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<v Speaker 1>What makes a murderer's mind tick. Killer Psyche is a

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<v Speaker 1>new weekly true crime podcast from Wondery that explores these

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<v Speaker 1>types of questions about the crimes that killers and criminals commit.

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<v Speaker 1>Killer Psyche covers high profile cases that have shocked the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and host Candace DeLong uses her five decades of experience

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<v Speaker 1>as a clinical psychiatric nurse and FBI criminal profiler to

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<v Speaker 1>dissect the motivations and behaviors of the most terrifying felons

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<v Speaker 1>in history. And you'll definitely want to listen to their

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<v Speaker 1>recent episode where Candace examines the mind of Ed gain

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<v Speaker 1>the notorious murderer who inspired the movies The Texas Chainsaw

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<v Speaker 1>Massacre and Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho. You won't believe what gruesome

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<v Speaker 1>details from those movies were inspired by Gaines's real life atrocities.

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<v Speaker 1>Candace dives deep into Gaines's mind his mental illnesses led

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<v Speaker 1>to his obsession with grave robbing and murder. Listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Killer Psyche, We'll give you a whole new insight into

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<v Speaker 1>the twisted mind of gain Hollywood's favorite killer. You're about

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<v Speaker 1>to hear a preview of Killer Psyche while you're listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder. When I was fourteen years old, my brother

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<v Speaker 2>Keith took me to see the movie Psycho at the

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<v Speaker 2>Marina Theater on Chestnut Street in San Francisco. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I'd seen a horror movie in a theater,

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<v Speaker 2>and what a movie to start with. I was so

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<v Speaker 2>terrified I didn't take a shower for weeks. This was

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<v Speaker 2>really the first time I'd ever seen a movie in

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<v Speaker 2>which the bad guy was not overtly evil looking, where

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<v Speaker 2>they were not constantly telegraphing the fact that the character

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<v Speaker 2>was a murderer or a killer. Norman Bates, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>assuming all true crime fans have seen this movie, and

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<v Speaker 2>if not, you need to. Norman was slightly odd, but

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<v Speaker 2>he looked like a shy, normal guy. I really did

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<v Speaker 2>not expect the reveal that happens at the end. I

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<v Speaker 2>told myself, Oh, come on, this is Make Believes, just

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<v Speaker 2>a movie right out of Hollywood. No one would ever

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<v Speaker 2>be that disturbed to keep the dead with them in

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<v Speaker 2>their house. But Psycho was based on a real story,

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<v Speaker 2>on a real man. His name was ed Geen, and

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<v Speaker 2>the town he lived in in Wisconsin considered him a

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<v Speaker 2>nice guy, if not slightly odd. He had lived there

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<v Speaker 2>most of his life and worked odd jobs as a handyman.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the families felt sorry for him and invited

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<v Speaker 2>him over to eat dinner. Some of them even let

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<v Speaker 2>him baby set their children. What they would later learn

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<v Speaker 2>about Ed Gean is what the audience learns about Norman Bates.

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<v Speaker 2>That looks can be deceiving, and that their nice, quiet

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor committed crimes far more shocking than any movie from

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<v Speaker 2>Wondering and Treefort. I'm Candice DeLong and this is Killer Psyche.

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<v Speaker 2>I've spent five decades studying people's minds through my work

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<v Speaker 2>as an FBI profiler and psychiatric nurse. I've interviewed many murderers,

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<v Speaker 2>serial killers included, and the question I get asked time

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<v Speaker 2>and time again is why they did what they did.

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<v Speaker 2>It's difficult to get a satisfying answer without diving deep

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<v Speaker 2>into the killer's mindsets. So in this series, I will

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<v Speaker 2>do just that and give you my best analysis of

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<v Speaker 2>what made them do what they did. This episode is

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<v Speaker 2>about Ed Dean, Hollywood's favorite killer. A good friend of mine, Gail,

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<v Speaker 2>was a counselor at a summer camp in Hayward, Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 2>in the late seventies. The psychiatric hospital where Gean was

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<v Speaker 2>committed was right across the lake. Around the campfire. At night,

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<v Speaker 2>the councilors would tell the kids that the swamp man,

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<v Speaker 2>whose skinned people alive, was right across the lake, and

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<v Speaker 2>that he frequently escaped. They would claim that you could

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<v Speaker 2>hear him scratching on the screen windows at night, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the counselors would go around scratching the windows and

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying the campers. The swampman was supposed to be ed Gean. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course this was full of hyperbole and misinformation, but

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<v Speaker 2>most ghost stories are. Over the last several decades, the

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<v Speaker 2>story of ed Gean has become twisted by the terrible

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<v Speaker 2>parts of our imagination. But I have to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>it's really not necessary, since the truth was horrible enough.

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<v Speaker 2>After his crimes came to light, the press dubbed him

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<v Speaker 2>a ghoul and a boogeyman. His murders and his penchant

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<v Speaker 2>for using human body parts for decoration and furniture horrified

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<v Speaker 2>the public. In nineteen fifty seven, the idea that someone

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<v Speaker 2>would do these things seemed unfathomable and frankly more like

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<v Speaker 2>movie imagination, and even now he can. She used to

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<v Speaker 2>be the inspiration for many of Hollywood's scariest killers, including

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<v Speaker 2>Norman Bates, Buffalo Bill, and Leatherface. November is the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of hunting season in Plainfield, Wisconsin in the late nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>The town would clear out because most of the men

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<v Speaker 2>were heading into the woods to hunt, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>no one heard the shotgun blast that took the life

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<v Speaker 2>of one of its most beloved residents. On November sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven, Ed Dean, a local handyman, entered Warden's

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<v Speaker 2>hardware store on the corner of North and Main Streets.

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<v Speaker 2>The night before he had been there, and he mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>that he needed to get Annie freeze and that he'd

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<v Speaker 2>be back the next day. Ed had been hanging around

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<v Speaker 2>the store a lot in the previous weeks. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>the locals thought he paid a lot of attention to

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<v Speaker 2>missus Warden Bernice, and some said he seemed even a

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<v Speaker 2>little obsessed with her, but this was all written off

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<v Speaker 2>as typical Ed behavior. He was considered by most in

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<v Speaker 2>town to be odd but a nice guy, So that

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<v Speaker 2>day he came in for half a gallon of anafreeze,

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<v Speaker 2>and after Bernice poured it for him, he took it

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<v Speaker 2>out to his truck. He returned just as she was

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<v Speaker 2>writing the receipt and asked to see a rifle that

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<v Speaker 2>was in the window. When she went to retrieve it,

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<v Speaker 2>Ed came up behind her and shot her in the

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<v Speaker 2>back of the head, and then he slit her throat.

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<v Speaker 2>He then loaded her in the back of his truck

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<v Speaker 2>and drove off. It was not until hours later that

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<v Speaker 2>someone reported Bernice was not in her store. Her son, Frank,

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<v Speaker 2>was also the local deputy sheriff. He went there to

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<v Speaker 2>check on her. When he entered, he found the store empty,

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<v Speaker 2>the cash register opened, and a pool of bloe ud

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor. Frank immediately suspected Ed Dean because of

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<v Speaker 2>his recent preoccupation with his mother. When investigators arrived, they

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<v Speaker 2>discovered the last receipt written for the day was for

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<v Speaker 2>Ed's enafries, and that confirmed Frank's suspicions.