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Speaker 1: Mind of high and my name is doctor Mickey Feinberg,
Speaker 1: a business psychologist here in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. So
Speaker 1: today's episode is titled a Leadership Lullaby HM. This episode
Speaker 1: is a continuing commentary in our recent series on questionable
Speaker 1: leadership practices. Last week we talked about leaders sabotaging leaders
Speaker 1: inadvertently or advertently, and we talked a week before about
Speaker 1: blind leadership. They're seeing, but they're not seeing. In some cases,
Speaker 1: leaders may sleep at the switch, so to speak, even
Speaker 1: when they have a great opportunity to capitalize on strong momentum.
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that leaders might sleep when they
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to capitalize on strong momentum. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask doctor Patt about that soon. But he's
Speaker 1: an example. Was the WNBA All Star Week. As many
Speaker 1: of you know, the arrival of Caitlin Clark to the
Speaker 1: WMBA in twenty twenty two brought a major increase in
Speaker 1: fan interest and game attendance, media coverage, and league and
Speaker 1: team revenues. Another she's another star.
Speaker 2: Page.
Speaker 1: Bill Becker's of Connecticut or Yukon, as we most of
Speaker 1: us know, has been complimenting veterans with great play and
Speaker 1: likely adding strong value to the league as well. And
Speaker 1: you know, as a player, the league's recent All Star
Speaker 1: Game was a good opportunity to showcase its best players
Speaker 1: and further accelerate its good fortune. So what has been
Speaker 1: the commentary on the All Star Game during All Star Week?
Speaker 1: You know that's the main event, star game itself. Did
Speaker 1: the event truly add value to the league's profile or
Speaker 1: did it stall its momentum. It was likely most responsible
Speaker 1: for the game's impact, and what could these principles learn
Speaker 1: and change in future showcase events? So this is what happened.
Speaker 1: This is what happened, and I think doctor Patt knows,
Speaker 1: so I'm just going to what she would say. It
Speaker 1: was a high energy I don't want to be a curmudgeon,
Speaker 1: doctor Pat. It was a high energy and exciting week overall,
Speaker 1: with complimentary events, just like in the men's All Star week,
Speaker 1: the you know, the three point composition, the skills competitions,
Speaker 1: and the Chicago Arena was packed with loyal and vocal
Speaker 1: fans and the media was definitely showed up. So it
Speaker 1: was important it was described as a you know, celebratory
Speaker 1: and fun atmosphere. This situation was ripe for high mark
Speaker 1: high marks and a great impact. However, the All Star
Speaker 1: game itself brought mixed reviews at best. A key descriptor
Speaker 1: of the game was the Keystone Cops. The Keystone Cops.
Speaker 1: Other than some exciting highlights, the play was haphazard and
Speaker 1: fraught with both defensive and offensive sloppiness. When I when
Speaker 1: I viewed excerpts of the game, Doctor Patt. I was
Speaker 1: laughing out loud, you know at this this basically this
Speaker 1: comedy routine. And even before I saw the print media
Speaker 1: and electronic media that said it was the Keystone Cops,
Speaker 1: I automatically described it as the Keystone Cops. This display
Speaker 1: was not at all congruent with the talented players and
Speaker 1: a league that was on a roll. So, doctor Pat,
Speaker 1: who would you say and why is the most responsible
Speaker 1: for this unfortunate lallaby or leadership lallaby and missed opportunity?
Speaker 2: Uh? Was it?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: I want to step back for a minute, and I
Speaker 2: want to start where you start. I want to give
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark and Asia Wilson a little kudos. Congratulations to
Speaker 2: both Clark and Wilson for again I think I don't
Speaker 2: even know if this isn't now another record, but uh,
Speaker 2: you're going to see a clip or video of Jessica
Speaker 2: is going to put up of Caitlin Clark and becoming
Speaker 2: Eastern Player of the Week, and as well, side by
Speaker 2: side there's a video of Asia Wilson. So I want
Speaker 2: to really caveat this because we are seeing great play.
Speaker 2: You know, they are not the only two that are
Speaker 2: playing great, but they're the information about their greatness is
Speaker 2: what is falling short. You know, if Caven Clark has
Speaker 2: a game like she had the other night, which now
Speaker 2: allegedly is being reported she was not well, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to believe anymore, but somebody made
Speaker 2: a statement out there on X that she really wasn't well.
Speaker 2: When I watched her, she didn't look well playing, she
Speaker 2: didn't look like herself. But yet she comes under criticism
Speaker 2: when you get Becker's that plays a game. And by
Speaker 2: the way, Becker's is now playing on the Dallas Wings.
Speaker 2: And just a little note to you all on the
Speaker 2: Dallas Wings, y'all need to look at what Texas just did.
Speaker 2: They banned THHC folks, just saying, just giving you a
Speaker 2: little insight right there on that you're playing in Dallas,
Speaker 2: you better be checking your stuff. But what I want
Speaker 2: to say is we got to give these two credit
Speaker 2: and we have to really look at the face of
Speaker 2: the league. I reacted this morning to an article that
Speaker 2: came out and I'm hoping I can find that article
Speaker 2: so I give it full discredit in the show. And
Speaker 2: it was an article that called Paige Becker's the real
Speaker 2: face of the lead, not Caitlin Clark. And my response
Speaker 2: to that was twofold. And we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: why leadership does start at the top. There is no
Speaker 2: question in your mind or mind. We know this, Mickey.
Speaker 2: How many interventions have we done where we work with
Speaker 2: department heads and directors and we made good work and
Speaker 2: then the CEO comes in he blows three years of
Speaker 2: work right?
Speaker 1: Or she does right?
Speaker 2: But what I want to say, yeah about the.
Speaker 1: Ads from the head right.
Speaker 2: But here's what I want to say about the All
Speaker 2: Star Game. I can't tell you how many people out
Speaker 2: there are writing, have have don shows, YouTube posts about
Speaker 2: how bad this was, how awful this It was terrible,
Speaker 2: It was terrible.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what broke my heart. I have
Speaker 2: thirty six years in recovery and I can spot people
Speaker 2: that had a little night out the night before. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. Does something about going down this road
Speaker 2: where you could see somebody walking down the street and
Speaker 2: you're thinking, oh, don't remember to get near his breath
Speaker 2: for her breath And then the video comes out from
Speaker 2: the Stubbuds and they do live streaming all weekend. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the leadership question. But let's
Speaker 2: talk about the players. Let's talk about what happened. Do
Speaker 2: I blame Angel Reese and Page Beckers for their bad borderline?
Speaker 2: Really ridiculous, almost illegal behavior when you're flashing four hundred
Speaker 2: dollars bills up in the year on a video making
Speaker 2: a bet against each other, right, your team, my team
Speaker 2: and Land are going to be your team, Dallas, And
Speaker 2: you are doing that, Page and you're doing that Angel,
Speaker 2: and then you're asked later did you do that? You're like,
Speaker 2: all cute, so yeah, winking at the camera. No you didn't,
Speaker 2: you lied. And then leadership comes along. Kathy e that commissioner.
Speaker 2: The lullaby of leadership, right, we could do a whole lullaby.
Speaker 2: And what does she does in a what does she
Speaker 2: do in a pivotal wone? So here's the problem, doctor McKee.
Speaker 2: This is a league that wants to be taken seriously
Speaker 2: but is not willing to play by the rules. Jessica,
Speaker 2: I want you to put up that graphic. This is
Speaker 2: what's being said about this league. What do they do
Speaker 2: or not do They don't play fairly, they don't treat
Speaker 2: people the same. But here's the worst egregious thing. You've
Speaker 2: ever seen. They take that gambling video. Everybody think Pete
Speaker 2: Rose for a minute. They take that gambling video and
Speaker 2: the way post it, and they have no consequences because jokingly, jokingly,
Speaker 2: So let me just go to let me just go
Speaker 2: to the point now, if you want to be taken
Speaker 2: seriously at all, if you really do, if you want
Speaker 2: to play in the arena like everybody else, let's start
Speaker 2: with the NCAA. The NCAA has take no prisoners, absolutely
Speaker 2: no zero tolerance for what they did. So this is
Speaker 2: what I want to say. Calling this a joke did
Speaker 2: not make it not gambling. But Kathy did continues to
Speaker 2: do that comments about it. But I will tell you
Speaker 2: if they had done it under the NCAA rules and guidelines,
Speaker 2: the NCAA would have ended them. It would have been gone.
Speaker 2: But that's not my point, you know, doctor Miker. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about this from a leadership perspective. Have you ever
Speaker 2: worked with senior C suite leaders? Right, and somebody does
Speaker 2: something egregious, I mean really egregious. Right, Let's say you
Speaker 2: say something slur, a racial slur or a gender slu
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Linda and I used to fire people
Speaker 2: left and right for the phone company for this, and
Speaker 2: you're jokingly in the bar. Oh yeah, you know what,
Speaker 2: not even on work premises, jokingly you're gone. Right, So
Speaker 2: Kathy Engelbert and the w NBA are giving joking about
Speaker 2: gambling a pass. So Kathy, this is to you, Leader, Leader,
Speaker 2: lullaby Champion. What you're gonna do? I'm telling you, there's
Speaker 2: a little song about that. What you're gonna do when
Speaker 2: somebody says something jokingly about somebody's race, What you're going
Speaker 2: to do when somebody says something jokingly about the gay community.
Speaker 2: What you're going to do? What you going to do
Speaker 2: when somebody says something jokingly about you or a coach?
Speaker 2: You see, because now you have made joking on a
Speaker 2: disastrous thing that any other sports vehicle would have banned people,
Speaker 2: gotten rid of them, investigative. You made it a joke.
Speaker 2: And you know what you just did. You made the
Speaker 2: w NBA a joke. That's what you did, untying, is
Speaker 2: that WNBA a joke? Because joking about gambling and then
Speaker 2: following up with the joke that I got to check
Speaker 2: my little PayPal account or whatever the hell that account was,
Speaker 2: and continuing the joke, you just laughing it up. And
Speaker 2: I'm telling you so.
Speaker 1: So basically she's by not saying anything doing anything, she's
Speaker 1: tolerating it, letting it happen. Oh no, she's trying to say,
Speaker 1: let me back the standard. Right.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I got to back you up. That is
Speaker 2: not what happened. They're just saying because it was jokingly done.
Speaker 2: See that's the problem. See she could have forgiven them
Speaker 2: out of ignorance, or she could have oh they missed
Speaker 2: the training. But what she said was because they were
Speaker 2: joking about gambling. Oh, because you're joking about that racial slur. Oh,
Speaker 2: because you're joking about that LGBTQ trans slur. He joked
Speaker 2: about it. So she has sent a whole precedence now
Speaker 2: for anyone that comes forward because compared to gambling. And
Speaker 2: I sent a post this morning, and I sent her
Speaker 2: the NCAA guidelines on what happens. Do you know how
Speaker 2: many players jokingly were sent to jail? How many athletes?
Speaker 2: There's this one guy, his name is Davis. He was
Speaker 2: joking at the airport. I'm not kidding. He joked to
Speaker 2: the airlines. Right, he got up, he got up to
Speaker 2: the window. He said, he said to the person behind
Speaker 2: the desk in which she asked him about the packing.
Speaker 2: He joked and he said, hey, did you did you
Speaker 2: pack the bomb? Holy crap? They took him away on
Speaker 2: the spot for what joking.
Speaker 1: Right about something about something? It should be a lot
Speaker 1: more serious. Basically, so you know, well, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something.
Speaker 2: Tell me about what you think. I want to know.
Speaker 1: The game was a joke. That's you know, you're saying
Speaker 1: that they joke about things. They joke about people inappropriately.
Speaker 1: They joked about the game. The game, which was the
Speaker 1: showcase event, was a joke. You mentioned to me.
Speaker 2: That how far this went. They even posted this gambling
Speaker 2: thing in Spanish and a legit like what do you think, angel,
Speaker 2: we are not going to read this. Some of us
Speaker 2: do speak of a little bit of Spanish. What you
Speaker 2: think We're not going to read that. But it's not
Speaker 2: even the game. So let me tell you, as a
Speaker 2: person in recovery, my heart broke when I saw the
Speaker 2: level of alleged Okay, I gotta say alleged, even though
Speaker 2: there's videos of it, Alleged of drinking right, alleged of gambling,
Speaker 2: alleged of really bad play. I mean, you don't miss
Speaker 2: a layup unless there's something physically wrong.
Speaker 1: They missed a lot of layups.
Speaker 2: But it breaks my heart and I'm saying leadership is absent.
Speaker 2: So you know what would have made this different. Leadership
Speaker 2: would have taken home. And by the way, all they
Speaker 2: showed with pictures of the general managers and the team,
Speaker 2: where the hell were the two coaches? Why didn't those
Speaker 2: two coaches set a standard and say you are not
Speaker 2: coming on this court if you are hungover, honey, and
Speaker 2: you don't pass a breathalyzer test.
Speaker 1: Right, Why didn't they.
Speaker 2: Set a standard? You know what the differences.
Speaker 1: They even what you said is even though they're grown ups,
Speaker 1: they should have some of the NCAA practices and policies.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you what the NCAA is. If you
Speaker 2: want to play in the big leagues, you got to
Speaker 2: act like a big league. You don't act like Kathy
Speaker 2: jokingly made you a joke. You'd a joke. And here's
Speaker 2: what I want to say. Let's talk about this because
Speaker 2: the leadership could shape these young people. And people want
Speaker 2: to get all over Caitlyn Clark's cakes for her emotions
Speaker 2: on the court. I think some I think I'd love
Speaker 2: to sit down with Caitlyn Clark and become her emotional coach.
Speaker 2: I know exactly how to help her mentor her how
Speaker 2: to control those emotions on the court. I would know
Speaker 2: exactly how to do that. Who in the world is
Speaker 2: doing it? Not Stephanie White because allegedly stuff's coming out
Speaker 2: about her. I mean, what the heck this is like?
Speaker 2: This is worse than the worst Joker movie that came out.
Speaker 2: But it is a leader ship nicky.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's it's why didn't why didn't she expect
Speaker 1: and advocate for you know, let's showcase the game for
Speaker 1: a second. Why didn't she expect and advocate top flight play?
Speaker 1: It could have been. It would have been just as
Speaker 1: celebratory and fun as the slot that they put out.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, you're going to look at somebody. I used
Speaker 2: to play softball. I got had more softball trophies, coach
Speaker 2: more softball teams here in Jersey, and I got to
Speaker 2: tell you when we went out the night before, we
Speaker 2: couldn't even see the ball. So I want to just say,
Speaker 2: when you are hungover, intoxicated, out all night, you are
Speaker 2: never going to be able to show up.
Speaker 1: Well exactly exactly, Hey, Pat, I thought you would, you
Speaker 1: would have fun after the game at the bar.
Speaker 2: Either way, I'm just saying we never did drink before
Speaker 2: a game. That was never gonna happen. On my watch,
Speaker 2: it was never going to happen. I mean, you can't
Speaker 2: stop people. They're just in the car drink and beer themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but clearly after the game. The problem was when we
Speaker 2: were in tournaments and you get drunk after the game,
Speaker 2: then you got to play the next game.
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, that's some things.
Speaker 2: But look, here's leadership at its worst. There was no
Speaker 2: integrity risk. The league determined that this was trash talk. Okay,
Speaker 2: come on, now, do you know if you're going to
Speaker 2: say that's trash talk between friends, then you are not
Speaker 2: going to monitor be able to monitor any kind of
Speaker 2: trash talk. You're not gonna I.
Speaker 1: Mean, where is the show for some reason, some reason
Speaker 1: you know that that that that basically is we're going
Speaker 1: to act like men, and they're really not acting like
Speaker 1: men because in men's professional sports, you know, people do it,
Speaker 1: but they you know, they're not. It's kind of frowned
Speaker 1: upon by the league. They just don't doce it to that.
Speaker 1: They deal with that, they deal with that at least
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, they deal with that. They don't tolerat
Speaker 1: it that much.
Speaker 2: They don't. I mean, it's really clear. All of the
Speaker 2: critics that have come out have made a point that
Speaker 2: any male athlete in the NBA or NFL joked about
Speaker 2: a four hundred dollars side bet on their own game
Speaker 2: and then brag about it collecting the money after Angel,
Speaker 2: they would likely face immediate suspension, massive league investigations. And
Speaker 2: once a league investigates you, Okay, So here's what I
Speaker 2: want to say. This is what I said in my post.
Speaker 2: I said, newsflash, are you people forgetting that the Congress
Speaker 2: is watching you? Did you forget that? Hello, Olivia Miles,
Speaker 2: you tripping up Caitlin Clark in the game the other night?
Speaker 2: Did you really have to do that? Don't you know
Speaker 2: that is out there in the congress people's hands right now?
Speaker 2: You putting your leg out with the Clark and then
Speaker 2: the other one is punching Cunningham in the face. Know
Speaker 2: that these people they're not only watching you, they are
Speaker 2: copied on posts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a it's it's my heart is broken.
Speaker 2: Because I am a sports fan, I have been an
Speaker 2: advocate for women in sports all my life, all my life,
Speaker 2: all my life, and as a matter of fact, I
Speaker 2: was one of the first people in my sport to
Speaker 2: demand the play in an open championship because women weren't
Speaker 2: allowed to. But you see, somebody made a post the
Speaker 2: other day and they said Kathy should be replaced with
Speaker 2: Condal Liza Rice, And I said, you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure I ever voted for Canda Lisa Rice or anything,
Speaker 2: but she's got my vote.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Why don't we look at this leader and say you
Speaker 2: got to go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, why don't they Why don't they
Speaker 1: let her go and and and recruit somebody and hire
Speaker 1: somebody that's going to uphould standards, standards of play and
Speaker 1: standards of conduct. You know, it's like, why is she
Speaker 1: letting everybody get away with? Does she act like that
Speaker 1: it Deloyd? I doubt it.
Speaker 2: Well, she has to be reminded of a few things.
Speaker 2: Let's lead people with, kid, She's got to be reminded of.
Speaker 2: This is called the this is what she has to
Speaker 2: be reminded of. You want to get the acknowledgment that
Speaker 2: the men get. Here's what I want to say to you, Kathy,
Speaker 2: Trevor Davis Airport incident a joke. They call this. He
Speaker 2: joked at the ticket line. He was arrested at on
Speaker 2: the spot. There was no kidding and there were severe consequences.
Speaker 2: Peter Freesmer Hockey, Lando Norris, Gilbert Arnus arrest on probation.
Speaker 2: These are people cases that the leagues that the w
Speaker 2: n b A might choose to be leaning based on
Speaker 2: their own public relation blenders. Both sports leagues and federal
Speaker 2: legal system generally maintained zero tolerance and Kathy, you cannot
Speaker 2: hide from this. It's not going to go within No.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I believe. I believe the coaches should have
Speaker 1: stepped up. I believe the players they're key stakeholders in this.
Speaker 1: They should have generally definitely stepped up and proactively. They
Speaker 1: should have gotten together and said, how what do we
Speaker 1: want to what do we want to show people? What
Speaker 1: do we want to advocate out there? How do we
Speaker 1: want to display ourselves? And I don't think anybody made
Speaker 1: them ask those questions and answered them as a group, uh,
Speaker 1: and challenge them if they wanted this to be a drunken,
Speaker 1: fun sloppy kind of display. I think it's it's if
Speaker 1: they want to go to the NBA standards. They got
Speaker 1: to stop start acting like they're serious about what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and it still could be fun and exciting and celebratory,
Speaker 1: you can come by.
Speaker 2: They are pasted the point of no return unless they
Speaker 2: do something about the gambling. Mickey, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: tell you that, right, well, they are past the point
Speaker 2: of credibility. You're saying they're past the point. They're past
Speaker 2: the point, and this they got there, passed the point
Speaker 2: of any credibility. But here's what I want to say,
Speaker 2: despite a letter from Congress around Caitlyn Clark, what we
Speaker 2: saw in the Lynx game the other night, the hit
Speaker 2: in the face to Cunningham, the tripping by Olivia Miles
Speaker 2: of Caitlin Clark, no fouls call, and Stephanie White, are
Speaker 2: you on sleeping pills or something that you can't get
Speaker 2: up from the bench and jump up and down? Can't
Speaker 2: you say something? Do something?
Speaker 1: And she doesn't see it. She doesn't see it, so
Speaker 1: she doesn't respond to it. She says she doesn't see it,
Speaker 1: so she she's basically admitting she's blind.
Speaker 2: Well, one last thing, the clip of that trip, there
Speaker 2: is a referee looking right at it. This is not integrity,
Speaker 2: and there isn't a leader in the bunch.
Speaker 1: No, I mean the players aren't taking enough accountability. The
Speaker 1: coaches are definitely not, and I would doubt that the
Speaker 1: team executives and owners are taking you know, much responsibility
Speaker 1: for this is I got.
Speaker 2: To tell you something. If somebody made a racial or
Speaker 2: an LGBT slur or sum slur against me jokingly, there
Speaker 2: is no you know what, no such thing as a
Speaker 2: joke when it comes to harming other people or breaking
Speaker 2: laws and systems. Yes, officer, I was jokingly playing and
Speaker 2: going through that red light. Oh laugh with me about that.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I jokingly was trying to see how fast
Speaker 2: my car went. Oh chakari richardson what the heck is?
Speaker 1: When I'm you know, to me, it's the end result
Speaker 1: of compromising standards. And if you if you get into
Speaker 1: that mode, which is compromising you know, normal rules of engagement,
Speaker 1: professional rules of engagement, then you're not going to be
Speaker 1: as an app to compromise standards, standards of play, standards
Speaker 1: of work. And that's what's being allowed to happen. So
Speaker 1: I think somebody from the league in a power position
Speaker 1: has to acknowledge this or this league is going to
Speaker 1: be not taking advantage of opportunities.
Speaker 2: And I told you who the leader was going to.
Speaker 1: Run.
Speaker 2: We're going to pick it up again. We're going to run.
Speaker 2: But we had to talk about this because this is
Speaker 2: a leadership issue and leadership business leap. We'll see y'all
Speaker 2: next time.
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