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<v Speaker 1>And we are kind of seeing them move up right

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<v Speaker 1>now in tandem with the key stakeholders.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's actually the massive wallet's.

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<v Speaker 1>The ten k or more that are dumping to everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else right now, so everyone else is trying to accumulate more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still a little worried about this tiny little drop,

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<v Speaker 1>but the bigger worry is that retailers are getting a

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<v Speaker 1>little greedy here believing that this is the dip to buy.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, everybody, welcome into the Thinking Crypto Podcast. Joining me

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<v Speaker 3>is Brian from Sentiment, and as you all know, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to do a deep dive into the metrics around bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 3>xrpe theorem, Solana and much more to see what is

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<v Speaker 3>happening in this bull market and what may happen next. Brian,

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<v Speaker 3>good to see you. Happy Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Friday to you, Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Trump and Elon show this week and all

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<v Speaker 1>eyes are on them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny that that popped up, and of course

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to affect markets. The world's witches man, the

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<v Speaker 3>world's most powerful man battling. The topic is of course

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<v Speaker 3>on the debt bill, or I shouldn't say the debt bill,

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<v Speaker 3>even though that's what it is the spending bill, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's going to have an effect on markets. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's crazy. I don't know if this is

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<v Speaker 3>all a show or is legit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think everyone has their own opinions. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are just spamming popcorn emojis because the drama

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<v Speaker 1>is too good to be true for them, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>how people feel about Trump and or Elon Musk. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you see two of the most powerful people in

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<v Speaker 1>the world suddenly engaging in a very public he said,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, it causes havoc and it creates chaos that

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<v Speaker 1>makes markets even more unpredictable, on top of all of

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<v Speaker 1>the tariff stuff that still.

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<v Speaker 2>Exists and has existed the last two months.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is such a weird period, man. I am

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<v Speaker 3>trying to, like, in principle, I understand them. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I viewed things from a macro perspective, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>like leaving sleep. I'm not nervous or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's also like, God, this is so annoying, like

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<v Speaker 3>all these things that are high happening. The tariff uncertainty

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<v Speaker 3>pushed the natural correction out of Q four way down

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<v Speaker 3>than we expected. We v shaped recovered out of it,

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<v Speaker 3>then you have this happen and then big one's pulling back.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's yeah, it's crazy, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would at least argue that this is

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<v Speaker 1>not nearly on the same level as like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the tariff announcement or the even like the drama with

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<v Speaker 1>Jerome Powell. Right, even though Elon Musk is much more

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<v Speaker 1>well known and more powerful in a different way than

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<v Speaker 1>Jerome Powell. Jerome Powell directly has to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>interest rates of the most prominent country in the world

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<v Speaker 1>to most people, and that's still a much bigger deal

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<v Speaker 1>than you know. However, Petty, you think this trauma is

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<v Speaker 1>between Elon and Trump, it's more of a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the main sidekick that everyone knew was in Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>corner is no longer in his corner, and what's that

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<v Speaker 1>going to do? But no one quite knows exactly. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like a bit of a shakeup. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's how most people are interpreting it right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. And look, I've been looking at the

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<v Speaker 3>bitcoin chart and on the daily like, just as an

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<v Speaker 3>example of just one metric, but the RSI has been

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<v Speaker 3>in a down trend so expected from sort of pull

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<v Speaker 3>back on the price, but you know, with something like

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<v Speaker 3>this happening, be a catalyst to drive even further down

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<v Speaker 3>than we anticipated. Right, So maybe on that note, we

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<v Speaker 3>could start looking at some bitcoin metrics and what you're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing as far as sentiment. Are people turning bearers? Are

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<v Speaker 3>they getting fearful? I see some calls out there at

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<v Speaker 3>the top is in, the top is in, And it's

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<v Speaker 3>just interesting how people are reacting to all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've talked about the how our feeds look

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<v Speaker 1>versus the reality when we scrape all of the data altogether,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's actually not that bad in either direction. People

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<v Speaker 1>are pretty neutral right now. Granted this is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Look.

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<v Speaker 1>If I reduce it to like four hours, we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more noise. And there is a pretty big

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<v Speaker 1>spike right here. However, it doesn't look excuse me, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like there's anything super euphoria related. The last

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<v Speaker 1>time we really saw that was you know, arguably around

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<v Speaker 1>May thirteenth, or after the real rebound around April twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth. So I don't see people being too swayed.

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<v Speaker 2>By this drama either. Way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, if anything, there was a bit of fear

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<v Speaker 1>after the price dropped and people were attributing it to

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<v Speaker 1>the Elon and Trump breakup alleged, But I don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's going to cause nearly as much chaos

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<v Speaker 1>as as some people have expressed on social media.

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<v Speaker 3>What are the whales doing? Because I saw on one

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<v Speaker 3>of the awn chain metric here from Santaman a big

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<v Speaker 3>spike in whale accumulation while it's with ten or more bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 3>which is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is specifically the ten to ten thousand BTC line,

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<v Speaker 1>which is more or less the key stakeholder tier in

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<v Speaker 1>modern days with bitcoin app anywhere between like fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>whatever one twelve k the all time high. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the tier that tends to move markets most prominently. And

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<v Speaker 1>they went on a hell of a run between May

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixth up until June third, where they accumulated just

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<v Speaker 1>about one hundred thousand btc during that week, and then

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<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of days they dropped about a

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of that twenty six point six k.

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<v Speaker 2>So still a good sign.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you talk about the last six months and

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<v Speaker 1>just draw a line like this, they're moving in the

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<v Speaker 1>right direction. Meanwhile, what we are hoping to see is

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<v Speaker 1>a little more dumping from the small retail traders, because

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<v Speaker 1>just as much as this is a good correlative indicator,

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<v Speaker 1>the to one BTC wallets are a good counter indicator,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are kind of seeing them move up right

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<v Speaker 1>now in tandem with the key stakeholders. So it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>the massive wallets, the ten k or more that are

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<v Speaker 1>dumping to everybody else right now, so everyone else is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to accumulate more. I'm still a little worried about

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<v Speaker 1>this tiny little drop, but the bigger worry is that

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<v Speaker 1>retailers are getting a little greedy here believing.

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<v Speaker 2>That this is the dip to buy.

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<v Speaker 1>And historically, if the retailers believe this is the dip

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<v Speaker 1>to buy, it's usually the next one when they're a

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<v Speaker 1>little more jaded and afraid to buy the dip that

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<v Speaker 1>is the actual dip to buy.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, so I feel like we have to give this

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<v Speaker 3>like another week to see which direction both go in. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hate to give it kind of a wait

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<v Speaker 1>and see, because you know, we all want definitive data.

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<v Speaker 1>But this truly is such a weird time where you

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<v Speaker 1>know that ten to twenty percent chance that all of

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<v Speaker 1>this Elon and Trump stuff is orchestrated. You know, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has their own opinions that could just cause so much

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<v Speaker 1>confusion and overreactions, and you know, for all we know,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is waiting to see how people react and then

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<v Speaker 1>makes a big announcement on Monday. You know, we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>that plenty of times with the tariffs the last few months.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just it's so difficult to tell based on

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<v Speaker 1>on chain metrics, but we can at least say that

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<v Speaker 1>social wise, like all eyes are on this Elon and

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<v Speaker 1>Trump drama. We have this new trending story STAB that's

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<v Speaker 1>in beta and it's all about the Epstein file stuff

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<v Speaker 1>because Elon came out and told everyone that Trump was

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<v Speaker 1>on the list after their their fallout happened, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the beef between Musk and Trump. You're in third so

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<v Speaker 1>you can see just how much, you know, people are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it, even Doge because Elon mentioned that a

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<v Speaker 1>third party could be created in the US named after Doge.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever your opinion is on that, there's there's just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of talk that all seems to be circulated around that,

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<v Speaker 1>and a little bit with the Circle IPO because it

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<v Speaker 1>came out of the gates super hot with a one

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<v Speaker 1>the stock market.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, for sure. That was a you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>days started off with the good news of that ray

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody's oh man, this is awesome. Yeah, another crypto

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<v Speaker 3>company goes public, and then you had the Elon Trump

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<v Speaker 3>drama just overshadow everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the metrics we looked at sign was the MVRV.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm not mistaken around bitcoin, I'm curious what that

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<v Speaker 3>looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's look at how average traders are doing right now,

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<v Speaker 1>because in a zero sum game, as we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>in previous calls, Tony, you want to see the mvrvs

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<v Speaker 1>mostly in negative range where traders are not profiting. Therefore

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be buying in at less risk. But right now

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<v Speaker 1>the thirty day is sitting ride at about zero, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's about as neutral as you can get. Meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 1>long term it has fallen a bit. It's at plus

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen point nine percent now after being as high as

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<v Speaker 1>plus twenty seven back on May twenty first, So the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of weeks has brought it back down to

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<v Speaker 1>earth a little bit. I'd still love to see both

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<v Speaker 1>of these lines below zero as a great sign that

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<v Speaker 1>we are bottoming and it's a perfect time to buy,

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<v Speaker 1>just like we saw when it was max fheartime on

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<v Speaker 1>April ninth or so eighth, whatever your time zone was.

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<v Speaker 1>So overall it's it's neutral to just slightly concerning, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on the timeframe you want to invest.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes sense. Yeah, it seems like we got to

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<v Speaker 3>give some more time for all of these things. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it's a week or two weeks to look back and

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<v Speaker 3>see where things find there this definitive position, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>And then one of the other things we looked at

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<v Speaker 3>was ETF inflows and things along those lines. I think

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<v Speaker 3>I saw reports that there has been outflows.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so three or four out of the last six

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<v Speaker 1>stock market days, not including the day we're recording Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing more money moving out than moving in. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually some pretty sizable outflow data here. The

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<v Speaker 1>dates on my chart are actually one day delayed, so

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm highlighting this May twenty eighth, candle, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>made twenty ninth data, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>But either way, you look.

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<v Speaker 1>At May twenty ninth, three hundred and forty point seven

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars moving out in net. The next day, May thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>just about six hundred million dollars moving out, the next

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<v Speaker 1>day to sixty seven point five million moving out. That's

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<v Speaker 1>June second, and then yesterday, June fifth, two hundred sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and sixty one point seven million dollars moving out.

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<v Speaker 1>The one inflow day was June first, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>about three sixty eight million, and then a very small

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<v Speaker 1>one the next day, June second, which was I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>June fourth, which was eighty seven million dollars. Now a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more outflow than inflow. That's definitely a net of

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<v Speaker 1>over a billion dollars over the last week or so.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting. So if we're looking at some of the historical patterns,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like we may have room to go down

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<v Speaker 3>a bit more for Bitcoin before we find some sort

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as you know, we don't take to finive stances

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<v Speaker 1>with a little more concern based on where we're at.

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<v Speaker 1>But that said, you know, we're already retraced, give or

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<v Speaker 1>take about ten percent from our all time high, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>eleven percent. And when that happens, you're in a position

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to just try to see if you

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's there's argument that we could see that

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty big surprise seeing especially this level coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>a cool down period here and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>the catalysts. You know, sometimes there's a saying that show

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<v Speaker 3>me the charts and I'll tell you the news. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>prices going down. You got negative news, but then it

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, the news turns positive. It's it's

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<v Speaker 3>interesting how all that works.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, markets are constantly designed to maximally punish

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<v Speaker 1>the emotional traders out there. So right now, as we saw,

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<v Speaker 1>there's kind of a mixed reaction. Traders are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>of the country rather than just personal attacks. Trump comes

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the kinds of things that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>swing emotions all over again, and we get a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>another wave.

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<v Speaker 2>Of super greed or super fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially if that news comes out and then you see

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is positive news.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they all think it's positive, that's when it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a negative story. I know it sounds weird, but

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, yeah, crazy stuff, man. What do you see

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<v Speaker 3>on the tether supply side of things? And I know

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<v Speaker 3>that's something we've monitored, the supply and exchanges.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I'll do the overall supplying exchanges here, and

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll just look at the last year. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty pretty jarring. Actually, the amount of supply and exchanges

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<v Speaker 1>has fallen since its peak just about four months ago

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<v Speaker 1>February fifth. We've seen about ten point two to one

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars worth of teather moving off of exchanges and

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<v Speaker 1>about thirteen point nine to five percent of all tether

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<v Speaker 1>moving off exchanges. So this is this is indicative that

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<v Speaker 1>there's just less buying power on exchanges at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and it it the trend really has not stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>And would you be able to zoom out on that chart,

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<v Speaker 3>like let's say for the past year.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this actually is the last year I can

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<v Speaker 1>go way back to, like twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, yeah, because I'm curious, like what's the pattern here?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's most moved up, especially in late twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this was right before Trump got elected, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it just surged all the way up until as inauguration,

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<v Speaker 1>even a couple of weeks after as where it topped

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<v Speaker 1>and then it just completely reversed course. But yeah, overall

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<v Speaker 1>over the last five years, I mean, we saw one

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<v Speaker 1>point two billion dollars worth of teather on exchanges the

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<v Speaker 1>first week of June of twenty twenty five years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's thirty four point two billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's just insane, an increase of twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty seven percent more tether on exchanges.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, even with this drop.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping to see that that number V shape recovery

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<v Speaker 3>happened where it's at right now, because if it keeps

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<v Speaker 3>going down, that's not a good sign. If I'm looking

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<v Speaker 3>at this chart and I see you know how it

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<v Speaker 3>was declining in December twenty two two, and we know

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<v Speaker 3>that was the peak of the bear market with FTX

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<v Speaker 3>and much more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it's all relative. I don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>is the most correlative metric in the world, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can see that it's a bit lagging. So like if

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<v Speaker 1>prices start to drop, people wait and then react to

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<v Speaker 1>the price dropping and start taking money off there and

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<v Speaker 1>then price is reverse and then people react to that

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<v Speaker 1>and start bringing money back on exchanges.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like.

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<v Speaker 1>An emotional metric in a way, where people see what

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<v Speaker 1>direction markets are going and then decide whether they want

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<v Speaker 1>more money on exchanges to buy or to take money

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<v Speaker 1>off because they don't intend on buying. So all it

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<v Speaker 1>takes is, you know, another tease at an all time high,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll likely see you know, tether start to come

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<v Speaker 1>right on back because people want to get in on

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<v Speaker 1>the action and pray for one twenty and beyond.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh sure, yeah, that definitely makes sense. See I love

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<v Speaker 3>looking at all these different data sets and even when

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<v Speaker 3>it challenges like your thesis, right, Like I have a

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<v Speaker 3>certain thesis based on certain metrics and signals, not emotions,

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<v Speaker 3>But then you look at something like this and you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>h did I miss something right or this is something

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<v Speaker 3>I really need to take into consideration and a way

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<v Speaker 3>against the other signals. So very very insightful. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 3>said Tony, how about we take a look at some

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<v Speaker 3>all coins. We could maybe start with Etherorem that had

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of a run a big, nice, big run up,

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<v Speaker 3>but then you know it took some of it back, well,

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<v Speaker 3>not much taking it back. It's consolidating, you know. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>the market is down right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So there have been a few weird anomalies going on

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<v Speaker 1>with your theorem as of late. For one, it just

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<v Speaker 1>had its biggest circulation spike in about four months, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was right as prices started to go down. I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people were picking up on this

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<v Speaker 1>was related to bitcoin, but I think it affected all

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<v Speaker 1>markets a little bit. But bitfinex apparently made some big moves.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't confirm for sure. I know this biggest transaction

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<v Speaker 1>that happened on June second, in this post we put

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<v Speaker 1>out yesterday was related to bitfinex. We decided to play

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<v Speaker 1>it safe and just call them all unknown while it's

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<v Speaker 1>but the actual Bitcoin explorer refers to this as a

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<v Speaker 1>bitfinx address moving just a ridiculous amount of bitcoin off.

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<v Speaker 2>Of their exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think there are rumors that these were

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<v Speaker 1>also bitfin x. So three of the largest transactions over

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<v Speaker 1>the the largest over the past month were all at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the month, and this correlated with some

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<v Speaker 1>weird stuff with ethereum as well, where there was a

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<v Speaker 1>massive circulation spike. We even see funding rate moving down

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. First time we're or at least temporarily,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw more shorts than longs, so people are starting

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<v Speaker 1>to show a little bit of doubt. There not much

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<v Speaker 1>whale activity. We're also keeping an eye on mean dollar

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<v Speaker 1>invested age to see if some dormant coin movement starts

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<v Speaker 1>to come back on the network. There has been a

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<v Speaker 1>drop over the past three weeks. We're hoping for more

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<v Speaker 1>because a big drop in mean dollar invested age would

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<v Speaker 1>indicate that the network's getting younger. Therefore, more tokens are

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<v Speaker 1>coming back into circulation and can quickly cause utility to

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<v Speaker 2>It's at least flat now after this long stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see how it was just going up and

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<v Speaker 1>up and up and up, and then finally on this

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<v Speaker 1>huge rally in early May, dormant coins began to move

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<v Speaker 1>tried to sparkable rally, but I think it was a

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting. I know recently there were some very big

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<v Speaker 3>news with ether and being adopted as a treasury reserve asset,

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<v Speaker 3>where one company I believe it's going to buy four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and something million dollars they potentially can stake some.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Lubin got added to the board and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously we had the price spike as well, so well,

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<v Speaker 3>guess we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I saw some hype about that too.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw the biggest spike in discussion about it on

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty seventh. Another big spike just a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>days ago Wednesday. So people are paying attention to that news,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it would have an undoubted positive result

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<v Speaker 1>if it goes through and becomes, you know, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Treasury for sure. Let's look at XRP. What's happening on

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<v Speaker 3>that front.

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<v Speaker 1>So XRP has been kind of just treading water a

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<v Speaker 1>little like Ethereum lately, where it retraced a bit. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's had a longer retrace.

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<v Speaker 2>I should say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's down about fifteen percent since it's high about three

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago May thirteenth. So I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people are itching for the third largest non stable coin

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<v Speaker 1>to make another move. It has been getting some circulation

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<v Speaker 1>spikes but not much else. The active addresses that you

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<v Speaker 1>can see here in Orange, we're spiking a lot in March,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've calmed down heavily and the coins honestly really

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<v Speaker 1>struggled since Trump's inauguration. Roughly it's down about it's lost

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<v Speaker 1>about a third of its market cap thirty three point

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<v Speaker 1>six percent. I still, you know, like it long term,

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<v Speaker 1>as I know many others who watch your shows do.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is a good sign that the MVRV here

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<v Speaker 1>is below zero percent. The thirty day average traders are

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<v Speaker 1>actually down four point eight percent. So if you're buying

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<v Speaker 1>in now, you're doing so while the average trader is

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<v Speaker 1>actually in pain over that short term time span. So

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<v Speaker 1>you can keep that in mind if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>take the risk of, you know, catching a fallen falling knife,

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<v Speaker 1>as they say.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, it's it's been really weird for all coins.

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<v Speaker 3>I think as usual, bitcoin leads the market and all

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<v Speaker 3>coins swallow, But specifically with XRP, it was such a

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<v Speaker 3>strong narrative against her getting kicked out, ripplewing the lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 3>Trump being pro crypto, that it almost took it to

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<v Speaker 3>this not necessarily a ultimate top, but it overshot maybe

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<v Speaker 3>what it would have potentially normally did or I would

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<v Speaker 3>have done. And then the cool now is happening now

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<v Speaker 3>and it's going to be a big bit extended because

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<v Speaker 1>Four, right, it's since it was so targeted by the SEC.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the biggest beneficiary when Crypto essentially won over

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<v Speaker 1>the SEC and Gensler was booted from his position because

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<v Speaker 1>it was the most associated with the asset that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to be torn down. So it had

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<v Speaker 1>its time where it just really saw a lot of

426
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<v Speaker 1>people rushing in to be a part of it, because

427
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:06.319
<v Speaker 1>the theory then was it had been suppressed due to

428
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<v Speaker 1>Gensler and all of the lawsuit drama that was happening.

429
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<v Speaker 1>So once that curtain was lifted, people jumped in, pushed

430
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<v Speaker 1>up the prices a lot, and the pendulum kind of

431
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<v Speaker 1>sway the other way where it I think a lot

432
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>of people refer to it now as by the rumor

433
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:28.400
<v Speaker 1>sell the news effect when the lawsuit was essentially dropped.

434
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.000
<v Speaker 1>But now you know, we've seen both directions of the pendulum.

435
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Prices of retraced by a third, and there's an argument

436
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.759
<v Speaker 1>that is actually pretty true to it. It's where it

437
00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.279
<v Speaker 1>should be relative to the rest of Crypto. Now, it's

438
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<v Speaker 1>still if you go back what three years, it's still

439
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<v Speaker 1>done pretty well.

440
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<v Speaker 2>Because of that huge.

441
00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Surge from November through January when it just about six

442
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>x I believe, and you know, now the question is

443
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.000
<v Speaker 1>can it maintain that two dollars level at least and

444
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:07.880
<v Speaker 1>start to crawl back up to three and beyond.

445
00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it can.

446
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:13.279
<v Speaker 1>It's got a huge community of believers, people that I've

447
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:16.880
<v Speaker 1>talked to, that I've done videos with on sentiment that

448
00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:22.759
<v Speaker 1>that are very very strongly in xrp's corner. So many

449
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.039
<v Speaker 1>smart people seem to see XRP as a great long

450
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:28.839
<v Speaker 1>term investment in store value.

451
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:32.359
<v Speaker 2>So take that for what you will. Yeah, for sure.

452
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.839
<v Speaker 3>And even though it had this pullback, the charts honestly

453
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.279
<v Speaker 3>don't look horrible, and I'm talking like trading View and

454
00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.720
<v Speaker 3>things like that, compared to other all coins that have

455
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:46.279
<v Speaker 3>retraced significantly. So while it has given back some of

456
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.359
<v Speaker 3>those gains, its chart overall still looks very bullish and

457
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.000
<v Speaker 3>it almost seems to have taken how should I put

458
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:56.160
<v Speaker 3>it in Like late twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four,

459
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:58.279
<v Speaker 3>Solana was that all coin that was getting so much

460
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.319
<v Speaker 3>liquidity it broke its all time high. You know, it

461
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:05.119
<v Speaker 3>was moving along with Bitcoin that kind of flipped to XRP. Now,

462
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:07.839
<v Speaker 3>don't get me wrong. Doesn't mean XRP will continue in

463
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.359
<v Speaker 3>that's driver's sept. It could move to Suite or Ethereum.

464
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but overall it's chart doesn't look horrible.

465
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<v Speaker 2>I would agree with you.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, these are all very large top cap

467
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>assets you're referring to, so they all kind of take

468
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:27.599
<v Speaker 1>their moment in the sun. Ethereum kind of took like

469
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a three year time out to the point where people

470
00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.039
<v Speaker 1>were laughing at the fact that it was still the

471
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.839
<v Speaker 1>number two market cap asset, and then it finally was

472
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.279
<v Speaker 1>brought to life about a month ago and had its

473
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:42.319
<v Speaker 1>own time in the sun, not to the extent that

474
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>XRP did at the end of twenty twenty four, but

475
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>it at least started to gain on Bitcoin for the

476
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>first time in a long time. So, yeah, they all

477
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of rotate in and out based on a little

478
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.880
<v Speaker 1>bit of math and a little bit of news.

479
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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure. But let's take a look at Solana.

480
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's happening on that front. I haven't

481
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 3>heard much in the news about Solana, but curious how

482
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 3>it's performing.

483
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Solana's had a lot of social activity and

484
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>it's I think we talked about it a few months ago,

485
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.680
<v Speaker 1>but there does seem to be a lot of bot

486
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>activity for whatever reason, and maybe that's due to the

487
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>fact that it has such a big meme ecosystem these days.

488
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Sure there are a lot of people trying to persuade

489
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>other traders to buy the latest you know, Solona, meme coin, Bonk,

490
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.880
<v Speaker 1>trump coin, whatever.

491
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we saw huge social.

492
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Dominance spikes in March and April, they kind of went

493
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 1>away and now it's rising again. I'll take off the

494
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.160
<v Speaker 1>volume so we can just see social dominance. I'll make

495
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>it a different color. Yeah, so it's it's actually getting

496
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 1>like ten percent of all discussions right now, which is

497
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>a ton that's usually about what Ethereum gets. And to me,

498
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.839
<v Speaker 1>they're seem to be a spotlight on it right now.

499
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 1>If I go to our social trends page and we

500
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 1>go to trending words all right, sorry, trending coins that is,

501
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.039
<v Speaker 1>you'll see just how much of a lead Solana has

502
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>over everything else. So, yeah, look at just how big

503
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:19.599
<v Speaker 1>the sentiment the overall discussion is for Solana compared to

504
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>other coins right now, and it's mostly very positive, which

505
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>isn't the ideal sign you want to see a little

506
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.000
<v Speaker 1>bit of negativity. But the point is it's just getting

507
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 1>a ton of discussion to the point where it's very

508
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 1>likely at least partly related to bot activity, but it

509
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 1>does seem to be related to Solana's token utility, staking returns,

510
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:47.359
<v Speaker 1>swapping options, transaction fees, and tools. There's a lot of

511
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>discussion on Telegram in particular with the trend centers around

512
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>Solana's price, market performance, technical analysis, ecosystem growth, DeFi, and

513
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 1>then ft activities in future network upgrades with optimistic price

514
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:05.039
<v Speaker 1>forecast for twenty twenty five. So it's just there seems

515
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 1>to be a lot of discussion and interest. Take that

516
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.559
<v Speaker 1>for what you will. I'd like to see the bullish

517
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>sentiment that's currently showing from the crowd drop down a

518
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit because people are just a little too optimistic

519
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>about it to justify that whales are going to buy

520
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>and push up prices.

521
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.319
<v Speaker 2>But we will see how it goes.

522
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 3>That's interesting. Even in this market, it still has that

523
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 3>outlook which is interesting.

524
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a weird, weird time for Solana in particular.

525
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>There's just has been some strange behavior socially surrounding that asset.

526
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty five.

527
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and to your point, you know, maybe a lot

528
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.680
<v Speaker 3>of it has to do with the meme coins and

529
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 3>people launching all kinds of crab and pumped out fun

530
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.079
<v Speaker 3>and all that stuff, and that maybe playing out in

531
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 3>the box, the social sentiment and all that.

532
00:29:59.119 --> 00:29:59.839
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting.

533
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious Tony, by the way, before we wrap up,

534
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.599
<v Speaker 1>what do you think about the micro strategy stuff and

535
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>this thing with Stride.

536
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Are you following any of it?

537
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I'm all for companies having a bitcoin corporate treasury,

538
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.680
<v Speaker 3>as long as they do it the right way. And

539
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:18.359
<v Speaker 3>what I mean by that is if they take some

540
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 3>of their cash on their balance sheet and buy some bitcoin,

541
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm totally fine with that, even if they raise a

542
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.079
<v Speaker 3>little bit of debt kind of the micro strategy micro

543
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 3>strategy playbook, that's okay. But I'm worried. I'm putting up

544
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.400
<v Speaker 3>the red flags that I believe Michael Saylor is taking

545
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 3>this to the extreme amount of leverage. And now you

546
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:42.880
<v Speaker 3>have this s SCRD, so he's creating another way to

547
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 3>just pile on the leverage. Here different tranches of leverage,

548
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 3>and I feel like there's gonna be some sort of

549
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.799
<v Speaker 3>blow up. I don't want there to be a blow up,

550
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:52.240
<v Speaker 3>but I'm concerned the amount of leverage. We've seen this

551
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 3>in tradfi, it usually doesn't end well.

552
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's certainly maybe the most polarizing guy in crypto,

553
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 1>if you don't count Trump and Musk because of their

554
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>association with crypto. But his strategy is certainly bold. You know,

555
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>he dropped the word micro fittingly, and I think it's

556
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 1>interesting and extremely what's the word I'm looking for, aggressive

557
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 1>and ambitious. That's the word that I think is showing

558
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.119
<v Speaker 1>just how confident he is in Bitcoin's future. The question

559
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people have is is he over leveraging

560
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.519
<v Speaker 1>so much that there could be a drop that causes

561
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.559
<v Speaker 1>too much of a bump in the road before Bitcoin

562
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:43.319
<v Speaker 1>eventually gets to those million dollar price levels.

563
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:42.839
<v Speaker 2>That they get to one day.

564
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you know anyone who's been liquidated before on

565
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 1>ten x or more kind of leverage. You know, maybe

566
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 1>they they did their ten x when bitcoin was at

567
00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 1>twenty k and they were right, because bitcoin's above one

568
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred k at the time this recording. But if you

569
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>try to get too aggressive on your way up with

570
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 1>your investment, you can lose it all. And that's with

571
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>someone like sailor who owns billions and billions of worth

572
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of bitcoin that can that can create some chaos for

573
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the entire crypto market if for some reason he gets

574
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>liquidated at prices none of us will will ever know

575
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>until it happens.

576
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I'm hoping it works out for him, man,

577
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, because I think it collapsed with you know,

578
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:36.960
<v Speaker 3>anything micro strategy. It's going to be bad for the

579
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.559
<v Speaker 3>entire market. So I don't want that to happen. It's

580
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 3>just I'm looking at it and I'm like, when does

581
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 3>it stop. I understand, you know, you're bullish on bitcoin

582
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 3>and obviously bearish on FIAT, but at a certain point

583
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 3>this thing is all cyclical. There's going to be a

584
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.400
<v Speaker 3>bear market. And if you prop up this thing so

585
00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 3>much with these different stock products and you know, to

586
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 3>buy bigcin and raise all that debt, I just feel

587
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 3>like it just takes something that could make it all collapse.

588
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 2>I agree.

589
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>And Arkham revealed their wallets last week as well, which

590
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>was interesting.

591
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that was the best thing for crypto.

592
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 1>They certainly were diligent about not revealing their wallets, but

593
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>something leaked that caused Arkham to get a hold of them,

594
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>so now it's public information if they're crypto ever moves.

595
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.839
<v Speaker 1>I did a little bit of digging, not enough to

596
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 1>do a research report on it, but I did find

597
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 1>that most of their big wallets just had massive amounts,

598
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>like thousands of bitcoin moving into each one of them

599
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>three four or five years ago and they haven't moved

600
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>ever since. So everything that Sailor says he's doing seems

601
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:52.079
<v Speaker 1>to be true on the surface. But you know, there

602
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.599
<v Speaker 1>are so many different wallets when you're talking about billions

603
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>of dollars, most people don't hold them all in one,

604
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and my strategy certainly has broken them up.

605
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>So I don't I don't know.

606
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 1>I just it's such a unique and interesting saga going

607
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>on there with Sailor and strategy, and there are people

608
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 1>who know more than I do about it. But I'm

609
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.639
<v Speaker 1>always just curious what other you know, crypto experts like

610
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:16.519
<v Speaker 1>yourself are are thinking about it.

611
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and by the way, I don't know if you

612
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 3>saw this, but I had tweeted about it where he

613
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 3>came out and said he doesn't he doesn't believe in

614
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.480
<v Speaker 3>proof of reserves. I'm a I am in total disagreement.

615
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:33.320
<v Speaker 3>I believe this technology and what the ethos a bigcoin

616
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.840
<v Speaker 3>and so forth. I think there should be some sort

617
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 3>of proof of reserves. Okay, if you don't want to

618
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.639
<v Speaker 3>release everything to the public as far as your wall address,

619
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.280
<v Speaker 3>maybe bring in a third party auditor. And Big four

620
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.480
<v Speaker 3>Forma says, hey, they have the bigcoin. They say they do,

621
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.840
<v Speaker 3>it's not paper bitcoin. Then okay, I agree with you there,

622
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 3>but I don't like his stance on I don't believe

623
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 3>in proof of reserves and so forth. And then you had,

624
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.880
<v Speaker 3>like Jack Maler's do to complete opposite, and I shout

625
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.440
<v Speaker 3>it out. Jack Maller's like, uh, I forget his company

626
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 3>is called twenty one. I believe that they formed to

627
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.400
<v Speaker 3>buy bitcoin, and he's like, excuse the proof of reserves.

628
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.079
<v Speaker 3>We have the funds that we say we have, and

629
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:09.639
<v Speaker 3>I believe in that transparency.

630
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's that's a well founded way of

631
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 1>looking at it. It's just yeah, I think people know

632
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>that it's that they have a crap ton of the

633
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.199
<v Speaker 1>bitcoin's overall supply now, And for the most part, maybe

634
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>he's looked at more as a hero than this weird

635
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>goofy guy who's just gambling, making the ultimate gamble experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I do think that people are, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when prices go down, they start to turn.

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<v Speaker 2>On him a little bit and they talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>he's a little too leveraged.

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<v Speaker 1>This is scary, what's going to happen if you're liquidated.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's like the ultimate meter for people as to

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<v Speaker 1>whether markets are moving up or down.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's going up, he's a hero.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's going down, he's He's like a crazy komakazi

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<v Speaker 1>gambler that could recavoc at any moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I personally, I'm not being that. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>was happy that he was the first mover and he

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<v Speaker 3>you know, took He was certainly brave of him and

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<v Speaker 3>innovative of him to do that, and certainly happy. But

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<v Speaker 3>he never used him as a benchmark. I know a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of Big oneers sometimes they retreat him like this god,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, dude, like, don't do that. Okay, the

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<v Speaker 3>big point, Big One doesn't need somebody like that in

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<v Speaker 3>a sense. Right, as an asset, it is amazing and

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<v Speaker 3>we can all participate, but we don't need to be

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<v Speaker 3>like kissing the sailor's ass and keep buying more Big One,

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<v Speaker 3>Like no, Right, And then the thing that worried me though,

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<v Speaker 3>is just the amount of debt. As I said, so

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<v Speaker 3>he kept going, kept going. He's like he's become like

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<v Speaker 3>a bitcoin addic, like I need to keep buying. I

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<v Speaker 3>need to keep buying. But it's dangerous, man, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>not like he's just using the cash on the balance sheet.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going out there raising debt and now he's doing

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<v Speaker 3>all these different things and that has me a bit

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<v Speaker 3>concern man. But you know, like I said, knock on wood,

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<v Speaker 3>everything goes well, nothing collapses, because that'll be bad. And

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<v Speaker 3>there's no major blow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, let's just sope for a little short

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<v Speaker 1>term rebound between now and the next time we speak.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what most people watching this video are

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<v Speaker 1>hoping for, and we're right there with you. We're happy

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<v Speaker 1>when crypto is moving up. It's good for our businesses

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<v Speaker 1>and it's good for you know, our overall content when

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<v Speaker 1>we can celebrate more and more games.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get back on track soon, Brian.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, the last few episodes, when we've wrapped it up,

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<v Speaker 3>I kept saying, you know, hopefully by next time we

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<v Speaker 3>see each other, bitcoin's pumping. I'm gonna I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite. I'm doing the inverse, Brian. I hope the

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<v Speaker 3>next time you know we chat, biitcoin is down.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that you're you're admitting that you're the counter indicator.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's best to just, you know, just like alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>looks anonymous. You know, the first step is admitting that

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<v Speaker 1>you're the reason that prices are going to the opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a bear, and I hope the price crashes.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. You guys should totally believe him.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Brian, good stuff man, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Tony, good chatting
