1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Photographer Andrew Voorhies this year. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 2: Hello Andrew, Hello, good morning everybody. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:05,799 Speaker 1: Good morning, welcome to the program. 4 00:00:05,839 --> 00:00:06,719 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on. 5 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,199 Speaker 1: And uh so you are a what would be the 6 00:00:09,439 --> 00:00:12,400 proper term photo journalist? Is that? What? What? What should 7 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,000 we how should we refer to your profession? 8 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,679 Speaker 2: I would say, so, I mean I'm a I'm a 9 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:19,359 photographer really generally all around. I mainly do do a 10 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:22,440 lot of political stuff and photojournalism, but I also do 11 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,760 a lot of non photojournalism and non political stuff as well. 12 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you are very well. How when did you because 13 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:32,960 you're a young man, when did you start? When did 14 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,240 you start doing this professionally? 15 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:40,119 Speaker 2: Actually, so about a year ago is when I got 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,560 my first actual camera, which is the camera that I 17 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:43,920 still have today. 18 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 3: Okay, I first started. 19 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: Out going around to like local events, and I actually 20 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,079 went down to Boston a lot, because, I mean, being honest, 21 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:53,880 around conquered. 22 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,719 Speaker 3: There's not really a lot of stuff to photograph over there. 23 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,119 Speaker 1: Right, Well, well once in a while, they're sure is 24 00:00:59,159 --> 00:00:59,600 but we'll. 25 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: Get Yeah, absolutely, we'll get to that. 26 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. 27 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: Now, So I first started out, you know, just going 28 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,599 to events and just you know, going around Boston just 29 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,519 kind of photographing the city. I started out doing some 30 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,280 wildlife stuff and then I also did some motorsports as well, 31 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:19,680 a lot of stuff with I've done a few things 32 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:23,439 with MX NHMX up in Epping and NHMX one on 33 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:25,560 one which is like the dirt bikes, and then the 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,159 quad cross and stuff like that. 35 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: So that was super fun. 36 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, excellent, excellent. What made you want to get 37 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:31,359 into photography. 38 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: I was first inspired by photography when I was in 39 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,000 eighth grade. I've always been a really big fan of history. Yeah, 40 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,079 and you know, in school, our teacher at the time, 41 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,200 mister Brown, he would show us a lot of photos 42 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:49,159 of the civil rights movement in World War Two. I 43 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:52,079 was very inspired by those photos because you know, when 44 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,640 you take a photo, that's not all you're doing. You're 45 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,760 really freezing a moment in time, right, And that's what 46 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,359 first interested me in That is not only just the 47 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:03,719 aspect of you know, being outside and you know with 48 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:06,519 a camera, it's also you're you're documenting things. Even if 49 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,879 it's something might seem mundane, You're still you're still freezing 50 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,039 that moment in time, you know. Yeah, And I remember 51 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,960 seeing these photos and being that's what I want to do. 52 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,680 I want to get out there. I want to document 53 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:23,680 I mean because it's important. You know, people need to 54 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:25,599 know what's going on in their communities, and people have 55 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,000 a right to know what's going on, right, And it's 56 00:02:28,039 --> 00:02:30,800 one thing to hear about an event, but when you 57 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,759 see it visually, even through a photo, you get that 58 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,719 deeper level of understanding of, oh, this is what happened. 59 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,319 Speaker 1: Are you? Something that comes up on the show a lot, 60 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,599 and we we haven't really talked about it when it 61 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:49,719 comes to photography. We talk about it a lot when 62 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:54,639 it comes to music, but uh AI and the encroachment 63 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,319 of AI for a lack of a very way better 64 00:02:56,319 --> 00:02:58,719 way of putting it into our creative endeavors, and and 65 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,159 uh are you. I'm curious to get your thoughts on 66 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:04,360 that because now and this is something we'll probably get 67 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,479 into a little bit more later too, but now there's 68 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:10,639 it's easier than ever, of course, to create a photo 69 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:14,960 or a video or anything you know that is AI generated. 70 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:18,479 And it's also but not only does it make it 71 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,919 easy to fake things, or easier to fake things than 72 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,439 it used to be, but also it makes it easier 73 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:25,599 for people to say, oh, I don't believe this is 74 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,120 real when they see it, and obviously that directly affects 75 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:31,599 what you're doing because, like you said, when you take 76 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,000 a photo of something, you're documenting it. You're creating evidence 77 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,280 that this happened, this is an event, this is something 78 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,879 that is real. But I mean, how do you feel 79 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:42,800 about how do you feel about AI? And do you 80 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:45,000 feel do you feel threatened by it? Are you concerned 81 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:46,560 about it? Or you're not worried about it? 82 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:49,919 Speaker 2: So there is definitely a level of concern when it 83 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,680 comes to AI, because I mean AI is supposed to 84 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,919 you know, help us, not replace us, right, that is 85 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,280 what the intention of AI should be. But we are 86 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,919 definitely seeing a lot more now that AI is encroaching 87 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,680 on that line of you know, because again, like you 88 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,919 just said, there are a lot of people who will 89 00:04:09,919 --> 00:04:12,759 now be like, oh, that's fake right now, And it 90 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:17,920 is definitely very damaging when you know people do that 91 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:23,680 because of tools like that. I think it definitely is 92 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,480 something that needs to be regulated because then things will 93 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,720 start to, you know, go out of control. Because again, 94 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,759 like as as a photographer, I have had people fully 95 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:37,160 on tell me that my photos are fake it and 96 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,680 they are People are a lot more emboldened to say 97 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,639 that because of tools like AI, right, like because you 98 00:04:43,639 --> 00:04:46,199 know before, like I always say this a lot is 99 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,040 you know, the undeniable proof of photographic evidence is one 100 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,519 of the most important things that we have. But now 101 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,639 we're living in a day and age where that kind 102 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:56,879 of means, hey, I can just type this thing in 103 00:04:56,879 --> 00:04:59,240 a chat GPT and generate it right there. So why 104 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,920 can't you do this thing right? 105 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: You know? 106 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,439 Speaker 2: And it's like, well, I'm not right right, but it 107 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,000 definitely is starting to concern me a bit, especially with 108 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:12,800 you know, what just happened, because you do have a 109 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,240 lot of people going out there and be like, oh, 110 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,720 that's fake, but it's not, sir, you're right right, Yeah, 111 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:19,959 oh yeah, it is definitely a concern for me. 112 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: Well, we should talk about because this this is an 113 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,600 instance where I assume you didn't expect going into the 114 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:31,600 event where you took photographs that we're about to talk about. 115 00:05:31,639 --> 00:05:33,439 I assume you didn't expect to go in there and 116 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,560 get necessarily the kinds of photos that came out of. Yeah. 117 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. 118 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: Yes, So, for those who don't know, I covered the 119 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:46,959 neo Nazi demonstration that happened in conquered. At the Capitol Building, 120 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,439 there was a fifty to fifty one protest that was 121 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,319 being held, but it was kind of the They did 122 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,160 try to take it over, but they eventually failed and left. Yeah, 123 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:03,680 but it Yeah, I did not expect to turn on 124 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:06,439 to the road of you know, my capitol building and 125 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:06,800 see that. 126 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:07,199 Speaker 1: Ye. 127 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,199 Speaker 2: And I once I saw that, I realized people are 128 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,519 probably gonna think the same thing, like, oh, there's no 129 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:17,920 way that you know they were here and conquered New Hampshire. 130 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,240 So that's why the first thing that I did, I 131 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,519 threw my bag in the ground, ripped my camera out 132 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:25,079 and started photographing. You know, because like I said earlier, 133 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,079 photographic evidence is very important because you know, people might 134 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,439 not know that it happened, or you know, like we 135 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,920 said earlier, people might be like, oh, that didn't happen, 136 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:38,680 this is fake. But then when I show you a 137 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,079 photo of it, then you can't really sit there and 138 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:45,040 say it is very important because people need to know 139 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:46,519 and people have a right to know what's going on 140 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:47,279 in their community. 141 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So in that moment, I mean, have you 142 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:54,519 had have you had any other moments that even approached 143 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,000 that in terms of oh, my god, I've got I 144 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,600 gotta hurry up and grab grab my camera and get 145 00:06:59,600 --> 00:06:59,959 out there. 146 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:01,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely so. 147 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: My friend He's so, I live right on Manchester Street 148 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,199 and Conquered, like right next to where all the car 149 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,399 dealerships are, you know, Brookside and all of that. 150 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:12,399 Speaker 1: I know, I grew up in Concored Well yeah, I 151 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:12,920 know exactly. 152 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: My friend Jaden, he actually works at Brookside and one 153 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:22,759 day he sent a video of the apartment building. So 154 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,160 this actually happened last month. The apartment building next to 155 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:27,000 Brookside was on fire. 156 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:27,639 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 157 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,399 Speaker 2: And he was like, you know, he sent that to 158 00:07:29,399 --> 00:07:30,639 me and I was like, dude, I got to get 159 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:32,879 over there. So I grabbed my bag, I sped over there. 160 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,399 I was like two minutes away. By the time I 161 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:38,000 got there, the fire department like already had the flames, 162 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,480 you know, dim and down. So, you know, thank you 163 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:43,480 to Conqueror Fire Department all the other fire departments that 164 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:46,920 were there. Yeah, you know, that was one of the 165 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,000 That was probably the first moment where I was like, oh, 166 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,319 I need to grab my camera and go. Yeah, and 167 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,800 you know, go to this without you know, warning or 168 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:57,199 anything like that. It's a as a photographer, it's definitely 169 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,199 another level of adrenaline when it's it's not a planned thing, 170 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,480 right I imagine, especially something like a fire. So I 171 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:08,720 got there, I photographed the fire department at work and 172 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:10,600 stuff like that, because that's another thing that people need 173 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:13,000 to know about, is events like that and stuff, because 174 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,120 that also affects a lot of people because you know, 175 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,800 after that event, there was a lot of people without homes. Again, 176 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:19,879 it's also a very scary thing because you know that 177 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,120 that can happen really at any time, right, you know. 178 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:24,920 And it's also good to get those photos for the 179 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,519 fire department, you know, so. 180 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:27,279 Speaker 3: They have those. 181 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: And yeah, it was very it wasn't necessarily what happened 182 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,799 at the Capitol Building type of experience, but it was 183 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,919 definitely still a very you know, crazy situation to walk 184 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,600 up to and see what was going on. 185 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Do you ever have anything happened 186 00:08:42,759 --> 00:08:45,080 where you you you go to photograph something and it 187 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,799 winds up? I mean, are you ever disappointed, like, like, 188 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,200 do you ever find something asn't as interesting a photograph 189 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,039 as you expected? Or has that ever happened? 190 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:52,399 Speaker 3: Oh? 191 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely been those times, you know, But I 192 00:08:57,639 --> 00:09:00,240 feel like as a photographer, especially like I, as I 193 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:04,440 gain more experience, you realize how to photograph things like 194 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,000 that that might seem mundane or boring and stuff like that. 195 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,399 You you really learn and you get that eye of 196 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,639 like what I should actually capture instead of just being like, ah, well, 197 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:17,279 you know this, this isn't going well. You know, there's 198 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:19,559 definitely that uh that thing. I try to keep it 199 00:09:19,639 --> 00:09:21,080 in the back of my head of you know, let's 200 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:24,320 let's find something because there's there's always a story or 201 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,639 there's always something to show people out there. Now, as 202 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,960 I kind of mentioned earlier that you know, even though 203 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,120 Concord is kind of a boring place to photograph, as 204 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,039 long as you look, there's always something out there right right. 205 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,399 Speaker 1: No doubt. How I want to circle back to AI 206 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:44,200 for a moment, because how do how can you tell like, like, 207 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,240 do you have any advice for people who and and 208 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:49,559 whatever we say about it today might not even matter, 209 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,000 you know, a year from now, a month from now, 210 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,799 who knows, because the technology moves so fast. But like 211 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,840 if somebody says to you, for example, well, how do 212 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:01,000 I know this photograph took is real? How do I 213 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:03,200 know this is an AI? Like what can you tell 214 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,440 other than while I was there, you know, I mean, 215 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,679 what what can you tell them or can't or is 216 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,759 there anything you can you can say? 217 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: Really well, I have an SD card with raw files, yea, 218 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:18,799 But obviously I'm not going to show up to someone's 219 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:20,440 house with my SD card and be like, well, here 220 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:20,720 you go. 221 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: There. 222 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: There are definitely ways to tell if an image is AI. 223 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:27,240 There's a lot of things that can factor into it. 224 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:30,799 Is the quality of the image, because like, if if 225 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:33,519 I have an actual camera, obviously it's not going to 226 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,960 look like it was taken off of a potato, right. 227 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 228 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:40,799 Speaker 2: The other thing you look for is really just like 229 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:44,960 human anatomy is, like is there few extra fingers or 230 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:47,759 people's faces smudge together and stuff like that. 231 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, has a problem with fingers. 232 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:50,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, definitely. 233 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: They have a very big problem with you know, getting 234 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,519 those features down. So that's important to look for, you know, 235 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:59,519 certain colors. There's things that just wouldn't make sense, you know, 236 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,480 like a group of people merging together in like a blob, 237 00:11:02,639 --> 00:11:05,039 stuff like that. But it is getting harder and harder 238 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,440 to tell. Like I don't know if you've seen the 239 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,960 I believe it's called the Google VO three. 240 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:10,639 Speaker 3: Or something like that. 241 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: I believe, I know of it. 242 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like people are able to create these like 243 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,759 very realistic looking videos, and you've got to look at 244 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:20,360 the progression of AI, like I believe in like twenty 245 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:23,159 twenty three is when it first really started to kind 246 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:25,559 of emerge with Oh, you can create these AI videos 247 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,320 of you know, like Will Smith eating spaghetti or something, 248 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,759 and now it's merged into and you could clearly tell 249 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,000 back then, oh this is AI, like his fingers a 250 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:35,039 like disappearing into his. 251 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: Face and stuff like that. 252 00:11:36,759 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: But now it's it's kind of getting the point where 253 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,960 it takes longer and longer to kind of look at 254 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,879 it and realize, Okay, this is AI. And again, if 255 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,960 that's the kind of progression it's had since twenty twenty three, 256 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,480 I mean, could you imagine what it's going to be 257 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,399 like two years from now. And it is a very 258 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:56,720 very scary thought because I mean, not only does that 259 00:11:56,759 --> 00:11:58,600 come into play when it comes to my job, of 260 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:00,759 people saying this is fake, you got to think what 261 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:02,639 that would do the world, especially when it comes to 262 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,559 deep fakes. You know, people can make deep fakes of 263 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,360 political leaders, celebrities or even of you you know, what 264 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,919 I mean, it's a very real concern. And this is 265 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,360 why I say, like it really is something that needs 266 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,200 to be regulated, because if it's not, it's it's gonna 267 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,879 spiral out of control. And a lot of people think 268 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,120 that way. So I don't really know why it's not 269 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:21,879 really happening. 270 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,159 Speaker 1: I keep seeing these videos that show up in my 271 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,279 feet on like on on Facebook. I'll see these shorts 272 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:33,159 of videos of like floods and and and like tsunamis 273 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,120 and things. And one of the one of the ways 274 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:38,960 I can always tell. I mean, I'm sure there's some 275 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,039 of them that look so real that I can't tell 276 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:43,120 they're fake. But but there is one tell and a 277 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:45,440 lot of these is how the people in the videos react. 278 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:48,279 Like you'll see this huge wave coming and people aren't 279 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,360 running away, just standing some of some of the some 280 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,720 of them are running away, but some of them are 281 00:12:51,759 --> 00:12:54,360 just standing there like it's not like they're not you know, 282 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:56,480 it's like, Okay, that's not how people would react in 283 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,720 that situation. Everybody would run. 284 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,039 Speaker 2: It's like you can tell by their movements too, is 285 00:13:02,159 --> 00:13:03,600 like you know what I mean, Like their arm will 286 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:07,240 spin all the way around or something like that. But again, 287 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,000 especially when it comes to a lot of you know, 288 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:13,960 older people to say they they are more attuned to 289 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:17,080 believe things like that, you know, obviously, But and that 290 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,240 also poses the other danger of you know, scammers have 291 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,519 also been using stuff like that to lure people into 292 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:27,720 just draining their accounts. And it is a very horrible 293 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:30,600 situation and I hope that something is done about it 294 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:31,960 rather sooner than later. 295 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what can be done though, not to. 296 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely. 297 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,799 Speaker 2: So that's the thing is we need to actually have 298 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,200 conversations about this and you know, figure something out because 299 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,639 it does need to be addressed. And that's where it starts, 300 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,840 just having simple conversations with each other and be like, 301 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,080 all right, what are we going to do about this, 302 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,840 you know, your state and local legislators and just bringing 303 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:53,559 it all the way up. 304 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how you put this genie back 305 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,039 in the bottle. I really don't. I mean, honestly, I 306 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:03,279 really don't. But but yeah, there are concerns. I mean, 307 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,559 obviously a I can do can do some great things too. 308 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,320 You know, we've we've our first experience with AI actually 309 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,320 live on the radio. We there's a couple of Suno 310 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,600 and Udio seem to be the two biggest ones where 311 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:19,919 you can make music using AI, and we we did 312 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,360 an experiment live on the show. I said, we had 313 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:25,720 something where we had I guess who had canceled or something, 314 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:27,600 but we always find ways to fill the time. So 315 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:29,879 I said, let's, uh, this was something I'd kind of 316 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:31,519 had in the back of my mind. Let's use the 317 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:34,039 Suno app because I'd created an account and their free 318 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,039 account is actually pretty generous, and let's just create a 319 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,440 song live on the air. We'll we'll put in a 320 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,000 prompt and we'll create and and oh my god, like 321 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,159 they're so good, like they're legitimately good. Like it's not 322 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:51,279 it's not like, oh this is obviously AI listened to it, 323 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,639 you know what I mean. It's it's pretty incredible what 324 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:55,960 what it can do. And uh, you know, and I 325 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,200 have mixed feelings about that because, on one hand, because 326 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,240 of where I come from in my background and what 327 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:05,440 I do, you know, I will always always advocate for artists, 328 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:09,559 for musicians and protecting them and everything. On the other hand, 329 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,159 when you type in an idea and it creates this 330 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,480 great song for you, it's like, this is pretty cool. 331 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like what do you do. 332 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:19,559 Speaker 2: The other thing that places into it is you know, 333 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,600 people's job security, and it just comes down street to 334 00:15:23,679 --> 00:15:28,440 like human creativity. No matter what AI can do, at 335 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,240 the end of the day, humans created AI, and humans 336 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:34,039 have done those things on their own without AI. 337 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, true, true, Yeah, it's uh, you know you mentioned 338 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,159 too deep fake videos. And part of the part of 339 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:51,399 the problem too is people will tend to just broadly speaking, 340 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,519 even if you take AI out of the equation, people 341 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:57,120 are easily fooled when they're being told something or shown 342 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,279 something that they want to. Yeah, you know, we all carry, 343 00:16:02,519 --> 00:16:05,000 some people more than others, and we won't get into that, 344 00:16:05,039 --> 00:16:07,320 but you know what I'm talking about, But but we 345 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:09,840 all carry It's it's part of human nature, some degree 346 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:12,519 of confirmation bias in our brains and and so we're 347 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:15,879 always all of us are more apt to believe certain 348 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:20,600 things more easily, and so you know, if they comport 349 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:22,799 with what we already think and believe or like to 350 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:28,080 think and believe it. Therefore it's very very because that's 351 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,559 the thing too. Even if there are tells this is 352 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,000 part of the problem. Even if there are certain ways 353 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,000 that you can tell that something is AI if you 354 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:39,759 want to be fooled by it, you will be, you 355 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,399 know what I mean, Yeah, if you want to be 356 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:42,240 it will be. 357 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: I mean even before AI, people were saying things were 358 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:47,480 fake and they didn't believe them and stuff. That's why 359 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:49,919 I truly feel like what I do to this day 360 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,279 is still very very important, still relevant, you know, because 361 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,759 there are a lot of people out there who might 362 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:57,679 just be like, oh, you're just taking photos. I mean yeah, 363 00:16:57,799 --> 00:16:59,399 I mean, if you really want to simple it down 364 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,679 like that. But at the same time, especially with AI 365 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:05,759 and all this other stuff, it is very important for 366 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,480 you know, people like me to get out there and 367 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:10,680 document things and document things accurately. That's why I get 368 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,680 photos of everything. I'm not just taking photos of one 369 00:17:13,759 --> 00:17:15,839 side or I'm not just taking photos of a select 370 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,279 group of people. I get everything because at the end 371 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,680 of the day, no matter what your beliefs are, the 372 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:21,519 truth is important. 373 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Oh well said, perfectly said. If you're just joining us, 374 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:30,799 we're talking with photojournalists. Photojournalist tripped on that word, I 375 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:34,119 should just say photographer, Andrew. No, but what you do 376 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,799 is more than just photography, so it's important to it's 377 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:40,119 important to get that out Andrew Vorhees is here with us, 378 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,559 and I also want to talk to you about you know, 379 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:46,079 we've been talking about AI technology. Also, phones like your 380 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,039 cell phone can take incredible pictures depending on what I mean, 381 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:53,039 some of the new phones, it's amazing what they can do. 382 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:55,519 Is that a threat to what you do in any way? 383 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,599 Speaker 2: So when it comes to the phones, I don't believe. 384 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,319 So I'm actually very glad that, you know, people who 385 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,759 aren't able to get a super expensive or fancy camera 386 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,599 can use their phone to document things like this, because 387 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:09,920 there's not always going to be someone with a nice 388 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,880 camera around to document things like that. So I actually 389 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,680 think it's a good thing that other people have the 390 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,799 ability to document events like this, even if it is 391 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:19,920 just a cell phone. Do I think they're gonna take 392 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:20,359 my job? 393 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,079 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 394 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: I mean you got to look at just the things 395 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:25,920 you can do with cameras. It's just on a whole 396 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,720 other level. Yeah, iPhones that they definitely have, the quality 397 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:32,200 on them has gotten insane. But when we're talking about 398 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,519 the level of photos and the storytelling that you can 399 00:18:35,559 --> 00:18:37,920 do with a camera, it's just on a whole new level. 400 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,920 And I might be a little biased saying this, as 401 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,839 a photographer, I should. I mean, even before I was 402 00:18:43,839 --> 00:18:46,400 a photographer, it's what truly inspired me was photos with 403 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:47,400 actual cameras. 404 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,759 Speaker 3: I feel like, you get you're able to. 405 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: Tell more of a story with a camera, and you're 406 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,799 able to get a deeper understanding of things when it's 407 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,400 actually taken by a camera, you know. But definitely I 408 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,279 am Actually I do believe it is a good thing that, 409 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,440 you know, everyone can have the ability to document events 410 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,680 because that is also very important too, and you can 411 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,079 see all sides in that way, you know. And again, 412 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,880 like I said earlier, the truth is important, you know 413 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,960 whether again it doesn't matter what your beliefs are as 414 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,440 long at the end of the day, as long as 415 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:25,000 the truth is what gets out there, that's what's important. 416 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,039 Speaker 1: Can you tell? Can can you tell if a picture 417 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,279 was taken with a camera or a phone? 418 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah, yep? 419 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: Interesting, interesting, yeah, yep, yeah, it's it's I mean, especially 420 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:42,400 as a photographer, it's very easy to tell. But if 421 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:44,759 if you're not, it's very easy to give you a 422 00:19:44,839 --> 00:19:46,839 simple explanation and be like, oh, here, you know what 423 00:19:46,839 --> 00:19:49,160 I mean. That would actually be a pretty good test 424 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,960 to do actually, just to you know, test my eye 425 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,319 a little bit, right, right, Yeah, mainly because like the 426 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,240 mainly the way you can tell is the depth of 427 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,240 field is like when it come cameras crazy, But also 428 00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:04,839 I mean just image quality in general, like typically even now, 429 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,240 like the more you zoom in with an iPhone, the 430 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:09,319 worst and worse the image gets. Yeah, you know, but 431 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:11,720 if you're you know, someone like me who has like 432 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,240 a two hundred millimeter lens, you can really get in 433 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:16,000 there and it's still crystal clear. 434 00:20:16,599 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, that makes sense, Yeah, it makes sense. So 435 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,440 what you take the picture with is important. Rag gear 436 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,319 is important, absolutely, because I'm also curious too for anyone 437 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,920 who's listening to this conversation who's interested in doing what 438 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,799 you do, you know, that's that's something you probably want 439 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:37,160 to impress upon people, right, like what you use you know. Yeah, yeah, 440 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,759 it's fine to take pictures with your phone, but to 441 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:42,200 do what you do, you know, you really need a 442 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,480 professional camera. 443 00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, absolutely, and especially like if you do want 444 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:50,799 to do photography, you are definitely going to need a camera. Yeah, 445 00:20:50,839 --> 00:20:54,240 it's definitely an important thing. So what I would recommend 446 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,640 doing is at first, like anything you know, even with photographers, 447 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,920 like okay, this seems like something I'm inted in. But 448 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,759 there are some things where you're like, oh, I'm interested 449 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:04,279 in this, but then you start doing it and you're like, 450 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,599 I don't really like this, you know. So my recommendation 451 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:10,839 would be too because there's actually a store here in 452 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:13,839 Manchester called Hunts. It's a photo store. They you can 453 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,759 actually rent a camera for like the day or the 454 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:19,240 week and stuff, so interesting. That would be my recommendation 455 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,599 is to rent a camera, you know, for a day 456 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:25,799 or a week or you know, whatever you think is adequate, 457 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,720 rent out, you know, because you can actually rent lenses 458 00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:30,599 and stuff like that as well, So I would that 459 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,279 would be my recommendation was to start out doing that, 460 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,039 you know, renting and rent different types of cameras like 461 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,440 rent a Fujifilm or a Nikon or a Cannon or Sony, 462 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,559 just to see what feels comfortable to you and what 463 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:47,400 you know aspects of certain brands that you like, right, 464 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:50,160 you know, because that is also very important in photography, 465 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,880 is you know, it's not people aren't necessary. I mean 466 00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:56,680 people are as and you know any other community are 467 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,799 very brand heavy. But at the same time it's really 468 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:00,480 you know, just what are you most comfort with what 469 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,200 do you like using, you know, what specs do you 470 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:06,480 like about certain cameras? So yeah, just renting stuff out 471 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:10,240 and just going out and just really taking pictures of anything. Yeah, 472 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:13,079 like literally anything when you're starting out, just to not 473 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,519 only be like, hey do I actually. 474 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: Like this what I'm doing right now? 475 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,519 Speaker 2: And also learning the mechanics of the camera, learning you know, 476 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:26,200 all that stuff, and just learning what to photograph, learning 477 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:29,599 how to photograph it. It was very I mean I'm 478 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,240 still definitely learning. I mean, no matter what you do, 479 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:34,599 there's always room to learn and grow, and it's very 480 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,640 very interesting. As someone who's very passionate about the work 481 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,599 that I do, it's I'm always down to learn everything 482 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,640 that I can when it comes to photography. So that 483 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,000 that is another thing I would recommend is just learn. Yeah, 484 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,960 you know, I have, like the majority of what I've 485 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:50,160 learned I've done on my own with you know, YouTube 486 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,519 and talking to those around me. 487 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:52,079 Speaker 3: You know. 488 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: So that's the other aspect too, is you know, joining clubs, 489 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,319 talking to other photographers, stuff like that can go a 490 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,039 really long way. 491 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: I wonder how many people are interested in doing this, 492 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,880 but they but then they become overwhelmed because we kind 493 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,279 of live in a culture where a lot of things, Well, 494 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:13,200 now you're you're very young. Jenny and I were Gen X, 495 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,279 so we're like the last generation that actually grew up 496 00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:18,759 pre Internet. And I wonder how many people are are 497 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,519 just kind of just they get discouraged because it all 498 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,279 is more complicated than maybe they expect, because they think 499 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,640 they think it's going to be easy, because so many 500 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,319 things are easy in terms of just like you know again, 501 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,920 like taking pictures with your phone. They think, Okay, well 502 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,039 I'm gonna be a photographer. Okay, I better get a 503 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,559 real camera to do this. Oh there's a lot to learn, 504 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,720 like different trying different cameras, like you said, trying different 505 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,799 lenses and so forth. It's not like you just Okay, 506 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,000 now I have a real camera. Now I'm gonna go 507 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:49,559 take some pictures and it's going to be great and 508 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:52,039 I'm a professional. It's not like that. It's like any really, 509 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,200 it's like anything else. You have to actually learn and 510 00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:56,960 spend the time. You know, you've you've put the time 511 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,200 in to learn all this stuff. But you know, a 512 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,599 lot of people they get impatient, they get frustrated, and 513 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:02,559 you know. 514 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and Honestly, I've been there, you know, like, yeah, 515 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:10,839 you know it's but really again, once when you're passionate 516 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,720 about something, you realize, hey, this is what I want 517 00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:14,759 to do. You stick through it, you know, on the 518 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:17,799 highs and the lows. It is that, like I said, 519 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,319 I mean, happened to me, and it's definitely a very 520 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,039 real thing that can happen where you're like, oh, this 521 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,559 looks super easy, because before I got a photography I'm like, oh, 522 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:25,519 you're just pointing a camera and pressing a button. 523 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: Right, there's definitely more than that. 524 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, But once you you know, sit there and you 525 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,839 actually start learning a lot of it just makes I mean, 526 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,599 for me, it just like that. It was just super 527 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,400 quick and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, so that's 528 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,359 what this setting does. 529 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,319 Speaker 3: That's what this does. 530 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,839 Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, And then you just kind of collectively take 531 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,039 all the things that you've learned and just really when 532 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,279 it comes to a camera, when you do one thing, 533 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,599 it affects something else. So you know what I mean, 534 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,400 Like when when you up your ISO, it adds more 535 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,400 light into the camera, but it also makes the image 536 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,599 more fuzzy, so stuff like that. So like almost every 537 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,920 setting that you can mess with it also messes with 538 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,039 something else. And once you learn that really that those 539 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:09,160 basic things you're not necessarily set, but you kind of 540 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,880 you can from there you can just go yeah, you know. 541 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:17,119 And it is definitely a very very interesting process because 542 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,599 you know, as a photographer, the weather hates us. 543 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so, and it also. 544 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: Goes down to the gear that you have as well. 545 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:28,680 The more gear you have, the different types of gear 546 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,519 you have, the more you can do. Really, you can 547 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,279 definitely do a lot with you know, I even have 548 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,880 right now, you know, as a twenty year old, it 549 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,279 doesn't have a lot of money. I only have, you know, 550 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,720 one camera body and three lenses. Even with that you 551 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,240 can do a lot, yeah, you know. But the the 552 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,640 more equipment that you have and the type of equipment 553 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,920 that you have, you can do a lot more. You 554 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,759 can shoot indoors, you can shoot at night, you can 555 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:53,759 shoot when it's cloudy, stuff like that. So really it 556 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:55,960 might not even come down to you know, what you 557 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:57,519 know and what you don't know. It just comes down 558 00:25:57,559 --> 00:25:59,039 to what tools do I have available? 559 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been in situations you mentioned the weather? 560 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,279 Have you been in situations where you needed to photograph 561 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,480 something in in uh weather, that was challenging. 562 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's especially with you know, only one 563 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,599 camera body and three lenses. It happens more more often, 564 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,759 especially in the winter, I bet, especially in the winter. 565 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:23,200 And I'm like, ah, because again, like lighting, lighting is 566 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,039 a big thing when it comes to me. You know, 567 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,240 it's it can be very especially indoors. You know it 568 00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,440 like like this right now, it's very you know, well 569 00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:33,160 lit room. But if I were to you know, take 570 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,799 my camera out, it's not gonna look so lightly right right, 571 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:38,960 especially with my my long lens. But you know, with 572 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,599 my one point for you know, fifty lens in here, 573 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,279 it would look pretty good. But again that's that's a 574 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,200 very very short lens. You can't really zoom in and 575 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,680 stuff like that. And that's the other thing when you 576 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:51,839 zoom in with a camera, it also. 577 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:52,839 Speaker 3: Gets darker as well. 578 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,559 Speaker 2: So oh okay, yeah, so it's very it can be 579 00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:59,039 very challenging when you're in a very big, open room 580 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:00,839 and you're trying to get the you know, close up 581 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,359 shots of you know, people talking and stuff like that 582 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:06,039 or just you know, what have you whatever you're photographing. 583 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,359 But again it's just gear. There's there's so much out there. 584 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,400 It's insane, Like I could literally look online for like 585 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,200 hours and hours and be like, oh I want this, 586 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:22,960 I want that, I want that. So it's also very expensive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 587 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Do you have a favorite 588 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:28,759 thing to photograph? Is there? Is there something anything in particular, 589 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,599 like political events or is there anything that? 590 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 3: Yes? 591 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: So I I cover a lot of protest and I 592 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,759 would say, not only is it my favorite thing to photograph, 593 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,039 but it is definitely the thing that I'm best at. 594 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. 595 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: Is just you know, telling people's stories of you know, resistance. 596 00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:49,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I love. 597 00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: That's another thing that got me really interested in photography 598 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,599 was I love talking to people. I love hearing people's stories, 599 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720 you know, the where did you come from? Why are 600 00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:02,039 you here? You know, just just learning about people is 601 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,599 something that fascinates me, you know. I I just love 602 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,880 talking to fellow humans, you know, and telling their stories. 603 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,680 To be able to not only tell their story, but 604 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:16,680 show people their story through the visual aspect of photography is. 605 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 3: Just something I love. 606 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 2: And again it's also very important to document events like that. Again, 607 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,599 no matter what your belief is, that's still history, you 608 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,319 know what I mean. It's it's still history. And to 609 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,319 be able to be at those events and meet the 610 00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:34,839 people that I meet, it's it's amazing, you know. And 611 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,359 it's again it's it's like one of the things that 612 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,839 I'm best at. I mean, the quality of images that 613 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,440 I've been able to get through those events is just insane, 614 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,599 you know. Also an another thing that I really love 615 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,720 the photograph is the motor the like motorsports. 616 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 3: Love it. I love it itself. 617 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,119 Speaker 2: Fun just to watch them jump up on their dirt 618 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,119 bikes and stuff like that. 619 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,799 Speaker 3: It's great. 620 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: I mean, that's awesome. 621 00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Is it a I would imagine part of I'm guessing 622 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,240 tell me if I'm right that part of what's exciting 623 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,160 about that is the challenge of getting like a really 624 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,240 good sort of action shot. Yeah. 625 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: And when you look back, and then when I get 626 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,079 home and I look back at my shots, I'm. 627 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: Like, oh, it's so cool. 628 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 629 00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, just there's just mid air. It's it's great. Uh. 630 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,039 I do also like I mean wildlife as well. It's 631 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,920 just it's so cool. I've gone to the Boston Commons 632 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,640 a lot because I mean, the squirrels. 633 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: Will just walk right up to you. Oh really, Yeah, 634 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:24,920 it's great. 635 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,759 Speaker 2: I mean I I literally have a photo of my U, 636 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400 my friend Bryce with an acorn in his hand and 637 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,799 the squirrels literally just like up against his hands. Really yeah, 638 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,319 grab the acorner hit out of his hand. 639 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just super cool. 640 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: And I mean a lot of street photography stuff is 641 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,079 great as well. I mean, you know, I've taken photos 642 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,440 of people in Boston just playing guitars on the side 643 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,039 of the streets stuff like that. And again, it's like 644 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,359 to other people that might seem like super mundane, but 645 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,000 you're you're capturing a moment there, yeah, you know, and 646 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,279 it's it's just with a camera. It's just it's so cool. Yeah, 647 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,119 that's another aspect of love. And I'm like, this is 648 00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:57,799 so cool. 649 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: Right, right, Like it's great. 650 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: Not only that, but if you take a picture of 651 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:06,519 somebody with a guitar, you never know exactly, You just 652 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:07,000 never know. 653 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:10,759 Speaker 2: And that's the other cool aspect of it. And again, 654 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:13,400 it's like when you as a photographer and you take 655 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,839 a photo of someone that's also a conversation initiator. You know, 656 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,920 As I mentioned before, I love talking to people, and 657 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,599 that's a great way to be like, hey, I got 658 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:21,759 this super cool photo of you. At the same time, 659 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:23,640 some people might be like, hey, why did you take 660 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,319 a photo of me? 661 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,559 Speaker 1: Which that's something I'm curious about too. So do you 662 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,359 ever have someone who you want to take their picture 663 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,759 and they and they say no? 664 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: So I when it comes to me on my own, 665 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,960 you know, when I'm out in public, I definitely do 666 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,559 tend to ask people first, or if it's for example, 667 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:44,480 like if someone is you know, playing a guitar or 668 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,079 actually like doing something, you know, I tend to take 669 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:49,799 the photo first and then show it to them and 670 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:51,640 then you know, if they want me to delete it, 671 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,640 obviously I'm gonna respect their right to privacy and I'm 672 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,960 gonna get rid of the photo. But I definitely do 673 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,240 make you know, initiations, you actually ask people like hey, 674 00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:01,759 can I take a. 675 00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:02,079 Speaker 3: Photo of you? 676 00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:05,119 Speaker 2: Because again, like I'm very you know, big on privacy 677 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,079 because I mean, I mean everyone should be. It's just 678 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:09,200 respectful and you know, it's just common sense. 679 00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 680 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: Uh. 681 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: But I mean I know at the the rallies and 682 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:15,240 stuff like that, I've had people come up to me 683 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,160 and they're like, are you a cop? And I'm like, no, really, no, 684 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:21,240 I mean it doesn't really. I mean I got the 685 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,599 short hair. I'm a tall, pretty Yeah. I get my 686 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,880 fit white dude who wears khakis and yeah polo shirts 687 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,720 a lot. Yeah, I totally get it. Uh, And I 688 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,680 totally get you know, people's worry about that stuff. But 689 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200 I'm like, no, I am not a police officer. And 690 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,880 they're like, oh, do you work for the press or 691 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,359 something like that. I'm like no, I'm like just a dude, 692 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,240 I promise. Yeah, Like I'm with you, you know, yeah, 693 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,039 you know, but I I kind of like laugh at 694 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,319 it now, you know what i mean, because I'm like, well, 695 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,240 I mean, do you see a bat? Like, no, I'm 696 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,000 not a police officer. And it It actually happened a 697 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,119 lot yesterday at the I was at the Portsmouth Airport 698 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:03,160 photographing the anti ice protests there and I did get 699 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,599 like around three people who are like, hey, dude, are 700 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,039 you are you a cop? And kidd like no, it's wow, 701 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,920 Like no, I'm not. That's funny, Like I just take pictures. 702 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:17,119 Oh that's funny. Yeah, but you know, just having simple 703 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:19,160 conversations with people and be like hey, no, you know, 704 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,039 I'm just here to document the event and stuff like that. Yeah, 705 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,039 everyone that I've come across so far has been like okay, 706 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:26,839 you know, thanks for being here and stuff like that. 707 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,279 And I do understand the worry that I mean, we 708 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,519 do live in you know, pretty sketchy times right now, 709 00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:33,079 so I totally understand it. 710 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: By the way, Todd Air of course from the Hanging 711 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:39,720 Left podcast, and he is in the chat room, he says, 712 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,279 love to go out and have you give me a 713 00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:46,160 refresher on photography, and he says he loves street photography 714 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720 as well. Very good, and we should mention, of course 715 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,480 Todd from the uh yeah, Hanging Left. I guess you're 716 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,480 coming on board with us officially, right, absolutely so, so 717 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:57,240 we'll have so Andrew and I and Todd. We host 718 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:02,000 the Hanging Left podcast. You can find online and it 719 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:08,160 is on all your favorite podcasting platforms of course. But yeah, 720 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,880 so you must you're with Todd every day, right because 721 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,640 you both work on the campaign. We won't get into 722 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,119 it in depth here, but the campaign. Do you want 723 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:17,200 to mention the campaign? Yeah? 724 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 2: So I am a campaign photographer for Sarah chid Zinsky. 725 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,880 She's running for congress here in New Hampshire. That's another 726 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,279 thing that's that I was like, you know, back to 727 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,359 what inspired me to do photography was not just you know, 728 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000 political rallies and protests and stuff like that, but also 729 00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,000 like my absolute dream is to be. 730 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 3: A White House photographer. Really, yeah, that is. 731 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: I went to d C for my eighth grade field trip, 732 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:44,839 and this was sort of where like, you know, the 733 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,680 first flame began of all, I really want to be 734 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,039 a photographer. I've always been interested in history, you know, 735 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:53,119 and you can't really be interested in history without being 736 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,599 history and with you know, interested in politics hand in hand. 737 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:56,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 738 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it just doesn't really make sense for 739 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,799 you to like history and then not like the thing 740 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,200 that dictates. 741 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,519 Speaker 3: Like all of history. 742 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course. 743 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: But I remember being there, you know, as like a 744 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,039 twelve year old, thirteen year old kid, and I was 745 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,119 just like this is this is where I want to be. 746 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:12,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. 747 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 2: I again, I had an iPhone at the time, and 748 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,119 I was just taking pictures of everything. Yeah, I actually 749 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:18,559 have I still have a photo of me in front 750 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,119 of the White House and I was like, that's where 751 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:20,599 I want to be. 752 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, I have actually have Pete. 753 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,159 Speaker 2: So's's photo book. He was Obama's chief White House photographer 754 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,800 the images. He was actually also Reagan's photographer as well. Yeah, So, 755 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,400 I mean it's so interesting. He's an amazing guy. And 756 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,599 the the types of photos and the quality of photos 757 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,639 that that man was able to produce is insane. 758 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:43,039 Speaker 1: Really. 759 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like he's like one of those people that 760 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,360 I look up to, you know, because I mean, that's 761 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,679 that's what I want to be right there in the 762 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,880 Oval office photographing what's going on. Yeah, you know, it's 763 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,119 just man, I'm just I can nerd out about it 764 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:57,119 for like the longest time. 765 00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:58,159 Speaker 3: But it's great. 766 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,199 Speaker 1: Are there are there any specific photos that come to 767 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,480 mind of of that are sort of iconic in your 768 00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:08,119 mind of of at the White House that that perhaps 769 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:09,559 that gentleman. Would you say his name. 770 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 3: Was Pete Soza? 771 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: I believe that's how you pronounce his name. 772 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,519 Speaker 1: Like, are there are there any specific photos you can 773 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,079 think of that he's taken that you can describe that. 774 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,559 Speaker 2: The the one that comes from One of my favorite 775 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,360 photos is the photo of Obama and his staff in 776 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,360 the situation room during the bin Laden raid. 777 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,519 Speaker 1: That was the first one I thought of when you 778 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,480 when you mentioned I, yeah, photos from the White House? 779 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:34,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I look at that photo almost every day, 780 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:39,039 and it's like to capture a photo like that is 781 00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,159 just it's just insane. Yeah, I mean that, like it 782 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,119 just blows my mind, like not only was he there 783 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:48,000 in that moment in that room with all the super 784 00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,280 important people, yeah, he got to document that like that 785 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,519 like that is forever in history because of him. Yeah, 786 00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:56,679 and that's just that the thought of that's just insane. 787 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. 788 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 2: And you know, even just like sort of the again 789 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,039 what other people might think is like mundane, but like 790 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,800 the photos of you know, one of Obama's daughters, like 791 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,639 sneaking behind the couch to like surprise him. It's like 792 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,400 when you think of the Oval Office like in my 793 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,840 brit Oh, it's a super serious place and all this stuff. 794 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,199 But I mean again, at the end of the day, 795 00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:20,199 like they're still human, right exactly, especially you know, you 796 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,239 know as young girls growing up in the White House, 797 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,039 like they're still gonna do all those kid things like 798 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,320 you know, scaring or surprising their dead. It's just that 799 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,159 and again, you it just shows like the humanity aspect 800 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:31,880 and it's just that is that is one of the 801 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,599 things that also I love about photography is just capturing humanity. 802 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, and its purest form. 803 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's just great, I love it. 804 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. So that that's the long term goal. 805 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,199 Speaker 3: That's that's what that would be. To get to d 806 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,159 C and to do that. 807 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be insane. 808 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Oh yeah, Todd says too. Yeah, that's 809 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:58,280 an amazing photo, he says, show Matt the protest photo 810 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,599 you took of me after the show. 811 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,679 Speaker 3: I can definitely send that over to you. 812 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, absolutely, absolutely. Oh the time goes 813 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,440 so quick. Yeah, this has been wonderful. Yeah, absolutely, you know, 814 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,239 and looking forward to talking to you of course on 815 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,559 the next hanging left as well. 816 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:15,159 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 817 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,639 Speaker 1: Where should people go to UH to follow you online 818 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,199 and if they want to see I assumed do you 819 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,719 have a website or something where you put a lot 820 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,000 of these photos are so? 821 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 2: I So the website is Friday dash Photography dot com. 822 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 3: Okay, I do. 823 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 2: I also am Friday Photography on UH Facebook as well. 824 00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:39,480 So the way to find that really is so the 825 00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,880 logo with the like Jason Vorhees esque hockey maskts it's 826 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,000 a play on my last name, you know, like Vorhez, 827 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:48,159 Friday Photography, Friday the thirteenth, you know. Yeah, a lot 828 00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:50,159 of people don't really know what that is, but you know, 829 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,679 uh look it up Friday the thirteenth. It's a super 830 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,639 good horror film. I believe it came out in the 831 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,159 round the eighty. 832 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,199 Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth. Probably I never got I never got 833 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,079 into those movies, but early eighties, early eighties. 834 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 2: And you can also just search up my name on 835 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,280 Facebook as well. I post all my stuff on there, 836 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,360 and that's just as an Apple and d R E 837 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,039 w V as the victor O O R H E 838 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:19,239 E S. I'm also on Instagram Andrew dot Andrew dot 839 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,920 V hold on, okay, let me make it right. 840 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 1: Definitely won't make sure people can Uh. 841 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 3: There we go. Andrew dot V thirteen on Instagram. 842 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,639 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, very good, very good. 843 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,559 Speaker 2: And for those who use blue Sky, oh yes, I 844 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:41,840 am the camera guy thirteen dot b s k Y 845 00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:42,760 dot Social. 846 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: I'll have to find you on blue Sky if I 847 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,239 if I if we're not already connected. I I have 848 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,960 Blue Sky, I I have the app on my phone 849 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,960 and everything, but I forget to use it, you know 850 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:52,360 what I mean. 851 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not gonna lot. Do you like I do 852 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:55,760 the same thing. I'm like, oh yeah, that does exist. 853 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people have switched from 854 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,800 X to Blue Sky and like that. So yeah, I 855 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,119 do need to get on there a lot more. 856 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: I know. Every time I'm reminded of it's like, oh, 857 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,639 I got to do that, and then I'll forget about 858 00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,440 it again. Well, very good, Well, Andrew Vorhees, thank you 859 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,800 so much. This has been wonderful. Absolutely, I'm sure we'll 860 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,039 do it again in the future and I'll see you 861 00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:18,599 on the podcast. Well, absolutely wonderful. Well, if you are 862 00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:22,039 listening live on Saturday, stick around Amber. Nicole Cannon is 863 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,559 coming up in the second hour. Is she in the building, Jenny, 864 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,840 She is in the building, so looking forward to speaking 865 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,800 with her. And in hour three, our friend Nancy Manet 866 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,559 is going to be joining us online via Microsoft Teams 867 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,320 all the way from Texas to talk about her new single. 868 00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,559 But so stick around. Plenty more to come here on 869 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,960 this Saturday on Matt connorton Unleashed and Andrew, thank you again. 870 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. 871 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: You got it.