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<v Speaker 1>Controversial Oklahoma State school superintendent Ryan Walters has found himself

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<v Speaker 1>on the wrong side of the news again, this time

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<v Speaker 1>in the implementation of his recent disputable administrative order to

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<v Speaker 1>start teaching the Bible in all of Oklahoma public school classrooms. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Walters is threatening rogue school districts to be accountable for

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<v Speaker 1>not putting his plans into action. However, he hasn't come

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<v Speaker 1>out and explained exactly what would happen to these school

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<v Speaker 1>districts or exactly how he's going to implement these retributions. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>most legal scholars agree that Walter's changes to the curriculum

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<v Speaker 1>are unconstitutional, but he remains steadfast in his draconian plans

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently welcomes the challenges in court, and he seems

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<v Speaker 1>confident that his God is above the law. This story

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<v Speaker 1>is from The Oklahoma by m Scott Carter Murray Evans,

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<v Speaker 1>that's quite the name, and was published on July thirty

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<v Speaker 1>first four. Now, John, I know you had some problems

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<v Speaker 1>with the veracity of some of Walter's statements in this articles.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you fill us in on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's there's quite a bit of what he says.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no surprise moszelets do have a problem actually telling

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, but calling The first thing I had was

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<v Speaker 2>this struck me was calling school districts rogue is a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Under no definition. Is claiming your legal authority under the

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<v Speaker 2>law rogue. It's actually the opposite. So that's the first one,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just obvious because according to their laws in Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 2>curriculum is completely under the control of the local school district.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not under control of the state. So he's out

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<v Speaker 2>of lock when it comes to that that His accusation

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<v Speaker 2>that districts are not districts not enforcing the Bible rule

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<v Speaker 2>are the same ones who sued and won over book

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<v Speaker 2>bands is also a lie. There was only one of

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<v Speaker 2>a I think twelve school districts who have said they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to do that who was part of that

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<v Speaker 2>particular lawsuit. It was one of the larger ones, but

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<v Speaker 2>it still was only one. So saying that they all

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of a lot. I wish Walters was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more lucid in his threats and insults as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess we can talk about that in a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. But you know, he doesn't have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of legal paths when it comes to the curricula to determine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what he can do because it's controlled by

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<v Speaker 2>the local districts. And what legal options does he have

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<v Speaker 2>to punish the districts that assault his ego by refusing

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<v Speaker 2>unconstitutional mandates for religious and doctrination thinly decided as US

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<v Speaker 2>history or as history. And there's more, really that I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say about this, but I'm going to pass

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<v Speaker 2>this over to my friend and consummate good erudite speaker,

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<v Speaker 2>Phoebe rods his back.

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<v Speaker 3>He just can't keep his ass out of his own head.

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<v Speaker 3>He can't keep his ass out of his head. Not

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<v Speaker 3>if you can't keep their head out of their ask,

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<v Speaker 3>but this guy's goes ass in his head because this

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<v Speaker 3>guy is just talking shit. He stands up and he

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<v Speaker 3>just talks shit. It is verbal diarrhea every single time

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<v Speaker 3>he opens his laughing gear. When he opens his laughing gear,

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<v Speaker 3>he should be putting a pint round it, like every

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<v Speaker 3>good white middle clage, middle class midlife crisis man does

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<v Speaker 3>in England. They go down the pub. They sit around

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<v Speaker 3>with their mates, having come off the building site or

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<v Speaker 3>come off wherever they were doing their blue collar job,

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<v Speaker 3>get drunk, talk about things in the pub and then

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<v Speaker 3>go home and do nothing about it. They don't get

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<v Speaker 3>elected to run schools. They don't get elected to do this, that,

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<v Speaker 3>and the other. They talk about it, they complain about it.

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<v Speaker 3>They complain about the voting system and they don't go

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<v Speaker 3>and vote. They complain about politicians and they don't do

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<v Speaker 3>anything about it. They complain about the price of a pint,

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<v Speaker 3>but they don't go and do anything about it. And

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<v Speaker 3>guess what, they are harmless. They are absolutely harmless. This

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<v Speaker 3>guy should take a leaf out of their book and go,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wasting my time here. But there you go. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just British and that's how we deal with these things.

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<v Speaker 3>How do they deal with things in Michigan, Kelly, Not.

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<v Speaker 1>The way they're dealing with the inn Oklahoma. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when Walters first implemented this program a few weeks back,

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<v Speaker 1>we did talk about it here on the Nonprofits and

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<v Speaker 1>back then I mentioned that because school wasn't in session

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<v Speaker 1>right now, it didn't mean that this wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a problem right now. And it affected summer school teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's affecting the curricula that's submitted by the teachers

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<v Speaker 1>before the school years starts to show what they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be teaching and then the next scholastic here. My

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<v Speaker 1>ex wife was a teacher, so I know they have

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<v Speaker 1>to well I'm not sure about Oklahoma, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>state we lived, and they had to submit their curricula.

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<v Speaker 1>And the sad thing about this to me is that

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<v Speaker 1>this will definitely probably stay in effect until the court

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<v Speaker 1>orders it to end. So I'm kind of really bummed

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<v Speaker 1>that we haven't advanced past this point by now. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we would think that we know this is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to make it super.

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<v Speaker 3>Court prize, but you shouldn't be surprised when you've got wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Disantis in Florida saying slavery was a good thing because

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<v Speaker 3>it yes, I get this.

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<v Speaker 1>You do, not that he's saying it, Phoebe. It's that

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually trying to that they think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get through the courts. That's what surprises me.

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<v Speaker 3>They know this windows to move the ovitren window to

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<v Speaker 3>and you've got to look, what is that actually going

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<v Speaker 3>on in Oklahoma. It was scared of Oklahoma changing Woe

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<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma or something ridiculous like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not a bad idea, now, Phoebe. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a bad idea Oklahoma, you know that. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is just a move on his part. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a political move, and he's either scratching somebody's back

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<v Speaker 2>who wants to hear it, who would be instrumental in

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<v Speaker 2>his next run for office, which I'm sure he's thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of leveling up to either the governorship or something else,

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<v Speaker 2>or it's the governor himself who's making him be the

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<v Speaker 2>fall guy for things that he wants to see appen

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<v Speaker 2>for his constituents. There is no world where I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this is an actual attempt at doing this. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is politically motivated. It's to get certain people

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<v Speaker 2>off their couch and into the voting booth because they

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<v Speaker 2>know that the big thing is that. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is basically politically motivated. I think there's an undercurrent

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<v Speaker 2>here that we're missing.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a question for the pair you hear, who

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<v Speaker 3>remembers Roy Moore?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the judge in Alabama.

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<v Speaker 3>So you both remember him. Does anybody remember why he

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<v Speaker 3>was infamous before? You know, he tried to become a senator.

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<v Speaker 1>He posted the monument with the Ten Commandments with inside

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<v Speaker 1>the court, does state the Alabama State Supreme courthouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Inside on the grounds of the Alabama Supreme Court. This

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<v Speaker 3>is no different that and this are no different. They

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<v Speaker 3>are both government property, they are both the government imposing

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<v Speaker 3>religion a specific religion, and they are both being done

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<v Speaker 3>by sad white men.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be fair, to be fair, that didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>it through the courts. The monument was removed and judge

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<v Speaker 1>religion and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Argued later, which shows a contempt for the rule of

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<v Speaker 3>law and.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge and Muri Mora was kicked off the Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court for that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is incredible the Alabama kick somebody off for being

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<v Speaker 3>too religious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he did run later for Senate, didn't he

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<v Speaker 2>actually the pedophile because or at least that was the accuation.

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<v Speaker 1>The Alabama State scotus is actually an elected position. So

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<v Speaker 1>after he was kicked after bench, he ran for the

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<v Speaker 1>position and again and was re elected to the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>He later ran for senator and didn't make it, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was later taking he was actually taken off the

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<v Speaker 1>bench a second time over gay marriage.

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<v Speaker 3>Man's plunker, man's absolute plonker, and Ryan Waters is a plunker.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're not idiots. Neither one of them are idiots

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<v Speaker 3>because we're talking about we're talking about them, they're getting

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<v Speaker 3>they're covering something else up. So the actual question to ask, yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the mandate is a load of hocme. Religion is not

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<v Speaker 3>going to infest its way into Woklahoma's schools. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>not going to do it. And Woaklahoma can breathe a

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<v Speaker 3>sigh of relief, and you know, all that trash. But

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<v Speaker 3>the simplest thing to remember here is what is the

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<v Speaker 3>actual thing that's being ignored here? This is a distraction

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<v Speaker 3>from just how chronically awful the education standards in Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>The education standards in Oklahoma are dreadful, genuinely bottom of

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<v Speaker 3>the barrel dreadful. They rival Mississippi as the worst in

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<v Speaker 3>educational outcomes in America. And Mississippi has systemic problems and

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<v Speaker 3>is an incredibly poor state by comparison to Oklahoma. Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 3>is not a poor state. Oklahoma, if it wanted to,

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<v Speaker 3>could invest money into his education system. But instead it

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<v Speaker 3>has people like Ryan Water's running around, my clown being

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<v Speaker 3>a complete plot. So that's what you've actually got to

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<v Speaker 3>look at here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know something else I didn't think about when I

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<v Speaker 1>first saw this story weeks ago, and again when I

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<v Speaker 1>started reading this article when I drove down to excuse

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<v Speaker 1>me astin Texas year and a half two years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and on the way down, I drove through Oklahoma and

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading the list of cities that were in

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<v Speaker 1>this article, and I realized a lot of these places

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<v Speaker 1>are right on the edge of Indigenous people territory. And

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<v Speaker 1>the more I thought about this law and the way

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<v Speaker 1>that he's doing this, it kind of comes off as

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<v Speaker 1>a suppression of a minority culture. Did anybody think about that?

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<v Speaker 3>So it comes back to previously. We did an article

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<v Speaker 3>a few weeks back where there it was all about

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<v Speaker 3>the suppression of religion in Native American Indian Indigenous whatever

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<v Speaker 3>the terminology that is correct, or I will get shouted

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<v Speaker 3>at by too many people. But as I said in

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<v Speaker 3>that episode, the term Indian is used by the US government,

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<v Speaker 3>it's used by the tribes themselves. So I prefer the

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<v Speaker 3>term American Indian. So that's my nation for that, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I use. And until somebody gives me an

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<v Speaker 3>explosion of a reason to do something else, and it

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<v Speaker 3>comes from those tribes himself, then I'll change my terminology.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was about religious missionaries and Christian schools expelling

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<v Speaker 3>students for practicing tribal religions. And this is no different

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<v Speaker 3>to that level of suppression. It's no different to the

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<v Speaker 3>Doors Act. It's no different to that where it was

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<v Speaker 3>like you drink, you drive Studebaker wagons, you wear Western suits,

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<v Speaker 3>and you drink whiskey, and you'll be civilized. Because that's

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<v Speaker 3>what this is. At the end of the day. Ryan

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<v Speaker 3>Walters believes that he has to civilize the Heathen. We

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<v Speaker 3>talk a lot of heathen around here, and we need

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<v Speaker 3>to civilize the Heathen. He needs to have an atheist

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<v Speaker 3>experience and the truth is wanted for him, and the

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<v Speaker 3>truth is wanting with Ryan Waters. He's not a prophet.

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<v Speaker 3>He is one of the true nonprofits, so getting around here.

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<v Speaker 3>He needs, in his own mind educate the heat and

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<v Speaker 3>he's failing spectacularly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would. I would say that he comes up

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<v Speaker 2>with some ludicrous statements about, you know, not having the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible is causing the kids to be indoctrinated, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of want to just streame slightly larcream. You

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<v Speaker 2>know you can't do that. You know, you can't indoctrinate

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<v Speaker 2>people by not having a book there. You can do

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite, which has put the book there, and that

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<v Speaker 2>could be a part of indoctrinating kids. It's an invalid

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<v Speaker 2>argument by by structure. But anyway, buddy, you got that backwards.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bible is an instrument of indoctrination to a religion.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not history. It's not us history specifically. Did it

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<v Speaker 2>have influence on the people here? Yes? Is it part

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<v Speaker 2>of the history. No, It'stic history. It's Semitic history. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a Semitic people. That's their their history, and it's their

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<v Speaker 2>mythology and they're kind of mixed together so that there's

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<v Speaker 2>no There are some historical facts in it, just not many.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's very few that actually suss out in

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<v Speaker 2>the archaeologists and anthropologist's mind. So it's really archaeology. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so so be it. But I'll defer to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else on the technical aspects of that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>indoctrinating people by not having a Bible in the classroom,

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<v Speaker 2>that's rich. That has definitely right.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the number one argument that these right wing politicians

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<v Speaker 3>always shout at LGBT people when they're covering up crimes

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<v Speaker 3>from churches. They're covering up their own nonsense. They're covering

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<v Speaker 3>up everything. It's indoctrination. It's harming children. It's this, that

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<v Speaker 3>and the other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's well they're doing it right, Well, they're the ones

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<v Speaker 2>harming the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're harming of the kids. They're the people that

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<v Speaker 3>are doing this, that and the other. Indoctrination. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>only around it.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a there was a quote from Walter's in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the article actually that talking about the left

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<v Speaker 1>that wants pornography in front of kids under the name

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<v Speaker 1>of inclusivity, but they don't want the historical context of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible. And I was thinking, sure that you know

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<v Speaker 1>the historical context of two daughters getting their father drunk

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<v Speaker 1>and raping them, right, And I started thinking about that

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not Yeah, I'm even sure that isn't a

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<v Speaker 1>male version of that story. And it may well have

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<v Speaker 1>been the other way around when you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But Phoebe today, did I read your notes? Were you

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<v Speaker 1>troubled by Steins?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean by staying here? No, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>troubled by the city of Stains upon Thames. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 3>wrong with that city. Stains upon Thames is an algy

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<v Speaker 3>special and you know, there's nothing wrong with stains per se.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't go to stains as a matter of course,

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<v Speaker 3>But what are you gonna do. Stains is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just outside London. It's better than slough. I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, this man, Ryan Waters, is a stain on

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<v Speaker 3>the side of the education system. He's a stain on

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<v Speaker 3>the side of you know, good conscience everywhere. And he

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<v Speaker 3>is a stain on the legal system. He is a

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<v Speaker 3>stain on the education system of Oklahoma. And the man

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<v Speaker 3>is a stain on the US political system. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>saying something, and that's saying something. So he mandating things

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<v Speaker 3>that he's not even allowed to do under local Oklahoma law.

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<v Speaker 3>He is mandating things that are constitutionally prohibited. And he says,

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<v Speaker 3>then it's like, well, further instructions of monitoring and reporting

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<v Speaker 3>on the implementation for the school year will be immediate, unexpected.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what he actually should be saying and hearing. This

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<v Speaker 3>mandate is unconstitutional. Further instruction and monitoring on this will

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<v Speaker 3>be ignored as completely illegal. Fixed it for you, mate,

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely fixed it for you. We have tried this before

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<v Speaker 3>in US public schools. We have tried this before in

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<v Speaker 3>US charter schools. They have tried to force the Bible

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<v Speaker 3>in there, and the Supreme Court, even this Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 3>has recently said no, you cannot have religious instruction in

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<v Speaker 3>schools which have federal funding, or even state funding for

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<v Speaker 3>that matter. If you're a private institution, you can do

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<v Speaker 3>what you like. You can go all Tony Soprano and

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<v Speaker 3>send your children to Bourbon Day Catholic High School if

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<v Speaker 3>you really want to. You just cannot have the taxpayers

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<v Speaker 3>of Oklahoma, Michigan, as Puerto Rico, or wherever federal taxes

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<v Speaker 3>are collected from pay for your Bible in the classroom.

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<v Speaker 2>I agreed. You know, one of the things that private

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<v Speaker 2>schools even have to be accredited, so you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>have to teach actual science as well. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, but homeschoolers do not. You know, they're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to use a proved curricula in some states, but they

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<v Speaker 2>what they're actually taught is not monitored. You couldn't monitor it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many people who were doing it. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>really the threat is homeschooling is I'm going to teach

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<v Speaker 2>you what I want, and we're going to teach you

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<v Speaker 2>how to read, but we're going to teach you how to

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<v Speaker 2>read the Bible, which is in what seventeenth century English?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like, okay, that's not really a good

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<v Speaker 2>life lesson, and you're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>easily navigate your way through decent jobs and that speaking

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, or only being able to read

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, because they're going to expect you

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to spell correctly in American English, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a bloody mess to begin with. You know. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to confuse people with that, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, I get wrapped around the axle

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<v Speaker 2>spelling English all the time. And I had a major

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<v Speaker 2>where I had to write two or three papers a week,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so it was like ouch, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a spell check back then. It was

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<v Speaker 1>John, if you don't mind me cutting you off, If

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned earlier about indoctrinating the children, which side in

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<v Speaker 1>which side do you think is really indoctrinating the children

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<v Speaker 1>more the walters or the woke people that he's fighting

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<v Speaker 1>against wo Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 2>He is, He's really fighting against the paper tiger in

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<v Speaker 2>a sense, because he's the one who's trying to indoctrinate people.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's obvious to the most casual observer. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>obviously the most casual observer that the excuse that its

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<v Speaker 2>relevant history is bs because I don't know, the Greeks

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot to do with Western civilization. Are we

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<v Speaker 2>going to teach Greek in fourth grade or second grade

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<v Speaker 2>or first grade? Are we going to teach about Zeus

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<v Speaker 2>and Athena and how she popped out of his head?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, mythology is mythology. School should be for learning

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<v Speaker 2>skill sets that will get you to do better in

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<v Speaker 2>the society. It's not about your religion. It's not about

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<v Speaker 2>any of that. And so yes, he's trying to insert

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<v Speaker 2>his religion into the public schools, and that is a

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<v Speaker 2>serious problem and it's something that we can't just ignore.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Fortunately, almost all of the school districts have said,

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<v Speaker 2>we have our curriculus nailed down, we're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>change it. So no, we're not going to teach the Bible,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not going to put Bibles in the classroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can, you know, basically go pack sand what

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<v Speaker 2>good for them? And he's waiting for the court case,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think he's willing to go there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think again, it's expensive to go to a court case,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd have to pay both sides lawyers, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he's really willing to put the taxpayers to

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<v Speaker 2>that particular deal. That's all. That's my take on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it is still just a political stunt,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's not going to go that far.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, well, to make it fair, they'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>teach every religion in the class, right, and to make

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<v Speaker 1>it constitutionally fair. So I think this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be dropped. I mean, once, if they're going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>teaching the Bible, we're going to start teaching the Koran.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna start teaching the Bagaba Gita, right, and when

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<v Speaker 1>are the kids? When are the kids going to learn math?

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<v Speaker 1>When are they going to learn history?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think this is going to definitely have to

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