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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, early in hour three, ched, I'm sitting in
for Pete Calender on his fantastic and amazing show, and
I'm enjoying some well deserved time off. Here is we
enter the two hundred and fiftieth year of the nation.
We'll be celebrating a lot of that and that, you know,
it must drive the left bonkers. I think there's going
to be so Trump's president. You're gonna have the two
hundred fiftieth anniversary of the country, which will be huge.
It'd be huge. We also will have the links, We'll
have the World Cup. There's so much going on, and
it's going next year. For those of you who are
interested in kind of slowing things down so you can
enjoy the planet a little longer. Next year is going
to fly by. There's gonna be so in addition to
all the normal things that will happen, there's gonna be
a ton of stuff happened. It's just gonna fly by.
You're gonna feel if you have FOMO at all, next
year it is going to be a very bad year
for you, because there's just no way you can see
it all between all the normal stuff between if you
like sports at all, there's all the normal sports stuff,
they're all normal seasons. But in addition, you throw in
the two fifty, you throw in the World Cup, you
throw in the Olympics, there's just so much going on
it's going to be impossible to keep posing. I want
to start with a little statistic before we get into
the rest of the show today, and by the way,
if you want to get in on the conversation, you
are welcome to do so. It's seven oh four five
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know the minute that comes in now or anything that's
on your mind. This is just kind of a statistic
worth knowing. And as we get into and I am
a let me tell you ups front. I am someone
who absolutely believes the last four years have been devastating
from a from an economic immigration standpoint, the illegal immigration situation,
the lack of enforcement at the border. We had four
years of an administration saying Congress is the only person
that can do anything. And we knew that wasn't true.
Left or right, we knew it. We've seen it now.
You know that got aways and apprehensions have nearly dropped
to zero. It's an amazing turnaround from an inept administration
to one that knows what the hell they're doing. So,
but here's here the numbers given. I remember eating a
column by George will back in the nineties and he
was addressing the then immigration problem and saying that Americans
pretty much in this may in the early middle nineties. Anyway,
I penned it. Actually, it's back when people cut things
out of newspapers. I did, and I remember referring to
it quite a bit because it was it's a numbers game,
and here's here's the reality. And I don't care if
you are hardcore right leaning or you hate this process
by which they are illegals. We've let in millions legally,
but there's a lot more. The most recent estimates suggest
that there are approximately eleven million. I love the use
of this race unauthorized immigrants living in the United States,
and I love the way they have to add this description.
This is kind of an AI thing. These individuals reside
in the US without legal permission. In other words, they said,
unauthorized immigrants that are living here without legal permission. I
can expedite that. That shortened a lot. There are eleven
million illegal immigrants slash aliens living in the United States. Now,
that's an unfathomably large number. If you want to try
to let's put that in perspective. Think about Charlotte Mecklenburg
Union comparis, all the counties around it, Gaston, and then
keep going and add the counties leading up to Bunkom
and the counties that lead up to Guildford and Greensboro,
lead the counties at Durham and Wake, Raleigh and Durham
over to Cumberland County and Fedville, and then keep going
and add go on down the road seventy four to
seventy six, all the way to New hanifd County, go
all the way to the outer banks, go all the
way to the far corners, you know, from Murphy to Manio,
from state line to state line. And then add that
number together and you don't get to eleven million. So
picture the entire population of North Carolina, the known population.
That's how many illegal immigrants around the country best estimate
right now, that's almost a number that's now think about
that if you were trying to move, I mean, we
can barely, we can barely evacuate the coast in the
path of a hurricane. You have to turn all the
roads in reverse. And it's and even then it's it's
a ludicrously large number of people to stay. And that's
just as small. It's like a county like Brunswick or
Newhan or you know, one hundred two hundred thousand people,
not ten million. Imagine moving the entire state of North
Carolina to Texas or to I don't know, Florida ten
plus million people. The logistics involved in doing that are
you can't even picture that. There's not enough And especially
if you're trying to imagine this, You've got to gather
up all the people in the state that don't necessarily
want to go and leave the state, and you've got
to gather them up, and then you have to process them.
You have to have to do process legal and get
them on a bus. You know how many buses it
would take. Just do the simple math that the fifty
sixty people for bus divided by eleven million, and you
get a ludicrous number. There aren't enough busses to move
those folks. Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't move forward
with what we're doing, but I want you to. I
want everyone out there to have a realistic expectation of
what this means, because this is not a one, two,
three four year process. This is a decayed nol. It
would take. It is a It is going to take
the fortitude of and this is why the Democrats are
so important. It's going to take the fortitude of both
parties to get this sound of control. Now, one word,
the ugly word that Reagan used and it happened is amnesty.
They're asking Trump about that word. Now, is there a
way to because we're trying to First of all, you
have to get rid of the bad guys. You got
to get rid of the bad guys. Those are criminal records,
those of rape, murder, all that stuff. You've got to
find a way that the most important high target you
got to get rid of. That's what the alligator of Alcatraz.
Don't let people think you it's about women and kids
out there. Know these are these are the bad ones.
These are the ones you want to get the heck
out of the country. But nonetheless, eleven million unauthorized illegal immigrants,
let's run that number. So Holman said yesterday that he's
dealing with seven thousand a day, that he's got to
deport seven thousand a day just to keep up with
the Biden you know, the last two years of Biden.
If you add all of that up, if you did,
and it's hard to get it's seven thousand people a
day is tough if you do set and I don't
know that they're doing that seven days a week, but
if they were seven thousand people a day, seven days
a week for an entire year, you get to two
point five million. And that's if you can get to
seven thousand a day, and that is a heavy lift.
So even if you were to do seven thousand a day,
seven days a week for four years, you get to
ten million. But that is a herculean, unachievable reality. That's
what That's what Tom Holman's group and ices up it.
Not to mention, you've got democrats that don't want to
cooperate with them, You've got cities that want to try
to and you've got a bunch of democrats and lefties
that are trying to monitor where ICE is what they're
doing and put it on an app so that people
can target and kill them. So the left is making
the job increasingly difficult. They don't want people to be deported.
They don't seem to think that having a border in
the country matters.
Speaker 3: But it is.
Speaker 2: It is a mathematical you know, it's not right or wrong.
It's a mathematical problem. I don't know how it's dealt with.
We don't have the inforession right now. If you could
get a magic button and round up all eleven million
unauthorized immigrants in the country. There's no there's no facility
in the country or the world that can house that.
We don't have the logistics, We don't have that many
buses played with. You don't You can't move the entire
population of North Carolina in a reasonable amount of time,
especially if they don't want to be found. So just
wanted to put that out there so that you can
chew on that. Make you mad, you can make it
up static, make you mad about what happening, make you
extremely upset about what's happened over the past four years.
But it also means that we've got it. I don't
know if we have the stomach as a society for
what that would look like moving into the entire population
of a state. Basically, I don't know that we have
the stomach for that. So we'll see. But the good
news is you have to stop the bleeding first, you
have to get rid of the bad guy's second, and
then you've got to strategically figure out how to work
back to where there might be a legitimate path to
citizenship for some I don't know. I'm not saying that
that's the answer, but the logistics of eleven million nigh
on impossible. Just not gonna happen, all right.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, because we go roaring through the third hour.
It's just been I love I just love WBT. Now
you can say it, but it's a truthful statement. It's
been a pleasure and honor to work with them these
past few years, and a great team behind the scenes
making it sound fantastic. Now, thanks for holding, and I'll
get to those phone calls right away. Richard, you've been
on hold through the break. What's on your brain today? Man?
Speaker 4: How you doing well? The mining administration, they basically essentially
have broken it.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to put.
Speaker 4: Humpty Dumpy back together again. So we get rid of
the criminals and you're gonna have to do some sort
of comprehensive immigration reform because we have to just mitigate
the damage. At this point, you're not going to be
able to put it all back together again.
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't think you're wrong there on
the background, but you're you're hitting on all sellers there.
I think that that and there's some people that are
going to say, oh, this was all planned, they wanted
to break the system. I think it was just an
inept administration. But it when it comes to comprehensive immigration
reform that is something that Congress needs to do. That
is a congressional thing. It's not about securing the border,
although that's been done, but I do I don't know
what the path for it will be. It's very Reagan esque.
I don't see, and I don't think the American public
has the stomach to see eleven million people load up
on buses, plus you don't have enough busses to do it.
So I don't think you're wrong there. So I don't
think you're disagree.
Speaker 4: I really do think this was done absolutely purposely. You
can't beat this dumb and they did it purposely. But
we got to get the criminals out, and we're going
to have to figure out a way because they want
these people to vote. We just have to figure out
away what they vote.
Speaker 2: Conservatively, eleven million votes at stake. Yeah, you're right, and
I don't disagree. I think they saw the trend line.
There are many people that wanted this staff and so, Richard,
thank you for the call.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your listening. And one of our favorite callers,
I think he's been on motion what Hello? So I
think Mike is a frequent caller to the broadcast. Mike,
you know someone who's been active in Democrat politics for
many years. Welcome to the show. How the heck are you?
Speaker 5: I'm doing time? Yeah, I was living the wrong line.
Have you got me?
Speaker 2: I do? You are on the air?
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you? I was, I was talking out. I
think you picked up the line. Excuse me? And can
you hear me?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: Chief, I got a new head be and I don't
know what it's sounding like.
Speaker 2: You sound great, Mike, go ahead, all right.
Speaker 5: Sorry about that. I appreciate the quick intro, believe it
or all. I'm actually calling to thank you for talking
just about the numbers, you know, just being straightforward about
what the path that we're on right now. And I've
spoken with bred about this before. I think I don't know.
I'm not sure you and I have spoken on it before.
But rather than nass deportation, I'm talking about maybe smart deportation.
And what I mean by that is really talking about
a lot of your priorities. First stop the bleeding, which
you know in terms of security the borders, which we
was done, and then secondly get the bad guys out.
And I think if the administration and law enforcement focused
on that, on that aspect of really focusing on the
bad guys rather than just sweeping everybody up, we be
better off. And the other thing about it is really
an economic issue. If you're not really compassionate about these
people who haven't had to traverse so far to get
here to try and seek the better life. It's just
the economics of it. They voted in this recent bill,
which is a separate conversation which I'd love to have
with you sometimes. But there's like one hundred and fifty
billion dollars there, right Chad, and right now it's designated
to go all to all these prisons and to you know,
do transportation and all this other stuff help out if
we instead look at building up courts and training people
that can help the good folks, which is the vast, vast,
vast majority of these people come in and go through
the process, go you know that, we vet them, We
know who they are. Most of them are holding down
jobs now under the radar. Most of them are wanting
to be very good citisens. That's what they're here while
they're here. But Mike, let me, I think if we
took if we took money in that and moved it
that way, not only would it be smarter. It'd be
a lot we make a lot more money that way,
a lot better for the economy. So if you move
them all out, I mean, that's going to really really
hurt the economy.
Speaker 3: Mike.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, know your I think you're trying to
find some common ground there. Much appreciated. Many listeners are
familiar with hearing you on the different shows, and we
appreciate your listening. I'm sure the station does as well.
Now I agree with you, I don't, so we got
we agree. We got to get aggressive about those that
means harm. There are many cartel members, there's many people
foreig nationals that don't they came in from Canada, even
not just Mexico, but have come through the Canadian border.
That there is a serious criminal issue that needs to
be dealt with. And then as we get through this,
as Holman said, seven thousand people today is an almost
an unsustainable clip. I get very good at it, but
at a certain point you're running into a different demographic
that you're having to deal with. I do think in
the second reconciliation and the fall or possibly next spring,
the next reconciliation, which the Speaker of the House referred
to on numerous interviews, not just me. That will be
something that comes up. Congress needs to deal with that
issue that is beyond just the executive branch, and that
is something that must be conferred and dealt with with
Congress and maybe approved about the executive branch to move
things forward. Mike, I'm up against a break right now.
But quick question, well stay if you want to stay
through the break, you can. I just got to go
to a break. Okay, I don't mind just taking around.
I love this kind of conversation.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, chat out. I'm sitting in for Pete calendar. Beautiful,
beautiful summer day. You've heard me saying like twenty thousand times.
I'll probably say it a lot more as the week
goes on, having a blast. As always, we're continue with
our quessial with Mayak stay through the break. Mine a
frequent caller to the station. As I understand, I've spoken
to him several times in my various stints here, and
we were talking about immigration. We had some common ground.
But Mike, you got a question that I have one
for you, So I'll let you go on. You've been
saving up your question. Go ahead.
Speaker 5: Is great, but I'm having a tough time here and
here you've gotten no kind of soft on me. If
I don't, maybe the turne will volume up on my end,
but I will. I will ask the question first that
I was holding through the brake Ford, which is, you know,
Home is talking about moving out seven thousand a day,
and you were right to point out what a heavy
list that is and how difficult it is to get
those kind of numbers. My question for you, though, I
love your opinion of those seven thousand, if somehow he
could arrange all that and crank it all up and
just you know, quite grupful by factor of ten whatever
the number of agents and rags that you're seeing and
get all that. But how many of those seven thousands
are the really bad guys?
Speaker 2: Well that's what they're determining there.
Speaker 5: They're not really bad guys. Aren't we hurting ourselves?
Speaker 2: I don't know if Mike, I don't know if you
heard Homan. What he's saying is, after going through the
process of finding out who they are, he's deporting seven
thousand a day. So my question was, you know, doing
that seven days a week, it's an unsustainable And I
agree it's an unsustainable path. I mean, you're getting them,
you're collecting them. Only certain ones are going to the
alligator Alcatraz, which I know drive some people bonkers. But
they are finding people that you know, a lot of
them they were here illegally. But more than more troubling,
there's a criminal element, and it's it's you have a
let just think about this, Mike. There's a ten million,
almost eleven million in North Carolina, roughly the same number,
and you think about the number as a percentage of
the population. They're bad people in our own prisons and stuff,
and those that are in the system, those are just
they're here legally. Those are legal citizens in the system.
So in a pool of eleven million people, it's still
an unfat It's hard to picture, but there are really
that many bad guys, just as it's just in any
given population. Yeah, and so we've got a long way
to go. My question for you, Mike, is this okay, yeah.
Do you foresee, I don't think anything passes Congress unless
it's a bypart of an effort to move this process forward.
I think they've got to work together on this one.
There's no way that it's going to be a party
party issue. I mean, it can't be otherwise it won't
be acceptable.
Speaker 5: Oh, I agree with that, and I think that Frankly,
he get a lot of support the president. We get
a lot of support if he would just bring back
what was that he put his thumb on and squashed
last year. That bipartisan bill was ready to go, and
the only reason it did not pass was because Trump said,
I want that issue to run on and don't solve
the problem. Don't make big sacks on it was a
perfect bill. No, did they solve a lot of the problem,
not all of them, but many of the problems. You
better did so at least bring that back as a
starting place.
Speaker 2: See that's up to Congress now. But I would say this,
I disagree. I don't think having read that bill, I
don't think it was a good I think now with
the context of what has transpired and the movement that
we've made, it in the fact that the border is secure,
I think now's the time to bring a version of
that bill forward. But Congress must deal with this. They
didn't under Democrats, they didn't under Republicans. It must be done.
It's something that needs to be moved forward quickly. And
on that I think you and I would agree, all right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and want anything else? For me, I mean, I
think you probably agree on this too. Is for me,
it's not about being soft, it's about being smart. And
I said before, not mass deportation. I think a better
word would be methodical, be more deportation. And as I said,
it's not being soft, it's being smart and more than that.
For me, we've just finished the life for it. And
actually it was two hundred and forty nine years ago.
Today the Declarations of Independence has read the first time
in public in Philadelphia. So that's you're over the trivia.
But it's also that train stayed true to I think
American values. We're nations of laws, we're a nation of compassion,
and it's a nation that still can be the best
hope on earth for those yearning to be free. And
I just think we can do better. And that's what
I'm I'm hoping that rather than all the fear tactics
and the troops that have got you know, the invading
parks and home depots and things like that. Let's focus
on getting using intelligence, you know, and the focus to
get it down and mike that guys out and then
help help the other people who are productive to stay here.
Speaker 2: Mike. I appreciate your sentiments there. I think many of
them were heartfelt. I think if more Democrats felt that way,
we'd be moving that ball down the court. And I
think that you will be very silent. I appreciate the respect.
I gotta go. We're up against heartbreak.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna kick things straight over to our good listener
and faithful person, Craig. Welcome to the show. How are you.
Speaker 3: Hey, Good afternoon. So I've been hearing you know both
ways that illegal immigration is good for the economy or
and it's bad for the economy. But if I'm not mistaken,
if you're going to have and my belief is that
the majority of the illegal immigrants here remit most of
their earned income here back to wherever their home country is.
So if you're removing that money out of the American economy,
how is that really benefiting our economy? It seems that
the only person really benefiting is the employer, because the
employer's not going to give us any cheaper prices than
they have to. They're going to charge what the market
will bear, regardless of what their operating costs are. So
if they can save money, we're not going to see
it unless their competition starts to cut prices too. So
if they're taking money out of the economy, how are we,
the average American benefiting from this? How's our economy benefiting
from this?
Speaker 2: Craig, I think yours spot. I mean, according to you know,
as many statistics as you can roughly find, it's about
two hundred and seventy five billion dollars a year plus
that leave the country. What percentage that is from folks
who are not here legally, I don't know. I would
assume the longer you've been here, the more your income
stays here. Not only that, it's the infrastructure cost as well.
I mean some people would say, well, they pay taxes,
they pay some taxes here and stuff like that, eighty
nine billion in federal, state, and local taxes, But they
they also this overall number, and it's again it's unfathomably large.
These people also receive benefits. So if you were to
add the meta medicaid, if you were to add you know, snap.
If you were to add the nutritional supplements, if you
were to add all of these other infrastructure cost uh,
not to mention the medical costs and and and subsidies.
It it is. It is a net negative. That is
why it is somewhat of a boat and excuse me,
it is a boat anchorle society. I'm not gonna say
it's not. It's the American way of life. A lot
of people spend a lot of time, effort, energy to
come here legally to abide by the system. They spend
seven years of their life. They spend inexorable amount of money.
They it is a to be To want and become
a citizen is a lifetime achievement for many, and it
angers them as much as it angers anyone. Then eleven
million people come here not even caring about that reality.
Don't care. Now, that's one of the things that the
people who are mitigating it and and just soft on
them don't see, is that it is like moving to
the front of the line and walmart er anywhere. When
you see people breaking line in front of you. You
did it all, you did it legally, and people break
in front of you. That drives you bonkers and that's
one of the problems it needs. If there is any
kind of path, those people need to be at the
end of the line, not the front of the line.
We always reward people that want to be illegally become
citizens and be part of the process and contribute to it,
and that's what's critical. And Craig, I don't know if
you're still there or not, but I appreciate you being
part of the broadcast, right. Did that help it all?
Did we agree on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we do agree on that. It's just I
think when you also need some bigger we need to
make remittances to where they're not worth coming here to
remit money. I mean, you can come here and work
a minimum waste job and depending on where you come from,
your family can live like they're getting one hundred grand
a year.
Speaker 2: Sure, and there should be like a tariff on that
if you're remitting money through services. I'd hate to say
I'm in favor of a tax there. But you don't
get a free pass. I'm sorry. You know you get
if you want to contribute here, you want to invest here.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Trump even referred to a gold pass or something like
that for people who want to put five million dollars
in investment here. You know, that's what this America First
movement is about, is investing here in this country for
the benefit of this country and the people in it,
the citizens of this country, and to their benefit and
the life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, all of this. The Craig,
I appreciate the call man, thank you, and appreciate your listening.
So that's kind of what it's all about. And to
Mike's call over that, I think that's where that's where
Mike and I have a disconnect. He talks about smart immigration.
I don't disagree with the phraseology there. I think the
people want to do that, but it does not need
to diminish those who want to come here legally. And
that's the issue. These people did it from Mexico, from Canada,
from all the countries on the planet. I mean, there
was a swearing in ceremony in the south Ford twenty
eight different countries, fifty eight people, seven to ten years
of their life. Those folks, they're at the front of
the line, and they need to stay at the front
of the line. Those folks that are in that process,
and they look around and look, I have a dear
friend who owns a restaurant, and he is more anti
I legal immigration than I am. He's a legal immigrant.
He did it the right way. He goes home to
visit family and friends. He is here with his family legally.
They applied, they got in, They've gone through the process.
He's a citizen, and he is a citizen with more
knowledge about our constitution and our history than most of
the people that I run across to you run across
in the streets or just in public life. That's a
testament to their love of this nation. He also passed
to serve. I want if there's a way for you
to get in the system and volunteer or be a
part of the military, and you have an ALLEGI here.
The solution is not easy. I'm not glossing over the
enormity of eleven million. Logistically speaking, is it's an unfathomably
large number. And I don't know. I'm not pretending there's
a magic solution, but it's it is just moving everybody
to the front of the line. That's not acceptable. It's
not gonna happen. It's just not gonna happen. I mean,
that's kind of a full stop. As I was explaining yesterday,
it's the micro drop moment not gonna happen. How do
you deal with it? Uh, maybe there's a there's a
path somehow, but it's not to move in front of
the people who've done it in a legitimate fashion. It's
it's a way of everything is fully documented. You you're
for everything about you being here.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: The self deportation app allows you to deport yourself. Those people,
those people are saying I want to come back, and
they're providing a way to do that. They get in
that app, they give their information, they self deport It
gives them an opportunity to to come back to this country.
And I think it's over a million now. If we
had five million people that self deported, Yeah, those people
have an opportunity to come back legally. That's a really
good idea that doesn't really cost a whole lot. It's
actually beneficial to them, beneficial for the country, folks. It's
been an hout privilege. I will be back the next
couple of days through the end of the week. I
hope Pete's enjoying his time off. I will have Donald
Vandervar joining us tomorrow. He the former head of d EQ.
That's going to be an interesting TQ. I know that'll
do it for this episode. Thank you so much for
listening with.
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