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<v Speaker 1>What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna jump right back into the headlines from overnight

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<v Speaker 1>and see where things currently stand as of this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and once again to do that, we'll be using the

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<v Speaker 1>Independent headline Idaho murders brighton awkward suspect Brian Coohberger eager

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<v Speaker 1>to be exonerated. Lawyer says. This article was authored by

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea Blanco and Rachel Sharp and in the episode earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this morning talking about the exoneration, we heard from Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Cohberger's lawyer and how he says that mister Coberger feels

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<v Speaker 1>like he's going to be exonerated here and he can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to get back to Idaho to begin that process.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure sounds to me that this is a man who

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<v Speaker 1>plans on playing some games. We know that he is

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<v Speaker 1>a criminology student, a PhD, so certainly someone who is

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<v Speaker 1>well versed in how these trials go. And honestly, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't shake the Ted Bundy vibe from this dude. The

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<v Speaker 1>same kind of psyche it would seem like to me

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<v Speaker 1>another college educated guy. You know, Ted Bundy was in

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<v Speaker 1>the legal world as well, paralegal, going to school to

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<v Speaker 1>be a lawyer, and then you look at Coburger over here,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of similarities, at least in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not with the murders or the scope of the

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<v Speaker 1>murders that were committed by Bundy, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>similarities here. And I'm very, very interested to hear what

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<v Speaker 1>this dude has to say when the interrogators get to

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<v Speaker 1>him and start talking to him, because I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to take credit for it eventually and want

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of notoriety that these kinds of killers seem

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<v Speaker 1>too lust after. Now. I don't know if Coburger is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be one of those kinds of guys, but

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen it plenty of times, and as far as

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<v Speaker 1>this being the first time he's ever killed, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time believing that, folks. Obviously, I have nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to base that on. That's purely speculation on my part.

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<v Speaker 1>But to walk into a house and murder four people

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<v Speaker 1>like this being your first time committing murder, that has

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<v Speaker 1>to be a pretty rare occurrence, because you would think

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<v Speaker 1>that you'd have to be comfortable with the fact of

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<v Speaker 1>murdering somebody before you work your way up to murdering

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<v Speaker 1>four people. In such a grizzly and gruesome manner. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>is it impossible that this was the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>this dude ever killed. Of course it's not. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have a funny feeling that as this goes on and

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<v Speaker 1>we hear more, we might get some other stories here

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<v Speaker 1>about this dude being involved in some kind of other murder,

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<v Speaker 1>because people like this who kill four people don't just

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<v Speaker 1>usually start overnight. It's a progression, right. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these sick bastards start by hurting animals and then that

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<v Speaker 1>becomes hurting people, and then you have the results that

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<v Speaker 1>we see in Moscow. Now, again that's just speculation. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if this dude hurt anyone previously, or if

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<v Speaker 1>he had a propensity to hurt animals. We're just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about basic profiles that most of these scumbags fit into.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll have to see when we get more information

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<v Speaker 1>from the investigators about this guy's background, about who he is,

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<v Speaker 1>about what he was up to, because you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>scouring into his past right now, going through everything with

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<v Speaker 1>a fine tooth comb, all of his movements, where he

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<v Speaker 1>was at, trying to build a gigantic timeline of this

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<v Speaker 1>dude's life and his behavior, and if they're doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows what else they're going to find in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark recesses of this man's life. So all of that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be really interesting as this moves on and

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<v Speaker 1>we get more information about what this dude was up

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<v Speaker 1>to and who he was before we heard about him

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<v Speaker 1>in this capacity. How police finally made an arrest in

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<v Speaker 1>the Idaho murders. For nearly seven weeks, police gave little

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<v Speaker 1>information on what they knew about the murders of Ethan Shapin,

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<v Speaker 1>Madison Mogan, Xanikernodle, and Kaylee Gonsalvez, writes low Dodds. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty eight year old criminology graduate student named Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Coberger has been arrested in Pennsylvania in connection with

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<v Speaker 1>the case, offering the hope of major progress in a

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<v Speaker 1>case that some observers feared was going cold. And I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought that this was cold. We talked about that

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<v Speaker 1>there was way too many tips coming in, still way

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<v Speaker 1>too much information, just way too much in general to

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<v Speaker 1>even think about this being a cold case. Yet, however,

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<v Speaker 1>it was getting concerning that nobody was in the crosshairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually when you have this kind of national attention, this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of national spotlight. There's somebody who is behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes who is a suspect, and it looks like that

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<v Speaker 1>was the case here, but they were able to keep

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<v Speaker 1>it close to the vest and not let the public

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<v Speaker 1>know that they were onto somebody. Remember, they tracked this

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<v Speaker 1>dude all the way across country, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do another episode later on where we're talking about that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit and a little bit more into the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation as to how they tracked him down. Pretty interesting stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with some of the leaks coming out from people

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<v Speaker 1>close to the investigation about how Coburger was driving around,

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<v Speaker 1>going to stores with gloves on and trying to hide

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<v Speaker 1>his tracks. So this is a guy who certainly was

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<v Speaker 1>taking all of the steps at least he thought to

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<v Speaker 1>not get caught. But with all of the tips coming in,

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<v Speaker 1>with all of the heavy tips coming in, it was

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<v Speaker 1>only a matter of time. And remember what we said

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<v Speaker 1>in the very beginning, Inevitably it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>tip from the public that leads to pay dirt. It

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<v Speaker 1>always is. There's somebody out there who knows them. They

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<v Speaker 1>saw the car. They called it a tip on the car.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever it is, it's going to be a tip from

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<v Speaker 1>the people in the community that leads to pay dirt,

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<v Speaker 1>and more times than not in these sorts of cases,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the end result. Idaho murder suspect carried out

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<v Speaker 1>study asking criminals how they chose victims. And we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this yesterday before anyone was really talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had stumbled on that Reddit post and it

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<v Speaker 1>blew me away. Honestly, when you look at it in

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<v Speaker 1>hindsight and you know what this dude is capable of,

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<v Speaker 1>and to see that kind of survey and to see

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<v Speaker 1>what he was involved in, it's pretty chilling stuff. A

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<v Speaker 1>man arrested in connection with the murder of four university

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<v Speaker 1>students in Idaho conducted a study asking criminals how they

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<v Speaker 1>selected their targets and how they felt as they committed

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<v Speaker 1>the crimes. As police records revealed that criminology student Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Koberger had been arrested in Scranton, Pennsylvania, in connection with

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<v Speaker 1>the November stabbing deaths of the students, it emerged just

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<v Speaker 1>six months ago he had sought input from former criminals

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<v Speaker 1>to understand their decision making process. So this is a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who took the coursework a bit too serious, right,

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<v Speaker 1>This is a man who, for whatever reason, had these

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<v Speaker 1>urgentes to murder, had these urgentes to kill, and he

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<v Speaker 1>truly thought that his background, his academic background, was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be enough for him to get away with this. He

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<v Speaker 1>thought he was committing the perfect murders. I am convinced

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<v Speaker 1>of that at this point. And what better cover for

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<v Speaker 1>asking questions like this than being a criminology student. You

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<v Speaker 1>can go under the guise of, hey, look, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a school project, what do you mean? And this is

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<v Speaker 1>somebody again who is going to play games with the prosecutors.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt about it. He's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be compliant. He's not going to give them what they need.

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<v Speaker 1>And you already have posts from people like his sister

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<v Speaker 1>coming out talking about how innocent he is and this

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<v Speaker 1>that the other thing, how they just wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>an arrest because they were being pressured. And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate defense from the accused because there's nothing else to

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<v Speaker 1>really go on. If they have all of the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that they say they have, this guy is cooked. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to try and come out and say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a West Memphis type of deal where they

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<v Speaker 1>just made an arrest because the small town police department

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<v Speaker 1>was being pressed. And I don't believe that for a

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<v Speaker 1>second when you hear about all of the evidence that's

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<v Speaker 1>coming out against this dude, at least behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>that we're hearing about. If they have all of that

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<v Speaker 1>evidence when they present it when he's brought back to Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>my man is cooked. Idaho police appear to rule out

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<v Speaker 1>other suspects in college killings. Idaho police have ruled out

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<v Speaker 1>any other suspect in the killings of four university students

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<v Speaker 1>as they address the arrest of suspect Brian Kohberger for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time. Authorities captured the twenty eight year old

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<v Speaker 1>PhD student at a property in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania, in the

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<v Speaker 1>early morning hours of Friday, and he now faces extradition

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<v Speaker 1>to Idaho to face four murder charges. We have an

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<v Speaker 1>individual in custody who committed these horrible crimes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe our community is safe, but we still need

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<v Speaker 1>to be vigilant, said Moscow Police Chief James Fry. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of talk when this was all

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<v Speaker 1>going down if there was more than one perpetrator here,

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<v Speaker 1>and we weren't sure, so I continued to say suspect

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<v Speaker 1>or suspects until we had official word from the investigators.

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<v Speaker 1>There was just too much on the table for us

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<v Speaker 1>to make that leap. And whenever you have four people

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<v Speaker 1>murdered like this, it wouldn't be too much of a

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<v Speaker 1>lap right to think multiple assailants might have been involved.

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<v Speaker 1>But it turns out, at least according to Chief Fry

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<v Speaker 1>and the investigators, that they say that Brian Koberger did

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<v Speaker 1>this all on his own. The Idaho murder victims' parents

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<v Speaker 1>deserve space to grieve. Everybody loves an unsolved murder mystery,

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<v Speaker 1>except one that is real life, Andrew Buncombe writes for

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<v Speaker 1>The Independent. And plenty of people love pondering over clues

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<v Speaker 1>and conspiracies and potential theories for such a mystery, but

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<v Speaker 1>not when four young people have been murdered in their

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<v Speaker 1>beds and the police appear to be making no progress

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<v Speaker 1>for more than six weeks. The plight of four young students,

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylee Gonsabis, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin has

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<v Speaker 1>gripped the imagination of a large chunk of America. But

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<v Speaker 1>the reality is the parents of the victims will carry

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<v Speaker 1>their loss for life, even after the media and web

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<v Speaker 1>slutes fascination wears off. And I can tell you for

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<v Speaker 1>a fact that this is the case when you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Jeffrey Epstein survivors. They're going to carry those

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<v Speaker 1>scars forever. That's never gonna go away. And you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see the same thing with the parents here. That stuff's

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<v Speaker 1>never gonna go away. So while the rest of us

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<v Speaker 1>get to tune out, or you get to put it

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of our minds and move on to

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<v Speaker 1>the next travesty, in the next disaster, these people are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to deal with it, meaning the family and

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<v Speaker 1>the friends of these murdered students for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>their lives, and they most certainly should be given the

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<v Speaker 1>space to grieve. Let us hope that all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>the media and the public, try to bear in mind

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<v Speaker 1>the ongoing agonies the families will endure and grant them

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<v Speaker 1>the space and privacy to deal with that. Andrew writes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's a good idea. These families are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely going through it. We know they're going through it.

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard from some of them, and now especially there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a huge emotional dump. The holidays have

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<v Speaker 1>come and gone, there's a suspect and custody, and now

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<v Speaker 1>the grieving is truly going to start for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these family members and friends. So I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>the media, the legacy media especially, backs off a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit and gives them that space. Now that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>not to report on the story, but don't press the parents,

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<v Speaker 1>don't press the family members, the siblings or whatever. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>press them for interviews. Let them work through it, and

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<v Speaker 1>whirldwin of emotions going through the holidays, not having any answers,

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<v Speaker 1>that finally as suspect is in custody. I can't even

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<v Speaker 1>begin the range of emotions that these family members are

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<v Speaker 1>going through right now. So hopefully they're given the space

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<v Speaker 1>to put the pieces back together. All right, folks, that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it for this morning's update. If you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapucci

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<v Speaker 1>description box. Hello,