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Speaker 1: This system is no longer controlled by the doctor and

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the patient and what the doctor says and with consultation

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with the patient, what the standard of care should be.

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From there, there medical groups, whether it's for US E

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and T or internal medicine, that doesn't have any power anymore.

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It's the insurance companies driving the delivery of healthcare and

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the choices, unfortunately, that the doctors can make. It's not right.

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Speaker 3: And welcome you are listening to the Financial Survival Network.

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I'm your Carrie Lutz. Well make America healthy again? Will

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RFK Junior get the confirmation to a Secretary of HHS

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and will he be able to make a difference? Why

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does medicine cost so much? Why is everything so corrupt?

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If you've been watching Elon Musk rip the federal budget

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to shreds and perhaps rejoicing at the prospect of the

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tyranny of the purse actually being exposed, then you're going

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to want to hear this show with us. Is it esteemed?

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Doctor Elena George. We've been talking for years, doctor George,

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you and I, and well, what do you think of RFK?

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Do you think he can bring some sanity to this

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insane system.

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Speaker 1: I think that anything that exposes the underbelly and how

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the machine works is a positive. I think it's one

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of the most open take parts of our economy, and

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it's huge, and at this point it's just gotten more bloated,

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but it doesn't serve the interests of the doctor or

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the patient at this point.

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Speaker 3: So just for big Pharma, we got this thing called

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prescription benefit managers and they set the price for everything

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and everywhere, and one of them is owned by CBS,

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if I'm not mistaken, care Mark, and I don't remember.

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There's two or three of them, and they get a

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piece of every transaction that takes place. And who died

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and made them king? Is what I'd like to know,

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doctor George.

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Speaker 1: I think even said the axiom fall of the money

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is what you really have to keep your mind on.

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There's so much conflict of interest written into the system.

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It's amazing. So if the insurance companies are able to

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work with the pharmacy benefit management companies and they have

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a preferred pharmacy to go to, that actually limits the

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way for the patient to shop and save money because

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they are actually setting the price. But not only do

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they set the price, they change the formulary. So as

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a doctor, if I want to write a prescription that

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I know works and the patient has this insurance plan,

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they will not pay for that medication. The patient is

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out of luck, or I have to change what I

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know to be from what I know to be the

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best treatment to something that I'm not happy with. This

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system is no longer controlled by the doctor and the

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patient and what the doctor says and with consultation with

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the patient, what the standard of care should be from

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their medical groups, whether it's for US E and T

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or internal medicine. That doesn't have any power anymore. It's

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the insurance companies driving the delivery of healthcare and the

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choices unfortunately that the doctors can make. It's not right.

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Speaker 3: And so what about hospitals. They're like taking over the practice.

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You know, all the doctors are working for them now.

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Very few doctors, it seems, are left to be able

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to work for themselves. How did that happen?

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Speaker 1: You know, it was a slow and steady slide. I

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had the benefit of being in this, you know, in

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medical school and in residency during all these changes, so

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I saw it coming at the beginning of my training.

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When people had insurance plans, they didn't cover the first

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dollar of healthcare. They only covered big ticket items like

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if you had to have an expensive lab or if

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you had to have surgery. Otherwise, the patient was paying

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out of pocket directly to the doctor. And when the

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insurance companies took over the pocketbook or the purse, then

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they got to control everything. And people don't think about

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but they have a conflict of interest. By definition, as

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a you know, an entity that's about making money, their

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job is to give value to their you know, their stockholders, right,

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don't really want to pay out the cost of what

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your doctor wants or what you need. And it's become

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completely mercenary. So you have horrible stories that people have

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heard about where cancer treatment is denied because it's quote experimental.

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I can tell you from day to day, because I

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see patients every day that were always caught out. Even

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if we get a pre authorization, it doesn't mean they're

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going to pay for the procedure or the office visit,

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and so it's a it's a very one sided system.

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It's a h win, I win, you lose, I win

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kind of system. Does it make sense to you as

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a lay person? If you come to my office, I

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need to do a procedure around you. I ask your

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insurance if it's okay called a pre authorization because I

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have all the medical reasoning behind it. They say yes,

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I do the procedure, and then they deny it after

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the fact, after they approved it, and I don't have

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any grounds to fight for it because I'm contracted to

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follow whatever they say. You know, that goes on every

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day throughout the country. And at this point, that's one

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of the reasons that doctors have left private practice. It's

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one of the reasons don't they'll leve practice altogether. And

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now we have a situation where we don't have enough

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doctors to take care of patients, and now we have

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a whole influx of other healthcare providers, whether they be

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nurse practitioners, physician, assistants, aids, all of these things, and

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I don't mean just medicine. It's gone through pharmacy, every

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single aspect of our healthcare system. Because its system is

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not designed to actually do what it's supposed to do,

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which is to help people. It's about making money and

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there's no recourse. It's just really sad that the doctors

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and patients are the victims in this. And of course

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it's so opaque. You can't say this is a doctor

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because the patient can't necessarily see it. But they're thinking

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that you're the problem, when in actuality it's these big

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entities and this infrastructure that's enormous.

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Speaker 3: It seems like they don't really want to cure diseases anymore.

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They just want to treat them, and then you become

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a lifelong customer of the drug company.

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Speaker 1: It's a business model, isn't it. It makes perfect sense

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if you have a customer for life on more than

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one medication daily and you're managing the disease and you're

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never really curing it. So you know, I would love

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to see if we do get a change over at HHS,

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a change from treating a disease to preventing the disease.

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It seems that we have all these treatments for after

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the fact. But if we can change things that make

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people sick, whether that be what's in the water, what

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chemicals are in various things that we're exposed to, would

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that cut down on the reason you know, or the

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disease itself, the amount of people who get it. That

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would say the ultimate amount of money as opposed to

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trying to find the disease and then have some algorithm

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to treat it forever. It doesn't seem like it doesn't

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really make a lot of sense. If you think about

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cost and human cost and quality of life cost, this

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is a no brainer.

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Speaker 3: And let's not forget that we didn't have this epidemic

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of chronic diseases.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: Forty fifty sixty years ago, we didn't have obesity to

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the level we have it now. It was relatively unusual

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to see an obese person and now it's really gone rampant.

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Speaker 1: Well mean, think about the food industry, and we didn't

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have we had cane sugar back in the day. Now

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we have high fructose corn syrup. We have other chemicals

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that make our estrogen levels go up or affect our

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blood pressure. You know, all these things the children were

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or diabetes. It's going through the roof in younger and

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younger kids. But no one seems to be looking at

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what's the common denominator, what's in the food where they're

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all eating, what's in the what additives or put in

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that weren't there fifty years ago, and get rid of

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take a look at it and be try to be

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on the side of the patient instead of getting back

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in you know, whatever position you're in, getting it re elected.

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in to get them back in. Come hell or high water.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So RFKA Junior is talking about seed oils, which

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we know are inflammatory agents, fati omega sixes that cause

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inflammation in the body, healthy eating, whole food, odds, all

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these things. You know, so many of the so called

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food products that are sold in the United States aren't

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sold in aren't allowed in Europe, not even in Canada,

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our next door neighbor. They gave the example of fruit

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loops had eighteen ingredients and the ones in Canada did

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as well, but the difference was that none of the

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ingredients in the Canadian fruit loops were artificial. They were

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all natural and breakfast cereals like the worst thing in

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the world. It's pure, pure sugar, pure poison and chemicals.

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Speaker 1: And it's expensive too. So for those who keep saying that,

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you know, if we make these changes, it's going to

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be cost prohibitive, you know, five or six dollars for

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you know, a box of cereal is cost prohibited and

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it's full of toxins. I'm sure people, but then we

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people do. I think there's a growing number of people

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who are making healthy choices. I love to see that

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side of our food industry and our healthcare system work

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in tandem. Doctors have a lot of power. I don't

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think we spend enough time as a group talking about

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health to our patients. It's about what drug can we

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give them, as opposed to how do we get you

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off of the medication? Right, And that's a different mindset.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And you know, the whole chronic illnesses, you know,

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they just didn't exist. And then when we studied primitive

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cultures out there, right, and they don't have any of

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these diseases, until until, you know, until they get modernized, right,

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and the tempt to adopt the Western or American diet.

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Speaker 4: That's true, I mean it's our diet has got a

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lot to be a lot to be desired, frankly, And

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if we can have an honest conversation and everybody's voice

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should be heard, I don't think it should be one way.

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Speaker 1: And I don't subscribe to censorship. You know, if you

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don't like something doesn't mean you just shut it down.

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have a discussion and come to a conclusion that everybody

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can live with as opposed to my way or no way.

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up the conversation to thinking a different way. I just

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don't think doing the same thing and expecting a different

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result is working. Because the cost of the healthcare system

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for an individual they get into it is prohibitive. Nobody's

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looking at that. But the best thing is not I

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tell my patients don't get sick, right, This is how

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you work the system. Don't enter it because you're not

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sure what's going to happen when you're in it. And

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I practice what I preach on this one. And you know, ultimately, Carrie,

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it's about choice, individual choices. I think we need to

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work want better for ourselves as individuals. So if people

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want to take a pill because it's a fast track

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to lose in weight or to growing hair or whatever

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they're doing, but not think about any of the adverse effects,

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and you hear them on TV, I swear the list

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is getting longer and longer the Cutees commercial. If you

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just you know, slow down and not listen to the music,

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but listen to the words it's amazing and anything that

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causes death as one of its side effects, I personally

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would be having really second, third, and four thoughts about

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taking that.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, Yeah, well yeah. But on the other hand, the

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weight loss pills, the glip ones, clip twos, you know,

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ozempic and Manjaro, you know, they enable people to take

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off these pounds and it's easier to lose the weight.

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to lose it. So they're you know, just that obesity

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itself is so unhealthy that maybe it's worth taking some

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of these weight loss drugs.

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Speaker 1: But they all have side effects to them, and potentially

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you'd have to be on them for the rest of

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your life. I don't have a problem. It's something if

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to but that's not really what's going on. It's a

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lot of the for the rest of your life kind

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just that when you're losing weight and you're not eating,

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so your vitamin status and your nutrition goes down. So

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I mean, there's a lot of things we need to

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have a sense of balance. Throwing everybody on it and

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having kids go on it without changing the reason that

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they're faked exactly. So you know, it's just going to

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go down to infants needing it at some point. They

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don't have an off switch with this. As soon as

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that door is open, they find someone who's going to

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be able to use it.

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Speaker 3: So doctor George just switching up a little bit here,

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Elon Musk breaks into the HHS computers, the Medicaid, the

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Medicare computers. What shocks are instead in store for us there?

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Speaker 1: Gee, that's a great question, you know, I don't I

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can only speak about it from the doctor's side of it,

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and those are two of our healthcare delivery systems that

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I don't partake in because they don't serve the patient.

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think that from the pharmacy side, they definitely have a

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protocol of what medicines that they allow. And the reason

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I love Medicare Medicaid was I couldn't prescribe medicines that

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worked for my patient because they were never on formulary.

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So I wonder how much the pharmacy benefit management company

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is involved with that side of the healthcare system because

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the government's involved, so they're going to want to get

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the lowest denominator in terms of cost savings as they

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can get. But I wonder where that money's going to.

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So I don't know. I can't answer that, but I

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wouldn't be surprised if we find some real whoppers in there.

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Speaker 3: Will. You got to realize that from that system there's

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way more money coming out than from USAID or even

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the Department. I think Health and Human Services is putting

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out more than Defense, like one point seven billion, So

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it's got to be it's going to be shocking. I'm

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just telling you it's going to be prepared to be shocked.

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Speaker 1: I would bet that most of the money is going

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to medication and not to services like doctors and physical

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therapists and PT and you know that sort of thing,

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chronic care. I bet you most is going to medicine.

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I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well, if there's only half the upheaval like

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there is in the foreign aid sector, we're in for

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quite a show, aren't we.

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Speaker 1: I think we are. And hopefully it'll clean out the

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whatever disease is in there so we can start.

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Speaker 3: Over all right, So brief things you can do to

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improve your health right now.

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Speaker 1: Number one is clean up your water intake. Right So,

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there was a lot of things about filtering your water

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and about bottled water versus tap water. Water is we're

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seventy percent water. What we drink does matter. So I

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would recommend people, if they can afford it, to invest

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in a home system reverse cosmosis that takes some purities out.

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I would stay away from plastics because microplastics are one

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of the main problems. Is one of those forever type

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of things that want and ends up in your system.

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We can't get it out, and we don't know what

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that's going to cause down the road, so investing in

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the systems using glass bottles, I personally think things like

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hydrogen putting hydrogen, getting a hydrogen system for your water,

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or definitely not drinking tap would be number one. The

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second thing is to try to eat as organic as

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you possibly can. As we already know that there's so

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many chemicals in the system itself, in the food distribution system,

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in the supply that if you can clean it out

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what you're putting in with organic where they're not getting

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eating food that's generically modified or anything that's you know,

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all these vaccines are being put into the food industry

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on the cattle, et cetera. I try to clean that

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out as well and shop local. So there are plenty

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of co ops in every kind I'm sorry, every city,

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every state that you can actually join and you can

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work with farmers locally and get food that's much cheaper,

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better quality, and consistent, so you're not going to have

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to be at the mercy of something going down in

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the commercial shopping sector. You know what happened with the

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different Krogers and publics, et cetera. When you have when

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they go down for whatever reason, the supply chains effect.

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So that would be number two and three. It sounds

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kind of out there, but I would have a relationship

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with God, to be honest, because there's so much I

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don't know. You can't trust anything that people say right where.

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Human beings are notoriously everywhere. But if you have a

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relationship with a higher power, someone bigger than yourself, I

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think that gives you stability. I think that makes you

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less likely to be at the whim and emotionally, you

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know the ebb and flow of what goes on emotionally,

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because fear is what gets people into trouble, and when

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you're fearful, you fall for anything. And I think we

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as human beings need to be much more mindful of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. And so it

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starts with attitude, and your attitude affect your behavior and

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from there, once your behavior changes, everything else changes too. Right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're you're you're in a position of power, right,

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so you're not waiting for something to come down the

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pipe that you have to react to. You're prepared, you

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have a plan. Whatever goes down, you can you can

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fall back on that knowing that I've prepared, I've got

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what I need. I know the direction that I want

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to go to and more importantly, the direction that I

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don't want to go to, because that's why I think

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people get into trouble. It's I want to follow the group.

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I think, you know someone's there to help me and

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they care about me. That is the worst position to

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be and you will be, you know, net up for

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God knows what.

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Speaker 3: So dirt, Yes, yes, I couldn't agree with you. More

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on that, doctor George, And yeah, so water attitude, relationship

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with God. And then find the healthy food. It's out there.

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It's not just that Whole Foods. It's in a lot

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of other places. A lot of the foods at Whole

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Foods are what I call fake health foods. Right, They're

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not real, They're not really healthy. If something's swimming in

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sugar and seed oil, I don't care. If it's on

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the first aisle at the Whole Foods, I don't want it.

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Speaker 1: So I think you're absolutely right. I mean, the thing

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that people don't realize is that if you go local,

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if you have a relationship with people who are farmers,

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people who produce, then you have a pathway around every

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single thing that can happen in the bigger picture the

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bigger system. It doesn't affect you the same way at all, exactly.

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Speaker 3: All right, Hey, we appreciate as always you're coming on

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sharing your knowledge and wisdom with us, doctor George. How

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do we find you? How do we find your podcast

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and how do we connect with you on the web.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can go to Libertytalk dot fm, and that's

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where I have a Living in the Solution. It's a

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podcast that runs live on Saturdays and Sundays at noon

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Eastern time. You can also go to my website, doctor

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Lane a joy dot com, and I have podcasts that

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have been going on for many, many years and links

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that help people do what I recommend. You know, everybody

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has to be has to have a skin in this game,

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and the more knowledge you have, the more power you have.

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I'm all about that, and I think everything has a solution,

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and we are our own solution, not looking for somebody

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else to do it for us.

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Speaker 3: All right, doctor George, appreciate that, And the links are

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