Speaker 1: Welcome aboard another brand smag new episode of the Patreon.
Speaker 2: Exclusive recap of.
Speaker 1: The first season of Below Deck og the Maiden Voyage.
I'm Dylan, settled up next to one Patrick Kicky. Great
to be here and joining us today. Quite a character
in the tapestry of Below Deck, an integral character to
season one. It is the devil herself, Chief Stu. Adrian,
how are you?
Speaker 3: How are you doing.
Speaker 2: Doing good?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: You mentioned that because the episode title was that I
believe I'm bunking with the devil or something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Adrian. I would never call her the devil. Okay,
I know Culver. I don't quite call him the devil either,
But he's What we're trying to say, is or what
I'm trying to say is I appreciate you coming on
the show because you you had a tough edit. You
had a tough I don't know. It was the first
season of this reality television show. It was ten years ago.
You've likely changed quite a bit. But we're going to
go through, you know, maybe a stressful and toxic time
in your life. So I appreciate you coming on and
talking about it.
Speaker 3: No worries, I think for what it's worth. Everybody lives
and learns. Being able to watch yourself on TV is
a bit of a learning curve, and I think, especially
for what we dealt with season one, we were guinea pigs.
You know, we didn't have a format set ahead of
us for what this was going to be or what
it was going to look like. And quite honestly, I
thought the entire time that we were filming that the
very last day they were going to shut off the
cameras and stay surprised it was all a joke, because
I couldn't fucking believe that this is what was happening
in my life. Like it just didn't make any sense
from start to finish. So so he look, I'm good
with it.
Speaker 5: Here's where the good cop comes in, which I'm always
a good cop. I want to let the audience know,
all you judge bastards out there, and Dylan and I
are judge bastards to a certain degree.
Speaker 2: We get paid.
Speaker 5: That's a great point, But seventy percent of your asses,
if we filmed you on a reality TV of all
of us, you'd you'd be very not happy with how
you're perceived, especially when someone didn't like the way that
you gave someone a look, or how you presented an
argument to somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you might not have been as bad
as Adrian, who was pretty monstrous the first season. But
that goes to say, I mean a lot of people,
you know, we we just had a fan made up.
I understand you guys want us to beat the shit
out of the people that you aren't your favorite characters
on these reality television shows. I want to too. It's
very fun for me to get into confrontations. But the
thing is one we don't care enough to do so
to the degree that you want us to. And also,
this is just a different environment, and this in particular
was ten years ago.
Speaker 4: So all right, can we do some housekeeping? I all right.
So Sam was on the show. She was nice enough
to come on.
Speaker 5: You and I have spoken a little bit off air,
and you had said you heard her say some things
on the show that you your recollection of the experience
was slightly different in some things that she had said
on the podcast. One thing, I just for Clarity's sake,
when Johnny Eyelash with the whole cocaine incident and shutting
down that charter, just for Clarity, just for a second
person coming in. You guys did not strike and tell
the producers that you felt that they basically planted that cocaine.
Speaker 4: Did that ever happen? Any clarity on that, Yes.
Speaker 3: We did, I will say is the people that had
something to lose absolutely did. Myself, Lee, Ben and Alix
were the only people that had a career in yachting
or anything to lose if that went down. So the
four of us, and Eddie and Dave, who both understood
very well, like Dave has been a marine, so he understands,
and Eddie, who's worked in the maritime industry, not necessarily yachting,
understood that if something like that happened, especially in a
foreign country, that we would be scurwed. So right after
the charter, not after the first one, after the second one,
because that was a very quick turnover. Really, they had
generally the who is the executive director or whatever the
hell of her title was for Bravo fly down and
set us all down in the salon and tell us
that they in fact did not plant drugs, that there
was no way that that happened. We had a meeting
with the production company that was on site with us first,
because all of us were like, look, if this is
the way that the rest of the six weeks is
going to be, we're out of here. Like nobody wants
to fucking be here and deal with this. The captain
has a license, Alex has a license. You know, we
all have a career in this and we want to
be able to do it afterwards. The people who didn't
care and who didn't have a career in yachting didn't
give a shit. And that's why when I listened to
her interview the other day after you guys contacted me,
I was really surprised that she didn't remember that entire
sit now because it definitely happened, and I was like,
I'm done with this. I'm out of here. They tried
to get us not to tell Lee did it happened
at first. Then they said, okay, well, if we're going
to tell Lee, let's just tell them that it happened
and we'll flush it and we'll you know, we won't.
It won't be a thing, and that's not how that
goes well.
Speaker 5: So they wanted to keep sorry to interrupt you, So
the producers at the time, they wanted to just keep
production rolling, and they felt that the integrity of Captain
Lee and Alec and you guys would have stopped production
and possibly ruined a whole thing of filming.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And keep in mind, this is the first trip
out of the gate on a brand new venture that
none of us were really mentally prepared for, and that
was the first thing that happened. Like, what the actual.
Speaker 1: Fuck ironically boat ironically on a boat called Honor? You know,
it just breaks my heart, you know, Adrian, I want
to before we get into the episode, I want to
talk to you, of course, want to ask you if
Cat and Sam are the worst, if Sam was the
worst person you've ever had under you. But we'll get
into that in the episode. But what is your what
was your experience in the yachting industry before you got
a boat or the vessel Honor? And if you could
kind of just try to fit an answer to this
question in there, where are the yachts you can do
blow on? Because it just seems like these yachts are
just such a bummer. I mean, you're supposed to be
able to fight primates and do blow you know, I
don't know, I don't.
Speaker 4: They're different yachts. They're different yachts, but I'll let Andrea
Adrian answer that.
Speaker 3: So to answer the latter question, Miami Beach Marina, No,
I'm kidding. In reality, no, yachts really should be allowing that.
But that doesn't mean they don't exist, and that doesn't
mean that people don't look the other way. We just
can't look the other way when there's three video cameras
recording it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right right, like duh yeah, John Legends snort in
some fucking Columbian pow wow off Chrissy Teagan's asshole.
Speaker 2: You guys don't Jack, what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: No, they yacht every summer, you know.
Speaker 2: But I don't think he snorts it on.
Speaker 3: I feel like they would have the discretion to do
it in a place where the crew wouldn't see it
or have to find anything, you know. I believe that
he probably would snort all of it and not leave
any proof behind, right right right, especially if it was
on her Ask.
Speaker 1: Right, what was your first question, Dylan? What was your
experience in the yachting industry before you got on below deck?
Speaker 3: I had been step in the yachting industry before that,
so the way that it worked out initially, so I
was part of the team that put the show together
from the beginning. So we worked on that for three
years before we ever even turned on a camera to record.
Speaker 1: What do you mean you worked on it for three years,
creating a sizzle reel, pitching it.
Speaker 3: Correct. And we were initially supposed to have one hundred
and thirty foot yacht, which means that Alice would have
been qualified and licensed to drive it.
Speaker 2: And now you're speaking of porcupine Head, that's.
Speaker 3: Correct, and Sonic the Hedgehogs, and so we would have
He would have been the captain, I would have been
the chef. I don't know who would have been the
chief Sue not Cat, but there was somebody else that
they had casted for that role, and he didn't end
up making the first season, I think because they splid
me into the chiefs role. But once we toured the
boat and did a walk around, they realized that there
was never going to be enough room for us as crew,
eight guests and ten to twelve production crew at the
same time. One hundred and thirty foot boats sounds like
a big boat, but when you have that many people
on it, if not. And so they ended up deciding
kind of at the last minute to upgrade to a
larger boat, which is how we got honor Or corter Leone,
which is also how we got Lee because Lee was
actually the captain of records for that boat, and that's
how Alex got split into the first mate role, which
if you notice, since then, they haven't really had a
first mate. They had both right ever since, but he
got split into that spot when he got casted. He
thought he was the captain and that's what he agreed to,
and then they changed that and kind of told him
at the last minute, and he was pissed. So he
had a chip on his shoulder the entire season. But
for a lot of different reasons, I appreciated him because
he was and Ben were really the only two other
people on that boat who had any yachting experience, where
Brad had been in the industry for like a year maybe,
and then nobody else had got an experience, so between
the three of us we were the only ones that
had any real yachting experience. I got along with Ben
as well as I did is because I have done
his job and I knew how to communicate with him.
I knew what he needed from me.
Speaker 5: Adrian, who was the initial team that helped sell the show.
You mentioned yourself and was Ben part of that initial
sizzle reel.
Speaker 3: No, no, I know. I was the only one to
the first season everybody else. Actually, what happened is that
I recruited a bunch of friends of mine because they
couldn't they didn't have a good marketing team at the
time to try to figure out how to sell the show.
So I just called a bunch of my friends and said, hey,
this is what we're doing. They'll pay you, you know whatever.
It was two hundred and fifty bucks for the day
film this little sizzle reel we shot down to Miami.
If you remember the boat that they did that Lonely Island,
did I'm on a boat?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, I remember that. It was a boat.
Speaker 3: That Yeah, Well that boat they filmed that music video on.
That's the one you shot the sizzle reel on.
Speaker 2: Huh okay cool.
Speaker 1: So it's your fault that this show exists.
Speaker 2: So it's your fault that the show exists.
Speaker 1: And it's your fault that Captain Lee was introduced to
a little hamster droplet of fame and has led pat
to go into I mean almost aneurysms on this show.
Speaker 2: So it's your fault.
Speaker 3: You're not alone. Pat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're to ask so much juicy, fucking fucking shit.
Speaker 5: So Adrian, if you I'm saying, I'm speaking of Adrian
to the audience, if you don't want to think she's
a good sport, this episode is basically an episode calling
her satan.
Speaker 2: She's titterally called the devil.
Speaker 5: Yes, she's willing to come on here and make it
and have some fun and mix it up with us,
So give her some points for that, U assholes. Also,
it was mentioned we'll move on because we've talked about this.
She was initially cast as a chef and then they
slid her in for the purposes of filming a reality
TV show as the chiefs ste and I guess we'll
discuss that and how that kind of altered your role
or how.
Speaker 4: You were being perceived through the filming of the season.
Speaker 2: Shall we get started, Yeah, let's push this boulder down
a hill. We get a little bit of a recap.
Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode of Lee asking if
any of the sea rats drink. I don't know what
kind of fucking question that is. Not only is it
a little inappropriate, but it's it's is the sky blue,
you know kind of thing. I mean, it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 4: Also, do you have a mirror, buddy?
Speaker 1: So we last left off with your piece of shit
friend Simon making Cat quite uncomfortable at dinner, which led
her to her bunk, wherein a camera was angled away
from her and a door was closed. This the the
Rhode Island accent comes out, and you, I guess, can
assume that she is drinking at that point. Now her
story is that she was on adavan or something like that.
Speaker 2: So what what happened? Because you know what happened?
Speaker 3: I do. So I was down. I was down doing
dishes and beds and heads while Kat was serving, and
I think Sam and I were down. Sam was not
terribly quick at and head service, so I was down
doing that with her, helping her flip the rooms while
they were at dinner and Kat was serving. And I
wasn't privy to that entire conversation that happened at the
table when Kat was serving them, but she had started
to earlier in the evening. She was a little bit
more animated than usual, and I don't I didn't know
what was going on until I went. I took a
load of laundering down into the crew area, and one
of the camera operators came to me and said, go
look underneath, because at that point in time, kat I
were sharing a room, Go look underneath your bathroom, saying,
and I went in. So the bathroom is the only
place where there's no video surveillance, right, that's the only
place where they give you any privacy at all. And
well unless you go in there with someone else, I
guess was what they told us. But I went and
looked underneath there, and there was an empty bottle of
booze like there was maybe that much less and I
want to say that that one was tequila. He also
had it sitting on her like next to her shelf
on her bed the entire rest of the season. Once
it was empty, she was like using it to stop
like change and shit into it was a big bottle
of there was also there was also a bottle of vodka,
like cheap vodka that was under there too that I
didn't know about because I had never really looked underneath,
to be honest. And the camera operator came to me
and said, I can't say anything about this, but you
can bring it up, okay.
Speaker 1: So you knew that she was drunk at that point,
you knew that she was drinking, but where are the pills?
A complete fabrication. Was she taking that kind of medication?
Speaker 3: She definitely was, but you're not supposed to drink with it,
and so that's why she got so loopy and ben
can so she was not upset whatsoever that anybody was
talking about her boobs. For clarity, she was. She had
just gotten refurbishment on the balcony that she was very
proud of, and anytime she had the opportunity, she would
talk about it or show it off. So it's not
like she was shy about it. No one who does
that is and so the fact that they were bringing
attention to it didn't bother her until then went up
heard the conversation and said to her like, hey, love,
you know that's not cool, Like you shouldn't be a
okay with people talking to you like that. What's the deal?
And then she got upset about it, and then he
came to me and said, hey, this is what's going
on upstairs. And by the way, those weren't my best friends.
They were previous charter guests that I wrote into doing
this thing because Bravo couldn't get anybody to pay to
go on these charters. But anyway, right.
Speaker 2: Well, so I guess the problematic go ahead.
Speaker 4: So a couple things here.
Speaker 5: Obviously I still think Simon and his buddy was a pig,
But I understand where you can say perhaps she was saying,
I feel comfortable with my new breasts. I mean, we
obviously don't see this in an edit if it happened
in the world.
Speaker 4: But I obviously I can't. I don't want to.
Speaker 5: They were definitely being fucking scumbags. Look, we've gone a
lot in the last ten years, but I have a
question about the drinking and the pills. So we've seen
a season where a chief stew was terminated because there
was a maritime law that you need to check in
pan a storm any medication, because you know, you can
fall off the side of a fucking boat when you're loopy.
I mean, this is all dangerous shit. So did that
I guess law or regulation not exist during this time period,
because xanax or any of these pills should have been
checked into some sort of a case or something to
be then checked in and checked out.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 3: I have worked on in the last seventeen years that
I've been doing this. I have worked on hundreds of boats,
not an exaggeration. I freelance, so I have legitimately worked
hundreds of trips. I have never once had a captain
asked me what prescriptions I was on. What I will
do when as soon as I get onto a boat
that's new to me or a captain that is new
to me, I will go to them and tell them
that I have an EpiPen for a shelfish allergy. I
go to them, I tell them that I have it.
I tell them where it is so that way, if
somebody needs to administer it to me, then they know
where it is and how to get it and all
the rest of that stuff. But there was absolutely no
requirement that I have ever had on any yacht that
I have ever worked.
Speaker 4: The second question for.
Speaker 3: My medications to the captain wasn't.
Speaker 5: That Captain Sandy h Did you I don't know if
you watched that season or if you're still familiar with
the franchise. Did Captain Sandy stab Hannah through the heart
with that? And obviously I think it was the help
of Malia as well. So was that maybe some of
these old laws, like you know, like they'll say like
in eighteen seventy five you can't chew gum on the sidewalk,
you go to jail. That was written into some kind
of maritime law, but really it wasn't used in the
general sense of regulations on a boat. But Captain Sandy
possibly used that to get rid of Hannah because it
was expedients.
Speaker 3: Two things that are a possibility here. I actually wrote
a very long post on the below deck Reddit, Oh
why did you do that when when this happened, because
there was a lot of confusion and a lot of
MISSI and a lot of what they were saying on
TV was not accurate, and so I wrote a really like,
there's three doctors in the United States that issue an
eg WANT certificate. That's the health certificate you need to
be able to work on a yacht over a certain tonnage.
And I talked to all three of them, and all
of three of them agreed that they go through your
vision test, your heart rates, your physical ability, and your
prescriptions like your medications, and if they deem you see worthy,
that is all the captain needs to know about your
health history. That's it. It's just one piece of paper.
I actually posted a copy of mine on the Reddit
page to show this is all the captain me, so
this is this is it? Like?
Speaker 5: This is all you needn't have gotten fired captain.
Speaker 2: She also had a hashish pan.
Speaker 1: And I think that even though you're deemed sea worthy,
I mean, you could you It's listen, it's like you
get a license when you're sixteen, you crash into a
farmer's market.
Speaker 2: When you're eighty five.
Speaker 1: There's you know, you can develop anxieties and get new medication,
you know, three years after being considered seaworthy, right, I mean,
and I don't think it's good to true.
Speaker 3: And drugs of any kind are not accessible, you know,
controlled substances like that, and especially so the two things
that will make all the difference in this. It's not
necessarily a blanket maritime law for what it's worth, especially
when we're talking about the prescription that Hannah had. What
we're talking about is the contract that she would have
signed to work on that particular vessel, which is coordinated
between the management team that runs the boat and the
insurance company and what they require. So that's one possibility
that she violated their content. The second thing is the
flag state, So the flag seat of that particular vessel
was multi US and they have different regulations than a
US flag boat or a Jamaican flag boat or a
Marshall Islands flag boat. And I was never actually able
to get a hold of even though I contacted the
flag State of Malta to ask them for it, because
I wanted to know myself what rules I was subject
to if I worked.
Speaker 1: On a boat that was And I say this lovingly,
I say this lovingly, you are out of your mind.
Speaker 4: Well look, she was doing a podcast too for a while.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so insummation Sandy is the real devil and
there's nuance to it.
Speaker 5: There's different countries that have different laws. All right, should
we get back into the show. See all right, I
want to talk about CJ and Sam, so we in
the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the same question. Why.
Speaker 5: Well, because it seemed like a very forced romance.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 5: I was happy that she was not playing along with
this seem like a just a hit it and quit
it situation for her.
Speaker 2: But he was. It's so funny to watch, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like he he had a pretty nice piece on him,
you know, he was in shape and stuff like that.
But I would say that his Rihise is on parallel
with Harry. You know, like you can't tell a woman earnestly.
I care about you so much. That's why I make
your cereal in the morning. And I get that it's
a cute thing and all that, but uh, CJ. CJ
and Sam were just never going to work. I can't
wait to talk about her capability of trigonometry and calculus.
Speaker 2: But we'll get to the rocket stuff later.
Speaker 1: So yes, the I don't know, I don't fucking CJ
and Sam there, you know they're fucking.
Speaker 4: What do your take?
Speaker 5: Do you communicate with Do you have a relationship with
anybody from the original cast?
Speaker 3: I talked to Dave intermittently. He both around and I
see Ben occasionally. I mean he travels a bunch, and
so do I. But we both live in Fort Lauderdale,
so I mean we run into each other, and more
often than that it's people are like, oh, yeah, I
saw a chef bend the other day. I'm like, Okay,
we used to hang out a bunch, actually, but I
hang out more with people from other seasons that I've
become really really close with. So I mean, I throughout
the years, I have kind of become the trauma counselor
for a lot of people that go through filming the
show and then have immediately upon finishing has like Buyer's
remorts and need to figure out what's going on. So
I have taken a couple of people under my wing
to help them get through the trauma of filming their season,
because it really is a lot and what I think
is really unfortunate. And what I hope changes with what
Secany Krankle and some other peace are putting together right
now is that there will be a little bit more
support because it really does offend your entire life, and
they don't prepare you for that, They don't adequately tell
you before you do it what it really has the
potential to do. And I think that's.
Speaker 2: That's completely agree with you, completely agree.
Speaker 1: I do accept unless you're somebody on Love is Blind
who didn't make it out.
Speaker 2: Of the pods.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the fuck up and go back to your
banking job.
Speaker 2: But I just chill out.
Speaker 5: So Adrian Dylan and I recap old seasons of Rock
of Love and Flavor of Love.
Speaker 2: Good God, did they need counselor Rock of Love.
Speaker 5: I feel bad for a lot of the casts, not
Brett Michaels, of course, because now you can watch the
unedited version of that show on multiple streaming services in
which they aren't blurring the bodies, so you and they're
not blurring the swearing words or whatever. So imagine, in
two thousand and seven you signed a contract saying we
own all your images, and now in twenty twenty three,
Dylan and I are recapping it and we are watching
episodes of you fully naked.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about time capsule stuff, because I think
that one of the tough things about watching you as
Chiefs do on this vessel is that we're going back
in time through this lens in twenty twenty three. So,
whether it was murky editing or just a look back
on a different time, it your interaction with cap Post
Simon being a piece of shit was a little gross,
just because she had been sexually harassed, and there was
this onus from you that it was her responsibility to
figure the whole thing out. Now, I recognize that it
was a different time back then, but just looking at
it from where we are now, it seemed like I
think the audience was hoping, or now hopes that you
would have had a little bit bigger of his shoulder
for her to Lena, it's easy.
Speaker 3: To have tindsights, right. I didn't have all the information
at the time. She wasn't telling me anything when I
told her from dinner service because of what Ben said
to me. He said, get her out of there like this,
this is what just happened, and I'm very serious, like okay,
And I switched with her and I brought her down
to her room and I said, just hang out down here,
and she got mad at me because she felt like
she was being punished for what happened. And I said,
absolutely not. I'm pulling you from the situation if this
is making you uncomfortable. That was the conversation I had
with Ben. When I talked to her, she gave me
no information. She acted like everything was fine. But she
also did the same thing when the drug situation happened.
She acted like everything was fine, and then she was
really upset because she thought the crew was going to
be mad at her for screwing up the tip. So
the way that she goes through turns in her mind
about things, and the communication that she gave off to me,
and both of those situations were very different. And the
interpersonal conversations you saw her have with other.
Speaker 1: People, right right, And she was wasted and you were
in a pressure cooker. You'd never been in that position before.
So we've got a tornado of bad here.
Speaker 2: But we because we've.
Speaker 1: Got so much more to talk about the next morning,
I want to ask you about Sam because we've got
another dick bag moment from Simon, who you don't speak
to that guy anymore?
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, what a what a pig?
Speaker 3: I haven't spoken to him since maybe six months after
that show aired. Yeah, but Lee, but Lee still does.
Speaker 2: Oh Lee's good buddies with him.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the next morning we have Honestly it was a
funny moment from a ship bag Simon, but.
Speaker 2: Also such a dick move. Sam is talking about how
she helped you.
Speaker 3: Can I give you a little bit of ammunition here.
You know that Simon went to prison a couple of
years ago, right.
Speaker 2: Oh no, please arm us, Oh you're it's it was
a whole white collar I'm assuming I think Adrian.
Speaker 3: Froze was and there was something that happened there and
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, very definitely, And there was
some kind of fraud with a technology company and a
bunch of money and then he beat his wife, thought
and it was it was a whole thing. You can
look it up.
Speaker 1: This is a shock it You know what, Simon the
soul patch is a pretty good indicator that he could
commit fraud and domestic abews, but I think he should.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be a fliction tea shirt. It was.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of it.
Speaker 1: He did look like he was in a He would
walk into a grainy porn set and you'd be like,
oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're here, all right.
Speaker 5: So Adrian, real quick question because you mentioned this at
the top of the show, and how again, forgive me
for being the good cop.
Speaker 2: But on couch talk with Lee and Kate, he's really
Simon would be a great guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he'd be awesome.
Speaker 2: It'd be incredible.
Speaker 3: So they framed me couch behind them.
Speaker 5: They framed this as Simon was your great friend, and you,
to a certain degree coroborated that. Were you pressured by
production to make it look like the relationship was more
solidified than it actually was.
Speaker 1: And also the way you hugged him made it seem
like you'd had sex with them before.
Speaker 2: So was did that.
Speaker 3: Happen so right before they showed up. So Simon was
actually a pretty integral part of the show coming together
in the first place. He uh was basically the bank
for Below Deck the first season, so he was the
one who owned the charter company that all of the
charters were run through, and so all he was I
communicated with him. I contacted him before we after we
did disis Isle reel once Bravo picked up the show,
because it was Bravo MTVVH one and he that we
pitched the show to, and then Bravo was the one
that got it. So once we solidified that, I contacted
him to say, now we're going to start looking for
charter guests, would you guys be interested in And I
had had him on a charger before, and I knew
he was very entertaining. He was never that rude to me,
and he was like I had never seen that before.
I So I brought him in. I introduced him to
the producers. They brought him in in a financial way,
and we ended up spending hours and hours and hours
and hours and hours on the phone, and right before
he showed up off camera meeting happened because I was
ready to leave. I was ready to just fucking tell
everybody to kick rocks and be done with this entiresly,
just walk off. They threatened me twice. They threw me
into a van and one night because I went off
on the producers, like I just after one of the
nights where they took us out and they set up
a bunch of drinks and wouldn't let us eat dinner.
I went to town and just started screaming at all
of the producers and what terrible humans they were. And
they sent me with one of the producers to a
hotel for a night to quarantine me so that I
didn't tank.
Speaker 4: The rest of the cast in.
Speaker 3: The group possified. So one of the things that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty brilliant.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta divide and conquer. You have to
get the cancer out of the body.
Speaker 2: Right, So there's that wow, But that sounds.
Speaker 1: Like abu grabe kind of stuff, like they throw you
in a fuck did they put a hood on you?
Speaker 3: No, they just threw me into a van and took
me away and brought me back the next day that
I had chance to school down. But they very early
on one of the things that they did that so
They never told us what to say or what to do.
What they did do was manipulate us in a lot
of different ways. And one of the things that they
did is they told the rest of the They told
me before we even started filming that I was going
to be the bitch everybody loved to hate. And I
was like, that doesn't sound They.
Speaker 5: Got that with Kate Schastain later on. Do what they
got that with Kate Chastain later on? If that was
the archetect they were creating.
Speaker 1: Well, Kate had a little bit more charisma to her awfulness.
Adrian was a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Less.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just I'm looking for the words.
Speaker 3: Dylan, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. Actually,
I am fully happy to admit that I am not
even close to the best. Chief stew.
Speaker 2: You said you were.
Speaker 1: In a pressure cooker. It was the first thing you
were in a chief stew. I understand why you were.
You know, Nazi is a little intense. But yeah, just
because you know, I think it's a little I agree
with you.
Speaker 3: I will be the first person to agree with you.
It wasn't my job. It was obviously not something I
was accustomed to, and it was a horrifying situation all
the way around. I think that the successive chief Sews
got lucky that they had at least one underwing that
actually wanted to do the job. I wanted to fuck
off and you know, sit on the beach and drink
and screw that.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Sam then, because I love this
moment from her when she tells Simon, oh, and you
guys were lovers?
Speaker 2: No, okay?
Speaker 1: As Sam tells Simon that she worked on some kind
of project for NASA while she was getting her degree,
and he says, probably the line of the night, it
makes me feel almost bad for asking you to get
me a Pellegrino.
Speaker 2: What was working with Sam and Kat? Like?
Speaker 1: Because Kat seems as though she's at least competent enough
and good enough to do the work to whatever degree
of success. Sam seems like she wanted to make you
kill yourself.
Speaker 5: Okay, So before Adrian answers this, forgive me adream with
that question, how much of what Sam was doing and you,
to a certain degree playing it up for the cameras.
Speaker 3: Absolutely everything that you saw actually happened, And to be honest,
it was worse. They had to make her somewhat likable,
so they didn't show the worst parts of it. There
was so much. Every single conversation that I had with
her was confrontational from jump right, every single I don't
give a fuck what your degree is. Do you know
how to poor Champaigne like, this isn't about how smart
you are, It's about your level of competency and a
job that you have never done before. I, at this
very least have done a service job. She hadn't even
done that, right, And I needed to assess from the
beginning where we need to go with this and how
much I really need to inform you about the job
that you're about to do. And she was so indignant
from the beginning that it made it nearly impossible for
me to communicate her without some kind of tension, right,
and everything that happened after that, because it started on
the wrong foot and went south from there, like there
was no middle ground where we were going to find
a place where she was going to say, I understand
what you mean and I will do that right. Kat
on the other hand, is a follower, he's not a leader.
And both Sam and I had very strong personalities, and
we ended up because her and Sam were more lateral
with their positioning. They ended up bonding and teaming up
against you.
Speaker 4: We may be friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as son Zeus said and Spider Man.
Speaker 5: So wait a minute, So Adrian, some things that I've seen,
like when you would say come here, come in this room,
it felt like that was your verse very much like
I felt like Simon was playing the part as a guest,
which this is how rich people are supposed to act.
They're supposed to be kind of belittling, and they can
treat people that are in the service industry kind of
like they're Nothing's when you became chief stew I don't
think I've only known you for a short while. Kind
of the shortness that you had, it felt like you
were stepping into a role and kind of being what
you thought a version of.
Speaker 4: A chief stew was. Was there a little bit of
that a headmaster?
Speaker 3: Sure? Not necessarily. I mean there had been one hundred
interactions that had happened before the one that they recorded
and used for television, where I had said, okay, this, okay,
this is how we do this. Okay this I mean,
I know how to clean a boat. Just because I'm
a chef doesn't know doesn't mean I don't know how
to clean certain services and what the products you use
and all the rest of those kind of things. So
that was all base knowledge, right but for me. But
Sam didn't have any of that. And there were several
times when I told her. There was a point in
time where she used a granite product on the meal
and it took us four hours because that has oil
in it. It took us four hours to get all
of the oil off of the mirrors because she just
sprayed this granite all over the mirror.
Speaker 2: Do the same thing. Yeah, I'm helpless.
Speaker 3: And it was it was one of the it was
one of those things where it was like you you
all you have to do is read the product, know
that that's not what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the typeface is so small sometimes, you know, why
can't you use formula four O nine on wood? I
don't know. There should just be one for everything.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 2: Your car Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, so I just want to talk talk really
quickly about the academic truth of Sam's backstory because it
just it's kind of I know that she was very young,
but it's just very confusing to me. I want to say,
I don't believe it or I should. I want to
say that I don't not believe it, but I don't
believe it. I know it comes off as a dick thing,
but it just doesn't add up.
Speaker 2: That she was brilliant. But she's here.
Speaker 5: My dream is to have Kat, Sam and Adrian all
on to recap the final episode of this season.
Speaker 4: So I don't want to go too hot. But was
that a question, Dylan arswer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is she lying? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Why is she a rocket scientist working on a boat
spraying granite cleaner on a mirror?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. Okay, yeah, that's a simple answer,
and look for what it's worth. I ended up hiring
Kat to work for me after she filmed season two
after that, and I didn't. Kat is an extremely hard worker.
When she's sober, she's amazing. Right when she is focused,
she's unbelievable. She worked for me for an entire season.
We went up to Newport, we met I met her parents,
you know, we had dinner.
Speaker 2: With them Lake, So you guys patched it up.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, and then no, But she isn't. He has
the ability to do a really good job when she
wants to. I think Sam did a really good job
of distract I sorry, yeah.
Speaker 2: Zoom bad zoom, zoom zoom.
Speaker 5: I have a question about your deliberation on the call
to have Kat actually admit or take some culpability of
being UH in a different state during service. Where did
you come to that? How long did you deliberate that?
Did you know you were going to do that? Were
you just going to go up directly to Lee and say, hey,
she was drinking and that would have gotten her fired immediately?
Can you talk about like you coming to that decision.
Speaker 3: I didn't want her to get fired because then it
would have just been me and Sam, and that would
have been so much worse. I I want I thought
that despite the rules that existed, if and she had
protested to me the next day that she wasn't drinking,
even though I knew it to be a fact, and
he did admit on the reunion that she was drinking.
She said, I know that if I had said I
was drinking, I would have gotten fired. So I lied,
So she validated what I knew even though she lied
to Lee in the moment, and she still got brought
back for season two, which is confusing. But I didn't
really want her to leave. I needed her, and I
didn't know what I was going to end up with
if she left, right, And I most certainly didn't want
to have to make it through an entire charter with
jess Sam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been impossible.
Speaker 1: People would have died, But so you had to kind
of stick to the letter of the law. We get, well,
let's breeze past the tip being against ten grand Simon's
a pig and a piece of shit. But we get
up to the bridge with Captain Lee, and this is
where I just don't know.
Speaker 2: Why you gave a shit the way that you did.
Speaker 1: Because once she had lied about the pills and Lee
was all good with it, Why then did you kind
of in front of Lee try to reveal her to
be a liar in that moment where you worried that
the cameras had already captured it, that it was like
a known thing, and you just didn't want to co
sign on this.
Speaker 2: What was it? Because it came off as you hating her.
Speaker 3: I didn't hate her. I was concerned because the behavior
that she had displayed the next night before that, because
you obviously didn't see all of it, was very concerning.
I had even talked to J about it, who was like, fuck, yah,
she's drunk, Like no doe, Like there's no even if
you overdose on whatever that medication was, because he was
familiar with it than I wasn't. He's like, that's not
the same reaction. Like even in CJ, who does not
like me, was in agreement that she was very definitely
offered rocket right.
Speaker 1: But we well, we also don't want to take pharmaceutical
truths from CJ because or or any kind of truth
from CJ.
Speaker 3: But if you kidding, he's probably done more pharmaceuticals than
anybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he's he's done so many zanti bars,
but also they hit different people differently. I just don't
want CJ rendering decisions on anything.
Speaker 2: But anyway, here's what.
Speaker 3: I was worried about. If she stated on that behavior
without any cious repercussion, then it would happen again because
she would know that she could just resort to I
took one more pill than I was supposed to kind
of thing and that, and then we would be stuck
in the same situation, in a bad spot, and something
worse could happen. And I don't.
Speaker 1: You had to be fashional in that environment, and it
made you, you know, look like a Nazi an SS office,
a Nazi Nazi, the Devil and the Nazi guide look
like all right, So we move on past that, and
Sam believes that Cooper, your boyfriend, is a fake. I
don't care to even discuss it. I think that's what's
the main thing.
Speaker 4: Was he Ai was Cooper? Ai?
Speaker 3: AI wasn't even really a thing back then, really.
Speaker 2: Really good aig.
Speaker 4: I believe we meet Cooper on a skype call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that skype call real quick.
Speaker 1: What is up with you? What are you doing having
a skype call full boar with all the doors open?
And shit, Mike, that was the craziest thing you did
the entire episode.
Speaker 3: They weren't all the way open. I was sitting in
Lee's office. That was the only place that we had
any reception, and that means that there is a stairwell
there and the pilot house is right behind me. So
they splid open the door because it was one of
those pocket doors. So they would open the door so
that they could hear the conversation because they knew that
the production company was recording my conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you were you were really locked in on
Cooper then that to not see that a bunch of
sea rats trying to gossip on you, all right, so
we Kat goes up and lies to Captain Lee or
through all that, we get to the night out. I
don't know why Lee is out with you guys, that is,
he loves the cameras. God damn is that fucking weird
to me? I mean going out, you know how sea
rats are? You know, you don't want fucking Lee there
bumming everybody out, although it didn't seem to stop really
any of you. But that night, I guess I don't know,
there wasn't a ton for you to comment on. I mean,
Kat climbed ay poll that I'm not sure was a
stripper pole or if it was just kind of utilitarianly
there to secure the building.
Speaker 2: But yeah, any thoughts on that on that.
Speaker 3: Night not a lot. Yeah, it was really awkward because
there are nights that place that we went to is
very well known for having parties and having really fun there.
There are times when that place just goes off and yeah,
it gets crazy and that does turn into a stripper pole.
That night, there was like twelve other people in the
building besides that it was just awkward. Somebody meant stripper
pole the cat, and cat was like great idea, okay,
and then we were all like, oh my god, oh
my god, oh my god.
Speaker 5: But we also have to think, if you're filming this
and you wanted to air you like this, you know,
at that point reality was already pretty established, like, all right,
this is crazy, this is going to make great TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so that's a sea rat hunt. Huh mm hmm.
Oh oh my god.
Speaker 5: All right, So, Adrian, I want to ask about this
because you guys established the foundation of the structure of
the show, and it's so fun to watch it ten
years in because you see so many of the things
that they were filming and how the episode, the flow
of it went. We're still basically the way they do
it now when you're actually on Charter, and most charters,
a lot of people don't know, are not two days
like the show films it, but rather like five or
seven days. When you get off charter, do all the
coworkers go out to dinner at the same fucking bar,
all the same assholes you've been working with, sweating with
for five or seven days.
Speaker 4: Is this a true Drew depiction of how this lifestyle is.
Speaker 3: It depends on how cohesive the crew is. If we
all like each other and we all get along and
we all feel like we had a really good charter.
Yet but more often than not, you're so sleep deprived
and everything hurts and you're just tired. So maybe we'll
go out to get drinks together or maybe grab a
quick meal together after the trip is over. But it
doesn't usually turn into two days of debauchery after a trip,
like everybody wants to get some sleep, because chances are
in two or three days you've got to turn the
boat over and start over again. Now, it just it
really depends.
Speaker 1: We've always asked her how they do it, because the
kind of pattern of the show is to go get
black out. The next day, you throw up over the
side of the boat, and then shamy it off the
side of the boat.
Speaker 2: Adrian, I think you I want to thank you for
coming on.
Speaker 1: I know it was it was a tough episode. I
don't think that we were that hard on you at all.
So I hope the audience.
Speaker 3: I know right well disappointed.
Speaker 1: So everybody, hopefully you know you're not pissed off at
us or me hopefully I learned.
Speaker 2: So much about this show today.
Speaker 4: Well, she started it, She's to blame for it.
Speaker 5: So, Adrian, you know, you and I have been talking
off Mike and I know you had a podcast, So
maybe some of the listeners and audience understands or knows
what you're up to these days.
Speaker 4: But what do you What is your line of work now?
Speaker 3: So I still freelanced occasionally. I've been on and off
tour with the PGA the golfers the last year or so.
Speaker 2: And what what does that mean? You like you boat
stuff for the PGA.
Speaker 3: No, do tour catering for the PGA.
Speaker 2: Oh, got it? Got it? God?
Speaker 5: But you also because today we wanted to speak with you,
but you were driving back because you were going to
help out.
Speaker 3: So I yeah, sorry about pushing back your timeline for today.
I have linked up with an organization called World Central
Kitchen and we do that after release. So I first
met them last year for Hurricane Ian and I was
down in Fort Myers for about a month and helping
all the victims of Hurricane Ian, UH and the first
respond and the cleanup crew and all of that, and
professionally speaking, it was the most outifying thing I've ever done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds wonderful.
Speaker 3: I've had the opportunity, right.
Speaker 2: I said it sounds wonderful.
Speaker 3: It was amazing. It was, you know, going from having
somebody come up and thank you for cooking them a
meatball and it's the first hot food they had had
an eight days too. The very next week, working on
a yacht for a bunch of rich people in Key
West was about their espresso Martini's not being old enough.
It was a very tough contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I stepped back for a little bit from yachting
because it was just such a duality that was really
hard for me to square. And I love yachting, I
absolutely do. But I just couldn't do that after what
I had just done.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I've thought, I've talked so often about slaughtering the ruling
elites because they shouldn't be making decisions for us, and
I'm just I'm having a tough time figuring out the
network of assassinations, and I think that should kill them. Well,
some of them deserve, But you could place the assassins
in the yachting industry. It would be a little odd
to have like a sixty or like a seventy year
old Vietnam be uh, serving espress on our tinis. But
I think it could make a lot of sense. So
are you you're doing? Did you go to MAUI? I
mean this sounds like a wonderful organization.
Speaker 5: She was in Los Angeles last week for the hurricane.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, thank you.
Speaker 3: I was supposed to. I was on standbyside to come
to La or pump rings for Hillary. But it ended
up being a good thing that I was still in
Porta because I was the first boots on the ground
in Gainesville to scout out kitchens for us to utilize
there and where we should position ourselves. So for Adelia,
I was in Gainesville. I just got back this afternoon,
like forty five minutes before we started this, so I
was up there for five days. We rode out the
hurricane in Gainesville. We weren't sure if it was going
to come to us. So Theeter Key is about forty
minutes south and west of Gainesville, so it easily. You know,
for a long time they were tracking it through Cedar Key,
which means it would have gone straight above us in games.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why you guys live out there. I
mean it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean, year after year of this shit, just planning
and honkering down for fucking the torrent of the gods.
Speaker 4: The fire.
Speaker 1: It's not that she lives there, she runs towards the fire.
Thank you very much for your work. That sounds like
really important. So what was the name of the foundation again?
Speaker 3: World Central Kitchen?
Speaker 2: World Central Kitchen.
Speaker 3: And I don't endorse many charities for a lot of
different reasons, but I have been on the ground and
seen where the money goes and see what a difference
it makes. And it's yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It goes to the meatballs, all right, only because we
have the barnacles and the fan past I have to
ask a couple juicy questions, Adrian, and you can pass
on it.
Speaker 2: Now you can't pass that's the rule.
Speaker 5: Are you done with below deck or is there a
possibility because we hear of a number of spinoffs are
coming from people that were very integral or very famous
or fan favorites possibly coming back for some spinoffs.
Speaker 4: Would you be open to being on some kind of on.
Speaker 2: It'll be good for the it'll be good for the foundation.
Speaker 3: For what it's worth, I don't think I was a
fan favorite, but I it depends it would for Below
Deck actual Below Deck. I don't. I don't think so.
If it was some kind of a different spin off
of that, I don't know. I've thought about it.
Speaker 4: We're hearing a competition show is in the works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well we'll see you on that.
Speaker 5: Well, last question, Uh sorry inappropriate? Uh there's a lot
of former Below Deck cast members. Any intermixing relationships, that's
the year, that's how.
Speaker 4: We're going to end it. Well, I got a couple
more if we can.
Speaker 5: But I'm curious because this world, it's grown with the
four different, five different versions of the show, a.
Speaker 4: Lot of work.
Speaker 5: In Florida or at least that's where they get their licenses.
Or have we possibly intermingled with any former castmates we
might know?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Tiffany Copeland, who was third two on me.
Speaker 2: Oh no, And that's why I was worried. I don't wait.
Speaker 1: We can't end I can't end like that. We can't
end like that. I mean, my god, damn it.
Speaker 3: All right, So, well, I was I was going to
tell you, so you asked me what I'm up to
you now, I just took on be Tis. I decided
to step back from stopping on yacht. I accepted a
position as a culinary director for a brand new training
school here in Fort Lauderdale. So I'm going to be
offering starting very soon September thirteenth, continuing education for yacht steth.
It's really difficult for us to get downtime to be
able to learn additional skills and.
Speaker 1: Why God do they need them?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 2: Do they need them? Adrian?
Speaker 4: Do you want to plug that? Is that your business?
Speaker 3: It's not my business. I'm a culinary director for Blue
Ocean's yachting based in Fort Lauderdale, and we have a
very cool training center right Onla Sola and starting September
thirteenth through the entire fall, We've got some really amazing
classes coming up.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. So you're going to teach them.
Speaker 1: You're going to teach them about the mother sauces and
they've already got surf and turf covered, so you don't
need to teach them that.
Speaker 2: That's actually really really cool. That makes me so happy.
Speaker 3: I think we could teach everybody how to make a
dance seafood tower. Ye see through extravaganza to do an
entire quaest on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, Adrian, thank you so much
for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Please move
out of Hurricane Alley when you get a chance to,
and hopefully nothing bad happens by way of water or
wind or debris flying. I mean, it just sounds like
a fucking nightmare. But anyways, thank you so much for
joining us. Everybody comment along and we will assemble Kat,
Sam and Adrian get.
Speaker 5: Three of you back into a zoom call to recap
the final episode of this season.
Speaker 2: If you guys will do it, God damn would that
be fun?
Speaker 3: Me? Look, I I'm game. It'll be very interesting. I
am willing to put down money that not everyone will
make it till the end of the episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, on the zoo, all right, let's see.
Speaker 4: Thank you, great sport, Adrian. You're such a great sport.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Adrian, absolutely have a good one, guy.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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