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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan,
Speaker 4: I'm Jaggers, and today we have a very special first
Speaker 4: time guest. It is Tyler from the Fittest Flat Earth
Speaker 4: or It's well. I originally found you on Instagram, but
Speaker 4: it seems like you really been hammering out not only.
Speaker 3: Flat Earth topics, but really just a lot.
Speaker 4: Of different conspiracies, especially people acting like there are other
Speaker 4: people dare we say, with face masks and whatnot. Very
Speaker 4: very fun rabbit hole to go down on your Instagram page.
Speaker 4: So welcome to the show for the first time, Tyler.
Speaker 5: Thank you, And yeah, I if they've lied to us
Speaker 5: about it, I'm digging into it. And Instagram is honestly
Speaker 5: probably my smallest platform. They for five months, they literally
Speaker 5: told me we are not going to allow your material
Speaker 5: to be seen by anyone new So if you followed
Speaker 5: me already, people could see my stuff. But I didn't
Speaker 5: go up one tick of a follower for five month,
Speaker 5: So that's slowed down my progress a little bit. Facebook,
Speaker 5: I'm actually really blowing up on lately. I think Facebook
Speaker 5: is quickly becoming actually the best platform for conspiracy and
Speaker 5: truth and TikTok is really where I kind of got
Speaker 5: my start.
Speaker 4: Wow, because we got canned off of Facebook, we got
Speaker 4: canned off of.
Speaker 3: YouTube, Instagram.
Speaker 4: We haven't had any issues with although I feel the
Speaker 4: same way that you know, the followers are definitely not
Speaker 4: rising up. And it's weird because I'll go on there
Speaker 4: and I'll see every day, you know, it goes up followers,
Speaker 4: but the numbers stays the same.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is going on here?
Speaker 4: So you're adding and then subtracting, and the algorithms, I mean,
Speaker 4: it seems like that whole platform, the whole meta platform
Speaker 4: with Facebook and Instagram and now fucking what's the other
Speaker 4: one threads, It just all seems very heavily manipulated, which
Speaker 4: obviously it would be. I mean, that's the reason why
Speaker 4: it's free. They can do whatever the fuck they want
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 1: I mean Facebook, the pendulum is kind of swinging the
Speaker 1: opposite direct.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard this as far as Facebook being like
Speaker 1: back on, so to speak. But I know, for a
Speaker 1: good minute there was seen as like the older generations
Speaker 1: social media platform. It's so like, Yeah, especially in certain
Speaker 1: communities of the truthers and the conspiracy heads, so to speak,
Speaker 1: Facebook was used as like for a certain demographic. I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that it was coming back in that way.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah. We my buddy Josh and I who's he's been
Speaker 5: in the truth in game forever, Josh Stone. He's got
Speaker 5: you know, I'll just plug in real quick, Josh Stone Truth.
Speaker 5: He's on everything, but mostly YouTube and Facebook. We always
Speaker 5: kind of refer to Facebook as like the baby Truthers area.
Speaker 5: But I really do think they're starting to censor TikTok
Speaker 5: more Like I can hardly put anything on there without
Speaker 5: getting flagged. And this time last year they were letting
Speaker 5: everything fly. And you know, I think that was the
Speaker 5: big thing with China stealing your information because they didn't
Speaker 5: want people to go on there and actually get some
Speaker 5: true things about you know. I think fight Earth was
Speaker 5: a big one, you know, and whether you're a flat
Speaker 5: Earth or a believer or not, that was not being
Speaker 5: censored on there like it was everywhere else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've kind of always really been on the
Speaker 4: whole TikTok side because dude, there's there's a bunch of wild,
Speaker 4: crazy rabbit holes that you can find on there, and
Speaker 4: it's not as censored as everything else, or at least
Speaker 4: it wasn't anyway. And it seems like as soon as
Speaker 4: fucking the USA dip their little fingers in the Chinese
Speaker 4: company and they were like, all right, we're gonna start censoring,
Speaker 4: which is interesting that you would get censoring on on
Speaker 4: behalf of your own country and not a country that
Speaker 4: we're not necessarily on amazing terms with, Jacob, you're the government.
Speaker 1: When did the US government stick their fingers into TikTok
Speaker 1: that's still one hundred percent owned by the CCP uh.
Speaker 5: The funny thing about that is, you know, like, like
Speaker 5: I said, I was telling people, like guys, throw all this.
Speaker 5: You know, like once you come to terms with like
Speaker 5: if they can all agree on Antarctica, like Antarctic Treaty
Speaker 5: and the VACS and all that, You're like, they're all
Speaker 5: the same people. China's US, And I'm like, US owns
Speaker 5: TikTok just as much as China does. And the other
Speaker 5: week I literally I don't watch football as much as
Speaker 5: I used to now that I'm awake and kind of
Speaker 5: just think it's all ranked and whatnot. But TikTok is
Speaker 5: a literal Thursday night advertiser on there, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: China really owns TikTok as NFL as having them as
Speaker 5: a sponsor, right right.
Speaker 4: It definitely seems like, you know, we look at the
Speaker 4: world as if there's borders and there's countries and there's
Speaker 4: different rules, and and sure there is, like you know,
Speaker 4: we have the Constitution and other countries have their own
Speaker 4: kind of rules to follow and whatnot. But it seems
Speaker 4: to me like, you know, there's a group of elite
Speaker 4: individuals and then there are people who are more patriotic
Speaker 4: as far as whatever country that you know they're from.
Speaker 4: And it seems like the the globalists, which is interesting
Speaker 4: that we're going to beginning into that today because we
Speaker 4: actually brought you on to really talk about flat earth,
Speaker 4: really get to know you a little bit since our
Speaker 4: first time having you on. But it does seem like
Speaker 4: there's a globalist kind of mafia, and then there's I mean,
Speaker 4: what is the other side. I don't I don't even
Speaker 4: know what you'd label it as I mean, is is
Speaker 4: Trump in that whole board? Is that just the good
Speaker 4: guys now?
Speaker 2: Or I don't see it?
Speaker 1: Kind of like the mafia sees it. Right, you have
Speaker 1: made men and you have suckers, and that's just what
Speaker 1: it is. It's not so you know, it's it could
Speaker 1: be their own blood, their own blood, brother whatever.
Speaker 2: Look, if you're not a made man, then you're a sucker.
Speaker 2: That's just what it is. There's the haves and the
Speaker 2: have nuts, and like that's just what it be.
Speaker 3: It seems like it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I you know, I don't vote. I don't
Speaker 5: subscribe to voting. I tried to get people not to
Speaker 5: vote just because, you know, from my personal perspective, they're
Speaker 5: all just you know, the same people. They're all just
Speaker 5: here to make us think we're small and in significant
Speaker 5: and pay taxes and don't really figure out where we
Speaker 5: are and who we are and all that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and it doesn't it seems the same on
Speaker 3: both ends.
Speaker 4: You know, they're basically just trying to herd the cattle
Speaker 4: on both sides, it seems like. But look, speaking of
Speaker 4: globalism and our resident globe tard, Jacob, you guys are
Speaker 4: probably going to disagree on quite a bit here. Although
Speaker 4: we have had plenty of great flat earthers on the show,
Speaker 4: David Weiss and plenty other ones, Like I mean, we've
Speaker 4: had some great conversations, and for some reason, Jacob is
Speaker 4: just unwilling to accept this as a reality that the
Speaker 4: Earth is flat. Can you do you think you might
Speaker 4: be able to convince him?
Speaker 3: Tyler?
Speaker 5: I think, if you know, I'm definitely not a debater.
Speaker 5: I think I present a lot of my information through
Speaker 5: visual information, So you know, sitting here having a conversation
Speaker 5: with you, no, absolutely not. I wish I would not
Speaker 5: be able to convince you. You know, as I was
Speaker 5: telling your partner before we came on, anyone who has
Speaker 5: had the Conspiracy Show for five or six hundred episodes
Speaker 5: and isn't there yet? I questioned, So I question you,
Speaker 5: But like I said to you guys at the beginning,
Speaker 5: I question everybody. I don't trust anyone. So that's not
Speaker 5: you know, don't take that personally, but I do wonder.
Speaker 4: I do wonder, Hey, is that is an og conspiracy mind?
Speaker 4: You got to question everything? And Jacob, I mean, damn,
Speaker 4: I just mean, look, it does make me question you
Speaker 4: bro a little bit.
Speaker 1: I give all props to the flat Earth movement because
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it the theorists, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to call it the group or the culture,
Speaker 1: because you throw labels on the group of people out
Speaker 1: there that believe in flat earth and it gets negative
Speaker 1: very quickly.
Speaker 2: So I'll just say the movement.
Speaker 1: I have mad respect for it because they have blown
Speaker 1: the lid off of so many other conspiracies that have
Speaker 1: all tied into the flat earth thing that while I
Speaker 1: may not agree with flat Earth, I also can't disagree
Speaker 1: with the points that were made about the map, certain
Speaker 1: things that NASA have absolutely lied to us about, certain
Speaker 1: things about an arcticle, like you know, I can't deny
Speaker 1: these things. I could still disagree with the premise of
Speaker 1: the thesis, but I can agree with a lot of
Speaker 1: the other things that are said.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: But with that being all out of here, I'm curious, now,
Speaker 1: you before we started shooting, you said that you were
Speaker 1: a teacher which grade and which subject.
Speaker 5: I was a high school strength and conditioning teacher in
Speaker 5: Illinois for close to twenty years.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so when you so you never taught anything
Speaker 1: as far as like science or physics or anything like
Speaker 1: that as far as the curriculum goes right right, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So when you decided to how long have you been
Speaker 1: of the belief that the Earth is flat?
Speaker 5: I would say about a year and a half, probably
Speaker 5: June of twenty twenty three is when I, you know,
Speaker 5: I had been researching it and really started, you know,
Speaker 5: like I'd gone down the rabbit hole on a lot
Speaker 5: of different things, and I really knew that I was
Speaker 5: being about everything and was on TikTok and kept seeing it,
Speaker 5: and you know, obviously I didn't just see it on
Speaker 5: TikTok and believe it. But they were saying things that
Speaker 5: I wasn't seeing other places, like hey, you see Chicago,
Speaker 5: And I was like, I lived by Chicago. I've seen
Speaker 5: Chicago a lot. I went to school in Indiana. I
Speaker 5: could see Chicago across Lake Michigan. I didn't realize seeing
Speaker 5: that all the time was actually supposedly a mirage. That's
Speaker 5: only way they tell you you can see it from
Speaker 5: sixty miles away. And I was like, well, I saw
Speaker 5: that a lot, and I know I wasn't seeing a mirage.
Speaker 5: So that was the final kind of like pushed me
Speaker 5: over the Edge in June of twenty twenty three that
Speaker 5: I really made the you know, the decision that I
Speaker 5: knew I didn't live where I thought I lived for
Speaker 5: the first forty two years of my life.
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about I'm convert. You know what's
Speaker 4: interesting about a mirage, bro, is that, you know, it
Speaker 4: kind of seems like, you know, a mirage to me
Speaker 4: is like you're tripping when you're seeing it. You know,
Speaker 4: It's like I feel like whenever the the collective majority
Speaker 4: can see something, it's no longer a mirage, right, Like
Speaker 4: that's just psychologically how I look at it.
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: Like it.
Speaker 3: You know, you see like those.
Speaker 4: Movies where you're in the desert and you're star for
Speaker 4: water and you know, you're like you're starting to lose
Speaker 4: your mind, so you're starting to see things. That's what
Speaker 4: I think of as a mirage. But to say that
Speaker 4: a mirage is that you're looking across a fucking lake
Speaker 4: sixty miles away and what you're seeing is basically just
Speaker 4: your imagination. Like, I don't buy that. And so I
Speaker 4: think that the flat earthers are definitely onto something there,
Speaker 4: And you know, I don't really know what to make
Speaker 4: of it. It could it possibly be that just their
Speaker 4: math is wrong, that what is it like one inch
Speaker 4: for every mile or something like that of curvature?
Speaker 5: Yeah, eight inches per mile squared. And you know, like
Speaker 5: when I first was coming into these thoughts and really
Speaker 5: thinking about it, you know, I question, I'm like, am
Speaker 5: I is this really happening? Am I really like maybe
Speaker 5: there or just off in the math. But then once,
Speaker 5: you like once you accept it, and you're kind of
Speaker 5: like out of the programming and you just think of
Speaker 5: things as simple as water, and you know, you have
Speaker 5: to think that water can defy anything you have ever
Speaker 5: seen it do and in your entire life to literally
Speaker 5: wrap around a ball and be sticking upside down to it.
Speaker 5: But more so the curvature aspect. You know, water just
Speaker 5: at rest doesn't have curvature. And you know, I lived
Speaker 5: down Lake Michigan for forty two years and I knew that,
Speaker 5: and I would look out and you know, I would
Speaker 5: just you know, I would see in the distance and
Speaker 5: I would see that you know, you can only see
Speaker 5: so far supposedly, but and you could, you know, if
Speaker 5: you think of Lake Michigan as like a paper towel role.
Speaker 5: You know, you look far and you're like, Okay, you
Speaker 5: can't see curvature because you can't see it far enough.
Speaker 5: But then when I would scroll left and pan right,
Speaker 5: I could literally see a distance of thirty miles to
Speaker 5: the left and thirty miles to the right, and it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 5: there's no curvature going forward. But then I look left
Speaker 5: and I look right too, and you know, just once
Speaker 5: you kind of get out of that matrix and that programming,
Speaker 5: believing that water can curve is literally as silly as
Speaker 5: thinking sand are you? You know, when I used to
Speaker 5: believe Santa Claus would come down to my chimney and
Speaker 5: leave me presence and take good bite out of a cookie,
Speaker 5: it just it literally becomes that that ridiculous. And I
Speaker 5: don't mean that disrespectfully or anything like that, but for me,
Speaker 5: I like, how did I believe that for so long?
Speaker 2: So was flat Earth? Your first red pill moment, so to.
Speaker 1: Speak, was the first time I really questioned the narrative
Speaker 1: around us and all of these things that were you
Speaker 1: kind of already on the truth or movement prior to this,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 5: Say nine to eleven, I was pretty aware of like
Speaker 5: you know, twenty years ago, but for whatever reason. And
Speaker 5: the crazy part is is I saw a video on
Speaker 5: YouTube many many years ago, and there were like three
Speaker 5: different explanations of what actually happened on nine to eleven,
Speaker 5: and it was, you know, the planes did it, or
Speaker 5: the gas burned it down, or controlled demolition or this
Speaker 5: crazy technology like technologically advanced weapon. And at the time,
Speaker 5: back in like you know, two thousand and three, I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: that seems crazy. I've never seen anything like that. I've
Speaker 5: never heard anything like that. But the explanation of the video,
Speaker 5: I was like, that literally makes the most sense when
Speaker 5: you look at the cars that were burn miles away,
Speaker 5: how the buildings turned to dust. Just everything about it
Speaker 5: made sense. So I literally was of the belief twenty
Speaker 5: years ago that a direct energy weapon did nine to eleven.
Speaker 5: But that didn't lead me down other rabbit holes. For
Speaker 5: whatever reason, I think I convinced myself that it was
Speaker 5: like a pearl harbor, let's do this false flag to
Speaker 5: start a war to maybe save a million lives, you know,
Speaker 5: sacrifice the few for the good of the many. And
Speaker 5: I don't know, it just didn't lead me down other
Speaker 5: rabbit holes. I was, you know, as a strength and
Speaker 5: conditioning teacher. I was always pretty into health and nutrition,
Speaker 5: so I knew that big Pharma was nonsense, and I
Speaker 5: knew that the food pyramid and all that was nonsense.
Speaker 5: But it wasn't literally until my dog was I'm a
Speaker 5: dog dad. I have no kids. There wasn't until like
Speaker 5: a year and a half ago, when my fifteen year
Speaker 5: old dog was kind of on his last leg. And
Speaker 5: I wasn't a believer in God. I wasn't, you know.
Speaker 5: I was born into a Catholic family, but quickly got
Speaker 5: turned away from that from the public indoctrination and going
Speaker 5: to Sunday School.
Speaker 1: As most young Catholic kids do. They typically turn from
Speaker 1: the faith when they start thinking for themselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. So I'm sitting here as a forty two
Speaker 5: year old man. My dog, who is my child is like?
Speaker 5: Who was?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: My world is pretty close to dying, and I think
Speaker 5: I just started questioning, like, well, is there more to
Speaker 5: this place? And really started to go down the near
Speaker 5: death experience rabbit holes. And also at the same time,
Speaker 5: I was like, well, I know they are aliens. There
Speaker 5: have to be aliens because I live in this never
Speaker 5: ending expansive universe with infinite galaxies and planets, and there's
Speaker 5: been UFOs here, and so I literally started going down
Speaker 5: rabbit holes thinking I was going to prove near death
Speaker 5: experiences were fake and aliens were real and laws.
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: I love how your when you start questioning what happens
Speaker 1: after we die.
Speaker 2: First things, first, aliens are real.
Speaker 1: Second thing we got like, yo, hold on, how how
Speaker 1: did near death experiences and alien crash landings make sense
Speaker 1: in blend? What did that Vin diagram look like in
Speaker 1: your brain?
Speaker 5: Bro? Well, it was really more of just starting to
Speaker 5: not accept the narrative of what I have been told.
Speaker 4: H No, I actually came to the same conclusion around
Speaker 4: the same things as well. Like I got heavily into
Speaker 4: uh near death experiences, which is what led me to
Speaker 4: you know, sad Guru and Dolores Cannon and all the
Speaker 4: different spiritual philosophies, and you know, uh looking into all
Speaker 4: the Dolores Cannon books, and I became the you know,
Speaker 4: the hypno thing therapists and the past life progression is
Speaker 4: and I love that kind of stuff. And in still
Speaker 4: to this day, I go and visit the enderf dot
Speaker 4: org website to read all the different near death experiences
Speaker 4: and it is a lot to process because everybody, it
Speaker 4: seems like, is experiencing something different whenever they temporarily die,
Speaker 4: and it is it's a weird hole to go into
Speaker 4: and so and then you relay that with aliens because
Speaker 4: a lot of them are talking about, well, they saw
Speaker 4: these l like beings these in these near death experiences
Speaker 4: and it is crazy, dude, And I don't really know
Speaker 4: what to believe, but I just think that all we
Speaker 4: are is just consciousness you want to call it a
Speaker 4: soul or a spirit or whatever the hell it is, Like,
Speaker 4: this is just a temporary place, wherever the hell we're at.
Speaker 4: And that's what causes me to think that we're kind
Speaker 4: of like in this waking dream kind of world where
Speaker 4: we don't you know, we think we know what is
Speaker 4: going on. We think that whenever Rachel Maddow gets in
Speaker 4: front of a fucking microphone on CNN, we think that
Speaker 4: she's actually saying and she's actually reporting the news and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. But whenever you really break it all down, dude,
Speaker 4: it's like it's like we're we're we're living in a
Speaker 4: fucking video game, and everybody's just lying, Like why has
Speaker 4: everybody got to be a bunch of lying liars about everything?
Speaker 3: Like what is there to hide?
Speaker 4: So I get, you know, the curiosity as far as
Speaker 4: aliens and end of easgo.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm here with it, so with.
Speaker 1: The alien side of the things. And you are a
Speaker 1: flat earth of these days? Do you believe in extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: life or what do you think that those are?
Speaker 2: In reality? Where you stand these days?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I definitely believe in you know, I
Speaker 5: don't think we're even here alone like walking around in
Speaker 5: the streets. I think there's definitely something here with us.
Speaker 5: I tend to think it's fallen, fallen angel in nature.
Speaker 5: I think there are probably demons here that can literally
Speaker 5: in our bodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're somebody of a non real background, you you
Speaker 1: believe that they are angelic and demonic entities.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say I'm not religious, but I I
Speaker 5: do strongly believe in the Bible.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: You know, for me, as I was waking up and
Speaker 5: doing this research on things, things kept coming back that
Speaker 5: rang true and were in the Bible, like the firmament.
Speaker 5: Like you know, I was a full on believer in
Speaker 5: flat Earth and that there was a protective enclosure above
Speaker 5: us before I ever even knew it was in the Bible.
Speaker 5: And then one day I was in Florida at a
Speaker 5: at a friend's dad's funeral in a hotel and it
Speaker 5: was rainy day and I the Bible was sitting there
Speaker 5: and I literally had never picked up a Bible other
Speaker 5: than to like move it out of my way at
Speaker 5: a funeral or a wedding. And I was like, well,
Speaker 5: and I picked it up and like the firmament, just
Speaker 5: like bam. I was like, Okay, there's been some truth
Speaker 5: in this book that I thought has been nonsense my
Speaker 5: whole life. What else? What else is there that they're
Speaker 5: hiding from me? And then you know, started to go
Speaker 5: down the.
Speaker 2: Hide hiding playing site.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not not just at foot giants, but like
Speaker 5: titans that were miles tall, and they were talked about
Speaker 5: in the Bible, and dragons are talked about in the Bible.
Speaker 5: So I'm a I'm a big believer in the Bible.
Speaker 5: I'm not a big believer in organized religion. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I do think there is something, you know, I truly
Speaker 5: do think there are fallen angels down here. I've done
Speaker 5: a few videos on how I honestly think Elvis might
Speaker 5: be Lucifer.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, so you believe the extraterrestrial is the fallen
Speaker 1: the crash landed craft, these types of things, you believe
Speaker 1: that those are extraterrestrial or do you believe that those
Speaker 1: are more demonic and angelic based?
Speaker 5: Well, I think any craft I think potentially could be
Speaker 5: fallen angel technology that the you know, government is reverse engineered.
Speaker 5: I don't think any bottom line is I feel like
Speaker 5: I know and not believe, is that there are no
Speaker 5: aliens coming from other galaxies and trillions of miles away.
Speaker 5: I think it's all here, dimensional things, spiritual things, things
Speaker 5: coming from outside the firmament or maybe from in the Earth.
Speaker 5: So just to be clear on that, Okay, fair.
Speaker 3: Enough, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: And and as a matter of fact, I mean they
Speaker 4: just had the UFO hearing and they basically admitted that
Speaker 4: a lot of the aliens, not all of them, but
Speaker 4: a lot of them seem to be like coming out
Speaker 4: of our oceans and whatnot. So I mean there's something
Speaker 4: about that in the Bible, isn't.
Speaker 2: There There is?
Speaker 1: Indeed, I mean some of the crime the water and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like the Leviathan and things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, basically that there is, like, you know, some
Speaker 4: shit going on in the water.
Speaker 3: And I always found it quite.
Speaker 4: Peculiar that we're, you know, we're we're searching outer space
Speaker 4: before we even search our fucking oceans. It just I
Speaker 4: don't know, Yeah, it seems like the Bible checks out
Speaker 4: on another thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I wanted you guys one of you mentioned Rachel maddout
Speaker 5: and did you guys see my my post on her or.
Speaker 3: No, no, I haven't seen that. What's up with Rachel Mattow?
Speaker 5: Well, I think I think there's a chance that Rachel
Speaker 5: Mattow and I've improven this yet, you know, like a
Speaker 5: lot of the celebrities playing multiple roles, or someone dying
Speaker 5: and then coming back to someone else. I think I
Speaker 5: provide a lot of really good evidence on that. You know,
Speaker 5: I think summer speculation, but I think I'm really good
Speaker 5: at finding facial anomalies, like really specific moles and different
Speaker 5: things that would be really really coincidental for the same
Speaker 5: two people to have, especially when those same people are
Speaker 5: look similar and have similar mannerisms and things like that. Anyway,
Speaker 5: I think there's a chance that Rachel Maddow is Chandler
Speaker 5: being aka Matthew Perry.
Speaker 4: WHOA Okay, so the facial alignments align.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's very similar symmetry to their faces. Rachel Maddow
Speaker 5: has a scar that looks like an Adams apple would
Speaker 5: have been removed. There was a lot of like a
Speaker 5: side by side, they literally look like they could be
Speaker 5: the same person if you feminize him. And then Matthew
Speaker 5: Perry was doing a lot of cryptic Batman messages in
Speaker 5: his Instagram and different things before he died, and Rachel
Speaker 5: Maddow just happened to around that same time be a
Speaker 5: voice character for like a new Batman TV show that
Speaker 5: was out, So there were a lot of things to it.
Speaker 5: I'm still in the process of it, but I like
Speaker 5: I'm fifty percent there right now thinking that that is
Speaker 5: an actuality.
Speaker 3: Wow, you know what you heard this one?
Speaker 4: You know, as far as like you know, certain actors
Speaker 4: playing different characters in the real world, I absolutely think
Speaker 4: that that could be a thing. They are actors, you know,
Speaker 4: like we think that they're only actors whenever they're you know,
Speaker 4: on a movie for fucking Paramount or something or Universal
Speaker 4: Studios or something like that. But I think the real
Speaker 4: Universal Studios is here like it's Earth and it is
Speaker 4: to you know, essentially deceive, and you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: why else are they all selling out to what seems
Speaker 4: like the Illuminati, always holding up the Illuminati triangle, always
Speaker 4: got you know, one eye covered, Like why would you
Speaker 4: need to do that if you're just making movies? You know,
Speaker 4: like it seems like there's more to the story than
Speaker 4: what we're you know, what we're led to believe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, and you know, like people that will argue
Speaker 5: with me and they're like, it's just not happening that
Speaker 5: there's it's too hard to believe, and exactly what you said,
Speaker 5: I'm like, is it really that hard to believe that
Speaker 5: someone who is an actor that puts on costumes and
Speaker 5: puts on personas and literally is acting as someone different
Speaker 5: would just do that at a higher level than you're realizing,
Speaker 5: like parading around as a supposed real individual. So you know,
Speaker 5: there are some I do that are speculative, and there
Speaker 5: are some that I've done that I'm sure I'm dead
Speaker 5: sure on, you know, Brad Pitt being Benicio del Toro,
Speaker 5: dead Cheiron, Jim Morrison dying and coming back as Rush Limbaugh,
Speaker 5: I'm dead schir.
Speaker 2: On, so Limbaugh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sam, Now you you mentioned Elvis possibly being Satan,
Speaker 4: which I saw the one that you did as far
Speaker 4: as and I've seen others also, you know, try and
Speaker 4: cover that one as well as far as Elvis being Trump,
Speaker 4: and I thought that is pretty interesting. They were born
Speaker 4: kind of around the same era, and so I started
Speaker 4: looking it up. There's only an eleven year difference. And
Speaker 4: with all the makeup that Trump wears, I mean, look
Speaker 4: how many people wear makeup, And it's like you you
Speaker 4: take off your makeup and you look five or six
Speaker 4: years older, and then you put makeup on, you're you're
Speaker 4: looking a little bit younger. And I'm not even talking
Speaker 4: about just women. I'm talking about life.
Speaker 1: Was a blonde in the he dyed his hair blacks
Speaker 1: that it looked better on the black and white television,
Speaker 1: but he was born blonde.
Speaker 4: Like in the entertainment industry, they're always putting makeup on,
Speaker 4: like news anchors are putting makeup on. So it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, there is something to do with that, but
Speaker 4: like what would be the reason? First off, let me
Speaker 4: ask you, why do you think that Elvis would be
Speaker 4: Satan incarnated?
Speaker 5: So when I first did this Elvis video, or when
Speaker 5: I first started having these thoughts, one of the first
Speaker 5: things that kind of woke me up was just seeing
Speaker 5: really unusual anomalies and videos and you know, seeing people
Speaker 5: glitch out seeing you know, I don't do you guys
Speaker 5: ever see the general Petraeus video where he faints in
Speaker 5: the middle of like a hearing. Have you seen that one?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, So you know.
Speaker 5: I just found some crazy things with that, with like
Speaker 5: his eyes changing, and like, these aren't things that people
Speaker 5: were like bringing to the forefront. And I wasn't seeing
Speaker 5: on TikTok. I was going to like the CNN video
Speaker 5: and the ABC video, and there was just some weird
Speaker 5: things that really made me think that Petraeus was not human,
Speaker 5: you know, like he was actually either had some sort
Speaker 5: of holographic tech to hide what he actually looked like.
Speaker 5: So I was kind of digging down these rabbit holes
Speaker 5: really thinking that there were other beings here. And then
Speaker 5: I saw the same thing with Elvis. I saw his
Speaker 5: hair glitching. I saw there's a video where his eyes
Speaker 5: like literally pop out of his head after he kisses
Speaker 5: this little girl, and just really once I really started
Speaker 5: thinking there were other beings here. I just started, you know,
Speaker 5: researching different things, and Elvis, for some reason, stuck out
Speaker 5: because I was, you know, really of the belief that
Speaker 5: what the Bible said about the fallen angels coming down
Speaker 5: here and Lucifer wanting to be worshiped like God instead
Speaker 5: of worshiping God. And you know, if you come down
Speaker 5: here and you're a fallen angel and you want to
Speaker 5: be worshiped, and there's some things that say Lucifer was
Speaker 5: the minister of music in heaven. Right, who else has
Speaker 5: ever been more worshiped in the entire world than Elvis?
Speaker 5: So you know, I think I started.
Speaker 2: And he went to Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I always heard that the Nephelimic spirit inside of l
Speaker 1: jumped to Michael Jackson's body and that's why he was
Speaker 1: the Prince of pop and all of these things.
Speaker 2: This was the king of rock, and you see, that
Speaker 2: was always it.
Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, and I don't you know, I
Speaker 5: only can speculate and provide some evidence that I find what,
Speaker 5: you know, I would not say that I know that one,
Speaker 5: like I know Brad Pitt plays Benisio del Toro. But
Speaker 5: you know, just some things add up, and especially you know,
Speaker 5: when you look at some of the things, like Elvis's name,
Speaker 5: even starting with Elle, there's you know, most of the
Speaker 5: angels and in el Michael, Gabriel, Azazel. So there's there's
Speaker 5: a lot of things that makes sense to me when
Speaker 5: I look into it. And then you know, I don't
Speaker 5: claim to know how it works. You know, there's if
Speaker 5: that spirit did leave Elvis, maybe it did go into Trump,
Speaker 5: or maybe somehow they just transitioned into Trump. There are
Speaker 5: a lot of people that think Elvis is Bob Joyce.
Speaker 5: I don't know what I think.
Speaker 4: I've seen that one, the Bob Joyce one. That that one,
Speaker 4: you know, it kind of checks out. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, you know, you hear about Elvis and uh,
Speaker 4: you know he he obviously had a drug problem. Allegedly
Speaker 4: that's how he died. Was because of heroin or something,
Speaker 4: wasn't it.
Speaker 5: Allegedly? Yeah, right on the toilet. I think drug overdose
Speaker 5: on the toilet, right right. I'm to the point where
Speaker 5: I don't believe a single story about a single celebrity
Speaker 5: that is that has died anymore, because I've just you know,
Speaker 5: I give me one and I'll find them. Pretty much.
Speaker 5: There's there they're just all lies in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Right, And and going back to uh chand la bang,
Speaker 4: my little bengaling, the fucking what's his name?
Speaker 3: Matthew Perry?
Speaker 4: It is interesting because now if you're looking at it
Speaker 4: through this lens, and Matthew Perry is scared for his life,
Speaker 4: well what life.
Speaker 3: Is he actually scared for?
Speaker 4: Is he is he worried that he's going to lose
Speaker 4: the life of you know, the friend's character or or
Speaker 4: just the character of Matthew Perry seemingly you know, just
Speaker 4: living a normal human life. And and you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, like, is it almost like a reincarnation kind
Speaker 4: of thing. I know a lot of people don't believe
Speaker 4: in reincarnation.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 4: And and what happens whenever you do reincarnate, does you know,
Speaker 4: to all your memories and all that shit go with you?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. But like, is it.
Speaker 4: Possible that Matthew Perry was scared to lose his current
Speaker 4: life and he knew that he was going to be
Speaker 4: like reincarnated as Rachel Maddow or would take over that
Speaker 4: role of Rachel Maddow Or do you think that he's
Speaker 4: always been Rachel Maddow let's ask that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that there probably was or is an
Speaker 5: actual Rachel Maddow. And I think that he probably And
Speaker 5: you know, it's like they're they're really good at this,
Speaker 5: you know, they they're not just you know, they'll have
Speaker 5: multiple people play the role, so it's so you can say, like,
Speaker 5: you know, like for example, I did the Benisio Brad
Speaker 5: or Benicio del Toro and Brad Pitt. But I do
Speaker 5: think other people play Benisio with Delturo. I think he's
Speaker 5: a character, and different celebrities have cycled through. I think
Speaker 5: Leonardo DiCaprio has done it. I think Tom Hanks has
Speaker 5: done it, you know, and they do that to throw
Speaker 5: you off the set a little bit, and I think, well,
Speaker 5: Rachel Maddow might actually exist, you know. I think there
Speaker 5: are these people play a role for a certain amount
Speaker 5: of time and then whatever it's contracted or what, they
Speaker 5: then switch. And I think a lot of it is
Speaker 5: kind of doing like a duality thing, you know, like
Speaker 5: so Jim Morrison was this party drug dude, and then
Speaker 5: he transitions into Rush Wimbaugh is like very right wing
Speaker 5: in like completely different. I think they're just trying to
Speaker 5: play the duality side of things for whatever reason. So
Speaker 5: I think Rachel Maddow has probably transitioned into somebody else
Speaker 5: and Chandler Bang Matthew Perry has now taken on this role,
Speaker 5: and I think he's probably parading around as her permanently.
Speaker 4: And kind of checks out though if you really think
Speaker 4: about it, like you know, especially if they're all like
Speaker 4: into the occult, and I love covering the occult, like
Speaker 4: I'm I love that kind of stuff, just learning about
Speaker 4: all of it. I definitely wouldn't be practicing the dark
Speaker 4: side of it, that's for fucking sure. But you see
Speaker 4: that within the occult, there's always a positive side and
Speaker 4: a negative side. You know, you could have in tarot,
Speaker 4: you could have the card right side up or or
Speaker 4: turned upside down, and there's two different meanings. You have
Speaker 4: the sun and then you have the black son, and
Speaker 4: there's always like this this weird balance of the positive
Speaker 4: and the negative.
Speaker 3: And if you think about.
Speaker 4: It, that kind of would be you know what Matthew
Speaker 4: Perry was kind of standing for. You know, he was
Speaker 4: the lovable chandler bing as the positive, and then you
Speaker 4: would have one of the most hated women in the
Speaker 4: fucking world on CNN or whatever, as Rachel Maddow. So
Speaker 4: it does kind of you know, check out at least
Speaker 4: as far as the occult.
Speaker 5: Goes bing exactly.
Speaker 4: Damn yeah, I might be on some shit, dude, Jacob,
Speaker 4: What do you think about you know, certain actors playing
Speaker 4: different roles like that We've covered, you know how Joe
Speaker 4: Biden might be Jim Carrey, or he might be what
Speaker 4: was the other one, the guy from Scary movie he
Speaker 4: was the priest.
Speaker 1: I think it's in just me personally, I think it's
Speaker 1: way more likely that they've been cloned rather than their
Speaker 1: being acted by other people. Now, not all cases, I
Speaker 1: believe there are definitely some that the Rush Limball thing
Speaker 1: that's funny because hell, even Family Guy got a jab
Speaker 1: in it at once upon a time of somebody playing
Speaker 1: Rush Limbaugh.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, it.
Speaker 1: Was like he had like eight different costumes in his
Speaker 1: closet or something, and that was one of them. So
Speaker 1: I mean, and because Rush was such a fat, chubby,
Speaker 1: disgusting shithead that like people, it could be anybody, so
Speaker 1: many people could have been wearing a fat suit, so
Speaker 1: like it's fun, you know what I mean. But for
Speaker 1: Joe Biden don't I could see how the Jim Carrey
Speaker 1: thing could line up. I think Jim Carrey's too good
Speaker 1: of an actor for that shitty of a role like that.
Speaker 1: One makes more sense to me that that's like a
Speaker 1: clone that keeps like slowly crumbling because they're not, uh,
Speaker 1: they're not built to last.
Speaker 4: Who's to say that wasn't the script though, you know,
Speaker 4: like that could just be the script. Like I'm sure
Speaker 4: fucking Dustin Hoffman he was just like, well, let me,
Speaker 4: what would a rain man be like, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 3: And just act like that? You know, it's like.
Speaker 1: What did his mething acted look like at that time?
Speaker 1: He just go in insane asylum and just like scope
Speaker 1: people out.
Speaker 4: Right right and and so, and that's what they do,
Speaker 4: Like a lot of the great actors, they study the
Speaker 4: roles of you know, people in real life and stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: So it wouldn't be that crazy. I mean, you think
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: Just just using Jim Carrey as an example, he's one
Speaker 4: of my favorite actors of all time. I think he's
Speaker 4: a little fucking unhinged nowadays, but whatever, He's probably always
Speaker 4: been that way.
Speaker 3: But you see him literally always wearing a different mask, well,
Speaker 3: I mean there was the mask that he played as
Speaker 3: he was the fucking Grinch, you know, like and all
Speaker 3: like so many the other like amazing characters. As far
Speaker 3: as his method acting go, he was the fucking what
Speaker 3: was the one where he actually like went crazy as
Speaker 3: the character.
Speaker 2: Oh uh man on the moon? The yeah yeah yeah story.
Speaker 4: Yeah Andy Kaufman, Right, And you could see you could
Speaker 4: see how that could translate to what we call real life, right,
Speaker 4: like why why wouldn't he be able to pull something
Speaker 4: like that off?
Speaker 5: Have you got me good? Do you guys know that
Speaker 5: that's like like the Jim Carrey Joe Biden thing is,
Speaker 5: that's like, that's me that does that most of the time.
Speaker 5: That like I was kind of the originator of that.
Speaker 5: I've got like probably a dozen videos of exact, you know,
Speaker 5: reenactments of seeing Jim Carrey has done specifically to that
Speaker 5: walk that he that Joe Biden does from the helicopter
Speaker 5: up to Air Force one. But I've I've put together
Speaker 5: so many and living color things. There's endless especially when
Speaker 5: Joe Biden falls. When he falls, there is always a
Speaker 5: Jim Carrey or when Biden falls, Yeah, there's always an
Speaker 5: exact Jim Carrey replica from something Wow.
Speaker 1: You also started doing all this about a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago too, then, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all, like literally I was nose down and teaching
Speaker 5: and coaching and you know, my own kind of fitness pursuits,
Speaker 5: and this just hit me like a ton of ton
Speaker 5: of bricks and felt compelled to start making content on
Speaker 5: it because no one in my real life, no one ever,
Speaker 5: you know, in my teaching life, none of my friends
Speaker 5: or family wanted to hear anything of it. So I
Speaker 5: was like, well, I'm seeing this stuff. I know, I'm
Speaker 5: not losing my mind, so maybe I'll put it out
Speaker 5: to the internet world. And you know, who knew that
Speaker 5: coaching and teaching strength and conditioning for twenty years would
Speaker 5: somehow lead to being pretty decent at content creating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're you're kind of working a crowd
Speaker 1: in a way, shape and form when you're you know,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: A teacher by nature, I like it.
Speaker 5: Yeah right right?
Speaker 1: So, okay, so about a year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: you said you've always kind of been on the belief
Speaker 1: that nine to eleven has been an inside job, or
Speaker 1: at least that the story hasn't been what they told
Speaker 1: us initially all right, but about year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: This is after COVID, after the masks, after the jabs,
Speaker 1: after all of that kind of got pulled back and
Speaker 1: life got back to somewhat normalcy. That's when you really
Speaker 1: started delving into other things and looking at you know,
Speaker 1: the world from a different perspective. So when you really
Speaker 1: started to get more into the flat earth conversation.
Speaker 2: What was it that did it for you?
Speaker 1: That was like, yep, that clearly we're on a flat
Speaker 1: plant positionance.
Speaker 2: You brought up water a minute ago, and my only.
Speaker 1: And Jonathan, you and I have talked about this as well,
Speaker 1: the surface tension of water, right, and that would be
Speaker 1: how I would explain the.
Speaker 2: Ball earth and the water situation.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Jonathan be giving me the
Speaker 1: ability to share the screen real quick. I have a
Speaker 1: video that I took to kind of show this. I
Speaker 1: took it a about two months ago. I had a
Speaker 1: feeling we would be needing it eventually. All right, can
Speaker 1: y'all both see it?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 2: All right, real quick.
Speaker 1: For anybody who is just listening it would like to
Speaker 1: see what I am showing, Jonathan, tell them where they
Speaker 1: can go.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, all right, so this is in about along
Speaker 1: the side. That's a little it's a cup, okay, and
Speaker 1: it's top to bottom full of water. Now you can
Speaker 1: maybe you could see a little bit of that bubble
Speaker 1: of that surface tension of the water on the top side.
Speaker 1: But watch what happens whenever I move it. You can
Speaker 1: see that the water is full but not spilling over
Speaker 1: the side. You see how it's kind of doing that
Speaker 1: gel movement on the top right there. That is water
Speaker 1: with its surface tension. Now that's in a small cup.
Speaker 1: That's in a very small cup, and that's a very
Speaker 1: isolated example. But I am of the belief that if
Speaker 1: you were to do that with a large enough body
Speaker 1: of water across a large enough scope i e.
Speaker 2: The planet, the water.
Speaker 1: Would kind of connect and you know, stick to each
Speaker 1: other in a surface tension like fashion. And then I
Speaker 1: also believe in gravity. Is that only that is just
Speaker 1: from my globe TRD perspective?
Speaker 3: Is that only like.
Speaker 5: Big physics or stuff like that? I don't like it.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I was gonna say, is that only like
Speaker 4: big physics?
Speaker 3: You know how like metaphysics?
Speaker 4: You know down in quantum physics, everything's tiny or so
Speaker 4: it has a different set of physics. Are we talking
Speaker 4: about all right? Well, yeah, you got a cup. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I get it.
Speaker 1: You know, the water in the real world, yeah, the
Speaker 1: not the atomic level.
Speaker 4: Sure, No, I That's what I'm trying to figure out,
Speaker 4: because I don't know if you would be a to
Speaker 4: replicate putting water on the outside of a ball and
Speaker 4: it having that same effect. Because you're you're showing that
Speaker 4: that water can it can rise above the lip, which
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's questioning that's that's pretty cool. But
Speaker 4: are you seeing it curve all the way around that cup?
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think you are you know, we.
Speaker 1: Don't have a way of making another planet our equal
Speaker 1: size to try to replicate it. So anything so it's
Speaker 1: trying to make replicable is thrown out immediately.
Speaker 4: So physics is is different on a larger scale, which
Speaker 4: is what I was asking you.
Speaker 1: I didn't say physics is different at a larger scale.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that water has a surface tension, So like,
Speaker 1: how does water stick together in a place and do
Speaker 1: like it does?
Speaker 2: That would be one of the things about it.
Speaker 4: Right, But you wouldn't be able to replicate you know,
Speaker 4: putting that on a ball.
Speaker 5: Especially spending miles per hour, and you know all the
Speaker 5: other different things that's doing.
Speaker 1: And no, until somebody makes a way to make another planet,
Speaker 1: we won't be able to replicate that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but physics is physics. You should be able
Speaker 3: to do it here at the real level. That's what
Speaker 3: you said.
Speaker 4: It's real physics, not tiny physics. So if you can
Speaker 4: do it on a large scale and the physics applied
Speaker 4: to a large scale, you should be able to apply
Speaker 4: it to the small scale.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I can't make I can't make a gallon of water
Speaker 1: fit into a cubic inch of space.
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen.
Speaker 3: Nobody can. And that's the point that he's trying to
Speaker 3: make here.
Speaker 2: Well, I must be missing it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: No, The point is, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I don't think I don't think anyone's going to
Speaker 5: convince you of anything. I think, you know, you need
Speaker 5: to do the research yourself. Like I made the mistake
Speaker 5: for many many months thinking because I figured this out,
Speaker 5: I'd be able to convince other people. But I don't
Speaker 5: think I've convinced one single person in my real life
Speaker 5: that they don't live on a globe. But it's got
Speaker 5: to be self seeking information. And you know, you asked
Speaker 5: me in the beginning, what was one of the things,
Speaker 5: and yeah, see in Chicago from sixty miles away and
Speaker 5: seeing the buildings standing straight up, you know they're obviously
Speaker 5: there are different reasons why you might not be able
Speaker 5: to see the bottom of the buildings that could explain
Speaker 5: it other than living on a ball, like you know,
Speaker 5: the density of the atmosphere and perspective and different things.
Speaker 5: But that aside. One of the things that really sold
Speaker 5: it for me was just the north star in Polarius
Speaker 5: and it just never moving. And you know, this isn't
Speaker 5: as much about flat Earth as it is about being
Speaker 5: stationary and everything moving around us.
Speaker 1: And with that, they say that we used to have
Speaker 1: a different north star. What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I wasn't there. I can't prove that,
Speaker 5: so I try. Once I woke up to everything, I
Speaker 5: literally threw every single thing I thought I knew away
Speaker 5: and I started fresh, and I really try to base
Speaker 5: my thoughts and beliefs on things I can witness and
Speaker 5: experience and you know research. A lot of the things
Speaker 5: I consider knowledge now isn't things I find on the internet,
Speaker 5: but things I disprove that they're telling us as truth,
Speaker 5: because then I can at least say, well, even though
Speaker 5: that's not true, or even you know that might not
Speaker 5: be true, but I know it's not the truth, if
Speaker 5: that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I A no, Yeah, I I I get it.
Speaker 4: And you know, some people it's it's easier to believe
Speaker 4: what you've been told than to go out and search
Speaker 4: for it and find the truth for yourself, which I
Speaker 4: which is why I love you know, flat Earth. There's
Speaker 4: so much because you know, you are going to get
Speaker 4: a lot of flak on on either side. Really, like
Speaker 4: a lot of people are gonna look at you, you're
Speaker 4: gonna feel like you're you're kind of like, uh an
Speaker 4: outcast where uh you know what, because whenever I got
Speaker 4: into flat Earth, I wanted to fucking tell everybody about it, dude.
Speaker 4: Like I was going, I was talking everybody at work.
Speaker 4: I was talking to my family members, all my friends.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: I even wanted to like indoctrinate my daughter into all
Speaker 4: the flat earth shit, like I was going really hard
Speaker 4: into it. And because it is one of those things
Speaker 4: to where it would be the biggest lie ever, it
Speaker 4: would it would have to be the biggest lie ever
Speaker 4: that that we live on a flat surface and they
Speaker 4: tell us that it's a ball, and and how like
Speaker 4: if all right, if the Earth actually is flat and
Speaker 4: you convinced billions of people that we live on a ball,
Speaker 4: like you're telling people, don't trust what your eyes tell
Speaker 4: you that that there is scientists out there that have
Speaker 4: done math and all the different science, and we've tested
Speaker 4: the curvature and obviously space is a never ending fucking
Speaker 4: vacuum and like all these things, Like now you're just
Speaker 4: kind of letting the people know that, well, you're if
Speaker 4: you can't wrap your mind around that, it's just because
Speaker 4: you're not fucking smart enough, so you may as well
Speaker 4: just listen to us all the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, I think there's a major
Speaker 5: spirituality component to it. I think it really does have
Speaker 5: to do strongly with hiding the fact that this place
Speaker 5: is created and that God is real. And but I
Speaker 5: do think for sure there's a level of control to it.
Speaker 5: If they can convince you at three years old not
Speaker 5: to trust your senses, kind of exactly what you're said.
Speaker 5: I can't trust my senses. I'm not smart enough. Well,
Speaker 5: I better appeal to the people on the white coats,
Speaker 5: the people on the TV telling me to jab my arm,
Speaker 5: And it's just it's a way to control people, for sure.
Speaker 5: But I think at a higher level it is literally
Speaker 5: spiritual warfare and just really trying to and like, here's
Speaker 5: where it's not speculation. It worked on me for forty
Speaker 5: two years. I wouldn't say I was an atheist, but
Speaker 5: I definitely you know, I was afraid of dying. I
Speaker 5: was terrified of flying because I just thought this was it.
Speaker 5: I thought I was an evolved eight living on a
Speaker 5: spinning ball, and just on one of infinite spinning balls
Speaker 5: and insignificant, unimportant and you know, I thought I was
Speaker 5: living a pretty good life and I didn't think I
Speaker 5: was a slave or anything like that. But like once
Speaker 5: you kind of like take a step back, You're like,
Speaker 5: holy shit, everything I believe had been fed to me
Speaker 5: and there's no evidence of ninety nine percent of it. Well,
Speaker 5: let's figure out where we actually are, who we actually are.
Speaker 5: Maybe there's a reason for being here. Maybe I have
Speaker 5: a lot more power than I ever realized, and maybe,
Speaker 5: you know, people say it doesn't matter, I still got
Speaker 5: to go to work tomorrow. Well I didn't go to work.
Speaker 5: You know, there's more to a story to that. But
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm sitting here. I live in a
Speaker 5: different state now, I have a different job, I have
Speaker 5: a whole different crew of people I communicate with and
Speaker 5: talk with and am friends with. Like it absolutely changed
Speaker 5: my life, and at first it was darkness. At first.
Speaker 5: I had to go through that darkness to get to
Speaker 5: this tunnel where I'm living my best life now. But
Speaker 5: it absolutely fucking matters. So anyone who says it doesn't matter,
Speaker 5: I still got to go to work tomorrow, that's just
Speaker 5: really narrow minded thinking. And that's because you don't fully
Speaker 5: understand how much it matters that you say.
Speaker 4: That, Oh, I would say that that it's literally we're
Speaker 4: talking about the nature of our existence, you know, like
Speaker 4: like why if if the Earth isn't And to be honest,
Speaker 4: I did go down the flat earth rabbit hole, as
Speaker 4: I said, you know, a few years ago. That was
Speaker 4: really the thing that sparked you know, conspiracy for me
Speaker 4: in the first place. But I've kind of taken on
Speaker 4: the I the idea of like maybe we're living on
Speaker 4: a double toroid. Have you ever looked into the double
Speaker 4: toroid before?
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. And you know, like I'm not against
Speaker 5: even you know, simulation theory. I just think it might
Speaker 5: be God simulation. I don't think I'm living in a computer.
Speaker 5: I think sure, there's definitely a chance we're we're living
Speaker 5: on the you know, center plane of a toroidal field.
Speaker 5: And I don't claim to know. I just claim to
Speaker 5: know what I'm not living on, you know, and and
Speaker 5: speculate from there. I think there's a lot of good
Speaker 5: evidence though, that we are an enclosed system. I saw
Speaker 5: an awesome, awesome video earlier this morning, and you know,
Speaker 5: I've experienced this myself since I moved to Florida six
Speaker 5: months ago from Illinois. I've been telling my wife, I'm like,
Speaker 5: the clouds are closer here, Like I don't care what
Speaker 5: anyone else says, the clouds are lower here, the stars
Speaker 5: are closer.
Speaker 2: And I was the equator absolutely bro.
Speaker 5: Closer because the firmament's closer because it's curved and slope.
Speaker 5: But the I watched this video on how rainbows are
Speaker 5: different too, like the closer you are to the north pole,
Speaker 5: the larger they are, and the further south you are,
Speaker 5: the flatter they are. And I went and I've got
Speaker 5: I man, I had to like, the rainbows in Florida
Speaker 5: are insane. I literally had three days in a row
Speaker 5: with a rainbow directly over my house, like incredible stuff.
Speaker 5: But I went and compared rainbows from them Illinois to
Speaker 5: Florida with my own photos. I'm like, there's definitely different
Speaker 5: pitch and slope to those, And to me, that is
Speaker 5: strong evidence that we are living in in a cloist system.
Speaker 5: And you know, because I already thought that rainbows were
Speaker 5: from the sun shining through a prism that is, well,
Speaker 5: a rounded prism, but so that was really cool.
Speaker 4: Jacob, how do you explain away rainbows? Like, how does
Speaker 4: a globe tard explain away rainbows, sir.
Speaker 2: I don't explain the away.
Speaker 1: I acknowledge them to be very real, right, and as
Speaker 1: a Christian, I acknowledge them to be a sign from
Speaker 1: God saying he will never flood the earth again.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But now from the scientific perspective, I do see it
Speaker 1: as sunlight being shown.
Speaker 2: Through a series of prisms.
Speaker 1: I am of the belief that it is tiny water
Speaker 1: droplets in the air, And the only time that you
Speaker 1: actually can have that much water in the air with
Speaker 1: sunlight like that is usually right after it rains, when
Speaker 1: there's still that high of humidity in the air. To
Speaker 1: say that they have a narrower arch up north as
Speaker 1: opposed to a wider one down south, that makes sense
Speaker 1: to me on the ball earth perspective, because air pressure.
Speaker 1: Air pressure has a lot to do with how light bends.
Speaker 1: It doesn't change the color spectrum, but it does change
Speaker 1: the distance that it goes whenever it does refract. So
Speaker 1: to say that they are wider nearer to the equator
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense to me as well. And to say
Speaker 1: that the clouds look closer nearer to the equator, it's
Speaker 1: also very well check out with me. So but I
Speaker 1: don't see them as a as something like to be
Speaker 1: debunked by any means.
Speaker 2: I think we all can agree that they're there.
Speaker 1: I do, however, question why there's so many double rainbows,
Speaker 1: because growing up, that was like the craziest shit ever
Speaker 1: was to see double rainbow, Like that was a one
Speaker 1: maybe in your life type of situation. These days, it
Speaker 1: seems like every other rainbow I see has a second
Speaker 1: one above it or below it. And I do believe
Speaker 1: that's because of kim Trail's gonna be one hundred percent honest,
Speaker 1: which sir.
Speaker 5: I do. I do think kim trails create a lot
Speaker 5: of rainbows. You know, I've seen a lot of Why
Speaker 5: can't I some helos and and I think you know,
Speaker 5: people are people are will message me all the time
Speaker 5: and like, look, it's evidence of the firm, and I'm like, actually,
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure that's just being caused from the chem trails.
Speaker 5: So I, even though we see it a little differently,
Speaker 5: I can agree with you on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I had done a cool experiment where I cannot reproduce
Speaker 5: a curved rainbow inside because there wasn't a curved prism.
Speaker 1: So what I would do do a hose pipe outside
Speaker 1: and you gotta get the type that goes from like
Speaker 1: a jet stream that you loosen up and it goes
Speaker 1: to like a full cone spray. Yeah, go to the
Speaker 1: light cone during the sunlight. You can make a full
Speaker 1: three sixty rainbow.
Speaker 5: But only outside. Try that.
Speaker 1: It's with sunlight. If you do that with if you
Speaker 1: could do that with white light. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna spray a hose inside like that, you could.
Speaker 1: If you get to your garage you have a white
Speaker 1: like a white spectrum light being shown, you can make
Speaker 1: it a three sixty rainbow inside.
Speaker 5: You'll have to show me that because I try very
Speaker 5: hard to reproduce a curved or round rounded rainbow inside,
Speaker 5: you know, without the dome above us, the stme right
Speaker 5: here on. Yeah, that's it wasn't reproducible. So if you
Speaker 5: can show me that, I would. I'd love to see it, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because otherwise was even doing that experiment. But that's kind
Speaker 1: of an interesting one, okay.
Speaker 3: But if that was the case, wouldn't you always see
Speaker 3: a rainbow when you're in the shower.
Speaker 1: You know, there's the lights in your bathroom were not
Speaker 1: white light? Some are, some aren't.
Speaker 5: I did it just with my sink and couldn't get
Speaker 5: any sort of curvature to it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you ever, during Christmas time, we're
Speaker 1: coming up on that season. You know those glasses that
Speaker 1: you can get to where they'll make like little rainbow
Speaker 1: snowmen or whatever. As you're looking at all the Christmas lights,
Speaker 1: those are prisms that are taking white light and refracting
Speaker 1: it into rainbows right there.
Speaker 2: By your eyeballs.
Speaker 1: So you could take that and look at white light
Speaker 1: to see what kind is and is not, and to
Speaker 1: do the type of experiment. I mean, if you had
Speaker 1: a light that was bright enough and you sprayed a hose.
Speaker 1: In theory, you could recreate a three sixty rainbow inside.
Speaker 1: But now that you mentioned it, I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: say that I've ever seen this done.
Speaker 4: Cult members, we need you to do your homework and
Speaker 4: you know, hit us up on you. Yeah, right, that
Speaker 4: would be a pretty interesting theory. And you know what
Speaker 4: you know, whenever I was going down the whole flat
Speaker 4: Earth rabbit hole years ago, one of my favorite flat
Speaker 4: earthers that I loved watching. I'm sure you know of him,
Speaker 4: at least Daryl Marble. You ever heard of him?
Speaker 5: I don't know, no, no, I don't.
Speaker 4: Okay, black dude, coole as fuck, But anyway, he would
Speaker 4: he showed that whenever he was trying to prove that
Speaker 4: whenever you're in an airplane, it uh, you're it's proving
Speaker 4: that you're going across a flat surface. Because what he
Speaker 4: did was he brought one of those like a like
Speaker 4: a flat level onto the plane, and you know, the
Speaker 4: bubble just stayed in the center the entire way. And
Speaker 4: that was the first time I had ever seen that
Speaker 4: made me question, like, well, if you're if you're an
Speaker 4: airplane and you're going over a flat surface, that's what
Speaker 4: that's what would happen. And also if you're going over
Speaker 4: a curvature, then you would see that bubble start to
Speaker 4: dip and sure as sure as hell, like the entire
Speaker 4: plane trip, you know it, it stayed right in the center.
Speaker 4: So I was like, could this be some kind of
Speaker 4: video manipulation. I ended up bringing a flat level on
Speaker 4: with me to an airplane because I was flying from
Speaker 4: Louisiana to Arizona. Surely there's gonna be some kind of
Speaker 4: curvature there, right and go up and.
Speaker 1: Go down there probably was when you're flying in the sky.
Speaker 1: It's pretty level.
Speaker 4: You flatten out after like ten minutes, though, is the point.
Speaker 4: And you're only us ending and descending for about ten
Speaker 4: minutes each, but the entire rest of the trip you're
Speaker 4: staying flat. And so I thought, well, how is that possible?
Speaker 4: Wouldn't we just fly off of the fucking ball?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: And so I did it myself, and sure's house stayed
Speaker 4: flat the whole way.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, over the course of one hundred miles,
Speaker 5: there should be over six thousand feet of curvature, So
Speaker 5: you're going a little further than one hundred miles with
Speaker 5: that trip, so there should you know, even though you're
Speaker 5: going up and down, you're not really accounting for any
Speaker 5: sort of curvature because you're going up and down those
Speaker 5: same heights both times as.
Speaker 1: Well, right right, not to did you imagine if it wasn't, dude,
Speaker 1: your coke would be flying off the tray the entire trip.
Speaker 2: Dude, people's drinks would be spilling shit be wild.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a crazy thought to think that we live
Speaker 4: on a flat ball. So yeah, I think that it
Speaker 4: would be equally as crazy.
Speaker 2: That is pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: That's that flat ball? What an idiot. I mean a
Speaker 3: fucking round ball. There we go.
Speaker 5: Hey, I wanted if you guys don't mind, I wanted
Speaker 5: to jump back to something you said a little bit ago, Jacob,
Speaker 5: just because it crossed my mind. I didn't get to
Speaker 5: mention it. But I'm a big believer that the clones,
Speaker 5: the whole clones thing, Like I was a big clones
Speaker 5: guy for a while, and I honestly think that. And
Speaker 5: you know, nothing against anyone who thinks this, but this
Speaker 5: is just my opinion. I really think that that is
Speaker 5: a sigh up to muddy the waters, to just really
Speaker 5: take away from how simple it is and how simple
Speaker 5: it's literally just people dressing as other people. And you know,
Speaker 5: it's almost like Occam's Razor, Like, really, are do these
Speaker 5: people all look like because they're cloned? Or is it
Speaker 5: just the same person with prosthetics on and looking a
Speaker 5: little different yet the same? So I just I wanted
Speaker 5: to touch on that and not or not forget to
Speaker 5: get back.
Speaker 4: To it would be easy or to just have a
Speaker 4: different person play that role. I could see that, especially well.
Speaker 2: Dude, jestarticularly, how is that easier?
Speaker 4: You've seen the mass technology they have nowadays, Dude, it's
Speaker 4: fucking pinpoint on the nose, dude. As far as like
Speaker 4: how good they are.
Speaker 1: It tasts like six hours worth of makeup to get
Speaker 1: them like presentable to go on set for a couple
Speaker 1: of hours. Now, if we're talking about like a big
Speaker 1: speech or something, yo, I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Could be an actor in a costume, but for like
Speaker 1: the long engagements and shit, the long outings that you
Speaker 1: see this person in. And it's like, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's impossible by any means, but it's like that seems
Speaker 1: easier to have this person be acted by somebody now,
Speaker 1: maybe like an obscure actor, not like Brad Pitt's not
Speaker 1: playing everybody, you know what I mean, but like some
Speaker 1: obscure actor, some Manchurian candidate off or the Mandarin excuse
Speaker 1: me off of like Iron Man. Dude got a little
Speaker 1: bit of plastic surgery and now he's just kind of
Speaker 1: living as that role.
Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is, uh, even the idea of
Speaker 5: clones is what I'm saying. I think that's a total
Speaker 5: sigh up. Like when you think of.
Speaker 2: You know, you'll believe clones are real at all.
Speaker 5: No, that's what I'm saying, I think that's total, total,
Speaker 5: total nonsense.
Speaker 2: Mack pedal a bit here. Hold on, what about Dolly
Speaker 2: the sheep?
Speaker 1: Now, we do know they did successfully clone an animal
Speaker 1: at least once upon a time like that's confirmed confirmed, it.
Speaker 2: Was back in the day.
Speaker 5: It was decades ago, okay, but confirmed by where the
Speaker 5: same people that told me I lived on a globe.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of funny that they just happened to
Speaker 5: clone a sheep, kind of like, hey, these sheep will
Speaker 5: believe anything we tell them, just saying.
Speaker 4: Of all animals to Yeah, that is interesting.
Speaker 1: Now, what do you say about the UK lab that
Speaker 1: just got shut down two years ago because they weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to clone human DNA. The government told them to stop,
Speaker 1: then they continue, so the government actually had to come
Speaker 1: and shut down the lab. It's like they're guaranteed that
Speaker 1: we know for sure they're cloning DNA. Now we don't
Speaker 1: know if we're talking some live tissue, a whole organ,
Speaker 1: a whole person, like to what degree, into what scope
Speaker 1: you know, conjecture can go, but we do know that
Speaker 1: they are doing this to the point where they legally
Speaker 1: had to be stopped.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean again, it's cool story. You know, I
Speaker 5: think they've been planning the idea of clones for a
Speaker 5: long time. I think Jurassic Park was literally, you know,
Speaker 5: to push the dinosaurs and to push cloning because maybe
Speaker 5: they realized how much they were going to be putting
Speaker 5: these other people into costumes. And I mean, if you
Speaker 5: really think maybe there a thing, right, yeah, yeah for sure. Okay,
Speaker 5: so let me say that. I do think you can
Speaker 5: obviously grow a being in something other than like a
Speaker 5: mother's womb, and there is such thing as DNA and
Speaker 5: you can like.
Speaker 2: Fertilized slicing in that kind of shit.
Speaker 5: I do not believe in like three D printing a clone.
Speaker 5: Like you know, anyone who was saying like Kanye West
Speaker 5: was a clone, Like, well, they didn't just like go
Speaker 5: create another Kanye. Maybe there were, you know, thirty years
Speaker 5: ago they created a very similar DNA being. But I'm
Speaker 5: what I'm saying is like they're not just going and
Speaker 5: replacing someone in the moment that's fully grown. As a point,
Speaker 5: I think people really think that. I think I think
Speaker 5: people fully are like, well they replaced them with a clone. Well, no,
Speaker 5: they just replaced him with a guy wearing a mask
Speaker 5: that looks like Kanye.
Speaker 3: I think even using like eugenics, you're not going to
Speaker 3: get one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Well no, but that's why they like go crazy for
Speaker 1: six months before they disappear for a while and then
Speaker 1: they come back on new that's six months Agoing crazy
Speaker 1: is when the guys at the top are like, all right,
Speaker 1: time to start growing the next one. They go away
Speaker 1: for a year or two whatever, then come back and
Speaker 1: there's so much healthier and it's like, wait.
Speaker 5: What now, it's all mind manipulation. It's all part of
Speaker 5: the show and part of the script. Again, in my opinion, yeah,
Speaker 5: I want you.
Speaker 2: Want you.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you really think about it, that is
Speaker 4: something that you know, if we are to just believe
Speaker 4: that the clones are a real thing, and look, we
Speaker 4: speculate on clones all the time. We speculate on them
Speaker 4: malfunctioning and you know, could this person be that that
Speaker 4: person or did they just make another clone. We always
Speaker 4: joke about Joe Biden. You know, they're on version nine
Speaker 4: of them right now and shit like that.
Speaker 2: What about animatronics, what are your thoughts on this? Now?
Speaker 1: We had we talked about Katy Perry on stage having
Speaker 1: that glitch malfunction and all that shit. Certain people said, oh,
Speaker 1: she was a clone. Certain people are saying, no, bro,
Speaker 1: it's straight up chuck e cheese animatronics.
Speaker 2: What's your take on this, tyler?
Speaker 5: My take is that was nicely scripted to get people
Speaker 5: talking about it and thinking there are clones and animatronics
Speaker 5: that are so lifelike that we can't tell them apart.
Speaker 2: I think it's all so you do not believe that
Speaker 2: that was a robot?
Speaker 5: No, I think that was Katy Perry fucking with us.
Speaker 5: As we're going to get millions of people thinking that
Speaker 5: Katy Perry is a clone. But I, you know, maybe
Speaker 5: that was Katie someone else in a mask. I'm a
Speaker 5: big believer in masks and deception and deception at all levels,
Speaker 5: you know, like all whistleblower, all people like Ryan Garcia,
Speaker 5: They're all part of the club to me. And I think,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know what the script is. I
Speaker 5: don't know if it's AI generated from one hundred or
Speaker 5: two hundred years ago, Lucifer in the Bottomless Pit typing
Speaker 5: up his script for end times or what. But yeah,
Speaker 5: not a believer in clones, not a believer in that
Speaker 5: at all. Really, you know, and the way mainstream presents it,
Speaker 5: especially when you look at just how mainstream it's really become.
Speaker 5: I mean, like normis know about clones now, so that's like, yeah, something's.
Speaker 4: Out right, And getting on the whole clone conversation, we
Speaker 4: talked about how Eminem could have possibly been a clone before, right,
Speaker 4: or maybe he isn't a clone, or maybe he died
Speaker 4: back in two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: Or whatever the case is, but like maybe.
Speaker 4: Right, but like if you remember that video of Eminem,
Speaker 4: he was on like NCAA football game Day or something
Speaker 4: like that with Brent Musburger, and he seemed like he
Speaker 4: was fucking just glitching out right. We watched that video.
Speaker 4: But but somebody said that actually, no, he wasn't. That
Speaker 4: was just part of like him trying to sell more
Speaker 4: more CDs and stuff back then, because I guess it
Speaker 4: was pertaining to that kind of animatronic whatever. But I
Speaker 4: mean if that was just an act, then now you're
Speaker 4: looking at this whole thing differently, like all right, maybe
Speaker 4: he wasn't, you know, just a clone that was being manipulated.
Speaker 4: Maybe he wasn't just a fucking fembot or whatever that
Speaker 4: that there is something that he was just acting on it.
Speaker 4: And if he's acting on it, well, now we're looking
Speaker 4: at cloning in a different way. Because the majority of
Speaker 4: the time, at least as far as my mind goes,
Speaker 4: whenever I think of clone, my mind instantly goes to
Speaker 4: eminem you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think a lot of people think that
Speaker 5: with Biden too, and you know, like you guys kind
Speaker 5: of even mentioned it, and yeah, I just think it's
Speaker 5: I think it's a lot simpler than that. I think
Speaker 5: it's just a smaller group of people. And you know,
Speaker 5: I think that's a big reason why they do it.
Speaker 5: If you can deceive the masses with five hundred people
Speaker 5: instead of five thousand people, well then there's a lot
Speaker 5: of people or a lot less people that you got
Speaker 5: to keep in the know and keep quiet and keep
Speaker 5: the secrets, keep the cult secrets, keep the you know,
Speaker 5: like everything that they're lying about in house. A lot
Speaker 5: easier for if you get a you know, one for three,
Speaker 5: every one person's playing three people. And I think they're
Speaker 5: all doing it. I think every single person on TV
Speaker 5: is playing another role of some kind. I really do.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you think about like even stage magic, right, like, uh,
Speaker 4: this is the main reason why the stage magicians won't
Speaker 4: tell you, you know, their secrets, like David Blaine and fucking
Speaker 4: whatever the other ones are.
Speaker 3: The reason they won't.
Speaker 4: Tell you their secrets is because they want you to
Speaker 4: believe in the illusion. Right, So the whenever you're seeing it,
Speaker 4: like you think that a woman's being chopped in half,
Speaker 4: or you think that you know, a man is staying
Speaker 4: in a fucking fish tank for an hour and he
Speaker 4: can breathe through it, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 4: But it's it all is kind of like on the
Speaker 4: surface like reality, and in their reality is that they're
Speaker 4: showing an illusion. But it's actually really easy to deceive
Speaker 4: the human eyes, right, Like that's something that they have perfected,
Speaker 4: is to deceive what your eyes are showing you. And
Speaker 4: if you put this on a large scale, you take
Speaker 4: it out to Hollywood, the Holly Tree.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about.
Speaker 4: How that's you know, that's that's like something that that
Speaker 4: that's that's what they do is just lie and deceive
Speaker 4: in order to get your imagination going. And so would
Speaker 4: it be that crazy that all the actors are just
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, putting on an illusion. I mean,
Speaker 4: why would it be that you would have to go
Speaker 4: to Zachary King back in the nineties and and fuck
Speaker 4: a horse or get fucked by a horse, just to
Speaker 4: go and and be like an actor or a musician
Speaker 4: or something like that. Like why would you have to
Speaker 4: go through all that if that's all you're gonna do,
Speaker 4: if you weren't going to portray it for the rest
Speaker 4: of your life. And I guess that's where I'm at
Speaker 4: with the whole thing, Like, if you're signing up to
Speaker 4: do all that, you're selling your soul.
Speaker 3: You're not doing it just to be an actor.
Speaker 4: It's gonna it's gonna basically like you know, uh, you're
Speaker 4: gonna you're taking on a role for life. It's not
Speaker 4: just whenever you're behind a camera.
Speaker 5: Right, And I think that's part of it too, if
Speaker 5: you know, if you spent part of your acting career
Speaker 5: or you know, you're currently acting and you're portraying two
Speaker 5: different people, if that ever gets out there, if you
Speaker 5: ever like, hey, you know, Brad Pitt tells like nobody
Speaker 5: I'm also Benicio del Tour, Like these people are gonna
Speaker 5: lose credibility of your life, Like you're done. If if
Speaker 5: you were found out that you were actually both people.
Speaker 5: So I do think that's part of it. I think
Speaker 5: that's part of just kind of keeping it within houses.
Speaker 5: If you play multiple roles, it's just another secret you
Speaker 5: feel like you have to keep.
Speaker 3: Which is interesting too.
Speaker 4: You mentioned how I don't know if you mentioned on here,
Speaker 4: if I just saw one of your videos about Kenneth Copeland,
Speaker 4: who we talk about a lot on this show, the crazy,
Speaker 4: crazy pastor priest, whatever the fuck he is.
Speaker 3: And that there's something clearly wrong with that guy.
Speaker 4: Like some people will say, oh, well, he's just an
Speaker 4: overly exuberant kind of guy. He's got a crazy care
Speaker 4: about him. But dude, I'm telling you that guy, whoever
Speaker 4: is believing that guy like you, gotta check yourself because
Speaker 4: there's no way that that guy should be convincing you
Speaker 4: of fucking anything.
Speaker 1: Agree, But hold on, hold on Now we haven't talked
Speaker 1: about this, and and I'm curious Tyler, you being a
Speaker 1: Christians or a whatever brand of Christianity.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Churchyanity type of guy myself. I'm more
Speaker 1: of a tick the Bible at its word. Do you
Speaker 1: believe in having a personal relationship and all of that?
Speaker 1: You know that being said, have y'all heard of what's
Speaker 1: going down with the Bishop TD Jakes right now?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I have not.
Speaker 1: So he has been alleged with connections to P Diddy.
Speaker 1: Now he actually has gone as far as to step
Speaker 1: down from his church.
Speaker 2: He no longer works for them.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a couple of allegations brought up and
Speaker 1: he addressed it at a Sunday service. The man has
Speaker 1: down from his position and has retired over whatever the
Speaker 1: hell has been alligated against him alleged.
Speaker 4: It seems like a lot of those televangelists are like
Speaker 4: Little Nikki priests. That's what I think of. I think
Speaker 4: that they're just like if you've seen Little Nikki and
Speaker 4: the demon takes over the priest's body or the pastor's
Speaker 4: body or whatever.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of these people are really
Speaker 4: just doing it for the fame. They're really just doing
Speaker 4: it for the money. And yes, you can spit a
Speaker 4: little bit on what's been talked about for the last
Speaker 4: two thousand years. Who hasn't heard that same song and dance.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to shit on it, but like it's
Speaker 4: a very well known story, at least for the people
Speaker 4: that look into the Bible. It's like, I feel like
Speaker 4: you could ramble on about that kind of thing while
Speaker 4: also being pretty fucking sinister about it as well.
Speaker 1: Well, No, look TD Jake's message. I've often enjoyed listening
Speaker 1: to sermons. I'm gonna be honest with you. He has
Speaker 1: a gift for oration, and he seems to know a
Speaker 1: good bit about the book. But that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: he's an amazing person one hundred percent through. He is
Speaker 1: just like everybody else, a center. He was born into
Speaker 1: this sinful life, just like the rest of us. Nobody's perfect,
Speaker 1: nobody's better than anybody else. But yeah, again, I don't
Speaker 1: know to what level, into what extent, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he was alleged at one party, if he was
Speaker 1: on some sort of a flight list, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was every time did he came through his
Speaker 1: town he stopped in like, I don't know the extent,
Speaker 1: but whatever it was, it was serious enough for your
Speaker 1: boy to leave Tyler.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts, man, I have so many thoughts. First, I
Speaker 5: just did a video on him today, but it was
Speaker 5: there was a trifecta of Jake and I didn't The
Speaker 5: funny thing is I didn't even know there was anything
Speaker 5: going on with him. He just had He just happened
Speaker 5: to tie in with Kenneth Copeland and U Joel tell.
Speaker 1: Us strike when the Iron Is Hot Bro. The timing
Speaker 1: on that one was beautiful.
Speaker 5: Oh man, Well I had no idea. But here's the thing, though,
Speaker 5: is I Man, I've been getting censored so much that
Speaker 5: I've been putting a lot of my juicy content in
Speaker 5: my subscriber only videos on all my platforms, on TikTok,
Speaker 5: Facebook and Instagram specifically, and I did. I did a
Speaker 5: little video with Kenneth Kenneth Copeland and how I think
Speaker 5: that he is full on Bradley Cooper playing that role
Speaker 5: in a mask and that's available for everyone, but the
Speaker 5: like juicier parts of it. Also thinking that Jake's is
Speaker 5: being played by Samuel L. Jackson is on my subscriber
Speaker 5: only video and Joel Olstein I think potentially might be
Speaker 5: Martin Shore or potentially even who is the other one?
Speaker 5: I was thinking he maybe maybe even Andy Dick. Yes,
Speaker 5: there was something else I wanted to respond to in
Speaker 5: that and I got I can't remember. Oh so, and
Speaker 5: not to go on here, but these are my thoughts again,
Speaker 5: you know, I think outside the box lot. I like
Speaker 5: to question everything. I think, you know, the Diddy stuff
Speaker 5: to me is I question it all because you know,
Speaker 5: like they one of the things they talked about was
Speaker 5: how he potentially set up the Tupac murder and things
Speaker 5: like that, and I'm like, I know for a fact
Speaker 5: Tupac is alive. I prove Tupac is alive. I've done
Speaker 5: videos on it. I've found, like, in my opinion, indisputable
Speaker 5: evidence that Tupac is still alive. So when they're like
Speaker 5: Diddy paid to kill Tupac, and I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 5: a lie because Tupac's alive. So I don't believe any
Speaker 5: of the rest of it. Now. That's not to say
Speaker 5: that there aren't bad people doing really bad things, but
Speaker 5: I think that they just use this stuff and they're like,
Speaker 5: there's going to be a list just like the Epstein list,
Speaker 5: and none of that shit's ever released. Is just to
Speaker 5: get us thinking that they're doing something about it. They're
Speaker 5: bad people and we're going to expose them, and you know,
Speaker 5: there are good people behind the scenes doing it, and
Speaker 5: in my opinion, it's all bullshit to get us to
Speaker 5: sit on hands and not take action ourselves and that
Speaker 5: you know, like I said, my opinion, but that's where
Speaker 5: my head's at with with a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 5: And all these evangelist preachers I think are all phony,
Speaker 5: blooney actors in masks.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, at what point does a
Speaker 2: church become too.
Speaker 5: Big when they put the title global on it? How
Speaker 5: about that?
Speaker 3: Damn?
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, we're all alike in the sands somewhere.
Speaker 1: It's got to be somewhere. I'm listening, so like, hold on,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about like your local church having a
Speaker 1: outreach in Africa at some local school or something, right,
Speaker 1: and then you call yourself some international we're talking like that,
Speaker 1: or we're talking about when it gets on TV, like
Speaker 1: that's that's always been my thing, Right, There's a level
Speaker 1: where it becomes more of a lights, camera action production
Speaker 1: versus a sermon. And there's like a fine line there.
Speaker 1: And I don't have a problem with having a camera crew.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're streaming it online so that members of
Speaker 1: your church that are sick can still watch it that day. Like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: within a reasonable level, I see this, right.
Speaker 4: It's whenever big money gets involved. I think like huge
Speaker 4: amounts of mass wealth gets involved that you gotta start
Speaker 4: scratching your head because I mean, is that much like
Speaker 4: tithe money really coming in?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: I think I heard somewhere that it's more like a
Speaker 1: tenth of the church actually is paying their tithe like
Speaker 1: they're supposed to. So if we're talking like a tenth
Speaker 1: of a tenth of your congregationous earnings coming to you,
Speaker 1: like I forget which church us locally, I was talking
Speaker 1: with somebody about this. I asked them how big their
Speaker 1: congregation is, and they told me it was about like
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand something like that.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: So if and you look at the median household income
Speaker 1: for this area that we're talking about here and all
Speaker 1: of that, and so let's say that only a tenth
Speaker 1: of them are actually doing that. This place is still
Speaker 1: making like I think it was like over two million
Speaker 1: profit a year, and there's a tax free entity.
Speaker 2: Keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: So like all this and it's like, well, well where's
Speaker 1: that money going, It's like, well, okay, look, let's just
Speaker 1: assume that.
Speaker 2: The grounds aren't paid for.
Speaker 1: Let's assume the building is still being paid off. Let's
Speaker 1: let's assume Okay, some utilities and this and this, and
Speaker 1: you can chunk that away, but then you get to
Speaker 1: the bottom of it, there is still usually a very
Speaker 1: large amount of money at the end of every year, like, well,
Speaker 1: where is that going? Well, it's supposed to be going
Speaker 1: towards the work of the church, right, They're supposed to
Speaker 1: be using that and reaching people and spreading the word
Speaker 1: and all these things. But you'll see certain churches that
Speaker 1: the pastor is driving a Bentley and you know, somehow
Speaker 1: that's acceptable while members of his church are driving around
Speaker 1: in a sedan that's.
Speaker 2: Got an oil leak, and like somehow, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: who am I?
Speaker 4: What's the big one in Baton Rouge. They're off of
Speaker 4: what is it? Bluebonnet? There's that one church.
Speaker 2: It's like like healing place.
Speaker 4: Not healing place, the one kind of closer to what
Speaker 4: am I thinking of, like kind of closer to Perkins.
Speaker 2: Oh now, not talking about Bethany.
Speaker 3: Huh Bethany.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, They're not as big as Healing Place.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, dude, as far as like,
Speaker 1: especially with the amount of campuses on the global reach
Speaker 1: and all these things. They're not an arc church, but
Speaker 1: healing place is and that's that's all the Association of
Speaker 1: Related Churches, that's that non denominational think tank, if you will.
Speaker 4: Right, right, well, I mean just looking at some of
Speaker 4: these crazy televangelists like you you know, we were just
Speaker 4: on the topic of Kenneth Copeland. I mean how he
Speaker 4: bought Tyler's Tyler Perry's plane, and he was like, well
Speaker 4: I had to he made it so cheap. And it's like, dude,
Speaker 4: you fucking bought a plane, bro, Like, I don't think
Speaker 4: you're supposed to be making god level money as a
Speaker 4: pastor or a priest or whatever.
Speaker 3: Right you know.
Speaker 1: Tyler Perry's another one of those interesting examples, like like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's not allowed to his daddy's church, right.
Speaker 6: Well, shit, he has been openly gay back home, and
Speaker 6: like he's not allowed to his dad's church, and he
Speaker 6: goes on there and starts doing his own media.
Speaker 1: Shit, He's like found a reason to dress in drag.
Speaker 1: That's all it ever was for him, bro, And he
Speaker 1: used it as a way to do a quote unquote
Speaker 1: ministry or whatever. But then you look at him as
Speaker 1: the guy and it's like oh oh, and then I'm
Speaker 1: hearing things about him being wrapped up in this diddy
Speaker 1: shit and it's just like, ah haha, hold many things.
Speaker 3: You said. Tyler Perry is who Will Smith?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think he's one of Will Smith's characters for sure.
Speaker 3: Whoa which if.
Speaker 5: Research that one on TikTok when you get a chance.
Speaker 5: I haven't done a video on that one, but uh,
Speaker 5: I think there's some good stuff on TikTok that Will.
Speaker 5: You'll be like, there's at least a fifty to fifty
Speaker 5: shot that Tyler Perry is Will Smith.
Speaker 3: Which isn't that crazy if you really think about it.
Speaker 4: I mean Will Smith and Bad Boys right next to
Speaker 4: Martin Lawrence who played Big Mama.
Speaker 5: Right, So, did you see my Martin Lawrence is Cedric
Speaker 5: the Entertainer I did yesterday?
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh dude, that's Cedric the Entertainer. Like whenever at
Speaker 4: the Mike Tyson and then Jake Paul fight, I was like,
Speaker 4: something is off with this guy. Maybe he's just getting
Speaker 4: a little heftier, maybe he's getting a little bit older.
Speaker 1: I saw it's just because everybody's looking through his bullshit.
Speaker 1: Ever since Kat Williams basically blasted the fact that he's
Speaker 1: talentless and always has been. Now that everybody he's he's
Speaker 1: going and doing these public appearances and like no one
Speaker 1: gives a fuck. Nobody's like excited to hear from Cedric
Speaker 1: the Entertainer. You know, it's I don't know. I thought
Speaker 1: that was just why he just kind of seemed off.
Speaker 4: He should just, like, you know, take on the barbershop character.
Speaker 4: Whenever he was in barbershop. That was like my favorite
Speaker 4: version of Cedric the Entertainer.
Speaker 1: I thought, just be that when you walk out of
Speaker 1: your house every day, bro, that that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: That's all it's expected. You know.
Speaker 5: I hit someone in my comments with the Theater Entertainer.
Speaker 5: They're like, dude, you're an idiot. They're in the same
Speaker 5: movie together, him, Martin Lawrenson. They're like, have you ever
Speaker 5: seen you know, what's one of the movies where Eddie
Speaker 5: Murphy plays like ten characters.
Speaker 3: It's the Clumps or like they're literally.
Speaker 5: Telling us in the movie is that it's happening? Well, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's right, Yeah, it's like ten different characters, or Mike
Speaker 5: Myers and all his you know, the gold Member Austin
Speaker 5: Powers movies, Like that's them telling us and you know,
Speaker 5: real quick, just to mention that you asked that question
Speaker 5: of the church thing. I kind of look at churches
Speaker 5: like I do schools.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: You know, I think they're all broken, I really do.
Speaker 5: I think they've all been created with the same kind
Speaker 5: of indoctrination and lies that the public school system has.
Speaker 5: And I, you know, I'm a believer and like you said,
Speaker 5: having a relationship with God. I'm a big believer in
Speaker 5: the Bible. And yes, I still do think there's manipulation.
Speaker 5: I think there are books that have been taken out.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, they take the word firmament out
Speaker 5: and replace it with space or expanse, and you know,
Speaker 5: even something as simple as the old Bibles, and even
Speaker 5: like the Lord's Prayer used to say our Father in
Speaker 5: Earth and now it says on Earth. And so there's
Speaker 5: there's manipulation for sure. So I think I think churches
Speaker 5: need to go away. I think public schools need to
Speaker 5: go away, start fresh, start with truth. And you know,
Speaker 5: like like I said, I didn't believe in God for
Speaker 5: forty two years because I went to Catholic Church and
Speaker 5: I went to public school.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I mean all right, so a lot of
Speaker 4: the flat earthers that we've had on here in the past.
Speaker 4: They'll say, well, you know, look, my flat earth belief
Speaker 4: led me to believe in the Bible, because there's a
Speaker 4: lot of things that may correlate.
Speaker 3: And you know, other people will say, well, that's just
Speaker 3: how they worded it back then.
Speaker 4: They weren't talking about the actual four corners because there's
Speaker 4: no corners on a ball and shit like that. Like
Speaker 4: Jacob is actually somebody who disagrees with that heavily as
Speaker 4: far as you know, the references to flat earth and
Speaker 4: the Bible. And I mean that's the thing, you know,
Speaker 4: like especially both of you, you know, you're both Christians.
Speaker 4: You both say that you believe in the Word and
Speaker 4: and it's like, all right, well you can believe in it,
Speaker 4: but like from what perspective. That's the thing is that
Speaker 4: there's so many different perspectives you can look at it.
Speaker 4: I mean, the same you that was reading the Bible,
Speaker 4: and Jacob, I'm pretty sure you've disagreed with this sentiment before.
Speaker 4: But like if you read the Bible ten years ago
Speaker 4: and now you're reading it in today, now it's looking
Speaker 4: a little bit different, even though you're looking at the
Speaker 4: same words. And you know, if the if, the if
Speaker 4: the word was if if the word was holy or
Speaker 4: the word was God, it was it was God back then,
Speaker 4: it was it's God now, and it'll be God in
Speaker 4: the future. Well, how come it seems like the perspective
Speaker 4: is always changing, you know, like and and in that case,
Speaker 4: how do you know the correct way in order to
Speaker 4: interpret it? Is there a correct way to interpret it?
Speaker 3: Kind of thing?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I kind of, like I said earlier,
Speaker 5: I was never someone even though you know, like, let's
Speaker 5: say this before I get into anything else, Okay, I
Speaker 5: was never a big practicing you know, Christian. I went
Speaker 5: you know, like I said, early on. I went to
Speaker 5: public school early on, and I went to Catholic school
Speaker 5: or not Catholic School, Sunday School, like we call it CCD.
Speaker 5: And it was basically to get dreamed and push you
Speaker 5: away after exactly. So you know, like that pushed me
Speaker 5: away so fast. So I didn't really ever read the Bible,
Speaker 5: you know, I never looked at it myself. I went
Speaker 5: to Catechism and listened to what they said, and they
Speaker 5: bored the crap out of me and never told me
Speaker 5: about some of the cool stuff, like you know, the
Speaker 5: giants that were in the earth in those days, and
Speaker 5: dragons and things like that. So so I I never
Speaker 5: really had an interpretation of it now, but if I did,
Speaker 5: I would say it probably wasn't literal. And now I
Speaker 5: take it very literally. So I think, you know, when
Speaker 5: they say, yeah, I don't even know an example, I
Speaker 5: need my buddy buddy Josh Monday, who I know, you
Speaker 5: guys know, to kind of ring my biblical earth bell
Speaker 5: for a.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the Sunday service on. Josh Monday is
Speaker 3: a great man.
Speaker 5: Love Josh. He's one of the few very few people
Speaker 5: in the truth or world that I actually just trust.
Speaker 4: So he's just like the best guy too, one of
Speaker 4: the nicest guys ever. Dude, Like there's something about him
Speaker 4: that is just so pure and like holy you know,
Speaker 4: whenever you hear him talking, he doesn't even cuss, Like
Speaker 4: he's just like, you know, pretty pretty straight shooter.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, love Josh. Shout out to Josh for sure.
Speaker 2: But and that's I'm a kind of on I saw.
Speaker 2: I was Catholic raised unce.
Speaker 1: I was about fourteen twelve, fourteen somewhere in that. But
Speaker 1: then my mother also was dabbling with pentecostal and with
Speaker 1: Baptists and with non denomination at that time. So one
Speaker 1: Sunday I would go to Mass, one Sunday I would
Speaker 1: go to service, and bounce him back and forth until
Speaker 1: I was around my teenage years and I went more
Speaker 1: of the non denominational route. Now that being said, the
Speaker 1: parts of the Bible where it does talk about the
Speaker 1: flat earth, right, there's I saw somewhere that there's like
Speaker 1: two hundred verses that confirm the flat earth. Out of
Speaker 1: like seven thousand verses, there's two hundred to talk about
Speaker 1: the shape of the Earth's.
Speaker 2: That's how serious and how much like time.
Speaker 1: I think God wanted us to spend on it that
Speaker 1: much now, and I also take it to be a
Speaker 1: fun talking point. And it's good to bounce these things
Speaker 1: back and forth, because I do believe the Word is
Speaker 1: supposed to be questioned and debated, and different philosophies and
Speaker 1: thought processes are supposed to be brought to the table
Speaker 1: about the Word. That's how we all find the true
Speaker 1: meaning from all of the different angles. Right that being said,
Speaker 1: it's not a salvation issue, right, Believing that we are
Speaker 1: on a ball vers a flat plane of existence doesn't
Speaker 1: take away from the blood of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: Saving me from my sins, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things where it's not worth
Speaker 1: fighting over, but it's interesting.
Speaker 5: It's however, however, if you're in my situation where you're
Speaker 5: not a believer whatsoever, until you come to that realization
Speaker 5: that you're not evolved, impo spinning ball. So I mean,
Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1: And if that's what it does, right, if it leads
Speaker 1: you to the truth, then brother, I'm all here for
Speaker 1: you know what I.
Speaker 5: Mean, right right exactly, and you know, and I don't.
Speaker 5: You know, Josh does a phenomenal job at what he does,
Speaker 5: and I don't ever approach it, you know, Like I'll mention,
Speaker 5: I actually mentioned the Bible more with like dragons, you know,
Speaker 5: than I do with flat earth. Only because you could
Speaker 5: have shown me a five thousand verses in the Bible
Speaker 5: that mentioned flat Earth and it wouldn't have changed it.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have given it any credence. I needed to
Speaker 5: see the science of it. I needed to see the
Speaker 5: you know, every single science experiment that I could do
Speaker 5: myself other people doing. I needed to see, like experience
Speaker 5: the Earth with my own eyes and be looking at
Speaker 5: it from a different perspective other than what I was
Speaker 5: told to see the truth in the Bible. So, you know,
Speaker 5: the biblical aspect doesn't really do much for me on
Speaker 5: a flat earth thing. It's a great tool to have
Speaker 5: in my pocket for people are already believers in the Bible,
Speaker 5: but it's not something I focus on to true or
Speaker 5: to prove lat earth.
Speaker 2: So talk to me about dragons.
Speaker 1: Now, they talk about that in the OT a little bit,
Speaker 1: and they bring up a couple of things in prophetic
Speaker 1: or dreamlike things that could be considered dragons.
Speaker 2: Now, what is your take on dinosaurs? I am a.
Speaker 1: Person who believed that the dragons that all these myths
Speaker 1: and legends and religious texts talk about are what we
Speaker 1: would see today as dinosaurs. But when they were describing
Speaker 1: it back in the day, they were talking about dragons.
Speaker 2: What is your take?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: Because John's I'm a completely different belief. He thinks dinosaurs
Speaker 1: are faking gay.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, so homosexual.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty much of that belief as well. Now
Speaker 5: that that's not to say there weren't giant reptiles. I
Speaker 5: personally have found an alligator probably the size of like
Speaker 5: a yellow school bus in actually really close to the
Speaker 5: George Bush compound in Kennebunk, Maine, literally found I don't
Speaker 5: think anyone else has ever found this thing. It's huge.
Speaker 5: I think there are there were giant animals here. I
Speaker 5: think there were giant animals of all sorts of species.
Speaker 5: I do not believe in bronosauruses and t rexes and
Speaker 5: things like that. I do think most of the bones
Speaker 5: and things that are found were either dragons or just
Speaker 5: these giant reptiles or animals that we know of that
Speaker 5: used to just be bigger because of different oxygen levels
Speaker 5: or whatever here before the flood. So yeah, I'm definitely
Speaker 5: of the belief that the dinosaur narrative that we are
Speaker 5: told is just kind of like an evolution you know,
Speaker 5: like a piece to their evolution puzzle that they try
Speaker 5: to sell us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you would have to have dinosaurs if you're if
Speaker 4: you're trying to really explain something that you know, like
Speaker 4: large portions of history. Not necessarily you'd have to have dinosaurs,
Speaker 4: but you'd have to have something that is so crazy,
Speaker 4: so magnificent, so much proof to say, see, this is
Speaker 4: how the Earth has changed and evolved over the course
Speaker 4: of millions of years.
Speaker 3: Or whatever.
Speaker 4: You would have to have something crazy like that. But
Speaker 4: all right, I was just on a little bit of
Speaker 4: math because I'm kind of on one right now, and
Speaker 4: I was looking at I was I was just curious,
Speaker 4: now you made the notion. It wasn't your first time
Speaker 4: making making that notion, Jacob, about how flat earth was
Speaker 4: mentioned roughly around too. Let's just say it's mentioned two
Speaker 4: hundred times in the Bible. And you know it was
Speaker 4: only mentioned tw hundred times. It's not that big a
Speaker 4: deal whatever.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: I saw that I saw somewhere saying that it was
Speaker 1: a list of two hundred verses that confirmed the flat Earth.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's an exact number, but yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, And I personally, if somebody tells me something two
Speaker 4: hundred times, I think that it's probably a little bit important.
Speaker 4: I think that it's not necessarily to just be disregarded
Speaker 4: for sure. And and I just out of curiosity, I
Speaker 4: went and I searched the exact amount of words that
Speaker 4: are in the Bible. There are seven hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: three thousand, one hundred and thirty seven words in the
Speaker 4: King James Bible. Okay, And so then I was like, well,
Speaker 4: how long would it be? How long would it take
Speaker 4: to uh to speak seven hundred and eighty three thousand,
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty seven words. How long would it
Speaker 4: take you if you were just consecutively saying that many
Speaker 4: words in a row, and it equated to five two
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty one minutes, which would equate to about
Speaker 4: eighty seven hours. And in the span if you think
Speaker 4: about that, if you were to read the Bible from
Speaker 4: cover to cover, it would take you eighty seven hours roughly.
Speaker 3: If you were, you know, reading at what was that pace?
Speaker 1: I don't even know, but your retention would be just,
Speaker 1: you know, eighty seven hours of reading it.
Speaker 3: Not that's not that's that's impressive. That's if you are
Speaker 3: speaking or reading at one hundred and fifty words per minute,
Speaker 3: that's at that.
Speaker 1: Pace, way faster than I could do. It would take
Speaker 1: me probably a week of NonStop. Dude, I'm a slow
Speaker 1: ass reader.
Speaker 4: So if it was to take you eighty seven hours,
Speaker 4: and over the course of eighty seven hours, somebody told
Speaker 4: you one thing two hundred times, you would think, damn,
Speaker 4: I feel like they're trying to tell me something. In
Speaker 4: the course of eighty seven hours, somebody told you something
Speaker 4: two hundred fucking times, you might think it might be
Speaker 4: a little important. So I don't know how you just
Speaker 4: easily disregard that then.
Speaker 1: Because the entire book says multiple things like thousands of
Speaker 1: times that are way more important.
Speaker 2: Than that one thing two hundred times. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It talks about how, like we're gonna get technical here,
Speaker 1: Israel being property of the Jews.
Speaker 2: It talks about that a whole hell of a lot. Sure, sure,
Speaker 2: more than the Earth being flat, right right.
Speaker 5: It also starts with it though, too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the thing is that it is mentioned
Speaker 4: so many times. It's like literally in the beginning, like
Speaker 4: that's how it starts, and like, you know, imagine like this,
Speaker 4: you know, you talk about a story about how whenever
Speaker 4: your kids were younger, your son touched the stove, right, like,
Speaker 4: he touched it one time and he learned, like, all right, well,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna fucking make that mistake again, Like that's
Speaker 4: that would be stupid to keep on burning myself.
Speaker 3: Why do I need to keep on doing that?
Speaker 4: Imagine if he did that two hundred fucking times, bro,
Speaker 4: and he still didn't get it. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: you'd be thinking, you'd be thinking, my god, what is
Speaker 4: do I have a malfunctioning son over here? Like he
Speaker 4: doesn't get it? Like two hundred times you're touching this,
Speaker 4: you're touching this hot stove. And so that's the point
Speaker 4: that I'm trying to make is that you know, you
Speaker 4: don't just out of the blue for no reason, not
Speaker 4: like pay attention to that kind of thing. And at
Speaker 4: that point, it's just like, you know, what is the
Speaker 4: excuse as to why you don't believe it? If the
Speaker 4: center and the core of all your beliefs are pointing that,
Speaker 4: like where we're living at isn't necessarily a ball.
Speaker 1: Because once again, if you read the Bible cover to
Speaker 1: cover and the one takeaway you got from it was
Speaker 1: that the earth is flat, then I have a very
Speaker 1: fundamental issue with your knowledge gathering.
Speaker 2: That's my point.
Speaker 1: That's like reading to Kill a Mockingbird and you learned
Speaker 1: the one thing you took away from it was the
Speaker 1: proper cement mixture.
Speaker 2: When he cemented the not hole in the tree.
Speaker 3: Closed, No idea would be the equivalent like bro, No,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's all you should take from it,
Speaker 3: but it should be a thing that you take from it,
Speaker 3: right is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a thing we should take from it? Does
Speaker 1: it matter in the grand scheme of it? Does it
Speaker 1: matter on the salvation side of it to get somebody
Speaker 1: to get to heaven?
Speaker 2: It doesn't make a collective fuck.
Speaker 1: Now, if it helps somebody come to the faith because
Speaker 1: it resonates with them and it it harps on something
Speaker 1: that means something to them, then I'm all for it.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that I also agree with it.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 4: If there were like cardinals and popes and biblical scholars
Speaker 4: that you know, have confirmed yes, this is what the
Speaker 4: Bible was talking about, it was talking about flat, does
Speaker 4: that make you look at the Bible in a different way?
Speaker 4: Because if it's wrong about that could be wrong about everything.
Speaker 4: Is that why you don't accept it?
Speaker 1: Those same cardinals that put Galileo on house arrest for
Speaker 1: saying some wild shit that was literally what I'm saying now, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: we've had them.
Speaker 2: What's your point.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're missing my point here.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're missing mine. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I have.
Speaker 5: A take on this here. I really really think Jacob
Speaker 5: knows that the Earth is flat, I think, and I
Speaker 5: don't think he wants to admit it because he doesn't
Speaker 5: want a David Weite's tramp stamp. And I don't, you know,
Speaker 5: that's just me.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: That is, absolutely the bet that is still on the table, bro,
Speaker 1: I have not forgotten the terms of that bet.
Speaker 5: I know, I know. I don't blame you or for
Speaker 5: not wanting to admit it. I think maybe there could
Speaker 5: be some other reasons too, But I think I think
Speaker 5: Jacob knows. I you know, that's just my humble opinion,
Speaker 5: and I mean no disrespect.
Speaker 3: Look, I get it.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I'm you know, if you believe in
Speaker 4: constellations and stuff like well, not believe in constellations, but
Speaker 4: you know, the zodiacs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But like, you know, I'm a Taurus. I get the stubbornness.
Speaker 3: I do. But at some point we've had literal probably
Speaker 3: one hundred hours of conversation through the course of the
Speaker 3: four and a half years that we've done this show. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: that's crazy to me that you have not budged since
Speaker 3: day one.
Speaker 1: No, because I've been presented no information that makes me
Speaker 1: seriously question my plane of existence.
Speaker 5: Have you ever tried seeing long distance? Have you gone
Speaker 5: to the dunes of the or the Michigan Sand Dunes
Speaker 5: and see in Chicago from sixty miles away? Because that
Speaker 5: was I'll be told like that when I saw that,
Speaker 5: And because when I saw it, you know, you can
Speaker 5: go online and you can see that, you can see it,
Speaker 5: and then you can go and see the news clip
Speaker 5: of the newscaster saying this is a mirage, and then
Speaker 5: you know, like I literally went back and forth with
Speaker 5: a friend of mine who we both have lived by
Speaker 5: Chicago our whole lives, and he's like, he showed me
Speaker 5: a picture where you could see Chicago and he was like, dude,
Speaker 5: that is fake. You can tell it's like manipulated. I'm like,
Speaker 5: and then he showed me one and I was like, no,
Speaker 5: that's fake, and I'm like, screw this, I'm going there.
Speaker 5: And when you see it with your own eyes, and
Speaker 5: then you you don't look at flat earth map or math,
Speaker 5: but you look at the math that is in the
Speaker 5: books and is in you know, NASA has given us
Speaker 5: that the newscasters saying you're seeing a mirage, and you
Speaker 5: know that people like, why is his name gonna evade me.
Speaker 5: Right now, Flat Earther has literally done a NonStop video
Speaker 5: video sixty miles across with out taking it off Chicago
Speaker 5: to know it's not a mirage. If you were to
Speaker 5: go there and you were see that with your own eyes,
Speaker 5: would it change your mind? Or are you so stuck
Speaker 5: in a ball that nothing would change it.
Speaker 1: I've never been to Shyrak, not gonna lie. I would
Speaker 1: like to check it out one day. I've heard the
Speaker 1: bean is worth seeing. Also, I need to experience Geno's East.
Speaker 1: I've heard that the Deep Dish pizza is worth the trip.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but one day, when I make that trip,
Speaker 1: I would like to see this with my own eyes.
Speaker 2: Yes, now, I'm.
Speaker 1: Also not so stubborn that I would be unchanged when
Speaker 1: presented that information. Hell, I have even suggested that we
Speaker 1: Jonathan and I had the Cult of Conspiracy send up
Speaker 1: a weather balloon with multiple different cameras. He We'll have
Speaker 1: cult members send us cameras to where we There's no
Speaker 1: question about chicanery and buffoonery on it ain't.
Speaker 2: No fish islands is on shit. We will will vlog
Speaker 2: the whole thing, right, I would.
Speaker 1: Love to send that up and see what we find
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity.
Speaker 2: I would love for me and Jonathan to take it.
Speaker 1: There's trips that you could take to uh, forget whatever.
Speaker 1: I honest fear stratusphe or whatever to quote unquote experience
Speaker 1: zero gravity.
Speaker 2: And yes, I know the balloons were a nice touch.
Speaker 2: That was dope.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's real life or not. I
Speaker 1: would like to experience that for sure. But you know,
Speaker 1: with that being said, yes, I've done long distance shooting.
Speaker 1: I've done I've looked at long distances through scopes and
Speaker 1: things like that, And yes, I believe that there is
Speaker 1: a curvature of our Earth. Now, I will acknowledge that
Speaker 1: NASA has lied to us about a metric fuck ton
Speaker 1: of things, which is larger than a regular fuck ton,
Speaker 1: no doubt. And I will also give props to the
Speaker 1: flat earther community for bringing these things to light, not
Speaker 1: saying that their math is one hundred percent accurate, not
Speaker 1: saying that the size and.
Speaker 2: Shape of our Earth is accurately what they tell us
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I'll even say that I believe that
Speaker 1: we are more or less on a ball of flat plates,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, think of a forty.
Speaker 2: Sided sixty sided.
Speaker 1: Ball like a soccer ball, so to speak, with all
Speaker 1: the panels and each of them individually are flat as fuck.
Speaker 1: So shooting a laser across something like this, I'll even
Speaker 1: give that acknowledgement hundred percent.
Speaker 5: Like a golf ball, like the time, like a little hole.
Speaker 2: Sort of right.
Speaker 1: But I feel like and even that I feel like
Speaker 1: as an oversimplification my soccer ball, I feel like it
Speaker 1: is an oversimplification, but to a more or less degree.
Speaker 1: In there's peaks, and there's valleys, and there's ridges and
Speaker 1: all of these things. Yes, but that is what I
Speaker 1: do currently believe is the operating Now. Gravity is something
Speaker 1: that I think is interesting. We can track it, we
Speaker 1: can scale it, we can't reproduce it.
Speaker 2: No, I understand that. I also don't believe this space
Speaker 2: is a vacuum.
Speaker 1: I believe it's more of a fluid, if anything, something
Speaker 1: that really doesn't fit nicely into our solid liquid or
Speaker 1: gas status of shit, But definitely not a vacuum.
Speaker 5: So what if you think it's liquid? What are you?
Speaker 5: Are you moon landing Denier and sending rovers to Mars Denier?
Speaker 5: What are yours?
Speaker 6: That?
Speaker 1: I believe that the first moon landing was an absolute hoax,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't even be shocked if the first few
Speaker 1: were absolute bullshit. I believe that we probably have been
Speaker 1: to the Moon. I don't believe that was something that
Speaker 1: was televised or recorded, or if it was, it's something
Speaker 1: that we've never seen.
Speaker 2: I believe that they have gone to the dark side
Speaker 2: of the Moon.
Speaker 1: I believe that was the actual purpose of them ever
Speaker 1: going there in the first place. The reason why I
Speaker 1: believe that we have been to the Moon and I
Speaker 1: can't speak to the rover on Mars, well, I actually
Speaker 1: tend to believe that one. But I'll get to that
Speaker 1: in a minute. That's because the dick that was drawn
Speaker 1: on the surface, but we'll get there. So anyway, So
Speaker 1: the Moon situation there is currently you can buy a
Speaker 1: laser beam and you've been able to do this for
Speaker 1: a few years now, and you can lock it on
Speaker 1: to a reflective plate that was left on the Moon
Speaker 1: a couple of missions ago. Now, if you miss it,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have the results. So it's not something
Speaker 1: you could see with your own eyes. But you can
Speaker 1: shoot a beam and you can track the amount of
Speaker 1: time it takes to hit the reflective plate and come
Speaker 1: back to your sensor. You have to get it right
Speaker 1: on a certain time, you have to do it on
Speaker 1: a certain night. Everything has to be perfect for you
Speaker 1: to be able to do this. But even in the
Speaker 1: civilian market you can buy this and do it at
Speaker 1: your house.
Speaker 2: That plate had to have been left on the Moon.
Speaker 1: You can't just fire it up and it's so reflective
Speaker 1: it's gonna work anytime you do it anywhere.
Speaker 2: It has to has to hit this plate.
Speaker 1: So somebody had to have gone up there and left it.
Speaker 1: So I do believe that humans have been to the Moon.
Speaker 1: Why were they sent, who actually was sent, what was
Speaker 1: their mission?
Speaker 2: Who fucking knows. So that's my take on it.
Speaker 1: The particles of the moon, the moon rocks that they
Speaker 1: came back with, and all of that all have been
Speaker 1: confirmed to be petrified. Would no actual sample of anything
Speaker 1: from the Moon has ever been recovered or brought back
Speaker 1: that we know of, So I think that there was
Speaker 1: a more of a we're going there to do a thing,
Speaker 1: not we're going there to bring something back. Although I'm
Speaker 1: not sure about the helium three particle. That one's interesting
Speaker 1: because allegedly that came from the Moon.
Speaker 2: The Mars rover thing.
Speaker 1: I think we may have gone there with the rover
Speaker 1: simply because they had to do what they could to
Speaker 1: scribble out the dick that was drawn on the surface
Speaker 1: of by some asshole who was at the wheel one
Speaker 1: night and just drew a dick like with the tire tracks.
Speaker 1: And if that wasn't real, NASA wouldn't have gone as
Speaker 1: far as to try to cover that up and dispel
Speaker 1: that it was faking like.
Speaker 2: It was like, no, dude, that's real as fuck. So
Speaker 2: that's just me.
Speaker 4: You could have you could have just drawn a dick
Speaker 4: somewhere in Greenland and it, you know, accidentally like showed
Speaker 4: itself on the footage.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'll do that.
Speaker 1: I'll say that whatever the whatever the Mars rover, whether
Speaker 1: that's in Greenland or on Mars, that thing left a
Speaker 1: dick print somewhere.
Speaker 2: I'll say that much. I don't know if that's on
Speaker 2: Mars or not.
Speaker 5: Fair point, what are your thoughts with the super fluid? Then?
Speaker 5: How are they getting through a super fluid to get
Speaker 5: to the moon and how is that just I'm just
Speaker 5: curious in your mind.
Speaker 1: So when I say a fluid, I want you to
Speaker 1: take away when you think of a liquid, okay, and
Speaker 1: think take away when you think of a gas. So
Speaker 1: I worked in industry, and when we use the term
Speaker 1: for fluid mechanics, it was literally something that can be
Speaker 1: pumped from point A to point B through a pipe.
Speaker 1: That could be chlorine gas, that could be water, that
Speaker 1: could be a sugar gel, syrup, like anything that could
Speaker 1: be flow through a point.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I believe that space, or at least what's outside
Speaker 1: of our atmosphere is more of a fluid type of thing,
Speaker 1: not necessarily a gel, not necessarily a gas, and not
Speaker 1: necessarily a liquid. I think it's something that doesn't fit
Speaker 1: neatly into our periodic table, and it doesn't fit neatly
Speaker 1: into our phases of existence. It's somewhere in between when
Speaker 1: something's going sublime, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: I believe our atmosphere more is more or less like
Speaker 1: an air bubble in a quote unquote see of this
Speaker 1: plasmic fluid, so to speak.
Speaker 5: Gotcha. I did you know a lot of people, a
Speaker 5: lot of flat earthers talk about satalloons and how satellites
Speaker 5: are on giant helium filled balloons, and I think those exist.
Speaker 5: But I also did a video on how liquid oxygen
Speaker 5: potentially up high in the air would freeze, and it's
Speaker 5: how it's becomes magnetic and how you know, I don't
Speaker 5: think there's only satellites on balloons, but I think they
Speaker 5: literally launched satellites into the firmament and use some sort
Speaker 5: of you know, magnetic material that somehow connects to that
Speaker 5: liquid oxygen and then can do some sort of toroidal
Speaker 5: you know field with a little propulsion that they just
Speaker 5: happen to have that NASA has patterns with. So I
Speaker 5: do think, you know, just me not agreeing with you
Speaker 5: and your no no beliefs, I think no, but that
Speaker 5: could work some satellites up there that aren't just balloons
Speaker 5: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: No, and they could power themselves off of the electrons
Speaker 1: that high up in the iono sphere.
Speaker 2: Like I mean it, really if they just even.
Speaker 1: Had a couple of wires out there to collect the
Speaker 1: free ions, that could honestly power the propulsion system and
Speaker 1: the electromagnet system. Talking about so like to your point,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm open to a lot of ideas here.
Speaker 1: I do believe that sadalloons are a thing one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I also believe that rockets are a thing one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I'm a Christian who believes that demons and angels are real,
Speaker 1: but also aliens and extraterrestrial lives on other planets.
Speaker 2: I believe all of that is real. I'm all over
Speaker 2: the place with a lot of things.
Speaker 5: You know, do you have you seen any of my
Speaker 5: holographic rocket videos I've done. I do a lot of
Speaker 5: or I used to do a lot of those. I
Speaker 5: don't as much anymore. Kind of tying into I think
Speaker 5: they are testing a lot of those SpaceX rockets on
Speaker 5: us to see how how much we'll believe when they
Speaker 5: maybe throw Project Blue Being at us.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you what your thoughts were about
Speaker 1: Project Blue Being.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, especially now.
Speaker 1: That I know that you are of the faith right
Speaker 1: to a degree, to your degree, right, Yeah, I have.
Speaker 5: Different I have different thoughts I think than the majority
Speaker 5: of people. I think, you know, I think Blue Beam
Speaker 5: is kind of like Clones. To me, It's become so
Speaker 5: mainstream that in my mind, it's like they wanted that
Speaker 5: out there, and I think, you know, I think they
Speaker 5: have Blue Beam out there. So individuals like us with
Speaker 5: open minds who have looked into things, look at some
Speaker 5: sort of craft or you know, a floating city of
Speaker 5: Jerusalem or whatever it is, and we say, hey, that's
Speaker 5: Blue Beam, that's holographic the NORMALI say, hey, that's aliens
Speaker 5: from outer space, when in fact, maybe it's you know,
Speaker 5: something spiritual coming through the firmament, fallen angels Jesus on
Speaker 5: You know the question.
Speaker 2: Do you believe that when we see these right? Just you? Now,
Speaker 2: just you?
Speaker 1: Do you believe that when that time comes, we'll see
Speaker 1: the angels in Jesus on clouds of glory? Do you
Speaker 1: believe that it will be a complete project? Bluebeam si out?
Speaker 1: Do you believe both are equally true and valid and possible?
Speaker 2: Where yet?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a big believer, and you guys probably know
Speaker 5: of it, just being who you are, But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't see do you guys know? J T follows
Speaker 5: JC you ever have asked. I'm a big believer in
Speaker 5: living in the little little season and thinking that the
Speaker 5: millennial reign was probably Tartaria and all that, So I,
Speaker 5: you know, I believe that, and I do think when
Speaker 5: we see things in the sky, it's probably going to
Speaker 5: be a combination of things of real maybe spiritual warfare,
Speaker 5: or you know, good angels versus bad angels, and potentially
Speaker 5: the holographic stuff up there to just throw more confusion
Speaker 5: into the mix. So and I do this is like
Speaker 5: one of the craziest things that I've put out there.
Speaker 5: And I know that I'm not, you know, naive to
Speaker 5: the fact, but I do think there will be a
Speaker 5: fake Jesus. And I honestly think it's going to be
Speaker 5: played by Jim Carrey. I really do.
Speaker 2: Insane Christ is going to be Jim Carrey did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, he already played Biden, and
Speaker 5: I think there is so much symbolism of him. Every
Speaker 5: single movie he's ever done, he's got the Jesus pose,
Speaker 5: either as his front cover or somewhere in the movie.
Speaker 5: And I just think it's predictive programming. There's a we
Speaker 5: mentioned it earlier. The there's a documentary when he played
Speaker 5: Andy Kaufman and he's kind of talking about it at
Speaker 5: the end. He's talking about how I wonder if I
Speaker 5: could just do that, could I just you know, I
Speaker 5: was he played Andy Kaufman and became Andy Kaufman. He's like,
Speaker 5: I wonder if I could just become anyone. I wonder
Speaker 5: if I could just become Jesus and it was like
Speaker 5: he smirked at the camera and I was like, there's
Speaker 5: more to that. And then I went and found all
Speaker 5: like literally thirty different poses of him. In the Jesus pose,
Speaker 5: I'm like.
Speaker 2: And then he plays Bruce Almighty exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: And so something's coming with that. And in my humble opinion,
Speaker 5: and you know, that might be the craziest thing I've
Speaker 5: ever said in my social media platforms, but I think
Speaker 5: something's coming with it.
Speaker 4: I mean, dude, you got to question it though, Like
Speaker 4: that is to think that all the fucking actors that
Speaker 4: there are playing just like regular roles in real life.
Speaker 4: It's like Ready Player one video game that we're living in,
Speaker 4: and you know, like you think about the movie Ready
Speaker 4: Player one, Yeah, you had to have, you know, the
Speaker 4: the gaming system, and then you could also get like
Speaker 4: the actual gaming where and you're walking around in the
Speaker 4: video game and stuff like that, and you can change
Speaker 4: your skin.
Speaker 3: You know a lot of people playing Fortnite. That's kind
Speaker 3: of becoming a thing.
Speaker 4: And it's like, I don't know, dude, this I just
Speaker 4: questioned this reality so much. And as a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you this. So about a month ago,
Speaker 4: I did DMT for the first time, and and it
Speaker 4: was a fucking wild experience, like whenever they say you
Speaker 4: literally go through an ego death, like you absolutely experience that.
Speaker 4: And it was funny enough. I actually just saw an
Speaker 4: older video of Mike Tyson talking about his DMT experience, which, dude,
Speaker 4: I shit, you not like identical experience.
Speaker 3: He goes, oh God, what did I do?
Speaker 2: What did I do?
Speaker 4: Why did I do this? Like I'm I'm I'm about
Speaker 4: to die and then he goes, I'm dead. He goes,
Speaker 4: I died then, And this person now is like a
Speaker 4: more calmer, more softer, more caring kind of person.
Speaker 3: You saw how fucking soft you wasn't that Jake Paul fight?
Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, like I think that, you know,
Speaker 4: like whenever you go through something like that, it really
Speaker 4: changes your perspective on just about everything, and it just
Speaker 4: goes to show that you know, our our egoic self
Speaker 4: or whatever. It really is just like a video game character.
Speaker 4: And so why wouldn't everybody else kind of go through that,
Speaker 4: especially if you're an actor method acting and doing it
Speaker 4: in real life.
Speaker 3: I'm dying over here by the way sorry about that.
Speaker 4: Like I'm like going through like this sickness. I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna now getting over at my throat is fucked, which
Speaker 4: is great for my job. So yeah, but no, I
Speaker 4: just I have you ever had a psychedelic experience before
Speaker 4: mushrooms or DMT or anything like that.
Speaker 5: No, you know, I've never experimented with it. I've always
Speaker 5: been like kind of in the athlete mindset and like
Speaker 5: less is more and.
Speaker 2: All the athletes be microdos in these days. And You're right,
Speaker 2: I don't know why you ain't for sure.
Speaker 5: My brother is like always on me to do it.
Speaker 5: And I don't know when I when I had my
Speaker 5: spiritual awakening and just kind of like became aware of
Speaker 5: where we were. I was. I was having a lot
Speaker 5: of spiritual attacks, a lot of sleep paralysis, a lot
Speaker 5: of like literally like little demons on my like choking
Speaker 5: me out, and some feminine presence like some like scary shit.
Speaker 5: And that was kind of before I took on just
Speaker 5: like the full armor of God, got my Bible, got
Speaker 5: my cross, and you know, at that same time, I'm
Speaker 5: like kind of leading into it. I was trying to
Speaker 5: do some lucid dreaming and astral projection, and I was
Speaker 5: like accomplishing it. And once I kind of had those
Speaker 5: experiences and I wouldn't say it scared me away, but
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, maybe I want to like
Speaker 5: hold off, figure out where I am a little more,
Speaker 5: and just haven't dabbled back into it. Part of me
Speaker 5: thinks that's stuff happens because they're like trying to scare
Speaker 5: you away from getting deeper into it. The other part
Speaker 5: of me thinks that it's like, you know, like it's
Speaker 5: funny that happens to so many people who are waking up,
Speaker 5: because I think they leave you alone because they don't
Speaker 5: want you to know that you are in a spiritual realm.
Speaker 5: But I just haven't gotten back into it. And you know,
Speaker 5: I think my third eye is open plenty where I
Speaker 5: don't at the moment feel like I gotta dabble with
Speaker 5: that stuff, you know, like I see things that a
Speaker 5: lot of other humans don't see, you know, like finding
Speaker 5: things on the stars, like literal dog images and the stars,
Speaker 5: and I see dragons in the clouds all the time.
Speaker 5: I literally prayed one day to have God show me
Speaker 5: my dog was okay and like a perfect image. David
Speaker 5: Weiss even was like, dude, that's not paradolia, Like that
Speaker 5: is your dog in the clouds. And I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just I'm experiencing enough on the spiritual side where
Speaker 5: I don't feel the need to dabble into that stuff
Speaker 5: at the moment. So long answer to a short question.
Speaker 3: No, I get that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I just kind of I've heard
Speaker 4: a lot of people talking about it. You hear Joe
Speaker 4: Rogan's experience, in Ri Shaffer's experience, and then Mike Tyson's experience.
Speaker 4: I just always thought, like, all right, if I'm really
Speaker 4: on some kind of like journey for truth, I need
Speaker 4: to see what the fuck this is about, because it
Speaker 4: could play a large role in how I view you know,
Speaker 4: like just reality and all that kind of stuff. And dude,
Speaker 4: I've completely fucking shattered everything that I thought. I almost
Speaker 4: have to, like on purpose try and build back the
Speaker 4: character that I was, which is so fucking weird, dude,
Speaker 4: Like it's it's weird trying to take on personality traits
Speaker 4: that you once had, Like because whenever they say ego death, bro,
Speaker 4: I'm talking about like the good and the bad, they
Speaker 4: just like both go away. And so I'm trying to
Speaker 4: like reel them fuckers back in, like who am I
Speaker 4: come on, bro?
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's the thing you get to You get to
Speaker 1: reinvent yourself in every day, every day you wake up,
Speaker 1: you get to decide the person you want to be in.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the beautiful part of it.
Speaker 5: That exact those exact words. I don't know if you
Speaker 5: guys have seen, I've been on the Robin Williams trailiately
Speaker 5: been doing a bunch of Robin Williams is a live
Speaker 5: videos and he quotes the guy that I This guy's
Speaker 5: name is Uncle Pappy. He's on the social media platforms
Speaker 5: with a million followers, you know, like he's another one.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he's Robin Williams, but he's quoting Alan Watts
Speaker 5: a bunch and you know, says things like that you
Speaker 5: can reinvent yourself any day. You don't need to be
Speaker 5: who you were yesterday. And I'd like to used that
Speaker 5: be Like, look, he's telling us, Robin Williams is telling
Speaker 5: us he's this uncle Pappy dude. And just made me
Speaker 5: think of it when you were saying that.
Speaker 4: No doubt, Oh yeah, Like it's it is a weird thing, dude.
Speaker 4: It's so weird and honestly, dude, I've changed my life
Speaker 4: big time in the last month. Like the trajectory of
Speaker 4: my life is crazly different as opposed to what it
Speaker 4: was just a month ago, like literally a month ago
Speaker 4: before I did the DMT. I is not planning on
Speaker 4: moving back to Louisiana. I'm moving back to Louisiana soon
Speaker 4: because that's where everybody's at, that's where my family is,
Speaker 4: that's where like, that's where my heart is. I want
Speaker 4: to go back there, and so so, yeah, you might
Speaker 4: be seeing a lot more of me and Jacob in
Speaker 4: studio together more often.
Speaker 2: At least better to say, do we have an eta
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 4: Well, my lease is up here because I got an
Speaker 4: apartment out here in Katie, Texas, and my lease is
Speaker 4: up like middle of February, So I'm looking.
Speaker 3: To buy a house. Uh probably march Ish.
Speaker 2: Okay, grown up, Tyler, Where are you from?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 5: I was? I was lived in Lake Forest, Illinois, which
Speaker 5: is like forty five minutes north of Chicago. Born and
Speaker 5: raised there. I grew up there, taught a little bit
Speaker 5: north of there in Gray's Lake, and now I reside
Speaker 5: in near Sarasota, Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you moved to Florida.
Speaker 1: Why I mean, actually, first of all, first of all,
Speaker 1: as opposed to the cold, frigid tundra of Illinois, Yo,
Speaker 1: Florida is pimping.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, it's paradise down here, dude. I think
Speaker 5: there's some serious intentional bad mouthing of Florida, so people
Speaker 5: don't move down here. It is. Yeah, I will not
Speaker 5: miss you know, zero degree thirty degree negative windshield in
Speaker 5: Chicago for sure. So I'm you know, I've got a
Speaker 5: house that I'm renting that's got a beautiful pool and
Speaker 5: living living a good life down here, and I have
Speaker 5: no intention of being back in the Midwest.
Speaker 2: Dude. I was.
Speaker 1: I had this friend of mine, she was a traveling nurse, right,
Speaker 1: and so she was doing a little hitch in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Key mind.
Speaker 1: She was from Lafayette, Louisiana and had experienced some winters
Speaker 1: you know, around the world and whatever, but nothing like
Speaker 1: this shit. This was the year of the blizzards shit
Speaker 1: six seven years ago.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: And the warning was, hey, we don't walk out your
Speaker 1: house without a face covering because the air is so
Speaker 1: cold it might collapse your lungs. To make sure you
Speaker 1: wear something over your face to warm the air as
Speaker 1: it's going into your mouth. And I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: keep my eye am from Louisiana, Like I don't ever
Speaker 1: want to live north of it. Ten again, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to stick as close to the dirty golf of Mexico
Speaker 1: waters as possible. So to hear that that you might
Speaker 1: as well be at the fucking North Pole, Like why
Speaker 1: aren't you in Antarctica right now?
Speaker 2: And secondly, why are people living there? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: So like, bro, now you're in Florida and I feel
Speaker 1: you fuck those zero degree nothing's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I would you know. I had the golden
Speaker 5: handcuffs on, I had the teacher pension, and I was
Speaker 5: locked in. I was never leaving my.
Speaker 2: The golden handcuffs.
Speaker 5: I like that, Yeah, dude, I you know I had
Speaker 5: summers off, I had winter break, I had spring break.
Speaker 5: I was never gonna leave that. I was going to
Speaker 5: retire as a teacher and then move down here. But
Speaker 5: once I realized that, you know, I could manifest and
Speaker 5: that I was like a slave to that job. Now
Speaker 5: you know, I do what I want all day every day,
Speaker 5: and like a lot of time I'm working because I'm
Speaker 5: creating a lot of content, but like, I love doing that.
Speaker 5: And you know, I thought I was happy as a
Speaker 5: teacher with summer breaks off. Now like every day is
Speaker 5: summer break now, and and honestly, that couldn't have happened
Speaker 5: unless I figured out where I lived and you know,
Speaker 5: and figured out that I'm a spiritual being having this
Speaker 5: experience here. I didn't realize that, and so I figured
Speaker 5: out there's actually like a god that created this place.
Speaker 5: So you know, getting back to flat Earth doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: It definitely mattered for me for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh, I totally get it, dude.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's that's totally like relatable, I think
Speaker 4: at least for us too. But you know, we were
Speaker 4: talking about Louisiana, Jacob, you were talking about the Golf
Speaker 4: of Mexico, and Tyler you were talking about telling him
Speaker 4: to come out to Illinois to be able to see
Speaker 4: the flat area out there. We have a pretty particularly
Speaker 4: flat space in Louisiana known as is It Lake?
Speaker 2: Is It?
Speaker 3: The Lake Pacha train bridge is on.
Speaker 1: The largest bridge, although it's not really flat, it's a
Speaker 1: big arc at the at the middle of.
Speaker 2: It's the highest point. And then he goes downhill from there.
Speaker 4: Sure, but you can see it for miles and miles
Speaker 4: and miles when when you're on the bridge you can
Speaker 4: see you shouldn't be able to see that far, right.
Speaker 2: I think you should be able to.
Speaker 1: There's what's that one with the power poles, the electric
Speaker 1: poles that go out so far and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: how does it go that way?
Speaker 2: It's like, well, if you look at it.
Speaker 1: It's not going down, it's going up, because that's how
Speaker 1: perspective works well.
Speaker 4: And they actually proved that one that one wrong too,
Speaker 4: that if you zoom in on it with with the
Speaker 4: telescope or or whatever, that it all really is just
Speaker 4: flat and level, you know. So that's where I that's
Speaker 4: where I question it, you know. And I'm not I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to sit here and say that I'm a
Speaker 4: full on flat earther. I love all the points that they,
Speaker 4: you know, the flat earthers bring up. I think that
Speaker 4: a flat earth there's a lot more realistic than a
Speaker 4: ball Earth because the ball Earth it just seems fucking
Speaker 4: ludicrous to me.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 5: I don't know, so I think I you know, this
Speaker 5: is an unofficial this is just I haven't seen anything further,
Speaker 5: and I think I unofficially set the long distance photography
Speaker 5: record without elevation. So I was in Jacksonville a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks ago, and I wasn't doing anything flat earth related.
Speaker 5: I was just my wife and I were walking on
Speaker 5: the beach looking for shark teeth, and I just kept
Speaker 5: seeing what looked like buildings in the distance and they
Speaker 5: were like real low and real thing. I just kept looking.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what is that? And I asked a couple
Speaker 5: of the locals. They're like, I don't know. You can't
Speaker 5: always see it, but it's always there. And I'm like,
Speaker 5: I got out my Google and I aimed a little blue,
Speaker 5: you know, directional thing right at it. And I was
Speaker 5: looking right at Charleston, which is Charleston, South Carolina, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, no freaking way. I'm like, you know, even
Speaker 5: as a flat earther, I'm like, there's no freaking way
Speaker 5: I'm seeing Charleston one hundred and ninety three miles away
Speaker 5: from Jacksonville, Florida. So I didn't have my nikon camera,
Speaker 5: but I did everything I could to like screenshot at
Speaker 5: a video and zoom in and this and that and
Speaker 5: and I got it good. Enough where I could make
Speaker 5: out some of the shapes and of the buildings. And
Speaker 5: I went and I tried to match it up, and
Speaker 5: like did the I did one image and another image
Speaker 5: of Charleston. The images I captured and faded it in
Speaker 5: and out, and it is a perfect match for Charleston.
Speaker 5: And then I went back there a week later. I
Speaker 5: had to wait for like the perfect conditions, and I
Speaker 5: needed to go back really fast because the sun is
Speaker 5: traveling south for the winter, you know, in the flat
Speaker 5: Earth model, it's kind of doing it's loop, and it's
Speaker 5: traveling further south. So I had to get out there
Speaker 5: before it would move too far away to backlight the
Speaker 5: city of Charleston. And I went back with my nikon.
Speaker 5: I woke up at three in the morning, drove four hours,
Speaker 5: and I get there and it's freaking hazy. So you know,
Speaker 5: it's like, I know, I saw what I saw, but
Speaker 5: to actually prove it, I needed the Nikon camera.
Speaker 2: But that's one hundred and sixty miles.
Speaker 1: Is that how as the crow flies one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty or is that drive time one hundred and sixty.
Speaker 5: One hundred and ninety four miles directly across Google Maps
Speaker 5: from point to point, so like across the ocean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so straight shot as the crow flies. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: so you were able to see this.
Speaker 2: And what is the the.
Speaker 5: Twenty five thousand miles of curvature there were supposed or
Speaker 5: twenty five thousand feet of curvature is supposed to be
Speaker 5: there based on the globe map.
Speaker 1: So that's one, you know, a thousand feet of curvature,
Speaker 1: and that's what one is it eight inches per one
Speaker 1: foot or something like that.
Speaker 5: Eight inches per mile squared? And I think twenty five
Speaker 5: thousand feet was something like six feet or six miles
Speaker 5: or something like that. So I mean it's if I
Speaker 5: saw what I saw, its undeniable evidence, but I'm not
Speaker 5: one hundred percent sure it was like a well.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. So you were seeing like the tops
Speaker 2: of the buildings right.
Speaker 5: Enough to identify what they were? Yeah, definitely not the
Speaker 5: bottoms of the buildings.
Speaker 1: Right, But that wouldn't that make sense if there was
Speaker 1: a slight pitch to the area that you would see
Speaker 1: the tops of these buildings in a crystal day where
Speaker 1: the conditions are right.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean not not based on the amount of
Speaker 5: curvature that's supposed to be because.
Speaker 1: I don't know the height of the buildings or anything.
Speaker 1: These aren't I don't think they're skyscrapers.
Speaker 5: Are talking they're not twenty five thousand feet. Yeah, there's
Speaker 5: no such thing as a twenty three.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: You're talking about twenty five thousand feet. Was the elevation
Speaker 1: that you were supposed to be seeing.
Speaker 5: That was the amount in the in the earth curvature calculator,
Speaker 5: and I did it in like five of them, not
Speaker 5: the flat earth curvature calculator, the earth curvature like the
Speaker 5: think there's an omni calculator. There was supposed to be
Speaker 5: twenty five thousand feet of obscured object. They label it
Speaker 5: as whoa.
Speaker 4: So you shouldn't be able to see that building or
Speaker 4: any of those buildings if you're talking about twenty feet.
Speaker 5: All, and even if you would like, you know, it'd
Speaker 5: be like totally perpendicular to where it should be. And
Speaker 5: those things are pointing straight up, you know. If you
Speaker 5: catch my drift.
Speaker 2: On that, I did think of how the helmet do
Speaker 2: the math on this? Hold on, man, you're fucking me up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the math is the math you shouldn't
Speaker 4: be able to see The math is math. I feel
Speaker 4: like I'm fucking Trump right now, but like, you shouldn't
Speaker 4: be able to see that much of a building if
Speaker 4: you're supposed if you're taking away twenty five thousand feet
Speaker 4: of the curvature, you would you would be obviously rising
Speaker 4: it up from the ground and it would be going
Speaker 4: over the tops of those buildings because none of those
Speaker 4: buildings are twenty five thousand feet and so that's I
Speaker 4: don't know what to do with that.
Speaker 5: I mean, if it's what I think it is, it's
Speaker 5: the greatest flat earth proof that anyone's ever come up with,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, because it's there's no refraction, you know, Chicago.
Speaker 5: You can maybe say the buildings are refracted up because
Speaker 5: it's supposed to be sixteen hundred feet of curvature. Sixteen
Speaker 5: hundred feet is different than twenty five thousand feet of curvature.
Speaker 5: That would mean the building is literally traveling six miles
Speaker 5: up into the air and light was curving around the
Speaker 5: ball so you could see it. I mean, it's like
Speaker 5: total nonsense.
Speaker 4: It would literally have to be a skyscraper literally scraping
Speaker 4: the fucking sky.
Speaker 5: Ye you know what I mean scrapping the firmament basically.
Speaker 3: Right, right?
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about the firmament though, So as
Speaker 4: far as the firmament goes, where at least the people
Speaker 4: who are like pro firmament are you? Is it of
Speaker 4: your opinion that all of the stars are basically the
Speaker 4: same distance away from us?
Speaker 3: I guess depending on where you're at on the.
Speaker 4: Earth as far as the equation, or if you're at
Speaker 4: the North Pole, or if you're just here in America
Speaker 4: or whatever. But like would if they're all like on
Speaker 4: a blanket, that means that they would all be relatively
Speaker 4: the same distance from us, right, that you wouldn't have
Speaker 4: stars that are billions of light years away?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 5: Right? Yeah? Well, I do you know, like I do think,
Speaker 5: like I said, living down here in Florida, I do
Speaker 5: feel like the stars are closer because I think the
Speaker 5: firmament or the stars are somehow in the firmament, and
Speaker 5: I think the firmament being dome shaped. I think the
Speaker 5: further south you go, the lower the furment gets. So
Speaker 5: I look up in the night sky every single day,
Speaker 5: I had my nightkin out every day, Like the stars
Speaker 5: are noticeably closer here than one thousand miles north in Chicago,
Speaker 5: or twelve hundred miles north in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Right right.
Speaker 4: But like let's say you're out in Florida right now,
Speaker 4: and you look up in the sky. All the stars
Speaker 4: that are seemingly bigger, all the stars that are seemingly
Speaker 4: smaller or farther away or closer, that's just what size
Speaker 4: they are on the firmament, awarding to your perspective at
Speaker 4: that moment.
Speaker 5: Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 5: You know, I think there could be different sized stars,
Speaker 5: but I think it's based on their luminosity. You know.
Speaker 5: Like one of the things that I found super cool is,
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of people know that the Pyramids
Speaker 5: of Egypt are built aligned with the with Orion's belt,
Speaker 5: But one of the things I didn't know at first
Speaker 5: was that they're also the size of them is built
Speaker 5: on the luminosity of the stars. So the brighter the star,
Speaker 5: the bigger the pyramid. So the Great Pyramid is aligned
Speaker 5: with the brightest star of Orion's belt. So you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know if the size of the stars are different,
Speaker 5: the brightness of the star is different. If they are
Speaker 5: further distances within the firmament. I don't know that's speculation for.
Speaker 4: Me, Okay, I mean, dude, look, I love talking about
Speaker 4: all this kind of stuff because I think that if
Speaker 4: you keep an open mind and just not automatically say, oh,
Speaker 4: here's another fucking flat earth. They're talking about flat earth
Speaker 4: kind of shit, like I think the no if you
Speaker 4: just listen to it, and even if you're just viewing
Speaker 4: it as entertainment, like just let it come and soak
Speaker 4: up your soul and your consciousness and just look at
Speaker 4: it for what he's trying to say. Here it starts
Speaker 4: to make a little bit of sense, and that why
Speaker 4: does flat earth make so much sense? That's the question.
Speaker 4: It should be so asinine. It shouldn't even be close
Speaker 4: to anything that they're talking about is truth. If we
Speaker 4: live on a ball, this should all be ridiculous. None
Speaker 4: of it should make sense. That's the way I look
Speaker 4: at it thousand percent.
Speaker 5: And you know, just for people listening, like I've been
Speaker 5: a flatter through a year and a half and I
Speaker 5: thought it was the stupidest thing I ever heard of.
Speaker 5: I literally told my wife this was just like before
Speaker 5: I was even starting to research things, but kept behind
Speaker 5: the curve kept popping up on Netflix, and I looked
Speaker 5: at my wife down in the face. I was like,
Speaker 5: I think I got to watch this just to see
Speaker 5: one like an hour and a half documentary. I got
Speaker 5: to watch this to see how one person in today's
Speaker 5: age can believe the Earth is flat, and like I
Speaker 5: was watching it, like, come on, proved like have one
Speaker 5: thought that would make me be like, okay, I could
Speaker 5: see how they would at least see that, and I
Speaker 5: watched the movie. Something came up with like flight pass.
Speaker 5: I was like, well, that's kind of interesting. And then
Speaker 5: by the end of the movie they proved that wrong,
Speaker 5: and I was like, flat Earth is the stupidest thing ever.
Speaker 5: That movie just proved to me how dumb it is.
Speaker 5: And what I didn't realize at the time is that
Speaker 5: that movie was completely created to do exactly what it
Speaker 5: did to me is make me not think about flat
Speaker 5: Earth again for another year and a half until I
Speaker 5: started waking up to other things, and then I was like,
Speaker 5: wait a second, like maybe I should look back at
Speaker 5: flat Earth, especially now that I'm seeing there are dog
Speaker 5: images in the stars that I'm looking at with my
Speaker 5: own eyes. And that's a whole nother story for you know,
Speaker 5: a whole other podcast. But yeah, that I mean bottom
Speaker 5: line is that Netflix documentary is meant to make people
Speaker 5: think it's stupid.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this now, as we're talking about
Speaker 1: stars in the firmament, and you brought up the Mars
Speaker 1: rover earlier. What is your take on other planets or
Speaker 1: the galaxy as we think of it, or what actually
Speaker 1: is out there? What do you think is really going
Speaker 1: on on the other side of our firmament.
Speaker 5: It's a good question. You know. I can only speculate,
Speaker 5: and I've changed my mind with my speculation. But you know,
Speaker 5: when I first woke up, my initial thoughts were, we're here.
Speaker 5: We're in this realm of sorts. There's the firmament, and
Speaker 5: then it's the spirit world. And then you know, the
Speaker 5: more research I've done, the more I've seen, I think
Speaker 5: there's got to be more outside of here. I think
Speaker 5: potentially we are in like this enclosed, tiny little bubble
Speaker 5: system and maybe we're the only you know, like I
Speaker 5: think potentially we're like ants in a much bigger world.
Speaker 5: Because some of the things that I have found just
Speaker 5: in Google Maps, you know, like I found aagon that
Speaker 5: is literally like one hundred miles long in Utah, and
Speaker 5: and I think it's it's very clear that this thing existed.
Speaker 5: It's very clear. You know, there's scale. You can like
Speaker 5: track the scales. You can see its jaw and its
Speaker 5: teeth and its molars. They even like where its mouth
Speaker 5: is petrified. You can even if they even call it
Speaker 5: dragon dragon Head Canyon. Like, there's so much evidence that
Speaker 5: these giant creatures existed. And to me, I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: where we live seems too small to have housed a
Speaker 5: hundred mile long dragon. So I think there's potentially more
Speaker 5: outside of here. And we're just in this protected little
Speaker 5: terrarium that God for some reason really likes and has
Speaker 5: an interest in. And you know, maybe if that firmament
Speaker 5: never opens up, that's why there's underground tunnels, because to
Speaker 5: hide from the scary one hundred mile creatures that would
Speaker 5: want to eat us or whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: So, as far as other planets go, what are you
Speaker 1: you take on that.
Speaker 2: We're given the moon?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: But yeah, answer the planet? When then I have questions
Speaker 2: about that? Yeah, first plan.
Speaker 5: You know, I think potentially, just again my thought on it,
Speaker 5: I think planets are potentially where potentially where fallen angels
Speaker 5: came through the firmament. Potentially that like they left a hole.
Speaker 5: Potentially they're portals. Potentially they're even holding cells. Like you
Speaker 5: guys remember the original Christopher Reeves Superman when the three
Speaker 5: bad guys were like thrown into the little like mirrored
Speaker 5: thing and like trapped in there and in space. You know,
Speaker 5: part of me thinks that, you know, some fallen angels
Speaker 5: are trapped in the planets and that's why you know
Speaker 5: they call these Greek god's names or these ancient god's
Speaker 5: names and worshiped Venus and Saturn and all these things.
Speaker 5: I don't know all that speculation. Again, Like the only
Speaker 5: thing I know is it's not something quintillions of miles
Speaker 5: away that's a burning ball gas.
Speaker 1: Well, not just the Sun like for instance, Mercury, Jupiter,
Speaker 1: Mars even right, do you believe these planets like they
Speaker 1: were looking at through a telescope and an observatory or whatever.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that that's like Mars is actually a
Speaker 1: red ball of rust and stuff, or do you believe
Speaker 1: it's more just the star that's fixated in the firmament
Speaker 1: that we call.
Speaker 5: Wars, Yeah, the one you know, like the Bible used
Speaker 5: to call them their Bible refers to him as wandering stars.
Speaker 5: I mean, there are lights in the firmament. And that's
Speaker 5: about as much as I can say. You know, like
Speaker 5: I zoomed in on Saturn really well the other day.
Speaker 5: And the funny thing is is I remember seeing Saturn
Speaker 5: when I was in college. I went to school with
Speaker 5: a really good observatory, and I remember looking at it
Speaker 5: and telling my I'm like, man, it looks fake. And
Speaker 5: so you know, I don't know, I don't think they're terrifying.
Speaker 1: You've seen in observatory, and like you've seen them on
Speaker 1: a good night like with the planets and ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And I have a you know, a really
Speaker 5: good zoom camera. I've got the PW one thousand zoom camera.
Speaker 5: I look on a daily basis, and you know, they're
Speaker 5: producing their own light. I don't think they're reflecting the
Speaker 5: sun light from ninety three million miles. Well, you know,
Speaker 5: for something like Jupiter, the sun would have to be
Speaker 5: projecting its late eight hundred million miles, well seven hundred
Speaker 5: million miles and then another eight hundred million miles back
Speaker 5: to us for us to see Jupiter in the sky.
Speaker 1: And well, I'm just happy you're seeing the planets, because
Speaker 1: so many people say they look through a telescope and
Speaker 1: all they see is like through a liquid haze of
Speaker 1: a light or something. I'm like, no, no, At an
Speaker 1: observatory you can really see Mars. And like, no, you
Speaker 1: mean the light spectrum of Mars. I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: the planet, the ball.
Speaker 5: Well, so I've Saturn looks like Saturn, not like they like.
Speaker 5: It doesn't look like like the rings they show and
Speaker 5: the colors they show. I see what looks to be spherical.
Speaker 5: It could just be round and not sphakal. It looks
Speaker 5: like that. There is definitely a ring around it. Mars.
Speaker 5: I you know, Mars, I definitely don't see with much color.
Speaker 5: It's just bright and shimmering. But Saturn and Venus to.
Speaker 2: Venus, Venus is right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the brightest thing in the sky other than
Speaker 5: the Moon and the Sun. And yeah, and you know,
Speaker 5: I don't see anything there but shimmering light when I
Speaker 5: zoom in on it. And one of the things about
Speaker 5: Venus that people should think about is it is supposedly
Speaker 5: closer to the Sun than us. You know, so if
Speaker 5: you try to think of like the Solar system, they
Speaker 5: give us Venus would be inside of the Earth closer
Speaker 5: to the Sun, so you should only be able to
Speaker 5: see Venus when you were on the dark side of
Speaker 5: or no, I'm sorry, the bright side of the Earth,
Speaker 5: because if it's inside of Earth, you would have to
Speaker 5: be facing the Sun to see Venus. But we see
Speaker 5: Venus when we're facing away from the Sun, so we
Speaker 5: would be facing away from the Sun. Yet Venus is
Speaker 5: closer to the Sun. Yet somehow we still see Venus.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if I painted a great picture
Speaker 5: for that, but it's just another evidence that what they're
Speaker 5: telling us is and exactly lining up.
Speaker 2: Heard that.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, so you believe that at least planets exist,
Speaker 1: but they may not be what they tell us that
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: Now, what is.
Speaker 1: Your take on the moon and again, completely conjecture, completely
Speaker 1: super independent, hypothetical to you. We've heard people say that
Speaker 1: it's a fake. We've had people say that it's hollow.
Speaker 1: We've had people say that it's an alien parking lot.
Speaker 1: We've had people say that, I mean, name your thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your research at this time has led you to believe what.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll start with, as I was waking up, I
Speaker 5: definitely was of the mindset that it was some sort
Speaker 5: of you know, alien base or something, and that the
Speaker 5: dark side of the moon. Like what I didn't realize
Speaker 5: at the time, and you know, I fully realize this
Speaker 5: now as a flat ear through because it kind of
Speaker 5: just lets you know how they do things is they
Speaker 5: don't just lie about something. They create a lie and
Speaker 5: then lie about that, and then lie about that. So
Speaker 5: there's like lay of it. And you know, one of
Speaker 5: the ones with the Moon is all right, the initial
Speaker 5: thing is if you're just like, you know, if you
Speaker 5: just believe what we're told they landed on the moon, Okay.
Speaker 5: The next thing is, okay, they they fake the moon
Speaker 5: because they were wanting to beat Russia. So that's the
Speaker 5: first lie. And then the next lie after that is, well,
Speaker 5: they went to the moon, but you know there's secret
Speaker 5: recordings of them hearing them seeing aliens and there they
Speaker 5: really went there kind of like you said, there's aliens
Speaker 5: on the dark side of the moon. And then when
Speaker 5: you really get past all the layers, you're like, okay,
Speaker 5: you just can't go to the moon. And part of
Speaker 5: the whole moon mission was to fake taking pictures of Earth.
Speaker 5: The moon isn't something you can go to. I don't
Speaker 5: claim to know what it is. I do think there's
Speaker 5: potential that it is reflecting some of our Earth realm.
Speaker 5: But I also greatly think that it is possibly projected
Speaker 5: up there. You know, I kind of like I said,
Speaker 5: with the stars, I have found evidence that the stars
Speaker 5: are very different than even what Moost Truthers think I
Speaker 5: think there. I think we're potentially all the night sky
Speaker 5: is holographic in nature, including the moon, and I you know,
Speaker 5: I've I've done a really in my opinion, good video
Speaker 5: on the reason we can't go to the North Pole
Speaker 5: is maybe there's like maybe we're not just in a terrarium,
Speaker 5: but a planetarium where it is projecting the night sky
Speaker 5: from the North Pole that we suspiciously can't go to.
Speaker 5: And not only that, but they created a giant surveillance
Speaker 5: line called the do Line back around the Cold War.
Speaker 5: So you know, they claimed that the Dow Line was
Speaker 5: to detect anyone coming across from Russia. But my opinion
Speaker 5: is to detect anyone going towards that center of our
Speaker 5: flat realm because they don't want you to go. You know,
Speaker 5: if you see the center of the North Pole isn't
Speaker 5: like just a cold frozen tundra wasteland, and maybe there's
Speaker 5: a giant magnetic mountain or a you know, spiraling something
Speaker 5: or a projector projecting our sky that would.
Speaker 1: Kind of like the Northern lights or like the light
Speaker 1: exhaust if you will.
Speaker 5: Yeah, potentially, potentially exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've you know, we we've had Crow Triple seven
Speaker 4: on the show a couple of years ago and he.
Speaker 3: Talked about his lunar wave.
Speaker 4: I think that that lunar wave just proves that the
Speaker 4: moon is of some kind of hologram or projection or
Speaker 4: something like that, because that makes absolutely zero fucking sense
Speaker 4: to see something like like why would you see like
Speaker 4: a line on a television going on down a planet?
Speaker 4: It makes no sense. Like, I think that we're being
Speaker 4: lied to about a lot of stuff. Now do I
Speaker 4: think that the moon isn't there? I don't know where
Speaker 4: is the Moon.
Speaker 3: I actually I've actually conjured or pondered the idea of maybe.
Speaker 2: The moon conduring or pondering.
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm just pondering. I'm not conjuring yet.
Speaker 2: Both could be both.
Speaker 4: I don't want to conjure or something that's already there,
Speaker 4: you know, then it kind of takes.
Speaker 3: It away, but like the idea that.
Speaker 4: The moon could possibly be within our firmament, right like,
Speaker 4: if we're living, if there is a firmament around us,
Speaker 4: maybe the moon is inside of that, because I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's fucking I don't know, it must be pretty big,
Speaker 4: right like, And I think that, you know, if you're
Speaker 4: trying to hide something, if you're going to that moon,
Speaker 4: let's say it is in our firmament. And let's say
Speaker 4: that there are people or whatever that have stationed or
Speaker 4: whatever there that it is, you know, a place that
Speaker 4: you can get to space force like you would be
Speaker 4: able like if you if you just put it up,
Speaker 4: put up like a projection over it, you'd be able
Speaker 4: to shield everything that you're doing on the moon, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's I thought that exact thing, because I
Speaker 5: think the craters are you know, the moon could be real.
Speaker 5: It could, you know. And I'm a believer that God
Speaker 5: created two great lights, one for the day, one for
Speaker 5: the night, and that they were put in the firmament.
Speaker 5: But that doesn't mean that there couldn't be something, like
Speaker 5: you said, projecting over the front of the Moon to
Speaker 5: make the craters kind of align with the whole we're
Speaker 5: living in this infinite galaxy with you know, and all
Speaker 5: these things coming at us.
Speaker 1: Hey, some people believe that if you were to look
Speaker 1: at the Earth and look at the Moon, the shadow
Speaker 1: on the moon, the man on the moon or whatever,
Speaker 1: is actually a correct shadow of.
Speaker 2: The continents on the planet.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, there's that theory.
Speaker 1: But now, okay, I'm glad you said it the way
Speaker 1: you did. Now I was gonna ask you, do you
Speaker 1: believe that the Sun and the Moon are inside of
Speaker 1: the firmament with us or floating on the outside of
Speaker 1: the firmament just beyond our reach. I've heard, I've seen
Speaker 1: different flat earth models, I've heard different people say different things.
Speaker 2: Where are you at with it?
Speaker 5: So one of my favorite flat earth videos is one
Speaker 5: Dave did where he captured something during the eclipse. You know,
Speaker 5: it looked it matched very similar shape to what the
Speaker 5: you know, the Sun would look like being eclipsed, but
Speaker 5: it wasn't that. It was kind of like behind it.
Speaker 5: And then he duplicated it with kind of like a
Speaker 5: paper towel and the Sun and something eclipsing the flashlight
Speaker 5: behind the paper towel, And I was like, man, that's
Speaker 5: really good evidence that the Sun we're seeing is being
Speaker 5: projected did through the firmament, so the sun source would
Speaker 5: be in the furment, projecting through the layers, kind of
Speaker 5: like the Bible talks about the layers of heaven. And
Speaker 5: I saw this and I thought it was great. And
Speaker 5: then when I witnessed that with my very own eyes
Speaker 5: during the April eighth eclipse, caught it on video. I mean,
Speaker 5: it was just it was too difficult for me to
Speaker 5: not think that the sun we see is kind of
Speaker 5: like a rainbow, not like a solid object that you
Speaker 5: can go to, and that is being projected from something
Speaker 5: further into the firmament, and we just can't really see
Speaker 5: the source because the sun is usually so bright. But
Speaker 5: on a day when it's being eclipsed and it's a
Speaker 5: little less blinding, you can see that source. So I
Speaker 5: think the Sun is in the ferment. I think the
Speaker 5: moon probably is in the firmament too. But I do
Speaker 5: always like to speculate about kind of like the Freemason
Speaker 5: idea of the you know, black hole sun projecting everything
Speaker 5: into the sky. It's kind of interesting to me too.
Speaker 1: Okay, now with that being said, black hole sun, what
Speaker 1: is your take on hollow Earth, Sir?
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there is. There's definitely some things
Speaker 5: going on below us, you know, I don't know. You know,
Speaker 5: the Bible talks about the bottomless pit, and you know,
Speaker 5: Satan being held in the bottomless pit for a thousand years,
Speaker 5: and so I think there's potentially different different realms below,
Speaker 5: you know, and whether that you've got to be vibrating
Speaker 5: or you know, resonating at lower frequencies to go down
Speaker 5: there or what. I definitely think something is going on
Speaker 5: below our feet for.
Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I ask is because when
Speaker 1: I talked to flat Earthers, half of them believe.
Speaker 2: In some sort of hollow Earth.
Speaker 1: Although they may see it as like Antarctica holds a
Speaker 1: portal that doesn't sing you necessarily into a hollow Earth,
Speaker 1: but to another dimension that some have called the hollow Earth.
Speaker 1: But then there's other or is that fully believe that
Speaker 1: there is an entire ecosystem with a son inside of it,
Speaker 1: very mirror image to our own. And I've heard flat
Speaker 1: Earth's believes something similar to this. So I was just
Speaker 1: curious where you're at.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really try my best not to speculate. I love,
Speaker 5: you know, it's fun to think about it, but as
Speaker 5: far as giving definitive answers, I can't really do that,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: Well, Tyler, you know I I love talking about this
Speaker 4: kind of stuff, and I feel like we could talk forever.
Speaker 4: But I feel like I'm also in the middle of
Speaker 4: dying over here, and so.
Speaker 3: I don't want to keep you. I don't want to
Speaker 3: keep you too long.
Speaker 4: Rather, but you know, just out of curiosity, we talked
Speaker 4: a little bit of the at the beginning of the
Speaker 4: show about how Jacob might be an agent. After talking
Speaker 4: to him here for you know, a few hours, I
Speaker 4: was just curious, you know, what are your thoughts now
Speaker 4: after getting to know him a little bit?
Speaker 3: Is he Are we still talking about double agent? Is he?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Like, is he guiding me in directions that I shouldn't
Speaker 4: be going? Or should I let my third eye guide
Speaker 4: me on this path to truth?
Speaker 5: Well, I got to be true to my nature here
Speaker 5: and I got to you know, just call it how
Speaker 5: I see it. I see uh conspiracy, cult of conspiracy,
Speaker 5: which is CC, which is thirty three. I've seen a
Speaker 5: lot of the uh you know, six six six symbolisms
Speaker 5: that you guys have been thrown up, Like when you're
Speaker 5: touching your glasses. I see the single eyes on the
Speaker 5: heads here, so you know. But like I said, I
Speaker 5: also think everyone's an agent, so you shouldn't take that personally.
Speaker 5: But I am. I think Jacob knows a lot more
Speaker 5: or believes a lot differently than he lets on. And
Speaker 5: like I said, don't take that personally, my friend. I
Speaker 5: think you got a job to do.
Speaker 1: And no, no, no, you just called both of us
Speaker 1: out for our logos.
Speaker 2: So like, hey, we're cool. We equal opportunity up in here. Brother.
Speaker 5: Hey, like I said, I my best friend in my
Speaker 5: in the conspiracy world, I just like called out the
Speaker 5: other day, So I don't I don't hold anything back.
Speaker 5: I suspect it unless I knew you in my life
Speaker 5: before I was a truther. I don't fully trust you,
Speaker 5: so don't take it personally. It's just me not trusting anybody.
Speaker 4: And to be fair, Jacob with the long hair, the
Speaker 4: long beard, he's always wearing flannel, Like what's with that?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like somebody has got to change up this fucking style
Speaker 4: from time to time, and it's.
Speaker 5: Like, take those glasses off, maybe I can see what
Speaker 5: celebrity you are.
Speaker 3: He has the lizard eyes. Oh yeah, Ship Brown, his
Speaker 3: eyes are all blinking like this.
Speaker 5: And I'm trying to see you're on the small.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The reason why is because the ring light.
Speaker 1: It's not because I'm trying to hie my ideentity, honestly,
Speaker 1: because I have bitch eyes.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: You and Hibbler got like a little thing going.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know me and Hibbler.
Speaker 5: Well, maybe it's just the beard.
Speaker 2: Tell him tell him next time you see him. I
Speaker 2: hope to god he takes that well. I love him.
Speaker 2: By the way, great a. No, Sean's amazing.
Speaker 4: We've had him on the show a couple of times.
Speaker 4: Fucking awesome guy. He reminds me of He reminds me
Speaker 4: of the wrestler seth Rawlins. That's what I told him.
Speaker 5: He I suspect him as being an amazing like I
Speaker 5: suspect everyone, So I have nothing back. I Hey, I'm
Speaker 5: really good buddies with Dave, and I tell Dave I
Speaker 5: think he is probably double agent all the time too.
Speaker 3: Hi, dude, you got to question everything. That's what we're
Speaker 3: here to do.
Speaker 4: If we're not even looking at ourselves and questioning our
Speaker 4: fucking selves in the mirror, then what are we really doing?
Speaker 4: You know that's really what you should be doing. It's
Speaker 4: questioning everything, question literally everything. So, uh, the Fittest flat
Speaker 4: Earth or Tyler Hanson, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 4: on the show. Brother, if you would, can you tell
Speaker 4: all of our good cult members where they can find you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and let me just thank you guys too. I
Speaker 5: appreciate it, uh, I honestly hopefully you don't take anything personally.
Speaker 5: Like I said, I call everyone all the time. I'm
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Speaker 5: juicy videos in there because for whatever reason, they don't
Speaker 5: seem to censor them as much. And I was sick
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Speaker 5: thank you guys. I appreciate you having me on. I've
Speaker 5: been a fan for a while and listening. You guys
Speaker 5: are a great show.
Speaker 4: Thank you man, Thank you so much, and look well,
Speaker 4: we would love to have you back on one day.
Speaker 4: I think you're an awesome dude. I love watching all
Speaker 4: of your content, at least the one on Instagram, I mean.
Speaker 4: And the great thing about you is is that there's
Speaker 4: there's a lot of flat earthers that only hit on
Speaker 4: flat Earth, and you're really out there just questioning everything.
Speaker 4: And that's one, you know, one thing that we love.
Speaker 4: You know, there's not one thing that we hit on
Speaker 4: more than anything else, you know, kind of just you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, if we're questioning everything, why are we only
Speaker 4: questioning one thing kind of thing? So I like the
Speaker 4: idea of really branching out and testing that whole theory everywhere.
Speaker 3: And so I appreciate that you do that.
Speaker 4: And yeah, just keep on keep doing what you're doing, brother,
Speaker 4: and we'll definitely have you back on again soon.
Speaker 3: And also, anybody that wants to be able to find.
Speaker 4: Tyler, we're gonna have all of his links down in
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