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<v Speaker 1>Okay, facing reality, that's what far Ali said. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>do facing reality. That doesn't sound promising for a black

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<v Speaker 1>marriage Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you want to stay together? Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to make it better?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? We are being joined by a leadership and communications expert.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an author, a speaker and educator, and a coach.

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<v Speaker 1>His books include No Excuse, Guide to Success From Average

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<v Speaker 1>to Awesome and Crash and Learn. Better known as Mister Energy,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a Philadelphia native, a professional and personal development expert,

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<v Speaker 1>the founder and CEO of Jim Smith International, Jim Smith

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<v Speaker 1>Junior Doctor James Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, Good morning too. You know what an honor

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<v Speaker 3>and privilege would be with you? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great to have you on. And it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like you. You spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>working with institutions, you know, Prudential, Vanguard, Core States Bank,

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of corporate entities teaching people how to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>better for better results. Is that the same is a

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<v Speaker 1>marriage or a relationship? Should we be viewing it as

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<v Speaker 1>an institution or a corporation in terms of putting into

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<v Speaker 1>practice best practices of communication?

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<v Speaker 3>By and large, I would say yes, But I believe

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<v Speaker 3>in situations of marriage where it's more intimate, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>greater degree of authenticity and vulnerability that's needed. I've done

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<v Speaker 3>a great deal of research on authenticity at work, and

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<v Speaker 3>through that research I found out going in, I believe

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<v Speaker 3>that authenticity was either or either authentic or inauthentic. And

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<v Speaker 3>I learned through my research that is a matter more

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<v Speaker 3>or less and me choose how authentic to be given

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<v Speaker 3>the circumstance. And unfortunately, I'm finding corporate there's not a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of authenticity, or as much as it should. There's

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<v Speaker 3>companies speak, it's here's what I want you to know.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't tell you everything. You know, Yes, your head's spinning.

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<v Speaker 3>And in your marriage, you never want your partner to

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<v Speaker 3>leave a room or to leave a conversation with their

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<v Speaker 3>head spinning. I believe the stakes are higher.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's right that you don't want them to

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<v Speaker 1>leave going what just happened?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? I agree, And unfortunately, I've been in situations

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<v Speaker 3>where I went into that conversation and afterwards but did

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<v Speaker 3>I say, how did we get that? We started here

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<v Speaker 3>and now we're there? And my head was spinning. So

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that, honest, Frank, authentic communication is vital.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean vital, but it sounds like you're saying that

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<v Speaker 1>all authenticity is on a spectrum.

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<v Speaker 2>I was speaking with this woman more t Harra Poor.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a book called Bring Yourself, How to Negotiate Fearlessly.

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<v Speaker 1>She's you know, she's out of the Wharton School, and

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<v Speaker 1>she talks about negotiation right. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>she says, it sounds like you guys have this in common,

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<v Speaker 1>is that authenticity is really more important than some special

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<v Speaker 1>skill or some technique. Is that just showing up? And actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I like the rappers say keeping it real is much

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<v Speaker 1>more important than anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that I'm not a big Kurt Cobang fan,

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<v Speaker 3>but I did like his narrative when he said I'd

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<v Speaker 3>rather be hated for who I am than loved for

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<v Speaker 3>who I'm not. And unfortunately, I believe that many people

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<v Speaker 3>in corporate every day is Halloween trick or treat. Put

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<v Speaker 3>the face on, fake it till you make it, go

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<v Speaker 3>along and get along, chourage people to hone it until

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<v Speaker 3>you own it. But you're working it. And I believe

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<v Speaker 3>in marriages that should be the same working it, honing

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<v Speaker 3>it and showing up as a hundred percent authentic as

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<v Speaker 3>you can.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that work if authenticity is on a spectrum?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is that like I'm I'm a little bit lying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little bit misrepresenting. I mean, I don't I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not quite I know, like I in a way I

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<v Speaker 1>get it because I am on the radio every day,

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<v Speaker 1>and I sure I am authentic. I believe I'm authentic.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'll tell you all my business like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>You all my business.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I'll tell too much, but not all of.

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<v Speaker 3>It that's referred. I'm reminded of a situation where I

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<v Speaker 3>was doing some leadership training. It was right after Katrina

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<v Speaker 3>in New Orleans, and I'm working with the client and

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<v Speaker 3>of the senior leaders the room, there was only one

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<v Speaker 3>brother there, and during a break, a woman came up

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<v Speaker 3>to him and asked him, do you think the government's

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<v Speaker 3>slow response to the Katrina victims was because the Orleans

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<v Speaker 3>is primarily a black city? And my friend said, I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't answering that no way. There was no way I

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<v Speaker 3>can win by sharing my truth. So I said, I

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<v Speaker 3>can see why people might think that way. But he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to give his truth because he didn't feel

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<v Speaker 3>psychologically safe.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to be the poster boy in that moment. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>So are you saying is that authentic? Is that what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I believe that is authentic. Where he decided

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<v Speaker 3>from perceived consequences that it would be more helpful for

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<v Speaker 3>his career that he did not if he did not

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<v Speaker 3>disclose that truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad but true.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I remember during the O. J.

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<v Speaker 1>Simpson days in LA that was like the that was

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<v Speaker 1>the litmus test. White people would come up to you

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<v Speaker 1>and ask you, so, what do you think about OJ?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was really it was real. The real question

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<v Speaker 1>was will you betray your community?

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<v Speaker 2>That was the real question.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember that the great philosopher Neelie Fuller told us,

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<v Speaker 1>we're meant to say I know two things.

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<v Speaker 2>Two people are dead, and I didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I and.

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<v Speaker 1>So I suppose that is authentic. But but when we talk.

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<v Speaker 3>About we should we should know that when we are authentic,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is with our employer, corporate boss, whatever, and

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<v Speaker 3>with our partner, there comes a risk and that level

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<v Speaker 3>of authenticity may get you wounded. However, if you stay

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<v Speaker 3>true to your values and beliefs. You're going to at

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<v Speaker 3>some point learn how to walk with the wound, because

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to share something that someone disagrees with or

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't see it the way you see it, and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>not for enough along on their journey, and their response

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<v Speaker 3>to you may create disharmony in that relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is that creating the disharmony or is our response

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<v Speaker 1>to it creating the disharmony.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a combination. Number One I think is

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<v Speaker 3>how you share your truth. Our pastor when we were

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<v Speaker 3>getting married, you used to always say share your truth

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<v Speaker 3>and love you share your truth, but do it in

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<v Speaker 3>a loving and loving fashion, so as we are not sugarcoating,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're communicating in a way where someone's going to

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<v Speaker 3>receive what you have to say than it turning into

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<v Speaker 3>what I call a right fight, both people fighting to

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<v Speaker 3>be right.

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<v Speaker 2>A right fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I mean, what's the loving way to say you're fat?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe that's a bad example, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>there are some things.

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<v Speaker 3>That you know that are maybe baby, baby, baby, I

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<v Speaker 3>love it when you wear that red dress, but I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't seen it in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's the uplift. It's the uplift and let's work

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<v Speaker 3>on it together. What can I do? What can you do?

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<v Speaker 3>Certainly not to tear them down by speaking negatively or

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<v Speaker 3>even something you're trying to get the truth on what happened,

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<v Speaker 3>oftentimes by saying why did you do that? Ding? Ding?

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<v Speaker 3>The fights on? Yeah, you could, you could reframe it,

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<v Speaker 3>tell me about who you talk to, or tell me

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<v Speaker 3>about what went into it. We could tell me about

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<v Speaker 3>you're asking the person to talk, rather than saying why

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<v Speaker 3>did you and the person might shut down because that

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's how we communicate, how we reframe situations, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's the energy that we have created in the number

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<v Speaker 3>of deposits we've made in each other's journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Alrighty, well, we're going to practice this. We're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>good at this. We're going to communicate better in marriage, relationships, situationships, negotiationships.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a word.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor James Smith is with me and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, you're waking up with doctor James Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Black Marriage Monday, and he's supplying his expertise

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<v Speaker 1>in communications to our quandary about how to build stronger

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<v Speaker 1>and more resilient marriages.

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<v Speaker 2>Or long term committed relationships, even if you.

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<v Speaker 1>All don't have a piece of paper, even you know

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you got going on a forensic pink right forensic

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<v Speaker 1>account and says in the YouTube chat, I'd refrain from

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<v Speaker 1>any negative comments during menopause.

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<v Speaker 2>As a man, you have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yoga Fish says, most arguments come from misunderstandings, and I

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<v Speaker 1>hate to argue, but as couples, it's sometimes it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the more we love each other, the more we argue.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that, but I believe at one point in

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<v Speaker 3>that relationship the conversations were about what do you need?

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<v Speaker 3>How can I help? I was thinking about you, and

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately it evolves into you haven't done this, you haven't

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<v Speaker 3>done that. When's the last time you? So it went

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<v Speaker 3>from what can I do? To now pointing the accusatory

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<v Speaker 3>singer of you, and that turns into a right fight,

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<v Speaker 3>It turns into a debate and will keep repeating the

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<v Speaker 3>same patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about two things when I'm having discussions or

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<v Speaker 1>our immense doctor James Smith. One is Ion levan zandt

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<v Speaker 1>saying would you rather be right or would you rather

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<v Speaker 1>be happy to be happy?

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<v Speaker 2>That one hit me kind of hard. Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be right or do you want to be happy?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll pick happy?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Andy, Yeah, But a lot of times when we

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<v Speaker 1>get caught up in the moment, we're not thinking about that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just it becomes almost like a zero some game

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<v Speaker 1>rather than a conversation with a loved one.

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<v Speaker 3>And I agree. And here's the unfortunate part. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of that is stemming from a life trap that we

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<v Speaker 3>developed when we were young, whether it's our siblings, our parents,

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<v Speaker 3>we were treated a certain type of way, and we

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<v Speaker 3>begun began to act on that either defensively, dismissively, moving away.

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<v Speaker 3>And as we continue to grow older, that life trap

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<v Speaker 3>is still thus because we haven't confronted it, and we

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<v Speaker 3>take it into every relationship. So when you're triggered, you

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<v Speaker 3>go back to the I got to take care of myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not, yes, it is no, it's not. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that the other thing that I learned

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<v Speaker 1>that was helpful for me, and I wonder if you

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<v Speaker 1>have you agree with this or you have similar rules,

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<v Speaker 1>is that when I hear myself saying you never or

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<v Speaker 1>you always, those are red flags and I need to

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<v Speaker 1>check myself because as soon as I'm saying you never

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<v Speaker 1>or you always, I'm not allowing the other person anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>to go.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not, You're not. And where is your focus on

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<v Speaker 3>what you perceive me to be doing wrong? Or is

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<v Speaker 3>it how you can refrain how you see it? Or

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<v Speaker 3>can we sit down and discuss this in a civilized matter,

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<v Speaker 3>because to focus on grows. So if you focus on

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<v Speaker 3>what you perceive to be one of my blind spots,

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<v Speaker 3>oh that's going to grow huge because that's what your

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<v Speaker 3>focus is, rather than how can we work more effectively

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<v Speaker 2>Moment that fight, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Qualmela is saying, how do you resolve conflict and tension?

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<v Speaker 1>He says his wife and this man Morris in the

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<v Speaker 1>chat He says his wife and him have never argued

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<v Speaker 1>in decades they've been married. She loves the Lord and

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<v Speaker 1>I love her. He says, he's not bragging, it is

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<v Speaker 1>you how do you resolve conflict? And you know I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've had this conversation before. In other context, when couple

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a matter of both and or. I

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<v Speaker 3>do believe that a God fearing marriage, where people understand

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<v Speaker 3>their role in this partnership and choose God first, that

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<v Speaker 3>can play a key role. But I also say to

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<v Speaker 3>the other side of the point, are you talking, are

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<v Speaker 3>you sharing your truth? Are you sharing your concerns? Or

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<v Speaker 3>are you keeping it in? And of course you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be a NonStop, on demand complainer, But when

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<v Speaker 3>you do get into that conflict, Michael, my questions to

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<v Speaker 3>ask you, are you trying to fix? Are you trying

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<v Speaker 3>to understand?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And depending on where your mindset is will oftentimes

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<v Speaker 3>determine the outcome. Because if you're trying to fix, you're

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<v Speaker 3>that place I hate, and it's called devil's advocate. Let

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<v Speaker 3>me play devil's advocate. Let me put no, no. None of

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<v Speaker 3>your goal is to be right, but if it's to

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<v Speaker 3>help me understand, if it's to accept your truth as

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm going to say, if that's how you feel,

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<v Speaker 3>then that's how you feel. And I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>I want to uncover, I want to create unfolding dialogue.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to learn. I don't want to prove you wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>And depending on what mindset we have again, we'll play

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, that's the devil's advocate thing is a

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<v Speaker 1>little pet peeve of mine too. Just be the people's

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to advocate for the devil. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>that covered.

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<v Speaker 1>But but Morris is not feeling me. He says, what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is BS, and Okay, that's fine. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have a strong, loving, really relationship, please

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<v Speaker 1>be quiet. I think people process things in different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, some of us like to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>lot and some of us like to process a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any you know, any other kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dues and don'ts like that? Like I like I whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I hear myself now say you never or you always?

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<v Speaker 1>I you know what, Give me a second, let me

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<v Speaker 1>think this through, Let me breathe a few times and

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<v Speaker 1>come back and we'll we'll put a pin in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there any other things like that where we might

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<v Speaker 1>where we might hear ourselves and say, you know what, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to refrain. Yeah, I'm caught up in this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being as as Sahara Ali always says, be wise,

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<v Speaker 1>not emotional.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being emotional right now. Let me reel it in.

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<v Speaker 3>I know one thing for sure. Every time I have

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<v Speaker 3>moved into a conversation after I've been triggered and I

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<v Speaker 3>say to myself, this isn't going to end well? Is

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<v Speaker 3>it worth it? And every time I've moved forward triggered,

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't end well. It became explosive. So what I

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<v Speaker 3>should have done is go back to my favorite chair,

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<v Speaker 3>sit down, hands on knees, count to one hundred, prey

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<v Speaker 3>on it. And if I'm not triggered, if I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>ready to go yet, stay there. You are not going

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<v Speaker 3>to have a positive conversation if you walk in sweating.

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<v Speaker 3>They always say that the boxer when he or she's

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<v Speaker 3>about to fight. If they walk in the ring dry,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to get knocked out. But if they walk

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<v Speaker 3>in sweating, you know what's going to be on. So

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<v Speaker 3>you walk into that conversation sweating, You didn't walk in

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<v Speaker 3>to have a peaceful conversation. You win, right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And in life, they say, when we're young, we look

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<v Speaker 3>a lot like our parents, but when we get older,

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<v Speaker 3>we look a lot like our choices. So what are

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<v Speaker 3>we choosing in that moment of conflict or communication or disagreement.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you choosing? And oftentimes you want to get

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<v Speaker 3>what you choose, and that, unfortunately, is that desire to

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<v Speaker 3>be right. That is a relationship killer. Wanting to be right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice to be right, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nice to be in a marriage too, or in

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<v Speaker 1>a loving relationship. Jerry Anderson is in the chat. He says, hey, Morse,

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<v Speaker 1>does that translate into things women shouldn't be speaking up on?

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<v Speaker 2>Either?

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<v Speaker 1>A man can be told to shut up all the

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<v Speaker 1>time telling a woman what.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't speak on. Okay, we've only got.

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<v Speaker 1>Two minutes here, doctor James Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to lose, Yes, I'm going to lose some

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<v Speaker 3>brother points right here because I'm reading into the comment,

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<v Speaker 3>which is to be right. I have learned that as

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<v Speaker 3>much as we want to be equal, we are wired differently.

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<v Speaker 3>And every time I've gotten into an argument with my

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<v Speaker 3>spouse and I say, you keep cutting me off, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to end in disaster. So it's fielded process

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<v Speaker 3>and prayerfully move forward. I learned a long time that

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<v Speaker 3>we are wired differently. So to try to get a

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<v Speaker 3>woman to act like a man and vice versa, then

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<v Speaker 3>the woman doesn't need that man, or the man doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>need that woman. Understand the dichotomy. The difference is in

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<v Speaker 3>the relationship. And yes, there are some things, some words

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<v Speaker 3>that sting a lot more. And there's no rules for argument,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been told consistently. Now we're arguing about the rules

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<v Speaker 3>of argument rather than who's coming in late and who's

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<v Speaker 3>coming in early and who's not cleaning up the conversations

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<v Speaker 3>Now on the rules and guys, as a person who's

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<v Speaker 3>been on the receiving end, you're not going to win that.

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<v Speaker 3>So how important is it? How important is it? It's

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<v Speaker 3>frustrating to be interrupted, but you're not going to change

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<v Speaker 3>that score.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Wow, A bunch of greats.

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<v Speaker 3>And were interrupted at work that boss talk over.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right right, right, right right, well yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean yeah, We've got news, traffic and sports right here.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll address the twenty seven questions you brought up when

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<v Speaker 1>we just when we come forward along with Big John,

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<v Speaker 1>who says being all the way authentic will have a

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<v Speaker 1>person some single and unemployed, Well address thatded more after news,

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<v Speaker 1>traffic and sports only right here, and it's scholarly match

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<v Speaker 1>is almost always you and we're pleased to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>on this black marriage Monday with doctor James Smith. He's

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<v Speaker 1>an expert on communications, leadership, communications, the author of books

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<v Speaker 1>including The No Excuse Guide to Success and from Averaged Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find out more at doctor James Smith Junior

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<v Speaker 1>dot com Doctor James Smith Jr. Don't spell out junior

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<v Speaker 1>doctor James Smith Junior dot com and you can order

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<v Speaker 1>his books there and find out much much more applying

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<v Speaker 1>these principles to relationships. Wrote down several questions here, some

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<v Speaker 1>of them coming from our Chack Qwamel wants to know

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<v Speaker 1>if you believe in the age Old Adage, then men

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<v Speaker 1>should not argue with women period.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, argue sounds like a fight so that's the question. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe that. I believe men and women should have

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<v Speaker 3>conversations expressing their once, their thoughts, their needs, their desires,

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<v Speaker 3>and give the other opportunity to listen, perhaps refrain, and

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<v Speaker 3>not look to be right. But when I hear argue,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't think of an argument that ever won with

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<v Speaker 3>a woman, my daughter, my mother, and my wife. Is

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<v Speaker 3>not going to happen, you know, So let's let's discuss it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I believe there was a conversation in the chat

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<v Speaker 3>room previously about if you're always authentic, the lead to

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<v Speaker 3>a variety of negative factors. I believe through my research

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<v Speaker 3>there is what's called a threshold for authentic expression. Initially,

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<v Speaker 3>the first part of the threshold is to fake it

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<v Speaker 3>to you and make it not sharing your truth, being

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<v Speaker 3>passive and not being authentic. In the middle, I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>from say we go one to ten, I would say

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<v Speaker 3>from a four to eight, you're leaning more towards true

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<v Speaker 3>authentic expression. That is acceptable. But if you are an

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<v Speaker 3>authentic narcissist, racism, whatever, those go against the cultural, more rays,

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<v Speaker 3>the organizational, more raised the values that you're establishing your relationship,

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<v Speaker 3>So all bets are off if you're going buck while crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, insane with your degree of authenticity, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why you're back to this idea of authenticity

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<v Speaker 1>being on a spectrum and or the tone I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because tone and how you deliver it is all so important.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's the wrapping of the gifts inside. And the

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<v Speaker 3>gift is feedback, And if you want someone to receive feedback,

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<v Speaker 3>well it's how you frame it. When I do coaching

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<v Speaker 3>on presentation skills, where someone stands up and they present

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<v Speaker 3>virtually or in person, I give them feedback three ways.

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<v Speaker 3>The first p is praise, the second p is polish,

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<v Speaker 3>in the third pie is possibility. So the praise what

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<v Speaker 3>you did extremely well, the polish what you could do better,

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<v Speaker 3>and the possibility a way for you to do it better.

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<v Speaker 3>And people receive that feedback much better than positive constructive

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<v Speaker 3>or what you did right. What you did wrong is

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<v Speaker 3>communicating clearly so the person can feel it, see it,

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<v Speaker 3>and hear it. And the here is not volume, The

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<v Speaker 3>here is visceral understanding. Because like you, I'm sure at

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<v Speaker 3>some point growing up your mom or dad said, girl,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't hear me. They weren't talking volume. They were

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<v Speaker 3>talking visceral understanding, cognitive understand because if you got it,

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<v Speaker 3>you would have done something different with it well.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact of the matter is the reason I

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<v Speaker 1>chuckled is because I know that a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>when folks get into discussions couples, friends, families, they do

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<v Speaker 1>raise their volume, and that's usually a sign that they're

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're talking loud now that neighbors can hear, but

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<v Speaker 3>neither one of us is listening to what the other

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<v Speaker 3>or call you on that one thing that they disagree with,

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<v Speaker 3>and now the conversation is going to arive straight.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a pet peeve about that with radio hosts,

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<v Speaker 1>of people just they have their list of questions and

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<v Speaker 1>they're just waiting to ask their question. And it's the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with a loved one. Sometime they're not listening, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the person you're talking to could say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I killed my neighbor and buried them under the floorboards,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would just go to their next question because

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<v Speaker 1>they're not listening.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you so much. I'm interviewed a lot

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<v Speaker 3>on shows. I have my own radio show here in Philadelphia.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a pet peeve of mine. The agenda and

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<v Speaker 3>also the question that's followed by a statement. The interviewer

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<v Speaker 3>forgot the question because you ask the question, then you

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<v Speaker 3>go into a diet tribe while you feel this way,

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<v Speaker 3>and now I'm like, what did you ask? Its agenda?

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<v Speaker 3>It's agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's one, go ahead, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's one for you. At one point, my traveling got

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<v Speaker 3>up to seventy percent of the time. This is before COVID.

439
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<v Speaker 3>I was on the road NonStop, and equivalently, every time

440
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<v Speaker 3>I was about to leave to head to the airport,

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<v Speaker 3>my wife would say, can you take the trash out? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Trash should be the next day. Two days a week,

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<v Speaker 3>she would say, take the trash out. I grew so

444
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<v Speaker 3>frustrated and angry, and I would take that trash out,

445
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<v Speaker 3>talking under my bon so I remember this. One time

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<v Speaker 3>it happened. I took it out, got in my car.

447
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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm late for my flight, my college roommate calls me,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on? I'm taking tray either A dude, if

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<v Speaker 3>she always asks you to take the trash out, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know she's going to ask you to take the

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<v Speaker 3>trash out, how would you take the trash out before

452
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<v Speaker 3>she asked you? Duh? But what I wanted I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>her to stop asking me. I wanted her to change,

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<v Speaker 3>and that led to months of me being fired up

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<v Speaker 3>until finally I just did, I'm gonna take the trash out.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I left, I would say, I'm taking the trash out.

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<v Speaker 3>I got an extra five minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to do nothing, you want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>come say a heartfelt goodbye?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Huh out? Now? How you let me? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean I think that's fair in what is

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<v Speaker 1>our part? Whatever the interaction is? What is our part

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<v Speaker 1>in this?

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<v Speaker 2>The uh?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? You talk about communication a lot, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>with corporations. Are there techniques that would translate into a

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<v Speaker 1>marriage or or a love relationship? Techniques that you teach

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<v Speaker 1>to corporate leaders about how to more effectively communicate what

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to say?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I'll give you a couple. One is too when

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking to your partner to listen for the c

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<v Speaker 3>m F stands for content, meaning, and feeling. The words

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<v Speaker 3>may be coming out as content that you think you understand,

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<v Speaker 3>but it may not be what he or she means

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<v Speaker 3>or how they feel. Perfect example, I walk into the

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<v Speaker 3>kitchen my life stare. She's a little frustrated. Her arms

477
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<v Speaker 3>are folded. The babe, what's wrong? Nothing? Yeah, hold up?

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<v Speaker 3>Hold up? He said nothing, But the volume, in the

479
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<v Speaker 3>tone and their energy suggest something is wrong. So let's

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<v Speaker 3>talk about what could be contributing to your energy right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen for the content, meaning, and feeling. Another tool is

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<v Speaker 3>to focus on the behavior, not on the person. You

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<v Speaker 3>have a better chance of changing one's behavior than you

484
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<v Speaker 3>will change the person. The last story I told you

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<v Speaker 3>gave evidence to that, So you're focused on the behavior

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<v Speaker 3>that you want to have, that you want to end.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's focusing on the behavior, not the person. It's

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<v Speaker 3>truly listening for the content, meaning, and feeling. And when

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<v Speaker 3>you do have that critical, critical feedback, you start with

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<v Speaker 3>the facts. What did the person do? And they have

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<v Speaker 3>to be observable and measurable facts. Second, you give your

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<v Speaker 3>opinion of the facts how they land on you. The

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<v Speaker 3>facts opinion. Third, you ask for their opinion on what

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<v Speaker 3>you just said. And where we go wrong is we

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<v Speaker 3>start with opinion and not facts. Now you're arguing over

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<v Speaker 3>something that has nothing to do with the facts. Right,

497
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<v Speaker 3>the once use facts, opinion, the other person's opinion. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>let's talk about what we're going to do going forward,

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<v Speaker 3>what each of us are going to do. And finally,

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<v Speaker 3>the E stands for express confidence. This is called the

501
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<v Speaker 3>state model. Start with the facts, talk about your opinion,

502
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<v Speaker 3>ask for their opinion, talk about what you're going to do,

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<v Speaker 3>and express confidence. And finally, exclamation mark, let's talk accountability.

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<v Speaker 3>How are we going to make sure we are walking

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<v Speaker 3>and living what we talk?

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<v Speaker 1>I find that a lot of men on social media

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<v Speaker 1>complain that women are not accountable or that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be held accountable. And you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>there's another version of that conversation happening with women about

510
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<v Speaker 1>men not holding themselves to account. But I think this

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<v Speaker 1>was also mentioned in the chat here as well. How

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<v Speaker 1>do what does that accountability look like?

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<v Speaker 2>And how do you.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you hold yourself accountable in a way that's

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, you know, satisfying for both partners.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's phenomenal question. Phenomenal question Number one is

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<v Speaker 3>truly understanding and living your values and beliefs, not consistently

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<v Speaker 3>moving the goalpost back. Well, I'm gon let it go

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<v Speaker 3>this time, I'm let it go. What do you believe in?

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<v Speaker 3>Number two? This is grammatically incorrect, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>profound in that they become who you be. They become

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<v Speaker 3>who you be, so as you're being clear, loving, consistent communicating.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been my experience that the other person did the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing too. They didn't see the drive by shootings,

525
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<v Speaker 3>they didn't see the bomb grenades, they didn't see the

526
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 3>silent treatment scorn. They saw a loving, god fearing, caring

527
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<v Speaker 3>person who really wants to lift you up consistently, not

528
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<v Speaker 3>tear you down. And we're not always going to agree.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not we're two different people. But how do we

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<v Speaker 3>get that point of to that place of I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>listen to what you're saying and listen for the unsaid

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<v Speaker 3>and vice versa, because I know you're not gonna get

533
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<v Speaker 3>up screaming, you're not gonna be yelling, you're not gonna be

534
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<v Speaker 3>slamming doors, because that's not what we do here. So

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<v Speaker 3>they become who you be. And I believe each person

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<v Speaker 3>has to step into their level of accountability. And Nancy Smith,

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<v Speaker 3>my mother started me early because I attended K through

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<v Speaker 3>twelve without missing a day of school. So she got

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<v Speaker 3>that accountability gene in me than four years under, four

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<v Speaker 3>years of undergrad never missed the class, went on to

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<v Speaker 3>grad school, never missed the class. She always said, and

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<v Speaker 3>I chuckle. She said, don't give people bullets. They already

543
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<v Speaker 3>have guns. Don't give them a reason to exclude you,

544
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<v Speaker 3>not to choose you, to say you're not worthy by

545
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<v Speaker 3>being late, by not doing the assignment, by not following through,

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<v Speaker 3>by not letting your yes mean yes and you no

547
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<v Speaker 3>me no. You gave me a reason. So don't give

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<v Speaker 3>your partner a reason to sit this one out. Be consistent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I could.

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<v Speaker 1>I could get a T shirt that says that doctor

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<v Speaker 1>James Smith is my guest. It's a Black marriage Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're using the best of our knowledge in communication

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<v Speaker 1>to help us do a little better in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll continue the conversation when we come forward. On KBLA

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<v Speaker 2>Talk fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty their radio host and speaking expert Communications expert, doctor

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<v Speaker 1>James Smith is with us. And you know, we've been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about communication. That's what we do for a living.

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<v Speaker 1>But so many times we don't apply the same standards

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<v Speaker 1>that we have at their workplace or in other settings,

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<v Speaker 1>the same courtesies in a personal relationship in our home relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that's kind of Nikki Giovanni and James bald

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<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about in that famous conversation where she says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you lot to your boss, you smile at

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<v Speaker 1>your boss when you don't feel good.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, I want you to do that for me as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that part of what we're talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is bringing professional courtesy into the home, but somehow matching

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<v Speaker 1>it with authenticity.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe. I believe I want to say yes and no.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe it should be courtesy in general. And if

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<v Speaker 3>we can summon to the power to be courteous at work,

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<v Speaker 3>we can certainly summon the power to be courtesy at home.

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<v Speaker 3>Courteous at home. It's a mind shift that has to occur.

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<v Speaker 3>You weren't about losing your job, hey, trust me, losing

576
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<v Speaker 3>your spouse is more significant than losing the job, in

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<v Speaker 3>my opinion, because I believe one of the biggest the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest decisions you can making your life. In addition to

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<v Speaker 3>accepting God as your Lord and savior Jesus Christ, and

580
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<v Speaker 3>just being committed to that is your partner for life.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's huge. So if you're gonna give me a

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<v Speaker 3>quick example, my wife and I made an agreement, no

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<v Speaker 3>shoes in the house. Come in the house, taking shoes off,

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<v Speaker 3>and going out put them back on. So for a

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<v Speaker 3>period of time she kept the shoes on. She said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do it when I get in the bedroom. Oh no, bed,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not so. Every day I'm focusing on what's on

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<v Speaker 3>her feet rather than how to love and to serve

589
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<v Speaker 3>her and to give her what she needs. I'm focusing

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<v Speaker 3>on being right take off the shoes, which led to

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<v Speaker 3>quiet evening. Now I ask myself, how significant is that

592
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<v Speaker 3>in our relationship? How much is it worth it? I

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<v Speaker 3>stopped and guess what started taking them off?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? I mean that's part of it too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because I think sometimes in a situation like that,

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<v Speaker 1>we make it about more than the shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>It becomes a symbol.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we made an agreement, and you're not keeping the agreement,

599
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<v Speaker 1>and therefore you don't respect our you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Blah, blah blah blah blah. We extrapolate he's down like me.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're disrespecting me. You know, men don't want to

602
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<v Speaker 3>be disrespected, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's not really about it. It's not about the shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about the agreement, your word.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we doing too much?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, And I believe that comes from unfortunately scarcity

607
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 3>mindset rather than the mindset of abundance and looking at

608
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<v Speaker 3>what the person does for you, your heart, your soul,

609
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<v Speaker 3>your family. But because you don't get this, that's what

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna focus on. Come on, abundance. You decided that

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to walk down this journey, this path together

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<v Speaker 3>Ques and house trash.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the hill you want to die on. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You also said something.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not easy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not easy, No, none of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds easy, but I think when we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it and think about it, it gets easier, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just getting stuck in patterns. You also said

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<v Speaker 1>something I wanted to follow up on, which is you said,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the unset.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we do that?

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<v Speaker 3>That's feeling the energy and if they want to learn

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<v Speaker 3>more about energy, it's the Celestine prophecy by James Redfield.

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<v Speaker 3>I read that a long time ago, but he talks

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<v Speaker 3>about you can feel someone pulling towards you or pulling

628
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<v Speaker 3>away from you, just by being in that space. So

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<v Speaker 3>listen for the energy. And I believe if you're listening

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<v Speaker 3>for that interview, you can determine whether it's positive or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't label it. But in twit of the intuitively, you

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<v Speaker 3>get a sense for where that's coming from. And you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hear those words loud and clear by just

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<v Speaker 3>listening and looking and observing and looking for patterns. Every

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<v Speaker 3>time you get the conversation, does that person go quiet?

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<v Speaker 3>M Well, there is something about this conversation that takes

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<v Speaker 3>them to a timeout. But in our haste to be right,

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<v Speaker 3>to be heard, to drive home the point to be

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<v Speaker 3>Johnny Cock wing for ourselves, we're creating more distance versus closeness.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, yeah, if the shoe fits, we must.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Morris also says, never ever, ever, ever, ever cuss.

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<v Speaker 3>Hm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I arguments, not ever in life because if I

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<v Speaker 1>could comply with that, but never in an argument.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's certainly a deal breaker. That's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a quiet evening, maybe a quiet next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 3>We are intelligent enough hopefully to convey a feeling and

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<v Speaker 3>emotion without having to add profanity to it. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the one who doesn't use a lot of profanity. I

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<v Speaker 3>admit I will if I feel there's some danger there,

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<v Speaker 3>but for the most part, I'd do my best to

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<v Speaker 3>express myself in a way where I don't create any

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<v Speaker 3>red flags about what I said or how I said it. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's good to hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you're a very disciplined individual, and I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely commend you on that. But more than that, I

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<v Speaker 1>commend you for today's conversation because I think it was important.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, gives us a lot of things to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor James Smith has been our guest. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for being here. Doctor James Smith Junior dot com jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor James Smith Junior dot com is where you can

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<v Speaker 1>find him. Thank you again, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. He started my week off one

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<v Speaker 3>of a very very very happy, happy way.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you all right, and thank you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We all need these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you know, Tavis Smiley's up next, he's getting

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