145 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:23.240 this summer to need to basically get away from those 146 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.720 mistakes that I think Danny Inge clearly stuffs too long 147 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.879 with those guys now, you know, And I think this 148 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.240 Georgi Youang deal is more about the picks than it 149 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.839 is about George Yang. And you know, the the chances 150 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:40.279 the Jazz have one kind of last big chance to 151 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:42.519 do this with Larry Markinen and then maybe you can 152 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:44.600 do it on the side with the four veterans you named, 153 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:48.000 But like you know, that's to me, the big issue, 154 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.879 the biggest clear difference from from Austin age to to 155 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.560 its predecessors is that willingness to lose on a deal 156 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.839 to make it uh fit the timeline fits the actual action. 157 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:04.279 Rebuild the Jazz team from what they've been doing over 158 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:05.519 the last few years. 159 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:08.160 One more jazz question, then we'll move on to some 160 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.959 other things. Actually, no, two more jazz questions. The first 161 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:15.519 one to ask you is do you anticipate any other movement? 162 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:18.959 I mean, I want to say they traded Donovan in 163 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:21.639 August or September, and I think they traded about Donovich 164 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:25.079 in like late September, and you know, most of the 165 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:28.279 big deals in pro basketball are probably done. That could 166 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.000 change if there's some sort of seismic Yiannis situation or something. 167 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.080 And there's still some decent players out there that are unsigned. 168 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.720 But do you feel like I think the roster's full, 169 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.600 I think they've met their salary requirements hit the floor. 170 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:42.120 Do you think this is the Jazz team we're going 171 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:42.879 to see come fall? 172 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:45.960 Yeah? I mean, they don't have to do anything, but 173 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.600 I'm kind of with you that, like, hey, they can't 174 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.840 have this many veterans. They probably do make one move 175 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.759 before then, you know, we got to figure out what 176 00:08:54.919 --> 00:09:00.120 the John Ponzie deal is. There's some small stuff. I 177 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.679 would be surprised ever we see a marketing deal before 178 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.600 training camp. I mean, I think it just makes sense 179 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.799 to let him play the beginning of the season kind 180 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.960 of try to raise his value. He's had a good 181 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:15.159 preparation for EuroBasket so far. And because I do think 182 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.919 Quake of all the Jazz's players that veterans who didn't 183 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.320 have trade value in the end, Blowry is clearly a 184 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.480 step or five above, and so to give him the 185 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:27.000 opportunity to show off that value, I think it's probably 186 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.519 worth doing, all right. 187 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:32.360 Last one, our buddy Gordon Monson, our mutual friend who 188 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:34.279 I did radio with for years and you work with 189 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.279 over the trib wrote. 190 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:38.600 A piece in response to a survey that was done. 191 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.919 By the Action Network, and I've talked about it since 192 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:45.000 Gordon wrote it, and I've discussed it with guests. Essentially, 193 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:47.879 there's a big portion of this fan base that feels 194 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.080 like they're a priced there's a big portion of this 195 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:53.799 fan base that is unhappy with results. 196 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:54.399 Obvious. 197 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:56.919 That's obvious because the results have been really bad for 198 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:59.000 three years and they're going to be really bad for 199 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.120 maybe another two or three years. I feel like we 200 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:06.080 have a very smart basketball market and Jazz fans rule, 201 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.559 and they continue to show up and they continue at 202 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.840 least at the arena to show patients and show that 203 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:16.200 they're still invested. The local TV ratings were down this 204 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.720 year juxtapposed to what they are when the Jazz are good. 205 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:21.559 I don't know if that's too surprising, But what are 206 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.360 your thoughts on what this survey said? And do you 207 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:25.840 think there are certain portions of this fan base that 208 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:27.519 have their patients wearing thin a bit? 209 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.120 Yeah, you know, it was it was an interesting survey, 210 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.200 and it's a small sample size, right, Like I think 211 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:35.440 it was three thousand fans in the NBA, which is 212 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.639 you know, about one hundred for the Jazz. That being said, like, look, 213 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.159 I do think and you here and I hear from 214 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.480 them all the time that there were a significant continual 215 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:48.320 of Jazz fans that feels that this is not going 216 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:50.840 well right, that this rebuild is taking a really long 217 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:53.919 time that maybe they send Afrited Donovan Minrudy and then heck, 218 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:56.440 even if you say, hey, the three build is the 219 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:58.720 right thing to do, maybe you should treat your fans 220 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:00.440 a little bit better. And while they're think there have 221 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.840 been significant wins on that with you know, I'm going 222 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:05.519 to count like Jazz plus or SEG plus as a 223 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.600 big part of that, I think there have been significant 224 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.320 l's too, right, Like they've raised season ticket prices six 225 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:16.480 percent last year for some fans win and I think 226 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.840 it's an average of three percent if I'm remembering that, right, 227 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.639 despite the team being the worst team in Jazz franchise history, 228 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.639 and I think kind of blaming the fans for those 229 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:28.080 those ticket prices and in ways that I thought was 230 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:34.399 really pretty unfair. I think there's significant Yeah, you know, 231 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.159 I think those are significant and real worries that I 232 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:42.879 understand fans concern, and ultimately I wish the mister Entertainment 233 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.759 group was a little bit more caring about what those 234 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:49.000 fans say, because I do think, for you know, there's 235 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.159 they have put off this mindset of well, if you 236 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.720 don't like it, you can leave, and I don't think 237 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.120 that's the right way to treat fans who have been 238 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:01.320 around for a decade, you know, following Jazz. I mean, 239 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:04.720 this is just a beloved franchise, so that thinks that 240 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.039 you know, they're having good things too, and I think 241 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.399 that's worth noting. Again, everything is solved by the Jazz 242 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.720 being good one day, and if they turn out not 243 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.360 to make the playoff for a decade, then we're gonna 244 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:19.600 see some really negative opinions about Ryan Smith. And you're 245 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:21.240 kind of continue to grow. 246 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.120 Okay, Andy Larson, mister triple team, mister Jazz b writer 247 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.039 from The Tribune. I don't know if we're going to 248 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:32.000 have a triple option coming soon, but you've been writing 249 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:35.200 about Utah football, and you were up at the practice 250 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.279 facility during media availability recently and you wrote a piece 251 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.200 steeped in solid evidence that we've discussed on the show 252 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.600 and other people have pontificated on what Utah would look 253 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.600 like would have looked like last year if they even 254 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:53.840 had a competent offense, and there's a lot of optimism 255 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.559 that the offense will be both competent and maybe even 256 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.320 more than that this year. I am more of a 257 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:01.840 you know, miss ur state motto, show me guy. I 258 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.799 don't know enough about these players, including Devin, including the 259 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.360 wide receivers, to make any sort of audacious claim about 260 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:11.679 what they can be this year, but based off of 261 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.080 kind of what you dug in and what you witness 262 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:15.960 when you were up here not too long ago writing 263 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.960 about the utes, do you feel like you've seen enough 264 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.559 to at least believe have some confidence this offense can 265 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:25.679 be confident enough to compliment which will be another excellent 266 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:26.440 defensive unit. 267 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:30.159 Yeah. Look, you know, I think there's real reason to 268 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.080 be optimistic about it. And I think the biggest reason 269 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.639 to be optimistic about it is how for the quarterback 270 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.320 situation was last year, right, Like, it is really really 271 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.080 easy to improve on the two hundred and fiftieth ranks 272 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.759 quarterback and college football last year. And you know, if 273 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.519 you look at the other quarterback to play, the three 274 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:51.200 hundred ranked quarterback by Pro Football focuses creating system which 275 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.200 you know has some plause, but like overall where you 276 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:57.720 can do some sort of analysis on it is pretty 277 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.519 reasonable for where like Isaac Wilson and and the rest 278 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.360 injured camerasing it that our Brenda Roads ended up last year. 279 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.559 I think Devin Dempire is a really good quarterback and 280 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.080 in fact is rated really highly by Pro Football Focuses 281 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:13.919 metrics and kind of had enough good games against good 282 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:15.879 competition last year that you can see it's kind of 283 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:19.720 really working in the Big twelve. I'm less confident unlike 284 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:23.600 the running attack when it goes through the running backs 285 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:27.480 and just frankly kind of outside the tackles wide receiving, 286 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:33.240 just the wide receiver corps is you know, it is 287 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:35.720 what it is. It's it's asking a lot. You have 288 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:37.960 a lot of different options from a lot of kind 289 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:42.559 of unproving guys at the P four level. But I 290 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:47.120 just think that like, hey, if you block well and 291 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:49.639 I think this utha offensive line will and you have 292 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:53.159 a good quarterback who creates plays out of nothing like 293 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:56.679 Devin Dempier does. Like I think, ultimately it's pretty easy 294 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:59.639 to imagine the youth offense being a touchdown better next year. 295 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.799 And if they're touchdown better next year, then all of 296 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.440 a sudden, you know they are a eight, nine to 297 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:08.039 ten win team and maybe even more. Right so, if 298 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.559 everything comes together, then yes they can be a playoff team. 299 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.399 And that's kind of what's so exciting to see. We'll 300 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:16.000 see what ends up happening. You know, it's always easy 301 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.120 to kind of say that now when it's preseasons, But 302 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:20.679 I do think there are real, real reasons to be 303 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:22.080 optimist about this use offense. 304 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.960 What are what's the other side of it if if 305 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.120 you took the if you just took the contrarian point 306 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:33.360 of view as far as what your concerns are, Because 307 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:34.759 for me, I'll just go back to what I said 308 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.080 when inenter the question, I've got to see it. I 309 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.360 always say this during the first portion of the college 310 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:44.519 football season. It's observation, not conclusion. And they've got a 311 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:49.279 pretty soft landing spot in non con with a UCLA 312 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.519 team that's in flux, cow Poly team that they'll smoke 313 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:55.519 by sixty and a road trip to Laramie, which shouldn't 314 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:57.679 be an issue. So I've got to wait to see 315 00:15:57.679 --> 00:15:59.399 what they look like, you know, with this kind of 316 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:01.879 soft landing spot in non con But if he took 317 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:03.720 the other side of it, reasons to be a little 318 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.559 bit you know, skeptical and critical about what this could 319 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:07.879 look like. 320 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:09.039 What does that sound like, Andy? 321 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:13.639 Yeah, I think like Devin Dempier had some turnovers last 322 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:17.639 year and some interceptions, and I guess you know, obviously 323 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:20.480 the height issue I think is notable, right, Like, I 324 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:23.480 went to practice and he is relatively short among quarterbacks, 325 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.879 there's no doubt about it. Kind of like the worst 326 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:31.320 case scenario looks like essentially he ends up throwing some 327 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:35.720 picks early and then Kyle Whittingham kind of takes the 328 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:37.960 keys away from him a little bit, right, And to 329 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:40.000 be fair, we have seen that in the history of 330 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:43.000 the youth offense. Is uh, oh, we have a quarterback 331 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:45.720 who made a mistake. It's time to run the football, 332 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:50.399 and that approach is probably not the best in terms 333 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:54.000 of scoring points in twenty twenty five, and especially may 334 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:56.279 not be the best approach given you know what looks 335 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.399 to be a two back running back system and you 336 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.399 know what what ends up being, you know, may need 337 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.000 to be a one dimensional offense if those rains are 338 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.680 pulled away. So that would be kind of like the 339 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:13.960 scenario to me that maybe most likely that I see. Okay, 340 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.039 all of a sudden, the youth offend struggles a little bit, 341 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:19.279 the defense isn't as strong as you hoped, and then 342 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.400 you know you're looking at probably still better than five 343 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.359 and seven, but like six wins, seven wins becomes a 344 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:26.079 real possibility. 345 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.799 All right, Andy, let's do a little RSL before I 346 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.000 say you loose man. I've talked about this at problem 347 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:36.119 on this week. We just chatted with CK. I'm not 348 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.079 one to go too hard on officials as it pertains 349 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:40.759 to results. 350 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:43.400 I think there are other things you can control. 351 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.400 And my sincere belief is over time, these things even out. 352 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.359 I get the frustrations. The Lunas stuff against New York 353 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.400 was wild. I mean it looked to me like even 354 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:53.960 in real time, you should have been able to see 355 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.839 that he was drugged down. But there's also part of 356 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:58.759 me that believes that kid needs some rest and maybe 357 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.440 a week off against Charlotte and the worst thing and 358 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:03.720 then I guess the pks. We could debate whether or 359 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:06.160 not those were the right calls, but before we get 360 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.720 to your confidence level or lack there of the rest 361 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:10.880 of the rest of the way, how did you digest 362 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:12.279 that result against the Red Bulls? 363 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.200 Yeah, you know, it's it's both stuff and fair, if 364 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:18.839 that makes sense. Right Like, you got out to a big, 365 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:22.599 big Elder lead and a good goal from Gozo, and 366 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:26.119 then I didn't like much of what I saw from 367 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.000 RSL after that, Right, Like the Red Bull did play 368 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:32.880 the better game clearly from from that point and had 369 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:35.720 way more chances and Arthl went off the back foot 370 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.640 and went off the front foot and couldn't get a 371 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:42.279 whole lot else going. And so that's what you know 372 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.880 we've seen when RCEL is playing poorly, is just they 373 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.680 can't get bad attack going. And it was kind of 374 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.279 a return to that, like April may form a little bit, 375 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:53.920 which is which is troubling. Again, Diogo was a no show, 376 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:59.039 so look and then yes, the Diego Luna stuff was 377 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:01.119 insane and that or he should be made fun of 378 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:04.400 every time he's seen in Utah and et cetera, et cetera, 379 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.079 Like he should. He's a bad person who should feel bad. 380 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.960 I think, like ultimately though two to one isn't an 381 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:14.519 unfair result, and I do just want to see kind 382 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.799 of the game changing additions on the pitch for more 383 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.279 of it, right like Ron Cruise and and always like 384 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:24.599 should make a difference and you can see spaces where 385 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:27.319 they can make a difference and hopefully this can be 386 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.599 more cohesive of an attack. You know, some of it. 387 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:32.319 I think with the field to in New York, that 388 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.640 was a terrible field they played on so it's always 389 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.559 going to be kind of sloppy, but RCEL looks and 390 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:40.720 played sloppy, and I think ultimately it's hard to really 391 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.160 too fairly complain about the two one result given how 392 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:45.240 the ninety minutes win. 393 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.960 If we pan back a little bit. Do you believe 394 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:55.000 the officiating in MLS is a problem, Yes. 395 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:58.160 But it always is. Like I don't necessarily believe that 396 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:02.079 pro has gotten worse. I do things like it's harder 397 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:04.799 for them now because there are more teams and MLS 398 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.720 and therefore more games for them to referee. But I 399 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:12.160 you know, I think ultimately, honestly, VR has generally done 400 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:16.200 a pretty good job. Like Inside Video Review every week 401 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.440