Speaker 1: SSSSS dire wave.
Speaker 2: Our anthropology is not derived by human psychology or you know,
actorical data from M I T or something like this.
It's derived from the revealed aspect of what we see
in prisology. And so there's no real way to diagnose
man's problem and to understand man and man's anthropology, as
I said, without the the right theology n.
Speaker 3: The sun.
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yes? How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good? How are you guys?
Speaker 2: We're doing good. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, Julia, this is my wife, Jamie.
Speaker 1: Jamie.
Speaker 2: This is Julia.
Speaker 4: Nice to meet you, Jamie. How are you?
Speaker 2: And welcome everybody if you would be sure and CLICKK
and share. Thank you for joining us today. Hopefully sound
and everything's good. Today. We're gonna be talking about some
of the areas that you would expect femininity, orthodoxy, and
one you wouldn't expect bitcoin. That's right. One of the
I think she has a video titling herself. One of
the bad bitches of bitcoin is that right.
Speaker 4: Old video called the basic Basic bit point. It's super
cringe now. I don't think it's even listening anymore. The
better one is how to be a Bitcoin hater. That's like,
that's a good classic, so relevant, and that you'll be
released some more in the next two weeks because we
have a book coming out on the topic.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool. Yeah, and then you have another video that
I want to ask some questions about, which is probably
I think your biggest hit getter, which is about the
fifty differences between men and women. So maybe let's start
it off with tell us what you want to about
yourself and your brave the world your channel, and then
we'll get into orthodoxy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sure. So I started the channel like over
five years ago. Now, I had my Twitter before that,
and then I decided to become more active in politics,
and I started with some like pro gone conspiracy stuff.
I wrote my own original content and just put kind
of monologues together, and then it progressed into being an
end cap and talking a lot more about political philosophy.
I did some stuff with info Wars that was fun,
and I then discovered bitcoin and I got to talk
to Alex about bitcoin. It was one of the first
people talked him about it on his show. So I
don't think he's into it. I think he got some
bad intel about it, So that's too bad. But you know,
I made a small impact for a couple of years
before he changed his mind. Either way, I ended up
changing my mind on some of my views because they
were no longer cohesive to reality. So I was an
atheist for twenty years, so obviously that shaped some of
my opinions in terms of politics, and I ended up
deciding that I was wrong. And it's it's difficult to
undo twenty years of wrong thing, but I did it,
and so that ended up putting me in slightly a
different direction on my channel. But yeah, I guess that's it.
I got it. I did a lot of bitcoin stuff
that's still the same because it's actually even being a
Christian and into bitcoin that's actually makes more sense, yeah
than not. And I'm also mother, so I've kind of
been going in the direction of self sufficiency and home
studying and parenting and all that because that's what is
natural to my life currently.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what were the some of the things that
took you from and cap and atheism towards orthodox I
know you have a background that you mentioned to Michael
Cisco that you're from Russia, and then you had a
period where you tested out Protestantism, and I watched your
video about what took you back, But maybe from my audience,
if they're not familiar with you in that journey, what
were the things that you saw in the Protestant world
that were enough to move you in the direction of Orthodoxy?
Speaker 4: Sure, so, do you want me to tell you why
I became Christian Orthodoxy? Yeah, So the first thing that
changed in my life was I became anti abortion after
being pro abortion for twenty years. And when you change
an opinion that is quite drastic, that makes you question
your other held beliefs. So if I was wrong about that,
what else could I be wrong about? And I think
that was kind of more on a subconscious level. And
so it's interesting because I became anti abortion before I
became Christian, but that almost led me to my path
of Christianity. And so I realized that you can't have
objective morality without an objective world giver, which is God.
And this also, this realization happened because I was in
this sphere of people who claimed to be moral, like
the Nona aggression principle. They touted all of these libertarian
and cap morality, but it's like self created morality. There
wasn't ever grounded anything substantial, because they would change their
morality based on the circumstance, and like, you know, one day,
like having sex with a thirteen year old is okay,
and the next minute you were mean to me, so
you aggressed against me, and the next day, you know,
like spanking your kid is totally evil and wrong, but
like psychologically manipulating and abusing someone because you think you're
making them do something correct, that's okay. So it was
just so all over the place, and that kind of
just witnessing that in the community made me realize whoa like,
you can't take your morality from like some dude on
YouTube or like some philosopher you like, you can't do that.
It has to be completely objective and only God can
do that. So that was the number one thing. And
then like the problem of existing, like anything existing, that's
like kind of a big problem that if you just
don't address very well.
Speaker 5: What made you change your mind about abortion was it
becoming a mother?
Speaker 4: No, I changed my mind about abortion two years, one
and a half years before I got pregnant, So no,
you know, it was actually some Catholics that changed my mind.
But they weren't. They didn't change my mind because they
weren't saying it from a religious perspective really, but they
were just very intelligent. They were some of them I
met in my theology class in university, and some of
them I met years and years later at Amesis meetup.
So it was an economics meetup, and they were very intelligent,
and they just like challenged me on some things that
I thought everyone kind of accepted. I'm from Canada, It's
very secular society, so no one really challenged me on
these opinions before. And they were like no life sorts
of conception, and then like, I couldn't. I couldn't, I
couldn't say otherwise. And then that just got me thinking
about it a lot more and I had to overturn
a lot of my preconceived, easily given notions about the issue.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times people find the problems
with the ethics the easiest means to come out of
the atheist realm. I mean, there can be other arguments,
there can be other persuasive things, but the ethical issue
is just the most accessible and the most obvious. I
think we have a lot of people who we've seen
convert because they couldn't really find any way to ground
all of these ethical claims. And most people are more
familiar with ethics than an argument from epistemology or metaphysics.
So yeah, I think that's one to always hammer home
and to point out that, you know, most of life
is under in some way the domain of ethics, and
in order to have ethics, you've got to have some
kind of benchmark, some kind of standard, and that requires
things like objective truth. And if you don't have a
system of philosophy that allows for or can give a
ground or justification for that, then your system is built
on sand that's going to fall apart. So I think
you mentioned in your video you talked about how a
lot of the Protestant groups and churches, while they may
have good, sincere motives and be doing a lot of
good things, ultimately in terms of the ideology that theology,
we're seeing the slow sort of collapse of the Protestant world.
I know, the Episcopalians, mainline Episcopalians, mainline Lutherans, their churches
are actually projected to die out because they've adopted sterility.
They've adopted all these preposterous doctrines that will actually lead
to the end of their church. So what were the
things that you saw that were problematic in Protestantism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I went straight for the Anabaptists when I
became a Christian, so I went I think I'm a
bit of an extreme person, so I went for the
most extreme Protestants. And you know, after a certain first
of all, I didn't like the churches. Ever, I just
went and I tried to do it, and it just
never clicked for me. I never liked it, but I
just like forced it. Okay. What really got me out
of it was actually reading the arguments, and I read
The Kingdom of God Is Within You by Tolstoy, and
he inspired a lot of kind of Anabaptists thinking not
like I know it, God predate him, but the way
that they like a lot of the arguments he took
to another level, like he's a Christian anarchist, and he
inspired Goandhi to do the like his peaceful revolution and
all that. So he's a huge prominent figure in that,
in that strain of thought. But they really they're hardcore pacifists.
Like the argument literally to ethics, if your wife and
kids are being murdered in front of you, you cannot
fight evil with force?
Speaker 2: Tols How's that.
Speaker 4: I couldn't side with Tolstoy in that or the Anabaptist
And I don't think the Bible teaches that, and the
conversation it just doesn't teach that.
Speaker 2: By the way, the Church fathers don't teach that. And
a lot of people will try to say that the
early Church taught that. Now you can find Irenaeus, you
can about Athanasius, Saint Ambrose, they all talk about the
legitimacy of the death penalty and by extension obviously self defense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so to me, I was not sold once I
really dug into the core of their beliefs. So I
had to. I remember like looking forward to reading this book.
I got it in Russian and in English, and I
just like I read it and I couldn't believe it.
I just like, I need a different strait of Christianity.
This doesn't make sense. So that was one of the
big things. And then I kept going back to Orthodox
Church for like the main holidays and once in a
while because and for me, I was telling myself, oh,
it's because I come from this, and I'm just like,
it's what I feel is more normal when it was
actually the opposite. I was rejecting it almost because I
dislike what Russia is and what Russia has become, and
how the churches in Russia operate and are. Like my
mom has like severe PTSD going into Orthodox churches from
her childhood, so there's a lot of issues. We can
go into that later. But so I had to like,
really it was hard for me to go to Orthodox church,
and I was going to. I went to one in
San Francisco and it was like hardcore, like Russia vibes,
like old Russia vibes, and the priest was psychotic and
very very overwhelming for me. And then I went to
a convert church, so like it's still ro core. I
went to ro Court Church with a convert convert priest.
He was a monk, but he was a convert. He
was an American guy. He learned Slavonic, and I've never
ever experienced that before. Like I'm from Russia, Like I
go to church, it's like all Slavonic, it's like all
Russian people. And I went to this church and they
was like full of wonderful people, and I didn't get
any of these vibes. And I realized that the baggage
I was carrying, was it Orthodox baggage? It was like Russian,
like horrible village people, Russian baggage. And then I was
free to go back to Orthodoxy. And luckily it's the
correct Christianity. So yeah, good worked out.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna ask if you had relatives that
were Orthodox.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone, all of my family. So all of my
family on my mother's side are Orthodox. My father's side
are all complete atheists.
Speaker 2: Was it the bad experiences that you had, like in
Russia that led to the atheism or.
Speaker 4: No. I can tell you the moment I became an atheist.
I was seven, six or seven, and I lost a
thing I was playing with at my grandma's house. My
grandma was devout about Orthodox She would bring me to
church and actually remember remember enjoying it. It was a
little scary and spooky, but I enjoyed it to an extent,
and she would read prayers over me at night, and
I knew them off by heart, and I liked all that.
But then I lost. I lost like a thing I
was playing with, and I remember kneeling down in the sun.
There was a ray of sunshine on me, and I said, God,
please let me find this toy, like like, I'm just
a kid, Like, why are you punishing me? Like this
is not fair? And I didn't find the toy. I'm like,
God doesn't exist, and it's the most it's the most
infantile reason. But I was a kid, Like it's a
childish reason. But I was a child, and I just
never went back and I became like a Fedora Edgy
atheist for twenty years.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people have that attitude, even
as adults. When they pray for something it doesn't happen,
they just decide that God doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: But it's so it's such a like it's such a
high time for reference attitude, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for you all, because whatever I asked for
I got so.
Speaker 4: Right. Well that's now that I'm an adult and I
look back and all the things that have happened to
me and all the things that could have really gone
wrong and maybe should have, I'm incredibly thankful to God.
I think someone had to be looking over me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I was kidding. I mean, yeah, I think
a lot of us have those phases where we go
I was never atheist, but I had a kind of
a generic neoplatonic phase or I wasn't sure what the
deal was, and I was tired of churches, an American
church corruption, and then you realize that church corruption is everywhere.
It's not something you're going to get away with. And
to a lot of a large part of it is
if your patient, you'll eventually come across, like you said,
the church that's right for you within the world of
Orthodoxy I'm speaking of here. So for me, I agree,
it turned out to be a road corps that was
the good fit for me. But so let's talk about femininity,
because this is a big thing that you and everybody.
By the way, you can go watch her last video
on her channel that's linked, where she talks about her
journey to Orthodoxy. You did a video a while back
that got a lot of views, four or five hundred
thousand views about the differences between men and women. Have
your views, and it was very science y. It was
such a sciencey piece. It was so grounded in papers
and research, which is fine, I'm just going around, but
you know, this is under attack the idea that men
and women are the same, and this is all part
of this sort of a satanic global elite inversion where
they want to really destroy the relationships between men and women.
And because that's where humans come from, right, we don't
come from labs. Even though they want to grow us
in labs, we're not at that point yet. So as
a female, what's going on? Here's what are they lead
trying to do? Why are they trying to destroy femininity?
Speaker 4: Well, again, I mean it's the typical reasons. They try
to pin everyone against each other. And the more conflict
there is, and the more loneliness and depression there is,
and the more the more broken the family is, the
better they have it. And I mean, look at the
Black community. I listen to this. I listened to this
guy and he does like a call in show, and
he's Black, and he's a Christian, and he talks to
women specifically about this very issue. And I bring up
the Black community because they're like the extreme victims of this.
Like they went in the fifties, they went from a
ninety percent within wedlock children and like almost no divorce, right,
and then in one generation it was completely inverted, completely inverted.
They were targeted and their family unit was targeted and
successfully destroyed. And he battles this and he talks about
the state of women specifically, and we see this in
every community and culture now. They were almost like the
testsnet and they succeeded, and they're doing it to everybody
now and it's horrific. And women buy into it because
they're confused and they're taught from a very early age
to only think about themselves and then they're special and
it's just like it's just a side effect of this
culture of narcissism. And because the state gets to grow
from giving women more benefits and more handouts and empowering
them in a way that disempowers men and placates men,
the government grows. And we see that with like the
voting the voting patterns and the types of policies women want.
It's actually a horrendous and horrific thing they've achieved because
a woman, a woman acting the way women are acting
today is perfectly okay within the home when she's under
the guidance of her husband, and instead she's doing this
and extrapolating this behavior to like the whole country, and
she's listening to like the big daddy government, and that's
where things get really, really dark. You cannot have society
of eata pule mothers that are like eating the children
of society. That is what's going on.
Speaker 6: That's amazing, that's amazing. You're talking about Jesse leep it
so yeah, and I like his videos.
Speaker 2: And by the way, LBJ at the time, back when
they came up with this whole great Society scam, he
talked about how this would get everybody in that community
on the dole for the next century, right, He talked
about how that whole plot would basically disenfranchise and destroy
that whole community. And then, by the way, I do
believe in the analysis of the CIA in the eighties
and the crack cocaine epidemic, I think that was an
engineered thing as well. And you can see a mirror
with that in the South in terms of or the
Midwest with both fentanyl or meth. I think those are
partly psychological warfare drug warfare operations. Again, this is in
the model of the British Empire and the opium wars.
It's no different. People don't understand that there are social
engineers that will study these things to wreck entire communities,
entire people groups. And now what we're going through with
this attempt a great reset is a kind of coordinated
attack on the whole West basically. I mean it's not
just the West, but the West leads the way in
terms of you know, economy and all that. So the
great research is a big step towards this kind of
technocratic socialism. It's going to be a problem, and a
big part of that is to destroy women. And you know,
that's why I think your videos are are on point.
Jamie has been doing some really good stuff on feminineity
women as well anything else. Girls converse here, what are
they doing to women? You wrote a book where you
talked about princess programming.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well, I wish I had watched your fifty
points video. I didn't know about it until a couple
of minutes.
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of science. It's not for girls, it's science,
all right.
Speaker 5: Can you think of some of the highlights of that
to talk about? Do you remember any that stuck out
to you?
Speaker 2: It was literally like scientific studies about what boys do
when they play with trucks and how they draw art
and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean one of my favorite things
is our eyes are littlely different, so we see movement
and color slightly differently.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That's fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's one of the first five. And
that's why, like the way it manifests in little kids
is boys tend to draw with two to three colors,
like dark colors usually, and they tend to draw motion.
Girls tend to draw people, places and things, and they
use like a way wider range of color. Obviously, there's
like can you wance an exception to this? Like everything else,
but our eyes are different, We're different, we evolve differently,
we you know, for those and when I say evolve,
I mean adaptive evolution, not Yeah. Anyways, I think I'm
in company that understands what I mean when I say, did.
Speaker 5: You notice anything about how the differences were complimentary to
each other?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, So, like okay, Like the typical one is
the baby crying. You know, a man could literally sleep
by an infant screaming infant and sleep through the night
because like you need to get up to kill the buffalo.
And the woman has a has a small seizure when
her baby cries, Like her brain has a small seizure
when she hears her child crying. And this is like
this is just common sense, but then you can. The
reason I did the science stuff is because everyone will
dismiss you as, oh, that's just you know, that's just
a story from your marriage or something like from ninety
percent of marriages. But okay, but now they do have
the scientific research to back it up. So you get
both the you know, the lived experience and you get
the data, which is very easy to measure because you
can book up your brain waves and have a baby
cry and see what happens. It's very straightforward, and you know,
people still dismiss it. I find like when I bring
this stuff up to women, they'll be like, my boyfriend
is such a much lighter sleeper than I, so that's
not true. I'm like, okay, good argument.
Speaker 5: I figured out why women are more chatty than men.
I don't know if there's anything about this. You might
know an article or something. But because you have to
teach the baby language and you have to keep talking
to it even though it doesn't talk back to you,
so it's like a one sided conversation a lot when
you're alone with a baby, you have to just keep talk,
talk talking.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's very that's very sweet, but I
don't I don't know because so the thing I talked
about in the video was because men to now to
repetitive sounds. So and like the woman talks a lot
more than the men. So it's like, which came first,
is because men tune out repetitive sounds that we have
to repeat ourselves even more for them to hear us.
So it's this, it's this funny thing. But that's an
interesting point with the baby. But to a future mother,
there's also don't stress about that because they've done studies
on parents who are deaf mute and they have kids
who aren't deaf mute, and that means the mom's not
talking to them at all, and they're fine, they develop
language skills, they're just fine too. But that's probably a
contributing thing chatting to a person that can't talk back
to you.
Speaker 5: He always tells me to talk more. I don't talk enough.
Speaker 2: In certain instances. Yeah, but Jamie's more on the quiet side.
She's definitely a more quiet, passive person, which works good
for our dynamic. But I thought that part was funny.
Speaker 4: Imin edity come naturally to you then, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that was funny. When you were talking about
the tuning out part, because I think that's every relationship
deals with that, Like we're the guy has to like
hear it three or four times before he finally pays attention.
And she gets mad because I tune out sometimes when
I just.
Speaker 5: Will stop talking if no one's listening, then I'll just
be quiet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, men are all about that.
Speaker 2: She was talking about how there's there's a dynamic to
why it is that way. It's not that all dues
are just trying to be jerks. It's that we have
an ear and a brain that's conditioned a certain way
for these types of situations, for adaptation.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the same reason why more manner in the
autism spectrum in that specific way.
Speaker 2: Yep. That's why I'm over here sperging now all the
time on this channel, and I can make these jokes
because this is a legit spurg channel. Nobody can make
fun of me.
Speaker 4: The femininity thing is interesting because it was actually kind
of like within a marriage, like taking a more submissive role. Uh,
came really hard for me. That's something I work on
every day actually, and becoming a Christian helped a lot.
Definitely helped a lot, and it brought a lot of
peace to my marriage and to my state of mind
because and I think a lot of women never get
past that, like they want to they have this like
urge to dominate, and then when they do dominate, they
like hate their husband because they don't want them to
be passive and they know, no real woman wants a
submissive husband. Like I understand, I understand wanting to be
equals and blul blah blah, like that's more reasonable, But
no woman actually wants a submissive husband. No, he doesn't
treat them with respect if he submits to her. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Well that's why every beta melg is left.
Speaker 4: Or just used.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that beta bucks baby. What about a couple
more things before we move on to economics. So what
do you what are you finding an Orthodox? Have you
looked at the Orthodox world in terms of the issues
going there on there? Geopolitically, I know that you know
a lot about Russian geopaul politics. Now, typically on my
channel and in my circles, we take a generally positive
Russian attitude in terms of the church because of the
fact that we know the US State Department is involved
in the Ukraine situation, and while we don't see anybody
as angels necessarily in these geopolitical issues. I'm just curious
if you had any comment on what you see going
on with the State Department using Bartolomew to try to
split the Orthodox Church in Ukraine. And I see this
actually as a pattern where they wanted to split the
Church of Montenegro. They want to split ultimately, I think
the Church in the US as well down the middle.
Do you have any thoughts on that? Has that come
up at all?
Speaker 4: Not really, it's you know, I've had some conversations with
some church friends about it, but I don't think there's
much disagreement there. And everyone kind of sees this kind
of stuff as a sad fair the thing where the
thing that really bothers me. And I understand where people
are coming from, but like this whole A lot of
people on the right, whether the Orthodox or not, they
like admire Russia and the Russian politics and the church
and how they're more conservative and family oriented and blah
blah blah. And I think it's like the symptom of
America going towards like this progressive horror that anything that's
slightly less we want to like venerate, but Russia, like
you can't judge Russia just by its Putin writing a
bear optics like the optics are great, like the masculinity
Orthodoxy family, but it's kind of a it's a larp.
Russia is not a haven of believing, you know, believing
Orthodox pro family people. Like. The population has very similar
problems of the populations in the West Havel and the
more extreme in Many in many directions. So you just
have to look at the statistical evidence for that one
out of three abortion so per we still have a
declining population, first of all. So I don't see where
this family first stuff is coming from. Maybe he's making
I know, Putin's trying to do some policy changes for that,
but that doesn't mean they're working. And the fact that
he's trying to do it means that there is like
a rod in the country to begin with. So a million,
six a million, six hundred thousand live births a year
versus six hundred thousand abortions, that's one in three women
getting abortions. That doesn't sound like an Orthodox country to me.
And that's like twenty eighteen. That's a twenty eighteen statistic.
So I don't know what people are talking about. We
have some figures, say, sixty divorce rate, sixty percent divorce rate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is a pretty based Russian and he left the
Soviet Union as well a long time ago, and he's
a way, you know, he talks about all those same stats,
and he's pretty realistic about whether, you know, because sometimes
people want to leave the US and go to Russia,
and he's like, well, oh my god, you're going to
have a lot of the same problems when you get
through Russia.
Speaker 4: You couldn't I'm being one hundred percent honest with you.
You couldn't pay me five hundred million dollars to go
live in Russia. Maybe for a year, I'll take it
for years, but permanently I wouldn't take.
Speaker 2: Well, the one thing you mentioned in the video, or
maybe it was the interview with Michael, you said something like,
if you wanted to run a business, it's very difficult
because it's very sort of mafia like, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can just shake off seventy one years of
horrific oppressive totalitarian communism where they killed all the smart
people and the ones that they didn't kill god away,
so there's no one left in Russia. They can't even
run a business, honestly, to begin with, because they're either
dead or they left, and if you try, you'll end
up like drinking yourself to death, or like not doing
anything because they'll take your business from you. It happens
all the time. They started doing it to my dad,
so they just you get an accountant and then you
wake up and your business is not yours anymore and
there's no there's no courts there at that function. It's
all bribes. You're going to bribe someone when your business
is gone?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I wanted to.
Speaker 5: Ask before we get off the topic of church. Femininity
and the Orthodox Church is a big.
Speaker 4: Part.
Speaker 5: It was a part of my conversion. I felt like
the whole experience was so much more romantic than a
Protestant church, and they gave such a higher place to
women and obviously marry they do not venerate her. How
did you find that the femininity and the Orthodoxy going together?
Speaker 4: I always say Orthodox churches of the most beautiful women. Uh,
so that something's something's working. I think I think Orthodoxy
because of how routed it is in the truth of
being a human, it just naturally accepts our differences and
empowers us to be okay with those differences. Whetheras Protestantism
is on most of the time seeped in modernism, and
it is more modern Christianity, So how could not be?
So it's it's difficult for them to maintain maintain that
when the culture that you know it comes from and
that shapes them is so progressive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Orthodox Church restores so much more
dignity to women, even more than feminism.
Speaker 4: Ever, could you know, cheers to that.
Speaker 2: All right, now, let's get into this crazy economic stuff,
because I feel like with this last run, a lot
of people are interested in bitcoin, they're talking about it.
It reminds me a lot of the twenty seventeen period.
That's when I first got interested in crypto and bitcoin,
and I've always been kind of hesitant even though I
was buying in back then. And you have been for
a long time kind of a bitcoin champion. So maybe
start us out with somebody who's long term with this stuff,
Like what is the best way to explain bitcoin to
a new audience and why do you think it matters,
you know, given where we are in terms of the
dangers of like you know, money printing, FIAT all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Sure, so one thing to understand is Bitcoin isn't just
a currency, it's a whole, entire new system of money
and finance and economy. So before we had a single
entry bookkeeping where like you would go to a store
and buy something and they would write down what you bought,
or like you go to get some money and they
like write down how much money you got in their
one little book. And then you've got double entry bookkeeping,
which is like a bank where you have like a
third and like a third party like verifying your transactions
and amounts and stuff. And then bitcoins like triple entry bookkeeping,
so you don't have a third party. You have a
ledger of absolute truth that cannot be changed, that is
verified and secure by an algorithm and by work. So
that's good. You know why that's good because that is
a lot more censorship and confiscation resistant than a bank,
let's say. And the other amazing technological advancement about bitcoin
in terms of finance money is it is capped a
twenty one million, which means it is deflationary as opposed
to inflationary like a fiat currency currency that is not
backed by anything because you just print that or you
can dilute the currency, you can debase the currency. You
cannot do that with bitcoin. That it just it's math.
It won't let you. So why is that important? Because
inflation is theft and theft is wrong. Therefore bitcoin is
the most moral money. So if you are looking to
get involved in bitcoin, get involved for the correct reason,
and that is it empowers people to be financially independent,
to not rely on third parties to keep their wealth,
and to not have their wealth debased over time by government.
That just feels like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first thing people don't understand, which
if you watch my Quickly Talks everybody out there, go
through my lectures on Tragi and hope, because one of
the things that Quickly covers early on is the scam
gold notes and fractional reserve banking and how the whole
modern world is built on this scam. So if you
don't understand that, bitcoin is not going to make any sense.
Speaker 4: Nor will any of the other right, So you have
to know that you're if you're interested in that and
you don't want to read like a huge, huge book
or you're not ready for that, or like you don't
want to read like a creature from Jaco Island that
explains the Fed. Really well, we just wrote a book
that is cool. It's small enough for you to get
a really good intro but not be overwhelmed with information.
It goes over exactly what you said, how our current
monetary system works, the history of money, like what debasement is,
what inflation is, why it's bad, and it does it
all from a biblical perspective. That's great. And then it
talks about bigcoin and why it fixes all this stuff.
So if you want to get any points and understand economies.
It's called Thank God for Bitcoin available on Amazon.
Speaker 2: So, okay, is is your book out now or.
Speaker 4: Almost it's out now? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay my bit
point Bible group and I wrote it and it's like
the perfect thing for this conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh good. Yeah, so I wasn't even aware about that.
So yeah, go you can go to her channel, go
to her website Bread of the World, and you can
find that book. Now. Next good point about bitcoin that
I've been thinking about is usury because a lot of
Christians have, you know, an ethical issue with the principle
of usury. Of course, the Church Father is typically in
the first millennium condemned usury and the more you think
about it, Bitcoin itself is kind of anti usury. It
can't be inflated. That's a good point here. And if
we think about the modern monetary system, it's built around usury.
The whole global economy is a giant usury based ponzi scheme.
Now that doesn't mean that there's not gonna be problems.
There's no silver bullets. That was one thing that really
gets on the nurse anytimes this topic comes up is
people say, well, how come your thing isn't the perfect
solution to everything? What about this problem? What about that? Well,
there's always gonna be problems, right, So there's no silver
bullet that solves all problems. But if we start thinking
in terms of what is ethical money, Yes, the gold
standard is ethical, it makes sense to tie it to
you know, something objective. However, we went off the gold
standard in the early seventies and that all allow we're
going back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the masks are here to stay and gold will
never be tied to your FIA ever again, get over it.
Speaker 2: Right, So on a user, now, it's true people could
who own bitcoin engage in usery, but you can't stop that.
But the system itself isn't useross because of its limitations, because.
Speaker 4: Of the limited number exactly. So if you are under
a system that is literally predicated on theft, you are
going to be more inclined to live an immoral life.
When it comes to your finances, You're more likely to
live a high paced, high time preference life, which like,
why would you like just a nice conscious level? And
we see this with millennials. Why would you save your
money and bother with that when it's gonna be worth
half the amount by the time you're fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the Michael Sailor drink.
Speaker 4: Just drink and have fun.
Speaker 2: That big investor guy who just put four ndred million
in the bitcoin it was saying that one of the
motivations for that was that the money printing of the
stimulus in the last year of twenty twenty basically devalued
the dollar by some crazy amount like ten percent.
Speaker 4: So if you want to, I just did. I was
just on a live stream with him, and I like,
I knew that that happened, but I didn't know that
it was him, And we were talking about holding bitcoin
and he said something. I'm like, you're not really holding
bitcoin unless you live in your mom's basement because my
husband was like that, GIRs like a multi biliever, like
I'm allowed to joke with whoever I like.
Speaker 2: Now, this is fun. So here's what the next The
next thing is. So those are the couple of basic principles,
a couple more things. Obviously the the This is where
it gets tricky because the blockchain technology is what allows
for the proof of work like you're talking about, and
the sort of the objective reliability. And that's another thing
that goes into economics is people want reliable transactions. They
know they can't be cheated, there can't be scams. Again,
nothing in the world is infallible, in fool proof by right.
But what we're doing is we're talking about a system
that's much harder to cheat and much harder to scam.
So the next thing is that people say, oh, but
what about the fact that in the Great Reset, all
the global elites want to utilize the blockchain technology, They
want to tie everybody to E E money and these
different central bank created digital currencies that they're gonna come
up with. My argument is that, well, we're not gonna
be able to necessarily stop that they're going to try.
That doesn't it make sense to try to have at
least some of your holding in something that would be
a potential competitor like bitcoin. I mean again, there's no
there's no nothing that's a silver bullet. I mean, do
you think the dollar is going to do better?
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't make any sense, right, No, I
completely agree. Sure, they can try to do a bunch
of stuff. They're always going to try to do stuff.
There doesn't mean you just opt out and do nothing.
And so far bitcoin has benefited people not damn and
they're actually threatened by it. There's talk of trying to
criminalize up private wallets, which is the whole point of bitcoin.
They want everything to be on an exchange that they
can monitor, and they they're proposing to have to do
like your you know, know, your customer for over for
like two hundred and fifty dollars instead of ten thousand dollars.
It's totally insane. And that doesn't just affect bitcoin, that
affects everything you do. So I mean, COVID is already
putting everything on card, like cash is already being kind
of taken out of circulation to some degree, and they're
trying to get us used to that. So if they're
moving everything online, you want to have more secure and
more empowering and more private options. And bitcoin isn't one
hundred percent private, but as long as they don't trace
the address to your identity, than it is. So there
are ways to You don't have to use mainstream exchanges
that tie you to your bank account. You can exchange
bitcoin in person. You can use cleanly mind bitcoin. You
can mix your coins, which actually is still a pretty
difficult tracing process for them. From mixed coins. There's many
other ways you can use more more private coins like Monaro.
If you're doing actual things you're really really worried about, sure,
so you gotta you can't just opt out. You got
to like keep with it and be one step ahead.
And bitcoin is like ten steps ahead, right.
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people just don't understand
the logic of it. And by the way I've watched
and studied bitcoin or ten years, I've waited a long
time because I was skeptical a lot of the fear, uncertainty,
doubt that I watched that I still see people in
the chat right now spitting out, dude. I've been seeing
this fear and nonsense for ten damn years and if
I listened to you guys, I would have never gotten
into bitcoin. But I finally went in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.
It was a wise decision, one of the best financial
decisions that I've ever made. And so and I still
see people repeating this like, you know, ten year old
fud bullshit. And I mean, you guys are the ones
missing out now? Is again, is anything fool proof? Do
you think that the dollar is going to be fool
proof in ten years? I mean that's the illogic of
these people right now. And also people, it's the actual
speculatives exactly, and people it's always a speculation.
Speaker 4: And people don't like three trillion in debt.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can't just be in debt for eternity at
a certain point of pops. Right, That's the real bubble here.
And by the way, I've never told anybody don't get
gold or assets. I never said that, so people people
have always had these Oh, if you're saying get bitcoin,
then you're saying don't get gold. I didn't say that.
I said have all of the assets that you can, right,
And I'm just saying that as the most the hedge
that has the most potential in the Great Reset, and
all this stuff would either be gold or bitcoin. But
bitcoin has performed way better than gold. I mean, have
you watched the last year, right, duh.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean the gold thing is a touchy subject
for a lot of people. First of all, theoretically gold
can be inflated. The best way to do this is
if you if there is an asteroid in space and
they prove that it has all these metals, and the
speculation it's just it can just be speculation. It doesn't
even have to be possibly impossible to physically mine those metals.
They can inflate the market completely. So well, that's just
the markets work, and they can do that if they want.
So yeah, I mean it's unlikely, but it is possible.
So also gold is manipulated to an extent. Also, holding
a lot of gold is really it's a huge barrier
to entry to do that. Like a lot of people
have to trust their parties again to hold gold for them.
And we see time and time again when like there's
a big mining billionaire in Canada. He had a bunch
of gold and he decided to like take it out
like basically do like a bank crun in his gold
and they couldn't deliver on the gold because they were
acting like a freaking bank, like affectuers a bank with
his gold. So it's got the same problems right now.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just MAXI Kizer the other day
just shared an article about I think JP Morgan had
to pay what nine and thirty something million dollars for
manipulating gold. So now people say, oh, but whales can
manipulate bitcoin. Yeah, but but the degree to which the
manipulation and the dangers that are present I think, I
think and bitcoin are actually less than in the other
fields because of the limitations on the number Bitcoin because
of the you know, objectivity and rationality of what the
blockchain is. I mean, it's just a better So again,
there's none of these that have no risk. Everything.
Speaker 4: The dollar has risks incentives like whales. Yeah, of course,
because it's still still not that many users a bitcoin,
So of course wills are gonna have a big impact.
That's gonna reduce an impact over time with more adoption.
But whales have an incentive for bitcoin to you know,
keep climbing, unlike governments who tend to not care if
they enrich their population or not. So the incentives for
whales are aligned to keep the coin secure and climbing higher,
not to likerupt.
Speaker 2: I think we're past the fear of phase, to write
the skepticism phase. Yeah, that a lot of people had
even four years ago, like when I was. I was,
so I started when it was around two three hundred,
right under three thousand, and it was really hard to
get Really a coin base was a nightmare to get on.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was difficult.
Speaker 4: It was I was coin base, I know, but.
Speaker 2: I'm saying back then, so I was scared, And then
now it's like, you know, no, there's a lot less fear.
You've got these big institutional investments going into it. So
I think that we're past the like this is a
thing that Dete is used, you know, this kind of nonsense.
A person who has a huge amount of bitcoin that
can influence the market.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so sometimes they'll like do like dumps a bitcoin like.
Speaker 2: The Bogdanosum beat bump beat dump beat if you see
that video. Yeah, so that's those are great entry points.
Let me ask you this because this is the one
and I'm just being honest, like the one danger thing
about bitcoin that I have worried about is the fact
that it seems to have a subversive nation state power. Now,
ultimately the way the economy is. I recognize that we're
all they're in a sense, we're already in a post
nation state situation. So there's no easy solutions to how
to get out of that. I'm looking at it more
in a realistic way that that I think you mentioned
in your video. Christians, especially Orthodox, we want to be
in a position where we are participating ethically in the
monetary system. We don't want to forego economic power. It's
not inherently evil, right, we want to be We need
to be capable and educated in economics, and so that's
why I'm saying that I think it would be wise.
I can't tell anybody what to do. I'm not a
financial advisor, but I think it would be wise to
have these kinds of assets for where we're going in
the future, just as a hedge and as the the
duty that we have to do ethical money, to do
ethical transactions. What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's difficult to trust in something that
is like so foreign to you and no one's asking
you to do that, but yeah, I get educated understand
what this monetary system does to people and how functions
and why, and then look at alternatives and try to
like not use PayPal as much, and not use banks
as much, and not participate in the things that are
objectively immoral the danger So.
Speaker 2: The dangers are outweighed by the positive. That's my argument.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. And also like COVID, COVID print machine, that's
going to impact our economy totally. It has a delayed effect,
but the dollar will go down in price eventually. The
Canadian dollar, I predict by next time, the next year,
by this time, is going to be on the decline.
I think Canada is going to go through a financial crisis.
They they printed the most money out of any country
during this crisis. So I'm not going to be caught
dead holding Canadian dollars. I Am not going to hold
money that's going to depreciate. And that is just that
is my financial advice. If you're a Canadian, don't hold
Canadian dollars. You don't have to buy bitcoin, you can
buy land, you can buy gold. You can keep your
money in US dollars because that will crash later, I think.
But again, don't keep fiat, buy real assets if you
have enough money to do that with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was Jamian. I were riding around
a while back and we were talking about, you know,
money that we had in savings, and I was thinking
about the fact that, well, it's just sitting there and
the dollar is deflated every year, it has less purchasing power,
so it's worth less and less. And I was like,
this is a while back, so why don't we just
put all of the savings into gold, right, And so
the logic of that was like, now, wait a minute, No,
gold is just sitting here. I mean, it's went up
a little bit from you know, the last six months
last year. And then I was like, well, why would
I just have it sitting in gold when the returns
on bitcoin are much better? I mean, and people say, well,
but what if it goes down, Well, that's why you
move it to a stable coin, right, so you can
get out if you have to. It's not like you're
necessarily going to lose everything. So yes, there is risk,
but again there's there's certain loss in the dollar that's going.
Speaker 5: To say, can you be certain that the dollar is
going to inflate?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Over time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you think that they're going to stop
printing money.
Speaker 4: No, never, Every currency has a lifespan unless it's tied
to a real, real thing. So that's just a historical
truth and I don't see why it would change now.
They might want that to not happen, but like this
is where they oversee depth. Like when the when the
dollar has in price and they can't keep paying people
welfare to like sit in their pod, they're going to
have riots that are a lot more significant than what
we've seen recently. So like I think they're over overplaying
their hand a little bit. And yeah, going back to bitcoin,
you don't you don't lose unless you sell it, like
unless you sell it for fiat or something. You don't
actually lose if it goes down. So have like some
like set yourself some goals like Okay, I can I
have this much money I can speculate on or invest
or sit on. However you want to sell it to yourself,
and then I'm not going to you know, touch this
un less they're an emergency or until it grows to
this much. But again, like I would suggest looking at
the coin as the moral alternative to fiat, because that
way you're not like, oh my God, is it up?
Is it down?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: Did I make a good investment? Did I make a
bad investment? Don't look at it as an investment. I've
always looked at bitcoin as the the future option, like
the future thing that I want to participate in and
the thing that's going to outlive fed currencies. That's how
I look at it. If I need to spend it,
then I spend it. If I don't need to spend it,
I don't spend it. End of story.
Speaker 2: And all these people in the chat fussed and complaining. Look,
if you knew so much, then you would have bought
bitcoin and sold it right you. Oh, it's going to
be's a big scam and it's going to drop. Why
don't you buy it? How come you're not millionaires right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because no one, no one that's into bitcoin is
like like upset. No one's upset right now, trust me.
And the ones that do it for the right reasons
aren't going to be upset if it drops down to
five k again. They're just not I know people I
know people who like I know people who bought like
ten cents and then bought house when it went to
one hundred, and they're like they're done with bitcoin. But
that's if they looked at bitcoin as an alternative to currency,
they would have flicked kept zo because that's just you
want some money, right like you want to save some money.
So it's all a matter of your attitude and perspective
going in. It's up to you how you feel about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, so as Christians, you do have an
ethical duty to use your money ethically. We have a
long tradition of you know, not trying to not to
participate in unethical things. And if you understand the present
monetary system, then you understand how it is very unethical.
It's all based on debt, it's all based on theft
and slavery. And I've never changed that analysis. I mean
ever since I read tras you note, I got into
Ron Paul stuff back, you know, when Ron Paul was popular,
and I knew about libertarian stuff prior to that. So
I don't I don't think people understand that Christianity is
not separate from economics or the civil sphere. This is
a total lie. I don't know where people it's out
of Protestantists.
Speaker 4: Okay, It's mentioned. Money is mentioned over two thousand times
in the Bible, and money is used in Jesus' like
metaphors and parables more than any other comparative literary object.
So I don't think Jesus was like money bad. Money
was just an everyday reality of life that is relevant
to life and that shapes the way we act amongst
you know, act between each other. So we need to
take it seriously and accept that. Like you can't just
you can't just like deny that it's a thing. It
shouldn't be awkward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, I never said that bitcoin
is the only option ever. I mean, there are a
lot of other possibilities, potentials. It's just had the best
performance so far and it has the most life.
Speaker 4: I'll say it. Bitcoin is the best option. It's the
most your it's the best. Uh, It's it's had the
best minds work on it. It has proved not to
have like a like a king, unlike a theoreum. Not
that a king is bad, but metallic is a little
flawed and doesn't have a moral compass in my opinion.
So you know, if you want, if you want to
hold ether and like you're okay with that, that's fine,
but just know what you're getting into. Like he can
change things about the protocol if he wants to. Uh
So that's the risk you're taking there. It's a good
it's it's it has some other it has some positives,
but as a like a use case for a monetary system,
like I wouldn't I wouldn't be behind ethereum in that sense.
I think it's a good test net and has some
other interesting applications, but not the same applications Bitcoin has.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: I just remember there's plenty of literature about how currency
and money is alchemy and has a lot of occultic
principles behind it. The dollar bill has a lot of symbols,
has a book, The Alchemy of Money, Right, Joseph Ferrell
has one. You know, Templars invented the banking system. So
this is all wrapped up in the type of occultism
that we talk about, because.
Speaker 4: They worship money, they worship Mammon. They chose, they chose
their god absolutely.
Speaker 2: Before we go to the superchat questions, and I would
add everybody, if you want to support us, be sure
and follow Brave the World over to her channel. Her
link is in the description what is your prediction? Will
you will you do a forecasting for US. Do you
see the thirty six fifty K one hundred k bitcoin
by twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: Twenty two, No, I don't think so. I think it'll
dip back down before the new year, maybe like fifteen k,
and I think it'll like straddle like like fifteen to
like between fifteen and twenty and then who knows. Like
it's such a difficult market to predict, but I do
not think it's going below ten k. Ever, again, I
think it's unlikely that'll go below fifteen k. It could happen,
but it's unlikely. And I think there's some potential big
players coming coming in. I think people are watching and
more people are buying in and using it, and the
technology on top of bitcoin is getting more you know,
it's getting completed and more interesting and more private. And
a shout out to all the core devs for like
working for free. You're awesome, thank you for your hard work.
And yeah, that's my prediction, and I really hope to
see governments feel that it's too late to try and
do anything about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's going to be. I mean, if
one government tried to take action to shut it down,
we've already seen this phase like three or four years
ago where governments were trying to make it illegal and
it doesn't work. It's I think we're past that point.
Speaker 4: Unless it doesn't work, it'll make difficult for exchanges to
like like you won't be able to like tie on
American bank account in exchange, and like it's gonna be
harder to buy it and trade it and all that stuff,
especially if they pass like the two hundred and fifty rule.
That's insane. If they pass that, then that's like a
financial freedom reduction overall for everyone, not just bitcoin. It's
total insanity. I hope they don't do that. But yeah,
it's not gonna like kill bitcoin because there's other countries
and also you can not listen it's it's not like
it's not like where you break the law within your
bank account and they just like shut you down or
arrest you. Like it's it's a much more complex system
and the laws around it are actually very nuanced and
difficult for them to kind of navigate. So a flat
out ban in any sense is difficult to even pass,
Like with this kind of tech, they don't even understand
what they're doing.
Speaker 2: And if one country trust to ban bitcoin. The other
countries that don't ban it just do better. So it
would be stupid, It would be a dumb move.
Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, there's that vector to it for sure.
Speaker 2: All right. So Jordan for ten dollars says, this is
kind of out of nowhere. But does the presence or
parasa of Christ apply only to the son or does
the spirit also have a presence. Well, in terms of
the redemptive roles, the presence of the Spirit at the
escaton is not bodily or visible. That's why Christ took
on human nature. So it's primarily Christ who is going
to be interacting with us. The role of the spirit
that the Eastern Father says to direct us to Christ
and the role of Christ's direct us to the Father.
So there's that triadic movement, and every theophany is of
course triadic, but it's really the visibility there in terms
of the parossa applies to the person of the son.
Den Cy Dias since twenty dollars, Thank you, Dency, much appreciated.
You didn't say anything, but I'll take your twenty bucks.
Father Deacon John since three eighty. Hello, Julia, I saw
your interview with James Corbett that you did so he
likes your Corbett interview.
Speaker 4: Oh that's old school, thank you.
Speaker 2: That is old This is James Corporatecorporate Report dot com.
I like you Corbett. We've done interviews too. I'm not
I'm not knocking you. I'm just being being silly here,
sid B twenty dollars. This is a great I love
this stream. Thank you also, Jay and Jamie you are
a cute couple. God bless you guys. Thank you sid B.
Oh that was sweet. Next time, however, I want to
talk to sid A and not sid B, but thank
you for that. Twenty dollars, not averse fifteen dollars. I'm
just following Okay's command to super chat. Yes, and that's
why everyone else in the chat, all three hundred and
forty five of you, must also follow Okay's command and
super chat. Janie Sophia twenty five dollars. What is the
best way to buy bitcoin? This is an interesting guest,
and it's always a pleasure to see Jamie. Do you
have a particular particular exchange that you that you recommend.
Speaker 4: It depends what you want to do. If you want
to be more private about it, you can do local
bitcoins dot com. You can go to an ATM. There's
like every city will have some bitcoin place that has
an ATM. You can The best way is to buy
it in person from someone you trust, someone you like,
an acquaintance, a friend. But if if you don't care
about the privacy aspect that much and you want to
get in and have like have some bitcoin and just
do it, you can sign up to an exchange. I
prefer Kraken. Gemini is a good American option, and Kraken
has like Kraken has never had a breach. And I
know some good people at that exchange, and I trust
that they won't steal your money on purpose, and I
trust that they're competent enough not to let someone else
steal your money. Having said that, when you buy bitcoin,
and if it's any significant amount, do not on an exchange.
That is literally just keeping it like at a bank.
What's the point. Get a hard wallet, get something like
a treasor, and you know, have your own private keys,
basically private keys, that is what your own bank is.
It's a matter of just writing down a bunch of
words and like burying them in your backyard and remembering
a pin If you want easy access to it at home,
and that way, no one can get your big coin
unless they specifically know you bought it and they come
over to your house with a wrench.
Speaker 2: Can you make the face General now says, for five
dollars that Jones made when you told him you're a
monarch as seventeen seventy six, I didn't make a face
and I didn't mention that, so we'll leave that one.
We'll leave that question the side. But thank you for
that five dollars.
Speaker 1: General.
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what Plair Colleagueood wanted to sign copies rite for Christmas time,
wake your friends and relatives up, get miss Julia's book
about bitcoin. That will be some hype hype Christmas conversations
about them.
Speaker 4: Bitcoins and give it to your priests and bitcoin.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yes, we want to have empowered Orthodox people in the future,
so thank you. Great conversation Julia, much appreciated.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, have a good night you too,
Bye bye.
Speaker 1: Hi