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Speaker 6: All right, what's up. Welcome. I hope you're all having
a great day. What's up? Welcome? Hopefully you saw the
bomb ass hour we did getting deep into the history
of Western civilization, Islam, Judaism, Zionism, rabbinic errors, et cetera,
that I did today in the fourth hour with Harrison.
Of course, it's never enough. If you don't talk about
Zionism every single day, it's because you're a Zionist. But
I think you'll find my fourth hour was quite informative
and charitably nuanced. Today is a special day because I'm
going to be taking any calls. That means, if you're
a Categhuman, and you have your basic catechumen inquiry questions
you can call in today. I will be answering those
questions as well as anybody who does want to debate.
You can still call in debated you'd like to, but
I noticed that the trend seems to be nobody really
wants to debate anymore. That means we've beaten all the
final bosses and now we can stand atop we we
we are. We are van dam at the end of
the kumaiteekuma Te, so now we can help train all
of you. Kumaite entrance, Welcome to the Kumaite. I am
your host, Frank Dukes, Cia Assassin, Masade Assassin and notorious
martial arts fraud and con man. I'm just kidding. I'm
not though, because but that's Frank Duke's claims, but that's
who Blood Sports based on. So basically, I'm like, I
punched what's his name in the nuts, that Asian dude
that's always the bad guy in the VANDAM movies. I
punched him in the nuts, and I'm like, oh, and
here we are no more opponents. I guess Tim Gordon
was the big Asian buff dude, what's that guy's name?
I always forget his name. He's got a weird name too,
So debates are done, dude, debates are cook man. I'm
just kidding. They're not. But you know what I mean,
I don't think anybody else is going to call him
to debate, so I don't even know. I've got somebody said,
make the the thing small and then you show your face,
and I don't blame you wanting to see my face,
I mean unless it's the end of the kumte. I mean,
I'm probably the hottest, probably the hottest male streamer on
the Internet at this time. Chung Lee, Yeah, exactly. I
think his name is like Tongue Po, or is tong
Po his name? I get his real name mixed up
with his blood sports name. Anyway, it doesn't matter. You
like to face bigger with the little little screen, or
you want me to humble myself and get smaller so
that the screen can increase chungus Lee anyway. So to
kick it off, first thing we're gonna do before we
open it up is I'm gonna front run all of
your FAQ questions, even though I've already made videos on
what are the best introductory books to Orthodoxy. I'm gonna
front run you. I'm gonna list him again as I
think of them, because there's not that many of them
in specific topics. Every day, and I'm not exaggerating and
I'm not bragging, every day I get at least a
dozen or more messages where people say, how do I
start looking into Orthodoxy? What should I read? What should
I do? Even though I already have a video on this,
it's I guess it's just something that you're going to
have to constantly repeat. Even though countless clips channels have
clipped me telling you what books to look at. I'm
going to do a very simple, easy to do version
of that right now. Okay, so let's start off with
if you're a Roman Catholic and you're interested in Orthodoxy,
where would you start? The first place you'd want to
start is Two Paths by Michael Welton. This is the
most easily readable and accessible, two hundred page book critiquing
the Papacy. I'm well aware that the Roman Catholicists have
already noted this book, and they've already mentioned it in
their books. It doesn't matter. It's still the best starting point.
Two hundred page critique of the papacy coming from people
who were traditional Catholics who became Orthodox. If by happenstance,
you're a set of a contest, I would get John
Pontrello's book The Set of a Contest Delusion. He's the
set of a contest that we helped to come to
become Orthodox. And then he wrote that excellent book next,
a little more advanced, but also just probably one of
the best. So if you've read this first book and
then this is not just for Roman Catholics, this is
for anybody Protestant or Catholic, and even Orthodox could benefit
from this. The very excellent hundred ish page book Church
Papacy Schism by doctor Phillip Chrard. This book critiques the
papacy in ways that no other critics address it. It
goes in to philosophical, historical, and metaphysical critiques of the papacy,
and it has not been topped in that regard as
far as I can see now. And if you want
to get really technical and scholastic, we have the most
recent giant two volume Errors of the Latins, which is
available from Uncut Mountain Press. We also did an interview
very recently on my channel with George that wrote and
compiled it O connect on the topic of the Philly Oaquay.
There are some pretty accessible texts, even though if you're
new to theology, there's still going to be a challenge
and there's just no way to get around this. There's
no shortcuts unfortunately when it comes to some of these
deep difficult theological issues. But I would say definitely start
with the Mystagogy of Saint Photius over the years. This
is one of the first Orthodox books I read back
in about two thousand and six or seven, and I
grasped a good bit of it. But even when I
first read it back then, it was challenging. It was difficult.
I later came back and read it a couple more
times and it made a lot more sense then. After
that book, the next best book, which is going to
be a little more advanced than that book on the
Philly Oquay, is Saint Gregory Palomus's book on the Procession
of the Holy Spirit, the Apidictic Treatise the Procession of
the Holy Spirit, also by Uncut Mountain Press. This one
is going to be significantly more difficult, more challenging, but
it's the second book that you want to read to
really understand our position on the papacy. And then there's
another book that's really important. I don't have it here
at this location, but it's Papadocus's book Crisis in Byzantium,
and I would also rate that an advanced text. So
you don't want to immediately jump into these advanced texts
per se. But what often happens. Oftentimes happens is people
ask me questions about what's the best orthodox book on
this topic, what's the best book on this topic, what
about this topic, what about that topic? So I'm giving
them to you topically. If you're not interested in these
theological topics, then don't worry. I'm going to give you
also other entry points that are perhaps more basic or
other topics. If you're interested in the topic of pallemism
and the energies, there's a specific book that is also
very accessible and very readable. It might have some challenges,
but it's directly about Gary Palmus himself, and it's called
and it's theologies called The Deification of Man by Giorgios Manzarids.
That is a great book and that's probably more accessible
than if you were to immediately dive into something like
the Tryads, although I would recommend eventually moving to the
Triads as you get more familiarized with the topic. But
what if you're not that familiar with that topic, Well,
there are some options. I would say Mystical Theology of
the Eastern Church by Vladimir Lawski is probably one of
the better starting points for the energy's doctrine and the
trinity and how they all relate. But also doctor Phillip
Cherard's Greek East Latin West is a great introduction to
this topic, particularly the chapter from Philosophy to Theology in
the Latin West. That is one of the best introductory
introductory theological discussions that you could pick up. I think
that book has been reprinted. Let's see it is right here.
It is not the Andrew louthwe Andrew LUTH's book is
a just strictly a history text. I do have it,
but it is not really relevant to the stuff that
we're talking about today. It is this version here doctor
Philip Scherrard's Greek East Latin West. So moving on, and
of course there are many other more advanced texts about
the essence introduce sinction. Obviously, doctor Bradshaw's books. No, this
is not a new camera. This is the same new
camera that I've had for the last I don't know
three months how long we had to I mean I
had the same campra It's the same cameras last night
and the night before. I just made this picture bigger
versus this, versus this. So people were saying that rather
than me in the tiny little box, two tiny little boxes,
it should be me as a big box and then
the information in a smaller box. So I've done that
as per audience request. Okay, So moving on other texts
that you should look at so that we can not
get bogged down and always having to respond and answer
the same old book recommendations. If you're interested in introduction
to Orthodox theology in general, not only would I say
Mystical Theology by Losky, but also Byzantine Theology by Father
John Meyendorff. It's really really good. Those are necessary texts,
but for a more broad introduction to all of Orthodox
theology in terms of Katechisis, and this is the book
that Father decin Anonius has chosen for his ongoing online Katechisis,
which you can go in chapter by chapter. They are
working through this text. It's Orthodox dogmatic theology by Palmazanski.
So that's another starting point when we're new to a
lot of these topics. But it's not just about books.
I understand everybody immediately has book questions, they have theology questions.
There's also going to be the need for you to
get if you're serious and you're not just studying, you'll
want to get a prayer book. And I have been
using the Little Blue Transfiguration Monastery Prayer Book since I
bought this in two thousand and seven, so maybe even
two thousand and six, so I've had this one for
almost twenty years. That's a good one if you are
more philosophically inclined, and I get this question a lot.
A lot of people want to know the philosophy at
the time of the Cappadocians and their philosophical system, the
milieu of that time. There's no better book than Yaroslav
Pelican's book Christianity and Classical Culture. I read this one
about fifteen years ago. I've frequently made use of it
and gone back to it. It's really well done, and he,
in a very helpful way, kind of explains a lot
of terminology, and a lot of everything is sourced and
cited in every Patristian. Uh, you know context that you're
that you're looking for a little more advanced in terms
of theology, after you've perhaps you've gone through some of
these is Orthodox Dogmatic Theology Volume one by Father Dmitriu
stan Eloy. This is a probably will be one of
the more difficult texts, so I would not start with
this text. It requires, probably like the Pelicon Book or
Palamas's own writings, a pretty sufficient knowledge of basic philosophy terminology.
So it's not a place you want to start. This
is a manual, a theology manual for more advanced studies.
But it's also really good. And I would say, in
terms of the Cappadocians, if you want to get started
reading the Church fathers, I would begin with On the
Incarnation by Athanasius. I would read Ad Gentees by Sant Athanasius.
I would read the Little Saint Vladimir Seminary Press of
the five Theological Orations of Saint Gregory not sian Zeus.
I would read On the Holy Spirit by Saint Basil.
I think all of these are standalone texts that you
could read and you know, if you want to progress
in terms of patristics, next, I would read the catechutical
Lectures of Saint Cyril of Jerusalem. So don't start your
patristic theology by, oh, I'm going to read I don't know.
People oftentimes jump into you know, I'm going to read
Santa Augustine's on the Trinity. Don't start there, because that's
not what the Church chose as its Trinitarian confession. Not
down playing or dissing Augustine, it's just I made the
mistake of going directly into Latin theology and Augustine in
my early twenties and parking myself there for the next
several years, reading thousands of pages of Saint Augustine, and
I didn't understand, and I missed a lot of things
that I should have gotten balanced out by reading the
Eastern Fathers, particularly the Cappadocians. And I didn't even realize
until many, many years later that the theology that's accepted
at the Second Ecumenical Council is not Augustinian. It's the
Cappadocian model of the Trinity. And that's pretty much a
completely different paradigm from what ends up being standard Latin Roman,
Catholic and unfortunately Protestant theology as well. So who is Bo?
What are you guys even talking about? Is that somebody
in the chat you talking about doctor Bo Branson? Oh
he's talking about the mods or you guys are joking.
Thank you guys for the super chat. So look, hopefully
this helps give us a starting point and you won't
have to ask me, oh, what's the book I need
to read about this or that? Now I'm not mad
at you for asking me these questions, but let's look
over here for people that are interested in reading about
Saint Maximus. Of course, this is the place that everybody
wants to start, and it's a good place on the
Cosmic Mystery. It's selections from Saint Maximus the Confessor. It's
the blue one. If you want to get started on
more advanced Patristic theology, after you've read Saint Ignatius and Cappadocians,
maybe you've read a little bit of Augustine, like the
in Caridian or something like that. If you do want
to go into reading Saint Augustine, you're not going to
finish the City of God. That's twelve hundred pages. Don't
pick up some gigantic, twelve hundred page text, you're not
going to finish it. You got to start with the
more basic stuff, like on the Incarnation. As you get
a little more advanced, though, I would say you could
read Saint John Damascus' is on the Orthodox Faith, which
is the first systematic theology. So even though the kind
cetical lectures of Saint Cyril Jerusalem are catechisas talks, it's
still not what we call a systematic theology, and that's
what Saint John Damascus created here with this text. And
then I would say you could branch off, for sure
into other topics like Orthodoxy in the religion the future,
if you want to. Those are not going to be
theologically challenging. I would say though, that if you want
to get into specifically the problems in Calvinism and why
Calvinism and Protestant Christology and PSA is wrong, you're going
to need to read On the Unity of Christ by
Saint Cyril, which is a very short book, but it's
also very essential. And you're gonna want to read The
Christological Controversy by John mcguckan. And I'm not recommending the
rest of John mcguckan, but specifically just that book. So
notice I'm not saying that everything from these authors is
all infallible you have to read. No, I'm giving you
very specific topics, and specifically, the Christology that Saint Cyril
has is what will ultimately refute and invert your deformed
Calvinist presuppositions and your PSA stuff. So believe it or not,
I'm not going to tell you to immediately find some
exegesis of Romans. No, it's the crystological change that will
erase all of the Nestorian presuppositions involved in PSA and
traditional quote unquote Protestant theology. Now beyond that, when you
have more specific problems and questions, Oh what about Mary?
What about Bob? What about icons? Okay? On the Holy
Icons Defense the Holy Images by St. Theodore and Saint
John Damascus. Those are two very accessible, easy to read texts.
So hopefully this kind of gives you a place to start.
And if you're a Protestant, this specific oh I just
want to read on the canon. Well, get Lee McDonald's
book Formation of the Christian Biblical Canon. Get F. F.
Bruce's book Canon of Scripture, and you'll see that in
those Protestant authors they admit the role of tradition and
patristics in the formation of the Biblical canon and the
necessity of tradition, and so thus that in that case
there's no Bible alone, standalone thing where we don't have
a necessity of some apostolic tradition or some notion of
you know, Church tradition. So these are places to start.
But remember, in terms of orthodoxy, all of these things
are in the abstract, in the theological realm, which is necessary,
but they're not really going to be about what you're
going to find in the next several years of being
orthodox becomes your focus, because what's going to happen is
you're going to think that it's all these issues that
have to be resolved, and then three four, five, ten
years in you are actually battling your own passions and
that is more important than getting the right books. And
you're going to find how challenging and how difficult battling
and defeating your sins and your passions is versus having
the right Amazon wish list, And your Amazon wish list
isn't going to get you in heaven. It might help you.
But anyway, so these are some of my recommendations. Certainly
there are other books that could easily be in the list,
but we got to start somewhere, and hopefully this will
help sort of cover the main topics that come up,
because it's almost always the case that you know, when
someone calls in, what do I need to read on this?
What do I need to read on this? So there
you go. Hopefully that is helpful. Now again, I know
there's many, many more books, but if you need a
specific title, I'm happy to give it to you. But also,
if you watch the streams most of this stuff, who's
already there if you pay attention. What's up? H rowsey?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: I did forget one book in terms of the Middle
Ages and that the split between East and West in
terms of a focus on church history, not so much
a focus on dogmatic theology, although it does come up,
is Christian East and the Rise of the Papacy by
Mayandorphan Papa Dooccus. This is also probably the best of
that time frame, and there are many books that cover
that time period, but that one is the best I've
seen so far. Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 1: Man? All right? Hey, you hear me this? Yeah? All right?
Speaker 2: Cool? Cool?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I wanted to take a take a
minute to Oh. I was thinking about something because I
you know, I told you I was watching old live
streams and I was thinking about something as I was
watching them. So, like you, you've been posting a lot
the past couple of well, you and the FDA have
been talking for a long long time about the income
and Muslim problem, and you know, you've been sharing some
stuff on in the past couple of days. And as
I was watching these live streams, something hit me and
I was thinking about, like the differences in between the
interactions that that we have with like but let's call
it like Christian infighting, like you know, differences we have
with Coptics and you know, Catholics and stuff like that.
And then you compare that to what's going on with
with Muslims. Whereas they just they absolutely cannot grasp these
things that you're saying to they to this, there's only thing,
well maybe two or three that have ever grasped the
Muslim dilimma. And it's like a basic, very basic hypothetical
you're giving them and they and they just can't understand it.
Whereas you know, what Coptics we're talking about Christology.
Speaker 1: Catholics.
Speaker 7: Uh, like you know, like big big theological differences and
stuff like that that that actually takes i Q and understanding.
And when like you, when you and FDA talk about
the income and problem we're having with them, like, people
need to take that into consideration because it reflects what's like,
it reflects what's going on in Europe right now. They
don't understand and maybe even can't understand the differences. You know,
we try and you know, established, you know, get across
to them, and they just resort to vidence.
Speaker 1: It's like a default set. Uh.
Speaker 7: That's pretty much it as far as the like and
I compared it to I compared it to like the
the experienced. Well, I don't want to ship on YouTube.
I don't want to say that, but uh, let's just
say it's very similar of what goes on with the
Lak people, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, I mean you're right that in general
that's the case. I did see however, today on my
in my news feed, two hundred and fifty black people
former Muslims were just baptized in Tanzania. So it is
possible to convert and catechize, you know, people in third
world situations, primitive situations. But I think typically the katekisis
is different. And that's what we see when certain elders
have catechized you know, sub Sharan African tribes. They don't
focus on you know, high falutin theological issues. They try
to make the katekisas as basic as possible. And that's
just the fact. It's not me being racist. I'm just
telling you the facts. So yeah, how to how to
deal with the incoming Muslim influx in terms of apologetics,
there is no easy answers to that because you know
a lot of these people are not going to care
about and don't care about your metaphysical nuances to explain
the trinity. So uh and and they're not you know,
going to get the Islamic dilemma. So I think probably
you know, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 8: How many, I bet it's really really rare, how many
Muslims convert to Christianity?
Speaker 6: H Well, I saw two hundred and fifty today on
on Instagram in Tanzania. They were just about yeah, two
hundred and fifty black Muslims converted to Orthodoxy in Tanzania.
Speaker 1: What was the story behind that?
Speaker 4: I'm interested.
Speaker 6: It's I just saw I just saw the it in
my feet. I don't know, I didn't read deep into it.
By the way, shout out to this guy that I
get to do a podcast with the other day's names.
Lewis Brackpool seems like a really good dude. We chatted
the other day that a show on the history of
Fabian Socialism. If you didn't see that podcast, go check
it out. But he also noticed I was watching some
of his videos today. He actually got some FOYA documents
and figured out the specific NGOs that are importing the
Infinity Muslims into Britain on purpose. And one thing he
noticed was how many of these politicians, not just Cure Starmer,
but many others are explicitly Fabian socialists. So this is
becoming I think people are queuing into this and figuring
this out a little more. And then the reason this
is relevant today is because Cure Starmer yesterday or today
was saying, oh, we're going to have straight up digital
tracking and id to quote help with immigration. Nobody believes
that because he's one that's persecuted the native British people
and his whole party is about bringing in infinity Muslims
so complete bullshit. Oh so well, then why is there
an internet tracking? Oh to shut you down, to track it,
that's why, to figure out who's saying what, and to
persecute the existing indigenous people of Albion to angles. And
so they have this goblin Fabian socialist psycho cure Starmer
saying is time for a digital tracking and tracing? Id
exactly what Brave New I mean nineteen eighty four is about. Remember,
George Orwell was in the circles of the Fabian socialists.
So when they have the party controlling the false opposition,
bringing in the Fabian socialist stuff, it's called ingsok in
the book English Socialism ing Sock. And he's not just
writing fiction. He was in the circles of British Intelligence.
He also spent time with social because he thought maybe
socialists were real opposition. They were all like, hey, socialists
are actually the false opposition, They're the controlled opposition. So
Orwell is telling you his own personal experience from the
bands in front of both the British Intelligence and being
amongst socialists. He's like, oh, this is actually all the
same stuff, and what have we been talking about for Okay?
The first time I heard about NGO's think tanks and
foundations playing this key role again was probably with two
thousand and seven or eight, not just from Lord Voldemort,
but reading f. Lay Mingdal because it was a big
part of his books. And then by the time I
think he wrote Full Spectrum Dominance in maybe twenty twelve
or fourteen, that whole book is about that. And then
by the time I read Tragy Hope, well, that's in
the book quite a bit. And then you know the
whole history of the OSS, the CFR, Builderberg, all that
stuff is the same stuff that we're talking about. Steering groups,
steering committees, think tanks, foundations. That's who is doing stuff,
not really the politicians, but masses and majority of people
still believe that the politicians are the ones doing everything.
The politicians are the real movers and shakers according to
all the normies. No, they still haven't figured out. Politicians
don't run shit, CFR, Trilateral and all the infinity inngos
and thing tanks. Now, everybody, I don't care if you
critique JD. Vance, but that was the first time I've
ever heard a presidential person say, oh, it's actually the
networks of NGOs and think tanks and Soros entities doing this.
He said that the other day. Now, whether they're really
doing anything is a different thing. But it's the first
time I've ever heard any might talk about that from
that level of quote politics. Maybe Barry Goldwater said something
like that thirty forty years ago. Maybe maybe he said
something like that, But regardless, the point is, and it's
not just the Soros network. Okay, we all know that
that is responsible for the Antifa stuff and countless other
left goblin stuff. Well, you can root that out, and
that's great, but there is at least one million think
tanks in the world, and ninety ish to ninety five
percent of them are liberal. So if we uproot one
of the biggest, that's great. But it's kind of like
Dosee getting rid of usaid. That is good, but there's
a million other think tanks to fill the black hole,
or they'll just create twenty new NGOs to do the
same stuff. So we have to be aware that that's good. Yeah,
I hope that jd. Vance is really going to do
something about this, And I think Trump mentioned this too,
maybe in the past couple of days. Others. I can't
keep up with everything, but they are men the no
it was either heg Seth or Stephen Miller. One of
them said something like, we're going to root out this
Soros network of NGOs and whatnot. Now this is about
ten fifteen years too late, though, because we were all
talking about this on our side of things a long
time ago and called every name in the book. We
were told how bad and evil we were for talking
about what was out there in the open Catholic charities
as well. By the way, all these Catholic charity groups
also need to go to prison for the same international
trafficking open borders trees and structure as well. So I
hope all of the idiot trad cats that defend all
of this, who are too stupid to realize their own
vatic and their own superstructure is a big part of
the problem. I hope they realized that they're supporting all
the people pushing trees, and that was Snack's argument several
years ago. That's why I'm more and more I don't
even want to interact with or have anything to do
with Roman Catholics. They can, they're welcome to call in.
I'm still going to be friends with certain Roman Catholics
like Tim Gordon, but like I just they're insane. I
don't under that. There's there's no you can't read. There's
a certain point where you can't reason with people anymore.
So you just got to move on. Did you want
to say something for the digging?
Speaker 1: Oh, you'll get a kick out of this.
Speaker 8: So Thursday's class ask my students can you define what
enormy is?
Speaker 1: And it was really good. They were like, oh, somebody who.
Speaker 8: Can't do an analysis further than like politics left and right,
Like that's.
Speaker 1: That's so well said huh.
Speaker 8: Their analysis goes as well, it's it's communists and Islamo.
Speaker 6: Terrorism or I mean, did normies even care about politics?
I mean maybe at a very just basic like you said, yeah,
like a very super basic.
Speaker 1: And then the students have another thing.
Speaker 8: Enormis somebody that says things are the way they appear
they are.
Speaker 6: That's a good one. That's another good you know, characteristic.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I, Michael, that's a really good I was
actually shocked only five students out of the class that
like twenty five thirty raised their hand to know what
the word normany even meant. But like those who did
gave a really good definition. Of and it's just kind
of odd. You know, we have a certain kind of
group that's online that we know exactly the kind of
terms that they're familiar with, and but you know, we
think like all Z generations that way. It's like they're not, like,
I mean, out of thirty people, I thought everybody knew
what Normy was, only five or six knew.
Speaker 1: Is that odd? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Catholic Charney's literally is there to help facilitate the
movement of these people into the US. So Henry, also,
if you have your questions, keep your questions concise, Please
don't ramble. Ask your questions. Let's get to the point
so we can move on. But also you're welcome to
calling in debate if you disagree.
Speaker 9: What's up, man, Hey, Jaye, good to talk togain Man, Hey,
I got a super quick question for you.
Speaker 2: Maybe FDA can answer it.
Speaker 1: So in Revelation four four, we.
Speaker 10: See the twenty four elders judging the nations, and my
question is really on the twenty fourth seat, right is
you know, because we know that it's probably the fathers
of the twelve tribes of Israel, and then you know
eleven of the apostles.
Speaker 1: Of course, Judas left them, So who.
Speaker 4: Would fill that final seat?
Speaker 1: Is that Saint Mathias or Saint Paul or who would
that be.
Speaker 6: I don't think it matters so much who the specific
person is, as it's a symbolic representation of twelve and
twelve because you know we have other people called equal
to the apostles, you know the names of the apostles
written on the twelve foundation stones. I think it's more
symbolic than it is some literal office of twenty four people.
It just represents the entire Church of Old Testament and
New Testament. Joe, what's up?
Speaker 1: Joe? I'm you, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 6: Yep?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 11: So I wanted to ask if there's any way to
get around, like do you believe in younger theory or
do you have to believe, like not believe in evolution
to be orthodox.
Speaker 6: Well, the proper attitude, I think would be to accept
what the Church teaches and what the church fathers teach,
not what can I get away with and get around.
So I think the whole attitude, the way the question
is framed is wrong because it's a question of you're
submitting your entire paradigm to divine revelation. You're not gonna
tell a divine revelation. Okay, I'm gonna submit eighty percent,
but twenty percent no, because I because I don't understand
that part. I don't get that part yet. Now I'm
not saying that you're wrong for having hold ups or
you know, you know, issues that you don't find to
be clear yet, or issues of conscience. That's understandable. But
a lot of times what happens with people that convert
or come into Orthodoxy is they have the attitude of
I'm gonna fix Orthodoxy and I'm gonna tell all of them, Oh,
you need to be actually be Tomas. Oh, actually evolution
needs to be taught everywhere in Orthodoxy. Blah blah blah
blah blah.
Speaker 8: That's what I God, forgive them, forgive me.
Speaker 1: That's what I actually thought. You know, we all thought that.
Speaker 6: I've thought that too. When I was first getting into
oh I need to fix orthodox I was very Latin minded.
I thought I got to bring on Extinianism into Orthodoxy.
I had these same temptations back in the build.
Speaker 1: Now I never did.
Speaker 12: I met a couple of people that's really odd that says, oh,
I don't believe that about Orthodox not really kind of
how it works.
Speaker 1: I don't believe the Orthodox dogmon my fall.
Speaker 8: Was well, of course all the fathers are anarchical capitalists.
Speaker 1: I just got to convince everybody in the of course.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say, read book like Genesis, Creation Early Man,
read Saint Basil tex Samaran, and then read The First
Creative Man by Saint Simeon, and then come back and
see if you think that you could smash theistic evolution
into that don't know what's up?
Speaker 2: Hello, yep, hey day, thanks for thanks for having me here.
Speaker 5: I wanted to say I listened to Urine Richard Grove's
podcast on Have All Things talking about Fabian socialism.
Speaker 7: I really really.
Speaker 5: Appreciate that kind of open eyes to a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I kind.
Speaker 5: Of wanted to comment on is, you know, the politicians.
Speaker 1: Don't really run the world.
Speaker 5: Try that don't council all these n g O s
and thing tanks. Well, one of the you know, biggest
thing tanks out there, the Atlantic Council. They have a
whole bunch of x C I A uh x you
know FBI director.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know they were they were the ones telling
Facebook and Twitter at the time who to censor back
during the Twitter files and all that, right, Right, So.
Speaker 5: There's there's a there's an essence of politicians, uh you know,
leaving the leaving the government and then going to these
uh you know, think tanks to pedal influence and use
their influence that they still have in the government. So
I I I wouldn't say it's it's never the politicians.
Speaker 6: Yeah, obviously when I say that it's not the politicians,
I'm speaking at an ultimate level. I'm not saying politicians
have no power. So it's rhetorical language.
Speaker 5: Sure, that's yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know another thing too, to kind of talk about
normal I've you know, I've had roommates growing up Normanis
have don't even care about politics.
Speaker 1: They love football, they love they love their.
Speaker 6: Bad said normies don't care about politics. They just there
in sports.
Speaker 8: What I meant by that is they think that's all
they're that there are two political parties and that's.
Speaker 6: As far everything is surface level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything surface level.
Speaker 8: So it's it's not that they're involved necessarily in politics.
It's just they think that that's as far up as.
Speaker 1: It goes, I'm not really interested in watching sports ball
and whatever, but that is normy sure.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Then last before I hop off, j you know,
I appreciate everything you do for the you know, for
the movement, for Christianity in general. I I do want
to ask you know, when when you go to meet
the creator of the universe, you know, after you've passed
from this earth, Uh, he talks to you about He
asked you, hey, what what did you do for you know,
for me and and and in my cause on earth? Uh.
The the way you kind of lead young men to
kind of act like mongoloids and call each other and
call each other retards within the Christian community, it turns
a live young men.
Speaker 1: Off.
Speaker 5: I was on your uh spaces the other day. You
guys are talking about dunking on idiot conservatives, and one
of one of the things that I I just want
to encourage people is that you know, these some of
these idiot conservatives are are young people seeking truth and
it's our.
Speaker 6: Job is a powerful that's really powerful of you. Do
you do you think that insults are ever used in
the scriptures or church fathers for people?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, so I lead men to act like mongol.
Speaker 1: Lords one time, I didn't hear to.
Speaker 6: Hear, where where do I lead men to act like mongoloids?
I mean, it's just such a ridiculous thing.
Speaker 5: I think that was probably a bad phrasing.
Speaker 4: Of that.
Speaker 14: Of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so are you an evangelical?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly so I knew right away that your gay
evangelical speak identified you as an evangelical and you are
the problem. You are the problem.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, here we go. You're the one that started
here we go with your nonsense.
Speaker 1: Nonsense.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, you know I do appreciate what you do, Jay,
even if you can be a you know, a dumb
bastard sometimes.
Speaker 6: And did you see how see what's funny about this
is that you did the exact same thing, see an
then he runs away like an exact effeminate skittles man.
So notice how fake that is that he comes to
talk about piety and piety signaling and then does the
ig exact same thing that he supposedly is saying. Is
the worst thing. That's why these people are just just insufferable,
disgusting people. I cannot stand. These people are the worst.
The online piety signalers are the worst people.
Speaker 15: What are you gonna say to the creative universe?
Speaker 6: What he says? What did you do for me? What
did you do for me? That guy right there is
the reason why people leave evangelicalism. What's up?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 6: Jay has gone downhill?
Speaker 16: Like?
Speaker 6: What does that even mean? What are you even talking about?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 6: If you're I want that guy in the chat colin,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: John?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 8: Remember when jaypis so awesome and he.
Speaker 6: He just said, well, you notice how he couldn't control himself? Right,
So it's like, you need to have better self control?
You disgusting? What did you? I forget what he called me?
But it's like virtuous victimhood and narcissistic dark triad traits exactly,
but it is present. They're the worst.
Speaker 8: It got infected with the kind of effeminate.
Speaker 6: You know, emotionally, the whole thing was tone policing and
wanting to demonstrate his own moral superiority. And then what's
funny is like immediately when there's some confrontation or opposition,
he does the worst version of the thing that he's
calling out in me.
Speaker 16: I was like when they start out like by complimenting.
Speaker 6: No, that's another effeminate trait where they want to particular I.
Speaker 2: Love everything you do everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you had disgusting parent.
Speaker 2: I love what you do, but you're disgusting mongoloid.
Speaker 16: That's an old that's an old trick from back in
the old days too, Like you know, call in and
start start out to get like when you used to
have to call into radio shows, you they'd have the
screener and you tell them something different.
Speaker 2: When you get on air, you totally go off on
the host.
Speaker 6: And you notice he immediately ran away too. When I
started asking questions, he just left.
Speaker 16: That's what you should make me and Father Deacon the
screen the screeners for the Jay Dyer Show.
Speaker 6: It's weird too because like the evangelical that acts that way,
like he doesn't even see, like he's like, oh I
told him and like told no self awareness of like
what actually went down.
Speaker 8: You remember, I love the ones that like come on
and argue on Twitter about how bad arguing is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another classic one that they do. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Or that's mma guy that was on Fish Tank that
called in to debate me about why debating is bad. Yep,
all right, I gotta hold on I got a super
check here from Bo says for fifty dollars. Setting aside,
Doug Wilson, would you support a political doctrine of Christian nationalism?
I did an entire livestream critiquing the problem with Protestant
Christian nationalism in.
Speaker 1: All these they just have all these infighting, they'd all
kill each other.
Speaker 6: Well, they're all too gay now, they wouldn't actually kill
anybody that they're all like, yeah, they would be all
beyond grinder trying to fight fight. They'd be fighting in
the DMS on Grinder. Let's see, it's the one that
has Doug Wilson on the cover here. It is right here.
So I did a live stream right here answering your question,
and what's the problem with Christian nationalism from a Protestants perspective?
Doug Wilson. Here's a three hour live stream answering that Africa.
There so debate everyone's a fat Christian nationalism and Doug
Wilson Parker, what's up man, John? Do you have anything else?
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that, going back to the
normies with.
Speaker 16: Politics, they they tend to stick to the If they
do want to talk about politics, they tend to stick
to the surface issues or regurgitating what they just heard.
Speaker 6: On the news. Yes it's not.
Speaker 2: And you know I myself and I know you as well.
Speaker 16: You know, at one time you might be a young
person who's like grown up watching CNN or you know
whatever news station back in the eighties, and you don't
really know anything, but there's still like a larger desire
to kind of to get to the point where you
can read a Brazinski or a Samuel P.
Speaker 2: Huntington or something. But most people don't have that desire.
Speaker 1: They don't.
Speaker 2: They don't, they don't think as as far as that.
Speaker 16: And then when like I remember the first time I
ever heard of the Council on Foreign Relations, that intrigued me.
But then I've seen for you know, twenty twenty five years,
just like you guys that if you bring up the
Council on Foreign Relations and then you start, even if
somebody has never heard of it, and you start explaining what.
Speaker 2: It is, glaze comes over their eyes as you're explaining this, Oh,
this is what we're.
Speaker 12: Doing in my class this this week Tuesday is where
I'm going to talk a little bit about tragedy and
hope by the way Ryan, Darren and I were just
talking about this last night, like that exact.
Speaker 1: Ryan, Yeah, but it would just be glaze.
Speaker 8: You'll get five people out of like thirty that are
like interested.
Speaker 6: Protagonist. What's up? Or excuse me? Pro tag, PALPA team?
What's up?
Speaker 5: Baby?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 17: Jay?
Speaker 6: How are you good?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 18: Hey man?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 4: I joined a little bit of late.
Speaker 19: So if you did say no TAG arguments, did you,
I'm not.
Speaker 6: Doing I'm not doing TAG today. I didn't say that,
but it's actually the only thing I don't feel like
talking about today. So because it just ends up being
like thirty minutes of explaining philosophical topics and I'm just
not in the movie for that. It's just gonna as
soon as we started doing a thirty minute technical philosophical discussion,
three hundred people leave the chat. So it just it's
not the It needs to be separate for its own
niche topic. Doctor. What's up?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 13: Hey?
Speaker 20: Just had a question for you about John six and
the you Christ. I asked my I'm an.
Speaker 1: Inquire in Greek Orthodox Church.
Speaker 20: I asked the deacon when we were meeting for breakfast
about John six, about you know, the partaking in the
Eucharist and that being a necessary precondition to salvation obviously
outside of extraordinary means. And his response was, He's say,
he's a little bit more liberal on that kind of thing.
I was just wondering your take on the partaking in
the Eucharist being a necessary precondition of salvation outside of
you know, extra normative means.
Speaker 6: Oh, well, yeah, I mean Jesus says you got to
eat and feed on His flesh and blood. If you don't,
you don't have eternal life. So yes, outside of the
normal means. Yes, I mean, but there might be you know,
extenuating circumstances where but that would be outside the normal means. Right,
So a person who converts but isn't able to get
to the Eucharist, or you know, you have a Saint
Mary of Egypt situation, those are those are exceptions to
the rule, right, But as Father Deacon often points out,
you know, we don't make the exceptions the rule. And
for what whatever reason, I'm not calling you a midwit,
but midwip people they always want to interject exceptions to
sound smart, as if this is some sort of like
mind blowing thing, like who about this? Who would about that?
It's like, yeah, but your whatabouts and your exceptions could
never be the rule. It would be insane to make
the exceptions of the rule. I'm not talking about I'm
not calling the deacon dumb. I don't know what he
means by him a little more liberal.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't even know what that means. But yeah, I
just I think that, I mean, why would you not
want I think that again, a lot of these questions
are framed wrong. It's like, it's not a question of
you know, legalities, like we're Roman Catholics. It's like, but
why would you not want to be feeding on? You
know what I mean? It's the questions frame wrong, you
know what I mean. It's like Tim Bardon asked me
one day, He's like, is an immortal sin if you
miss the divine liturgy in your church? And I'm like,
I don't think we think of it that way, because
it's sort of like you should want to come, you
know what I mean? Anyway, Elijah, what's.
Speaker 1: Bill?
Speaker 6: Yep?
Speaker 1: Hey sotill. I had a I had two things real quick.
Speaker 21: The first thing was I was thinking on a drive
back home from a from a job, like you know
a few hours away from home.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about.
Speaker 21: Roman Catholic apologetics, and I had this argument.
Speaker 1: I guess that I kind of wanted to run by
you and see what you thought about.
Speaker 21: So so I've noticed that the Roman Catholic apologists always
do quote mining, taking random quotes from things about how
they're like, you know, using flowery language against Rome. But
they do not in any way, shape or form, apply
the same standard to their own popes. In fact, they
do the exact opposite, because if you see preskism, if
you take pre schism quotes from popes and you and
you throw them back at them that you know, seems
to kind of go against the idea of paper and fallibility, they.
Speaker 1: Will they will brush it off.
Speaker 21: Or if you take post schism saying uh, sorry postchism
pope quotes that go against Catholic theology and refute themselves,
then they.
Speaker 1: Just say, oh, it's oh, it's not ex Cathedral, so
it doesn't count.
Speaker 21: But for some weird reason, they put a lot of
emphasis and a lot of weight on random Church father
quotes from the first millennium, like as if it's from
ex Cathedral, But they don't apply that to the popes
of the second millennium.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, as we've said for a long time, and
I appreciate your comment there. Yeah, the entire Roman Catholic
apologetic is about, uh, moving the goalposts to fit the
needs of the time. So if you got a problem quote,
well it's conveniently not fallible, doesn't count. If you got
a strong papal quote, there you go it roll it
out part of the quote mind list. So yeah, exactly
like it's just move the goalpost and use whatever fits
fits the occasion. And that's exactly what we've been But
that's actually I think when you get a little more
sophisticated in this stuff, because I one time fell for
those papal quote minds too, right back in two thousand
and three, four or five. I didn't know the context
of a lot of these. I wasn't familiar with the
nuances of the ecumenical councils, and so yeah, I I
fell for quote minds without understanding context.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, and that's that they're they're their whole apologetic. By
the way, you'll notice, I mean all they do is
defend the papers, the religion is the papacy. How much
time do they spend debating Muslims about the deed of
Christ like we do, I mean, not one tenth of
what we do. And yet did you see the church
fathers expending ninety five percent of their time defending Rome
and the papacy.
Speaker 8: And they don't even really talk about theology if you
think about.
Speaker 6: It, No, they don't. They don't spend it because the
only theology that matters is the papacy. The whole religion
is the papacy. And I know they think that, well,
but we do have all these other doctrines. Look at
the Catholic Catechism, it's a joint page book. I'm aware
of that, all that. But all of your apologists, all
they ever do is papal lawyering. They're just lawyers for
the pope. That's it. Many of them, I think actually
at this point, are just grifters. They're locked into it.
They're making money. Why leave it? So, yeah, the religion
is the papacy Pelagonian. Well, by the way, why would
they debate Muslims when they spent the last several months
arguing that they worshiped the same God as the Muslims,
which is completely preposterous. If that's not the sign that
that's a false religion than your indulusion. There's nothing that
could be said. There's a more fundamental problem that language
and throwing more arguments at you is not going to
solve what's up.
Speaker 13: Pelagonian Aja, the Council of Stantinople eighteen seventy two, they
condemned amphilitism.
Speaker 4: It's correct.
Speaker 13: Is that universally received by the whole church.
Speaker 1: At the moment.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's probably still up for some debate. I
think Moscow didn't necessarily receive it, but I think the
principle there is true.
Speaker 22: Yeah, Gez say that there's a bit of that going
on at the moment, especially among the Greeks, who some
of them would exult in ethnicity.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely. In fact, I have a Greek Orthodox archdiocese
book that says not to convert people.
Speaker 13: Not to confirt people.
Speaker 23: Okay, you've heard similar things from certain Christs to say,
for example, which is a different subject, but not to
convert Coptics for.
Speaker 2: Example, as they are somehow close to us.
Speaker 6: Well, that's an ecumenist mindset, but they also have an
ethnic worship mindset too, where they don't want people coming
into their church and changing the demographics. So, but both
things are present. And it can occur anywhere. But even
if again, whether that is now binding on the entire church,
Like the principle is obviously true, Like you can't put
your ethnicity above the universal called the Gospel. It should
be obvious.
Speaker 22: Yeah, I'm not sure if you agree or disagreement on
Twitter's X especially you see a lot of orthodox like
even going and turning racial, turning Orthodoxy in some kind
of racial direction.
Speaker 4: Do you see that as something that's quite right?
Speaker 6: Again, it depends on the hierarchy of priorities. And this
is really the point that even Father Turbo was making
at the Ludwell conference. So you can care about your
people group. It's maybe I might have accidentally hit the button. Okay,
we're back. Yeah, I think I just when I was
moving the mouse, I think I accidentally hit in the
stream on obs, So I think that was my mistake anyway, Yeah,
I mean, you can have a concern for your people
group without submitting to putting your people group above the
call of the Gospel. Right, So both things can be true.
But what always happens, invariably is that when people lose
sight of this hierarchy of priorities, then what happens is
they immediately sort of default to the ethnic and political
concerns as their number one. So, for example, the traditional Catholics,
the America first Flint Test crowd, what matters most of
them politics, Politics is first and foremost, and papacy and
all of its teachings that's just another kind of add
on of quote Christianity, but it's always secondary. So even
if it was true true Christianity, if papism was true Christianity,
it's secondary to the political struggle. And what we say,
which is the orthodox teaching, is that there's a hierarchy
of importance and in terms of your own life, it's
not your political nation state objectives that's first and foremost.
So for a lot of people, especially in America, and
somebody talking about this on Twitter today, in America, politics
is like an idol and a drug. So rather than
religion being the opiate of the masses, it's actually political action,
civic action that's the opiate of the masses. And I'm
saying that as a person who, yeah, I was politically
active and really interested in politics in my twenties and
then I realized you don't really do anything in politics
unless you're a billionaire. I mean, politics is a rich
man's game. And then so as you're going to get
as you get older, you're going to realize, like I
would have been better off focusing my time and energy
on building a family, building wealth and all that stuff,
rather than trying to think, well, I'm twenty years old,
I'm will fix the i will fix the world. Every
twenty year old is an I just idealistic goober who
thinks that he's going to fix a change the world.
And it's just not reality. It's not realistic. You have
to grow up, you have to learn and experience the world.
How are you going to fix the world? Number one?
When you haven't fixed yourself? And number two, like you
haven't experienced the world, you're not in a position to
do anything. So yeah, I understand God is political, but
politics is not God, and it's not number one most
important in our lives. That is the difference between the
Roman Catholic attitude towards these topics and what I talk about, Nick,
what's up?
Speaker 1: Okay, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: I got a question for both you and okay father
d kids as well, and.
Speaker 18: I ask so kind of looking for some help with
troubleshooting kind of like my study and where I'm running
into I think snags and roadblocks. I mean, I basically
don't even do I don't even.
Speaker 4: Have a TV. I don't watch Netflix or do any
of that shit.
Speaker 6: I just listen to.
Speaker 18: Your stuff, and you know, it's it's weird because I
remember listening to where someone was saying, oh man, yeah,
everyone's problem is they're just watching short form contents of
their attention Spanish Friede right, and I laughed. I'm like,
I'm listening to like three hour streams from Jay and
chilling the entire time.
Speaker 4: I'm even like getting work done while I'm doing it.
Speaker 18: And I noticed that whenever I'm listening to your stuff
on History, like I've been listening through the entire Tragedy
and Hope series.
Speaker 4: And that was phenomenal, by the way, Like I'm really
enjoying that.
Speaker 1: It's very easy for me to follow it.
Speaker 18: Even the guy you recently had on, mister Grove, really
enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: All that stuff's.
Speaker 18: Really easy for me to follow, and I thrive with that.
And it's also really easy for me to understand it
memorize it. You know, I'm not claiming like I can
repeat everything, but a lot of the points stick and
I'm able to get the.
Speaker 5: Essence of it.
Speaker 4: But then when I move over to some of the.
Speaker 18: Stuff on philosophy, and specifically also whenever I'm catching you
debating with the Catholics, like the one you did recently
with that guy on the Big Podcast, I don't I
don't remember his name. Yeah, it's like when you guys
get into the metaphysics and the actual understanding I don't
even know whether to label as theology or whatnot, but
going into the differences between Catholicism versus Orthodoxy, Dude, it's
almost like it's like you hit mute in my brain
and I can't process it. And I don't know whether
it's that I don't have the basics down and I
don't understand it, or it's a matter of hey, dude,
like I father Moses is my spiritual father, and he
was telling me with philosophy, some people the light bulbs off,
some people the light bulbs flickering, some people the light
bulbs completely on. And I'm just I'm not sure if
you've ever had to speak with someone about that, or
if you've ever noticed that as a trend or pattern,
and what your advice would be there to just kind
of get a better firmer grip on that area of studying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, philosophy is like any of the
other arts. It's like playing guitar. I mean, you got
to put time and effort into it. It's not a
thing that is just gonna magically be there. So you
got to read, you got to research. But hey, the
thing is, in the Orthodox world, you don't have to
be into philosophy. There's nothing about Orthodoxy that necessitates that
you've got to be into philosophy unless you want to,
and you want to understand these things so real that's
really up to you, and maybe you know, maybe you
have those proclivities if you do, I would say, in
order to understand a lot of what I talked about,
not everything, but a lot of what I talked about
with Tim Gordon, I would say, read Christianity and Classical Culture,
The Metamorphosis of Natural Theology and the Encounter with Hellenism
by Yaroslav Pelicon. Now, if you're new to philosophy, that
might be a little bit challenging, but that will help
you to understand what the theology of the Trinity and
all this terminology is about. In terms of debating with Tim,
I know that you know, early on we talked about
the essenceyentergy distinction, So some of the books I recommend
at the beginning of the stream would be very relevant
for that. I would say though, that most guys that
put some time in and and stick with it, they
usually get the hang of philosophy. And my experience, and
this is not all women, but a lot of women
just are not made for philosophy, so they don't really
care to put the time in, and they're not they're
just not interested in it. So but most dudes tend
to get it and they like it if you put
the time and effort in. So it's really just a
question of you know, how far you want to go
into philosophy and whether you think it's it's it's relevant
for you. Fda is a philosophy professor, I'll let him
speak to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, well, first of all, just reading.
Speaker 8: Philosophy it's going to be really difficult. I was blessed
because when I was introduced to philosophy, like seventeen eighteen,
there were two kind of local groups and so.
Speaker 1: They're both Christian.
Speaker 8: One of them was Russ Manning's group to be able
to just kind of talk these things out behind. I
felt the same way. I was really really intimidated. I
understand a lot of stuff, and I'd say that half
of that was vocabulary. So what I didn't encourage you
to do, I'm encouraging my students.
Speaker 1: I have an.
Speaker 8: Online I put it on the course. It's an online
philosophy dictionary, And anytime you come.
Speaker 2: Across the word just why to make you know, uh,
like a glossary yourself right.
Speaker 1: Out, because that word will come And so a.
Speaker 8: Lot of this stuff's just kind of a niche technical
language and charge that once you kind of start mastering that,
it's like, oh yeah, I remember that word.
Speaker 1: I remember. Yeah, it gets a lot more approachable.
Speaker 6: Sam, what's that? What's on your mind?
Speaker 1: Hey? Jay?
Speaker 15: The recent Sam Hide shows stuff is been great.
Speaker 1: So stoked to see that that is going really well.
Thank you.
Speaker 15: Yeah. I've just been listening to the past few streams
you've been putting out and just had some thoughts on
like the younger generations coming into politics, and I pretty
much agree with everything you've said, Like I've had to
learn it myself, just kind of coming you know, out
of college. You're kind of instinctually know that there was
a lot of you know, bullshit being kind of pushed around,
and so you're like kind of this midway twenty year
old some you know, twenty something. You're like trying to
find a simple answer. You know, you're trying to find
an easy answer, and that's pretty much what most people
are looking for. And so that's why it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 15: Not a lot of people are ready or have the
patience or the open heart to be corrected on a
lot of these things.
Speaker 6: And well, what what do you suggest? What do you
think will be a better approach to get through to
people and to reach more people? What's your suggestion?
Speaker 5: Well, I I think to reach more people, right, like, you've.
Speaker 1: Got to have that midway person or that like kind.
Speaker 15: Of middle of the road like the middle of the
horseshoe theory of intelligence, that kind of big market in mind.
Speaker 6: And so so have what shorter videos that don't use
a lot of big words. I'm serious in serious.
Speaker 15: Yeah, well you're you're a comedian, and that's why it's
like kind of crazy that, you know, I had to
find someone like you to kind of you know, open
my perspective to things like orthodoxy and and geopolitics that's
really not as simple as what people want to believe.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 15: Like I think you're building like a solid core audience,
Like you've done all the hard work of just having
a fan that like really vibes with your stuff, and
even though it's it grows slower, it's a much more
like it's a less fickle.
Speaker 6: No, we absolutely get a solid bro core. We got
the bro Core and the reason we got the solid
bro Corps. Thank you for that call. But I'm trying
to get through as many as you can before we
actually have a writing group tonight for the Sam Hid Show,
So I got to go talk to Ryan here in
a little bit. But yeah, I think the quality of
the people that we get, because there is a learning curve,
it tends to be higher quality. So we get the
smarter crowd. We get the guys that don't mind, you know,
solving some puzzles to make sense of things because you know,
I'm so yeah, the bro cor Yeah, instead of Ortho Bros,
it's bro Core. Instead of ro Corps, it's brokere.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 6: That's funny. I didn't even think about that when I
said it. But yeah, we get it. We get a
better quality. You know, it's not a bunch of weird
in cells, you know, losing their mind and hating on
women all day. Like to me, that just seems like
just loser shit, dude. Like if you if you never
talk to women, you can't get a date. You gotta
think about changing yourself, dog, Like that's more important than
whatever you think is going on out there. Okay, And
that's a big point. You know that Father Turbo is
always making like you think, oh, I've I'm gonna fix
the world and I'm gonna use orthodoxy to fix the world,
and you realize, actually, I'm still working on changing myself. Now,
that's not to say you can't be involved in these things.
It's just gonna reorient your priorities. And everybody thinks in
either oars, everybody thinks it's all it's either this or that. Well,
either you're into politics or you are a pietist. Really no, no,
it's hierarchy is a priority. It can be a bout
with so don't get caught up. And it's really load
tier kind of either worse of Tech Technician TV what's
up man?
Speaker 5: Hey Jay?
Speaker 3: Yes, hey man, are you taking like the I think.
Speaker 17: It was yesterday the day before you were taking like
some suggestions?
Speaker 1: Sure that still something?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 17: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think when you do your streams, is.
Speaker 17: It kind of more off the cuff or do you
have like I guess, like bullet points that you follow.
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: Sometimes I have it some tabs that I saw see
that are interesting throughout the day, and then sometimes it's
just completely off the cuff.
Speaker 1: Sure, okay?
Speaker 17: And yeah, So I mean I watched Nick Pointest too,
and I do think that overall you have a much
like wiser message ship has to write way to phrase it.
I think. I think the reason that his clips do
pretty well is if you'll notice he kind of shifts
into a gear sometimes where he's obviously trying.
Speaker 1: To be clipped.
Speaker 17: And I think if I think if you maybe if
you went through not your script, but like if you
had your bullet points and then you saw, hey, you
know this one might make a good clip. Uh, then
you kind of you you kind of turn on the
charisma like into overdrive during that moment.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 17: So I noticed I notice if you watch him, he
does that a little bit like he'll kind of switch
into this gear where he'll like, he'll ramp up his
rhetoric and kind of he'll just he'll go into overdrive
and then those are the ones you see, Okay, but
his whole show's not like.
Speaker 6: That, right right, Well, I think, uh, I think the
thing is and you're right about that. What what I
do on my channel usually I and I didn't plan
that or it wasn't even aware of that because I
don't I don't have time to watch other other creators
really uh, and people are saying, yeah, Nick does that, well, Uh,
I mean, I'm I'm open to having anybody offer credit
feedback that they think would make better because you guys
are the ones watching and listening. So it's not about criticize.
We're not about criticizing today. It's about what what do
you guys want to see? What would make it better?
And that's absolutely always on topic, So appreciate that.
Speaker 1: We'll go to.
Speaker 6: Father Siscos in just one second, but I did want
to read a couple super chats. Appreciate that, guys, I
actually think we kind of do that. The only thing is,
like I've only in the last couple of weeks really
told people to start clipping, and so the clips channels
are fairly new, but the clippers are all finding really
good stuff. And I noticed, for example, some of the
clips on TikTok are getting sixty eighty hundred thousand views.
So that's perfect, that's what we want to see. We
haven't really popped off on Instagram, even though dire clips
on Instagram or dire Verse on Instagram is getting some
good views. Some of them are getting twenty thirty thousand views,
which is great. So yeah, I just keep it up.
You guys are doing really great and they're finding the good,
the good nuggets within. You know, the couple hours, father Ciscos,
did you want to say something? Are you there?
Speaker 3: Me?
Speaker 6: No? Oh, Father Christians he left, so we had.
Speaker 8: A we had he's there, but he's listener.
Speaker 6: Well he's it says he's an Orthodox priest. Do you
want to talk or yeah, I'll go ahead. What's up?
I'm mute?
Speaker 24: Hey, sorry For some reason, as soon as I started talking,
I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. Oh, there we go. I can hear you now, Hey, Jay.
Speaker 24: I've been listening to your stuff for like the past
two weeks. I haven't heard of you till I want
to say, maybe six months ago, maybe a little bit more,
but I've.
Speaker 2: Appreciated your work.
Speaker 24: I just want to say thank you God, bless you good,
make God give you strength and continue to enlighten your ministry,
especially to the young men here.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you. I appreciate that I don't call myself
a minister or a ministry, but I appreciate that. I
consider myself a goofy internet man, but I think in
this age, ironically that's what people listen to. So but
thank you for that. Appreciate it very much. Let's see
brand wall of twenty dollars. This is a great stream,
looks extra clean. Eddie lifts two dollars. Can you give
us a tier list of easy to hard books I listed.
I think in that list ones that were intro with
ones that were advanced. Rainish Nadan. Thank you for the
books and recommendations, Grizzly Frank. What about The Orthodox Faith
by Father Thomas Hopco. Every time I talk about this,
people always want to say, what about this series? What
about the look? If that works for you, guys, that's great.
I'm just telling you the books that I think that
I'm familiar with. I'm not familiar with I think I
have that father Hopco for four volume introduction. It's just
I never read it and I never came in through
that route. So you know, if it's good, if it
works for you, that's great brand. Wolf ten dollars. People
who call in are having Paul Washer levels of emotions.
He's talking about that evangelical guy, Glitter Rhythm ten dollars.
What a goofy guy. He finished with calling you a
dumb bastard, and he debunked his whole point about not
saying mongoloid speech. Yeah, exactly, Shepherd, five dollars. I'm transforming
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scream that the Crucifixion death is an offering to the triad.
Can you talk about this satisfaction element. Well, it's not
really satisfaction. That's more of a Roman Catholic idea of
what's happening in the Crucifixion. But I did an entire
video on the clips channel Volpace addressing this specific topic,
and it's about the Byzantine theology that refutes PSA. That
whole fifteen minute video is answering that question. Ignastios Lario's
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What's up. Nobody's going to even use the term ortho
bro anymore. It's going to be all Mongo Bros, the brongoloids,
the bro core Mango Bros or whatever contemporary compendium shout
out to him. Five dollars a great clips channel, one
of the many dire clips channels. Thank you guys for
doing all the clips. I noticed clips really seemed to
struggle on X and we're just now beginning to pop
off on TikTok and Instagram. But guys, keep it up.
It takes a while. There's no I don't know how
it works, but the TikTok and Instagram ones are beginning
to pop off. And that's great because that's actually what
so I wasn't from Flint do us. Actually where I
noticed this was this is what Tate did in twenty twenty.
He got all his Tater taught people to go wild clipping,
and that made Tait's audience go from I remember I
was on somebody's podcast and I had a bigger YouTube
channel than Andrew Tait had at the time. This is
before he was kicked off of YouTube. This is like
twenty nineteen, and I was on some libertarian Dudes podcast
and then right after me, he had Andrew Tait on.
I'd never heard of Andrew Tat, so I was like
looking at his channel and it was like he had
like eighty or ninety thousand or something. This is a
long time ago. And then I noticed by twenty twenty
he was just getting people to clip like crazy and
then that boom it, you know, that all blew up.
So that's kind of what prompted me to think about that.
I wasn't even noticing that Nick was having people clip everywhere.
But obviously the Nick clips are popping off on Twitter,
because if you play a Twitter video and you scroll down,
suddenly you see Nick quent this. I don't know the
secret to cracking the Twitter algorithm because every time I
post clips on Twitter, like, I never get more than
like ten thousand. Sometimes I can get twenty fifty. Every
now and then I have a Twitter thing go to,
like I think I've had a few, got one hundred,
two hundred thousand, but it's it's very difficult to crack
the Twitter clips for some reason. I don't know what
the secret is there, but maybe it's gotta be edgi er.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Counterdogs five dollars. Your name is fae Fire. Also, can
you please do a Bryson Great?
Speaker 1: What that is?
Speaker 6: Daniel mays ten dollars. Clarify what you mean saying Protestantism
is wrong? I mean, well, that's a difficult question. I
have many many live streams critiquing Protestantism. In fact, I
think if you just type in Jaydre protestantsm you'll get
your film. So I don't really have the time right
now before writers meeting before to go through all of
why Protestanism is wrong, but I do remember, for example,
there's a very a popular stream I think that it
now has one hundred thousand views critiquing James White and Protestanism,
so that would be a good place to start. Is
a video I made maybe five years ago and it
still gets consistent views, so check that out. Is it
the wrong deity or actually following God? But you're condemning yourself. Well,
I think that the difference is that the confessional Protestant
beliefs are heterodox, so for us, they don't get you
to that deity. I'm not saying that every individual Protestant
is automatically danned, because we don't know anybody's salve efic destiny,
we don't know their final state, but that the religions
in their professions are not off Christianity. So you might
have many sincere Protestants, and I think God's grace can
reach and meet people where they're at, But the religions
in general the public Protestant and Evangelical confessions we do
not believe are authentic Orthodox churches. Jordaine fifty dollars. I
am in the quay. Could you rise me? What's up? Jordain?
Thank you for that? Bat super jeb by.
Speaker 1: The way he can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 24: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So my thing is.
Speaker 4: You said, like debates are alone are kind of like
in a.
Speaker 1: Lull right now.
Speaker 9: No one wants to really debate any years specifically or
really anyone Orthodoxy he's educated.
Speaker 1: With that being said, right, there's.
Speaker 9: Kind of like a more personal apological lands that's kind
of missing from Orthodoxy that a lot of people take
it and it's.
Speaker 2: Travel like.
Speaker 4: Lo what there like people don't traveling and showing like
the local.
Speaker 9: Orthodox community, Like Orthodoxy isn't this thing that's foreign to America.
That there is Orthodoxy in America and they are American
to Orthodox.
Speaker 2: Right, So would you ever be willing to do like traveling.
Speaker 9: Lectures or traveling things with like a videographer to show like, well,
there's communities here, there's there's there's people here.
Speaker 4: And I think that is like very I.
Speaker 6: Think you're cutting out and no, we can't hear I
appreciate that. I mean, that's the purpose of the conferences
is you know, people traveling, and most Orthodox churches I
know are doubling and tripling. Our church just tripled in size,
literally both the walls and the church. So, uh, if
you are interested, you can go over to UH here
and get tickets to our conference. This is the Athens
Jerusalem Conference here, and I'll put the tickets in the
show description right there in the chat. I forgot to
put this in the description, but it's in the chat there.
I mean, when we travel, I usually focus on our
events and our books. I don't get invited to many
Orthodox churches to speak.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 6: I don't know how feasible it would be to try
to get a videographer or something like that. I think
that the way we're doing it now is probably the
best way to do it. With we do our events,
the focuses on our material. That kind of becomes an
indirect way that people get interested in or hear about Orthodoxy.
But I mean, I'll think about it. We'll see. I
mean you have to understand too, like the world of
Orthodoxy is not perfect. There's a lot of liberals, there's
a lot of crazy people in it. There's a lot
of people that don't like me. They don't like anybody
associate with me, So you're not necessarily going to find
you know, if you're new to this and you go
to some random church, they might tell you that we
don't like that guy. Most of the time, they don't
know anything about me. They just heard some bad thing
and they have no idea what I actually talk about.
So that's why I would be very hesitant to sort
of sort of attach myself to some sort of like
Orthodox church tour. I don't know, h risey ten dollars.
Keep doing what you've been doing. I'm tired of soy
men calling in with weak ass suggestions that appeal to
people that can't grasp what you discuss. Appreciate that great
Scott five dollars. Here's some bro Cord dollars. Great Scott
five dollars. Tsunami was a funny clip too, saw me
exactly Thora's dad. It's crined as is. Have you considered
doing TikTok debates again? No, I don't think I will.
It's just too I mean, the last time I did,
all the Oriental's just reported the stream and had it
pulled down. So like, what's the point, technician ten dollars,
Great job, Jay, appreciate your con John Papa Giannis weeks
five dollars. Christ assume of falling human nature. No, Christ
assumed the pre fallen nature like Adam had. And if
you read John of Damascus on the Orthodox Faith, he
has an entire section where he talks about Christ assuming
pre fall, hence why he doesn't have the effects of
original sin, but he willingly chose to take on what's
called the blameless passions. There's a whole chapter in the
Blue Saint Vladimir's book by Saint Maximus the Confessor on
this question. So Christ does not have the blameful passions
like we do, but he willingly took on the blameless
passions like hunger and thirst, and thus willingly died. Anthony
seventeen five dollars. Thank you for everything you do. I
have you on listening to you all day at work.
I'm curious if you're sensitive to the light. It seems
like it bothers your eyes. This light here is particularly bright,
so it does annoy me. And I have really bad allergies,
so I'm always like wiping my eyes and this, and
so it's a combination of things, Andrews saying, did you
watch Redeem Zoomer's video against papism? No, I'm not. I don't,
like I said, I don't really. I mean, unless you
guys tell me. I'm I'm never gonna see like Redeem
Zoomer does a video, I'm probably not going to see
it unless you guys tell me. Sha la la la
la haushka the osious. How do you deal with people
who think that every time you bring up contentious issues
they feel the need to piety signal. I'm at the
point where I just kind of don't have any patience
for it, so I just move on. Thank you. Theos's
ten dollars. What's up?
Speaker 16: Man?
Speaker 6: All right? Looks like he can't connect Parker. Guys, let's
keep the questions tie and quick. I gotta go pretty soon.
I want to get through everything as quick as we can. There,
what's up man, Parker? Mute Parker mute?
Speaker 1: Yo Yo? What up?
Speaker 2: Ja?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 1: I was calling in to see if you've.
Speaker 20: Heard about the Little season eschatology.
Speaker 1: It's like paradurism.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know I've heard people talking about this,
but I don't really pay attention to stuff that's not
within the world of Orthodoxy when it comes to that stuff.
So I don't know what.
Speaker 1: That was actually my question.
Speaker 25: I was just a lot of people in that community
claim that they're the only people teaching.
Speaker 6: Like, well, there you go, so I would avoid it.
If if so, my my intuition was right to avoid it. Jonathan,
what's up, man? But good? I appreciate your question. I'm
just trying to go quick to get through all this stuff.
What's up man?
Speaker 14: Hey, I was just calling a comment on the gentleman
earlier who was you know, went from pretty cool to
then you know, dumbastard stuff. It's like me and my
wife were just Chris made it this summer and we've
experienced that a lot with friends that we left behind
in you know, past church lives and things where it's
like my wife will share like the most modest little
like hey, you should check out Orthodoxy. It's a beautiful thing,
and then people will just be all over her, and then.
Speaker 1: They'll talk to they'll talk about her.
Speaker 19: They'll say like hey, like, oh, you're in like a
cage stage season of faith, and it's like, dude, you
have done nothing but post against Orthodoxy since we left
your church, Like you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think with a lot of these evangelicals and
goofballs that they're just no self awareness. No, it's not
even a hint of realizing the hypocrisy. So you know,
you gotta just kind of sometimes you got to move
on too, like you can just you know, move move
on from people too, if they're they're excessively annoying. Noom,
what's up? Noom? I'm hey, what's up, Jay? What's on
your mind?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 26: Wondering as an Orthodox inquirer, Uh, if you would recommend
me going to a liturgy first and experiencing that before
I get the Orthodox Study Bible and then you know,
getting into.
Speaker 1: That or should I?
Speaker 6: It won't matter just to both, I mean whether you
get the Study Bible first and read or I mean
I would say go to the liturgy first, but like,
don't base it on I'm gonna read the Orthodox Study
Bible first. Like that's massive, a lot of reading, so
like you might not ever finish it. So now go
to the Ligy first and also read David It's up
Death culture ten dollars. A lot of sp guys from
Adam Green's crowd think that the religion the Old Testament
is Rabbinic Judaism, the Continuity test religion. Orthodox Church refutes
their whole siop theory as Old Testament religion predates Rabbinical theology. Yes,
we've been making videos on that form many years. Good point.
What's that man?
Speaker 2: Hey, jay, I just wanted to ask.
Speaker 25: In your debate with redeem Zoomer, you said the Calvinist
anthropology would lead to Christ being a sinner because he
had our exact nature, but earlier in the stream us
that he actually took on Adam's nature, not fallen nature.
Speaker 1: That kind of.
Speaker 6: No, that's the Orthodox view, not the Calvinist view.
Speaker 25: But if he doesn't have our nature, wouldn't that mean
that rebuttal wouldn't work?
Speaker 1: Per Se?
Speaker 6: He does have our nature, He has our nature prior
to the fall. We have the same nature as Adam.
The nature didn't change to be some other nature after
the fall. It just lost the grace that it had
prior to the fall. The nature is still the same nature.
Speaker 25: And then a final mini question, are blameful passions when
it says to like he avoided corruption through being born
of a virgin? Are blameful passions? Things we inherit at
birth or that develop.
Speaker 6: It's a propensity that we inherit where the passions are
out of whack, such that we have an internal movement
towards temptations. So for example, you know we have dirty thoughts,
we can sent to dirty thoughts. We desire excess food,
we can sent to that desire. Those are internal movements
that tempt us. But for the temptations that came to Christ,
those are external temptations to him because he didn't have
blameful passions, he didn't have a fallen human nature. Yeah,
just read the section in John Damascus where he talks
about this. There's an entire section on it. Coolberg, who
to ten five dollars? Do you have any thoughts on
Jimmy Dore. I mean I met him and hung out
with him, and seems like a cool guy. I've tried
to ask him if you have me on but I
don't know. I was a libtard, gatheist, but he pointed
all the stuff that you talk about, false flags, et cetera. Yeah,
I think he's come a long way. Maybe he's just
not as far where we are, but I mean, all
the clips I hear from him, I agree with glitch
you rhythm, No, we did that. How do five dollars?
I'm sorry if I'm too mid with I can't find it.
You're gonna have to uplate update your book written. It's
it's a video, dude, it's not. It's a video that
says top ten books Anthony's seventeen five dollars. Thank you
for everything you do. Great Scott, I truly never know
of orthodoxy until your debates. Here you go, well, thank you,
appreciate that. I appreciate you, guys. I think I'm gonna
have to go. We got a big meeting for the
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