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So in a piece over at Iran International, 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:42,320 which is a London based anti Iranian regime outfit, All 12 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:48,520 rash Zor Robbie is the author, headline A pause with 13 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:54,479 opposing terms What Washington wanted, what Tehran demanded? He says 14 00:00:54,479 --> 00:00:57,560 the details are still incomplete. With the positions that Tehran 15 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:01,479 and Washington have publicly tied to the ceasepe suggests not 16 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,120 a shared settlement so much as a temporary halt layered 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:11,760 over unresolved hostilities. The precise texts are still only partly visible, 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:12,400 if at all. 19 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:13,719 Speaker 1: Donald Trump came out today and. 20 00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:17,519 Speaker 2: Said nobody knows what they're talking about on these points 21 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:21,519 that are being reported on the White House never publicly 22 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,879 confirmed the full contents of the US fifteen point proposal, 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,680 saying only that some reporting had quote elements of truth 24 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,359 but was not entirely factual, while Iranian state and semi 25 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:37,599 official media published a far more detailed public account of 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,439 Tehran's own terms, but enough has emerged to show how 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,719 far apart the two sides are. Public reporting on the 28 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,599 US proposal described a plan centered on rolling back Iran's 29 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:55,120 nuclear and missile capabilities, curbing support for allied armed groups, 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:01,159 and reopening the Strait of Hormuz. Iran's ten point plan 31 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:07,519 pointed in the opposite direction. It sought recognition of enrichment, 32 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:15,240 sweeping sanctions, relief, compensation, continued influence over Hojurormus, US military 33 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,520 withdrawal from the region, and an end to attacks on 34 00:02:18,759 --> 00:02:24,039 Iran and its terrorist proxies, which, by the way, Iran 35 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,240 has said that that was part of their ten points 36 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,319 that are part of the ceasefire, that Israel has to 37 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:36,159 stop attacking has Bala in southern Lebanon, and both now 38 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,639 Trump and the Israelis have said, yeah, no, that's that 39 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,919 was not part of the deal at all, and they 40 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:53,039 have continued hammering Hasbala. Iran has continued hammering UAE Bahrain 41 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,520 trying to think there was Well, they basically hit like 42 00:02:57,599 --> 00:03:00,759 every one of their neighbors. Still, so somebody asked in 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,120 the text line, why is that still occurring so many? 44 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: There could be several different reasons. 45 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: I don't know why, but one of the reasons could 46 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:16,479 be that because the Iranian government implemented their quote mosaic 47 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:23,759 strategy after the Twelve Day War, Operation Midnight Hammer. After that, 48 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,680 they decentralized authority, and so you have all of these 49 00:03:30,039 --> 00:03:33,240 military units and the missile launcher groups and stuff that 50 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,960 are all around the country, and so they gave them 51 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,759 autonomy to make their own decisions in the event of 52 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:46,599 another kind of war that comes onto their territory. So 53 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,599 those individual units and launcher groups and all that stuff, 54 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,719 they're making these decisions without any kind of instruction from 55 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,840 the military leadership. 56 00:03:58,439 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: So that's one possibility. 57 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:03,919 Speaker 2: In fact, it happens a lot of times in war 58 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,840 where after one side surrenders or something, right, they the 59 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:11,479 word doesn't get back to all of the troops and 60 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:16,120 they end up, you know, having some battle technically after 61 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,040 the surrender, so that it does happen. 62 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:20,959 Speaker 1: So that's one possibility. 63 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:26,519 Speaker 2: Another possibility is that Iran is lying right, that they 64 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:30,800 have no intention of agreeing to any of these terms, 65 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,079 and they're just pushing out this propaganda for their own 66 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:41,000 domestic audience, their supporters, and they're trying to demoralize people 67 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,279 into thinking that they got all these concessions right, they 68 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,199 got they got the Americans to surrender basically. Now, I 69 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:50,639 don't know how that's going to work out for them, 70 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,560 because at some point, if you're not going to come 71 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,959 to terms of any kind, then like the bombs are 72 00:04:57,959 --> 00:04:59,600 going to start falling again, and then people are going 73 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,199 to be one ring. Will wait a minute, I thought 74 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,759 you said that we had come to terms and the 75 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:06,800 war was a defeat for the Americans, Like, why are 76 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,399 they still doing this stuff? And then I'm sure Iran 77 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:11,600 would say something like, oh, you know, they broke the 78 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,279 terms of the deal and now we will really fight 79 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,360 back by getting more of our stuff obliterated. So yeah, 80 00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:23,120 I don't know. But again, as I said earlier, my 81 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:25,839 default position is I don't trust anything that Aron says, 82 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:30,720 particularly in press releases. You know, and we've got you know, 83 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,519 one example from the the most the press releases that 84 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,720 they issued about these terms and the ceasefire, and they 85 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:43,160 wrote it differently in English than they did in Farsi. 86 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:49,240 So and that's standard. They tell their domestic audience in 87 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:53,560 their shared language. They tell them things and then tell 88 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,240 us the opposite. So the back to the piece. The 89 00:05:59,399 --> 00:06:02,519 distinction matters here because a ceasefire can stop the shooting 90 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,639 without answering the political question of what comes next. The 91 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,839 administration's stated war aims remained consistent through March and April. 92 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:16,639 Destroy Iran's missile arsenal and production capability, sever support for 93 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:20,120 the terrorist proxies, and ensure that Iran does not get 94 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,600 a nuclear weapon. And we heard a last hour in 95 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,680 his press conference, Pete Hegseth, Defense Secretary, he got up 96 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,360 there and he said, we know where the where the 97 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:35,319 enriched uranium is and we're watching it twenty four to seven, 98 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,160 and if they make any kind of a move to 99 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:43,600 get it, that would be unwise. The publicly reported US 100 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:47,759 plan and again remember the administration says that's not actually 101 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:52,240 the plan, Like some of that stuff is correct, but 102 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,720 some of it is not. So the US plans sought 103 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,000 to end enrichment inside Iran and dismantle the country's main 104 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,319 nuclear facilities. Tehran's published plan did the reverse Iranian media 105 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,120 versions of the ten point Framework explicitly demanded acceptance of 106 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:14,800 uranium enrichment, and some outlets reported that the phrase appeared 107 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:18,240 in the Farsi version, even though it was omitted from 108 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:22,720 some English versions that were shared publicly by Iranian media. 109 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,480 That is not a minor drafting dispute. It's a disagreement 110 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:33,040 over first principles. Also, the Trump administration said one of 111 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,519 its central objectives was to sever the support for Hezbala 112 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:42,040 and the Houtis and Hamas Right, Iran's public plan goes 113 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,560 the other direction. It called for an end to attacks 114 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,560 not only on Iran but on all of its quote allies, 115 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,879 and its ten point version included a halt to war 116 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,720 on all fronts, including Lebanon. And again, I point oubt 117 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,879 that both the Israeli go government and our government say no, 118 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,839 that's not part of this deal at all. The Prime 119 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:10,319 Minister of Israel on Twitter said Israel supports President Trump's 120 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,639 decision to suspend strikes against Iran for two weeks, subject 121 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,639 to Iran immediately opening the straits and stopping all attacks 122 00:08:17,639 --> 00:08:21,000 on the US, Israel, and countries in the region. Israel 123 00:08:21,079 --> 00:08:24,120 also supports the US effort to ensure that Iran no 124 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,920 longer possesses a nuclear missile and terror threat to America, Israel, 125 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,639 Iran's Arab neighbors. 126 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: And the world. 127 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: The United States has told Israel that it is committed 128 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,440 to achieving these goals shared by the US, Israel, and 129 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,759 Israel's regional allies in the upcoming negotiations. The two week 130 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:46,879 ceasefire does not include Lebanon, and Trump told PBS the 131 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:53,000 same thing earlier this afternoon. The IDF has continued to 132 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,320 conduct major operations in Lebanon against Hasbala, striking more than 133 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:03,559 one hundred targets at one Back to the piece at 134 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,919 Iran International the sanctions sorry, let me do this horrormos 135 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:15,159 right Washington said this was a condition for the ceasefire. 136 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:23,240 Tehran public versions of their ten point plan framed continued 137 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,440 Iranian control over Horror Mooz as part of the post 138 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,960 war order itself. The Guardian and the AP, as well 139 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,679 as IRGC media, reported that the ceasefire allowed passage under 140 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,360 Iranian military oversight. The AP also reported that Iran and 141 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:45,320 Oman could charge transit fees under the arrangement that may 142 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,000 have eased an immediate crisis in shipping, but it does 143 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:50,399 not mean the two sides agree on the underlying principle. 144 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,559 But then later today Oman said that it has signed 145 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:01,039 agreements that prohibit charging ships passing through the waterway. So again, like, 146 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,360 what is the Iranian government pushing out here? What are 147 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:04,759 they saying? 148 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:06,279 Speaker 1: You know? 149 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,879 Speaker 2: Stories are powerful. 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Pete Calender here, 168 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:12,480 thanks a lot for hanging out going over this quote 169 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:20,840 unquote ceasefire, which considering how far apart the quote plans, 170 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:24,240 you know, the US had a fifteen point plan and 171 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,000 Iran's got a ten point plan, and then Trump announces like, 172 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,759 We've got these ten points from Iran, and that's that's 173 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:39,639 a good enough spot to start negotiations over. But a 174 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,200 ceasefire is dependent on the immediate reopening of the Strait 175 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,759 of hormones, which they have apparently not done as far 176 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:51,399 as I know. I think two tankers made it through today, 177 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,799 but they were both with they were both flying under 178 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:00,000 the or had flags flying from countries that are are 179 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,080 friendly to Iran. So like, we don't know, and until 180 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,279 the insurance companies say this is legit, Okay, we'll cover 181 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,840 you again. Until that happens, the ships aren't going to move. 182 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,480 So it's an insurance thing I talked about this last week, right, 183 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:24,960 So the straight is not pacified, not quote unquote open, 184 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,399 and open just means you have a you know, a 185 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:32,919 high certain certainty level that you're highly confident that you 186 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:38,120 can get through without some Iranian you know, military person 187 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,000 on the shore shooting a drone into the side of 188 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,840 your boat. Okay, that because they're like, I'm not even 189 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:49,360 convinced that they have mined the Straight. I don't, like, 190 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,919 I've not seen any reporting of any kind of mining 191 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,240 operation that was thwarted or mines that were identified, or 192 00:12:56,399 --> 00:13:00,480 I've not seen anything like that. Their entire sub fleet 193 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:05,000 is sunk. I mean, there weren't that many, and they 194 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,799 were small, these little subs that were basically you know, 195 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,000 the only point of them was to go and attack tankers. 196 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:16,559 So they so what they've got is like some speed boats. 197 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,039 But mainly the problem is people on the shore up 198 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,039 on these cliffs that overlook the Straight and they're shooting 199 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,279 drones or you know, RPGs or something at the boats. 200 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: So they got to stop doing that. 201 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: Is it a lack of communication that has not you know, 202 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:41,320 they've not been told hey, we're in ceasefire stop because 203 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,519 of their mosaic strategy. How much time do we give 204 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,720 them for those orders to come down? I don't know. 205 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,480 But there is also because I'm looking at how far 206 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,799 apart these proposals are the fifteen points from US and 207 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,200 the ten points from them, and they're not lining up 208 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,879 at all, And nobody knows what Tehran may have agreed to. 209 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:14,399 So maybe something else is happening. Maybe this is a distraction, right, 210 00:14:14,519 --> 00:14:20,600 Maybe this is an announcement to give a a believable 211 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,960 cover story for a period of time for why we're 212 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,399 not flying any more missions? 213 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: Right? 214 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: Why is Israel and America not flying any more missions 215 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:34,600 over Iran? 216 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:36,759 Speaker 1: Is it because of the ceasefire? 217 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: Or is it so this way we don't inadvertently kill 218 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:47,279 innocent Iranians who maybe have gotten a bunch of weapons 219 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,960 by this point and are able to rise up against 220 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,200 this mosaic pattern that they've got. Because now you've got 221 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:02,559 these small groups of you know, Iranian militia and they're 222 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:08,720 cut off, right, it's fragmented, and so particularly in the 223 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:11,919 sort of areas when you get outside of Tehran and 224 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:18,080 kolm Qom like, that's where the IRGC has the most power. 225 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,600 Outside of those areas, though, there are people that are 226 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,279 less in favor of the regime. So if you've got 227 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:31,120 some military units and such that are scattered all around 228 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,240 the country in areas where people loathe the regime? Is 229 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:40,519 this to give them some opportunities to start taking on 230 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:46,679 some of the militia? Does this give space for more desertions? 231 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: Right? 232 00:15:47,759 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: People who flip allegiance and such the Iranian army, the 233 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,720 national Army, not the IRGC to some of those people 234 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,279 and leaders defect Like I don't know, but like, if 235 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,440 this is the cover story, why would we want to 236 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,759 suspend all of our flights? And the only reason I 237 00:16:08,799 --> 00:16:11,120 can think is because you don't want to kill innocent 238 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,200 people on the ground for whatever this operation might be 239 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:23,000 going to. Another big difference is the sanctions and troop presence. 240 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:28,919 The us IS reporting suggested sanctions relief would come in 241 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:34,440 exchange for major Iranian concessions on enrichment, missiles, and proxy activity. 242 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,879 Tran's public plan demanded the lifting of primary and secondary sanctions, 243 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,159 an end to UN and IAEA measures compensation as well, 244 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,679 and the withdrawal of US forces from the region. Trump 245 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,120 described Iran's ten point proposal as a workable basis for negotiations, 246 00:16:53,159 --> 00:16:56,120 but Washington did not accept any of the terms that 247 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:01,000 Tehran stated. The White House explicitly declined to confirm the 248 00:17:01,039 --> 00:17:04,880 full contents of the US proposal, and the Associated Press 249 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,519 reported that key details of the ceasefire remain unclear even 250 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:14,480 after the announcement. The safer conclusion is narrow. Tehran published 251 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:19,839 its expectations in unusually concrete form, while Washington left more 252 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:22,119 of its own position in the realm of reported outlines 253 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,240 and official war aims. That leaves both sides room to 254 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:29,680 claim success. Let them save some face here. Washington says 255 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:35,400 military pressure forced Tehran towards talks. Tehran says resistance forced 256 00:17:35,519 --> 00:17:38,880 Washington to step back from a wider assault and negotiate 257 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,720 from a different starting point. 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Message from Russ, who says Pete the Iranian 280 00:18:55,279 --> 00:19:00,759 translation of their ten point proposal and their press release 281 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:05,200 about it, the Iranian translation must be wrong. It's simply 282 00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:08,000 not possible that they would tell us one thing, then 283 00:19:08,039 --> 00:19:11,240 tell their side or conduct themselves in a totally different way. 284 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:14,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is their mo. 285 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:18,799 Speaker 2: It's why I don't believe anything the Iranian regime, says 286 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:24,759 Wes suggests instead of taking out power plants, take out 287 00:19:24,759 --> 00:19:30,160 transmission towers. Same result, but easily repaired after regime change. 288 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:39,759 That sure, I think I answered this already. 289 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: Seven oh four. 290 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: If Iran's military is decimated, how did they shoot off 291 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,799 eighty three plus drones across the Middle East and Israel today? 292 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:55,000 As WBT News reported, honest question. I don't have TDS. 293 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,359 I voted for him, but I still question all leaders. 294 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:04,200 That's from Cheryl. So the military is comprised of different components. 295 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,759 You've got the Navy, the Air Force, and the army. 296 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,799 The Navy is decimated, the air Force is decimated, and 297 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,160 you still have the army and so, and you still 298 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,720 have the IRGC. The IRGC is separate from the army, 299 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:23,440 but they do, you know, work together on operations and such. 300 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:30,079 But you also have these missile launching groups, but a 301 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:34,319 lot of them are afraid to launch because in order 302 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,480 to you know, to launch, you got to kind of 303 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:38,240 come out of hiding and you've got to power the 304 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:40,599 thing up, and after we see it, it's like boom, 305 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:44,119 you're dead. They have a lot of drones, they've had, 306 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:49,279 I mean they've had thousands and thousands and thousands of drones. 307 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,039 Speaker 1: And ballistic missiles. 308 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,039 Speaker 2: So, yes, they have these different groups operating under their 309 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:01,319 mosaic strategy. They have autonomy. They are army or they 310 00:21:01,319 --> 00:21:04,359 are IRGC and they're scattered all around the country. Still 311 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:08,119 they are still able to launch these attacks, which we 312 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:10,519 just heard in the newscast that they are claiming the 313 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:14,400 reason why they are launching the attacks is because Israel 314 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:21,480 continues to attack Hesbala in Lebanon, Israel and the White 315 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:27,480 House said that Lebanon was not part of the ceasefire deal. 316 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:34,559 Iran says it totally was. So again, like this is 317 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,319 very odd. There's, as I said before, like there is 318 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:45,000 some face saving kinds of things going on here. Probably right, 319 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,200 it's a big deal. You want to make sure that 320 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:50,799 for your domestic audience. You know, the Iranians don't want 321 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:53,920 to be seen as having lost. So they're going to 322 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:56,720 flex and they're going to you know, take whatever face 323 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,839 saving offer is given them. Sure, but I'm also wondering 324 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:08,599 if they were pressured from China, Pakistan, whatever, Turkey, whatever, 325 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:14,559 if they got pressure to take the ceasefire offer, and 326 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:17,359 the US is interested in doing that because they want 327 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,480 to do something else, whether it's take carg Island or 328 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,160 it's to give the Iranian people a chance to rise up. 329 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,759 Speaker 1: I don't know. 330 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:34,599 Speaker 2: Because Reza Pavlavi. Pavlavi the son of the Shah. He 331 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,720 was supposed to be making a speech to the Iranian 332 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:44,920 people today going into the evening, so not sure what 333 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,119 time that is here local. I think, well, it may 334 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,640 have already happened. But like that to me, doesn't seem 335 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,599 coincidental that we are going to suspend the air campaign 336 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,799 based on this quote ceasefire that Iran does not seem 337 00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:03,000 to be doing any thing in compliance with, and then 338 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:07,519 the Pavla Viguy schedules and addressed to the Iranian people. 339 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,000 It seems like they may be looking to foment the 340 00:23:14,039 --> 00:23:17,160 regime change from among the Iranian people. 341 00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: And that's just a guess. I'm not an expert. 342 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: Let me see here, Mark says, I understand giving Sean time. 343 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:29,039 I blinked back watery eyes today as I actively listened 344 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,279 witnessing appropriate and gracious conversation. 345 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark. 346 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: I know we've talked a lot about the war in Iran, 347 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:40,119 but do you have any information on the Russia and 348 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,799 Ukraine war. I've not heard anything on the local news 349 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,440 or radio in a while. Well, Russia is from what 350 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,559 I the last I saw on that, I mean, Russia 351 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:52,200 has been working with Iran. They apparently sent them some 352 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:59,759 shipments of the drones, but they are bogged down with 353 00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:05,319 you Ukraine and I saw a report I think yesterday 354 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:13,920 that uh that Ukraine had Russia has lost more territory 355 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:17,480 in the last year than they actually gained. They've they've 356 00:24:17,519 --> 00:24:21,000 they've been losing some of the territory that they initially 357 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:30,519 stole that was from Kevy keV Seth says, hmm. One 358 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:32,880 reason the i RG is still fighting might be the 359 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,680 snake's head has been cut off, but the body still 360 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,039 wiggles around a bit. Yeah, that's possible. And you know, 361 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,079 there's also the fact that you got you know, these 362 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,839 same people that are in charge the House Parliament guy 363 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,920 the or the Speaker of the Parliament, the president uh 364 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,799 Komaney Junior. These are basically all the same people. But 365 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,680 you got to talk to somebody. And if this doesn't 366 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,400 work that you know, Trump has said like, well, then 367 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,200 we'll get some other people in there to talk. And 368 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,359 at some point, like if you keep doing the decapitation strikes, 369 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,599 eventually maybe you end up with somebody that can talk. 370 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: Right. 371 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: And the other thing that came out yesterday was they 372 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,880 disclosed this what they call it ghost murmur technology that's 373 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,960 how they rescue the airmen. And they basically can find 374 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,559 anybody with a heart beat using telemetries something or other. 375 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,960 I have no idea how it works, but that's how 376 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,480 they found them. And if they can find anybody with 377 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:42,200 a heart beat like that should scare everybody in the 378 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:46,200 leadership or in troops, everybody, like they'll know we can 379 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,640 see basically everybody. We've got dominance in the air, We've 380 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,880 got drones flying around, we've got satellites like we're watching 381 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,440 all of this stuff. And so maybe this is a 382 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:59,240 pause to sit back and watch see what Iran does. 383 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:01,960 Gonna go move some stuff? Are they gonna try to 384 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:07,319 you know, reposition whatever? Don't know, we shall see. Here's 385 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,920 a great idea. How about making an escape to a 386 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,519 really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 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I went in depth on this. 415 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:01,079 Go to the peatpod dot com week episode. I did 416 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:05,960 an episode on this. It's still there, breaking down why 417 00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:12,279 we haven't, why we haven't taken the steps in order 418 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:15,039 to secure that's a better term for to secure the 419 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:20,839 straight and foremost, because I believe we can. We became 420 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,519 an insurer for ships. Trump announced that they would put 421 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,640 like twenty billion dollars into a fund to cover insurance. 422 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,640 But they didn't do crew and liability coverage. They could have, 423 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,440 but they didn't do those too. They did huole, they 424 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,400 did cargo whatever, but they didn't do those two. All 425 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,359 they have to do is say we'll write coverage for 426 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,440 that too, but they haven't. Right, so why when you 427 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,640 start questioning why now, you need to go to as 428 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,359 I quoted the guy John Conrad from the maritime industry, 429 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,880 you start talking about how the industry runs and what 430 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,799 Trump has been trying to build from a naval perspective 431 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:05,279 since he got back into office, so I go in 432 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,400 depth on all of that stuff. So, yes, the waterway 433 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,839 is open, but the risk is so great that Iran 434 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,359 will shoot some drone into a hole that nobody wants 435 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,119 to move their boats through the waterway. Mott says, we 436 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,480 clearly misunderstood the treaty because someplace in the fine print 437 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,160 it must have said, we're going to bomb the hell 438 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:31,000 out of everybody, but you guys stop bombing us, right, Yeah, 439 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,400 I don't know, that's what I mean. Like all of this, 440 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,519 all of the confusion around what's actually been agreed to, 441 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,599 and the behaviors we have seen since the announcement, it 442 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,319 makes me think that this is deflection. This is in 443 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,599 service of something, some other operation that's going on. Dave says, 444 00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:52,920 anybody that knows biblical history knows will never be at 445 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,640 peace with Iran. That's unless Democrats get back in power, 446 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,480 and I of course bow down to anybody and everybody 447 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,119 as long as you can stay in power. 448 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,519 Speaker 1: That is. 449 00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: Our best course of action is to decimate as thoroughly 450 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,039 as possible, to extend the period of time between now 451 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,240 and when we'll have to do it all over again. Yeah, 452 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,079 this is the strategy called mowing the lawn is what 453 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,279 Israel does, where you basically have to come back in 454 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,839 every so often and take out a bunch of their leadership. Again, 455 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:26,640 Paul wants to know my thoughts on a civilian uprising. 456 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,079 I don't know if it's going to be possible. It's 457 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,000 going to be very dangerous, very bloody. I'm sure ideally 458 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,920 you would want, you know, a bunch of military leaders 459 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,799 to defect basically and side with the people, because then 460 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:49,119 you are importing all of that knowledge and their hardware, 461 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,359 right so, and their they're training and expertise. Like from 462 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,039 the from the army perspective, ideally you would want, you know, 463 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:04,079 groups from the army to overthrow the IRGC. I don't 464 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:08,880 know what the potential for that is though. Also we 465 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,000 heard the other day, you know, Trump made the comment 466 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,559 about how the weapons that we had sent into the 467 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:18,519 Iranian people were supposed to go through a third party, 468 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:23,519 which everybody understood to be the Kurds, but the weapons 469 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,079 never made it there. The weapons got taken and he 470 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,480 was not happy about that. Or maybe the weapons did 471 00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:36,680 make it in, right, Maybe the weapons did make it 472 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,519 in and he's just saying they didn't. So this way 473 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,559 the Iranians don't know that we've been arming their population, 474 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,279 so they'll be able to take it to the IRGC 475 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:53,920 and the Bassigi militants, the militia groups. And now the 476 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,400 suspension of an air campaign gives them on the ground 477 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,759 the opportunity to finally emerge from their homes where they've 478 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,079 been hiding and you know, sheltering in place and stuff, 479 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,079 to emerge and then hit some of these checkpoints and 480 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,720 whatever installations wherever they're setting up I mentioned yesterday. You've 481 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:19,000 got reports of these the guardsmen, sorry, the army, not 482 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:23,640 being paid, not being fed, you got defections, you got 483 00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:27,400 besiege and IRGC they've been recruiting twelve year olds to 484 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,079 you know, man checkpoints and stuff. So like maybe that's 485 00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,839 what this is. And the ceasefire isn't really a ceasefire. 486 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,200 It's just the suspension of the air campaign to make 487 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,799 it safer for the Iranian people to throw off their government. 488 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:47,000 Jeff says, the billions of dollars that Barack Obama and 489 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,519 Joe Biden gave Iran shir did buy them a lot 490 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:51,519 of weapons and drones. 491 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. That is what they 492 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,000 used it for. 493 00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,839 Speaker 2: They did not use it to to help their people. 494 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,440 They used it to fund their war machine and their 495 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:10,519 apocalyptic deaf cult ideology. Unfortunately but true. 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