Speaker 1: Controversial Oklahoma State school superintendent Ryan Walters has found himself
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the news again, this time
Speaker 1: in the implementation of his recent disputable administrative order to
Speaker 1: start teaching the Bible in all of Oklahoma public school classrooms. Now,
Speaker 1: Walters is threatening rogue school districts to be accountable for
Speaker 1: not putting his plans into action. However, he hasn't come
Speaker 1: out and explained exactly what would happen to these school
Speaker 1: districts or exactly how he's going to implement these retributions. Now,
Speaker 1: most legal scholars agree that Walter's changes to the curriculum
Speaker 1: are unconstitutional, but he remains steadfast in his draconian plans
Speaker 1: and apparently welcomes the challenges in court, and he seems
Speaker 1: confident that his God is above the law. This story
Speaker 1: is from The Oklahoma by m Scott Carter Murray Evans,
Speaker 1: that's quite the name, and was published on July thirty
Speaker 1: first four. Now, John, I know you had some problems
Speaker 1: with the veracity of some of Walter's statements in this articles.
Speaker 1: Can you fill us in on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's quite a bit of what he says.
Speaker 2: It's no surprise moszelets do have a problem actually telling
Speaker 2: the truth, but calling The first thing I had was
Speaker 2: this struck me was calling school districts rogue is a lie.
Speaker 2: Under no definition. Is claiming your legal authority under the
Speaker 2: law rogue. It's actually the opposite. So that's the first one,
Speaker 2: and it's just obvious because according to their laws in Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: curriculum is completely under the control of the local school district.
Speaker 2: It's not under control of the state. So he's out
Speaker 2: of lock when it comes to that that His accusation
Speaker 2: that districts are not districts not enforcing the Bible rule
Speaker 2: are the same ones who sued and won over book
Speaker 2: bands is also a lie. There was only one of
Speaker 2: a I think twelve school districts who have said they're
Speaker 2: not going to do that who was part of that
Speaker 2: particular lawsuit. It was one of the larger ones, but
Speaker 2: it still was only one. So saying that they all
Speaker 2: is kind of a lot. I wish Walters was a
Speaker 2: bit more lucid in his threats and insults as well,
Speaker 2: but I guess we can talk about that in a
Speaker 2: little bit. But you know, he doesn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of legal paths when it comes to the curricula to determine,
Speaker 2: you know, what he can do because it's controlled by
Speaker 2: the local districts. And what legal options does he have
Speaker 2: to punish the districts that assault his ego by refusing
Speaker 2: unconstitutional mandates for religious and doctrination thinly decided as US
Speaker 2: history or as history. And there's more, really that I
Speaker 2: have to say about this, but I'm going to pass
Speaker 2: this over to my friend and consummate good erudite speaker,
Speaker 2: Phoebe rods his back.
Speaker 3: He just can't keep his ass out of his own head.
Speaker 3: He can't keep his ass out of his head. Not
Speaker 3: if you can't keep their head out of their ask,
Speaker 3: but this guy's goes ass in his head because this
Speaker 3: guy is just talking shit. He stands up and he
Speaker 3: just talks shit. It is verbal diarrhea every single time
Speaker 3: he opens his laughing gear. When he opens his laughing gear,
Speaker 3: he should be putting a pint round it, like every
Speaker 3: good white middle clage, middle class midlife crisis man does
Speaker 3: in England. They go down the pub. They sit around
Speaker 3: with their mates, having come off the building site or
Speaker 3: come off wherever they were doing their blue collar job,
Speaker 3: get drunk, talk about things in the pub and then
Speaker 3: go home and do nothing about it. They don't get
Speaker 3: elected to run schools. They don't get elected to do this, that,
Speaker 3: and the other. They talk about it, they complain about it.
Speaker 3: They complain about the voting system and they don't go
Speaker 3: and vote. They complain about politicians and they don't do
Speaker 3: anything about it. They complain about the price of a pint,
Speaker 3: but they don't go and do anything about it. And
Speaker 3: guess what, they are harmless. They are absolutely harmless. This
Speaker 3: guy should take a leaf out of their book and go,
Speaker 3: I'm wasting my time here. But there you go. I'm
Speaker 3: just British and that's how we deal with these things.
Speaker 3: How do they deal with things in Michigan, Kelly, Not.
Speaker 1: The way they're dealing with the inn Oklahoma. You know,
Speaker 1: when Walters first implemented this program a few weeks back,
Speaker 1: we did talk about it here on the Nonprofits and
Speaker 1: back then I mentioned that because school wasn't in session
Speaker 1: right now, it didn't mean that this wasn't going to
Speaker 1: be a problem right now. And it affected summer school teachers,
Speaker 1: and it's affecting the curricula that's submitted by the teachers
Speaker 1: before the school years starts to show what they're going
Speaker 1: to be teaching and then the next scholastic here. My
Speaker 1: ex wife was a teacher, so I know they have
Speaker 1: to well I'm not sure about Oklahoma, but in the
Speaker 1: state we lived, and they had to submit their curricula.
Speaker 1: And the sad thing about this to me is that
Speaker 1: this will definitely probably stay in effect until the court
Speaker 1: orders it to end. So I'm kind of really bummed
Speaker 1: that we haven't advanced past this point by now. I mean,
Speaker 1: we would think that we know this is not going
Speaker 1: to make it super.
Speaker 3: Court prize, but you shouldn't be surprised when you've got wrong.
Speaker 3: Disantis in Florida saying slavery was a good thing because
Speaker 3: it yes, I get this.
Speaker 1: You do, not that he's saying it, Phoebe. It's that
Speaker 1: they're actually trying to that they think it's going to
Speaker 1: get through the courts. That's what surprises me.
Speaker 3: They know this windows to move the ovitren window to
Speaker 3: and you've got to look, what is that actually going
Speaker 3: on in Oklahoma. It was scared of Oklahoma changing Woe
Speaker 3: Oklahoma or something ridiculous like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not a bad idea, now, Phoebe. It's
Speaker 2: not a bad idea Oklahoma, you know that. But I
Speaker 2: think this is just a move on his part. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's a political move, and he's either scratching somebody's back
Speaker 2: who wants to hear it, who would be instrumental in
Speaker 2: his next run for office, which I'm sure he's thinking
Speaker 2: of leveling up to either the governorship or something else,
Speaker 2: or it's the governor himself who's making him be the
Speaker 2: fall guy for things that he wants to see appen
Speaker 2: for his constituents. There is no world where I think
Speaker 2: that this is an actual attempt at doing this. I
Speaker 2: think this is politically motivated. It's to get certain people
Speaker 2: off their couch and into the voting booth because they
Speaker 2: know that the big thing is that. But I think
Speaker 2: this is basically politically motivated. I think there's an undercurrent
Speaker 2: here that we're missing.
Speaker 3: I've got a question for the pair you hear, who
Speaker 3: remembers Roy Moore?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the judge in Alabama.
Speaker 3: So you both remember him. Does anybody remember why he
Speaker 3: was infamous before? You know, he tried to become a senator.
Speaker 1: He posted the monument with the Ten Commandments with inside
Speaker 1: the court, does state the Alabama State Supreme courthouse.
Speaker 3: Inside on the grounds of the Alabama Supreme Court. This
Speaker 3: is no different that and this are no different. They
Speaker 3: are both government property, they are both the government imposing
Speaker 3: religion a specific religion, and they are both being done
Speaker 3: by sad white men.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, to be fair, that didn't make
Speaker 1: it through the courts. The monument was removed and judge
Speaker 1: religion and then.
Speaker 3: Argued later, which shows a contempt for the rule of
Speaker 3: law and.
Speaker 1: The judge and Muri Mora was kicked off the Alabama
Speaker 1: Supreme Court for that too.
Speaker 3: Which is incredible the Alabama kick somebody off for being
Speaker 3: too religious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he did run later for Senate, didn't he
Speaker 2: actually the pedophile because or at least that was the accuation.
Speaker 1: The Alabama State scotus is actually an elected position. So
Speaker 1: after he was kicked after bench, he ran for the
Speaker 1: position and again and was re elected to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: He later ran for senator and didn't make it, So yeah,
Speaker 1: he was later taking he was actually taken off the
Speaker 1: bench a second time over gay marriage.
Speaker 3: Man's plunker, man's absolute plonker, and Ryan Waters is a plunker.
Speaker 3: But they're not idiots. Neither one of them are idiots
Speaker 3: because we're talking about we're talking about them, they're getting
Speaker 3: they're covering something else up. So the actual question to ask, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: the mandate is a load of hocme. Religion is not
Speaker 3: going to infest its way into Woklahoma's schools. It's just
Speaker 3: not going to do it. And Woaklahoma can breathe a
Speaker 3: sigh of relief, and you know, all that trash. But
Speaker 3: the simplest thing to remember here is what is the
Speaker 3: actual thing that's being ignored here? This is a distraction
Speaker 3: from just how chronically awful the education standards in Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: The education standards in Oklahoma are dreadful, genuinely bottom of
Speaker 3: the barrel dreadful. They rival Mississippi as the worst in
Speaker 3: educational outcomes in America. And Mississippi has systemic problems and
Speaker 3: is an incredibly poor state by comparison to Oklahoma. Oklahoma
Speaker 3: is not a poor state. Oklahoma, if it wanted to,
Speaker 3: could invest money into his education system. But instead it
Speaker 3: has people like Ryan Water's running around, my clown being
Speaker 3: a complete plot. So that's what you've actually got to
Speaker 3: look at here.
Speaker 1: You know something else I didn't think about when I
Speaker 1: first saw this story weeks ago, and again when I
Speaker 1: started reading this article when I drove down to excuse
Speaker 1: me astin Texas year and a half two years ago,
Speaker 1: and on the way down, I drove through Oklahoma and
Speaker 1: I was reading the list of cities that were in
Speaker 1: this article, and I realized a lot of these places
Speaker 1: are right on the edge of Indigenous people territory. And
Speaker 1: the more I thought about this law and the way
Speaker 1: that he's doing this, it kind of comes off as
Speaker 1: a suppression of a minority culture. Did anybody think about that?
Speaker 3: So it comes back to previously. We did an article
Speaker 3: a few weeks back where there it was all about
Speaker 3: the suppression of religion in Native American Indian Indigenous whatever
Speaker 3: the terminology that is correct, or I will get shouted
Speaker 3: at by too many people. But as I said in
Speaker 3: that episode, the term Indian is used by the US government,
Speaker 3: it's used by the tribes themselves. So I prefer the
Speaker 3: term American Indian. So that's my nation for that, and
Speaker 3: that's what I use. And until somebody gives me an
Speaker 3: explosion of a reason to do something else, and it
Speaker 3: comes from those tribes himself, then I'll change my terminology.
Speaker 3: But it was about religious missionaries and Christian schools expelling
Speaker 3: students for practicing tribal religions. And this is no different
Speaker 3: to that level of suppression. It's no different to the
Speaker 3: Doors Act. It's no different to that where it was
Speaker 3: like you drink, you drive Studebaker wagons, you wear Western suits,
Speaker 3: and you drink whiskey, and you'll be civilized. Because that's
Speaker 3: what this is. At the end of the day. Ryan
Speaker 3: Walters believes that he has to civilize the Heathen. We
Speaker 3: talk a lot of heathen around here, and we need
Speaker 3: to civilize the Heathen. He needs to have an atheist
Speaker 3: experience and the truth is wanted for him, and the
Speaker 3: truth is wanting with Ryan Waters. He's not a prophet.
Speaker 3: He is one of the true nonprofits, so getting around here.
Speaker 3: He needs, in his own mind educate the heat and
Speaker 3: he's failing spectacularly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would say that he comes up
Speaker 2: with some ludicrous statements about, you know, not having the
Speaker 2: Bible is causing the kids to be indoctrinated, and you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of want to just streame slightly larcream. You
Speaker 2: know you can't do that. You know, you can't indoctrinate
Speaker 2: people by not having a book there. You can do
Speaker 2: the opposite, which has put the book there, and that
Speaker 2: could be a part of indoctrinating kids. It's an invalid
Speaker 2: argument by by structure. But anyway, buddy, you got that backwards.
Speaker 2: The Bible is an instrument of indoctrination to a religion.
Speaker 2: It's not history. It's not us history specifically. Did it
Speaker 2: have influence on the people here? Yes? Is it part
Speaker 2: of the history. No, It'stic history. It's Semitic history. It's
Speaker 2: a Semitic people. That's their their history, and it's their
Speaker 2: mythology and they're kind of mixed together so that there's
Speaker 2: no There are some historical facts in it, just not many.
Speaker 2: You know, there's very few that actually suss out in
Speaker 2: the archaeologists and anthropologist's mind. So it's really archaeology. But
Speaker 2: you know, so so be it. But I'll defer to
Speaker 2: somebody else on the technical aspects of that. But you know,
Speaker 2: indoctrinating people by not having a Bible in the classroom,
Speaker 2: that's rich. That has definitely right.
Speaker 3: What's the number one argument that these right wing politicians
Speaker 3: always shout at LGBT people when they're covering up crimes
Speaker 3: from churches. They're covering up their own nonsense. They're covering
Speaker 3: up everything. It's indoctrination. It's harming children. It's this, that
Speaker 3: and the other.
Speaker 2: It's well they're doing it right, Well, they're the ones
Speaker 2: harming the kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're harming of the kids. They're the people that
Speaker 3: are doing this, that and the other. Indoctrination. It's not
Speaker 3: only around it.
Speaker 1: There was a there was a quote from Walter's in
Speaker 1: the in the article actually that talking about the left
Speaker 1: that wants pornography in front of kids under the name
Speaker 1: of inclusivity, but they don't want the historical context of
Speaker 1: the Bible. And I was thinking, sure that you know
Speaker 1: the historical context of two daughters getting their father drunk
Speaker 1: and raping them, right, And I started thinking about that
Speaker 1: and I'm not Yeah, I'm even sure that isn't a
Speaker 1: male version of that story. And it may well have
Speaker 1: been the other way around when you think about it.
Speaker 1: But Phoebe today, did I read your notes? Were you
Speaker 1: troubled by Steins?
Speaker 3: What do you mean by staying here? No, I'm not
Speaker 3: troubled by the city of Stains upon Thames. There's nothing
Speaker 3: wrong with that city. Stains upon Thames is an algy
Speaker 3: special and you know, there's nothing wrong with stains per se.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go to stains as a matter of course,
Speaker 3: But what are you gonna do. Stains is you know,
Speaker 3: just outside London. It's better than slough. I'll give you that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, this man, Ryan Waters, is a stain on
Speaker 3: the side of the education system. He's a stain on
Speaker 3: the side of you know, good conscience everywhere. And he
Speaker 3: is a stain on the legal system. He is a
Speaker 3: stain on the education system of Oklahoma. And the man
Speaker 3: is a stain on the US political system. And that's
Speaker 3: saying something, and that's saying something. So he mandating things
Speaker 3: that he's not even allowed to do under local Oklahoma law.
Speaker 3: He is mandating things that are constitutionally prohibited. And he says,
Speaker 3: then it's like, well, further instructions of monitoring and reporting
Speaker 3: on the implementation for the school year will be immediate, unexpected.
Speaker 3: Here's what he actually should be saying and hearing. This
Speaker 3: mandate is unconstitutional. Further instruction and monitoring on this will
Speaker 3: be ignored as completely illegal. Fixed it for you, mate,
Speaker 3: Absolutely fixed it for you. We have tried this before
Speaker 3: in US public schools. We have tried this before in
Speaker 3: US charter schools. They have tried to force the Bible
Speaker 3: in there, and the Supreme Court, even this Supreme Court
Speaker 3: has recently said no, you cannot have religious instruction in
Speaker 3: schools which have federal funding, or even state funding for
Speaker 3: that matter. If you're a private institution, you can do
Speaker 3: what you like. You can go all Tony Soprano and
Speaker 3: send your children to Bourbon Day Catholic High School if
Speaker 3: you really want to. You just cannot have the taxpayers
Speaker 3: of Oklahoma, Michigan, as Puerto Rico, or wherever federal taxes
Speaker 3: are collected from pay for your Bible in the classroom.
Speaker 2: I agreed. You know, one of the things that private
Speaker 2: schools even have to be accredited, so you know, they
Speaker 2: have to teach actual science as well. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, but homeschoolers do not. You know, they're supposed
Speaker 2: to use a proved curricula in some states, but they
Speaker 2: what they're actually taught is not monitored. You couldn't monitor it.
Speaker 2: There's so many people who were doing it. So that's
Speaker 2: really the threat is homeschooling is I'm going to teach
Speaker 2: you what I want, and we're going to teach you
Speaker 2: how to read, but we're going to teach you how to
Speaker 2: read the Bible, which is in what seventeenth century English?
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, okay, that's not really a good
Speaker 2: life lesson, and you're not going to be able to
Speaker 2: easily navigate your way through decent jobs and that speaking
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, or only being able to read
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, because they're going to expect you
Speaker 2: to be able to spell correctly in American English, which
Speaker 2: is a bloody mess to begin with. You know. You
Speaker 2: don't need to confuse people with that, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I get wrapped around the axle
Speaker 2: spelling English all the time. And I had a major
Speaker 2: where I had to write two or three papers a week,
Speaker 2: you know, so it was like ouch, you know, and
Speaker 2: I didn't have a spell check back then. It was
Speaker 2: a dictionary and a Theosaurus.
Speaker 1: John, if you don't mind me cutting you off, If
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier about indoctrinating the children, which side in
Speaker 1: which side do you think is really indoctrinating the children
Speaker 1: more the walters or the woke people that he's fighting
Speaker 1: against wo Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: He is, He's really fighting against the paper tiger in
Speaker 2: a sense, because he's the one who's trying to indoctrinate people.
Speaker 2: And that's obvious to the most casual observer. It's also
Speaker 2: obviously the most casual observer that the excuse that its
Speaker 2: relevant history is bs because I don't know, the Greeks
Speaker 2: had a lot to do with Western civilization. Are we
Speaker 2: going to teach Greek in fourth grade or second grade
Speaker 2: or first grade? Are we going to teach about Zeus
Speaker 2: and Athena and how she popped out of his head?
Speaker 2: I mean, mythology is mythology. School should be for learning
Speaker 2: skill sets that will get you to do better in
Speaker 2: the society. It's not about your religion. It's not about
Speaker 2: any of that. And so yes, he's trying to insert
Speaker 2: his religion into the public schools, and that is a
Speaker 2: serious problem and it's something that we can't just ignore.
Speaker 2: You know. Fortunately, almost all of the school districts have said,
Speaker 2: we have our curriculus nailed down, we're not going to
Speaker 2: change it. So no, we're not going to teach the Bible,
Speaker 2: and we're not going to put Bibles in the classroom,
Speaker 2: and you can, you know, basically go pack sand what
Speaker 2: good for them? And he's waiting for the court case,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's willing to go there. I
Speaker 2: think again, it's expensive to go to a court case,
Speaker 2: and he'd have to pay both sides lawyers, and I
Speaker 2: don't think he's really willing to put the taxpayers to
Speaker 2: that particular deal. That's all. That's my take on it.
Speaker 2: And I think it is still just a political stunt,
Speaker 2: so he's not going to go that far.
Speaker 1: I think, well, to make it fair, they'd have to
Speaker 1: teach every religion in the class, right, and to make
Speaker 1: it constitutionally fair. So I think this is going to
Speaker 1: be dropped. I mean, once, if they're going to keep
Speaker 1: teaching the Bible, we're going to start teaching the Koran.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start teaching the Bagaba Gita, right, and when
Speaker 1: are the kids? When are the kids going to learn math?
Speaker 1: When are they going to learn history?
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Speaker 1: So I think this is going to definitely have to
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