WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.240 --> 00:00:04.960 All right, let's get a drivetime Wednesday afternoon, fourteen minutes 2 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:06.400 past the hour at two o'clock. 3 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:09.080 It is rainy, it is cold. 4 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:10.960 When I woke up to walk the dog, it was 5 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:12.519 thirty seven degrees. 6 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:14.160 In the month of May. 7 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:17.000 It's about forty eight degrees, but rainy and cold here 8 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:19.920 in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. A little bit of 9 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:22.679 a cold front yesterday, today, throughout the course of most 10 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:24.839 of the week. But as it is every single day, 11 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:27.679 it's good to have you along for the ride. Spence check, 12 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:30.679 it's beyond my Porter Larsen, beyond the glass today. You 13 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:34.240 are halfway through that work week. You're one day closer 14 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:36.719 to the weekend. We got a jam packed Wednesday show 15 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:37.399 for you guys. 16 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.039 It features a game day for Rayal Salt Lake. 17 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:46.079 URSEL actually is in action tonight seven thirty Mountain Time Kick. 18 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.479 As far as the local stuff goes, they're going to. 19 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.119 Welcome in Portland. They've played really well this year. Oursel's 20 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.119 been on the road. I'm told that even with the 21 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:58.200 weather like it is tonight, inclement weather, notwithstanding a sell 22 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:01.880 out crowd expected America first few out in Sandy so 23 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:02.960 URSL is in action. 24 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:03.399 Tonight. 25 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:08.840 NBA playoffs continue tonight after a fun night last night 26 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:12.680 both the Boston Celtics and the Golden State Warriors. We'll 27 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:15.879 try to stave off elimination. It is staving season in 28 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.680 pro basketball. The New York Knicks looking to advance, the 29 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:22.439 Minnesota Timberwolves looking to advance. We'll get to some of 30 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.680 that on the show today. Get you ready for the 31 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:28.560 games tonight. Talk about what we saw last night where 32 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:31.439 the Indiana Pacers are just red hot at the right 33 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:34.480 time of year and for the eighth straight season, I 34 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.480 think it's eight straight years. Donovan Mitchell will go home 35 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:41.079 before the conference finals. Cleveland Cavaliers have some decisions to make. 36 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:46.200 Donovan dropping f bombs during his postgame press conference. 37 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:47.120 He will have none of. 38 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.319 What you will write about the Cleveland Cavaliers. He has 39 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:54.799 had enough back in the gym off season. Pacers are 40 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:57.920 good and they're playing the right way at the right 41 00:01:57.920 --> 00:01:59.680 time of year. Let's not forget they were the Eastern 42 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:03.719 Conference files a year ago. Good game in Oklahoma City 43 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:05.920 where the Denver Nuggets ran out of gas because they 44 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:10.280 don't have a bench and their head coach, Coach Adelman, 45 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:14.319 decided to ride with Nikola Jokic during the entire fourth quarter, 46 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:16.719 and they just no legs at the end. They were 47 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.719 outscored by the young upstart Thunder thirty four to nineteen 48 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.719 in the fourth quarter en route to a one to twelve, 49 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:24.960 one O five win. Denver will return home to try 50 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:27.479 to force a Game seven, so we'll get to some 51 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.680 of it out on the show today. Interesting peace by 52 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:34.520 Tim Bontemps front of the program about the lottery chaos 53 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:39.960 and Jason Tatum's injury, which happened at essentially on the 54 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:41.960 same night, not at the same time, but I called 55 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:46.280 it one of the most consequential nights in the history 56 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:49.319 of the NBA, and we could look back on it 57 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.800 as far as what Boston will decide to do now, 58 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:56.120 I'm not ready to dismiss Boston altogether. Put some interesting 59 00:02:56.159 --> 00:03:01.039 comments about the lottery, namely about teams to tank last year, 60 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.639 the Utah Jazz and the Washington Wizards. According to Tim 61 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:08.319 bontemp several executives around the league were happy the teams 62 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:09.800 that spend the year trying to be at the top 63 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:13.280 of the draft and lose games intentionally did not succeed 64 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:14.439 in securing the top pick. 65 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:14.759 One. 66 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:15.680 Scout said quote. 67 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:17.639 The good thing about lottery night is those teams a 68 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.400 tank didn't get any help. Tank all you want, but 69 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:25.240 it does not guarantee you anything. According to one NBA insider, 70 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:29.080 could that color the conversation and context about what Utah 71 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:31.800 Jazz will do next year to try to approach the 72 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.759 season a little bit differently. We will get to that 73 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:39.199 on the show today and the latest with the offseason stuff, 74 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.400 the latest with the lottery. Couple of names available, maybe 75 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:45.639 at five as the NBA combine rolls along, So a 76 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:47.680 lot to do on the program. Our first guest today 77 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.439 is going to be none other than Quentin or Richardson, 78 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:54.280 who played in the NBA for a number of years 79 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.759 with the New York Knicks and some other teams. Will 80 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:00.879 preview tonight's playoff action with Q. Sarah Todd, who covers 81 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.439 the Utah Jazz for the Deseret News and was in 82 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:06.919 Chicago for the lottery, may be still there for the 83 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.400 NBA combine as well. Sarah's going to stop by today 84 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:13.080 the Stanley Cup playoffs roll along. Utah Hockey Club will 85 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.920 be fortunate to draft number four in the lottery. Neil 86 00:04:16.959 --> 00:04:18.839 Smith joins us for his weekly hit to talk a 87 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:22.040 little hockey, and then we'll do some college football and 88 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:24.560 whatever else comes our way with Chris Camaraddi Live in 89 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.319 studio weekly Guest of Ours is going to join us 90 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:31.199 today on a Wednesday afternoon, So Quentin Richardson, Sarah Todd, 91 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.680 Neil Smith, Chris Comaradnie Me Spence checking to all of you, 92 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:38.399 the great listeners. That guy Porter Larson on a night 93 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.680 where his New York Knicks might advance to the Eastern 94 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:41.639 Conference Finals. 95 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:42.920 Do you think they get it done tonight? 96 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.680 I think they do. Man, maybe that's you know, it 97 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.040 is wishful thinking. As a Knicks fan, I feel like 98 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:55.120 that's always kind of the case. But man, without Jason 99 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:58.040 Tatum and with the way the Knicks have won some 100 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.480 of these games, I think they have a real opportunity 101 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:03.279 to close it out. I think it's it's been kind 102 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.399 of deflating way for the Celtics to go down. That 103 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.079 being said, this is a team that has won a 104 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:13.040 title very recently. If you remember, They're not gonna go 105 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:15.319 down without a fight. It's not going to be a blowout. 106 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.040 I think if New York wins, they're gonna have to 107 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.560 really grit it out or gonna have to go back 108 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:23.160 home and make it happen in MSG. 109 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.879 So Boston is a favorite tonight at home, despite Jason 110 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:31.839 Tatum of course being out not just for tonight but 111 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:33.160 for like an entire year. 112 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:35.879 So we'll see what happens tonight. NBA Playoffs, the action. 113 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:38.680 Has been really, really fun, and we'll break it down 114 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:39.639 the Quentin Richardson. 115 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:41.360 If you're an NBA fan, you know who Q is. 116 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:42.720 But before we get to. 117 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:47.319 Quentin Richardson on a Wednesday afternoon, then we're gonna bring 118 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.319 in Sarah Todd, Neil Smith, Chris Camraaddi as well Dark. 119 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.319 Derek Henry gets a two year extension. 120 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.480 Uh so, our our computer is a little jacked up, 121 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.639 all right. Before you get to QUEU on a Wednesday, 122 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:03.680 it's sign for your opening tip. 123 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:04.720 Welcome to the. 124 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.519 Drive with Spence check its on Utah's number one Sports 125 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:10.879 talk Now into the studios of ESPN seven hundred to 126 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.319 set the scene for the show. The opening tip of 127 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.079 the Drive is brought to you by Prize Picks. Use 128 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.879 the code ESPN seven hundred and run your game with 129 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:20.839 Prize Picks. 130 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.720 Cash in on the basketball playoffs with Prize Picks. 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I'm going more on Derek White eighteen 152 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.680 point five points. I'm going more on Jalen Brown, twenty 153 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.399 six points. Give me more on Jalen twenty seven point 154 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.000 five points. I will take less on Cat nineteen point 155 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:30.680 five points, and I'll take less on Porzingis fourteen point 156 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.839 five points. As the Knicks and the Celtics will do 157 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.879 battle tonight for the right. Well, if the Knicks win, 158 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:38.920 it's the right to go to the Eastern Conference Finals. 159 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.920 Boston just trying to extend their series. 160 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.720 So a couple of minutes here and then we'll take 161 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:47.079 a break and bring in Quentin Richardson. Of course, the 162 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.959 market is still reeling from what happened well almost forty 163 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:54.439 eight hours ago, as the Utah Jazz, they were the 164 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.319 worst team in the NBA this year, had the worst 165 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.040 record in the NBA this year, as it was that 166 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:03.000 guaranteed them top five pick and nothing more. Fourteen percent 167 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.120 chance to grab number one, a forty eight percent chance 168 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:11.839 to land at five, and obviously the percentages manifested the results, 169 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.600 they were the most likely to end up at five. 170 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:15.600 And that's what happened. 171 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:21.000 Doesn't change the frustration, doesn't change the hope and the 172 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:23.120 you know, as we talk about it is the hope 173 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:25.879 that kills you, right, It's all about your expectations, So 174 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:30.480 how could this potentially change the approach of what the 175 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.919 Utah Jazz will try to do next year. So the 176 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:39.360 difficulty in analyzing the Jazz in the interim like right 177 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.480 now immediately is, if we're honest, they just don't have 178 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.159 enough to be very competitive in the West. So if 179 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:48.879 they decide to scrap the whole, okay, we are just 180 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.200 not going to take the endeavor. 181 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:50.759 Seriously. 182 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.840 We're going to fake injuries for our players as they 183 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:56.360 did all year, and then the league will find us 184 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.159 and then we'll just have our seven foot take a 185 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:02.240 bunch of threes from the outside so intentionally sabotage games. 186 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.679 And that's what they did. No matter the spin anybody 187 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.519 wants to put on it, that is precisely what they did. 188 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.679 So organizations, when they decide that the best route for 189 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:15.279 them is to lose intentionally, we'll say things like it's 190 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:18.440 time for us to develop our young players, and we're 191 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:22.240 going to lean in on player development. Justin Zenik, during 192 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.639 his postseason media availability, came as close as anybody all 193 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:30.000 year long to admitting that they lost on purpose. What 194 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.080 Adam Silver and the NBA tried to do in twenty 195 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.000 nineteen is dissuade teams from having a lack of integrity 196 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:42.360 with their approach of building a professional team. Players and 197 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:45.399 coaches are bred to be competitors, and certainly at this level, 198 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:47.440 when you're able to evolve all the way to the 199 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:51.080 top of an endeavor like this, you have to be 200 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:55.240 a pitbull competitor. You cannot be okay with half measures. 201 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:57.960 You cannot be okay with being asked to not give 202 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.840 your best. It also set a really, really dangerous precedent 203 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:04.480 for the way that your young players will continue to 204 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:09.799 handle themselves throughout their career moving forward. And it's why 205 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:14.120 the previous iteration, as the Millers were, the owners never 206 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:18.480 went all in on simply sabotaging a season. Now, there 207 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.759 were some seasons they just didn't have a great roster. 208 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:24.039 You know that team with Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap 209 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:25.679 they actually did advance to the playoffs. 210 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:26.759 They had smoked by the Spurs. 211 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.600 They were never going anywhere, but they weren't trying to lose. 212 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:35.799 And reference the Tim Bontemps piece a little bit earlier, 213 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.879 and there are a lot of people across the landscape 214 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.600 of the NBA that do not like it when teams 215 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.639 are intentional about their desire to simply lose, and are 216 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:50.600 not honest about their efforts to compete. And so here's 217 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.360 what Tim Bontemps wrote earlier today about a seismic shift 218 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.240 in the landscape or pro basketball two nights ago, specifically 219 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:02.080 about what happened with the lot so quote and let's see, 220 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.039 we'll start here. We will start here where they get 221 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:08.919 into the Utah Jazz. So there were some league insiders 222 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.240 who are happy that the teams who spent the year 223 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:13.120 trying to tank and trying to be at the top 224 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.639 of the draft, namely the Utah Jazz and the Washington Wizards, 225 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:18.720 didn't succeed in securing the top pick. 226 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:19.200 Quote. 227 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.120 The good thing about lottery night is those teams didn't 228 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:25.879 get help. Tank all you want, but it doesn't guarantee 229 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:29.720 you anything. One executive suggested the ESPN that if the 230 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:32.600 league wanted to eliminate tanking, it should eliminate the draft 231 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:36.240 entirely and instead let teams create salary cap space to 232 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.480 sign rookies to deals. But even that executive said there 233 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:41.919 wasn't a realistic chance of that ever happening for plenty 234 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:45.639 of reasons, including future draft picks being valuable trade currency. 235 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:47.440 So the hot. 236 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:51.600 Takes fly every year after the lottery, namely from fan 237 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:56.000 bases that are frustrated that the anemic seasons they've been 238 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.320 asked to suffer through did not pay out for anything special. 239 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.960 So it doesn't mean that this is forever with the 240 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.799 Utah Jazz, but it means it's for right now. They're 241 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:08.039 really if we're realistic, they'll get a good they'll get 242 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:09.919 a good player at five. Like this draft is deep 243 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.759 enough that they'll get a good player at five. But 244 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:14.039 if you read a lot of the scouts and a 245 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:17.519 lot of the prognostications, most people believe that if you 246 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.919 wanted a franchise changing piece, you needed a top four pick, 247 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:23.840 and even if we're more reductive at top two pick. 248 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:25.919 Right, But it's not the reality. 249 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.120 So there's no use belly aching about it and talking 250 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:29.480 about it all off season long. 251 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:31.639 They'll grab a good player at five. 252 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:33.679 We'll talk about some of the options throughout the course 253 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:35.559 of the show today and throughout the course of the 254 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.720 next you know, five six weeks before the draft on 255 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:39.639 June the twenty fifth, they. 256 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:40.519 Do have cap space. 257 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:44.120 So after teams have made decisions to jettison off some 258 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.600 of their veteran you veteran pieces, and I'll give you 259 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:48.120 just a few teams as an example. 260 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.519 The Phoenix Suns certainly are they're gonna have to do 261 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:51.879 something now. 262 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:53.799 As we've talked about throughout the course of this week, 263 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.600 the problematic element of discussing whether or not the Jazz 264 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:59.919 could go try to get Durant or Giannis or Jalen 265 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:04.519 if Boston decides to jettison their talent. Bobby Marx came 266 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:08.840 out with his calculations Boston will have a luxury tax 267 00:13:08.879 --> 00:13:12.000 bill of five hundred million dollars if they don't do 268 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.960 something next year. That's the highest luxury tax bill in 269 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:17.919 the history of pro basketball. It's a new ownership group. 270 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.200 They just paid six billion dollars for the Boston Celtics, 271 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.519 and if the Celtics losing the second round, my guess 272 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.679 is the new huntership group does not want to spend 273 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:29.320 five hundred million just for the right to have a 274 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.600 team that couldn't get out of the second round. So 275 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:36.840 Boston with Jalen Brown, Houston with Kevin Durant, and obviously 276 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.480 there's the Jana stuff as well. The issue is the 277 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.919 Jazz cannot compete with packages put together by teams like 278 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.159 Houston and San Antonio and Oklahoma City, where the teams 279 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.240 you're gonna hear talked about as far as grabbing some 280 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:51.519 of those stars. So we'll see what the Jazz elected 281 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:54.679 to do as far as talent addition during this offseason. 282 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.000 But even if they don't do anything outside of adding 283 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.559 the number five pick and maybe the number twenty one 284 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:02.679 pick and maybe they grab a second round or they like, 285 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.639 my guess is this upcoming season will contain a lot 286 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.279 of losing, but you'll see more of lowry marketing, You'll 287 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.200 see more of John Collins, You'll see more of Walker Kestler. 288 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:16.279 I don't think we're gonna see a lot of faking 289 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.519 of the injuries anymore. I think they're actually gonna try 290 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.360 to have some integrity about this endeavor and put their 291 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.480 best foot forward. And I think as the fan base, 292 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.759 that's something you should look forward to. Boston Celtics, Golden 293 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.919 State Warriors trying to stave off elimination. Tonight, we'll see 294 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:31.919 if the New York Knicks can advance to their first 295 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:36.720 Eastern Conference Finals since two thousand and of course, Minnesota 296 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:38.720 trying to get it done as well. Our next guest 297 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:41.360 played pro basketball for a number of years for a 298 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.519 number of teams, including said New York Knicks. It's a 299 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:48.639 pleasure to welcome in Quentin Richardson to the program on Wednesday, 300 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.799 on a Wednesday afternoon. Q. Happy Wednesday, man, how are 301 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:51.080 we doing. 302 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.000 I'm good, I'm good. Appreciate that having. 303 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.320 I appreciate the time. So do you think the New 304 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.360 York Knicks get it done tonight? Boston eight and two 305 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:01.679 without tape him this year, they're a four point five 306 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:03.480 point favorite of home. Q. How do you think it 307 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:04.759 goes down in Boston tonight. 308 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.919 I'm skeptical right now, man, because on the one hand, 309 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.440 I do think that the Knicks have the advantage. They 310 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.919 got the momentum right now, and they they've already won 311 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.600 two games on their home court in this series, so 312 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.799 they should, with all intents and purposes, be able to 313 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:21.840 get the job done. But I just hesitate a little 314 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:25.320 bit because the Celtics our champions, they do have pride. 315 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:27.679 I don't think they want to go out in that fashion. 316 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:29.360 Just saying, you know, every all of the rest of 317 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.200 those guys individually, they don't want to feel like the 318 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:33.559 Once Tatum went down there was just all over for them. 319 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.159 So I'm sure they're gonna put their best so forward 320 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:38.879 and come out with a with a with a championship 321 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.240 type effort for the night. But I think as long 322 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.200 as as long as New York stays off, you know, 323 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.320 letting it become a big lead and having to fight 324 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:47.320 back from that, you know, and they get brusting into 325 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.440 into crunch time, I think he can get us to 326 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:50.440 eat and get it done. 327 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:53.039 Gill is somebody who played in the league for a 328 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:57.039 number of years. All kind of concede to your opinion here, 329 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.200 and I understand that the system is the system them 330 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:02.919 in Boston, the five out spacing, We're gonna shoot a 331 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.399 lot of threes. But when the threes aren't falling and 332 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.000 you have like a fourteen to twenty point lead, why 333 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:11.399 don't you adjust a little bit? 334 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:13.639 Like Look, I am all in on New York. 335 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:15.080 I want to see the Knicks do it, but I'm 336 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.440 kind of stunned that Joe Missoula and the Celtics haven't 337 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:18.399 made more adjustments. 338 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.120 Kind of help me understand this, Roiyah, I. 339 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:22.840 Mean, I mean when teams come into it, you know, 340 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:24.720 once you get to this point in the season, you 341 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:26.480 are who you are, you play the way you play, 342 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.840 But I do agree regardless of that, regardless if you 343 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.960 got the person there that they have, you have Jason 344 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.080 Tatum and Jaylen Brown those first two games, it should 345 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:37.960 have never gone down that way with them guys just 346 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:40.799 continuing the fire fire, fire away. When you got guys 347 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.639 that are that good at driving the ball and drawing 348 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:45.960 files and getting in the pain and making different things 349 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.559 happening for them, not to not do that either of 350 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.600 those games, and watching the twenty point league collapse that 351 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:53.879 I felt like it should have been some type of change, 352 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.360 even if that is your philosophy, at some point, you know, 353 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:58.919 you got to try to do something else, not to 354 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.039 say you completely a band in the three which you 355 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.639 got to try and mix something else in there, try 356 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:04.640 something else as well. 357 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:07.599 Tell me what stands out most to you about the 358 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.200 evolution of Jalen Brunson. 359 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:11.400 I mean, we saw him. 360 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.759 We're in Salt Lake City and the final playoff series 361 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:19.200 that the Jazz had with Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell 362 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.559 was against the Dallas Mavericks and Luca got hurt and 363 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.559 Jalen was the primary offense initiator, and so we saw 364 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.119 what he could do out here, at least in a 365 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:31.400 truncated space. But a lot of people thought the Knicks 366 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:34.200 were taking a big gamble on a guard that doesn't 367 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.000 have great size, and that's not necessarily a modern day 368 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.720 NBA approach. What stands out most about how good he's 369 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:40.680 been Q in New York. 370 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.599 I think that for me, it's the mental aspect of it. 371 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:46.880 You know that his mental makeup. I think that's a 372 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:48.759 big part of what makes him as good as he is. 373 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.920 I mean the player, he's unbelievable to be able to 374 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.440 do the things he does in his size and without 375 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:58.000 as much athleticism that he has. I mean, he's unbelievable 376 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:59.720 with shooting the ball, and you could tell everything is 377 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.400 rep petition. Like people ask where this confidence come from. 378 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:04.680 It comes from him getting in the gym and doing 379 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.039 things so many times that he expects it to work. 380 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:08.839 And I mean the other part of that man to 381 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:10.440 play in New York and to high the type of 382 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.559 mental makeup he has. It's a perfect marriage because he 383 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:16.880 doesn't get too high or too low with anything. And 384 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:18.720 I don't think he pays attention to a lot of 385 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.200 the noise, and there's not a lot of people that 386 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:22.319 could do that. People say, yeah, I don't care. I 387 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:24.440 don't listen to what nobody say. Oh, I don't read anything. 388 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.200 I don't look at anything, but they do. And I 389 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.480 think either whether he does look at it or not, 390 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.680 I don't think it has an effect on him because 391 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:33.720 he doesn't put a whole lot of stock into it, 392 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:34.880 either way up or down. 393 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.480 If somebody you played in that city. 394 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.079 What will the reaction be of Knick fans in New 395 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.119 York if the Knicks can get it done at advance 396 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:43.480 in the Eastern Conference Finals. 397 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.319 Oh man, I can't. I can't tell you how much 398 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:49.799 pandemonium there will be, because I'm telling you right now, 399 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.759 the Knicks fans, I think in championship, and I mean rightfully, so, 400 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:58.079 they absolutely have a crazy good opportunity to win the 401 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:00.440 championship in the first one that thays ever they ever 402 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:02.279 had a chance in a long time. So I mean, 403 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.680 they got it. They got a right to be, you know, 404 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:07.480 to be excited and things like that. But I would 405 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.319 be very cautious and respectful before I start saying, we 406 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.759 get in to the finals, you still got to eliminate Boston. 407 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:16.480 You still gotta watch the Pacers. The Pacers are not 408 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:18.559 gonna be an easy series. In my opinion, I do 409 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:20.799 think the Kniggs can beat them, but it won't be 410 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:21.480 easy at all. 411 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:22.920 I don't think, no, not at all. 412 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.119 I mean Rick Carlisle of course, is a championship coach, 413 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.480 and they've got They've got a bunch you know, and 414 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.359 Q you know this. I mean, they have a bunch 415 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:32.559 of just dogs pitfalls on the perimeter. 416 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.000 I mean, guys that can really guard. 417 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.880 And we had Donovan Mitchell out here for five years 418 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:38.960 before he was traded to Cleveland, and we all kind 419 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:40.799 of pulled for Donovan want to see him do well. 420 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:43.839 But let me ask you what stands out most about 421 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.240 just how Indiana is playing the right way at the 422 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:48.000 right time of year. 423 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:51.519 I mean, it has a lot to do with you said, man, 424 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.599 they got a really good team. They got a deep team, 425 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:55.319 they got a lot of guys that they can shuffle in. 426 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:57.440 They go about nine to ten beat and that's a 427 00:19:57.480 --> 00:19:59.240 big deal when you look at the New York teams 428 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:01.519 that only go sick seven eight deep. So I mean, 429 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:05.839 when you think about that, Indiana, they play at at 430 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.000 a fast paced you know what I'm saying, tyree Llyburn 431 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.839 getting guys the ball, guys are running and then like 432 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:12.960 you say, they got the intangibles. Man, they got a 433 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.240 mouse turner who doesn't get enough credit. I feel like 434 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.039 he's one of the few big men that really impact 435 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.200 shots at the rim and that paint protection. He impacts 436 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:24.799 it at a high, high level, but also goes out 437 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:27.519 there and shoots three. It's like a like a you 438 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:29.279 don't really get that a lot from guys that are 439 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:31.160 shot blockers that can shoot at the high cliff that 440 00:20:31.200 --> 00:20:33.599 he can and the mid post and everything else. I 441 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:35.640 like top to bottom man they got, they got a 442 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.000 deep roster and them hard mattern. They come off the 443 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.920 Smith off the Bennee Smith is a is an absolute 444 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.119 dog on defense. I don't know if everybody, if a 445 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.519 lot of people have paid close attention, because it hasn't 446 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:49.160 gotten like the whole ride rod to it. But if 447 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.279 you just take a couple of possessions and you just 448 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:55.640 watch him, just follow him. He is all over his man. 449 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.400 He is getting over screens, through screens, around screens. He's 450 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.480 getting up to people when they get the ball. He's 451 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:04.480 pressuring the ball up the court. He is He's tremendous 452 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:06.759 on defense. I'm a big fan of Aaron E. Smith 453 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:07.400 on defense. 454 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.400 Let me ask you about Donovan who I think it's 455 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:13.279 now eight straight years that he's not been able to 456 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:14.359 get out of the second round. 457 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.039 And look, it's obviously a team sport. It's not all 458 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:17.559 on him. 459 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:21.880 And I've seen Donovan Mitchell have individual playoffs scoring nights 460 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.440 that is very rarefied air. Do you think he is 461 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:27.759 a number one Q on a team that can win 462 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:28.559 a championship? 463 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.160 I do. I do think he can be a number one, 464 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:34.880 but it has to be the right right team. He 465 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:36.880 has had the right type of support. So I mean 466 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:39.880 that's like you said, the years that he has in advance, 467 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:41.559 you can go through the numbers. 468 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:42.079 I can't. 469 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:44.880 We can't just you know, put it on him like yeah, 470 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:46.839 he if you want to consider him the best guy 471 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:48.519 to lead on the team, and falls on him from 472 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.240 that respect. But I mean he's put in major work, 473 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:53.480 like you said rarefied here with some of the numbers 474 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:55.960 he's been putting up in these losses and things like that, 475 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.599 and then every every instance you can point to someone 476 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:01.880 else there that could have done more, been more that 477 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.039 were expected of for more and for him. 478 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:08.279 Now there are some rumblings the stuff is going to 479 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:09.400 try to go tonight. 480 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:11.119 I don't know what that's gonna look like. 481 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:13.319 Do you give the Warriors any shot of at least 482 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.039 getting this thing back to San Francisco? 483 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:19.960 I give everybody a shot, man could just because I 484 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.119 know the pride of an actual of us as athletes, 485 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:24.559 Like you know what I'm saying. It's one game. We 486 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:26.960 just got to turn up one time and worried about 487 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:29.079 everything else after that. So they definitely, I mean, they 488 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:31.680 got they got. Even if step doesn't play, I still 489 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:34.359 give them an outside shot. I mean, I'm not gonna 490 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:36.440 be surprised at Minnesota go ahead and close it down 491 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:38.440 and handle their business. But I'm not gonna say that 492 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:40.799 I don't give the Warriors a shot. I know, I 493 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:43.559 know what Jimmy has in him. Draymond is a champion. 494 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:46.160 Some of those other guys, these are pros. Man, we 495 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.400 got pride, and they not just gonna lay down. 496 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.559 So Coach Athaman elected to leave Nikola Yokachen every minute 497 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.799 and the fourth Jamal Murray too, And I understand why 498 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:58.079 Denver's not as deep as Oklahoma City. 499 00:22:58.119 --> 00:22:59.960 But of course the Nugets just ran out of gas. 500 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:02.640 So now we go back to Denver to see if 501 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:05.000 Denver can get this thing back to game seven. I 502 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:07.400 know you say you give everybody a chance, and certainly 503 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:09.680 nobody would bet against nicolea Jokic, But what do you 504 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:11.640 make of what we've seen so far with Denver and 505 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.319 OKC and how do you think it plays out? 506 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.960 I had Okay see winning this series. I would say 507 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:23.079 that I'm surprised because of the coaching aspect, because I 508 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:26.759 don't expect the team that fires their coach three games 509 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:29.039 before the rec before the playoffs, I didn't expect them 510 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:30.599 to have any type of run I thought they might 511 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:32.599 have got. I wouldn't have been surprised they got eliminated 512 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:34.839 in the first round because of that. But I mean, 513 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:36.880 when you like I said, that's as players we got 514 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.119 Pride man, they got they got Joker, who could be 515 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.319 possibly the you know, arguably the best player on the 516 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:43.960 planet right now. And Aaron Gordon has played out of 517 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:46.880 his mind this postseason. He's been I mean all season, 518 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.559 but particularly just this postseason with the game winners and 519 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:52.039 the time, the baskets and things he's been able to 520 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:55.559 do for them. And Jamal Murray has had the superstar 521 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:58.920 Jamal Murray has showed us so right now, anything could go. 522 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:00.759 I still don't consider it. This is a four long 523 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.920 conclusion for OKFE. They definitely had to take this as 524 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:05.480 a as a and come in with a sense of 525 00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:08.000 urgency and not not allow them to get the crowd 526 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:10.519 going and get get into this game because Denver is 527 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.519 not gonna lay down. This is gonna be a dogfight. 528 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.039 I feel like, Hugh, I know you're doing the media 529 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:16.000 thing now, and I know. 530 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.599 You played for a handful of different teams. Do you 531 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.240 have a rooting interest in any of the teams left? 532 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.200 Is there a team you'd like to see goin the thing? 533 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:29.480 Oh? Not particularly, man, I just I just really want 534 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.640 to see, you know, good good basketball, good series, hard 535 00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:36.279 falk games, teams you know, turn injuries off. I hate 536 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:38.640 what happened to Tatum and anybody else that got injured. 537 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:40.319 I want to see guys get teams, get to go 538 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:42.880 away with their full compliment and just see who the 539 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:45.119 best team is. Man, you know I got I got 540 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.240 a lot of different ties to different ball clubs and 541 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.519 stuff like that. The New York Knicks. I'm once the Knick, 542 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.119 always a Knicks, So I definitely would be excited if 543 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:54.119 they were able to win the championship, because I know 544 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:56.039 what that would mean to that, to that fan base, 545 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:58.480 to the to the franchise, to the folks that work 546 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:00.759 in them builders that's been working at follow years and 547 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:02.599 they've got to go through the you know, ups and 548 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:04.319 downs and things like that. So I know what it 549 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.559 would mean from that standpoint, from being there for a 550 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:09.279 period of time and seeing how you know, on on 551 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.200 hands on the ground and seeing how how impactful the 552 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:14.960 Knicks are to that city. I mean, I've seen the 553 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.440 Giants win, the Yankees win, but everybody still talks about 554 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.680 how how they waiting to see when the Knicks win, 555 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:22.759 how it's gonna be. And I would love to see 556 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:23.519 it last. 557 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:24.920 Thank you all say you loose on this, I know 558 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:25.559 you got to run. 559 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.759 But reports are that Yannis is now open to being 560 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.359 traded from Milwaukee. Uh is there a team that you 561 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:34.599 like as far as the fit goes, you think, should 562 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.960 you know, should trade for Giannis and Antonio. 563 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:40.519 I would love to see the yin and Yang to 564 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:46.559 his powerful dominance, playing alongside the unicorn or the alien 565 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:50.880 that that that win Ba yama Is. I think they 566 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.599 got enough assets and everything with the draft picks. They 567 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:55.440 just got in some of the young players. They can 568 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.359 move and and things like that. With the contracts and stuff, 569 00:25:58.359 --> 00:25:59.519 I think they can make it happen. 570 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.039 Oh, Q, thanks for the time. Enjoy the game tonight. 571 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.279 Would love dave you back on soon. 572 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.240 Okay, all right, man, all right. 573 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.279 Quentin Richardson he played in the NBA for twelve years. 574 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.240 UH played for the Clips, the Suns, the Knicks, the 575 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.680 Heat and the Magic. Then actually resigned with the Knicks 576 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.200 to retire. UH played only a game for them. Was 577 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.359 a really really good shooter, good two way player, kind 578 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.640 of a three and D guy before. 579 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:24.759 That kind of became in vogue. 580 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:31.279 I's got a podcast called Knuckleheads? Is that with Us 581 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:32.240 Smiles Darius Miles? 582 00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:33.759 Because they both were the knuckleheads? 583 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:34.359 Right? Yeah. 584 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:36.519 You can look on YouTube right right now to watch 585 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.240 me do the knuckleheads. Can people see me doing this? 586 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:38.559 Yes? 587 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.240 Okay, this is cute right now. That's what they used 588 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.440 to do. WASQ part of the Nick teams. 589 00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.000 That you kind of fell in love with when you 590 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:46.799 were early on in your basketball fandom? 591 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:47.079 Yeah? 592 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.200 So I I actually he was. He was part of 593 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:54.519 the Knicks teams early, right, and you man, I don't 594 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:55.359 think there was a check. 595 00:26:55.359 --> 00:26:57.559 It's overlap. It was four or five. 596 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:00.160 Maybe, no, there was not, right, So it was it 597 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.160 was kind of some of those late nineties Knicks players 598 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:06.480 were still hanging around a few of them, and Q 599 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.599 was on those teams. I really really liked his game. 600 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.640 It just it was a little before the game became 601 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:16.359 what it is today. Which, man, you would love to 602 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.480 have a Quent Richardson from two thousand and five, two 603 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:23.039 thousand and six in a NBA roster today. And then yeah, 604 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:27.200 he signed with Mellow's playoff run Nicks, right, the team 605 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.160 that ended up going and beating the Celtics in Round one, 606 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.680 beating Kevin Durant and Paul Pearson in that team. Quint 607 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.519 was on that roster, So yeah, he was. He was 608 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:38.400 a guy I liked a lot and then has been 609 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:41.640 good to me in the media's versions he joined. 610 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:43.440 So he's a friend of the show. 611 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.599 Now. Yeah, McDonald's all American, and I'll tell you what, 612 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:47.920 he was really good. 613 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.079 But I thought I thought Darius Miles was going to 614 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:52.400 be like a ten time All Star. 615 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.039 Right, he's an He's another one that's like. 616 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.519 That type of explosiveness, that type of athleticism, the length 617 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:05.440 for sure. It pops on a college floor so much. 618 00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:09.279 And then you know, or even the high school stuff 619 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:13.160 right with you look at like stroll Miles Swift, I 620 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.960 think the same thing. Guys that showed that type of 621 00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:20.680 domination at the previous levels, and that the NBA almost 622 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.200 everyone's like kind of like that or they're seven feet tall, 623 00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:26.319 so it evens the plane for a little bit. 624 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:28.759 Yeah, Darius was six'. 625 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:32.799 Nine he committed to play At Saint, john's then decommitted 626 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.359 when he realized he was going to be a top. 627 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.160 Pick he was a number three pick overall and never 628 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.480 fully developed the way that we thought that he. Would 629 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.400 he played in THE nba for nine, years bounced around 630 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.519 a little. Bit his best years were actually In, portland 631 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:47.799 not with The. Clippers spent a couple of years In 632 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.319 cleveland as. Well but, yeah interesting stuff. There so a 633 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.599 couple of a couple of interesting. Games, tonight it looks 634 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:58.720 like the reports are that they're going to maybe attempt 635 00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:00.279 to Give Stephen curry some and it's. 636 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.240 TONIGHT i don't know how that's going to. GO i, 637 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:04.319 mean hamstrings are. 638 00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.079 So, tricky but it's do or, die and of Course 639 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.240 steph will give it his all that's gonna be a 640 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:10.839 tough place to. 641 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:11.960 Play The Target center In. 642 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.279 Minneapolis when The timberwolves are, good it's very much like 643 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.000 The Delta center when The jazz are, good, loud the 644 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.880 fans are right on top of, you and it just 645 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.400 feels the feels like The timberwolves kind of have The warriors. 646 00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:28.279 NUMBER i don't fully understand Why Jimmy butler hasn't looked 647 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.960 as engaged AS i thought that he. WOULD i, mean 648 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.000 this was a guy that like single handedly took The 649 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.599 heats to the finals just a few years, ago and 650 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.160 With stefan, OUT i thought we would see more of 651 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.279 The butler show than we've, seen and he's been just 652 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.119 a little bit hesitant in you, know is this kind 653 00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:46.200 of the Moment Anthony, edwards who already has a tremendous 654 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.279 playoff pedigree even as a young, player even takes that 655 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.920 proverbial next. Step it feels like we're high speed ahead To, 656 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.480 minnesota And, okay. 657 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:56.119 See i'm not ready to Bury denver just. 658 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.160 Yet denver just has so many depth issues AND i 659 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:05.000 understand Why Coach adaman last night went With jokic And 660 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:05.559 murray And. 661 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.640 Gordon and the entire group in the fourth, quarter the 662 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.759 entire fourth. Quarter the bio. 663 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.119 Rhythms with that team is Typically jokic takes about the 664 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.640 first three or four minutes off of the fourth to 665 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.960 kind of get him to finish, it and then usually 666 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.559 they'll Bring jokic back in and sit them all for. 667 00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:21.839 A little, bit but all hands on. 668 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:23.839 Deck they had like a fourteen point lead in the 669 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.400 fourth and then if you were, watching every one of 670 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:28.759 their three point shots were. 671 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.039 SHORT i mean the legs were. 672 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.920 Gone and the problem Is Oklahoma city has a team 673 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.640 Where Mark dagnoll can go like twelve deep if he, 674 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:39.960 wants and they're all. YOUNG i, mean off the top 675 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.680 of my, HEAD i think the oldest player might Be Alex, 676 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.759 caruso AND i Think alex is still in his. TWENTIES i, 677 00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:47.319 mean that's Where denver's running into. Issues they're so top 678 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.039 heavy and they're just a little bit. Older they don't 679 00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.680 have the ability to supplement the Non jokic or Non 680 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.599 murray minutes the way THAT okc can even do with 681 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.200 the Non sga minutes because they can Have Jalen williams 682 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:01.559 be their primary ball. Handler So warriors T wolves Tonight 683 00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.000 Target center In, minneapolis and then for the first time 684 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:09.720 since two thousand against The Indiana. Pacers ironically, enough The 685 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:11.839 New York knicks will attempt to make The Eastern Conference. 686 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.599 Finals The Boston celtics are a favorite at. Home they 687 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.440 are a four point five point favorite at last, check 688 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:18.319 even Without Jason. 689 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:20.119 TATUM Td garden's going to be. 690 00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.720 Crazy you, Know Bill simmons as the whole Like Patrick 691 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.359 ewing theory which is based off Those knicks in nineteen 692 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.400 ninety nine when they went to the finals With ewing 693 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:31.240 on the, sideline and his whole theory is, that you, 694 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.319 know all of these guys are really good players in pro, 695 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.000 basketball and when the best player on your, team AND 696 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:37.920 i do Think Jason tatum is the best player on 697 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.880 The celtics to respect To Jaylen, brown who was The 698 00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.680 FINALS mvp a year, ago there's like this collective effort 699 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.319 that kind of comes to the, forefront And boston has 700 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.519 plenty left even Without Jason. Tatum eight and two Without 701 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:53.400 tatum this, year of, course it sucks to have an 702 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.720 injury adversely affect. You so those are the two games 703 00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:58.519 tonight with The knicks and The celtics and then The 704 00:31:58.680 --> 00:31:59.200 warriors and The. 705 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.880 TIMBERWOLVES tnt will have that for. You the pacer stuff 706 00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:03.400 is really. 707 00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:08.680 Interesting And Rick carlyle himself, postgame Both Rick carlile actually 708 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.559 And Kenny atkinson last. Night So Kenny Atkinson coach of 709 00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.839 The Year Cleveland. Cavaliers they get rid OF. Jb, bickerstaff 710 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.960 he goes To, Detroit kenny came, in did a really 711 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.759 good job With, cleveland And kenny admitted last night like 712 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.400 they're just playing at a level that we're not out right. 713 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:24.559 Now and when you. 714 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.880 Look At Rick, carlyle What Rick carlile has, done Inserting 715 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.920 Andrew nemhart into the starting lineup And Aaron nesmith who 716 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.799 was injured for a, while Alongside Pascal siakam who's been 717 00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.599 An All, star And Miles turner who's like Mister pacer 718 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.440 for ten. Years he's been a steady big for. Them 719 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.680 and then obviously their lynchpin Is Tyree. Saliburton but they 720 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.319 also can go nine deep With Obi, TOPPIN. Tj, McConnell 721 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.039 Benedict matherin who wants to fight, everybody And Ben shepherd's 722 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.480 a good. Player they've got four or five wings that 723 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:55.480 will cause The knicks a lot of. Problems if The 724 00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:58.519 knicks can get past The celtics. Tonight but that is 725 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.559 the perfect example of a team that kind of slow 726 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.079 played it and then just figured it out comes spring 727 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.680 and they are simply playing the right way at the 728 00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.319 right time of. Year and interested to HEAR q talk 729 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:13.519 About Donovan mitchell as the number one option for a championship, 730 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:14.160 TEAM i. 731 00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.200 DON'T i honestly don't really. 732 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:21.079 Know And i'm conflicted here Because i've Seen donovan have 733 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.880 individual scoring outbursts in playoff games that put him alongside 734 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.920 the elite names in the history of this, game Including Michael, 735 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:32.400 jordan Including Alan, iverson some of the great postseason scorers we've. 736 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.559 Seen donovan has numbers to match. Them but there's just 737 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.519 something that happens down the stretch where he cowers away from. 738 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.240 Physicality so you hear this thing about him where he 739 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.559 understands the moment and he steps up when the moment 740 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.240 is the, biggest AND i would actually counter that he 741 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:51.519 steps up until the moment is absolutely as big as 742 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.440 the moment can, get if that makes. Sense and it 743 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.480 sounds like a, criticism and in a, way maybe it, 744 00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:00.359 is But i'm not trying to be. CRITICAL i just don't, 745 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.519 know BECAUSE i saw it here over and over and 746 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.400 over where he'd have these games where he'd dropped like 747 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.039 forty or sometimes even half a, hundred and then you 748 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.119 look at the box, score, like you can't be critical 749 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.320 About donovan because he had. Forty but what you don't 750 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.360 see are weird turnovers down the stretch or simply cowering 751 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.840 away From Benedict matherin or Aaron Ne smith and not 752 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.880 responding to physicality in big playoff moments the way superstars 753 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.719 have to. Respond If i've said it, Once i've said 754 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.159 it a thousand, times And i'll say it. Again my 755 00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:36.320 biggest thing about are you a legitimate. 756 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:36.920 Superstar in pro? 757 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.960 Basketball is you get it done in the playoffs on 758 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.639 the road when the moments are at their, biggest and 759 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:44.840 when the moments have been as big as they can. 760 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.199 Get donovan just hasn't met them. Yet twenty, seven twenty 761 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.039 eight years. OLD i think he's twenty eight years. Old 762 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.920 so he is smack dab in the middle of his. 763 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.519 Prime and my guess Is cleveland does run it. Back 764 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.679 they have all of their big four under, Contract Evan, 765 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:04.760 Mo Jared, Allen Darius, Garland, Donovan, Mitchell DeAndre, hunter who 766 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.880 they acquired in a trade With atlanta provided some. Punch 767 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.079 isaaccorro is a good perimeter defensive. Player Ti jerome had 768 00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.719 a solid. Year so what do you do with The Max, 769 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.599 struce's The dean, wades The Ti jerome's like the decisions 770 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:16.920 you have to. 771 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.039 Make another team to look at. 772 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.880 As it pertains to whether or not the front office 773 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.400 is making a different calculation because of another playoff. 774 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:28.800 Failure but we'll. See only time will. 775 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.000 Tell uh it felt bad For, donovan but he did 776 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:33.039 step up to the podium and drop a bunch of 777 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:33.719 expletives to. 778 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:34.920 Show you that he's serious about. 779 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.280 Improving Quentin Richardson today stops by a courtesy of our 780 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.320 friends AT Ifa Country. 781 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.360 Stores when the, seasons when the seasons, change. 782 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.079 If you're like any good, coach you'll put together your 783 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.039 game plan for a, healthy green lawn and you'll turn 784 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.639 to the experts AT. 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Wednesday 796 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:23.360 how are. 797 00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:28.320 You i'm doing. Great i'm here at THE Nba. Combine 798 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:33.159 so any apologies if they're buzzes and normal kind of 799 00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:34.199 arena sounds in the. 800 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.239 Background, NO i actually kind of like. It WHEN i 801 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.079 hear whistles and sneakers sneaking on the. 802 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.239 Floor it makes. Me it makes me miss. 803 00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.679 Basketball SO i think we'll take the background ambient. Noise, So, 804 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:48.280 sarah you were in the room when it was revealed 805 00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.480 The jazz would fall to. Five, obviously folks around here 806 00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.239 are not too. Thrilled let's just let's just talk about your, 807 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.360 experience big. Picture what was it like to kind of 808 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:57.280 be there and experience. 809 00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.360 Everything, YEAH i, Mean i've been in that room multiple 810 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.559 times at this, point and that was certainly the most 811 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.159 unique experiencing in. There you, know it's the opposite of 812 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:12.360 how the lottery is. Revealed on television right where you 813 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.480 start with fifteen and you end at, one and when 814 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.760 you're in the, room number one is the first four balls. 815 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:25.320 Drawn so it happened very very, quickly and to say 816 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.519 that there was nobody in the room that expected it 817 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:32.679 to Be dallas would be an. Understatement it was, shocking 818 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:38.599 AND i mean the looks that went around FROM nba 819 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.280 staff and legal and all of the team representatives and 820 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.960 all of the. MEDIA i mean there were audible gaps 821 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.440 and people, saying oh my. God and then very very, 822 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:55.360 quickly like within forty seconds after, that the second pick 823 00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:57.639 was To San antonio and it was the same. Reaction 824 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.000 i'm just. Stunned everybody in the room was. 825 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.519 Done you did a really good job of painting a 826 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.000 picture for the D news and for our listeners who 827 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:08.719 have not read, THAT i would encourage you to go 828 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.480 To Sarah's twitter profile and click on the. Links so 829 00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:14.440 for our listeners that haven't read your, PIECE i want 830 00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:18.760 you to tell us When Justin zanik realized The jazz 831 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.360 fate and what his reaction was that you, witnessed. 832 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.320 Right I'M i MEAN i was sitting maybe five six 833 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:31.519 feet away From justin and he's sitting next To Washington 834 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.639 wizards general Manager Will. Dawkin they both, have you, know 835 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:38.639 an equal percent chance shot at the number one, pick 836 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.000 and you, know before the pick is made or before 837 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.960 the balls are, drawn you, know there's, nervous nervous toe 838 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:48.119 tapping and, uh you, know kind of writing down on 839 00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:49.960 pieces of paper in front of, you just to have 840 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:54.440 something to do with your, hands and Justin i'm you, 841 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:57.599 know all of the team, representatives all of the, reporters 842 00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.599 everybody in the room has a list of all of 843 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.079 the number combinations possible and the teams that they're fined, 844 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.440 Too so kind of before everything, starts you kind of 845 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.880 get a sense of what you're looking. For you, know 846 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:09.840 even though they're going to call it out and announce, 847 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.880 it you want to make sure to follow along if you. 848 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.800 Can and what was obvious was number. One all of 849 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.639 The jazz's combinations had the number, one so a number one. 850 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:20.920 Had to be. 851 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:26.480 Drawn, also what was obvious was that The jazz in 852 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.519 their number, combinations they could have handled two double digit, 853 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.840 numbers three double digit, numbers it wouldn't have been A jazz. 854 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.920 Number so another thing to kind of keep in mind 855 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.840 when you're watching the balls came. Drawn first number comes, 856 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:39.920 up it's double. 857 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:40.760 Digits that's. 858 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.599 Fine the second number comes, up it's a double digit, 859 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.960 number also. Fine and then the third one comes up 860 00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:51.599 and it's another double digit. Number And justin put his 861 00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.559 pin down and just kind of knew that it was. 862 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.880 Gone it was over before even the fourth ball was. 863 00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:02.639 Drawn and when it was Announced, dallas him And Will 864 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.880 dawkins looked at each, other looked back down at the 865 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.559 papers in front of, them and looked at each. Other 866 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.079 they just they didn't know what to do other than 867 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.360 kind of stare at each other and understand how drastically 868 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.960 things were about to. Change and you, know we're talking 869 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.599 about five minutes before, That Justin zannik telling me, about you, 870 00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.639 know the lucky bracelet that he has on that he's 871 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.440 never taken, off and he's wearing His utah jass. Box 872 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.960 and then five minutes after you have people shaking his 873 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.760 hand and looking at him like his dog. Died and 874 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:41.280 so the just the shift in the room was, Immense. 875 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:47.079 So, sarah of, course you, know it's an annual ride 876 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.320 of passage in the world of pro. Basketball when a 877 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:54.119 fan base is upset that their team didn't get the 878 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.639 number one overall pick or the number two overall, pick 879 00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.679 to then question this process and just us whether or 880 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.519 not it's, legitimate whether or not it's done with, integrity 881 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.559 and whether or not the fix is. In No mavericks 882 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.320 fans are complaining about the. Lottery No spurs, fans, well 883 00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.239 No spurs fans should ever complain about the, lottery let's 884 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.679 be very clear about. That but fans of The Utah, 885 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.079 jazz fans of The New Orleans, pelicans fans of the, 886 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.599 well The pelicans don't have any beef. Either but Now 887 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.119 i'm getting lost in the. Weeds, Washington, Charlotte, portland the 888 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.760 fan bases of teams that move down With cooper flag 889 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.679 available at the top are all crying. 890 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.519 FOUL i find it intellectually embarrassing. 891 00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.440 That every time your candidate doesn't win an, election you 892 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:40.800 cry that it's, rigged or every time your team doesn't 893 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:42.079 win a, lottery you cry that it's. 894 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:43.320 Rigged but that's kind of where we're. 895 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.000 At but since you saw the process and have seen the, 896 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:50.719 PROCESS i will simply ask, you is this a fair 897 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:51.639 way to do? 898 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.840 This or is there anything that does not smell right 899 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:55.079 in your? 900 00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:59.880 OPINION i mean two different questions, right is it? Fair 901 00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:01.400 it depends on how we design. 902 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:02.400 Fair Right is it? 903 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.199 Fair because the system and all the rules and the 904 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.679 machinations of it are set up before you go in 905 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:10.760 and you know what you're signing up, for then, yeah that's. 906 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:14.239 Fair is it fair that the worst teams in the 907 00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.280 league only get a fourteen percent? Chance well that was 908 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.679 that was the goal of the, league, right like this 909 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:25.960 Is Adam silver's. Goal you, know they they talked about 910 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.639 this in twenty, seventeen they put it into action in twenty. 911 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.199 Nineteen they flatten the lottery. Odds and the fact of 912 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.719 the matter is that discouraging tanking was the. Reason and 913 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:41.400 the three teams that tanked the most egregiously did not 914 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.719 get what they wanted this. Year and so, frankly the 915 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:48.079 like that has, worked and in the eyes of the 916 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.199 people that set up, us isn't it's? Fair is the 917 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.000 something smell? 918 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:52.800 Bad is it? 919 00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:58.280 Rigged absolutely. Not there's just like the idea that, right 920 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.719 like the prevailing conspiracy theory if we're talking about that 921 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:09.119 would be, well The mavericks gave The Lakers luca at 922 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:14.480 the bidding of THE Nba League office or you, know 923 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:20.000 brass and so now they're Rewarding, Dallas so does that 924 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.159 mean THE Nbia league office also Hurt Kyrie irving And Anthony? 925 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:28.960 Davis like did they cause those injuries? Too and, frankly 926 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.360 if THE Nba League office had the power and will 927 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:35.119 to make these things, HAPPEN i don't think they care About. 928 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.559 Dallas if they Wanted luca to go to The, lakers 929 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.920 and that is actually how all these things. Happened why 930 00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.360 Reward Dallas if they're that, powerful they don't need to 931 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:43.719 give them. 932 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.719 Anything well? 933 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:47.920 Played AND i probably should have just asked whether or 934 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:49.880 not it's, Rigged BUT i do want to lean into 935 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.480 the answer you gave me for the first part of 936 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.239 a clunky question and ask you whether or not you 937 00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.320 like what the league has. Done do you think it 938 00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.480 was the right thing to flatten the odds in twenty? 939 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.719 Nineteen and, therefore, uh you, know the motivation is to 940 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:06.880 dissuade tanking And Tim bontemps FROM espn wrote a piece 941 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.840 today quoting a number of different executives that were celebrating 942 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.440 the fact that The jazz and The wizards specifically did 943 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.000 not get the number one overall pick because people around 944 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:19.559 the league don't seem to respect a team that is 945 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.239 unserious about, competing unserious about. 946 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.239 Competition do you think THE nba needs to look at this. 947 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.679 Process, though and maybe look at what THE nfl does 948 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:31.320 by simply rewarding the worst teams with the best picks 949 00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:31.480 in the. 950 00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:31.880 Draft. 951 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:35.440 YEAH i, MEAN i think any system that you have 952 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.920 where there's going to be like a percentage, CHANCE i 953 00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:40.679 kind of think you're going to get the same. Results, Right, 954 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.000 like even when it was just before it was the 955 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.199 flattened fourteen, percent, right you were getting the number the 956 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.199 one the first overall worst record had a twenty five percent. 957 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.039 Chance that's a lot. Better that feels a lot better 958 00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.519 than fourteen percent. Chance and SO i think you get 959 00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:59.119 a number of teams who are, thinking, well if we 960 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.440 can be the absolute, word then we have a really good. 961 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:05.639 Shot flattening the odds just means, okay, well then there's 962 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:07.360 more teams that are going to get a stab at, 963 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.159 it and maybe you can win it if you have 964 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:12.280 at one point absent, chance, Right and SO i think 965 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:18.440 any system with a percentage is probably not going to 966 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:23.440 discourage tanking enough to actually make it go. Away if 967 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:25.280 you went to a system where it was just, like, 968 00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:30.519 yes the worst overall team the worst record gets the 969 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.360 number one, pick and it just goes in order like. 970 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:36.360 THAT i don't know if that means that you, get you, know, 971 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.880 three four or five teams jockeying for that worst overall 972 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.719 record every. SEASON i don't know what that looks. Like 973 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:49.000 and so it feels, like, YEAH i, MEAN i GUESS 974 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.199 i just still go back to like it's fair in 975 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.280 the ways THE nba wants it to be. Fair it's 976 00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.960 probably impossible at this point to make it feel fair 977 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:04.440 for everyone, involved like team wise and fan. Wise you, 978 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.719 know no one is going to be happy no matter 979 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.800 how this all shakes. Out and at this, point you're 980 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.800 probably never going to discourage tanking unless you start changing 981 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:19.280 player participation policy in a, way, way, way different way 982 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:20.559 than THE nba currently does. 983 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.760 It so now this brings up a really interesting, Discussion, 984 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:27.800 sarah Because i'm not a proponent of tanking all the, 985 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:32.280 time but in certain unique, SITUATIONS i am a proponent of. 986 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.480 Tanking and in the situation where The jazz have found 987 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.079 themselves in for the past three, years my belief has 988 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.719 been that they need to go all in to give 989 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.559 themselves the best chance at some of these. 990 00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:45.480 Prospects Namely victor Wembin. 991 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.800 Ya i'm a couple of years, ago Namely Cooper flag this, 992 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.559 year SO i cannot sit here and, say you know 993 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:53.480 THAT i disagree with what they did last. 994 00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:54.320 Year that would make me a. 995 00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.679 Hypocrite but now that we have the, data since twenty, 996 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:00.239 nineteen there are six drafts where the worst team has 997 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.159 not received the number one overall, pick and there are 998 00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:07.519 conversations about basketball gods and, karma and if you are 999 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.800 not approaching this endeavor with integrity to try to be 1000 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:14.960 serious about, competition maybe you don't deserve to be rewarded 1001 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:18.800 for such a lackadaisical. Approach have you changed your opinion 1002 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.000 on what The jazz should continue to do moving? 1003 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.159 FORWARD i. 1004 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.000 HAVEN'T i still think they should, tank AND i did this. 1005 00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:31.280 Year I've if, anything what this lottery showed me is 1006 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:36.079 that karma is not. Real you can Trade Luka doncic 1007 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.360 and have the most ridiculed front office in THE nba 1008 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:43.480 and you can still get. Rewarded so basketball karma does 1009 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.440 not work the way THAT i ever thought that it. 1010 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:46.239 Did and. 1011 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.239 The jazz are not getting a top tier free agent right. 1012 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.639 Now maybe they would have had a chance at something 1013 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.320 if they Landed Super. Flag but you've got to get 1014 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:57.960 players to get, players and the way for them to 1015 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.880 start doing that is to the draft next. Year they've 1016 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:02.840 got a top eight protected pick that if it falls 1017 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.360 out of, that they have to send it To. Okay 1018 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.920 see and why would you let that? Go why would 1019 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.199 you try to get twenty four to twenty five wins 1020 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.760 by playing lowry and a bunch of rookies and second 1021 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.639 year players just so that you can lose that pick 1022 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.920 and see Another western conference fo get the pick that 1023 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.239 you would have. HAD i think it's the best strategy right. 1024 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.599 Now i'm with. 1025 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.440 You no one around he wants to hear. It do 1026 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:29.320 you think The jazz will continue this strategy? Now And, 1027 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.280 sarah every Time i've had you on since the end 1028 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.599 of the, Season i've tried to kind of kick the 1029 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.360 tires on what could the offseason look? Like but you 1030 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.400 were good to tell us we had to wait Until. 1031 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:43.119 Monday well we waited Until. Monday now they have the fifth. 1032 00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.559 Pick how do you think this color is the context 1033 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:46.960 of what this offseason will. 1034 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:47.320 Look like for The? 1035 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:52.039 Jazz, YEAH i, mean you, know before the, lottery my 1036 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.559 answer to that question was, usually you, know if they Land. 1037 00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.679 Cooper the only thing that would keep them from tanking 1038 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.760 at twenty, five twenty sixty even would be if they 1039 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.039 were to go out and get another big time player 1040 00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.320 to put on the. TEAM i think that that is 1041 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.599 still my, answer even though they Didn't. Vancouver unless they 1042 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:11.960 make a big, trade unless they use the number five 1043 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:15.480 pick in this year's, draft plus some other matching salary 1044 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.599 assets to go and get a big time, PLAYER i 1045 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:20.960 fully expect for them to do the same. Thing it's 1046 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.519 going to be a rints washed and repeat of last. 1047 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:28.719 Year, okay so excuse, me let's move over to The let's, 1048 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:32.360 See i'll call it the slight possibility that The jazz 1049 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.519 are involved in a trade that lands a notable piece 1050 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.079 here in the. Market so as we, know it has 1051 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.760 been reported That giannis is open to being traded From. 1052 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.079 Milwaukee there are teams like The Phoenix suns that have 1053 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.800 hard decisions to make about really good players that are 1054 00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:50.440 making a lot of money for a team that didn't 1055 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:51.159 do anything last. 1056 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:52.400 Year if The. 1057 00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.719 Boston celtics lose, tonight and quite, Frankly, sarah even if they, 1058 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:59.000 don't this is a new ownership group, that according to 1059 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.199 Body mark's calculate is going to be faced with a 1060 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:04.480 luxury tax bill of north of five hundred million. Dollars, 1061 00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.519 Okay so on one, hand we know that there will 1062 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.519 be very good players on the open market there to be. 1063 00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:14.920 Had on the other, HAND i have a hard time 1064 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:18.559 seeing The jazz come up with a package that's analogous 1065 00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.760 to What okac can put, together What houston could put, 1066 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.880 together and certainly What San antonio could put. Together do 1067 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.599 you think there's any chance that The jazz have enough 1068 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.239 and we'll get involved to land a viable piece here 1069 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.280 in the market that could really invigorate this fan. 1070 00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:34.280 Base, yeah you, know. 1071 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:38.079 If milwaukee actually wants to start having like real conversations 1072 00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:41.480 about potentially moving, MEANNESS i think that The jazz would 1073 00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:43.840 certainly try to be, involved but as you, SAID i 1074 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.880 don't think the deals that they could offer would be 1075 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:48.400 good enough when you consider the types of players and 1076 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.119 picks that you could get from other. Teams you could 1077 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:55.519 get more like higher quantity assets probably from The, jazz 1078 00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.800 but you're not going to get you, know the number 1079 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:04.199 two or you, know let's not Leave dallas out of this, either, 1080 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.119 Right like they could do A Cooper yanni slip if 1081 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.400 they wanted, to and so there are a lot of 1082 00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:12.039 teams that have a lot of things like if you 1083 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.280 think about the way That milwaukee is kind of looking 1084 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:19.639 at their immediate, future they don't have, Assets they don't 1085 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:21.559 have someone that's going to take the place Of dame 1086 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.079 once he actually gets healthy and is probably done with his. 1087 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.639 Career at that, point if they're giving up On, giannis 1088 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.239 they need to have something really good to look, to 1089 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:34.320 and The jazz don't have that thing to give, them 1090 00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.840 and so it's really hard for me to imagine them 1091 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:39.039 being in the, running. 1092 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.960 All, right moving over to if we operate off the 1093 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.039 premise that The jazz stay at, five and there are 1094 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.159 a number of reports out there that The jazz are 1095 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:49.880 going to try really hard to move, up And zanak 1096 00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.519 himself talked about all the. Possibilities tim, McMahon who joined us, 1097 00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:57.119 yesterday is reporting that the ownership of The Dallas mavericks 1098 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.639 has laid the edict down that we are one and 1099 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:03.079 we are Drafting Cooper. Flag it feels like it's a 1100 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.320 consensus That Dylan harper's, too and then we get into 1101 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:10.360 The Ace bailey vj Edge, Comb Jeremiah, Fears Trey, johnson 1102 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:14.199 The mallawatch kid From duke we get into that, Portion 1103 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.320 Conk nipple as. Well give us a few, Names sarah 1104 00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:19.719 at five that you think will be there that The 1105 00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:21.719 jazz would take a look, at and maybe a couple 1106 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:22.719 of options that they could. 1107 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:26.079 Draft, YEAH i mean all the names that you said 1108 00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:31.079 just now are absolutely in the, running, Right Trey, JOHNSON. Vj, 1109 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:36.840 Edgecomb Ace, Bailey, Jeremiah Jeremiah, Fears Conk. NIPPLE i would 1110 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:44.480 also put In Derrek queen probably in that. Mix that's 1111 00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:50.079 probably the group of guys that you're looking at if 1112 00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:54.320 you if they decide to keep number. Five AND i 1113 00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.920 MEAN i talked to all of those players earlier, today 1114 00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:02.199 and you know there's certain things that like IF i 1115 00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:05.519 was AN nbagm that would really scare me about summer. 1116 00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.039 HOME i, MEAN A staley's a guy who doesn't pass the, 1117 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.480 ball shoots a ton of mid rain. Shots he's another, project. 1118 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:18.000 RIGHT i, mean even you KNOW. Vj, edgecomb who seems 1119 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:21.159 like kind of a complete two way. Player he's got 1120 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:24.159 some efficiency issues and he's got some ball handling issues 1121 00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:25.639 that would need to be worked. Out, like none of 1122 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:27.880 these guys are going to come in as like complete 1123 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.360 ready to go blue chip, Prospects and SO i think 1124 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.199 that one of the things that needs to be thought 1125 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:39.039 about kind of just beyond this draft is how many 1126 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.880 more projects are The jazz going to be willing to take? 1127 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:46.239 On and at some point over the next you, know 1128 00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:50.280 between now and probably next year's, drafts, like there's going 1129 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:53.199 to need to be a lot of decisions made because 1130 00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:58.320 at this point you've Got Walker, Tesler Taylor, Hendrix Keante, 1131 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:06.480 George Bryce, Siba Cody, Williams Isaiah, Collier Kyle philipowski potentially 1132 00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.880 four draft picks this year taking over the four non 1133 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.960 guaranteed player spots that were on the roster last. Year 1134 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.679 next year's, draft how many more were young players are 1135 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.480 you going to bring? On you can't keep them, all 1136 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:19.400 and a team like, that it's not going to. Win 1137 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.519 so there are some big decisions about kind of who 1138 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:24.400 to cup bait with between now and. 1139 00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:27.159 Then, yes there, is, So, sarah if we move over 1140 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.599 into the, space and it's really hard to have this 1141 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.880 exercise done sitting here in Mid may without knowing who's 1142 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:38.039 going to be on the. Roster but if The jazz 1143 00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:41.679 have done their, calculation if they decide that we are 1144 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.679 going to be serious about. Competing if they decide that 1145 00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:48.079 we are not going to invent, injuries if they decide 1146 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.639 that they are going to play their best possible lineups 1147 00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:54.880 every single, night what's best case scenario for them next? 1148 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.760 Season if there's no sitting, marketing If walker's not shooting 1149 00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.239 seven threes a, Night collins And sexton And, clarkson if 1150 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.400 they go all in to maximize who this roster, is 1151 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:06.480 what does it look like next? 1152 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:12.920 Year, Honestly, LIKE i, think obviously they win more games 1153 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.239 than they did this, year but you're probably still looking 1154 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:21.000 at a situation where, you, like, honestly the best case 1155 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.239 scenario from a wins perspective is you win some more, 1156 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.480 games but not enough to actually make it to play 1157 00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:28.239 in which would be the worst case scenario because then 1158 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:32.000 you lose your. Pick and SO i just don't think 1159 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:34.280 that this team has enough right, now especially with how 1160 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:35.960 many young players you're going to have on the, Roster, 1161 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:40.639 like there's just no depth if you're considering considering it talent, 1162 00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.840 wise Right they're too, young they're too, inexperienced they're not 1163 00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:48.159 ready for any of that right. Now and so the 1164 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:51.039 best case scenario is that they decide to go the other, 1165 00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:52.639 way loose and games and keep their. 1166 00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.719 Pick i'm with you, there all, Right. Sarah, well a 1167 00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:00.360 rough week for jazz. Fans hopefully better times. Ahead Enjoy 1168 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:03.400 chicago and travel. 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Twelve, 1208 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.559 yes we can actually rank off seasons of college football. 1209 00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:45.039 Now but in addition to LITTLE nba, Playoffs tonight we 1210 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.840 have The battle For Lord Stanley's cup rolling on with 1211 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.079 a double. Header it's The panthers and The Maple leaves 1212 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:52.760 tied to, two and The oilers will try to send 1213 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:54.719 The Golden knight some as they lead that three to. 1214 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:57.320 One our next guest joins us on a consistent basis 1215 00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.440 to talk little. Hockey it Is Neil smith On wednesday. 1216 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:03.360 Afternoon wednesday, Afternoon, Neil Happy, wednesday, sir how are. 1217 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.760 You i'm doing, well. Thanks eighty two degrees here In, 1218 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.000 Greenville South carolina and just loving the. 1219 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:13.480 Weather did you do that because you checked the Forecasting 1220 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.760 Salt lake and you know it was thirty seven degrees 1221 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:18.519 earlier this morning and it feels Like february, Today. 1222 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.960 Neil just trying to rub it in a little. 1223 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.719 Bit, Spence, okay fair. 1224 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.199 ENOUGH i have a random question off the top for, 1225 00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.280 you based off of a current situation that's happened in our. 1226 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:29.679 Market. 1227 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:33.079 Now the luck that The utah hawk who excuse, me 1228 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:37.719 the luck that The Utah mammoth received during the lottery 1229 00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:41.599 process is something that our basketball team has never had 1230 00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:45.039 and now continues to never. Have as The jazz moved 1231 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.280 down to five and their lottery drawing a lot of 1232 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.199 people around here were hoping they would get the number 1233 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:52.559 one overall. PICK i wondered in your time as a 1234 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.559 chief roster, constructor if you were over an organization that 1235 00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:00.280 entered the lottery process with a great chance ants to 1236 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.480 have the number one overall pick and you actually fell 1237 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:05.079 on how that affected your off season plans and the fan. 1238 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.760 Base, Well i'm going to tell you how OLD i 1239 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.400 am by answering THAT i was never involved when it 1240 00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:15.159 they had since they'd had the. Lottery oh, Yeah, no 1241 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.760 we didn't have that WHEN i was at The. Rangers 1242 00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.119 that the LOTTERY i believe came in in six and 1243 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:24.639 five oh six when they made all those changes during the. 1244 00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:29.280 Lockout and BUT i have watched the, lottery you, know 1245 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.679 all these many years and seeing teams move up and, 1246 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.719 down and every year THE nhl seems to change what 1247 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.000 the rules. ARE i couldn't figure out this year's numbers 1248 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:41.639 by watching it ON. TV i had no idea what 1249 00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.599 they were talking. About John Butcher grass doing it FOR. 1250 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:48.760 Espn BUT i was happy to see That utah was 1251 00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:51.800 able to jump, up which was was a real good, 1252 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:53.840 thing not as good as what The islanders were able 1253 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:57.440 to do jumping up from ten to number, one but 1254 00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:59.840 certainly number four is going to give you a pretty 1255 00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:00.360 good hockey. 1256 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.079 Player, okay let me ask the question this. 1257 01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:05.760 Way and you, know this is a lot of apples and, 1258 01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.760 oranges because in the world of professional, hockey even if 1259 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:11.800 you get the number one overall, pick there is a 1260 01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:15.079 chance that the fan base will not see that player 1261 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:16.239 for you, know a year or. 1262 01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:18.719 Two, now that's not all the. Time sometimes the number one. 1263 01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:20.360 Pick is ready to, play and we've seen plenty of 1264 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.519 examples of, that and of course in THE, nba you're 1265 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:26.519 going to see the player right. Away but how does 1266 01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:29.960 either moving up or moving, Down how does good or 1267 01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:33.280 bad luck in the lottery affect the offseason plans of 1268 01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:35.199 a team that currently is in a rebuild like The 1269 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:35.880 Utah Hockey. 1270 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:42.360 Club, WELL i think that if, you if you your scouts, 1271 01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:46.960 know if there's more than one kid that can play 1272 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:50.280 in THE nhl next, year eighteen years old is extremely 1273 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:52.840 hard to play in THE. Nhl we've seen a couple 1274 01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.280 of good ones the last couple of years in The 1275 01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:01.360 dard In chicago and then this year in In San, 1276 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:06.840 jose but it's not the. Norm and from WHAT i 1277 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:10.519 hear about this year's. Draft it's not a generational player 1278 01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.679 that will be picked number, one and so obviously then 1279 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.000 as you go down it'll be less chances of those players. 1280 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.880 Playing BUT i think it goes into your more of 1281 01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:24.559 your longer term building plan that you could perhaps get 1282 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.880 a star, player a first line, player a first line, 1283 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:33.280 defenseman a starting goaltender when you're picking in the top 1284 01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.039 four like. That SO i would Imagine Bill armstrong and 1285 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:37.880 his staff are ecstatic that they moved. 1286 01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:41.960 Up is the main reason most of these players do 1287 01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.440 not play in THE nhl right? Away is size and 1288 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:48.159 physicality because they're? Young or is it skill or is 1289 01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:51.719 it just you, know the needing to. DEVELOP i, mean 1290 01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.039 what are some of the main dynamics that ultimately lead 1291 01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:58.159 to the majority of picks made not landing on the 1292 01:01:58.199 --> 01:01:59.800 ground to PLAY nhl hockey for a. 1293 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:04.280 YEARS i think it's a combination of everything you. SAID 1294 01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:08.199 i think it's the maturity of the physical body of 1295 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:11.079 an eighteen year old young man as compared to what 1296 01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:13.800 he'd be like at twenty. ONE i think it's the 1297 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:19.960 mental side of handling THE, nhl the, money the everything 1298 01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:23.039 at eighteen years old is compared to when they get, 1299 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:27.480 to say twenty. ONE i just think it's a combination of. 1300 01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:31.679 Everything it's the maturation process and the development process that 1301 01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:34.760 you speak, about in other, words becoming a better player 1302 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.920 as you get, older which is a natural part of 1303 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:41.039 being an, athlete as you get older and get to 1304 01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:44.639 that one year that you're in your, prime which is 1305 01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:49.239 probably mid to late, twenties and then everything starts a 1306 01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:52.719 little the other. Way but it's a combination of, everything he. 1307 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.800 Said and some kids are able to commun at. Eighteen 1308 01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:59.840 they're strong enough to handle, it they're mentally tough enough to. 1309 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:06.079 Ament but that's case by case and certainly not the. 1310 01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:10.199 Rule so we have several players playing in The World. 1311 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:13.920 Championships we HAVE i think four of our players are 1312 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.119 on THE us, team and then we have a few 1313 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:20.960 players scattered around the international ranks as. Well as a general, 1314 01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.239 manager do you like the fact that your players are 1315 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:28.199 having this. Experience is it good for them to stay 1316 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.760 in shape and keep competing or are you watching these 1317 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:34.719 games with tremendous nerves hoping a great young star does 1318 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:35.159 not get. 1319 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.079 Hurt how does that land for A? 1320 01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:40.719 Gm, well first of, all you're very proud of the 1321 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:43.199 fact that you have those players that are asked to 1322 01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.039 play on those. Teams so that's a good, thing and 1323 01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:48.679 it's a good thing to use in public relations that 1324 01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:51.320 you have these players and that you've got a bright 1325 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:56.079 future because of these players playing in international competition and 1326 01:03:56.679 --> 01:04:01.639 being the best of that country's. Players so that's the first. 1327 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:04.559 Thing the next thing, IS i think anytime your players 1328 01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:07.760 can play at a high level and compete for a, 1329 01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:12.400 championship it's a good. Thing, so, yes you worry about 1330 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:16.159 them being, hurt but you, know even if they were 1331 01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.559 to sustain an injury at this time of the, year 1332 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.400 you've got a number of months to go until you're 1333 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:25.039 back at training. Camp so you, know we're talking about 1334 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:29.039 having five months from now until the season, begins so 1335 01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.400 you've got time to get them. Backwards at The Four 1336 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.920 nations tournament that was bang in the middle of the, 1337 01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.760 season you got an injury, then and you're going to 1338 01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:37.679 miss time on your. 1339 01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:42.320 Team So Clayton, keller who is the captain here for 1340 01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:45.719 The Utah, mammoth was named the captain THE us. 1341 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:47.280 TEAM i thought that was pretty. 1342 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:49.480 Cool what does that say about just kind of his 1343 01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:51.840 presence for a team that has a lot of really 1344 01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:52.280 good young. 1345 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:54.679 Players they landed On Clayton keller as their. 1346 01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:58.280 CAPTAIN i think it shows that he's got a good 1347 01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:02.360 reputation around THE. Lea it doesn't come to the top 1348 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:04.440 of my mind who's the coach for THE us, Team 1349 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:11.239 but obviously the coaching staff realize that he's got leadership 1350 01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:13.719 qualities and that's why they gave him the. Seat they 1351 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.079 knew that he had it With, utah and so they 1352 01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:18.159 do their. Homework you, know when they bring these guys 1353 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.719 all on to a, team they're looking for who's going 1354 01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:22.679 to be the. Leader and they've done their. Homework they've 1355 01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:26.800 talked to their home, team which Be utah With, clayton 1356 01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.440 and they've talked to the, coach and they've talked maybe 1357 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:33.559 to the, manager and you, know they've done their. Homework 1358 01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:38.599 so that just is a good signal That keller is 1359 01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.239 not captain by. Accident all, right. 1360 01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:43.920 Let's jump around now to the series that are going 1361 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:47.719 on for The battle For Lord Stanley Cup Stanley cup. 1362 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:50.559 Playoffs before we set you loose for This, wednesday AND 1363 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.800 i got to give you the. 1364 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.960 Credit you pointed Out dallas as a team to, watch 1365 01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:58.079 and now they're on the precipice of eliminating The, jets 1366 01:05:58.119 --> 01:05:59.840 who have been the best team out here in The 1367 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.400 west and maybe in the entire league all. Year of, 1368 01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:06.079 course in the, playoffs certainly in the hockey, playoffs even 1369 01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:08.239 three one leads aren't. Safe So i'm not saying it's. 1370 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:10.719 Done but what stands out most about this three to 1371 01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:12.000 one lead The stars have over The. 1372 01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:16.960 Jets, well there's a number of, things and the first 1373 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.119 one you've got to talk about Is Viko ranton and 1374 01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:22.599 who came To dallas late in the before the trade. 1375 01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:26.800 Deadline actually had started the year In colorado and been 1376 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:30.480 playing really, well but then because of the contract issue 1377 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.119 that he was traded To, carolina where he's played a few, 1378 01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:36.599 games but let them know that he wasn't going to 1379 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:39.840 sign long term, there so they traded him To, dallas 1380 01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:42.559 Where dallas signed him long. Term and it took him 1381 01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:45.000 a few games and a little while to get, going 1382 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.320 but he has just been a monster in the. PLAYOFFS i, 1383 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:52.079 mean he has been involved in something like fourteen of 1384 01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:55.000 their last eighteen goals that they've. Scored he's guy that 1385 01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.840 got the goal or gotten. Assist so he's been just. 1386 01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:02.239 Tremendous the other thing that's For dallas's last. Game they 1387 01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:05.480 Got Miko heiskin and back on their. Defense he's their 1388 01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:08.639 number one defense and he hadn't played Since january twenty, 1389 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:13.639 eighth so that was another great. Thing their Goaltender ottinger 1390 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:19.920 is playing, superbly played really well the other night again Against. 1391 01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:24.599 Winnipeg on the downside for The, jets what's going on 1392 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:30.679 with The, Jets, well they haven't won a road playoff 1393 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:35.840 game since twenty twenty. Three. Wow they've lost every game 1394 01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:39.360 on the road to The Saint Louis, blues which was three. 1395 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:41.519 Games they won every game at, home which was four. 1396 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:44.679 Games that's why they moved. On but Now i'm playing The. 1397 01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.599 Stars you, know they lost their first game at, home 1398 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:52.519 they won their second, game they lost In dallas In game, 1399 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:56.079 three and they lost In dallas In game four On tuesday. 1400 01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:01.440 Night so The jets are are in. Trouble And Connor, 1401 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:07.239 hallibuck theresn't a trophy winning, goaltender has not played a 1402 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:12.199 trophy standard goal for. Them he was very suspect Against Saint. 1403 01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.920 Louis he's gotten better Against, dallas but hasn't been the 1404 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.159 same as what we saw during the regular. Season so 1405 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:22.319 now they've got to win three straight games Against, dallas 1406 01:08:22.399 --> 01:08:24.800 And dallas is a confident group now that you can 1407 01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.239 see it in their. Play they're getting contributions from. Everybody 1408 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.560 last night night and Meet Kyle granlin who came into 1409 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:33.800 the team late in the season and a trade With San. 1410 01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:36.279 Jose he got the hat. Trick they won three to. 1411 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:39.960 One he got all the, Goals ranson and got an 1412 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:44.119 assistant now and so they they're checking on all cylinders 1413 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.399 In dallas right. Now And winnipeg's going to have to 1414 01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.960 find out how to beat, them not only In game 1415 01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:55.159 five to stay, alive but then they've got to win 1416 01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:57.159 a game on the road In game six to be 1417 01:08:57.199 --> 01:08:59.880 able to come home to try to Win game. Seven 1418 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:01.119 so they're in tough right. 1419 01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:04.520 Now do you think there's a shot The winnipeg can 1420 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:06.039 pull this off or does it feel like they're. 1421 01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:10.720 Cooked it feels like they're cooked to. Me they could 1422 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.439 very much win this next, Game game five at home In. 1423 01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:16.840 WINNIPEG i don't see them getting out Of dallas with 1424 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.199 the series still, going not by the way the series 1425 01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.560 has gone and out by watching it carefully every, GAME 1426 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:24.119 i just don't see. 1427 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:26.600 It, well stay Out west before we finish with the 1428 01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:29.520 two series out. East three of the four series have 1429 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:31.720 a three to one tilt for one of the. Teams 1430 01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.560 and we have a lot of the kind of Proxy 1431 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.920 Golden knight fans out here because prior to The Utah 1432 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.800 mammoth landing, here The Vegas knights were the closest team 1433 01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:44.119 by proximity and they're in. Trouble they're down three to. 1434 01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:46.640 One edmonton has them on the. Rope same, question what's 1435 01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:48.560 gone right For? Edmonton what's gone wrong For? 1436 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:51.880 Vegas, well you, know. 1437 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.560 We saw this movie last year When edmonton came into 1438 01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:58.119 the playoffs and got better as they went, along and 1439 01:09:58.159 --> 01:09:59.920 they ended up going To game seven of the. Final 1440 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:01.720 i'm not going to say that that's going to happen 1441 01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:05.680 to them this. Year But vegas has had several. Injuries 1442 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:10.359 Mark stoner, captain has been banged. Up they haven't gotten 1443 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:15.960 as The Edmonton oilers weakness is their. Goaltending everybody's known 1444 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:20.039 that except that their backup or number two, Goalie Calvin 1445 01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:24.319 pickard started the playoffs for, them started this series for, 1446 01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:26.640 Them rather played really well but then got. Hurt but 1447 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.119 Then Stuart skinner came in and he's played really well 1448 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:32.560 in goal For. Edmonton in, fact pitching a shutout in 1449 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:37.039 the last game On Monday. Night they've just been The 1450 01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:40.720 knights haven't been able to stay with. Them and you, 1451 01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:46.439 know they're playing In vegas. Tonight Ed vegas obviously has 1452 01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:48.479 to win this game because they're on the ropes at 1453 01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.520 three to. ONE i Think vegas will win this game. 1454 01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:55.560 Tonight that's WHAT i, believe BECAUSE i think they play 1455 01:10:55.680 --> 01:10:58.800 really well In vegas And edmonton might take their foot 1456 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:02.279 off the gas a little. Bit BUT i don't think 1457 01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:06.520 that The knights are going to be able to sustain 1458 01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:09.319 and win three games and win the. 1459 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:13.239 Series so you, KNOW i was going to follow up 1460 01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:15.399 with you feel Like vegas's, cooked but you answered. It 1461 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.439 you have, Right so not even a puncher's chance to 1462 01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:17.960 get back in this. 1463 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:21.039 THING i think they, could but you, know you're talking 1464 01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:24.199 About connor McDavid And leon Dry side And Evan Bouce 1465 01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:29.560 shard And Zach, Hymon Zach, hyman, sorry and and they're 1466 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.399 getting contributions from guys Like Corey perry And Evander kine 1467 01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:36.439 and guys that you may. Know you, know they're they're 1468 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:39.479 lowered down on their. Roster and so when McDavid and 1469 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:41.359 Dry sided to take care of them now all of a, 1470 01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:44.840 Sudden Corey perry puts win in her, Suddenly Zach hymen 1471 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:48.239 scores or you've Got Adam henriek scored too in the last. 1472 01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:52.439 Game this is a deep team and they're getting contributions from, 1473 01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:55.760 Everybody SO I i just don't see. 1474 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:58.680 It all, right let's move. Over we'll finish with the 1475 01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:01.319 best series too. Too we'll see what do you think happens. 1476 01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:04.479 Tonight But Carolina carolina has The caps on the ropes 1477 01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:06.920 three to, one And i'm just going to keep asking 1478 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.279 the same, question what's gone right for The hurricanes and 1479 01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:09.760 wrong for The. 1480 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:14.359 CAPS i think what's happened with The hurricanes is their, 1481 01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:19.159 weakness or their suspect was their. Goaltending that people thought 1482 01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:22.079 they didn't have playoff good enough, Goaltending but they. Do 1483 01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:26.000 Freddie anderson has played great for, them really really. Well 1484 01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:29.159 The caps just aren't the same team that they were 1485 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:31.880 during the regular. Season And i'm not Sure spence that 1486 01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:33.840 they've been the same team that they were during the 1487 01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:37.640 regular season ever since The ovie chase for the goals 1488 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:43.680 scoring record ended On Long island back In. March they 1489 01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:46.479 just never got back to that, high high level that 1490 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:51.159 they were. At carolina has just been faster than. Them 1491 01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:58.000 they've kind of way more scoring or shot advantages than 1492 01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:03.640 washed and some Of washington's players that have been stallwards 1493 01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:06.039 for the. YEARS I John carlson has not had a 1494 01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:10.720 good series as a. Defenseman so you, know The hurricanes 1495 01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:15.000 basically are beating them all over the. ICE i don't 1496 01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:17.079 know how they're going to try to do it in 1497 01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:20.720 the tomorrow night when they play back In, washington whe 1498 01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:24.119 they get more physical with, Them but even that, Try 1499 01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:30.600 carolina has stood up to them physically and not back. 1500 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:35.760 Down so, AGAIN i don't See washington coming back in this. 1501 01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.760 Series you, know here's the. Thing WHEN i say THAT 1502 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.319 i can see a team coming, back it's When i've 1503 01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.760 seen that the games have been so darn close that 1504 01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.119 it's got to tip the other. Way but these haven't been. 1505 01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:50.199 Close the last game On monday was five to two For. 1506 01:13:50.359 --> 01:13:54.239 Carolina before that it was for nothing in game. Three 1507 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.399 it really. Has the first two games were, close but 1508 01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:01.960 these last two games have knocked, close and SO i 1509 01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:04.199 don't think That washington has. 1510 01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:09.720 It IF i made you pick One Neil, Jets Golden, 1511 01:14:09.800 --> 01:14:12.680 Knights caps all down three to, one who has the 1512 01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:14.840 best chance of coming back and making this. 1513 01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:19.560 INTERESTING i would Say. 1514 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:22.880 VEGAS i KNOW i said THAT i didn't think they'd do, 1515 01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:25.479 it BECAUSE i. Don't but if you ask, me you've 1516 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.720 got to take. One i'll Take vegas to come back 1517 01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:32.000 On edmonton BEFORE i would Take winnipeg to come back 1518 01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:34.800 On dallas Or washington to come back On. 1519 01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:37.920 Carolina all, right moving over to the only series that's 1520 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:42.000 deadlocked at to, apiece it is let's, see it's The 1521 01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:44.920 Maple leafs and The panthers and they're gonna get going 1522 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.039 here in about an hour and twelve. Minutes so what 1523 01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:50.720 has caused this series to be deadlock to? 1524 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:52.600 Two who do you like? Tonight who do you think 1525 01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:53.319 ultimately wins? 1526 01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:53.439 It and? 1527 01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:58.920 Why, Well toronto came out and won their first two 1528 01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.239 games in the series because In, toronto they're played In, 1529 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:05.479 toronto and they and they won them both and went To. 1530 01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:10.439 Florida panthers went back home down two to, nothing which 1531 01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:13.880 is a bad place to. Be they Won game three 1532 01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.239 and overtime five to, four and then they played a 1533 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.520 great game In game four and won two. Nothing and 1534 01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:24.680 when you've Got Mitch marner And matt and you've Got 1535 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:31.279 Austin matthews and you've Got William leelander And John taveris 1536 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:34.000 and you shut them. Out you shut all those guys. 1537 01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:37.720 Out you're Playing panther playoff hockey that we saw last. 1538 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:41.640 Year so it's two wins by The. Leafs in one 1539 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:43.399 and two went to The, leaves three and four went 1540 01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:47.239 to The. Panthers Obviously panthers have the. Momentum they're back In. 1541 01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:50.920 Toronto as you said, TONIGHT i think The toronto may 1542 01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:53.439 P leafs will win because they have to. Win if 1543 01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:58.239 they lose, tonight it's over because they've got to go 1544 01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:00.159 back down To florida we're, there and then come back 1545 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.880 home and win. AGAIN i Think toronto will win. Tonight 1546 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.159 BUT i still Think florida will win this. SERIES i 1547 01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:08.279 Just i've said that all, along SO i can't pull out. 1548 01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:11.520 NOW i think That florida will win this, series BUT 1549 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:14.640 i wouldn't be surprised That toronto wins tonight and goes 1550 01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:15.520 up three to two On. 1551 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:17.960 Florida, now are you doing the thing as a Proud 1552 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:19.920 canadian that you don't want to set yourself up for 1553 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:21.159 failure and that's why you're Picking. 1554 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:25.319 Florida, No i'm not doing that as A. 1555 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.680 Canadian i'm doing that as a guy that wants to 1556 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:32.439 be right ON espn seven hundred and doesn't want to 1557 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:34.680 come back on and. Here, oh, WELL i guess you're 1558 01:16:34.720 --> 01:16:37.640 wrong about that, One. Neil So i'm just trying to 1559 01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:40.439 pick WHO i think will really win so that you 1560 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:42.000 can't ras me next TIME i come. 1561 01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:43.760 ON i can promise YOU i will not do, that 1562 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:46.640 because you're teaching us all about this sport in a 1563 01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:47.079 way that we. 1564 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:49.159 Needed so let's move over. 1565 01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:52.239 Here let's operate off the premise That Neil, smith the 1566 01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:54.840 hockey the brilliant hockey mind Of Neil, smith is. 1567 01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:58.640 Correct and It's, panthers It's, caps It's, oilers it's. 1568 01:16:58.680 --> 01:16:59.960 Stars who do you. 1569 01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:03.600 Like right now out of both conferences to advance to 1570 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:04.279 The Stanley Cup. 1571 01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:08.239 Final, well first of, all you, Misspoke so it's. Good 1572 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:12.720 i'm Saying panthers Versus. CAROLINA i, BET i? Bet, Okay, 1573 01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:15.239 NO i just want to make sure the listeners. Understand 1574 01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.840 So i'm, Saying i'm saying in The east It's florida And. 1575 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:21.640 Carolina i'm Taking. Florida i'm saying in The west it's 1576 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:25.279 going to Be dallas Versus, edmonton and this is really. 1577 01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:31.239 TOUGH i am going to Say dallas Against, edmonton and 1578 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:36.199 that's a tough decision because it is those two teams 1579 01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:38.800 are both going really. GOOD i think It's dallas's. 1580 01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:43.039 Year fair, enough fair, Enough BEFORE i set you, Loose 1581 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.279 let's just get one more thought on The Utah mammoth 1582 01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:51.680 within the paradigm of what you've seen in the playoffs 1583 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:55.039 and what the hockey, club well hockey, mammoth the, mammoth 1584 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.359 now that you, talk what The Utah mammoth need to 1585 01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:01.960 do this offseason to throw uns just consistently with the 1586 01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:03.920 best teams in pro hockey next. 1587 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:10.039 Year stay with the, plan keep developing your young. Players 1588 01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:13.920 see if there's a free agent out there In july 1589 01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:17.600 that is somebody that could really help supplement your team 1590 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:21.479 by either their experience or their just their power that they. 1591 01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:25.479 Have don't go crazy on signing three or four guys 1592 01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:28.680 and making your team older and getting off your. Plan 1593 01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:34.079 stay With Bill armstrong's plan and add to it if you. 1594 01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:36.640 Can and if they'll do, that they're going to make 1595 01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:40.920 another jump next. Year because it's the two teams that 1596 01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:45.239 made it in The west this. Year Saint louis And 1597 01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:49.359 minnesota both went out in the first. Round minnesota will 1598 01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:53.680 improve Because minnesota's got a lot of cap. Room this, 1599 01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:57.199 Summer Saint louis was in a building process to perhaps 1600 01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:59.680 for three to four years down the, road and, surprise everybody. 1601 01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:03.840 Made utah's competitive with both those, teams the competitive With, 1602 01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:08.439 calgary who was also in the. Mix so stay with the. 1603 01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:11.119 Plan that's ALL i can say, is do not get 1604 01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:12.119 off your, plan. 1605 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:12.800 All, Right? 1606 01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:15.159 Neil for all of our new hockey fan, listeners how 1607 01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:15.960 can they go find your? 1608 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:19.600 Podcast the best place to go To, SPOTIFY i think 1609 01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:23.199 because everybody Gets. 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Okay, well are you going 1657 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:39.720 to take care of your? 1658 01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.680 CHILD i don't know how to do. It, duke come on. 1659 01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:44.000 OVER i MEAN i can't really do. 1660 01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:47.319 MUCH i, mean you can how tell him to? Sit? Duke? 1661 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:48.359 Sit, duke sit and? 1662 01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:50.479 Stay is it? Working? No, YEAH i didn't think. 1663 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:54.199 So if he humps, him would you stop. 1664 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.640 It we'll put him in the producer's room with porter 1665 01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:59.680 if he starts to, hump because for some reason he's 1666 01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:00.680 taking a real liking, you. 1667 01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:01.079 Duke no. 1668 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:02.720 Humping, no he's. 1669 01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:05.000 Good so if you want to See chris on, camera 1670 01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:08.520 try to avoid being humped by my four year old. 1671 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:10.920 DOG a SENTENCE i ever thought i'd, say log on 1672 01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:12.479 our YouTube channel, correct how are, You? 1673 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:13.800 Chris i'm. 1674 01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:17.039 GOOD i cannot say the same for local basketball fans 1675 01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:22.640 here our. Market maybe folks don't really understand how a lottery. 1676 01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:29.119 WORKS i find it intellectually embarrassing that whether it's, okay 1677 01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:32.680 your guy didn't win an, election so let's cry, foul 1678 01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:35.199 let's say it was, stolen or your team didn't win the, 1679 01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:38.680 lottery something's. AMISS i almost don't want to spend any 1680 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.600 oxygen on. It. NOW i understand why you're, disappointed AND 1681 01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:45.159 i even get some of the dynamics that don't land 1682 01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:49.079 well with people that think basketball scripted, Anyway but how 1683 01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:52.119 have you digested the meltdown in our market over the 1684 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:54.640 past forty eight out, well thirty six hours or. 1685 01:22:54.680 --> 01:23:01.159 Whatever there's a very thick sense of irony across the board, 1686 01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:03.720 here AND i always go back to kind of the 1687 01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:07.760 idiom of like when you were a, kid your parents taught, 1688 01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:10.159 you let's, hope AND i feel like most of the 1689 01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:14.680 previous generations were taught how to. Lose you have to 1690 01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:18.680 learn how to take an, now wear, it figure out 1691 01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:23.000 a way to move, forward and you, know press. On but, lately, 1692 01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:27.960 man it is a very fascinating kind of development we 1693 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.079 have culturally where we refuse to do, that whether it's 1694 01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:34.760 in our personal, lives in our you, know political, lives 1695 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:38.359 even in sports. Now and it used to, be, LIKE 1696 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:41.000 i don't, know it used to be your annoying uncle 1697 01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:44.479 or your annoying older brother's friend who would be, like, 1698 01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:48.760 dude it's, all it's. All it's all part of this, timeline. Man, 1699 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:52.439 yeah the powers that be in you, know big, brother Big, 1700 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:56.319 brother all of the. Illuminati that's WHAT i was looking, for. 1701 01:23:56.479 --> 01:24:02.079 Illuminati and now it's LIKE i Think blarson said that 1702 01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:06.239 like seventy five percent of his poll said it's rigged. 1703 01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:10.399 With like two thousand votes three WHEN i checked it was. 1704 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:12.039 Two did get up to? THREE i think. 1705 01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:12.560 So SO. 1706 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:20.039 I think it is a societal failure to understand that 1707 01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:24.560 life is hard and at the end of the, Day 1708 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:28.680 this is an entertainment. Business this is should be viewed 1709 01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:33.840 as professional wrestling. Light that's HOW i would put it to. 1710 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:36.680 People it is a product that you have to pay 1711 01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:39.000 a lot of money for to see in person or 1712 01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:43.760 either on your, tablet your, laptop or YOUR. Tv now 1713 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:46.399 it's not scripted to that, level but at the end 1714 01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:48.680 of the, day it is still. Entertainment so you have 1715 01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:52.560 to figure out a way to compartmentalize how you want 1716 01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:56.439 to prioritize this level of potential stress in your. Life 1717 01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:59.039 because if you have a bunch of adults out there 1718 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.760 who are huffing an puffing and just want to go 1719 01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:04.880 sit out in the rain and scream into the void 1720 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:08.600 like they're On Garden state and Trash, bags good. POLL 1721 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:13.640 i think we have a pretty big problem With. 1722 01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:18.319 YEAH i, mean look and, again you, know it's one 1723 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:22.319 of the great things about fans in our. State they 1724 01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:26.720 feel very strongly about the teams they, support and whether 1725 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:30.159 it's The jazz or college football AND rsl Or Utah Hockey. 1726 01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:33.359 CLUB i feel like the fans in our state are 1727 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:37.159 very passionate about the teams they support and in a 1728 01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:41.319 way feel like those teams represent something to the rest 1729 01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:45.279 of the world that, maybe you, know can shield the 1730 01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:48.079 oddities that our state. Entails and so maybe if The 1731 01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:50.319 jazz are, good then we're. Okay maybe if B yu 1732 01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:52.199 football wins were not weird a billion. 1733 01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:55.199 Percent that is WHY i think when The Donovan Mitchell 1734 01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:59.439 show exploded onto the scene, here that's why he resonated 1735 01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:02.199 with people at a level that really no other professional 1736 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:07.000 athlete really ever has. Before and the inferiority, complex which 1737 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:09.319 we've talked about ad nauseum on your show the last few, 1738 01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:12.560 years is on full display in the wake of, this you, 1739 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:16.720 know of these lottery, results and we're talking about historically 1740 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:20.960 a pretty pervasive culture that is A us versus them. 1741 01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:24.039 Mentality AND i don't think we want to get into 1742 01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:27.439 the anthropological levels of that on The drive On wednesday 1743 01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:31.920 on a Rainy, wednesday but it is easy for a 1744 01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:38.199 lot of folks here to cry foul when they believe 1745 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:40.720 that schemes are at. Play let's just say, that, Yeah. 1746 01:26:41.319 --> 01:26:46.840 And it's so difficult to talk about this with any 1747 01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:50.640 sort of nuance without sounding like you're being insensitive to 1748 01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:52.760 a fan base right now that feels like they've been. 1749 01:26:52.760 --> 01:26:56.720 Screwed BECAUSE i get it where it's not just a one, 1750 01:26:56.840 --> 01:27:01.159 off it's ten times in the. Lottery, ever moving up 1751 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:04.560 with it's ten times in lottery without getting that magic. 1752 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:09.479 Ticket but for every piece of quote unquote proof for, 1753 01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:13.039 evidence you feel like you have to indicate the fixes. 1754 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:15.279 IN i can throw twenty pieces at you to indicate 1755 01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:18.119 that it very much is not. Like the team that 1756 01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:22.600 by far at this point has benefited most from the 1757 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:26.560 lottery is The San Antonio spurs historically, speaking and also 1758 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:29.920 my favorite city. There you, go, okay, well that's if 1759 01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.319 San antonio is for, you then San antonio is for. You, 1760 01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:34.399 Chris i've probably been there six or seven. Times it's 1761 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:36.479 very much not for, ME i, know and it's very 1762 01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:38.560 much not for most of the people in pro. Basketball 1763 01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:41.760 you could make an argument That San antonio is the 1764 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:43.199 worst market in THE. 1765 01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:44.159 Nba not even. 1766 01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:46.000 Kidding let's quantify. 1767 01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:52.039 Worst, Okay, well it's, boring it's not very, big it's 1768 01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:54.159 not very. Fun there's not a lot to. Do you 1769 01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:56.720 can only eat nachos and walk around the river walk 1770 01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:59.000 so many. Times it has Excellent mexican, food doesn't have 1771 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:02.920 a lot of, culture and MOST nba players have never 1772 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:05.920 really chosen to land there via free. Agency it's not 1773 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:08.840 really unlike us when it comes to the view of 1774 01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:12.680 the city across the landscape of pro, Basketball San antonio 1775 01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:14.359 has benefited from the lottery more than. 1776 01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:15.319 ANYONE i don't think it's a. 1777 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:17.399 Debate if you want to throw some other teams in, 1778 01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:20.279 there It's, cleveland which is also on the short list Of, 1779 01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:22.640 HEY i don't really want to live. There it's The 1780 01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:25.279 New Orleans, Pelicans New. ORLEANS i Like New. Orleans i'm 1781 01:28:25.319 --> 01:28:27.000 not here to knock on every. 1782 01:28:27.039 --> 01:28:29.399 City but the point, Is minnesota's got the number one 1783 01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:30.439 pick twice in the last. 1784 01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:32.159 Decade orlando is another. 1785 01:28:32.239 --> 01:28:35.439 One and you, know folks around here probably Here orlando 1786 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:40.119 and they, think Oh, Disney, No Central, florida much different. 1787 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:40.279 Thing. 1788 01:28:40.479 --> 01:28:43.439 Correct the fact of the matter is it hasn't been The, 1789 01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:45.720 lakers it hasn't been The, heat it hasn't been The. 1790 01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:49.920 Knicks When zion was available to be drafted number. One, 1791 01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:52.880 overall The knicks had the best chance to get the 1792 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:53.359 number one. 1793 01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:54.239 Pick it goes to The. 1794 01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:57.840 Pelicans the majority of the teams that have benefited most 1795 01:28:57.920 --> 01:29:00.800 from the lottery system are not Big mark could destinate some. 1796 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:04.760 Cities so the whole like it's. Fixed it's rigged to 1797 01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:08.359 what end to benefit The spurs and the, Calves, like 1798 01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:08.800 give me a. 1799 01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:12.039 Break, well how often have The jazz been in the 1800 01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:14.640 driver's seat to even get a top pick in the 1801 01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:15.319 last forty? 1802 01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:15.920 Years not? 1803 01:29:16.079 --> 01:29:19.039 Often less than, five not. Often, yeah it's got to 1804 01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:20.640 be less than a. Handful yeah. 1805 01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:25.119 Did darren? Year did they didn't they move up to Get? Darren? 1806 01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:27.680 Yeah, yeah they moved up five to three to three. 1807 01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:30.479 Okay and Then canter moved up to. Two. OKAY i 1808 01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.319 THINK i Think canter was three, okay moved up to three. 1809 01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.119 Okay but those were. Right those were two times where 1810 01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:40.399 like The jazz weren't supposed To so the one time 1811 01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:43.479 that it's supposed to go their way and it, doesn't 1812 01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:46.279 we're Gonna we're gonna go to these. Lengths let's be, honest. Guys, 1813 01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:49.479 Yeah and this this goes into the point That i've 1814 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:53.079 been making for a long time is you've existed in 1815 01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:58.079 that mushy. Middle you've existed in the forty to fifty 1816 01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:02.079 five win range for thirty years off and. On now 1817 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:05.439 that's the reason why you're not in the. Mix and 1818 01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.239 the one year you've decided to get in the, mix 1819 01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.399 it doesn't go your. WAY i get, It BUT i 1820 01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:11.199 think the one thing AND i did my, homework, MAN 1821 01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:14.319 i did my. NOTES i know you. Did one thing 1822 01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:16.359 that we haven't talked about OR i haven't heard people talk, 1823 01:30:16.399 --> 01:30:21.000 about is you can be frustrated that The jazz didn't 1824 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:22.960 get the number one overall, pick but if you're A jazz, 1825 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:25.399 fan you should probably be more frustrated of the recent 1826 01:30:25.479 --> 01:30:28.720 lottery picks that clearly are not panning out that The jazz. 1827 01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:33.239 Made Correct if you're talking About Cody williams tenth last, year, 1828 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:35.960 who according to a lot of, people could have potentially 1829 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:41.119 gone number one in a very weak, draft barely could 1830 01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:44.319 play last, YEAR i Think hollinger or somebody had him 1831 01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:48.119 rated as like the worst per stat nerd thing in the, league. 1832 01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:51.439 One of the worst in the history as far as rookies. 1833 01:30:51.479 --> 01:30:54.319 Go Keante George fringe lottery. GUY i think he was 1834 01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:57.439 like the fourteenth or fifteenth or, okay something like. That, yeah, 1835 01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:02.640 yeah mid first. Round you know has, talent but clearly 1836 01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:05.239 isn't a top tier. Guy The Taylor hendricks one is 1837 01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:08.079 difficult to judge because of the, injury but the year 1838 01:31:08.119 --> 01:31:10.479 before he got, hurt he was pretty much playing with the, 1839 01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:16.119 stars so like And and my point, is WHILE i 1840 01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:17.960 did my, NOTES i looked at the teams that are 1841 01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:22.800 remaining in THE nba, playoffs and there are a multitude 1842 01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:25.520 of players that were drafted not in the top, five 1843 01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:30.600 that are leading their teams right. Now Steph curry seventh. 1844 01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:35.479 Overall do you know who the second highest remaining player 1845 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:40.159 who was drafted highest outside of The, celtics so to 1846 01:31:40.319 --> 01:31:46.600 eliminate The, celtics not number? One so you can't Do, 1847 01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:50.000 cat you can't Do ant and No, ant, okay No, 1848 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:55.960 cat No, ant No. Celtics Jamal murray seventh. Overall then 1849 01:31:56.000 --> 01:32:03.600 you Have halliburton, Twelve sga, Eleventh Mikal bridges, Tenth Jalen williams, 1850 01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:09.159 Twelfth Jimmy butler, Thirtieth Pascal siakam twenty. Seventh like all 1851 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:11.520 of these guys have gotten to various points of their 1852 01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:15.039 careers by playing generally on bad, teams and then you, 1853 01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:19.199 know as as the story, goes you eventually get to move. 1854 01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:22.840 Up but these are not guys that were considered to 1855 01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:26.399 be can't miss, prospects and here they, ARE i mean The, 1856 01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:30.520 pacers for crying out, loud Have, haliburton who was drafted 1857 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:34.279 by The, kings and was a fringe lottery. GUY i 1858 01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:36.079 think a lot of people kind of Left Myles turner 1859 01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:38.680 for dead once upon a time as like a potential star, 1860 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:41.359 player And siakam had a great run In. Toronto they 1861 01:32:41.399 --> 01:32:44.159 acquired him via. Trade my point is is that the 1862 01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:48.000 infrastructure The jazz just simply haven't built since Dealing darren 1863 01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:50.159 or Dealing donovan And rudy. 1864 01:32:50.000 --> 01:32:53.640 One hundred, Percent Jalen bronson thirty, Three Nicole jokic forty, one. 1865 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:56.840 And The raymond also another. Second it's a really. 1866 01:32:56.720 --> 01:33:01.520 Good point because now the issue with where The jazz 1867 01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:06.279 find themselves because of what you just pointed, out you, 1868 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:10.520 know the inability so. Far you, Know Walker kessler was 1869 01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:12.880 was in the two and he was in the go bet, 1870 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:16.720 Trade larry marketing and The mitchell. Trade AND i keep saying, 1871 01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:19.399 this those are the only two Where i'm, like, yeah all, 1872 01:33:19.479 --> 01:33:21.960 Right larry And, Walker, okay we've got those. 1873 01:33:22.039 --> 01:33:24.720 Two but but it's it's still kind of a MAYBE 1874 01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:27.039 i think those. 1875 01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:29.640 Two have have you, KNOW i think they've established. 1876 01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:31.960 It they're, good they, are but are they going to 1877 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:34.239 be part of the next good? Jest that's a good. 1878 01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:37.239 Question but where The jazz find themselves kind of up 1879 01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:41.359 a creek without a paddle because of Even Isaiah. COLLIER 1880 01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:43.880 i honestly don't know That i'm ready to Say Isaiah 1881 01:33:43.960 --> 01:33:46.479 collier is a ROTATIONAL nba player for a team that's 1882 01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:50.119 trying to. WIN i think he showed some. Things keyante 1883 01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:52.840 leaves a lot of. Questions we'll see what happens With 1884 01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:57.000 taylor when he gets. Healthy, Uh cody has a marathon to. 1885 01:33:57.079 --> 01:34:01.159 Go the problem with the failures so far of building 1886 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:05.640 up an infrastructure that is appealing to other teams is 1887 01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:08.439 that there are conversations About phoenix blowing. Up there are 1888 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:12.520 conversations About giannis being willing to be. Traded If boston 1889 01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:15.720 loses tonight with The tatum. Injury they have a new ownership. 1890 01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:17.560 Group they will have a luxury tax bill of over 1891 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:19.920 five hundred million dollars next year just for the right 1892 01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:22.319 to have the. Team, okay so what's going to happen 1893 01:34:22.359 --> 01:34:24.359 on the open market this? Year is there a lot 1894 01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:26.840 of good players are going to be. Available The jazz 1895 01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.880 don't have anything to offer outside of draft. Capital and 1896 01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:33.479 if You're, milwaukee you can talk To Oklahoma city about 1897 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:38.279 their bevy of draft. Picks and also Chet holmgrin And Jalen, 1898 01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:41.039 Williams like you can get two really good young players FROM, 1899 01:34:41.640 --> 01:34:46.079 Okc San antonio Or houston in addition to the same 1900 01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:49.399 draft capital The jazz. Have and so if You're, milwaukee 1901 01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:52.239 The jazz just don't have anything to offer For, Jannis 1902 01:34:52.479 --> 01:34:55.840 they don't have anything to offer For Jalen brown Or Kevin, durant. 1903 01:34:55.680 --> 01:34:57.239 Like they don't have anything to offer. 1904 01:34:57.319 --> 01:34:59.239 Anybody they're not going to be in the, mix and 1905 01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:02.479 so it just continues to be this slow. Build the 1906 01:35:02.600 --> 01:35:07.279 question now Becomes chris And Tim bontemps FROM espn wrote 1907 01:35:07.279 --> 01:35:10.199 a good piece where he quoted a couple of front 1908 01:35:10.239 --> 01:35:12.800 office people in THE. Nba they were celebrating the fact 1909 01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:15.279 that The jazz and The wizard specifically did not get 1910 01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:18.000 the number one overall pick because they don't want to 1911 01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:23.279 see intentional losing. Rewarded so twenty Nineteen Adam silver flattens 1912 01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:25.520 the lottery Odd since, then the worst team in THE 1913 01:35:25.640 --> 01:35:28.039 nba has not sniffed the number one overall pick one. 1914 01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:31.439 Time what do The jazz do? Now do they try 1915 01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:33.840 to change the ethos to actually put their best foot 1916 01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:36.359 forward and what does that even look like with this? 1917 01:35:36.560 --> 01:35:40.359 Roster well, one, well let's touch on what you were just. 1918 01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:42.399 SAYING i don't think they can they have. 1919 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:43.479 A because they're not good. 1920 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:45.760 Enough they have a bleep ton of cap. Room BUT 1921 01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:48.920 i don't, know who are you going to convince to 1922 01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:51.319 take a bunch of projects off your? Hands? Now the 1923 01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:55.520 picks you, know like you, know THE Mj MEME fm, 1924 01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:58.880 picks you, know like or that maybe wasn't nameed to 1925 01:35:58.920 --> 01:35:59.600 somebody else. 1926 01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:01.720 But was, Okay BUT i think at the time it 1927 01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:06.680 was bleeped those, kids that's, right which, no but that's 1928 01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:09.079 what it means advocating that. 1929 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:14.720 What do they have to? Offer they. Don't you're talking 1930 01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:18.039 about a bunch of projects and an one Time All. 1931 01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:21.520 Star AND i know people think That Walker kessler is 1932 01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:24.960 the second coming Of Mark, eaton but he's. Not like 1933 01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:27.680 he's A he's a decent big man who can play 1934 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:31.039 defense in the MODERN nba where basically nobody plays. Defense 1935 01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:34.680 but does that make a difference when you want to 1936 01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:39.039 become a deep postseason, TEAM i honestly don't, Know LIKE i. 1937 01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:41.640 DON'T i. Don't thinking of the teams that are, LEFT 1938 01:36:41.680 --> 01:36:44.680 i don't know how many of them have the profile 1939 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:48.600 of a player That Walker kessler. Represents, anyways that's. It 1940 01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:51.479 that's a that's a different. Story My my point is 1941 01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:56.199 we talk about player development with this. Organization look At 1942 01:36:56.239 --> 01:37:01.039 okay Se. Man those players played on really, really really 1943 01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:04.840 bad teams for a long. Time and these are outside Of, 1944 01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:07.159 chet who was a byproduct of being really bad for 1945 01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:10.239 a long. Time these were guys that were drafted late. 1946 01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:13.079 LOTTERY i don't even know where Lou dort was, drafted 1947 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:18.079 but he developed into a PLAY i, mean, okay so 1948 01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:23.279 you're talking about The, Jalens, sga Lou dort and then 1949 01:37:23.439 --> 01:37:29.159 there they're circuses undrafted see, exactly and their circus of 1950 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:33.600 very talented role, players all of guys who were, not you, 1951 01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:37.840 know big time lottery. Players The jazz haven't shown the 1952 01:37:37.920 --> 01:37:42.000 ability to develop players even in bad. Seasons, SGA i 1953 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.279 think will always be will be an exception BECAUSE i 1954 01:37:44.359 --> 01:37:46.680 think he was considered the gem of That Chris paul 1955 01:37:46.760 --> 01:37:48.920 dial once upon a, time but he was still no. 1956 01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:54.319 Guarantee so is there a player on This jazz roster 1957 01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:59.359 that has can sniff even remotely the potential of? Anybody let's, 1958 01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:01.800 say and maybe this is unfair to compare them to 1959 01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:04.680 where okayc was four or five years. Ago but it's 1960 01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:07.600 kind of the closest Comp, yeah and is there anybody 1961 01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:12.159 on this roster that has the ceiling that some of 1962 01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:12.640 these guys. 1963 01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:14.119 Have, no the answer is. 1964 01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:16.439 No and it's not unfair to compare The jazz to 1965 01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:20.359 Where Oklahoma city, was or Where detroit, was or Where orlando, 1966 01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:23.960 was because The jazz find themselves in the spot now 1967 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:26.880 where those teams were when they were trying to get 1968 01:38:26.920 --> 01:38:32.159 back to. Respectability but the problem is those teams were showing. 1969 01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:34.600 Signs when you started to see What shay could be 1970 01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:36.720 as the primary, Guy you're, like all, right they've got something. 1971 01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:39.640 There When caid got, Healthy you're, like they've got something. 1972 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:41.760 There When pollo showed that he should have been the 1973 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:44.520 number one pick and Not, Chabari you're, like they've got something. 1974 01:38:44.600 --> 01:38:46.760 There all these teams THAT i use as an. 1975 01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:50.640 Example of them being where The jazz are at three 1976 01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:54.720 four years, ago had signs of improvement and hope that 1977 01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:57.439 this team does not have for the fan. Base so 1978 01:38:57.840 --> 01:39:01.079 if we're in lockstep about the inability to acquire a 1979 01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.520 real game changer via trade just based off of what 1980 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:05.800 you have on the, Roster so what does it look 1981 01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:08.880 like next year if you add five and maybe twenty. 1982 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:10.479 One they have the twenty first pick as. 1983 01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:14.640 Well but what you don't do is intentionally lose games 1984 01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:17.680 by faking injuries with players or having your seven foot 1985 01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:19.840 or shoot seven threes a. Night what you do do 1986 01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:22.760 is put your best foot forward based off of what 1987 01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:25.119 you have. Here what does that look like if you're 1988 01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:28.159 not gonna if you're not going to intentionally lose games 1989 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:31.520 like they clearly did this, year and you're not inventing 1990 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:34.920 injuries for, marketing and you're not inventing injuries For clarkson 1991 01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:38.399 And sexton And, collins and you're playing walker and you're 1992 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:41.920 actually trying to win because you've now done your calculation 1993 01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:44.439 that tanking does no, good so we might as well 1994 01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:46.920 do our fan base as service and actually show up for. 1995 01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:50.720 Work what does that look like with this? TEAM i 1996 01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:51.159 think it's. 1997 01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:56.840 Great it's best case. Scenario it's a thirty two win, 1998 01:39:57.039 --> 01:40:00.840 team which if we're talking, historically means they might have 1999 01:40:00.920 --> 01:40:07.199 a better chance of What i'm. Saying and you, know you, 2000 01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:10.039 KNOW i grind on a lot of you do, podcasts 2001 01:40:10.199 --> 01:40:11.680 AND i did a big one for you this. WEEK 2002 01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:13.760 i listened to The Zach low. Podcast you listened To 2003 01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:17.359 Zach and the fascinating thing THAT i took away from 2004 01:40:17.399 --> 01:40:24.079 that was teams voted twenty nine to one to flatten the. Curve, 2005 01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:25.960 yes they. Did do you know the one team who did? 2006 01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:27.920 Not is it The Jazz? 2007 01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:29.319 Washington? 2008 01:40:29.399 --> 01:40:31.720 Okay see. Okay Sam presty said the only way for 2009 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:35.640 a market like ours to get game changing talent is 2010 01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:37.760 through the. Lottery, yeah The jazz voted for. 2011 01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:37.880 That. 2012 01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:42.159 Interesting, yeah, Yeah so it just leads you to wonder 2013 01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:44.279 whether or not they're going to change their viewpoint and 2014 01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:46.119 they'll get a good player at, five. 2015 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:48.239 But they have to get the RIGHT i, mean like 2016 01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:51.199 they just have to get good. Players, yeah so, simple 2017 01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:55.680 and it sounds very LIKE u. Reductive there you, go 2018 01:40:56.159 --> 01:40:59.720 but like they just SIMPLY i don't know who's in 2019 01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:04.000 the scouting, department the front. OFFICE i know everyone was 2020 01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:07.199 obsessed With Danny ainge's ability to draft players because he 2021 01:41:07.359 --> 01:41:12.760 Chose tatum And, brown but it hasn't panned out so, 2022 01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:15.920 far AND i just don't know if any of these 2023 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:18.039 players on the roster are going to make a leap 2024 01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:19.399 in the next two to three. YEARS i, mean the 2025 01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:23.880 most disheartening thing is that you feel like, now rather 2026 01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:27.239 than being three to five years. Away they could potentially 2027 01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:28.359 be five to seven years. 2028 01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:31.039 Away and As i've talked to you about and other 2029 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:34.319 guests on this, show the reality is a lot of 2030 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:38.560 teams have gone through, five, seven, eight nine. Years detroit 2031 01:41:38.640 --> 01:41:40.560 hasn't won a home playoff game since two thousand and. 2032 01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:44.079 EIGHT i Think charlotte's gone twenty one years without a playoff. 2033 01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:44.279 Win. 2034 01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:49.600 Minnesota minnesota just barely won playoff series in back to 2035 01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:52.119 back years for the first time in twenty five. Years 2036 01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:56.800 that bear cap, RIGHT i, mean, so like what the 2037 01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:01.359 reality is of the current, Situation and, LOOK i am 2038 01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:03.319 not here for the Whole, like, hey it took three 2039 01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:04.720 years to break, down now we're. 2040 01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:05.600 Rebuilt shut. 2041 01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:09.039 Up it's so insulting that they would even have the 2042 01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:12.079 nerve to propagate that. Message the reality is that we 2043 01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:14.479 are three years into a project that might take eight 2044 01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:18.039 or nine. Years it might, Okay, now there are lightning 2045 01:42:18.079 --> 01:42:20.600 and bottle situations that happen all the. Time and to 2046 01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:22.640 your point about the list you, read it doesn't have 2047 01:42:22.760 --> 01:42:25.960 to happen at. One it's more likely to happen at. 2048 01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:27.960 One it's more likely to happen to the top. Three 2049 01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:30.760 but based off of the history of this, market our 2050 01:42:30.800 --> 01:42:33.680 best players being mid, lottery late first, round some of 2051 01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:37.399 the Second paul millsapp and, others and other examples as. 2052 01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:40.920 Well you can find diamonds in the. Rough the best 2053 01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:42.840 player in the world was the second round. Pick but 2054 01:42:43.079 --> 01:42:46.319 at this point they have not shown the ability to 2055 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:48.880 draft and develop well at least this iteration of The 2056 01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:51.920 jazz final question for this. Segment it was posed to 2057 01:42:51.960 --> 01:42:55.520 me earlier on a SHOW i did how long will 2058 01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:58.000 the fans? Ride how long do the fans? Ride in 2059 01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:02.479 this market where we went From john And carl To 2060 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:04.960 darren And, booze From darren And booze To hayward And, 2061 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:08.439 favors From hayward And favors To rudy And, mitchell and 2062 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:11.319 all of those teams are very. Competitive whether you think 2063 01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:13.840 they were championship teams or, NOT i, didn't but they 2064 01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:17.079 were at least. Competitive we are now potentially in for 2065 01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:20.000 the first time that this will take longer than two 2066 01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:20.319 or three. 2067 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:23.079 Years it's already been. Three how long did jazz fans? 2068 01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:26.640 RIDE i think you could break it down into several. 2069 01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:30.159 Tiers first, off it would behoove the powers that be 2070 01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:33.479 to be clear and concise about what they want to 2071 01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:38.079 do and like say it into a microphone and probably 2072 01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:40.199 avoid the phrase big game hunting. 2073 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:43.840 At all costs, costs and then Signed Drew. Ubanks it's 2074 01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:44.279 not gonna. 2075 01:43:44.319 --> 01:43:47.119 Work, hey he got. Traded he, did he, did he 2076 01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:48.039 didn't have what it takes to. 2077 01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:50.439 Take but that was their first signing after The Big game. 2078 01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:51.880 Hunting it Was Drew. Ubanks that's. 2079 01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:56.479 Right i'm fascinated to see what tickets, cost to see 2080 01:43:56.479 --> 01:44:00.880 if any of that is more massage to be logical 2081 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:03.159 for the product that you're selling to a fan base 2082 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:08.399 that is doesn't suffer fools and understands what good basketball. 2083 01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:11.199 Is it's a big off, season, MAN i, mean like 2084 01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:13.640 you can you can make an argument that this is 2085 01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:21.399 the biggest off season twenty years since Post john And. 2086 01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:24.720 Carl but even Post john And, carl you Had jerry 2087 01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:29.119 That jerry Ak. Bridge you had a little Ak bridge, 2088 01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:32.159 Elbow yeah. 2089 01:44:32.239 --> 01:44:34.039 On the, curl played, football, right. 2090 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:39.880 BOWLER i just. It it behooves everybody to be transparent 2091 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:42.600 about what they want to do and when when your, 2092 01:44:42.680 --> 01:44:46.319 guy your, guy which one the guy who screamed into 2093 01:44:46.359 --> 01:44:48.399 the who screamed In, yeah. 2094 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:51.239 Hey my guy went on on a, run on a. 2095 01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:53.359 Run the sun was rising over. 2096 01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:56.520 The the goal doesn't, CHANGE i would, SAY i would 2097 01:44:56.520 --> 01:44:58.479 ask to say what what that goal? Is and if 2098 01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:01.239 you say build a champ being ship contender In, utah 2099 01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:02.439 then you have to, say, then how. 2100 01:45:02.760 --> 01:45:06.119 Right porter revealed to us that he makes that run every. 2101 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:08.439 Morning he runs and then as soon as the sun 2102 01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:12.960 rises over The wasatch he lets out an Audible, Porter, 2103 01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:15.199 WELL i know THAT i Know porter, well But ry did. 2104 01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:17.479 Once but that's a daily routine for our. Guy, YEAH 2105 01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.840 i told, you maybe not it's at. SUNRISE i might 2106 01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:22.920 BE i might be fast asleep at that. Point nothing 2107 01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:26.000 would have made me more full of joy IF i 2108 01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:27.840 was on a walk With duke in the morning and 2109 01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:31.880 suddenly my guy comes running along just, screaming shirtless or, 2110 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:33.560 no you think he's wearing the. Shirt, oh he's wearing the, 2111 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:36.520 shirt long sleeve hat, backwards long, sleep. 2112 01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:37.039 Long sleeve hat. 2113 01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:41.960 Backwards, yeah, okay just sprinting along The Wasatch, mountain sun 2114 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:47.159 rising audible and like viral yell coming from the bottom 2115 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:50.319 of the. Garden Garden, State, Ye Garden, STATE i like. 2116 01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:52.600 It what was your reaction when were you watching the? 2117 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:55.760 LOTTERY i started laughing And amanda was, like why are you, 2118 01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:59.119 laughing AND i was, like oh, MAN i feel for 2119 01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:01.319 my friends and our friends who work over. There, sure 2120 01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:05.800 BECAUSE i think the messaging was a little. Off you, 2121 01:46:05.880 --> 01:46:08.760 know The instagram posts of we like our, odds where it's, 2122 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:11.039 like you shouldn't because you have fourteen, percent like you 2123 01:46:11.159 --> 01:46:13.359 have an eighty six percent chance of not getting the 2124 01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:15.439 number one? Pixel what are you? Doing we like our? 2125 01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:21.880 Odds that are not. Good but my reaction WAS i 2126 01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:24.560 feel bad for some friends that work over. There and 2127 01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:29.720 then it immediately was a tail spin of embarrassment from 2128 01:46:29.800 --> 01:46:33.119 a lot of local media. Members oh my, god that 2129 01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:35.680 was my favorite. Part everybody was And i'll say, it 2130 01:46:36.159 --> 01:46:37.600 And i'm not going to, swear but it's a it's 2131 01:46:37.640 --> 01:46:40.119 a swear THAT i can say on. Air everybody was 2132 01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:42.920 showing their. Ass, oh for, sure everybody. Was and it 2133 01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:47.359 was the encapsulation of all the bad stereotypes About utah 2134 01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:48.920 in a couple. 2135 01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:52.760 Hours, yeah the local media meltdown may have been my favorite. 2136 01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:53.600 PART i will tell you. 2137 01:46:53.720 --> 01:46:57.640 THIS i felt so bad For, ASHLEY i felt so 2138 01:46:57.880 --> 01:46:59.560 bad For ryan's, LIKE i, DON'T. 2139 01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:02.760 I don't. Know i'm not trying to tell another man 2140 01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:03.760 what to do about a family. 2141 01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:06.920 SITUATION i don't know that you want to Send ashley 2142 01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:09.720 in that scenario LIKE i wanted to reach THE tv 2143 01:47:09.800 --> 01:47:10.199 and give her a. 2144 01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:12.920 HUG i felt so bad for. Her, WELL i, mean 2145 01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:15.439 they'll be there next year and she's gonna be. 2146 01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:18.720 OKAY i, mean look As ryan on his run with 2147 01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:20.319 the visceral, yell, realize we'll. 2148 01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:21.920 See we'll see who represents them next. 2149 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:24.840 Year let me ask you, this go, ahead if The 2150 01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:30.439 jazz So xanik gave the media the interviews after The 2151 01:47:30.560 --> 01:47:33.199 jazz got, five if The jazz got, one who does? 2152 01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:38.600 MEDIA i would, Say justin And, ryan you know our 2153 01:47:38.640 --> 01:47:42.359 guys up. There oh, yeah and no visceral yell needed after. 2154 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:45.800 That maybe maybe a different type of visceral, yell maybe 2155 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:46.199 a holler. 2156 01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:51.399 Bring that's Why gay Sap we'll catch a. Break coming 2157 01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:56.640 up next B yu as a new athletic. Director The 2158 01:47:56.720 --> 01:47:59.880 Big twelve has Their vegas odds released for over. On 2159 01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:02.000 we're going to go through The university Of utah football. 2160 01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:04.000 Schedule chris is gonna tell us win or loss for 2161 01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:07.079 every single. Game let's go some college football coming up 2162 01:48:07.119 --> 01:48:08.920 on the other side WITH ck live in. Studio keep 2163 01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:10.840 it right here ON espn seven Hundred. 2164 01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:16.359 Download THE espn seven hundred app for free and Take 2165 01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:19.239 utah's number one sports talk with you where ever you, 2166 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:22.600 Go utah's best local and national sports, TALK U Top 2167 01:48:22.640 --> 01:48:26.520 football And basketball, podcast and, more all on THE espn 2168 01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:29.960 seven hundred, apps available now on The App store And Google. 2169 01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:34.800 Play yoh for another big. Segment by the, way thanks 2170 01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:37.039 for leaving your house on a rainy. Day we usually 2171 01:48:37.119 --> 01:48:38.279 only get you when the sun is. 2172 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:42.359 Shining. Correct, yeah it's we can't win them. All we 2173 01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:45.680 were winning them a lot in the end Of april Early. 2174 01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:45.960 May. 2175 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:48.119 Yep But i'll take. It it's not. 2176 01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:50.720 Snow the light of the end of the tunnel is 2177 01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:52.279 already coming. Gone we're. 2178 01:48:52.359 --> 01:48:54.520 GOOD i, MEAN i definitely woke up to walk the 2179 01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:57.279 dogs today in thirty eight degree weather and rain at seven, 2180 01:48:57.279 --> 01:48:58.560 am AND i wasn't thrilled about. 2181 01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:01.560 That but it's like it's a tolerable thirty eight degrees, 2182 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:04.520 sure you know WHAT i? Mean you, know like in 2183 01:49:04.680 --> 01:49:07.079 this you get the fresh the crispness of the, air 2184 01:49:08.359 --> 01:49:11.000 AND i Think mays the best month of the. 2185 01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:13.760 YEAR i agree with that. Weatherwise how many coat of 2186 01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:14.760 packs of jackets do you? 2187 01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:15.159 Have so? 2188 01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:17.760 MANY i need to get at least one because every 2189 01:49:17.800 --> 01:49:19.880 time you wear one In i'm more of a patagony you. 2190 01:49:19.960 --> 01:49:23.000 Guy Okay North, Face, oh, Okay East. Coast you know the. 2191 01:49:23.079 --> 01:49:27.000 Deal my brother in, law Legend. Ben what Up? Ben 2192 01:49:27.319 --> 01:49:29.359 he used to be one of the head designers, There 2193 01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:32.680 so you got hook hookup on he's At Black. Diamond, 2194 01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:35.880 oh very very talented. 2195 01:49:35.960 --> 01:49:37.520 Kid ben sounds like a GUY i need to get 2196 01:49:37.520 --> 01:49:39.119 to know you Should so what do you hook you up? 2197 01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:41.640 On deals With? JACKETS i, MEAN i don't know what 2198 01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:42.199 do you THINK. 2199 01:49:42.199 --> 01:49:43.560 I mean like back in the, day would he? 2200 01:49:43.840 --> 01:49:47.119 Yes but not? Anymore friends and family? Discount CAN i get? 2201 01:49:47.159 --> 01:49:50.159 That are you? Friends i'm friends with the. Family, well 2202 01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:51.800 you got to Know. BEN i got to introduce you 2203 01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:52.199 To Ben. 2204 01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:54.039 WELL i Know, Amanda, YEAH i Know. 2205 01:49:54.159 --> 01:49:54.399 Leo. 2206 01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:56.680 Yeah CAN i be a friend of the. Family you 2207 01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:59.560 can thank, You, ben if you're, listening hook me up 2208 01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:02.439 with the discoun. Code, actually you know, what Don't is 2209 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:04.640 there A Ben? Checkets there is my little brother. Beg 2210 01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:06.119 he's the creative director At. 2211 01:50:06.199 --> 01:50:06.920 Rone it must be. 2212 01:50:07.039 --> 01:50:09.880 Something you're also welcome to a family friends? Discount It 2213 01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:12.680 ron go to round dot. Com all, RIGHT i recind 2214 01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:14.800 that ask because it's one of the THINGS i don't 2215 01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:17.680 like about our market where everyone wants everything for free. 2216 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:20.239 Favor no one will ever pay for. Tickets you gotta know. 2217 01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:22.399 Someone no one's ever gonna buy a jacket you need 2218 01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:24.359 twenty five percent. Off so you know, WHAT i am 2219 01:50:24.439 --> 01:50:26.520 going to buy a cot Of paxi jacket without a disc. 2220 01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:29.000 And i'm going to buy something From. Rome you already 2221 01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:30.600 have a, Hat, no, OH i do my white? 2222 01:50:30.640 --> 01:50:30.720 One? 2223 01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:32.439 Yeah, yeah the. ONE i only wear a golfing so 2224 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:33.680 once a. Year. 2225 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:37.000 Correct all, right give me a quick hot. TAKE rsl 2226 01:50:37.239 --> 01:50:37.720 is in action. 2227 01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:38.159 Tonight. 2228 01:50:38.319 --> 01:50:42.039 OKAY i know nothing About portland other than they're good this. 2229 01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:43.680 Year do you know anything about? 2230 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:46.600 THEM i. Don't my hot. Take my hot take is, 2231 01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:50.279 that basically it's the same thing THAT i said last. 2232 01:50:50.319 --> 01:50:54.279 WEEK rsl does one. Thing, okay sometimes they Diego. Luna, 2233 01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:57.680 well sometimes he's so good. Man other than, that they 2234 01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:01.119 don't do. Anything. Well, yeah do you know how many 2235 01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:02.960 FORMER rsl strikers scored On? 2236 01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:09.880 Saturday chi cho Okay, Anderson, yep the. Moose the moose 2237 01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:12.119 is freaking, loose, dude shout Out John. PAUL i, KNOW 2238 01:51:12.439 --> 01:51:14.439 i know the moose got. One the REASON i know 2239 01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:16.079 the moose got one IS i was playing golf With 2240 01:51:16.119 --> 01:51:19.560 elliott and he was celebrating all of his former players playing. 2241 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:19.800 Well. 2242 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:26.000 Yep and then Former Academy monarch Product Milan alaski scored 2243 01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:28.199 For Saint. Louis he's still. Around, well he was In, 2244 01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:31.079 europe came. Back Saint louis signed. Him he was like San, Diego, 2245 01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:32.079 sorry San diego signed. 2246 01:51:32.119 --> 01:51:36.079 Him he was like a good young. Player so, four, 2247 01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:38.039 okay four FORMER. 2248 01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:40.159 RSLs, WELL i guess and we can count if we're 2249 01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:43.319 counting former. Players albert scored. Two we got to count. 2250 01:51:43.319 --> 01:51:48.680 Out so five FORMER rsl players scored and first start 2251 01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:51.640 for your for your, guy Big Willie, Goles yeah he 2252 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:53.560 is my. Guy did? It how did it? Go didn't go? 2253 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:57.800 WELL a couple of yells guys out. Tonight Johnny russell 2254 01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:00.800 available for selection this. EVENING i, believe big. Deal that 2255 01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:04.680 is a big. DEAL i think they win. Tonight uh, 2256 01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:06.840 no they lose two one diego. 2257 01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:11.319 Scores they. Lose, Yeah i'll, Go i'll do. THAT i 2258 01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:15.560 mean he has seven goals and then and everyone. OUT 2259 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:17.720 i think the second leading score on the team is 2260 01:52:17.720 --> 01:52:18.760 a bunch of guys tied for. 2261 01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:21.720 One that is, correct including our. Guys sam, junka who's 2262 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:22.479 the backup left? 2263 01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:24.960 Back, yep AND i AND i get that they are 2264 01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:28.680 in dire straits on the back. LINE i Think gladys 2265 01:52:28.720 --> 01:52:32.720 suspended or somebody's one defender suspended because of yellow card. 2266 01:52:32.720 --> 01:52:35.680 Accumulation then a bunch of other dudes are. OUT i 2267 01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:38.479 DON'T i, MEAN i don't. KNOW i haven't, heard But 2268 01:52:38.800 --> 01:52:41.119 vera gotta be out for a. While, dude that was 2269 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:43.039 a tough. KNOCK i, KNOW i bring it up every, 2270 01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:48.159 week but, shit shoot my, bad we did. It we 2271 01:52:48.319 --> 01:52:49.119 did it shooting. 2272 01:52:49.359 --> 01:52:51.880 Bad it's only taken four, years that's, Right it's all. 2273 01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:52.880 Good you can send me the. 2274 01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:56.560 Bill, no you Realize Amy donaldson swears every time she's 2275 01:52:56.600 --> 01:52:57.720 on the, show so you're in good. 2276 01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:03.640 Company but, so, yeah, big we did, it, big Big willie. 2277 01:53:03.640 --> 01:53:05.159 Goals at least it wasn't the other. 2278 01:53:05.239 --> 01:53:07.239 One, no, no, No and you, know we really should 2279 01:53:07.279 --> 01:53:09.399 operate with a dumb. Button but you, KNOW i guess 2280 01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:11.520 that's not in the. Budget so you're gonna go to One. 2281 01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:13.920 Portland i'll go to On Portland diego scores in the. 2282 01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:16.359 Rain Is diego already better than you thought he could ever? 2283 01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:16.479 Be? 2284 01:53:17.039 --> 01:53:21.159 Uh, yeah but like you saw what he was capable 2285 01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:23.640 of when he played With chico And gomez last year 2286 01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:26.600 because he was scoring goals and. ASSISTING i think at one, 2287 01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:28.960 point like he, LIKE i think at this time last 2288 01:53:29.039 --> 01:53:32.520 year he already had like ten. ASSISTS i think he 2289 01:53:32.600 --> 01:53:35.239 has zero assists this. YEAR i think he has seven 2290 01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:39.560 goals and zero. Assists let's, see which is kind of 2291 01:53:39.640 --> 01:53:43.920 emblematic of the metaphor of carrying a team on your. 2292 01:53:43.920 --> 01:53:45.600 Shoulders let's see the. 2293 01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:48.920 Stats, well just you, know pulling up the stats computers 2294 01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:52.159 running little slow. Today, yeah seven, goals and you know 2295 01:53:52.880 --> 01:53:55.640 every goal he scores is like a wonder. Strike you, 2296 01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:58.279 know they're not just like tap ins or, Whatever like 2297 01:53:58.359 --> 01:54:01.720 who was the was? It euromuff's an who just seemed 2298 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:04.039 like every game he would just kind of that's a 2299 01:54:04.079 --> 01:54:07.359 great pull for tapping seven goals to assists for as, okay, 2300 01:54:08.039 --> 01:54:08.760 uh Does diego? 2301 01:54:08.880 --> 01:54:09.800 Suck is he just not? 2302 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:14.760 Good he doesn't suck because if he, sucked he wouldn't 2303 01:54:14.800 --> 01:54:17.520 be a professional on one of the better lower level 2304 01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:24.880 teams In. EUROPE i think you have to be somewhat 2305 01:54:24.920 --> 01:54:27.279 of an alpha if you want to come in as 2306 01:54:27.319 --> 01:54:31.880 an attacking player IN mls at THE dp, spot and 2307 01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:37.159 it doesn't even need to be Like. Ambiance you just 2308 01:54:37.279 --> 01:54:40.920 have to. Deliver LIKE i think Of, Albert like When albert, 2309 01:54:41.039 --> 01:54:44.720 came he Was hobby's. Replacement he had huge shoes to 2310 01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:48.359 fill and it was an impossible. Job but if you 2311 01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:51.119 look at his stat record during his time, here like 2312 01:54:51.199 --> 01:54:53.600 six or seven, years the dude scored a lot of 2313 01:54:53.640 --> 01:54:56.800 goals and like really really. GOOD i mean like really. 2314 01:54:56.840 --> 01:55:00.239 Good and if that's going to be kind of how 2315 01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:02.840 you carry yourself on the. Field you don't need to 2316 01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:04.760 be the loudest person in the locker. Room you don't 2317 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:07.680 need to be you, know your GUY kb, Five you 2318 01:55:07.720 --> 01:55:10.720 don't need to be throwing your weight. Around but if 2319 01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:12.760 you're an attacking, player, man you got to. Produce AND 2320 01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:16.439 i THINK i think we said we talked about this last, 2321 01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:19.680 week but the summer transfer windows signings from last summer 2322 01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:21.279 are no bueno right? 2323 01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:24.880 Now, YEAH i mean, Yeah diego's the bright, spot a. 2324 01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:28.119 Mecca shout out innate bench and uh oh. Hato those 2325 01:55:28.159 --> 01:55:29.520 two central holding mids are. 2326 01:55:29.439 --> 01:55:30.039 Good they're very. 2327 01:55:30.079 --> 01:55:33.600 Good there's just nothing up top and there's no answer 2328 01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:36.640 on the. ROSTER i, MEAN i try to wax positive 2329 01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:38.720 about the. CLUB i just it's hard to right. 2330 01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:40.680 Now do you Think i'm gonna flip the script on? 2331 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:44.359 You oh? Wow do you think The millers are going 2332 01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:48.680 to splash the cash this summer for a high profile? 2333 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:49.279 PLAYER i do. 2334 01:55:50.359 --> 01:55:53.399 Now the question THAT i keep coming back to is 2335 01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:55.560 whether or, Not and it might be too. Late it 2336 01:55:55.640 --> 01:55:57.800 might be too late because the academy has developed and 2337 01:55:57.880 --> 01:55:58.399 the ethos that. 2338 01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:00.600 DEVELOPED i just, wonder. 2339 01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:03.279 BECAUSE i Know steve Starts Steve's seve wants to. Win 2340 01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:05.439 he's a competitive. Dude he you, know, LIKE i think 2341 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:08.079 there's PROBABLY i don't know this for, sure BUT i 2342 01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:10.560 wonder how The millers would articulate the Way ryan is 2343 01:56:10.640 --> 01:56:13.159 running The jazz and their decision to lose on purpose 2344 01:56:13.239 --> 01:56:15.600 That millers never wanted to do. That they always wanted 2345 01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:17.720 to try to put a competitive team on the. Floor 2346 01:56:18.359 --> 01:56:20.640 AND i know there are jazz fans listening that will probably, say, 2347 01:56:20.640 --> 01:56:23.239 well they never play luxury tax AND i understand, that 2348 01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:25.960 but WHENEVER i hear the whole, like, well The millers 2349 01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:28.600 aren't going to invest in soccer because they wouldn't pay 2350 01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:30.880 luxury tax in THE. Nba luxury tax in THE nba 2351 01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:34.319 is one hundred and eighty million dollars spend twenty or 2352 01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:36.960 thirty on the. CLUB i think they'll do, That, Yeah 2353 01:56:37.039 --> 01:56:40.800 BUT i wonder if at some point anybody will say 2354 01:56:40.840 --> 01:56:43.039 out loud, like maybe we don't lean in only to 2355 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:45.039 developing young players and then moving them. 2356 01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:47.359 On maybe we want some good players. Here that's my. 2357 01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:52.720 HOPE i, Yeah and to your, point they bought a 2358 01:56:52.840 --> 01:56:56.199 franchise that is one of the worst in The Western 2359 01:56:56.239 --> 01:56:59.199 conference right now in A, nwsl they have the worst 2360 01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:01.640 team in THE nwa sell right. Now sooner or, later 2361 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:03.119 the rubber is going to have to meet the road 2362 01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:09.279 and you're gonna have to see some infusion of fiscal 2363 01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:12.600 means to upgrade the. Roster there's no other way there 2364 01:57:12.720 --> 01:57:16.159 That it's it, like, yes keep the academy. Going there. 2365 01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:18.399 Will they will churn out some players every once in a, 2366 01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:22.359 while but it doesn't work at the level that it 2367 01:57:22.399 --> 01:57:24.560 does In. Europe and you have to be able to 2368 01:57:24.680 --> 01:57:26.720 convince your fan base that you give a damn about. 2369 01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:29.720 Him are you watching so welcome To. Wrexham do you watch? 2370 01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:30.079 THAT i do? 2371 01:57:30.199 --> 01:57:30.560 Not you do? 2372 01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:33.199 Not are you Anti Ryan reynolds and the other dude 2373 01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:34.359 Or rob whatever his Name. 2374 01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:37.600 Iscaling it's not That i'm ANTI i just don't have 2375 01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:39.960 a lot of bandwidth for it right. Now, YEAH i 2376 01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:43.479 just watched more depressing. Stuff are you all caught up 2377 01:57:43.520 --> 01:57:44.640 ON U? Gems? 2378 01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:44.920 Sounds? 2379 01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:46.079 Oh, yeah we finished. 2380 01:57:46.119 --> 01:57:48.640 IT i still have the, finale. OKAY i was out 2381 01:57:48.680 --> 01:57:51.079 of town last. Week are we saying finale or finale 2382 01:57:51.199 --> 01:57:55.079 finale okay OR i don't? Know sounds sounds sophisticated the final. 2383 01:57:55.560 --> 01:57:59.159 Iteration did you Watch goggins ON? Snl we? 2384 01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:03.279 Did, yes that's pretty. FUNNY i Love, Goggins Baby billy 2385 01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:07.680 will BE i think one of the top characters IN tv. 2386 01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:12.159 HISTORY i like him In, fallout and that's probably not 2387 01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:15.159 really up up your, avenue but it's a it's a 2388 01:58:15.239 --> 01:58:20.000 video game, show post apocalyptic pretty, good, okay plays a 2389 01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:21.720 dude with out a face and. 2390 01:58:21.920 --> 01:58:25.960 Knows but, YEAH i Love. Goggins, yeah no principles. Too, 2391 01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:28.199 INDEED i did catch a LITTLE snl At. Goggins BUT 2392 01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:30.159 i GOT i got to finish THE i have to 2393 01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:33.079 finish the final episode Of, gemstones AND i have two 2394 01:58:33.159 --> 01:58:37.840 left of. Severance WHAT i HAD i didn't. FINISH i 2395 01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.399 had not. INTENTIONALLY i just had some traveling AND i 2396 01:58:40.479 --> 01:58:42.720 got behind AND i had to watch like four straight 2397 01:58:42.920 --> 01:58:44.600 two weeks ago And i've got two more, left So 2398 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:47.720 i'll get that. Done B yu as a new athletic. 2399 01:58:47.800 --> 01:58:51.840 Director his name Is Brian. SANTIAGO i don't Know brian. 2400 01:58:51.960 --> 01:58:54.840 Well i've met him a couple of. TIMES i played 2401 01:58:55.000 --> 01:58:58.039 in a group behind him At Steve young's charity golf 2402 01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:01.640 tournament name drop FLEX byu, Fans what, up how's the? 2403 01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:04.119 Swing good? Player? Yeah good. 2404 01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:10.760 PLAYER i have been surprised to both hear from PRIVATELY 2405 01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:16.079 byu fans and then read ONLINE byu fans not react 2406 01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:20.159 positively to this. Hire but from WHAT i can, ascertain 2407 01:59:20.479 --> 01:59:24.399 the feel is LIKE i was at The wilkin line 2408 01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:28.119 for chocolate milk And santiago did not say hi to. 2409 01:59:28.239 --> 01:59:31.079 ME i was waiting in line For cougar Tail Lavelle. 2410 01:59:31.159 --> 01:59:33.560 EDWARDS i Saw. SANTIAGO i tried to say, hello and 2411 01:59:33.640 --> 01:59:33.920 he kept. 2412 01:59:34.000 --> 01:59:36.199 Walking he handed me the razor and said go shave. 2413 01:59:36.359 --> 01:59:38.760 Correctly that's that's the FEEL i. 2414 01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:42.159 GET i haven't heard anything like this won't work because 2415 01:59:42.199 --> 01:59:44.279 he's not good at his, job or this won't work 2416 01:59:44.399 --> 01:59:47.680 because he doesn't have good. Relationships it's the feel of 2417 01:59:48.479 --> 01:59:52.039 church ran over and he left without saying hello to our, 2418 01:59:52.079 --> 01:59:56.359 family like it's it's weird personal, interaction like he doesn't 2419 01:59:56.439 --> 01:59:58.760 seem to have the reputation of a very nice. Guy, 2420 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:01.880 Okay and here's the it doesn't, Matter, no it, doesn't 2421 02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:04.159 and we. Do that's another thing that we do here 2422 02:00:04.279 --> 02:00:06.800 that drives me. Crazy like if you had one interaction 2423 02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:10.800 At Jay doggs In provo where he took your barbecue 2424 02:00:10.840 --> 02:00:13.319 sauce and you had to ask for, more it doesn't 2425 02:00:13.359 --> 02:00:14.399 mean he's not going to be good at his. 2426 02:00:14.520 --> 02:00:16.880 Job that's the FEEL i get. 2427 02:00:17.039 --> 02:00:19.800 That that's kind of the take on the Higher what 2428 02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:24.279 he is my understanding is very good friends With Ryan 2429 02:00:24.359 --> 02:00:28.760 smith And Danny. Ainge and that's fine because this really 2430 02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:30.800 is a relationship. Business and if you're going to be 2431 02:00:30.840 --> 02:00:33.800 an ad at A p four institution in the current 2432 02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:37.079 landscape of collegiate, athletics your number one qualification is are 2433 02:00:37.119 --> 02:00:40.239 you friends with rich? People and Without Ryan smith And Danny, 2434 02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:42.279 Ainge Kevin young's not the head coach AT. Byu and 2435 02:00:42.399 --> 02:00:44.760 in one, Year Kevin young has turned that thing into something, 2436 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:46.800 that if it keeps, ticking is going to be really really. 2437 02:00:46.840 --> 02:00:49.239 Good SO i don't know if you could add any 2438 02:00:49.399 --> 02:00:51.560 context of this whole, situation but that's kind of my 2439 02:00:51.680 --> 02:00:53.119 understanding of where we're at with this new. 2440 02:00:53.199 --> 02:00:55.680 HIRE i don't Know brian at, all and THAT i 2441 02:00:55.800 --> 02:00:59.239 did not know that there is a undercurrent of, frustration 2442 02:00:59.479 --> 02:01:01.479 can we, say or. Dissatisfaction. 2443 02:01:01.680 --> 02:01:05.039 Dissatisfaction, yeah, Well. 2444 02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:07.439 I'll go on a tangent for. You once upon a 2445 02:01:07.520 --> 02:01:10.199 time somebody did hand me a razor at b Y 2446 02:01:10.319 --> 02:01:12.239 u and, said you have to go shave or else 2447 02:01:12.279 --> 02:01:15.520 you can't be allowed into this. Dance, wow guess WHAT i? 2448 02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:17.840 Did are you snuck? 2449 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:17.960 In? 2450 02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:19.920 Oh, yeah that's a boy because you weren't a student down. 2451 02:01:19.960 --> 02:01:24.640 There, no come, on they were, like here's, this here's 2452 02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:28.439 this ninety nine cent razor that will slice your skin. Off, 2453 02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:31.960 no no shaving. Cream did you have the thick sea? 2454 02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:34.640 Cakes so? Thick but it was thick enough like yours 2455 02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:36.359 where it was like it was gonna. Hurt, Yeah SO 2456 02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:39.359 i just went into the, bathroom faked, it came, around came, 2457 02:01:39.399 --> 02:01:41.720 out and snuck. In, anyways was it a? 2458 02:01:41.840 --> 02:01:42.119 Linger? 2459 02:01:42.359 --> 02:01:43.439 Longer it was a? 2460 02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:44.159 Linger it was. 2461 02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:46.359 Okay important, Context. 2462 02:01:49.279 --> 02:01:54.520 Brian santiago has very big shoes to, fill and maybe 2463 02:01:55.239 --> 02:01:57.239 there is a portion of the fan base that is 2464 02:01:57.840 --> 02:02:00.520 nervous that he may not be able to live up 2465 02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:06.199 to the expectations and the types of. HIRES i Mean Tom, 2466 02:02:06.279 --> 02:02:14.119 holmo the guy really oversaw tumultuous, change good and bad 2467 02:02:14.399 --> 02:02:17.079 for the amount of time he was, there like going 2468 02:02:17.199 --> 02:02:19.880 through The route Of, independence which was much maligned by 2469 02:02:19.920 --> 02:02:23.199 a lot of folks here. Locally you, know B yu 2470 02:02:23.279 --> 02:02:26.760 fans in my life still are angry about. It but 2471 02:02:27.479 --> 02:02:31.199 the dude made, hires and when you make hires generally 2472 02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:35.880 things work. Out so to your, Point Brian santiago's number 2473 02:02:35.920 --> 02:02:40.600 one thing on his list has to be maintain relationships 2474 02:02:40.640 --> 02:02:42.560 with those heavy, hitters the guys who open up their, 2475 02:02:42.640 --> 02:02:45.680 checkbooks and when the time, comes you have to figure 2476 02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:49.880 out who's going to, be you, know leading your profitable, 2477 02:02:49.960 --> 02:02:53.000 programs because if you have the right people in, place 2478 02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:55.439 you're going to be okay more often than. 2479 02:02:55.479 --> 02:02:58.920 Not AND i think one of the frustrations that's been 2480 02:02:58.960 --> 02:03:03.000 shared to me with people who are close TO Byu 2481 02:03:03.079 --> 02:03:05.640 athletics and who it's very close to their hearts AND 2482 02:03:05.800 --> 02:03:06.880 byu fans are. 2483 02:03:06.880 --> 02:03:08.720 Very, passionate they love their. 2484 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:14.319 TEAMS i think one of the things that they were 2485 02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:18.600 expecting based off OF i think It's shane rees excuse, 2486 02:03:18.640 --> 02:03:23.640 me See Shane, reese, period president OF. Byu three months, 2487 02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:27.359 ago When tom announced his, retirement he, said, okay National, 2488 02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:31.520 search we are interviewing big, hitters heavy hitters across the. 2489 02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:35.079 Country and you know whether It's scott, O'Neill who was 2490 02:03:35.119 --> 02:03:37.319 with The sixers and now is THE ceo Of live 2491 02:03:37.560 --> 02:03:40.239 or the NAME i threw out Was Brian, rolap who 2492 02:03:40.359 --> 02:03:42.000 Is Roger goodell's like right hand. 2493 02:03:42.119 --> 02:03:46.079 MAN i don't know how realistic that. Is brian lives In, Darien. 2494 02:03:46.199 --> 02:03:49.600 Connecticut he's in my family's, stake and so we know 2495 02:03:49.760 --> 02:03:53.319 the rolapse and the feeling is When goodell has. Done 2496 02:03:53.479 --> 02:03:56.199 Brian rolap could be the commissioner of THE, nfl but 2497 02:03:56.319 --> 02:03:59.079 he's A mormon. Dude B yu GUY, lds excuse, me 2498 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:02.840 AND i think they were. EXPECTING i THINK byu fans 2499 02:04:02.880 --> 02:04:06.439 were expecting some, big heavy hitter from somewhere else in 2500 02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:10.279 the country that has run pro teams that has Like scott. 2501 02:04:10.319 --> 02:04:12.079 O'Neil would have been a great, call BUT i Think 2502 02:04:12.119 --> 02:04:14.560 scott is comfortable where he's, at And scott is a 2503 02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:18.079 dynamic sports professional who's a really good. Dude would have 2504 02:04:18.119 --> 02:04:21.199 been a great, hire but there may have been like 2505 02:04:21.239 --> 02:04:25.279 an over expectation of what the athletic DIRECTOR byu means 2506 02:04:25.439 --> 02:04:27.800 and you're not going to leave your job as the 2507 02:04:27.880 --> 02:04:29.760 number two at THE nfl to go RUN byu. 2508 02:04:29.800 --> 02:04:31.920 Athletics you're just. Not So it's like everything else we talk. 2509 02:04:31.960 --> 02:04:34.319 ABOUT i think the expectation was up, here AND i 2510 02:04:34.359 --> 02:04:37.640 think The santiago news kind of caught people in an underwhelming. 2511 02:04:37.720 --> 02:04:39.960 Fashion do you think the precedent of them being able 2512 02:04:40.079 --> 02:04:43.039 to steal the hire Of Kevin young maybe set their 2513 02:04:43.119 --> 02:04:43.439 mind in. 2514 02:04:43.560 --> 02:04:45.520 Motion maybe where their point if. 2515 02:04:45.399 --> 02:04:47.640 We can get the guy who is going to be 2516 02:04:47.720 --> 02:04:50.119 the next BIG nba head, coach why can't we get 2517 02:04:50.159 --> 02:04:53.239 the guy who is A gm of a major sports 2518 02:04:53.279 --> 02:04:56.800 franchise to run our athletic. Department? MAYBE i, mean it 2519 02:04:56.880 --> 02:05:00.560 seemed like conventional wisdom always pointed To. Santiago in this 2520 02:05:00.720 --> 02:05:02.960 day and, AGE i think it would be very difficult 2521 02:05:03.039 --> 02:05:05.720 for somebody who has not been in the room on 2522 02:05:05.800 --> 02:05:08.520 a day to day basis during this insane amount of 2523 02:05:08.600 --> 02:05:10.960 change to come in and be, Like, yeah let me 2524 02:05:11.079 --> 02:05:16.199 learn about this ongoing house settlement versus THE ncaa that 2525 02:05:16.359 --> 02:05:20.239 is changing at every basic turn every single. Day tell 2526 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:22.560 me about, nil tell me about, this and That Brian 2527 02:05:22.600 --> 02:05:25.960 santiago has been in all those meetings for ad nauseum, 2528 02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:26.600 forever so he. 2529 02:05:26.800 --> 02:05:31.119 Knows twenty seven years, ago came TO byu as a 2530 02:05:31.239 --> 02:05:34.640 member Of Steve cleveland's staff on the basketball, SIDE i 2531 02:05:34.720 --> 02:05:37.479 believe you can Hear Steve cleveland breaking down basketball in 2532 02:05:37.520 --> 02:05:42.720 the market somewhere. Mornings and then twenty years Ago tom Hires. 2533 02:05:42.840 --> 02:05:45.800 BRIAN i don't know how long he was the associate A, 2534 02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:47.800 d BUT i do know he was one Of tom's 2535 02:05:47.880 --> 02:05:50.800 right hand men for twenty. Years, Yeah and to your, 2536 02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:53.640 point to Watch tom traverse the space and learn from 2537 02:05:53.720 --> 02:05:56.319 him on the, job my guest would Be tom probably 2538 02:05:56.399 --> 02:06:00.520 lobbied for it to Have santiago get the. Gig there's 2539 02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:03.159 this narrative out there That Brian santiago was like their 2540 02:06:03.199 --> 02:06:03.960 sixth or seventh. 2541 02:06:04.079 --> 02:06:05.079 CHOICE i can't speak to. 2542 02:06:05.199 --> 02:06:10.119 That but the position of athletic DIRECTOR i don't think 2543 02:06:10.239 --> 02:06:13.039 is as appealing of a job as most people fully 2544 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:14.000 believe would it. 2545 02:06:14.079 --> 02:06:18.319 BE i Don't and especially, listen, man you have to 2546 02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:20.319 understand what you're getting into at a school like B 2547 02:06:20.479 --> 02:06:23.560 yu for the good and for the. Difficulty, well, right 2548 02:06:23.760 --> 02:06:27.079 like the fact that they've been able to write the, 2549 02:06:27.159 --> 02:06:30.800 ship so to, speak With kilane higher and Bringing Kevin 2550 02:06:31.079 --> 02:06:36.239 ky being able to bring them, on but just the 2551 02:06:36.520 --> 02:06:39.359 entire landscape of what you're. Facing you have to understand 2552 02:06:39.560 --> 02:06:40.960 what you're going to have to do on a day 2553 02:06:41.000 --> 02:06:45.720 to day. Basis bringing in somebody Who scott O'Neill's where's 2554 02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:46.600 he At sixers Or? 2555 02:06:46.640 --> 02:06:49.479 Flyers scott, O'Neil NOW i believe is THE ceo Of Live, 2556 02:06:49.600 --> 02:06:52.920 golf but he was, running, yeah The flyers and The. Sixers, 2557 02:06:52.960 --> 02:06:55.560 okay so he's got That saudi money now like he's 2558 02:06:55.760 --> 02:06:57.800 say what you want about? It we can and we, 2559 02:06:57.960 --> 02:06:59.800 have BUT i don't Think scott's leaving that to be 2560 02:06:59.840 --> 02:07:00.920 the ad of by. 2561 02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:05.239 Exactly AND i Don't we CAN'T gramdma Or foyer request 2562 02:07:05.359 --> 02:07:07.560 what these guys are being paid because they are at 2563 02:07:07.600 --> 02:07:10.439 a private. Institution my guess would be it would be 2564 02:07:11.359 --> 02:07:13.199 a step down for a lot of folks who are 2565 02:07:13.239 --> 02:07:16.279 in the professional, realm especially if he's getting that live. 2566 02:07:16.399 --> 02:07:20.600 Money so it just made sense for the guy to 2567 02:07:20.760 --> 02:07:23.720 Follow tom as somebody who has basically been with him 2568 02:07:23.760 --> 02:07:24.520 for the last several. 2569 02:07:24.600 --> 02:07:27.840 Years do you Recall And i'm honestly asking to ask 2570 02:07:28.039 --> 02:07:30.640 BECAUSE i was thinking about this WHEN i was getting 2571 02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:33.199 these texts FROM byu fans, like, hey you're going to 2572 02:07:33.239 --> 02:07:36.680 talk about The santiago. Stuff, well, yeah he's the idea AT. Byu, 2573 02:07:36.840 --> 02:07:39.680 okay well he's not very, nice he's this or that or. 2574 02:07:39.720 --> 02:07:42.560 Whatever and then some of the online stuff where there 2575 02:07:42.600 --> 02:07:46.000 are people that are very outward about like how mad 2576 02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:48.000 they are that this was the. DEAL i did not know. 2577 02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:50.840 THIS i got to dive, In, yeah dive, in and you, 2578 02:07:50.920 --> 02:07:54.600 know just the position of athletic. 2579 02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:57.960 DIRECTOR i don't know how much context or Color i've 2580 02:07:58.039 --> 02:08:01.000 douted the conversation, nationwide but there have been a lot 2581 02:08:01.039 --> 02:08:03.199 of youth fans that have soured On. MARK a lot 2582 02:08:03.239 --> 02:08:05.399 of youth fans have soured On Mark carlin AND I 2583 02:08:05.720 --> 02:08:08.079 i'll continue to Say mark personally has always been good to. 2584 02:08:08.159 --> 02:08:10.159 Me comes on the, show he answers, questions all that. 2585 02:08:10.279 --> 02:08:14.720 Stuff the whole postgame presser after THE Byu utah football 2586 02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:17.640 game was just a really odd choice that did not 2587 02:08:17.880 --> 02:08:21.920 land well with, anybody INCLUDING yout, fans and it left 2588 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:24.640 him open for a ton of criticism FROM byu. FANS 2589 02:08:25.479 --> 02:08:27.640 i still would have loved to be a fly on 2590 02:08:27.720 --> 02:08:29.920 the wall When brett Or mark woke up and, said 2591 02:08:30.079 --> 02:08:33.640 what are you? Kidding, LIKE i actually Think mark got 2592 02:08:33.720 --> 02:08:35.840 off pretty easy based off of what he had to. 2593 02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:39.279 Say so do you do you feel like there has 2594 02:08:39.359 --> 02:08:41.119 been a little bit of a change of a feel 2595 02:08:41.119 --> 02:08:42.840 in the community About Mark carlan at? 2596 02:08:42.840 --> 02:08:43.760 All is that landed all with? 2597 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:47.199 You AND i don't know if it's the ad just 2598 02:08:47.279 --> 02:08:50.039 being an easy target for people because sports fans are. 2599 02:08:49.960 --> 02:08:53.039 So, crazy anybody who's in charge is going to bear 2600 02:08:53.119 --> 02:08:55.520 the brunt of a lot of grief that that folks. 2601 02:08:55.600 --> 02:08:59.560 HAVE i think it's hard to, say it's hard to 2602 02:08:59.680 --> 02:09:04.880 just down to the corn the corners of of the 2603 02:09:05.039 --> 02:09:11.520 very sad existence of sports internet as. Well but, LISTEN 2604 02:09:12.119 --> 02:09:14.720 i Think utah fans wanted the Running utes to be 2605 02:09:14.920 --> 02:09:18.760 resurrected for a long time and they. Got they got 2606 02:09:18.840 --> 02:09:22.000 pretty much everybody wanted to be, hired As Alex, Jensen 2607 02:09:23.439 --> 02:09:26.159 Kyle whittingham's just gonna keep doing it until he decides 2608 02:09:26.199 --> 02:09:31.039 to ride his motorcycle. Forever and they've Been they've been 2609 02:09:31.159 --> 02:09:34.680 raising money for for you, know facilities and all that. 2610 02:09:34.760 --> 02:09:39.560 Stuff you. Know ONE i think you can say a 2611 02:09:40.960 --> 02:09:44.840 a misstep IS i think the collective got off to 2612 02:09:44.960 --> 02:09:48.720 a slower start when it When nil really took. Off 2613 02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:52.560 So i'm interested to see how that goes and see 2614 02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:56.720 How utah handles, when, if and when The house settlement 2615 02:09:56.800 --> 02:09:59.840 gets finalized and everybody's allotted that twenty point five, million 2616 02:10:00.439 --> 02:10:04.920 How mark and his staff decide to really break that 2617 02:10:05.119 --> 02:10:08.760 down to various teams and players on their athletic. 2618 02:10:08.880 --> 02:10:12.439 Rosters, yeah AND i do think there's another, thing AND 2619 02:10:12.560 --> 02:10:15.199 i don't think it's as and we've kind of discussed. 2620 02:10:15.239 --> 02:10:18.880 THIS i don't think it's as prevalent with The university 2621 02:10:18.880 --> 02:10:22.079 Of utah as it is WITH. Byu because EVEN i 2622 02:10:22.199 --> 02:10:26.439 listened to the introductory press conference earlier today Where President 2623 02:10:26.520 --> 02:10:30.640 reese And Brian santiago addressed the media and address the, 2624 02:10:30.720 --> 02:10:35.399 contingent and it really is steeped in we needed A byu, 2625 02:10:35.560 --> 02:10:38.680 Guy we needed A Byu blue, Guy and even the 2626 02:10:39.039 --> 02:10:43.680 religious dogmatic language is used like we need somebody who 2627 02:10:43.840 --> 02:10:47.000 Loves jesus like they talk like. That so we need 2628 02:10:47.079 --> 02:10:49.119 A byu guy who's going to further the message Of, 2629 02:10:49.239 --> 02:10:54.159 jesus who's going to foster a community of disciple graduates 2630 02:10:54.199 --> 02:10:56.239 who move on and make a difference in the. World 2631 02:10:56.800 --> 02:11:00.640 SO i know that's more unique to forty five miles 2632 02:11:00.720 --> 02:11:03.000 down south and isn't as prevalent. 2633 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:03.800 Here In Salt. 2634 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:06.680 Lake but is there a little bit of a feel 2635 02:11:07.039 --> 02:11:12.079 you think That mark isn't necessarily a guy that is 2636 02:11:12.239 --> 02:11:14.239 A utah. GUY i Saw lake. GUY i mean Doctor 2637 02:11:14.319 --> 02:11:16.880 hill wasn't either that, point BUT i. Was but ALSO 2638 02:11:16.960 --> 02:11:19.239 i wanted to ask, YOU i don't recall. IT i 2639 02:11:19.399 --> 02:11:21.479 was in THE i was in the media When Doctor 2640 02:11:21.520 --> 02:11:24.079 hill was the ad BECAUSE i can remember when he 2641 02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:28.119 And monson had their thing right and, well right, Right 2642 02:11:28.199 --> 02:11:30.119 BUT i was doing radio part of the time When 2643 02:11:30.199 --> 02:11:32.720 Doctor hill came out and Said gordon wrote a piece 2644 02:11:32.800 --> 02:11:35.439 criticizing BECAUSE i don't know that Doctor hill really ever 2645 02:11:35.520 --> 02:11:38.239 wanted to PLAY byu and. Anything i'm not speaking for. 2646 02:11:38.399 --> 02:11:39.720 HIM i just don't think he was a big fan 2647 02:11:39.760 --> 02:11:43.199 of that. Dynamic monson writes this huge piece like Doctor 2648 02:11:43.239 --> 02:11:45.560 hill's wrong Here chris comes out with a whole like 2649 02:11:45.640 --> 02:11:48.600 self serving. Media after a, While chris agreed to come 2650 02:11:48.640 --> 02:11:50.760 on our show and it was really, frosty and that 2651 02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:52.880 was doing radio With, gordon which made it a lot of. 2652 02:11:52.960 --> 02:11:56.600 Fun Did Doctor hill seem to have the same sort 2653 02:11:56.640 --> 02:11:59.960 of criticism levied his way from the community or maybe 2654 02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:01.199 the social media gives. 2655 02:12:01.239 --> 02:12:05.720 People social media gives people. Voices once upon a, time 2656 02:12:06.600 --> 02:12:09.479 there was a very public back and forth Between chris 2657 02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:15.079 And kyle during some contract, stuff and are you know my, 2658 02:12:15.239 --> 02:12:17.680 colleagues some of my closest, Friends Matt piper And Kyle 2659 02:12:17.760 --> 02:12:21.319 goon were on the beat, then and it got pretty 2660 02:12:21.359 --> 02:12:25.159 frosty and contentious publicly between those. Two but one THING 2661 02:12:25.199 --> 02:12:29.199 i would say About chris is, that like he understood 2662 02:12:29.279 --> 02:12:33.600 that things could get, sideways but like it helps everybody 2663 02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:35.920 out to like sit down and talk it out as 2664 02:12:36.000 --> 02:12:41.079 adults in private and on the. Record and there's a 2665 02:12:41.159 --> 02:12:43.000 reason why he was so good at what he did 2666 02:12:43.079 --> 02:12:46.119 for such a long time is because when you have 2667 02:12:46.239 --> 02:12:51.359 a working relationship that is as unique as the media 2668 02:12:51.439 --> 02:12:54.319 that's covering an institution and the guy in charge of 2669 02:12:54.399 --> 02:12:57.960 calling the shots of a multi million dollar athletic, department 2670 02:12:58.319 --> 02:13:00.520 it's not always going to be. Roses AND i think 2671 02:13:00.600 --> 02:13:04.960 one thing that's been kind of missed here is that 2672 02:13:06.439 --> 02:13:09.600 because a, store a story may come out that's not 2673 02:13:10.439 --> 02:13:15.079 portraying your university or your team in a very glowing, 2674 02:13:15.199 --> 02:13:18.640 light is not a personal. Thing sometimes facts can be. 2675 02:13:18.720 --> 02:13:22.880 Facts BUT i think, unfortunately and especially in this, market 2676 02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:29.039 we've had this kind of shift towards media members who 2677 02:13:29.159 --> 02:13:34.319 are always going to put a spin on it that 2678 02:13:34.560 --> 02:13:38.079 makes the people or the team or the institution that 2679 02:13:38.119 --> 02:13:41.760 they're covering seem like they can do no. Wrong and 2680 02:13:41.920 --> 02:13:44.000 that is not the right way of doing the job you. 2681 02:13:44.199 --> 02:13:46.920 Have but that is where that. Is that is for 2682 02:13:47.079 --> 02:13:49.079 the reality. Checkpot, well you AND i are on the same, 2683 02:13:49.159 --> 02:13:49.479 page all. 2684 02:13:49.560 --> 02:13:51.760 Right i've kept you too, long AND i know that 2685 02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:54.439 you need to get home to watch the well and 2686 02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:56.399 you also want to watch The nicks advance to The 2687 02:13:56.439 --> 02:13:58.680 Eastern Conference finals for the first time in twenty five. 2688 02:13:58.720 --> 02:14:00.560 Years question BEFORE i, go what do you? Got what 2689 02:14:00.720 --> 02:14:06.760 Is Brian santiago's First halloween? Costume it won't be near 2690 02:14:06.800 --> 02:14:08.199 as good As, Tom's i'll tell you that. Much it 2691 02:14:08.239 --> 02:14:11.439 will not get to see a c kes rsselling. 2692 02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:15.279 Action tonight seven Thirty Mountain times taking On portland's random midweek. 2693 02:14:15.359 --> 02:14:18.600 Game fortunately the weather is not, great but apparently sell 2694 02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:23.039 out crowded out At America First. Field we'll see if 2695 02:14:23.079 --> 02:14:26.239 either The celtics or The warriors can survive and, advance 2696 02:14:26.319 --> 02:14:29.439 or The knicks and the T wolves can make their 2697 02:14:29.479 --> 02:14:33.239 way through to the next. Round Adam, rittenberg in addition 2698 02:14:33.359 --> 02:14:37.720 To Eli letterman And Max, olson released their off season 2699 02:14:37.880 --> 02:14:42.920 rankings FOR p four football, teams which is totally a new. 2700 02:14:43.000 --> 02:14:46.640 Thing so in The big, twelve real, quick their assertion 2701 02:14:46.840 --> 02:14:49.760 Is Texas tech had the best. Offseason at two Is Arizona, 2702 02:14:49.840 --> 02:14:55.359 state at, Three baylor, Four Iowa, state, five K state SIX, 2703 02:14:55.479 --> 02:14:59.119 tcu and at seven is The university Of utah Eight CINCINNATI. 2704 02:15:00.239 --> 02:15:04.000 Byu so there you. Go seven point five wins is 2705 02:15:04.039 --> 02:15:06.640 the over runner FOR byu. Football this excuse me For, 2706 02:15:06.760 --> 02:15:09.720 utah well For utah AND byu. Football this year The 2707 02:15:09.800 --> 02:15:13.479 vegas over hunder seven point five. Wins it's a little 2708 02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:17.159 off season college, football which is always always. Fun all, 2709 02:15:17.239 --> 02:15:19.239 Right Porter, Tomorrow are you talking about The New York 2710 02:15:19.319 --> 02:15:22.079 knicks in The Eastern Conference? 2711 02:15:22.119 --> 02:15:25.920 FINALS i think. SO i think. 2712 02:15:25.960 --> 02:15:31.920 So obviously we've talked a lot about The celtics and 2713 02:15:32.600 --> 02:15:35.079 the fact that they're Not they're not going to go down. 2714 02:15:35.159 --> 02:15:39.600 EASY i just you, KNOW i think Without Jason, tatum 2715 02:15:39.680 --> 02:15:44.479 they do not have and this is kind of crazy saying, 2716 02:15:44.560 --> 02:15:46.479 this they don't have the roster to beat The, knicks, 2717 02:15:47.760 --> 02:15:51.920 right but with Og, anobi with mckel, bridges With Jalen, 2718 02:15:51.960 --> 02:15:56.279 brunson With Karl Anthony towns length with With Mitchell, robinson 2719 02:15:56.720 --> 02:16:00.680 giving The celtics fits in certain moment right when you 2720 02:16:01.079 --> 02:16:02.600 see them having to kind of go to the hack 2721 02:16:02.680 --> 02:16:06.800 Of mitchell thing because he's giving their big so, much 2722 02:16:06.920 --> 02:16:10.039 is so many. Issues you need to be at full, 2723 02:16:10.039 --> 02:16:11.840 strength and you definitely have to have your best. Player 2724 02:16:12.079 --> 02:16:16.920 and it sounds crazy as A knicks fan verbalizing, this 2725 02:16:17.119 --> 02:16:20.079 BUT i think that they Need Jason tatum in order 2726 02:16:20.159 --> 02:16:22.520 to beat this, team especially coming down. 2727 02:16:22.399 --> 02:16:22.760 From three to. 2728 02:16:22.800 --> 02:16:26.319 One ridges has been so good. Man five first round, 2729 02:16:26.399 --> 02:16:29.640 picks and now you see. Why so we'll see all. 2730 02:16:29.720 --> 02:16:31.239 RIGHT i want to tell you about my friends AT 2731 02:16:31.279 --> 02:16:33.840 Ifa Country stores before we say GOOD i At summer 2732 02:16:33.959 --> 02:16:37.879 vacations and warmer weather are just beyond the. 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Yard AT ifa AND 2740 02:16:58.719 --> 02:17:01.239 ifa dot Co op M young has a new Athletic 2741 02:17:01.280 --> 02:17:02.360 director's name Is Brian. 2742 02:17:02.479 --> 02:17:05.079 Santiago we're gonna probably get some guests on and kind. 2743 02:17:05.000 --> 02:17:05.399 Of break that. 2744 02:17:05.600 --> 02:17:08.959 Down and that's the bulk of the local news going down. 2745 02:17:09.040 --> 02:17:10.920 Today So, porter let's get out of here and watch 2746 02:17:10.920 --> 02:17:13.360 them playoff. Basketball what comes our way on A thursday 2747 02:17:13.559 --> 02:17:14.239 edition of the. 2748 02:17:14.319 --> 02:17:17.879 Program, yeah we'll recap THE nba playoffs from tonight in 2749 02:17:17.920 --> 02:17:20.760 the last few nights where they Guy Tony, jones of, 2750 02:17:20.879 --> 02:17:24.639 Course tony covering The, nuggets covering The jazz and Who 2751 02:17:25.079 --> 02:17:26.719 and we can go all over the map with THE 2752 02:17:26.840 --> 02:17:30.520 nba With tony THE Nba Daily assist With Zach harper 2753 02:17:30.680 --> 02:17:35.799 on A thursday this, week and you mentioned by use 2754 02:17:35.879 --> 02:17:39.479 new Ad jazz draft. Lottery we can get to all 2755 02:17:39.559 --> 02:17:42.520 of it with One Alemma. Harrington he's got a golf 2756 02:17:42.559 --> 02:17:44.760 tournament coming, up so we'll plug that with. HIM i 2757 02:17:45.360 --> 02:17:48.360 talked To lemma into coming in, studio so. Nice we'll 2758 02:17:48.360 --> 02:17:50.200 set down a full hour with that. Guy good old a, 2759 02:17:50.440 --> 02:17:52.520 train good. People one of the nice guys in our. 2760 02:17:52.600 --> 02:17:55.639 Market and that's kind of a short. List, anyway good. 2761 02:17:55.719 --> 02:17:59.079 Night on A wednesday, special thank you To Quentin. Richard 2762 02:17:59.120 --> 02:18:01.000 do you think you're on the. LIST i wasn't gonna say, 2763 02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:02.760 anything but you want to know if you're on the. 2764 02:18:02.799 --> 02:18:04.600 List don't. You there's a. 2765 02:18:04.639 --> 02:18:06.559 List i'm not sure If i'm on that. 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