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Speaker 2: Wide receiver ranks. That's what we're gonna do today. There
Speaker 2: are so many to talk about. We're not going to
Speaker 2: do it justice. We'll probably have to be a little
Speaker 2: bit quicker than we were with running backs because you
Speaker 2: get to thirty six running backs, you're getting into like
Speaker 2: your bench territory. Thirty six running backs is scratching the
Speaker 2: surface of what anybody's starting. Whether you do two outfielder
Speaker 2: with some flexes or you do three outfielder with three outfielder,
Speaker 2: three outfielders. I know it's baseball three ways your.
Speaker 3: Brain because you just called wide receivers, running backs and outfielders.
Speaker 2: Just now, no, No, I meant like the running I
Speaker 2: know what you meant. Thirty six running backs. Yeah, sorry
Speaker 2: if you don't. We did thirty six running backs, which
Speaker 2: gets into the bench range of running.
Speaker 3: Thirty six wide receivers.
Speaker 2: Thirty six wide receivers, not outfielders, but similar to wide
Speaker 2: or similar to outfielders. It's like you're just scratching the
Speaker 2: surface of who you're going to start, whether it's yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's there's so many guys to talk about. So
Speaker 2: we'll try to be a little bit more quick than
Speaker 2: we were in in the running back episode to get
Speaker 2: lots and lots of names. But that is a plan
Speaker 2: here again kind of just setting. We call it the
Speaker 2: primer because it's just set in the stage. This is
Speaker 2: the rank. Bobmin might throw some thoughts in there. We'll
Speaker 2: give you some of the statistical categories where the tears
Speaker 2: might change. And this is gonna just kind of set
Speaker 2: us up for the baseline for you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of we're gonna be like sleepers and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Mock drafts, and then obviously when we do our rank episodes,
Speaker 2: where and what is going to change. The funny thing is, though,
Speaker 2: if you were to look even three or four years ago,
Speaker 2: it is actually incredible and it's the staying power of
Speaker 2: why you should take wide receivers so high. This ass
Speaker 2: hasn't changed. It's just the same names in slightly different orders,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like dude two three
Speaker 2: years ago, it's just the same. Guess what, Jamar Chase
Speaker 2: is up at the top and you have Jackson Smith
Speaker 2: and Jig but he's higher now. He was a little
Speaker 2: bit lower, a Mona sayting frown. It's just all the
Speaker 2: same ten. It feels like roughly are just kind of
Speaker 2: jumbled together. There's a little bit of change, but the
Speaker 2: lack of parody is actually nice for the sustainability for
Speaker 2: wide receivers. I think I asked you about this in
Speaker 2: the running backs, but when you look at the wide
Speaker 2: receivers just as a quick arching thing before we get
Speaker 2: into the episode, do you feel are you going to
Speaker 2: do the like wide receiver is so good in depthy
Speaker 2: that you want to make sure you prioritize ther running
Speaker 2: back in the first round or do you think there's
Speaker 2: some falloffs and the sustainability of wide receivers makes you
Speaker 2: feel good, even though some wide receivers definitely had some
Speaker 2: weird up and down points. I think I want to
Speaker 2: say Chase had a weird run Puka. Obviously there were
Speaker 2: just some weird spacing where some of those wide receivers
Speaker 2: were big question marks. They obviously found it back. But
Speaker 2: what do you think your overall approach is going to
Speaker 2: be more wide receiver heavy finally, or the last couple
Speaker 2: of years you've been like, I got to get a
Speaker 2: running back in the first two rounds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think running backs are deeper than they typically
Speaker 3: have been in general, So I'm probably I'm I don't
Speaker 3: think I'm going to be at the point of where
Speaker 3: I say you absolutely have to take a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: I'll say the wide receiver is more valuable up at
Speaker 3: the very top we can say that, you know, but
Speaker 3: I and I don't think that's the case this year.
Speaker 3: I think Bejeon and Gibbs are way up there, and
Speaker 3: so a CMC. So no, I mean, I think that
Speaker 3: what has changed is that I'm not so hardcore about
Speaker 3: running backs this year because there's a lot I like,
Speaker 3: so wide receiver. I think I think the wide receiver
Speaker 3: has more of a cap than it has had recently.
Speaker 3: So I'm probably gonna mix way more am I drafting
Speaker 3: this year than I typically.
Speaker 2: Have no, like zero running back type of stuff. But
Speaker 2: maybe maybe you float around with like, you know, little
Speaker 2: versions of that.
Speaker 3: It's definitely a possibility specifically with also, you know, tight
Speaker 3: end being top heavy in my opinion, so you know,
Speaker 3: I think I'll be finding depth a wide receiver and
Speaker 3: running back that I like this year because I'll probably
Speaker 3: be taking its tight end pretty high.
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's dig into it. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk about the injections, the stats, the ranks, and we're
Speaker 2: going to try to get through as many wide receivers
Speaker 2: as we can. Here Again, you guys want to check
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Speaker 2: But let's talk about some wide receivers and we will
Speaker 2: do it right after this. Hey in this league, look at.
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Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Again, we are using ECR. This is the Fantasy Pros
Speaker 2: consensus rank. I think it's just a really good baseline
Speaker 2: if you want to understand values. Obviously, things will change
Speaker 2: on a site that you're playing on, if you're doing
Speaker 2: f FPC or you're doing Yahoo or ESPN, they're going
Speaker 2: to kind of have their own driven ranks. But this
Speaker 2: is the consensus thought process of probably around fifty rankers
Speaker 2: out there, fifty industry people that are creating this consensus.
Speaker 2: So I think it's just a really good baseline. And
Speaker 2: your top three I think they're relatively standard. Jamar Chase,
Speaker 2: for jesus, what dude like the fourth raight Year comes
Speaker 2: in as like the number one guy, number one wide receiver,
Speaker 2: pukin Akua with some question marks, of course, not from
Speaker 2: how he produces on the field. It's more produces off
Speaker 2: the field. And Jackson Smith and Jigma who took that
Speaker 2: huge jump, that is your top three Tier one statistically
Speaker 2: Pukinakua average the most points per game twenty three point four,
Speaker 2: compared to twenty one point two for Jackson Smith and
Speaker 2: Jigba and just nineteen point six for Jamar Chase. That
Speaker 2: was still plenty, but kind of a tier down from them,
Speaker 2: and he goes way above them. He received more targets
Speaker 2: with one hundred and eighty five. The most catches went
Speaker 2: to Pooka Nakua with one twenty nine. Puka and Jackson
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba both went over seventeen hundred receiving yards,
Speaker 2: Smith getting the most fourteen hundred for Jamar Chase. We
Speaker 2: had ten touchdowns for Puka and JSN. Jamar Chase put
Speaker 2: up just eight. I think there's an assumption that, by
Speaker 2: the way, Puka had one hundred yards rushing in a touchdown.
Speaker 2: I think there's an assumption that, like you know, Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow and this season, you know, getting him back and
Speaker 2: healthy and running like Jamar Chase with that target share,
Speaker 2: like the touchdowns are going to go up, and that's
Speaker 2: kind of why he gets thrown up at the top. Bagman,
Speaker 2: you have the exact same kind of rank here. Do
Speaker 2: you agree with this tier of these three wide receivers
Speaker 2: and how are you approaching them?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I think it should be one through six,
Speaker 3: and I'll give you my reasons why when we move
Speaker 3: down to the next tier. But I do have the
Speaker 3: same order it is Chase, Puka, Nakua, and JSN. I
Speaker 3: do think they're at the tippy top. I also I also,
Speaker 3: even though I would include three other guys in this tier,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't draft him ahead of those guys. And I
Speaker 3: know that is a marker for you. Plus yeah, but
Speaker 3: I just want to point out that these are the
Speaker 3: six that I think could all possibly end up as
Speaker 3: wide receiver ones. And once we jump down a tier,
Speaker 3: I'll get in.
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't want to comment on that,
Speaker 2: because I think that's a good point. That maybe something
Speaker 2: that's when I speak about my hardcore tiers that I'm
Speaker 2: missing when I do it, is that like if you
Speaker 2: just simplify it and say here's the six and then
Speaker 2: you go, okay, But I have Jamar Chase at one,
Speaker 2: so that's the number one guy sometimes and this is
Speaker 2: why it gets a little confusing, because there are tiers,
Speaker 2: and I think it's when the tears get lower that
Speaker 2: a lot of people will use the I definitely don't
Speaker 2: want to use the term crutch argument. Don't want to
Speaker 2: get you know, soon for that specific statement by somebody,
Speaker 2: but like, I don't want to use it. But there
Speaker 2: definitely are people that will just get to a tier
Speaker 2: and they'll just be like, I like all the guys
Speaker 2: in this tier kind of interchangeable. Hey, if you want
Speaker 2: to have this guy higher, doesn't bother me, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So that type, that same vibe I think sometimes I
Speaker 2: take to the higher tiers, and that's why I want
Speaker 2: to be more specific where I'm like, well, guess what,
Speaker 2: that's fine if you have this all the way down
Speaker 2: to Justin Jefferson. But I'm not taking ever ten out
Speaker 2: of ten times Justin Jefferson over Jamar Chase. But what
Speaker 2: you're saying should be understood, and I think it's more
Speaker 2: important to hire tiers is that I'm just I'm following
Speaker 2: the numerical form of this tier. But you said it great.
Speaker 2: I think all of these guys have the potential to
Speaker 2: be the number one fantasy option, but I just want
Speaker 2: to follow it to this. So that's where tears get
Speaker 2: kind of weird to me. It's like, you probably want
Speaker 2: to follow the valuation on the higher tiers and then
Speaker 2: the lower tiers. I think everybody just starts going like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just like all these guys the same. But so
Speaker 2: that's what's uh. I just wanted to mention that because
Speaker 2: I see my own flaw in the logic of how.
Speaker 3: I don't even think yours is a flaw, to be
Speaker 3: honest with you, because I think there is a good
Speaker 3: point to saying, like, hey, look, if you're never ever
Speaker 3: going to take Justin Jefferson ahead of Jamar Chase, then
Speaker 3: why even put them in the same tier. I understand
Speaker 3: that thought process, but for me, and specifically with why receiver,
Speaker 3: because it's deep I separated by Okay, this is the
Speaker 3: clear tier. Any of these guys can finish number one.
Speaker 3: Would I ever draft Jefferson over Chase? No, But I
Speaker 3: do have them in the same tier because I think
Speaker 3: that they could. Either one of these guys could finish
Speaker 3: as wide receiver one and would not be surprising. I
Speaker 3: think it's way more likely Jamar Chase finished his number
Speaker 3: one overall. He finished number two or three overall last
Speaker 3: year with Joe Burrow missing eight games. So I just
Speaker 3: there's a lot, there's a lot of room for growth
Speaker 3: for Jamar Chase, uh if he plays a full season. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: And by the way, how I would do this is
Speaker 2: I would have like I mean, I almost got to
Speaker 2: go against myself. I probably have like Chase in his
Speaker 2: own tier, and then Puka and jsin. But this is
Speaker 2: actually the first time I actually think all three are good.
Speaker 2: I think I'm good with all three of these guys.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't, I actually probably wouldn't put the the
Speaker 2: next three into the top tier. Though I do agree
Speaker 2: with your argument. I would say, like, these are the
Speaker 2: guys that are I actually think they do become more interchangeable,
Speaker 2: and this is where things are get wonky with the interchangeability.
Speaker 2: Here are the projections, So this is the consensus projections
Speaker 2: on Fantasy pros right now. Jamar Chase is the third
Speaker 2: projected wide receiver. He's number one in the ranks, third
Speaker 2: in the projections, and he's over It's about twenty five
Speaker 2: point differential from the number one guy, who is Puka Nakua,
Speaker 2: So that means JSN is number two the projections, Puka
Speaker 2: number one with a hunt d D D D one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five catches sixteen hundred little over sixteen
Speaker 2: hundred yards and nine touchdowns plus another one hundred yards
Speaker 2: rushing they're throwing in there, and a touchdown jays in
Speaker 2: one hundred and nineteen catches, so that's six less a
Speaker 2: few more yards over sixteen hundred ten point eight touchdowns
Speaker 2: and you know, nothing really on the rushing side. And
Speaker 2: then Jamar Chase is one hundred and twenty three catches
Speaker 2: around fifteen hundred yards and ten touchdowns. They're all close,
Speaker 2: but there's a twenty five point step between Chase and
Speaker 2: Puka Nakua, And then there's kind to your point, I
Speaker 2: want to throw out there is a drop that's not
Speaker 2: huge from Jamar Chase to a Mona Saint Brown, but
Speaker 2: the drop from a Manra to the next guy is big.
Speaker 2: So like projections would actually be telling a story that
Speaker 2: a Monera Saint Brown should be in that tier or
Speaker 2: could be in that tier, and the rest of the
Speaker 2: guys should if you believe projections. So production projections are
Speaker 2: pretty close on Chase, Puka and Jigba. Do you disagree
Speaker 2: or agree on any does anything push you in any direction?
Speaker 2: Knowing that again it's inverse order. Puka one JSN two
Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase three based on projections.
Speaker 3: No, nothing, nothing really changes my mind. I will say
Speaker 3: that the point I like the point about that you
Speaker 3: brought up about Amna Saint Brown because a Mona Saint
Speaker 3: Brown has finished as wide receiver three three seasons in
Speaker 3: a row, and I think, outside of maybe Jamar Chase,
Speaker 3: I think a Mona Saint Brown has the highest fantasy
Speaker 3: floor of any player in the league. I just think
Speaker 3: he's gonna be peppered with targets every year. He's consistently
Speaker 3: finished as the number three wide receiver. He is going
Speaker 3: to be a great option as wide receiver one, and
Speaker 3: that's why I put him in this tier.
Speaker 2: And then so going into tier two. This is four
Speaker 2: through eight. Amana Saint Brown is number four, Cede Lamb
Speaker 2: comes in at five, Justin Jefferson at six, Drake London
Speaker 2: at seven, and Nico Collins at eight. Amanra had the
Speaker 2: most targets. He actually had the second most targets overall
Speaker 2: with one hundred and seventy two. He caught one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventeen balls last year for fourteen hundred yards, also
Speaker 2: had eleven touchdowns, So it's very it's much more reminiscent
Speaker 2: of that top tier. He averaged nineteen point one yards
Speaker 2: or points per game, and obviously I just brattle off
Speaker 2: those projections. They're within ten points of Jamar Chase. Ceedee
Speaker 2: Lamb had one hundred and seventeen targets caught the second
Speaker 2: lease balls him and Nico Collins only caught around seventy balls.
Speaker 2: Everybody had. Everybody but Drake London and Ceede Lamb had
Speaker 2: over one hundred and twenty targets, most catches not a Mona.
Speaker 2: Saint Brown was Justin Jefferson at eighty four, but he
Speaker 2: had no touchdowns. Everybody but Drake London had a thousand
Speaker 2: plus yards, but Drake London only played twelve games. Your
Speaker 2: points per game Monra was the heavy leader. Drake London
Speaker 2: was number two at sixteen point eight, Nico Collins fifteen
Speaker 2: point one, Ceedee Lamb fourteen point four, Justin Jefferson down
Speaker 2: there at eleven point nine. It's very touchdown dependent here,
Speaker 2: and on the touchdowns, a Monra just destroyed everybody in
Speaker 2: this tier with eleven. The next highest was London at seven,
Speaker 2: Nico at six. And then the positive touchdown regression that
Speaker 2: a lot of people are gonna play are Justin Jefferson
Speaker 2: and Ceedde Lamb. This is why they're this high. Jefferson
Speaker 2: caught two touchdowns and Ceedee Lamb only caught three this
Speaker 2: past year, so that's it's a weird grouping. But that's
Speaker 2: where when you make your argument of the top six,
Speaker 2: you have Cede Lamb and Justin Jefferson in that top six.
Speaker 2: They were held down relatively dramatically by the touchdown. But
Speaker 2: even if you added more touchdowns, Cedy's points per game
Speaker 2: are probably still relatively low, into the maybe sixteens. And
Speaker 2: if you gave, you know, ten touchdowns to Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 2: maybe that gets him to like fifteen to sixteen points
Speaker 2: per game. It's just it's still not in that upper tier.
Speaker 2: So you had to kind of talk about a mono
Speaker 2: Saint Brown. I'll do projections here. Why don't you specifically
Speaker 2: hit on Ceede Lamb and Jefferson who you put in
Speaker 2: that range?
Speaker 3: Right, So, Jefferson had the worst quarterback play that I've
Speaker 3: seen in a long time last year. Max brossmer for
Speaker 3: a bunch of games. McCarthy was awful for the most part,
Speaker 3: and then Carson Wentz might have been his best option,
Speaker 3: and Carson Wentz is playing gimpy for most of his
Speaker 3: games with Minnesota. I remember watching Wentz against Pittsburgh in
Speaker 3: Ireland and it was crazy. The dude was gimpy. He
Speaker 3: could barely stand upright and they were still throwing him
Speaker 3: out there because Brosmer sucks so much. So I think
Speaker 3: Jefferson is going to get way. Tyler Murray at the
Speaker 3: helm a real NFL level quarterback, even if we don't
Speaker 3: like him and things didn't mesh with Marvin Harrison. We've
Speaker 3: seen him mesh with Hopkins, We've seen him mesh with
Speaker 3: Larry Like there's he's He's been a good quarterback in
Speaker 3: his career and he'll be way better than the mess
Speaker 3: that they had last year. And I think what people
Speaker 3: forget about Ceedee Lamb Ceedee Lamb had a high ankle
Speaker 3: sprain week two or week three, excuse me, So he
Speaker 3: had one hundred yards one hundred yards and then a
Speaker 3: high ankle sprain and then drug that around for the
Speaker 3: rest of the year because he probably came back too
Speaker 3: fast from it. So Pickens obviously also ate into him.
Speaker 3: So if you want to fear these guys, because you
Speaker 3: know Jefferson had a low catch total and didn't score
Speaker 3: any touchdowns, and you don't like Kyler because he didn't
Speaker 3: mess with Marv. I don't have a great argument against that.
Speaker 3: So fine, If you think Lamb is fading and that
Speaker 3: George Pickens's is better, Okay, that's fine. I understand where
Speaker 3: you're coming from. I don't see it that way. I
Speaker 3: still think is one of the best wide receivers in
Speaker 3: the league. I still think Jefferson is one of the
Speaker 3: best white outs in the league. I think they're going
Speaker 3: to take a much better leap this year because things
Speaker 3: will get back to a little more normal. Now. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe Ceedee Lamb is getting old, but maybe Jefferson is
Speaker 3: losing a step. I just don't think so.
Speaker 2: So of this tier, the lowest projected player of anybody
Speaker 2: in this tier is Nico Collins at eighty four catches
Speaker 2: twelve hundred yards, about seven and a half touchdowns than
Speaker 2: two hundred and ten points. What might so? I just
Speaker 2: wanted to throw that out of this tier. The second
Speaker 2: or the highest of this tier that's not a mono
Speaker 2: Saint Brown is Drake London, who's projected at one hundred
Speaker 2: and three catches thirteen hundred yards almost eleven touchdowns, So
Speaker 2: that's higher than Lamb and Jefferson. But what might surprise
Speaker 2: you is Jefferson is down here. They have more projected
Speaker 2: points on George Pickens than Jefferson. Jefferson projected at one
Speaker 2: hundred catches thirteen hundred yards. But what I think it
Speaker 2: is getting fed up in the projections only six touchdowns
Speaker 2: because he had the two. So if they start waiting
Speaker 2: touchdown projection production versus last year, and if they heavily wait,
Speaker 2: you know, let's say they do a three year window,
Speaker 2: but they're heavily waiting this previous year, I think it's
Speaker 2: kind of messy. I think it's a lot easier to
Speaker 2: project Jefferson back into that eight to nine range. But
Speaker 2: you could argue, like Kyler Murray got really weird, you know,
Speaker 2: with like the wide receiver play if he is the quarterback,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like he wasn't didn't get
Speaker 2: the ball to Jefferson, didn't consistently get it to anybody
Speaker 2: like that might go to a little bit more tight
Speaker 2: end play, might play safety options, But like I would
Speaker 2: probably argue, I would put Jefferson in the eight to
Speaker 2: eight and a half touchdown range, and that would put
Speaker 2: him above George Pickens and probably right around Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 2: So I throw that at you with those projections. Any
Speaker 2: thoughts on London projecting higher than both Cede Lamb and Jefferson,
Speaker 2: And then what I obviously said on Jefferson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't buy it. And London has a
Speaker 3: really high floor, right, he has a great floor. He
Speaker 3: averaged six teen points per game last season, but again
Speaker 3: he's missed games as well, and the quarterback play there
Speaker 3: is unpredictable. I guess we'll say. I think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be two. It might be Pennis, but they're both not
Speaker 3: very good. So I don't know. I just I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm I'm way in the Jefferson camp over Drake London,
Speaker 3: and I know that's not the most popular pick.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing I think you like if it's
Speaker 2: Penix is you know Penix likes to throw the ball
Speaker 2: to London, you know, like.
Speaker 3: He likes to whoever has the ball in Atlanta has
Speaker 3: to throw the ball to London because it's London. Pits
Speaker 3: and bijon on those are your three targets.
Speaker 2: I mean, those just two good options. But if it's
Speaker 2: to a You know what two is gonna do. Be
Speaker 2: Jon Robinson's gonna have nine catches a game. He's just
Speaker 2: gonna dump it off. That's what two it does. Who
Speaker 2: is gonna throw those short line passes, which I actually
Speaker 2: do think still benefit London and probably helps Pits. But
Speaker 2: it's like Jhon Robinson's gonna get four billion catches a
Speaker 2: game because that's just what TUA does.
Speaker 3: So I think London, I think all these guys are
Speaker 3: pretty quarterback proof. It's just you can't be you can't
Speaker 3: be a non NFL level starter like Max Brosmer.
Speaker 2: Do you do you think it all? Maybe Nico doesn't
Speaker 2: belong in here. I feel weird.
Speaker 3: I think he would be the one if I'm yeah,
Speaker 3: if I'm picking hairs at this group, he would be
Speaker 3: the one because of his injury problems. Because I think
Speaker 3: Jayden Higgins can take the next step. They're gonna be better,
Speaker 3: better in the running game with David Montgomery as well
Speaker 3: this year. So yeah, if I'm pushing one guy out,
Speaker 3: it'll probably be Nico.
Speaker 2: The next tier. Interestingly enough, the top guy in the
Speaker 2: next tier coming in at wide receiver nine is aj Brown.
Speaker 2: He is projected higher than Nico Collins. We can talk
Speaker 2: about George Pickens is also he comes in at number ten,
Speaker 2: followed by Alave, Rashi Rice, Ttero, McMillan, Molik Neighbors, DeVonta Smith,
Speaker 2: and T. Higgins. So that is nine to sixteen. So
Speaker 2: that's back half of wide receiver ones to the first
Speaker 2: half of wide receiver twos. Some just breakdowns here. The
Speaker 2: highest projected per game highest points per game last year
Speaker 2: did go to Rashi Rice, we'll talk about him at
Speaker 2: eighteen point eight. Number two was George Pickens at seventeen
Speaker 2: point two, and then Chris Olave was actually sixteen point eight.
Speaker 2: Everybody else was relatively mediocre, including AJ Brown. The targets,
Speaker 2: Chris Olave led the way with one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: six last year, catching one hundred balls. The lowest was
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors because of miss time, so that one's kind
Speaker 2: of wonky. But and then Rashid Rice as well because
Speaker 2: he missed games. Then you would look at T. Higgins
Speaker 2: who comes in with ninety eight targets in fifteen games,
Speaker 2: still kind of low ish catches. Chris o Lave number
Speaker 2: one with one hundred, George Pickens number two with ninety three.
Speaker 3: A J.
Speaker 2: Brown caught us seventy eight balls last year and Devanta
Speaker 2: Smith caught seventy seven. That's going to be an interesting
Speaker 2: thing because Brown goes to a new destination. That definitely
Speaker 2: loved to spread the ball around whether they were going deep,
Speaker 2: and they love to use those rotations and go into
Speaker 2: the red zone. But you now have AJ Brown and
Speaker 2: now Devanta Smith becomes the number one guy in the
Speaker 2: yards department. George Pickens was your leader with fourteen hundred yards.
Speaker 2: You had AJ Brown, Chris Olave, Ttero McMillan, and Devanta
Speaker 2: Smith that did go over one thousand yards. A lot
Speaker 2: of those guys didn't because of injuries and the touchdowns.
Speaker 2: T Higgins had the most with eleven, so there might
Speaker 2: be some maybe negative regression in favor of Chase. Pickens
Speaker 2: and A. Lave both had nine. Very interesting. AJ Brown
Speaker 2: had seven last year, Tedoro with seven, Devanta Smith only four.
Speaker 2: So box you can definitely see. I think there's probably
Speaker 2: tons of conversation around this. George Pickens says he will
Speaker 2: not hold out Malik Neighbors theoretically back Devanta Smith becomes
Speaker 2: the number one. A J. Brown, I guess goes to
Speaker 2: an offense, I'll actually pass the ball like and Rashid
Speaker 2: Rice is the biggest diceist player of all of them
Speaker 2: because and maybe we start with him, because he has
Speaker 2: the fifth six highest projected numbers of any player. He
Speaker 2: comes in at number six above Ceedee Lamb. One hundred catches,
Speaker 2: almost eleven hundred yards, nine touchdowns a rushing touchdown. But
Speaker 2: dude just got a jail, Like he's got all these
Speaker 2: legal problems. I have to assume there's something coming for him.
Speaker 2: And then there's also the unknown. I don't know how
Speaker 2: you feel about this, Like is there been any words
Speaker 2: of like what the hell's going to happen with him?
Speaker 2: Is there going to be any more issues? Is there
Speaker 2: going to be any more suspensions? Like where are you
Speaker 2: at on raschid Rice? Right now? He seems dicey.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think he's going to have a suspension,
Speaker 3: so I you know, he is dicey. I'm not the
Speaker 3: biggest fan. I think that he will eventually be replaced
Speaker 3: because the Chiefs are going to get tired of dealing
Speaker 3: with this stuff. So but currently he's not facing any suspension,
Speaker 3: so it should be Really.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know if there'd be something else because
Speaker 2: he just had to serve like the thirty days, and
Speaker 2: then he had the other thing that popped up, like
Speaker 2: more stuff popped up. Just sometimes the NFL likes are
Speaker 2: cracked down.
Speaker 3: I just he just had he just had to serve
Speaker 3: the thirty days immediately because he violated his probation. So
Speaker 3: it's not a new charge or anything. It's just he
Speaker 3: did something wrong, so he had immediately.
Speaker 2: I guess violating probation. I thought that might be something
Speaker 2: the NFL looks at, but maybe.
Speaker 3: I don't think they do. So I don't think he's
Speaker 3: going to face another suspension. But when is Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: going to be back? I think that's yeah, that's the
Speaker 3: question I think right now everyone is talking about, you
Speaker 3: know how they think he's going to be back for
Speaker 3: week one. I just highly doubt that. I think he's
Speaker 3: going to miss at least the first month, probably start
Speaker 3: the year on the pup. But I've been wrong before
Speaker 3: and they're going to try to rush him because he
Speaker 3: makes all the money in the world. So maybe he'll
Speaker 3: be back for week one. But even if he's back
Speaker 3: for week one, and I don't think he's one hundred
Speaker 3: percent so and I don't know what else is going
Speaker 3: to happen with the wide receiver corps. Like Tyreek Hill
Speaker 3: still free agent, they could sign him. Stephan Diggs is
Speaker 3: still free agent, you know, so there there could be
Speaker 3: more things coming for the Chiefs. So not one hundred
Speaker 3: percent sure what's going to happen there. So Rice is dicey.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be lower on him. I have him
Speaker 3: at fourteen. ZCR is twelve, So I'm just probably gonna
Speaker 3: let Rashie Rice be somebody else's issue for this year.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith.
Speaker 2: Let's look at the projections on both of these guys.
Speaker 2: AJ Brown comes in and this isn't numerically said. It
Speaker 2: looks like number ten tennant wide receiver projections. Eighty nine
Speaker 2: catches almost thirteen hundred yards eight touchdowns for the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Devanta Smith ninety catches around one thousand and fifty six touchdowns.
Speaker 2: So it actually looks like they're kind of laying down
Speaker 2: the touchdown production with Philly maybe right Philly. So those
Speaker 2: guys are between I said, I think AJ Brown is ten.
Speaker 2: I think Dewanta Smith is like fifteen in projection. But
Speaker 2: Dewanta Smith actually projected for more Yeah, more catches, just
Speaker 2: less yards and touchdowns. What do you think about I
Speaker 2: don't want to say new destinations, but Brown's a new destination.
Speaker 2: Smith is probably just a new position. As far as
Speaker 2: like targets on the team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's beneficial for both of
Speaker 3: them obviously, right, So I think DeVante Smith is going
Speaker 3: to see more targets than he's had in his career.
Speaker 3: Is it going to be, you know, enough to make
Speaker 3: him a no doubt wide receiver one? I'm not quite there,
Speaker 3: h Jalen Hurt still isn't fantastic at passing the ball.
Speaker 3: It's not a strong suit. And they added my Kyle Lemon,
Speaker 3: they added they traded for Dantavian Wicks, They you know,
Speaker 3: drafted Eli Sowers and resigned Goddard. So it's not all
Speaker 3: gonna go to DeVante, but he should see a nice uptick,
Speaker 3: So I think it's nice for him, And I think
Speaker 3: AJ Brown being in a why with a quarterback that
Speaker 3: can actually get the ball to him downfield is going
Speaker 3: to be outstanding for him. So I'm probably more excited
Speaker 3: about Aj Brown moving than I am for DeVante Smith
Speaker 3: getting a. J Brown out of the offense.
Speaker 2: Okay, Because I was gonna ask is, like, what are
Speaker 2: you more comfortable with mid second round AJ Brown or
Speaker 2: mid third round DeVonta Smith? Like which, if you have
Speaker 2: the choice, You've got it. You gotta go.
Speaker 3: You're okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And he's twenty one on this is the ADP across
Speaker 2: three sources on Fantasy pros he comes into twenty one
Speaker 2: and Devanta Smith is twenty eight. So like you could
Speaker 2: pass on AJ Brown to take Derrick Henry and then
Speaker 2: take Davanta Smith, Or you could take AJ Brown and
Speaker 2: then around DeVonta Smith you could take breissee Hall, Kirrin Williams,
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, give me that combo all day. Give me the
Speaker 3: AJ Brown and Kyrone combo all day. Uh?
Speaker 2: Malik? Where are you out on Malik? And recovery from
Speaker 2: the injury? What this offense looks like? Obviously we know
Speaker 2: he could be a top You want to talk about
Speaker 2: guys when they're out there who could be a top
Speaker 2: five overall wide receiver. Malik Neighbors fits that territory. But
Speaker 2: what is what's your vision of what his production and
Speaker 2: how many games he plays this year? And then I'll
Speaker 2: talk about the projections.
Speaker 3: I really hate the cleanup surgery, and I really hate
Speaker 3: that the giants also tried to pass it off as ah,
Speaker 3: this is all normal, this is no big deal at all,
Speaker 3: and then we see deepok going, Yeah, guys, don't just
Speaker 3: get clean up procedures, right right, It's not like a
Speaker 3: normal thing that happens. So, yes, he's gonna miss a
Speaker 3: little bit more time. It pushes his window back. But
Speaker 3: I think for the most part, you know, even if
Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors has to miss time, I think it's one
Speaker 3: to two weeks, so still going to be pretty high
Speaker 3: on Malik coming back with Jackson Dark.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this then, because this is the
Speaker 2: only thing I actually am going to ask behind I
Speaker 2: can't get it for this episode, but I'm gonna ask
Speaker 2: for behind the scenes. Here's Malik Neighbors projections. But I
Speaker 2: want you to tell me because I don't have the
Speaker 2: answer to this. But how many games do you think
Speaker 2: they're projecting when they give you these numbers? But I
Speaker 2: have to give you the numbers first, Okay, seventy five
Speaker 2: catches essentially a thousand yards, nine hundred and ninety eight
Speaker 2: eight point eight touchdowns, so nine touchdowns, so call it
Speaker 2: one thousand and nine and seventy five catches. The seventy
Speaker 2: five catches is the thing that's throwing me.
Speaker 3: Off here, So fourteen and change.
Speaker 2: I don't I told you I don't have the answer.
Speaker 3: Oh you don't have the answer.
Speaker 2: Oh, I said I don't have the answer. I'm asking
Speaker 2: what do you think when you hear that projection? What
Speaker 2: do you think the projected numbers? I'm going to ask
Speaker 2: what they did here because you just said he misses
Speaker 2: one to two games. So do you think seventy five
Speaker 2: catches is him playing fifteen weeks or fourteen weeks? Or
Speaker 2: do you think seventy five catches is him playing ten
Speaker 2: games or twelve games?
Speaker 3: I think I think that's closer to fourteen or fifteen,
Speaker 3: that would be my guest.
Speaker 2: So really, okay, I mean just but he's like a
Speaker 2: target monster. I would think if he's only missing two games,
Speaker 2: he's probably still catching like eighty five to ninety yeah.
Speaker 3: One hundred and seventy targets. But that was also you're
Speaker 3: I guess you're right because I was in fifteen games
Speaker 3: this first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm san.
Speaker 3: It's also I think, yeah, I don't know, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: that might be missing a month.
Speaker 2: This is like twelve games. To me, this is like
Speaker 2: a twelve game marker. He plays based on this projections,
Speaker 2: which is still high. So if he were to beat that,
Speaker 2: does that look like if if he catches was it
Speaker 2: seventy five catches? If he catches eighty eight for twelve
Speaker 2: hundred and ten touchdowns, that's a top ten you know
Speaker 2: what that is. That's George Pickens who has eighty seven
Speaker 2: catches twelve to fifty one and nine touchdowns. That's more
Speaker 2: of his production. So just something to think about with
Speaker 2: miliite neighbors projections. I would love to know what their
Speaker 2: game total is, But seventy five catches to me, doesn't
Speaker 2: vibe to missing two games. That's like a month of games.
Speaker 3: That's four Yeah, I think you're right, but we.
Speaker 2: Don't know what the injury is gonna look like. So
Speaker 2: are you do you think we should be a little
Speaker 2: bit more hesitant that it should be like we think
Speaker 2: he's only going to play twelve games this coming season,
Speaker 2: twelve to thirteen, or he only misses one or two games.
Speaker 3: I would say one or two. That would be my
Speaker 3: My initial thought process is like this isn't good for
Speaker 3: the beginning of the year. But I don't think that,
Speaker 3: like if this was anything more than a cleanup, like
Speaker 3: a cleanup isn't normal. But if it was anything more
Speaker 3: than a cleanup, I think they would have said something
Speaker 3: at this point. They might not I'll say, I'm looking
Speaker 3: at uh, I'm trying to see in a different projection thing.
Speaker 3: If so that the games that I'm seeing for him
Speaker 3: on ESPN's just to look at a different one, because
Speaker 3: they have games. It does say fifteen and that is
Speaker 3: what was their projection one hundred and twenty targets, seventy
Speaker 3: six catches, one thousand and three yards and seven scores,
Speaker 3: So that's more representative of that.
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure I buy that. I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: they just think Dart's gonna you're gonna have just like
Speaker 2: a But what was the I'm sorry, what was the
Speaker 2: target to catch ratio? How many targets.
Speaker 3: For the projection or for what he had in his
Speaker 3: first for the projection it was one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: targets and seventy six catches.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a pretty garbage catch rate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so was his first year one hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy targets one hundred and nine.
Speaker 2: Who the hell was his quarter Who did the quarterback play?
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I think he might be.
Speaker 3: I think Dart is way better. But is Dark gonna
Speaker 3: stay on the field because he lowers his head like
Speaker 3: you know, can't he learned it from Cam Scataboo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 3: Actually that was Daniel Jones for the most part, DJ,
Speaker 3: Drew Locke, Tommy DeVito.
Speaker 2: Interesting Also, Giants GM said they expect Milk Neighbors to
Speaker 2: be ready for week one. The quote was, I think
Speaker 2: I still think he'll be fine week one, so we'll
Speaker 2: see he's training in the right direction.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that. I means you might
Speaker 3: as well ask me. I think he's training in the
Speaker 3: right direction. Like, it doesn't matter what we think, you know,
Speaker 3: it is a setback. Regardless of what they say. He
Speaker 3: may be ready for week one, but this is a
Speaker 3: setback for him being ready for week one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there just might be some room for
Speaker 2: growth in there. I just want to throw that out there. Anything.
Speaker 2: George Pickens got really aggressive projections. I didn't look. I mean,
Speaker 2: because we can move on but like Ttero McMillan is
Speaker 2: like right next to Milak neighbors projects. And that's the
Speaker 2: full season.
Speaker 3: The one that concerns me the most is Chris Olave.
Speaker 3: And I still like Olave. I still have him at twelve.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be a good wide receiver
Speaker 3: this year. But I'll say this, I think that Chris
Speaker 3: Olave relied a lot on volume.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He doesn't create after the catch. He didn't didn't have
Speaker 3: a lot of yak at all last year. He doesn't
Speaker 3: make tacklers miss at all. He catches and you know,
Speaker 3: either streaks of the end zone because he's it's a
Speaker 3: deep pass and he's not touched, or he falls down,
Speaker 3: and so there's there's the yak is when he's wide open.
Speaker 3: He's not making guys miss, so he's not doing it
Speaker 3: on his own. He's fall dependent. And the Saints bring
Speaker 3: in Jordan Tyson in the first round. They're bringing Bryce Lance,
Speaker 3: and they bring in Oscar Delp they signed Travis at Chen, Like,
Speaker 3: there are extra pieces to this offense this year that
Speaker 3: I think are going to pull away from Olave. So
Speaker 3: I think his floor became bigger. Ceiling is still fine.
Speaker 3: I mean Tyson is starting with a hamstring injury and
Speaker 3: he is the main competition for target, so he may
Speaker 3: miss time to start the year as well. But I
Speaker 3: think Chris o'lave just his floor is way bigger than
Speaker 3: I think people are giving credit for.
Speaker 2: And Olave. I don't know if I said it. His
Speaker 2: projections were higher than Nico ninety four catches, twelve hundred yards,
Speaker 2: eight touchdowns. That's pretty damn good. That's right next to
Speaker 2: AJ Brown. Next tier, you've got seventeen through twenty seven,
Speaker 2: so that is, you know, the back half of wide
Speaker 2: receiver twos into wide receiver threes. You've got Garrett Wilson
Speaker 2: coming in at seventeen, Zay Flowers at eighteen, Lad McConkie,
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin, a Mecca Agbuca, Jalen Waddle, followed by Devonte
Speaker 2: Adams a twenty three, Luther Burden, Jamison Williams, Mike Evans,
Speaker 2: and Chris Christian Watson at twenty seven. Big group here,
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff, a lot of players to kind
Speaker 2: of hit. But one I know you've been Fantasy pros
Speaker 2: loves to pull the clip and put them out there
Speaker 2: and people yell at you is Zay Flowers, and Zay
Speaker 2: Flowers has got some pretty high projections. I believe Flowers
Speaker 2: is projected as like the thirteenth or fourteenth highest. He's
Speaker 2: actually the final of the two hundred plus fantasy points
Speaker 2: on just a basic half PPR, he's the last one
Speaker 2: projected of two hundred or more. So he's right next
Speaker 2: to Nico eighty three catches, twelve hundred yards, seven touchdowns. Statistically,
Speaker 2: last year he had one hundred and eighteen targets, eighty
Speaker 2: six catches, twelve hundred and five touchdowns, and had fourteen
Speaker 2: point three Fantasy points per game, which was higher than
Speaker 2: anybody on the whole list we talked about except DeVante Adams,
Speaker 2: and DeVante Adams was obviously propped up by the absolutely
Speaker 2: ridiculous touchdown equity that he had. So, I know you're
Speaker 2: a big Zay Flower guy. Do you want a wax
Speaker 2: on Zay Flowers, because he definitely I would think in
Speaker 2: your mind you actually have him Matt at ECR, which
Speaker 2: is funny, but based on you know what I've heard
Speaker 2: you talk about, he might be kind of a value here.
Speaker 2: He is projected higher than where he's being ranked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, okay, So say seventh and wide receiver
Speaker 3: points thirteenth. In points per games, he is third and
Speaker 3: teen yards only Jasn and Puka were higher. Seventh in
Speaker 3: yards per route run, ninth in yards per target second,
Speaker 3: mistackles fourth among wide receivers eighth and miss tackles fourth,
Speaker 3: force per reception tenth and YAK eighteenth and yak per
Speaker 3: catch eighthen yards per target over expected. There is a
Speaker 3: lot of room for growth for Zay Flowers, and this
Speaker 3: offense is going to change and get more vertical and
Speaker 3: pass more. I think, you know, everyone always complains about
Speaker 3: the lack of touchdowns. Lack of touchdowns, Yeah, okay, but
Speaker 3: the offense is changing. There's going to be more opportunities
Speaker 3: for everybody for touchdowns in my opinion, and he doesn't
Speaker 3: have to live on that. He can live off of
Speaker 3: reception and specifically if you're in a PPR league, but
Speaker 3: still fine for half PPR. I think there's just they
Speaker 3: brought in guys like Sarrat and Jacoby Lane, but no
Speaker 3: one to really challenge him. I think bigger than adding
Speaker 3: Sarat is losing Isaiah likely, So I think there's just
Speaker 3: a lot of targets for him, and I think they're
Speaker 3: going to pass more, and I think this offense is
Speaker 3: going to be more efficient with it. And he's just
Speaker 3: great with the ball in his hand, so if he
Speaker 3: gets more volume, there's just way more on the board.
Speaker 3: And he are already finished seventh last year, so big.
Speaker 2: And he's really weird too because check this out. He
Speaker 2: is eighteenth ECR wide receiver, so that's the rankers. He's
Speaker 2: sixteenth on ADP, so that means rankers are undervalume versus
Speaker 2: where he's going in drafts currently, and he's fourteenth among projections,
Speaker 2: so his projection is higher than both where he's ranked
Speaker 2: and he's actually going in drafts, so just you know,
Speaker 2: fourth round. He's going in the fourth round right now,
Speaker 2: that you know, might be like a really good value
Speaker 2: based on kind of everything we just talked about picking
Speaker 2: back up on this tier seventeen through twenty seven. Mentioning
Speaker 2: the points per game, Luther Burden was the only one
Speaker 2: of this whole group that averaged less than ten points
Speaker 2: a half PPR per game, probably the very first half,
Speaker 2: second half type of thing. Your big points per game
Speaker 2: guys were Garrett Wilson, Jay Flowers, Davante Adams and maybe
Speaker 2: you could throw Christian Watson in there everybody. Jamison Williams
Speaker 2: is kind of like right on the fringe targets. Most
Speaker 2: targets actually went to a Mecca Agbuca who had one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven, Who's now gonna be thrust into
Speaker 2: you know whatever you want to call it the number
Speaker 2: one role to Mike Evans roll whatever. They still got
Speaker 2: Chris Godwin. Of course, Zay Flowers was number two with
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighteen. Lad McConkie at one o six,
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams at one fourteen catches. We went to Zay
Speaker 2: Flowers by a country mile man eighty six. The next
Speaker 2: closest of this tier was Lad McConkie at sixty six.
Speaker 2: Zay Flowers and Jamison william the only players to go
Speaker 2: over one thousand yards. DeVante Adams was the only double
Speaker 2: digit touchdown guy of the group. So that gives you
Speaker 2: kind of a little baseline. Let's talk about a mechag
Speaker 2: Buka real quick. Do you think it's fair that people
Speaker 2: should put higher expectations on a Mecca egg Buka because
Speaker 2: Mike Evans is gone, he gets to I mean there,
Speaker 2: they've got a robust wide receiver corps like They're never
Speaker 2: short of that. They've got talented guys. But should people
Speaker 2: just put a Mecca egg Buka into Mike Evans' role
Speaker 2: knowing Chris Godwin can still eat because of the talk of
Speaker 2: the town right now, I think people freak out about
Speaker 2: Chris Godwin. But is it fair to do that or
Speaker 2: do you think the expectations are going to get a
Speaker 2: little high because a Mecca did disappear in that offense
Speaker 2: a little bit on the back half of last year.
Speaker 3: You're right, he did disappear, But I think there are
Speaker 3: two things going on there. I think number one was
Speaker 3: probably a little bit of the rookie wall right, and
Speaker 3: number two is he you know, Baker Mayfield was really
Speaker 3: hurt at the end, so he was not the same
Speaker 3: guy in the second half. So I think that affected
Speaker 3: the entire offense, not just in Mecca. So but do
Speaker 3: I think there should be higher expectations, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: But I also so think that he's not Mike Evans.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna score twelve touchdowns. I don't think you
Speaker 3: should expect that from him. Wide receiver won for this
Speaker 3: team absolutely, and I think the ceiling is very high
Speaker 3: for a Meccagbuka because we've seen, you know, Chris Godwin
Speaker 3: get hurt, Jay McMillan has missed a bunch of time,
Speaker 3: and after that it does get kind of thin. It
Speaker 3: would be Ted Johnson, who was nice when he had
Speaker 3: to play last year, and then rookie in Ted Teddy Hurst.
Speaker 3: So but they do have two really nice pass catching
Speaker 3: backs as well, and Bucky and Kenneth Gainwell. So I
Speaker 3: think I think a Mecca is gonna be fine here.
Speaker 3: I think you should expect him to be a wide
Speaker 3: receiver too, But to expect him to be Mike Evans,
Speaker 3: who is a no doubt Hall of Famer, is a
Speaker 3: bit much.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this then, because he comes in
Speaker 2: at wide receiver twenty one on ECR, you have two
Speaker 2: guys that you have to make an argument that are
Speaker 2: gonna bounce back after poor years. You have both Ladd
Speaker 2: McConkie and Jalen Waddle ahead of a Mecca Buka in
Speaker 2: your personal ranks. Ladd is higher on consensus like in general,
Speaker 2: but I guess not so much about a Mecca. Do
Speaker 2: you really believe that Ladd and Jalen Wattle are both
Speaker 2: going to make bounce backs Ladds is new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: and obviously Jaylen Wattle with a new team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think Ladd is going to work
Speaker 3: really well in this system, and I think he's still
Speaker 3: the most talented among the Chargers wide receivers. I no
Speaker 3: QJ is getting a lot of love, and I know
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniels has talked a lot about how good QJ
Speaker 3: is going to be and how he needs to rip
Speaker 3: the top off the league and everybody. But he talks
Speaker 3: about that to everybody. You know, he said Brendan Thompson
Speaker 3: is going to be the next Tyreek Hill. So let's
Speaker 3: not not take what Mike McDaniel says with that much.
Speaker 3: You know, you got to take everything he says with
Speaker 3: a grain of salt. So Jaalen Wattle going from the
Speaker 3: mess of Miami's offense in Tua to bo nicks In
Speaker 3: being the number one for this Den offense is I
Speaker 3: think just a great step. So yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be more in on Wattle and Ladd. I think Ladd
Speaker 3: is probably riskier because I think the floor drops out
Speaker 3: a little bit more for him. But we saw from
Speaker 3: his rookie season that ceiling is really high, So I'm
Speaker 3: willing to take those guys over in Meca right now.
Speaker 2: Do you think at all, because I know you know
Speaker 2: there's conflicting stuff in here. I'm with Pat, but I'm
Speaker 2: also a homer about this. Pat and I both agree
Speaker 2: that Mike Evans seems kind of criminally underrated here, and
Speaker 2: I think it is driven heavily because you got to
Speaker 2: believe this. It is heavily driven by the fact that
Speaker 2: Mike Evans could lead the league in touchdowns, So you
Speaker 2: have to be a Mike Evan said three touchdowns last year.
Speaker 2: He's going to a new San Francisco offense, so I
Speaker 2: think you've got to live in a world where you
Speaker 2: think that's going to have like a heavy increase. And again,
Speaker 2: I think projections really struggle when a player has a
Speaker 2: bad touchdown on season in being able to do that.
Speaker 2: Because Mike Evans is projected for less touchdowns than DJ Moore,
Speaker 2: less touchdowns than Christian Watson, I have a hard time
Speaker 2: believing Mike Evans is gonna have less than ten touchdowns.
Speaker 2: I think he looks like one of the better, buy
Speaker 2: more criminally underrated players because the San Francisco offense can
Speaker 2: move through not having to worry about too much going
Speaker 2: to Christian McCaffrey once Kittle is back, and then he's
Speaker 2: gonna become a big red zone option. But like party's
Speaker 2: gonna find him the ball. I look at him coming
Speaker 2: in at twenty six as a wide receiver three, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, not like, I think I think he
Speaker 2: should be much higher. Maybe this is just a tier conversation,
Speaker 2: but you actually physically have him ranked lower, So maybe
Speaker 2: you just do not believe that. But what is your take?
Speaker 2: The projections again on Mike Evans are sixty three catches
Speaker 2: essentially nine hundred yards and six and a half touchdowns.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think those are right, because how many
Speaker 3: games is he gonna play? I think that's the big
Speaker 3: question because he's had injuries the last two years, last
Speaker 3: year obviously being way worse than the year before four.
Speaker 3: But you know, it seems like these soft tissue issues
Speaker 3: keep happening with Mike Evans. So I mine is more
Speaker 3: of a concern about how I think you just bake
Speaker 3: him in for four miss games and I hope it's
Speaker 3: not more than that at this point in his career. So,
Speaker 3: and he's going to a new offense with a new quarterback.
Speaker 3: Sometimes there's adjustment, sometimes there's not, So I'll admit that
Speaker 3: there's but I think that's what makes wide receiver deep.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of ceiling with a lot
Speaker 3: of these players, but the further down you get, the
Speaker 3: more floor we see with them as well. And I
Speaker 3: just think there's a lot of floor from Mike Evans
Speaker 3: with his you know, wonky hamstring at this point in
Speaker 3: his career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, picking up some of the projections that I kind
Speaker 2: of jumped by, just to make sure you guys have
Speaker 2: someone who's some guys we talked about. Okay, So of
Speaker 2: the two bounce back wide receivers, lad McConkie is projected
Speaker 2: higher than Jalen Wattle. Laddi McConkie at seventy seven catches
Speaker 2: only nine hundred and eighty seven yard, six and a
Speaker 2: half touchdowns. Wattle seventy five catches two with six touchdowns.
Speaker 2: And when we compare him against Mechagua Mecha Buca is
Speaker 2: sixty nine catches, almost eleven hundred yards and almost eight touchdowns.
Speaker 2: So just interesting. Both of the your bounce back guys
Speaker 2: projected quite a bit lower and a Mecca projected much higher.
Speaker 2: In that range Luther Burton. Do you think Luther Burden
Speaker 2: should be the top Chicago wide receiver in projections and drafts.
Speaker 2: I know there's some people that are trying to push
Speaker 2: Roma Dunsday. You think Burden belongs in this territory?
Speaker 3: I mean, I do I have. I have Burden at
Speaker 3: twenty I have Rome at twenty five. I think the
Speaker 3: ceiling is higher for Luther. There's probably a little bit
Speaker 3: of Pat Fitzmorris bias in me because Pat is the
Speaker 3: biggest defender of Luther Burden, I think maybe on the planet.
Speaker 3: But I know Luther Burden was a massive, massive prospect
Speaker 3: in college. He was great at Missouri except for when
Speaker 3: he was hurt. And there's a lot of upside here,
Speaker 3: specifically with DJ Moore going by the wayside. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think Rome probably has a higher floor
Speaker 3: than Luther Burton, but Luther burn definitely has the higher ceiling,
Speaker 3: and for the most part, I want ceiling.
Speaker 2: Who of this tier seventeenth through twenty seven again, it's
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, Flowers, mconkey, McLaurin, at Mecca, Waddell, Adams, Burden, Williams,
Speaker 2: Evans Watson. Who do you think has the highest ceiling
Speaker 2: of all these wide receivers.
Speaker 3: The highest ceiling of this group is probably DeVante again
Speaker 3: because Stafford and all the touchdown opportunity for him.
Speaker 2: Okay, who do you think is the biggest chance to
Speaker 2: bust of this group?
Speaker 3: Definitely Christian Watson. Christian Watson has had injury issues throughout
Speaker 3: his career. Even last year he was great, played ten games,
Speaker 3: So Christian Watson is one that makes me the most nervous.
Speaker 2: And then who are the two wide receivers you're most
Speaker 2: likely to draft from this range?
Speaker 3: Zay? I think, and probably, I mean in any league
Speaker 3: I'm not with you, I'm probably still gonna roster Mike Evans,
Speaker 3: So probably Zay. And I'll say I'll say Wattle based
Speaker 3: on where I have him ranked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think based on your rank of Evans, you're
Speaker 2: going to struggle with me or not without me, because
Speaker 2: you're lower than consensus. And I think you're just gonna
Speaker 2: have part of a league that's in the camp that
Speaker 2: projections and everything are just undercutting. And then you're gonna
Speaker 2: have part.
Speaker 3: Of the league like ADP because I bet you his
Speaker 3: ADP is lower than his rank because people look at
Speaker 3: Mike Evans and they go, eh, he's old. I'm telling
Speaker 3: you in rooms, I bet I bet you it's lower.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's look, I'm gonna say what was I clicked
Speaker 2: on running back? I want to say higher, But you
Speaker 2: know what, you could be right it is. I know
Speaker 2: I was right twenty four. He's a twenty fourth, twenty
Speaker 2: fourth wide receiver, twenty six on this list, and you
Speaker 2: have him at like twenty eight. So yeah, into wide
Speaker 2: receiver too. So that's why I'm saying, like, I think
Speaker 2: he's above Mike Adams or DeVante Adams orr. I was
Speaker 2: looking at Mike Evans name Devant. He's one spot above
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams in ADP right now, because I think, I
Speaker 2: just think you're gonna be split. You're gonna have your
Speaker 2: group that's like, oh no, he's kind of injured and
Speaker 2: dah da da, and then you're gonna have this group
Speaker 2: that's like we're completely under selling. Like Kittle might miss time,
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers score a whole bunch, like Mike
Speaker 2: Evans is going to be party's most absolute favorite red
Speaker 2: zone threat.
Speaker 3: The forty nine ers and an injury prone player. What's
Speaker 3: the worst that could happen?
Speaker 2: It's a Spider Man meme. But it's just all, you know,
Speaker 2: fifty players staring at each other in a hospital. Hundred
Speaker 2: percent all right. The next tier, this is twenty eight
Speaker 2: through forty, So this is the back half of wide
Speaker 2: receiver threes into flexi wide receiver fours, starting with Roma
Speaker 2: Dunes at twenty eight. DJ Moore comes in at twenty nine,
Speaker 2: Carnel Tate at thirty so we get some murky action.
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce at thirty one, Marvin Harrison at thirty two,
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, Courtland Sutton, Brian Thomas, Chris Godwin. I stopped
Speaker 2: there for a second. That is the end of the
Speaker 2: twelve team. Wide Receiver three is at thirty six. There
Speaker 2: are four more players in this tier. It is Michael Wilson,
Speaker 2: Jordan Tyson, Parker Washington, and Jacoby Myers. Just a few
Speaker 2: little noty things because it's tough to do all the
Speaker 2: stats here the projected points per game. There are four
Speaker 2: players that had projected twelve or more points per game.
Speaker 2: That was Roma Dune day, Alec Pierce, DK metcalf In,
Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton. All kind of messy. There is no messy reasons,
Speaker 2: you know, like Alec Pierce with you know, he gets time,
Speaker 2: he doesn't get time roma dunes like. It's all just
Speaker 2: very messy in those points per game hard to project.
Speaker 2: The highest target share went to Michael Wilson with one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six and Courtland Sutton at one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty four. Catch Wise, it's really gross. Michael Wilson
Speaker 2: actually had the most catches of anybody here seventy eight catches,
Speaker 2: followed by Sutton again at seventy four. I'm sorry, Jacoby
Speaker 2: Myers had seventy five, so he was right under Michael Wilson.
Speaker 2: Only three players had one thousand yards. That was Alec Pierce,
Speaker 2: Cortland Sutton and Michael Wilson again. And touchdowns seven from Sutton,
Speaker 2: seven from Williams and then just a kind of bunch
Speaker 2: of low totals that are in there. So there's a
Speaker 2: whole lot of stuff to get to. I want to
Speaker 2: poke you on this player, Alec Pierce. Alec Pierce jumpson
Speaker 2: to you know, be like a number one from the
Speaker 2: wide receiver standpoint. With the with Michael Pittman going to Pittsburgh,
Speaker 2: he's got some pretty interesting projections he has projected on
Speaker 2: the consensus projections Bogs, higher than Lad McConkie, higher than
Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton, higher than your boy Jalen Waddle or Luther Burden.
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce projected for sixty three catches over one thousand yards,
Speaker 2: closer to eleven hundred and seven touchdowns, right under kind
Speaker 2: of a doonsay in Jamison Williams and actually within four
Speaker 2: points of Terry McLaurin and half PPR. Do you think
Speaker 2: that is hyper aggressive or do you think people might
Speaker 2: be sleeping a little bit on Alec Pierce When he
Speaker 2: comes in at thirty one at wide receiver.
Speaker 3: He was going into the season completely healthy with no issues.
Speaker 3: I would probably say that this is fine, no issue,
Speaker 3: But right now he has some ankle issue, wasn't ready
Speaker 3: to go. In Oda's it said he's probably not going
Speaker 3: to be ready for the very start of training camp.
Speaker 3: So week one I think is in question for Alec
Speaker 3: Pierce right now. So I did in my most recent
Speaker 3: update lower Alec Pearson my ranking. So I think there
Speaker 3: are also issues with who is going to be his
Speaker 3: quarterback to start the season. I were thinking it's Daniel
Speaker 3: Jones coming off the Achille surgery, but I'm not one
Speaker 3: hundred percent sure so maybe right Riley Leonard for a
Speaker 3: handful of games. So I'm not there with Alec Pearce.
Speaker 3: I e great year last year, and Michael Pittman's gone,
Speaker 3: so there should be a lot of opportunity for Alec Pearce,
Speaker 3: but I'm just not quite there.
Speaker 2: To your point, ADP is actually with you when I
Speaker 2: say ECRs thirty one, Yes, ADP is actually thirty five.
Speaker 2: So almost pushed him out. So you've got like people
Speaker 2: liking him projections are the highest rankers kind of want
Speaker 2: to like him, but people can't come to terms of
Speaker 2: draft him right now because of the question marks that
Speaker 2: ADP probably drives much higher, probably into the twenties.
Speaker 3: If I was impressed by Alec Pierce last year, man
Speaker 3: like and and really my thing was he did it
Speaker 3: without Daniel Jones too, he did it with when Philip Rivers.
Speaker 3: He had some good games last season. So I do
Speaker 3: like Alec Pierce a lot. I just think he might
Speaker 3: get off to a slow start quarterback issues so interesting.
Speaker 3: Can I point out to get a lot of number
Speaker 3: ones too now, So just pointing out I think you
Speaker 3: and I had a little debate last year of Alec
Speaker 3: Pierce versus Marvin Harrison and Alec Pierce one hundred and
Speaker 3: eighty three points Marvin Harrison one hundred and twenty seven points.
Speaker 3: There definitely was a bet in there. I do not
Speaker 3: remember what it was, but I was definitely right about that.
Speaker 3: Scored more touchdowns, He scored way more fantasy points he had.
Speaker 3: We just had more everything than Marvin. But it actually
Speaker 3: this almost looks comical. It is weird seeing he scored
Speaker 3: almost sixty more points and he only had six more receptions,
Speaker 3: but he had four hundred more yards receiving two touchdowns,
Speaker 3: and Marv just kind of fell apart just that. I
Speaker 3: just literally just remembered that we had that. Marvin Kyler
Speaker 3: not buddies, right, They did not get along at all.
Speaker 2: So if people got on my case, I think about
Speaker 2: that too, me saying Alec Perce is just a better
Speaker 2: wide receiver than Marvin, and.
Speaker 3: It well do I crapped on Marvin in the Dynasty
Speaker 3: Show after complimenting him, I said, listen, I think Marvin
Speaker 3: Harrison is going to have a much better year this year, right,
Speaker 3: But if he doesn't have a good year in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six, we're done. I'm not making any more excuses
Speaker 3: we can't say, oh, well, when Arch comes in now,
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison is going to be way better, or when
Speaker 3: Julian sand whatever quarterback they get next year comes in
Speaker 3: is going to be this is going to be much better.
Speaker 3: No way, I'm done with it. If you can't succeed
Speaker 3: with Brissette or Kyler, you're probably just not that.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you these two questions. I was
Speaker 2: actually going to pair these took what people against each other,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna pair them against their own grouping because
Speaker 2: their guys are here. Do you think Marvin Harrison should
Speaker 2: be ranked above Michael Wilson? And I kind of know this.
Speaker 2: I'm actually shocked at your rank of Michael Wilson. Michael
Speaker 2: Wilson was one hundred percent the number one guy with
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett. So I'm a little confused by you have
Speaker 2: a twenty spot rank against I guess I need not
Speaker 2: ask that question. Why why do you have such a
Speaker 2: big gap between them when Michael Wilson outperformed Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: across the board.
Speaker 3: Because I don't think it's going to happen again, and
Speaker 3: I don't think that they're going to pass at the
Speaker 3: crazy volume that they did. Last season, they threw the
Speaker 3: ball more than any time anyone in the NFL, six
Speaker 3: hundred and forty nine times. They threw nine more times
Speaker 3: in the Bengals more times than the Broncos and the Rams,
Speaker 3: you know, So there is not going to be that
Speaker 3: many pass attempts. So when the pass attempts go down,
Speaker 3: Trey McBride is number one. Trey McBride is still number one.
Speaker 3: I think they're trying to push Marvin Harrison into number two, right,
Speaker 3: So I think Jeremiah Love is going to be third,
Speaker 3: and that now leaves Michael Wilson down at fourth in
Speaker 3: this pecking order, and Kendrick Horn is not a nothing.
Speaker 3: So I think there's just going to be way less
Speaker 3: volume overall for every Cardinal, but specifically for Michael Wilson.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me do this. I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: this math real quick, and there's definitely somewhere would have
Speaker 2: easily done it. So last year, not because I don't
Speaker 2: want to do the targets, because that's not fair, because
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson absolutely out targeted on a per game basis.
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison averaged six targets per game to seven point
Speaker 2: four for Michael Wilson per game with Jacoby Brissett, there
Speaker 2: a decent amount that doesn't do anything for that. You
Speaker 2: think there should be twenty spot differential even when Michael
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson was averaging on a game basis Okay, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: no more than you asked me the question three times. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: I just okay, that's fine, It's totally fine. You're Marvin
Speaker 2: Harrison guy. It's just like, this is one of those
Speaker 2: things where you see a guy I understand underutilized, and
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison is super talented, but it's like, why does
Speaker 2: like you have Michael Wilson not.
Speaker 3: Even it's going to be a different offense, you didn't.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with Parker Washington, by the way,
Speaker 3: which I'm low on MS. I'll just get that out too. Well,
Speaker 3: that's actually what I wanted to go to you about.
Speaker 2: I wanted to do. Do you buy back in on
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas When you see Parker Washington and Jacobe Myers
Speaker 2: they're all in the same tier, That to me is
Speaker 2: it becomes lazy. All three of them can't do that.
Speaker 2: So I think you either have to be like Brian
Speaker 2: Thomas is a bounce back or Parker Washington is the guy,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are making Parker Washington the guy.
Speaker 2: I guess unless they all just eat the hell into
Speaker 2: each other. But it looks like you kind of have
Speaker 2: a stance on the Jacksonville situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and shout out to Pat fitz Morris for pointing
Speaker 3: this out right. Like, we sat and watched the Jaguars
Speaker 3: draft Nate Porkature with their first pick, and everyone was like,
Speaker 3: what the hell is happening? A blocking tight end? You
Speaker 3: already have Brenton Strange. And then they went and got
Speaker 3: Tanner kozi All in the fifth who's a massive six
Speaker 3: foot seven monster of a tight end from Houston. Why
Speaker 3: are they doing this? Because it's a copycat league and
Speaker 3: they're gonna run thirteen personnel. And when you run thirteen personnel,
Speaker 3: which is what the Rams did and had a lot
Speaker 3: of success with it last year, they're copying Sean McVay
Speaker 3: and the Rams. You get one wide receiver in thirteen,
Speaker 3: and that wide receiver is going to be Brian Thomas.
Speaker 3: So Parker Washington's going to be off the field way more.
Speaker 3: When Jacoby Myers came in and they extended him, he
Speaker 3: had more targets and receptions than Parker Washington after Jacoby
Speaker 3: Myers came over. I think he's still a better wide receiver,
Speaker 3: and I think I like Parker Washington. I think what
Speaker 3: made Parker Washington as success last season is gone for
Speaker 3: this year. I don't think he's gonna be on the
Speaker 3: field nearly as much. So my pick for the Jaguars
Speaker 3: as ugly it's Brian Thomas, but it's honestly kind of
Speaker 3: nobody for the Jaguars. I don't think I'm gonna like
Speaker 3: anyone but Trevor Lawrence in that offense this year.
Speaker 2: Picking up some projections on some of those players that
Speaker 2: we talked about, I just lost it.
Speaker 3: It looks like.
Speaker 2: A yeah, Parker Washington is projected for more points than
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas this year, sixty two catches, eight eighty one
Speaker 2: and six touchdowns to Brian Thomas's fifty five, eight forty
Speaker 2: eight and five and a half touchdowns. So more catches,
Speaker 2: more yards, and more touchdowns for Parker Washington. That's really interesting.
Speaker 2: But more into what you were talking about are on
Speaker 2: your side is the Marvin Harrison versus Michael Wilson thing.
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison is projected closer to Luther Burden sixty nine
Speaker 2: catches nine to fifty and six touchdowns to Michael Wilson
Speaker 2: sixty six catches eight hundred and are on five touchdowns.
Speaker 3: And another thing about Michael Wilson that people don't realize
Speaker 3: it because it hasn't happened in the NFL, and I
Speaker 3: hope it's over with. But the dude was incredibly injured
Speaker 3: in college. That's why he was. He was better than
Speaker 3: where he went, which is why his success in the
Speaker 3: NFL isn't that surprising. Is a very good wide receiver,
Speaker 3: but it's very hurt in college. And I'm a little
Speaker 3: bit afraid of those things popping back up.
Speaker 2: Only other two things are going to throw out. The
Speaker 2: two rookie wide receivers. You have them next to each other,
Speaker 2: and you are quite a bit higher projections. Sixty seven
Speaker 2: catches nine to twenty and four touchdowns for Carnell Tait,
Speaker 2: sixty four catches run nine hundred yards and four and
Speaker 2: a half touchdowns for Jordan Tyson. You are ranked a
Speaker 2: bit higher. You have them as wide receiver threes. Tyson
Speaker 2: comes in as a wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 2: Tate. You actually have at consensus I didn't realize, but
Speaker 2: you're both You're in on both of those guys, so
Speaker 2: maybe there's more of a conversation around Tyson for a second.
Speaker 2: Just quick thoughts on the two rookie wide receivers.
Speaker 3: I think Carnel Tait is immediately your wide receiver one
Speaker 3: for the Titans. What does that mean with cam Ward?
Speaker 3: We're not one hundred percent sure, right, so, but I
Speaker 3: love the additions of Carnell Tate and Wandell Robinson. I
Speaker 3: think it makes this offense way way better. And I
Speaker 3: really Tate. Tate's upside is going to come from touchdowns
Speaker 3: and incredible plays, So a lot of chrys Olave like
Speaker 3: upside for our boy Tait and Tyson. Tyson is gonna
Speaker 3: it's gonna depend on what it is happening with his hamstring,
Speaker 3: because the more I see of this hamstring, the less
Speaker 3: I'm going to be in. I'm gonna probably start lowering
Speaker 3: him pretty soon. If he's not ready to go for
Speaker 3: training camp, then I'm I'm probably gonna be out on Tyson.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of talent here and finally a
Speaker 3: number two target. I think they're just trying to surround
Speaker 3: Shook with so much talent, there's no excuses, and if
Speaker 3: he doesn't work then it's easy to bring a quarterback
Speaker 3: in and plug plug them in when you surround them
Speaker 3: with awesome weapons. So I think Tyson is very, very
Speaker 3: good and has a ton of upside in this tier.
Speaker 2: What wide receiver do you think has the most upside?
Speaker 2: You can do two if you want as well.
Speaker 3: The most upside. I mean, I think for what we've seen,
Speaker 3: it's probably still it's probably still Brian Thomas, right, I
Speaker 3: have him at thirty seven, so I'm just not his
Speaker 3: ECRs thirty five. I probably won't roster any Jacksonville guys,
Speaker 3: but in terms of upside, it is still him. And
Speaker 3: then what was the other one for?
Speaker 2: It was just if you wanted to do too? No,
Speaker 2: you want to do too, that's fine, but if you
Speaker 2: don't seem like you're super into the high guys of this.
Speaker 3: So Rama Doonsay man like Rama Donsay, I think is getting.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of Luther burdon love. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of coltson love and love, and I think Roma Donsay's
Speaker 3: being forgot about. So I think that Roma Donza has
Speaker 3: a ton of upside as well.
Speaker 2: What about the biggest bus one or two in this range.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you would probably say, I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like I could speak for you and say,
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson and Parker Washington and your biggest.
Speaker 3: Bus they are yes, Okay.
Speaker 2: The last tier not going to go into heavy breakdown
Speaker 2: because there's so many players. Just ask you a few questions.
Speaker 2: This is forty one through fifty six, so this is
Speaker 2: like second tier backup with a little bit of flex.
Speaker 2: Makay Lemon comes in at forty one, followed by Pittman,
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison, Wandel Robinson, Ricky Pirosaw, Quentin Johnston, Jayden Reid,
Speaker 2: and Josh Downs. That ends I think the wide receiver
Speaker 2: four top flex options. Then it goes to Xavier Worthy,
Speaker 2: Jayden Higgins, Khalil shak Here, Casey conception On, Romeo Dobs,
Speaker 2: Jalen Coker, Matthew Golden, and Rashid Shaheed. The question is
Speaker 2: maybe just kind of getting into this, what do you
Speaker 2: see as like any egregious early ranks Like this is
Speaker 2: kind of like the upside question, like are there are
Speaker 2: a couple guys in this range that you really love?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you might have guys ranked higher DA
Speaker 2: DA DAT, But like, who are a couple of guys
Speaker 2: that you really love in this range that you think
Speaker 2: should be ranked higher and maybe will continue to rise
Speaker 2: as the offseason goes on.
Speaker 3: I think Casey Kcepcion is a little low. I mean
Speaker 3: I have in ten spots higher than acr here I'm
Speaker 3: at forty two where he's at fifty two. I just
Speaker 3: think with the Browns specifically now that Miles Garrett's gone,
Speaker 3: they're going to be losing in so many games. Casey
Speaker 3: Concepcion might be the leading target for the Browns here,
Speaker 3: it could be Denzel Boston as well, it could continue
Speaker 3: to be Harold Fannin. That's what makes these guys a
Speaker 3: little bit risky and dicey. Plus who's going to be
Speaker 3: the quarterback? Watson or Sanders. So I understand a lower rank,
Speaker 3: but I think Concepcion comes in and is immediately the
Speaker 3: best wide receiver on the field for the brown So
Speaker 3: I think he's a little low. I also think in
Speaker 3: my ranking doesn't really show it. I think Jayden Reid
Speaker 3: is probably a little low. Wandale's probably a little low.
Speaker 3: I just think the volume for these guys is going
Speaker 3: to be nice specifically for you know, when we're talking
Speaker 3: about running backs, what's going on with Josh Shacobs, right
Speaker 3: and all of his stuff? And if Josh Shacobs isn't
Speaker 3: going to be there, the backups to him are Marshawn
Speaker 3: Lloyd and Chris Brooks. I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: lot of Jordan Love throwing the ball. So the wide
Speaker 3: receivers in Green Bay, including Watson, who I just don't
Speaker 3: like because he can't stay healthy, but he's very talented.
Speaker 3: I think all those guys, Matthew Golden, I think they
Speaker 3: all have really high ceilings, but they all have pretty
Speaker 3: decent floors too, because they can't all three stand out.
Speaker 2: Can you take a guess who the highest wide receiver
Speaker 2: of this group from a projection standpoint is?
Speaker 3: Is that going to be?
Speaker 2: Yeah? One?
Speaker 3: Guess? Okay, Quentin Johnston.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what, though, he was number two, Pusy
Speaker 2: damn not bad. I gotta give you credit because I
Speaker 2: get it wrong.
Speaker 3: You just said no, No.
Speaker 2: Very very close. But number one in the projected market
Speaker 2: is Wandel Robinson. And he scored the most points per game.
Speaker 2: I could tell you almost said him, you know, one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty targets last year, thirteen point six points
Speaker 2: per game. He goes to the Tennessee offense kind of
Speaker 2: like you said, you gotta don't know what we're in
Speaker 2: for with cam Ward and what this offense is going
Speaker 2: to look like. But what you kind of think is,
Speaker 2: like Wander Robinson's always had safety that option. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: maybe the ball moves a little bit more, maybe they
Speaker 2: move him out instead of like four yard outs, and
Speaker 2: Wando Robinson has nine catches for forty six yards. You know,
Speaker 2: it could be seven to eight catches and it's fifty
Speaker 2: to sixty yards and it's a little bit more. He
Speaker 2: is projected number one of this group. Number two was
Speaker 2: Quintin Johnson, number three. I just wanted to touch real quick.
Speaker 2: Do you have any opinions on your Pittsburgh Steelers, because
Speaker 2: that's Michael Pittman. He comes in with one hundred and
Speaker 2: forty seven yards, eighty two catches, a little south of
Speaker 2: eight hundred yards and five touchdowns. Obviously, DK Metcalf is higher,
Speaker 2: but Metcalf isn't insanely higher. Sixty two catches, nine hundred
Speaker 2: and six yards. You think either wide receiver is gonna
Speaker 2: separate themselves that you're gonna kind of want them as
Speaker 2: a target because they're a deal or is it just
Speaker 2: kind of a lah in that Pittsburgh Steeler offense.
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna find out quick who the one
Speaker 3: to ross is. My bet would still be that it's
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf, but the answer is probably nobody in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: It's Iron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You can't throw the ball downfield anymore. But that's just guys.
Speaker 2: That's why I'd like and well but see, that's why
Speaker 2: I like Pittman. Like they they they showed they couldn't
Speaker 2: do the deep stuff with Metcalf by throwing him those
Speaker 2: little screen passes and going he's great with the ball
Speaker 2: with you know after the catch him yeak, Michael. Pittman
Speaker 2: has always been pretty good at like ten and in
Speaker 2: and finding those little spots. I actually think Pittman might
Speaker 2: become a really good safety and full PPR. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: like Pittman, I think a little bit more. Maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: maybe that creates more separation from Metcalf or something, but
Speaker 2: I think Pittman is a guy that could end up
Speaker 2: having more targets. Metcalf is just the more explosive playmaker.
Speaker 3: I think everybody's gonna be wrong. It's probably gonna be
Speaker 3: Pat Fryerman without a yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But I do think it's going to be like, you know,
Speaker 3: with the touchdowns. Maybe these guys blow up to wide
Speaker 3: receiver one every once in a while, but it's gonna
Speaker 3: be like, Okay, one week it was Pittman with three
Speaker 3: catches and Metcalf with seven. In the next week it
Speaker 3: was Pittman with seven and DK with three. It's gonna
Speaker 3: depend on coverage and all that stuff, but they got
Speaker 3: the big wide receivers to play bully ball and run
Speaker 3: like that's why they got them missed to block.
Speaker 2: So uh, any guys that you're gonna want to make
Speaker 2: sure a couple guys, I think you You obviously like
Speaker 2: Casey Conception and that's probably one. Any other players you
Speaker 2: think you're gonna be rostering this is your kind of tier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that in this tier, oh Man Wandale
Speaker 3: is a good one. So and I'm a little bit
Speaker 3: higher on him. I'm pretty positive on Makaya Lemon now
Speaker 3: that AJ Brown is gone, and I'm higher on Romeo Dobbs.
Speaker 3: I think that you know AJ Brown is probably going
Speaker 3: to open up stuff for Romeo Dobbs. So those are
Speaker 3: probably the three that I'm most likely to I'm probably
Speaker 3: I'm pretty lukewarm on Josh Downs. I know a lot
Speaker 3: of people really love Josh Downs with Pittman leaving and
Speaker 3: all that stuff, but you know, digging into Josh Downs,
Speaker 3: he catches the ball really well for a small guy.
Speaker 3: He's really great in contested situations. But he doesn't get yack.
Speaker 3: He's not an end zone threat. That's more Tyler Warren
Speaker 3: down there and way more Alec Pierce down there. And
Speaker 3: JT scores all the touchdowns he had eighteen last year.
Speaker 3: So I just think if Josh Downs is going to
Speaker 3: do work, it's going to be in PPR leagues.
Speaker 2: Only another guy. I hate doing this, but like, just
Speaker 2: pay attention to Ricky Pierce. So I hate doing this
Speaker 2: as forty nine Ers fan, but like just want to
Speaker 2: point out if you have Mike if you and I
Speaker 2: know you're a couple of spots are if you have
Speaker 2: Mike Evans there, Mike Evans is going to force a
Speaker 2: decent amount of the attention on the offense, and if
Speaker 2: he doesn't immediately, he's going to end game because he'll
Speaker 2: get targets. So you've got the backfield of Christian McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: you've got one side of the field at Mike Evans.
Speaker 2: And what did Ricky Piersoll proved to be? Ricky Piarsol
Speaker 2: did prove to be a little Jamison williamsz in that,
Speaker 2: Like he's gonna make some big plays, but perty's not
Speaker 2: afraid to sling the ball to him. So Piarsaw might
Speaker 2: not be some magnet, huge monster, but eight point nine
Speaker 2: fantasy points per game, I think that could decently go up.
Speaker 2: He could be a dark horse for a thousand yards.
Speaker 2: If he stays healthy for the entirety of the season,
Speaker 2: he might get a few more targets. And he's going
Speaker 2: down here at forty five. I just you know, I
Speaker 2: think you probably studo agree with me. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's like a massive target, but it's like a wide
Speaker 2: receiver like five or something like that.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I mean I don't think that's bad, not
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: I'm eight and thirty two receiving yards.
Speaker 3: He's projected for who knows who is going to lead
Speaker 3: the Niners, you know what I mean, Like it's probably
Speaker 3: gonna be christ McCaffrey, but it could easily be Ricky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting stuff. There you go, fifty six wide receivers.
Speaker 2: That's the ECR. Obviously you can go to Fantasy Pro
Speaker 2: check out their ECR and ADP. Those are not necessarily
Speaker 2: our ranks. This is what the consensus looks like. But
Speaker 2: this gets you set to some of the projections, what
Speaker 2: the tiers look like, the valuations, and in some spots
Speaker 2: very interesting where it's like rank versus ADP versus projection
Speaker 2: and how different they are. Hopefully that got you guys
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