Speaker 1: It is time for this week's Big twelfth SEC breakdown,
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six twelfth.
Speaker 2: And the Southeastern Conferences.
Speaker 1: And we have plenty to discuss on the college football
playoff front. Let's begin with our hot takes as we
always do, and Tom, where I am gonna go.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this right here and right now.
Speaker 1: The winner of the College Troball Playoff National Championship.
Speaker 2: This is a hot take.
Speaker 1: I said last week that I think that the top
four seeds have kind of separated themselves from the rest
of the field, and going into the year, There's no
way in hell I would have picked this team.
Speaker 2: To win the national championship.
Speaker 1: There's no way in hell I would even pick them
to win their conference. But they damn sure have prove
me wrong. I like the Texas Tech Red Raiders to
win the national title.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I think that Morton has looked very good since coming
back from injury. I think the offensive line is salad.
They got the skill position players. The defense has been unreal.
Jacob Rodriguez has been fantastic, arguably the best player in
college football. They're going to be a tough out for
any body. They'll play Oregon likely in the quarterfinal, then
they play Indiana, and then you know, in the national Championship,
get probably Ohio State or Georgia.
Speaker 2: I think Texas Tech matches up.
Speaker 1: Well with all the teams remaining and their talent levels
right up there, with one of the best rosters money
could buy. At twenty eight million dollars, I like Texas
Tech to win the whole thing town.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could very well see that happening.
Speaker 4: I think Georgia might have something to say about it,
but I don't think it's too far out in left
field that the Tech can win this whole thing. I
hope they do a big twelve fan I'm rooting for him.
I think I think without it, without a doubt, they
could do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the only question I have tom is their
head coach, Joe McGuire. I haven't been a big fan
of Joey, but this year, to his credit, you give
him the roster and it's been a whole different story here.
And their one loss was a very close loss to
Arizona State without Baron Morton. That could have gone either way,
and it was a very excusable acceptable loss. So even
with you and I, with the doubts we've had about
Joey McGuire everything this season, he's done exactly what he's
needed to do.
Speaker 2: I would give Joe McGuire an a grade.
Speaker 1: I thought he should have gotten more consideration for Coach
of the Year this year. To be honest, he sure
he was given the roster, but he did what he
needed to do with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can't. I'm the man for having
a good roster.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's it's kind of what do they say,
You play the team in front of you. You take
what you're giving and do the best thing possible. And
he's done about the best he could do. I mean
at this point when in Natti would be a huge
cherry on top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom, picture a guy, Tom, Where do you want
to go with your hot Tech this week? Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, I'll go to the I'll go to the
Big twelve Conference in the In the men's basketball starting out,
I mean, look how that even You got two teams
in the top four right now. I know it's early on,
but again, like you said, in Texas Tech, they've done
what they needed to do. Iowa State Arizona both undefeated
eleven and ten and oh teams have looked very impressive
really in the If you look at the top teams
into the conference, you got Iloa stayed eleven, O, Arizona
on A ten and oh B y U ten and one,
Colorado ten and one, Houston ten and one, Oklahoma State
nine and one, UCF nine and one. KU is still
sitting there nine and three, Tech eight and three. I
mean the worst team so far through eleven games played
right now would be Utah maybe at seven and four.
I mean, top down through this entire conference, who's better?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, it looks like they've taken their
mantle back as the best conference in college basketball. The
SEC had a historic year last year, and the SEC
is still gonna be very good this year, but it
seems like the Big twelves back on top.
Speaker 4: I mean it's I I haven't watched a whole lot
of college basketball in recent years. This year obviously be
a little bit different, but man, what a blood bat
this conference.
Speaker 3: Is gonna be.
Speaker 4: When the conference play, I think what starts a couple
of weeks. Yeah, it's it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: I mean, every night is no no one wants to
play Arizona right now.
Speaker 4: No, I mean, they look obviously number one for a reason,
but they I don't want to crown them Big twelve
champion already.
Speaker 3: But it seems pretty cut and dry that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know this sounds like I know this sounds like
a cop out, Tom, but I think this very well
could be one of those co champion type years where
it's like Arizona and Houston, maybe even a third team
splitting the regular season title.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that. I definitely can see that.
Speaker 4: And then you get into the Big twelve Champion or
Big twelve Championship in the in the Sprint Center.
Speaker 2: Yes, not Team Mobile.
Speaker 3: That is going to be a show.
Speaker 4: That's gonna be a fun pre March Madness atmosphere. How
many of these Big twelve teams don't you think get
into the dance right now?
Speaker 3: I know it's a.
Speaker 4: Ooh that's a good question, man, I right now I
can see ten.
Speaker 1: I can see ten. Yeah, nine or ten. Now here's
an interesting note as well. Uh, and we're gonna move
on after this. They reduced the conference schedule this year.
You know, Houston last year went nineteen and one, and
Kelvin Sampson was kind of bitching about it, and honest rightfully,
so he's like, why are we playing twenty conference games?
It arguably the toughest conference in the country, he said,
I understand we're a sixteen team league now, but this
is just too much. And they reduced scheduled to eighteen
conference games. So something to monitor now that you've added
essentially potential for two more cupcakes to your non conference
right it made by reducing the conference schedule. How much
of that does that result in a boost for these
teams potentially when it comes.
Speaker 2: To the tournament resume.
Speaker 1: That will be something to watch come March when that
all unfolds there.
Speaker 2: All right, we.
Speaker 1: Got some transfer portal movement tom of some big names
in the Big twelve side of things. Sam Levitt out
at Arizona State, Soorsby out at Cincinnati, And I want
to start with Soresby first. His girlfriend is a volleyball player,
and she hit the transfer portal and committed to Texas Tech.
I would think that was probably u one of the
biggest paydays a volleyball player has ever gotten into.
Speaker 2: Transfer portal.
Speaker 1: Seems like a foreground conclusion, doesn't it. You know, she's
headed there. Tech's got all this money.
Speaker 2: Baron Morton gone.
Speaker 3: Did you see the Airbnb thing?
Speaker 4: I did not tell me so uh, And I don't
know how people find this, I really I'm I'm I
like to think of myself as like a private investigator,
Like I can find some ship on people, and the
people who tracked the flights, you know, they somehow find
out what plane these people are on, or what some
planes leaving from here. It's probably this person. Somehow they
found out that I'm trying to think it was a
Brendan Soorsby's YouTube account got logged into from an Airbnb
in Lubbock.
Speaker 3: Really yeah. Then I was like, that's incredible.
Speaker 4: It was either his like net no, I had to
be in his YouTube account, but they they found out
his YouTube was logged into at an Airbnb in Lubbock,
and obviously claiming that Swordsby was in Lubbock meeting with TEG.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 2: That seems like a done deal.
Speaker 1: And you and I were talking a few weeks ago
about that we liked Will Hammond. I know that he
didn't play that great in that lost Arizona state. But Tom,
if you're Texas Tech and you have the money here.
It's not a knock on Will Hammon. But if you
have a chance to go get a guy like Soresby,
who's arguably the best quarterback in the portal, why would
you not.
Speaker 2: It's it's not saying like, you know, hey, Will Hammon,
we see.
Speaker 5: You you did, don't want to play with you anymore, but.
Speaker 1: We could do better than you. It's not personal, it's business.
I don't blame them at all, to be honest.
Speaker 4: I mean Will Hammond would go wherever he was going
to make the most money. Yeah, what it is, I mean,
why wouldn't you. I mean, you're not guaranteed the next
level to have a contract. You better make the most
money you can't right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas Tech's got to look out for themselves.
Speaker 2: They always to their boosters.
Speaker 1: They're in il people to put the best roster together,
and if Soresby is an option, then why not. I
don't blame them one bit at all. Will Hammond's gonna
be just fine. I'm sure he'll find a nice landing
spot and probably be a starting quarterback somewhere next year
at a Power Conference school.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm not he's he shouldn't be worried obviously,
you know, he wants to take his shot and you know,
be the next Baron Morton for that team and what
that would do for your NFL. You know, prospect, you probability,
But yeah, Haymon will be fine. Uh, sorts me pretty
much done deal in tech for sure.
Speaker 1: Sam Levitt, his recruitment kind of all over the place. Uh,
He's heavily desired. Uh.
Speaker 2: There's been talk about.
Speaker 1: LSU, Texas Tech was mentioned, but it doesn't seem like
that's happening. I've seen Oregon, Miami all over the place.
Speaker 2: Sam Levitt.
Speaker 1: I don't know the full story, worry what's gone on
with Sam Levitt, but there seems to be some odd
stuff that's going on behind the scenes, whether it was
you know, him trying to get paid a certain amount
and Arizona State not having that money, which I think
is odd because you know, they were one of the
biggest schools in the country. They should have plenty of money.
But it doesn't appear to be the case that they're
willing to give Levitt what he was looking for. And
I know Jordan Tyson's head of the NFL, but you know,
with Kenny Dellingham, there and everything. There's plenty of chances
for Sam Levitt to compete and take this team to
a Big twelve championship in the College Football.
Speaker 2: Playoff next year. Right there, it feels like a money
grab to me.
Speaker 1: But we don't know all the details officially of that situation.
This is gonna be his third school heading into his
junior year. Remember he started at Michigan State. But it's
it's just very odd curious what the what the conclusion
is and what the full story is of this situation.
But at least on a surface level, Tom, it sounds
like that levit's bag chasing here because Arizona State they
don't want him to leave.
Speaker 2: He is their guy.
Speaker 1: He is already one of the greatest quarterbacks in that
program's history, and he and you know, don't him been
a great match it. It just doesn't add up unless
it's strictly money.
Speaker 4: Here, yeah, or maybe some bad blood somewhere or something.
Maybe what's said or but I mean obviously we don't
know what happens in the locker room necessarily, or nothing's
come out about that situation. So I mean, yeah, it
does seem like a bag chase. I mean, where Reedy
ends up. They'll be lucky to have him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: There's gotta be more going on than what we know,
but maybe we'll get the full story at some point
in time to see what happened there. You know, his coach,
Kenny Dillingham has you know, said that he's working on
an extension, wants to stay there at Arizona State.
Speaker 2: Michigan's been pursuing him heavily.
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised Kenny Dillingham leaves at this point, but
we'll see where things go from here. Let's talk now,
Tom about the college Football playolf and how things stack
up for the Big twelve and SEC side of things.
And let's look at this weekend slate when it comes
to the CFP and these games that we're talking about,
beginning with Ou and Alabama. Tom, the Oklahoma Sooners the
Alabama Crimson Tide. At the time of this recording, Oklahoma
now favored by one and a half. Bama opened as
a one and a half point favorite, but things have changed.
And here's what I look at, Tom. There's two scenarios
I could see playing out in this Ou Alabama game.
If you're an OU fan, this is where I think
you should be smiling a bit is that your defense
has been one of, if not the best, in the country,
and you're.
Speaker 2: Getting our Mason Thomas back.
Speaker 1: Your best defensive player who did not play against Alabama
when you had four sacks. He leads this team with
six and a half sacks. That's a big deal. That's
huge for this team. They were plus three in turnover
margin against Alabama the first go round. All of that
is really good. Now, let me get to the bad
end of things here. Okay, if o you were to lose,
and I think this could play out in any playoff game,
could be this week, could be the Rose Bowl, could
be after that.
Speaker 2: The way to beat Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Is that offense has got to be exposed, because, let's
be frank, it's not a good offense right now. John
Mattier has not looked like the same quarterbacks since coming
back from injury. The run game's been inconsistent, the offensive
line hasn't looked a great If you turn it into
a shootout, then you can blow the doors off OHU
and make us a runaway. If you can somehow turn
it into a shootout and get past Oklahoma's defense, which
is easier said than done. Ty Simpson. To me, Tom,
I just don't know if he plays like the ty
Simpson that we've seen the last four weeks, with a
completion percentage less than fifty eight percent, five touchdowns, four interceptions,
sacked ten times has played absolutely atrocious.
Speaker 2: Oh you wins this game.
Speaker 1: They probably win by double digits if we see that
Ty Simpson. But if ty Simpson can look like what
he was prior to the Ou game and look like
the guy that was on pace to be a first
round draft pick and a Heisman contender, And if Alabama's
offense can get going, because when when Alabama's offense is going,
it's much better than OU's offense, but they've had problems.
Speaker 2: Running the football on the offensive line all season.
Speaker 1: If Baba can figure that out, then Baba could win
this game and ty Simpson could take.
Speaker 2: Them to victory.
Speaker 1: I think this game, one way or another, it comes
down to ty Simpson's performance.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, I think that's a the only way that's
gonna shake out. I've seen people guesstimate the score of
about twenty to seventeen.
Speaker 3: To me, that seems right on brand.
Speaker 4: I think you're not gonna I don't see I don't
I don't feel like we're gonna see.
Speaker 3: A big shoot out here.
Speaker 4: You know, OU's defenses has been tough to score on,
and they've played in several lower scoring games than maybe
people we're used to seeing an OU team play like
and let's say the Big twelve Days. So I mean,
this is gonna be It's gonna be a hell of
a game and man, Norman's gonna be rocking on Friday night.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing to monitor as well, Tom, I
think is in OU's case, I hate to say that
they're kind of happy to be here, but you know,
they weren't supposed to be here, right, Like nobody thought, oh.
Speaker 2: You was making the playoff.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of the season, Brent Vinables was on
the hot seat of sorts like this is this is
as good as it gets. No one has any expectations
for ow you beyond here, And I would say that
the pressure is kind of off of them, of sorts.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Now there's pressure on the program because they have never
won a college football playoff game. They're at home and
they're favored now, But I wouldn't say there's any pressure
directly on like John Matteer or rent ventibles to win
this game.
Speaker 2: On the flip side of they're Alabama, the pressure is everywhere.
Speaker 1: You got Dan Orlowski this week saying that, hey, if
Simpson plays well against Ou, he could play himself into
being a top ten pick. If he struggles, he's got
to go back to school. That's how big this game
is for Ty Simpson. Kaylin de Boor, my dad and
I were talking about this yesterday. I think Kaylen de
Boor is a fantastic coach, but he plays that West
Coast style and they're not tough, and that hasn't gled
well with BAMA fans where they can't stand him and
he's not well liked. And even though he's been successful
and he's done a good job by every menager, he's
not one of their own.
Speaker 2: It's kind of somewhere to Brian Kelly.
Speaker 1: And if they lose this game, and that's his third
lost to Oklahoma, pitchforks are going to be out on
uh on Kaitlin de Boor, and maybe he's thinking, why
do I have to put up with this? Why don't
I go to Michigan? Why did I turn down Penn State.
I think Tom like the pressure. If we're talking individuals,
it's it's Kaylin de Board's Simpson. It's not prin Vittables
and John Teer.
Speaker 4: I think, oh yeah, you know Kaylen de Boor is thinking,
you know, if I lose this game, why wouldn't I.
I'm you know, he's he comes from, you know, Washington
as of recent coming down and playing the SEC Some
people aren't built for it. And I'm not gonna say
he's not built for it, but you know that fan
base is probably rolling him up, giving him ship every week,
and it's just like, okay, big shoes to fill in
Nick Saban, Like shit, ain't gonna be a sweet out
of the gate.
Speaker 3: I think Alabama fans are. I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I don't think they're justified and rallying him up. You know,
you get however, many years in Nick Saban, you should
be blessed to have that. And you know, I think
Kaylen de bar from all counts has done a decent
job so far. I don't think he's done a bad job,
but it's not all was gonna be Natty or or
Bus for Alabama each and every year. Like right with
the way players are being paid in the portal like it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be tough for anybody to do that.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the week OU's offense gets exposed.
I think bann has got just a ton more issues
than OU does.
Speaker 2: I don't think O us playing that great either by
any means. They They did not.
Speaker 1: Look impressive at all against LSU, but they've had their
way with Bama the last couple of seasons. Now they're
at home and all the pressure being on Obama here.
I like OU by double digits. I'll go sooner twenty
four thirteen to get a dollar.
Speaker 2: You who do you like in this?
Speaker 4: I like OU as well. I think it's a little
bit closer than that. I'm gonna go twenty four to
twenty one Ou.
Speaker 1: Okay A and M in Miami tom A and M
Mike Elko. You and I have been singing his praises
for a while. He's done a great job and is
The only stumble was that Texas game, And I know
it sucks for them that they lost a rivalry game,
and their undefeated season and the rest to see championship
hopes all died right then and there, and we haven't
seen them play since that lost to Texas, but they
did play an easy schedule. You did have the road
win against Notre Dame. As crazy it sounds, I feel
like we still don't really know who A and M is.
And you get a Miami team that they're physical, they
got a good offensive line, they can run the football,
they play good defense. Carson Beck, if he doesn't turn
the football over, Miami could be undefeated right now.
Speaker 2: He threw way too many picks in their two losses.
Speaker 1: Like Tom, I think I leaned towards Miami here. But
and even in Carson Beck's case, like he's played in
big games, Like sure, we don't know what version we're
necessarily gonna get, but he's much more familiar with this
stage than Marcel Reid and Texas A and M is.
I know A and M's at home and Kyle Field
and all that, but uh, something something tells.
Speaker 2: Me I kind of lean towards Miami in this game.
Speaker 4: Very interesting. I mean, I think it could definitely go
either way. And we still, like you said, don't really
know how A and M is as a team.
Speaker 3: Are they good or bad?
Speaker 4: You know Marcel Reid's gonna return next year either way,
so you do have some stability there even on the
clients leaving I like A and M in this game.
Last time, I feel like I said I like A
and M. They lost to Texas. Every time I pick
against A and M, they always win. So I don't know,
maybe the reverse voodoo here again, but I will take
A and M.
Speaker 3: I'll take a M by a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then two lane taken an ole Miss. I
tell y'all last week, don't fall for the trap of
taking two lane in this game. These teams two teams
already met up. Ole Miss dominated them. I know I'm
not a big fan of Pete Golding, they promoted to
be their head coach, but Charles Wist Junior is still
calling the plays and everything.
Speaker 2: There's this team's going through a.
Speaker 1: Lot with this Lane Kiffin situation, But I don't think
this is the game where that becomes a problem.
Speaker 2: If they were playing a team like Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Or Alabama or Miami or Oregon, then I think ole
Miss would be in big trouble right now. But they're
playing a group of six school that they are extremely
more talented than they're at home. There's just no reason
for ole Miss to lose this game. You know, shout
out to Cade and Maddie and you know are two
lane friends at the roundtable. You know they've had a
great season. But it's just a talent mismatch, Like there's
if we're talking based on the talent there, it's not
even close between.
Speaker 2: These two teams and.
Speaker 3: Over the by J.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would take Channelis over over the BYG. Yes,
I would yes over Jack Retz laugh. I I think
that that ole Miss should win this game. It would
take you know, we've seen some crazy step four, but
I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 2: Tom. Like this, if if.
Speaker 1: All goes right, if ole Miss does what they're supposed
to do, this game shouldn't even be close.
Speaker 3: No, you're right, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 4: All mentioned but they won the first time, like thirty
five to ten or something like that, something predictable, multiple scores,
thirty eight, something I'd forget, but I predict something like that,
the same type of score.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I gave you my National Championship pick Tom
before we go here. I got Texas Tech beating Georgia
in the National title game first time. The Big Ten
in the last two seasons not only doesn't get a
team in the title game, but doesn't have a big
ten team win it either Big twelve sec for the
Big twelve sec breakdown Texas Deck and Georgia Texas Deck
wins it all.
Speaker 2: Who's who's your pick? Who gets there and who wins it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take the same matchup, but I've got to say,
go dogs.
Speaker 3: I think George is gonna be too good.
Speaker 1: All right, Mortar comp stay with us as we continue.
Join us now in the program this week, please to
welcome in from.
Speaker 2: NBC four in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 1: It is our guy, Joe Nugent, who joins us for
the very first time.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I've known this guy for a
long time. We both worked in Omaha.
Speaker 1: Uh many years ago and stayed in touch, and now
he's doing a great job covering the buck Eyes and
he joins us right now.
Speaker 2: Joe long over, du glad we can make this happen.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know this is good. Yeah, no, no, no,
it's it's great to chat with you. I know we
ran into each other down at the Cotton Bowl last year,
so we'd probably do it again here this year. It'll
be it'll be fun to see what happens here in
this game.
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, the uh what was that? The the ice storm,
the snowpocalyps that occurring.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I was kind of thinking, like for those
of us, you know, who came from Ohio and whatever,
we're like, it's like, man, if we're gonna play in
a dome and the weather's gonna be bad outside, you
could do that in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3: You can do that. You know.
Speaker 5: It was kind of like, you know, it was just funny.
You know, he traveled a couple hours at a play
and it's like, it's the same weather man. This is crazy.
I thought it was gonna be warm, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a bizarre couple of days there, but it
was a good time and the Buckeyes of course got
that win on their way to a national chamchampionship there
last season. Joe, before we dive into too much business,
because it is your first time here with us, tell
us a little bit about yourself. I know you're an
Ohio guy. Getting the cover Ohio State. That's got to
be a dream come true of sorts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a pretty cool deal. I was born
up in the Cleveland area, moved around growing up as
a kid, all around Ohio, so you know, definitely a
buck eye all the way through. But it was also interesting.
I moved to Michigan at one point two. I was
in third grade, So it's actually kind of funny because
I moved from Columbus up to the Detroit area and
you know, a new kid in third grade and I'm
in an elementary school with you know, two hundred Michigan
fans and I'm the only Ohio State fan in the school.
So yeah, you want to talk about living that rivalry.
I mean at a young age, you know, that was
kind of the experience. But yeah, it's been good man.
I mean I've been to a bunch of big Ohio
State games through my life, you know, as a fan,
you know, before working in the media of course, you know,
now covering the team weekend and week out, obviously hitting
up all the games too, So it's yeah, it's been
pretty neat. You know, I really appreciate this program. It's
cool to be around it. It's cool to be around
the guys. It's you know, they're they're a good groups.
So I do enjoy it from a personal side as well.
Not only you know, seeing the scarlet and gray, but
you know, a lot of respect for what's going on
inside the program as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to think how far they've come in a
short amount of time, Joe. This weekend last year and
talk nationally was about Ryan Day's future. If they were
to lose to Tennessee and a lot of people picked
Tennessee to win that game, would he still be the
head coach at Ohio State or not coming off the
lost to Michigan. Of course, now to getting to the
Big Ten Championship and a year later. I know that
it was disappointing that they did lose in the Big
Ten Championship Indiana, and we'll get into all that, but
when in the National Championship dominating the way the regular
season they did, things changed pretty quickly for this Ohio
State program in in the last eleven months here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. It is interesting. You know, you kind
of get the feeling around town, you know, talking to
Ohio State fans. You know, nobody's hitting the panic button
this year after the Big Ten Championship, after that loss
to Indiana, because it's the same way that Ohio State
went into the playoff last year. To your point, but
I think the big difference here is that loss to
Michigan last year is a twenty point favorite at home.
You know, that was a gut wrenching type of loss,
you know, losing to the number two team in the
country that's now the number one team in the country.
You know, in a game where you didn't really play
that well. Also you missed a late field goal that
could have you know, tied it and potentially set it
to overtime. You know, it's it's a different it's a
different type of maybe anger, a different type of frustration
that the buck Geys are feeling this year compared to
last year. It's the end. The emotion isn't quite as
strong as it was a year ago. So it was
you know, it was really interested in how it played
out last year against Tennessee because the volunteers, you know,
they traveled great, as you know, and they had a
ton of fans at Ohio Stadium last year for that
playoff game, and it was cold out the way you know,
I mean it was really really cold. So for Ohio
State fans, who you know normally tailgate before especially before
a night game, you know, like any other college you
know football fan base, you know, people weren't really doing
it that day. You know, it was like, hey, I'll
be there at eight o'clock or you know, whenever this
game kicks off, that's when I'll be there. So all
these folks from Tennessee who drove up, you know, they
obviously arrived in town. You know, maybe they got a
hotel Friday night or they you know, drove up and
got in town you know, three, four or five hours
before the game. So as you drived around, if you
drove around the stadium before the game, you saw a
lot of orange. I mean it looked like like like
man like Tennessee you know, certainly is going to bring it.
But for the volunteer fans, like they they a lot
of them thought that like, hey, we're going to take
over the stadium now. You know, as it turned out,
I would say they've probably had twenty five thousand fans there,
which is a huge number. It's a quarter of the stadium,
I mean, super impressive, but obviously not enough to quote
unquote you know, take over a stadium. But then because
nobody lives in Columbus is a Tennessee fan, you know,
and you know it's first time Tennessee's been up at
Ohio State. You know, everybody wants to check out the stadium.
They want to get in the stadium early. There's you know,
it's freezing, you know outside, it's not really like a
great tailgate scene. Might as well go in and watch
the guys warm up. So then the Buck guys, you know,
come out to take the field, you know, to warm
up an hour and a half beforehand. And you know,
there's like fifteen thousand Tennessee fans already in the stadium
at that point, and uh and at that point, you know,
all their cheers, all their chance, they are taking over
the stadium like that, Like that is a you know,
that's a pro Tennessee crowd at that point. And so
that kind of pissed off the Buck guys. The Michigan
game pissed off the Buck guys. So there was a
lot going on. And you know, they got out to
a fast start in that game, get Jeremiah Smith for
a touchdown, and you know they're often running from there.
But there was just there was a lot of emotion
involved in that that. I don't think it's going to
play a role this year when they you know, head
down at Dallas to play the Cotton Bowl.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point it's a whole different mindset
that they're gonna have to find some more motivation of sorts.
Speaker 2: And and you know, I look at.
Speaker 1: That lost to Indiana, and you know, I understand some frustrations.
I think we all do, Joe that that's a game
that Ohio State was favored in that they feel like
that they should have won. But Indiana a very good team,
a quality team, number one team in the country. Of
course you lose that, But I feel like if they
played ten times, they probably split five out of five.
Maybe Ohio State even wins six out of ten times,
Like if that ends up being a rematch, if the
two were to go toe to toe again, I think
if you're out of state, you're still feeling very good
about where you stand going in this playoff right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah about it. I think there's certainly a lot of
Ohio State fans that I would I think a lot
of the players as well in the team would love
to have an opportunity to play that game one more time.
You know, I don't want to make any excuses for
those guys, so that this is just me talking, but
I think going into this game, you know, the two
teams went into it in very very different ways.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: For one, Indiana played Purdue on Friday night the week before,
so they did have an extra day of prep. Was
that significant, I don't know. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Also,
Prdue is their rival, but you know, Purdue is not good.
They dominated that game. It was it was over early.
It wasn't necessarily a big emotional win for Indiana. On
the flip side, Ohio State beat Michigan for the first
time in four years, did it in ann Arbor, you know,
on their field, and it was an emotional win for
Ohio State. I mean the way the guys celebrated with
the fans like they always do. Win at Michigan Stadium.
It's a big, big deal and you know, it's potentially
a challenge to hit the reset button. And that's the
first time this season that they really played two back
to back big games, you know, because you know the
Big Ten, you know, I mean the middle of the
Big ten, the bottom of the Big Ten. You know,
Ohio State's a big favorite in you know, most of
those games. And that's so so they had that scenario
for the first time. And I don't know if that's
why they lost to Indiana. I don't know if that's
why they didn't play their best, but I kind of
believe that it certainly played a role in that game.
So you know, if you go to a national championship game,
you know Ohio State's actually gonna have the extra day
of prep because their semi final, the Festa Fiesta Bowl,
would be the day before the other semi final the
Indiana would play in. But also, you know, both teams
are going to come in off of a big emotional
win in the semi final, so I just think things
are going to be more level. Also, this game, potential
to national championship will not be inside the state of
It will not be in downtown in Indianapolis, you know,
It'll be in Miami, so it'll be more of a
neutral site situation as well. I'm confident the Buck guys
can you know, go into places and beat teams. They
beat Texas obviously in Texas last year. But I think
if you have a choice, you'd rather have more of
a neutral site situation. So I think for a lot
of reasons, Ohio State would like to have another chance
at the Hoosiers. You know, Jaden Fielding who missed the
kick late in that game in the Big Ten Championship,
that twenty seven yarder. He's been really good all season.
I mean, that's the first time where you know, he
missed it kick where it was like, you know, gosh,
you know, he thought it would you know, we all
thought it was going to go through and we'll see
what happens from there. So that was really the first
time that he struggled in that moment. You know, Ohio
States has some issues in short yardage situations. You know
that came to roost in the Indiana game. So I
think there are some issues that played a role in
that game, but issues that they can fix. You know,
they haven't been issues that they've had all seasons, so
it's not like they've struggled in those areas. I think
it was just kind of a problem that we've started
to see and you know, have confidence that they'll get
get those things corrected.
Speaker 1: Joe Nujan joining us here on the program this week. Joe,
let's talk about the quarterback, Julian saying.
Speaker 2: It was highly recruited.
Speaker 1: Of course started at Alabama and finally got his chance,
and I think there was some big questions of you know,
what was he going to turn into this season and
here we are. He was a Heisman finalist and was
you know, leading this team. It wasn't like he was
just along for the ride or wasn't a detriment. No,
he was a big, big part of this. I've been
so impressed. What's been your takeaways from what he's done
at the quarterback position, what he means to this team
right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, first of all, he's been extremely accurate,
you know, that's been probably the biggest part of it
for him, you know, but his demeanor, it's really interesting.
You know when somebody takes over a job like this
for the first time, you know, you sort of wonder
how they're gonna handle it, right, like this is a
big deal. And and he's he's been just so relaxed.
You know, you kind of think he's from southern California.
You kind of think, like California, cool, so cal kind
of guy, like that's who he is. He doesn't get rattled.
Did throw a pick on the road at Michigan, did
throw a pick early against Indiana. That's really the only
moments of the season where you know, he really wish
he had it back. He's a guy who is more
than willing to throw the ball away. So you know,
it feels like when he's in these moments in these
big games where sometimes some quarterbacks might force it to
try to make a play, you know, he is absolutely
fine throwing the ball into the fifth row and kicking
a field goal or giving it a shot on the
next down. So, you know, you want to talk about poise,
I just I think he has so much poise in
those situations. And he has obviously two really really good
receivers with him and Jeremiah Smith and Carnel Taate. Especially
in the deep balls. He has great deep ball accuracy.
One of the reasons why he'll put a little more
air under it, right, He'll give those guys a chance.
He doesn't want to, you know, if they if they
get what they want from the defense, they don't want to.
They don't want to flat out miss on that shot, right,
Like they don't. They're not necessarily you know, it's not
necessarily a situation like okay, we have to score a
touchdown on his play. They're more than happy to take
a forty yard game if that means that the receiver
you know, has a you know, three steps in the dB.
But then he has to slow down to come back
and catch the ball and it turns out to be
a forty yard game. Like they're fine with that. So,
you know, he does little things like that. The coaches
obviously have you know, pushed him to do that, but
he'll he's willing to do those little things that helped
the team. So, yeah, it's been good to watch.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: He's also the offensive line has kept him clean through
most of the season. Now, the Indian game was different.
They came into that Big Ten Championship only allowing six
sacks through the first twelve games of the regular season,
and then in that game, Indiana got to him five
different times. So that's certainly a concern going forward, uh,
in a big way. But but it's helped that he
has had time and he's been able to diagnose and
he doesn't he does a really good job of seeing
what the defense is doing. You know, that's why the
interceptions are pretty rare. So you know, it's been good.
He's also you know, he's real coachable too. You know,
he's not he's not necessarily he's not taking a lot
of big chances. You know, he's taking what the defense
gives them. You know, I feel like Ohio State's staff.
You know, obviously they have a you know, great pedigree
on the offensive side of the ball. And uh, and
Julian knows that. That's why he wanted to come to
Ohio State, you know, once things at Alabama changed, and
you know, so he's come here, he's listened, he's coachable,
and I think that's what you're seeing on the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that. Great point.
Speaker 1: Uh. Jeremiah Smith was fantastic as a freshman last year.
Year two another great year for him. What have you
seen from him in his gruff from year one to
year two?
Speaker 5: Here? I think right now he's angry. He's angry he
didn't win the Bolittanikov Award, which you know it could
be an issue for you know, either Texas a and in
them or Miami coming up in the thirty first. But
you know, the thing the thing about Jeremiah is, you know,
defense is new. He was good and he hurt people
last year, but they are really shifting things his way
this season. So the fact that he's been able to
go for more than a thousand yards this season, like
he's doing it primarily against double coverage situations, or he's
either in his zone, you know, between the safety and
a corner who's dropping that sort of thing. So so
that's what makes it more impressive this year is that
he's been able to maintain that level of production, but
do it against you know, much harder defensive setups. You know,
I think in the playoff last year, he obviously went
off and the Rose Bowl had a great game against Tennessee.
You know, people saw him do that. Than Texas has
a great plan for him in the Cotton Bowl. I
think he had one catch in that game, if I
remember right. So you know, I think people certainly have
looked at what Texas has done and they've tried to,
you know, pick up some things emulate that a little bit.
But yeah, Jeremiah has been great. Uh the touchdown he
scored against Michigan, you know that was that was one
on one coverage, you know, I mean there are times
where he gets one on one coverage. It was a
slant and go. It was, you know, they needed five
yards on that play and so the slant was right
at the sticks. The dB thought that's what you know,
they were going to do, and then he you know,
took off. So yeah, it's been fun to watch. But
back to what I originally said, he doesn't post a
lot on social media, but he did the night of
the College Football Awards, the night that he did not
win the bulletan cough. I mean my opinion personally, like
Ohio State's offense benefit. Everybody in the offense benefits from
Jeremiah Smith because of all the attention that that he attracts.
Julian benefits, Carnell Tate benefits, the learning like everybody benefits.
And when people, you know, through the season, there was
a time where Jeremiah and Julian were both you know,
right in that conversation to win the Heisman, and and
I felt throughout that throughout that time that Jeremiah was more,
you know, was the was the guy who should win
it because of how he helps all of his teammates out.
You know, there's more to it than his numbers. So
I don't know, I'm hoping that he has a big
showing here down the stretch because he deserves it. He's
really done a ton, like I said, for this team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. Let me talk about that
defense here.
Speaker 1: A lot has been made about the job Matt Patricia
has done coming in taking over this defense, Jim Knowles
leaves and goes to Penn State, and they have not
missed a beat. They have been even better than what
they were arguably the best defense in all college football
this year. Give me your thoughts from what we've seen
from from Matt Patricia, how he's been able to get
it done here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think the most impressive performance by
this Ohio State defense was in the only game that
they lost this season against the high powered Indiana offense
that you know, scored more than fifty points over and
over and over again. Against Ohio State, they only scored
thirteen points, but that was enough to win that game.
So you know, it's it's been and you know, you
wanna talk about like a home run higher. I mean,
that's exactly what this was. You know, going back to
last year, a week after Ohio State won the national championship,
the wheels were in motion for Jim Knowles to go
to Penn State. Even during Ohio State's championship celebration at
Ohio Stadium, there was that situation was going on at
the same time as kind of a cloud over the
whole celebration and all because the defense was so good
last year and you know, obviously you're like, man, we're
gonna you know, lose this defensive coordinator, like that's that's
that kind of stinks. You know, that's not good. And
then when Ohio State hired or announced the higher Matt Patricia,
there some hesitation by you know, big groups of this
fan base. You know, people didn't necessarily know what they
were getting because the last thing that most people saw
was Matt Patricia as the head coach of the Detroit Lions,
you know, which, yeah, it wasn't great. He was far
more successful as the defensive coordinator with the New England Patriots,
where he won Super Bowls in that role. So so
it's been cool to see how much Matt has really
enjoyed college football. It's the first time he's back into
this in like twenty years or more. You know, it's
where he started, right, So it's been kind of cool
for him to reconnect with younger guys. You know, I'll
tell you on Wednesdays throughout the season, you know, we
come over and talk to the players after practice and
you know, some of the guys hang out, some of
the guys get extra work that sort of thing, you know,
while we're doing interviews and all that. But Matt routinely
is just hanging out either coaching guys, chatting with guys,
or he's just sitting the waiting for somebody to come
up and talk to him. Could be you know, somebody
in the media or whatever. Like like, this is a
guy who really enjoys what he's doing. He's not in
a rush to get somewhere, you know, that sort of thing.
Like he really enjoys the personal side of it. So
it's been really fun to watch he's listen. He has
great relationships with all of these guys on the defense.
And let me tell you his h his experience, you know,
throughout his career of you know, having some you know,
spending time on the offensive side as well, you know,
and also remember head coach of the Lions, right, So
I mean, obviously he's involved in all of it. Like
he's helping out Ohio State's offensive lineman as well. I mean,
this isn't he is the defensive coordinator, but there's times
where you know, he's helping out folks on the other
side of the ball. So he's had a great impact
on this on this team.
Speaker 2: Yeah he is. He's been fantastic, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: So this Saturday, we have the Miami versus Texas A
and M game winner heads to Arlington to face Ohio
State in the Cotton Bowl.
Speaker 2: Uh, Joe, what what do you think think of that matchup?
Speaker 1: If if you're Ohio State, do you have a preference
of which team you you rather face here?
Speaker 2: I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: I know that Ohio State's already got a headstart on
tickets because they've known that they're in this game, but
I still can't imagine it being ideal of playing Texas
A and M and in Arlington, if that were to
present itself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the the overall feel. I mean,
it is a It's a real debate. Uh. These two
teams are, you know, pretty similar outside of the fact
that the quarterbacks you know, play differently. You know, back
is obviously more of a pocket guy. But yeah, I
think it kind of comes down to that. You know,
it was a big win last year beating Texas in
Texas in the Cotton Bowl. Uh, to sort of go
through that again. You know, certainly they can do it,
no question about it, But I don't think that's exactly
how you would draw it up. I think it'd be
nice to play Florida in Texas instead, But uh, you know,
two talented football teams. You know, it feels like they're
pretty similar. So in terms of the and that part
of it, I don't really know if there's a you know,
a big difference between these two teams. And personally I
feel good about Ohio State's chances against either team. Yeah.
I mean, we've seen some issues with Texas A and
M's defense as of late, so maybe there'll be some
opportunity there, But I don't know either way, feel pretty
good about it. I think this Ohio State team is
gonna be focused, They're gonna be dialed in, and they're
gonna be ready to go.
Speaker 2: We're talking about Indiana earlier.
Speaker 1: With Ohio State, how do you think they compare to
the other teams in this playoff? When we talk you know, Georgia,
who they could be facing in the Fiesta Bowl potentially
or maybe even if it's a Texas Tech International Championship game, how.
Speaker 2: Do you think they compare with with this playoff field?
Do you think they're as good as anybody right now in.
Speaker 5: Terms of Ohio State. Yeah, no, for sure. I feel
like Ohio State is in the conversation with you know,
with Georgia, with Indiana. You know, we'll see what happens
with Alabama, Oklahom. You know, Texas Tech is interesting. But yeah,
I mean, I think Ohio State has as good of
a chance as anybody of winning this thing. You know,
I think they learned some things about themselves in that
Indiana game. The Hoosiers were great at the line of scrimmage. Like,
I mean, it was really impressive. All High State played
Indiana last year at the Shoe. That was not the deal.
Ohigo State controlled the line of scrimmage in this game,
it was. It was a much more even situation, and
at times Indiana certainly won with those five sacks as well.
So I think that you know, the buck, guys, you're
using this time to go to work to become a
better football team, going to work on the things that
they need to do, because you're gonna deal with obviously
three extremely good football teams if they're able to win
these first two games, and and it's just you know,
it's a different deal, man, It's it's a grind at
this point. But they went through it last year. They
have valuable experience from that, and you know, I think
that'll play a role when it all when all picks
off for the buck guys on the thirty first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to see how it all unfolds. Joe,
You're gonna be covering it all. You know, you're headed
to Arlington here in a couple of weeks for New
Year's Eve and then potentially the Fiesta Bowl in the
National Championship.
Speaker 2: Tell me about this. How excited are you for this run?
You've been with this.
Speaker 1: Team all year long now now we're finally coming to
a crescendo here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, no doubt about it. It's been a
weird year for Ohio State because there was so much
excitement in this offseason leading up to the Week one
game against Texas, which at the time was you know,
a massive top five game, and then they won obviously,
and in the moment it felt like a really big
win because you know, they replaced eight starters on defense,
they have a new quarterback. You know, you didn't know
what was gonna happen. I mean, you want to talk
about going to into a game and not really knowing
what you have and then you know, playing a top
level team who's going to expose you in some ways.
You know, that was a really big win in the moment. Obviously,
the season we're on, Texas wasn't exactly what we all
thought they were. And then at the same time, Penn
State started to fall apart late September in October, so
Ohio State, you know, the second biggest game, excuse me,
second biggest game on the schedule on November first was
against Penn State. So then you get to November first,
you know, the Texas game wasn't what you thought it was,
Penn State not what you think they are. You know,
they win the game handily, and then it's like, all right,
the next the next big game is Michigan, you know,
and Michigan, you know, didn't have a great year. I mean,
granted they were fighting for their playoff lives in that
game the final game of the regular season, but you know,
but Michigan, you know, wasn't exactly a contend or to
win a national championship. So really the first time that
Ohio State you know, played a top five team was
that Indiana game. So we've been kind of waiting, you know,
for these massive games. We thought we kind of had
one of them in Texas, didn't really turn out that way.
So yeah, now it's finally going to get real, and
I mean it's gonna be cool. I'm really curious to
see if this team and go back to back. Ohio
State has never had a team go back to back.
The loss against Indiana could, you know, be a blessing
in some ways, because you know, they won the four
straight games in the playoff last year. You know, ran
the table through the twelve games of the regular season,
so that's sixteen games straight, sixteen game winning street going
in that Big Ten championship. If you beat Indiana, that's
seventeenth straight. And then you're trying you get to the playoff,
and now you're trying to win an eighteenth, nineteenth, and
twentieth straight game to win back to back national championships.
So you're talking about winning of those twenty games, you're
talking about winning twenty seven of those twenty games, Yeah,
are playoff games. So I mean it's just that's a tall,
tall task, you know, tall task. So you know, in
a way, this loss against Indiana might help them. We'll
find out.
Speaker 1: I know that two of their most recent you know
follows when we talk about biggest threats in the Big ten,
you know, in the last couple of years, you would
say Indiana and Oregon, But traditionally speaking of course, Michigan
and Penn State and them going through their turmoil and
their coaching changes. Penn State's got Matt Campbell now, which
I do think was a good hire. Michigan trying to
figure out their situation post your own more this is
for buck guys.
Speaker 2: I know, they got their own good thing going off,
you know, the playoffs ahead. But is there some snickering?
Speaker 1: Is there kind of some laughter going on of seeing
some of the biggest rivals falter this way and going
through these changes here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. You know, when it
comes to Penn State, you know, Ohio State Faith look
at that as a rivalry, a lot of respect for
what that program is.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: James Franklin, you know, obviously can be a controversial figure.
So you know, I think that amps up the rivalry
part of it. Obviously, great coach, you know, one great
team after another. So yeah, the fact that they kind
of struggled, I think, you know, there's a certainly a
group of Ohio State fans who kind of enjoyed that
a bit. It's interesting. Matt Campbell's from Ohio, played college
football Mount Union, you know, Division three powerhouse when he
was there, so you know, it's gonna be interesting to
see how that plays out. He was a head coach
at Toledo before Iowa State, so you know, he's an
Ohio guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think the reason he wanted the job is it'll
be closer to family than come see him play more
than head not to ames, so so that's kind of neat.
So yeah, I don't think the bad blood is going
to be there. I mean, you know, Penn State takes
pride in being unrivaled, you know, and and I you
think Ohio State fans like, come on, man, we're like
we're rivals, right, And I think that you know, Ohio
State's dominated the series against Penn State in the Big Ten,
so maybe Penn State folks have you know, kind of
had enough of it when the Big Ten redid the
schedules the last a few years ago, you know, with
the new teams and all that came in, you know,
they did set aside those rivalry games, you know, kind
of like the SEC did you set aside some of
those big time games, and Penn State's the only team
in the Big Ten that doesn't have a scheduled rival,
a team that they will play year in and year out,
which is kind of interesting. So, you know, from an
Ohio State perspective, we all enjoyed that game and that
won't be happening every single year anymore.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: In terms of Michigan, which is a totally different anngle, yeah,
I mean there's so much bad blood. It's it from
from the Ohio perspective. It's a good versus evil situation
that all came to light, even more so at the
Connor Stallions, you know, situation with them illegally stealing signs
versus doing it you know, the Brent Venables way legally
on the so yes, you know, so you know, I
mean Michigan's had so many coaches arrested, suspended. I mean
it's been a heck of a run since you know,
Jim Harbaugh took over that program and they kind of
found themselves in enoughing to lose situation at least. This
is you know, from the Ohigo perspective. You know Harbaugh,
you know, there weren't a lot of people out there
looking to hire them five years ago, right, and and
they needed to get that thing turned around, and it
was kind of at an all cost situation at least
that's how it looks now. So yeah, I mean obviously
Charon Moore, you know, came from you know, the Harbaugh's
staff and uh, you know, I mean what happened here
in the last couple of weeks is absolutely shocking and
you know, nobody saw anything like that happening. But you know,
and it's sad too. I can't I'm totally gets distracted. Sorry, Dave,
my coworker. Uh So, yeah, anyways, back to Sharon, I mean,
obviously that's beyond football, and there's families involved and you know,
and things like that, children, so it you know, it's
it's a far more serious situation. But in terms of
the football situation, yeah, I mean, nobody down here I
think is uh, you know, has a soft spot for
Michigan because you know, just i mean just because of
you know, it just at times it hasn't felt like
it's been played, you know, evenly. You know, when it
comes to the sign stealings stuff they didn't play during
the COVID year. It was Michigan, who you know, had
COVID and you know, canceled that game. There was no
question that Ohio State was gonna win that one. So
you know, Michigan's had the upper hand for four years.
Ohio State finally, you know, jump back on top here
a month ago. But I think Ohio State fans aren't
satisfied with that one win. I think they feel like
the Buckeyes need to go on on a long winning
streak against those guys to to kind of get things
back to where they feel like they should be. So, yeah,
it's gonna be interesting to see who they hire. I know,
you know, the President came out and said that, you know, ethics,
morals like how we do things are going to be
a priority as we identify a head coach. You know,
So you know, what does that mean in terms of
you know, that's winning off the field. What does it
mean in terms of winning on the field? You know,
is can they hire somebody who can do both? So
I think people here in Columbus are very interested in that.
In that search in ann Arbor, Yeah.
Speaker 2: We'll see how chicks out Joe.
Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, plug away, tell people
where they can find.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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buck guy football talk, you know, it's pretty much what
we do.
Speaker 2: Well. Yes, Joe, great stuff, Glad we got the champs.
Speaker 1: Catch up my friend, enjoy the playoffs and I'm sure
we'll talk in down the line.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good to see you, Good to talk to you. You
have a great one.