WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:09.800 Hello, everybody, Welcome to another exciting episode of JavaScript Jabber. 2 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:12.199 I am Steve Edwards, the host with the face for 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:14.359 radio and the voice for being a mine. But I'm 4 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:17.719 still your host, at least for today. Chuck has out 5 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:21.320 had some work to do. Dan he is on vacation, 6 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:25.199 so he's taken some time off. So it's me and 7 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:27.839 on the panel. I have mister A j O'Neil. How 8 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:28.600 you doing, aj. 9 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:34.320 I'm doing fine, flipping fantastic. No, yo yo yo. 10 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:38.880 Yo y oh? Did you on the back end? Oh? 11 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:39.320 Back end? 12 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.000 Sorry, you asked me a question, So okay, I give 13 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:43.600 you the answer, and then I added the yo yo 14 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:48.560 yo yo yo yo, coming at you live from my goodness. 15 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:50.159 Isn't the weather heavenly today? 16 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.280 Yes? It is here too. It's awesome. I was thinking 17 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.359 the fall was coming way too early last week, but 18 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:58.039 that's warming up. Supposed to be ninety here in Portland tomorrow. 19 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:01.799 We're looking at some sunny sky and some good weather. 20 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:04.400 So we did a drive through the mountains yesterday with 21 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:05.079 the kiddos. 22 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:06.920 Hey, Jay, see the fall colors. 23 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:07.840 Yeah, it was wonderful. 24 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:10.879 Yeah, okay, it is after the twenty first, so I 25 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:12.760 guess we can start calling it fall now, can't we? 26 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:16.200 Although here we tend to have really nice September and 27 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:22.040 October Indian summer they call it, so that's always nice. Anyway, 28 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:25.400 as we blaberon, let's welcome our guests, mister Daniel Kelly. 29 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:28.000 How you doing, Daniel, Hey, Steve doing great? 30 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:29.120 Great to be here. 31 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:35.280 So Daniel is a prominent member of the view JS community, 32 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.640 and so since I don't do the views on view 33 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.840 podcast anymore, I like to bring in some view JS 34 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.879 content into JavaScript jabber every once in a while, and 35 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:45.760 this is my chance. 36 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:48.959 Yeah, get a rep view here. 37 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:51.200 Yes, that's right. We need a good view of what's 38 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:54.879 going on. Sorry, I missed my dang it, I missed 39 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:58.040 my sound effect. I'll do it. Delay there we go, 40 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:02.159 thank you. Okay. So, first of all, Daniel, why don't 41 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.159 you just give us an intro on who you are 42 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:06.599 and why you're famous and we'll go from there. 43 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:12.080 Sure. So, I am the lead instructor over at view School. 44 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:14.560 We're one of the primary places you can go to 45 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:18.240 learn view JS, whether you're a beginner or you know, 46 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:21.080 even in a more advanced view person. We've got all 47 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.599 kinds of tutorials available for everyone. So I've been working 48 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:27.800 with view School for almost four years now, Has it 49 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.479 really been that long? Yeah, Google, I think. 50 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:33.400 Yeah. 51 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:40.479 So we also run in the in the conference kind 52 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.520 of circuit there. I go to conferences all the time 53 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:45.360 with view School. We put on a few virtual conferences 54 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.960 and also recently got into the certification space, so we 55 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:54.199 worked with Evan you to create an official view Jess 56 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.360 certificate so you can take an exam, you know, show 57 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.919 potential employers. I know my stuff, right, So yeah, that's 58 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:02.439 kind of what I do on the day to day 59 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:03.719 these days. 60 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:08.039 So let's talk about that for a minute. I know, 61 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.479 way back when before I got into web development, I 62 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.639 was doing software and I got into doing some network certifications. 63 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.280 So if you're looking at network certifications for instance, I 64 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:23.000 was doing on one. Uh this is Windows. This is 65 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.240 early days of Linux. I don't even know if Linx 66 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.280 was out yet, but like Windows NTI network certifications. You know, 67 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:33.479 there's a plus certifications, and I know that it's seen 68 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:36.240 as a way to say, hey, I really know what 69 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.719 I'm talking about. I can remember when I was in 70 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.199 the drouple world. You know, there was always issue when 71 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:44.639 you know, when hiring a developer to do a druple 72 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:47.080 site for you. How do you know that they know 73 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.039 their stuff? And I know that up Drupal has come 74 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:52.319 up with certification test if I remember, I haven't looked 75 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:56.439 in a while. So you know, view development, any type 76 00:03:56.479 --> 00:04:01.919 of development can cover a wide array of topics, you know, absolutely, 77 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.520 So I'm just curious this first chance I've had to 78 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.680 talk to somebody about this. Can you talk about what's 79 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:13.840 involved in generating a certification test? And obviously you got 80 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.519 the input from the guy who created you, which is 81 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:23.199 you can't get much lower level than that speak right. 82 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:24.199 We're very happy about that for sure. 83 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.079 Right, and then so and then what does it cover? 84 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:29.000 What are the main areas? 85 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.639 So we've got yeah, we've got it really focuses on 86 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:39.399 like core VIEWJSS, right, and we have two different levels 87 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.839 of the certification. So there's like a mid level or 88 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.399 just kind of regular level developer short and then there's 89 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:52.519 the senior level developer certification. And so at the at 90 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:56.600 level one, we're basically testing, Hey, do you know just 91 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.199 like the basics of you? Right, can you create a component? 92 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:03.040 Do you know how props and emits work? Do you 93 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:05.759 know how to you know how to start a view application? 94 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:10.959 Kind of basic things like that, and the way we 95 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.519 test you on that is we provide multiple choice questions 96 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:17.319 at the beginning of the exam and then we provide 97 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.879 two different coding challenges that you have to complete to 98 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.279 build some kind of some kind of little app right, 99 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.639 So it's fairly in depth in terms of what you 100 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:34.279 actually have to do to pass the exam. I mean, 101 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.240 if you can't create this, if you can't complete the 102 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.439 coding challenge and actually write the code for yourself, you're 103 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:43.360 not going to pass. And then at the senior level, 104 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.920 it's the same structure. It's multiple choice questions and two 105 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:52.000 different coding challenges, but the topics are a little bit 106 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.439 more advanced, things like using Typescript with view, things like 107 00:05:56.480 --> 00:06:02.800 writing test for your view components, things like a few 108 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:05.800 more advanced things that are a little less used but 109 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:10.560 can be very useful for creating you know, intuitive APIs 110 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:15.639 for your components, things like provide inject for example. So yeah, 111 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:19.480 it's it's an interesting dynamic and we've had a lot 112 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.319 of good feedback from people. One of my favorite things 113 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:25.439 to share is actually we have a boot camp that 114 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:29.639 goes along with the certification as well. It's a three 115 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.040 day boot camp. It's a virtual thing, right, but it's 116 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:38.720 basically me or a colleague of mine doing a just 117 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:42.800 an educational style boot camp thing and people can ask 118 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:44.439 questions and we go over all the different topics that 119 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.319 are on the exam and teach the concepts and so on. 120 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.079 But I actually had one guy who works on a 121 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.319 very popular UI library in the View community who attended. 122 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:56.399 You're like, why would he attend? Like he knows View right, 123 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:58.519 and he came out telling me he learned stuff. So 124 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.439 I'd really like to talk about that really really makes 125 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:02.319 me feel good. 126 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.439 So I assume that with I mean, there's a huge 127 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:08.920 number of apps ot out there and still in View two. 128 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:10.519 I mean, I will work on a very large one 129 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.199 every day. And you know V three has been out 130 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:17.800 for is it two years now? I want to say 131 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:18.879 twenty twenty. 132 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:22.279 Actually I believe I think it's been almost four years now. 133 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:27.360 That isn't really wow anyway, Okay, so you have, you know, 134 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.000 a lot of U two step out the View three 135 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:34.279 is the latest and greatest. So are there cerif case 136 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:37.160 to test for both? Is everything focused on View three? 137 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.920 That's a great question. It is focused on View three. 138 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:45.680 All of our exams focus on the current level and 139 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.800 as soon as the as soon as the current latest 140 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.720 is has changed to you know, increment to the next thing, 141 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:54.759 then we will have new exam material for that next level. 142 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.839 That's kind of our strategy there. But yeah, it's all 143 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:02.680 of you three. It does focus on the composition API 144 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.000 as opposed to the options API because that is the 145 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:09.279 recommendation from the VJs stocks now and that's the direction 146 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:11.759 Evan wanted to take it while we were developing it. 147 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.720 So yeah, okay, so how many any ballpark figure on 148 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.000 how many people have been taken it so far? 149 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.560 Oh? How many have taken it? That's a really great question. 150 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:30.639 I couldn't give you an exact number. I know it's 151 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.679 I mean, we're literally getting people taking it every day. 152 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:36.080 Their exams come in every day for the past year. 153 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:39.000 So do the math on that. I'm not sure exactly 154 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:39.360 how many. 155 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.039 But yeah, so is this run through view school? Is 156 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:47.879 that you school that's running this certification? More of a 157 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:49.919 open source type thing, I guess for lack of a 158 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:50.679 better term. 159 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.600 Right, we uh, it is our team that produces the 160 00:08:54.879 --> 00:09:00.360 content along with third parties like Evan, but the brand 161 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.840 is called Certificates dot dev. So the website is certificates 162 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:08.679 dot dev and we had we started out with just 163 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:13.000 the view exam, but we found that that was so 164 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:17.080 meaningful to people that we pivoted to also not pivoted. 165 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.919 We expanded to also do other certifications as well. So 166 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:25.639 now we also offer an Angular certification. We're actually launching 167 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:31.320 tomorrow a JavaScript certification, a more general JavaScript certification, and 168 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.480 we offer a next certification as well. 169 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:38.519 M okay yea, I'll put the link up here in 170 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:43.639 the little banner here for a second. Angler. So are 171 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:46.360 you guys you have somebody with Angular expertise that's that's 172 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:47.000 doing that one? 173 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:50.200 We do absolutely. So. We we partnered with a guy 174 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:55.399 named Alan. Oh, he's gonna kill me because I I'm 175 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:59.200 gonna butcher. His last name Gerard I think it is. Anyways, 176 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:02.720 he had an a give their certification that he's been 177 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:06.960 working on for years and he wanted to partner with 178 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.080 us just to make his processes a little bit easier 179 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:12.440 and so on. So he is definitely an expert with 180 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.000 that kind of material and provided a lot of that. 181 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.080 It was just a matter of, you know, changing it 182 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.279 up a little bit to fit our standards in our 183 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.919 platform requirements. 184 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:29.240 Okay, Yeah, so here's the view and interesting. So having 185 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:36.000 had to administer and take online tests and scenarios and 186 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.639 stuff out of curiosity, how you mentioned that there's some 187 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:43.879 multiple guests excuse me, multiple choice questions throughout the test, 188 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.679 and then there's some coding challenges and things. So how 189 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:49.879 has that done? Is that like a clonable repo that 190 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:51.720 you can do and push back to a repo or 191 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:53.600 is it just like an online thing like a hacker 192 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:58.080 rank environment or how exactly is that test done? 193 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.840 So it is all in the browsler. In fact, we're 194 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:07.919 pretty what's the word for, we are literally watching you 195 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.519 during the exam. There's there's this entire proctoring setup. Yeah, 196 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:16.399 it's intense, right, there's your camera's on, your screen is 197 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.759 being monitored, your your mic is on. It's it's monitoring everything. 198 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:20.919 A G. 199 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:22.399 You want to say something, I. 200 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:26.840 Can tell I always bomb those like when the quession 201 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:30.879 is on, oh yeah, I bombed with yeah. When the 202 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.279 pressure is on like that, I forget how to do 203 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:38.360 fizz buzz. And oftentimes it seems like in most of 204 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:41.240 those situations they're looking for a very specific answer, so 205 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:44.960 it's not like, hey, here's a here's a problem that's 206 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:50.039 reasonable to have, and then walk us through what are 207 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:53.159 you thinking about that? How would you solve it? It's okay, 208 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.360 so you've got the numbers twelve, twenty seventy to eight 209 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:57.799 and four. They're in an array, but they're backwards, they're 210 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:01.000 inside of an object, and you need to have uh 211 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.600 less than oh two lot in like like, so, how 212 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:11.360 do you solve this problem? And it's like, uh what, yes, 213 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.840 and then and then and then like you saw that 214 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:17.159 and they're like, well, that's not the solution that we 215 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:21.559 have in our bookshet here, so. 216 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.440 Totally totally yeah, And we we've done a lot of 217 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:25.759 work to try to avoid that as much as we 218 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:29.720 can while still being uh, you know, you have to 219 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:33.200 have the parameters that they work in, and we tried 220 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:38.120 to make the coding challenges specifically kind of lifelike things. 221 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:41.559 For example, I don't want to give too much away, 222 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.600 but maybe there's, you know, in the the view one, 223 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.360 maybe you have to create like a carousel, right that 224 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.440 has some kind of functionality that requires JavaScript rotating the images, 225 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.840 you know, blah blah, so on and so forth. So 226 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.200 we try to make it a fairly realistic thing where 227 00:12:55.240 --> 00:13:00.960 you understand what the goal is. So so yeah, that 228 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.279 that's kind of our way of trying to avoid the 229 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.159 situation you're talking about. But we definitely have found over 230 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:11.759 time that we've had little instances exactly like you're talking about, 231 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:15.240 and people report would report such things to us, and 232 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.799 we've been able to work and improve it over time. 233 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:22.240 So during the coding challenge portion of the exam, it 234 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.200 is all in your browser. We embed a stack blitz 235 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.320 project into the into the platform. I don't know if 236 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:30.399 you've heard of stackltz before. 237 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.200 So last week we just talked to Tomatsolkowski from Stacklitz 238 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.120 about tutorial Kit and I was about I was about 239 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.039 to ask you if that was what you were using, 240 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:44.039 or maybe it was just embedding stacklits within your in 241 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:45.279 the test. 242 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:49.399 Yeah, that's right. It is just the classic stacklitz ebed. 243 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:53.240 They came out with tutorial Kit. I believe they actually 244 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:59.960 launched they announced it, they launched it at JavaScript. I'll shoot, 245 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:04.039 I'm getting my conference names mixed up at front end Nation, 246 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:07.080 which is a conference FE school puts on an online conference, 247 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.639 and so yeah, that that wasn't quite out when we 248 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:12.440 first released the certification. 249 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:15.559 So yes, we do no stack Q. We've had Eric 250 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.960 Simon's on I think when they first started talking about 251 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.039 embedding node in the browser a few years ago. So yeah, 252 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.080 we're familiar with right. 253 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:28.480 I'm sure it sounded a little crazy at that point, 254 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:29.600 but I love it right. 255 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:36.440 Right, right for sure? So cool? What about Okay, so 256 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:39.279 people are coming in and you know, taking the certification test, 257 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.440 say hey, I got the certificate, I can do view. 258 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:48.679 Have you seen that being utilized requested in the employment 259 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:51.720 community in terms of people who are actually looking for 260 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:56.639 view developers. What kind of reception has that been getting. 261 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:02.919 Sure, that's an excellent question from my point of view. 262 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:08.080 I don't have any I guess case studies per se 263 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:10.840 on the employer side of Hey, we were looking for 264 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.519 a view developer, and we saw some of our applicants 265 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:18.240 out of view certification, and so they're the ones we hired. Honestly, 266 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:20.159 our marketing team would probably have a ton of that, 267 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.720 a ton of that valuable stuff, right. But I've definitely 268 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:30.799 heard testimonials from view developers themselves who have said, hey, 269 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.360 I got this in order to help me with the 270 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.960 job search. Whether it actually ended up helping them long run, 271 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.919 that's something I don't have the feedback on to be honest. 272 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:44.000 But one thing we also I think is a really 273 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:47.679 great benefit besides just the higher ability of a developer 274 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.519 getting the start, we also think another great benefit and 275 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.360 something we hear actually from people who have taken the 276 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.000 exam is that they really just want to take it 277 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:58.559 to kind of give them the confidence that they're up 278 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.879 to date and their knowledge. They can kind of feel 279 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.320 confident that, hey, I have the knowledge it takes to 280 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.279 be a modern day day view developer, and so that's 281 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:10.039 something they self evaluate, right, and we get a lot 282 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.039 of feedback about that being the case for them. 283 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.559 So it's yeah, sort of just a measuring tool, I guess, 284 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:19.600 or a way to bone up on what's the latest 285 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.080 and make sure you're learning the right thing and not 286 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.279 focusing on something it's antiquated that's going to go away. 287 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:28.159 Right, exactly right, because because evn't reviewed it all and 288 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:29.960 said ahead, this is what you need to know, right 289 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:36.279 and uh and yeah, we also we have had a 290 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:41.039 few employers I know specifically who you know, have given 291 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.200 this exam, bought this exam for their employees in order 292 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:49.919 to give people raises or you know, elevate their position 293 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.360 and the team things like that. Right, So that's been 294 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:54.440 a successful use case for it. 295 00:16:55.480 --> 00:17:01.120 Okay, cool, all right, so uh let's talk about we'll 296 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.399 do well, we'll do some shameless plugs towards the end 297 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:09.720 per View school. In terms of View in general. Obviously 298 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:13.799 we talked about how you three came out almost four 299 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.400 years ago or a little over four years ago, and 300 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:17.960 I want. 301 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:19.480 To google that, Steve, I don't want to tell you 302 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:25.039 the wrong thing. View V three When did it come out? 303 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:26.000 Let's see twenty two? 304 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.599 Two years okay? Oh no, it is twenty two, No, 305 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:32.400 I'm sorry. It is officially released on September eighteenth, twenty twenty, 306 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.000 became the default version of February twenty two. 307 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.640 Yep, yep, that's that's okay, okay. 308 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:44.920 So so if you go to view dot the View website, 309 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.880 it's by default of View three and you got to 310 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.359 click on a link to go view the V two 311 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:55.599 docs with what sort of makes it the default? So 312 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.319 we're on as we were talking about before, and we're 313 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:03.880 on three point five is the current release of View? 314 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:08.599 What what's so, what's the latest and greatest coming out 315 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:11.279 of view with with the latest releases, Since you're probably 316 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:12.200 right on top. 317 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:17.160 Of that absolutely, so viewpoint three point three was a 318 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.759 pretty big one. So with that came define model. I'm 319 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:23.960 not sure if you've used define model yet. It's it's 320 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:29.039 a really handy kind of wrapper around a common pattern 321 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:36.640 for for taking a prop in and then emitting an 322 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.000 event up whenever the value for that that prop changes. 323 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:44.480 So think of like a custom input field, right. You 324 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.279 bring a prop in that's called model value, and then 325 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.559 you send an event up called update model value. Right, 326 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:59.440 And so define model essentially just lets you skip the 327 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:04.759 kind of and dance there and directly alter the prop 328 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:08.440 that came in inside of your child component. So whenever 329 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:12.079 you actually assign a new value to that prop, you're 330 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:14.400 not actually mutating the prop, which would be a no 331 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.920 no right. Instead, what it's doing under the hood is 332 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:19.920 it's emitting update model value for you. So it's just 333 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:26.480 a little ergonomic quality of development thing. So that was 334 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:28.839 a kind of big addition to three point three. Now 335 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.240 that's been quite a number of months now since set 336 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:31.799 one's been out. 337 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:33.839 Can I ask you one question real quick. One of 338 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.279 the things I used to talk about was component v model, 339 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.559 which is basically where you you know you have a 340 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:45.240 parent and a child and you can do something within 341 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:49.240 the child and then admit it back up to the parent, 342 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:51.000 you know. And the example I have is one that 343 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:54.640 I actually use in an inertia app where I have 344 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:58.799 a just like an index listing and a table, and 345 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:03.359 then within I do all The table itself is a 346 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.319 separate component, but the search field that I'm using it 347 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:09.640 is in the parent. And because I'm using inertia, I 348 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:13.160 got to use a to find URL. So basically in 349 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:15.240 my table, I say, you know, I do all my 350 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:17.880 stuff or no, I take it back. My route has 351 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:19.759 to be defined in the parent. The search field is 352 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.160 actually in the child, and so I read the child, 353 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:23.920 passed it up to the parents what we can call 354 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:27.119 the u ur L and that's basically a component V 355 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:30.000 model where you can map that real easily and have 356 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.200 that dynamic field. Is this different or is this an 357 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.640 improvement on components and the model? Are they just? Are 358 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:37.119 they different things? 359 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:40.640 It's very similar, So really we are talking about the 360 00:20:40.680 --> 00:20:43.240 same thing. Like it's the V model on the using 361 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:46.640 the V model in the parent on the child component. 362 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.680 That's exactly what this is supporting. Okay, but it's just 363 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.960 when you're doing your logic inside the child. It's making 364 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.279 that logic inside the child a little bit easier to 365 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:58.519 reason about in short, less lines. 366 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:02.279 Right, okay, so it's yeah, sort of the longest same. Yeah, 367 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:05.119 it's really it's an easy way to because it's one 368 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:10.480 of the thorning our problems with making everything self contained component, 369 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.599 you know, trying to so you don't have this huge, 370 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:14.720 you know, five hundred line component with everything in it. 371 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:17.359 You can break things into reusable components. But then you've 372 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.319 got to communicate between the parent and the child, and 373 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:23.720 that's where it gets gets really sticky and dynamic ways. 374 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.279 So okay, so sorry to interrupt, so or you were 375 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:27.359 going on from there. 376 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:32.240 No worries, No worries. So three point four, honestly, I 377 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:35.519 have no real recollection of. 378 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.000 Of what that's a very important release. 379 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.720 Yeah, truly minor release, right at least in my mind. 380 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:44.839 So three in three point five just because it's very 381 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:49.519 recent site I am thinking about. Of course, there's always 382 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:53.079 performance improvements in every release, right, But also three point 383 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:59.519 five brought about a feature called props destructure. So when 384 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:03.000 you're working with the Composition API inside of your script 385 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:09.720 set up tags, you use a a macro called defined props. 386 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:11.559 In order to define your props. 387 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:12.279 Right. 388 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:17.079 Uh, well, if you wanted to add defaults to your 389 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:20.519 to your props, you had to use this weird with 390 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:24.319 defaults method kind of wrap the whole defined props call 391 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:27.960 and then have a second argument to the with defaults 392 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:30.240 be your your actual defaults. So you're kind of like 393 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:34.079 declaring your props here, and then you're declaring that the 394 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.680 defaults for those those props here, and you kind of 395 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:39.680 have to, you know, put those keys in twice, and 396 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:43.319 it's just kind of weird and cumbersome. And then when 397 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:46.799 you're working with your props, you have to say constant 398 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:50.039 props equals defined props, and then you're working with those 399 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.279 you know, those props off of that props object. So 400 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:58.000 what props destructure does is it allows you to destructure 401 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:01.279