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Speaker 1: Let me click this again. Let me bring this over

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Speaker 5: Now, virtual background, I got my virtual background.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'll put usually default to my road.

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Tonight we have a special debate tonight. We have Captain Tazariyak,

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a Hebrew Israelite, versus Jay Dyer, a Christian Orthodox. Let's

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Speaker 7: Both of you brothers.

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be is Orthodox. It is Christian Orthodoxy true. Jay Dyer

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about a time coming when the gentile nations would worship

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of passages in the Old Testament predict an era that

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present gifts and offerings to the Messiah. In Daniel two,

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prophets with Abraham and Moses, and they will dine together

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in the kingdom. This is a covenental meal. This is

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the exact same doctrine that the apostles and their immediate

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of the Messiah believes and teaches what we teach, and

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as the Orthodox Church. Thus, the Orthodox Church is a

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fulfillment of all of those Old Testament prophecies, and the

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Speaker 7: Once you start speaking, I'll start.

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Speaker 1: Birdman hands rubbing together.

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non Israelites. That's something that we as the Hebrew Israelites

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the truth, and the truth shall set you free. And

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he said he don't believe it on me is the

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scriptures have said. And what we know of the Church

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gonna be calmly and nicely bringing gifts. No, they're gonna

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do it by force, because in his wrath he smite us.

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He's coming here to bring war and revelations. The nineteen

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also not in the Bible. When I'm saying God, to

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not good things. These councils were sometimes violent, people were

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the council. So I have no respect for Church fathers

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none whatsoever, because the disciples did not put anybody in prison.

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Speaker 1: The disciples did not do anything.

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family in our school.

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Speaker 1: They always knew that they was Israelites.

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Speaker 3: So to say that black people didn't know they was

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Israelites during slavery, that's also a lie.

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Speaker 1: But that's not necessarily the subject.

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Speaker 3: When they talk about Christ's birth, they'll tell you that

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God made Mary pregnant. I don't see a prophecy in

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the Bible where God is going to make a woman

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pregnant to deliver the King of Israel. But I can

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read in the Bible that it says through the seed

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of David that the King of.

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Speaker 1: Israel would come.

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Speaker 3: But the Christian Church, I'm pretty sure ja if he's

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orthodoxed Christians, those are the things that they believe. So

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we are diametrically opposed to everything about Christianity. When they

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use the word church in the New Testament, that's just

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a Greek word for congregation. In the oldpo you got

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thirty that's just a Greek translation of congregation in the

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Old Testament. So what I'm assuming I'll be presenting in

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this argument with my opponent is that orthodoxed christian as

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well as every other Christianity does not teach the Word

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of God.

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Speaker 1: I learned right there, all.

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Speaker 7: Right, just in sign both of you fellas.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So let's hop right into the two minutes back

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and forth. Who wants to go first, Who wants to

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go ahead and present their position, and then have the

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other person give a rebuttal.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll begin my rebuttal with because he he gave

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his his statement God.

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Speaker 7: It saw start to two minutes once you start speaking,

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all right.

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Speaker 5: So first of all, I would say that he claims

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that what he believes is older than Christianity. I would

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like eventually to get some soorceer citation on anybody having

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the exact beliefs of his sect prior to the eighteen hundred.

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So I want something between the time and what he

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thinks the Old Testament taught, or in the time of

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the Apostles.

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Speaker 1: Or all the way up until the eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 5: Because Jesus said his kingdom would not fail, that it

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would not collapse, that the gates of Hell would not

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prevail against it. And so if there's over a thousand,

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almost two thousand years where there's nothing anywhere anything like

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this cult's view, then he's failed to demonstrate that. He said,

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the Kingdom of God comes as he says, Jesus comes

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taking crowns, and it's warfare. But then he said the

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ecumenical councils were quote violent. Well, you just said violence

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isn't bad, and then you tried to say that if

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an ecumenical council has people slapping or fighting, that's bad,

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that's violent.

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Speaker 1: That's a contradiction. He said.

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Speaker 5: The New Testament doesn't have people being cut off, doesn't

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have people dying. When Peter walks up to antonyasins the fiber,

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he pronounces that they die because of their heresy, and

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they died. The Kingdom of God, according to Christ, is within.

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It does not come with open signs and open destruction

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and power in the sense of his king, of his

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disciples primarily being zelots that would fight. This is Jesus

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rebuking the zealots that he had as followers, and he

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said that.

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Speaker 1: Jesus isn't God.

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Speaker 5: Even though John One says that the word in the

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beginning was the word.

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Speaker 1: The words with God, the word was God.

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Speaker 5: And Hebrews One links that to the creation of the

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world the Son. The Son in Hebrews One is said

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to be the creator of all things that have a

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beginning and have existence. Well, if Jesus is created, then

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he would not be classed as the thing that creates

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all things. And so Hebrews One is a very easy way.

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John won is a very easy way to see that

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everything he said was total nonsense.

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Speaker 7: All right, time, cap, I'll start whenever you start speaking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listening is an art, and my opponent doesn't listen.

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When I said the disciples did not put anybody in prison,

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I'm talking about amongst themselves. I'm not talking about their enemies,

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but in those counsels that they did have wars with

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each other because they did not agree. Listening is an art.

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When he asks if anybody followed my cult. Cult is

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short for culture, and the culture of the Bible is

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exactly where we get it from. When we say that

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it's only for Israel, because Christ said I'm not sent

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but into the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

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When we say it's only for Israel, Christ sent his

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disciples to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

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So unless my opponent can show that the disciples gathered

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all of the lost sheep of the House of Israel,

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they're about the same cult that I am in the Church.

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Fathers lie and say that they went to somebody else.

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Christ gave direct orders. Paul said, so all Israel shall

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be saved as it is written. He didn't say all

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nations shall be saved as it is written. And my

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opponent will not show a verse that says all nations

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will be saved as it is written. He cannot show that.

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In John one and one, anybody can read the Greek

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texts and know that the last part of that when

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it says in the beginning was the Word, and the

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word was with God, and the word was God. In

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the Greek it would say and God was the word,

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emphasizing power, because a man can be God and not

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God in the sense of the most High. Because we

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can read where God called Moses a god. And then

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he referenced Hebrews one, which I wouldn't have done, because

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in Hebrews one it says in the past he spoke

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to us by the prophets but in this time God

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spoke to us by the Sun. So if God says

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he spoke to us by the Son, my opponent can't

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say the Son is God because God ain't talking to himself.

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Speaker 6: Land right, all right, right on time, Jake, whenever you start, I'll.

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Speaker 5: Start so again, like this is funny because it doesn't

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seem to be aware that Antonias and Saphirah were disciples.

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They were in the church, and they were pronounced to

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be of a wicked disposition, and then that thus they

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were considered to be worthy by divine and thus by

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Petriing decree in that case, to be worthy of death.

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So he has no idea what acts actually teaches or says. Second,

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I asked specifically if he has any evidence of anybody

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believing his position from the time of Christ up until

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the eighteen hundreds. He didn't give anything. He didn't listen

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to what I said either, because I said specifically that

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in Matthew twenty one forty three, Jesus says to the Pharisees,

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the Kingdom of God will be taken to you and

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given to a nation producing the fruits thereof What is

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this nation of the New Testament? Well, Peter says the

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first pay er too, that you to the in the

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Catholic of Epistles, to the gentile converts who had converted

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in the Book of Acts, chapter ten and on, that

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they would be called a royal priesthood and a holy nation.

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The Church in Galatians sixty sixteen is the new Israel.

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We are told, in fact, in the Psalms that excuse me,

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that in the Old Testament prophets were told that the

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knowledge of the Lord would cover the earth as the

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sea covers the water. So that's a universal scope. And

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describe the church at Rome, which was Gentile and Jewish

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converts together as the new Israel and the fulfillment of

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these Old Testament prophecies that I listed in my opening statement.

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So again Romans fifteen and sixteen teaches this. Then Hebrews one,

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it's a play on John one in the sense of

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the creation of the world. Hebrews one says that to

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the Son the Father, as God says, you create, sit

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out in my right hand, God, your throne forever. So

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God is a generic reference and black Heber Israelites don't

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understand grammar, so they don't understand that words can refer

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to different things. In the scriptures, the word God picks

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out deities, it picks out person, it picks out nature,

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it picks out energy, and it can even pick out

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humans and demons.

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Speaker 7: All right, cap you go.

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Speaker 6: He went five seconds over, so I'll give you a

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little bit of time left over to quhead of cop

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no proud.

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Speaker 3: I answered this questions directly. When he asked about my cult,

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I showed Paul was in my cult. He didn't respond.

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Paul said, so all Israel shall be saved. And then

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I challenged him to say, where does it say all

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nations will be saved?

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Speaker 1: And he did not. James is in my cult. James letter, James.

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Speaker 3: A servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ

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to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad.

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Speaker 1: That's my cult.

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Speaker 3: Because anybody reading the letter of James that are not

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the twelve tribes, that letter is not for you. First,

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Peter is one and two because he brought up Peter

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elect some excuse me. First, Peter's one in one rather

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says the addresses the letter who he's talking to. And

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then it says because he's in it, says to the

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strangers scattered through Pontus Excimunulatia, Cappadocia, Asia bethena elect according

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to the fore knowledge of God the Father and the

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sanctification of the Spirit, unto the obedience of the spreaking

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of the blood of Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: The strangers that are in those lands are the elect.

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Speaker 3: The elect are the children of Israel, because God never

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elected another nation.

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Speaker 1: Paul says this in Romans the ninth chapter.

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Speaker 3: In Romans the ninth Chapter, Paul says, if you're not

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from the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, you.

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Speaker 1: Are not a son of God.

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Speaker 3: So when he asks me to show people during Christ's time,

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up until now, I've shown it. What he's talking about

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is when the church fathers come later and then pollute it.

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They have polluted it up until this day because thirty

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live in the Bible, which is what I say, a

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direct verse that says all nations shall be saved, like

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I can show a direct verse. Isaiah forty five and

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seventeen says Israel shall be saved in the Lord with

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a neverthlasting salvation. You shall not be ashamed or confounded world.

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He can't show that by nation in the Bible.

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Speaker 1: I challenge him.

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Speaker 7: Land, All right, go ahead, Jay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is simple.

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Speaker 5: In Genesis twelve, fifteen, seventeen, and twenty two, Abraham is

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given a promise that in his seed, all the nations,

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all the tribes of the earth would be blessed again.

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The knowledge of the Lord would be as vast as

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the sand on the seashore. Isaiah the Psalms. I'll quote

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Romans again, because he doesn't understand the basics of Romans

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and fifteen. Paul says that he was an apostle to

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the gentile nations to confirm both for the circumcision that's

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the Jews and the non circumcised, that the gentiles might

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glorify God for his mercy. As is written, I will

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confess to you amongst the gentiles and sing to your name.

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And he says again in the Prophets, rejoice, o Gentiles

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together with his people, the Jews, and again, praise the Lord.

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You gentiles lawed him, all of you peoples. Paul is

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writing to a church at Rome which had a significant

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problem of jew and Gentile getting together and getting along

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in the worship of Christ. Thus, these passages show as

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the promises in the first century, in example, for example,

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the Roman Church, are exactly the way that I interpreted them.

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So the universal scope is in Genesis twelve fifteen seventeen

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twenty two, the promise to Abraham, It's in Romans fifteen.

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Genesis twelve fifteen seventeen twenty two is in Christ and

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faith in Christ. The church at Galatia was a gentile

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believing church. We have a succession of bishops after that

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that believe all the same things that the Orthodox Church teaches.

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Now I didn't say, I didn't ask you at the

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time of Christ. Do you think that James and Paul

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teach your I said, name somebody between the post Apostolic period,

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the time of Christ, the time of them Siah, all

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the way up to the eighteen hundreds that teaches your

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cult view.

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Speaker 7: I can't hear you time.

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Speaker 1: Cat.

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Speaker 7: I'm ready when you are.

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Speaker 1: No problem again. I want everybody to pay attention.

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Speaker 3: My challenges are not being answered as I answer his challenges.

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So I further answer the challenge. The reason why we

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say to eighteen hundreds. And when you start seeing visual

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representation of black people identifying as Israelites. Is in Daniel's

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the twelfth chapter when it says, seal up the book

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until the end. And then when Christ said the kingdom

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of will be t Matthew twenty four, when he says,

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when you see the abomination of desolation, stand when Israel failed,

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there was a silence of it, Daniel twelve and four.

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But douar Dan, you shut up the words and seal

475
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the book even to the time of the end. And

476
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many shall run to and fro. That's the church fathers.

477
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They shall run to and fro and knowledge. How increase

478
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their knowledge? But my questions aren't answered. Going to Genesis

479
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the twelfth chapter is not what we're talking about, because

480
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we're not talking about a blessing. We're talking about the Covenant.

481
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We're talking about salvation. And in the criteria of it,

482
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the criteria says, I will bless them, that bless thee.

483
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So in order for another nation to even get blessed

484
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by us, they have to first bless us. And then

485
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,160
it says I will curse them, that curse thee. So

486
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if that nation is cursing us, they can't get the blessing.

487
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That's why when Paul mentions it in gulations, he's specific

488
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about the children of Israel because he doesn't mention that

489
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the other nations have to bless us. He only uses

490
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the blessing. Example, Abraham wanted Ishmael to live. The Lord

491
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gave Ishmael a blessing, but he said, my covenant will

492
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I make with Isaac.

493
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Speaker 1: He also didn't answer Romans the ninth chapter answer.

494
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Speaker 3: He hasn't answered Romans eleven and twenty six, has not

495
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answered Romans the ninth chapter, hasn't answered.

496
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Speaker 1: Any of that.

497
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Speaker 3: And at the end of Galatians it says that your

498
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heirs according to the promise. So nobody has received the

499
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promise except the children of Israel.

500
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna add another question. He still does not

501
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:13,039
answer my questions.

502
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Speaker 3: Where does it say the promise went to anybody except

503
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the children of Israel?

504
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Speaker 7: Book Chat the verse A land All right, Tom, go ahead, Jack.

505
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a fundamentally uneducated person. So he's not

506
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aware that when you read the Bible, you look at

507
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who the audience is of those letters. The church at

508
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:35,640
Galatia is not a bunch of Hebrew Israelites. It's gentile

509
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:39,880
converts who are struggling with whether they need to undergo circumcision.

510
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And to answer his specific question about the promise, this

511
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is the Covenant promise to Abraham, which Paul says explicitly

512
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:50,559
in Christ, you are all sons of God through faith

513
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in Christ. For if you are baptized into Christ, you

514
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have put Him on. Thus there is neither Jew nor Greek.

515
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Greek stands in for the nations.

516
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

517
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Speaker 5: Is not just Greeks, It's anyone who converted to be

518
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baptized into Christ. And thus if you are baptized, you

519
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,640
are heirrors of the prom escalations for one. So this

520
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is a fundamentally illiterate person. I did sites, specifically texts

521
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and verse Romans fifteen written to a church of Gentiles

522
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:26,079
and Jews together believing in the Messiah. The Church at

523
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,000
Rome specifically cites those psalms that I've had in my

524
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opening statement and those prophecies that the gentile nations together

525
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would worship with the Messiah. In the Book of Isaiah,

526
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God says, I will put my footstool, I will make

527
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ed On, I will make Egypt, I will make Syria

528
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,119
my footstool and my house, and they will all together

529
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,519
worship me. There will be an altar in Egypt to

530
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worship me. So this is an expansive open covers. Matthew

531
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twenty one forty three says that the kingdom will be

532
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taken from the Jews and given to a nation producing

533
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,119
the fruit threw up. When you read the Book of Acts,

534
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,440
the first ten chapters are about the Jews rejecting the

535
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,599
Messiah and that opening up to.

536
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: The gentile nations.

537
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Speaker 5: So again he has not given a single person prior

538
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to eighteen hundreds after the Apostles. I know he thinks

539
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,880
the apostle teaches you. There's nobody that teaches this cult view.

540
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,839
So it's a restorationist sect. And all restorationist cults are

541
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defeated by the fact that Jesus said that his kingdom

542
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,000
that he would set up his first advent, cannot be destroyed.

543
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,359
Speaker 6: Time all right, cap, he went eleven minutes over. This

544
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,400
is the captain eleven seconds over. Sorry about that eleven seconds,

545
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,319
My bad, cap you have I'll give you eleven seconds

546
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:47,240
over as well. But also this is going to close

547
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:49,759
out the back end the times back and forth. Right

548
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:53,599
after you respond cap we're going to get into open dialogue.

549
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Okay, no problem.

550
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: I just want to point out in his whole dialogue

551
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,319
he has not answered one of my questions with a

552
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,759
book chapter. I said, show where nation can be saved

553
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by book chapter verse.

554
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,079
Speaker 1: He has not shown it.

555
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,599
Speaker 3: I showed the show where nation is a part of

556
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,359
this covenant outside of Israel. He has not shown it.

557
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,799
But what he does do is what the Church fathers did.

558
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,359
They make Greek. And he said, although it says Greek,

559
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,480
that goes to everybody, So he can give a breakdown

560
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,480
of Greek to make everybody.

561
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: But he can't show a verse that says it's for everybody.

562
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Speaker 3: Greek in Gentile is not synonymous to the original Greeks,

563
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and gentile just means nation.

564
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: By definition, Israel is a gentile by nation.

565
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Speaker 3: Genesis twenty five and three, when it says two nations

566
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are in their wound, Israel is a gentile. Genesis forty

567
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:43,839
eight and eighteen, it calls Ephraim a gentile Jacob and

568
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,880
Genesis thirty five and eleven is told he would be

569
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,559
a multitude of Goyam, which is worth the word gentile means.

570
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So it's prophesied that Jacob would be excreme me that

571
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he would become a multitude of nations or a multitude

572
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,599
of gentiles, or multitude of So you can't use the

573
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word gentile and make it synonymous. So if I go

574
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to Hebrews eight and eight New Testament, it says I

575
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,119
will make a new covenant with the House of Judah,

576
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,079
with the House of Israel. Why doesn't it say with

577
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,920
the house of everybody. If my opponent says it's for everybody.

578
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So if the Bible says the New Testament is only

579
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,000
for the House of Israel, house of Judah, then.

580
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Speaker 1: He's a liar.

581
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Speaker 3: According to the Bible, the Bible says that God be true,

582
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and every man and liar. And since he spoke about Paul,

583
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,400
I'll take my life second here Romans ninety four. Who

584
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,400
are Israelites to whom pertain the adoption the glory? So

585
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,320
he can't say Paul is writing to anybody else because

586
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,159
Paul said only the Israelites pertain the adoption.

587
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Romans nine and eight says that is, the children of.

588
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Speaker 3: The flesh are not the children of God, but the

589
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,519
children of the promise are counted for the seed. So

590
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,679
if you can't show a book chapter verse that another

591
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,119
nation is the children of the Promise, then they are

592
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,360
not the children of God. I dare you to do it?

593
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:03,280
I dare you.

594
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,199
Speaker 1: I'm done?

595
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 7: All right?

596
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: That go.

597
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 6: That closed out the two minutes back and forth for buddles.

598
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,920
Let's hop right into the open dialogue for forty five minutes, gentlemen,

599
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:17,159
one mic at a time. Try to have some decorum.

600
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,159
I'll come in if I need to. But you know,

601
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,719
if not, you guys aren't gonna hear from me. You

602
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,559
guys are professionals. So let's hop right into it. I

603
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:29,679
think that since Cap you had the last response, Jay

604
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,800
kick it off for us.

605
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:32,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

606
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Speaker 5: Can you name anybody after the time of the Apostles

607
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,440
up to the eighteen hundreds that taught your cultureview?

608
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,039
Speaker 3: Harriet Tubman's whole family knew that they were Israelites Wan

609
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,360
eighteen hundreds. Well, slavery started in the sixteen hundreds. If

610
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,760
you allowed me to finish, you would have heard thank you.

611
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,760
So Harriet Tubman's family, when I say family, was passed

612
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down from the time that they came over here from Africa,

613
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,679
from the Ashanti tribe.

614
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: When they came over here, they.

615
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Speaker 3: Had their tradition of knowing they with Israelites up into

616
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,639
this day. I have Captain debar Mouth at my school

617
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:07,679
that's from that family.

618
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,599
Speaker 1: He already knew he was an Israelite.

619
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Speaker 3: So I know they like to believe that we didn't

620
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,440
know that we was Israelites, but we knew that we

621
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,239
was Israelites coming off of them ships.

622
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 5: So your citation is from a family legend that Harriet

623
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,159
Tubman in the eighteen hundreds supposedly had.

624
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm asking for anybody.

625
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,599
Speaker 5: From the time of the Messiah, after the Apostles up

626
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,719
to the prior to the eighteen hundreds who taught what

627
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,000
your cult teachers well.

628
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: Already already showed from the time of the Messiah by

629
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,199
using the Bible, which trumps anything that.

630
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:38,159
Speaker 1: You or I would say.

631
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:42,639
Speaker 5: Jesus finish us want to finish their answer in the

632
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,440
middle of answering the question, I just want to finish

633
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,360
the seventh.

634
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: The only person that has not laughed while the other

635
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,840
person spoke was me. The only one that has not

636
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,039
chuckled what you meant, and the only person that has

637
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:59,639
not interrupted the other is me, and you cannot answers

638
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:00,760
no problem.

639
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,679
Speaker 1: So I'm glad.

640
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 7: Okay, gentlemen, let me go ahead and create a little decor.

641
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: Anybody when you agate, he can't.

642
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 7: Say this is open, it's it's it's it's open, back

643
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,280
and forth.

644
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 6: And he was just asking a clarifying He was giving

645
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,599
a clarifying rebuttal to his question.

646
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 7: That's all he was given, and all I was saying.

647
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,519
Speaker 3: If he would have just been quiet, I would have explained, because.

648
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,559
Speaker 6: Sure enough enough, Jay, do you mind yielding so cap

649
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,559
can just land his plane again.

650
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:38,039
Speaker 5: I'm wanting a specific person after the Apostles up to

651
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:39,920
the eighteen hundreds.

652
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: I'm giving you Harriet Tubman and her family.

653
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: And I even see eighteen that is not there to

654
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,360
this listener, Prior.

655
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: To the eighteen hundreds, when they was in the west

656
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,559
coast of Africa in the Ashanti tribe, they knew that

657
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:57,440
they were Israelite. So when they came off the slave ship,

658
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:01,079
what the of that I just told is the oral tradition?

659
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: We have them in our family.

660
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,159
Speaker 3: And if I'm not mistaken, all throughout the Bible, before

661
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,039
we've got the Laws of Moses, you know what they

662
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:09,960
had the oral tradition?

663
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: Interesting, that's not Is.

664
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: That not true? Did they not have oral tradition before

665
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,920
Moses wrote the law. The oral tradition is that I'm

666
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,199
asking a question, Yes or no?

667
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,079
Speaker 1: Did they have tradition put the Bible together?

668
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: Did they have oral tradition before Moses wrote the law down?

669
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: Yes?

670
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,119
Speaker 3: Or so we're out in the gate and what happens

671
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,440
A lot of times Black people can't have oral tradition

672
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:32,440
that matters.

673
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 5: But we do are actual historical academic sources that point

674
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:37,679
to the oral tradition back.

675
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,119
Speaker 1: You can go into the colleges. You can have no

676
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,519
academic You can go into the colleges in Louisiana you

677
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,679
started an academical scholar. You can go to the well.

678
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:49,039
Speaker 7: I don't need they tell us for the audience purpose.

679
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,400
Can you just let us? Can you allow one another

680
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,400
to land their plane?

681
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,079
Speaker 1: So?

682
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 6: Uh, Jay just finished the last statement, and then and

683
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,039
then Cap respond.

684
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: To that and then yeah we've not heard any if.

685
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Cap.

686
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 3: But let them let him just question. I wanted to

687
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,039
ask you a question before he spoke. I wasn't trying

688
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,960
to interrupt him. Sure, I'm asking this because this is

689
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,400
not him, just really me. So after he asked the question,

690
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,559
I want to know. I want to make sure I'm

691
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,639
not rude. When I switched the question and ask him

692
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,159
a question like how long do we stay?

693
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,599
Speaker 6: That's fine, a fair question, cap. Basically, if you guys

694
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,679
can answer one another questions. I'm keeping track of this

695
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,719
the best that I can. He's asking questions, a specific question,

696
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,159
so he's just looking for an answer.

697
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: This is no.

698
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,599
Speaker 3: I get that part. He's not satisfied with my answer.

699
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:40,440
I get that part.

700
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,559
Speaker 1: What I'm just simply asking is and this goes for

701
00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:44,719
both of us, how long how long.

702
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:47,559
Speaker 3: Do we stay on either one of our questions before

703
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,800
he gets to then ask me an ad vice versa?

704
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 6: So once again, it's just it's just I'll stop the

705
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,760
clock right here because we're having just the meta conversation

706
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,559
about the debate.

707
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 7: So once again, it's just open dialogue. Cap.

708
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:06,159
Speaker 6: I'm as you guys go. So let's just be good faith.

709
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,880
If he asked you a question, yep, I got your cap.

710
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,199
So let's be good faith. If he asked you a question,

711
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,760
reply back, answer his question. If you then want to

712
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,960
ask him a question, totally fine. But we have to

713
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allow one another room to reply back to questions and

714
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to give rebuttals and everything else.

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Speaker 7: So let's go back to Jay.

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Speaker 6: Jay, go ahead and restate your position and then cap

717
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you get to respond, right.

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Speaker 5: So referring to an oral tradition allegedly that Harriet Tubman said,

719
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which again I'd like some source, some academic, scholarly citation

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as to the pedigree of this is not an answer

721
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to somebody between the timeframe of the post of Apostolic

722
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period to the eighteen hundreds. So he can't do that

723
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because this cult didn't exist. It's a new, made up

724
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restorationist cult.

725
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's fine to say that is made up,

726
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and I don't have to prove it over then, don't

727
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I don't.

728
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Speaker 1: Have to prove that.

729
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,559
Speaker 3: What the debate title is about Orthodox Christianity, not about

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what Black Israelites said. They so I just want to

731
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be able to finish again again they were Orthodox in

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the so, but that's not is not thank you. I'm

733
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glad somebody being unbiased. So that's not the debate title.

734
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The debate title is Christian Orthodox Christianity. True, that's the

735
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:31,719
actual debate title. So when you actually look up, if

736
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you want to go scholar, anybody can look up Frank Cherry,

737
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,400
William Saunders. You can look these people up and they

738
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all carry that tradition. So now just name two other people,

739
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:43,920
so that's three different people. Harriet Tubman, Frank Cherry, William

740
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Sanders all all had the traditional and the key thing

741
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about him saying eighteen hundreds because that's when they decided

742
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to put a time stamp on it. What I'm talking

743
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about is oral tradition coming off the slaves. Even to

744
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,480
this day, you'll see people from the Europa tribe, the

745
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Igbo tribe, the Ashanti tribe that will tell you that

746
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the asks me that the people take.

747
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Speaker 1: It on them. Slave ships were Israelites.

748
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Speaker 3: I can't help it if academia doesn't respect it.

749
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Speaker 1: So that's why I yield.

750
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Speaker 3: So there's no history, and that's why I model you.

751
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,800
That's why I yield to the oral tradition.

752
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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

753
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Speaker 3: Now, I will ask you a question. Do you have

754
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a book chapter verse? If I read Romans the ninth

755
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chapter and Romans the ninth chapter says.

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Speaker 1: This is Romans ninety four.

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Speaker 3: Who are Israelites to whom pertaining the adoption and glory

758
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to covenants, the giving of the law, the services of God,

759
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and the promises. Paul said that the Israelites pertain and

760
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own the promises and the adoption. Can you show a

761
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book chapter verse where another nation by name also owns

762
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the adoption and the promises.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you read chapter eleven, he says that the

764
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Gentiles are drafted into that very promise.

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Speaker 1: That you just meanted. That's not answering my question. It is.

766
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Speaker 5: It's a specific direct answer to your stupid answer.

767
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Speaker 3: The answer to my question is and again that's you

768
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see my opponent one person here, because at the ends

769
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of Romans eleven and twenty six it said so all

770
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Israel shall be saved.

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Speaker 1: That was not my question.

772
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Speaker 3: My question is of a nation by name that gets

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adopted and have the promises. Because if Paul says in

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Romans ninety four, who are Israelites to pertain?

775
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Speaker 1: Pertain means own, so.

776
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Speaker 3: They own adoption, glory covenant, you're gonna answer.

777
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Speaker 7: So yeah, okay, yeah, Cap, let him answer.

778
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's give a Romans gotta top yapping and let

779
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me answer your dumb aster. Just eleven, he says, you

780
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get up to he won't shut up, So.

781
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Speaker 3: I know you're not talking about Somebody said, no, I

782
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,639
know you're not talking.

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Speaker 6: All right, Cat, I think it's fair now, Cap, I

784
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think it's fairy.

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Speaker 5: Both had both had it. They can I expect you

786
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to stop you from answer interrogations?

787
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Speaker 1: That's right, but you crying about it?

788
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Speaker 6: Cat, Come on you, you ask him a question, Cat,

789
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:11,440
let him answer.

790
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Speaker 7: Go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Romans to eleven, Paul says, I do not desire that

792
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you would be ignorant of this mystery, lest you'd be

793
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wise in your own dependence. Blindness has happened to Israel

794
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until the fullness of the gentiles comes in?

795
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Speaker 1: What verse you reading? Romans eleven five? The fullness of

796
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,079
the gentiles comes in? You said, Romans eleven and twenty five?

797
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You're reading right?

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Speaker 3: So now the word gentile, because when everybody know he

799
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did not answer my question, I told him to show

800
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me that gentile.

801
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Speaker 1: Do we agree? Gentiles means nation, yes or no. It's

802
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a general term.

803
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Speaker 5: They can refer to a specific proper nation, or it

804
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:52,880
can refer to all nations. I know that grammars for

805
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,639
you as well. It can be proper or it can

806
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:59,239
be general. Can it refer to Israelites as well?

807
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: The word nation could refer to any nation Israel? Now

808
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,960
what I actually thank you? Thank you.

809
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Speaker 3: So when we see the word gentile, we can't make

810
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that meme a non Israelite or an Israelite contrastic look,

811
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:20,760
would you also agree? Also, would you also agree that

812
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context would let us know what gentile mean?

813
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Speaker 5: Because you didn't know the context of nineteen eleven grafted

814
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into the Israel when we go in Romans grafted into

815
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,519
the Jewish. True, I'm gonna jump up and.

816
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Speaker 1: I can't. I'm you. We do time?

817
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Speaker 7: This person's too Okay, let's do time.

818
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Speaker 6: Uh so we spoke backstage. Is someone request time? I

819
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,519
told him that I would adhere to it. So let's

820
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:48,920
do it, Tim, Jay, what you want to do? One

821
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minute or two minute? Responses? We should one minute is

822
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fine with you?

823
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Speaker 1: Jay? About asking question? How about the time that let's

824
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,480
do that. Let's go back and like if he asked

825
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a question.

826
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and also Captain Cesariac the other thing too, And

827
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I think, yeah, I can hear you. I think that

828
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,920
you know about this too. When someone is trying to

829
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,199
run a line of argument, maybe they're asking a question

830
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,320
looking for your answer, asking another question looking for your answer.

831
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,960
That's totally fine. That's like the interrogation part. That's what

832
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:23,400
Jay was speaking about. So you have to allow some

833
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:26,840
room for that to happen as well. And I'll allow

834
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room for you to do the same thing for him

835
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to get what I'm saying.

836
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Speaker 7: So let's hop into the one minute response.

837
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Speaker 3: I just want to get into clarity first. All right, Cat,

838
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,920
what is the length of time for the asking the questions?

839
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Speaker 6: Okay, we're just doing one minute rebuttals, Cap, So he's

840
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,559
gonna go ahead and ask his question? Is gonna be

841
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,280
he can ask his question. I'll time it. Basically, you

842
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,159
have one minute to speak. If you stop before one minute,

843
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,320
then I'll just go ahead and let the person answer

844
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:55,800
the question.

845
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: Gotcha.

846
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,519
Speaker 3: And then if there's a line of questions or follow

847
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:00,400
a question, he's entitled to do that with me.

848
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 6: Yes, how about this, because I think that both of

849
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,360
you do want to interrogate one another after we get

850
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,800
through a form of the one minute responses, see if

851
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,760
we can create some decorm and get some understanding, then

852
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,760
let's allow one another to interrogate the person.

853
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 7: So, uh, Jay the floor, George, you got a minute, Cooley.

854
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: In fairness, it was my question that he cried about,

855
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,960
not his question. To know, I want to answer that

856
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,400
I'm talking to COOLi I'm not even talking to you.

857
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 6: Okay, J, I mean I mean cap Cap.

858
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 7: Listen though, I'm yielding the floor to Jay.

859
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 6: Jay requested the one minute time or so I'm just

860
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:43,360
yielding it to him.

861
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Speaker 7: Jay.

862
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 6: My question though, cur hey, cap, Cap, Cap Cap, Let's

863
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:49,440
just do one minute?

864
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:49,639
Speaker 7: Cap.

865
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,159
Speaker 1: Come on, Cat, you.

866
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 7: Keep on saying you doing. We agreed to one minute.

867
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: Cap. I don't have a problem with the one minute,

868
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,400
but you're making it like he gets to ask me

869
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,159
a question. Answer.

870
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 6: He said, he wants to answer your question. That's what

871
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,039
he wanted to do.

872
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: So I'm just just quickly repeat the question and then

873
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,079
he answered it.

874
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:11,559
Speaker 7: I'll be ten, It'll sure, go ahead, Cap.

875
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: Question, Yeah, I appreciate it.

876
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:16,039
Speaker 3: So now and Romans nine and four, it says Israel

877
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:19,599
pertains the adoption to Covenant and the promises. Can you

878
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,480
show another nation by name that has the adoption the

879
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:25,239
Covenant and the promises?

880
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: That's the question?

881
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,599
Speaker 7: All right, Jay, you got one minute?

882
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,119
Speaker 5: Go ahead, right, So I'm gonna go to Roman to eleven.

883
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,280
I'm gonna explain the context to him and read the

884
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,039
passes where Paul specifically answers this question. I speak to

885
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,679
you gentiles. He's speaking to the church at Rome. Now,

886
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:43,079
this idiot thinks that the word gentiles there means Israel

887
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:46,280
because the word nation or gentile can also refer to

888
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,719
Israel because it just means nation. Paul is saying that

889
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,719
he is an apostle to the Gentiles to help them

890
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,760
get along with the Jews in the Church of Rome

891
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,639
who are now believing in the Messiah. I speak to

892
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,800
you gentiles, since I am an apostle to the Gentiles.

893
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: Imagine how stupid.

894
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 5: This will be for Paul to say that I'm an

895
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,320
apostle to the Jews, and I speak to you Jews

896
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,280
or just gentiles. So he doesn't understand that grammar is

897
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,320
determined by the context. Here it's contrasted to the Jews,

898
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,159
who are the native olive branch and the native tree

899
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:20,159
upon which the Gentiles are unnative and being grafted into.

900
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So his answer, the answer to rum It's nine about

901
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,480
chapter four, is that the adoption and the Covenant and

902
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,119
the promises are to all, whether slave, free, male, female,

903
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:31,039
Jew or Green.

904
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,159
Speaker 6: Said, doesn't give him a Let's let him land his plane.

905
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:37,119
We'll give him a little time over.

906
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Jaye, that's okay, go ahead.

907
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Only because you said time is why I spoke.

908
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 3: I'm sorry if you would like when you gave him

909
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,360
the extra time before I didn't speak.

910
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Speaker 1: I'm the only one having to core men anyway.

911
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,079
Speaker 3: So when he did not answer the question, I asked

912
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,920
him by name to show where other nations by name

913
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,639
get the Covenant, the promises, or the adoption.

914
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Speaker 1: He did not show it.

915
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Speaker 3: What he did go was the Romans eleven and bring

916
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,800
up I am the apostle to the Gentiles, where he

917
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stopped reading when it says, as far, I speak to

918
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you gentiles, as much as I'm apostle of the Gentiles, I.

919
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Speaker 1: Magnified my office.

920
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 3: If by any means I may provoke to emulation, then

921
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which are my flesh? His flesh is Israelites, and the

922
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Israelites in Rome were called Greek. They were Hellenized. Even

923
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when you look up the word Greek, it'll be a Hellenist,

924
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:28,400
a Jew who made Greek their tongue. That's why you

925
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,440
see Greek, That's why you see gentile. So I gotta

926
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:35,320
follow up question. In Romans nine and twenty four it

927
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says even only a called not of the Jews only,

928
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:41,400
but also of the Gentiles.

929
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Speaker 1: As he also said in oc.

930
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Speaker 5: I will call them my people, which were not my people,

931
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and her beloved, which was not my beloved.

932
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Speaker 7: Who is that written to time?

933
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: Who is that written to do? The church at Rome?

934
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,559
Jew and gentile? So do our church at Rome, both

935
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,559
you and gentile? The gentiles so the gentile?

936
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: So the gentiles in rooms nine and twenty four, or

937
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,360
would be non Israelites to you?

938
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: Again, do you not understand grammar the word? Just asking

939
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:11,280
the question?

940
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,079
Speaker 5: The word gentile can refer to a proper noun or

941
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a general.

942
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,039
Speaker 1: Now in that verse, is those gentiles? Do you understand

943
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:21,320
the difference between proper and they're just trying to get it?

944
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,400
Can I get a yes or no? Isn't that averse grammar?

945
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:26,679
In that verse? Are gentiles non Israelites to you? Yes?

946
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And no? Yes, the word gentile verse twenty five, I

947
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understand that.

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Speaker 3: So in verse twenty five when it says I will

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call them my people, excuse me as it also saying

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on c I will call them my people, which were

951
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not my people, and a beloved which was not my beloved.

952
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It is your position that the non Israelites, who at

953
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one time would not be called God's people, would now

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be called God's people.

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Speaker 5: That's your positions. The verse does correct.

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Speaker 6: Okay, got it real quick, gentlemen, real quick caps since

957
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you are running your line of argument, perfect, Let's go

958
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ahead and you can do your interrogation first.

959
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Speaker 7: We'll do two ten minutes of your interrogation.

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Speaker 1: Minutes because I only got okay, I only got like.

961
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Speaker 6: Two more questions find after this, though, Jay is going

962
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to run his interrogation definitely, okay, got it.

963
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Speaker 7: Go ahead.

964
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Speaker 1: In Roma's nine and twenty five, who is oc because

965
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it says n oc is who I'm sorry, it's Hoseah.

966
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Speaker 3: Okay, soa, And who is Joseiah talking about when he

967
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makes that statement, I will call them my people, which

968
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not my people.

969
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Speaker 5: I actually referenced this in my opening statement that it's

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a prophecy of the gentile church coming into the worship

971
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the King, the worship the God.

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Speaker 3: This is the problem I had with Orthodox Christianity. They

973
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lie on the Bible because Joseiah did not say this

974
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is a prophecy for non Israelites.

975
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Speaker 1: What Joseah actually said.

976
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Speaker 3: Sin and Jseah won in ten says, well, first of all,

977
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when you read Hoseah the first chapter versus says then

978
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said God call his name Lord mind for year, not

979
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my people, and I will not be your God. God

980
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is cutting off the children of Israel. He ain't got

981
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to cut.

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Speaker 1: Off non Israelites. Don't say correct.

983
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Speaker 3: Don't say correct now, because if that means from the

984
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time that he's writing this digit lights are not his people.

985
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:21,039
That's why Paul is in Rome quoting, you're the most

986
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,480
one of the most agrant white men I've ever out

987
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of the core.

988
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Speaker 1: All you do is though ad hounds. But it's not

989
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gonna work tonight.

990
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:32,079
Speaker 3: So no other children of Israel shall be of the

991
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sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered.

992
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Clearly talking about Israel, and this shall come the past

993
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where we're set unto them, the Israelites, ye are not

994
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my people.

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Speaker 1: To them, he as the living of God.

996
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Speaker 3: The children of Judah and the children of Israel be

997
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gathered together.

998
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Speaker 1: So you said that, You just said that.

999
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Speaker 3: In Romans, it's talking about non Israelites. But Paul is

1000
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quoting Hoseiah. I said, the children of Israel are going

1001
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to be called God's people once again.

1002
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Speaker 1: You don't know that both of those things. I know

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both of those things are true at once.

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Speaker 5: Hoseiah, in his immediate context, is rebuking the idolatrous Israelites

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of his day, and he's saying you people are going

1006
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to be rejected. God is rejecting you because anyone who

1007
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is unfaithful, even in the Old Testament, is not a

1008
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true Israelite. It was always the case that the only

1009
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way to be a true Israelite is to have faith

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in God and to faith in the coming Messiah. Jesus says,

1011
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,239
Abraham has faith in him, Moses has faith in him.

1012
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Speaker 1: That's John five to John nine.

1013
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Speaker 5: So the Old Testament saints and prophets looked ahead to

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faith in the Messiah, and that's how they were saved.

1015
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,519
But to answer his stupid question, both of those things

1016
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can be true at once. Just because Hoseiah is saying

1017
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to the Israelites of his day, you are not my people,

1018
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it doesn't mean that it's not a prophecy of the

1019
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coming era when the Messiah would bring in all the

1020
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gentile nations. I'll give you an example of specific nations

1021
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:01,920
mentioned in Psalm sixty. It says, equating between seven and eight,

1022
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Gilead is mine, Manassa is mine, Ephraim is mine, Judah's

1023
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:09,039
my lawgiver, Moab is my wash pot, eat them is

1024
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my shoe. Pelictia will triumph because of me. Those are

1025
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the historic enemies of God. And the New Testament is

1026
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citing these passages like Psalm H sixty and the others

1027
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to fulfill to point out that the fulfillment of these

1028
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,360
predictions is the gentile nations coming in.

1029
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Speaker 1: So you want specific nations listed, There you go.

1030
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,559
Speaker 5: The classic enemies of God are listed as equal to

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it amongst his people.

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Speaker 6: All right, all right, fellas, Jay h, do you want

1033
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,880
to interrogate cat? Sure, all right, let's hop right into it.

1034
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,079
I know you guys had some core disagreements on certain things.

1035
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,519
Speaker 1: Uh, Jesus, God virgin.

1036
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 6: The virgin birth, that Jesus is God, the most high God.

1037
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:59,199
Speaker 7: So Jay do things. Cat, cat cat cat none none

1038
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of the cat.

1039
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Speaker 1: Cap.

1040
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 7: I know, Cap, real quick, Cap. You got to learn

1041
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:03,280
how to yield.

1042
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 6: We're trying to help people, Jay, go ahead, floor, George.

1043
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 5: So you referred a lot of times to the scriptures

1044
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and to the New Testament, to these passages. But in

1045
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:17,360
the study of the text, the history of the texts,

1046
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and canonical studies, in a lot of cases, we don't

1047
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,239
know who wrote these texts. For example, we don't know

1048
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,679
that Matthew the Apostle is the author of the Gospel

1049
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:26,199
of Matthew.

1050
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: And so one of the.

1051
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,599
Speaker 5: Things that is central to knowing the authenticity of these

1052
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,159
texts is in fact their pedigree and their use amongst

1053
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:36,039
the Church fathers. Now, you said a bunch of things

1054
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:40,079
early on that the Church fathers all disagree. They don't

1055
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:43,599
all believe in the deity of Christ, they disagree on circumcision.

1056
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: There are no Church fathers that.

1057
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,039
Speaker 5: Disagree on the deity of Christ or the topic of circumcision,

1058
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:51,239
because it was solved in the Book of Acts in

1059
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,480
chapter fifteen at the Jerusalem Council. So number one, I

1060
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:56,239
want to know, can you cite me some of the

1061
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,039
Church fathers who disagree this assertion.

1062
00:56:58,679 --> 00:56:59,159
Speaker 1: That you made?

1063
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,559
Speaker 5: And then how do you know that the New Testament

1064
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:03,840
canon that you have is the right Canada scripture?

1065
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:08,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to find the disagreements that they had

1066
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,239
was on what I actually said was the divinity of.

1067
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: Christ you said, and circumcision. You said both.

1068
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 3: I did say circumcision too, But you asked about the

1069
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,920
differences of Jesus being God.

1070
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: That's what that was your actual question. You did mention both. Okay,

1071
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:27,440
So whichever order I choose to go, I can go

1072
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,559
Jesus Christ fathers to disagree.

1073
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,719
Speaker 3: So when I say they disagreed, they disagreed on the divinity.

1074
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:45,719
Speaker 1: Some believe Christ was created, some believe disagreements. Where's the source?

1075
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,280
If listening is an art, all you got to do

1076
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,199
is just let me respond. You don't have a yeah,

1077
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,480
you just said so.

1078
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:57,079
Speaker 3: For example, in the fourth century Nature of Christ areas

1079
00:57:57,159 --> 00:57:58,719
and nations of Alexander?

1080
00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: Is he created?

1081
00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: The debate was is he created Arius or eternal God

1082
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,320
as Nacius. Okay, but you said, you said, you just

1083
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:14,280
these are all? These are all church fathers, Iraniansaneus, he's

1084
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:20,960
not a heretic. So Iranius was called a heretic because

1085
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,840
you disagreed. However, you say his name was called a

1086
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,679
heretic because he disagreed with the other people, which is

1087
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,360
what the counters for, which is what I said from

1088
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:40,199
the beginning. Valentine, Iraneus and Valentines also how you say

1089
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:43,320
his name, they disagreed, they did not agree.

1090
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:46,199
Speaker 6: When you speak, real quick, j when you speak, come

1091
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:49,480
closer to the mic, because captain mic is overpowering yours

1092
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:52,599
a little bit when you guys are speaking over one another.

1093
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 7: Okay, so go ahead.

1094
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,719
Speaker 5: Right, So what he's citing is the debates that were

1095
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,239
had amongst church fathers and heretics.

1096
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: Church fathers, you said church fathers, and that's not church fathers.

1097
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,199
Speaker 3: They became heretics because they disagreed with the other side.

1098
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: If they agreed with the side heretics, If that's.

1099
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:21,639
Speaker 5: The standard, then the disagreements aunt amongst black heepers are

1100
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,320
like colts. Means that your sector is disqualified. If that's

1101
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,360
your standard, you idiot.

1102
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:28,639
Speaker 3: If you can stop, he COOLi is this where we

1103
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:31,280
could just disrespect and call each other names?

1104
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: Because I haven't so Cat you did?

1105
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 6: You did call him a white something? You know you

1106
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,559
guys have been you did Cat? Yeah, both, you both

1107
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:44,840
been going back and forth.

1108
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: I said he's the most ignorant white man because he

1109
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:50,880
kept interrupting me and calling me an idiot.

1110
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: I have not This was the.

1111
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 7: First time he said idiot, Cat. This is the first

1112
00:59:56,639 --> 00:59:57,639
this is the first time I've heard it.

1113
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,639
Speaker 3: When you go back to watch this, you're gonna say

1114
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:01,400
I wouldn't say it if it was the first.

1115
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:05,119
Speaker 1: Time, but he keeps saying. And I'm trying to try

1116
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:08,400
to avoid.

1117
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,239
Speaker 6: All right, cap cap, I got you cat, Cat, I

1118
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:11,880
got you Cat.

1119
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:14,239
Speaker 1: So I'm naming church fathers.

1120
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:17,719
Speaker 3: You're calling them heretics, which I'm not even mad at

1121
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,480
you calling them heretics. You're supposed to call them a heretic.

1122
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:22,840
You don't even understand that it was.

1123
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: But before they were called the heretic, they were in agreement.

1124
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:28,079
So then you said that.

1125
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,519
Speaker 3: When you said again that applied, you said, how do

1126
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,679
you demonstrate that, well, you'll call them heritic.

1127
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:36,679
Speaker 1: I didn't call them a heretic.

1128
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:38,559
Speaker 5: I said they were church You just said before that

1129
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:39,480
they were in disagreement.

1130
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:40,639
Speaker 1: How do you demonstrate.

1131
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 5: How do you demonstrate that Valentinus was in agreement with

1132
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:45,639
their an as that's your claim.

1133
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:48,519
Speaker 1: I never said that they were in agreement or disagreement.

1134
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,119
Speaker 3: I said they were until let me say better. So

1135
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:57,000
you're gonna understand, before they had the counsels, they were

1136
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:05,039
all church father the council and then whoever wor you're

1137
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:06,079
talking about the.

1138
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:08,199
Speaker 1: Same thing.

1139
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 6: Do you made the argument to say, okay, okay, Captain

1140
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:18,079
cap Cat please answer. I know, but Cat is his interrogation.

1141
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:19,920
If he's gonna real quick.

1142
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: Problem interrupted, I'm not answering.

1143
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,519
Speaker 6: No, Cap Cap, Listen, he's literally I can remember the

1144
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,559
questions he's literally asking you certain questions, and you're I

1145
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,840
need you to answer those questions. That's why he keeps

1146
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:34,719
restating the question.

1147
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:40,159
Speaker 5: He said, what you said, am us until the council?

1148
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,039
What council was Asn. It's nonsense, It doesn't there is

1149
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:45,519
no you're just saying bullshit.

1150
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: No problem.

1151
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 3: So, as I've stated, I've answered every question council.

1152
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 7: He answered that question, Jay, what council was? As N?

1153
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,519
Can you answer his specific questions?

1154
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,239
Speaker 1: You mean answer that question? Cat?

1155
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 7: You know I I mean you answer that question, cap.

1156
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:02,760
Can you do that?

1157
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,639
Speaker 1: So in the second century, excuse me, in the second

1158
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:11,280
century Nsticism versus orthodized Christianity the key figures of one side.

1159
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,039
Speaker 5: Wikipedia, dude, you made an assertion.

1160
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: This is not Wikipedia. Okay, Google, whatever your reasons.

1161
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:25,199
Speaker 5: Not at all, you'll say, You'll say, I brought up

1162
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:28,840
the second century. I bought up the two sides Nacissism

1163
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:30,079
versus Orthodo.

1164
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: I brought up the side nism.

1165
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 6: Cap once again, let's just get some quick decorum.

1166
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 7: Cap.

1167
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,039
Speaker 1: Listen, why are you saying for me to get the kor.

1168
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,639
Speaker 7: Cap is an interrogation.

1169
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 6: He's asking you specific questions that he needs specific.

1170
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:50,199
Speaker 5: Answers to agree with my interroga answering it.

1171
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,679
Speaker 6: Cap, he allowed you to interrogate him. Can you allow

1172
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:56,599
the same thing and good faith and answer the specific question.

1173
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's what you're sayings orthodox Christianity in

1174
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,880
the second century. Question, this is you're a starting directed.

1175
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:10,480
Whether he said this an assertion or not, I'm answering

1176
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:11,440
his question coolly.

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01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm not not what.

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Speaker 7: Cap.

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Speaker 6: Listen, listen, all right, Jane, go ahead and restate your

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question for the fifth time.

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Speaker 7: I think. Go ahead.

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Speaker 5: He said they were in agreement prior to the disagreements,

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which he can't demonstrate that he doesn't know that. And

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01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,760
then he said that there was a council and then

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,760
Aaronaus and Valentinis had a disagreement. There is no council

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01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,880
that Iaroneus has evolve in with with Valentinas. You said that,

1187
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Now name the council. You're just you're just spouting out bullshit.

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Speaker 1: You're ready on the internet. So when you look up

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Valentine and what council.

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Speaker 3: When you look up Valentine and Iranius, it's Valentinas. When

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01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:57,400
you look up Valentinus and Ireneus, you'll see Valentinis was

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01:03:57,679 --> 01:04:02,039
miss second century Egyptian Christians Council. You're just reading with

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Christian philosopher. I'm not reading Wikipedia. I'm just reading the information.

1194
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So again, Ireneans and Valentining. Valentinis was the leader of

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:14,760
the Gnostics, and they were.

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01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:18,239
Speaker 1: Against and they were against.

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Speaker 3: And they were against wizard. If you're having a battle,

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that is what you don't have one.

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Speaker 5: You're just you're just saying bullshit on the internet.

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Speaker 3: You said, I'm not saying on the internet. Anybody can

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01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:32,679
look this up online.

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01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,639
Speaker 1: The council. You got it on. You got it online

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01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:35,960
right now.

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01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 3: The title of it says Irene. Even Iranians even wrote

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01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:44,519
a book. What councils wrote against Hares Council shows the

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competing Christianities.

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01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,719
Speaker 1: Early don't let's say, let's Sayedia.

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Speaker 3: This is I don't know what you're saying Wikipedia. I

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would never use Wikipedia. I don't know why you you're

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using Google, you idiot. I'm not using Google again. Who

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:02,159
you're not saying nothing? If ignorant and name called like

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01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:03,920
he just you didn't say nothing?

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Speaker 7: Cool cap cap, I got you cap cap moderator.

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01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't have an.

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01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:16,159
Speaker 6: Yeah cap, It's very simple. Idiot is fine? You call

1216
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,119
him a white something like. Those things are fine. You're

1217
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:23,559
not making really any like true personal attacks. You're not

1218
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:27,760
talking about one another's family. That is fine. It's totally okay.

1219
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,559
Cap you can do the same. You guys both been

1220
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,440
doing it. But just answer his question.

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01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: I did answer it. He just didn't want what council I.

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01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 3: Said, Nasticism versus orthodized Christianity.

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01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:42,719
Speaker 5: You said that council condemned that what they.

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01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: Say a council, it's not what I said.

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01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:48,679
Speaker 3: I said they were condemn I said they were condemned

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01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:51,800
that ever, I'm not when you go back and listen,

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I would say.

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Speaker 1: They would be I didn't even use the word. I

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01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:56,000
didn't use the word condemned.

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Speaker 5: Get clear to irritate when you you said, when your

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01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:04,440
dumb ass heretice count, I said they became heritage because

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they disagreed in their council named.

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01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: In Valentine. I named other people.

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: That's why you would have the counselor of not seeing

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:21,840
when they would debate. Is Jesus, it doesn't all considered

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01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:23,280
church fathers.

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Speaker 1: A council.

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01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 3: All of these people are considered church fathers, and none

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01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,239
of them have already on the Bible.

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Speaker 1: I can't hurt. It want to like when it says

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01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:35,000
listening isn't art.

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01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 6: All right, fellas, listen, listen. Let's have some decorum for

1243
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:44,039
the audience. The audience, yeah, yeah, uh, the audience needs

1244
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,519
to hear exactly what beings said. I kind of let

1245
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,400
it rock because you know, I like the blood sport.

1246
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,000
But let's have some deform real quick.

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01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: Actually interrupts when somebody talked him.

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01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:56,679
Speaker 5: It's called the interrogation, and you got Boston interrogated you.

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01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: I gave you the respect which I wanted to want

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01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,039
to respond. I didn't you in your answer.

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01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:05,199
Speaker 5: I disagree with every answer that you gave, but I

1252
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:06,840
did not interrupt in your answer.

1253
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:08,199
Speaker 1: I did not.

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01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: When you go back and watch it, when I interrogated

1255
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,679
you about romancountsl x y Z, I did not.

1256
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: I answered the question you answer. I answered, you don't

1257
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,480
have one. I answered you didn't tell you. I answered

1258
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,159
the question. You use a chat listen.

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01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 5: If listening is listening with nothing, you wouldn't know you're

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I'm not even using chat gpt EGO have a whole

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01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:35,199
power point on the subject.

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Speaker 1: I have a whole power point on the subject. Set

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a counsel with their answer problem.

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Speaker 3: So I'll go with the different counselors that they had

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counsels three twenty five, three eighty one.

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Speaker 1: Always me.

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Speaker 5: That's one hundred and fifty years after an answer.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: I'm giving you a timeline of them having concent and

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you know that they didn't agree on the deity of Christ.

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Speaker 1: Some believe you're.

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Speaker 5: Believe he was created. Balance, I believe he wasn't created.

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That requires a counsel of us. And when the council

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went he's a deity, then the people that believe he's created.

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Speaker 6: Let's go back to time. Yeah, let's go back to

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time for decorn, for the audience. We got a lot

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of people watching, thousands, thousands of people.

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Speaker 5: You got caught in a lot of the time is

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for the person, and the time is for me.

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Speaker 1: Not when he brought up time before, that was for

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him to respond. He's melting down.

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01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, Cat, So look, Cat, we agreed to cap. We

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01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:37,560
agreed prior to the debate. Whoever requests time, I'm gonna

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adhere to it. He requested time, So uh, y'all want

1285
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,640
to do one or two minutes back and forth? One minute,

1286
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:47,279
Let's do one minute. So we done one minute, Cat

1287
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,479
and guess what for this one minute I'm going to

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You're gonna go first. So you got the one minute.

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The floor is yours once you start speaking.

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01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: Go ahead one minute to do what exactly.

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Speaker 6: Whatever you wanted to respond to and to his questions. Okay,

1292
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,520
all right, So then the woman it goes to Jay.

1293
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,319
Then do you want to take it or do you

1294
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,119
want Jay to take it? I was trying to give

1295
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it to you.

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Speaker 7: Be fair. No, he can have it, okay, Jane, The

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01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:09,800
woman is yours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 5: So again he specifically said, and people can wind back

1300
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a few minutes and you can hear that. He said

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that Iranaus and Valentinis came into disagreement and there was

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a condemnation at a council, and that's what led to

1303
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,960
the disagreement and the consideration of another person as a heretic.

1304
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,000
Iranaus was not involved in a council with Valentinus. He

1305
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:31,920
referred to Nicia, which is in one hundred and fifty

1306
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,159
years after the time of Irenaeus, where Arius is disagreeing

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01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:40,640
with Athanasius. In all academic Christian literature, even amongst people

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01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,119
who disagree with Christianity, there's not an equivalence between patristic

1309
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:49,439
writers and church fathers. Those are different categories. So for example,

1310
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,960
Origin Pertolian, they were outside of the church and they

1311
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:57,079
ended up being patristic writers. Their writings are worthwhile, they

1312
01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:01,479
have a lot of historical attestation, but they're not church fathers.

1313
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And so he's satistically said the church.

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01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: Fathers all disagreed. But you saw when we actually go

1315
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,880
into this, he has no idea. What he's talking about

1316
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,039
is just reading from the internet, all right, George.

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01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 3: Swans to Tillian for example one fifty five. Maybe that's

1318
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,239
the closer timeline to him against praxies. There was a

1319
01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:21,840
time when the sun was not Why is that controversy

1320
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,520
because people believe that Christ always was.

1321
01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: That's why it says against praxies.

1322
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: Then you have a Fanatius, which comes to ninety six

1323
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,199
that says the son is eternal. When it comes to

1324
01:10:37,239 --> 01:10:40,239
the circumcision, justin Martyr, we too should observe the fleshy

1325
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:42,560
circumcision if we did not know. That's one hundred a

1326
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:47,760
d says Torah had a temporary purpose. Irnius one thirty

1327
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,560
two O two. Abraham was justified without circumcision. Emphasizes faith

1328
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:52,159
over the law.

1329
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Speaker 5: So there was a discrepancy of you that didn't have

1330
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,319
to do circumcision, or you could do circumcisions.

1331
01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:59,239
Speaker 3: There was a question of Christ having a creation point.

1332
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,640
Christ's not having a creation point. So it doesn't matter

1333
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,720
what time frame that I started. You don't have to say, yeah,

1334
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,199
shut your mouth. You don't have to talk during my time.

1335
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,279
I didn't talk during your time. There's only one professional here.

1336
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 1: So now it doesn't matter what year. This whole debate.

1337
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,520
Speaker 3: When he went over the time, you gave him extra seconds.

1338
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,479
Even even when I folk you said, hey, cap, let's

1339
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:27,920
let him.

1340
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: End this plane.

1341
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:31,359
Speaker 7: Let you do it as well.

1342
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,520
Speaker 1: To say something to let you let me do it.

1343
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:40,439
So now you the bitch. Now we're calling each other bitches.

1344
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,039
Speaker 5: You the bitch, I said, you're whining and bitching.

1345
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: You're wine.

1346
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,239
Speaker 3: You're a bitch though, like you're the one that's unprofessional

1347
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,600
closing as I was closing out ready. It doesn't matter

1348
01:11:53,159 --> 01:11:57,840
what year I use. The point is who they call

1349
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:03,840
the church fathers did not agree on everything. That's a fact.

1350
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And I've gained sources that's closer to his timeline.

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01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go into the first source.

1352
01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: How long does he get the hot? See when is

1353
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,359
it my turn for the hot stop a bit about

1354
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my time.

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01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 7: Remember he did you did you?

1356
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,399
Speaker 6: We started with you doing the interrogation, but you said

1357
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you didn't need long and you stopped your interrogation very much.

1358
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 3: That was how long I didn't I'm just asking how

1359
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:29,239
long you had to stop. Asking how long does not

1360
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:30,359
mean I wanted to stop.

1361
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to.

1362
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Speaker 7: Get okay, okay, well he got one minute right now?

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Speaker 5: Are you able to pull up anything? Because he referenced

1364
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the text, that's important you asking me that, No, Cooley,

1365
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are you able to.

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Speaker 1: Pull up anything?

1367
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Speaker 7: Or is that I can pull up some stuff for sure?

1368
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Speaker 5: Okay, So this link that I put in the private

1369
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chat there he mentioned against Praxius. All right, okay, so

1370
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you'll look at chapter two. You pull up that page

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and you scroll down to chapter two. He gave the

1372
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impression that Tertullian was teaching the Aryan view, which is

1373
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:07,159
a misquotation, because Sertolian teaches what is that in chapter two?

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Speaker 1: Can you see that? What's the title of chapter two?

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Speaker 7: Rather, now go ahead and pull it up.

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Speaker 5: See I've actually read these books. He read these books.

1377
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Chapter two says in against Praxius, scroll down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just read this.

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Speaker 5: Title, chapter two, the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity and Unity,

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sometimes called the Divine economy or the dispensation of the

1381
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personal relations of the Godhead. So notice this is one

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01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,399
fifty a D which he tried to misquote as a

1383
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reference to Arianism. He doesn't even know that this book

1384
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is a reputation of the Modalist position, which is his

1385
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,359
Unitarian position. And he calls Praxius, the Modalist who believes

1386
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that there's only one person in the Godhead, a heretic.

1387
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The very book that this idiot is siding from is

1388
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a defense of the Trinity, the Catholic Doctor of the

1389
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Trinity in one fifty a D, which is what he cited. Uh,

1390
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so this actually refutes everything that he was argued that

1391
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he doesn't even know the sources.

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Speaker 6: All right, Jane, that's your time and cap. If you

1393
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,319
need me to pull up anything, I will.

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Speaker 3: There's there's a saying I rarely shout this man out,

1395
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,079
but Godfield said, you die on your source. I didn't

1396
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bring this up to say whether they believed in trinity or.

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Speaker 1: Not, but I brought it up for that again.

1398
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Speaker 3: The dumb the dumb ass is talking while I'm talking,

1399
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and again moderated, you are.

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01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: Supposed to shut your fuck cap because you ain't saying nothing.

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01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 5: The two times he interrupted, I have not interrupted him,

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,479
so I can tell him to shut the fuck up.

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Speaker 7: That's what I got you, cap. I'm just running the

1404
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,239
time I paused it. But go ahead continue.

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 3: On your source. This wasn't about the trinity. This is

1406
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,319
about the divinity of Christ. So when it says there

1407
01:14:52,399 --> 01:14:54,760
was a time when the sun was not and then

1408
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,239
he mentioned arianism, which lets you know that there was

1409
01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:02,840
a set of people that did not believe that.

1410
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 1: Jesus was divine.

1411
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 3: They believed that he was the physical son of God

1412
01:15:07,039 --> 01:15:11,279
that became divine when he ascended. So now that's another

1413
01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:15,119
agree of disagreement, which is my point. But you would

1414
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:19,960
not see the apostles disagreeing like that, but you will

1415
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:23,880
see them disagreeing like that. So you had some of

1416
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,840
the church father that said Christ had a creation point yes,

1417
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:27,920
something that said he did not.

1418
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:29,159
Speaker 1: That's what I said.

1419
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 3: I didn't say whether they believed he was God, whether

1420
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,600
they believed in the trinity. My argument was only that

1421
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,600
they disagreed on if Christ was created or not.

1422
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:41,159
Speaker 1: So your source does not help you.

1423
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 3: It hurts you because it shows how stupid you are

1424
01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:45,880
because I was not talking about trinity.

1425
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: We can talk about it if you want.

1426
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 5: I'm done, all right, Yeah, but again, this is a

1427
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:55,600
fundamentally stupid person. I specifically said that it was ironic

1428
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,359
that you brought this up because it's a document written

1429
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:03,479
against both errors of the Paul of Samasada view of

1430
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:04,119
that Christ is.

1431
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: A mere creature.

1432
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,239
Speaker 5: This is before Arianism, it's what would become Arianism, and

1433
01:16:08,359 --> 01:16:12,439
he's mainly focused on Praxius and his Sibelianism.

1434
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: So it shows that the trinity.

1435
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 5: Doctrine was bought right here in chapter two, clear as day.

1436
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:21,720
He doesn't teach that Son is a mere creature. If

1437
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,479
he teaches the trinity, you idiot, that's the whole point

1438
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,159
of chapter two. So you're a blasphemer and a dumb

1439
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,239
person who can't understand grammar and doesn't even know the

1440
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:33,079
writings that he's sourcing. So when you read this writing,

1441
01:16:33,159 --> 01:16:37,079
this is an early early reference to the multiplicity in

1442
01:16:37,119 --> 01:16:39,560
the Godhead and the unity of the Godhead. That's a

1443
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,439
reputation of both the Aryan or what would become the

1444
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,319
arian position and the Sibelian position.

1445
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:46,560
Speaker 1: That's what I said.

1446
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 5: You haven't actually read this, because Tartulian consistently defends the

1447
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:51,720
deity of the person of Christ.

1448
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,079
Speaker 1: When the church fathers not, heretics.

1449
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 6: Not the time time you can finish the last sentence,

1450
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:58,880
I'll do the same thing for Ketty.

1451
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,279
Speaker 5: They speak of Christ human nature being created. That's his

1452
01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:05,199
human nature, not his divine person of it to both,

1453
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:07,880
and like Romans one says, all right.

1454
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: So the more we talk, I want everybody to pay attention.

1455
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 3: Remember my argument was that the church Father didn't agree.

1456
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,399
And the more we talk, the more he because he

1457
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,840
wanted to make it seem like he reads everything. The

1458
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,399
more he tells, y'all, more people that didn't agree, more

1459
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,880
people that didn't get along, more people that disagreed on

1460
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,640
the divinity of Christ that come, which was my point.

1461
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,960
But in the Bible, Paul says he's the son of

1462
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,000
the most High. Peter says he's the son of the

1463
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,399
most High. The demons say he's the son of the

1464
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,479
most High. Christ says he has a god in the Bible.

1465
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,039
So I would never believe the church fathers. Christ said,

1466
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,359
I go to my God and your God. I go

1467
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,760
to my father and your father so how can Christ

1468
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,319
be God if he got a God.

1469
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: That he's going to?

1470
01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 3: Christ in John seventeen and three says that they might

1471
01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:00,000
know the one True God, the Father, and the Son

1472
01:18:00,079 --> 01:18:04,439
on whom he sent. So the superiority is the Bible.

1473
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,800
The church fathers is ass They are trash, They are

1474
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,079
nothing because they Blaspheme every time. They make Jesus the

1475
01:18:13,159 --> 01:18:15,960
most I got you good?

1476
01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:17,359
Speaker 7: Want to finish your sentence? Gradman?

1477
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,399
Speaker 1: Oh no, that was good, right there, You're good?

1478
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:20,199
Speaker 7: Okay, Jay?

1479
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1480
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 5: I think he thinks that yelling and acting like a

1481
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,239
preacher is the same thing as a debate, and so

1482
01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:29,720
he doesn't understand internal critiques. He doesn't understand when I'm

1483
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,760
showing his position to be inconsistent from his own dum argumentation.

1484
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,640
So again, as I said, when I asked him earlier,

1485
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,399
which he blew past, he never even attempted a response.

1486
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,640
I specifically said to him, we don't know the pedigree

1487
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,000
of who Matthew was to the Gospel of Matthew.

1488
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: And I can.

1489
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,119
Speaker 5: Undercut this whole thing to point out that, guess what,

1490
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:51,399
the church Father is the one that put the Bible together.

1491
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,920
The canon of scripture that you have comes from the

1492
01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:56,800
oral tradition that he referred to of the Church Fathers,

1493
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,279
together with the liturgical practice of the electionary in the

1494
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:03,880
early Apostolic sees. There's no way to actually know that

1495
01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:07,319
Paul wrote Paul's Epistles to Paul the Apostle, or that

1496
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,640
Matthew the Disciple wrote the Gospel Matthew apart from the

1497
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,560
patristic church father tradition. Even prodestant scholars m. F. F.

1498
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,680
Bruce or Lee McDonald, I'll admit that that you have

1499
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,800
to have this oral tradition that comes from the Church

1500
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,640
Fathers and the Apostolic succession in the important bishoprics and sees.

1501
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,640
And so I asked him again, how do you know

1502
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,640
that you have the right canon of scripture? Given that

1503
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,520
Church fathers put it the Bible together?

1504
01:19:32,359 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1505
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,399
Speaker 3: One thing, we find it out, It don't matter if

1506
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,880
we know it. Don't know who put the Bible together.

1507
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:42,640
What we do know is that and this is a dumbass.

1508
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,960
That's a dumbass, right then, that what we do know,

1509
01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:48,960
it don't matter. The Church Fathers don't understand it Bible

1510
01:19:49,079 --> 01:19:51,880
that we do know. And Daniel seven and nine it

1511
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,159
says I be held to the thrones with cast down

1512
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:55,199
in an Ancient of Days?

1513
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:56,319
Speaker 1: Did sit no answer?

1514
01:19:57,159 --> 01:20:00,359
Speaker 3: Whose garment was white as snow? Then it said in

1515
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,399
verse thirteen, the Son of Man is coming to the

1516
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:05,680
Ancient of Days.

1517
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: So when they.

1518
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 3: Say that Jesus is God or Jesus is the most high,

1519
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,720
if the Ancient of Days is the most time and

1520
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,239
the Son of Man is being presented, there is no

1521
01:20:16,399 --> 01:20:18,279
verse that caused Christ the Ancient of Days.

1522
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:25,279
Speaker 1: So that means that there's a time. Again. Look at

1523
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:29,520
the asked question. Look at that I got you jack response.

1524
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,840
He did not ask asking any questions. I'm not asking

1525
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:33,840
him no question.

1526
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,399
Speaker 7: You just asked me real quick, fellas fellas fellas, I

1527
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:41,640
got you, ja ja, I got you.

1528
01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:44,199
Speaker 6: Just let him because it's still being timed. Once we

1529
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:46,399
get to the time, Jay, go ahead and do your thing.

1530
01:20:46,399 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: Because in the world he could not handle the time.

1531
01:20:50,319 --> 01:20:55,399
Speaker 7: He three times and it was it was question handling.

1532
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 6: So cap cap, real quick. He did ask a question,

1533
01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:01,279
You did not answer the question. So he was looking

1534
01:21:01,319 --> 01:21:03,760
for the answer to the question within the one minute time.

1535
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 7: But it's fine.

1536
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,199
Speaker 6: What we can do is cap, I'm gonna go ahead

1537
01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:10,279
and give the Florida you so you can finish responding

1538
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:12,520
and then after that, let's open it up, because I

1539
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,600
do think that the audience wants to hear the back

1540
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,119
and forth and wants to hear both of you ask

1541
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:21,479
one another questions and actually answer the question. So kat

1542
01:21:22,079 --> 01:21:25,039
you got You actually had only ten seconds left, but

1543
01:21:25,039 --> 01:21:26,439
I'll give you an extra thirty seconds.

1544
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:30,239
Speaker 1: Do your thing, bro, I appreciate it man that time.

1545
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 5: So if the Ancient of days is there before the

1546
01:21:33,079 --> 01:21:36,720
Son of Man, then that means the Ancient of days existed.

1547
01:21:36,279 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 1: Outside of the Son of Man. So Jesus can't be

1548
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:39,319
that god.

1549
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,279
Speaker 3: If in Revelations the fifth chapter we see that same

1550
01:21:42,359 --> 01:21:44,920
most time sitting in the throne, and then the lamb

1551
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,000
who's from the tribe of Judeah being presented before that throne,

1552
01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:50,760
he can't be that guy. And Revelation is the third

1553
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,960
chapter and the twelfth verse. This is what Christ said,

1554
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,880
and I landed right here. I might go a little

1555
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,000
bit past the time him that overcome it. Will I

1556
01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:00,880
make a pillow in the temple of my God Jesus talking,

1557
01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:03,079
and he shall go no more out. And I will

1558
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:05,399
write upon the name of my God, in the name

1559
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,159
of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem.

1560
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: Which come down out of heaven from my God.

1561
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,279
Speaker 3: And that one verse Christ said he had a God

1562
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:15,359
full time, so he cannot be that God if he

1563
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:16,279
has that God.

1564
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 6: All right, got it, time and cap I gave you

1565
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:25,199
an extra twenty minutes there, But totally cool, man, Jay,

1566
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:27,079
I was aid twenty seconds.

1567
01:22:27,119 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 7: I mean, j floor is yours.

1568
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,399
Speaker 6: I know you wanted to ask him some questions and

1569
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,279
get some answers to the questions that you ask the

1570
01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:32,680
go ahead.

1571
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Well, it would have been a good idea

1572
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:36,640
maybe to look into the Orthodox doctrine of the Trinity,

1573
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,399
if you wanted to come to debate that, because you

1574
01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:41,159
would know that we teach monarchical trinitarianism, which is the

1575
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,640
teaching that the Father is the one true God, the

1576
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,760
source fount and arcade. However, the word God, I know

1577
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,840
you have a really hard time with grammar and words.

1578
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:51,960
They seem to really trip you up. But the word

1579
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,159
God is a general term, just like the word nation

1580
01:22:54,319 --> 01:22:56,880
is a general term. It can be proper or it

1581
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:00,000
can be nonproper. I know that's really hard for you.

1582
01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:02,319
But in the same way, the word God can pick

1583
01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:04,680
out the person of the Father, it can pick out

1584
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,239
the divine nature that the Son and the Spirit share

1585
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,119
and it can pick out divine operations and energies. So

1586
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:13,560
that's monarchical trinitarianism. And all of your questions don't even

1587
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,479
deal with that, because we believe that Daniel nine, Daniel seven,

1588
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,439
all of these passages teach monarchical trinitarianism. Now again, I

1589
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,279
asked you multiple times, how do you know that you

1590
01:23:22,279 --> 01:23:23,079
have the right Bible?

1591
01:23:23,159 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 1: Given that you said the church fathers are garbage? Can

1592
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:27,000
you repeat the question please?

1593
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 5: You said the church fathers are all dumb and garbage.

1594
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,079
But the Church fathers have the oral tradition that lets

1595
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:34,359
us know the authors of the Gospels, the authors of

1596
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:37,560
the epistles, and they put the Bible together centuries after

1597
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,119
the time of Christ's apostles.

1598
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: And you want to know, why do I call them dumb?

1599
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,039
Is that the question? No?

1600
01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:45,520
Speaker 5: Do you want me to ask the question for the

1601
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,039
fourth time? How do you know you have the right

1602
01:23:48,079 --> 01:23:48,960
biblical canon?

1603
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh? Thank you, because the Church.

1604
01:23:52,039 --> 01:23:54,520
Speaker 3: Actually I know I have the right biblical canon because

1605
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,720
the Church fathers don't know it, and I do. That's

1606
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,119
how I know, because when I look at what the

1607
01:24:00,199 --> 01:24:03,439
Church fathers are saying. When the Church fathers are saying

1608
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,439
that there's a trinity in the Bible. But when I

1609
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,520
read the Bible, I don't see trinity. I know that

1610
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,800
the church fathers don't know what they're saying, and I

1611
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,640
know that the Lord will put his spirit, just like

1612
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:15,439
he put his spirit.

1613
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,560
Speaker 1: He put his spirit on Judas to do his job.

1614
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,479
He put his spirit on Saul and do his job.

1615
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 3: So having people maintain the records does not mean that

1616
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,479
you understand it. In the Book of Amos, the third

1617
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,439
chapter says he reveal it nothing except to his prophets.

1618
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,039
So having the Bible in our hand, you know what

1619
01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:37,039
they created. They created a white image of Jesus. Even

1620
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:39,800
though the image that they have of Jesus does not matter.

1621
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,000
So just because they have the records and they portray

1622
01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:45,319
and they give us something does not mean that it

1623
01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:49,039
matches biblically. That's why Paul said, let God be true

1624
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:52,640
and every man a liar. So the Orthodox Church are

1625
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,520
dumb and their liars because nothing they teach can be

1626
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,279
substantiated in the Bible.

1627
01:24:58,560 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: This Jesus, this Trinity.

1628
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 3: There's even not even a verse that says trinity, not

1629
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:05,479
even a verse that he said trinity in the Bible.

1630
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,039
Speaker 5: But that's what the church fathers believe. Okay, I have

1631
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:10,520
a question. Is there a verse that says what the

1632
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:11,119
Bible is?

1633
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,079
Speaker 1: The Bible is? I'll use the verse Romans fifteen. What

1634
01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:18,520
what is in the Bible? What? What? Where's the verse

1635
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:19,600
that tells you Bible?

1636
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's a verse that tells you

1637
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,479
what I would what I would say, I would use.

1638
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:31,239
Speaker 3: I would use probably Torah because it means law or instructions.

1639
01:25:31,279 --> 01:25:34,359
And like Paul said in Romans fifteen and four, whatsoever

1640
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,640
was written before time was written for our learning that

1641
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,680
do pass and comfort of the scriptures, we might have hope,

1642
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,760
but that understanding. Even Christ said, I'm glad that he

1643
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,000
kept this from the wise and prudent and gave it

1644
01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:47,760
unto babes.

1645
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,399
Speaker 1: Why did that matter? Because even the Pharisees during Christ's time,

1646
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:52,520
I didn't understand it.

1647
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 3: Even Peter, when Peter was speaking, and they saw the

1648
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,520
boldness of Peter, they knew that he rolled with Christ.

1649
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: And whether they call them, whether they call them question.

1650
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:07,239
Speaker 5: They called them unlearned men, though they would call up

1651
01:26:07,319 --> 01:26:09,840
that's not unlearned, that's in the Bible. Even though they

1652
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,039
even though they would call unlearned men they had, They

1653
01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:16,039
had twice with him.

1654
01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:18,399
Speaker 1: They had the power to heal, they had the power

1655
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:19,439
to take life.

1656
01:26:21,159 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 3: Even though they were called this is not an answer

1657
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,760
to the church fathers are dumb and you're dumb.

1658
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: We know you think that you're dumb. That's why you

1659
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:31,199
didn't answered.

1660
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 5: That's why you wanda respond, and that's why you can't

1661
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:35,880
answer a dumb person's question.

1662
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,119
Speaker 3: Answered the question. You said, how they keep your record?

1663
01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:42,439
And I asked it, I answered it. I have a

1664
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,479
question you didn't like to answer. Can you restate what

1665
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:49,439
my argument was about the canon? Your argument was, how

1666
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,760
can the Orthodox be dumb when they the ones that

1667
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:57,720
retain and restore the cannon gave identity to like Matthew, Mark,

1668
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,880
Luke and John because they didn't have an offer.

1669
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,359
Speaker 1: So how do I know that the canon that I read?

1670
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 3: Is?

1671
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 1: What is your answer?

1672
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 3: And I and my answer was them not them teaching

1673
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,399
what they teach, and then me reading the Bible lets

1674
01:27:11,399 --> 01:27:13,000
me know that the Bible is true.

1675
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: That was my answer. And then you chuckled at it because.

1676
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,279
Speaker 5: You said, how you know you have the right Bible

1677
01:27:19,279 --> 01:27:20,720
because y'all don't teach it?

1678
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,159
Speaker 1: Right? I just answered that, and then you laugh like

1679
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:27,800
you laughing now. And then I went into the how

1680
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,199
do you know?

1681
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 5: How do I know you don't have the wrong Bible?

1682
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,159
Speaker 1: And the first and the first thing I said, well,

1683
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:36,159
how do you know that you don't have the right Bible? No?

1684
01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:37,840
I know that I have the right Bible?

1685
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 3: How because okay, here's a more maybe you'll understand this,

1686
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:44,079
And you go, I'm about to tell you so when

1687
01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:46,760
you go into the Hebrew or Greek that it was

1688
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,039
originally written.

1689
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: They don't know those likes and compare it. And you

1690
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,560
speak Hebrew. I didn't blame you. You did, but speak

1691
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:59,199
speak Hebrew. I don't claim to. So why did you

1692
01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:01,880
say I don't know the language? If you're dumb ass,

1693
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,359
I don't know stupid, don't know English. I would have

1694
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:06,680
been impressed. If you don't know English grammar, I would

1695
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,680
have spoke. I would have been impressed. Because you don't

1696
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:09,520
know Hebrew.

1697
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:16,359
Speaker 3: Even I can say Shammai, yes God, I just gave

1698
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:19,479
you credle here o Israel the Lord. I don't speak

1699
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,640
even I just speak just on your dumb ass. That's

1700
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,279
how you know you's a dumb ass nigga, that's a man,

1701
01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:27,520
because you can't even speak the language that you tell

1702
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:31,000
me I can't speak when I say to the language,

1703
01:28:31,119 --> 01:28:31,520
and then you.

1704
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Respond by saying you don't. You don't know the language.

1705
01:28:34,199 --> 01:28:37,680
You can't even speak. You're you asked me a question, man,

1706
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,960
you can't even know yourself. Why do I have to

1707
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,479
be I didn't claim as I was answering your question if.

1708
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 5: You don't think these languages because you don't know basic

1709
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:52,560
English grammar, listen, so as I was saying, when you Greek,

1710
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,720
when you go English in the original language that it was.

1711
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,119
Speaker 1: Written in, do you know the language language to you

1712
01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:02,159
know them? I don't believe you English. You can compare

1713
01:29:02,199 --> 01:29:02,880
and say, okay, I.

1714
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,079
Speaker 5: Don't believe those languages which don't.

1715
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 1: Go to that word.

1716
01:29:06,399 --> 01:29:08,359
Speaker 7: Fell's let one another plan.

1717
01:29:09,039 --> 01:29:10,159
Speaker 1: I just spoke Hebrew.

1718
01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 5: You literally think that I spoke Hebrew by reciting and

1719
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,399
memory I couldn't speak it.

1720
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Then that means that I had to go somewhere too long,

1721
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,159
They had to go somewhere to read. The dumbest person

1722
01:29:21,159 --> 01:29:23,800
of that, I can't you can't believe this, dum last

1723
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:24,199
Nigga is.

1724
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:27,520
Speaker 5: Saying, is it man, you are not a student?

1725
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,279
Speaker 1: You don't know those language? Hey? Cool?

1726
01:29:29,359 --> 01:29:29,560
Speaker 8: Hello?

1727
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 1: He lo before because you don't actually know those speak Hebrew.

1728
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:37,640
Agree you know how I know? I didn't claim to

1729
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,840
But you said I just claim to either. Yes you did. No,

1730
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,520
I did not. I said, when you go No, I

1731
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,239
did not. I said, when you go to the language.

1732
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:48,520
What I said was.

1733
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 3: When you you don't know language, I said, when you

1734
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,439
go to the knows that it was really written. And

1735
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,720
you compare the Hebrew English, you don't know how you

1736
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:58,279
compare it.

1737
01:29:58,359 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 1: You don't know the languages.

1738
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,319
Speaker 3: You how you learn it? To me, how you compare

1739
01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:03,760
it is you would have to learn it.

1740
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: You don't know.

1741
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:08,199
Speaker 3: So they have Hebrew anybody can get, and they got

1742
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:10,800
Hebrew for dummies that you can learn.

1743
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: There's ways that you can learn the language. You ain't

1744
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,680
done it, though I did. Hey can you show what

1745
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,279
you learned in Hebrew and Greek? Can you show it?

1746
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,319
I didn't claim to know, you show you.

1747
01:30:22,119 --> 01:30:24,319
Speaker 5: I never claimed it. I said, if you go look

1748
01:30:24,319 --> 01:30:27,319
at I don't know you did like that. I don't

1749
01:30:27,319 --> 01:30:30,159
know Spanish, like concs. Somebody give me something to Spanish

1750
01:30:30,319 --> 01:30:32,520
and I'm gonna go compare it to the English and

1751
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,359
back and forth and make a comparative.

1752
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,159
Speaker 1: Hebrews said you don't have so right now.

1753
01:30:38,079 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 3: If I have Amos in front of me and this

1754
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:44,119
is all the lower stuff, if you go eastward.

1755
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:44,239
Speaker 4: You.

1756
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,239
Speaker 6: Fellas, I let that rock he cap, Cap, that's cool.

1757
01:30:49,279 --> 01:30:52,039
Let's let's get into because we've been doing this debate

1758
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:53,920
now for an hour and a half. It just hit

1759
01:30:54,359 --> 01:30:56,079
an hour and a half march, So I'll leave it

1760
01:30:56,119 --> 01:30:58,640
open to you guys. What do you guys want? Do

1761
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,600
you guys want to get into another topic we were

1762
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:02,479
just going over?

1763
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 7: Is Christ the most high God?

1764
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 4: Uh?

1765
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 7: Do you guys want to get into something else?

1766
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 6: Or do you want to do closing statements like how

1767
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:11,960
much time do you guys have?

1768
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: Let's close savings and super jets. We don't want to do.

1769
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 6: Okay, you want to close it? That's cool, that's because

1770
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:18,880
that's that's right on time.

1771
01:31:19,039 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 3: That's the cow which said that. I didn't say that.

1772
01:31:21,039 --> 01:31:24,199
I just want to know the coward is running cap.

1773
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 7: What do Cap?

1774
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,239
Speaker 1: What do you want the Virgin?

1775
01:31:28,119 --> 01:31:31,520
Speaker 3: Did Christ have a father? It was Joseph, the biological father.

1776
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:32,840
But this niggas running from it?

1777
01:31:33,279 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 7: Okay, that's Cap. You want that Jay? You want to Jay?

1778
01:31:36,039 --> 01:31:37,359
You want to spend ten minutes on this.

1779
01:31:39,159 --> 01:31:39,279
Speaker 4: Jay?

1780
01:31:39,359 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 7: You want to do ten minutes on it or.

1781
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm the man that's shooting you.

1782
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,159
Speaker 5: I don't want to do no more as Nigga.

1783
01:31:48,199 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 3: You are in a bitch Nigga University. That's what you are, Jay,

1784
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:53,199
Nigga University.

1785
01:31:55,800 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 7: All right, a Fellas Fellas Fellas running a bit Fellas Fellas.

1786
01:32:01,159 --> 01:32:03,000
Let me go ahead and just I'm gonnamute both y'all.

1787
01:32:03,039 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 6: We're gonna do closing statements and I'm going to mute

1788
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,920
the person during the closing statement. You both have four

1789
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,359
minute closing statements. Right after the four minutes of closing statements. Uh,

1790
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:17,279
we are going to get into uh super chats. It's

1791
01:32:17,319 --> 01:32:19,199
so many of them, but I'll try to go ahead

1792
01:32:19,239 --> 01:32:23,239
and read you know, the higher amounts.

1793
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,399
Speaker 7: Uh so, Yeah, that's what we're gonna do.

1794
01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 6: Uh so Yeah, And then if you guys want, I mean,

1795
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,680
I like to open it up to open panel, have

1796
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,039
you know, have people come on and maybe ask a question.

1797
01:32:33,119 --> 01:32:34,880
But who knows if you don't have time for that, Jay,

1798
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,119
totally fine. I know you're a busy man. You're on

1799
01:32:37,159 --> 01:32:40,000
a generational run, torn around and stuff and cap I

1800
01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:42,560
know you've got a busy life as well. So uh

1801
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:47,720
since Jay, open first. Cat, you are gonna close first,

1802
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,920
and Jay is gonna close last. So cap once I

1803
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,840
take you off mute, and once you start speaking, that's

1804
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:56,600
when I'm going to start my timer.

1805
01:32:57,439 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 7: I'm going to keep j muted.

1806
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:03,199
Speaker 6: He cannot interrupt you at all during your closing, So

1807
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,600
say whatever you want. Kat, You're unmuted, and your time

1808
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:08,920
starts once you start speaking.

1809
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: Man, you should have done that. Shit, this whole debate.

1810
01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:13,720
I don't know if I can hear that, but we're

1811
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,239
gonna get him the fuck out of here.

1812
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 5: And when you see that scary movie with Marlin Wayans,

1813
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,720
he was like, run, bitch, run, that's Jay.

1814
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,399
Speaker 1: Jay's the bitch of this debate. Let that be for

1815
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:25,000
the record.

1816
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:28,560
Speaker 3: So, as I knew this debate would go, I had

1817
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,880
never really heard of Jay Dye, and somebody reminded me

1818
01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:36,000
that actually we debated, and I wasn't aware of it.

1819
01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 1: So they send me the video, and in that video, he.

1820
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 3: Was trying to tell me that the word Jewish was

1821
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,439
in the Old Testament, but when you went to the word,

1822
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,680
it wasn't Jewish, it was a different word. And then

1823
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,039
I realized I was dealing with an ignorant bastard so

1824
01:33:48,079 --> 01:33:49,800
I knew it was going to come a time where

1825
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,279
he would be to me have a no decorum, He

1826
01:33:52,319 --> 01:33:54,760
would interrupt, he would be rude, and he would be

1827
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:57,399
name caller, And so I knew at a point I

1828
01:33:57,399 --> 01:33:59,039
would have to do the same thing back. But I

1829
01:33:59,079 --> 01:34:00,880
did not want to do that. I did not want

1830
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,079
to have the type of debate where we got to

1831
01:34:03,119 --> 01:34:05,560
do the name calling and ad homs and all that stuff.

1832
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,520
At some point we have to be grown men to

1833
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,279
do something better. But if he wants to be a

1834
01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:12,439
trash or white man, trashed, and I'll join a minute

1835
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,640
and just show how he's in the bitch nigga university.

1836
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,520
But this is very easy. None of the church follows

1837
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,680
fully agreed. That's why they had the counselors, and then

1838
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,600
at the end of the councilors when they would finally

1839
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:25,199
agree and establish what they believe is their orthodox Christianity.

1840
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,199
But when you go into the Bible, that orthodox Christianity

1841
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:29,640
does not line up in the Bible.

1842
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,119
Speaker 1: And this back and forth, he did not show any.

1843
01:34:32,119 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 3: Nation by name that received the adoption, the Covenant or

1844
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,199
the promises. He did not have an answer when I

1845
01:34:38,199 --> 01:34:40,319
read Hebrews eight and eight in a New Testament when

1846
01:34:40,359 --> 01:34:42,039
it says I would make a New Testament, excuse me,

1847
01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:44,520
new covenant with the House of Israel, with the House

1848
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,680
of Judah. He did the normal minutia that Christians do

1849
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,520
where they bring up the word Greek, they bring up

1850
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:53,479
the word gentile when gentile just means gentile in the

1851
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,680
New Testament, is goyam. I'm sorry, Ethnos in the New Testament,

1852
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,359
is goyam in the Old Testament, and anybody they can

1853
01:35:00,399 --> 01:35:02,800
be an fnos or goam. So you have to look

1854
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,119
at the context. So clearly our established who the Gentiles was.

1855
01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:09,720
Then on the subject of Jesus being God and Jesus

1856
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:12,439
being the most tied God specifically, he did not have

1857
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:13,079
no answer.

1858
01:35:13,279 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: But if we read the Bible, Jesus says he has

1859
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:16,920
a God.

1860
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,399
Speaker 3: Jesus said, He's going to give you the name of

1861
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,600
his God, the temple of his God, the city of

1862
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,359
his God. So if Jesus has no problem acknowledging the

1863
01:35:25,399 --> 01:35:28,159
God that he has, then we should not be trying

1864
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:31,439
to put Jesus on the level of that God because

1865
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,319
it's disrespectful to him, especially when we could read in

1866
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:36,960
the Bible where God made Moses of God in Exodus

1867
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,359
the seventh chapter in Psalms eighty two and six, and

1868
01:35:39,399 --> 01:35:40,359
it says, ye are God.

1869
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Speaker 1: So the title of God is never what I'm arguing.

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Speaker 3: What I'm arguing is when people make Jesus the most

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tied God, because if the Ancient of days existed when

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nothing else existed, then that means that there was a

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01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:56,399
time when the sun was not which is what Totillian

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01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,279
quoted from whoever he got it from, who cares. So

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I just wanted to point that out. This was this

1876
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,720
was spirited. I gave my audience something that they could enjoy.

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01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,840
We knew how cool he was gonna be. We knew

1878
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,640
Cooley would be biased. That's my listen, COOLi giving that

1879
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,159
little face. But Cooly, you know, Coolly is COOLi Now

1880
01:36:13,279 --> 01:36:16,119
I happen to like COOLi but and then I don't

1881
01:36:16,199 --> 01:36:18,479
like Cooly. I'll be liking cooling and I'm like, come on, COOLi.

1882
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,319
So Cooly was my audience, y'all give me a scale

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01:36:21,359 --> 01:36:23,399
of one to ten? How good cool he was a moderator?

1884
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Y'all? Let me know, But I need to hold four

1885
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:27,079
minutes out landed right there?

1886
01:36:29,359 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 6: All right, cap, all right, cap, This is not my debate.

1887
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:37,479
So I have no rebuttal it's not my debate, right,

1888
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:38,840
we have many debates before.

1889
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

1890
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:43,079
Speaker 6: We'll save that for another time, all right, Jake, give

1891
01:36:43,119 --> 01:36:47,439
me one second here, let me restart the timer, and

1892
01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:50,199
once you start speaking, let me take you off a

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01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:52,800
mute as well. Yeah, once you start speaking, I'll start.

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Speaker 1: I have a link there too, if you want to

1895
01:36:55,159 --> 01:36:56,319
pull that bottom.

1896
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 7: Link there up just for you want me to pull

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it up now.

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Speaker 5: If you get a chance, Yeah, I'll go into and

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then I'll go to when it goes out.

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Speaker 1: Refutes what he said.

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Speaker 5: Paul says in Romans one that he is an apostle

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called by Christ to confirm what was taught in the

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01:37:10,359 --> 01:37:12,119
prophets that came before.

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01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 1: That's the Old Testament prophets.

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01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 5: Concerning the son Jesus Christ, our Lord, who is born

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of the flesh according to the seed of David, that's

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his human nature, but was declared son of God according

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01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,520
to the spirit of Holiness. So to be a son

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01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,000
of God means that you have the nature of your father.

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Speaker 1: I have a son.

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Speaker 5: That means he's going to have my nature, human nature.

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So Jesus being of his human nature of the flesh.

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It's not a contradiction with him being also of his divinity,

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the son of his father, according to eternal generation, which

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is described in John chapter one. In fact, he asked

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01:37:49,039 --> 01:37:51,279
for proof of the deity of Christ. Well, it turns

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out there are every chald In other words, in every

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01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:55,880
chapter of the Book of John, there is a reference

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01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,760
either to the deity of Christ or to the Trinity.

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And I have a whole lecture through the entirety of

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the Gospel John on my channel for you going go

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check it out.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at that link, you'll see right.

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Speaker 5: There underneath that link there again this is an illiterate person.

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And so when we go to actual Hebrew Blue Letter

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Bible Strong's Dictionaries H. Three six four, which talks about

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the word yahudi or Yahudite, which is where we get

1928
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the word Jew, you will see that in Zechariah eight

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twenty three, Jeremiah forty three, Esther two, et cetera. There

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are multiple references there to the word Hudite, which is

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where we get the word Jew. Jesus says in John

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01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,079
for salvation is of the Jews, again refuting what this

1933
01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:38,800
person said, who's fundamentally illiterate, just like he didn't even

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understand the self own when he admitted in his talk

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that Moses is called a God. Yeah, that means that

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01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:48,479
the word God can refer to different things. That's exactly

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01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,840
what I argued. So Jesus having a God means that

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the Father is is God. That's monarchical trinitarianism. That's our position.

1939
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But that's also an explanation as to why there's so

1940
01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:03,880
many passages in the Old and New Testament referring to

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the Son as divine, the one who appeared to Moses,

1942
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the one who appeared to Hagar, who hegar saw God

1943
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,000
face to face. Well, Jesus says that no one sees

1944
01:39:14,039 --> 01:39:16,319
the Father. So who was the God that appeared in

1945
01:39:16,319 --> 01:39:18,960
the Old Testament and all those Theophanes? It has to

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01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,239
be the Son. And in fact, in John five through nine,

1947
01:39:21,399 --> 01:39:24,640
Jesus identifies himself as the Son of God, the God

1948
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that appeared in the Old Testament. That's why the Jews

1949
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:29,760
want to stone him. So this idiot doesn't even understand grammar,

1950
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,279
and that the word nation can refer to a proper

1951
01:39:32,359 --> 01:39:37,359
noun like Israel, a specific nation, or something general like

1952
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:38,840
the nations in general.

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Speaker 1: He goes back and forth with who.

1954
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:44,319
Speaker 5: Not understanding words and reference, much like the rest of

1955
01:39:44,319 --> 01:39:47,760
his cult, who thinks that terms like the word Jewish

1956
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,119
means kind of Jew, but the black Heber Israelites are

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01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:54,720
the real Jew. This is so fundamentally stupid that anyone

1958
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,359
would actually believe this. But that's like saying Kurdish means

1959
01:39:58,359 --> 01:40:00,359
that you're kind of curd but not real, or if

1960
01:40:00,399 --> 01:40:03,479
you're a kingfish, you're kind of a fish but not

1961
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,760
really a fish. These are people who don't know grammar,

1962
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:08,399
and so they're not actually going to be able to

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01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:11,840
execute the scriptures, much less the Church fathers, which are

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actually the people to put together the Bible that he uses.

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When I asked him that, he said there is doom.

1966
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Speaker 1: They garbage diy doom.

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01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 5: Without actually understanding that that means that you're getting your

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01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:24,159
book from garbage, dumb people.

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01:40:24,199 --> 01:40:26,119
Speaker 1: You idiot. That's all I have to say.

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01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 6: All right, thank you both for that, gentleman. So I've

1971
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,399
read a pole and the chat is asking me to

1972
01:40:33,399 --> 01:40:35,439
bring up the post. So the poe is simply, you know,

1973
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,119
who do you have winning the debate? We have a

1974
01:40:39,079 --> 01:40:41,199
Let me go ahead and end that poll right now,

1975
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:49,000
and let's see what we got looks like it is

1976
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:53,960
unanimous Jay Dyer one. We have one thousand, four hundred

1977
01:40:54,079 --> 01:40:58,279
votes in ninety two percent for Jay Dyer, eight percent

1978
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:01,840
for Cat. But you know, both of you are winners

1979
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:06,239
in my eyes. Thank both of you for coming on podcast.

1980
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,760
Thank both you gentlemen for joining the show tonight and

1981
01:41:12,119 --> 01:41:17,760
giving us all this wonderful debate. But let me get

1982
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:19,800
to some of these super chats real quick. It's too

1983
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,640
many of them, so I'm not going to be able

1984
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,560
to get to all of them. Actually, let me do

1985
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,079
it on my phone because it's probably be the best

1986
01:41:28,079 --> 01:41:30,279
way get the likes up to if you're supporting this.

1987
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,119
We got a lot of other one the one debates

1988
01:41:33,159 --> 01:41:36,119
on my channel me versus other people. And oh, I'm

1989
01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:39,000
sure i'll be having Captain Tuzariak back in Jay as well.

1990
01:41:39,359 --> 01:41:41,960
I'll be hosting them on my platform to debate others.

1991
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,960
So go ahead and subscribe to the YouTube channel if

1992
01:41:45,039 --> 01:41:46,079
you already aren't.

1993
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 7: And one second, let's pull up some of these super chats.

1994
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 6: All right, So I'm trying to get to the ones

1995
01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:00,319
that's over twenty. We got Rachel Wilson sending in twenty dollars.

1996
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:06,720
She says, this low IQ garbage is thinly veiled black supremacy.

1997
01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:10,760
And this guy dances because he thinks he won something

1998
01:42:11,079 --> 01:42:14,840
when his argument actually refuted his own position, but he

1999
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:20,840
doesn't even understand that. Mind boggling. Okay, thank you Rachel Wilson.

2000
01:42:21,399 --> 01:42:24,600
This was in regards to you, Kapya. You want to respond.

2001
01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, when people say we're black supremacists, it shows that

2002
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,119
they don't do a lot of research on us, because

2003
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:35,399
in America, we're about blacks, Latinos, and Native Indians. So

2004
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:41,039
we're Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Dominicans, Guatemalans, Haitians, Jamaicans with more

2005
01:42:41,079 --> 01:42:44,359
than just about what people think of just black people.

2006
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:45,600
Speaker 1: So I think.

2007
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 3: That white woman is extremely ignorant and unlearned when.

2008
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:52,199
Speaker 1: She says that.

2009
01:42:52,359 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 3: And I don't know where my position was defeated at

2010
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:59,880
any point. Biblically, I can't help with people's emotions, but biblically,

2011
01:43:00,359 --> 01:43:02,560
none of my positions were defeated.

2012
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 6: Hellena, fair enough, All right, we got Ortho Joe sending

2013
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,319
in fifty dollars. I appreciate the support, man, he says,

2014
01:43:10,359 --> 01:43:15,119
I'll be laughing at Jay the queen dive roast of

2015
01:43:15,279 --> 01:43:19,479
this guy forever. So here's a super chat as a

2016
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,680
thank you, all right, man, appreciate the support. Who else

2017
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:25,000
we got in here for the and I appreciate all

2018
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,039
the ones that's uh, you know, that's five dollars and

2019
01:43:28,079 --> 01:43:30,319
two dollars and stuff. I appreciate all of those, but

2020
01:43:30,359 --> 01:43:34,680
I'm only trying to read the bigger chats. Since we've

2021
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:36,840
been already over the time. I'll read some of the

2022
01:43:37,039 --> 01:43:40,239
ten dollars ones as well. Let's see here we got

2023
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:44,159
bb bb since then ten dollars. Not sure what currency

2024
01:43:44,159 --> 01:43:47,439
that is, but he says three k watching three hundred

2025
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:48,319
and thirty likes.

2026
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 7: Hit the like button and subscribe. No fool gayzy podcast

2027
01:43:53,079 --> 01:43:53,760
do that for me?

2028
01:43:54,079 --> 01:44:01,199
Speaker 6: No fool gayzy who gu we got? Hey d says

2029
01:44:01,319 --> 01:44:04,600
I'll pay Cap one hundred dollars to take an IQ

2030
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,880
test live. Okay, Cap, you want to respond to that?

2031
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 5: No, the Bible says if any man be ignorant, let

2032
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:13,840
him be ignorant. One hundred dollars would definitely not be

2033
01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:16,319
enough for me to play puppet for you.

2034
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm not a broken person.

2035
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 6: Fair enough, fair enough, we got BK finance says coolly

2036
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:27,359
shut shout out to you. Cap, can't debate, only preach

2037
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,000
false doctrine when a reply cap.

2038
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 3: No, well, I expect this from your audience, but nobody

2039
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,479
can refute what I said.

2040
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:38,039
Speaker 1: In the Bible. I mean, I'm, I'm. You know.

2041
01:44:38,079 --> 01:44:41,159
Speaker 3: People were so emotional because everybody want to believe God

2042
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:44,600
loves everybody. If Christ coming back to take crowns. Even

2043
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,039
in Jay's opening statement when he said the kings was

2044
01:44:47,079 --> 01:44:49,680
coming to present gifts, he didn't tell you the violence

2045
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:53,600
behind it. And Isaiah's sixtieth chapters says the kings shall

2046
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,960
be thy nursing fathers. So the kings that were once

2047
01:44:57,079 --> 01:44:59,760
ruling are now going to be the nursing fathers of

2048
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,359
the children of Israel. So how could that be for everybody?

2049
01:45:03,399 --> 01:45:05,840
There's gonna be one in the heavenly state, one in

2050
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:06,880
a punishing state.

2051
01:45:07,359 --> 01:45:09,359
Speaker 1: But the church, what have you believe?

2052
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 3: That this God loves everybody? And it's just not true.

2053
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,079
So I thought violence was bad. You said violence was bad.

2054
01:45:14,079 --> 01:45:16,520
I don't know why again, the bitch nigga. This is

2055
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,319
why you're in the bitch nigga university because.

2056
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 1: It's not to you.

2057
01:45:24,079 --> 01:45:26,199
Speaker 3: And the white man is the last person that should

2058
01:45:26,279 --> 01:45:30,159
ask for the viol already not I would have not

2059
01:45:30,279 --> 01:45:32,000
said anything if you could shin up.

2060
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,119
Speaker 1: That's all he asked. The question.

2061
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 3: Now he didn't want to talk about because the bitch ran.

2062
01:45:39,359 --> 01:45:40,920
But the bitch want to talk while.

2063
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,079
Speaker 1: I just can't.

2064
01:45:43,159 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 3: Let's talk about let's talk about the virgin birth. Let's

2065
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:49,039
talk about the virgin birth. Let's talk about the virgin

2066
01:45:49,039 --> 01:45:49,279
of birth.

2067
01:45:49,359 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 1: Violence. You got time to interrupt, and you got time

2068
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:52,920
to talk about the virgin birth.

2069
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 6: Right, Captain j Captain Jay Ja, let me get let me,

2070
01:45:58,039 --> 01:45:59,800
let me get to the next super let me get

2071
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:01,880
it an next super chest. And also, while I'm reading

2072
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:04,079
these super chests, they may be posed to one of you.

2073
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:06,680
If someone's gonna respond to it, I'll go ahead and

2074
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,840
allow you know, uh, Cat, it's okay if Jay responds

2075
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:11,039
as well to you.

2076
01:46:11,079 --> 01:46:12,279
Speaker 7: And if if.

2077
01:46:12,119 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 6: There's a super chest, yes, If no, If there's a

2078
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:18,439
super jet super chat directed towards Jay and he responds

2079
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:20,520
and you're not you don't like his response, you can

2080
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:22,359
go ahead and then make a rebuttal to what he's

2081
01:46:22,399 --> 01:46:25,720
saying as well. It's totally fine. It's still at debate currently, right,

2082
01:46:26,359 --> 01:46:28,800
Rachel Wilson. Again, she says, Hey, guys, I can speak

2083
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:35,920
Japanese watch a domo ari ghetto, mister Roboto, we speak

2084
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:44,560
Japanese and she fair enough, we got uh. Let's see here,

2085
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:49,680
we got yamaha. Since in uh some cash, he says,

2086
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:55,079
this cap can join the lot with Trump and Brian Shapiro.

2087
01:46:56,199 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 7: With T jumping. I think he meant Trump. Okay, T

2088
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:02,119
jumping grew up? Oh, T jump? Oh, who's T jump?

2089
01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:03,239
Speaker 5: Uh?

2090
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 1: One of the worst debates ever had.

2091
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:07,279
Speaker 6: Oh okay, okay, T jump Okay, So it's T jump

2092
01:47:07,279 --> 01:47:09,760
and Brian Shapiro. Okay, fair enough. Let me see what

2093
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:14,239
else we got in here? We got a let's see here.

2094
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:16,399
Speaker 7: Where we at.

2095
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:22,319
Speaker 6: Ten dollars from mL Ross says Jay, I'm the captain now, dire.

2096
01:47:23,079 --> 01:47:25,279
Speaker 7: Okay, all right, let me see what else we got

2097
01:47:25,279 --> 01:47:29,199
in here? Uh we got uh.

2098
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:34,920
Speaker 6: Te waha te woho. Okay, he says. Okay, we are

2099
01:47:35,039 --> 01:47:38,399
the sons of Adams, so we have all adams attributes,

2100
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:39,960
including a beginning.

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Speaker 7: Jesus is own.

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Speaker 6: Jesus is the only begotten of God, meaning Jesus has

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all God's attributes.

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Speaker 7: Including no beginning and no end.

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Speaker 6: Okay, fair enough, all right, let me see, Uh did

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01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:58,079
I miss anything we got with kid? He says, Hey, captain,

2107
01:47:58,159 --> 01:48:03,079
would you like some cheese with the wine? And okay,

2108
01:48:03,159 --> 01:48:06,319
let me read this again. Hey, cap, would you like

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01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:10,600
some cheese with the wine? You were having while your

2110
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:15,880
feelings were taking over because of being called a name? Okay,

2111
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:19,159
and you reply to that Cap, he's basically saying that

2112
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:22,319
you were you were wining. Okay, fair enough, right, let

2113
01:48:22,319 --> 01:48:26,079
me see what else we got in here. Uh, I'm

2114
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:28,399
trying to make sure we get to all of the

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01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:29,319
bigger ones.

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01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Pauls uh, you know, I gave up the Paul's game

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01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,479
was egregious for real?

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01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 7: We we got a uh emma emm a legion a man.

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Speaker 6: I can't even read that name, but it says Q

2121
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:47,720
for captain, is Jesus?

2122
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:48,159
Speaker 7: A question?

2123
01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 6: For Captain is Jesus angelic being that is Jesus angelic

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01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:55,039
being that was created?

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01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:58,039
Speaker 7: Or second person of God?

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Speaker 8: Had I would go with.

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01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 3: Kind of both of a meaning He's I wouldn't I

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01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:08,800
wouldn't know. I don't know if I would say angelic

2129
01:49:09,159 --> 01:49:12,800
because he's he outranks the angels, but his power is

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01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,920
greater than that as far as the god Head goes.

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01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:18,479
We're all supposed in collagens. We're all supposed to be

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01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,760
a part of that Godhead. So the head of every

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01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,920
woman is the man. The head of the man in Christ.

2134
01:49:23,239 --> 01:49:25,880
The head of Christ is God. That's the Godhead. So

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01:49:26,039 --> 01:49:29,159
Christ would be our head. Christ would be if you

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01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:31,960
go by rank, the Father of the Most High is

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01:49:32,039 --> 01:49:34,680
number one, Christ is number two, then you would have

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01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:38,399
the order after that. So that's how you actually look

2139
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:40,680
at it from a biblical standpoint.

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01:49:41,279 --> 01:49:43,319
Speaker 1: Can I respond, yep?

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01:49:44,079 --> 01:49:47,600
Speaker 5: In Hebrews one that says to the son, the Father

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01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,800
says your throne, O, God is forever and ever, a

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01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,439
sceptor of righteousness, is the scepter of your kingdom. The

2144
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:59,039
Father is referring to this son in this prophetic Psalm

2145
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:03,880
as God. So fundamentally, again we have a person who

2146
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:07,000
doesn't understand grammar and how words work. They don't always

2147
01:50:07,039 --> 01:50:10,399
have one reference. They can refer to multiple things. Ironically,

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01:50:11,039 --> 01:50:15,039
he even admitted this in his a closing statement, Can.

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Speaker 1: I say something of that when you read the next verse?

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When you read the next verse.

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01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 3: First of all, he was one of eight is a

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01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:24,079
quotation of Psalms the forty fifth chapter in reference to

2153
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:28,159
in reference to David's throne, which is also the throne

2154
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:31,079
of God. So you can read how Solomon sat on

2155
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:33,640
the throne of the Lord in First Chronicles twenty nine

2156
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:34,359
and twenty three.

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01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:37,399
Speaker 5: But when you read it, you, when you read the record,

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01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,079
you read the very next verse.

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01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:43,640
Speaker 3: It says thou hast loved righteousness and hated iniquity. Therefore God,

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01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:48,760
even thy God, hath anointed thee as I said earlier.

2161
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:53,479
Psalms eighty two says, ye are gods. Moses may excuse me.

2162
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,000
God made Moses of God. So the subject is not

2163
01:50:56,079 --> 01:50:59,479
about being called you making. The subject is about is

2164
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,319
Jesus the most high God?

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Speaker 1: When he is not? He has a god.

2166
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 5: Again, it's a both and the Father is the most

2167
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:12,840
high God, and he has the same nature as his son.

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Because Hebrews one eight is about Jesus. The argument in

2169
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,920
the chapter is that Jesus is above the angels because

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he created them.

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01:51:22,279 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 1: You cannot be a creature and not a creature.

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01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 5: If you are a divine person, you have to be

2173
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:31,760
the You have to be the same nature as the

2174
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,199
one that you came from. So it he came from

2175
01:51:33,239 --> 01:51:36,880
an eternal Father and he's not a creature, then he

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01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:37,399
is God.

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01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 1: You can't have half God.

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01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 3: Callias's one in fifteen says, who is the image of

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01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:46,600
the invisible God, the first born of every creature. There

2180
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,880
is no creation for the father, but there is a

2181
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:51,359
creation for the son.

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01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 5: John One describes that as an eternal begetting.

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01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:01,640
Speaker 3: He just said, is not created. It says the first

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01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:07,560
born of that one is arguing, is not. That's why

2185
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:12,319
he's the ancient born, is not. It doesn't say that

2186
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:15,000
this is the first born of.

2187
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:22,359
Speaker 5: It says that the born of the father, the father

2188
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:26,760
is not born, right of course not. Okay, Then if

2189
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:30,119
the father is, and that means there's a time when

2190
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:33,479
the when the son does not know the son, John

2191
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,000
want there was never a time when he was the

2192
01:52:36,079 --> 01:52:38,640
son had to be borne one elusive this son.

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01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:40,359
Speaker 1: It's just a.

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01:52:40,279 --> 01:52:42,640
Speaker 7: Simple question, ak Fellas.

2195
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:43,319
Speaker 1: That's a simple question.

2196
01:52:43,399 --> 01:52:47,159
Speaker 7: Okay, Fellas, Yeah, yep, Jay, go ahead, and answers question.

2197
01:52:47,159 --> 01:52:50,039
Speaker 1: Is did this did the son question? Dude?

2198
01:52:50,079 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 7: Captain you asked the question. Just let him answer it, okay.

2199
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,920
Speaker 5: And John One, we have in the entire chapter discussion

2200
01:52:57,119 --> 01:52:59,680
of what it means to be the firstborn, what it

2201
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:03,239
means to be the eternally begotten son. You cannot have

2202
01:53:03,359 --> 01:53:06,159
a time where you come to be if you are

2203
01:53:06,279 --> 01:53:09,720
forever in the bosom of the Father, eternally begotten.

2204
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 1: So when you read John one, is this got possessed?

2205
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,560
Like what is the son born?

2206
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:19,199
Speaker 5: If the son is born and the father is not born,

2207
01:53:19,279 --> 01:53:21,119
then there's a time when it was the father without

2208
01:53:21,119 --> 01:53:25,520
the son. Because get it and John one, it's an

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01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:27,720
eternal beginnest.

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01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't say you turn to beget it. It does

2211
01:53:30,279 --> 01:53:35,680
it does? Where? Where? Where? Because in John one and

2212
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,039
one that you reference, it says in the beginning, I'm

2213
01:53:38,039 --> 01:53:41,439
talking about after that. If you get later in the chapter, yeah,

2214
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:42,119
let me see.

2215
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:45,039
Speaker 3: Uh fourteen says in the Word was made flesh and

2216
01:53:45,079 --> 01:53:47,279
dwelt among us as we beheld the glory is the

2217
01:53:47,359 --> 01:53:51,880
only begotten of the Father for the grace right there right.

2218
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:55,560
Speaker 1: But always in the it says we beheld the glory.

2219
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,359
Speaker 5: It was always in the bosom of the Where does

2220
01:53:58,399 --> 01:54:00,119
it say the bosom there is no such thing.

2221
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:03,359
Speaker 1: As a created God created God? Where does we say?

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01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 3: Okay, when God made Moses and God didn't he create

2223
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:11,319
a god the word God?

2224
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:14,920
Speaker 5: In the seventy one, God said to Moses, behold, I

2225
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:15,880
have made.

2226
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,239
Speaker 1: The a God you are.

2227
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:23,279
Speaker 5: I've been telling you God did God created God? The

2228
01:54:23,319 --> 01:54:25,840
word God has multiple references.

2229
01:54:25,399 --> 01:54:28,680
Speaker 3: About You said, you're telling me God can create a God,

2230
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:30,239
and I just gave a verse.

2231
01:54:30,119 --> 01:54:31,279
Speaker 1: That God cares to God.

2232
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 7: That's equivocation.

2233
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: It's equivocation because well, that's.

2234
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:38,079
Speaker 7: Not a help.

2235
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:40,319
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm trying to bridge the gap on the

2236
01:54:40,359 --> 01:54:41,439
confusion origin.

2237
01:54:42,199 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 1: He said, be.

2238
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:46,039
Speaker 5: Created, and you tell me what equivocation?

2239
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:50,079
Speaker 1: It was a time when I don't know the definition.

2240
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:53,680
There's a time when the Father was you don't know what.

2241
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:57,039
Speaker 5: I do know that it says Christ is the first

2242
01:54:57,119 --> 01:55:03,479
born of all creation, separation of so understand the father,

2243
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:08,840
the son is the first, the first one.

2244
01:55:10,359 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 1: That the Father was.

2245
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,880
Speaker 7: Okay, Cap, we can stop. No, you're good, Cap, No,

2246
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:16,319
you're good.

2247
01:55:16,479 --> 01:55:19,279
Speaker 6: And this I think this conversation currently right here that's

2248
01:55:19,279 --> 01:55:22,800
happening is very important. So it's very important. So Cap,

2249
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,880
equivocation just simply means that you know, you're using the

2250
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:26,560
word god.

2251
01:55:27,159 --> 01:55:27,319
Speaker 5: Uh.

2252
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 6: You were speaking about one meaning of the word God,

2253
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:32,399
but then the reference that you made was a different

2254
01:55:32,439 --> 01:55:35,760
meaning for God. Like of course God isn't making moses

2255
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:36,920
of God like himself.

2256
01:55:37,399 --> 01:55:41,199
Speaker 7: So go ahead, Jay, uh answer his question.

2257
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:46,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's just let's let's just let's have Jay answer no.

2258
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 7: No, no, that's not fair, because okay, yeah, you can

2259
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:48,359
respond to me.

2260
01:55:48,439 --> 01:55:54,960
Speaker 1: I was just when you say I just want to

2261
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:57,439
respond to Coolie for then you can help. You can

2262
01:55:57,479 --> 01:55:58,000
say that later.

2263
01:55:58,079 --> 01:56:00,600
Speaker 3: Let me just respond to cool I was not making

2264
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:04,880
that equivocation, because even when you're calling an equivocation, that's

2265
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:06,279
under y'all's assumption.

2266
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't believe. I don't believe that Christ was created

2267
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:12,000
as the most.

2268
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,199
Speaker 6: You didn't even know what the word man, dude, Let's

2269
01:56:15,319 --> 01:56:18,199
let's yield the floor to James so he can go

2270
01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:20,119
ahead and respond.

2271
01:56:20,319 --> 01:56:24,079
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, you can respond to. You

2272
01:56:24,119 --> 01:56:24,960
are your own.

2273
01:56:26,279 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 7: Cap, cap.

2274
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:29,840
Speaker 6: It was Jay's time to just give a reply and

2275
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,239
then I'll give it right back to you.

2276
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:33,760
Speaker 1: But you did just say I could respond to you.

2277
01:56:34,119 --> 01:56:34,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know.

2278
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:36,239
Speaker 7: I thought I thought you were finished. Are you done

2279
01:56:36,279 --> 01:56:37,560
responding to me? Or no?

2280
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:39,119
Speaker 1: It was not because he keeps Okay, I'm.

2281
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 6: Sorry, Okay, cool you know what, cap, go ahead, finish

2282
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:42,199
your response to me.

2283
01:56:43,319 --> 01:56:48,039
Speaker 3: So when he made this statement that God cannot be created,

2284
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:51,439
that's why I went to Moses had nothing to do

2285
01:56:51,479 --> 01:56:54,079
with making an equivocation, because I don't think there's nobody

2286
01:56:54,119 --> 01:56:56,760
that compares to Christ. But I also don't think there's

2287
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,920
nobody that compares to the most time God y'all believed.

2288
01:57:00,199 --> 01:57:03,079
So I wasn't making the equivocation. I was just showing

2289
01:57:03,159 --> 01:57:06,760
him that God created a God Psalms eighty two and six,

2290
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:09,600
Ye are gods. God has created God, so he can't

2291
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:10,399
use the argument.

2292
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:11,279
Speaker 1: I'm done that.

2293
01:57:11,319 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I'm not in the debate, cap I'm just

2294
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:17,039
literally telling you what happened that that is equivocation.

2295
01:57:17,159 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 7: But let's just have Jay reply. Go ahead, Jay.

2296
01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:23,239
Speaker 5: What I argued was that a son comes from a

2297
01:57:23,359 --> 01:57:25,960
father with the same nature. And so you if you

2298
01:57:26,079 --> 01:57:28,880
call the son of God the son of the Father,

2299
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:32,880
and he's eternally begotten, as I'm arguing, John one says,

2300
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,880
then he cannot be a created God on that definition,

2301
01:57:36,399 --> 01:57:38,479
because if you have the same nature, if you come

2302
01:57:38,479 --> 01:57:40,680
from if you are, you have the same nature as

2303
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:43,640
your dad. So you come from him, you have you

2304
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:46,680
share that human nature. Well, Jesus as the son of God,

2305
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:48,920
if he comes from the Father, he has to have

2306
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:52,279
the Father's nature. That's why in John one it says

2307
01:57:52,319 --> 01:57:54,960
that the true light that came into the world.

2308
01:57:55,239 --> 01:57:58,119
Speaker 1: It says that the fullness of grace we have from.

2309
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:01,399
Speaker 5: Him, even through through Moses, that came to law, but

2310
01:58:01,479 --> 01:58:05,000
grace came through Christ, the only begotten Son, who is

2311
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:06,560
in the bosom of the Father.

2312
01:58:07,039 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 1: He has exegeted him as the Greek word.

2313
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:12,479
Speaker 5: So that means that if he's in the bosom of

2314
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:16,279
the Father when he's walking around on earth, then he's omnipresent.

2315
01:58:16,439 --> 01:58:20,039
You can't have divine attributes and be a creature. The

2316
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:22,600
Son is divine, and that's why John one calls him

2317
01:58:23,039 --> 01:58:26,119
God and logos the word God and John one is

2318
01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:28,199
a reference to the divine nature that he shares with

2319
01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:30,600
the Father. The word God that you're talking about in

2320
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,560
the Psalms when it colls Moses, God proves my point.

2321
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:35,159
Speaker 1: I told you at the beginning that the word God

2322
01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:39,680
can have different reference, So thank you appreciate it.

2323
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:43,279
Speaker 3: You actually died again by using the father's son analogy,

2324
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:45,960
because I agree with that I have a father. I

2325
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:49,159
have the same thing. You admit, this is what I'm saying. Man,

2326
01:58:49,359 --> 01:58:51,600
Why are you talking again? Then you admit he's not cruel?

2327
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:54,840
Why are you talking again? So I have a father.

2328
01:58:55,359 --> 01:58:58,119
I can have the same nature as my father. But

2329
01:58:58,279 --> 01:59:02,000
there was a time when I didn't exist and just

2330
01:59:02,319 --> 01:59:03,600
Carl existed.

2331
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:06,039
Speaker 1: You just di I just want to finish.

2332
01:59:06,119 --> 01:59:08,479
Speaker 3: I just want to finish that, Jesus, because give me

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analogy that you gave. My father had me when he

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was like twenty seven, so that means for twenty seven years.

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Speaker 1: I did not exist. You're a creator, and then my father.

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Speaker 3: Arg and then my father impregnated my mother, and then

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I was born.

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Speaker 1: You understand, you're idiot.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you would use I would I

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don't know why you would use me having you.

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Speaker 5: I don't even know what an analogogy because that's the

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analogy analogy.

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Speaker 3: My point is, what's an analogy there is at the

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time when the father existed and not the son. Your

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01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:51,520
counter to my argument was to say that I have

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a father and I have the same nature.

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Speaker 1: As Jesus, which I agree, Jesus.

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Speaker 3: My argument was not that Christ did not have the

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his father's argument was that the father existed with that.

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Speaker 1: That was your thousand. So now my question to.

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Speaker 3: You, dies nature, did my father exist without your creature?

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Speaker 1: An analogy? That's true?

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Speaker 5: An analogy is the first born of every creature, and

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he's a creature, then that is the creature. It says

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on one shows the other creature.

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Speaker 1: One says, who is the image of the invisible god?

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The first?

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Speaker 5: It says he his father's nature? Does it call him

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the first born nature? Does it call him?

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Speaker 1: You want to answer? I never argue. He doesn't want

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to answer because the future, no problem. He has he

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have his father's nature. Gonna answer the question? Does he

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have his father's nature? You keep saying I'm gonna answer?

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Speaker 7: Okay, j let him give him a chance to reply.

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Not gonna answer it.

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Speaker 1: I am gonna answer it.

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Speaker 3: I said he has his father's nature. Create the argument

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the father? Answer your question? I answered your question.

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Speaker 1: Does the father is the father uncreated?

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Speaker 3: No, you can't ask. I asked my question first. So

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just colo team, you just own yourself.

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Speaker 1: Callot why you can't answer the question? Because fifteen call

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you admitted? He asked father's nature? You're created? And you

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answer that question.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I got you. I got you.

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Speaker 6: Yep, yep, yep, real quick, real quick this. I think

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this is very important, Captain. I'm gonna let you fully

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get everything out.

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Speaker 7: Jay asked the question. No, No, Jay asked the question.

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Speaker 6: You did answer, But then Jay asked the follow up question,

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what's your answer to that?

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Speaker 7: Follow can you repeat that follow up question?

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Speaker 5: Admitted that he asked his father's nature the father's uncreated.

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Speaker 1: You just owned yourself. He didn't you say you didn't

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answer a question, So now go he didn't.

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Speaker 5: You just said, I just owned the Does he if

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he has the father's nature, then is he not uncreated

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because the father's nature is created.

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Speaker 3: No, that's not true because even in the answer that

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you I'm going to answer, So even in the analogy

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that you gave, my father.

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Speaker 1: Created me, created, nature created.

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Speaker 6: I want to like you now he doesn't think he's

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02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:20,479
asking is the father's nature uncreated? That's the question, right, Jake,

2395
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:24,159
that's three questions? Yeah, is the father's nature uncreated?

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02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:27,600
Speaker 1: Idiot? Just answer it.

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02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:34,239
Speaker 3: If the father himself it is not created. For the record,

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nothing you said Jesus has his natu about the father

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that the son has his nature. There's nothing about the

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father that is created. That's why he's called And you

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02:02:44,079 --> 02:02:47,359
said the son you just as he's called the answer

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02:02:47,399 --> 02:02:48,800
of days. So now I want to ask him to

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02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,359
questions and he already asked me three. Cool, you're done,

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02:02:51,359 --> 02:02:53,159
you asked me. I just want to ask them to

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admit idiot.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Jay, Jay, let him go ahead and not get

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02:02:57,720 --> 02:03:00,119
his off real quick. Go ahead, cat the logic and

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02:03:00,119 --> 02:03:01,640
then we're gonna finish off with the Superchicks.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, you just go one. In fifteen, does it

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02:03:05,439 --> 02:03:09,239
call Christ a creature? Yes? Or no? No?

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02:03:10,359 --> 02:03:12,720
Speaker 5: Colliss one in fifteen you just submitted he is not

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02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:13,600
a creature, you idiot?

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02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:16,279
Speaker 1: So who is admitted he is not a creature? Once again?

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02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:20,319
Speaker 5: The admitted creature? Who is the image of the INVISI

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02:03:21,439 --> 02:03:25,760
three questions? Not cool because I didn't follow up three

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02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:26,560
like he had three?

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02:03:26,720 --> 02:03:29,399
Speaker 6: Hey, Jay, just let him get let him ask his

2418
02:03:29,560 --> 02:03:32,600
questions real quick, Jack, he just reviewed him. I know,

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02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:34,239
but Jay, just give him the time to let him

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02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:36,640
ask his questions, and then you just give your answers

2421
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:37,159
to go ahead.

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02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:41,079
Speaker 3: Who is the image of the invisible God? Is that

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02:03:41,159 --> 02:03:43,640
not Christ? Eternally right?

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02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:44,960
Speaker 1: So I want my audience to know.

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02:03:46,439 --> 02:03:48,600
Speaker 3: If I ask my third and final question, I want

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02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:52,119
the audience to understand he's saying Christ is not a creature.

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02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:54,000
But the verse just said who is the image of

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02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,520
the invisible God? Which he admitted was Jesus, and he

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02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:59,439
calls that image of the invisible God a creature? My

2430
02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:03,319
last question question and Daniel's the seventh chapter, it calls

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02:04:03,359 --> 02:04:06,319
the Father the Ancient of Days. The Son of Man

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02:04:06,479 --> 02:04:10,319
comes before the Father. Yes, is the son of Man

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02:04:10,439 --> 02:04:13,960
the Ancient of days. No, the Ancient of Days is

2434
02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:18,479
the Father. That's how you know there was a time

2435
02:04:18,520 --> 02:04:21,079
that the Ancient of Days was just him, and the

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02:04:21,159 --> 02:04:24,520
Father was not me, and the son was not If

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02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:26,840
the Father is the Ancient of days and the Son

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02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:29,079
of Man is coming to the Ancient of days, did

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02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:31,359
that mean the son has to be created to be

2440
02:04:31,359 --> 02:04:33,279
presented to the Ancient of days.

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02:04:33,359 --> 02:04:36,840
Speaker 1: He just that's his ascension. That's a prediction. You can

2442
02:04:36,840 --> 02:04:38,319
go to this, the prediction.

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02:04:38,039 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 5: Of the ascension and his session to the Father when

2444
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:42,199
he has sent in the Book Relation. That's the same

2445
02:04:42,279 --> 02:04:45,399
passage and Daniel to the Book of Revelation when he

2446
02:04:45,439 --> 02:04:48,399
ascended and watched with Daniel is seeing what's happening in Revelation.

2447
02:04:48,479 --> 02:04:49,319
Speaker 1: It's the same passenger.

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02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,560
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, let me get to somebody super chests

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02:04:53,600 --> 02:04:57,840
real quick. We have Johnny nick Veto sending in twenty dollars, man,

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02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:00,159
I appreciate the support, brother, He says two cap. In

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02:05:00,279 --> 02:05:05,319
the Bible, blasphemy is defined as a reverent slanderous speech

2452
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:09,199
or action against God, his name or the Holy Spirit.

2453
02:05:09,720 --> 02:05:13,840
You have a false interpretation of scripture. Do you not

2454
02:05:14,039 --> 02:05:17,760
worry about your soul regarding Jesus question.

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02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:22,920
Speaker 5: I don't believe that blaspheming is what he said, blastpheming.

2456
02:05:23,319 --> 02:05:27,079
When he said blaspheming, that's when the Pharisee said that

2457
02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:31,840
he cast out demons by the prince of demons in

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02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,880
Christ said a house divided cannot stand. And then he

2459
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:35,720
said blaspheming.

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02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:38,439
Speaker 3: The Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven, because when you

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02:05:38,479 --> 02:05:41,760
see a miracle and you credit it to anybody except

2462
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:44,039
the Holy Spirit, that's blaspheming.

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02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:45,359
Speaker 1: So I have not blaspheming.

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02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:49,399
Speaker 5: Okay, Now this person is so in delusion. He doesn't

2465
02:05:49,479 --> 02:05:51,199
have any he has no idea what's going on?

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02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:52,199
Speaker 7: All right?

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02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:55,039
Speaker 6: We got anti social sending in twenty dollars. Man, I

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02:05:55,119 --> 02:05:58,119
highly appreciate everyone donating to the channel tonight. I guess

2469
02:05:58,199 --> 02:06:00,680
you guys are enjoying this spirited debate.

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02:06:01,159 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 7: He says.

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02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:07,960
Speaker 6: Lieutenant Dango got beat. Okay, let's see what else we

2472
02:06:08,079 --> 02:06:11,520
got here. I'm not even sure what that's a reference to.

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02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:18,560
We got grit's, Carlton says in twenty dollars. Appreciate the

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02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:21,600
sport man, he says, Cap, to help you understand with

2475
02:06:21,720 --> 02:06:25,680
an analogy, Coolly is properly black.

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02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:30,000
Speaker 7: You are generally black. Okay, fair enough? All right, you

2477
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:37,199
want to reply to that, Cap? All right, let's see, all.

2478
02:06:37,159 --> 02:06:40,199
Speaker 6: Right, man, I think we appreciate all of the support,

2479
02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:42,680
but we getting a lot of super chest that's under twenty.

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02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:43,960
Speaker 7: They're popping up.

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02:06:44,039 --> 02:06:48,680
Speaker 6: So hey man, fellas, I do appreciate both of you

2482
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,560
for coming out and joining us all thousands of people

2483
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:56,840
that's watching this in this debate. And yeah, man, until

2484
02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,479
next time, go ahead and subscribe to Jay Dyer he's tagged.

2485
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:04,199
Go ahead and subscribe to Captain Tazariak, he's also tagged.

2486
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:07,159
If you went ahead and you like Captain's position, give

2487
02:07:07,239 --> 02:07:09,560
him a follow, subscribe to him. If you like Jay,

2488
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:11,840
go ahead, give him a follow, subscribe to him. But

2489
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:15,079
without further too, without further ado, this podcast is no

2490
02:07:15,159 --> 02:07:16,720
fugazy and Pace.

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02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:28,760
Speaker 7: We are out, no whoo gays who gays, and y'all

2492
02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:29,680
see the suit too.

2493
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:29,880
Speaker 5: Man.

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02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:35,039
Speaker 7: Listen, new studio, new podcast by the scoring, not by

2495
02:07:35,079 --> 02:07:35,800
the letter bro.

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02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:39,199
Speaker 6: We can go verse for verse all day long, doing

2497
02:07:39,279 --> 02:07:42,399
new things are okay, with's understanding the reality that we

2498
02:07:42,439 --> 02:07:44,039
are in competition with one another.

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02:07:44,359 --> 02:07:47,239
Speaker 1: But you ladies think that you're special. We are in comfort.

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02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:49,520
Speaker 9: Men are men of their works. So here's my word.

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02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:51,319
I'll fly you out here. We can do it in person,

2502
02:07:51,359 --> 02:07:52,199
and after that we could.

2503
02:07:52,479 --> 02:07:53,119
Speaker 1: I'm about my.

2504
02:07:53,199 --> 02:07:57,039
Speaker 9: Business, so remember I say, when I ask you these questions,

2505
02:07:57,159 --> 02:07:59,439
I will dismantle your entire argument.

2506
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 7: That's the and I'm the sake my daughter.

2507
02:08:02,039 --> 02:08:04,439
Speaker 1: I'm thirty nine, but I don't want to check that.

2508
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:06,359
Yeah you look thirty nine.

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02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:10,159
Speaker 6: That man is an intimidated by woman like you, ain't

2510
02:08:10,159 --> 02:08:11,520
an normally by woman like you.

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02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:14,279
Speaker 9: Because a man doesn't want to date another man, he

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02:08:14,319 --> 02:08:15,319
wants to day a woman.

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02:08:27,039 --> 02:08:29,520
Speaker 7: All right, we wrap o cap. You're still back here, man,

2514
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:34,000
I was trying to be respectful to the to the joint.

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02:08:34,439 --> 02:08:37,000
Speaker 3: Hey check your no PROB check you I G I

2516
02:08:37,079 --> 02:08:42,079
was saying earlier, Uh, you ain't never invite me to

2517
02:08:42,159 --> 02:08:44,239
the to the joint because you're in Jersey, Like, oh,

2518
02:08:44,279 --> 02:08:52,359
I think you're right outside of Jersey, right, Okay, So

2519
02:08:52,439 --> 02:08:55,159
maybe sometime in April, you know, we can link up

2520
02:08:55,159 --> 02:08:56,920
in person. I know we spoke about it before, so

2521
02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:08,560
maybe we can look up in person, right, mm hmm.

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02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:15,279
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought I had your.

2523
02:09:15,279 --> 02:09:17,840
Speaker 3: Number because I think we spoke on the phone before.

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02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:19,880
I'm gonna see if I have it or not and

2525
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:21,960
then go from there. But but yeah, you say hit

2526
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,279
your personal page up, so I'll.

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02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:29,840
Speaker 1: Hit that up next time. That's what I'm talking about.

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Mm hmm.

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02:09:38,399 --> 02:10:03,439
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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02:09:54,880 --> 02:09:59,079
Speaker 1: You go back, can watch it. I think. I think. God,

2531
02:09:59,079 --> 02:10:00,000
I'm listening.

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02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:11,640
Speaker 6: H m hmm, kind of keep count of everything, doing

2533
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:13,319
my best because a lot was going on, and also

2534
02:10:13,399 --> 02:10:15,560
managing a chat and everything too. But I heard that,

2535
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:20,720
and then when he said idiot, then I'm like, okay,

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02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:21,840
he I like that.

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02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:24,720
Speaker 7: That's even I'm guessing. So that's how I had it.

2538
02:10:24,760 --> 02:10:26,720
Was like it was like one strike for one strike.

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02:10:27,039 --> 02:10:28,359
Speaker 1: No, I get it. So if you didn't hear it,

2540
02:10:28,359 --> 02:10:29,359
I can't tell you what you heard.

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02:10:29,439 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I didn't hear it because I would have

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02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:34,039
if he would have just said idiot, and then you

2543
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:36,840
would have replied how you replied and was like coolly,

2544
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:37,479
come on out.

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02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:39,840
Speaker 7: I would have been like, Jay, you did start it.

2546
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 6: But from what I've heard, I heard you say like

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02:10:42,039 --> 02:10:44,560
the white you said white something right, No, I.

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02:10:44,479 --> 02:10:46,880
Speaker 1: Did, and so that was like after like the fourth idiot,

2549
02:10:47,359 --> 02:10:47,960
that's all.

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02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:52,479
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, God damn man, So I didn't know what

2551
02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:54,159
I ain't even yeah, but.

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02:10:54,079 --> 02:10:54,880
Speaker 1: It ain't no sweat man.

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02:10:54,920 --> 02:10:57,199
Speaker 3: I do appreciate it, man, And I'm gonna definitely hit

2554
02:10:57,279 --> 02:10:59,760
you up and then maybe in April or May weekn

2555
02:11:01,079 --> 02:11:03,039
that because that's a different you know. So I don't

2556
02:11:03,119 --> 02:11:05,760
like I'm going to Vegas Sunday, I'm gonna sit with

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02:11:05,800 --> 02:11:07,199
that cat six or seven.

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Speaker 7: Oh so yeah yeah, yeah.

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02:11:09,439 --> 02:11:12,119
Speaker 1: I do stuff outside of that as well, so you know,

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02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:13,760
we could do that. I think that'll be dope.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but and I'm also trying to do like some

2562
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in person debate. So if I could definitely set up

2563
02:11:19,039 --> 02:11:20,640
like an in person debate with.

2564
02:11:21,279 --> 02:11:24,840
Speaker 7: You know you and maybe another you know, uh you know.

2565
02:11:25,680 --> 02:11:31,159
Speaker 6: Christ Christian apologetak you know, definitely.

2566
02:11:30,760 --> 02:11:31,479
Speaker 7: Because that ain't me.

2567
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:34,359
Speaker 6: I can't like I'm not the scholar and so I

2568
02:11:34,359 --> 02:11:36,560
mean you spoke before I even to say, listen, bro,

2569
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:38,920
I don't know really, I'm not I don't I don't

2570
02:11:38,920 --> 02:11:41,359
know the Bible verbatim, lee and stuff like that.

2571
02:11:41,640 --> 02:11:44,880
Speaker 3: I want some people, if you want, I could probably

2572
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:47,680
find some Muslims that might be good. You give me

2573
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:50,520
the you know what you're trying to do, how you

2574
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:53,119
want to do it. I could probably get some people.

2575
02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:55,359
Speaker 6: To Yeah, yeah, if you have any that you want

2576
02:11:55,359 --> 02:11:59,199
to debate, you can always just send me, uh their name.

2577
02:11:59,439 --> 02:12:01,279
I'll go ahead and reach out or have my assistant

2578
02:12:01,319 --> 02:12:02,760
reach out to them so we can try to do

2579
02:12:02,840 --> 02:12:06,880
exactly what we did today, right, And also if they're local,

2580
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:09,039
like around like an hour an hour and a half,

2581
02:12:09,079 --> 02:12:11,439
we can do it in person at my studio, which

2582
02:12:11,439 --> 02:12:12,039
would be fired.

2583
02:12:12,199 --> 02:12:14,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, doing it in person,

2584
02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:16,279
like finding somebody local and then doing it that way.

2585
02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:18,840
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah yeah, we can definitely

2586
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:21,000
do that, all right, man, have a blessed woman.

2587
02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:36,399
Speaker 5: I don't know why I'm gonna just turn my camera off.

2588
02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:39,880
I just turned my camera off because I don't know

2589
02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:41,800
why it's frozen like that. But I believe y'all can

2590
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:42,159
hear me.

2591
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:45,279
Speaker 3: I do appreciate y'all rock with me, just so y'all

2592
02:12:45,399 --> 02:12:49,319
know when I do these debates, I do this for y'all.

2593
02:12:49,560 --> 02:12:52,600
I do not understand this super chat though, this superchat

2594
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:56,399
that says cap one, oh, cap to one, cap one,

2595
02:12:56,479 --> 02:12:57,840
the fact you paid.

2596
02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:02,840
Speaker 1: And lied is sad and you cheat. I don't know what.

2597
02:13:03,039 --> 02:13:05,399
Speaker 3: I don't know what that super to Glee team. I

2598
02:13:05,439 --> 02:13:08,159
don't understand the superchat. I appreciate it, but I don't

2599
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:11,239
understand it. I did the other ones. This one said,

2600
02:13:12,199 --> 02:13:16,479
Cap got capped. Shout out to him for the superchat.

2601
02:13:16,479 --> 02:13:20,520
We definitely appreciate your little funky ass two dollars Jay

2602
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:23,880
Bird again for ninety nine, Jay Bird, we was kings.

2603
02:13:24,079 --> 02:13:28,119
Appreciate that to JD. According to Romans one and seven

2604
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:32,640
and seventy one, who is Paul talking to? So let

2605
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:35,039
me look at Romans one and seven and Romans one

2606
02:13:35,119 --> 02:13:40,479
and seven. It says to all that being Rome beloved

2607
02:13:40,520 --> 02:13:44,159
of God called to be saints. So let me show

2608
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:46,840
you something here so you could know who he was

2609
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:50,399
talking to. All right, because I'm such a good sport,

2610
02:13:50,680 --> 02:13:52,760
So let me come over here. We're gonna go here.

2611
02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:54,880
We're gonna share the screen. We're gonna put it on

2612
02:13:54,920 --> 02:14:00,600
the screen. I don't know if I can make this bigger.

2613
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:02,920
Let me see if I can make this bigger. But

2614
02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:05,239
when you're looking at it, it says all that are

2615
02:14:05,279 --> 02:14:07,399
called to be saints.

2616
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:09,239
Speaker 1: So that's who it's written to.

2617
02:14:10,079 --> 02:14:12,359
Speaker 3: It's written to all that are called to be saints,

2618
02:14:12,359 --> 02:14:14,279
and the only people that were called to be saints

2619
02:14:14,319 --> 02:14:19,079
were Israelites. It says, Cap, Cooney is doing this on

2620
02:14:19,159 --> 02:14:22,680
purpose to get you to rage quit. Yes, I knew

2621
02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:25,560
that he was trying to get me to rage quit.

2622
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:29,119
Oh question for Cap, what do you see in malachoed

2623
02:14:29,159 --> 02:14:31,119
one on eleven? And do you burn incense to God

2624
02:14:31,159 --> 02:14:35,239
and have an alter? Hebrews and Malachi one and eleven

2625
02:14:35,359 --> 02:14:40,399
it says, let me see, for from the rising of

2626
02:14:40,399 --> 02:14:42,199
the sun, even going down to the same, my name

2627
02:14:42,279 --> 02:14:44,680
shall be greater on the Gentiles, and every place instance

2628
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:48,359
shall be offered unto my name. So when it's talking

2629
02:14:48,399 --> 02:14:52,119
about that, that's the every niche shall bo every tongue.

2630
02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:55,159
So I'll confess that's Isaiah the second chapter. Every nation

2631
02:14:55,399 --> 02:14:58,319
will obey, and his name will.

2632
02:14:58,119 --> 02:15:01,520
Speaker 5: Be great, but it'll be great under the rulership of

2633
02:15:01,560 --> 02:15:06,920
the children of Israel. All right, Cap debating Lieutenant Dango

2634
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:09,880
from Reno nine one one before I go, All right,

2635
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:13,079
before I go, If y'all don't know who Lieutenant Dango is,

2636
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:17,359
let me show y'all who Lieutenant Dango is and shout

2637
02:15:17,399 --> 02:15:19,199
out to go.

2638
02:15:19,439 --> 02:15:19,880
Speaker 1: You're right.

2639
02:15:19,960 --> 02:15:23,359
Speaker 3: They only had they only know white theology. They don't

2640
02:15:23,399 --> 02:15:26,159
know the Bible. So I'm gonna take this picture. I'm

2641
02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:28,319
gonna show y'all who Let me just google it? I

2642
02:15:28,319 --> 02:15:30,920
could just google it. Let me let me slide.

2643
02:15:32,840 --> 02:15:37,199
Speaker 1: This over here. This was his source that he pulled up.

2644
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:43,880
Let's do whereas. Let me spell a name right. Let

2645
02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:44,399
me see.

2646
02:15:44,319 --> 02:15:48,680
Speaker 3: Dangle Reno nine one one. Y'all want to see Dango?

2647
02:15:49,800 --> 02:15:52,000
This wait, let me get the horrible picture of Dango.

2648
02:15:52,119 --> 02:15:57,279
This is Dango. Let's see this. Oh, it's gonna show.

2649
02:15:57,039 --> 02:15:58,520
Speaker 1: The down at.

2650
02:15:58,640 --> 02:15:59,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't looking for a bit. Let me go to

2651
02:16:00,039 --> 02:16:06,119
images here. This is Dango. That's him. Let me see

2652
02:16:06,119 --> 02:16:09,560
if I can get another. This is that's Lieutenant Dango.

2653
02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:15,399
Speaker 1: That's what y'all said. That's that's Lieutenant Dango. Right there,

2654
02:16:15,479 --> 02:16:20,760
y'all that that's who that was. He shout, that's lieutenant

2655
02:16:25,640 --> 02:16:27,640
all right, man, I appreciate y'all rocking with you. Man,

2656
02:16:27,640 --> 02:16:30,279
I'm about to roll, so until next time, you how

2657
02:16:30,319 --> 02:16:32,639
about shot? Rocking thumb? Your how a small thumb boy

2658
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:33,399
shot