Speaker 1: SSSSS dire wave.
Speaker 2: Our anthropology is not derived by human psychology or you know,
Speaker 2: actorical data from M I T or something like this.
Speaker 2: It's derived from the revealed aspect of what we see
Speaker 2: in prisology. And so there's no real way to diagnose
Speaker 2: man's problem and to understand man and man's anthropology, as
Speaker 2: I said, without the the right theology n.
Speaker 3: The sun.
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yes? How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good? How are you guys?
Speaker 2: We're doing good. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, Julia, this is my wife, Jamie.
Speaker 1: Jamie.
Speaker 2: This is Julia.
Speaker 4: Nice to meet you, Jamie. How are you?
Speaker 2: And welcome everybody if you would be sure and CLICKK
Speaker 2: and share. Thank you for joining us today. Hopefully sound
Speaker 2: and everything's good. Today. We're gonna be talking about some
Speaker 2: of the areas that you would expect femininity, orthodoxy, and
Speaker 2: one you wouldn't expect bitcoin. That's right. One of the
Speaker 2: I think she has a video titling herself. One of
Speaker 2: the bad bitches of bitcoin is that right.
Speaker 4: Old video called the basic Basic bit point. It's super
Speaker 4: cringe now. I don't think it's even listening anymore. The
Speaker 4: better one is how to be a Bitcoin hater. That's like,
Speaker 4: that's a good classic, so relevant, and that you'll be
Speaker 4: released some more in the next two weeks because we
Speaker 4: have a book coming out on the topic.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool. Yeah, and then you have another video that
Speaker 2: I want to ask some questions about, which is probably
Speaker 2: I think your biggest hit getter, which is about the
Speaker 2: fifty differences between men and women. So maybe let's start
Speaker 2: it off with tell us what you want to about
Speaker 2: yourself and your brave the world your channel, and then
Speaker 2: we'll get into orthodoxy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sure. So I started the channel like over
Speaker 4: five years ago. Now, I had my Twitter before that,
Speaker 4: and then I decided to become more active in politics,
Speaker 4: and I started with some like pro gone conspiracy stuff.
Speaker 4: I wrote my own original content and just put kind
Speaker 4: of monologues together, and then it progressed into being an
Speaker 4: end cap and talking a lot more about political philosophy.
Speaker 4: I did some stuff with info Wars that was fun,
Speaker 4: and I then discovered bitcoin and I got to talk
Speaker 4: to Alex about bitcoin. It was one of the first
Speaker 4: people talked him about it on his show. So I
Speaker 4: don't think he's into it. I think he got some
Speaker 4: bad intel about it, So that's too bad. But you know,
Speaker 4: I made a small impact for a couple of years
Speaker 4: before he changed his mind. Either way, I ended up
Speaker 4: changing my mind on some of my views because they
Speaker 4: were no longer cohesive to reality. So I was an
Speaker 4: atheist for twenty years, so obviously that shaped some of
Speaker 4: my opinions in terms of politics, and I ended up
Speaker 4: deciding that I was wrong. And it's it's difficult to
Speaker 4: undo twenty years of wrong thing, but I did it,
Speaker 4: and so that ended up putting me in slightly a
Speaker 4: different direction on my channel. But yeah, I guess that's it.
Speaker 4: I got it. I did a lot of bitcoin stuff
Speaker 4: that's still the same because it's actually even being a
Speaker 4: Christian and into bitcoin that's actually makes more sense, yeah
Speaker 4: than not. And I'm also mother, so I've kind of
Speaker 4: been going in the direction of self sufficiency and home
Speaker 4: studying and parenting and all that because that's what is
Speaker 4: natural to my life currently.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what were the some of the things that
Speaker 2: took you from and cap and atheism towards orthodox I
Speaker 2: know you have a background that you mentioned to Michael
Speaker 2: Cisco that you're from Russia, and then you had a
Speaker 2: period where you tested out Protestantism, and I watched your
Speaker 2: video about what took you back, But maybe from my audience,
Speaker 2: if they're not familiar with you in that journey, what
Speaker 2: were the things that you saw in the Protestant world
Speaker 2: that were enough to move you in the direction of Orthodoxy?
Speaker 4: Sure, so, do you want me to tell you why
Speaker 4: I became Christian Orthodoxy? Yeah, So the first thing that
Speaker 4: changed in my life was I became anti abortion after
Speaker 4: being pro abortion for twenty years. And when you change
Speaker 4: an opinion that is quite drastic, that makes you question
Speaker 4: your other held beliefs. So if I was wrong about that,
Speaker 4: what else could I be wrong about? And I think
Speaker 4: that was kind of more on a subconscious level. And
Speaker 4: so it's interesting because I became anti abortion before I
Speaker 4: became Christian, but that almost led me to my path
Speaker 4: of Christianity. And so I realized that you can't have
Speaker 4: objective morality without an objective world giver, which is God.
Speaker 4: And this also, this realization happened because I was in
Speaker 4: this sphere of people who claimed to be moral, like
Speaker 4: the Nona aggression principle. They touted all of these libertarian
Speaker 4: and cap morality, but it's like self created morality. There
Speaker 4: wasn't ever grounded anything substantial, because they would change their
Speaker 4: morality based on the circumstance, and like, you know, one day,
Speaker 4: like having sex with a thirteen year old is okay,
Speaker 4: and the next minute you were mean to me, so
Speaker 4: you aggressed against me, and the next day, you know,
Speaker 4: like spanking your kid is totally evil and wrong, but
Speaker 4: like psychologically manipulating and abusing someone because you think you're
Speaker 4: making them do something correct, that's okay. So it was
Speaker 4: just so all over the place, and that kind of
Speaker 4: just witnessing that in the community made me realize whoa like,
Speaker 4: you can't take your morality from like some dude on
Speaker 4: YouTube or like some philosopher you like, you can't do that.
Speaker 4: It has to be completely objective and only God can
Speaker 4: do that. So that was the number one thing. And
Speaker 4: then like the problem of existing, like anything existing, that's
Speaker 4: like kind of a big problem that if you just
Speaker 4: don't address very well.
Speaker 5: What made you change your mind about abortion was it
Speaker 5: becoming a mother?
Speaker 4: No, I changed my mind about abortion two years, one
Speaker 4: and a half years before I got pregnant, So no,
Speaker 4: you know, it was actually some Catholics that changed my mind.
Speaker 4: But they weren't. They didn't change my mind because they
Speaker 4: weren't saying it from a religious perspective really, but they
Speaker 4: were just very intelligent. They were some of them I
Speaker 4: met in my theology class in university, and some of
Speaker 4: them I met years and years later at Amesis meetup.
Speaker 4: So it was an economics meetup, and they were very intelligent,
Speaker 4: and they just like challenged me on some things that
Speaker 4: I thought everyone kind of accepted. I'm from Canada, It's
Speaker 4: very secular society, so no one really challenged me on
Speaker 4: these opinions before. And they were like no life sorts
Speaker 4: of conception, and then like, I couldn't. I couldn't, I
Speaker 4: couldn't say otherwise. And then that just got me thinking
Speaker 4: about it a lot more and I had to overturn
Speaker 4: a lot of my preconceived, easily given notions about the issue.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times people find the problems
Speaker 2: with the ethics the easiest means to come out of
Speaker 2: the atheist realm. I mean, there can be other arguments,
Speaker 2: there can be other persuasive things, but the ethical issue
Speaker 2: is just the most accessible and the most obvious. I
Speaker 2: think we have a lot of people who we've seen
Speaker 2: convert because they couldn't really find any way to ground
Speaker 2: all of these ethical claims. And most people are more
Speaker 2: familiar with ethics than an argument from epistemology or metaphysics.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's one to always hammer home
Speaker 2: and to point out that, you know, most of life
Speaker 2: is under in some way the domain of ethics, and
Speaker 2: in order to have ethics, you've got to have some
Speaker 2: kind of benchmark, some kind of standard, and that requires
Speaker 2: things like objective truth. And if you don't have a
Speaker 2: system of philosophy that allows for or can give a
Speaker 2: ground or justification for that, then your system is built
Speaker 2: on sand that's going to fall apart. So I think
Speaker 2: you mentioned in your video you talked about how a
Speaker 2: lot of the Protestant groups and churches, while they may
Speaker 2: have good, sincere motives and be doing a lot of
Speaker 2: good things, ultimately in terms of the ideology that theology,
Speaker 2: we're seeing the slow sort of collapse of the Protestant world.
Speaker 2: I know, the Episcopalians, mainline Episcopalians, mainline Lutherans, their churches
Speaker 2: are actually projected to die out because they've adopted sterility.
Speaker 2: They've adopted all these preposterous doctrines that will actually lead
Speaker 2: to the end of their church. So what were the
Speaker 2: things that you saw that were problematic in Protestantism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I went straight for the Anabaptists when I
Speaker 4: became a Christian, so I went I think I'm a
Speaker 4: bit of an extreme person, so I went for the
Speaker 4: most extreme Protestants. And you know, after a certain first
Speaker 4: of all, I didn't like the churches. Ever, I just
Speaker 4: went and I tried to do it, and it just
Speaker 4: never clicked for me. I never liked it, but I
Speaker 4: just like forced it. Okay. What really got me out
Speaker 4: of it was actually reading the arguments, and I read
Speaker 4: The Kingdom of God Is Within You by Tolstoy, and
Speaker 4: he inspired a lot of kind of Anabaptists thinking not
Speaker 4: like I know it, God predate him, but the way
Speaker 4: that they like a lot of the arguments he took
Speaker 4: to another level, like he's a Christian anarchist, and he
Speaker 4: inspired Goandhi to do the like his peaceful revolution and
Speaker 4: all that. So he's a huge prominent figure in that,
Speaker 4: in that strain of thought. But they really they're hardcore pacifists.
Speaker 4: Like the argument literally to ethics, if your wife and
Speaker 4: kids are being murdered in front of you, you cannot
Speaker 4: fight evil with force?
Speaker 2: Tols How's that.
Speaker 4: I couldn't side with Tolstoy in that or the Anabaptist
Speaker 4: And I don't think the Bible teaches that, and the
Speaker 4: conversation it just doesn't teach that.
Speaker 2: By the way, the Church fathers don't teach that. And
Speaker 2: a lot of people will try to say that the
Speaker 2: early Church taught that. Now you can find Irenaeus, you
Speaker 2: can about Athanasius, Saint Ambrose, they all talk about the
Speaker 2: legitimacy of the death penalty and by extension obviously self defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so to me, I was not sold once I
Speaker 4: really dug into the core of their beliefs. So I
Speaker 4: had to. I remember like looking forward to reading this book.
Speaker 4: I got it in Russian and in English, and I
Speaker 4: just like I read it and I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: I just like, I need a different strait of Christianity.
Speaker 4: This doesn't make sense. So that was one of the
Speaker 4: big things. And then I kept going back to Orthodox
Speaker 4: Church for like the main holidays and once in a
Speaker 4: while because and for me, I was telling myself, oh,
Speaker 4: it's because I come from this, and I'm just like,
Speaker 4: it's what I feel is more normal when it was
Speaker 4: actually the opposite. I was rejecting it almost because I
Speaker 4: dislike what Russia is and what Russia has become, and
Speaker 4: how the churches in Russia operate and are. Like my
Speaker 4: mom has like severe PTSD going into Orthodox churches from
Speaker 4: her childhood, so there's a lot of issues. We can
Speaker 4: go into that later. But so I had to like,
Speaker 4: really it was hard for me to go to Orthodox church,
Speaker 4: and I was going to. I went to one in
Speaker 4: San Francisco and it was like hardcore, like Russia vibes,
Speaker 4: like old Russia vibes, and the priest was psychotic and
Speaker 4: very very overwhelming for me. And then I went to
Speaker 4: a convert church, so like it's still ro core. I
Speaker 4: went to ro Court Church with a convert convert priest.
Speaker 4: He was a monk, but he was a convert. He
Speaker 4: was an American guy. He learned Slavonic, and I've never
Speaker 4: ever experienced that before. Like I'm from Russia, Like I
Speaker 4: go to church, it's like all Slavonic, it's like all
Speaker 4: Russian people. And I went to this church and they
Speaker 4: was like full of wonderful people, and I didn't get
Speaker 4: any of these vibes. And I realized that the baggage
Speaker 4: I was carrying, was it Orthodox baggage? It was like Russian,
Speaker 4: like horrible village people, Russian baggage. And then I was
Speaker 4: free to go back to Orthodoxy. And luckily it's the
Speaker 4: correct Christianity. So yeah, good worked out.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna ask if you had relatives that
Speaker 5: were Orthodox.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone, all of my family. So all of my
Speaker 4: family on my mother's side are Orthodox. My father's side
Speaker 4: are all complete atheists.
Speaker 2: Was it the bad experiences that you had, like in
Speaker 2: Russia that led to the atheism or.
Speaker 4: No. I can tell you the moment I became an atheist.
Speaker 4: I was seven, six or seven, and I lost a
Speaker 4: thing I was playing with at my grandma's house. My
Speaker 4: grandma was devout about Orthodox She would bring me to
Speaker 4: church and actually remember remember enjoying it. It was a
Speaker 4: little scary and spooky, but I enjoyed it to an extent,
Speaker 4: and she would read prayers over me at night, and
Speaker 4: I knew them off by heart, and I liked all that.
Speaker 4: But then I lost. I lost like a thing I
Speaker 4: was playing with, and I remember kneeling down in the sun.
Speaker 4: There was a ray of sunshine on me, and I said, God,
Speaker 4: please let me find this toy, like like, I'm just
Speaker 4: a kid, Like, why are you punishing me? Like this
Speaker 4: is not fair? And I didn't find the toy. I'm like,
Speaker 4: God doesn't exist, and it's the most it's the most
Speaker 4: infantile reason. But I was a kid, Like it's a
Speaker 4: childish reason. But I was a child, and I just
Speaker 4: never went back and I became like a Fedora Edgy
Speaker 4: atheist for twenty years.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people have that attitude, even
Speaker 5: as adults. When they pray for something it doesn't happen,
Speaker 5: they just decide that God doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: But it's so it's such a like it's such a
Speaker 4: high time for reference attitude, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for you all, because whatever I asked for
Speaker 2: I got so.
Speaker 4: Right. Well that's now that I'm an adult and I
Speaker 4: look back and all the things that have happened to
Speaker 4: me and all the things that could have really gone
Speaker 4: wrong and maybe should have, I'm incredibly thankful to God.
Speaker 4: I think someone had to be looking over me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I was kidding. I mean, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: a lot of us have those phases where we go
Speaker 2: I was never atheist, but I had a kind of
Speaker 2: a generic neoplatonic phase or I wasn't sure what the
Speaker 2: deal was, and I was tired of churches, an American
Speaker 2: church corruption, and then you realize that church corruption is everywhere.
Speaker 2: It's not something you're going to get away with. And
Speaker 2: to a lot of a large part of it is
Speaker 2: if your patient, you'll eventually come across, like you said,
Speaker 2: the church that's right for you within the world of
Speaker 2: Orthodoxy I'm speaking of here. So for me, I agree,
Speaker 2: it turned out to be a road corps that was
Speaker 2: the good fit for me. But so let's talk about femininity,
Speaker 2: because this is a big thing that you and everybody.
Speaker 2: By the way, you can go watch her last video
Speaker 2: on her channel that's linked, where she talks about her
Speaker 2: journey to Orthodoxy. You did a video a while back
Speaker 2: that got a lot of views, four or five hundred
Speaker 2: thousand views about the differences between men and women. Have
Speaker 2: your views, and it was very science y. It was
Speaker 2: such a sciencey piece. It was so grounded in papers
Speaker 2: and research, which is fine, I'm just going around, but
Speaker 2: you know, this is under attack the idea that men
Speaker 2: and women are the same, and this is all part
Speaker 2: of this sort of a satanic global elite inversion where
Speaker 2: they want to really destroy the relationships between men and women.
Speaker 2: And because that's where humans come from, right, we don't
Speaker 2: come from labs. Even though they want to grow us
Speaker 2: in labs, we're not at that point yet. So as
Speaker 2: a female, what's going on? Here's what are they lead
Speaker 2: trying to do? Why are they trying to destroy femininity?
Speaker 4: Well, again, I mean it's the typical reasons. They try
Speaker 4: to pin everyone against each other. And the more conflict
Speaker 4: there is, and the more loneliness and depression there is,
Speaker 4: and the more the more broken the family is, the
Speaker 4: better they have it. And I mean, look at the
Speaker 4: Black community. I listen to this. I listened to this
Speaker 4: guy and he does like a call in show, and
Speaker 4: he's Black, and he's a Christian, and he talks to
Speaker 4: women specifically about this very issue. And I bring up
Speaker 4: the Black community because they're like the extreme victims of this.
Speaker 4: Like they went in the fifties, they went from a
Speaker 4: ninety percent within wedlock children and like almost no divorce, right,
Speaker 4: and then in one generation it was completely inverted, completely inverted.
Speaker 4: They were targeted and their family unit was targeted and
Speaker 4: successfully destroyed. And he battles this and he talks about
Speaker 4: the state of women specifically, and we see this in
Speaker 4: every community and culture now. They were almost like the
Speaker 4: testsnet and they succeeded, and they're doing it to everybody
Speaker 4: now and it's horrific. And women buy into it because
Speaker 4: they're confused and they're taught from a very early age
Speaker 4: to only think about themselves and then they're special and
Speaker 4: it's just like it's just a side effect of this
Speaker 4: culture of narcissism. And because the state gets to grow
Speaker 4: from giving women more benefits and more handouts and empowering
Speaker 4: them in a way that disempowers men and placates men,
Speaker 4: the government grows. And we see that with like the
Speaker 4: voting the voting patterns and the types of policies women want.
Speaker 4: It's actually a horrendous and horrific thing they've achieved because
Speaker 4: a woman, a woman acting the way women are acting
Speaker 4: today is perfectly okay within the home when she's under
Speaker 4: the guidance of her husband, and instead she's doing this
Speaker 4: and extrapolating this behavior to like the whole country, and
Speaker 4: she's listening to like the big daddy government, and that's
Speaker 4: where things get really, really dark. You cannot have society
Speaker 4: of eata pule mothers that are like eating the children
Speaker 4: of society. That is what's going on.
Speaker 6: That's amazing, that's amazing. You're talking about Jesse leep it
Speaker 6: so yeah, and I like his videos.
Speaker 2: And by the way, LBJ at the time, back when
Speaker 2: they came up with this whole great Society scam, he
Speaker 2: talked about how this would get everybody in that community
Speaker 2: on the dole for the next century, right, He talked
Speaker 2: about how that whole plot would basically disenfranchise and destroy
Speaker 2: that whole community. And then, by the way, I do
Speaker 2: believe in the analysis of the CIA in the eighties
Speaker 2: and the crack cocaine epidemic, I think that was an
Speaker 2: engineered thing as well. And you can see a mirror
Speaker 2: with that in the South in terms of or the
Speaker 2: Midwest with both fentanyl or meth. I think those are
Speaker 2: partly psychological warfare drug warfare operations. Again, this is in
Speaker 2: the model of the British Empire and the opium wars.
Speaker 2: It's no different. People don't understand that there are social
Speaker 2: engineers that will study these things to wreck entire communities,
Speaker 2: entire people groups. And now what we're going through with
Speaker 2: this attempt a great reset is a kind of coordinated
Speaker 2: attack on the whole West basically. I mean it's not
Speaker 2: just the West, but the West leads the way in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, economy and all that. So the
Speaker 2: great research is a big step towards this kind of
Speaker 2: technocratic socialism. It's going to be a problem, and a
Speaker 2: big part of that is to destroy women. And you know,
Speaker 2: that's why I think your videos are are on point.
Speaker 2: Jamie has been doing some really good stuff on feminineity
Speaker 2: women as well anything else. Girls converse here, what are
Speaker 2: they doing to women? You wrote a book where you
Speaker 2: talked about princess programming.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well, I wish I had watched your fifty
Speaker 5: points video. I didn't know about it until a couple
Speaker 5: of minutes.
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of science. It's not for girls, it's science,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 5: Can you think of some of the highlights of that
Speaker 5: to talk about? Do you remember any that stuck out
Speaker 5: to you?
Speaker 2: It was literally like scientific studies about what boys do
Speaker 2: when they play with trucks and how they draw art
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean one of my favorite things
Speaker 4: is our eyes are littlely different, so we see movement
Speaker 4: and color slightly differently.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That's fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's one of the first five. And
Speaker 4: that's why, like the way it manifests in little kids
Speaker 4: is boys tend to draw with two to three colors,
Speaker 4: like dark colors usually, and they tend to draw motion.
Speaker 4: Girls tend to draw people, places and things, and they
Speaker 4: use like a way wider range of color. Obviously, there's
Speaker 4: like can you wance an exception to this? Like everything else,
Speaker 4: but our eyes are different, We're different, we evolve differently,
Speaker 4: we you know, for those and when I say evolve,
Speaker 4: I mean adaptive evolution, not Yeah. Anyways, I think I'm
Speaker 4: in company that understands what I mean when I say, did.
Speaker 5: You notice anything about how the differences were complimentary to
Speaker 5: each other?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, So, like okay, Like the typical one is
Speaker 4: the baby crying. You know, a man could literally sleep
Speaker 4: by an infant screaming infant and sleep through the night
Speaker 4: because like you need to get up to kill the buffalo.
Speaker 4: And the woman has a has a small seizure when
Speaker 4: her baby cries, Like her brain has a small seizure
Speaker 4: when she hears her child crying. And this is like
Speaker 4: this is just common sense, but then you can. The
Speaker 4: reason I did the science stuff is because everyone will
Speaker 4: dismiss you as, oh, that's just you know, that's just
Speaker 4: a story from your marriage or something like from ninety
Speaker 4: percent of marriages. But okay, but now they do have
Speaker 4: the scientific research to back it up. So you get
Speaker 4: both the you know, the lived experience and you get
Speaker 4: the data, which is very easy to measure because you
Speaker 4: can book up your brain waves and have a baby
Speaker 4: cry and see what happens. It's very straightforward, and you know,
Speaker 4: people still dismiss it. I find like when I bring
Speaker 4: this stuff up to women, they'll be like, my boyfriend
Speaker 4: is such a much lighter sleeper than I, so that's
Speaker 4: not true. I'm like, okay, good argument.
Speaker 5: I figured out why women are more chatty than men.
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's anything about this. You might
Speaker 5: know an article or something. But because you have to
Speaker 5: teach the baby language and you have to keep talking
Speaker 5: to it even though it doesn't talk back to you,
Speaker 5: so it's like a one sided conversation a lot when
Speaker 5: you're alone with a baby, you have to just keep talk,
Speaker 5: talk talking.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's very that's very sweet, but I
Speaker 4: don't I don't know because so the thing I talked
Speaker 4: about in the video was because men to now to
Speaker 4: repetitive sounds. So and like the woman talks a lot
Speaker 4: more than the men. So it's like, which came first,
Speaker 4: is because men tune out repetitive sounds that we have
Speaker 4: to repeat ourselves even more for them to hear us.
Speaker 4: So it's this, it's this funny thing. But that's an
Speaker 4: interesting point with the baby. But to a future mother,
Speaker 4: there's also don't stress about that because they've done studies
Speaker 4: on parents who are deaf mute and they have kids
Speaker 4: who aren't deaf mute, and that means the mom's not
Speaker 4: talking to them at all, and they're fine, they develop
Speaker 4: language skills, they're just fine too. But that's probably a
Speaker 4: contributing thing chatting to a person that can't talk back
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 5: He always tells me to talk more. I don't talk enough.
Speaker 2: In certain instances. Yeah, but Jamie's more on the quiet side.
Speaker 2: She's definitely a more quiet, passive person, which works good
Speaker 2: for our dynamic. But I thought that part was funny.
Speaker 4: Imin edity come naturally to you then, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that was funny. When you were talking about
Speaker 2: the tuning out part, because I think that's every relationship
Speaker 2: deals with that, Like we're the guy has to like
Speaker 2: hear it three or four times before he finally pays attention.
Speaker 2: And she gets mad because I tune out sometimes when
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 5: Will stop talking if no one's listening, then I'll just
Speaker 5: be quiet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, men are all about that.
Speaker 2: She was talking about how there's there's a dynamic to
Speaker 2: why it is that way. It's not that all dues
Speaker 2: are just trying to be jerks. It's that we have
Speaker 2: an ear and a brain that's conditioned a certain way
Speaker 2: for these types of situations, for adaptation.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the same reason why more manner in the
Speaker 4: autism spectrum in that specific way.
Speaker 2: Yep. That's why I'm over here sperging now all the
Speaker 2: time on this channel, and I can make these jokes
Speaker 2: because this is a legit spurg channel. Nobody can make
Speaker 2: fun of me.
Speaker 4: The femininity thing is interesting because it was actually kind
Speaker 4: of like within a marriage, like taking a more submissive role. Uh,
Speaker 4: came really hard for me. That's something I work on
Speaker 4: every day actually, and becoming a Christian helped a lot.
Speaker 4: Definitely helped a lot, and it brought a lot of
Speaker 4: peace to my marriage and to my state of mind
Speaker 4: because and I think a lot of women never get
Speaker 4: past that, like they want to they have this like
Speaker 4: urge to dominate, and then when they do dominate, they
Speaker 4: like hate their husband because they don't want them to
Speaker 4: be passive and they know, no real woman wants a
Speaker 4: submissive husband. Like I understand, I understand wanting to be
Speaker 4: equals and blul blah blah, like that's more reasonable, But
Speaker 4: no woman actually wants a submissive husband. No, he doesn't
Speaker 4: treat them with respect if he submits to her. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Well that's why every beta melg is left.
Speaker 4: Or just used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that beta bucks baby. What about a couple
Speaker 2: more things before we move on to economics. So what
Speaker 2: do you what are you finding an Orthodox? Have you
Speaker 2: looked at the Orthodox world in terms of the issues
Speaker 2: going there on there? Geopolitically, I know that you know
Speaker 2: a lot about Russian geopaul politics. Now, typically on my
Speaker 2: channel and in my circles, we take a generally positive
Speaker 2: Russian attitude in terms of the church because of the
Speaker 2: fact that we know the US State Department is involved
Speaker 2: in the Ukraine situation, and while we don't see anybody
Speaker 2: as angels necessarily in these geopolitical issues. I'm just curious
Speaker 2: if you had any comment on what you see going
Speaker 2: on with the State Department using Bartolomew to try to
Speaker 2: split the Orthodox Church in Ukraine. And I see this
Speaker 2: actually as a pattern where they wanted to split the
Speaker 2: Church of Montenegro. They want to split ultimately, I think
Speaker 2: the Church in the US as well down the middle.
Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts on that? Has that come
Speaker 2: up at all?
Speaker 4: Not really, it's you know, I've had some conversations with
Speaker 4: some church friends about it, but I don't think there's
Speaker 4: much disagreement there. And everyone kind of sees this kind
Speaker 4: of stuff as a sad fair the thing where the
Speaker 4: thing that really bothers me. And I understand where people
Speaker 4: are coming from, but like this whole A lot of
Speaker 4: people on the right, whether the Orthodox or not, they
Speaker 4: like admire Russia and the Russian politics and the church
Speaker 4: and how they're more conservative and family oriented and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. And I think it's like the symptom of
Speaker 4: America going towards like this progressive horror that anything that's
Speaker 4: slightly less we want to like venerate, but Russia, like
Speaker 4: you can't judge Russia just by its Putin writing a
Speaker 4: bear optics like the optics are great, like the masculinity
Speaker 4: Orthodoxy family, but it's kind of a it's a larp.
Speaker 4: Russia is not a haven of believing, you know, believing
Speaker 4: Orthodox pro family people. Like. The population has very similar
Speaker 4: problems of the populations in the West Havel and the
Speaker 4: more extreme in Many in many directions. So you just
Speaker 4: have to look at the statistical evidence for that one
Speaker 4: out of three abortion so per we still have a
Speaker 4: declining population, first of all. So I don't see where
Speaker 4: this family first stuff is coming from. Maybe he's making
Speaker 4: I know, Putin's trying to do some policy changes for that,
Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean they're working. And the fact that
Speaker 4: he's trying to do it means that there is like
Speaker 4: a rod in the country to begin with. So a million,
Speaker 4: six a million, six hundred thousand live births a year
Speaker 4: versus six hundred thousand abortions, that's one in three women
Speaker 4: getting abortions. That doesn't sound like an Orthodox country to me.
Speaker 4: And that's like twenty eighteen. That's a twenty eighteen statistic.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what people are talking about. We
Speaker 4: have some figures, say, sixty divorce rate, sixty percent divorce rate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is a pretty based Russian and he left the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union as well a long time ago, and he's
Speaker 2: a way, you know, he talks about all those same stats,
Speaker 2: and he's pretty realistic about whether, you know, because sometimes
Speaker 2: people want to leave the US and go to Russia,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, oh my god, you're going to
Speaker 2: have a lot of the same problems when you get
Speaker 2: through Russia.
Speaker 4: You couldn't I'm being one hundred percent honest with you.
Speaker 4: You couldn't pay me five hundred million dollars to go
Speaker 4: live in Russia. Maybe for a year, I'll take it
Speaker 4: for years, but permanently I wouldn't take.
Speaker 2: Well, the one thing you mentioned in the video, or
Speaker 2: maybe it was the interview with Michael, you said something like,
Speaker 2: if you wanted to run a business, it's very difficult
Speaker 2: because it's very sort of mafia like, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can just shake off seventy one years of
Speaker 4: horrific oppressive totalitarian communism where they killed all the smart
Speaker 4: people and the ones that they didn't kill god away,
Speaker 4: so there's no one left in Russia. They can't even
Speaker 4: run a business, honestly, to begin with, because they're either
Speaker 4: dead or they left, and if you try, you'll end
Speaker 4: up like drinking yourself to death, or like not doing
Speaker 4: anything because they'll take your business from you. It happens
Speaker 4: all the time. They started doing it to my dad,
Speaker 4: so they just you get an accountant and then you
Speaker 4: wake up and your business is not yours anymore and
Speaker 4: there's no there's no courts there at that function. It's
Speaker 4: all bribes. You're going to bribe someone when your business
Speaker 4: is gone?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I wanted to.
Speaker 5: Ask before we get off the topic of church. Femininity
Speaker 5: and the Orthodox Church is a big.
Speaker 4: Part.
Speaker 5: It was a part of my conversion. I felt like
Speaker 5: the whole experience was so much more romantic than a
Speaker 5: Protestant church, and they gave such a higher place to
Speaker 5: women and obviously marry they do not venerate her. How
Speaker 5: did you find that the femininity and the Orthodoxy going together?
Speaker 4: I always say Orthodox churches of the most beautiful women. Uh,
Speaker 4: so that something's something's working. I think I think Orthodoxy
Speaker 4: because of how routed it is in the truth of
Speaker 4: being a human, it just naturally accepts our differences and
Speaker 4: empowers us to be okay with those differences. Whetheras Protestantism
Speaker 4: is on most of the time seeped in modernism, and
Speaker 4: it is more modern Christianity, So how could not be?
Speaker 4: So it's it's difficult for them to maintain maintain that
Speaker 4: when the culture that you know it comes from and
Speaker 4: that shapes them is so progressive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Orthodox Church restores so much more
Speaker 5: dignity to women, even more than feminism.
Speaker 4: Ever, could you know, cheers to that.
Speaker 2: All right, now, let's get into this crazy economic stuff,
Speaker 2: because I feel like with this last run, a lot
Speaker 2: of people are interested in bitcoin, they're talking about it.
Speaker 2: It reminds me a lot of the twenty seventeen period.
Speaker 2: That's when I first got interested in crypto and bitcoin,
Speaker 2: and I've always been kind of hesitant even though I
Speaker 2: was buying in back then. And you have been for
Speaker 2: a long time kind of a bitcoin champion. So maybe
Speaker 2: start us out with somebody who's long term with this stuff,
Speaker 2: Like what is the best way to explain bitcoin to
Speaker 2: a new audience and why do you think it matters,
Speaker 2: you know, given where we are in terms of the
Speaker 2: dangers of like you know, money printing, FIAT all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Sure, so one thing to understand is Bitcoin isn't just
Speaker 4: a currency, it's a whole, entire new system of money
Speaker 4: and finance and economy. So before we had a single
Speaker 4: entry bookkeeping where like you would go to a store
Speaker 4: and buy something and they would write down what you bought,
Speaker 4: or like you go to get some money and they
Speaker 4: like write down how much money you got in their
Speaker 4: one little book. And then you've got double entry bookkeeping,
Speaker 4: which is like a bank where you have like a
Speaker 4: third and like a third party like verifying your transactions
Speaker 4: and amounts and stuff. And then bitcoins like triple entry bookkeeping,
Speaker 4: so you don't have a third party. You have a
Speaker 4: ledger of absolute truth that cannot be changed, that is
Speaker 4: verified and secure by an algorithm and by work. So
Speaker 4: that's good. You know why that's good because that is
Speaker 4: a lot more censorship and confiscation resistant than a bank,
Speaker 4: let's say. And the other amazing technological advancement about bitcoin
Speaker 4: in terms of finance money is it is capped a
Speaker 4: twenty one million, which means it is deflationary as opposed
Speaker 4: to inflationary like a fiat currency currency that is not
Speaker 4: backed by anything because you just print that or you
Speaker 4: can dilute the currency, you can debase the currency. You
Speaker 4: cannot do that with bitcoin. That it just it's math.
Speaker 4: It won't let you. So why is that important? Because
Speaker 4: inflation is theft and theft is wrong. Therefore bitcoin is
Speaker 4: the most moral money. So if you are looking to
Speaker 4: get involved in bitcoin, get involved for the correct reason,
Speaker 4: and that is it empowers people to be financially independent,
Speaker 4: to not rely on third parties to keep their wealth,
Speaker 4: and to not have their wealth debased over time by government.
Speaker 4: That just feels like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first thing people don't understand, which
Speaker 2: if you watch my Quickly Talks everybody out there, go
Speaker 2: through my lectures on Tragi and hope, because one of
Speaker 2: the things that Quickly covers early on is the scam
Speaker 2: gold notes and fractional reserve banking and how the whole
Speaker 2: modern world is built on this scam. So if you
Speaker 2: don't understand that, bitcoin is not going to make any sense.
Speaker 4: Nor will any of the other right, So you have
Speaker 4: to know that you're if you're interested in that and
Speaker 4: you don't want to read like a huge, huge book
Speaker 4: or you're not ready for that, or like you don't
Speaker 4: want to read like a creature from Jaco Island that
Speaker 4: explains the Fed. Really well, we just wrote a book
Speaker 4: that is cool. It's small enough for you to get
Speaker 4: a really good intro but not be overwhelmed with information.
Speaker 4: It goes over exactly what you said, how our current
Speaker 4: monetary system works, the history of money, like what debasement is,
Speaker 4: what inflation is, why it's bad, and it does it
Speaker 4: all from a biblical perspective. That's great. And then it
Speaker 4: talks about bigcoin and why it fixes all this stuff.
Speaker 4: So if you want to get any points and understand economies.
Speaker 4: It's called Thank God for Bitcoin available on Amazon.
Speaker 2: So, okay, is is your book out now or.
Speaker 4: Almost it's out now? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay my bit
Speaker 4: point Bible group and I wrote it and it's like
Speaker 4: the perfect thing for this conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh good. Yeah, so I wasn't even aware about that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, go you can go to her channel, go
Speaker 2: to her website Bread of the World, and you can
Speaker 2: find that book. Now. Next good point about bitcoin that
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about is usury because a lot of
Speaker 2: Christians have, you know, an ethical issue with the principle
Speaker 2: of usury. Of course, the Church Father is typically in
Speaker 2: the first millennium condemned usury and the more you think
Speaker 2: about it, Bitcoin itself is kind of anti usury. It
Speaker 2: can't be inflated. That's a good point here. And if
Speaker 2: we think about the modern monetary system, it's built around usury.
Speaker 2: The whole global economy is a giant usury based ponzi scheme.
Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean that there's not gonna be problems.
Speaker 2: There's no silver bullets. That was one thing that really
Speaker 2: gets on the nurse anytimes this topic comes up is
Speaker 2: people say, well, how come your thing isn't the perfect
Speaker 2: solution to everything? What about this problem? What about that? Well,
Speaker 2: there's always gonna be problems, right, So there's no silver
Speaker 2: bullet that solves all problems. But if we start thinking
Speaker 2: in terms of what is ethical money, Yes, the gold
Speaker 2: standard is ethical, it makes sense to tie it to
Speaker 2: you know, something objective. However, we went off the gold
Speaker 2: standard in the early seventies and that all allow we're
Speaker 2: going back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the masks are here to stay and gold will
Speaker 4: never be tied to your FIA ever again, get over it.
Speaker 2: Right, So on a user, now, it's true people could
Speaker 2: who own bitcoin engage in usery, but you can't stop that.
Speaker 2: But the system itself isn't useross because of its limitations, because.
Speaker 4: Of the limited number exactly. So if you are under
Speaker 4: a system that is literally predicated on theft, you are
Speaker 4: going to be more inclined to live an immoral life.
Speaker 4: When it comes to your finances, You're more likely to
Speaker 4: live a high paced, high time preference life, which like,
Speaker 4: why would you like just a nice conscious level? And
Speaker 4: we see this with millennials. Why would you save your
Speaker 4: money and bother with that when it's gonna be worth
Speaker 4: half the amount by the time you're fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the Michael Sailor drink.
Speaker 4: Just drink and have fun.
Speaker 2: That big investor guy who just put four ndred million
Speaker 2: in the bitcoin it was saying that one of the
Speaker 2: motivations for that was that the money printing of the
Speaker 2: stimulus in the last year of twenty twenty basically devalued
Speaker 2: the dollar by some crazy amount like ten percent.
Speaker 4: So if you want to, I just did. I was
Speaker 4: just on a live stream with him, and I like,
Speaker 4: I knew that that happened, but I didn't know that
Speaker 4: it was him, And we were talking about holding bitcoin
Speaker 4: and he said something. I'm like, you're not really holding
Speaker 4: bitcoin unless you live in your mom's basement because my
Speaker 4: husband was like that, GIRs like a multi biliever, like
Speaker 4: I'm allowed to joke with whoever I like.
Speaker 2: Now, this is fun. So here's what the next The
Speaker 2: next thing is. So those are the couple of basic principles,
Speaker 2: a couple more things. Obviously the the This is where
Speaker 2: it gets tricky because the blockchain technology is what allows
Speaker 2: for the proof of work like you're talking about, and
Speaker 2: the sort of the objective reliability. And that's another thing
Speaker 2: that goes into economics is people want reliable transactions. They
Speaker 2: know they can't be cheated, there can't be scams. Again,
Speaker 2: nothing in the world is infallible, in fool proof by right.
Speaker 2: But what we're doing is we're talking about a system
Speaker 2: that's much harder to cheat and much harder to scam.
Speaker 2: So the next thing is that people say, oh, but
Speaker 2: what about the fact that in the Great Reset, all
Speaker 2: the global elites want to utilize the blockchain technology, They
Speaker 2: want to tie everybody to E E money and these
Speaker 2: different central bank created digital currencies that they're gonna come
Speaker 2: up with. My argument is that, well, we're not gonna
Speaker 2: be able to necessarily stop that they're going to try.
Speaker 2: That doesn't it make sense to try to have at
Speaker 2: least some of your holding in something that would be
Speaker 2: a potential competitor like bitcoin. I mean again, there's no
Speaker 2: there's no nothing that's a silver bullet. I mean, do
Speaker 2: you think the dollar is going to do better?
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't make any sense, right, No, I
Speaker 4: completely agree. Sure, they can try to do a bunch
Speaker 4: of stuff. They're always going to try to do stuff.
Speaker 4: There doesn't mean you just opt out and do nothing.
Speaker 4: And so far bitcoin has benefited people not damn and
Speaker 4: they're actually threatened by it. There's talk of trying to
Speaker 4: criminalize up private wallets, which is the whole point of bitcoin.
Speaker 4: They want everything to be on an exchange that they
Speaker 4: can monitor, and they they're proposing to have to do
Speaker 4: like your you know, know, your customer for over for
Speaker 4: like two hundred and fifty dollars instead of ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: It's totally insane. And that doesn't just affect bitcoin, that
Speaker 4: affects everything you do. So I mean, COVID is already
Speaker 4: putting everything on card, like cash is already being kind
Speaker 4: of taken out of circulation to some degree, and they're
Speaker 4: trying to get us used to that. So if they're
Speaker 4: moving everything online, you want to have more secure and
Speaker 4: more empowering and more private options. And bitcoin isn't one
Speaker 4: hundred percent private, but as long as they don't trace
Speaker 4: the address to your identity, than it is. So there
Speaker 4: are ways to You don't have to use mainstream exchanges
Speaker 4: that tie you to your bank account. You can exchange
Speaker 4: bitcoin in person. You can use cleanly mind bitcoin. You
Speaker 4: can mix your coins, which actually is still a pretty
Speaker 4: difficult tracing process for them. From mixed coins. There's many
Speaker 4: other ways you can use more more private coins like Monaro.
Speaker 4: If you're doing actual things you're really really worried about, sure,
Speaker 4: so you gotta you can't just opt out. You got
Speaker 4: to like keep with it and be one step ahead.
Speaker 4: And bitcoin is like ten steps ahead, right.
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people just don't understand
Speaker 2: the logic of it. And by the way I've watched
Speaker 2: and studied bitcoin or ten years, I've waited a long
Speaker 2: time because I was skeptical a lot of the fear, uncertainty,
Speaker 2: doubt that I watched that I still see people in
Speaker 2: the chat right now spitting out, dude. I've been seeing
Speaker 2: this fear and nonsense for ten damn years and if
Speaker 2: I listened to you guys, I would have never gotten
Speaker 2: into bitcoin. But I finally went in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: It was a wise decision, one of the best financial
Speaker 2: decisions that I've ever made. And so and I still
Speaker 2: see people repeating this like, you know, ten year old
Speaker 2: fud bullshit. And I mean, you guys are the ones
Speaker 2: missing out now? Is again, is anything fool proof? Do
Speaker 2: you think that the dollar is going to be fool
Speaker 2: proof in ten years? I mean that's the illogic of
Speaker 2: these people right now. And also people, it's the actual
Speaker 2: speculatives exactly, and people it's always a speculation.
Speaker 4: And people don't like three trillion in debt.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't just be in debt for eternity at
Speaker 2: a certain point of pops. Right, That's the real bubble here.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I've never told anybody don't get
Speaker 2: gold or assets. I never said that, so people people
Speaker 2: have always had these Oh, if you're saying get bitcoin,
Speaker 2: then you're saying don't get gold. I didn't say that.
Speaker 2: I said have all of the assets that you can, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying that as the most the hedge
Speaker 2: that has the most potential in the Great Reset, and
Speaker 2: all this stuff would either be gold or bitcoin. But
Speaker 2: bitcoin has performed way better than gold. I mean, have
Speaker 2: you watched the last year, right, duh.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean the gold thing is a touchy subject
Speaker 4: for a lot of people. First of all, theoretically gold
Speaker 4: can be inflated. The best way to do this is
Speaker 4: if you if there is an asteroid in space and
Speaker 4: they prove that it has all these metals, and the
Speaker 4: speculation it's just it can just be speculation. It doesn't
Speaker 4: even have to be possibly impossible to physically mine those metals.
Speaker 4: They can inflate the market completely. So well, that's just
Speaker 4: the markets work, and they can do that if they want.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it's unlikely, but it is possible.
Speaker 4: So also gold is manipulated to an extent. Also, holding
Speaker 4: a lot of gold is really it's a huge barrier
Speaker 4: to entry to do that. Like a lot of people
Speaker 4: have to trust their parties again to hold gold for them.
Speaker 4: And we see time and time again when like there's
Speaker 4: a big mining billionaire in Canada. He had a bunch
Speaker 4: of gold and he decided to like take it out
Speaker 4: like basically do like a bank crun in his gold
Speaker 4: and they couldn't deliver on the gold because they were
Speaker 4: acting like a freaking bank, like affectuers a bank with
Speaker 4: his gold. So it's got the same problems right now.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just MAXI Kizer the other day
Speaker 2: just shared an article about I think JP Morgan had
Speaker 2: to pay what nine and thirty something million dollars for
Speaker 2: manipulating gold. So now people say, oh, but whales can
Speaker 2: manipulate bitcoin. Yeah, but but the degree to which the
Speaker 2: manipulation and the dangers that are present I think, I
Speaker 2: think and bitcoin are actually less than in the other
Speaker 2: fields because of the limitations on the number Bitcoin because
Speaker 2: of the you know, objectivity and rationality of what the
Speaker 2: blockchain is. I mean, it's just a better So again,
Speaker 2: there's none of these that have no risk. Everything.
Speaker 4: The dollar has risks incentives like whales. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 4: because it's still still not that many users a bitcoin,
Speaker 4: So of course wills are gonna have a big impact.
Speaker 4: That's gonna reduce an impact over time with more adoption.
Speaker 4: But whales have an incentive for bitcoin to you know,
Speaker 4: keep climbing, unlike governments who tend to not care if
Speaker 4: they enrich their population or not. So the incentives for
Speaker 4: whales are aligned to keep the coin secure and climbing higher,
Speaker 4: not to likerupt.
Speaker 2: I think we're past the fear of phase, to write
Speaker 2: the skepticism phase. Yeah, that a lot of people had
Speaker 2: even four years ago, like when I was. I was,
Speaker 2: so I started when it was around two three hundred,
Speaker 2: right under three thousand, and it was really hard to
Speaker 2: get Really a coin base was a nightmare to get on.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was difficult.
Speaker 4: It was I was coin base, I know, but.
Speaker 2: I'm saying back then, so I was scared, And then
Speaker 2: now it's like, you know, no, there's a lot less fear.
Speaker 2: You've got these big institutional investments going into it. So
Speaker 2: I think that we're past the like this is a
Speaker 2: thing that Dete is used, you know, this kind of nonsense.
Speaker 2: A person who has a huge amount of bitcoin that
Speaker 2: can influence the market.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so sometimes they'll like do like dumps a bitcoin like.
Speaker 2: The Bogdanosum beat bump beat dump beat if you see
Speaker 2: that video. Yeah, so that's those are great entry points.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because this is the one
Speaker 2: and I'm just being honest, like the one danger thing
Speaker 2: about bitcoin that I have worried about is the fact
Speaker 2: that it seems to have a subversive nation state power. Now,
Speaker 2: ultimately the way the economy is. I recognize that we're
Speaker 2: all they're in a sense, we're already in a post
Speaker 2: nation state situation. So there's no easy solutions to how
Speaker 2: to get out of that. I'm looking at it more
Speaker 2: in a realistic way that that I think you mentioned
Speaker 2: in your video. Christians, especially Orthodox, we want to be
Speaker 2: in a position where we are participating ethically in the
Speaker 2: monetary system. We don't want to forego economic power. It's
Speaker 2: not inherently evil, right, we want to be We need
Speaker 2: to be capable and educated in economics, and so that's
Speaker 2: why I'm saying that I think it would be wise.
Speaker 2: I can't tell anybody what to do. I'm not a
Speaker 2: financial advisor, but I think it would be wise to
Speaker 2: have these kinds of assets for where we're going in
Speaker 2: the future, just as a hedge and as the the
Speaker 2: duty that we have to do ethical money, to do
Speaker 2: ethical transactions. What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's difficult to trust in something that
Speaker 4: is like so foreign to you and no one's asking
Speaker 4: you to do that, but yeah, I get educated understand
Speaker 4: what this monetary system does to people and how functions
Speaker 4: and why, and then look at alternatives and try to
Speaker 4: like not use PayPal as much, and not use banks
Speaker 4: as much, and not participate in the things that are
Speaker 4: objectively immoral the danger So.
Speaker 2: The dangers are outweighed by the positive. That's my argument.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. And also like COVID, COVID print machine, that's
Speaker 4: going to impact our economy totally. It has a delayed effect,
Speaker 4: but the dollar will go down in price eventually. The
Speaker 4: Canadian dollar, I predict by next time, the next year,
Speaker 4: by this time, is going to be on the decline.
Speaker 4: I think Canada is going to go through a financial crisis.
Speaker 4: They they printed the most money out of any country
Speaker 4: during this crisis. So I'm not going to be caught
Speaker 4: dead holding Canadian dollars. I Am not going to hold
Speaker 4: money that's going to depreciate. And that is just that
Speaker 4: is my financial advice. If you're a Canadian, don't hold
Speaker 4: Canadian dollars. You don't have to buy bitcoin, you can
Speaker 4: buy land, you can buy gold. You can keep your
Speaker 4: money in US dollars because that will crash later, I think.
Speaker 4: But again, don't keep fiat, buy real assets if you
Speaker 4: have enough money to do that with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was Jamian. I were riding around
Speaker 2: a while back and we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: money that we had in savings, and I was thinking
Speaker 2: about the fact that, well, it's just sitting there and
Speaker 2: the dollar is deflated every year, it has less purchasing power,
Speaker 2: so it's worth less and less. And I was like,
Speaker 2: this is a while back, so why don't we just
Speaker 2: put all of the savings into gold, right, And so
Speaker 2: the logic of that was like, now, wait a minute, No,
Speaker 2: gold is just sitting here. I mean, it's went up
Speaker 2: a little bit from you know, the last six months
Speaker 2: last year. And then I was like, well, why would
Speaker 2: I just have it sitting in gold when the returns
Speaker 2: on bitcoin are much better? I mean, and people say, well,
Speaker 2: but what if it goes down, Well, that's why you
Speaker 2: move it to a stable coin, right, so you can
Speaker 2: get out if you have to. It's not like you're
Speaker 2: necessarily going to lose everything. So yes, there is risk,
Speaker 2: but again there's there's certain loss in the dollar that's going.
Speaker 5: To say, can you be certain that the dollar is
Speaker 5: going to inflate?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Over time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you think that they're going to stop
Speaker 2: printing money.
Speaker 4: No, never, Every currency has a lifespan unless it's tied
Speaker 4: to a real, real thing. So that's just a historical
Speaker 4: truth and I don't see why it would change now.
Speaker 4: They might want that to not happen, but like this
Speaker 4: is where they oversee depth. Like when the when the
Speaker 4: dollar has in price and they can't keep paying people
Speaker 4: welfare to like sit in their pod, they're going to
Speaker 4: have riots that are a lot more significant than what
Speaker 4: we've seen recently. So like I think they're over overplaying
Speaker 4: their hand a little bit. And yeah, going back to bitcoin,
Speaker 4: you don't you don't lose unless you sell it, like
Speaker 4: unless you sell it for fiat or something. You don't
Speaker 4: actually lose if it goes down. So have like some
Speaker 4: like set yourself some goals like Okay, I can I
Speaker 4: have this much money I can speculate on or invest
Speaker 4: or sit on. However you want to sell it to yourself,
Speaker 4: and then I'm not going to you know, touch this
Speaker 4: un less they're an emergency or until it grows to
Speaker 4: this much. But again, like I would suggest looking at
Speaker 4: the coin as the moral alternative to fiat, because that
Speaker 4: way you're not like, oh my God, is it up?
Speaker 4: Is it down?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Did I make a good investment? Did I make a
Speaker 4: bad investment? Don't look at it as an investment. I've
Speaker 4: always looked at bitcoin as the the future option, like
Speaker 4: the future thing that I want to participate in and
Speaker 4: the thing that's going to outlive fed currencies. That's how
Speaker 4: I look at it. If I need to spend it,
Speaker 4: then I spend it. If I don't need to spend it,
Speaker 4: I don't spend it. End of story.
Speaker 2: And all these people in the chat fussed and complaining. Look,
Speaker 2: if you knew so much, then you would have bought
Speaker 2: bitcoin and sold it right you. Oh, it's going to
Speaker 2: be's a big scam and it's going to drop. Why
Speaker 2: don't you buy it? How come you're not millionaires right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because no one, no one that's into bitcoin is
Speaker 4: like like upset. No one's upset right now, trust me.
Speaker 4: And the ones that do it for the right reasons
Speaker 4: aren't going to be upset if it drops down to
Speaker 4: five k again. They're just not I know people I
Speaker 4: know people who like I know people who bought like
Speaker 4: ten cents and then bought house when it went to
Speaker 4: one hundred, and they're like they're done with bitcoin. But
Speaker 4: that's if they looked at bitcoin as an alternative to currency,
Speaker 4: they would have flicked kept zo because that's just you
Speaker 4: want some money, right like you want to save some money.
Speaker 4: So it's all a matter of your attitude and perspective
Speaker 4: going in. It's up to you how you feel about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, so as Christians, you do have an
Speaker 2: ethical duty to use your money ethically. We have a
Speaker 2: long tradition of you know, not trying to not to
Speaker 2: participate in unethical things. And if you understand the present
Speaker 2: monetary system, then you understand how it is very unethical.
Speaker 2: It's all based on debt, it's all based on theft
Speaker 2: and slavery. And I've never changed that analysis. I mean
Speaker 2: ever since I read tras you note, I got into
Speaker 2: Ron Paul stuff back, you know, when Ron Paul was popular,
Speaker 2: and I knew about libertarian stuff prior to that. So
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think people understand that Christianity is
Speaker 2: not separate from economics or the civil sphere. This is
Speaker 2: a total lie. I don't know where people it's out
Speaker 2: of Protestantists.
Speaker 4: Okay, It's mentioned. Money is mentioned over two thousand times
Speaker 4: in the Bible, and money is used in Jesus' like
Speaker 4: metaphors and parables more than any other comparative literary object.
Speaker 4: So I don't think Jesus was like money bad. Money
Speaker 4: was just an everyday reality of life that is relevant
Speaker 4: to life and that shapes the way we act amongst
Speaker 4: you know, act between each other. So we need to
Speaker 4: take it seriously and accept that. Like you can't just
Speaker 4: you can't just like deny that it's a thing. It
Speaker 4: shouldn't be awkward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, I never said that bitcoin
Speaker 2: is the only option ever. I mean, there are a
Speaker 2: lot of other possibilities, potentials. It's just had the best
Speaker 2: performance so far and it has the most life.
Speaker 4: I'll say it. Bitcoin is the best option. It's the
Speaker 4: most your it's the best. Uh, It's it's had the
Speaker 4: best minds work on it. It has proved not to
Speaker 4: have like a like a king, unlike a theoreum. Not
Speaker 4: that a king is bad, but metallic is a little
Speaker 4: flawed and doesn't have a moral compass in my opinion.
Speaker 4: So you know, if you want, if you want to
Speaker 4: hold ether and like you're okay with that, that's fine,
Speaker 4: but just know what you're getting into. Like he can
Speaker 4: change things about the protocol if he wants to. Uh
Speaker 4: So that's the risk you're taking there. It's a good
Speaker 4: it's it's it has some other it has some positives,
Speaker 4: but as a like a use case for a monetary system,
Speaker 4: like I wouldn't I wouldn't be behind ethereum in that sense.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good test net and has some
Speaker 4: other interesting applications, but not the same applications Bitcoin has.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: I just remember there's plenty of literature about how currency
Speaker 5: and money is alchemy and has a lot of occultic
Speaker 5: principles behind it. The dollar bill has a lot of symbols,
Speaker 5: has a book, The Alchemy of Money, Right, Joseph Ferrell
Speaker 5: has one. You know, Templars invented the banking system. So
Speaker 5: this is all wrapped up in the type of occultism
Speaker 5: that we talk about, because.
Speaker 4: They worship money, they worship Mammon. They chose, they chose
Speaker 4: their god absolutely.
Speaker 2: Before we go to the superchat questions, and I would
Speaker 2: add everybody, if you want to support us, be sure
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Speaker 2: link is in the description what is your prediction? Will
Speaker 2: you will you do a forecasting for US. Do you
Speaker 2: see the thirty six fifty K one hundred k bitcoin
Speaker 2: by twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: Twenty two, No, I don't think so. I think it'll
Speaker 4: dip back down before the new year, maybe like fifteen k,
Speaker 4: and I think it'll like straddle like like fifteen to
Speaker 4: like between fifteen and twenty and then who knows. Like
Speaker 4: it's such a difficult market to predict, but I do
Speaker 4: not think it's going below ten k. Ever, again, I
Speaker 4: think it's unlikely that'll go below fifteen k. It could happen,
Speaker 4: but it's unlikely. And I think there's some potential big
Speaker 4: players coming coming in. I think people are watching and
Speaker 4: more people are buying in and using it, and the
Speaker 4: technology on top of bitcoin is getting more you know,
Speaker 4: it's getting completed and more interesting and more private. And
Speaker 4: a shout out to all the core devs for like
Speaker 4: working for free. You're awesome, thank you for your hard work.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's my prediction, and I really hope to
Speaker 4: see governments feel that it's too late to try and
Speaker 4: do anything about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's going to be. I mean, if
Speaker 2: one government tried to take action to shut it down,
Speaker 2: we've already seen this phase like three or four years
Speaker 2: ago where governments were trying to make it illegal and
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. It's I think we're past that point.
Speaker 4: Unless it doesn't work, it'll make difficult for exchanges to
Speaker 4: like like you won't be able to like tie on
Speaker 4: American bank account in exchange, and like it's gonna be
Speaker 4: harder to buy it and trade it and all that stuff,
Speaker 4: especially if they pass like the two hundred and fifty rule.
Speaker 4: That's insane. If they pass that, then that's like a
Speaker 4: financial freedom reduction overall for everyone, not just bitcoin. It's
Speaker 4: total insanity. I hope they don't do that. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not gonna like kill bitcoin because there's other countries
Speaker 4: and also you can not listen it's it's not like
Speaker 4: it's not like where you break the law within your
Speaker 4: bank account and they just like shut you down or
Speaker 4: arrest you. Like it's it's a much more complex system
Speaker 4: and the laws around it are actually very nuanced and
Speaker 4: difficult for them to kind of navigate. So a flat
Speaker 4: out ban in any sense is difficult to even pass,
Speaker 4: Like with this kind of tech, they don't even understand
Speaker 4: what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And if one country trust to ban bitcoin. The other
Speaker 2: countries that don't ban it just do better. So it
Speaker 2: would be stupid, It would be a dumb move.
Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, there's that vector to it for sure.
Speaker 2: All right. So Jordan for ten dollars says, this is
Speaker 2: kind of out of nowhere. But does the presence or
Speaker 2: parasa of Christ apply only to the son or does
Speaker 2: the spirit also have a presence. Well, in terms of
Speaker 2: the redemptive roles, the presence of the Spirit at the
Speaker 2: escaton is not bodily or visible. That's why Christ took
Speaker 2: on human nature. So it's primarily Christ who is going
Speaker 2: to be interacting with us. The role of the spirit
Speaker 2: that the Eastern Father says to direct us to Christ
Speaker 2: and the role of Christ's direct us to the Father.
Speaker 2: So there's that triadic movement, and every theophany is of
Speaker 2: course triadic, but it's really the visibility there in terms
Speaker 2: of the parossa applies to the person of the son.
Speaker 2: Den Cy Dias since twenty dollars, Thank you, Dency, much appreciated.
Speaker 2: You didn't say anything, but I'll take your twenty bucks.
Speaker 2: Father Deacon John since three eighty. Hello, Julia, I saw
Speaker 2: your interview with James Corbett that you did so he
Speaker 2: likes your Corbett interview.
Speaker 4: Oh that's old school, thank you.
Speaker 2: That is old This is James Corporatecorporate Report dot com.
Speaker 2: I like you Corbett. We've done interviews too. I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not knocking you. I'm just being being silly here,
Speaker 2: sid B twenty dollars. This is a great I love
Speaker 2: this stream. Thank you also, Jay and Jamie you are
Speaker 2: a cute couple. God bless you guys. Thank you sid B.
Speaker 2: Oh that was sweet. Next time, however, I want to
Speaker 2: talk to sid A and not sid B, but thank
Speaker 2: you for that. Twenty dollars, not averse fifteen dollars. I'm
Speaker 2: just following Okay's command to super chat. Yes, and that's
Speaker 2: why everyone else in the chat, all three hundred and
Speaker 2: forty five of you, must also follow Okay's command and
Speaker 2: super chat. Janie Sophia twenty five dollars. What is the
Speaker 2: best way to buy bitcoin? This is an interesting guest,
Speaker 2: and it's always a pleasure to see Jamie. Do you
Speaker 2: have a particular particular exchange that you that you recommend.
Speaker 4: It depends what you want to do. If you want
Speaker 4: to be more private about it, you can do local
Speaker 4: bitcoins dot com. You can go to an ATM. There's
Speaker 4: like every city will have some bitcoin place that has
Speaker 4: an ATM. You can The best way is to buy
Speaker 4: it in person from someone you trust, someone you like,
Speaker 4: an acquaintance, a friend. But if if you don't care
Speaker 4: about the privacy aspect that much and you want to
Speaker 4: get in and have like have some bitcoin and just
Speaker 4: do it, you can sign up to an exchange. I
Speaker 4: prefer Kraken. Gemini is a good American option, and Kraken
Speaker 4: has like Kraken has never had a breach. And I
Speaker 4: know some good people at that exchange, and I trust
Speaker 4: that they won't steal your money on purpose, and I
Speaker 4: trust that they're competent enough not to let someone else
Speaker 4: steal your money. Having said that, when you buy bitcoin,
Speaker 4: and if it's any significant amount, do not on an exchange.
Speaker 4: That is literally just keeping it like at a bank.
Speaker 4: What's the point. Get a hard wallet, get something like
Speaker 4: a treasor, and you know, have your own private keys,
Speaker 4: basically private keys, that is what your own bank is.
Speaker 4: It's a matter of just writing down a bunch of
Speaker 4: words and like burying them in your backyard and remembering
Speaker 4: a pin If you want easy access to it at home,
Speaker 4: and that way, no one can get your big coin
Speaker 4: unless they specifically know you bought it and they come
Speaker 4: over to your house with a wrench.
Speaker 2: Can you make the face General now says, for five
Speaker 2: dollars that Jones made when you told him you're a
Speaker 2: monarch as seventeen seventy six, I didn't make a face
Speaker 2: and I didn't mention that, so we'll leave that one.
Speaker 2: We'll leave that question the side. But thank you for
Speaker 2: that five dollars.
Speaker 1: General.
Speaker 2: Now, all right, everybody, this was a great discussion. I'm
Speaker 2: going to add her book by the way to the
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Speaker 4: Bitcoins and give it to your priests and bitcoin.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yes, we want to have empowered Orthodox people in the future,
Speaker 2: so thank you. Great conversation Julia, much appreciated.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, have a good night you too,
Speaker 4: Bye bye.
Speaker 1: Hi