1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Dot com if you were listening to Utah's Home of 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,200 the l A rams k O v O pro bo 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,839 k U d d H D two one O three 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,240 nine that ninety eight three ESPN the fan. 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: Wow, who is that Jake Chef. I don't know if 6 00:00:14,359 --> 00:00:16,160 you guys remember that one that had. 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 3: Had absolutely Jake Schoff played with my nephew. 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,879 Speaker 4: There you go. Yeah, yeah, so Ben Jake Schoff is 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:27,320 married to Ben's sister. So yeah, So now Jake, I 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,879 forget uh, it's it's tragic, man. 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,799 Speaker 2: So he was just driving on I fifteen and just 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,200 passed out and his car hit like one of the 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,640 cars that takes the other cars and travels across the country. 14 00:00:39,679 --> 00:00:42,119 He flipped, uh and it was a four car accident. 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,399 Luckily no one else has heard. And then he just 16 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:47,560 rolled over his uh because he was in a g 17 00:00:47,719 --> 00:00:52,000 wagon and nothing. He didn't break his neck or anything, 18 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:54,240 and he just passed out and they said he was 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,560 dead before uh, you know, the impact happened and nothing, 20 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,479 and they didn't find anything in the out time. So 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,359 I mean, I guess the peace of mind for the family, 22 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:04,319 but yeah, so I guess it was just his time. 23 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 4: So they're doing that. 24 00:01:05,599 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: He was a big He was a big dude, wasn't he. 25 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,799 Speaker 2: Oh No, Jake was a big dude. I I Jake 26 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:11,840 made me look like a peanut. Honestly that when I 27 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,560 stood next to him. Jake was a seven three and fifteen, big, 28 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:16,239 big pound dude. 29 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,079 Speaker 4: Yeah. 30 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, he played with my nephew, Garrett's cousin, Chris. 31 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,599 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I know who he is. 32 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,719 Speaker 3: I didn't know he passed away. 33 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So okay, well I'm out, Jordan start to rejoin, 34 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:30,560 and then we're just gonna get into it. 35 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: I'm ready kick Kay, thank Ky, go for it. He 36 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:41,079 just tied to check in with question and Garrett. 37 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: Handy of Handy and Handy for sports court. Handy and 38 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:47,799 Handy are your accident and personal injury attorneys ready to 39 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,200 assist with any related questions. 40 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:50,239 Speaker 4: You may have. 41 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Visily them online at handy Law Utah dot com. 42 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,159 Speaker 5: Big Firm Experience, Small firm Attention. 43 00:01:57,319 --> 00:01:59,239 Speaker 2: Had Welcome back to Cooper Sports here, I want it 44 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:03,359 or not three espn Evan Ronald the three man weaver here. 45 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,519 Speaker 4: Filling in for Big Cripple. 46 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,319 Speaker 2: As we keep it going, gonna get into our sports 47 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:07,920 court segment. 48 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 4: That's right, It's time to play judge. 49 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:11,599 Speaker 2: Jerry, what's the verdict on the biggest headline of sports 50 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:12,719 in law today? 51 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 4: It's time for the Sports Court, brought to you by our. 52 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: Good friends at Handy and Handy, Big firm experience, small 53 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,280 firm attention. Each week, we break down the real life 54 00:02:21,319 --> 00:02:25,879 legal drama, intersecting your favorite athletes, teams, and leagues from 55 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:30,319 contract disputes, niloko sideline scandal's courtroom battles. We're diving indeed, 56 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:34,639 with Utah's most trusted injury attorneys, Garrett and Preston Handy. 57 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:35,759 Speaker 4: How we doing today, folks? 58 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: Hey doing well? 59 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:37,879 Speaker 4: How you doing? 60 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: Ron? 61 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:39,199 Speaker 4: Doing good? 62 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys joining me today. I just want to 63 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:46,039 mention this Ben. We'll be back next week. Everybody. You 64 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:49,520 celebrating a family event on Jake Choff's brother in law 65 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,599 passed away a year ago, so he's out of the 66 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:52,879 office today, but he will be back. 67 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 4: He just wanted to express his apologies. 68 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: He hates when he has to miss this with you guys, 69 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,360 but has delegated to me to hold it down. 70 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, give you our best. 71 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's get right into it. Something around the local. 72 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:07,919 This is something that i've the Morning Show deals with. 73 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,680 They're part of the WHACK and UVU. But the WHAC 74 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:12,719 is suing UVU over exit fees. 75 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is interesting. So the WA, the 76 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,319 Western Athletic Conference UVU is. 77 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: Part of it. Now. 78 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,879 Speaker 3: About a year ago they announced that they were going 79 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,400 to bounce to the Big West Conference and leave the WHACK. 80 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,599 So you know, this is a common thing when just 81 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:37,759 with all this conference realignment and schools leaving conferences, they 82 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:40,800 are part of their bylaws and contracts that require an 83 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,800 exit fee. I mean there was a big deal where 84 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,960 Florida State and Clemson tried to leave the ACC and 85 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,759 they were gonna have to pay like one hundred and 86 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,599 forty million something crazy like that. But so we just 87 00:03:52,639 --> 00:03:57,599 got word that the WHAC Conference is suing UVU, claiming 88 00:03:58,039 --> 00:04:04,039 that they claim that UVU has refused to pay the 89 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,759 million dollar exit fee to the WHACK after announcing his 90 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:12,240 plan to move to the Big West Conference. So there 91 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,520 have been no doubt. Before a lawsuit happens, there are 92 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,519 things going on behind the scenes where the parties try 93 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,560 to negotiate and come to a compromise, and they both 94 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,360 put their positions out there and say what's happening, and 95 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,199 the WHACK I'm sure came to UVU and said, hey, 96 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:28,439 you got to pay this exit fee. You're leaving, good 97 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,199 luck to you, but you got to pay a million dollars. 98 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,560 And it was reported that a letter from the president 99 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,160 of UVU said we are not going to pay this fee. 100 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:38,319 And you know, you look at that and think, well, 101 00:04:38,399 --> 00:04:42,120 that can't just be, you know, just an exclusive thing. 102 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,439 I'm sure that it's based on a legal position that 103 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,480 they got that for some reason they don't need to 104 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:51,360 pay that. But the Western Athletic Conference responded and said, no, 105 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:53,319 this is part of our contract. It's part of our 106 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,480 by laws. If someone leaves, you got to do this. 107 00:04:55,959 --> 00:04:59,879 You're bound by this, and you know, lawsuits can drag 108 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:01,120 it out and things like that. 109 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,959 Speaker 4: And the reason you know. 110 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: We're talking about it is because it comes at a 111 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:11,040 time that's really interesting because the WHAC Conference has stated 112 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,480 as part of their losses, they said UVU is not 113 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:18,639 permitted to participate in conference championship events, NCAA championship events, 114 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,879 or appear on conference sponsored television, radio or other media. 115 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:24,839 So basically they're saying, Okay, you haven't paid your exit fee, 116 00:05:25,439 --> 00:05:28,519 and part of our contract is if you don't pay this. 117 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:30,759 You don't get to participate in this stuff. And that's 118 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,800 important because UVU right now is they're type for first 119 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:36,560 in the West Athidic Conference. You know, they have a 120 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,120 good chance to do well in their tournament and potentially 121 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:43,279 get a automatic bid or even in that large bid. 122 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,800 But the WA's taking a hardline position on this and 123 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,600 saying you don't even get a play in this. So 124 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,199 it's going to be interesting to see how this works out. 125 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,920 Number one, I think the UVU has dug its heels 126 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:57,160 in and maybe they didn't think that they were going 127 00:05:57,199 --> 00:05:59,800 to assert this part of the contract and the WAX 128 00:05:59,879 --> 00:06:04,839 is digging their heels in, and so we'll see what happens. 129 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,439 I think you've used doug in on their position, but 130 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:11,959 they might bend to this. There might be negotiations, we 131 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,160 might hear that it's taken care of. But that's why 132 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,920 it's having such a big impact. 133 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot going on with this. Now. 134 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,519 Speaker 2: This is obviously going out of Texas, so it'll be 135 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:26,480 Texas case. I'm curious, pressing, is there a way to 136 00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:29,920 get some type of motion or something for them to 137 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,000 still be able to participate. I don't know how you 138 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,079 can put things on hold and still participate in the 139 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:35,839 NCAA tournament. 140 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,439 Speaker 3: How that will work, Well, the WAX certainly doesn't want that, 141 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:44,120 and the wills of justice moves slowly, so I'm sure 142 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,800 that there will be there will be motions. So what 143 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:48,560 happens is the loss is filed, and you're right, it 144 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,399 was filed in the Federal District Court in Texas because 145 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:54,560 I think that's where the headquarters of the Western Athletic 146 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,199 Conference are. And what will happen is UVU with their lawyers, 147 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,839 will come in and answer what's called the complet the lawsuit, 148 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,319 and they will respond to all the allegations in it, 149 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,879 and they'll take their position and they'll take our hardline position, 150 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:09,040 and then we start a process. It's called discovery, you know. 151 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,720 And so I bet there will be some probably some 152 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:15,160 early motions, maybe even a motion to this myth, basically 153 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:19,319 saying to the judge, hey, this is no good. It 154 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,319 needs to be dismissed. It's it's in, it's you know, 155 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:23,759 it's a doesn't really have any merit. But then what 156 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:27,279 will follow probably will be a motion for a preliminary 157 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:31,040 injunction where they ask the court to say, hey, this 158 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,279 is a dispute. We're at odds on it. We have 159 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:35,680 difference of opinion on it. But while we resolve this, 160 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,480 the Conference should be enjoined from enforcing this part of 161 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,920 the contract because down the road we might prove the 162 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:44,279 contracts no good and we don't need to pay this. 163 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:48,759 But right now, the Conference should be enjoined from you know, 164 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:51,680 restricting us from paying an these things. That's what I 165 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,879 think you'll see and how the judge will ruin. I 166 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,800 don't know, they'll look at it, and you know, preliminary 167 00:07:56,839 --> 00:07:59,279 injunctions have to show that it you know, if not 168 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,240 granted their there's like irreversible stuff that could happen, which 169 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:05,639 would be you'd miss this tournament. So I wait for 170 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,319 that to happen. 171 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:08,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna be waiting as well. 172 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: I was shocked when I saw Pete Damil, you know, 173 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:15,160 the College Football Insider put this out the school literally, 174 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,759 you know, just a few minutes away from BYU, A 175 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,240 local one of that never thought that we would see this, 176 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:22,079 but everything happens in the world. 177 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 4: Of sports core. Let's move on. 178 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,079 Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather Junior Money Mayweather as they call him, Sue's 179 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:32,120 showtime former, you know, executive for a three hundred and 180 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,840 forty million allegend years of fraud. 181 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: That's a lot of money. 182 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 5: He hits a lot of money. Yeah, he's not called 183 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,519 money Mayweather for nothing. I mean I'd forgotten this wrong, 184 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,320 but I mean here in two hundred and fifty million 185 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,759 dollars just that one fight with Manny Pacyao, it's huge money. 186 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:53,600 And so, you know, as these boxers and all athletes do, 187 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,759 they've got agents and promoters and and Mayweather's had this 188 00:08:56,879 --> 00:09:02,759 agent for a long long time. And really the relationships, 189 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,960 the way it's come out in this lawsuit was based 190 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,559 on an oral contract, kind of a handshake that hey, 191 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,200 he's going to take ten percent of his earnings. And 192 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,559 so this relationship has been going on for years, and 193 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,720 he's got this contract with Showtime Network and they're shelling 194 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:23,279 out these payments and it's going to the agent who's 195 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,399 then taking his cut, you know, allegedly, and then giving 196 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,480 the rest of it to Floyd Mayweather. And well, what's 197 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:33,720 what's come out now is that why we've got this 198 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,559 lawsuit again where he's seeking three hundred and forty million dollars. 199 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,200 It's a lawsuit against the network, against Showtime Network because 200 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,919 he's saying there's been a misappropriation of funds, right, and 201 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,519 that this money that went to his agent, really he 202 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,799 never got his fair share of what he was supposed 203 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,919 to get. Because really what's happening is this agent is 204 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:58,159 he's siphoning off some of the money and he's he's 205 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,320 taking his ten percent, but he's taking more in addition 206 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:04,600 to that, and he's claiming, you know, for quote reimbursements 207 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:08,200 you know is taking you know, these are a twenty 208 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,120 million dollars reimbursement on for things. I don't know what 209 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:14,360 that would be for, right, But he's there's so much 210 00:10:14,399 --> 00:10:16,879 money here that he's taking more than his fair share course, 211 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,759 so misappropriating those funds. And so what's curious to me, 212 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,159 as we've talked about this is that this agent's not 213 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,320 part of the lawsuit. This is a lawsuit again Showtime, 214 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,639 and the allegation is basically that hey, you guys, you 215 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,399 guys should have known that something was up, that this 216 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,960 was that this money and the way it was getting 217 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,240 structured and transferred, you should have known that it wasn't 218 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,559 getting to Floyd Mayweather, right, and that you guys have 219 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,919 a responsibility. And once you realize that something shady is 220 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,360 going on. You can't keep participating in this scheme. You've 221 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,519 got a duty to me under this contract. And so 222 00:10:56,759 --> 00:10:59,799 that's the basis for his lawsuit. I think it's so 223 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,879 is a tough claim, right. The person who's actually stolen 224 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:04,639 the money is not even a part of the lawsuit. 225 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,240 But he's just saying, hey, you guys should have kept 226 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,480 a closer eye on my own agent and this agent, 227 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,639 you know, the way he does business, and that this 228 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,200 could be a reason why he's not involved in the 229 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,320 lawsuit is there's not much of a paper trail with him. 230 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,159 He does things kind of old fashioned, right with a handshake. 231 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,240 There's not you know, a lot of electronic files or 232 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,759 documentation or emails. He doesn't do any of that, and 233 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,919 so I maybe it's been hard to kind of piece 234 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,080 together from a you know, forensic accounting standpoint. And that's 235 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,080 why they're going back to showtime and saying, hey, you 236 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,039 guys should have known better and shouldn't have been given 237 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:40,240 him all of the money. 238 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: There's a lot of money, man, that's life change of money. 239 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,000 So you've mentioned a two hundred and fifty thousand that 240 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:50,320 would change a lot millions for society, millions for people. 241 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 4: I do have a follow up, just a quick one. 242 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,399 Speaker 2: How likely is it that a case like this settles 243 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:57,120 out in court versus going to try. Given the high 244 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,559 profile and a large amount. 245 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:03,279 Speaker 5: Of dollar, I think it's very likely that's something like 246 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,720 this settles out of court, you know, I mean, is 247 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:09,799 Floyd Mayweather going to get three hundred and forty million dollars? 248 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:12,440 I mean, I doubt it. I mean, I think there 249 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,399 will be some sort of compromise here, But I mean, 250 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,080 they've got to through this process, and Preston was just 251 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:20,399 describing this this the discovery process. They're going to have 252 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,679 to come up with some really solid evidence to show 253 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,840 that of what they knew, that they knew that there 254 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,600 was this shady scheme going on, and and that might 255 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,279 be hard. It might be hard to come up with 256 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,039 that kind of a smoking gun. But I mean, if 257 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,279 you have some of that, it would give you some 258 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,279 leverage and some negotiations. But one way or another, I 259 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,799 would expect that something like this will we'll settle out 260 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:40,159 of court. 261 00:12:40,879 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: Definitely settle, Yeah, settle. I'm definitely going to see if 262 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,919 this one's settled. Because the best box of all time 263 00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:50,200 is has settled You know, beating everybody. Well, see if 264 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,000 he's able to win it again and beat this case. 265 00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:55,000 We'll see if he's able to win it. Let's get 266 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,759 an update on mil Tucker and he beats a defamation lawsuit. 267 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:02,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, I should have been a boxer on Garrett story. 268 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,480 You know. But this Mel talker situation has been going 269 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,200 on for a number of years. Just a little background. 270 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,600 Mel Tucker as a coach who signed a ten year, 271 00:13:16,039 --> 00:13:18,759 almost one hundred million dollar deal with Michigan State University 272 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:20,919 to be the football coach a few years ago. And 273 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,200 he's had a lot of success and is a really 274 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,320 good coach. Well, as part of his coaching, he brought 275 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:32,279 in a consultant, woman named Brenda Tracy to come talk 276 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,240 to his team. And she is a sex assault advocate 277 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:41,000 and she'd come talk to the team about sexual content, 278 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,919 things that red flags you could get in trouble for 279 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,799 because we know some of these athletes they made poor 280 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,519 decisions or they're targeted or whatever. So she was a consultant. Well, 281 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,600 aside from that, Mel Tucker, you know, they developed a 282 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:01,279 friendly relationship. And this is where it is. Did she 283 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,399 claims that Tucker was pursuing her and that there was 284 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:10,840 some inappropriate, salacious things going on in texting and over 285 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,639 the telephone and things, and she maintained she just wanted 286 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:17,200 to keep a professional relationship just as friends. Well, it 287 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,799 came out that, you know, she made these allegations, and 288 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,679 just like that, Michigan State fired him. They said they 289 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:27,559 fired him for cause. We'll get to that in a minute. 290 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:32,240 But then she sued mel Tucker on her own and 291 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:36,600 she claimed a number of things. She claimed. Her main 292 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:39,120 thing was she said that Tucker intentionally tried to ruin 293 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:42,519 her public image and reputation with false statements when he 294 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:45,039 came out, including his claims, and she made up these 295 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:48,480 allegations just to extort him for money. She claimed a 296 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:50,960 breach of contract for the contract she had to do 297 00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:55,559 things tortures, interference, and she claimed sexual harassment. So this 298 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,000 has been going on for a number of years, and 299 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,559 we just got worried that Big mel Tucker got himself 300 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:05,679 a victory. The judge has dismissed her claims against him, 301 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:11,440 claiming that the judge's reasoning was that said that it 302 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:16,360 violated or did not meet the statumentations means she didn't 303 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,840 file on time and that the facts were there if 304 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:21,960 they went ahead in the trials, she would not prevail. 305 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:24,600 That's what has been reported. I haven't read the opinion. 306 00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:27,919 But so there are other lawsuits going on in this 307 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:31,120 Mele's getting out of these and we'll see if there's appeals. 308 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,480 But Mel has his lawsuit going against Michigan State. They 309 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:38,440 fired him for cause he said, no, I didn't violate 310 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,159 the contract because you know all along about my relationship 311 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:44,320 with her, and you know it was up front, he 312 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,600 disclosed it. She has a lawsuit going against Michigan State 313 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:50,120 saying that they didn't protect her and they knew that 314 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:53,759 things were going on. So Mel's getting a victory on 315 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,639 his personal side of things, and so we'll see what happens. 316 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes you you take a loss somewhere else and you 317 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:06,960 get a w you know. And mL Sark was able 318 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,200 to beat this one. He's been in the headlines before, 319 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,000 no doubt, no doubt about it. Let's continue on FATS 320 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,919 push discrimination claims against Nike. What's going on with this one? 321 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, this is a this is a claim by 322 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,519 the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, the e e o C 323 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:31,240 against Nike. Honestly, it took to me it comes a 324 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:34,519 little out of left field. But this is a push 325 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:39,320 by the eeo C to say that that Nike's DEI 326 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:47,960 related hiring practices are discriminatory, and essentially they're arguing that 327 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,639 this is reverse racism against white employees who are applying 328 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,559 for jobs at Nike. This doesn't come from any complaint 329 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,080 from somebody who was trying to get a job at Nike. 330 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,879 This is just the e on their own and they're 331 00:17:01,919 --> 00:17:05,519 getting their marching orders, I guess to make this complaint. 332 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,599 And so what's happened and why it's hitting the news 333 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:12,319 now is the EEOC, and in these employment cases, they 334 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,599 kind of you know, have their own little process. But 335 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,799 they issued a subpoena to Nike and they were trying 336 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:21,839 to get information and back and forth about this complaint 337 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:27,480 that they've filed against them, and apparently from the eeoc's perspective, 338 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:29,880 they weren't getting compliance, and so they went ahead and 339 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,720 filed the motion in federal court to help to enforce 340 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:38,079 this right and so now it becomes public. Nike their 341 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,960 response has been, well, wait a minute, you know, we're 342 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,119 being blindsided by this. We've been complying in good faith. 343 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,200 We've been providing you as information where what's this about 344 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,680 so again, I mean, it's it's kind of interesting. This 345 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,200 is not the type of claim we typically in the past, 346 00:17:54,599 --> 00:17:57,319 you know, for decades and decades have seen from the EEOC. 347 00:17:58,279 --> 00:17:59,839 This is a new kind of a claim of a 348 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,160 verse racism claim. So I don't know, we'll see, we'll 349 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,119 see where this thing goes. 350 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is interesting. 351 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: My follow up question is how does the concept I 352 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,599 guess of reverse discrimination work legally? And sorry if that 353 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,200 means I'm you know, not educated enough, I'm. 354 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:18,559 Speaker 5: Curious, Well, exactly, I think I think one of the 355 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:23,559 what the EEOC is is pointing to in twenty twenty one, 356 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,599 for example, Nike, they you know, this is internal stuff, 357 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:29,720 but they presented a five year plan for having a 358 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:33,319 more diverse workforce and they had a target of a 359 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,880 thirty five percent representation of racial minorities in the company. 360 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,400 And so the e EEOC is taking exception with this, 361 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:44,640 and they're saying, hey, you shouldn't have these kind of quotas, right, 362 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:49,160 you know, regarding racial minorities working for your company. Again, 363 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,680 that's something typically in all kinds of areas in you know, 364 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:59,160 in our multicultural, pluralistic society, you know, whether it's in education, 365 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:02,039 or in corporate business that has you know, been the 366 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,759 idea is to promote diversity, and this is taking a 367 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:08,960 swing at it from the other way to push back 368 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,200 against that. We've seen it in higher education right with 369 00:19:12,279 --> 00:19:14,319 affirmative action of this sort of things. And so that's 370 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:15,559 that's kind of what this is about. 371 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,319 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see if it's a swing and a swing 372 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:21,400 and a miss or yeah, or what. 373 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 4: Will happen in the future with this. Let's finish up 374 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:24,200 with this. 375 00:19:24,319 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: Going back to some local news, Utah bill would allow 376 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:33,279 concealed firearm permits holders to bring guns to jazz mammoth games. 377 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:35,759 Speaker 4: I'm intrigued by this one. Please give me the update 378 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:36,079 on this. 379 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're this is the legislative part of Sports Court. 380 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,599 It was reported yesterday that Representative Candice Perucci of Harriman, 381 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,440 she is putting forth a bill that said it would 382 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,759 require any private entity, business, or venue that has received 383 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:58,400 more than one million dollars in public funding to allow 384 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,200 concealed fire arms permit holders to bring their guns to events. 385 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:07,039 She comes out and says, hey, we're a Second Amendment state. 386 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,720 We really have a robust concealed carry permit. We think 387 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:14,839 we ought to get into this discussion where things are 388 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:20,119 happening to prohibit people's Second Amendment rights. So where the 389 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,640 Delta Center and Jazz and the Mammoth fall into this 390 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:29,160 is part of the bill is that the legislature they 391 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,359 fall under this area that where they they have received 392 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:39,559 public subsidies, they've received subsidies from the legislature. It shows 393 00:20:39,559 --> 00:20:41,960 that nearly a billion dollars in subsidies to Salt Lake 394 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,119 City's Sports and Entertainment District, which is where the Delta 395 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,200 Center is, So they fall in there. So why is 396 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,039 this tricky? Well because up to now, you know, you 397 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:54,240 couldn't do that. You've got metal detectors, all kinds of 398 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,160 things like that, and the NBA and then AHL part 399 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,279 of their policy is people can bring weapons, any kind 400 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:06,200 of weapon, including a firearm to the games. So you're 401 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,119 getting into this mess here and what happens in this 402 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:13,359 you know. And so this bill has just been put forth. 403 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:16,319 I think it's an interesting bill. I think I don't 404 00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:17,720 think a lot of people are going to want to 405 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:20,359 jump on board with this. I don't think a lot 406 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,519 of people are going to want to go to public 407 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:27,559 venues knowing that people might be carrying firearms. You know, 408 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,720 they like the security of going to this or there's 409 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,319 big events simply because we've seen terrible things over the 410 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,279 years more than we want to talk about at public 411 00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:38,799 events where they're shootings and that type of thing. So, 412 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,680 you know, any level of security I think people I 413 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,240 am anyway in favor of and not taking a Second 414 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:49,400 Amendment stance on this, but I just think in certain 415 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,160 situations you absolutely should have security. So my bet is 416 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,119 this will not pass. But it's being put out there. 417 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:02,000 She claims she's responding to her what her constituents want. 418 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 4: This is definitely interesting. I never thought this. 419 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,279 Speaker 2: I'm with you growing up going to bulls games and 420 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,480 even now going to jazz games. I have a little 421 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,839 one definitely feel protected with the security and gonna go 422 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,480 that nothing against the Amendments at all, but yeah, we'll 423 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:20,160 see what happens with this one. I know there are 424 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,000 a lot of people that probably have a lot of 425 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:25,279 opinions about this, and we'll let them have that. 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