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Speaker 3: Tonight.
Speaker 1: NBA playoffs continue tonight after a fun night last night
Speaker 1: both the Boston Celtics and the Golden State Warriors. We'll
Speaker 1: try to stave off elimination. It is staving season in
Speaker 1: pro basketball. The New York Knicks looking to advance, the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Timberwolves looking to advance. We'll get to some of
Speaker 1: that on the show today. Get you ready for the
Speaker 1: games tonight. Talk about what we saw last night where
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers are just red hot at the right
Speaker 1: time of year and for the eighth straight season, I
Speaker 1: think it's eight straight years. Donovan Mitchell will go home
Speaker 1: before the conference finals. Cleveland Cavaliers have some decisions to make.
Speaker 1: Donovan dropping f bombs during his postgame press conference.
Speaker 2: He will have none of.
Speaker 1: What you will write about the Cleveland Cavaliers. He has
Speaker 1: had enough back in the gym off season. Pacers are
Speaker 1: good and they're playing the right way at the right
Speaker 1: time of year. Let's not forget they were the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference files a year ago. Good game in Oklahoma City
Speaker 1: where the Denver Nuggets ran out of gas because they
Speaker 1: don't have a bench and their head coach, Coach Adelman,
Speaker 1: decided to ride with Nikola Jokic during the entire fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: and they just no legs at the end. They were
Speaker 1: outscored by the young upstart Thunder thirty four to nineteen
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter en route to a one to twelve,
Speaker 1: one O five win. Denver will return home to try
Speaker 1: to force a Game seven, so we'll get to some
Speaker 1: of it out on the show today. Interesting peace by
Speaker 1: Tim Bontemps front of the program about the lottery chaos
Speaker 1: and Jason Tatum's injury, which happened at essentially on the
Speaker 1: same night, not at the same time, but I called
Speaker 1: it one of the most consequential nights in the history
Speaker 1: of the NBA, and we could look back on it
Speaker 1: as far as what Boston will decide to do now,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to dismiss Boston altogether. Put some interesting
Speaker 1: comments about the lottery, namely about teams to tank last year,
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz and the Washington Wizards. According to Tim
Speaker 1: bontemp several executives around the league were happy the teams
Speaker 1: that spend the year trying to be at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft and lose games intentionally did not succeed
Speaker 1: in securing the top pick.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 2: Scout said quote.
Speaker 1: The good thing about lottery night is those teams a
Speaker 1: tank didn't get any help. Tank all you want, but
Speaker 1: it does not guarantee you anything. According to one NBA insider,
Speaker 1: could that color the conversation and context about what Utah
Speaker 1: Jazz will do next year to try to approach the
Speaker 1: season a little bit differently. We will get to that
Speaker 1: on the show today and the latest with the offseason stuff,
Speaker 1: the latest with the lottery. Couple of names available, maybe
Speaker 1: at five as the NBA combine rolls along, So a
Speaker 1: lot to do on the program. Our first guest today
Speaker 1: is going to be none other than Quentin or Richardson,
Speaker 1: who played in the NBA for a number of years
Speaker 1: with the New York Knicks and some other teams. Will
Speaker 1: preview tonight's playoff action with Q. Sarah Todd, who covers
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz for the Deseret News and was in
Speaker 1: Chicago for the lottery, may be still there for the
Speaker 1: NBA combine as well. Sarah's going to stop by today
Speaker 1: the Stanley Cup playoffs roll along. Utah Hockey Club will
Speaker 1: be fortunate to draft number four in the lottery. Neil
Speaker 1: Smith joins us for his weekly hit to talk a
Speaker 1: little hockey, and then we'll do some college football and
Speaker 1: whatever else comes our way with Chris Camaraddi Live in
Speaker 1: studio weekly Guest of Ours is going to join us
Speaker 1: today on a Wednesday afternoon, So Quentin Richardson, Sarah Todd,
Speaker 1: Neil Smith, Chris Comaradnie Me Spence checking to all of you,
Speaker 1: the great listeners. That guy Porter Larson on a night
Speaker 1: where his New York Knicks might advance to the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference Finals.
Speaker 2: Do you think they get it done tonight?
Speaker 4: I think they do. Man, maybe that's you know, it
Speaker 4: is wishful thinking. As a Knicks fan, I feel like
Speaker 4: that's always kind of the case. But man, without Jason
Speaker 4: Tatum and with the way the Knicks have won some
Speaker 4: of these games, I think they have a real opportunity
Speaker 4: to close it out. I think it's it's been kind
Speaker 4: of deflating way for the Celtics to go down. That
Speaker 4: being said, this is a team that has won a
Speaker 4: title very recently. If you remember, They're not gonna go
Speaker 4: down without a fight. It's not going to be a blowout.
Speaker 4: I think if New York wins, they're gonna have to
Speaker 4: really grit it out or gonna have to go back
Speaker 4: home and make it happen in MSG.
Speaker 1: So Boston is a favorite tonight at home, despite Jason
Speaker 1: Tatum of course being out not just for tonight but
Speaker 1: for like an entire year.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens tonight. NBA Playoffs, the action.
Speaker 1: Has been really, really fun, and we'll break it down
Speaker 1: the Quentin Richardson.
Speaker 2: If you're an NBA fan, you know who Q is.
Speaker 2: But before we get to.
Speaker 1: Quentin Richardson on a Wednesday afternoon, then we're gonna bring
Speaker 1: in Sarah Todd, Neil Smith, Chris Camraaddi as well Dark.
Speaker 2: Derek Henry gets a two year extension.
Speaker 1: Uh so, our our computer is a little jacked up,
Speaker 1: all right. Before you get to QUEU on a Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: your game all season long. All right, I'm going heavy
Speaker 1: on Boston tonight. I'm going more on Derek White eighteen
Speaker 1: point five points. I'm going more on Jalen Brown, twenty
Speaker 1: six points. Give me more on Jalen twenty seven point
Speaker 1: five points. I will take less on Cat nineteen point
Speaker 1: five points, and I'll take less on Porzingis fourteen point
Speaker 1: five points. As the Knicks and the Celtics will do
Speaker 1: battle tonight for the right. Well, if the Knicks win,
Speaker 1: it's the right to go to the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 2: Boston just trying to extend their series.
Speaker 1: So a couple of minutes here and then we'll take
Speaker 1: a break and bring in Quentin Richardson. Of course, the
Speaker 1: market is still reeling from what happened well almost forty
Speaker 1: eight hours ago, as the Utah Jazz, they were the
Speaker 1: worst team in the NBA this year, had the worst
Speaker 1: record in the NBA this year, as it was that
Speaker 1: guaranteed them top five pick and nothing more. Fourteen percent
Speaker 1: chance to grab number one, a forty eight percent chance
Speaker 1: to land at five, and obviously the percentages manifested the results,
Speaker 1: they were the most likely to end up at five.
Speaker 2: And that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Doesn't change the frustration, doesn't change the hope and the
Speaker 1: you know, as we talk about it is the hope
Speaker 1: that kills you, right, It's all about your expectations, So
Speaker 1: how could this potentially change the approach of what the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz will try to do next year. So the
Speaker 1: difficulty in analyzing the Jazz in the interim like right
Speaker 1: now immediately is, if we're honest, they just don't have
Speaker 1: enough to be very competitive in the West. So if
Speaker 1: they decide to scrap the whole, okay, we are just
Speaker 1: not going to take the endeavor.
Speaker 3: Seriously.
Speaker 1: We're going to fake injuries for our players as they
Speaker 1: did all year, and then the league will find us
Speaker 1: and then we'll just have our seven foot take a
Speaker 1: bunch of threes from the outside so intentionally sabotage games.
Speaker 1: And that's what they did. No matter the spin anybody
Speaker 1: wants to put on it, that is precisely what they did.
Speaker 1: So organizations, when they decide that the best route for
Speaker 1: them is to lose intentionally, we'll say things like it's
Speaker 1: time for us to develop our young players, and we're
Speaker 1: going to lean in on player development. Justin Zenik, during
Speaker 1: his postseason media availability, came as close as anybody all
Speaker 1: year long to admitting that they lost on purpose. What
Speaker 1: Adam Silver and the NBA tried to do in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen is dissuade teams from having a lack of integrity
Speaker 1: with their approach of building a professional team. Players and
Speaker 1: coaches are bred to be competitors, and certainly at this level,
Speaker 1: when you're able to evolve all the way to the
Speaker 1: top of an endeavor like this, you have to be
Speaker 1: a pitbull competitor. You cannot be okay with half measures.
Speaker 1: You cannot be okay with being asked to not give
Speaker 1: your best. It also set a really, really dangerous precedent
Speaker 1: for the way that your young players will continue to
Speaker 1: handle themselves throughout their career moving forward. And it's why
Speaker 1: the previous iteration, as the Millers were, the owners never
Speaker 1: went all in on simply sabotaging a season. Now, there
Speaker 1: were some seasons they just didn't have a great roster.
Speaker 1: You know that team with Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap
Speaker 1: they actually did advance to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: They had smoked by the Spurs.
Speaker 1: They were never going anywhere, but they weren't trying to lose.
Speaker 1: And reference the Tim Bontemps piece a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people across the landscape
Speaker 1: of the NBA that do not like it when teams
Speaker 1: are intentional about their desire to simply lose, and are
Speaker 1: not honest about their efforts to compete. And so here's
Speaker 1: what Tim Bontemps wrote earlier today about a seismic shift
Speaker 1: in the landscape or pro basketball two nights ago, specifically
Speaker 1: about what happened with the lot so quote and let's see,
Speaker 1: we'll start here. We will start here where they get
Speaker 1: into the Utah Jazz. So there were some league insiders
Speaker 1: who are happy that the teams who spent the year
Speaker 1: trying to tank and trying to be at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft, namely the Utah Jazz and the Washington Wizards,
Speaker 1: didn't succeed in securing the top pick.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: The good thing about lottery night is those teams didn't
Speaker 1: get help. Tank all you want, but it doesn't guarantee
Speaker 1: you anything. One executive suggested the ESPN that if the
Speaker 1: league wanted to eliminate tanking, it should eliminate the draft
Speaker 1: entirely and instead let teams create salary cap space to
Speaker 1: sign rookies to deals. But even that executive said there
Speaker 1: wasn't a realistic chance of that ever happening for plenty
Speaker 1: of reasons, including future draft picks being valuable trade currency.
Speaker 2: So the hot.
Speaker 1: Takes fly every year after the lottery, namely from fan
Speaker 1: bases that are frustrated that the anemic seasons they've been
Speaker 1: asked to suffer through did not pay out for anything special.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't mean that this is forever with the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz, but it means it's for right now. They're
Speaker 1: really if we're realistic, they'll get a good they'll get
Speaker 1: a good player at five. Like this draft is deep
Speaker 1: enough that they'll get a good player at five. But
Speaker 1: if you read a lot of the scouts and a
Speaker 1: lot of the prognostications, most people believe that if you
Speaker 1: wanted a franchise changing piece, you needed a top four pick,
Speaker 1: and even if we're more reductive at top two pick.
Speaker 2: Right, But it's not the reality.
Speaker 1: So there's no use belly aching about it and talking
Speaker 1: about it all off season long.
Speaker 2: They'll grab a good player at five.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about some of the options throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the show today and throughout the course of the
Speaker 1: next you know, five six weeks before the draft on
Speaker 1: June the twenty fifth, they.
Speaker 2: Do have cap space.
Speaker 1: So after teams have made decisions to jettison off some
Speaker 1: of their veteran you veteran pieces, and I'll give you
Speaker 1: just a few teams as an example.
Speaker 2: The Phoenix Suns certainly are they're gonna have to do
Speaker 2: something now.
Speaker 1: As we've talked about throughout the course of this week,
Speaker 1: the problematic element of discussing whether or not the Jazz
Speaker 1: could go try to get Durant or Giannis or Jalen
Speaker 1: if Boston decides to jettison their talent. Bobby Marx came
Speaker 1: out with his calculations Boston will have a luxury tax
Speaker 1: bill of five hundred million dollars if they don't do
Speaker 1: something next year. That's the highest luxury tax bill in
Speaker 1: the history of pro basketball. It's a new ownership group.
Speaker 1: They just paid six billion dollars for the Boston Celtics,
Speaker 1: and if the Celtics losing the second round, my guess
Speaker 1: is the new huntership group does not want to spend
Speaker 1: five hundred million just for the right to have a
Speaker 1: team that couldn't get out of the second round. So
Speaker 1: Boston with Jalen Brown, Houston with Kevin Durant, and obviously
Speaker 1: there's the Jana stuff as well. The issue is the
Speaker 1: Jazz cannot compete with packages put together by teams like
Speaker 1: Houston and San Antonio and Oklahoma City, where the teams
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear talked about as far as grabbing some
Speaker 1: of those stars. So we'll see what the Jazz elected
Speaker 1: to do as far as talent addition during this offseason.
Speaker 1: But even if they don't do anything outside of adding
Speaker 1: the number five pick and maybe the number twenty one
Speaker 1: pick and maybe they grab a second round or they like,
Speaker 1: my guess is this upcoming season will contain a lot
Speaker 1: of losing, but you'll see more of lowry marketing, You'll
Speaker 1: see more of John Collins, You'll see more of Walker Kestler.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna see a lot of faking
Speaker 1: of the injuries anymore. I think they're actually gonna try
Speaker 1: to have some integrity about this endeavor and put their
Speaker 1: best foot forward. And I think as the fan base,
Speaker 1: that's something you should look forward to. Boston Celtics, Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors trying to stave off elimination. Tonight, we'll see
Speaker 1: if the New York Knicks can advance to their first
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals since two thousand and of course, Minnesota
Speaker 1: trying to get it done as well. Our next guest
Speaker 1: played pro basketball for a number of years for a
Speaker 1: number of teams, including said New York Knicks. It's a
Speaker 1: pleasure to welcome in Quentin Richardson to the program on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday afternoon. Q. Happy Wednesday, man, how are
Speaker 1: we doing.
Speaker 6: I'm good, I'm good. Appreciate that having.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. So do you think the New
Speaker 1: York Knicks get it done tonight? Boston eight and two
Speaker 1: without tape him this year, they're a four point five
Speaker 1: point favorite of home. Q. How do you think it
Speaker 1: goes down in Boston tonight.
Speaker 6: I'm skeptical right now, man, because on the one hand,
Speaker 6: I do think that the Knicks have the advantage. They
Speaker 6: got the momentum right now, and they they've already won
Speaker 6: two games on their home court in this series, so
Speaker 6: they should, with all intents and purposes, be able to
Speaker 6: get the job done. But I just hesitate a little
Speaker 6: bit because the Celtics our champions, they do have pride.
Speaker 6: I don't think they want to go out in that fashion.
Speaker 6: Just saying, you know, every all of the rest of
Speaker 6: those guys individually, they don't want to feel like the
Speaker 6: Once Tatum went down there was just all over for them.
Speaker 6: So I'm sure they're gonna put their best so forward
Speaker 6: and come out with a with a with a championship
Speaker 6: type effort for the night. But I think as long
Speaker 6: as as long as New York stays off, you know,
Speaker 6: letting it become a big lead and having to fight
Speaker 6: back from that, you know, and they get brusting into
Speaker 6: into crunch time, I think he can get us to
Speaker 6: eat and get it done.
Speaker 1: Gill is somebody who played in the league for a
Speaker 1: number of years. All kind of concede to your opinion here,
Speaker 1: and I understand that the system is the system them
Speaker 1: in Boston, the five out spacing, We're gonna shoot a
Speaker 1: lot of threes. But when the threes aren't falling and
Speaker 1: you have like a fourteen to twenty point lead, why
Speaker 1: don't you adjust a little bit?
Speaker 2: Like Look, I am all in on New York.
Speaker 1: I want to see the Knicks do it, but I'm
Speaker 1: kind of stunned that Joe Missoula and the Celtics haven't
Speaker 1: made more adjustments.
Speaker 2: Kind of help me understand this, Roiyah, I.
Speaker 6: Mean, I mean when teams come into it, you know,
Speaker 6: once you get to this point in the season, you
Speaker 6: are who you are, you play the way you play,
Speaker 6: But I do agree regardless of that, regardless if you
Speaker 6: got the person there that they have, you have Jason
Speaker 6: Tatum and Jaylen Brown those first two games, it should
Speaker 6: have never gone down that way with them guys just
Speaker 6: continuing the fire fire, fire away. When you got guys
Speaker 6: that are that good at driving the ball and drawing
Speaker 6: files and getting in the pain and making different things
Speaker 6: happening for them, not to not do that either of
Speaker 6: those games, and watching the twenty point league collapse that
Speaker 6: I felt like it should have been some type of change,
Speaker 6: even if that is your philosophy, at some point, you know,
Speaker 6: you got to try to do something else, not to
Speaker 6: say you completely a band in the three which you
Speaker 6: got to try and mix something else in there, try
Speaker 6: something else as well.
Speaker 1: Tell me what stands out most to you about the
Speaker 1: evolution of Jalen Brunson.
Speaker 2: I mean, we saw him.
Speaker 1: We're in Salt Lake City and the final playoff series
Speaker 1: that the Jazz had with Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 1: was against the Dallas Mavericks and Luca got hurt and
Speaker 1: Jalen was the primary offense initiator, and so we saw
Speaker 1: what he could do out here, at least in a
Speaker 1: truncated space. But a lot of people thought the Knicks
Speaker 1: were taking a big gamble on a guard that doesn't
Speaker 1: have great size, and that's not necessarily a modern day
Speaker 1: NBA approach. What stands out most about how good he's
Speaker 1: been Q in New York.
Speaker 6: I think that for me, it's the mental aspect of it.
Speaker 6: You know that his mental makeup. I think that's a
Speaker 6: big part of what makes him as good as he is.
Speaker 6: I mean the player, he's unbelievable to be able to
Speaker 6: do the things he does in his size and without
Speaker 6: as much athleticism that he has. I mean, he's unbelievable
Speaker 6: with shooting the ball, and you could tell everything is
Speaker 6: rep petition. Like people ask where this confidence come from.
Speaker 6: It comes from him getting in the gym and doing
Speaker 6: things so many times that he expects it to work.
Speaker 6: And I mean the other part of that man to
Speaker 6: play in New York and to high the type of
Speaker 6: mental makeup he has. It's a perfect marriage because he
Speaker 6: doesn't get too high or too low with anything. And
Speaker 6: I don't think he pays attention to a lot of
Speaker 6: the noise, and there's not a lot of people that
Speaker 6: could do that. People say, yeah, I don't care. I
Speaker 6: don't listen to what nobody say. Oh, I don't read anything.
Speaker 6: I don't look at anything, but they do. And I
Speaker 6: think either whether he does look at it or not,
Speaker 6: I don't think it has an effect on him because
Speaker 6: he doesn't put a whole lot of stock into it,
Speaker 6: either way up or down.
Speaker 2: If somebody you played in that city.
Speaker 1: What will the reaction be of Knick fans in New
Speaker 1: York if the Knicks can get it done at advance
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 6: Oh man, I can't. I can't tell you how much
Speaker 6: pandemonium there will be, because I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 6: the Knicks fans, I think in championship, and I mean rightfully, so,
Speaker 6: they absolutely have a crazy good opportunity to win the
Speaker 6: championship in the first one that thays ever they ever
Speaker 6: had a chance in a long time. So I mean,
Speaker 6: they got it. They got a right to be, you know,
Speaker 6: to be excited and things like that. But I would
Speaker 6: be very cautious and respectful before I start saying, we
Speaker 6: get in to the finals, you still got to eliminate Boston.
Speaker 6: You still gotta watch the Pacers. The Pacers are not
Speaker 6: gonna be an easy series. In my opinion, I do
Speaker 6: think the Kniggs can beat them, but it won't be
Speaker 6: easy at all.
Speaker 3: I don't think, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: I mean Rick Carlisle of course, is a championship coach,
Speaker 1: and they've got They've got a bunch you know, and
Speaker 1: Q you know this. I mean, they have a bunch
Speaker 1: of just dogs pitfalls on the perimeter.
Speaker 2: I mean, guys that can really guard.
Speaker 1: And we had Donovan Mitchell out here for five years
Speaker 1: before he was traded to Cleveland, and we all kind
Speaker 1: of pulled for Donovan want to see him do well.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you what stands out most about
Speaker 1: just how Indiana is playing the right way at the
Speaker 1: right time of year.
Speaker 6: I mean, it has a lot to do with you said, man,
Speaker 6: they got a really good team. They got a deep team,
Speaker 6: they got a lot of guys that they can shuffle in.
Speaker 6: They go about nine to ten beat and that's a
Speaker 6: big deal when you look at the New York teams
Speaker 6: that only go sick seven eight deep. So I mean,
Speaker 6: when you think about that, Indiana, they play at at
Speaker 6: a fast paced you know what I'm saying, tyree Llyburn
Speaker 6: getting guys the ball, guys are running and then like
Speaker 6: you say, they got the intangibles. Man, they got a
Speaker 6: mouse turner who doesn't get enough credit. I feel like
Speaker 6: he's one of the few big men that really impact
Speaker 6: shots at the rim and that paint protection. He impacts
Speaker 6: it at a high, high level, but also goes out
Speaker 6: there and shoots three. It's like a like a you
Speaker 6: don't really get that a lot from guys that are
Speaker 6: shot blockers that can shoot at the high cliff that
Speaker 6: he can and the mid post and everything else. I
Speaker 6: like top to bottom man they got, they got a
Speaker 6: deep roster and them hard mattern. They come off the
Speaker 6: Smith off the Bennee Smith is a is an absolute
Speaker 6: dog on defense. I don't know if everybody, if a
Speaker 6: lot of people have paid close attention, because it hasn't
Speaker 6: gotten like the whole ride rod to it. But if
Speaker 6: you just take a couple of possessions and you just
Speaker 6: watch him, just follow him. He is all over his man.
Speaker 6: He is getting over screens, through screens, around screens. He's
Speaker 6: getting up to people when they get the ball. He's
Speaker 6: pressuring the ball up the court. He is He's tremendous
Speaker 6: on defense. I'm a big fan of Aaron E. Smith
Speaker 6: on defense.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about Donovan who I think it's
Speaker 1: now eight straight years that he's not been able to
Speaker 1: get out of the second round.
Speaker 2: And look, it's obviously a team sport. It's not all
Speaker 2: on him.
Speaker 1: And I've seen Donovan Mitchell have individual playoffs scoring nights
Speaker 1: that is very rarefied air. Do you think he is
Speaker 1: a number one Q on a team that can win
Speaker 1: a championship?
Speaker 6: I do. I do think he can be a number one,
Speaker 6: but it has to be the right right team. He
Speaker 6: has had the right type of support. So I mean
Speaker 6: that's like you said, the years that he has in advance,
Speaker 6: you can go through the numbers.
Speaker 7: I can't.
Speaker 6: We can't just you know, put it on him like yeah,
Speaker 6: he if you want to consider him the best guy
Speaker 6: to lead on the team, and falls on him from
Speaker 6: that respect. But I mean he's put in major work,
Speaker 6: like you said rarefied here with some of the numbers
Speaker 6: he's been putting up in these losses and things like that,
Speaker 6: and then every every instance you can point to someone
Speaker 6: else there that could have done more, been more that
Speaker 6: were expected of for more and for him.
Speaker 1: Now there are some rumblings the stuff is going to
Speaker 1: try to go tonight.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that's gonna look like.
Speaker 1: Do you give the Warriors any shot of at least
Speaker 1: getting this thing back to San Francisco?
Speaker 6: I give everybody a shot, man could just because I
Speaker 6: know the pride of an actual of us as athletes,
Speaker 6: Like you know what I'm saying. It's one game. We
Speaker 6: just got to turn up one time and worried about
Speaker 6: everything else after that. So they definitely, I mean, they
Speaker 6: got they got. Even if step doesn't play, I still
Speaker 6: give them an outside shot. I mean, I'm not gonna
Speaker 6: be surprised at Minnesota go ahead and close it down
Speaker 6: and handle their business. But I'm not gonna say that
Speaker 6: I don't give the Warriors a shot. I know, I
Speaker 6: know what Jimmy has in him. Draymond is a champion.
Speaker 6: Some of those other guys, these are pros. Man, we
Speaker 6: got pride, and they not just gonna lay down.
Speaker 1: So Coach Athaman elected to leave Nikola Yokachen every minute
Speaker 1: and the fourth Jamal Murray too, And I understand why
Speaker 1: Denver's not as deep as Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2: But of course the Nugets just ran out of gas.
Speaker 1: So now we go back to Denver to see if
Speaker 1: Denver can get this thing back to game seven. I
Speaker 1: know you say you give everybody a chance, and certainly
Speaker 1: nobody would bet against nicolea Jokic, But what do you
Speaker 1: make of what we've seen so far with Denver and
Speaker 1: OKC and how do you think it plays out?
Speaker 6: I had Okay see winning this series. I would say
Speaker 6: that I'm surprised because of the coaching aspect, because I
Speaker 6: don't expect the team that fires their coach three games
Speaker 6: before the rec before the playoffs, I didn't expect them
Speaker 6: to have any type of run I thought they might
Speaker 6: have got. I wouldn't have been surprised they got eliminated
Speaker 6: in the first round because of that. But I mean,
Speaker 6: when you like I said, that's as players we got
Speaker 6: Pride man, they got they got Joker, who could be
Speaker 6: possibly the you know, arguably the best player on the
Speaker 6: planet right now. And Aaron Gordon has played out of
Speaker 6: his mind this postseason. He's been I mean all season,
Speaker 6: but particularly just this postseason with the game winners and
Speaker 6: the time, the baskets and things he's been able to
Speaker 6: do for them. And Jamal Murray has had the superstar
Speaker 6: Jamal Murray has showed us so right now, anything could go.
Speaker 6: I still don't consider it. This is a four long
Speaker 6: conclusion for OKFE. They definitely had to take this as
Speaker 6: a as a and come in with a sense of
Speaker 6: urgency and not not allow them to get the crowd
Speaker 6: going and get get into this game because Denver is
Speaker 6: not gonna lay down. This is gonna be a dogfight.
Speaker 2: I feel like, Hugh, I know you're doing the media
Speaker 2: thing now, and I know.
Speaker 1: You played for a handful of different teams. Do you
Speaker 1: have a rooting interest in any of the teams left?
Speaker 1: Is there a team you'd like to see goin the thing?
Speaker 6: Oh? Not particularly, man, I just I just really want
Speaker 6: to see, you know, good good basketball, good series, hard
Speaker 6: falk games, teams you know, turn injuries off. I hate
Speaker 6: what happened to Tatum and anybody else that got injured.
Speaker 6: I want to see guys get teams, get to go
Speaker 6: away with their full compliment and just see who the
Speaker 6: best team is. Man, you know I got I got
Speaker 6: a lot of different ties to different ball clubs and
Speaker 6: stuff like that. The New York Knicks. I'm once the Knick,
Speaker 6: always a Knicks, So I definitely would be excited if
Speaker 6: they were able to win the championship, because I know
Speaker 6: what that would mean to that, to that fan base,
Speaker 6: to the to the franchise, to the folks that work
Speaker 6: in them builders that's been working at follow years and
Speaker 6: they've got to go through the you know, ups and
Speaker 6: downs and things like that. So I know what it
Speaker 6: would mean from that standpoint, from being there for a
Speaker 6: period of time and seeing how you know, on on
Speaker 6: hands on the ground and seeing how how impactful the
Speaker 6: Knicks are to that city. I mean, I've seen the
Speaker 6: Giants win, the Yankees win, but everybody still talks about
Speaker 6: how how they waiting to see when the Knicks win,
Speaker 6: how it's gonna be. And I would love to see
Speaker 6: it last.
Speaker 2: Thank you all say you loose on this, I know
Speaker 2: you got to run.
Speaker 1: But reports are that Yannis is now open to being
Speaker 1: traded from Milwaukee. Uh is there a team that you
Speaker 1: like as far as the fit goes, you think, should
Speaker 1: you know, should trade for Giannis and Antonio.
Speaker 6: I would love to see the yin and Yang to
Speaker 6: his powerful dominance, playing alongside the unicorn or the alien
Speaker 6: that that that win Ba yama Is. I think they
Speaker 6: got enough assets and everything with the draft picks. They
Speaker 6: just got in some of the young players. They can
Speaker 6: move and and things like that. With the contracts and stuff,
Speaker 6: I think they can make it happen.
Speaker 1: Oh, Q, thanks for the time. Enjoy the game tonight.
Speaker 1: Would love dave you back on soon.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, man, all right.
Speaker 1: Quentin Richardson he played in the NBA for twelve years.
Speaker 1: UH played for the Clips, the Suns, the Knicks, the
Speaker 1: Heat and the Magic. Then actually resigned with the Knicks
Speaker 1: to retire. UH played only a game for them. Was
Speaker 1: a really really good shooter, good two way player, kind
Speaker 1: of a three and D guy before.
Speaker 2: That kind of became in vogue.
Speaker 1: I's got a podcast called Knuckleheads? Is that with Us
Speaker 1: Smiles Darius Miles?
Speaker 2: Because they both were the knuckleheads?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah.
Speaker 1: You can look on YouTube right right now to watch
Speaker 1: me do the knuckleheads. Can people see me doing this?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, this is cute right now. That's what they used
Speaker 2: to do. WASQ part of the Nick teams.
Speaker 1: That you kind of fell in love with when you
Speaker 1: were early on in your basketball fandom?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So I I actually he was. He was part of
Speaker 4: the Knicks teams early, right, and you man, I don't
Speaker 4: think there was a check.
Speaker 3: It's overlap. It was four or five.
Speaker 4: Maybe, no, there was not, right, So it was it
Speaker 4: was kind of some of those late nineties Knicks players
Speaker 4: were still hanging around a few of them, and Q
Speaker 4: was on those teams. I really really liked his game.
Speaker 4: It just it was a little before the game became
Speaker 4: what it is today. Which, man, you would love to
Speaker 4: have a Quent Richardson from two thousand and five, two
Speaker 4: thousand and six in a NBA roster today. And then yeah,
Speaker 4: he signed with Mellow's playoff run Nicks, right, the team
Speaker 4: that ended up going and beating the Celtics in Round one,
Speaker 4: beating Kevin Durant and Paul Pearson in that team. Quint
Speaker 4: was on that roster, So yeah, he was. He was
Speaker 4: a guy I liked a lot and then has been
Speaker 4: good to me in the media's versions he joined.
Speaker 3: So he's a friend of the show.
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, McDonald's all American, and I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: he was really good.
Speaker 2: But I thought I thought Darius Miles was going to
Speaker 2: be like a ten time All Star.
Speaker 3: Right, he's an He's another one that's like.
Speaker 4: That type of explosiveness, that type of athleticism, the length
Speaker 4: for sure. It pops on a college floor so much.
Speaker 4: And then you know, or even the high school stuff
Speaker 4: right with you look at like stroll Miles Swift, I
Speaker 4: think the same thing. Guys that showed that type of
Speaker 4: domination at the previous levels, and that the NBA almost
Speaker 4: everyone's like kind of like that or they're seven feet tall,
Speaker 4: so it evens the plane for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darius was six'.
Speaker 1: Nine he committed to play At Saint, john's then decommitted
Speaker 1: when he realized he was going to be a top.
Speaker 1: Pick he was a number three pick overall and never
Speaker 1: fully developed the way that we thought that he. Would
Speaker 1: he played in THE nba for nine, years bounced around
Speaker 1: a little. Bit his best years were actually In, portland
Speaker 1: not with The. Clippers spent a couple of years In
Speaker 1: cleveland as. Well but, yeah interesting stuff. There so a
Speaker 1: couple of a couple of interesting. Games, tonight it looks
Speaker 1: like the reports are that they're going to maybe attempt
Speaker 1: to Give Stephen curry some and it's.
Speaker 2: TONIGHT i don't know how that's going to. GO i,
Speaker 2: mean hamstrings are.
Speaker 1: So, tricky but it's do or, die and of Course
Speaker 1: steph will give it his all that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: tough place to.
Speaker 2: Play The Target center In.
Speaker 1: Minneapolis when The timberwolves are, good it's very much like
Speaker 1: The Delta center when The jazz are, good, loud the
Speaker 1: fans are right on top of, you and it just
Speaker 1: feels the feels like The timberwolves kind of have The warriors.
Speaker 1: NUMBER i don't fully understand Why Jimmy butler hasn't looked
Speaker 1: as engaged AS i thought that he. WOULD i, mean
Speaker 1: this was a guy that like single handedly took The
Speaker 1: heats to the finals just a few years, ago and
Speaker 1: With stefan, OUT i thought we would see more of
Speaker 1: The butler show than we've, seen and he's been just
Speaker 1: a little bit hesitant in you, know is this kind
Speaker 1: of the Moment Anthony, edwards who already has a tremendous
Speaker 1: playoff pedigree even as a young, player even takes that
Speaker 1: proverbial next. Step it feels like we're high speed ahead To,
Speaker 1: minnesota And, okay.
Speaker 2: See i'm not ready to Bury denver just.
Speaker 1: Yet denver just has so many depth issues AND i
Speaker 1: understand Why Coach adaman last night went With jokic And
Speaker 1: murray And.
Speaker 2: Gordon and the entire group in the fourth, quarter the
Speaker 2: entire fourth. Quarter the bio.
Speaker 1: Rhythms with that team is Typically jokic takes about the
Speaker 1: first three or four minutes off of the fourth to
Speaker 1: kind of get him to finish, it and then usually
Speaker 1: they'll Bring jokic back in and sit them all for.
Speaker 2: A little, bit but all hands on.
Speaker 1: Deck they had like a fourteen point lead in the
Speaker 1: fourth and then if you were, watching every one of
Speaker 1: their three point shots were.
Speaker 2: SHORT i mean the legs were.
Speaker 1: Gone and the problem Is Oklahoma city has a team
Speaker 1: Where Mark dagnoll can go like twelve deep if he,
Speaker 1: wants and they're all. YOUNG i, mean off the top
Speaker 1: of my, HEAD i think the oldest player might Be Alex,
Speaker 1: caruso AND i Think alex is still in his. TWENTIES i,
Speaker 1: mean that's Where denver's running into. Issues they're so top
Speaker 1: heavy and they're just a little bit. Older they don't
Speaker 1: have the ability to supplement the Non jokic or Non
Speaker 1: murray minutes the way THAT okc can even do with
Speaker 1: the Non sga minutes because they can Have Jalen williams
Speaker 1: be their primary ball. Handler So warriors T wolves Tonight
Speaker 1: Target center In, minneapolis and then for the first time
Speaker 1: since two thousand against The Indiana. Pacers ironically, enough The
Speaker 1: New York knicks will attempt to make The Eastern Conference.
Speaker 1: Finals The Boston celtics are a favorite at. Home they
Speaker 1: are a four point five point favorite at last, check
Speaker 1: even Without Jason.
Speaker 2: TATUM Td garden's going to be.
Speaker 1: Crazy you, Know Bill simmons as the whole Like Patrick
Speaker 1: ewing theory which is based off Those knicks in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine when they went to the finals With ewing
Speaker 1: on the, sideline and his whole theory is, that you,
Speaker 1: know all of these guys are really good players in pro,
Speaker 1: basketball and when the best player on your, team AND
Speaker 1: i do Think Jason tatum is the best player on
Speaker 1: The celtics to respect To Jaylen, brown who was The
Speaker 1: FINALS mvp a year, ago there's like this collective effort
Speaker 1: that kind of comes to the, forefront And boston has
Speaker 1: plenty left even Without Jason. Tatum eight and two Without
Speaker 1: tatum this, year of, course it sucks to have an
Speaker 1: injury adversely affect. You so those are the two games
Speaker 1: tonight with The knicks and The celtics and then The
Speaker 1: warriors and The.
Speaker 2: TIMBERWOLVES tnt will have that for. You the pacer stuff
Speaker 2: is really.
Speaker 1: Interesting And Rick carlyle himself, postgame Both Rick carlile actually
Speaker 1: And Kenny atkinson last. Night So Kenny Atkinson coach of
Speaker 1: The Year Cleveland. Cavaliers they get rid OF. Jb, bickerstaff
Speaker 1: he goes To, Detroit kenny came, in did a really
Speaker 1: good job With, cleveland And kenny admitted last night like
Speaker 1: they're just playing at a level that we're not out right.
Speaker 2: Now and when you.
Speaker 1: Look At Rick, carlyle What Rick carlile has, done Inserting
Speaker 1: Andrew nemhart into the starting lineup And Aaron nesmith who
Speaker 1: was injured for a, while Alongside Pascal siakam who's been
Speaker 1: An All, star And Miles turner who's like Mister pacer
Speaker 1: for ten. Years he's been a steady big for. Them
Speaker 1: and then obviously their lynchpin Is Tyree. Saliburton but they
Speaker 1: also can go nine deep With Obi, TOPPIN. Tj, McConnell
Speaker 1: Benedict matherin who wants to fight, everybody And Ben shepherd's
Speaker 1: a good. Player they've got four or five wings that
Speaker 1: will cause The knicks a lot of. Problems if The
Speaker 1: knicks can get past The celtics. Tonight but that is
Speaker 1: the perfect example of a team that kind of slow
Speaker 1: played it and then just figured it out comes spring
Speaker 1: and they are simply playing the right way at the
Speaker 1: right time of. Year and interested to HEAR q talk
Speaker 1: About Donovan mitchell as the number one option for a championship,
Speaker 1: TEAM i.
Speaker 2: DON'T i honestly don't really.
Speaker 1: Know And i'm conflicted here Because i've Seen donovan have
Speaker 1: individual scoring outbursts in playoff games that put him alongside
Speaker 1: the elite names in the history of this, game Including Michael,
Speaker 1: jordan Including Alan, iverson some of the great postseason scorers we've.
Speaker 1: Seen donovan has numbers to match. Them but there's just
Speaker 1: something that happens down the stretch where he cowers away from.
Speaker 1: Physicality so you hear this thing about him where he
Speaker 1: understands the moment and he steps up when the moment
Speaker 1: is the, biggest AND i would actually counter that he
Speaker 1: steps up until the moment is absolutely as big as
Speaker 1: the moment can, get if that makes. Sense and it
Speaker 1: sounds like a, criticism and in a, way maybe it,
Speaker 1: is But i'm not trying to be. CRITICAL i just don't,
Speaker 1: know BECAUSE i saw it here over and over and
Speaker 1: over where he'd have these games where he'd dropped like
Speaker 1: forty or sometimes even half a, hundred and then you
Speaker 1: look at the box, score, like you can't be critical
Speaker 1: About donovan because he had. Forty but what you don't
Speaker 1: see are weird turnovers down the stretch or simply cowering
Speaker 1: away From Benedict matherin or Aaron Ne smith and not
Speaker 1: responding to physicality in big playoff moments the way superstars
Speaker 1: have to. Respond If i've said it, Once i've said
Speaker 1: it a thousand, times And i'll say it. Again my
Speaker 1: biggest thing about are you a legitimate.
Speaker 3: Superstar in pro?
Speaker 1: Basketball is you get it done in the playoffs on
Speaker 1: the road when the moments are at their, biggest and
Speaker 1: when the moments have been as big as they can.
Speaker 1: Get donovan just hasn't met them. Yet twenty, seven twenty
Speaker 1: eight years. OLD i think he's twenty eight years. Old
Speaker 1: so he is smack dab in the middle of his.
Speaker 1: Prime and my guess Is cleveland does run it. Back
Speaker 1: they have all of their big four under, Contract Evan,
Speaker 1: Mo Jared, Allen Darius, Garland, Donovan, Mitchell DeAndre, hunter who
Speaker 1: they acquired in a trade With atlanta provided some. Punch
Speaker 1: isaaccorro is a good perimeter defensive. Player Ti jerome had
Speaker 1: a solid. Year so what do you do with The Max,
Speaker 1: struce's The dean, wades The Ti jerome's like the decisions
Speaker 1: you have to.
Speaker 2: Make another team to look at.
Speaker 1: As it pertains to whether or not the front office
Speaker 1: is making a different calculation because of another playoff.
Speaker 2: Failure but we'll. See only time will.
Speaker 1: Tell uh it felt bad For, donovan but he did
Speaker 1: step up to the podium and drop a bunch of
Speaker 1: expletives to.
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Speaker 1: conversation about stephen Wardel curry giving it a go.
Speaker 2: Tonight he will not do.
Speaker 1: That he has been cleared to participate in some encore,
Speaker 1: drills but you will miss the game tonight as The
Speaker 1: warriors are trying to stave off. Elimination so now as,
Speaker 1: official we Got Nick celtics at your early. Game but
Speaker 1: let's go To chicago where we find ourselves one of our.
Speaker 1: Favorites Sarah todd from The Deseret, News, Sarah Happy. Wednesday
Speaker 1: how are.
Speaker 8: You i'm doing. Great i'm here at THE Nba. Combine
Speaker 8: so any apologies if they're buzzes and normal kind of
Speaker 8: arena sounds in the.
Speaker 1: Background, NO i actually kind of like. It WHEN i
Speaker 1: hear whistles and sneakers sneaking on the.
Speaker 2: Floor it makes. Me it makes me miss.
Speaker 1: Basketball SO i think we'll take the background ambient. Noise, So,
Speaker 1: sarah you were in the room when it was revealed
Speaker 1: The jazz would fall to. Five, obviously folks around here
Speaker 1: are not too. Thrilled let's just let's just talk about your,
Speaker 1: experience big. Picture what was it like to kind of
Speaker 1: be there and experience.
Speaker 8: Everything, YEAH i, Mean i've been in that room multiple
Speaker 8: times at this, point and that was certainly the most
Speaker 8: unique experiencing in. There you, know it's the opposite of
Speaker 8: how the lottery is. Revealed on television right where you
Speaker 8: start with fifteen and you end at, one and when
Speaker 8: you're in the, room number one is the first four balls.
Speaker 8: Drawn so it happened very very, quickly and to say
Speaker 8: that there was nobody in the room that expected it
Speaker 8: to Be dallas would be an. Understatement it was, shocking
Speaker 8: AND i mean the looks that went around FROM nba
Speaker 8: staff and legal and all of the team representatives and
Speaker 8: all of the. MEDIA i mean there were audible gaps
Speaker 8: and people, saying oh my. God and then very very,
Speaker 8: quickly like within forty seconds after, that the second pick
Speaker 8: was To San antonio and it was the same. Reaction
Speaker 8: i'm just. Stunned everybody in the room was.
Speaker 1: Done you did a really good job of painting a
Speaker 1: picture for the D news and for our listeners who
Speaker 1: have not read, THAT i would encourage you to go
Speaker 1: To Sarah's twitter profile and click on the. Links so
Speaker 1: for our listeners that haven't read your, PIECE i want
Speaker 1: you to tell us When Justin zanik realized The jazz
Speaker 1: fate and what his reaction was that you, witnessed.
Speaker 8: Right I'M i MEAN i was sitting maybe five six
Speaker 8: feet away From justin and he's sitting next To Washington
Speaker 8: wizards general Manager Will. Dawkin they both, have you, know
Speaker 8: an equal percent chance shot at the number one, pick
Speaker 8: and you, know before the pick is made or before
Speaker 8: the balls are, drawn you, know there's, nervous nervous toe
Speaker 8: tapping and, uh you, know kind of writing down on
Speaker 8: pieces of paper in front of, you just to have
Speaker 8: something to do with your, hands and Justin i'm you,
Speaker 8: know all of the team, representatives all of the, reporters
Speaker 8: everybody in the room has a list of all of
Speaker 8: the number combinations possible and the teams that they're fined,
Speaker 8: Too so kind of before everything, starts you kind of
Speaker 8: get a sense of what you're looking. For you, know
Speaker 8: even though they're going to call it out and announce,
Speaker 8: it you want to make sure to follow along if you.
Speaker 8: Can and what was obvious was number. One all of
Speaker 8: The jazz's combinations had the number, one so a number one.
Speaker 3: Had to be.
Speaker 8: Drawn, also what was obvious was that The jazz in
Speaker 8: their number, combinations they could have handled two double digit,
Speaker 8: numbers three double digit, numbers it wouldn't have been A jazz.
Speaker 8: Number so another thing to kind of keep in mind
Speaker 8: when you're watching the balls came. Drawn first number comes,
Speaker 8: up it's double.
Speaker 3: Digits that's.
Speaker 8: Fine the second number comes, up it's a double digit,
Speaker 8: number also. Fine and then the third one comes up
Speaker 8: and it's another double digit. Number And justin put his
Speaker 8: pin down and just kind of knew that it was.
Speaker 8: Gone it was over before even the fourth ball was.
Speaker 8: Drawn and when it was Announced, dallas him And Will
Speaker 8: dawkins looked at each, other looked back down at the
Speaker 8: papers in front of, them and looked at each. Other
Speaker 8: they just they didn't know what to do other than
Speaker 8: kind of stare at each other and understand how drastically
Speaker 8: things were about to. Change and you, know we're talking
Speaker 8: about five minutes before, That Justin zannik telling me, about you,
Speaker 8: know the lucky bracelet that he has on that he's
Speaker 8: never taken, off and he's wearing His utah jass. Box
Speaker 8: and then five minutes after you have people shaking his
Speaker 8: hand and looking at him like his dog. Died and
Speaker 8: so the just the shift in the room was, Immense.
Speaker 1: So, sarah of, course you, know it's an annual ride
Speaker 1: of passage in the world of pro. Basketball when a
Speaker 1: fan base is upset that their team didn't get the
Speaker 1: number one overall pick or the number two overall, pick
Speaker 1: to then question this process and just us whether or
Speaker 1: not it's, legitimate whether or not it's done with, integrity
Speaker 1: and whether or not the fix is. In No mavericks
Speaker 1: fans are complaining about the. Lottery No spurs, fans, well
Speaker 1: No spurs fans should ever complain about the, lottery let's
Speaker 1: be very clear about. That but fans of The Utah,
Speaker 1: jazz fans of The New Orleans, pelicans fans of the,
Speaker 1: well The pelicans don't have any beef. Either but Now
Speaker 1: i'm getting lost in the. Weeds, Washington, Charlotte, portland the
Speaker 1: fan bases of teams that move down With cooper flag
Speaker 1: available at the top are all crying.
Speaker 2: FOUL i find it intellectually embarrassing.
Speaker 1: That every time your candidate doesn't win an, election you
Speaker 1: cry that it's, rigged or every time your team doesn't
Speaker 1: win a, lottery you cry that it's.
Speaker 2: Rigged but that's kind of where we're.
Speaker 1: At but since you saw the process and have seen the,
Speaker 1: PROCESS i will simply ask, you is this a fair
Speaker 1: way to do?
Speaker 2: This or is there anything that does not smell right
Speaker 2: in your?
Speaker 8: OPINION i mean two different questions, right is it? Fair
Speaker 8: it depends on how we design.
Speaker 6: Fair Right is it?
Speaker 8: Fair because the system and all the rules and the
Speaker 8: machinations of it are set up before you go in
Speaker 8: and you know what you're signing up, for then, yeah that's.
Speaker 8: Fair is it fair that the worst teams in the
Speaker 8: league only get a fourteen percent? Chance well that was
Speaker 8: that was the goal of the, league, right like this
Speaker 8: Is Adam silver's. Goal you, know they they talked about
Speaker 8: this in twenty, seventeen they put it into action in twenty.
Speaker 8: Nineteen they flatten the lottery. Odds and the fact of
Speaker 8: the matter is that discouraging tanking was the. Reason and
Speaker 8: the three teams that tanked the most egregiously did not
Speaker 8: get what they wanted this. Year and so, frankly the
Speaker 8: like that has, worked and in the eyes of the
Speaker 8: people that set up, us isn't it's? Fair is the
Speaker 8: something smell?
Speaker 3: Bad is it?
Speaker 8: Rigged absolutely. Not there's just like the idea that, right
Speaker 8: like the prevailing conspiracy theory if we're talking about that
Speaker 8: would be, well The mavericks gave The Lakers luca at
Speaker 8: the bidding of THE Nba League office or you, know
Speaker 8: brass and so now they're Rewarding, Dallas so does that
Speaker 8: mean THE Nbia league office also Hurt Kyrie irving And Anthony?
Speaker 8: Davis like did they cause those injuries? Too and, frankly
Speaker 8: if THE Nba League office had the power and will
Speaker 8: to make these things, HAPPEN i don't think they care About.
Speaker 8: Dallas if they Wanted luca to go to The, lakers
Speaker 8: and that is actually how all these things. Happened why
Speaker 8: Reward Dallas if they're that, powerful they don't need to
Speaker 8: give them.
Speaker 3: Anything well?
Speaker 1: Played AND i probably should have just asked whether or
Speaker 1: not it's, Rigged BUT i do want to lean into
Speaker 1: the answer you gave me for the first part of
Speaker 1: a clunky question and ask you whether or not you
Speaker 1: like what the league has. Done do you think it
Speaker 1: was the right thing to flatten the odds in twenty?
Speaker 1: Nineteen and, therefore, uh you, know the motivation is to
Speaker 1: dissuade tanking And Tim bontemps FROM espn wrote a piece
Speaker 1: today quoting a number of different executives that were celebrating
Speaker 1: the fact that The jazz and The wizards specifically did
Speaker 1: not get the number one overall pick because people around
Speaker 1: the league don't seem to respect a team that is
Speaker 1: unserious about, competing unserious about.
Speaker 2: Competition do you think THE nba needs to look at this.
Speaker 1: Process, though and maybe look at what THE nfl does
Speaker 1: by simply rewarding the worst teams with the best picks
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 3: Draft.
Speaker 8: YEAH i, MEAN i think any system that you have
Speaker 8: where there's going to be like a percentage, CHANCE i
Speaker 8: kind of think you're going to get the same. Results, Right,
Speaker 8: like even when it was just before it was the
Speaker 8: flattened fourteen, percent, right you were getting the number the
Speaker 8: one the first overall worst record had a twenty five percent.
Speaker 8: Chance that's a lot. Better that feels a lot better
Speaker 8: than fourteen percent. Chance and SO i think you get
Speaker 8: a number of teams who are, thinking, well if we
Speaker 8: can be the absolute, word then we have a really good.
Speaker 8: Shot flattening the odds just means, okay, well then there's
Speaker 8: more teams that are going to get a stab at,
Speaker 8: it and maybe you can win it if you have
Speaker 8: at one point absent, chance, Right and SO i think
Speaker 8: any system with a percentage is probably not going to
Speaker 8: discourage tanking enough to actually make it go. Away if
Speaker 8: you went to a system where it was just, like,
Speaker 8: yes the worst overall team the worst record gets the
Speaker 8: number one, pick and it just goes in order like.
Speaker 8: THAT i don't know if that means that you, get you, know,
Speaker 8: three four or five teams jockeying for that worst overall
Speaker 8: record every. SEASON i don't know what that looks. Like
Speaker 8: and so it feels, like, YEAH i, MEAN i GUESS
Speaker 8: i just still go back to like it's fair in
Speaker 8: the ways THE nba wants it to be. Fair it's
Speaker 8: probably impossible at this point to make it feel fair
Speaker 8: for everyone, involved like team wise and fan. Wise you,
Speaker 8: know no one is going to be happy no matter
Speaker 8: how this all shakes. Out and at this, point you're
Speaker 8: probably never going to discourage tanking unless you start changing
Speaker 8: player participation policy in a, way, way, way different way
Speaker 8: than THE nba currently does.
Speaker 1: It so now this brings up a really interesting, Discussion,
Speaker 1: sarah Because i'm not a proponent of tanking all the,
Speaker 1: time but in certain unique, SITUATIONS i am a proponent of.
Speaker 1: Tanking and in the situation where The jazz have found
Speaker 1: themselves in for the past three, years my belief has
Speaker 1: been that they need to go all in to give
Speaker 1: themselves the best chance at some of these.
Speaker 2: Prospects Namely victor Wembin.
Speaker 1: Ya i'm a couple of years, ago Namely Cooper flag this,
Speaker 1: year SO i cannot sit here and, say you know
Speaker 1: THAT i disagree with what they did last.
Speaker 2: Year that would make me a.
Speaker 1: Hypocrite but now that we have the, data since twenty,
Speaker 1: nineteen there are six drafts where the worst team has
Speaker 1: not received the number one overall, pick and there are
Speaker 1: conversations about basketball gods and, karma and if you are
Speaker 1: not approaching this endeavor with integrity to try to be
Speaker 1: serious about, competition maybe you don't deserve to be rewarded
Speaker 1: for such a lackadaisical. Approach have you changed your opinion
Speaker 1: on what The jazz should continue to do moving?
Speaker 3: FORWARD i.
Speaker 8: HAVEN'T i still think they should, tank AND i did this.
Speaker 8: Year I've if, anything what this lottery showed me is
Speaker 8: that karma is not. Real you can Trade Luka doncic
Speaker 8: and have the most ridiculed front office in THE nba
Speaker 8: and you can still get. Rewarded so basketball karma does
Speaker 8: not work the way THAT i ever thought that it.
Speaker 3: Did and.
Speaker 8: The jazz are not getting a top tier free agent right.
Speaker 8: Now maybe they would have had a chance at something
Speaker 8: if they Landed Super. Flag but you've got to get
Speaker 8: players to get, players and the way for them to
Speaker 8: start doing that is to the draft next. Year they've
Speaker 8: got a top eight protected pick that if it falls
Speaker 8: out of, that they have to send it To. Okay
Speaker 8: see and why would you let that? Go why would
Speaker 8: you try to get twenty four to twenty five wins
Speaker 8: by playing lowry and a bunch of rookies and second
Speaker 8: year players just so that you can lose that pick
Speaker 8: and see Another western conference fo get the pick that
Speaker 8: you would have. HAD i think it's the best strategy right.
Speaker 3: Now i'm with.
Speaker 1: You no one around he wants to hear. It do
Speaker 1: you think The jazz will continue this strategy? Now And,
Speaker 1: sarah every Time i've had you on since the end
Speaker 1: of the, Season i've tried to kind of kick the
Speaker 1: tires on what could the offseason look? Like but you
Speaker 1: were good to tell us we had to wait Until.
Speaker 1: Monday well we waited Until. Monday now they have the fifth.
Speaker 1: Pick how do you think this color is the context
Speaker 1: of what this offseason will.
Speaker 3: Look like for The?
Speaker 8: Jazz, YEAH i, mean you, know before the, lottery my
Speaker 8: answer to that question was, usually you, know if they Land.
Speaker 8: Cooper the only thing that would keep them from tanking
Speaker 8: at twenty, five twenty sixty even would be if they
Speaker 8: were to go out and get another big time player
Speaker 8: to put on the. TEAM i think that that is
Speaker 8: still my, answer even though they Didn't. Vancouver unless they
Speaker 8: make a big, trade unless they use the number five
Speaker 8: pick in this year's, draft plus some other matching salary
Speaker 8: assets to go and get a big time, PLAYER i
Speaker 8: fully expect for them to do the same. Thing it's
Speaker 8: going to be a rints washed and repeat of last.
Speaker 1: Year, okay so excuse, me let's move over to The let's,
Speaker 1: See i'll call it the slight possibility that The jazz
Speaker 1: are involved in a trade that lands a notable piece
Speaker 1: here in the. Market so as we, know it has
Speaker 1: been reported That giannis is open to being traded From.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee there are teams like The Phoenix suns that have
Speaker 1: hard decisions to make about really good players that are
Speaker 1: making a lot of money for a team that didn't
Speaker 1: do anything last.
Speaker 3: Year if The.
Speaker 1: Boston celtics lose, tonight and quite, Frankly, sarah even if they,
Speaker 1: don't this is a new ownership group, that according to
Speaker 1: Body mark's calculate is going to be faced with a
Speaker 1: luxury tax bill of north of five hundred million. Dollars,
Speaker 1: Okay so on one, hand we know that there will
Speaker 1: be very good players on the open market there to be.
Speaker 1: Had on the other, HAND i have a hard time
Speaker 1: seeing The jazz come up with a package that's analogous
Speaker 1: to What okac can put, together What houston could put,
Speaker 1: together and certainly What San antonio could put. Together do
Speaker 1: you think there's any chance that The jazz have enough
Speaker 1: and we'll get involved to land a viable piece here
Speaker 1: in the market that could really invigorate this fan.
Speaker 3: Base, yeah you, know.
Speaker 8: If milwaukee actually wants to start having like real conversations
Speaker 8: about potentially moving, MEANNESS i think that The jazz would
Speaker 8: certainly try to be, involved but as you, SAID i
Speaker 8: don't think the deals that they could offer would be
Speaker 8: good enough when you consider the types of players and
Speaker 8: picks that you could get from other. Teams you could
Speaker 8: get more like higher quantity assets probably from The, jazz
Speaker 8: but you're not going to get you, know the number
Speaker 8: two or you, know let's not Leave dallas out of this, either,
Speaker 8: Right like they could do A Cooper yanni slip if
Speaker 8: they wanted, to and so there are a lot of
Speaker 8: teams that have a lot of things like if you
Speaker 8: think about the way That milwaukee is kind of looking
Speaker 8: at their immediate, future they don't have, Assets they don't
Speaker 8: have someone that's going to take the place Of dame
Speaker 8: once he actually gets healthy and is probably done with his.
Speaker 8: Career at that, point if they're giving up On, giannis
Speaker 8: they need to have something really good to look, to
Speaker 8: and The jazz don't have that thing to give, them
Speaker 8: and so it's really hard for me to imagine them
Speaker 8: being in the, running.
Speaker 1: All, right moving over to if we operate off the
Speaker 1: premise that The jazz stay at, five and there are
Speaker 1: a number of reports out there that The jazz are
Speaker 1: going to try really hard to move, up And zanak
Speaker 1: himself talked about all the. Possibilities tim, McMahon who joined us,
Speaker 1: yesterday is reporting that the ownership of The Dallas mavericks
Speaker 1: has laid the edict down that we are one and
Speaker 1: we are Drafting Cooper. Flag it feels like it's a
Speaker 1: consensus That Dylan harper's, too and then we get into
Speaker 1: The Ace bailey vj Edge, Comb Jeremiah, Fears Trey, johnson
Speaker 1: The mallawatch kid From duke we get into that, Portion
Speaker 1: Conk nipple as. Well give us a few, Names sarah
Speaker 1: at five that you think will be there that The
Speaker 1: jazz would take a look, at and maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of options that they could.
Speaker 8: Draft, YEAH i mean all the names that you said
Speaker 8: just now are absolutely in the, running, Right Trey, JOHNSON. Vj,
Speaker 8: Edgecomb Ace, Bailey, Jeremiah Jeremiah, Fears Conk. NIPPLE i would
Speaker 8: also put In Derrek queen probably in that. Mix that's
Speaker 8: probably the group of guys that you're looking at if
Speaker 8: you if they decide to keep number. Five AND i
Speaker 8: MEAN i talked to all of those players earlier, today
Speaker 8: and you know there's certain things that like IF i
Speaker 8: was AN nbagm that would really scare me about summer.
Speaker 8: HOME i, MEAN A staley's a guy who doesn't pass the,
Speaker 8: ball shoots a ton of mid rain. Shots he's another, project.
Speaker 8: RIGHT i, mean even you KNOW. Vj, edgecomb who seems
Speaker 8: like kind of a complete two way. Player he's got
Speaker 8: some efficiency issues and he's got some ball handling issues
Speaker 8: that would need to be worked. Out, like none of
Speaker 8: these guys are going to come in as like complete
Speaker 8: ready to go blue chip, Prospects and SO i think
Speaker 8: that one of the things that needs to be thought
Speaker 8: about kind of just beyond this draft is how many
Speaker 8: more projects are The jazz going to be willing to take?
Speaker 8: On and at some point over the next you, know
Speaker 8: between now and probably next year's, drafts, like there's going
Speaker 8: to need to be a lot of decisions made because
Speaker 8: at this point you've Got Walker, Tesler Taylor, Hendrix Keante,
Speaker 8: George Bryce, Siba Cody, Williams Isaiah, Collier Kyle philipowski potentially
Speaker 8: four draft picks this year taking over the four non
Speaker 8: guaranteed player spots that were on the roster last. Year
Speaker 8: next year's, draft how many more were young players are
Speaker 8: you going to bring? On you can't keep them, all
Speaker 8: and a team like, that it's not going to. Win
Speaker 8: so there are some big decisions about kind of who
Speaker 8: to cup bait with between now and.
Speaker 1: Then, yes there, is, So, sarah if we move over
Speaker 1: into the, space and it's really hard to have this
Speaker 1: exercise done sitting here in Mid may without knowing who's
Speaker 1: going to be on the. Roster but if The jazz
Speaker 1: have done their, calculation if they decide that we are
Speaker 1: going to be serious about. Competing if they decide that
Speaker 1: we are not going to invent, injuries if they decide
Speaker 1: that they are going to play their best possible lineups
Speaker 1: every single, night what's best case scenario for them next?
Speaker 1: Season if there's no sitting, marketing If walker's not shooting
Speaker 1: seven threes a, Night collins And sexton And, clarkson if
Speaker 1: they go all in to maximize who this roster, is
Speaker 1: what does it look like next?
Speaker 8: Year, Honestly, LIKE i, think obviously they win more games
Speaker 8: than they did this, year but you're probably still looking
Speaker 8: at a situation where, you, like, honestly the best case
Speaker 8: scenario from a wins perspective is you win some more,
Speaker 8: games but not enough to actually make it to play
Speaker 8: in which would be the worst case scenario because then
Speaker 8: you lose your. Pick and SO i just don't think
Speaker 8: that this team has enough right, now especially with how
Speaker 8: many young players you're going to have on the, Roster,
Speaker 8: like there's just no depth if you're considering considering it talent,
Speaker 8: wise Right they're too, young they're too, inexperienced they're not
Speaker 8: ready for any of that right. Now and so the
Speaker 8: best case scenario is that they decide to go the other,
Speaker 8: way loose and games and keep their.
Speaker 1: Pick i'm with you, there all, Right. Sarah, well a
Speaker 1: rough week for jazz. Fans hopefully better times. Ahead Enjoy
Speaker 1: chicago and travel. Safe, okay thanks a lot of.
Speaker 8: Sense talk to.
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Speaker 9: The New York rangers and The New York. Islanders join
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Speaker 2: Doubleheader, tonight we'll get back to SOME nba.
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Speaker 1: for an entire.
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Speaker 1: ranked the off seasons four teams in The Big. Twelve,
Speaker 1: yes we can actually rank off seasons of college football.
Speaker 1: Now but in addition to LITTLE nba, Playoffs tonight we
Speaker 1: have The battle For Lord Stanley's cup rolling on with
Speaker 1: a double. Header it's The panthers and The Maple leaves
Speaker 1: tied to, two and The oilers will try to send
Speaker 1: The Golden knight some as they lead that three to.
Speaker 1: One our next guest joins us on a consistent basis
Speaker 1: to talk little. Hockey it Is Neil smith On wednesday.
Speaker 1: Afternoon wednesday, Afternoon, Neil Happy, wednesday, sir how are.
Speaker 7: You i'm doing, well. Thanks eighty two degrees here In,
Speaker 7: Greenville South carolina and just loving the.
Speaker 1: Weather did you do that because you checked the Forecasting
Speaker 1: Salt lake and you know it was thirty seven degrees
Speaker 1: earlier this morning and it feels Like february, Today.
Speaker 7: Neil just trying to rub it in a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, Spence, okay fair.
Speaker 1: ENOUGH i have a random question off the top for,
Speaker 1: you based off of a current situation that's happened in our.
Speaker 2: Market.
Speaker 1: Now the luck that The utah hawk who excuse, me
Speaker 1: the luck that The Utah mammoth received during the lottery
Speaker 1: process is something that our basketball team has never had
Speaker 1: and now continues to never. Have as The jazz moved
Speaker 1: down to five and their lottery drawing a lot of
Speaker 1: people around here were hoping they would get the number
Speaker 1: one overall. PICK i wondered in your time as a
Speaker 1: chief roster, constructor if you were over an organization that
Speaker 1: entered the lottery process with a great chance ants to
Speaker 1: have the number one overall pick and you actually fell
Speaker 1: on how that affected your off season plans and the fan.
Speaker 7: Base, Well i'm going to tell you how OLD i
Speaker 7: am by answering THAT i was never involved when it
Speaker 7: they had since they'd had the. Lottery oh, Yeah, no
Speaker 7: we didn't have that WHEN i was at The. Rangers
Speaker 7: that the LOTTERY i believe came in in six and
Speaker 7: five oh six when they made all those changes during the.
Speaker 7: Lockout and BUT i have watched the, lottery you, know
Speaker 7: all these many years and seeing teams move up and,
Speaker 7: down and every year THE nhl seems to change what
Speaker 7: the rules. ARE i couldn't figure out this year's numbers
Speaker 7: by watching it ON. TV i had no idea what
Speaker 7: they were talking. About John Butcher grass doing it FOR.
Speaker 7: Espn BUT i was happy to see That utah was
Speaker 7: able to jump, up which was was a real good,
Speaker 7: thing not as good as what The islanders were able
Speaker 7: to do jumping up from ten to number, one but
Speaker 7: certainly number four is going to give you a pretty
Speaker 7: good hockey.
Speaker 2: Player, okay let me ask the question this.
Speaker 1: Way and you, know this is a lot of apples and,
Speaker 1: oranges because in the world of professional, hockey even if
Speaker 1: you get the number one overall, pick there is a
Speaker 1: chance that the fan base will not see that player
Speaker 1: for you, know a year or.
Speaker 2: Two, now that's not all the. Time sometimes the number one.
Speaker 1: Pick is ready to, play and we've seen plenty of
Speaker 1: examples of, that and of course in THE, nba you're
Speaker 1: going to see the player right. Away but how does
Speaker 1: either moving up or moving, Down how does good or
Speaker 1: bad luck in the lottery affect the offseason plans of
Speaker 1: a team that currently is in a rebuild like The
Speaker 1: Utah Hockey.
Speaker 7: Club, WELL i think that if, you if you your scouts,
Speaker 7: know if there's more than one kid that can play
Speaker 7: in THE nhl next, year eighteen years old is extremely
Speaker 7: hard to play in THE. Nhl we've seen a couple
Speaker 7: of good ones the last couple of years in The
Speaker 7: dard In chicago and then this year in In San,
Speaker 7: jose but it's not the. Norm and from WHAT i
Speaker 7: hear about this year's. Draft it's not a generational player
Speaker 7: that will be picked number, one and so obviously then
Speaker 7: as you go down it'll be less chances of those players.
Speaker 7: Playing BUT i think it goes into your more of
Speaker 7: your longer term building plan that you could perhaps get
Speaker 7: a star, player a first line, player a first line,
Speaker 7: defenseman a starting goaltender when you're picking in the top
Speaker 7: four like. That SO i would Imagine Bill armstrong and
Speaker 7: his staff are ecstatic that they moved.
Speaker 1: Up is the main reason most of these players do
Speaker 1: not play in THE nhl right? Away is size and
Speaker 1: physicality because they're? Young or is it skill or is
Speaker 1: it just you, know the needing to. DEVELOP i, mean
Speaker 1: what are some of the main dynamics that ultimately lead
Speaker 1: to the majority of picks made not landing on the
Speaker 1: ground to PLAY nhl hockey for a.
Speaker 7: YEARS i think it's a combination of everything you. SAID
Speaker 7: i think it's the maturity of the physical body of
Speaker 7: an eighteen year old young man as compared to what
Speaker 7: he'd be like at twenty. ONE i think it's the
Speaker 7: mental side of handling THE, nhl the, money the everything
Speaker 7: at eighteen years old is compared to when they get,
Speaker 7: to say twenty. ONE i just think it's a combination of.
Speaker 7: Everything it's the maturation process and the development process that
Speaker 7: you speak, about in other, words becoming a better player
Speaker 7: as you get, older which is a natural part of
Speaker 7: being an, athlete as you get older and get to
Speaker 7: that one year that you're in your, prime which is
Speaker 7: probably mid to late, twenties and then everything starts a
Speaker 7: little the other. Way but it's a combination of, everything he.
Speaker 7: Said and some kids are able to commun at. Eighteen
Speaker 7: they're strong enough to handle, it they're mentally tough enough to.
Speaker 7: Ament but that's case by case and certainly not the.
Speaker 2: Rule so we have several players playing in The World.
Speaker 1: Championships we HAVE i think four of our players are
Speaker 1: on THE us, team and then we have a few
Speaker 1: players scattered around the international ranks as. Well as a general,
Speaker 1: manager do you like the fact that your players are
Speaker 1: having this. Experience is it good for them to stay
Speaker 1: in shape and keep competing or are you watching these
Speaker 1: games with tremendous nerves hoping a great young star does
Speaker 1: not get.
Speaker 2: Hurt how does that land for A?
Speaker 7: Gm, well first of, all you're very proud of the
Speaker 7: fact that you have those players that are asked to
Speaker 7: play on those. Teams so that's a good, thing and
Speaker 7: it's a good thing to use in public relations that
Speaker 7: you have these players and that you've got a bright
Speaker 7: future because of these players playing in international competition and
Speaker 7: being the best of that country's. Players so that's the first.
Speaker 7: Thing the next thing, IS i think anytime your players
Speaker 7: can play at a high level and compete for a,
Speaker 7: championship it's a good. Thing, so, yes you worry about
Speaker 7: them being, hurt but you, know even if they were
Speaker 7: to sustain an injury at this time of the, year
Speaker 7: you've got a number of months to go until you're
Speaker 7: back at training. Camp so you, know we're talking about
Speaker 7: having five months from now until the season, begins so
Speaker 7: you've got time to get them. Backwards at The Four
Speaker 7: nations tournament that was bang in the middle of the,
Speaker 7: season you got an injury, then and you're going to
Speaker 7: miss time on your.
Speaker 1: Team So Clayton, keller who is the captain here for
Speaker 1: The Utah, mammoth was named the captain THE us.
Speaker 2: TEAM i thought that was pretty.
Speaker 1: Cool what does that say about just kind of his
Speaker 1: presence for a team that has a lot of really
Speaker 1: good young.
Speaker 2: Players they landed On Clayton keller as their.
Speaker 7: CAPTAIN i think it shows that he's got a good
Speaker 7: reputation around THE. Lea it doesn't come to the top
Speaker 7: of my mind who's the coach for THE us, Team
Speaker 7: but obviously the coaching staff realize that he's got leadership
Speaker 7: qualities and that's why they gave him the. Seat they
Speaker 7: knew that he had it With, utah and so they
Speaker 7: do their. Homework you, know when they bring these guys
Speaker 7: all on to a, team they're looking for who's going
Speaker 7: to be the. Leader and they've done their. Homework they've
Speaker 7: talked to their home, team which Be utah With, clayton
Speaker 7: and they've talked to the, coach and they've talked maybe
Speaker 7: to the, manager and you, know they've done their. Homework
Speaker 7: so that just is a good signal That keller is
Speaker 7: not captain by. Accident all, right.
Speaker 1: Let's jump around now to the series that are going
Speaker 1: on for The battle For Lord Stanley Cup Stanley cup.
Speaker 2: Playoffs before we set you loose for This, wednesday AND
Speaker 2: i got to give you the.
Speaker 1: Credit you pointed Out dallas as a team to, watch
Speaker 1: and now they're on the precipice of eliminating The, jets
Speaker 1: who have been the best team out here in The
Speaker 1: west and maybe in the entire league all. Year of,
Speaker 1: course in the, playoffs certainly in the hockey, playoffs even
Speaker 1: three one leads aren't. Safe So i'm not saying it's.
Speaker 1: Done but what stands out most about this three to
Speaker 1: one lead The stars have over The.
Speaker 7: Jets, well there's a number of, things and the first
Speaker 7: one you've got to talk about Is Viko ranton and
Speaker 7: who came To dallas late in the before the trade.
Speaker 7: Deadline actually had started the year In colorado and been
Speaker 7: playing really, well but then because of the contract issue
Speaker 7: that he was traded To, carolina where he's played a few,
Speaker 7: games but let them know that he wasn't going to
Speaker 7: sign long term, there so they traded him To, dallas
Speaker 7: Where dallas signed him long. Term and it took him
Speaker 7: a few games and a little while to get, going
Speaker 7: but he has just been a monster in the. PLAYOFFS i,
Speaker 7: mean he has been involved in something like fourteen of
Speaker 7: their last eighteen goals that they've. Scored he's guy that
Speaker 7: got the goal or gotten. Assist so he's been just.
Speaker 7: Tremendous the other thing that's For dallas's last. Game they
Speaker 7: Got Miko heiskin and back on their. Defense he's their
Speaker 7: number one defense and he hadn't played Since january twenty,
Speaker 7: eighth so that was another great. Thing their Goaltender ottinger
Speaker 7: is playing, superbly played really well the other night again Against.
Speaker 7: Winnipeg on the downside for The, jets what's going on
Speaker 7: with The, Jets, well they haven't won a road playoff
Speaker 7: game since twenty twenty. Three. Wow they've lost every game
Speaker 7: on the road to The Saint Louis, blues which was three.
Speaker 7: Games they won every game at, home which was four.
Speaker 7: Games that's why they moved. On but Now i'm playing The.
Speaker 7: Stars you, know they lost their first game at, home
Speaker 7: they won their second, game they lost In dallas In game,
Speaker 7: three and they lost In dallas In game four On tuesday.
Speaker 7: Night so The jets are are in. Trouble And Connor,
Speaker 7: hallibuck theresn't a trophy winning, goaltender has not played a
Speaker 7: trophy standard goal for. Them he was very suspect Against Saint.
Speaker 7: Louis he's gotten better Against, dallas but hasn't been the
Speaker 7: same as what we saw during the regular. Season so
Speaker 7: now they've got to win three straight games Against, dallas
Speaker 7: And dallas is a confident group now that you can
Speaker 7: see it in their. Play they're getting contributions from. Everybody
Speaker 7: last night night and Meet Kyle granlin who came into
Speaker 7: the team late in the season and a trade With San.
Speaker 7: Jose he got the hat. Trick they won three to.
Speaker 7: One he got all the, Goals ranson and got an
Speaker 7: assistant now and so they they're checking on all cylinders
Speaker 7: In dallas right. Now And winnipeg's going to have to
Speaker 7: find out how to beat, them not only In game
Speaker 7: five to stay, alive but then they've got to win
Speaker 7: a game on the road In game six to be
Speaker 7: able to come home to try to Win game. Seven
Speaker 7: so they're in tough right.
Speaker 1: Now do you think there's a shot The winnipeg can
Speaker 1: pull this off or does it feel like they're.
Speaker 7: Cooked it feels like they're cooked to. Me they could
Speaker 7: very much win this next, Game game five at home In.
Speaker 7: WINNIPEG i don't see them getting out Of dallas with
Speaker 7: the series still, going not by the way the series
Speaker 7: has gone and out by watching it carefully every, GAME
Speaker 7: i just don't see.
Speaker 1: It, well stay Out west before we finish with the
Speaker 1: two series out. East three of the four series have
Speaker 1: a three to one tilt for one of the. Teams
Speaker 1: and we have a lot of the kind of Proxy
Speaker 1: Golden knight fans out here because prior to The Utah
Speaker 1: mammoth landing, here The Vegas knights were the closest team
Speaker 1: by proximity and they're in. Trouble they're down three to.
Speaker 1: One edmonton has them on the. Rope same, question what's
Speaker 1: gone right For? Edmonton what's gone wrong For?
Speaker 3: Vegas, well you, know.
Speaker 7: We saw this movie last year When edmonton came into
Speaker 7: the playoffs and got better as they went, along and
Speaker 7: they ended up going To game seven of the. Final
Speaker 7: i'm not going to say that that's going to happen
Speaker 7: to them this. Year But vegas has had several. Injuries
Speaker 7: Mark stoner, captain has been banged. Up they haven't gotten
Speaker 7: as The Edmonton oilers weakness is their. Goaltending everybody's known
Speaker 7: that except that their backup or number two, Goalie Calvin
Speaker 7: pickard started the playoffs for, them started this series for,
Speaker 7: Them rather played really well but then got. Hurt but
Speaker 7: Then Stuart skinner came in and he's played really well
Speaker 7: in goal For. Edmonton in, fact pitching a shutout in
Speaker 7: the last game On Monday. Night they've just been The
Speaker 7: knights haven't been able to stay with. Them and you,
Speaker 7: know they're playing In vegas. Tonight Ed vegas obviously has
Speaker 7: to win this game because they're on the ropes at
Speaker 7: three to. ONE i Think vegas will win this game.
Speaker 7: Tonight that's WHAT i, believe BECAUSE i think they play
Speaker 7: really well In vegas And edmonton might take their foot
Speaker 7: off the gas a little. Bit BUT i don't think
Speaker 7: that The knights are going to be able to sustain
Speaker 7: and win three games and win the.
Speaker 1: Series so you, KNOW i was going to follow up
Speaker 1: with you feel Like vegas's, cooked but you answered. It
Speaker 1: you have, Right so not even a puncher's chance to
Speaker 1: get back in this.
Speaker 7: THING i think they, could but you, know you're talking
Speaker 7: About connor McDavid And leon Dry side And Evan Bouce
Speaker 7: shard And Zach, Hymon Zach, hyman, sorry and and they're
Speaker 7: getting contributions from guys Like Corey perry And Evander kine
Speaker 7: and guys that you may. Know you, know they're they're
Speaker 7: lowered down on their. Roster and so when McDavid and
Speaker 7: Dry sided to take care of them now all of a,
Speaker 7: Sudden Corey perry puts win in her, Suddenly Zach hymen
Speaker 7: scores or you've Got Adam henriek scored too in the last.
Speaker 7: Game this is a deep team and they're getting contributions from,
Speaker 7: Everybody SO I i just don't see.
Speaker 1: It all, right let's move. Over we'll finish with the
Speaker 1: best series too. Too we'll see what do you think happens.
Speaker 1: Tonight But Carolina carolina has The caps on the ropes
Speaker 1: three to, one And i'm just going to keep asking
Speaker 1: the same, question what's gone right for The hurricanes and
Speaker 1: wrong for The.
Speaker 7: CAPS i think what's happened with The hurricanes is their,
Speaker 7: weakness or their suspect was their. Goaltending that people thought
Speaker 7: they didn't have playoff good enough, Goaltending but they. Do
Speaker 7: Freddie anderson has played great for, them really really. Well
Speaker 7: The caps just aren't the same team that they were
Speaker 7: during the regular. Season And i'm not Sure spence that
Speaker 7: they've been the same team that they were during the
Speaker 7: regular season ever since The ovie chase for the goals
Speaker 7: scoring record ended On Long island back In. March they
Speaker 7: just never got back to that, high high level that
Speaker 7: they were. At carolina has just been faster than. Them
Speaker 7: they've kind of way more scoring or shot advantages than
Speaker 7: washed and some Of washington's players that have been stallwards
Speaker 7: for the. YEARS I John carlson has not had a
Speaker 7: good series as a. Defenseman so you, know The hurricanes
Speaker 7: basically are beating them all over the. ICE i don't
Speaker 7: know how they're going to try to do it in
Speaker 7: the tomorrow night when they play back In, washington whe
Speaker 7: they get more physical with, Them but even that, Try
Speaker 7: carolina has stood up to them physically and not back.
Speaker 7: Down so, AGAIN i don't See washington coming back in this.
Speaker 7: Series you, know here's the. Thing WHEN i say THAT
Speaker 7: i can see a team coming, back it's When i've
Speaker 7: seen that the games have been so darn close that
Speaker 7: it's got to tip the other. Way but these haven't been.
Speaker 7: Close the last game On monday was five to two For.
Speaker 7: Carolina before that it was for nothing in game. Three
Speaker 7: it really. Has the first two games were, close but
Speaker 7: these last two games have knocked, close and SO i
Speaker 7: don't think That washington has.
Speaker 1: It IF i made you pick One Neil, Jets Golden,
Speaker 1: Knights caps all down three to, one who has the
Speaker 1: best chance of coming back and making this.
Speaker 3: INTERESTING i would Say.
Speaker 7: VEGAS i KNOW i said THAT i didn't think they'd do,
Speaker 7: it BECAUSE i. Don't but if you ask, me you've
Speaker 7: got to take. One i'll Take vegas to come back
Speaker 7: On edmonton BEFORE i would Take winnipeg to come back
Speaker 7: On dallas Or washington to come back On.
Speaker 1: Carolina all, right moving over to the only series that's
Speaker 1: deadlocked at to, apiece it is let's, see it's The
Speaker 1: Maple leafs and The panthers and they're gonna get going
Speaker 1: here in about an hour and twelve. Minutes so what
Speaker 1: has caused this series to be deadlock to?
Speaker 2: Two who do you like? Tonight who do you think
Speaker 2: ultimately wins?
Speaker 6: It and?
Speaker 7: Why, Well toronto came out and won their first two
Speaker 7: games in the series because In, toronto they're played In,
Speaker 7: toronto and they and they won them both and went To.
Speaker 7: Florida panthers went back home down two to, nothing which
Speaker 7: is a bad place to. Be they Won game three
Speaker 7: and overtime five to, four and then they played a
Speaker 7: great game In game four and won two. Nothing and
Speaker 7: when you've Got Mitch marner And matt and you've Got
Speaker 7: Austin matthews and you've Got William leelander And John taveris
Speaker 7: and you shut them. Out you shut all those guys.
Speaker 7: Out you're Playing panther playoff hockey that we saw last.
Speaker 7: Year so it's two wins by The. Leafs in one
Speaker 7: and two went to The, leaves three and four went
Speaker 7: to The. Panthers Obviously panthers have the. Momentum they're back In.
Speaker 7: Toronto as you said, TONIGHT i think The toronto may
Speaker 7: P leafs will win because they have to. Win if
Speaker 7: they lose, tonight it's over because they've got to go
Speaker 7: back down To florida we're, there and then come back
Speaker 7: home and win. AGAIN i Think toronto will win. Tonight
Speaker 7: BUT i still Think florida will win this. SERIES i
Speaker 7: Just i've said that all, along SO i can't pull out.
Speaker 7: NOW i think That florida will win this, series BUT
Speaker 7: i wouldn't be surprised That toronto wins tonight and goes
Speaker 7: up three to two On.
Speaker 1: Florida, now are you doing the thing as a Proud
Speaker 1: canadian that you don't want to set yourself up for
Speaker 1: failure and that's why you're Picking.
Speaker 2: Florida, No i'm not doing that as A.
Speaker 7: Canadian i'm doing that as a guy that wants to
Speaker 7: be right ON espn seven hundred and doesn't want to
Speaker 7: come back on and. Here, oh, WELL i guess you're
Speaker 7: wrong about that, One. Neil So i'm just trying to
Speaker 7: pick WHO i think will really win so that you
Speaker 7: can't ras me next TIME i come.
Speaker 1: ON i can promise YOU i will not do, that
Speaker 1: because you're teaching us all about this sport in a
Speaker 1: way that we.
Speaker 2: Needed so let's move over.
Speaker 1: Here let's operate off the premise That Neil, smith the
Speaker 1: hockey the brilliant hockey mind Of Neil, smith is.
Speaker 2: Correct and It's, panthers It's, caps It's, oilers it's.
Speaker 3: Stars who do you.
Speaker 1: Like right now out of both conferences to advance to
Speaker 1: The Stanley Cup.
Speaker 7: Final, well first of, all you, Misspoke so it's. Good
Speaker 7: i'm Saying panthers Versus. CAROLINA i, BET i? Bet, Okay,
Speaker 7: NO i just want to make sure the listeners. Understand
Speaker 7: So i'm, Saying i'm saying in The east It's florida And.
Speaker 7: Carolina i'm Taking. Florida i'm saying in The west it's
Speaker 7: going to Be dallas Versus, edmonton and this is really.
Speaker 7: TOUGH i am going to Say dallas Against, edmonton and
Speaker 7: that's a tough decision because it is those two teams
Speaker 7: are both going really. GOOD i think It's dallas's.
Speaker 1: Year fair, enough fair, Enough BEFORE i set you, Loose
Speaker 1: let's just get one more thought on The Utah mammoth
Speaker 1: within the paradigm of what you've seen in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and what the hockey, club well hockey, mammoth the, mammoth
Speaker 1: now that you, talk what The Utah mammoth need to
Speaker 1: do this offseason to throw uns just consistently with the
Speaker 1: best teams in pro hockey next.
Speaker 7: Year stay with the, plan keep developing your young. Players
Speaker 7: see if there's a free agent out there In july
Speaker 7: that is somebody that could really help supplement your team
Speaker 7: by either their experience or their just their power that they.
Speaker 7: Have don't go crazy on signing three or four guys
Speaker 7: and making your team older and getting off your. Plan
Speaker 7: stay With Bill armstrong's plan and add to it if you.
Speaker 7: Can and if they'll do, that they're going to make
Speaker 7: another jump next. Year because it's the two teams that
Speaker 7: made it in The west this. Year Saint louis And
Speaker 7: minnesota both went out in the first. Round minnesota will
Speaker 7: improve Because minnesota's got a lot of cap. Room this,
Speaker 7: Summer Saint louis was in a building process to perhaps
Speaker 7: for three to four years down the, road and, surprise everybody.
Speaker 7: Made utah's competitive with both those, teams the competitive With,
Speaker 7: calgary who was also in the. Mix so stay with the.
Speaker 7: Plan that's ALL i can say, is do not get
Speaker 7: off your, plan.
Speaker 3: All, Right?
Speaker 2: Neil for all of our new hockey fan, listeners how
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Speaker 3: Chris i'm.
Speaker 1: GOOD i cannot say the same for local basketball fans
Speaker 1: here our. Market maybe folks don't really understand how a lottery.
Speaker 1: WORKS i find it intellectually embarrassing that whether it's, okay
Speaker 1: your guy didn't win an, election so let's cry, foul
Speaker 1: let's say it was, stolen or your team didn't win the,
Speaker 1: lottery something's. AMISS i almost don't want to spend any
Speaker 1: oxygen on. It. NOW i understand why you're, disappointed AND
Speaker 1: i even get some of the dynamics that don't land
Speaker 1: well with people that think basketball scripted, Anyway but how
Speaker 1: have you digested the meltdown in our market over the
Speaker 1: past forty eight out, well thirty six hours or.
Speaker 3: Whatever there's a very thick sense of irony across the board,
Speaker 3: here AND i always go back to kind of the
Speaker 3: idiom of like when you were a, kid your parents taught,
Speaker 3: you let's, hope AND i feel like most of the
Speaker 3: previous generations were taught how to. Lose you have to
Speaker 3: learn how to take an, now wear, it figure out
Speaker 3: a way to move, forward and you, know press. On but, lately,
Speaker 3: man it is a very fascinating kind of development we
Speaker 3: have culturally where we refuse to do, that whether it's
Speaker 3: in our personal, lives in our you, know political, lives
Speaker 3: even in sports. Now and it used to, be, LIKE
Speaker 3: i don't, know it used to be your annoying uncle
Speaker 3: or your annoying older brother's friend who would be, like,
Speaker 3: dude it's, all it's. All it's all part of this, timeline. Man,
Speaker 3: yeah the powers that be in you, know big, brother Big,
Speaker 3: brother all of the. Illuminati that's WHAT i was looking, for.
Speaker 3: Illuminati and now it's LIKE i Think blarson said that
Speaker 3: like seventy five percent of his poll said it's rigged.
Speaker 2: With like two thousand votes three WHEN i checked it was.
Speaker 3: Two did get up to? THREE i think.
Speaker 10: So SO.
Speaker 3: I think it is a societal failure to understand that
Speaker 3: life is hard and at the end of the, Day
Speaker 3: this is an entertainment. Business this is should be viewed
Speaker 3: as professional wrestling. Light that's HOW i would put it to.
Speaker 3: People it is a product that you have to pay
Speaker 3: a lot of money for to see in person or
Speaker 3: either on your, tablet your, laptop or YOUR. Tv now
Speaker 3: it's not scripted to that, level but at the end
Speaker 3: of the, day it is still. Entertainment so you have
Speaker 3: to figure out a way to compartmentalize how you want
Speaker 3: to prioritize this level of potential stress in your. Life
Speaker 3: because if you have a bunch of adults out there
Speaker 3: who are huffing an puffing and just want to go
Speaker 3: sit out in the rain and scream into the void
Speaker 3: like they're On Garden state and Trash, bags good. POLL
Speaker 3: i think we have a pretty big problem With.
Speaker 1: YEAH i, mean look and, again you, know it's one
Speaker 1: of the great things about fans in our. State they
Speaker 1: feel very strongly about the teams they, support and whether
Speaker 1: it's The jazz or college football AND rsl Or Utah Hockey.
Speaker 1: CLUB i feel like the fans in our state are
Speaker 1: very passionate about the teams they support and in a
Speaker 1: way feel like those teams represent something to the rest
Speaker 1: of the world that, maybe you, know can shield the
Speaker 1: oddities that our state. Entails and so maybe if The
Speaker 1: jazz are, good then we're. Okay maybe if B yu
Speaker 1: football wins were not weird a billion.
Speaker 3: Percent that is WHY i think when The Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 3: show exploded onto the scene, here that's why he resonated
Speaker 3: with people at a level that really no other professional
Speaker 3: athlete really ever has. Before and the inferiority, complex which
Speaker 3: we've talked about ad nauseum on your show the last few,
Speaker 3: years is on full display in the wake of, this you,
Speaker 3: know of these lottery, results and we're talking about historically
Speaker 3: a pretty pervasive culture that is A us versus them.
Speaker 3: Mentality AND i don't think we want to get into
Speaker 3: the anthropological levels of that on The drive On wednesday
Speaker 3: on a Rainy, wednesday but it is easy for a
Speaker 3: lot of folks here to cry foul when they believe
Speaker 3: that schemes are at. Play let's just say, that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's so difficult to talk about this with any
Speaker 1: sort of nuance without sounding like you're being insensitive to
Speaker 1: a fan base right now that feels like they've been.
Speaker 1: Screwed BECAUSE i get it where it's not just a one,
Speaker 1: off it's ten times in the. Lottery, ever moving up
Speaker 1: with it's ten times in lottery without getting that magic.
Speaker 1: Ticket but for every piece of quote unquote proof for,
Speaker 1: evidence you feel like you have to indicate the fixes.
Speaker 1: IN i can throw twenty pieces at you to indicate
Speaker 1: that it very much is not. Like the team that
Speaker 1: by far at this point has benefited most from the
Speaker 1: lottery is The San Antonio spurs historically, speaking and also
Speaker 1: my favorite city. There you, go, okay, well that's if
Speaker 1: San antonio is for, you then San antonio is for. You,
Speaker 1: Chris i've probably been there six or seven. Times it's
Speaker 1: very much not for, ME i, know and it's very
Speaker 1: much not for most of the people in pro. Basketball
Speaker 1: you could make an argument That San antonio is the
Speaker 1: worst market in THE.
Speaker 2: Nba not even.
Speaker 3: Kidding let's quantify.
Speaker 1: Worst, Okay, well it's, boring it's not very, big it's
Speaker 1: not very. Fun there's not a lot to. Do you
Speaker 1: can only eat nachos and walk around the river walk
Speaker 1: so many. Times it has Excellent mexican, food doesn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of, culture and MOST nba players have never
Speaker 1: really chosen to land there via free. Agency it's not
Speaker 1: really unlike us when it comes to the view of
Speaker 1: the city across the landscape of pro, Basketball San antonio
Speaker 1: has benefited from the lottery more than.
Speaker 2: ANYONE i don't think it's a.
Speaker 1: Debate if you want to throw some other teams in,
Speaker 1: there It's, cleveland which is also on the short list Of,
Speaker 1: HEY i don't really want to live. There it's The
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Pelicans New. ORLEANS i Like New. Orleans i'm
Speaker 1: not here to knock on every.
Speaker 3: City but the point, Is minnesota's got the number one
Speaker 3: pick twice in the last.
Speaker 2: Decade orlando is another.
Speaker 1: One and you, know folks around here probably Here orlando
Speaker 1: and they, think Oh, Disney, No Central, florida much different.
Speaker 9: Thing.
Speaker 1: Correct the fact of the matter is it hasn't been The,
Speaker 1: lakers it hasn't been The, heat it hasn't been The.
Speaker 1: Knicks When zion was available to be drafted number. One,
Speaker 1: overall The knicks had the best chance to get the
Speaker 1: number one.
Speaker 3: Pick it goes to The.
Speaker 1: Pelicans the majority of the teams that have benefited most
Speaker 1: from the lottery system are not Big mark could destinate some.
Speaker 2: Cities so the whole like it's. Fixed it's rigged to
Speaker 2: what end to benefit The spurs and the, Calves, like
Speaker 2: give me a.
Speaker 3: Break, well how often have The jazz been in the
Speaker 3: driver's seat to even get a top pick in the
Speaker 3: last forty?
Speaker 7: Years not?
Speaker 1: Often less than, five not. Often, yeah it's got to
Speaker 1: be less than a. Handful yeah.
Speaker 3: Did darren? Year did they didn't they move up to Get? Darren?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they moved up five to three to three.
Speaker 3: Okay and Then canter moved up to. Two. OKAY i
Speaker 3: THINK i Think canter was three, okay moved up to three.
Speaker 3: Okay but those were. Right those were two times where
Speaker 3: like The jazz weren't supposed To so the one time
Speaker 3: that it's supposed to go their way and it, doesn't
Speaker 3: we're Gonna we're gonna go to these. Lengths let's be, honest. Guys,
Speaker 3: Yeah and this this goes into the point That i've
Speaker 3: been making for a long time is you've existed in
Speaker 3: that mushy. Middle you've existed in the forty to fifty
Speaker 3: five win range for thirty years off and. On now
Speaker 3: that's the reason why you're not in the. Mix and
Speaker 3: the one year you've decided to get in the, mix
Speaker 3: it doesn't go your. WAY i get, It BUT i
Speaker 3: think the one thing AND i did my, homework, MAN
Speaker 3: i did my. NOTES i know you. Did one thing
Speaker 3: that we haven't talked about OR i haven't heard people talk,
Speaker 3: about is you can be frustrated that The jazz didn't
Speaker 3: get the number one overall, pick but if you're A jazz,
Speaker 3: fan you should probably be more frustrated of the recent
Speaker 3: lottery picks that clearly are not panning out that The jazz.
Speaker 3: Made Correct if you're talking About Cody williams tenth last, year,
Speaker 3: who according to a lot of, people could have potentially
Speaker 3: gone number one in a very weak, draft barely could
Speaker 3: play last, YEAR i Think hollinger or somebody had him
Speaker 3: rated as like the worst per stat nerd thing in the, league.
Speaker 2: One of the worst in the history as far as rookies.
Speaker 3: Go Keante George fringe lottery. GUY i think he was
Speaker 3: like the fourteenth or fifteenth or, okay something like. That, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah mid first. Round you know has, talent but clearly
Speaker 3: isn't a top tier. Guy The Taylor hendricks one is
Speaker 3: difficult to judge because of the, injury but the year
Speaker 3: before he got, hurt he was pretty much playing with the,
Speaker 3: stars so like And and my point, is WHILE i
Speaker 3: did my, NOTES i looked at the teams that are
Speaker 3: remaining in THE nba, playoffs and there are a multitude
Speaker 3: of players that were drafted not in the top, five
Speaker 3: that are leading their teams right. Now Steph curry seventh.
Speaker 3: Overall do you know who the second highest remaining player
Speaker 3: who was drafted highest outside of The, celtics so to
Speaker 3: eliminate The, celtics not number? One so you can't Do,
Speaker 3: cat you can't Do ant and No, ant, okay No,
Speaker 3: cat No, ant No. Celtics Jamal murray seventh. Overall then
Speaker 3: you Have halliburton, Twelve sga, Eleventh Mikal bridges, Tenth Jalen williams,
Speaker 3: Twelfth Jimmy butler, Thirtieth Pascal siakam twenty. Seventh like all
Speaker 3: of these guys have gotten to various points of their
Speaker 3: careers by playing generally on bad, teams and then you,
Speaker 3: know as as the story, goes you eventually get to move.
Speaker 3: Up but these are not guys that were considered to
Speaker 3: be can't miss, prospects and here they, ARE i mean The,
Speaker 3: pacers for crying out, loud Have, haliburton who was drafted
Speaker 3: by The, kings and was a fringe lottery. GUY i
Speaker 3: think a lot of people kind of Left Myles turner
Speaker 3: for dead once upon a time as like a potential star,
Speaker 3: player And siakam had a great run In. Toronto they
Speaker 3: acquired him via. Trade my point is is that the
Speaker 3: infrastructure The jazz just simply haven't built since Dealing darren
Speaker 3: or Dealing donovan And rudy.
Speaker 1: One hundred, Percent Jalen bronson thirty, Three Nicole jokic forty, one.
Speaker 3: And The raymond also another. Second it's a really.
Speaker 1: Good point because now the issue with where The jazz
Speaker 1: find themselves because of what you just pointed, out you,
Speaker 1: know the inability so. Far you, Know Walker kessler was
Speaker 1: was in the two and he was in the go bet,
Speaker 1: Trade larry marketing and The mitchell. Trade AND i keep saying,
Speaker 1: this those are the only two Where i'm, like, yeah all,
Speaker 1: Right larry And, Walker, okay we've got those.
Speaker 3: Two but but it's it's still kind of a MAYBE
Speaker 3: i think those.
Speaker 2: Two have have you, KNOW i think they've established.
Speaker 3: It they're, good they, are but are they going to
Speaker 3: be part of the next good? Jest that's a good.
Speaker 1: Question but where The jazz find themselves kind of up
Speaker 1: a creek without a paddle because of Even Isaiah. COLLIER
Speaker 1: i honestly don't know That i'm ready to Say Isaiah
Speaker 1: collier is a ROTATIONAL nba player for a team that's
Speaker 1: trying to. WIN i think he showed some. Things keyante
Speaker 1: leaves a lot of. Questions we'll see what happens With
Speaker 1: taylor when he gets. Healthy, Uh cody has a marathon to.
Speaker 1: Go the problem with the failures so far of building
Speaker 1: up an infrastructure that is appealing to other teams is
Speaker 1: that there are conversations About phoenix blowing. Up there are
Speaker 1: conversations About giannis being willing to be. Traded If boston
Speaker 1: loses tonight with The tatum. Injury they have a new ownership.
Speaker 1: Group they will have a luxury tax bill of over
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars next year just for the right
Speaker 1: to have the. Team, okay so what's going to happen
Speaker 1: on the open market this? Year is there a lot
Speaker 1: of good players are going to be. Available The jazz
Speaker 1: don't have anything to offer outside of draft. Capital and
Speaker 1: if You're, milwaukee you can talk To Oklahoma city about
Speaker 1: their bevy of draft. Picks and also Chet holmgrin And Jalen,
Speaker 1: Williams like you can get two really good young players FROM,
Speaker 1: Okc San antonio Or houston in addition to the same
Speaker 1: draft capital The jazz. Have and so if You're, milwaukee
Speaker 1: The jazz just don't have anything to offer For, Jannis
Speaker 1: they don't have anything to offer For Jalen brown Or Kevin, durant.
Speaker 3: Like they don't have anything to offer.
Speaker 1: Anybody they're not going to be in the, mix and
Speaker 1: so it just continues to be this slow. Build the
Speaker 1: question now Becomes chris And Tim bontemps FROM espn wrote
Speaker 1: a good piece where he quoted a couple of front
Speaker 1: office people in THE. Nba they were celebrating the fact
Speaker 1: that The jazz and The wizard specifically did not get
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick because they don't want to
Speaker 1: see intentional losing. Rewarded so twenty Nineteen Adam silver flattens
Speaker 1: the lottery Odd since, then the worst team in THE
Speaker 1: nba has not sniffed the number one overall pick one.
Speaker 1: Time what do The jazz do? Now do they try
Speaker 1: to change the ethos to actually put their best foot
Speaker 1: forward and what does that even look like with this?
Speaker 3: Roster well, one, well let's touch on what you were just.
Speaker 3: SAYING i don't think they can they have.
Speaker 2: A because they're not good.
Speaker 3: Enough they have a bleep ton of cap. Room BUT
Speaker 3: i don't, know who are you going to convince to
Speaker 3: take a bunch of projects off your? Hands? Now the
Speaker 3: picks you, know like you, know THE Mj MEME fm,
Speaker 3: picks you, know like or that maybe wasn't nameed to
Speaker 3: somebody else.
Speaker 1: But was, Okay BUT i think at the time it
Speaker 1: was bleeped those, kids that's, right which, no but that's
Speaker 1: what it means advocating that.
Speaker 3: What do they have to? Offer they. Don't you're talking
Speaker 3: about a bunch of projects and an one Time All.
Speaker 3: Star AND i know people think That Walker kessler is
Speaker 3: the second coming Of Mark, eaton but he's. Not like
Speaker 3: he's A he's a decent big man who can play
Speaker 3: defense in the MODERN nba where basically nobody plays. Defense
Speaker 3: but does that make a difference when you want to
Speaker 3: become a deep postseason, TEAM i honestly don't, Know LIKE i.
Speaker 3: DON'T i. Don't thinking of the teams that are, LEFT
Speaker 3: i don't know how many of them have the profile
Speaker 3: of a player That Walker kessler. Represents, anyways that's. It
Speaker 3: that's a that's a different. Story My my point is
Speaker 3: we talk about player development with this. Organization look At
Speaker 3: okay Se. Man those players played on really, really really
Speaker 3: bad teams for a long. Time and these are outside Of,
Speaker 3: chet who was a byproduct of being really bad for
Speaker 3: a long. Time these were guys that were drafted late.
Speaker 3: LOTTERY i don't even know where Lou dort was, drafted
Speaker 3: but he developed into a PLAY i, mean, okay so
Speaker 3: you're talking about The, Jalens, sga Lou dort and then
Speaker 3: there they're circuses undrafted see, exactly and their circus of
Speaker 3: very talented role, players all of guys who were, not you,
Speaker 3: know big time lottery. Players The jazz haven't shown the
Speaker 3: ability to develop players even in bad. Seasons, SGA i
Speaker 3: think will always be will be an exception BECAUSE i
Speaker 3: think he was considered the gem of That Chris paul
Speaker 3: dial once upon a, time but he was still no.
Speaker 3: Guarantee so is there a player on This jazz roster
Speaker 3: that has can sniff even remotely the potential of? Anybody let's,
Speaker 3: say and maybe this is unfair to compare them to
Speaker 3: where okayc was four or five years. Ago but it's
Speaker 3: kind of the closest Comp, yeah and is there anybody
Speaker 3: on this roster that has the ceiling that some of
Speaker 3: these guys.
Speaker 2: Have, no the answer is.
Speaker 1: No and it's not unfair to compare The jazz to
Speaker 1: Where Oklahoma city, was or Where detroit, was or Where orlando,
Speaker 1: was because The jazz find themselves in the spot now
Speaker 1: where those teams were when they were trying to get
Speaker 1: back to. Respectability but the problem is those teams were showing.
Speaker 1: Signs when you started to see What shay could be
Speaker 1: as the primary, Guy you're, like all, right they've got something.
Speaker 1: There When caid got, Healthy you're, like they've got something.
Speaker 1: There When pollo showed that he should have been the
Speaker 1: number one pick and Not, Chabari you're, like they've got something.
Speaker 2: There all these teams THAT i use as an.
Speaker 1: Example of them being where The jazz are at three
Speaker 1: four years, ago had signs of improvement and hope that
Speaker 1: this team does not have for the fan. Base so
Speaker 1: if we're in lockstep about the inability to acquire a
Speaker 1: real game changer via trade just based off of what
Speaker 1: you have on the, Roster so what does it look
Speaker 1: like next year if you add five and maybe twenty.
Speaker 2: One they have the twenty first pick as.
Speaker 1: Well but what you don't do is intentionally lose games
Speaker 1: by faking injuries with players or having your seven foot
Speaker 1: or shoot seven threes a. Night what you do do
Speaker 1: is put your best foot forward based off of what
Speaker 1: you have. Here what does that look like if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna if you're not going to intentionally lose games
Speaker 1: like they clearly did this, year and you're not inventing
Speaker 1: injuries for, marketing and you're not inventing injuries For clarkson
Speaker 1: And sexton And, collins and you're playing walker and you're
Speaker 1: actually trying to win because you've now done your calculation
Speaker 1: that tanking does no, good so we might as well
Speaker 1: do our fan base as service and actually show up for.
Speaker 2: Work what does that look like with this? TEAM i
Speaker 2: think it's.
Speaker 3: Great it's best case. Scenario it's a thirty two win,
Speaker 3: team which if we're talking, historically means they might have
Speaker 3: a better chance of What i'm. Saying and you, know you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i grind on a lot of you do, podcasts
Speaker 3: AND i did a big one for you this. WEEK
Speaker 3: i listened to The Zach low. Podcast you listened To
Speaker 3: Zach and the fascinating thing THAT i took away from
Speaker 3: that was teams voted twenty nine to one to flatten the. Curve,
Speaker 3: yes they. Did do you know the one team who did?
Speaker 3: Not is it The Jazz?
Speaker 2: Washington?
Speaker 3: Okay see. Okay Sam presty said the only way for
Speaker 3: a market like ours to get game changing talent is
Speaker 3: through the. Lottery, yeah The jazz voted for.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, Yeah so it just leads you to wonder
Speaker 1: whether or not they're going to change their viewpoint and
Speaker 1: they'll get a good player at, five.
Speaker 3: But they have to get the RIGHT i, mean like
Speaker 3: they just have to get good. Players, yeah so, simple
Speaker 3: and it sounds very LIKE u. Reductive there you, go
Speaker 3: but like they just SIMPLY i don't know who's in
Speaker 3: the scouting, department the front. OFFICE i know everyone was
Speaker 3: obsessed With Danny ainge's ability to draft players because he
Speaker 3: Chose tatum And, brown but it hasn't panned out so,
Speaker 3: far AND i just don't know if any of these
Speaker 3: players on the roster are going to make a leap
Speaker 3: in the next two to three. YEARS i, mean the
Speaker 3: most disheartening thing is that you feel like, now rather
Speaker 3: than being three to five years. Away they could potentially
Speaker 3: be five to seven years.
Speaker 1: Away and As i've talked to you about and other
Speaker 1: guests on this, show the reality is a lot of
Speaker 1: teams have gone through, five, seven, eight nine. Years detroit
Speaker 1: hasn't won a home playoff game since two thousand and.
Speaker 1: EIGHT i Think charlotte's gone twenty one years without a playoff.
Speaker 3: Win.
Speaker 1: Minnesota minnesota just barely won playoff series in back to
Speaker 1: back years for the first time in twenty five. Years
Speaker 1: that bear cap, RIGHT i, mean, so like what the
Speaker 1: reality is of the current, Situation and, LOOK i am
Speaker 1: not here for the Whole, like, hey it took three
Speaker 1: years to break, down now we're.
Speaker 2: Rebuilt shut.
Speaker 1: Up it's so insulting that they would even have the
Speaker 1: nerve to propagate that. Message the reality is that we
Speaker 1: are three years into a project that might take eight
Speaker 1: or nine. Years it might, Okay, now there are lightning
Speaker 1: and bottle situations that happen all the. Time and to
Speaker 1: your point about the list you, read it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to happen at. One it's more likely to happen at.
Speaker 1: One it's more likely to happen to the top. Three
Speaker 1: but based off of the history of this, market our
Speaker 1: best players being mid, lottery late first, round some of
Speaker 1: the Second paul millsapp and, others and other examples as.
Speaker 1: Well you can find diamonds in the. Rough the best
Speaker 1: player in the world was the second round. Pick but
Speaker 1: at this point they have not shown the ability to
Speaker 1: draft and develop well at least this iteration of The
Speaker 1: jazz final question for this. Segment it was posed to
Speaker 1: me earlier on a SHOW i did how long will
Speaker 1: the fans? Ride how long do the fans? Ride in
Speaker 1: this market where we went From john And carl To
Speaker 1: darren And, booze From darren And booze To hayward And,
Speaker 1: favors From hayward And favors To rudy And, mitchell and
Speaker 1: all of those teams are very. Competitive whether you think
Speaker 1: they were championship teams or, NOT i, didn't but they
Speaker 1: were at least. Competitive we are now potentially in for
Speaker 1: the first time that this will take longer than two
Speaker 1: or three.
Speaker 2: Years it's already been. Three how long did jazz fans?
Speaker 3: RIDE i think you could break it down into several.
Speaker 3: Tiers first, off it would behoove the powers that be
Speaker 3: to be clear and concise about what they want to
Speaker 3: do and like say it into a microphone and probably
Speaker 3: avoid the phrase big game hunting.
Speaker 2: At all costs, costs and then Signed Drew. Ubanks it's
Speaker 2: not gonna.
Speaker 3: Work, hey he got. Traded he, did he, did he
Speaker 3: didn't have what it takes to.
Speaker 1: Take but that was their first signing after The Big game.
Speaker 1: Hunting it Was Drew. Ubanks that's.
Speaker 3: Right i'm fascinated to see what tickets, cost to see
Speaker 3: if any of that is more massage to be logical
Speaker 3: for the product that you're selling to a fan base
Speaker 3: that is doesn't suffer fools and understands what good basketball.
Speaker 3: Is it's a big off, season, MAN i, mean like
Speaker 3: you can you can make an argument that this is
Speaker 3: the biggest off season twenty years since Post john And.
Speaker 3: Carl but even Post john And, carl you Had jerry
Speaker 3: That jerry Ak. Bridge you had a little Ak bridge,
Speaker 3: Elbow yeah.
Speaker 2: On the, curl played, football, right.
Speaker 3: BOWLER i just. It it behooves everybody to be transparent
Speaker 3: about what they want to do and when when your,
Speaker 3: guy your, guy which one the guy who screamed into
Speaker 3: the who screamed In, yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey my guy went on on a, run on a.
Speaker 2: Run the sun was rising over.
Speaker 3: The the goal doesn't, CHANGE i would, SAY i would
Speaker 3: ask to say what what that goal? Is and if
Speaker 3: you say build a champ being ship contender In, utah
Speaker 3: then you have to, say, then how.
Speaker 1: Right porter revealed to us that he makes that run every.
Speaker 1: Morning he runs and then as soon as the sun
Speaker 1: rises over The wasatch he lets out an Audible, Porter,
Speaker 1: WELL i know THAT i Know porter, well But ry did.
Speaker 1: Once but that's a daily routine for our. Guy, YEAH
Speaker 1: i told, you maybe not it's at. SUNRISE i might
Speaker 1: BE i might be fast asleep at that. Point nothing
Speaker 1: would have made me more full of joy IF i
Speaker 1: was on a walk With duke in the morning and
Speaker 1: suddenly my guy comes running along just, screaming shirtless or,
Speaker 1: no you think he's wearing the. Shirt, oh he's wearing the,
Speaker 1: shirt long sleeve hat, backwards long, sleep.
Speaker 2: Long sleeve hat.
Speaker 1: Backwards, yeah, okay just sprinting along The Wasatch, mountain sun
Speaker 1: rising audible and like viral yell coming from the bottom
Speaker 1: of the. Garden Garden, State, Ye Garden, STATE i like.
Speaker 1: It what was your reaction when were you watching the?
Speaker 3: LOTTERY i started laughing And amanda was, like why are you,
Speaker 3: laughing AND i was, like oh, MAN i feel for
Speaker 3: my friends and our friends who work over. There, sure
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i think the messaging was a little. Off you,
Speaker 3: know The instagram posts of we like our, odds where it's,
Speaker 3: like you shouldn't because you have fourteen, percent like you
Speaker 3: have an eighty six percent chance of not getting the
Speaker 3: number one? Pixel what are you? Doing we like our?
Speaker 3: Odds that are not. Good but my reaction WAS i
Speaker 3: feel bad for some friends that work over. There and
Speaker 3: then it immediately was a tail spin of embarrassment from
Speaker 3: a lot of local media. Members oh my, god that
Speaker 3: was my favorite. Part everybody was And i'll say, it
Speaker 3: And i'm not going to, swear but it's a it's
Speaker 3: a swear THAT i can say on. Air everybody was
Speaker 3: showing their. Ass, oh for, sure everybody. Was and it
Speaker 3: was the encapsulation of all the bad stereotypes About utah
Speaker 3: in a couple.
Speaker 2: Hours, yeah the local media meltdown may have been my favorite.
Speaker 3: PART i will tell you.
Speaker 1: THIS i felt so bad For, ASHLEY i felt so
Speaker 1: bad For ryan's, LIKE i, DON'T.
Speaker 2: I don't. Know i'm not trying to tell another man
Speaker 2: what to do about a family.
Speaker 1: SITUATION i don't know that you want to Send ashley
Speaker 1: in that scenario LIKE i wanted to reach THE tv
Speaker 1: and give her a.
Speaker 3: HUG i felt so bad for. Her, WELL i, mean
Speaker 3: they'll be there next year and she's gonna be.
Speaker 1: OKAY i, mean look As ryan on his run with
Speaker 1: the visceral, yell, realize we'll.
Speaker 3: See we'll see who represents them next.
Speaker 1: Year let me ask you, this go, ahead if The
Speaker 1: jazz So xanik gave the media the interviews after The
Speaker 1: jazz got, five if The jazz got, one who does?
Speaker 1: MEDIA i would, Say justin And, ryan you know our
Speaker 1: guys up. There oh, yeah and no visceral yell needed after.
Speaker 3: That maybe maybe a different type of visceral, yell maybe
Speaker 3: a holler.
Speaker 1: Bring that's Why gay Sap we'll catch a. Break coming
Speaker 1: up next B yu as a new athletic. Director The
Speaker 1: Big twelve has Their vegas odds released for over. On
Speaker 1: we're going to go through The university Of utah football.
Speaker 1: Schedule chris is gonna tell us win or loss for
Speaker 1: every single. Game let's go some college football coming up
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Speaker 2: is in action.
Speaker 3: Tonight.
Speaker 1: OKAY i know nothing About portland other than they're good this.
Speaker 1: Year do you know anything about?
Speaker 3: THEM i. Don't my hot. Take my hot take is,
Speaker 3: that basically it's the same thing THAT i said last.
Speaker 3: WEEK rsl does one. Thing, okay sometimes they Diego. Luna,
Speaker 3: well sometimes he's so good. Man other than, that they
Speaker 3: don't do. Anything. Well, yeah do you know how many
Speaker 3: FORMER rsl strikers scored On?
Speaker 1: Saturday chi cho Okay, Anderson, yep the. Moose the moose
Speaker 1: is freaking, loose, dude shout Out John. PAUL i, KNOW
Speaker 1: i know the moose got. One the REASON i know
Speaker 1: the moose got one IS i was playing golf With
Speaker 1: elliott and he was celebrating all of his former players playing.
Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: For Saint. Louis he's still. Around, well he was In,
Speaker 3: europe came. Back Saint louis signed. Him he was like San, Diego,
Speaker 3: sorry San diego signed.
Speaker 2: Him he was like a good young. Player so, four,
Speaker 2: okay four FORMER.
Speaker 3: RSLs, WELL i guess and we can count if we're
Speaker 3: counting former. Players albert scored. Two we got to count.
Speaker 3: Out so five FORMER rsl players scored and first start
Speaker 3: for your for your, guy Big Willie, Goles yeah he
Speaker 3: is my. Guy did? It how did it? Go didn't go?
Speaker 1: WELL a couple of yells guys out. Tonight Johnny russell
Speaker 1: available for selection this. EVENING i, believe big. Deal that
Speaker 1: is a big. DEAL i think they win. Tonight uh,
Speaker 1: no they lose two one diego.
Speaker 3: Scores they. Lose, Yeah i'll, Go i'll do. THAT i
Speaker 3: mean he has seven goals and then and everyone. OUT
Speaker 3: i think the second leading score on the team is
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys tied for.
Speaker 1: One that is, correct including our. Guys sam, junka who's
Speaker 1: the backup left?
Speaker 3: Back, yep AND i AND i get that they are
Speaker 3: in dire straits on the back. LINE i Think gladys
Speaker 3: suspended or somebody's one defender suspended because of yellow card.
Speaker 3: Accumulation then a bunch of other dudes are. OUT i
Speaker 3: DON'T i, MEAN i don't. KNOW i haven't, heard But
Speaker 3: vera gotta be out for a. While, dude that was
Speaker 3: a tough. KNOCK i, KNOW i bring it up every,
Speaker 3: week but, shit shoot my, bad we did. It we
Speaker 3: did it shooting.
Speaker 2: Bad it's only taken four, years that's, Right it's all.
Speaker 3: Good you can send me the.
Speaker 1: Bill, no you Realize Amy donaldson swears every time she's
Speaker 1: on the, show so you're in good.
Speaker 2: Company but, so, yeah, big we did, it, big Big willie.
Speaker 3: Goals at least it wasn't the other.
Speaker 1: One, no, no, No and you, know we really should
Speaker 1: operate with a dumb. Button but you, KNOW i guess
Speaker 1: that's not in the. Budget so you're gonna go to One.
Speaker 1: Portland i'll go to On Portland diego scores in the.
Speaker 1: Rain Is diego already better than you thought he could ever?
Speaker 6: Be?
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah but like you saw what he was capable
Speaker 3: of when he played With chico And gomez last year
Speaker 3: because he was scoring goals and. ASSISTING i think at one,
Speaker 3: point like he, LIKE i think at this time last
Speaker 3: year he already had like ten. ASSISTS i think he
Speaker 3: has zero assists this. YEAR i think he has seven
Speaker 3: goals and zero. Assists let's, see which is kind of
Speaker 3: emblematic of the metaphor of carrying a team on your.
Speaker 3: Shoulders let's see the.
Speaker 1: Stats, well just you, know pulling up the stats computers
Speaker 1: running little slow. Today, yeah seven, goals and you know
Speaker 1: every goal he scores is like a wonder. Strike you,
Speaker 1: know they're not just like tap ins or, Whatever like
Speaker 1: who was the was? It euromuff's an who just seemed
Speaker 1: like every game he would just kind of that's a
Speaker 1: great pull for tapping seven goals to assists for as, okay,
Speaker 1: uh Does diego?
Speaker 2: Suck is he just not?
Speaker 3: Good he doesn't suck because if he, sucked he wouldn't
Speaker 3: be a professional on one of the better lower level
Speaker 3: teams In. EUROPE i think you have to be somewhat
Speaker 3: of an alpha if you want to come in as
Speaker 3: an attacking player IN mls at THE dp, spot and
Speaker 3: it doesn't even need to be Like. Ambiance you just
Speaker 3: have to. Deliver LIKE i think Of, Albert like When albert,
Speaker 3: came he Was hobby's. Replacement he had huge shoes to
Speaker 3: fill and it was an impossible. Job but if you
Speaker 3: look at his stat record during his time, here like
Speaker 3: six or seven, years the dude scored a lot of
Speaker 3: goals and like really really. GOOD i mean like really.
Speaker 3: Good and if that's going to be kind of how
Speaker 3: you carry yourself on the. Field you don't need to
Speaker 3: be the loudest person in the locker. Room you don't
Speaker 3: need to be you, know your GUY kb, Five you
Speaker 3: don't need to be throwing your weight. Around but if
Speaker 3: you're an attacking, player, man you got to. Produce AND
Speaker 3: i THINK i think we said we talked about this last,
Speaker 3: week but the summer transfer windows signings from last summer
Speaker 3: are no bueno right?
Speaker 1: Now, YEAH i mean, Yeah diego's the bright, spot a.
Speaker 1: Mecca shout out innate bench and uh oh. Hato those
Speaker 1: two central holding mids are.
Speaker 3: Good they're very.
Speaker 1: Good there's just nothing up top and there's no answer
Speaker 1: on the. ROSTER i, MEAN i try to wax positive
Speaker 1: about the. CLUB i just it's hard to right.
Speaker 3: Now do you Think i'm gonna flip the script on?
Speaker 3: You oh? Wow do you think The millers are going
Speaker 3: to splash the cash this summer for a high profile?
Speaker 3: PLAYER i do.
Speaker 1: Now the question THAT i keep coming back to is
Speaker 1: whether or, Not and it might be too. Late it
Speaker 1: might be too late because the academy has developed and
Speaker 1: the ethos that.
Speaker 2: DEVELOPED i just, wonder.
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i Know steve Starts Steve's seve wants to. Win
Speaker 1: he's a competitive. Dude he you, know, LIKE i think
Speaker 1: there's PROBABLY i don't know this for, sure BUT i
Speaker 1: wonder how The millers would articulate the Way ryan is
Speaker 1: running The jazz and their decision to lose on purpose
Speaker 1: That millers never wanted to do. That they always wanted
Speaker 1: to try to put a competitive team on the. Floor
Speaker 1: AND i know there are jazz fans listening that will probably, say,
Speaker 1: well they never play luxury tax AND i understand, that
Speaker 1: but WHENEVER i hear the whole, like, well The millers
Speaker 1: aren't going to invest in soccer because they wouldn't pay
Speaker 1: luxury tax in THE. Nba luxury tax in THE nba
Speaker 1: is one hundred and eighty million dollars spend twenty or
Speaker 1: thirty on the. CLUB i think they'll do, That, Yeah
Speaker 1: BUT i wonder if at some point anybody will say
Speaker 1: out loud, like maybe we don't lean in only to
Speaker 1: developing young players and then moving them.
Speaker 2: On maybe we want some good players. Here that's my.
Speaker 3: HOPE i, Yeah and to your, point they bought a
Speaker 3: franchise that is one of the worst in The Western
Speaker 3: conference right now in A, nwsl they have the worst
Speaker 3: team in THE nwa sell right. Now sooner or, later
Speaker 3: the rubber is going to have to meet the road
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to see some infusion of fiscal
Speaker 3: means to upgrade the. Roster there's no other way there
Speaker 3: That it's it, like, yes keep the academy. Going there.
Speaker 3: Will they will churn out some players every once in a,
Speaker 3: while but it doesn't work at the level that it
Speaker 3: does In. Europe and you have to be able to
Speaker 3: convince your fan base that you give a damn about.
Speaker 2: Him are you watching so welcome To. Wrexham do you watch?
Speaker 3: THAT i do?
Speaker 1: Not you do?
Speaker 2: Not are you Anti Ryan reynolds and the other dude
Speaker 2: Or rob whatever his Name.
Speaker 3: Iscaling it's not That i'm ANTI i just don't have
Speaker 3: a lot of bandwidth for it right. Now, YEAH i
Speaker 3: just watched more depressing. Stuff are you all caught up
Speaker 3: ON U? Gems?
Speaker 2: Sounds?
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah we finished.
Speaker 1: IT i still have the, finale. OKAY i was out
Speaker 1: of town last. Week are we saying finale or finale
Speaker 1: finale okay OR i don't? Know sounds sounds sophisticated the final.
Speaker 2: Iteration did you Watch goggins ON? Snl we?
Speaker 3: Did, yes that's pretty. FUNNY i Love, Goggins Baby billy
Speaker 3: will BE i think one of the top characters IN tv.
Speaker 3: HISTORY i like him In, fallout and that's probably not
Speaker 3: really up up your, avenue but it's a it's a
Speaker 3: video game, show post apocalyptic pretty, good, okay plays a
Speaker 3: dude with out a face and.
Speaker 1: Knows but, YEAH i Love. Goggins, yeah no principles. Too,
Speaker 1: INDEED i did catch a LITTLE snl At. Goggins BUT
Speaker 1: i GOT i got to finish THE i have to
Speaker 1: finish the final episode Of, gemstones AND i have two
Speaker 1: left of. Severance WHAT i HAD i didn't. FINISH i
Speaker 1: had not. INTENTIONALLY i just had some traveling AND i
Speaker 1: got behind AND i had to watch like four straight
Speaker 1: two weeks ago And i've got two more, left So
Speaker 1: i'll get that. Done B yu as a new athletic.
Speaker 1: Director his name Is Brian. SANTIAGO i don't Know brian.
Speaker 1: Well i've met him a couple of. TIMES i played
Speaker 1: in a group behind him At Steve young's charity golf
Speaker 1: tournament name drop FLEX byu, Fans what, up how's the?
Speaker 3: Swing good? Player? Yeah good.
Speaker 1: PLAYER i have been surprised to both hear from PRIVATELY
Speaker 1: byu fans and then read ONLINE byu fans not react
Speaker 1: positively to this. Hire but from WHAT i can, ascertain
Speaker 1: the feel is LIKE i was at The wilkin line
Speaker 1: for chocolate milk And santiago did not say hi to.
Speaker 1: ME i was waiting in line For cougar Tail Lavelle.
Speaker 1: EDWARDS i Saw. SANTIAGO i tried to say, hello and
Speaker 1: he kept.
Speaker 3: Walking he handed me the razor and said go shave.
Speaker 2: Correctly that's that's the FEEL i.
Speaker 1: GET i haven't heard anything like this won't work because
Speaker 1: he's not good at his, job or this won't work
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have good. Relationships it's the feel of
Speaker 1: church ran over and he left without saying hello to our,
Speaker 1: family like it's it's weird personal, interaction like he doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to have the reputation of a very nice. Guy,
Speaker 1: Okay and here's the it doesn't, Matter, no it, doesn't
Speaker 1: and we. Do that's another thing that we do here
Speaker 1: that drives me. Crazy like if you had one interaction
Speaker 1: At Jay doggs In provo where he took your barbecue
Speaker 1: sauce and you had to ask for, more it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's not going to be good at his.
Speaker 2: Job that's the FEEL i get.
Speaker 1: That that's kind of the take on the Higher what
Speaker 1: he is my understanding is very good friends With Ryan
Speaker 1: smith And Danny. Ainge and that's fine because this really
Speaker 1: is a relationship. Business and if you're going to be
Speaker 1: an ad at A p four institution in the current
Speaker 1: landscape of collegiate, athletics your number one qualification is are
Speaker 1: you friends with rich? People and Without Ryan smith And Danny,
Speaker 1: Ainge Kevin young's not the head coach AT. Byu and
Speaker 1: in one, Year Kevin young has turned that thing into something,
Speaker 1: that if it keeps, ticking is going to be really really.
Speaker 1: Good SO i don't know if you could add any
Speaker 1: context of this whole, situation but that's kind of my
Speaker 1: understanding of where we're at with this new.
Speaker 3: HIRE i don't Know brian at, all and THAT i
Speaker 3: did not know that there is a undercurrent of, frustration
Speaker 3: can we, say or. Dissatisfaction.
Speaker 2: Dissatisfaction, yeah, Well.
Speaker 3: I'll go on a tangent for. You once upon a
Speaker 3: time somebody did hand me a razor at b Y
Speaker 3: u and, said you have to go shave or else
Speaker 3: you can't be allowed into this. Dance, wow guess WHAT i?
Speaker 2: Did are you snuck?
Speaker 10: In?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah that's a boy because you weren't a student down.
Speaker 3: There, no come, on they were, like here's, this here's
Speaker 3: this ninety nine cent razor that will slice your skin. Off,
Speaker 3: no no shaving. Cream did you have the thick sea?
Speaker 3: Cakes so? Thick but it was thick enough like yours
Speaker 3: where it was like it was gonna. Hurt, Yeah SO
Speaker 3: i just went into the, bathroom faked, it came, around came,
Speaker 3: out and snuck. In, anyways was it a?
Speaker 7: Linger?
Speaker 2: Longer it was a?
Speaker 3: Linger it was.
Speaker 2: Okay important, Context.
Speaker 3: Brian santiago has very big shoes to, fill and maybe
Speaker 3: there is a portion of the fan base that is
Speaker 3: nervous that he may not be able to live up
Speaker 3: to the expectations and the types of. HIRES i Mean Tom,
Speaker 3: holmo the guy really oversaw tumultuous, change good and bad
Speaker 3: for the amount of time he was, there like going
Speaker 3: through The route Of, independence which was much maligned by
Speaker 3: a lot of folks here. Locally you, know B yu
Speaker 3: fans in my life still are angry about. It but
Speaker 3: the dude made, hires and when you make hires generally
Speaker 3: things work. Out so to your, Point Brian santiago's number
Speaker 3: one thing on his list has to be maintain relationships
Speaker 3: with those heavy, hitters the guys who open up their,
Speaker 3: checkbooks and when the time, comes you have to figure
Speaker 3: out who's going to, be you, know leading your profitable,
Speaker 3: programs because if you have the right people in, place
Speaker 3: you're going to be okay more often than.
Speaker 1: Not AND i think one of the frustrations that's been
Speaker 1: shared to me with people who are close TO Byu
Speaker 1: athletics and who it's very close to their hearts AND
Speaker 1: byu fans are.
Speaker 3: Very, passionate they love their.
Speaker 1: TEAMS i think one of the things that they were
Speaker 1: expecting based off OF i think It's shane rees excuse,
Speaker 1: me See Shane, reese, period president OF. Byu three months,
Speaker 1: ago When tom announced his, retirement he, said, okay National,
Speaker 1: search we are interviewing big, hitters heavy hitters across the.
Speaker 1: Country and you know whether It's scott, O'Neill who was
Speaker 1: with The sixers and now is THE ceo Of live
Speaker 1: or the NAME i threw out Was Brian, rolap who
Speaker 1: Is Roger goodell's like right hand.
Speaker 2: MAN i don't know how realistic that. Is brian lives In, Darien.
Speaker 1: Connecticut he's in my family's, stake and so we know
Speaker 1: the rolapse and the feeling is When goodell has. Done
Speaker 1: Brian rolap could be the commissioner of THE, nfl but
Speaker 1: he's A mormon. Dude B yu GUY, lds excuse, me
Speaker 1: AND i think they were. EXPECTING i THINK byu fans
Speaker 1: were expecting some, big heavy hitter from somewhere else in
Speaker 1: the country that has run pro teams that has Like scott.
Speaker 1: O'Neil would have been a great, call BUT i Think
Speaker 1: scott is comfortable where he's, at And scott is a
Speaker 1: dynamic sports professional who's a really good. Dude would have
Speaker 1: been a great, hire but there may have been like
Speaker 1: an over expectation of what the athletic DIRECTOR byu means
Speaker 1: and you're not going to leave your job as the
Speaker 1: number two at THE nfl to go RUN byu.
Speaker 2: Athletics you're just. Not So it's like everything else we talk.
Speaker 1: ABOUT i think the expectation was up, here AND i
Speaker 1: think The santiago news kind of caught people in an underwhelming.
Speaker 3: Fashion do you think the precedent of them being able
Speaker 3: to steal the hire Of Kevin young maybe set their
Speaker 3: mind in.
Speaker 2: Motion maybe where their point if.
Speaker 3: We can get the guy who is going to be
Speaker 3: the next BIG nba head, coach why can't we get
Speaker 3: the guy who is A gm of a major sports
Speaker 3: franchise to run our athletic. Department? MAYBE i, mean it
Speaker 3: seemed like conventional wisdom always pointed To. Santiago in this
Speaker 3: day and, AGE i think it would be very difficult
Speaker 3: for somebody who has not been in the room on
Speaker 3: a day to day basis during this insane amount of
Speaker 3: change to come in and be, Like, yeah let me
Speaker 3: learn about this ongoing house settlement versus THE ncaa that
Speaker 3: is changing at every basic turn every single. Day tell
Speaker 3: me about, nil tell me about, this and That Brian
Speaker 3: santiago has been in all those meetings for ad nauseum,
Speaker 3: forever so he.
Speaker 1: Knows twenty seven years, ago came TO byu as a
Speaker 1: member Of Steve cleveland's staff on the basketball, SIDE i
Speaker 1: believe you can Hear Steve cleveland breaking down basketball in
Speaker 1: the market somewhere. Mornings and then twenty years Ago tom Hires.
Speaker 1: BRIAN i don't know how long he was the associate A,
Speaker 1: d BUT i do know he was one Of tom's
Speaker 1: right hand men for twenty. Years, Yeah and to your,
Speaker 1: point to Watch tom traverse the space and learn from
Speaker 1: him on the, job my guest would Be tom probably
Speaker 1: lobbied for it to Have santiago get the. Gig there's
Speaker 1: this narrative out there That Brian santiago was like their
Speaker 1: sixth or seventh.
Speaker 2: CHOICE i can't speak to.
Speaker 1: That but the position of athletic DIRECTOR i don't think
Speaker 1: is as appealing of a job as most people fully
Speaker 1: believe would it.
Speaker 3: BE i Don't and especially, listen, man you have to
Speaker 3: understand what you're getting into at a school like B
Speaker 3: yu for the good and for the. Difficulty, well, right
Speaker 3: like the fact that they've been able to write the,
Speaker 3: ship so to, speak With kilane higher and Bringing Kevin
Speaker 3: ky being able to bring them, on but just the
Speaker 3: entire landscape of what you're. Facing you have to understand
Speaker 3: what you're going to have to do on a day
Speaker 3: to day. Basis bringing in somebody Who scott O'Neill's where's
Speaker 3: he At sixers Or?
Speaker 1: Flyers scott, O'Neil NOW i believe is THE ceo Of Live,
Speaker 1: golf but he was, running, yeah The flyers and The. Sixers,
Speaker 1: okay so he's got That saudi money now like he's
Speaker 1: say what you want about? It we can and we,
Speaker 1: have BUT i don't Think scott's leaving that to be
Speaker 1: the ad of by.
Speaker 3: Exactly AND i Don't we CAN'T gramdma Or foyer request
Speaker 3: what these guys are being paid because they are at
Speaker 3: a private. Institution my guess would be it would be
Speaker 3: a step down for a lot of folks who are
Speaker 3: in the professional, realm especially if he's getting that live.
Speaker 3: Money so it just made sense for the guy to
Speaker 3: Follow tom as somebody who has basically been with him
Speaker 3: for the last several.
Speaker 1: Years do you Recall And i'm honestly asking to ask
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i was thinking about this WHEN i was getting
Speaker 1: these texts FROM byu fans, like, hey you're going to
Speaker 1: talk about The santiago. Stuff, well, yeah he's the idea AT. Byu,
Speaker 1: okay well he's not very, nice he's this or that or.
Speaker 1: Whatever and then some of the online stuff where there
Speaker 1: are people that are very outward about like how mad
Speaker 1: they are that this was the. DEAL i did not know.
Speaker 2: THIS i got to dive, In, yeah dive, in and you,
Speaker 2: know just the position of athletic.
Speaker 1: DIRECTOR i don't know how much context or Color i've
Speaker 1: douted the conversation, nationwide but there have been a lot
Speaker 1: of youth fans that have soured On. MARK a lot
Speaker 1: of youth fans have soured On Mark carlin AND I
Speaker 1: i'll continue to Say mark personally has always been good to.
Speaker 1: Me comes on the, show he answers, questions all that.
Speaker 1: Stuff the whole postgame presser after THE Byu utah football
Speaker 1: game was just a really odd choice that did not
Speaker 1: land well with, anybody INCLUDING yout, fans and it left
Speaker 1: him open for a ton of criticism FROM byu. FANS
Speaker 1: i still would have loved to be a fly on
Speaker 1: the wall When brett Or mark woke up and, said
Speaker 1: what are you? Kidding, LIKE i actually Think mark got
Speaker 1: off pretty easy based off of what he had to.
Speaker 1: Say so do you do you feel like there has
Speaker 1: been a little bit of a change of a feel
Speaker 1: in the community About Mark carlan at?
Speaker 2: All is that landed all with?
Speaker 1: You AND i don't know if it's the ad just
Speaker 1: being an easy target for people because sports fans are.
Speaker 3: So, crazy anybody who's in charge is going to bear
Speaker 3: the brunt of a lot of grief that that folks.
Speaker 3: HAVE i think it's hard to, say it's hard to
Speaker 3: just down to the corn the corners of of the
Speaker 3: very sad existence of sports internet as. Well but, LISTEN
Speaker 3: i Think utah fans wanted the Running utes to be
Speaker 3: resurrected for a long time and they. Got they got
Speaker 3: pretty much everybody wanted to be, hired As Alex, Jensen
Speaker 3: Kyle whittingham's just gonna keep doing it until he decides
Speaker 3: to ride his motorcycle. Forever and they've Been they've been
Speaker 3: raising money for for you, know facilities and all that.
Speaker 3: Stuff you. Know ONE i think you can say a
Speaker 3: a misstep IS i think the collective got off to
Speaker 3: a slower start when it When nil really took. Off
Speaker 3: So i'm interested to see how that goes and see
Speaker 3: How utah handles, when, if and when The house settlement
Speaker 3: gets finalized and everybody's allotted that twenty point five, million
Speaker 3: How mark and his staff decide to really break that
Speaker 3: down to various teams and players on their athletic.
Speaker 1: Rosters, yeah AND i do think there's another, thing AND
Speaker 1: i don't think it's as and we've kind of discussed.
Speaker 1: THIS i don't think it's as prevalent with The university
Speaker 1: Of utah as it is WITH. Byu because EVEN i
Speaker 1: listened to the introductory press conference earlier today Where President
Speaker 1: reese And Brian santiago addressed the media and address the,
Speaker 1: contingent and it really is steeped in we needed A byu,
Speaker 1: Guy we needed A Byu blue, Guy and even the
Speaker 1: religious dogmatic language is used like we need somebody who
Speaker 1: Loves jesus like they talk like. That so we need
Speaker 1: A byu guy who's going to further the message Of,
Speaker 1: jesus who's going to foster a community of disciple graduates
Speaker 1: who move on and make a difference in the. World
Speaker 1: SO i know that's more unique to forty five miles
Speaker 1: down south and isn't as prevalent.
Speaker 3: Here In Salt.
Speaker 1: Lake but is there a little bit of a feel
Speaker 1: you think That mark isn't necessarily a guy that is
Speaker 1: A utah. GUY i Saw lake. GUY i mean Doctor
Speaker 1: hill wasn't either that, point BUT i. Was but ALSO
Speaker 1: i wanted to ask, YOU i don't recall. IT i
Speaker 1: was in THE i was in the media When Doctor
Speaker 1: hill was the ad BECAUSE i can remember when he
Speaker 1: And monson had their thing right and, well right, Right
Speaker 1: BUT i was doing radio part of the time When
Speaker 1: Doctor hill came out and Said gordon wrote a piece
Speaker 1: criticizing BECAUSE i don't know that Doctor hill really ever
Speaker 1: wanted to PLAY byu and. Anything i'm not speaking for.
Speaker 1: HIM i just don't think he was a big fan
Speaker 1: of that. Dynamic monson writes this huge piece like Doctor
Speaker 1: hill's wrong Here chris comes out with a whole like
Speaker 1: self serving. Media after a, While chris agreed to come
Speaker 1: on our show and it was really, frosty and that
Speaker 1: was doing radio With, gordon which made it a lot of.
Speaker 1: Fun Did Doctor hill seem to have the same sort
Speaker 1: of criticism levied his way from the community or maybe
Speaker 1: the social media gives.
Speaker 3: People social media gives people. Voices once upon a, time
Speaker 3: there was a very public back and forth Between chris
Speaker 3: And kyle during some contract, stuff and are you know my,
Speaker 3: colleagues some of my closest, Friends Matt piper And Kyle
Speaker 3: goon were on the beat, then and it got pretty
Speaker 3: frosty and contentious publicly between those. Two but one THING
Speaker 3: i would say About chris is, that like he understood
Speaker 3: that things could get, sideways but like it helps everybody
Speaker 3: out to like sit down and talk it out as
Speaker 3: adults in private and on the. Record and there's a
Speaker 3: reason why he was so good at what he did
Speaker 3: for such a long time is because when you have
Speaker 3: a working relationship that is as unique as the media
Speaker 3: that's covering an institution and the guy in charge of
Speaker 3: calling the shots of a multi million dollar athletic, department
Speaker 3: it's not always going to be. Roses AND i think
Speaker 3: one thing that's been kind of missed here is that
Speaker 3: because a, store a story may come out that's not
Speaker 3: portraying your university or your team in a very glowing,
Speaker 3: light is not a personal. Thing sometimes facts can be.
Speaker 3: Facts BUT i think, unfortunately and especially in this, market
Speaker 3: we've had this kind of shift towards media members who
Speaker 3: are always going to put a spin on it that
Speaker 3: makes the people or the team or the institution that
Speaker 3: they're covering seem like they can do no. Wrong and
Speaker 3: that is not the right way of doing the job you.
Speaker 3: Have but that is where that. Is that is for
Speaker 3: the reality. Checkpot, well you AND i are on the same,
Speaker 3: page all.
Speaker 1: Right i've kept you too, long AND i know that
Speaker 1: you need to get home to watch the well and
Speaker 1: you also want to watch The nicks advance to The
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals for the first time in twenty five.
Speaker 3: Years question BEFORE i, go what do you? Got what
Speaker 3: Is Brian santiago's First halloween? Costume it won't be near
Speaker 3: as good As, Tom's i'll tell you that. Much it
Speaker 3: will not get to see a c kes rsselling.
Speaker 1: Action tonight seven Thirty Mountain times taking On portland's random midweek.
Speaker 1: Game fortunately the weather is not, great but apparently sell
Speaker 1: out crowded out At America First. Field we'll see if
Speaker 1: either The celtics or The warriors can survive and, advance
Speaker 1: or The knicks and the T wolves can make their
Speaker 1: way through to the next. Round Adam, rittenberg in addition
Speaker 1: To Eli letterman And Max, olson released their off season
Speaker 1: rankings FOR p four football, teams which is totally a new.
Speaker 1: Thing so in The big, twelve real, quick their assertion
Speaker 1: Is Texas tech had the best. Offseason at two Is Arizona,
Speaker 1: state at, Three baylor, Four Iowa, state, five K state SIX,
Speaker 1: tcu and at seven is The university Of utah Eight CINCINNATI.
Speaker 1: Byu so there you. Go seven point five wins is
Speaker 1: the over runner FOR byu. Football this excuse me For,
Speaker 1: utah well For utah AND byu. Football this year The
Speaker 1: vegas over hunder seven point five. Wins it's a little
Speaker 1: off season college, football which is always always. Fun all,
Speaker 1: Right Porter, Tomorrow are you talking about The New York
Speaker 1: knicks in The Eastern Conference?
Speaker 3: FINALS i think. SO i think.
Speaker 4: So obviously we've talked a lot about The celtics and
Speaker 4: the fact that they're Not they're not going to go down.
Speaker 4: EASY i just you, KNOW i think Without Jason, tatum
Speaker 4: they do not have and this is kind of crazy saying,
Speaker 4: this they don't have the roster to beat The, knicks,
Speaker 4: right but with Og, anobi with mckel, bridges With Jalen,
Speaker 4: brunson With Karl Anthony towns length with With Mitchell, robinson
Speaker 4: giving The celtics fits in certain moment right when you
Speaker 4: see them having to kind of go to the hack
Speaker 4: Of mitchell thing because he's giving their big so, much
Speaker 4: is so many. Issues you need to be at full,
Speaker 4: strength and you definitely have to have your best. Player
Speaker 4: and it sounds crazy as A knicks fan verbalizing, this
Speaker 4: BUT i think that they Need Jason tatum in order
Speaker 4: to beat this, team especially coming down.
Speaker 3: From three to.
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