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<v Speaker 1>So imagine carrying a really horrific, just crystal clear memory

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<v Speaker 1>from the time you were just five years old. Oh wow, yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>picture the sheer weight of that, a memory that is

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<v Speaker 1>so profoundly devastating that it completely redefines the entire trajectory

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<v Speaker 1>of your family.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it becomes the dividing line.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, the dividing line of your entire existence. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the world before that memory and then the

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<v Speaker 1>world after. And then imagine sitting with that trauma, just

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<v Speaker 1>waiting fifty two agonizing years for a single concrete answer

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<v Speaker 1>as to why that memory even exists.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it forces you to consider the sheer cognitive

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<v Speaker 2>dissonance of living that reality for half a century. You

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<v Speaker 2>have the visceral reality of the trauma on one side,

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<v Speaker 2>and then absolute deafening silence from the universe on the other. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a gap that stretches across decades.

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<v Speaker 1>That is exactly the reality we are stepping into today.

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<v Speaker 1>We are exploring a landmark true crime case out of New.

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<v Speaker 2>York, the nineteen seventy four murder of Barbara Woldman.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, this was a case just sat dormant, essentially a

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<v Speaker 1>ghost story in a long Island suburb until it was

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<v Speaker 1>finally solved in March of twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Six, which is pretty recent.

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<v Speaker 1>Extremely recent. But our mission for this deep dive today

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just to recount a tragedy. We're going to explore

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<v Speaker 1>the massive, compounding nature of generational trauma. And we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to look at the stunning evolution of forensic.

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<v Speaker 2>Science, specifically the deep mechanics of genetic genealogy, the way

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<v Speaker 2>it reaches back through time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and we are also going to confront the agonizing

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<v Speaker 1>asymmetry of justice, that terrible reality where a guilty person

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<v Speaker 1>walks entirely free while innocent people are punished endlessly by

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<v Speaker 1>public suspicion.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is really the focus of our conversation today. Endurance.

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<v Speaker 2>While the crime itself is brutal, what we're really examining

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<v Speaker 2>is the physical endurance of microscopic evidence over half a century. Oh. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>and more importantly, the relentless endurance of three children who

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<v Speaker 2>just refuse to let their mother become just a forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>statistic in a cold case fireland cabinet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And to understand why they fought with such such ferocity,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to understand exactly what was taken from them

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. They were taken from setting the sea

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<v Speaker 1>right picture ocean side, Long Island in the early nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically the thirty nine hundred block of Sally Lane. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a classic working and middle class suburb. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of place where the rhythm of life is aggressively predictable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a neighborhood where people are out washing their cars

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday mornings, waving to each other from their driveways.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an era defined by a very specific kind

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<v Speaker 2>of intrinsic trust. You knew the houses on your block,

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<v Speaker 2>and you knew the families inside them. The post war

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<v Speaker 2>suburban boom created these incredibly tight knit enclaves where the

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<v Speaker 2>prevailing psychology was one of absolute safety.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of it like a snow globe, a snowg Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have this intricate, self contained little world. Ocean Side

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy four just feels like a snow globe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pristine, it's enclosed, and the concept of random brutal

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<v Speaker 1>violence felt completely foreign.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just that violence rarely happened. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>deeply held psychological belief that violence inherently couldn't breach that perimeter.

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<v Speaker 2>Which really highlights how jarring the impact is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be when that perimeter is breached totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the center of this particular community was Barbara Waldman.

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<v Speaker 2>She was thirty one years old, an NYU graduate.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, highly active in the Ocean Side Cancer Society unit.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't just a resident, she was a vibrant, visible

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<v Speaker 2>thread in the daily fabric of this community.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. She was a mother of three young kids, Mara

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<v Speaker 1>who was seven, Larry who was six, and Eric, the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest just five years old. Wow, so little, so little.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was married to a local dentist, Gerald Waldman.

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<v Speaker 1>She had long blonde hair, She was well liked, and

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<v Speaker 1>she consistently showed up for her neighbors. She was just

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<v Speaker 1>fully alive to the world around her.

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<v Speaker 2>The kind of person whose sudden absence would leave a

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<v Speaker 2>cavernous hole in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, which makes the morning of January eleventh, nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four all the more devastating. The contrast between the ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>routine and what was about to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Is just stark, very stark.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a bitterly cold, Long Island winter day, and

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<v Speaker 1>the mundane details of that morning are incredibly grounding. The

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<v Speaker 1>kids are getting bundled up in their heavy coats, grabbing

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<v Speaker 1>their school bags, heading out the door toward.

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<v Speaker 2>The car, the standard chaotic rhythm of any household with

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<v Speaker 2>three kids under eight trying to get to school on time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just a normal morning. And as they head

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<v Speaker 1>down the driveway, seven year old Marra slips on a

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<v Speaker 1>patch of ice.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara, reacting purely on maternal instinct, calls out to her.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, Marla, be careful. Are you okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Be careful?

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the last three words she ever spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter. Yes, And those words carry a massive psychological weight,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, in normal timeline, a mother telling her

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<v Speaker 1>child to be careful on the ice is forgotten. Ten

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<v Speaker 1>seconds later, you brush it off and get in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>But trauma freeze frames the mundane Yes exactly when an

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<v Speaker 2>ordinary moment is immediately followed by an apocalyptic, life altering event,

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<v Speaker 2>the preceding memory undergoes this.

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<v Speaker 3>Terrible alcody changes completely right.

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<v Speaker 2>The human brain, in an attempt to process the sudden

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<v Speaker 2>influx of horrific stress, latches on to the last known

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<v Speaker 2>point of safety. It turns a throwaway maternal caution into

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<v Speaker 2>a haunting relic. Marl Waldman would carry those three words

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<v Speaker 2>for fifty two years. It became a psychological anchor, a

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<v Speaker 2>loop playing in her mind because it was the final

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<v Speaker 2>moment the world made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>That is just heartbreaking. So the kids go to school

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<v Speaker 1>and the snow globe shatters. Yeah, the reality of what

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<v Speaker 1>happened inside that house on Sally Lane is grim. The

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<v Speaker 1>clinical facts is later outlined by Nasau County Police Commissioner

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick Ryder detail of violent sexual assault. Barbara was tied

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<v Speaker 1>up with the stockings she was wearing, she was strangled,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately she was shot in the back of the

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<v Speaker 1>head while lying face down in her bedroom.

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<v Speaker 2>The clinical language is necessary for the record, but it

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<v Speaker 2>requires us to look behind the procedural terminology.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a thirty one year old woman, completely alone, terrified,

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<v Speaker 1>suffering in the exact place she believed was the safest

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<v Speaker 1>environment on earth.

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<v Speaker 2>And there is a crucial detail here that completely altered

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<v Speaker 2>the trajectory of the investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>The house was not ransacked exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy four, a daytime home invasion resulting in

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<v Speaker 2>murder would almost universally be assumed to be a burglary

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<v Speaker 2>gone horribly wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Like someone breaks in looking for cash, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone breaks in looking for cash or jewelry, they're surprised

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<v Speaker 2>by the homeowner. Panic ensues and it escalates to violence.

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<v Speaker 2>But the lack of forced entry and the untouched valuables

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<v Speaker 2>points to something infinitely darker.

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<v Speaker 1>It was targeted. Yes, this wasn't a crime of opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>regarding property. Whoever walked into that house on Sally Lane

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<v Speaker 1>that morning came with a singular intent. They executed a coordinated,

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<v Speaker 1>brutal sequence of events, and then they simply walked back

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<v Speaker 1>out into the quiet suburban morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody saw them leave.

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<v Speaker 1>They vanished into the background scenery, which sets up the

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<v Speaker 1>most harrowing, dear detail of this entire area of the afternoon, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>afternoon rolls around, kindergarten lets out. Five year old Eric

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<v Speaker 1>Waldman comes home from school. He walks into his house,

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<v Speaker 1>walks upstairs, and discovers his mother's body on the bedroom floor.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the kind of detail that forces you to

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<v Speaker 2>pause and just consider the sheer magnitude of the shock.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I struggle to comprehend how a child's brain

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<v Speaker 1>at that age processes this. At five years old, kids

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<v Speaker 1>still think in terms of magic and cartoons. The finality

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<v Speaker 1>of death is an abstract concept. I have a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time believing a five year old brain can actually process

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<v Speaker 1>a visual trauma of that magnitude without completely shutting down

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<v Speaker 1>or fragmenting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. A brain at that developmental stage doesn't process it

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<v Speaker 2>in the way an adult does. It doesn't, no, it

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<v Speaker 2>simply records it. It bypasses the higher reasoning centers of

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<v Speaker 2>the prefrontal cortex and sears directly into the.

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<v Speaker 3>Amigdala brain's threat center.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, It burns the image into the neural pathways, like

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<v Speaker 2>a flashbulb going off in a dark room. The trauma

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<v Speaker 2>becomes foundational to the child's entire cognitive architecture. Decades later,

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<v Speaker 2>standing at a press conference in his mid fifties, Eric

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<v Speaker 2>articulated this perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>What did he say?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I've had the image of my mom in

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<v Speaker 2>my head since i was five, and it won't go

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<v Speaker 2>away until I die.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. That is the invisible toll of an

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved murder. It isn't just the tragic loss of the

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<v Speaker 1>victim's life. It is the lifetime of psychological imprisonment for

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<v Speaker 1>the survivors.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric carried that specific, horrific visual every single day of

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<v Speaker 1>his adult life. When a case is unsolved, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no narrative resolution to help contextualize the memory.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no beginning, middle, and end right.

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<v Speaker 1>It just sits there, raw and unprocessed, a perpetual open wound.

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<v Speaker 2>The Nassau County Police launched a massive homicide investigation immediately

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<v Speaker 2>they recognized the severity and the targeted nature of the attack.

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<v Speaker 2>They were aggressively pursuing the killer, but they were about

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<v Speaker 2>to hit an unyielding brick wall built entirely by the

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<v Speaker 2>technological limitations of the era.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's look at what the investigators actually had to work with.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they weren't starting with an empty file. They found

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprints at the crime scene. They found witnesses who had

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<v Speaker 1>seen a man fleeing the general area around the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the murder. Good leads usually yeah, and based on

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<v Speaker 1>those witness accounts, they worked up a highly detailed police

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<v Speaker 1>sketch of a potential suspect. They papered the town with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the devastating irony of this case is that the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four sketch was remarkably accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy to look back at.

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<v Speaker 2>It, it really is. When the case was finally solved

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<v Speaker 2>decades later, investigators noted that the original drawing was an

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<v Speaker 2>almost perfect match to the actual killer.

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<v Speaker 1>But a perfect sketch without a name is just a

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<v Speaker 1>drawing on a bulletin board, right. It is functionally useless

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<v Speaker 1>unless someone in the community comes forward, points it to

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<v Speaker 1>paper and says, I know exactly who that is, and

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<v Speaker 1>no one did. Nobody did the police have this perfect face.

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<v Speaker 1>They have fingerprints from the scene, but they are trapped

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<v Speaker 1>in a technological vle. DNA testing as a standard forensic

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<v Speaker 1>tool wouldn't exist for another two.

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<v Speaker 2>Decades, and biological evidence in nineteen seventy four, things like blood,

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<v Speaker 2>saliva or seamen could perhaps give you a blood type

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<v Speaker 2>if the sample was large enough and perfectly.

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<v Speaker 3>Preserved, which doesn't help much.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really. That might narrow the suspect pulled down to

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<v Speaker 2>forty percent of the population, but it could never provide

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<v Speaker 2>a unique identifier, and the fingerprints they recovered were equally problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's dive into that because I think people today assume

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<v Speaker 1>fingerprints have always been this magic bullet. We are used

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<v Speaker 1>to watching procedural shows where a detective scans a print

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<v Speaker 1>into a computer, a digital grid flashes on the screen,

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<v Speaker 2>Not even close. In the nineteen seventies, police departments relied

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<v Speaker 1>magnifying loop comparing the ridges lined by line Exactly. If

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in the active file, that fingerprint was just a

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<v Speaker 2>It was an agonizing limitation. The investigation is fueled entirely

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<v Speaker 2>by human legwork. The tips come in, the detectives follow them,

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<v Speaker 1>It just skulls.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, there were serial killer theories floated, investigated, and ultimately eliminated.

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<v Speaker 2>Once the human element dried up. There was no scientific

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<v Speaker 2>mechanism them available to generate new leads. The science of

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, think of it like having a thousand piece

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<v Speaker 1>all the pieces, the fingerprints, the perfect sketch, the timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't have the picture on the front of

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<v Speaker 3>Right, You're blind.

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<v Speaker 1>And worse, the pieces themselves don't even have interlocking edges yet,

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<v Speaker 2>When a community is faced with a brutal unsolved crime,

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<v Speaker 2>human nature struggles to accept the ambiguity. The community demands answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, they demand a narrative that imposes order on

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<v Speaker 2>real killer, the social ecosystem will invariably settle for a scapegoat.

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<v Speaker 1>Which brings us to one of the most destructive collateral

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<v Speaker 1>narratives of this case. In domestic homicides, suspicion naturally and

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<v Speaker 2>It's always the husband, right, that's the trope.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the trope. Law enforcement has to clear the inner

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<v Speaker 1>circle first. It is standard operating procedure, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>Waldman case, this procedure mutated into a lifelong curse for

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<v Speaker 1>Gerald Waldman.

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald was the local dentist. He was the grieving widower

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<v Speaker 2>From a legal standpoint, his status was immaculate.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He was never charged with a crime, He was never

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<v Speaker 2>formally named as a suspect. He cooperated fully with the investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>giving the police everything they asked for.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, if he cooperated fully and there was absolutely zero

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<v Speaker 1>physical evidence pointing to him, why didn't law enforcement issue

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<v Speaker 1>a definitive public statement completely clearing him. Why let him

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<v Speaker 1>hang out to dry while the neighborhood rumors spun out

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<v Speaker 2>It comes down to the grim reality of police, public

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<v Speaker 2>relations and liability. Especially in cold cases, police departments are

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<v Speaker 2>notoriously hesitant to definitively publicly clear anyone who is close

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<v Speaker 2>to a victim unless they have another suspect and cuffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Really just to keep their options open.

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<v Speaker 2>In their minds. Closing a door completely is an investigative risk.

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<v Speaker 2>What if new evidence emerges ten years later? What if

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<v Speaker 2>there was a conspiracy or a hired hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>By maintaining a position of vague ambiguity, they protect the

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<v Speaker 2>integrity of the open file, but they completely sacrifice the

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<v Speaker 1>So Gerald was left to live his life under a

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<v Speaker 1>corrosive cloud of community suspicion. The very people who used

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved mystery with whispers.

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<v Speaker 3>It's tragic.

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<v Speaker 1>Marra described this suspicion as a powerful social mark of disgrace.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine walking into your local grocery store, the same one

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<v Speaker 1>and the conversation suddenly stops.

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<v Speaker 2>The sideways looks yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>People suddenly find the canned goods fascinating and refuse to

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<v Speaker 1>meet your eye. That was Gerald's daily reality.

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<v Speaker 2>The asymmetry here is profound. You have an innocent man

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<v Speaker 2>whose life has been leveled by tragedy, and instead of

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<v Speaker 2>receiving the unconditional support of his community, he becomes the

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<v Speaker 2>focal point of their paranoia. He absorbs the fear that

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<v Speaker 2>should be directed at the actual killer.

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue it is almost harder to fight that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of unspoken, atmospheric suspicion than it is to fight

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<v Speaker 1>a formal legal accusation. I agree completely right, if the

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<v Speaker 1>state charges you with a crime, you hire a defense attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>You stand in a courtroom, present an alibi, cross examined witnesses,

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<v Speaker 1>and you force a jury to give you a verdict.

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<v Speaker 1>You get a piece of paper that declares you not guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do you cross examine a neighborhood rumor?

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<v Speaker 2>You can't.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't subpoena a sideways glance at the gas station. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't put a whisper on the witness stand. You

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<v Speaker 1>are shadow boxing a ghost.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a daily, low grade psychological torture. The guilty

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<v Speaker 2>man is walking free, entirely unbothered by the community's gaze,

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<v Speaker 2>while the innocent man wakes up every day, looks the

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<v Speaker 2>people of Oceanside in the eye and has to pretend

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't know what they are thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>And Gerald stayed in the community. He raised the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>he maintained his dental practice, He kept his head up.

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<v Speaker 2>And he endured it for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tragically, Jerald passed away in two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 1>He went to his grave never knowing who murdered his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went to his grave never having his name

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<v Speaker 1>formally publicly cleared in the minds of the people he

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<v Speaker 1>lived alongside.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a silent secondary cruelty of the unsolved murder.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. The primary victor is gone, but the

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<v Speaker 1>survivors are trapped inside the wound indefinitely.

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<v Speaker 2>But while Gerald endured that suspicion in silence, his three

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<v Speaker 2>children took a vastly different approach. Mara, Larry, and Eric

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<v Speaker 2>transform their grief into an unstoppable engine of advocacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Because in the ecosystem of unsolved homicides, if a family

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<v Speaker 3>The case dies plain and simple.

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<v Speaker 1>Police departments are constantly inundated with fresh solvable crimes, resources

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<v Speaker 1>are finite, and detectives are overworked. If a family does

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<v Speaker 1>not actively, loudly and persistently advocate for a fifty year

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<v Speaker 1>old cold case. That file goes into a box in

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<v Speaker 1>a basement, the administrative triage of the department moves on

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<v Speaker 2>The Waldman children recognize this reality and refused to accept it.

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<v Speaker 2>They went on the offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>It really did.

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<v Speaker 2>They contacted major local newspapers like Newsday to drag public

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<v Speaker 2>attention back to their mother's story. They relentlessly pressured the

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<v Speaker 2>Nassau County Police and the FBI. Every time a new

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<v Speaker 2>technological advancement in forensics hit the news cycle, they were

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone demanding that the old evidence from Sally

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<v Speaker 2>Lane be retested.

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<v Speaker 1>The psychological toll of that advocacy is unimaginable because it

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<v Speaker 1>is not a steady, triumphant client toward justice. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a brutal roller coaster of false starts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the false hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, at one point, a man who was already sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in prison actually confessed to killing Barbara. Imagine getting that

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<v Speaker 1>phone call from a detective You've waited decades and they

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<v Speaker 1>tell you they have a confession. The emotional surge must

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<v Speaker 1>be overwhelming. You let yourself believe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's finally over, but the DNA didn't match. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a false confession, likely from an inmate seeking attention or

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<v Speaker 2>at tempt to manipulate his incarceration circumstances, which is just

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<v Speaker 2>vile it is, and this wasn't an isolated incident. Investigators

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<v Speaker 2>later zeroed in on another suspect who had committed a

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<v Speaker 2>chillingly similar murder in nineteen sixty eight in nearby Valley Stream.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The geography matched, the methodology matched, it looked like a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect suspect, and once again the DNA ruled him out.

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<v Speaker 1>It is emotional whiplash. You are drowning in the dark

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty years, and finally your head breaks the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>You take one huge, gasping breath of fresh air, and

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<v Speaker 1>then a hand grabs your ankle and pulls you right

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<v Speaker 3>To the bottom. That's exactly what it feels like to

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<v Speaker 3>survive that cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>To have the door to closure open a crack, only

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<v Speaker 1>to have the authority slam it in your face and

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<v Speaker 1>say not him back to the beginning requires a staggering

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<v Speaker 1>level of psychological fortitude. They simply refuse to yield.

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<v Speaker 2>Their persistence was essential because it kept the evidence in play.

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<v Speaker 2>Long enough to collide head on with a paradigm shifting

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<v Speaker 2>moment in the history of forensic science.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's dive deep into the science because the catalyst that

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<v Speaker 1>changed the game here was the twenty eighteen Golden State

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the watershed moment that introduced forensic genetic genealogy

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<v Speaker 1>to the.

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<v Speaker 2>World for decades, the Golden State killer evaded identification despite

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<v Speaker 2>leaving biological evidence at dozens of crime scenes. Traditional DNA

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<v Speaker 2>testing failed because his specific genetic profile wasn't in any police.

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<v Speaker 3>Database, and that's a huge point.

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<v Speaker 2>Traditional forensics, specifically the CODIS database used by law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 2>relies on a direct one to one match.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the killer was never arrested for a felony

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<v Speaker 1>that mandated a DNA swab, running his DNA through CODIS

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<v Speaker 1>is like looking for a specific book in a library

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<v Speaker 1>that has never been cataloged. The computer spits back a

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<v Speaker 1>no match notification, and the investigation hits a wall.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty eighteen breakthrough proved that investigators no longer needed

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<v Speaker 2>that direct match in a police database. They could leverage

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<v Speaker 2>consumer DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Data like the ancestry web sites.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the kind of information people voluntarily upload to learn

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<v Speaker 2>about their heritage. They could use that to build a

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<v Speaker 2>map to the suspect. It demonstrated that decades old crimes

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<v Speaker 2>could be solved using the genetic footprints of a killer's distant,

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<v Speaker 2>unsuspecting relatives.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Waldman family was watching this unfolding California, and

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<v Speaker 1>it reignited a hope that had begun to dim. They

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<v Speaker 1>pushed investigators to apply this exact science to the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>collected in Barber's bedroom back in nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>Four, which led to the massive breakthrough in August of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. Fine investigators managed to pull a partial

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<v Speaker 2>DNA match from the crime scene evidence, and they linked

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<v Speaker 2>it to a relative of a possible suspect. To do this,

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<v Speaker 2>they bypassed standard police labs and teamed up with a

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<v Speaker 2>private facility in the Woodlands, Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Called Athram AUTHRM.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Authrum operates at the absolute cutting edge of genetic genealogy,

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<v Speaker 2>utilizing an identity inference process. This is a monumental leap

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<v Speaker 2>forward from traditional forensic testing, and it requires understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>I have to pause here because when you are dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with evidence from nineteen seventy four. You are dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>heavily degraded biological materials.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, very degraded.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't a fresh swab. This DNA has been sitting

436
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<v Speaker 1>in an evidence locker for half a century. How does

437
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<v Speaker 1>the science overcome fifty years of degradation to pill a

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<v Speaker 1>viable profile?

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<v Speaker 2>That is exactly why traditional police labs fail on cold

440
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<v Speaker 2>cases and why authorm's methodology is necessary. DNA degrees over

441
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<v Speaker 2>time due to environmental factors. Ultraviolet light, bacterial activity, and

442
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<v Speaker 2>simple hydrolysis break down the sugar phosphate backbone of the

443
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<v Speaker 2>DNA molecule. It fragments into tiny, disconnected pieces. Traditional forensics

444
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<v Speaker 2>uses a method called STR analysis, which stands for short

445
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<v Speaker 2>tandem repeats. STRs are looking for specific repeating sequences at

446
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<v Speaker 2>around twenty specific locations on the genome.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the DNA is degraded and broken into tiny fragments,

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<v Speaker 1>the odds of those twenty specific STR locations viving intact

449
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<v Speaker 1>are incredibly low.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, STR analysis on fifteen year old degraded DNA often

451
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<v Speaker 2>yields an incomplete profile, which is useless for a database search. AUTHOROM, however,

452
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<v Speaker 2>uses forensic grade genome sequencing, which looks at single nucleotide

453
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<v Speaker 2>polymorphisms or SNPs.

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<v Speaker 3>Pronound snips right, yes snips.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of looking at twenty large locations, SNPs look at

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands of single letter changes across the entire

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<v Speaker 2>genetic blueprint. Even if the DNA is heavily fragmented, the

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<v Speaker 2>sheer volume of data points analyzed allows the scientists to

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<v Speaker 2>stitch together a massive comprehensive profile.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they extract this incredibly detailed biological map from

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<v Speaker 1>the degraded evidence. What is the next step? How do

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<v Speaker 1>you get from a genetic map to a specific name

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<v Speaker 1>without violating the privacy of millions of people who just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to build a family tree.

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<v Speaker 2>The privacy mechanism is crucial here. The comprehensive profile is

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<v Speaker 2>securely compared only against consumer databases where users have explicitly

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<v Speaker 2>opted in to allow law enforcement matching, like ged match exactly,

468
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<v Speaker 2>ged match or family Tree. DNA investigators are not hacking

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<v Speaker 2>into private medical records. They are searching for shared genetic

470
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<v Speaker 2>segments with these opted in users.

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<v Speaker 1>We aren't looking for the killer in the database. They

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<v Speaker 1>know the killer hasn't uploaded his own DNA. They are

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<v Speaker 1>looking for third, fourth, or fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>Cousins, people who submitted their DNA out of pure curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, completely unaware that they share genetic material with a

476
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<v Speaker 1>phantom from a nineteen seventy four cold case.

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<v Speaker 2>Once a match is found, the genetic distance is measured

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<v Speaker 2>in unit called centi.

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<v Speaker 1>Morgans cent to morgans.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the higher the shared center Morgans, the closer the relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>A parent and child share around thirty four hundred cent

482
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<v Speaker 2>of morgans, a third cousin might share only seventy cent morgans.

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<v Speaker 1>So the FBI's forensic genetic genealogy team takes these distant

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<v Speaker 1>cousin matches and starts building massive family trees.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the genealogy part.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They step away from the microscope and move into

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<v Speaker 1>historical records. They use census data, birth certificates, marriage licenses,

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<v Speaker 1>and obituaries. They work backward in time to find a

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<v Speaker 1>common ancestor perhaps a great great grandparent from the late eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundreds, and then they work forward right.

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<v Speaker 1>They painstakingly work for through the generations. They follow every

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<v Speaker 1>single branch of the family tree down to the present day.

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<v Speaker 1>They eliminate branches based on age, gender, and geography. Constantly

494
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<v Speaker 1>narrowing the field until all the intersecting lines point to

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<v Speaker 1>one single individual who is in the right place, at

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<v Speaker 1>the right time, with the right genetic makeup.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a stunning convergence of molecular biology and archival genealogy.

498
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<v Speaker 2>You have space age, high tech science happening in a

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<v Speaker 2>lab in Texas in twenty twenty four, reaching back through

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<v Speaker 2>time to solve a mystery from the Disco era.

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<v Speaker 1>The contrast is absolutely staggering. You have this incredibly complex,

502
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<v Speaker 1>highly sophisticated scientific infrastructure working around the clock to isolate

503
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<v Speaker 1>this predator, and when they finally pull his name out

504
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<v Speaker 1>of the genetic ether, the reality of who he was

505
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<v Speaker 1>is just so painfully, aggressively mundane.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Generassio.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the name that the genealogists finally circled on that

508
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<v Speaker 1>family tree was Thomas Generasio.

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<v Speaker 2>And the most chilling detail uncovered immediately is his proximity

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<v Speaker 2>to the crime. Thomas Generasio was not a drifter passing

511
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<v Speaker 2>through town on the highway. He didn't cross state lines.

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<v Speaker 2>He lived in Oceanside. He lived less than four miles

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<v Speaker 2>away from the Waldman family home on Sally Lean.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is his profession that really shifts the perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on this case. Generasio worked as a sanitation worker in

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<v Speaker 1>the area.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to dive into the psychology of how humans

518
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<v Speaker 2>perceive service workers in their environment. It explains exactly how

519
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<v Speaker 2>he was able to operate with such impunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When I think of a sanitation worker, or a

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<v Speaker 1>mail carrier or a delivery driver, I think of people

522
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<v Speaker 1>who possess what you might call invisible access to our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>We suffer from a kind of societal inattentional blindness.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>We see the uniform, the truck, the predictable routine, and

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<v Speaker 1>our brains filter them out as background scenery. Because they

527
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<v Speaker 1>belong in the neighborhood, and because there is a logical

528
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<v Speaker 1>reason for their presence, they do not trigger our threat response.

529
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<v Speaker 1>They become effectively invisible.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the ultimate urban camouflage. Consider the practical tactical

531
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<v Speaker 2>knowledge as sanitation worker acquires simply by executing their daily route.

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<v Speaker 1>It's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Generacio drove those specific streets, He walked up to those

534
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<v Speaker 2>specific houses. He learned the schedules of the families living inside.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew exactly what cars were in the driveway, at

536
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<v Speaker 2>eight am versus nine zero am. He knew when husbands

537
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<v Speaker 2>left for work and when children left for school.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't randomly stumble upon the Waldman house. He used

539
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<v Speaker 1>his completely ordinary, mundane working life to build an intimate,

540
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<v Speaker 1>tactical map of that community. And somewhere in the routine

541
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<v Speaker 1>of picking up the neighborhood's trash, he targeted Barbara. He watched,

542
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<v Speaker 1>he learned the routine, and he struck when the house

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<v Speaker 1>was vulnerable. But here is where I have to challenge

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<v Speaker 1>the historical narrative of this investigation. If he lived four

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<v Speaker 1>miles away and he worked a municipal job, the exact

546
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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood with the murder occurred, why on earth wasn't he

547
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<v Speaker 1>caught in nineteen seventy four.

548
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<v Speaker 2>It's a very fair question.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the police had a perfect sketch. They had

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses who saw a man running. Generasio wasn't a pristine

551
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<v Speaker 1>citizen with no record. He had prior arrests for assault

552
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<v Speaker 1>and for position to stolen mail. You were telling me

553
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<v Speaker 1>a guy with a violent record who works in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>It perfectly matches a widely distributed sketch, and the police

555
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<v Speaker 1>just completely missed him.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a valid frustration, but it highlights the sheer

557
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<v Speaker 2>volume of noise in a nineteen seventies investigation and the

558
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<v Speaker 2>critical flaws in record keeping before digitization.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was just lost in the shuffle.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, Generasio had a record, yes, but he wasn't on

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<v Speaker 2>the radar for this specific type of crime, in this

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<v Speaker 2>specific jurisdiction. At that exact moment, he was one of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of local men who vaguely matched a physical description.

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<v Speaker 2>The sketch was accurate, but without someone directly linking his

565
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<v Speaker 2>name to the drawing, he was just another face in

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<v Speaker 2>a blue collar uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>The ultimate failure point comes back to the life lack

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<v Speaker 1>of biological databases. Today, if you are arrested for assault,

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<v Speaker 1>your DNA is swabbed and entered into CODIS. You are

570
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<v Speaker 1>permanently mapped into the system, right. But in the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>an assault charge just generated a paper file in a drawer.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no biological record to connect his past behavior

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<v Speaker 1>to the microscopic evidence left at the crime scene on

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<v Speaker 1>Sally Lane.

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<v Speaker 2>He took his perfect disguise, the uniform, the routine, the

576
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<v Speaker 2>local residency, and he simply blended right back into the

577
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<v Speaker 2>fabric of Ocean Side, which leads us to the most bitter,

578
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<v Speaker 2>frustrating truth of this entire deep dive.

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<v Speaker 1>The ultimate escape. We wait fifty two years for the

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<v Speaker 1>high tech science to deliver a name. The family waits

581
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<v Speaker 1>fifty two years for justice, the community waits for closure.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do we find out?

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas Genrossio died.

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<v Speaker 1>Died of cancer peacefully in his bed at home in

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<v Speaker 1>the year two thousand and four. He was fifty seven

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<v Speaker 1>years old.

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<v Speaker 2>It requires us to sit with the brutal contrast of

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<v Speaker 2>these two aftermaths.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's map out that contrast. On one side of Ocean Side.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the Waldman children is carrying the visual trauma

591
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<v Speaker 1>of finding his murdered mother, a flash bul memory burning

592
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>in his amigdala for decades. Mara and Larry are growing

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<v Speaker 1>up motherless, feeling her absence at graduations, at weddings, at

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<v Speaker 1>the births of their own children. You have Jerald Waldman

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<v Speaker 1>walking through his own town every day under the crushing

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<v Speaker 1>weight of public suspicion, eventually dying in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>seven without ever knowing the.

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<v Speaker 2>Truth, and on the exact same streets, navigating the exact

599
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.079
<v Speaker 2>same town you have Thomas Generassio unbelievable. He lived quietly

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<v Speaker 2>in Oceanside for thirty years after the murder. The horrific

601
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>likelihood is that he routinely crossed paths with the Waldman family.

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<v Speaker 2>They could have stood in line behind him at the

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<v Speaker 2>grocery store or pumped gas next to him at the station,

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00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.039
<v Speaker 2>completely unaware that they were standing next to the man

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<v Speaker 2>who destroyed their family.

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<v Speaker 1>He got to live a full life, he got to

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<v Speaker 1>grow old. He died in the comfort of his own home.

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<v Speaker 1>He never faced a judge, he never faced a jury,

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<v Speaker 1>and he never spent a single second in a jail

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<v Speaker 1>cell for what he did to Barbara Waldman on that

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<v Speaker 1>cold January morning.

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<v Speaker 2>The science succeeds flawlessly, but the traditional courtroom concept of

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<v Speaker 2>justice is fundamentally denied by the passage of time.

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<v Speaker 1>How does a family process that kind of resolution. It

615
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<v Speaker 1>forces a complete psychological redefinition of the word closure.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does, Which brings us to the press conference.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. We jump forward to Wednesday, March eleventh, twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nassau County Police Department and the FBI hold a

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<v Speaker 1>massive joint press conference to officially announce the killer's identity

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<v Speaker 1>to the world. And standing there in the room are Mara, Larry.

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<v Speaker 2>And Eric, the little kids from sally Land Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now adults in their fifties and sixties. Yeah, they are

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<v Speaker 1>standing there to finally hear the absolute truth spoken out

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<v Speaker 1>loud on the official record.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens at that podium is incredibly moving. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>just use the platform to condemn Thomas Jenrossiu. They use

627
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<v Speaker 2>the intense media spotlight for something far more important to

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<v Speaker 2>their family's historical narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>They used it to rescue their father. Yes, Marl Woldman

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<v Speaker 1>Kahn stepped up to the microphones and delivered a powerful statement.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, Happily today, fifty two years later, I get

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<v Speaker 1>to say to the world that our father, Jerry Waldman,

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<v Speaker 1>is exonerated. He was a victim, not a villain.

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<v Speaker 2>You can feel the generational weight lifting off the family

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00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>in those words. For decades they had to watch their

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<v Speaker 2>father suffer the indignity of community doubt. In that press conference,

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<v Speaker 2>Mara posthumously restored his legacy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so powerful.

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00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.559
<v Speaker 2>She makes sure that history would record Gerald Waldman exactly

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<v Speaker 2>as he was, a loving husband and a tragic victim,

641
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<v Speaker 2>not the architect of the crime. Larry echoed the sentiment,

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<v Speaker 2>calling it vindication for a father who went to his

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<v Speaker 2>deathbed not knowing who or why they gave their father

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<v Speaker 2>back his good name in front of the cameras.

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<v Speaker 1>But the press conference also laid bare the deep frustration

646
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>inherent in the case's resolution. Police Commissioner writer openly expressed

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<v Speaker 1>his anger, stating clearly that authorities would have greatly preferred

648
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<v Speaker 1>to see Generassio spend the rest of his life rotting

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<v Speaker 1>in a prison cell. Of course, which brings up a

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<v Speaker 1>critical question for you listening to this right now in

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<v Speaker 1>their shoes, when the killer is already dead, does knowing

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<v Speaker 1>the name actually feel like a victory?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tough question.

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<v Speaker 1>Does the absence of a trial, the absence of watching

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<v Speaker 1>the killer put in handcuffs and forced to answer for

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<v Speaker 1>his crimes, leave a hollow space that a scientific report

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<v Speaker 1>just can't fill?

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<v Speaker 2>It is the central tension of modern cold case resolutions.

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<v Speaker 2>But Mara provided a very specific, deeply personal perspective on

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<v Speaker 2>this exact tension. What does she say when reporters asked

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<v Speaker 2>her about Generacio dying before he could face a trial.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't express anger at the universe for cheating her

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<v Speaker 2>out of a conviction. Instead, she said she was satisfied

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<v Speaker 2>because he couldn't hurt or kill anyone else. She stated,

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<v Speaker 2>the element of the unknown killer is gone. He is dead.

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<v Speaker 1>The element of the unknown killer is gone.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a highly specific psychological form of resolution. She

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<v Speaker 2>isn't claiming it is courtroom justice. Courtroom justice was stolen

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<v Speaker 2>from them by time in biology, right, But she's claiming peace,

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<v Speaker 2>the piece of knowing that the monster in the dark

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<v Speaker 2>finally has a name, that the monster has been permanently disarmed,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the absolute truth of what happened to her

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<v Speaker 2>mother is finally out in the light. The Boogeyman is

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<v Speaker 2>dead and he can never come back.

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<v Speaker 1>As we look back at the entire scope of this narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>the journey is staggering. We started with a shattered suburban

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<v Speaker 1>snow globe in nineteen seventy four, a brutal targeted murder

678
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<v Speaker 1>that the forensic science of the era simply couldn't touch.

679
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:25.839
<v Speaker 1>We watched a grieving husband endoored decades of tholent accusation,

680
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<v Speaker 1>fighting a phantom rumor he could never cross examine.

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<v Speaker 2>And we watched a killer hide in plane site leveraging

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<v Speaker 2>the invisibility of his mundane job to blend seamlessly into

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<v Speaker 2>the background.

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<v Speaker 1>And we watched three children completely refuse to accept that

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<v Speaker 1>their mother's story ended on the floor of that bedroom.

686
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<v Speaker 1>Their relentless advocacy, keeping the pressure on the system, demanding retesting,

687
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<v Speaker 1>refusing to let the file gather dust is the only

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<v Speaker 1>reason this case collided with the miracle of modern genetic genealogy.

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<v Speaker 2>They reached back fifty two years and yanked the truth

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<v Speaker 2>into the present.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are listening and you were so, someone you

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<v Speaker 1>know is waiting on a cold case, waiting for answers

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<v Speaker 1>that feel like they are never going to come. This

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<v Speaker 1>story proves that the landscape of justice is fundamentally changing.

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<v Speaker 1>The science is catching.

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<v Speaker 2>Up biological evidence sealed in a plastic bag in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy four, Evidence that was considered functionally useless for decades,

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<v Speaker 2>gave up its darkest secrets in twenty twenty four because

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<v Speaker 2>the tools to read the genetic language finally existed.

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<v Speaker 1>Silence in the realm of forensics is no longer permanent.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a testament to human endurance and scientific innovation.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we wrap up this deep dive, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to leave you with one final provocative thought, Tom Allover.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Generasio died peacefully in his bed, having evaded detection

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<v Speaker 1>because the biological trip wires didn't exist in his era.

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<v Speaker 1>But look at where we are heading today.

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<v Speaker 2>The technology is everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>We are entering an era of absolute genetic certainty, a

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<v Speaker 1>pinopticon where almost any biological traits can be mapped back

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<v Speaker 1>to a specific family tree. So the question is this,

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<v Speaker 1>if genetic genealogy eventually reaches a point where absolute identification

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<v Speaker 1>is guaranteed, we're leaving a single skin cell at a

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<v Speaker 1>scene means a one hundred percent chance of being caught.

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<v Speaker 1>Will that sheer inevitability fundamentally alter human behavior?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a fascinating thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Will the fear of absolute genetic exposure deter the darkest

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<v Speaker 1>crimes before they happen? Or will it simply force the

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<v Speaker 1>most predatory parts of humanity to adapt, to evolve, and

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<v Speaker 1>to find entirely new, non biological digital ways to hide

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<v Speaker 1>their cruelty. Are we witnessing the end of the unsolved

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<v Speaker 1>mystery or just the beginning of a terrifying new breed

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<v Speaker 1>of invisible predator?

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<v Speaker 2>Something to really think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep asking those hard questions, Keep looking for the hidden

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<v Speaker 1>connections in the stories around you, and remember even a

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<v Speaker 1>fifty two year old memory can eventually find the light.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to you next time.
