Speaker 1: This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 1: is more true and just and more American than standing
Speaker 1: up for the week in defenseless and standing up for
Speaker 1: innocent human life. I mean, this nation corrected slavery, right
Speaker 1: and you look at slavery as this horrific abuse, treating
Speaker 1: another life as property, and thank god, this nation corrected that.
Speaker 1: And now, obviously we've been faced for many years with
Speaker 1: the treating of other innocent human life as property in
Speaker 1: the form of abortion. Great progress have been made, but
Speaker 1: here in Colorado now we're facing we're facing an effort
Speaker 1: from the left to put infanticide into the state constitution.
Speaker 1: They need fifty five percent to do it. There's a
Speaker 1: real chance to beat it once people realize away in
Speaker 1: the constitution that you can kill that healthy baby at
Speaker 1: nine months with a healthy mom, and that you got
Speaker 1: to pay for it as a taxpayer, and it does
Speaker 1: away with parental notifications. So we're continuing to ask you
Speaker 1: to do everything you can defeat seventy nine. Now, one
Speaker 1: person who happens to be a medical doctor who's been
Speaker 1: very heroic on behalf of the unborn as doctor Catherine Wheeler,
Speaker 1: who is kind enough to join us now, doctor welcome
Speaker 1: to the Dan Kapla show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much, and thank you for what
Speaker 2: you're doing to bring this to the public. Sitch forefront
Speaker 2: is because people, once they know what this is about,
Speaker 2: are not for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've got a lot more influence than I
Speaker 1: do because you're actually an obgyn, and so thank you
Speaker 1: for what you do, and please just share with folks
Speaker 1: your perspective on this as an obgyn.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll also add to that, Dan that I also
Speaker 2: in the past was a second trimester abortionist, not as
Speaker 2: the primary part of my practice, but it was part
Speaker 2: of my practice. So I've seen both sides of this,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you things quit making sense pretty early
Speaker 2: on in my practice and I quit doing the abortions.
Speaker 2: But for me, the biggest concern is calling abortion healthcare
Speaker 2: in normalizing it so that women are led to believe
Speaker 2: that they have to have abortions available to be able
Speaker 2: to participate in society and what a horrible idea that
Speaker 2: is as opposed to help and hope, committing women to
Speaker 2: thinking that they need abortion. Abortion is not routine health care.
Speaker 2: I always separated my thoughts about abortion. Even when I
Speaker 2: did them, I did not consider them essential healthcare. I
Speaker 2: knew better than that they're a choice. So that's one
Speaker 2: of my biggest concerns. In Colorado. I was surprised when
Speaker 2: I moved here five years ago that there's absolutely no regulation, inspection,
Speaker 2: credentialing of the physicians to make sure they're qualified, reporting
Speaker 2: of complications, none of that is there for abortion, unlike
Speaker 2: any other healthcare. So those are some of my biggest concerns.
Speaker 2: And then learning that abortions are allowed until the due
Speaker 2: date in Colorado. Yeah, we hear a lot of denial,
Speaker 2: but it is true. It's sad and true.
Speaker 1: Well it's it, doctor Catherine Wheeler, and I'll be herself
Speaker 1: our guest. And it seems to me that few things
Speaker 1: could be more flagrantly anti woman than Okay, we're going
Speaker 1: to have this surgery, but in this one category, in
Speaker 1: this one category of a surgery that will kill the
Speaker 1: life within you. Hey, mom, there's not going to be
Speaker 1: the same type of regulations and inspections that we have
Speaker 1: for other surgical procedures, because hey, this is abortion. I mean,
Speaker 1: do I understand that, right?
Speaker 3: Doctor?
Speaker 2: It is absolutely true, and it's shocking. You know, the
Speaker 2: first trimester ones are less risky, but second trimester ones
Speaker 2: ten percent have significant complications, one point seven percent of
Speaker 2: them are life threatening. And then once you get into
Speaker 2: the even later ones, they're multi day procedures that essentially
Speaker 2: end up as induced pre term births, but not in
Speaker 2: a birthing center. Birthing centers are inspected and regulated by
Speaker 2: the state, and they should be because we all know
Speaker 2: that all kinds of things can go wrong in birth,
Speaker 2: even though most of them go well. But preterm births,
Speaker 2: meaning before thirty seven weeks, have significant dangers that can occur,
Speaker 2: and you just want to be able to provide the
Speaker 2: best quality of care should an emergency arise. But none
Speaker 2: of this is considered. It really is not safe and legal.
Speaker 2: It's legal, that's it.
Speaker 1: And doctor, focusing on seventy nine in particular, what did
Speaker 1: your experience as someone conducting abortions yourself, What did that
Speaker 1: teach you that has led to this point in time
Speaker 1: now where you're opposing Amendments seventy nine. How did the
Speaker 1: two intersect.
Speaker 2: Well, they intersepted with my moving here. I will say
Speaker 2: I stopped doing abortions on a day when for the
Speaker 2: first time, it was like blinders fell off just before
Speaker 2: I took the baby's life, and I was acutely aware
Speaker 2: that I was about to kill a human being. And
Speaker 2: it's hard to explain how you've got those blinders on,
Speaker 2: but you do. You literally think you're helping women, and
Speaker 2: that's what you get told. It's almost like an indoctrination.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you that moment changed my life. I
Speaker 2: never did another one, and it's been a long course
Speaker 2: of coming out of that and getting clear thinking about abortion,
Speaker 2: about what's really true. But moving here to Colorado was
Speaker 2: a real turning point for me to be able speaking
Speaker 2: about my past and to help people to know what's
Speaker 2: really true about abortion. I'll tell you the second trimester
Speaker 2: ones I did, like, they really are risky. I can't
Speaker 2: imagine doing them out of a facility where you don't
Speaker 2: have emergency services available if things go wrong, because, as
Speaker 2: I said, ten one out of ten something goes wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Doctor Catherine Willer, our guest and ob gyn
Speaker 1: who's opposing Amendments seventy nine in Colorado. And another reason
Speaker 1: why I think your voice is particularly powerful obviously the
Speaker 1: obg I in background and your experience, you know, doing
Speaker 1: abortions before, but also so often I think the proponents
Speaker 1: of abortion argue that men should not have a voice
Speaker 1: this this, that that it's about the woman and the
Speaker 1: woman's body. So to have a woman who also happens
Speaker 1: to be an obese speak out on this, I think
Speaker 1: can open minds in a way that others of us can't.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope so, I mean, certainly I can tell
Speaker 2: you what's true, what I've learned, what I used to believe,
Speaker 2: and what I really came to see as not true
Speaker 2: at all. As far as men having a voice, men,
Speaker 2: you are so powerful, you are so needed.
Speaker 4: Women need you.
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the big things coming
Speaker 2: out of feminism is we're so told that we don't
Speaker 2: need men. But I've heard somebody say that we were
Speaker 2: promised abortion and freedom and what we got was abandonment.
Speaker 2: And that's really what we've seen as an outflow is
Speaker 2: the feminization of poverty, the abandonment of women's single mother
Speaker 2: holds have increased. I mean, it's just really been a
Speaker 2: disaster for women.
Speaker 1: And parting words for today, but I would love to
Speaker 1: have you back on every day, I mean very often
Speaker 1: between now an election day and then after that as well,
Speaker 1: because obviously this battle to save the innocent never ends.
Speaker 1: But certainly really have twenty one days to stop Amendments
Speaker 1: seventy nine from becoming part of the Colorado Constitution. Final
Speaker 1: thoughts for folks today, doctor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me, as I've listened to the
Speaker 2: other side, there's this real push that it doesn't say
Speaker 2: in Amendment seventy nine that printal notification will be taken
Speaker 2: away that and that's the push, and that late term
Speaker 2: abortions will be in the constitution. But it's all hidden
Speaker 2: in that little tiny words that says nothing may deny, impede,
Speaker 2: or discriminate against the right to abortion. That impeded word
Speaker 2: is what the American College of obq YN uses And
Speaker 2: when you look at their document their Abortion policy and
Speaker 2: increasing Access to Abortion, their goal is access to abortion
Speaker 2: at all costs, especially to women, so that nothing may
Speaker 2: impede and what they list there is things that impeded
Speaker 2: are any gestational age limits and parental involvement. It's very
Speaker 2: clear that's the direction this is going.
Speaker 1: Hey and doctor wall, I have you what is your
Speaker 1: best understanding, as in obqyn of the percentage of late
Speaker 1: term abortions that are due to some very serious illness
Speaker 1: of the mother or what they label quote fetal anomalies
Speaker 1: versus simply abortion for the same reasons as it's obtained earlier.
Speaker 2: Right, So, nearly all abortions, including late abortions, are for
Speaker 2: financial and social reasons, which are usually horrific conditions.
Speaker 4: For the mother.
Speaker 2: I don't want to minimize that, but the answer of
Speaker 2: taking a baby's life is not a good answer for that.
Speaker 2: So it's between one and two percent of all abortions.
Speaker 2: And so the real push for completely unrestricted abortions with
Speaker 2: no regulation to be able to for the other side
Speaker 2: to get what they really seem to say that they want,
Speaker 2: which is for the life of the mother and for
Speaker 2: fetal anomalies, which I could talk about. That's only one
Speaker 2: to two percent of all abortions, so I mean, they
Speaker 2: certainly could do carve outs the abortions I did. Unfortunately
Speaker 2: babies with special needs and you know obviously that's absolutely horrific.
Speaker 2: I'll be the first to say that. In my apologies
Speaker 2: to anybody who has the special needs baby. They're precious,
Speaker 2: they deserve to live.
Speaker 1: Well, you were a hero. Thank you for doing what
Speaker 1: you do, and hopefully you'll join us again in the
Speaker 1: next few days.
Speaker 2: I would appreciate the honor. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's doctor Catherine. We're whiller and obq An
Speaker 1: obviously herself, appreciate her time today. A fib five for
Speaker 1: zero five A two five five the number. Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: now finally, wow, wonder what took so long? Just days
Speaker 1: before the election, releases her plan to help young black
Speaker 1: men and what do you think it starts with? You
Speaker 1: won't believe it. You're on the Dan Capla Show.
Speaker 5: And now back to the Dan Kapla Show podcast CNN.
Speaker 6: I mean, the bottom line is this, at this particular hour,
Speaker 6: if you believe the polling, Donaldsum's going to put up
Speaker 6: the best performance with black voters since Richard Nixon back
Speaker 6: in nineteen hundred and sixty, not sixty eight, since nineteen
Speaker 6: hundred and sixty, that's sixty four years ago. Among Hispanic voters,
Speaker 6: Donald Trump's going to put up the best performance for
Speaker 6: Republicans in two thousand and four and George W.
Speaker 1: Bush, which is no surprise, right, And I think he'll
Speaker 1: end up putting up a better performance than even the
Speaker 1: great one that's expected. But it'll go far beyond this election.
Speaker 1: It'll go far beyond this election because what I believe
Speaker 1: we're seeing and it's one of the many long lasting
Speaker 1: gifts of President Trump to this nation, whether he gets
Speaker 1: his second term or not, and obviously I think that
Speaker 1: he's going to. But but that gift in part was
Speaker 1: probably the biggest jolt, biggest jolt to the momentum of
Speaker 1: many folks of color starting to rethink, you know that
Speaker 1: just the long term, habitual loyalty to the Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: and is this the tipping point. Well, if it is
Speaker 1: the tipping point, then we're going to see the inevitable
Speaker 1: more quickly. But the inevitable is going to be a
Speaker 1: major fracturing, right, because we're all people, we're all created
Speaker 1: by the same God, we're all people, and we're all
Speaker 1: fiercely devoted to our families. We want what's best for
Speaker 1: our family, you know, we want what's best for our community.
Speaker 1: Beyond that, we want what's best for ourselves. And so
Speaker 1: we're going to vote our self interest, and it had
Speaker 1: to happen. It's gravity at some point in large enough
Speaker 1: numbers to matter. And then all of the sudden, many
Speaker 1: at once, you're going to have many folks, whether they
Speaker 1: happen to be Catholic voters of whatever color, or you're
Speaker 1: going to have folks of color, black voters, latinos, et cetera,
Speaker 1: start to start to vote their self interest, regardless of party.
Speaker 1: And that's going to break this logjam the Democrats have.
Speaker 1: And here's the key point. Here's the key point in
Speaker 1: the tipping point continuum, and that is when okay, and
Speaker 1: it's any group, right. It doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: group of color. It can be it can be Irish,
Speaker 1: it can be Catholics, it can be whatever. But when
Speaker 1: you get to the point where a certain number of
Speaker 1: people in that group are now starting to act differently
Speaker 1: than most in the group have historically done and it
Speaker 1: becomes more socially acceptable, etc. Then it's easier for a
Speaker 1: whole lot of folks to make that change at the
Speaker 1: same time. And I believe that's what we're seeing unfold
Speaker 1: right now. I can't look in the eye and tell
Speaker 1: you what the exact percentage is will be for Trump
Speaker 1: on election day. And I don't think exit polling is
Speaker 1: particularly reliable, so we may never know. But on this
Speaker 1: current track, we're going to know that he won. And
Speaker 1: on this current track, there's a lot of other data suggesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Barack Obama said it right when
Speaker 1: he tried to submarine Heiris. I shouldn't say that he
Speaker 1: did submarine Harris last week by coming out and lecturing
Speaker 1: young black men, in particular, scolding them because all the
Speaker 1: reason you're not supporting her is because she's a woman.
Speaker 1: I mean, how patently insulting, but no more insulting than
Speaker 1: this one, right, and we'll talk about it more tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. Finally, in the closing out of the campaign,
Speaker 1: it gets around to offering her opportunity agenda for black men.
Speaker 1: And what do you think one of the key points
Speaker 1: in her opportunity agenda for black men is and you'd
Speaker 1: have to think if she really cared about these men,
Speaker 1: she would have not waited till like the final hours.
Speaker 1: But anyway, hey, wait for it.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: It is legalize recreational marijuana and create opportunities for black
Speaker 1: Americans to succeed in the marijuana industry. I see, this
Speaker 1: is the thing. You've got the appeal of Trump, right,
Speaker 1: You've got the appeal of Trump to folks. But then
Speaker 1: beyond that, you have so many reasons why folks are
Speaker 1: now seeing way a second. This Democratic Party. They just
Speaker 1: take my vote and then kick me in the crotch.
Speaker 1: So have we ever known a political party in modern
Speaker 1: times that is more overtly racist in policies in effect,
Speaker 1: because when you look at so many of these Democrat policies,
Speaker 1: in of fact, they're overtly racist. You know, Black children
Speaker 1: are killed at a five to one rate over whites
Speaker 1: through abortion, yet Democrats worship at the altar of abortion.
Speaker 1: If a child of color is lucky enough to survive
Speaker 1: the Democrats glorification of abortion and actually be born, well,
Speaker 1: well then the Democrats fight to the death to keep
Speaker 1: disproportionately kids of color out of having true school choice.
Speaker 1: And so what happens Then you have all these good
Speaker 1: talented kids who never have a fair opportunity in life
Speaker 1: because they don't have a fair opportunity in education. And
Speaker 1: then you get stuff like this. I mean, how how
Speaker 1: racist is this? Oh yeah, we're going to create opportunities
Speaker 1: for black men, We're going to legalize weed for you.
Speaker 1: We're going to legalize weed for you. I mean, how
Speaker 1: could anything be more insulting? Eight five five Z five
Speaker 1: A two five five the number. Let's go back up
Speaker 1: to beautiful Cheyenne, Wyo. I mean, talk to Carol. You're
Speaker 1: on the Dan Kapla show. Welcome, Hi, how are you? Dan?
Speaker 7: Of course, okay, I just wanted to point out a
Speaker 7: bit of a contradiction in the Democratic policy with abortion.
Speaker 7: And first off, they're obviously pushing for it and pro
Speaker 7: pro choice, you know, anti life, whatever you want to
Speaker 7: call it, they're pushing for the Yeah. So but then
Speaker 7: I saw, I think this is Sunday that Bill Clinton
Speaker 7: was in front of a group that he said that
Speaker 7: we were falling behind in our population, so we have
Speaker 7: to import immigrant babies. How many of those babies would
Speaker 7: we not need to be imported if we didn't have
Speaker 7: as many abortions?
Speaker 1: Well, we know the math, right, We know that that
Speaker 1: at least five hundred thousand females are killed each year
Speaker 1: through abortion, and so we start with that math, and
Speaker 1: we know about five hundred thousand little boys are killed
Speaker 1: each year through abortion as well. And the math yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and then you can get into some of the fine
Speaker 1: points of how you calculate what the net effect on
Speaker 1: population is, but you start with that you're killing half
Speaker 1: a million females a year.
Speaker 7: Yeah. One of the things that a party that we
Speaker 7: have been kind of arguing about, I guess you know this.
Speaker 7: This person said that, well, you know, if all of
Speaker 7: these aborted babies were adopted, which they are not being adopted,
Speaker 7: but I think many of them.
Speaker 4: Would have been.
Speaker 7: But you know, it's like, why are we having the
Speaker 7: substitute non citizen babies, you know, instead of promoting promoting
Speaker 7: life of American.
Speaker 1: And Carol the music means I have to go, but
Speaker 1: thank you for your call.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Bill Clinton comments, first of all, I think they
Speaker 1: were calculated to undermine Kamala Harris, just as Barack Obama's
Speaker 1: comments were. They know that if she's elected, she's going
Speaker 1: to tank the Democrats in twenty six and twenty eight.
Speaker 1: The last thing they want is for her to win,
Speaker 1: and they're doing a good job of that. You're on
Speaker 1: the Dan Caplis.
Speaker 5: Show, you're listening to the Dan Kaplish Show podcast.
Speaker 8: And then there's the weight of the fact she's the
Speaker 8: VP in an unpopular administration.
Speaker 5: We asked about President Biden's.
Speaker 8: Policies, are they helping or hurting your family? Just a
Speaker 8: quarter of voters said they're helping.
Speaker 1: Nearly have said they're hurting. And then here's the interesting twist.
Speaker 8: We also asked folks think back to when Donald Trump
Speaker 8: was president, did his policies help or hurt your family?
Speaker 8: And look at the difference forty four percent helping, thirty
Speaker 8: one hurting. Trump's the retrospective, you would say, opinion of
Speaker 8: Trump's president among voters arguably higher now than when he
Speaker 8: was president.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and liosten, the vast majority of us are going
Speaker 1: to vote our family, self interest, right, And that tells
Speaker 1: you everything right there in the poll, because I bet
Speaker 1: you a whole bunch of people in that polls that
Speaker 1: I'm voting for Kamala Harris will end up voting for
Speaker 1: Donald Trump because in the end, they talk about what
Speaker 1: makes them angry, but they're going to vote on what
Speaker 1: affects them. Let's go to the VIP line. Everybody jamming
Speaker 1: the lines. I will get to you shortly. Please do
Speaker 1: hold on, but really want you to hear from Jeff her.
Speaker 1: Jeff's a really good, talented guy. And he's running for
Speaker 1: the seat that Lauren Bobert currently holds. He's running in
Speaker 1: CD three against Adam Frish, who I think at this
Speaker 1: point is probably raised about a billion dollars. Jeff, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Dan Kapli Show.
Speaker 9: Hey, Dan, you're not far off there with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but remember I mean new coke. They spent one
Speaker 1: half a billion in that campaign, and you never saw
Speaker 1: anybody drinking new coke.
Speaker 9: But so exactly right when I say dollars, don't vote,
Speaker 9: people vote Dan, and my opponent got the money, but
Speaker 9: we've got the people, and that's how we're.
Speaker 3: Going to win.
Speaker 1: Aimen to that. Let me give you the give everybody
Speaker 1: the website. It's Jeff heard h U r D for
Speaker 1: Colorado dot Com. Hey, what's the latest down there? What's
Speaker 1: animating this race? What are the polls showing?
Speaker 9: Listen, we're in a position to win this if we've
Speaker 9: got the resources to get our message out, and we do.
Speaker 9: We're actually going to report a big fundraising quarter here
Speaker 9: in just a little bit this afternoon. But people are
Speaker 9: anxious for a new direction here, Dan, and they know
Speaker 9: that it's not going to come from a liberal Democrat
Speaker 9: from Aspen. They want the guy that is from this district.
Speaker 9: That's me, And who's for this district, who's going to
Speaker 9: help secure the border, who's going to grow our energy economy,
Speaker 9: bring and inflation, and who's also going to protect our
Speaker 9: water in our egg And that's me, Jeff heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And obviously Frusha spend all this money trying to
Speaker 1: tell people he's more conservative than Reagan, and hopefully people
Speaker 1: see through all that. But Jeff, if you would take
Speaker 1: a second and tell folks a little bit about you,
Speaker 1: you have a great story.
Speaker 3: Sure I'll call it.
Speaker 9: A native grew up on the Western Slope and Grand Junction,
Speaker 9: proud graduate of Grand Junction and High School, married father
Speaker 9: of five kids, and I have a rural electric cooperative practice.
Speaker 9: I've been helping rural Colorado grow and thrive for many years,
Speaker 9: and I'm working hard to make sure that we create
Speaker 9: opportunities for families and small businesses up and down the
Speaker 9: Western Slope in southern Colorado. And that's why I'm running.
Speaker 9: And I'm the guy that's going to deliver for rural Colorado.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody listening understands that, just as Gabe
Speaker 1: up in CDA, that race could decide control of the House,
Speaker 1: yours could as well, and the stakes there are obvious
Speaker 1: to all. So how can people beyond just writing a check?
Speaker 1: If folks can afford to or putting the credit card
Speaker 1: on your website, how can they help the campaign?
Speaker 9: Well, if you're living here in the third Congressional District,
Speaker 9: make sure that your friends and neighbors know to vote
Speaker 9: for Jeff Herd and that don't be fooled by the
Speaker 9: liberal assid and Democrat pertainy like he's conservative.
Speaker 1: We need to vote for Jeff Herd.
Speaker 9: If you're interested in helping out right, contact us through
Speaker 9: our website that you gave Jeff Heard for callater dot com.
Speaker 9: We would love to have you making phone calls, reaching out,
Speaker 9: phone banking. You do not have to live in the
Speaker 9: third Confessional Dissort to do that. So, if you live
Speaker 9: in Denver and you want to make sure that we
Speaker 9: help grow a Republican majority in Congress, and you want
Speaker 9: to support Jeff Heard, reach out on our website. We
Speaker 9: would love to have you as part of the team.
Speaker 9: Would love to have you making phone calls and getting
Speaker 9: voters to the poll so that we can win in
Speaker 9: November three weeks from today.
Speaker 1: Man, you know, I get excited thinking about you know,
Speaker 1: what a great crew of Republicans we could have in
Speaker 1: all these congressional seats if all of you win, and
Speaker 1: obviously control of the House, but just very very effective.
Speaker 1: Everybody brings some real talent to the table. So appreciate
Speaker 1: the time today, Jeff, and let's talk a bunch before
Speaker 1: election day.
Speaker 9: That sounds great, Dan, Thanks so much for the time.
Speaker 1: Have a great afternoon you too. Thank you. That is
Speaker 1: Jeff Herd. Please do give them a close look. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have some really talented people now running in these
Speaker 1: highly contested seats. Let's go back to the phone lines.
Speaker 1: We'll go to bout Michael in beautiful Denver. You're on
Speaker 1: the Dan Kaplis. You'll welcome.
Speaker 4: Hey, Dan, good evening.
Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you too.
Speaker 4: We had a caller earlier wanting to know about the
Speaker 4: judges and what could be done and how do you
Speaker 4: find out information? So, like you, I'm a well not
Speaker 4: like you. I'm a fifty two year trial lawyer. So
Speaker 4: I've been in that courtroom just a little another decade
Speaker 4: than you have. But so I know some of the
Speaker 4: judges and I'm happy to comment on them because no
Speaker 4: one knows my last name, So I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: put my client myself before my own client's interests. But
Speaker 4: we have a unique opportunity this time. Monica Marquez, this
Speaker 4: Chief Justice of the Colorado Supreme Court is on the ballot.
Speaker 4: This justice voted to take Donald Trump off the ballot
Speaker 4: in Colorado. So if you want to send a message,
Speaker 4: which you won't have another opportunity to do for several
Speaker 4: more years, you should vote know on the retention of
Speaker 4: Monica my cast. The other two justices that are on
Speaker 4: the ballot are Justice Birkenhauk Halter Maria Birkenhalter, and Justice
Speaker 4: Brian boat Right. Both of those justices voted in the
Speaker 4: descent in the Trump case, So I would urge a
Speaker 4: yes vote on those two judges.
Speaker 1: Brilliant yes.
Speaker 4: In fact, Carlos some Moore's descent was quoted extensively by
Speaker 4: the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: As that predict it would be yeah, but no, really
Speaker 1: well done, really well done.
Speaker 4: These are people that again, like I said, you're not
Speaker 4: going to have a chance for this in a while,
Speaker 4: but you can take Monica Marquez off the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: As far as the other judges are concerned, there really
Speaker 4: isn't an effective way to get information about them. We
Speaker 4: have this so called Judicial Performance Commission. They haven't recommended
Speaker 4: against the judge to be not retained in years and years.
Speaker 4: It's basically a rubber stamp. I don't know if you.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you were not practicing, and neither was when
Speaker 4: we used to vote for judges.
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, but I didn't think that.
Speaker 4: I didn't think that was the greatest system either. But
Speaker 4: this system also has to go. It's of no help
Speaker 4: to people. So hires people to vote no on all judges.
Speaker 4: The reason for that is that we need to send
Speaker 4: a message that we need a little bit different system
Speaker 4: and maybe if take some of these judges off the court,
Speaker 4: we'll get one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael, let me take the other side of that.
Speaker 1: Then tell me where you think I'm wrong. And that
Speaker 1: is and I want to throw out the disclaimer that
Speaker 1: I've mentioned many times over the decades i've been on air,
Speaker 1: and that is my real job is I'm a full
Speaker 1: time trial lawyer, been doing it forty years, hope to
Speaker 1: do it another forty And so if I'm critical of
Speaker 1: a judge, I never say so on air because my
Speaker 1: first obligation is to my clients, but I let my
Speaker 1: listeners know that. So there's full disclosure there. And so
Speaker 1: now getting back to your point, though, Michael, the idea
Speaker 1: we should vote against all judges. And I know this
Speaker 1: will sound kiss up. I don't care. I just tell
Speaker 1: the truth, and this is the truth my experience doing
Speaker 1: it forty years and I've had the privileges. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you have to be in lots of courtrooms, in front
Speaker 1: of lots of judges, et cetera. Is I am extraordinarily
Speaker 1: impressed with the quality of judges overall in Colorado. Has
Speaker 1: everyone ruled in my favor? No, if I agreed with
Speaker 1: every single ruling, of course not. But I am incredibly
Speaker 1: impressed with the overall quality of judges in Colorado. So
Speaker 1: the idea of just voting no on everybody when you've
Speaker 1: got all of these you know you got to and
Speaker 1: you would agree with this, I'm sure, Michael. You've got
Speaker 1: a ton of men and women out there working really
Speaker 1: hard and it could be making a lot more money
Speaker 1: in private practice, and they're doing this great public service
Speaker 1: and they're doing a hell of a job at it.
Speaker 1: And to tell everybody to vote against all those folks,
Speaker 1: to me, that's backwards.
Speaker 4: Okay, well let me comment sure. So what we're noticing
Speaker 4: these days is that we have a lot of younger
Speaker 4: judges with not a lot of not only legal experience,
Speaker 4: but life experience. And the reason for that is it's difficult.
Speaker 4: As you know, it is not easy to make a
Speaker 4: living practicing law.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 4: You have a position that has you know, a number
Speaker 4: of days off a year, full full para, benefits, all
Speaker 4: medical insurance, and paid a pretty good salary. So to
Speaker 4: go out and make that in private practice, believe me,
Speaker 4: requires a heck of a lot of work. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying we don't have good judges, of course, we do
Speaker 4: what we have right now, though on this bench uniformly,
Speaker 4: and I'm talking about Denver. That's where my experience is
Speaker 4: is young inexperienced people. In most cases, they don't belong
Speaker 4: on the bench, and they're on the bench because of
Speaker 4: sometimes their political philosophy. People can go through the blue
Speaker 4: books and look and see what these various interests of
Speaker 4: these people are and the kind of organizations that they
Speaker 4: belong to. So that would be my response, if you
Speaker 4: bought some of the good with the bad, we will,
Speaker 4: but we have to change this system somehow, and the
Speaker 4: only way the average voter can do that is to
Speaker 4: vote now.
Speaker 1: But wait a second. I called my experience has been
Speaker 1: and it's not like a week's worth, it's forty years worth,
Speaker 1: you know, state and federal. My experience has been the
Speaker 1: polar opposite of yours. I could bring in a stack
Speaker 1: of bibles. Ryan, do we have our stack of bibles? Handy,
Speaker 1: bring him in here. I'll put my hand on it,
Speaker 1: and I will swear to you, if that's permitted, that
Speaker 1: I have never been in front of a judge, the
Speaker 1: youngest one, the oldest one. I've never been in front
Speaker 1: of a judge who was anything other than super smart.
Speaker 1: And I've never been in front of a judge who
Speaker 1: couldn't have made more money outside being a judge. And
Speaker 1: so I just couldn't disagree with you on that more.
Speaker 1: And then what I want to ask you is, and
Speaker 1: we've got to pop on this segment, but you're welcome
Speaker 1: to stay. What system would you switch to? What system
Speaker 1: would you switch to that's going to produce better judges?
Speaker 1: Because again, you've got fifty two years of it. I
Speaker 1: got forty, and I I'm trying to remember a truly
Speaker 1: bad judge that I've seen in forty years, and I can't.
Speaker 1: So we'll come back and give Michael a say, because
Speaker 1: he disagrees with me on this, but I'd like to
Speaker 1: know what system he would want to put in place.
Speaker 1: He wants to blow this one up, what system would
Speaker 1: he want to put in place. You're on the Dan
Speaker 1: Kapla Show.
Speaker 5: And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast, Mayor Kaufman.
Speaker 3: But what you know is we have areas in our city, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: that have been overtaken and that we have to take
Speaker 3: back three by street, block by block.
Speaker 1: That was on my show a few months ago. Hey,
Speaker 1: and you've got the lefties out there now saying no, no,
Speaker 1: Trump's exaggerating problems at Aurora. My goodness. Hey, everybody on
Speaker 1: the text and calls, appreciate your patience and have a
Speaker 1: call from a gentleman name Michael. He's been practicing law
Speaker 1: for fifty two years and he was just telling us that, hey,
Speaker 1: he thinks this whole system of selecting judges in Colorado
Speaker 1: needs to be redone. I could not disagree with him more.
Speaker 1: I'm summarizing what we've just been through. I think we
Speaker 1: have a tremendously strong bench in Colorado, and I've been
Speaker 1: doing it forty years, twelve less than him, but I
Speaker 1: could not be more impressed with the overall quality of
Speaker 1: the bench. So that's where we left at. Michael, I
Speaker 1: wanted to give you a chance for a last word.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to rudely cut you off.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Dan, and listen, we have a lot more
Speaker 4: important things to talk about in this election than judges.
Speaker 4: But let me just say this to you. Fortunately, in
Speaker 4: your practice, while there's certainly pre trial work that needs
Speaker 4: to be done and where judges need to be involved,
Speaker 4: decisions in most of your cases I assume are made
Speaker 4: by jury.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but there that there are so many other issues, Michael,
Speaker 1: that is so much motions practice.
Speaker 4: Well, sure there isn't in any practice. But again, in
Speaker 4: your practice, ultimately the decisions made by the jury. That's
Speaker 4: not the case in a lot of practices. You do
Speaker 4: domestic work for a while and you'll see that judges
Speaker 4: make the decisions in those cases, and they're not always good,
Speaker 4: and they're not always what is in the best interest
Speaker 4: of the people. So again, take a look at your
Speaker 4: blue book, not you, but your audience. Take a look
Speaker 4: at your blue book and see if you've learned anything
Speaker 4: about the people you are voting for. As I said,
Speaker 4: and I'll say again, Monica Marquez needs to go. Thanks
Speaker 4: for the time.
Speaker 1: Dan really appreciate it, Michael appreciate the call. And again,
Speaker 1: what I've said before, and I've said over the decades
Speaker 1: on air, is my real job is I'm a trial lawyer,
Speaker 1: and so I never say anything critical about a judge
Speaker 1: on air. My obligation is to my clients. If I
Speaker 1: say something positive about a judge, it's because I truly
Speaker 1: believe it. But what I will say to you is this,
Speaker 1: And if you're sitting right in front of me, I'd
Speaker 1: look you in the eye and you could see I
Speaker 1: believe it to my core. I spent my whole adult
Speaker 1: life in courtrooms in Colorado, like all over the place
Speaker 1: here and some other states, and I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: that the quality of judges across Colorado, from the smallest
Speaker 1: towns to the biggest, is incredibly high. Doesn't mean I've
Speaker 1: agreed with every single ruling. It's a human process, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm here to tell you I honestly I can't
Speaker 1: think of another profession where the quality has been uniformly
Speaker 1: as high as it is with judges. And I think
Speaker 1: part of the reason for that is you know that
Speaker 1: you've got the selection process. You got three finalists. They
Speaker 1: are appointed by governors, and so there is that process
Speaker 1: in place. And all I'm saying is, I think the
Speaker 1: last thing in the world people would want to do
Speaker 1: is blow that up because it again in favor of
Speaker 1: what Because I just see and you know, I was
Speaker 1: mentioning to somebody the other day. I recently had a case.
Speaker 1: I won't mention it, of course the particular county, but
Speaker 1: a very very very small county in Colorado, and Michael
Speaker 1: had been mentioning young judges and I had a judge
Speaker 1: literally I've got a pair of shoes at home than
Speaker 1: the judge we had in that case. And she was brilliant.
Speaker 1: I mean she was one of the greatest judges I've
Speaker 1: ever seen anywhere, and tough and smart and equally tough
Speaker 1: on both sides, absolutely brilliant, and so yeah, I just
Speaker 1: could not disagree with someone more than I disagree with
Speaker 1: Michael on this. And you got to make your own
Speaker 1: decisions on individual judges. I'm just telling you, overall, as
Speaker 1: a system, we're really lucky we have what we have
Speaker 1: in Colorado. All Right, I'm sorry I chewed up everybody's time,
Speaker 1: but that's an important issue and we get a bunch
Speaker 1: of texts and calls. Here's what I want to say
Speaker 1: to the folks kind enough to be on the line now.
Speaker 1: If you want to call back at the start of
Speaker 1: the show tomorrow, I'll make sure you get on first.
Speaker 1: Kelly can take your names. Kelly, would you talk to
Speaker 1: these nice people and make sure they have a chance
Speaker 1: to come on first tomorrow if they want to do that. Texters,
Speaker 1: we got a ton of great texts coming in, all
Speaker 1: of which are going to be equally relevant tomorrow because
Speaker 1: this election is not going away. It'll just be one
Speaker 1: day closer tomorrow and we'll get to that as well. Ryan,
Speaker 1: I can't see through the glare. Who is your protege today?
Speaker 1: Who's helping us out? I want to make sure I
Speaker 1: think this person who's done a very good job. We
Speaker 1: have not had any glitches. Where did Ryan go?
Speaker 3: See?
Speaker 1: If you're in our studio, we have this big glare
Speaker 1: on the window, so I literally cannot see who is
Speaker 1: behind there. So whoever you are, thank you. You are spectacular.
Speaker 1: You should get a raise. You want to introduce yourself,
Speaker 1: my friend, You want to come on, say hello, what's
Speaker 1: your name? Whoever you are, you did a tremendous job. Hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going. I hope you'll come back tomorrow. Kelly,
Speaker 1: thank you as well, and please do join us tomorrow
Speaker 1: on the Dankapla Show