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Speaker 6: All right, what's up. Welcome. I hope you're all having

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a great day. What's up? Welcome? Hopefully you saw the

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bomb ass hour we did getting deep into the history

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of Western civilization, Islam, Judaism, Zionism, rabbinic errors, et cetera,

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that I did today in the fourth hour with Harrison.

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Of course, it's never enough. If you don't talk about

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Zionism every single day, it's because you're a Zionist. But

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I think you'll find my fourth hour was quite informative

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and charitably nuanced. Today is a special day because I'm

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going to be taking any calls. That means, if you're

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a Categhuman, and you have your basic catechumen inquiry questions

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questions as well as anybody who does want to debate.

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I noticed that the trend seems to be nobody really

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wants to debate anymore. That means we've beaten all the

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final bosses and now we can stand atop we we

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we are. We are van dam at the end of

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the kumaiteekuma Te, so now we can help train all

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of you. Kumaite entrance, Welcome to the Kumaite. I am

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your host, Frank Dukes, Cia Assassin, Masade Assassin and notorious

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martial arts fraud and con man. I'm just kidding. I'm

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not though, because but that's Frank Duke's claims, but that's

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who Blood Sports based on. So basically, I'm like, I

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punched what's his name in the nuts, that Asian dude

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that's always the bad guy in the VANDAM movies. I

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punched him in the nuts, and I'm like, oh, and

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here we are no more opponents. I guess Tim Gordon

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So debates are done, dude, debates are cook man. I'm

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just kidding. They're not. But you know what I mean,

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to debate, so I don't even know. I've got somebody said,

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make the the thing small and then you show your face,

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I mean unless it's the end of the kumte. I mean,

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the Internet at this time. Chung Lee, Yeah, exactly. I

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think his name is like Tongue Po, or is tong

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Po his name? I get his real name mixed up

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with his blood sports name. Anyway, it doesn't matter. You

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like to face bigger with the little little screen, or

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you want me to humble myself and get smaller so

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that the screen can increase chungus Lee anyway. So to

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kick it off, first thing we're gonna do before we

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what are the best introductory books to Orthodoxy. I'm gonna

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in specific topics. Every day, and I'm not exaggerating and

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most easily readable and accessible, two hundred page book critiquing

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the Papacy. I'm well aware that the Roman Catholicists have

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their books. It doesn't matter. It's still the best starting point.

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set of a contest that we helped to come to

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become Orthodox. And then he wrote that excellent book next,

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a little more advanced, but also just probably one of

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from this. The very excellent hundred ish page book Church

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Papacy Schism by doctor Phillip Chrard. This book critiques the

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papacy in ways that no other critics address it. It

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recent giant two volume Errors of the Latins, which is

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deep difficult theological issues. But I would say definitely start

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grasped a good bit of it. But even when I

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times and it made a lot more sense then. After

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that book, the next best book, which is going to

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of the Holy Spirit, the Apidictic Treatise the Procession of

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the Holy Spirit, also by Uncut Mountain Press. This one

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really understand our position on the papacy. And then there's

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this topic, what's the best book on this topic, what

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about this topic, what about that topic? So I'm giving

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theological topics, then don't worry. I'm going to give you

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also other entry points that are perhaps more basic or

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very accessible and very readable. It might have some challenges,

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but it's directly about Gary Palmus himself, and it's called

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and it's theologies called The Deification of Man by Giorgios Manzarids.

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the Eastern Church by Vladimir Lawski is probably one of

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the better starting points for the energy's doctrine and the

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trinity and how they all relate. But also doctor Phillip

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this topic, particularly the chapter from Philosophy to Theology in

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the Latin West. That is one of the best introductory

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introductory theological discussions that you could pick up. I think

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a just strictly a history text. I do have it,

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versus this, versus this. So people were saying that rather

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than me in the tiny little box, two tiny little boxes,

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it should be me as a big box and then

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the information in a smaller box. So I've done that

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as per audience request. Okay, So moving on other texts

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the same old book recommendations. If you're interested in introduction

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Mystical Theology by Losky, but also Byzantine Theology by Father

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John Meyendorff. It's really really good. Those are necessary texts,

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but for a more broad introduction to all of Orthodox

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theology in terms of Katechisis, and this is the book

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that Father decin Anonius has chosen for his ongoing online Katechisis,

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get if you're serious and you're not just studying, you'll

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want to get a prayer book. And I have been

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the time of the Cappadocians and their philosophical system, the

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milieu of that time. There's no better book than Yaroslav

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in a very helpful way, kind of explains a lot

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cited in every Patristian. Uh, you know context that you're

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not what the Church chose as its Trinitarian confession. Not

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down playing or dissing Augustine, it's just I made the

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mistake of going directly into Latin theology and Augustine in

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my early twenties and parking myself there for the next

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Eastern Fathers, particularly the Cappadocians. And I didn't even realize

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Cappadocian model of the Trinity. And that's pretty much a

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completely different paradigm from what ends up being standard Latin Roman,

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Catholic and unfortunately Protestant theology as well. So who is Bo?

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Thank you guys for the super chat. So look, hopefully

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this helps give us a starting point and you won't

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to read about this or that? Now I'm not mad

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at you for asking me these questions, but let's look

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over here for people that are interested in reading about

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Saint Maximus. Of course, this is the place that everybody

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Cosmic Mystery. It's selections from Saint Maximus the Confessor. It's

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the blue one. If you want to get started on

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to go into reading Saint Augustine, you're not going to

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finish the City of God. That's twelve hundred pages. Don't

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pick up some gigantic, twelve hundred page text, you're not

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more basic stuff, like on the Incarnation. As you get

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is the first systematic theology. So even though the kind

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cetical lectures of Saint Cyril Jerusalem are catechisas talks, it's

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still not what we call a systematic theology, and that's

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what Saint John Damascus created here with this text. And

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then I would say you could branch off, for sure

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if you want to. Those are not going to be

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theologically challenging. I would say though, that if you want

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to get into specifically the problems in Calvinism and why

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Calvinism and Protestant Christology and PSA is wrong, you're going

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to need to read On the Unity of Christ by

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Saint Cyril, which is a very short book, but it's

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also very essential. And you're gonna want to read The

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Christological Controversy by John mcguckan. And I'm not recommending the

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rest of John mcguckan, but specifically just that book. So

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notice I'm not saying that everything from these authors is

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all infallible you have to read. No, I'm giving you

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very specific topics, and specifically, the Christology that Saint Cyril

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has is what will ultimately refute and invert your deformed

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Calvinist presuppositions and your PSA stuff. So believe it or not,

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I'm not going to tell you to immediately find some

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exegesis of Romans. No, it's the crystological change that will

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traditional quote unquote Protestant theology. Now beyond that, when you

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have more specific problems and questions, Oh what about Mary?

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Icons Defense the Holy Images by St. Theodore and Saint

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John Damascus. Those are two very accessible, easy to read texts.

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So hopefully this kind of gives you a place to start.

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want to read on the canon. Well, get Lee McDonald's

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book Formation of the Christian Biblical Canon. Get F. F.

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Bruce's book Canon of Scripture, and you'll see that in

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those Protestant authors they admit the role of tradition and

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patristics in the formation of the Biblical canon and the

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necessity of tradition, and so thus that in that case

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there's no Bible alone, standalone thing where we don't have

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a necessity of some apostolic tradition or some notion of

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you know, Church tradition. So these are places to start.

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are in the abstract, in the theological realm, which is necessary,

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but they're not really going to be about what you're

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going to find in the next several years of being

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orthodox becomes your focus, because what's going to happen is

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you're going to think that it's all these issues that

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have to be resolved, and then three four, five, ten

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years in you are actually battling your own passions and

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that is more important than getting the right books. And

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you're going to find how challenging and how difficult battling

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and defeating your sins and your passions is versus having

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the right Amazon wish list, And your Amazon wish list

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isn't going to get you in heaven. It might help you.

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But anyway, so these are some of my recommendations. Certainly

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there are other books that could easily be in the list,

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but we got to start somewhere, and hopefully this will

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help sort of cover the main topics that come up,

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because it's almost always the case that you know, when

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someone calls in, what do I need to read on this?

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What do I need to read on this? So there

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you go. Hopefully that is helpful. Now again, I know

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there's many, many more books, but if you need a

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specific title, I'm happy to give it to you. But also,

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if you watch the streams most of this stuff, who's

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already there if you pay attention. What's up? H rowsey?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Ages and that the split between East and West in

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terms of a focus on church history, not so much

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a focus on dogmatic theology, although it does come up,

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is Christian East and the Rise of the Papacy by

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Mayandorphan Papa Dooccus. This is also probably the best of

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that time frame, and there are many books that cover

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that time period, but that one is the best I've

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seen so far. Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Man? All right? Hey, you hear me this? Yeah? All right?

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you know, I told you I was watching old live

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streams and I was thinking about something as I was

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watching them. So, like you, you've been posting a lot

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the past couple of well, you and the FDA have

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and Muslim problem, and you know, you've been sharing some

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interactions that that we have with like but let's call

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it like Christian infighting, like you know, differences we have

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with Coptics and you know, Catholics and stuff like that.

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with Muslims. Whereas they just they absolutely cannot grasp these

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things that you're saying to they to this, there's only thing,

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well maybe two or three that have ever grasped the

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Muslim dilimma. And it's like a basic, very basic hypothetical

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you're giving them and they and they just can't understand it.

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Speaker 7: Uh, like you know, like big big theological differences and

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stuff like that that that actually takes i Q and understanding.

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the income and problem we're having with them, like, people

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need to take that into consideration because it reflects what's like,

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it reflects what's going on in Europe right now. They

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don't understand and maybe even can't understand the differences. You know,

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we try and you know, established, you know, get across

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to them, and they just resort to vidence.

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Speaker 7: That's pretty much it as far as the like and

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I compared it to I compared it to like the

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the experienced. Well, I don't want to ship on YouTube.

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I don't want to say that, but uh, let's just

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say it's very similar of what goes on with the

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Lak people, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, I mean you're right that in general

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that's the case. I did see however, today on my

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in my news feed, two hundred and fifty black people

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former Muslims were just baptized in Tanzania. So it is

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possible to convert and catechize, you know, people in third

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world situations, primitive situations. But I think typically the katekisis

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is different. And that's what we see when certain elders

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have catechized you know, sub Sharan African tribes. They don't

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focus on you know, high falutin theological issues. They try

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to make the katekisas as basic as possible. And that's

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just the fact. It's not me being racist. I'm just

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telling you the facts. So yeah, how to how to

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deal with the incoming Muslim influx in terms of apologetics,

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there is no easy answers to that because you know

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a lot of these people are not going to care

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about and don't care about your metaphysical nuances to explain

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the trinity. So uh and and they're not you know,

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going to get the Islamic dilemma. So I think probably

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you know, that's an interesting question.

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Speaker 8: How many, I bet it's really really rare, how many

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Muslims convert to Christianity?

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Speaker 6: H Well, I saw two hundred and fifty today on

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on Instagram in Tanzania. They were just about yeah, two

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hundred and fifty black Muslims converted to Orthodoxy in Tanzania.

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Speaker 1: What was the story behind that?

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Speaker 4: I'm interested.

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Speaker 6: It's I just saw I just saw the it in

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my feet. I don't know, I didn't read deep into it.

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By the way, shout out to this guy that I

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get to do a podcast with the other day's names.

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Lewis Brackpool seems like a really good dude. We chatted

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the other day that a show on the history of

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Fabian Socialism. If you didn't see that podcast, go check

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it out. But he also noticed I was watching some

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of his videos today. He actually got some FOYA documents

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and figured out the specific NGOs that are importing the

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Infinity Muslims into Britain on purpose. And one thing he

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noticed was how many of these politicians, not just Cure Starmer,

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but many others are explicitly Fabian socialists. So this is

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becoming I think people are queuing into this and figuring

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this out a little more. And then the reason this

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is relevant today is because Cure Starmer yesterday or today

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was saying, oh, we're going to have straight up digital

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tracking and id to quote help with immigration. Nobody believes

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that because he's one that's persecuted the native British people

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and his whole party is about bringing in infinity Muslims

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so complete bullshit. Oh so well, then why is there

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an internet tracking? Oh to shut you down, to track it,

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that's why, to figure out who's saying what, and to

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persecute the existing indigenous people of Albion to angles. And

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so they have this goblin Fabian socialist psycho cure Starmer

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saying is time for a digital tracking and tracing? Id

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exactly what Brave New I mean nineteen eighty four is about. Remember,

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George Orwell was in the circles of the Fabian socialists.

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So when they have the party controlling the false opposition,

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bringing in the Fabian socialist stuff, it's called ingsok in

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the book English Socialism ing Sock. And he's not just

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writing fiction. He was in the circles of British Intelligence.

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He also spent time with social because he thought maybe

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socialists were real opposition. They were all like, hey, socialists

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are actually the false opposition, They're the controlled opposition. So

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Orwell is telling you his own personal experience from the

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bands in front of both the British Intelligence and being

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amongst socialists. He's like, oh, this is actually all the

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same stuff, and what have we been talking about for Okay?

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The first time I heard about NGO's think tanks and

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foundations playing this key role again was probably with two

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thousand and seven or eight, not just from Lord Voldemort,

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but reading f. Lay Mingdal because it was a big

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part of his books. And then by the time I

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think he wrote Full Spectrum Dominance in maybe twenty twelve

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or fourteen, that whole book is about that. And then

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by the time I read Tragy Hope, well, that's in

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the book quite a bit. And then you know the

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whole history of the OSS, the CFR, Builderberg, all that

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stuff is the same stuff that we're talking about. Steering groups,

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steering committees, think tanks, foundations. That's who is doing stuff,

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not really the politicians, but masses and majority of people

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still believe that the politicians are the ones doing everything.

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The politicians are the real movers and shakers according to

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00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,840
all the normies. No, they still haven't figured out. Politicians

474
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,679
don't run shit, CFR, Trilateral and all the infinity inngos

475
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,280
and thing tanks. Now, everybody, I don't care if you

476
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,199
critique JD. Vance, but that was the first time I've

477
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:41,599
ever heard a presidential person say, oh, it's actually the

478
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:45,920
networks of NGOs and think tanks and Soros entities doing this.

479
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,840
He said that the other day. Now, whether they're really

480
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,719
doing anything is a different thing. But it's the first

481
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,280
time I've ever heard any might talk about that from

482
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,519
that level of quote politics. Maybe Barry Goldwater said something

483
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,079
like that thirty forty years ago. Maybe maybe he said

484
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:05,320
something like that, But regardless, the point is, and it's

485
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,039
not just the Soros network. Okay, we all know that

486
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:14,280
that is responsible for the Antifa stuff and countless other

487
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,639
left goblin stuff. Well, you can root that out, and

488
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:23,119
that's great, but there is at least one million think

489
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,800
tanks in the world, and ninety ish to ninety five

490
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,079
percent of them are liberal. So if we uproot one

491
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,239
of the biggest, that's great. But it's kind of like

492
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,199
Dosee getting rid of usaid. That is good, but there's

493
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,280
a million other think tanks to fill the black hole,

494
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,079
or they'll just create twenty new NGOs to do the

495
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,320
same stuff. So we have to be aware that that's good. Yeah,

496
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,360
I hope that jd. Vance is really going to do

497
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,360
something about this, And I think Trump mentioned this too,

498
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,119
maybe in the past couple of days. Others. I can't

499
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,400
keep up with everything, but they are men the no

500
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,320
it was either heg Seth or Stephen Miller. One of

501
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,239
them said something like, we're going to root out this

502
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Soros network of NGOs and whatnot. Now this is about

503
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,960
ten fifteen years too late, though, because we were all

504
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,039
talking about this on our side of things a long

505
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:21,760
time ago and called every name in the book. We

506
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,599
were told how bad and evil we were for talking

507
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,239
about what was out there in the open Catholic charities

508
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,840
as well. By the way, all these Catholic charity groups

509
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,719
also need to go to prison for the same international

510
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,559
trafficking open borders trees and structure as well. So I

511
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,719
hope all of the idiot trad cats that defend all

512
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,679
of this, who are too stupid to realize their own

513
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,920
vatic and their own superstructure is a big part of

514
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,519
the problem. I hope they realized that they're supporting all

515
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,000
the people pushing trees, and that was Snack's argument several

516
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,199
years ago. That's why I'm more and more I don't

517
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:53,719
even want to interact with or have anything to do

518
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,960
with Roman Catholics. They can, they're welcome to call in.

519
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:59,440
I'm still going to be friends with certain Roman Catholics

520
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,119
like Tim Gordon, but like I just they're insane. I

521
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:08,760
don't under that. There's there's no you can't read. There's

522
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,800
a certain point where you can't reason with people anymore.

523
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,920
So you just got to move on. Did you want

524
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,840
to say something for the digging?

525
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: Oh, you'll get a kick out of this.

526
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,679
Speaker 8: So Thursday's class ask my students can you define what

527
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,599
enormy is?

528
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: And it was really good. They were like, oh, somebody who.

529
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 8: Can't do an analysis further than like politics left and right,

530
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,000
Like that's.

531
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: That's so well said huh.

532
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 8: Their analysis goes as well, it's it's communists and Islamo.

533
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 6: Terrorism or I mean, did normies even care about politics?

534
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,599
I mean maybe at a very just basic like you said, yeah,

535
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,920
like a very super basic.

536
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: And then the students have another thing.

537
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 8: Enormis somebody that says things are the way they appear

538
00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:58,400
they are.

539
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 6: That's a good one. That's another good you know, characteristic.

540
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I, Michael, that's a really good I was

541
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,840
actually shocked only five students out of the class that

542
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,199
like twenty five thirty raised their hand to know what

543
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,000
the word normany even meant. But like those who did

544
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:17,639
gave a really good definition. Of and it's just kind

545
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:21,280
of odd. You know, we have a certain kind of

546
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,599
group that's online that we know exactly the kind of

547
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:31,320
terms that they're familiar with, and but you know, we

548
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,000
think like all Z generations that way. It's like they're not, like,

549
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,119
I mean, out of thirty people, I thought everybody knew

550
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,559
what Normy was, only five or six knew.

551
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: Is that odd? Yeah?

552
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, Catholic Charney's literally is there to help facilitate the

553
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:06,000
movement of these people into the US. So Henry, also,

554
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,239
if you have your questions, keep your questions concise, Please

555
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,719
don't ramble. Ask your questions. Let's get to the point

556
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,760
so we can move on. But also you're welcome to

557
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,159
calling in debate if you disagree.

558
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 9: What's up, man, Hey, Jaye, good to talk togain Man, Hey,

559
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,360
I got a super quick question for you.

560
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: Maybe FDA can answer it.

561
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,559
Speaker 1: So in Revelation four four, we.

562
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 10: See the twenty four elders judging the nations, and my

563
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,159
question is really on the twenty fourth seat, right is

564
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,639
you know, because we know that it's probably the fathers

565
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,360
of the twelve tribes of Israel, and then you know

566
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:39,559
eleven of the apostles.

567
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: Of course, Judas left them, So who.

568
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,159
Speaker 4: Would fill that final seat?

569
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: Is that Saint Mathias or Saint Paul or who would

570
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,039
that be.

571
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 6: I don't think it matters so much who the specific

572
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,880
person is, as it's a symbolic representation of twelve and

573
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,800
twelve because you know we have other people called equal

574
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,039
to the apostles, you know the names of the apostles

575
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,320
written on the twelve foundation stones. I think it's more

576
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,480
symbolic than it is some literal office of twenty four people.

577
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,239
It just represents the entire Church of Old Testament and

578
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,920
New Testament. Joe, what's up?

579
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: Joe? I'm you, Hey, what's up?

580
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:26,559
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?

581
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 6: Yep?

582
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:29,599
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah.

583
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,199
Speaker 11: So I wanted to ask if there's any way to

584
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,360
get around, like do you believe in younger theory or

585
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,920
do you have to believe, like not believe in evolution

586
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:43,719
to be orthodox.

587
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 6: Well, the proper attitude, I think would be to accept

588
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,559
what the Church teaches and what the church fathers teach,

589
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,920
not what can I get away with and get around.

590
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,360
So I think the whole attitude, the way the question

591
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,320
is framed is wrong because it's a question of you're

592
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,519
submitting your entire paradigm to divine revelation. You're not gonna

593
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,559
tell a divine revelation. Okay, I'm gonna submit eighty percent,

594
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,159
but twenty percent no, because I because I don't understand

595
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,199
that part. I don't get that part yet. Now I'm

596
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,320
not saying that you're wrong for having hold ups or

597
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,719
you know, you know, issues that you don't find to

598
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,400
be clear yet, or issues of conscience. That's understandable. But

599
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,440
a lot of times what happens with people that convert

600
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:25,639
or come into Orthodoxy is they have the attitude of

601
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,920
I'm gonna fix Orthodoxy and I'm gonna tell all of them, Oh,

602
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,199
you need to be actually be Tomas. Oh, actually evolution

603
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,800
needs to be taught everywhere in Orthodoxy. Blah blah blah

604
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,679
blah blah.

605
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 8: That's what I God, forgive them, forgive me.

606
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:40,599
Speaker 1: That's what I actually thought. You know, we all thought that.

607
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,559
Speaker 6: I've thought that too. When I was first getting into

608
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,119
oh I need to fix orthodox I was very Latin minded.

609
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,400
I thought I got to bring on Extinianism into Orthodoxy.

610
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,079
I had these same temptations back in the build.

611
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:50,199
Speaker 1: Now I never did.

612
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 12: I met a couple of people that's really odd that says, oh,

613
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,679
I don't believe that about Orthodox not really kind of

614
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,199
how it works.

615
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,519
Speaker 1: I don't believe the Orthodox dogmon my fall.

616
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,519
Speaker 8: Was well, of course all the fathers are anarchical capitalists.

617
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: I just got to convince everybody in the of course.

618
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say, read book like Genesis, Creation Early Man,

619
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,519
read Saint Basil tex Samaran, and then read The First

620
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,199
Creative Man by Saint Simeon, and then come back and

621
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,760
see if you think that you could smash theistic evolution

622
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,159
into that don't know what's up?

623
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: Hello, yep, hey day, thanks for thanks for having me here.

624
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 5: I wanted to say I listened to Urine Richard Grove's

625
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:49,679
podcast on Have All Things talking about Fabian socialism.

626
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:50,639
Speaker 7: I really really.

627
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 5: Appreciate that kind of open eyes to a lot of stuff.

628
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: One of the things that I kind.

629
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 5: Of wanted to comment on is, you know, the politicians.

630
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,679
Speaker 1: Don't really run the world.

631
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,679
Speaker 5: Try that don't council all these n g O s

632
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,719
and thing tanks. Well, one of the you know, biggest

633
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,880
thing tanks out there, the Atlantic Council. They have a

634
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,559
whole bunch of x C I A uh x you

635
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:15,519
know FBI director.

636
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know they were they were the ones telling

637
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,280
Facebook and Twitter at the time who to censor back

638
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,719
during the Twitter files and all that, right, Right, So.

639
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 5: There's there's a there's an essence of politicians, uh you know,

640
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,719
leaving the leaving the government and then going to these

641
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,119
uh you know, think tanks to pedal influence and use

642
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:39,599
their influence that they still have in the government. So

643
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,960
I I I wouldn't say it's it's never the politicians.

644
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, obviously when I say that it's not the politicians,

645
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,400
I'm speaking at an ultimate level. I'm not saying politicians

646
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,199
have no power. So it's rhetorical language.

647
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:56,559
Speaker 5: Sure, that's yeah, that's fine.

648
00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 13: Uh.

649
00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:59,679
Speaker 5: You know another thing too, to kind of talk about

650
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:03,760
normal I've you know, I've had roommates growing up Normanis

651
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,440
have don't even care about politics.

652
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: They love football, they love they love their.

653
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,079
Speaker 6: Bad said normies don't care about politics. They just there

654
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:12,679
in sports.

655
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 8: What I meant by that is they think that's all

656
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,079
they're that there are two political parties and that's.

657
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 6: As far everything is surface level.

658
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything surface level.

659
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 8: So it's it's not that they're involved necessarily in politics.

660
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,079
It's just they think that that's as far up as.

661
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,079
Speaker 1: It goes, I'm not really interested in watching sports ball

662
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:39,519
and whatever, but that is normy sure.

663
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Then last before I hop off, j you know,

664
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,400
I appreciate everything you do for the you know, for

665
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:53,760
the movement, for Christianity in general. I I do want

666
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,679
to ask you know, when when you go to meet

667
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:58,920
the creator of the universe, you know, after you've passed

668
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,119
from this earth, Uh, he talks to you about He

669
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:05,079
asked you, hey, what what did you do for you know,

670
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:11,760
for me and and and in my cause on earth? Uh.

671
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,079
The the way you kind of lead young men to

672
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,079
kind of act like mongoloids and call each other and

673
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:22,960
call each other retards within the Christian community, it turns

674
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,800
a live young men.

675
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,039
Speaker 1: Off.

676
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,039
Speaker 5: I was on your uh spaces the other day. You

677
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:31,400
guys are talking about dunking on idiot conservatives, and one

678
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,920
of one of the things that I I just want

679
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,880
to encourage people is that you know, these some of

680
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,760
these idiot conservatives are are young people seeking truth and

681
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,360
it's our.

682
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,599
Speaker 6: Job is a powerful that's really powerful of you. Do

683
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:48,320
you do you think that insults are ever used in

684
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,119
the scriptures or church fathers for people?

685
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 8: Yeah?

686
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: I do?

687
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, so I lead men to act like mongol.

688
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: Lords one time, I didn't hear to.

689
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,039
Speaker 6: Hear, where where do I lead men to act like mongoloids?

690
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:04,440
I mean, it's just such a ridiculous thing.

691
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,159
Speaker 5: I think that was probably a bad phrasing.

692
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 4: Of that.

693
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 14: Of that.

694
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, so are you an evangelical?

695
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

696
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly so I knew right away that your gay

697
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,559
evangelical speak identified you as an evangelical and you are

698
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:25,119
the problem. You are the problem.

699
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:26,119
Speaker 5: There we go.

700
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, here we go. You're the one that started

701
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:30,960
here we go with your nonsense.

702
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Nonsense.

703
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 5: Okay, well, you know I do appreciate what you do, Jay,

704
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,239
even if you can be a you know, a dumb

705
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,239
bastard sometimes.

706
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,679
Speaker 6: And did you see how see what's funny about this

707
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,280
is that you did the exact same thing, see an

708
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,079
then he runs away like an exact effeminate skittles man.

709
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:54,559
So notice how fake that is that he comes to

710
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talk about piety and piety signaling and then does the

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ig exact same thing that he supposedly is saying. Is

712
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the worst thing. That's why these people are just just insufferable,

713
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disgusting people. I cannot stand. These people are the worst.

714
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The online piety signalers are the worst people.

715
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Speaker 15: What are you gonna say to the creative universe?

716
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Speaker 6: What he says? What did you do for me? What

717
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:31,039
did you do for me? That guy right there is

718
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the reason why people leave evangelicalism. What's up?

719
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Speaker 1: Man?

720
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Speaker 6: Jay has gone downhill?

721
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Speaker 16: Like?

722
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Speaker 6: What does that even mean? What are you even talking about?

723
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Speaker 1: Uh?

724
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Speaker 6: If you're I want that guy in the chat colin,

725
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what are you talking about?

726
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: John?

727
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Speaker 6: What's up?

728
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:58,159
Speaker 8: Remember when jaypis so awesome and he.

729
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Speaker 6: He just said, well, you notice how he couldn't control himself? Right,

730
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,320
So it's like, you need to have better self control?

731
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You disgusting? What did you? I forget what he called me?

732
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:15,480
But it's like virtuous victimhood and narcissistic dark triad traits exactly,

733
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but it is present. They're the worst.

734
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Speaker 8: It got infected with the kind of effeminate.

735
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Speaker 6: You know, emotionally, the whole thing was tone policing and

736
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wanting to demonstrate his own moral superiority. And then what's

737
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funny is like immediately when there's some confrontation or opposition,

738
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he does the worst version of the thing that he's

739
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:40,320
calling out in me.

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Speaker 16: I was like when they start out like by complimenting.

741
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Speaker 6: No, that's another effeminate trait where they want to particular I.

742
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Speaker 2: Love everything you do everything.

743
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you had disgusting parent.

744
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: I love what you do, but you're disgusting mongoloid.

745
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Speaker 16: That's an old that's an old trick from back in

746
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,599
the old days too, Like you know, call in and

747
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:14,079
start start out to get like when you used to

748
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:17,440
have to call into radio shows, you they'd have the

749
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screener and you tell them something different.

750
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Speaker 2: When you get on air, you totally go off on

751
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the host.

752
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Speaker 6: And you notice he immediately ran away too. When I

753
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started asking questions, he just left.

754
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Speaker 16: That's what you should make me and Father Deacon the

755
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:36,000
screen the screeners for the Jay Dyer Show.

756
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Speaker 6: It's weird too because like the evangelical that acts that way,

757
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like he doesn't even see, like he's like, oh I

758
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,400
told him and like told no self awareness of like

759
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,440
what actually went down.

760
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Speaker 8: You remember, I love the ones that like come on

761
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and argue on Twitter about how bad arguing is.

762
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another classic one that they do. Yeah.

763
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Speaker 6: Or that's mma guy that was on Fish Tank that

764
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called in to debate me about why debating is bad. Yep,

765
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all right, I gotta hold on I got a super

766
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check here from Bo says for fifty dollars. Setting aside,

767
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Doug Wilson, would you support a political doctrine of Christian nationalism?

768
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I did an entire livestream critiquing the problem with Protestant

769
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Christian nationalism in.

770
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Speaker 1: All these they just have all these infighting, they'd all

771
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kill each other.

772
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Speaker 6: Well, they're all too gay now, they wouldn't actually kill

773
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anybody that they're all like, yeah, they would be all

774
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beyond grinder trying to fight fight. They'd be fighting in

775
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the DMS on Grinder. Let's see, it's the one that

776
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has Doug Wilson on the cover here. It is right here.

777
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So I did a live stream right here answering your question,

778
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and what's the problem with Christian nationalism from a Protestants perspective?

779
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Doug Wilson. Here's a three hour live stream answering that Africa.

780
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There so debate everyone's a fat Christian nationalism and Doug

781
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Wilson Parker, what's up man, John? Do you have anything else?

782
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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that, going back to the

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normies with.

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Speaker 16: Politics, they they tend to stick to the If they

785
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do want to talk about politics, they tend to stick

786
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to the surface issues or regurgitating what they just heard.

787
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Speaker 6: On the news. Yes it's not.

788
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Speaker 2: And you know I myself and I know you as well.

789
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Speaker 16: You know, at one time you might be a young

790
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person who's like grown up watching CNN or you know

791
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whatever news station back in the eighties, and you don't

792
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really know anything, but there's still like a larger desire

793
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to kind of to get to the point where you

794
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can read a Brazinski or a Samuel P.

795
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Speaker 2: Huntington or something. But most people don't have that desire.

796
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Speaker 1: They don't.

797
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Speaker 2: They don't, they don't think as as far as that.

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Speaker 16: And then when like I remember the first time I

799
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ever heard of the Council on Foreign Relations, that intrigued me.

800
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But then I've seen for you know, twenty twenty five years,

801
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just like you guys that if you bring up the

802
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Council on Foreign Relations and then you start, even if

803
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somebody has never heard of it, and you start explaining what.

804
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Speaker 2: It is, glaze comes over their eyes as you're explaining this, Oh,

805
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this is what we're.

806
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Speaker 12: Doing in my class this this week Tuesday is where

807
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I'm going to talk a little bit about tragedy and

808
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hope by the way Ryan, Darren and I were just

809
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talking about this last night, like that exact.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, Yeah, but it would just be glaze.

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Speaker 8: You'll get five people out of like thirty that are

812
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like interested.

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Speaker 6: Protagonist. What's up? Or excuse me? Pro tag, PALPA team?

814
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What's up?

815
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Speaker 5: Baby?

816
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Speaker 2: Hey?

817
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Speaker 4: What's going on?

818
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:05,559
Speaker 17: Jay?

819
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Speaker 6: How are you good?

820
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Speaker 1: Good?

821
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Speaker 18: Hey man?

822
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Speaker 2: Sorry?

823
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Speaker 4: I joined a little bit of late.

824
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Speaker 19: So if you did say no TAG arguments, did you,

825
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I'm not.

826
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Speaker 6: Doing I'm not doing TAG today. I didn't say that,

827
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but it's actually the only thing I don't feel like

828
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talking about today. So because it just ends up being

829
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like thirty minutes of explaining philosophical topics and I'm just

830
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not in the movie for that. It's just gonna as

831
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soon as we started doing a thirty minute technical philosophical discussion,

832
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three hundred people leave the chat. So it just it's

833
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not the It needs to be separate for its own

834
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niche topic. Doctor. What's up?

835
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Speaker 2: Hey?

836
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Speaker 13: Hey?

837
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Speaker 20: Just had a question for you about John six and

838
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the you Christ. I asked my I'm an.

839
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Speaker 1: Inquire in Greek Orthodox Church.

840
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Speaker 20: I asked the deacon when we were meeting for breakfast

841
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about John six, about you know, the partaking in the

842
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Eucharist and that being a necessary precondition to salvation obviously

843
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outside of extraordinary means. And his response was, He's say,

844
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he's a little bit more liberal on that kind of thing.

845
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I was just wondering your take on the partaking in

846
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the Eucharist being a necessary precondition of salvation outside of

847
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you know, extra normative means.

848
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Speaker 6: Oh, well, yeah, I mean Jesus says you got to

849
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eat and feed on His flesh and blood. If you don't,

850
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you don't have eternal life. So yes, outside of the

851
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normal means. Yes, I mean, but there might be you know,

852
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extenuating circumstances where but that would be outside the normal means. Right,

853
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So a person who converts but isn't able to get

854
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to the Eucharist, or you know, you have a Saint

855
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Mary of Egypt situation, those are those are exceptions to

856
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the rule, right, But as Father Deacon often points out,

857
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you know, we don't make the exceptions the rule. And

858
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for what whatever reason, I'm not calling you a midwit,

859
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,000
but midwip people they always want to interject exceptions to

860
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sound smart, as if this is some sort of like

861
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:13,599
mind blowing thing, like who about this? Who would about that?

862
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:16,679
It's like, yeah, but your whatabouts and your exceptions could

863
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never be the rule. It would be insane to make

864
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the exceptions of the rule. I'm not talking about I'm

865
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not calling the deacon dumb. I don't know what he

866
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means by him a little more liberal.

867
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Speaker 1: I don't.

868
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 6: I don't even know what that means. But yeah, I

869
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just I think that, I mean, why would you not

870
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want I think that again, a lot of these questions

871
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are framed wrong. It's like, it's not a question of

872
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,800
you know, legalities, like we're Roman Catholics. It's like, but

873
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why would you not want to be feeding on? You

874
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,320
know what I mean? It's the questions frame wrong, you

875
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,119
know what I mean. It's like Tim Bardon asked me

876
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one day, He's like, is an immortal sin if you

877
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,760
miss the divine liturgy in your church? And I'm like,

878
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I don't think we think of it that way, because

879
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it's sort of like you should want to come, you

880
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:09,719
know what I mean? Anyway, Elijah, what's.

881
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Speaker 1: Bill?

882
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Speaker 6: Yep?

883
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Speaker 1: Hey sotill. I had a I had two things real quick.

884
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Speaker 21: The first thing was I was thinking on a drive

885
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back home from a from a job, like you know

886
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a few hours away from home.

887
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about.

888
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Speaker 21: Roman Catholic apologetics, and I had this argument.

889
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Speaker 1: I guess that I kind of wanted to run by

890
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you and see what you thought about.

891
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Speaker 21: So so I've noticed that the Roman Catholic apologists always

892
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do quote mining, taking random quotes from things about how

893
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they're like, you know, using flowery language against Rome. But

894
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they do not in any way, shape or form, apply

895
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the same standard to their own popes. In fact, they

896
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do the exact opposite, because if you see preskism, if

897
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you take pre schism quotes from popes and you and

898
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you throw them back at them that you know, seems

899
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to kind of go against the idea of paper and fallibility, they.

900
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Speaker 1: Will they will brush it off.

901
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Speaker 21: Or if you take post schism saying uh, sorry postchism

902
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pope quotes that go against Catholic theology and refute themselves,

903
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then they.

904
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Speaker 1: Just say, oh, it's oh, it's not ex Cathedral, so

905
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it doesn't count.

906
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Speaker 21: But for some weird reason, they put a lot of

907
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emphasis and a lot of weight on random Church father

908
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quotes from the first millennium, like as if it's from

909
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ex Cathedral, But they don't apply that to the popes

910
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of the second millennium.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, as we've said for a long time, and

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I appreciate your comment there. Yeah, the entire Roman Catholic

913
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apologetic is about, uh, moving the goalposts to fit the

914
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needs of the time. So if you got a problem quote,

915
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well it's conveniently not fallible, doesn't count. If you got

916
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,119
a strong papal quote, there you go it roll it

917
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out part of the quote mind list. So yeah, exactly

918
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:22,679
like it's just move the goalpost and use whatever fits

919
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,320
fits the occasion. And that's exactly what we've been But

920
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,320
that's actually I think when you get a little more

921
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,239
sophisticated in this stuff, because I one time fell for

922
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,440
those papal quote minds too, right back in two thousand

923
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,400
and three, four or five. I didn't know the context

924
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of a lot of these. I wasn't familiar with the

925
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nuances of the ecumenical councils, and so yeah, I I

926
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fell for quote minds without understanding context.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So, and that's that they're they're their whole apologetic. By

929
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the way, you'll notice, I mean all they do is

930
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,639
defend the papers, the religion is the papacy. How much

931
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:06,039
time do they spend debating Muslims about the deed of

932
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Christ like we do, I mean, not one tenth of

933
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what we do. And yet did you see the church

934
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fathers expending ninety five percent of their time defending Rome

935
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and the papacy.

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Speaker 8: And they don't even really talk about theology if you

937
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think about.

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Speaker 6: It, No, they don't. They don't spend it because the

939
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only theology that matters is the papacy. The whole religion

940
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is the papacy. And I know they think that, well,

941
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but we do have all these other doctrines. Look at

942
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the Catholic Catechism, it's a joint page book. I'm aware

943
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of that, all that. But all of your apologists, all

944
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they ever do is papal lawyering. They're just lawyers for

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the pope. That's it. Many of them, I think actually

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at this point, are just grifters. They're locked into it.

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They're making money. Why leave it? So, yeah, the religion

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is the papacy Pelagonian. Well, by the way, why would

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they debate Muslims when they spent the last several months

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arguing that they worshiped the same God as the Muslims,

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which is completely preposterous. If that's not the sign that

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that's a false religion than your indulusion. There's nothing that

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could be said. There's a more fundamental problem that language

954
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,320
and throwing more arguments at you is not going to

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solve what's up.

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Speaker 13: Pelagonian Aja, the Council of Stantinople eighteen seventy two, they

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condemned amphilitism.

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Speaker 4: It's correct.

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Speaker 13: Is that universally received by the whole church.

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Speaker 1: At the moment.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's probably still up for some debate. I

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think Moscow didn't necessarily receive it, but I think the

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principle there is true.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, Gez say that there's a bit of that going

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on at the moment, especially among the Greeks, who some

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of them would exult in ethnicity.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely. In fact, I have a Greek Orthodox archdiocese

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book that says not to convert people.

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Speaker 13: Not to confirt people.

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Speaker 23: Okay, you've heard similar things from certain Christs to say,

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for example, which is a different subject, but not to

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convert Coptics for.

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Speaker 2: Example, as they are somehow close to us.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's an ecumenist mindset, but they also have an

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ethnic worship mindset too, where they don't want people coming

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into their church and changing the demographics. So, but both

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things are present. And it can occur anywhere. But even

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if again, whether that is now binding on the entire church,

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Like the principle is obviously true, Like you can't put

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your ethnicity above the universal called the Gospel. It should

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be obvious.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I'm not sure if you agree or disagreement on

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Twitter's X especially you see a lot of orthodox like

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even going and turning racial, turning Orthodoxy in some kind

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of racial direction.

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Speaker 4: Do you see that as something that's quite right?

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Speaker 6: Again, it depends on the hierarchy of priorities. And this

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is really the point that even Father Turbo was making

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at the Ludwell conference. So you can care about your

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people group. It's maybe I might have accidentally hit the button. Okay,

991
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we're back. Yeah, I think I just when I was

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moving the mouse, I think I accidentally hit in the

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stream on obs, So I think that was my mistake anyway, Yeah,

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I mean, you can have a concern for your people

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group without submitting to putting your people group above the

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call of the Gospel. Right, So both things can be true.

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But what always happens, invariably is that when people lose

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sight of this hierarchy of priorities, then what happens is

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they immediately sort of default to the ethnic and political

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concerns as their number one. So, for example, the traditional Catholics,

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01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:34,000
the America first Flint Test crowd, what matters most of

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them politics, Politics is first and foremost, and papacy and

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all of its teachings that's just another kind of add

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on of quote Christianity, but it's always secondary. So even

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if it was true true Christianity, if papism was true Christianity,

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it's secondary to the political struggle. And what we say,

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which is the orthodox teaching, is that there's a hierarchy

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of importance and in terms of your own life, it's

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not your political nation state objectives that's first and foremost.

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So for a lot of people, especially in America, and

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01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:17,800
somebody talking about this on Twitter today, in America, politics

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is like an idol and a drug. So rather than

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religion being the opiate of the masses, it's actually political action,

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civic action that's the opiate of the masses. And I'm

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saying that as a person who, yeah, I was politically

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active and really interested in politics in my twenties and

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then I realized you don't really do anything in politics

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unless you're a billionaire. I mean, politics is a rich

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01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,880
man's game. And then so as you're going to get

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as you get older, you're going to realize, like I

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01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,320
would have been better off focusing my time and energy

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on building a family, building wealth and all that stuff,

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rather than trying to think, well, I'm twenty years old,

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I'm will fix the i will fix the world. Every

1025
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,639
twenty year old is an I just idealistic goober who

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thinks that he's going to fix a change the world.

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And it's just not reality. It's not realistic. You have

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to grow up, you have to learn and experience the world.

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How are you going to fix the world? Number one?

1030
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When you haven't fixed yourself? And number two, like you

1031
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,599
haven't experienced the world, you're not in a position to

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do anything. So yeah, I understand God is political, but

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politics is not God, and it's not number one most

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important in our lives. That is the difference between the

1035
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:33,359
Roman Catholic attitude towards these topics and what I talk about, Nick,

1036
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:33,880
what's up?

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Speaker 1: Okay, what's going on?

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01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 3: Man?

1039
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 4: I got a question for both you and okay father

1040
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:41,800
d kids as well, and.

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01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 18: I ask so kind of looking for some help with

1042
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,880
troubleshooting kind of like my study and where I'm running

1043
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,680
into I think snags and roadblocks. I mean, I basically

1044
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:52,880
don't even do I don't even.

1045
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 4: Have a TV. I don't watch Netflix or do any

1046
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:55,359
of that shit.

1047
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 6: I just listen to.

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 18: Your stuff, and you know, it's it's weird because I

1049
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,239
remember listening to where someone was saying, oh man, yeah,

1050
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:05,079
everyone's problem is they're just watching short form contents of

1051
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:07,880
their attention Spanish Friede right, and I laughed. I'm like,

1052
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,239
I'm listening to like three hour streams from Jay and

1053
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:11,560
chilling the entire time.

1054
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Speaker 4: I'm even like getting work done while I'm doing it.

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Speaker 18: And I noticed that whenever I'm listening to your stuff

1056
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,399
on History, like I've been listening through the entire Tragedy

1057
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:23,359
and Hope series.

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Speaker 4: And that was phenomenal, by the way, Like I'm really

1059
01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:25,680
enjoying that.

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Speaker 1: It's very easy for me to follow it.

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Speaker 18: Even the guy you recently had on, mister Grove, really

1062
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:34,720
enjoyed that.

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Speaker 1: All that stuff's.

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Speaker 18: Really easy for me to follow, and I thrive with that.

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And it's also really easy for me to understand it

1066
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,880
memorize it. You know, I'm not claiming like I can

1067
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,399
repeat everything, but a lot of the points stick and

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I'm able to get the.

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Speaker 5: Essence of it.

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Speaker 4: But then when I move over to some of the.

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Speaker 18: Stuff on philosophy, and specifically also whenever I'm catching you

1072
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,560
debating with the Catholics, like the one you did recently

1073
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,520
with that guy on the Big Podcast, I don't I

1074
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,920
don't remember his name. Yeah, it's like when you guys

1075
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,880
get into the metaphysics and the actual understanding I don't

1076
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,840
even know whether to label as theology or whatnot, but

1077
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,720
going into the differences between Catholicism versus Orthodoxy, Dude, it's

1078
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,399
almost like it's like you hit mute in my brain

1079
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,760
and I can't process it. And I don't know whether

1080
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,479
it's that I don't have the basics down and I

1081
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,800
don't understand it, or it's a matter of hey, dude,

1082
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,720
like I father Moses is my spiritual father, and he

1083
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,079
was telling me with philosophy, some people the light bulbs off,

1084
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:37,439
some people the light bulbs flickering, some people the light

1085
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,560
bulbs completely on. And I'm just I'm not sure if

1086
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,439
you've ever had to speak with someone about that, or

1087
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,319
if you've ever noticed that as a trend or pattern,

1088
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:48,159
and what your advice would be there to just kind

1089
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:51,520
of get a better firmer grip on that area of studying.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, philosophy is like any of the

1091
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,920
other arts. It's like playing guitar. I mean, you got

1092
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,119
to put time and effort into it. It's not a

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01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:03,159
thing that is just gonna magically be there. So you

1094
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:05,520
got to read, you got to research. But hey, the

1095
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,319
thing is, in the Orthodox world, you don't have to

1096
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:12,439
be into philosophy. There's nothing about Orthodoxy that necessitates that

1097
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,880
you've got to be into philosophy unless you want to,

1098
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,560
and you want to understand these things so real that's

1099
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,520
really up to you, and maybe you know, maybe you

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01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,960
have those proclivities if you do, I would say, in

1101
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:26,920
order to understand a lot of what I talked about,

1102
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:28,640
not everything, but a lot of what I talked about

1103
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,640
with Tim Gordon, I would say, read Christianity and Classical Culture,

1104
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,720
The Metamorphosis of Natural Theology and the Encounter with Hellenism

1105
01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:38,960
by Yaroslav Pelicon. Now, if you're new to philosophy, that

1106
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:42,000
might be a little bit challenging, but that will help

1107
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:45,960
you to understand what the theology of the Trinity and

1108
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,239
all this terminology is about. In terms of debating with Tim,

1109
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,359
I know that you know, early on we talked about

1110
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:55,319
the essenceyentergy distinction, So some of the books I recommend

1111
01:11:55,319 --> 01:11:57,079
at the beginning of the stream would be very relevant

1112
01:11:57,119 --> 01:11:59,560
for that. I would say though, that most guys that

1113
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,479
put some time in and and stick with it, they

1114
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,960
usually get the hang of philosophy. And my experience, and

1115
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,039
this is not all women, but a lot of women

1116
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:10,600
just are not made for philosophy, so they don't really

1117
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,119
care to put the time in, and they're not they're

1118
01:12:13,159 --> 01:12:17,880
just not interested in it. So but most dudes tend

1119
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,279
to get it and they like it if you put

1120
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:22,800
the time and effort in. So it's really just a

1121
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,079
question of you know, how far you want to go

1122
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:29,399
into philosophy and whether you think it's it's it's relevant

1123
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,399
for you. Fda is a philosophy professor, I'll let him

1124
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:31,840
speak to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, well, first of all, just reading.

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01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 8: Philosophy it's going to be really difficult. I was blessed

1127
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,560
because when I was introduced to philosophy, like seventeen eighteen,

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there were two kind of local groups and so.

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Speaker 1: They're both Christian.

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Speaker 8: One of them was Russ Manning's group to be able

1131
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,079
to just kind of talk these things out behind. I

1132
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:06,560
felt the same way. I was really really intimidated. I

1133
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,920
understand a lot of stuff, and I'd say that half

1134
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:15,960
of that was vocabulary. So what I didn't encourage you

1135
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:17,439
to do, I'm encouraging my students.

1136
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:18,119
Speaker 1: I have an.

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,319
Speaker 8: Online I put it on the course. It's an online

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,119
philosophy dictionary, And anytime you come.

1139
01:13:25,079 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 2: Across the word just why to make you know, uh,

1140
01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:32,079
like a glossary yourself right.

1141
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: Out, because that word will come And so a.

1142
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 8: Lot of this stuff's just kind of a niche technical

1143
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:43,159
language and charge that once you kind of start mastering that,

1144
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:44,640
it's like, oh yeah, I remember that word.

1145
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: I remember. Yeah, it gets a lot more approachable.

1146
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:52,079
Speaker 6: Sam, what's that? What's on your mind?

1147
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: Hey? Jay?

1148
01:13:57,119 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 15: The recent Sam Hide shows stuff is been great.

1149
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: So stoked to see that that is going really well.

1150
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:04,199
Thank you.

1151
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,399
Speaker 15: Yeah. I've just been listening to the past few streams

1152
01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:12,760
you've been putting out and just had some thoughts on

1153
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:18,239
like the younger generations coming into politics, and I pretty

1154
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:20,319
much agree with everything you've said, Like I've had to

1155
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:24,560
learn it myself, just kind of coming you know, out

1156
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,880
of college. You're kind of instinctually know that there was

1157
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:34,319
a lot of you know, bullshit being kind of pushed around,

1158
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,760
and so you're like kind of this midway twenty year

1159
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,880
old some you know, twenty something. You're like trying to

1160
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,840
find a simple answer. You know, you're trying to find

1161
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,159
an easy answer, and that's pretty much what most people

1162
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:51,239
are looking for. And so that's why it's it's tough.

1163
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:51,279
Speaker 1: Like.

1164
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,279
Speaker 15: Not a lot of people are ready or have the

1165
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:58,439
patience or the open heart to be corrected on a

1166
01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:59,279
lot of these things.

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Speaker 6: And well, what what do you suggest? What do you

1168
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,600
think will be a better approach to get through to

1169
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,640
people and to reach more people? What's your suggestion?

1170
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 5: Well, I I think to reach more people, right, like, you've.

1171
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 1: Got to have that midway person or that like kind.

1172
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,359
Speaker 15: Of middle of the road like the middle of the

1173
01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:26,760
horseshoe theory of intelligence, that kind of big market in mind.

1174
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 6: And so so have what shorter videos that don't use

1175
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,439
a lot of big words. I'm serious in serious.

1176
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,239
Speaker 15: Yeah, well you're you're a comedian, and that's why it's

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like kind of crazy that, you know, I had to

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find someone like you to kind of you know, open

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,920
my perspective to things like orthodoxy and and geopolitics that's

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,960
really not as simple as what people want to believe.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a good thing.

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01:15:53,039 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 15: Like I think you're building like a solid core audience,

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01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,640
Like you've done all the hard work of just having

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01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,800
a fan that like really vibes with your stuff, and

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01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,600
even though it's it grows slower, it's a much more

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01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:07,840
like it's a less fickle.

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Speaker 6: No, we absolutely get a solid bro core. We got

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the bro Core and the reason we got the solid

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bro Corps. Thank you for that call. But I'm trying

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01:16:19,039 --> 01:16:20,640
to get through as many as you can before we

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01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:25,560
actually have a writing group tonight for the Sam Hid Show,

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01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:26,960
So I got to go talk to Ryan here in

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01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:32,319
a little bit. But yeah, I think the quality of

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01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:36,520
the people that we get, because there is a learning curve,

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01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,760
it tends to be higher quality. So we get the

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01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,520
smarter crowd. We get the guys that don't mind, you know,

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01:16:44,119 --> 01:16:48,000
solving some puzzles to make sense of things because you know,

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I'm so yeah, the bro cor Yeah, instead of Ortho Bros,

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it's bro Core. Instead of ro Corps, it's brokere.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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01:16:55,359 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 6: That's funny. I didn't even think about that when I

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01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:04,159
said it. But yeah, we get it. We get a

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01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:07,760
better quality. You know, it's not a bunch of weird

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,279
in cells, you know, losing their mind and hating on

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01:17:11,359 --> 01:17:14,479
women all day. Like to me, that just seems like

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01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,920
just loser shit, dude. Like if you if you never

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01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,520
talk to women, you can't get a date. You gotta

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01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,960
think about changing yourself, dog, Like that's more important than

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01:17:26,119 --> 01:17:29,520
whatever you think is going on out there. Okay, And

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that's a big point. You know that Father Turbo is

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01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:37,199
always making like you think, oh, I've I'm gonna fix

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01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:40,359
the world and I'm gonna use orthodoxy to fix the world,

1213
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:44,439
and you realize, actually, I'm still working on changing myself. Now,

1214
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,359
that's not to say you can't be involved in these things.

1215
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It's just gonna reorient your priorities. And everybody thinks in

1216
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:53,960
either oars, everybody thinks it's all it's either this or that. Well,

1217
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,640
either you're into politics or you are a pietist. Really no, no,

1218
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,920
it's hierarchy is a priority. It can be a bout

1219
01:18:00,079 --> 01:18:02,520
with so don't get caught up. And it's really load

1220
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:07,000
tier kind of either worse of Tech Technician TV what's

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01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:07,359
up man?

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01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:13,199
Speaker 5: Hey Jay?

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01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 3: Yes, hey man, are you taking like the I think.

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 17: It was yesterday the day before you were taking like

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01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:21,600
some suggestions?

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01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,359
Speaker 1: Sure that still something?

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01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 3: Okay?

1228
01:18:26,119 --> 01:18:26,359
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1229
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: I think when you do your streams, is.

1230
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 17: It kind of more off the cuff or do you

1231
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,920
have like I guess, like bullet points that you follow.

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01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 3: Uh?

1233
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,359
Speaker 6: Sometimes I have it some tabs that I saw see

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01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:41,479
that are interesting throughout the day, and then sometimes it's

1235
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,600
just completely off the cuff.

1236
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: Sure, okay?

1237
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,399
Speaker 17: And yeah, So I mean I watched Nick Pointest too,

1238
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,359
and I do think that overall you have a much

1239
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,439
like wiser message ship has to write way to phrase it.

1240
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:59,800
I think. I think the reason that his clips do

1241
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:03,199
pretty well is if you'll notice he kind of shifts

1242
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:06,439
into a gear sometimes where he's obviously trying.

1243
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: To be clipped.

1244
01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 17: And I think if I think if you maybe if

1245
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,239
you went through not your script, but like if you

1246
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:15,039
had your bullet points and then you saw, hey, you

1247
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:18,359
know this one might make a good clip. Uh, then

1248
01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:20,000
you kind of you you kind of turn on the

1249
01:19:20,079 --> 01:19:22,359
charisma like into overdrive during that moment.

1250
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:23,159
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

1251
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1252
01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 17: So I noticed I notice if you watch him, he

1253
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,600
does that a little bit like he'll kind of switch

1254
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,600
into this gear where he'll like, he'll ramp up his

1255
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,199
rhetoric and kind of he'll just he'll go into overdrive

1256
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:35,560
and then those are the ones you see, Okay, but

1257
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:36,720
his whole show's not like.

1258
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,359
Speaker 6: That, right right, Well, I think, uh, I think the

1259
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,800
thing is and you're right about that. What what I

1260
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,319
do on my channel usually I and I didn't plan

1261
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:46,960
that or it wasn't even aware of that because I

1262
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,279
don't I don't have time to watch other other creators

1263
01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:55,800
really uh, and people are saying, yeah, Nick does that, well, Uh,

1264
01:19:55,439 --> 01:20:00,000
I mean, I'm I'm open to having anybody offer credit

1265
01:20:00,399 --> 01:20:03,600
feedback that they think would make better because you guys

1266
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:07,600
are the ones watching and listening. So it's not about criticize.

1267
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,880
We're not about criticizing today. It's about what what do

1268
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,640
you guys want to see? What would make it better?

1269
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,239
And that's absolutely always on topic, So appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: We'll go to.

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Speaker 6: Father Siscos in just one second, but I did want

1272
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to read a couple super chats. Appreciate that, guys, I

1273
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,520
actually think we kind of do that. The only thing is,

1274
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,720
like I've only in the last couple of weeks really

1275
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:38,119
told people to start clipping, and so the clips channels

1276
01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:43,680
are fairly new, but the clippers are all finding really

1277
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,119
good stuff. And I noticed, for example, some of the

1278
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:50,439
clips on TikTok are getting sixty eighty hundred thousand views.

1279
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,760
So that's perfect, that's what we want to see. We

1280
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,560
haven't really popped off on Instagram, even though dire clips

1281
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,600
on Instagram or dire Verse on Instagram is getting some

1282
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,800
good views. Some of them are getting twenty thirty thousand views,

1283
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,359
which is great. So yeah, I just keep it up.

1284
01:21:06,359 --> 01:21:10,000
You guys are doing really great and they're finding the good,

1285
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:15,399
the good nuggets within. You know, the couple hours, father Ciscos,

1286
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:25,800
did you want to say something? Are you there?

1287
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Speaker 3: Me?

1288
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:33,399
Speaker 6: No? Oh, Father Christians he left, so we had.

1289
01:21:33,239 --> 01:21:37,520
Speaker 8: A we had he's there, but he's listener.

1290
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Speaker 6: Well he's it says he's an Orthodox priest. Do you

1291
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:50,880
want to talk or yeah, I'll go ahead. What's up?

1292
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:54,880
I'm mute?

1293
01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:58,079
Speaker 24: Hey, sorry For some reason, as soon as I started talking,

1294
01:21:58,159 --> 01:21:58,479
I can't.

1295
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,279
Speaker 1: I can't. Oh, there we go. I can hear you now, Hey, Jay.

1296
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 24: I've been listening to your stuff for like the past

1297
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,199
two weeks. I haven't heard of you till I want

1298
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:11,279
to say, maybe six months ago, maybe a little bit more,

1299
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but I've.

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Speaker 2: Appreciated your work.

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Speaker 24: I just want to say thank you God, bless you good,

1302
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,159
make God give you strength and continue to enlighten your ministry,

1303
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:21,680
especially to the young men here.

1304
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,039
Speaker 6: Well, thank you. I appreciate that I don't call myself

1305
01:22:26,279 --> 01:22:28,840
a minister or a ministry, but I appreciate that. I

1306
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:32,760
consider myself a goofy internet man, but I think in

1307
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:38,279
this age, ironically that's what people listen to. So but

1308
01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:40,920
thank you for that. Appreciate it very much. Let's see

1309
01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:43,920
brand wall of twenty dollars. This is a great stream,

1310
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,600
looks extra clean. Eddie lifts two dollars. Can you give

1311
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,520
us a tier list of easy to hard books I listed.

1312
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,560
I think in that list ones that were intro with

1313
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,119
ones that were advanced. Rainish Nadan. Thank you for the

1314
01:22:57,159 --> 01:23:01,840
books and recommendations, Grizzly Frank. What about The Orthodox Faith

1315
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,199
by Father Thomas Hopco. Every time I talk about this,

1316
01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:07,319
people always want to say, what about this series? What

1317
01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:09,720
about the look? If that works for you, guys, that's great.

1318
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,319
I'm just telling you the books that I think that

1319
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:14,840
I'm familiar with. I'm not familiar with I think I

1320
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:19,319
have that father Hopco for four volume introduction. It's just

1321
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,560
I never read it and I never came in through

1322
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,640
that route. So you know, if it's good, if it

1323
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,640
works for you, that's great brand. Wolf ten dollars. People

1324
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,079
who call in are having Paul Washer levels of emotions.

1325
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:34,279
He's talking about that evangelical guy, Glitter Rhythm ten dollars.

1326
01:23:34,319 --> 01:23:36,640
What a goofy guy. He finished with calling you a

1327
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,720
dumb bastard, and he debunked his whole point about not

1328
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:47,920
saying mongoloid speech. Yeah, exactly, Shepherd, five dollars. I'm transforming

1329
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,079
into a mongoloid at this point. Every stream that Jay hosts,

1330
01:23:51,119 --> 01:23:53,640
my arms grow longer and my skull is thicker. I'm

1331
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,920
right now developing a hunchback. There we go. Got a

1332
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,399
shout out to the mongoloids in the audience. And by

1333
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:01,279
the way, if you want to increase your mongoloid powers,

1334
01:24:01,319 --> 01:24:04,039
heading over to chalk dot com the best in mongoloid

1335
01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:08,399
supplementation for all my Mango bros on the Internet. We're

1336
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:13,880
full bro core, Mango core. All my Mango Bromngo bros.

1337
01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:16,119
Heading over to chalk dot com use the promo co

1338
01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:18,600
jy for is here to get forty percent off, become

1339
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:23,439
toxically masculine and fully mongoloid. Core Bulpez. You said another

1340
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:27,880
scream that the Crucifixion death is an offering to the triad.

1341
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:33,079
Can you talk about this satisfaction element. Well, it's not

1342
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:36,439
really satisfaction. That's more of a Roman Catholic idea of

1343
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,399
what's happening in the Crucifixion. But I did an entire

1344
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:44,600
video on the clips channel Volpace addressing this specific topic,

1345
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:51,640
and it's about the Byzantine theology that refutes PSA. That

1346
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,680
whole fifteen minute video is answering that question. Ignastios Lario's

1347
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,840
two dollars. I got a spare chromosome. Now, thank you, Jay.

1348
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,159
He's a mongoloid, disgusting mongoloid. Two dollars. I'm reporting in

1349
01:25:02,199 --> 01:25:04,880
for duty. See all my Mango bros Are in the chat.

1350
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,319
What's up. Nobody's going to even use the term ortho

1351
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:12,600
bro anymore. It's going to be all Mongo Bros, the brongoloids,

1352
01:25:14,319 --> 01:25:22,159
the bro core Mango Bros or whatever contemporary compendium shout

1353
01:25:22,199 --> 01:25:24,199
out to him. Five dollars a great clips channel, one

1354
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:26,680
of the many dire clips channels. Thank you guys for

1355
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:31,520
doing all the clips. I noticed clips really seemed to

1356
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:36,840
struggle on X and we're just now beginning to pop

1357
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,680
off on TikTok and Instagram. But guys, keep it up.

1358
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,520
It takes a while. There's no I don't know how

1359
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,680
it works, but the TikTok and Instagram ones are beginning

1360
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,680
to pop off. And that's great because that's actually what

1361
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,880
so I wasn't from Flint do us. Actually where I

1362
01:25:54,119 --> 01:25:56,880
noticed this was this is what Tate did in twenty twenty.

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01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:04,439
He got all his Tater taught people to go wild clipping,

1364
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,800
and that made Tait's audience go from I remember I

1365
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,920
was on somebody's podcast and I had a bigger YouTube

1366
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,079
channel than Andrew Tait had at the time. This is

1367
01:26:16,119 --> 01:26:18,399
before he was kicked off of YouTube. This is like

1368
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twenty nineteen, and I was on some libertarian Dudes podcast

1369
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and then right after me, he had Andrew Tait on.

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I'd never heard of Andrew Tat, so I was like

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01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:29,840
looking at his channel and it was like he had

1372
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,000
like eighty or ninety thousand or something. This is a

1373
01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:35,760
long time ago. And then I noticed by twenty twenty

1374
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:41,079
he was just getting people to clip like crazy and

1375
01:26:41,119 --> 01:26:43,760
then that boom it, you know, that all blew up.

1376
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So that's kind of what prompted me to think about that.

1377
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I wasn't even noticing that Nick was having people clip everywhere.

1378
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:56,880
But obviously the Nick clips are popping off on Twitter,

1379
01:26:57,279 --> 01:26:59,600
because if you play a Twitter video and you scroll down,

1380
01:27:00,079 --> 01:27:02,960
suddenly you see Nick quent this. I don't know the

1381
01:27:03,039 --> 01:27:10,279
secret to cracking the Twitter algorithm because every time I

1382
01:27:10,359 --> 01:27:13,119
post clips on Twitter, like, I never get more than

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01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:18,520
like ten thousand. Sometimes I can get twenty fifty. Every

1384
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,359
now and then I have a Twitter thing go to,

1385
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,479
like I think I've had a few, got one hundred,

1386
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,720
two hundred thousand, but it's it's very difficult to crack

1387
01:27:28,119 --> 01:27:30,239
the Twitter clips for some reason. I don't know what

1388
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:34,000
the secret is there, but maybe it's gotta be edgi er.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Counterdogs five dollars. Your name is fae Fire. Also, can

1391
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,159
you please do a Bryson Great?

1392
01:27:40,279 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: What that is?

1393
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 6: Daniel mays ten dollars. Clarify what you mean saying Protestantism

1394
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:52,720
is wrong? I mean, well, that's a difficult question. I

1395
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,199
have many many live streams critiquing Protestantism. In fact, I

1396
01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:59,399
think if you just type in Jaydre protestantsm you'll get

1397
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,199
your film. So I don't really have the time right

1398
01:28:03,239 --> 01:28:07,520
now before writers meeting before to go through all of

1399
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why Protestanism is wrong, but I do remember, for example,

1400
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there's a very a popular stream I think that it

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01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:18,520
now has one hundred thousand views critiquing James White and Protestanism,

1402
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,079
so that would be a good place to start. Is

1403
01:28:21,359 --> 01:28:24,199
a video I made maybe five years ago and it

1404
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:27,760
still gets consistent views, so check that out. Is it

1405
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:34,359
the wrong deity or actually following God? But you're condemning yourself. Well,

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I think that the difference is that the confessional Protestant

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beliefs are heterodox, so for us, they don't get you

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01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,479
to that deity. I'm not saying that every individual Protestant

1409
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is automatically danned, because we don't know anybody's salve efic destiny,

1410
01:28:52,279 --> 01:28:57,439
we don't know their final state, but that the religions

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01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:02,119
in their professions are not off Christianity. So you might

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01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:04,880
have many sincere Protestants, and I think God's grace can

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01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,800
reach and meet people where they're at, But the religions

1414
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,800
in general the public Protestant and Evangelical confessions we do

1415
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:17,000
not believe are authentic Orthodox churches. Jordaine fifty dollars. I

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01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:21,960
am in the quay. Could you rise me? What's up? Jordain?

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01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,199
Thank you for that? Bat super jeb by.

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01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 1: The way he can you hear me?

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01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 3: Huh?

1420
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:31,079
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1421
01:29:31,159 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 1: So my thing is.

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01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:36,279
Speaker 4: You said, like debates are alone are kind of like

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in a.

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01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:37,079
Speaker 1: Lull right now.

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01:29:37,119 --> 01:29:40,199
Speaker 9: No one wants to really debate any years specifically or

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01:29:40,199 --> 01:29:41,760
really anyone Orthodoxy he's educated.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, right, there's.

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01:29:45,279 --> 01:29:49,600
Speaker 9: Kind of like a more personal apological lands that's kind

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01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,840
of missing from Orthodoxy that a lot of people take

1430
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,760
it and it's.

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01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:55,560
Speaker 2: Travel like.

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01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:01,239
Speaker 4: Lo what there like people don't traveling and showing like

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the local.

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Speaker 9: Orthodox community, Like Orthodoxy isn't this thing that's foreign to America.

1435
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That there is Orthodoxy in America and they are American

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to Orthodox.

1437
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 2: Right, So would you ever be willing to do like traveling.

1438
01:30:12,319 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 9: Lectures or traveling things with like a videographer to show like, well,

1439
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,479
there's communities here, there's there's there's people here.

1440
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 4: And I think that is like very I.

1441
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:27,199
Speaker 6: Think you're cutting out and no, we can't hear I

1442
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:31,239
appreciate that. I mean, that's the purpose of the conferences

1443
01:30:31,399 --> 01:30:35,319
is you know, people traveling, and most Orthodox churches I

1444
01:30:35,359 --> 01:30:38,359
know are doubling and tripling. Our church just tripled in size,

1445
01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:42,720
literally both the walls and the church. So, uh, if

1446
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:48,600
you are interested, you can go over to UH here

1447
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:53,680
and get tickets to our conference. This is the Athens

1448
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:57,760
Jerusalem Conference here, and I'll put the tickets in the

1449
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,520
show description right there in the chat. I forgot to

1450
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,920
put this in the description, but it's in the chat there.

1451
01:31:05,319 --> 01:31:09,359
I mean, when we travel, I usually focus on our

1452
01:31:09,399 --> 01:31:13,159
events and our books. I don't get invited to many

1453
01:31:13,279 --> 01:31:15,199
Orthodox churches to speak.

1454
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 2: So.

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01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 6: I don't know how feasible it would be to try

1456
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,319
to get a videographer or something like that. I think

1457
01:31:22,399 --> 01:31:24,560
that the way we're doing it now is probably the

1458
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:29,439
best way to do it. With we do our events,

1459
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,359
the focuses on our material. That kind of becomes an

1460
01:31:32,359 --> 01:31:37,560
indirect way that people get interested in or hear about Orthodoxy.

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01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,840
But I mean, I'll think about it. We'll see. I

1462
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,880
mean you have to understand too, like the world of

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01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,880
Orthodoxy is not perfect. There's a lot of liberals, there's

1464
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,880
a lot of crazy people in it. There's a lot

1465
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,960
of people that don't like me. They don't like anybody

1466
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:56,520
associate with me, So you're not necessarily going to find

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01:31:57,079 --> 01:31:58,520
you know, if you're new to this and you go

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01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,319
to some random church, they might tell you that we

1469
01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:03,319
don't like that guy. Most of the time, they don't

1470
01:32:03,319 --> 01:32:06,680
know anything about me. They just heard some bad thing

1471
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,560
and they have no idea what I actually talk about.

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01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:14,960
So that's why I would be very hesitant to sort

1473
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,079
of sort of attach myself to some sort of like

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01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:22,960
Orthodox church tour. I don't know, h risey ten dollars.

1475
01:32:23,039 --> 01:32:25,880
Keep doing what you've been doing. I'm tired of soy

1476
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,840
men calling in with weak ass suggestions that appeal to

1477
01:32:30,039 --> 01:32:37,359
people that can't grasp what you discuss. Appreciate that great

1478
01:32:37,399 --> 01:32:40,119
Scott five dollars. Here's some bro Cord dollars. Great Scott

1479
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:42,800
five dollars. Tsunami was a funny clip too, saw me

1480
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:46,520
exactly Thora's dad. It's crined as is. Have you considered

1481
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,560
doing TikTok debates again? No, I don't think I will.

1482
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,840
It's just too I mean, the last time I did,

1483
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,159
all the Oriental's just reported the stream and had it

1484
01:32:54,199 --> 01:32:58,800
pulled down. So like, what's the point, technician ten dollars,

1485
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,399
Great job, Jay, appreciate your con John Papa Giannis weeks

1486
01:33:02,399 --> 01:33:05,279
five dollars. Christ assume of falling human nature. No, Christ

1487
01:33:05,319 --> 01:33:10,399
assumed the pre fallen nature like Adam had. And if

1488
01:33:10,399 --> 01:33:12,800
you read John of Damascus on the Orthodox Faith, he

1489
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,600
has an entire section where he talks about Christ assuming

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01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:21,039
pre fall, hence why he doesn't have the effects of

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01:33:21,039 --> 01:33:24,600
original sin, but he willingly chose to take on what's

1492
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,920
called the blameless passions. There's a whole chapter in the

1493
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,800
Blue Saint Vladimir's book by Saint Maximus the Confessor on

1494
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,239
this question. So Christ does not have the blameful passions

1495
01:33:36,279 --> 01:33:39,159
like we do, but he willingly took on the blameless

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01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:44,039
passions like hunger and thirst, and thus willingly died. Anthony

1497
01:33:44,399 --> 01:33:47,399
seventeen five dollars. Thank you for everything you do. I

1498
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,479
have you on listening to you all day at work.

1499
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,640
I'm curious if you're sensitive to the light. It seems

1500
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,840
like it bothers your eyes. This light here is particularly bright,

1501
01:33:56,159 --> 01:34:01,199
so it does annoy me. And I have really bad allergies,

1502
01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:03,520
so I'm always like wiping my eyes and this, and

1503
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:13,359
so it's a combination of things, Andrews saying, did you

1504
01:34:13,399 --> 01:34:17,359
watch Redeem Zoomer's video against papism? No, I'm not. I don't,

1505
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,119
like I said, I don't really. I mean, unless you

1506
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:22,720
guys tell me. I'm I'm never gonna see like Redeem

1507
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,640
Zoomer does a video, I'm probably not going to see

1508
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,920
it unless you guys tell me. Sha la la la

1509
01:34:28,039 --> 01:34:33,119
la haushka the osious. How do you deal with people

1510
01:34:33,119 --> 01:34:35,239
who think that every time you bring up contentious issues

1511
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,239
they feel the need to piety signal. I'm at the

1512
01:34:38,279 --> 01:34:40,359
point where I just kind of don't have any patience

1513
01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:42,319
for it, so I just move on. Thank you. Theos's

1514
01:34:42,359 --> 01:34:43,960
ten dollars. What's up?

1515
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:44,159
Speaker 16: Man?

1516
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 6: All right? Looks like he can't connect Parker. Guys, let's

1517
01:34:59,039 --> 01:35:02,520
keep the questions tie and quick. I gotta go pretty soon.

1518
01:35:03,399 --> 01:35:05,119
I want to get through everything as quick as we can. There,

1519
01:35:05,119 --> 01:35:11,840
what's up man, Parker? Mute Parker mute?

1520
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Yo Yo? What up?

1521
01:35:14,039 --> 01:35:14,119
Speaker 2: Ja?

1522
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1523
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 6: What's up?

1524
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:16,079
Speaker 2: Hey?

1525
01:35:16,359 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: I was calling in to see if you've.

1526
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,600
Speaker 20: Heard about the Little season eschatology.

1527
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 1: It's like paradurism.

1528
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,239
Speaker 6: I mean, I know I've heard people talking about this,

1529
01:35:27,399 --> 01:35:29,680
but I don't really pay attention to stuff that's not

1530
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,159
within the world of Orthodoxy when it comes to that stuff.

1531
01:35:32,199 --> 01:35:34,159
So I don't know what.

1532
01:35:34,079 --> 01:35:35,199
Speaker 1: That was actually my question.

1533
01:35:35,279 --> 01:35:38,239
Speaker 25: I was just a lot of people in that community

1534
01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:41,159
claim that they're the only people teaching.

1535
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:45,199
Speaker 6: Like, well, there you go, so I would avoid it.

1536
01:35:45,279 --> 01:35:51,119
If if so, my my intuition was right to avoid it. Jonathan,

1537
01:35:51,159 --> 01:35:53,399
what's up, man? But good? I appreciate your question. I'm

1538
01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:55,000
just trying to go quick to get through all this stuff.

1539
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:56,479
What's up man?

1540
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 14: Hey, I was just calling a comment on the gentleman

1541
01:36:02,079 --> 01:36:06,199
earlier who was you know, went from pretty cool to

1542
01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:10,239
then you know, dumbastard stuff. It's like me and my

1543
01:36:10,279 --> 01:36:13,119
wife were just Chris made it this summer and we've

1544
01:36:13,159 --> 01:36:16,960
experienced that a lot with friends that we left behind

1545
01:36:17,319 --> 01:36:21,239
in you know, past church lives and things where it's

1546
01:36:21,279 --> 01:36:25,680
like my wife will share like the most modest little

1547
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:28,920
like hey, you should check out Orthodoxy. It's a beautiful thing,

1548
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,199
and then people will just be all over her, and then.

1549
01:36:33,079 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: They'll talk to they'll talk about her.

1550
01:36:35,119 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 19: They'll say like hey, like, oh, you're in like a

1551
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,560
cage stage season of faith, and it's like, dude, you

1552
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,880
have done nothing but post against Orthodoxy since we left

1553
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:48,479
your church, Like you know.

1554
01:36:47,399 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think with a lot of these evangelicals and

1555
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:55,319
goofballs that they're just no self awareness. No, it's not

1556
01:36:55,359 --> 01:37:00,439
even a hint of realizing the hypocrisy. So you know,

1557
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,199
you gotta just kind of sometimes you got to move

1558
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:08,199
on too, like you can just you know, move move

1559
01:37:08,279 --> 01:37:12,479
on from people too, if they're they're excessively annoying. Noom,

1560
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:22,600
what's up? Noom? I'm hey, what's up, Jay? What's on

1561
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:22,920
your mind?

1562
01:37:23,399 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 2: Uh?

1563
01:37:24,199 --> 01:37:29,159
Speaker 26: Wondering as an Orthodox inquirer, Uh, if you would recommend

1564
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:35,279
me going to a liturgy first and experiencing that before

1565
01:37:35,319 --> 01:37:37,920
I get the Orthodox Study Bible and then you know,

1566
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:38,760
getting into.

1567
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 1: That or should I?

1568
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 6: It won't matter just to both, I mean whether you

1569
01:37:43,039 --> 01:37:45,680
get the Study Bible first and read or I mean

1570
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,319
I would say go to the liturgy first, but like,

1571
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,479
don't base it on I'm gonna read the Orthodox Study

1572
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:53,560
Bible first. Like that's massive, a lot of reading, so

1573
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:56,520
like you might not ever finish it. So now go

1574
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,359
to the Ligy first and also read David It's up

1575
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:03,000
Death culture ten dollars. A lot of sp guys from

1576
01:38:03,079 --> 01:38:05,760
Adam Green's crowd think that the religion the Old Testament

1577
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,479
is Rabbinic Judaism, the Continuity test religion. Orthodox Church refutes

1578
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:14,880
their whole siop theory as Old Testament religion predates Rabbinical theology. Yes,

1579
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:17,199
we've been making videos on that form many years. Good point.

1580
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:18,039
What's that man?

1581
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:21,199
Speaker 2: Hey, jay, I just wanted to ask.

1582
01:38:21,279 --> 01:38:24,319
Speaker 25: In your debate with redeem Zoomer, you said the Calvinist

1583
01:38:24,359 --> 01:38:27,920
anthropology would lead to Christ being a sinner because he

1584
01:38:28,039 --> 01:38:31,319
had our exact nature, but earlier in the stream us

1585
01:38:31,359 --> 01:38:34,920
that he actually took on Adam's nature, not fallen nature.

1586
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:36,119
Speaker 1: That kind of.

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01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,520
Speaker 6: No, that's the Orthodox view, not the Calvinist view.

1588
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,399
Speaker 25: But if he doesn't have our nature, wouldn't that mean

1589
01:38:46,319 --> 01:38:47,600
that rebuttal wouldn't work?

1590
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:48,239
Speaker 1: Per Se?

1591
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 6: He does have our nature, He has our nature prior

1592
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:55,079
to the fall. We have the same nature as Adam.

1593
01:38:56,079 --> 01:38:59,239
The nature didn't change to be some other nature after

1594
01:38:59,279 --> 01:39:01,920
the fall. It just lost the grace that it had

1595
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,800
prior to the fall. The nature is still the same nature.

1596
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:09,159
Speaker 25: And then a final mini question, are blameful passions when

1597
01:39:09,159 --> 01:39:11,800
it says to like he avoided corruption through being born

1598
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,840
of a virgin? Are blameful passions? Things we inherit at

1599
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,079
birth or that develop.

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01:39:17,039 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 6: It's a propensity that we inherit where the passions are

1601
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:22,239
out of whack, such that we have an internal movement

1602
01:39:22,279 --> 01:39:26,199
towards temptations. So for example, you know we have dirty thoughts,

1603
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,119
we can sent to dirty thoughts. We desire excess food,

1604
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:33,399
we can sent to that desire. Those are internal movements

1605
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:35,880
that tempt us. But for the temptations that came to Christ,

1606
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,560
those are external temptations to him because he didn't have

1607
01:39:39,039 --> 01:39:45,800
blameful passions, he didn't have a fallen human nature. Yeah,

1608
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:48,680
just read the section in John Damascus where he talks

1609
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:55,479
about this. There's an entire section on it. Coolberg, who

1610
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,479
to ten five dollars? Do you have any thoughts on

1611
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:59,600
Jimmy Dore. I mean I met him and hung out

1612
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,880
with him, and seems like a cool guy. I've tried

1613
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,359
to ask him if you have me on but I

1614
01:40:04,359 --> 01:40:08,079
don't know. I was a libtard, gatheist, but he pointed

1615
01:40:08,119 --> 01:40:11,479
all the stuff that you talk about, false flags, et cetera. Yeah,

1616
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:13,840
I think he's come a long way. Maybe he's just

1617
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:18,680
not as far where we are, but I mean, all

1618
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,159
the clips I hear from him, I agree with glitch

1619
01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:40,399
you rhythm, No, we did that. How do five dollars?

1620
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:42,520
I'm sorry if I'm too mid with I can't find it.

1621
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:45,880
You're gonna have to uplate update your book written. It's

1622
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:50,600
it's a video, dude, it's not. It's a video that

1623
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:56,640
says top ten books Anthony's seventeen five dollars. Thank you

1624
01:40:56,680 --> 01:41:04,319
for everything you do. Great Scott, I truly never know

1625
01:41:04,359 --> 01:41:07,239
of orthodoxy until your debates. Here you go, well, thank you,

1626
01:41:07,279 --> 01:41:18,399
appreciate that. I appreciate you, guys. I think I'm gonna

1627
01:41:18,399 --> 01:41:21,560
have to go. We got a big meeting for the

1628
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,359
next Sam Hid show tonight, so everybody have a great night,

1629
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1635
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around twenty ninth to me, and then I will mail

1636
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:48,720
it out begin mailing it out to you guys. We

1637
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:53,119
have about two to three hundred orders, so we're gonna

1638
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:56,479
have to start from the earliest orders. Working our way up.

1639
01:41:57,239 --> 01:41:59,439
It shouldn't take too long. We can actually turn out

1640
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:04,680
quite a few orders, Shamie and I. So no, there

1641
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is not a full recommended reading list because the site

1642
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:12,960
had to be updated and that page was all janky

1643
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and messed up anyway, so I just took the page down.

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So here's your ten introductory books tonight. Thank you guys

1645
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:25,000
so much, and everybody have a great night. Wait, we

1646
01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:31,479
got one last super jet. Try Quercitan. I'm well aware

1647
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:33,640
of it. Appreciate that I've been taking all of the

1648
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I've tried every homeopathic